g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2011\2011-April.txt.txt ************************************************************************ From fsbaker77 at att.net Fri Apr 1 22:12:23 2011 From: fsbaker77 at att.net (Frank Baker) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 16:12:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem Message-ID: <00dd01cbf0a9$1e9dd2f0$5bd978d0$@net> Hi All, I have a CR-7A which starts to slow down after 2 or 3 minutes of playback. If I stop and restart it works OK for about a minute then slows down again. I just replaced both belts, but that didn't help at all. I just rejoined the list after about 2 years off, so if this has been recently discussed or handled, I apologize. Any ideas would be appreciated. Frank -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Sat Apr 2 14:28:01 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 05:28:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem In-Reply-To: <00dd01cbf0a9$1e9dd2f0$5bd978d0$@net> References: <00dd01cbf0a9$1e9dd2f0$5bd978d0$@net> Message-ID: <550573.72584.qm@web130110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If you let it play, does it slow to a crawl and eventually stop, or does it continue at a reduced speed? Can you hear increased wow? Does it happen with all cassettes? -- Ron ________________________________ From: Frank Baker To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 4:12:23 PM Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem Hi All, I have a CR-7A which starts to slow down after 2 or 3 minutes of playback. If I stop and restart it works OK for about a minute then slows down again. I just replaced both belts, but that didn’t help at all. I just rejoined the list after about 2 years off, so if this has been recently discussed or handled, I apologize. 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URL: From jmlevitz at yahoo.com Sat Apr 2 13:52:53 2011 From: jmlevitz at yahoo.com (jayson levitz) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 04:52:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem In-Reply-To: <00dd01cbf0a9$1e9dd2f0$5bd978d0$@net> References: <00dd01cbf0a9$1e9dd2f0$5bd978d0$@net> Message-ID: <175666.72883.qm@web161909.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Frank, does your CR-7A have the rubber tire or the gear drive?  If you have the rubber tire, that could be your problem - the tire is worn or dried out and must be replaced. Jayson ________________________________ From: Frank Baker To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 4:12:23 PM Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem Hi All,   I have a CR-7A which starts to slow down after 2 or 3 minutes of playback.  If I stop and restart it works OK for about a minute then slows down again.  I just replaced both belts, but that didn’t help at all.  I just rejoined the list after about 2 years off, so if this has been recently discussed or handled, I apologize.  Any ideas would be appreciated.    Frank -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Sat Apr 2 21:00:01 2011 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 15:00:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] cr-7A or ZX-7 In-Reply-To: <738649.16269.qm@web31508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <738649.16269.qm@web31508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Cant go wrong with any of those. Very different though, but both on the top 5 I would say. Sent from iPad. Please excuse typos. El 02/04/2011, a las 07:26, rich escribió: > > > I know this is subjective but if you had a chance to get a xz-7 or a cr-7a, what are the pros and cons. i have read alot about both online and the cr-7a seems to come out on top, but both seem close. Thanks...Rich > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark8559 at hotmail.com Sat Apr 2 21:31:24 2011 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 13:31:24 -0600 Subject: FW: [naktalk] cr-7A or ZX-7 In-Reply-To: <738649.16269.qm@web31508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <738649.16269.qm@web31508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Do you own 300, 500, or 800 cassette tapes and just want to play them? Or are you getting into some serious recording? As an owner of 1,000+ cassettes, I like the ZX-7. If you plan on recording some 300+ cassettes, then the ZX-7 is preferred since it hs the record head azimuth which will also allow your recordings to sound better on other cassette decks. A friend brought over his serviced CR-7A months back. We did an A/B comparison test to my two serviced ZX-7's and there was no or little difference in playback sound. Later my friend sold the CR-7A on Ebay for $910 (shipping included, no remote, no original box). Hefty price tag! If you have money to blow - get the CR-7A. Many nice ZX-7's on Ebay sell for around $450+. The ZX-9 is rare and has a hefty price tag. Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 04:26:40 -0700 From: hockeyeast at yahoo.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] cr-7A or ZX-7 I know this is subjective but if you had a chance to get a xz-7 or a cr-7a, what are the pros and cons. i have read alot about both online and the cr-7a seems to come out on top, but both seem close. Thanks...Rich ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: ATT00001 URL: From luis at peromarta.org Sat Apr 2 21:41:24 2011 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 15:41:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem In-Reply-To: <175666.72883.qm@web161909.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <00dd01cbf0a9$1e9dd2f0$5bd978d0$@net> <175666.72883.qm@web161909.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <910E550A-C8EB-4987-BB9B-4F26EAD7ED8A@peromarta.org> A slowing down machine has a problem with the motor itself or driver, not the tyre. It may need changing too, but it's not the main problem here. Sent from iPad. Please excuse typos. El 02/04/2011, a las 07:52, jayson levitz escribió: > Frank, does your CR-7A have the rubber tire or the gear drive? If you have the rubber tire, that could be your problem - the tire is worn or dried out and must be replaced. > > Jayson > > From: Frank Baker > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 4:12:23 PM > Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem > > Hi All, > > I have a CR-7A which starts to slow down after 2 or 3 minutes of playback. If I stop and restart it works OK for about a minute then slows down again. I just replaced both belts, but that didn’t help at all. I just rejoined the list after about 2 years off, so if this has been recently discussed or handled, I apologize. Any ideas would be appreciated. > > Frank > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 2 22:14:34 2011 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 13:14:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] cr-7A or ZX-7 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <366680.96759.qm@web112707.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Agree Luis 100%. Rich, therefore, get both!:) Ram. --- On Sat, 4/2/11, Luis Peromarta Regert wrote: From: Luis Peromarta Regert Subject: Re: [naktalk] cr-7A or ZX-7 To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Cc: "naktalk at naks.com" Date: Saturday, April 2, 2011, 3:00 PM Cant go wrong with any of those. Very different though, but both on the top 5 I would say. Sent from iPad. Please excuse typos. El 02/04/2011, a las 07:26, rich escribió: I know this is subjective but if you had a chance to get a xz-7 or a cr-7a, what are the pros and cons. i have read alot about both online and the cr-7a seems to come out on top, but both seem close. Thanks...Rich========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Sat Apr 2 23:33:31 2011 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 14:33:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] cr-7A or ZX-7 In-Reply-To: References: <738649.16269.qm@web31508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <75170.80177.qm@web80202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If you record all the tapes on your ZX-7 and plays back all the tapes on the same ZX-7 then there will not have any problem with your playback head azimuth on those tapes. However if all these tapes are going to be played back on other decks you can run into potential problems with playback head azimuth issues unless the playback decks are Nak DRAGON, CR-7A, CD-1 and DR-1; one model in MARANTZ and the TANDBERG TCD-911. This means that the tapes that you recorded on your ZX-7 might not necessary sound as good on other decks (other than those I mention above ) when playback compared when playback on the same ZX-7. ZX-9, 660/670/680, 700/1000 as well as 700/1000ZXL also have record-head azimuth adjustment. At the same time both ZX-7 and CR-7A are great decks but I have a slight preference on the CR-7A even though I like the transport system of the ZX-7 more than the CR-7A. Happy Listening, Mike ________________________________ From: Mark Exstedt To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sat, April 2, 2011 2:31:24 PM Subject: FW: [naktalk] cr-7A or ZX-7 Do you own 300, 500, or 800 cassette tapes and just want to play them? Or are you getting into some serious recording? As an owner of 1,000+ cassettes, I like the ZX-7. If you plan on recording some 300+ cassettes, then the ZX-7 is preferred since it hs the record head azimuth which will also allow your recordings to sound better on other cassette decks. A friend brought over his serviced CR-7A months back. We did an A/B comparison test to my two serviced ZX-7's and there was no or little difference in playback sound. Later my friend sold the CR-7A on Ebay for $910 (shipping included, no remote, no original box). Hefty price tag! If you have money to blow - get the CR-7A. Many nice ZX-7's on Ebay sell for around $450+. The ZX-9 is rare and has a hefty price tag.   ________________________________ Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 04:26:40 -0700 From: hockeyeast at yahoo.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] cr-7A or ZX-7 I know this is subjective but if you had a chance to get a xz-7 or a cr-7a, what are the pros and cons. i have read alot about both online and the cr-7a seems to come out on top, but both seem close. Thanks...Rich ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fsbaker77 at att.net Sat Apr 2 20:43:58 2011 From: fsbaker77 at att.net (Frank Baker) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 14:43:58 -0400 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem In-Reply-To: <550573.72584.qm@web130110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <00dd01cbf0a9$1e9dd2f0$5bd978d0$@net> <550573.72584.qm@web130110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00bb01cbf165$ee90d090$cbb271b0$@net> The unit already has the gear mod. It slows to a crawl and eventually stops. I don’t hear increased wow, just slowing down. It happens with every cassette I’ve tried so far – about 5 – varying from bulk tapes to Maxell Metal Capsule 50 minute tapes. Frank From: Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 8:28 AM To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem If you let it play, does it slow to a crawl and eventually stop, or does it continue at a reduced speed? Can you hear increased wow? Does it happen with all cassettes? -- Ron _____ From: Frank Baker To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 4:12:23 PM Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem Hi All, I have a CR-7A which starts to slow down after 2 or 3 minutes of playback. If I stop and restart it works OK for about a minute then slows down again. I just replaced both belts, but that didn’t help at all. I just rejoined the list after about 2 years off, so if this has been recently discussed or handled, I apologize. Any ideas would be appreciated. Frank -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobschneider8 at comcast.net Sat Apr 2 22:21:26 2011 From: bobschneider8 at comcast.net (Robert Schneider) Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 15:21:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] cr-7A or ZX-7 In-Reply-To: <738649.16269.qm@web31508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <738649.16269.qm@web31508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4D978546.9050304@comcast.net> I have them both, although the CR-7a is restored and the ZX-7 is original, but works fine. Both are top notch, but sound a bit different. I've heard the sonic differences described as the CR-7a sounding more like CD, the ZX-7 more like LP. While both decks have lots of features, there are a few differences. If you listen to a lot of tapes which were recorded on other decks, the user adjustable playback azimuth on the CR-7 might make that the better deck for you. The CR-7 also came with a remote (although it's often been lost on decks for sale today, and original replacements go for big bucks when they turn up on eBay), but you can add an aftermarket remote to the ZX-7. The ZX-7 gives you more manual control over recording adjustments (bias, etc), although I've found the auto recording adjustments on the CR-7 work very well. These are two of the best decks Nak made, each top of the line when they came out. My choice was to get one of each! On 4/2/11 6:26 AM, rich wrote: > > > I know this is subjective but if you had a chance to get a xz-7 or a > cr-7a, what are the pros and cons. i have read alot about both online > and the cr-7a seems to come out on top, but both seem close. > Thanks...Rich > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From luis at peromarta.org Sun Apr 3 00:48:26 2011 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 18:48:26 -0400 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem In-Reply-To: <00bb01cbf165$ee90d090$cbb271b0$@net> References: <00dd01cbf0a9$1e9dd2f0$5bd978d0$@net> <550573.72584.qm@web130110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00bb01cbf165$ee90d090$cbb271b0$@net> Message-ID: I Would suggest dd driver. Look for possible bad soldering. Also hi temperature on transistor drivers. Sent from iPad. Please excuse typos. El 02/04/2011, a las 14:43, "Frank Baker" escribió: > The unit already has the gear mod. It slows to a crawl and eventually stops. I don’t hear increased wow, just slowing down. It happens with every cassette I’ve tried so far – about 5 – varying from bulk tapes to Maxell Metal Capsule 50 minute tapes. > > > > Frank > > > > From: Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] > Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 8:28 AM > To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem > > > > > If you let it play, does it slow to a crawl and eventually > stop, or does it continue at a reduced speed? Can you > hear increased wow? > > Does it happen with all cassettes? > > -- Ron > > > From: Frank Baker > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 4:12:23 PM > Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem > > Hi All, > > > > I have a CR-7A which starts to slow down after 2 or 3 minutes of playback. If I stop and restart it works OK for about a minute then slows down again. I just replaced both belts, but that didn’t help at all. I just rejoined the list after about 2 years off, so if this has been recently discussed or handled, I apologize. Any ideas would be appreciated. > > > > Frank > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Sun Apr 3 01:45:20 2011 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 19:45:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] cr-7A or ZX-7 In-Reply-To: <4D978546.9050304@comcast.net> References: <738649.16269.qm@web31508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4D978546.9050304@comcast.net> Message-ID: Yes i think that hit the spot. Lots of recording? Zx7. Lots of listening? Cr7. Sent from iPad. Please excuse typos. El 02/04/2011, a las 16:21, Robert Schneider escribió: > I have them both, although the CR-7a is restored and the ZX-7 is original, but works fine. Both are top notch, but sound a bit different. I've heard the sonic differences described as the CR-7a sounding more like CD, the ZX-7 more like LP. > > While both decks have lots of features, there are a few differences. If you listen to a lot of tapes which were recorded on other decks, the user adjustable playback azimuth on the CR-7 might make that the better deck for you. The CR-7 also came with a remote (although it's often been lost on decks for sale today, and original replacements go for big bucks when they turn up on eBay), but you can add an aftermarket remote to the ZX-7. The ZX-7 gives you more manual control over recording adjustments (bias, etc), although I've found the auto recording adjustments on the CR-7 work very well. > > These are two of the best decks Nak made, each top of the line when they came out. My choice was to get one of each! > > > On 4/2/11 6:26 AM, rich wrote: >> >> >> I know this is subjective but if you had a chance to get a xz-7 or a cr-7a, what are the pros and cons. i have read alot about both online and the cr-7a seems to come out on top, but both seem close. Thanks...Rich >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Sun Apr 3 04:58:32 2011 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 20:58:32 -0600 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem In-Reply-To: <00bb01cbf165$ee90d090$cbb271b0$@net> References: <00dd01cbf0a9$1e9dd2f0$5bd978d0$@net> <550573.72584.qm@web130110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00bb01cbf165$ee90d090$cbb271b0$@net> Message-ID: <005e01cbf1ab$04d4d5f0$0e7e81d0$@math.utah.edu> Sounds like you are in need of new capstan belt. Vic From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Frank Baker Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 12:44 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem The unit already has the gear mod. It slows to a crawl and eventually stops. I don’t hear increased wow, just slowing down. It happens with every cassette I’ve tried so far – about 5 – varying from bulk tapes to Maxell Metal Capsule 50 minute tapes. Frank From: Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 8:28 AM To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem If you let it play, does it slow to a crawl and eventually stop, or does it continue at a reduced speed? Can you hear increased wow? Does it happen with all cassettes? -- Ron _____ From: Frank Baker To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 4:12:23 PM Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem Hi All, I have a CR-7A which starts to slow down after 2 or 3 minutes of playback. If I stop and restart it works OK for about a minute then slows down again. I just replaced both belts, but that didn’t help at all. I just rejoined the list after about 2 years off, so if this has been recently discussed or handled, I apologize. Any ideas would be appreciated. Frank -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yregelman at gmail.com Sun Apr 3 02:36:24 2011 From: yregelman at gmail.com (Yuri Regelman) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 17:36:24 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] cr-7A or ZX-7 In-Reply-To: <738649.16269.qm@web31508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <738649.16269.qm@web31508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Rich, I'd go for cr-7 if money is not a consideration ( right! :), or you can pick one up in rough shape for cheap and bring it back to life yourself (which is what I did). I own both cr-7 and zx-7 and they both are fantastic, but what makes cr-7 stand out for me are the following: 1. main advantage is the adjustable playback azimuth ( you can dial it precisely to almost any pre-recorded tape you play, and it stays where you put it as opposed to Dragon which tends to seek especially at the start of play, before it locks on the right azimuth ) 2. direct drive mechanism ( low w&f and the belt spec is not as crucial as in the zx-7 ) 3. more user friendly ( yes, you can manually override eq and tape type selection, but you can also let the deck take care of the details for you ) True, you can't manually adjust record bias and level, but the autocal does a great job that I often can't tell monitor from source, when recording 4. subsonic filter, for recording warped lps, newer electronics, direct coupling of the playback head, better dolby circuitry 5. Last but definitely most important, I do prefer the sound of cr-7. Of course this is subjective and also may have something to do with specific samples of the decks that I have. The difference is slight, but always apparent to my ears. There is one nit-picking downside that I noticed on the cr-7 is that it tends to ever so slightly pick up the program recorded on the reverse side of the tape. You can notice it on quiet passages, that the low frequencies of the reverse side of the tape show up. At first I thought it was print-through, but recording on one side, and then playing the blank side still has the audio show up. Then I thought it was the head height adjustment, but that did not turn out to be the case, as no amount of height adjustment made it go away. I suspect the issue may be attributed to a different head design, zx-7 did exhibit the "problem", while cr-5 which has similar playback head to cr-7 did. Good luck! Yuri On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 4:26 AM, rich wrote: > > > I know this is subjective but if you had a chance to get a xz-7 or a cr-7a, > what are the pros and cons. i have read alot about both online and the cr-7a > seems to come out on top, but both seem close. Thanks...Rich > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yregelman at gmail.com Sun Apr 3 02:41:29 2011 From: yregelman at gmail.com (Yuri Regelman) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 17:41:29 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] cr-7A or ZX-7 In-Reply-To: References: <738649.16269.qm@web31508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Just noticed a typo, I meant to say "zx-7 did not exhibit the problem"... y On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 5:36 PM, Yuri Regelman wrote: > Rich, > I'd go for cr-7 if money is not a consideration ( right! :), or you can > pick one up in rough shape for cheap and bring it back to life yourself > (which is what I did). I own both cr-7 and zx-7 and they both are > fantastic, but what makes cr-7 stand out for me are the following: > > 1. main advantage is the adjustable playback azimuth ( you can dial it > precisely to almost any pre-recorded tape you play, and it stays where you > put it as opposed to Dragon which tends to seek especially at the start of > play, before it locks on the right azimuth ) > 2. direct drive mechanism ( low w&f and the belt spec is not as crucial as > in the zx-7 ) > 3. more user friendly ( yes, you can manually override eq and tape type > selection, but you can also let the deck take care of the details for you ) > True, you can't manually adjust record bias and level, but the autocal does > a great job that I often can't tell monitor from source, when recording > 4. subsonic filter, for recording warped lps, newer electronics, direct > coupling of the playback head, better dolby circuitry > 5. Last but definitely most important, I do prefer the sound of cr-7. Of > course this is subjective and also may have something to do with specific > samples of the decks that I have. The difference is slight, but always > apparent to my ears. > > > There is one nit-picking downside that I noticed on the cr-7 is that it > tends to ever so slightly pick up the program recorded on the reverse side > of the tape. You can notice it on quiet passages, that the low frequencies > of the reverse side of the tape show up. > At first I thought it was print-through, but recording on one side, and > then playing the blank side still has the audio show up. Then I thought it > was the head height adjustment, but that did not turn out to be the case, as > no amount of height adjustment made it go away. I suspect the issue may be > attributed to a different head design, zx-7 did exhibit the "problem", while > cr-5 which has similar playback head to cr-7 did. > > Good luck! > Yuri > > On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 4:26 AM, rich wrote: > >> >> >> I know this is subjective but if you had a chance to get a xz-7 or a >> cr-7a, what are the pros and cons. i have read alot about both online and >> the cr-7a seems to come out on top, but both seem close. Thanks...Rich >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Sun Apr 3 14:29:50 2011 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 08:29:50 -0400 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem In-Reply-To: <005e01cbf1ab$04d4d5f0$0e7e81d0$@math.utah.edu> References: <00dd01cbf0a9$1e9dd2f0$5bd978d0$@net> <550573.72584.qm@web130110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00bb01cbf165$ee90d090$cbb271b0$@net> <005e01cbf1ab$04d4d5f0$0e7e81d0$@math.utah.edu> Message-ID: <98BAEAF6-A4BC-4AE9-A578-6FD500E2269E@peromarta.org> He said he has just replaced them. Unless they are of the wrong type, or course. Sent from iPad. Please excuse typos. El 02/04/2011, a las 22:58, "Victor Gabrenas" escribió: > Sounds like you are in need of new capstan belt. > > Vic > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Frank Baker > Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 12:44 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem > > > > The unit already has the gear mod. It slows to a crawl and eventually stops. I don’t hear increased wow, just slowing down. It happens with every cassette I’ve tried so far – about 5 – varying from bulk tapes to Maxell Metal Capsule 50 minute tapes. > > > > Frank > > > > From: Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] > Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 8:28 AM > To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem > > > > > If you let it play, does it slow to a crawl and eventually > stop, or does it continue at a reduced speed? Can you > hear increased wow? > > Does it happen with all cassettes? > > -- Ron > > From: Frank Baker > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 4:12:23 PM > Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem > > Hi All, > > > > I have a CR-7A which starts to slow down after 2 or 3 minutes of playback. If I stop and restart it works OK for about a minute then slows down again. I just replaced both belts, but that didn’t help at all. 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URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Sun Apr 3 15:26:18 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 06:26:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem In-Reply-To: <00bb01cbf165$ee90d090$cbb271b0$@net> References: <00dd01cbf0a9$1e9dd2f0$5bd978d0$@net> <550573.72584.qm@web130110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00bb01cbf165$ee90d090$cbb271b0$@net> Message-ID: <426079.26407.qm@web130121.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It's highly unlikely the problem is caused by the idler, regardless of rubber or gear type. -- Ron ________________________________ From: Frank Baker To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sat, April 2, 2011 2:43:58 PM Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem The unit already has the gear mod. It slows to a crawl and eventually stops. I don’t hear increased wow, just slowing down. It happens with every cassette I’ve tried so far – about 5 – varying from bulk tapes to Maxell Metal Capsule 50 minute tapes. Frank From:Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 8:28 AM To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem If you let it play, does it slow to a crawl and eventually stop, or does it continue at a reduced speed? Can you hear increased wow? Does it happen with all cassettes? -- Ron ________________________________ From:Frank Baker To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 4:12:23 PM Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem Hi All, I have a CR-7A which starts to slow down after 2 or 3 minutes of playback. If I stop and restart it works OK for about a minute then slows down again. I just replaced both belts, but that didn’t help at all. I just rejoined the list after about 2 years off, so if this has been recently discussed or handled, I apologize. Any ideas would be appreciated. Frank -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 3 17:08:07 2011 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 08:08:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: FW: [naktalk] cr-7A or ZX-7 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <923699.91655.qm@web112712.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Yep. Mark is on the money. In fact, for some reason, the ZX7 machines are undervalued. I picked one up a few months ago for $160, plus $30 shipping. All it needed was a belt and speed adjustment, and Marrs has perfect belts for this machine. Personally, I prefer the sound of the ZX7/9 decks to any CR7( including the ESL overhauled  one I have now). If you have the decks( any) properly serviced and aligned, playback of tapes recorded on one( does not matter which) sounds pretty good on the others, except for the signature sound of each machine, which is unique. Ram. --- On Sat, 4/2/11, Mark Exstedt wrote: From: Mark Exstedt Subject: FW: [naktalk] cr-7A or ZX-7 To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Saturday, April 2, 2011, 3:31 PM Do you own 300, 500, or 800 cassette tapes and just want to play them? Or are you getting into some serious recording? As an owner of 1,000+ cassettes, I like the ZX-7. If you plan on recording some 300+ cassettes, then the ZX-7 is preferred since it hs the record head azimuth which will also allow your recordings to sound better on other cassette decks. A friend brought over his serviced CR-7A months back. We did an A/B comparison test to my two serviced ZX-7's and there was no or little difference in playback sound. Later my friend sold the CR-7A on Ebay for $910 (shipping included, no remote, no original box). Hefty price tag! If you have money to blow - get the CR-7A. Many nice ZX-7's on Ebay sell for around $450+. The ZX-9 is rare and has a hefty price tag.   Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 04:26:40 -0700 From: hockeyeast at yahoo.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] cr-7A or ZX-7 I know this is subjective but if you had a chance to get a xz-7 or a cr-7a, what are the pros and cons. i have read alot about both online and the cr-7a seems to come out on top, but both seem close. 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URL: From dave.bowley at hotmail.co.uk Sun Apr 3 16:23:02 2011 From: dave.bowley at hotmail.co.uk (Dave Bowley) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 14:23:02 +0000 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem In-Reply-To: <98BAEAF6-A4BC-4AE9-A578-6FD500E2269E@peromarta.org> References: <00dd01cbf0a9$1e9dd2f0$5bd978d0$@net>, <550573.72584.qm@web130110.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, <00bb01cbf165$ee90d090$cbb271b0$@net>, <005e01cbf1ab$04d4d5f0$0e7e81d0$@math.utah.edu>, <98BAEAF6-A4BC-4AE9-A578-6FD500E2269E@peromarta.org> Message-ID: Where did U source the belts from ? They might not be up to spec i.e too thick or ? CC: naktalk at naks.com From: luis at peromarta.org Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 08:29:50 -0400 To: naktalk at naks.com He said he has just replaced them. Unless they are of the wrong type, or course. Sent from iPad. Please excuse typos. El 02/04/2011, a las 22:58, "Victor Gabrenas" escribió: Sounds like you are in need of new capstan belt.Vic From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Frank Baker Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 12:44 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem The unit already has the gear mod. It slows to a crawl and eventually stops. I don’t hear increased wow, just slowing down. It happens with every cassette I’ve tried so far – about 5 – varying from bulk tapes to Maxell Metal Capsule 50 minute tapes. Frank From: Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 8:28 AM To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem If you let it play, does it slow to a crawl and eventually stop, or does it continue at a reduced speed? Can you hear increased wow? Does it happen with all cassettes? -- RonFrom: Frank Baker To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 4:12:23 PM Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problemHi All, I have a CR-7A which starts to slow down after 2 or 3 minutes of playback. If I stop and restart it works OK for about a minute then slows down again. I just replaced both belts, but that didn’t help at all. I just rejoined the list after about 2 years off, so if this has been recently discussed or handled, I apologize. Any ideas would be appreciated. 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URL: From thomas36245-net at yahoo.com Sun Apr 3 16:44:54 2011 From: thomas36245-net at yahoo.com (thomas) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 07:44:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem In-Reply-To: <426079.26407.qm@web130121.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <254421.7551.qm@web80607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have a 600 that did the same thing for awhile. I put it away for a couple months, then got it out and tried it again and the motor was completely seized up. I reached in and tried to turn the motor shaft by hand and it would barely turn. Time for a new motor I'd say or try to open it up and rebuild it.    Thomas --- On Sun, 4/3/11, Ron wrote: From: Ron Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Sunday, April 3, 2011, 9:26 AM It's highly unlikely the problem is caused by the idler, regardless of rubber or gear type. -- Ron From: Frank Baker To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sat, April 2, 2011 2:43:58 PM Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem The unit already has the gear mod.  It slows to a crawl and eventually stops.  I don’t hear increased wow, just slowing down.  It happens with every cassette I’ve tried so far – about 5 – varying from bulk tapes to Maxell Metal Capsule 50 minute tapes.   Frank   From: Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 8:28 AM To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem   If you let it play, does it slow to a crawl and eventually stop, or does it continue at a reduced speed? Can you hear increased wow? Does it happen with all cassettes? -- Ron From: Frank Baker To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 4:12:23 PM Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem Hi All,   I have a CR-7A which starts to slow down after 2 or 3 minutes of playback.  If I stop and restart it works OK for about a minute then slows down again.  I just replaced both belts, but that didn’t help at all.  I just rejoined the list after about 2 years off, so if this has been recently discussed or handled, I apologize.  Any ideas would be appreciated.    Frank -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Sun Apr 3 18:05:07 2011 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 10:05:07 -0600 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem In-Reply-To: <98BAEAF6-A4BC-4AE9-A578-6FD500E2269E@peromarta.org> References: <00dd01cbf0a9$1e9dd2f0$5bd978d0$@net> <550573.72584.qm@web130110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00bb01cbf165$ee90d090$cbb271b0$@net> <005e01cbf1ab$04d4d5f0$0e7e81d0$@math.utah.edu> <98BAEAF6-A4BC-4AE9-A578-6FD500E2269E@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <003301cbf218$e79aa640$b6cff2c0$@math.utah.edu> Indeed it might be the wrong capstan belt. Vic From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Luis Peromarta Regert Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 6:30 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem He said he has just replaced them. Unless they are of the wrong type, or course. Sent from iPad. Please excuse typos. El 02/04/2011, a las 22:58, "Victor Gabrenas" escribió: Sounds like you are in need of new capstan belt. Vic From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Frank Baker Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 12:44 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem The unit already has the gear mod. It slows to a crawl and eventually stops. I don’t hear increased wow, just slowing down. It happens with every cassette I’ve tried so far – about 5 – varying from bulk tapes to Maxell Metal Capsule 50 minute tapes. Frank From: Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 8:28 AM To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem If you let it play, does it slow to a crawl and eventually stop, or does it continue at a reduced speed? Can you hear increased wow? Does it happen with all cassettes? -- Ron _____ From: Frank Baker To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 4:12:23 PM Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem Hi All, I have a CR-7A which starts to slow down after 2 or 3 minutes of playback. If I stop and restart it works OK for about a minute then slows down again. I just replaced both belts, but that didn’t help at all. I just rejoined the list after about 2 years off, so if this has been recently discussed or handled, I apologize. Any ideas would be appreciated. Frank ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Sun Apr 3 19:26:52 2011 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 10:26:52 -0700 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem In-Reply-To: References: <00dd01cbf0a9$1e9dd2f0$5bd978d0$@net> <550573.72584.qm@web130110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00bb01cbf165$ee90d090$cbb271b0$@net> <005e01cbf1ab$04d4d5f0$0e7e81d0$@math.utah.edu> <98BAEAF6-A4BC-4AE9-A578-6FD500E2269E@peromarta.org> Message-ID: For a belt of ordinary elasticity, the standard rule is that a belt should stretch 3% - 5% between its "relaxed" circumference and the circumference it stretches to when its on the pulleys. Tighter than that, and it will want to wear out the pulley (flywheel) bearings. Looser than that, and it may slip. The mass of the belt is also important. Thick belts tend to be less elastic, and should go more toward the 3%, and thin belts, contrariwise, can go more toward the 5%. However, when belts are thicker and heavier than the "stock" parts, they will often set up a spring-and-mass oscillator, and shimmy on the pulleys. This destroys the wow-and-flutter figure. Nakamichi drive belts are traditionally light and thin. Marrs Communications is the only source I know of that sells a wide range of Nakamichi belts that are up to spec. However, on the CR-7A, if after a short time the tape drive slows down, either the current belts are radically wrongly sized (i.e. super tight or super loose), or there is a problem in the motor circuit or the power supply circuit that feeds the motor. I'm leaning toward an electronic problem. Fred Fred Longworth MBA, CHMM Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F San Diego, CA 92116 (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 Fax: (619) 282-7872 classicaudiorepair at gmail.com stereo1 at cox.net www.repairaudio.com On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 7:23 AM, Dave Bowley wrote: > > Where did U source the belts from ? They might not be up to spec i.e too thick or > > ________________________________ > CC: naktalk at naks.com > From: luis at peromarta.org > Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem > Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 08:29:50 -0400 > To: naktalk at naks.com > > He said he has just replaced them. Unless they are of the wrong type, or course. > > Sent from iPad. Please excuse typos. > El 02/04/2011, a las 22:58, "Victor Gabrenas" escribió: > > Sounds like you are in need of new capstan belt. > > Vic > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Frank Baker > Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 12:44 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem > > > > The unit already has the gear mod.  It slows to a crawl and eventually stops.  I don’t hear increased wow, just slowing down.  It happens with every cassette I’ve tried so far – about 5 – varying from bulk tapes to Maxell Metal Capsule 50 minute tapes. > > > > Frank > > > > From: Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] > Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 8:28 AM > To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem > > > > If you let it play, does it slow to a crawl and eventually > stop, or does it continue at a reduced speed? Can you > hear increased wow? > > Does it happen with all cassettes? > > -- Ron > > ________________________________ > > From: Frank Baker > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 4:12:23 PM > Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem > > Hi All, > > > > I have a CR-7A which starts to slow down after 2 or 3 minutes of playback.  If I stop and restart it works OK for about a minute then slows down again.  I just replaced both belts, but that didn’t help at all.  I just rejoined the list after about 2 years off, so if this has been recently discussed or handled, I apologize.  Any ideas would be appreciated. > > > > Frank > From luis at peromarta.org Sun Apr 3 19:39:30 2011 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 13:39:30 -0400 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem In-Reply-To: <003301cbf218$e79aa640$b6cff2c0$@math.utah.edu> References: <00dd01cbf0a9$1e9dd2f0$5bd978d0$@net> <550573.72584.qm@web130110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00bb01cbf165$ee90d090$cbb271b0$@net> <005e01cbf1ab$04d4d5f0$0e7e81d0$@math.utah.edu> <98BAEAF6-A4BC-4AE9-A578-6FD500E2269E@peromarta.org> <003301cbf218$e79aa640$b6cff2c0$@math.utah.edu> Message-ID: <3AA56876-1F71-4ED2-B135-65F021C85803@peromarta.org> Certainly. Sent from iPad. Please excuse typos. El 03/04/2011, a las 12:05, "Victor Gabrenas" escribió: > Indeed it might be the wrong capstan belt. > > Vic > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Luis Peromarta Regert > Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 6:30 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem > > > > He said he has just replaced them. Unless they are of the wrong type, or course. > > Sent from iPad. Please excuse typos. > > > El 02/04/2011, a las 22:58, "Victor Gabrenas" escribió: > > Sounds like you are in need of new capstan belt. > > Vic > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Frank Baker > Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 12:44 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem > > > > The unit already has the gear mod. It slows to a crawl and eventually stops. I don’t hear increased wow, just slowing down. It happens with every cassette I’ve tried so far – about 5 – varying from bulk tapes to Maxell Metal Capsule 50 minute tapes. > > > > Frank > > > > From: Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] > Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 8:28 AM > To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem > > > > > If you let it play, does it slow to a crawl and eventually > stop, or does it continue at a reduced speed? Can you > hear increased wow? > > Does it happen with all cassettes? > > -- Ron > > From: Frank Baker > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 4:12:23 PM > Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem > > Hi All, > > > > I have a CR-7A which starts to slow down after 2 or 3 minutes of playback. If I stop and restart it works OK for about a minute then slows down again. I just replaced both belts, but that didn’t help at all. 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URL: From luis at peromarta.org Sun Apr 3 20:40:44 2011 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 14:40:44 -0400 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem In-Reply-To: References: <00dd01cbf0a9$1e9dd2f0$5bd978d0$@net> <550573.72584.qm@web130110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00bb01cbf165$ee90d090$cbb271b0$@net> <005e01cbf1ab$04d4d5f0$0e7e81d0$@math.utah.edu> <98BAEAF6-A4BC-4AE9-A578-6FD500E2269E@peromarta.org> Message-ID: Amen, brother. Sent from iPad. Please excuse typos. El 03/04/2011, a las 13:26, Fred Longworth escribió: > For a belt of ordinary elasticity, the standard rule is that a belt > should stretch 3% - 5% between its "relaxed" circumference and the > circumference it stretches to when its on the pulleys. Tighter than > that, and it will want to wear out the pulley (flywheel) bearings. > Looser than that, and it may slip. > > The mass of the belt is also important. Thick belts tend to be less > elastic, and should go more toward the 3%, and thin belts, > contrariwise, can go more toward the 5%. > > However, when belts are thicker and heavier than the "stock" parts, > they will often set up a spring-and-mass oscillator, and shimmy on the > pulleys. This destroys the wow-and-flutter figure. > > Nakamichi drive belts are traditionally light and thin. Marrs > Communications is the only source I know of that sells a wide range of > Nakamichi belts that are up to spec. > > However, on the CR-7A, if after a short time the tape drive slows > down, either the current belts are radically wrongly sized (i.e. super > tight or super loose), or there is a problem in the motor circuit or > the power supply circuit that feeds the motor. I'm leaning toward an > electronic problem. > > Fred > > Fred Longworth MBA, CHMM > Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 > 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F > San Diego, CA 92116 > (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 > Fax: (619) 282-7872 > classicaudiorepair at gmail.com > stereo1 at cox.net > www.repairaudio.com > > On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 7:23 AM, Dave Bowley wrote: >> >> Where did U source the belts from ? They might not be up to spec i.e too thick or >> >> ________________________________ >> CC: naktalk at naks.com >> From: luis at peromarta.org >> Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem >> Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 08:29:50 -0400 >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> >> He said he has just replaced them. Unless they are of the wrong type, or course. >> >> Sent from iPad. Please excuse typos. >> El 02/04/2011, a las 22:58, "Victor Gabrenas" escribió: >> >> Sounds like you are in need of new capstan belt. >> >> Vic >> >> >> >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Frank Baker >> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 12:44 PM >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem >> >> >> >> The unit already has the gear mod. It slows to a crawl and eventually stops. I don’t hear increased wow, just slowing down. It happens with every cassette I’ve tried so far – about 5 – varying from bulk tapes to Maxell Metal Capsule 50 minute tapes. >> >> >> >> Frank >> >> >> >> From: Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] >> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 8:28 AM >> To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem >> >> >> >> If you let it play, does it slow to a crawl and eventually >> stop, or does it continue at a reduced speed? Can you >> hear increased wow? >> >> Does it happen with all cassettes? >> >> -- Ron >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: Frank Baker >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 4:12:23 PM >> Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem >> >> Hi All, >> >> >> >> I have a CR-7A which starts to slow down after 2 or 3 minutes of playback. If I stop and restart it works OK for about a minute then slows down again. I just replaced both belts, but that didn’t help at all. I just rejoined the list after about 2 years off, so if this has been recently discussed or handled, I apologize. Any ideas would be appreciated. >> >> >> >> Frank >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From fsbaker77 at att.net Sun Apr 3 20:20:54 2011 From: fsbaker77 at att.net (Frank Baker) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 14:20:54 -0400 Subject: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem In-Reply-To: <003301cbf218$e79aa640$b6cff2c0$@math.utah.edu> References: <00dd01cbf0a9$1e9dd2f0$5bd978d0$@net> <550573.72584.qm@web130110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00bb01cbf165$ee90d090$cbb271b0$@net> <005e01cbf1ab$04d4d5f0$0e7e81d0$@math.utah.edu> <98BAEAF6-A4BC-4AE9-A578-6FD500E2269E@peromarta.org> <003301cbf218$e79aa640$b6cff2c0$@math.utah.edu> Message-ID: <00b101cbf22b$e03498d0$a09dca70$@net> I had the same problem before I replaced the belt. I purchased the belts with instructions for installation from www.wjoe.com. Frank From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Victor Gabrenas Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 12:05 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem Indeed it might be the wrong capstan belt. Vic From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Luis Peromarta Regert Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 6:30 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem He said he has just replaced them. Unless they are of the wrong type, or course. Sent from iPad. Please excuse typos. El 02/04/2011, a las 22:58, "Victor Gabrenas" escribió: Sounds like you are in need of new capstan belt. Vic From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Frank Baker Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 12:44 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem The unit already has the gear mod. It slows to a crawl and eventually stops. I don’t hear increased wow, just slowing down. It happens with every cassette I’ve tried so far – about 5 – varying from bulk tapes to Maxell Metal Capsule 50 minute tapes. Frank From: Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 8:28 AM To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem If you let it play, does it slow to a crawl and eventually stop, or does it continue at a reduced speed? Can you hear increased wow? Does it happen with all cassettes? -- Ron _____ From: Frank Baker To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 4:12:23 PM Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem Hi All, I have a CR-7A which starts to slow down after 2 or 3 minutes of playback. If I stop and restart it works OK for about a minute then slows down again. I just replaced both belts, but that didn’t help at all. I just rejoined the list after about 2 years off, so if this has been recently discussed or handled, I apologize. Any ideas would be appreciated. Frank ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Sun Apr 3 22:34:39 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 13:34:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem In-Reply-To: <003301cbf218$e79aa640$b6cff2c0$@math.utah.edu> References: <00dd01cbf0a9$1e9dd2f0$5bd978d0$@net> <550573.72584.qm@web130110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00bb01cbf165$ee90d090$cbb271b0$@net> <005e01cbf1ab$04d4d5f0$0e7e81d0$@math.utah.edu> <98BAEAF6-A4BC-4AE9-A578-6FD500E2269E@peromarta.org> <003301cbf218$e79aa640$b6cff2c0$@math.utah.edu> Message-ID: <200906.26399.qm@web130107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The thought ocurred to me, but the OP said it starts OK but some time later slows down to a stop. This is not typical of an incorrect belt. IME, if the belt is too short, it will either refuse to start or go very slow drag immediately. ________________________________ From: Victor Gabrenas To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sun, April 3, 2011 12:05:07 PM Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem Indeed it might be the wrong capstan belt. Vic From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Luis Peromarta Regert Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 6:30 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem He said he has just replaced them. Unless they are of the wrong type, or course. Sent from iPad. Please excuse typos. El 02/04/2011, a las 22:58, "Victor Gabrenas" escribió: Sounds like you are in need of new capstan belt. >Vic > >From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of >Frank Baker >Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 12:44 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem > >The unit already has the gear mod. It slows to a crawl and eventually stops. I >don’t hear increased wow, just slowing down. It happens with every cassette >I’ve tried so far – about 5 – varying from bulk tapes to Maxell Metal Capsule 50 >minute tapes. > >Frank > >From:Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] >Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 8:28 AM >To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem > > >If you let it play, does it slow to a crawl and eventually >stop, or does it continue at a reduced speed? Can you >hear increased wow? > >Does it happen with all cassettes? > >-- Ron > ________________________________ >From:Frank Baker >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 4:12:23 PM >Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem >Hi All, > >I have a CR-7A which starts to slow down after 2 or 3 minutes of playback. If I >stop and restart it works OK for about a minute then slows down again. I just >replaced both belts, but that didn’t help at all. I just rejoined the list >after about 2 years off, so if this has been recently discussed or handled, I >apologize. 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URL: From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Sun Apr 3 23:40:36 2011 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 15:40:36 -0600 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem In-Reply-To: <200906.26399.qm@web130107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <00dd01cbf0a9$1e9dd2f0$5bd978d0$@net> <550573.72584.qm@web130110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00bb01cbf165$ee90d090$cbb271b0$@net> <005e01cbf1ab$04d4d5f0$0e7e81d0$@math.utah.edu> <98BAEAF6-A4BC-4AE9-A578-6FD500E2269E@peromarta.org> <003301cbf218$e79aa640$b6cff2c0$@math.utah.edu> <200906.26399.qm@web130107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002101cbf247$c596df30$50c49d90$@math.utah.edu> I ran into the same situation from a BX-300 a customer brought to me after 2 techs took a crack at it. The problem was a tight belt. Both techs were convinced it was the IC controlling the speed adjust. I have never tried the belts from wjoe but I can attest to the Marrs Belts. Since this is a CR-7, I would only use the highest grade belt I can find. Vic From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 2:35 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem The thought ocurred to me, but the OP said it starts OK but some time later slows down to a stop. This is not typical of an incorrect belt. IME, if the belt is too short, it will either refuse to start or go very slow drag immediately. _____ From: Victor Gabrenas To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sun, April 3, 2011 12:05:07 PM Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem Indeed it might be the wrong capstan belt. Vic From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Luis Peromarta Regert Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 6:30 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem He said he has just replaced them. Unless they are of the wrong type, or course. Sent from iPad. Please excuse typos. El 02/04/2011, a las 22:58, "Victor Gabrenas" escribió: Sounds like you are in need of new capstan belt. Vic From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Frank Baker Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 12:44 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem The unit already has the gear mod. It slows to a crawl and eventually stops. I don’t hear increased wow, just slowing down. It happens with every cassette I’ve tried so far – about 5 – varying from bulk tapes to Maxell Metal Capsule 50 minute tapes. Frank From: Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 8:28 AM To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem If you let it play, does it slow to a crawl and eventually stop, or does it continue at a reduced speed? Can you hear increased wow? Does it happen with all cassettes? -- Ron _____ From: Frank Baker To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 4:12:23 PM Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem Hi All, I have a CR-7A which starts to slow down after 2 or 3 minutes of playback. If I stop and restart it works OK for about a minute then slows down again. I just replaced both belts, but that didn’t help at all. I just rejoined the list after about 2 years off, so if this has been recently discussed or handled, I apologize. Any ideas would be appreciated. Frank ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 4 02:15:59 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 17:15:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem In-Reply-To: References: <00dd01cbf0a9$1e9dd2f0$5bd978d0$@net> <550573.72584.qm@web130110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00bb01cbf165$ee90d090$cbb271b0$@net> <005e01cbf1ab$04d4d5f0$0e7e81d0$@math.utah.edu> <98BAEAF6-A4BC-4AE9-A578-6FD500E2269E@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <247210.57776.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Sounds like bad electronics because he's had the problem before changing the belts - that's why he changed them. It is good to change those belts as long they are of the right type. However, this seem to have a problem with the BLDC drive circuit of the capstan motor. Hmmm... Bala ________________________________ From: Fred Longworth To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Mon, April 4, 2011 3:26:52 AM Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem For a belt of ordinary elasticity, the standard rule is that a belt should stretch 3% - 5% between its "relaxed" circumference and the circumference it stretches to when its on the pulleys. Tighter than that, and it will want to wear out the pulley (flywheel) bearings. Looser than that, and it may slip. The mass of the belt is also important. Thick belts tend to be less elastic, and should go more toward the 3%, and thin belts, contrariwise, can go more toward the 5%. However, when belts are thicker and heavier than the "stock" parts, they will often set up a spring-and-mass oscillator, and shimmy on the pulleys. This destroys the wow-and-flutter figure. Nakamichi drive belts are traditionally light and thin. Marrs Communications is the only source I know of that sells a wide range of Nakamichi belts that are up to spec. However, on the CR-7A, if after a short time the tape drive slows down, either the current belts are radically wrongly sized (i.e. super tight or super loose), or there is a problem in the motor circuit or the power supply circuit that feeds the motor. I'm leaning toward an electronic problem. Fred Fred Longworth MBA, CHMM Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F San Diego, CA 92116 (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 Fax: (619) 282-7872 classicaudiorepair at gmail.com stereo1 at cox.net www.repairaudio.com On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 7:23 AM, Dave Bowley wrote: > > Where did U source the belts from ? They might not be up to spec i.e too thick >or > > ________________________________ > CC: naktalk at naks.com > From: luis at peromarta.org > Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem > Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 08:29:50 -0400 > To: naktalk at naks.com > > He said he has just replaced them. Unless they are of the wrong type, or >course. > > Sent from iPad. Please excuse typos. > El 02/04/2011, a las 22:58, "Victor Gabrenas" >escribió: > > Sounds like you are in need of new capstan belt. > > Vic > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of >Frank Baker > Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 12:44 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem > > > > The unit already has the gear mod. It slows to a crawl and eventually stops. >I don’t hear increased wow, just slowing down. It happens with every cassette >I’ve tried so far – about 5 – varying from bulk tapes to Maxell Metal Capsule 50 >minute tapes. > > > > Frank > > > > From: Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] > Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 8:28 AM > To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem > > > > If you let it play, does it slow to a crawl and eventually > stop, or does it continue at a reduced speed? Can you > hear increased wow? > > Does it happen with all cassettes? > > -- Ron > > ________________________________ > > From: Frank Baker > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 4:12:23 PM > Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem > > Hi All, > > > > I have a CR-7A which starts to slow down after 2 or 3 minutes of playback. If >I stop and restart it works OK for about a minute then slows down again. I just >replaced both belts, but that didn’t help at all. 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 4 02:19:45 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 17:19:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] cr-7A or ZX-7 In-Reply-To: References: <738649.16269.qm@web31508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <362155.77287.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Get both? ________________________________ From: Luis Peromarta Regert To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Cc: "naktalk at naks.com" Sent: Sun, April 3, 2011 5:00:01 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] cr-7A or ZX-7 Cant go wrong with any of those. Very different though, but both on the top 5 I would say. Sent from iPad. Please excuse typos. El 02/04/2011, a las 07:26, rich escribió: > >I know this is subjective but if you had a chance to get a xz-7 or a cr-7a, what >are the pros and cons. i have read alot about both online and the cr-7a seems to >come out on top, but both seem close. Thanks...Rich > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Mon Apr 4 03:46:45 2011 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 21:46:45 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] cr-7A or ZX-7 In-Reply-To: <362155.77287.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <738649.16269.qm@web31508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <362155.77287.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1159C89C-CB26-4E93-B3AD-9F35D3008B0C@peromarta.org> Do. Sent from iPad. Please excuse typos. El 03/04/2011, a las 20:19, Bala Ganesh Chandra escribió: > Get both? > > From: Luis Peromarta Regert > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Cc: "naktalk at naks.com" > Sent: Sun, April 3, 2011 5:00:01 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] cr-7A or ZX-7 > > Cant go wrong with any of those. Very different though, but both on the top 5 I would say. > > Sent from iPad. Please excuse typos. > > El 02/04/2011, a las 07:26, rich escribió: > >> >> >> I know this is subjective but if you had a chance to get a xz-7 or a cr-7a, what are the pros and cons. i have read alot about both online and the cr-7a seems to come out on top, but both seem close. 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The difference is not earthshaking, but made me select the CR-7 as soon as I heard one. -- Ron ________________________________ I know this is subjective but if you had a chance to get a xz-7 or a cr-7a, what are the pros and cons. i have read alot about both online and the cr-7a seems to come out on top, but both seem close. Thanks...Rich -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Mon Apr 4 22:15:38 2011 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 22:15:38 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000ZXL parts Message-ID: <000601cbf305$1045d870$30d18950$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Hi all, I have a little problem with the Nakamichi RAMM Board on my 1000ZXL. The connector CN29 has a broken contact. So I have to replace the connector I think and I wonder if there are spare parts on Naktalk for this deck. Maybe a spare RAMM board or a spare connector ? 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The site and the mailing list & archive have been a great resource for me to date, researching decks or finding an idea to repair faults. Service manuals and reference docs / principles of operation, wonderful to have in one place, when I've had to debug a couple of issues. It's nice to know I don't feel like a geek alone when I've been occasionally poring over a circuit late on a tuesday evening! Always loved tapes in a way, grew up with them. "Killing music with my schoolboy home taping" my dad always laughed. Kept a few boxes of the ones that were still pleasant on the ear, umm just because! The best tapes were mostly recorded on one of two 70's Akais. A couple of years ago, faced with a clearing space "use or lose situation", I looked to sourcing a deck to play them on. Went for a Nak, mainly out of build quality, reputation & resale consistency if I changed my mind. Well! haven't looked back. Needless to say the tapes didn't get chucked (well some did! - tastes change eh?) but for the most part, they get played! Occasionally here and there another tape goes twang, and bounces into the bucket not to be replaced. Tapes and digital for cooking in the kitchen, and driving the old car in the summer. Vinyl and CDs in the lounge. This is how we roll. In the main I've only used / experienced CR decks. Straightforward. Not much to go wrong. So far, good for the budget and effort I'm willing to give this interest! My main deck is a CR-3E which is a good workhorse for me. I don't record a lot, just the occasional mixtape for friends & family who still appreciate it. What pleases me, is just that it does its job well. Gets used daily. Looks good on top of the fridge freezer. Entertains those who threw out their tapes years ago. Gives good tape tension, consistent quality playback - more than any other deck I've listened to, between pre-recorded and my own tapes, and with great dynamic range. Say no more. Now! back to lurking! Cheers, Tom R -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tom.romasz at googlemail.com Mon Apr 4 20:07:20 2011 From: tom.romasz at googlemail.com (Tom Romaszkiewicz) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 19:07:20 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Mechanical counter wrap around Message-ID: Hi, Spotted a small issue on an otherwise now fully working CR-1E deck, saved from mingling in the parts bin and being robbed of its reel motor. The mechanical counter moves, as you would expect, rewind, fast forward, play. Rewind to zero & stop, fine. When it wraps around at zero, sometimes it works, but it may also not go beyond zero. just as its wrapping around, you get a little click & counter makes a tick sound and hits zero, then it stays at zero instead of moving on. Fast forwarding sometimes it gets stuck. rewinding and then fast forwarding always it works. For other people like me who on a rainy day, may like watching the washing machine go through its motions, watching paint dry, watching spring & summer arrive.. Take a look at your counter. Go on. Wind it forward. What does it do? For this deck, do you reckon, does the mechanism need a little clean? or as the counter is belt driven, given the behaviour at a point when there will be some extra drag / torque required, to drive the counter reset, is it more likely just to be just belt tension? What size of belt would be needed? easy to replace? the capstan belt doesn't need replacing and given the limited budget I have for this, I don't really want to blow it all on all new belts! Cheers, Tom R -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mrm12000 at cableone.net Tue Apr 5 02:29:49 2011 From: mrm12000 at cableone.net (mrm12000 at cableone.net) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2011 17:29:49 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] ReVox B215 for sale Message-ID: <61615.1301963389@cableone.net> I have a ReVox B215 deck I'd like to sell. It's in very nice cosmetic shape and comes with the right-angled power cord and cassette-well cover that are often missing. It needs new pinch rollers, which are available on eBay, and a bulb that illuminates the LCD display is burned out (this looks to be easy to replace; there is a ton of working room inside the chassis). I have reprints of both the user and service manuals. I'm willing to take offers. I won't sell it for less than $100, but I'll take the highest offer above that. ---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net From fsbaker77 at att.net Mon Apr 4 23:31:42 2011 From: fsbaker77 at att.net (Frank Baker) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 17:31:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem Message-ID: <008a01cbf30f$b26d7d10$17487730$@net> OK, I have ordered new belts from Marrs Communication. It’s a CR-7, it should have the best. The pinch rollers spin freely when not in contact with the capstans and appear to be parallel to them when in contact. Ron, there are 4 leads coming off the circuit board at the back of the DD motor – black, purple, orange and green With the power on and the tape stopped, Black to Orange is 11.45 V. Black to purple is 12.35 V. Also, please pardon my ignorance, but is what you call the motor PCB what the service manual calls the logic PCB? I couldn’t find IC M51721L either in the service manual or on the logic PCB itself, but I may have been looking in the wrong place. A little additional guidance would be appreciated. I also purchased a Tektronix scope off of eBay. It should arrive sometime early next week. Thanks for all your help. Frank From: Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 9:24 AM To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem The following is not conclusive... I would first (because its the easiest) check the pinch rollers (should rotate freely and be clean and parallel to capstans) and their arms (should make good, even contact with the capstans). If the above is OK, I would check the capstan motor electronics. Start with measurement of the 12V right at the PCB. Should be 12VDC ± 5%. If OK: a failed driver IC will cause the symptom you are experiencing, as will an open coil. To check, turn power off and measure resistance between pins 9 and 10 (then repeat for pins 11 and 12) of IC M51721L on the motor PCB. If the results are equal in both measurements, the coils are likely good. Then, turn the deck on and hang a 'scope across each of these output pin pairs. Wait for slowdown. If waveforms and levels are equal, the IC is likely good. Lacking a multimeter and/or 'scope, you can't really diagnose this, but you can fall back on the time honored ruse of blindly replacing the IC in the hope it is the culprit (about 50% chance). However, be aware that replacing this IC does require basic knowledge of electronics servicing (e.g. make absolutely sure the insulator is correctly in place and smear a thin layer of heat sink compound on both sides). Good luck, -- Ron _____ From: Frank Baker To: Ron Sent: Sat, April 2, 2011 10:45:14 AM Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem Hi Ron, It slows to a crawl and eventually stops. Frank From: Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 8:28 AM To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem If you let it play, does it slow to a crawl and eventually stop, or does it continue at a reduced speed? Can you hear increased wow? Does it happen with all cassettes? -- Ron _____ From: Frank Baker To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 4:12:23 PM Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem Hi All, I have a CR-7A which starts to slow down after 2 or 3 minutes of playback. If I stop and restart it works OK for about a minute then slows down again. I just replaced both belts, but that didn’t help at all. I just rejoined the list after about 2 years off, so if this has been recently discussed or handled, I apologize. Any ideas would be appreciated. Frank -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 5 01:47:20 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 16:47:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000ZXL parts In-Reply-To: <000601cbf305$1045d870$30d18950$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> References: <000601cbf305$1045d870$30d18950$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Message-ID: <466995.9522.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Norman, This is a older Molex type connector. They have newer replacements that can be bough -look out for the same pin pitch and spacing. Cheers! Bala ________________________________ From: Norman van Wijnen To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, April 5, 2011 6:15:38 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000ZXL parts Hi all, I have a little problem with the Nakamichi RAMM Board on my 1000ZXL. The connector CN29 has a broken contact. So I have to replace the connector I think and I wonder if there are spare parts on Naktalk for this deck. Maybe a spare RAMM board or a spare connector ? The manual give us a part number F12P-SHVQ. Thx Norman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Apr 5 04:08:06 2011 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 19:08:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem In-Reply-To: <008a01cbf30f$b26d7d10$17487730$@net> Message-ID: <60490.10710.qm@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> DOwnload the service manual and locate a series resistor supplying power to the DD motor board. When you press play without the tape check the voltage drop across this resistor - If the drop is too much you need to clean the capstan bearing as well check some components in the DD motor control board ( which contains everything infact including DD coils on oneside Kannan PS good probablity it is the electronic issue not the belt issue  --- On Mon, 4/4/11, Frank Baker wrote: From: Frank Baker Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Monday, April 4, 2011, 5:31 PM OK, I have ordered new belts from Marrs Communication.  It’s a CR-7, it should have the best.   The pinch rollers spin freely when not in contact with the capstans and appear to be parallel to them when in contact.   Ron, there are 4 leads coming off the circuit board at the back of the DD motor – black, purple, orange and green   With the power on and the tape stopped, Black to Orange is 11.45 V.  Black to purple is 12.35 V.    Also, please pardon my ignorance, but is what you call the motor PCB what the service manual calls the logic PCB?  I couldn’t find IC M51721L either in the service manual or on the logic PCB itself, but I may have been looking in the wrong place.  A little additional guidance would be appreciated.   I also purchased a Tektronix scope off of eBay.  It should arrive sometime early next week.    Thanks for all your help.   Frank       From: Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 9:24 AM To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem   The following is not conclusive... I would first (because its the easiest) check the pinch rollers (should rotate freely and be clean and parallel to capstans) and their arms (should make good, even contact with the capstans). If the above is OK, I would check the capstan motor electronics. Start with measurement of the 12V right at the PCB. Should be 12VDC ± 5%. If OK: a failed driver IC will cause the symptom you are experiencing, as will an open coil. To check, turn power off and measure resistance between pins 9 and 10 (then repeat for pins 11 and 12) of IC M51721L on the motor PCB. If the results are equal in both measurements, the coils are likely good. Then, turn the deck on and hang a 'scope across each of these output pin pairs. Wait for slowdown. If waveforms and levels are equal, the IC is likely good. Lacking a multimeter and/or 'scope, you can't really diagnose this, but you can fall back on the time honored ruse of blindly replacing the IC in the hope it is the culprit (about 50% chance). However, be aware that replacing this IC does require basic knowledge of electronics servicing (e.g. make absolutely sure the insulator is correctly in place and smear a thin layer of heat sink compound on both sides). Good luck, -- Ron   From: Frank Baker To: Ron Sent: Sat, April 2, 2011 10:45:14 AM Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem Hi Ron,   It slows to a crawl and eventually stops.   Frank   From: Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 8:28 AM To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem   If you let it play, does it slow to a crawl and eventually stop, or does it continue at a reduced speed? Can you hear increased wow? Does it happen with all cassettes? -- Ron From: Frank Baker To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 4:12:23 PM Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem Hi All,   I have a CR-7A which starts to slow down after 2 or 3 minutes of playback.  If I stop and restart it works OK for about a minute then slows down again.  I just replaced both belts, but that didn’t help at all.  I just rejoined the list after about 2 years off, so if this has been recently discussed or handled, I apologize.  Any ideas would be appreciated.    Frank -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thomas36245-net at yahoo.com Tue Apr 5 02:48:14 2011 From: thomas36245-net at yahoo.com (thomas) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 17:48:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Mechanical counter wrap around In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <250073.46006.qm@web80606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Tom ; Here's a little trick for belts. Take off the belt and boil it in water for 4 to 5 minutes and then put it right into ice water. My friend tried this on a small belt that was slipping on his old cd carousel changer and it's been working fine now for months.   Thomas --- On Mon, 4/4/11, Tom Romaszkiewicz wrote: From: Tom Romaszkiewicz Subject: [naktalk] Mechanical counter wrap around To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, April 4, 2011, 2:07 PM Hi, Spotted a small issue on an otherwise now fully working CR-1E deck, saved from mingling in the parts bin and being robbed of its reel motor. The mechanical counter moves, as you would expect, rewind, fast forward, play. Rewind to zero & stop, fine. When it wraps around at zero, sometimes it works, but it may also not go beyond zero. just as its wrapping around, you get a little click & counter makes a tick sound and hits zero, then it stays at zero instead of moving on. Fast forwarding sometimes it gets stuck. rewinding and then fast forwarding always it works. For other people like me who on a rainy day, may like watching the washing machine go through its motions, watching paint dry, watching spring & summer arrive.. Take a look at your counter. Go on. Wind it forward. What does it do? For this deck, do you reckon, does the mechanism need a little clean? or as the counter is belt driven, given the behaviour at a point when there will be some extra drag / torque required, to drive the counter reset, is it more likely just to be just belt tension? What size of belt would be needed? easy to replace? the capstan belt doesn't need replacing and given the limited budget I have for this, I don't really want to blow it all on all new belts! Cheers, Tom R -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hhtltd at juno.com Tue Apr 5 03:02:34 2011 From: hhtltd at juno.com (hhtltd at juno.com) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 21:02:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ReVox B215 for sale Message-ID: <20110404.210235.2804.2.hhtltd@juno.com> I offer $245.00 plus $30.00 shipping. Please acknowledge offer. Thanks! NIno Moretti hhtltd at juno.com On Mon, 04 Apr 2011 17:29:49 -0700 "mrm12000 at cableone.net" writes: > I have a ReVox B215 deck I'd like to sell. It's in very nice cosmetic > shape and comes with the right-angled > power cord and cassette-well cover that are often missing. It needs > new pinch rollers, which are available > on eBay, and a bulb that illuminates the LCD display is burned out > (this looks to be easy to replace; there > is a ton of working room inside the chassis). I have reprints of > both the user and service manuals. > > I'm willing to take offers. I won't sell it for less than $100, but > I'll take the highest offer above that. > ---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------======== = > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------======== = > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------======== = > > ____________________________________________________________ Groupon™ Official Site 1 ridiculously huge coupon a day. Get 50-90% off your city's best! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d9a6a562d7fd2d17dm06duc From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr Tue Apr 5 09:49:49 2011 From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (boitrel) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2011 09:49:49 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem In-Reply-To: <008a01cbf30f$b26d7d10$17487730$@net> References: <008a01cbf30f$b26d7d10$17487730$@net> Message-ID: <4D9AC99D.6000600@univ-rennes1.fr> I think what Ron calls PCB motor is called "Flywheel Holder PCB" (part number 0C81428A) on page 19 of the SM. I know that because we discussed about this in the case of my BX300E (which has the same transport) cheers bernard Le 04/04/2011 23:31, Frank Baker a écrit : > > OK, I have ordered new belts from Marrs Communication. It’s a CR-7, > it should have the best. > > The pinch rollers spin freely when not in contact with the capstans > and appear to be parallel to them when in contact. > > Ron, there are 4 leads coming off the circuit board at the back of the > DD motor – black, purple, orange and green > > With the power on and the tape stopped, Black to Orange is 11.45 V. > Black to purple is 12.35 V. > > Also, please pardon my ignorance, but is what you call the motor PCB > what the service manual calls the logic PCB? I couldn’t find IC > M51721L either in the service manual or on the logic PCB itself, but I > may have been looking in the wrong place. A little additional > guidance would be appreciated. > > I also purchased a Tektronix scope off of eBay. It should arrive > sometime early next week. > > Thanks for all your help. > > Frank > > *From:*Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] > *Sent:* Sunday, April 03, 2011 9:24 AM > *To:* fsbaker77 at yahoo.com > *Subject:* [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem > > > The following is not conclusive... > > I would first (because its the easiest) check the pinch > rollers (should rotate freely and be clean and parallel > to capstans) and their arms (should make good, even > contact with the capstans). > > If the above is OK, I would check the capstan motor > electronics. Start with measurement of the 12V right > at the PCB. Should be 12VDC ± 5%. > > If OK: a failed driver IC will cause the symptom you > are experiencing, as will an open coil. To check, turn > power off and measure resistance between pins 9 and > 10 (then repeat for pins 11 and 12) of IC M51721L > on the motor PCB. If the results are equal in both > measurements, the coils are likely good. > > Then, turn the deck on and hang a 'scope across each > of these output pin pairs. Wait for slowdown. If > waveforms and levels are equal, the IC is likely good. > > Lacking a multimeter and/or 'scope, you can't really > diagnose this, but you can fall back on the time > honored ruse of blindly replacing the IC in the hope > it is the culprit (about 50% chance). However, be > aware that replacing this IC does require basic > knowledge of electronics servicing (e.g. make > absolutely sure the insulator is correctly in place > and smear a thin layer of heat sink compound on > both sides). > > Good luck, > > -- Ron > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:*Frank Baker > *To:* Ron > *Sent:* Sat, April 2, 2011 10:45:14 AM > *Subject:* RE: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem > > Hi Ron, > > It slows to a crawl and eventually stops. > > Frank > > *From:*Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] > *Sent:* Saturday, April 02, 2011 8:28 AM > *To:* fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem > > > If you let it play, does it slow to a crawl and eventually > stop, or does it continue at a reduced speed? Can you > hear increased wow? > > Does it happen with all cassettes? > > -- Ron > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:*Frank Baker > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Sent:* Fri, April 1, 2011 4:12:23 PM > *Subject:* [naktalk] CR-7A problem > > Hi All, > > I have a CR-7A which starts to slow down after 2 or 3 minutes of > playback. If I stop and restart it works OK for about a minute then > slows down again. I just replaced both belts, but that didn’t help at > all. I just rejoined the list after about 2 years off, so if this has > been recently discussed or handled, I apologize. Any ideas would be > appreciated. > > Frank > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr Tue Apr 5 09:54:14 2011 From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (boitrel) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2011 09:54:14 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem In-Reply-To: <008a01cbf30f$b26d7d10$17487730$@net> References: <008a01cbf30f$b26d7d10$17487730$@net> Message-ID: <4D9ACAA6.30606@univ-rennes1.fr> Ron, Could the problem of Frank's cr7 be the same of what it was with my BX300? (if you remember: motor driver and/or capstan washers too tighly pushed on the motor plate) bernard Le 04/04/2011 23:31, Frank Baker a écrit : > > OK, I have ordered new belts from Marrs Communication. It’s a CR-7, > it should have the best. > > The pinch rollers spin freely when not in contact with the capstans > and appear to be parallel to them when in contact. > > Ron, there are 4 leads coming off the circuit board at the back of the > DD motor – black, purple, orange and green > > With the power on and the tape stopped, Black to Orange is 11.45 V. > Black to purple is 12.35 V. > > Also, please pardon my ignorance, but is what you call the motor PCB > what the service manual calls the logic PCB? I couldn’t find IC > M51721L either in the service manual or on the logic PCB itself, but I > may have been looking in the wrong place. A little additional > guidance would be appreciated. > > I also purchased a Tektronix scope off of eBay. It should arrive > sometime early next week. > > Thanks for all your help. > > Frank > > *From:*Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] > *Sent:* Sunday, April 03, 2011 9:24 AM > *To:* fsbaker77 at yahoo.com > *Subject:* [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem > > > The following is not conclusive... > > I would first (because its the easiest) check the pinch > rollers (should rotate freely and be clean and parallel > to capstans) and their arms (should make good, even > contact with the capstans). > > If the above is OK, I would check the capstan motor > electronics. Start with measurement of the 12V right > at the PCB. Should be 12VDC ± 5%. > > If OK: a failed driver IC will cause the symptom you > are experiencing, as will an open coil. To check, turn > power off and measure resistance between pins 9 and > 10 (then repeat for pins 11 and 12) of IC M51721L > on the motor PCB. If the results are equal in both > measurements, the coils are likely good. > > Then, turn the deck on and hang a 'scope across each > of these output pin pairs. Wait for slowdown. If > waveforms and levels are equal, the IC is likely good. > > Lacking a multimeter and/or 'scope, you can't really > diagnose this, but you can fall back on the time > honored ruse of blindly replacing the IC in the hope > it is the culprit (about 50% chance). However, be > aware that replacing this IC does require basic > knowledge of electronics servicing (e.g. make > absolutely sure the insulator is correctly in place > and smear a thin layer of heat sink compound on > both sides). > > Good luck, > > -- Ron > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:*Frank Baker > *To:* Ron > *Sent:* Sat, April 2, 2011 10:45:14 AM > *Subject:* RE: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem > > Hi Ron, > > It slows to a crawl and eventually stops. > > Frank > > *From:*Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] > *Sent:* Saturday, April 02, 2011 8:28 AM > *To:* fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem > > > If you let it play, does it slow to a crawl and eventually > stop, or does it continue at a reduced speed? Can you > hear increased wow? > > Does it happen with all cassettes? > > -- Ron > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:*Frank Baker > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Sent:* Fri, April 1, 2011 4:12:23 PM > *Subject:* [naktalk] CR-7A problem > > Hi All, > > I have a CR-7A which starts to slow down after 2 or 3 minutes of > playback. If I stop and restart it works OK for about a minute then > slows down again. I just replaced both belts, but that didn’t help at > all. I just rejoined the list after about 2 years off, so if this has > been recently discussed or handled, I apologize. Any ideas would be > appreciated. > > Frank > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From perry.nak at comcast.net Tue Apr 5 14:59:48 2011 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 12:59:48 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 vs ZX-7 Message-ID: <2111443510.657246.1302008388838.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> I'm definitely counter to the crowd here and would always choose a ZX-7 over a CR-7, though to be honest, in a like minded price comparison, the cost of a ZX-9 and CR-7 are much closer. I wonder how many here would choose a CR-7 over a ZX-9? ZX-7s can be had for 1/2 or less than the price of CR-7, they are FAR easier and less expensive to work/be worked on, and once overhauled (which includes replacement of orange caps), you have a much higher chance of no issues much farther down the road. There is no comparison in the build qualities, the ZX-7 is far better. The CR-7 is just a basic DD Sanyo mechanism, identical to the CR-5, BX-300, etc, and as such, in REALITY it's W&F numbers are no better than a well serviced classic transport. The Sankyo mechanism is just "alright", while the classic transport is "superb". Every Sankyo transport I've worked on (not just Nakamichi, but Yamaha, too) has the same issues, lousy reel motors, chintzy index motor and switches, take-up bearing whine (varying degrees depending on the DD deck, sometimes, pretty bad. The non DD decks don't have this issue) and only fair speed Drift control. There is always a larger difference in speed between the beginning and end of a tape, and between a low friction and high friction tape on Sankyo decks, yet a well serviced classic transport handles them all the same, and better. The differences aren't huge by any stretch, and I'm not saying Sankyo transports are inferior or junk, but when you do the measurements, they are always there. The CR-7 uses far more oddball transistors and custom ICs, than the ZX-7, though the CR-7 has far better electrolytic caps. I definitely prefer the full manual "Keys to the Kingdom" tape recording over the full auto on the CR-7, and the display on the CR-7 gives far more information. CR-7s are going for a hefty premium now, and I'm not sure why, as this has only happened in the last year or so, while ZX-7/9s have been steadily increasing at moderate rates, so I'd also be a little leery of paying for the hot item now, and having it drop in value, though that is only really a small consideration, I'll admit. Most of us don't intentionally buy Naks as investments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Tue Apr 5 17:10:34 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 08:10:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem In-Reply-To: <008a01cbf30f$b26d7d10$17487730$@net> References: <008a01cbf30f$b26d7d10$17487730$@net> Message-ID: <443342.40163.qm@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Ron, there are 4 leads coming off the circuit board at the back of the DD motor >– black, purple, orange and green > With the power on and the tape stopped, Black to Orange is 11.45 V. Black to >purple is 12.35 V. > Orange to Black is what you want to measure. Should be 11.7V (nominally), so 11.4 is acceptable. However, do measure again, with a cassette running, before and after slow down. Normally, it should be slightly lower and stable. If it goes lower and lower as speed drops, it would indicate the problem is in that circuit. > ... is what you call the motor PCB what the service manual calls the logic PCB? No. What I call motor PCB is the small PCB attached to the capstan motor. Layout is not shown in the service manual, because Nakamichi viewed the whole motor as a single replaceable component, but I believe you can find photos and parts identification on the Naks.com wiki page, in a file for the Sankyo transport. Schematic is shown in the service manual, Fig 8.2.3, under the logic PCB schematic, in a block marked 'Motor PCB'. > I also purchased a Tektronix scope off of eBay. Congrats. Just curious: what model did you get? Keep up posted, -- Ron From: Frank Baker To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Mon, April 4, 2011 5:31:42 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem OK, I have ordered new belts from Marrs Communication. It’s a CR-7, it should have the best. The pinch rollers spin freely when not in contact with the capstans and appear to be parallel to them when in contact. Ron, there are 4 leads coming off the circuit board at the back of the DD motor – black, purple, orange and green With the power on and the tape stopped, Black to Orange is 11.45 V. Black to purple is 12.35 V. Also, please pardon my ignorance, but is what you call the motor PCB what the service manual calls the logic PCB? I couldn’t find IC M51721L either in the service manual or on the logic PCB itself, but I may have been looking in the wrong place. A little additional guidance would be appreciated. I also purchased a Tektronix scope off of eBay. It should arrive sometime early next week. Thanks for all your help. Frank From:Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 9:24 AM To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem The following is not conclusive... I would first (because its the easiest) check the pinch rollers (should rotate freely and be clean and parallel to capstans) and their arms (should make good, even contact with the capstans). If the above is OK, I would check the capstan motor electronics. Start with measurement of the 12V right at the PCB. Should be 12VDC ± 5%. If OK: a failed driver IC will cause the symptom you are experiencing, as will an open coil. To check, turn power off and measure resistance between pins 9 and 10 (then repeat for pins 11 and 12) of IC M51721L on the motor PCB. If the results are equal in both measurements, the coils are likely good. Then, turn the deck on and hang a 'scope across each of these output pin pairs. Wait for slowdown. If waveforms and levels are equal, the IC is likely good. Lacking a multimeter and/or 'scope, you can't really diagnose this, but you can fall back on the time honored ruse of blindly replacing the IC in the hope it is the culprit (about 50% chance). However, be aware that replacing this IC does require basic knowledge of electronics servicing (e.g. make absolutely sure the insulator is correctly in place and smear a thin layer of heat sink compound on both sides). Good luck, -- Ron ________________________________ From:Frank Baker To: Ron Sent: Sat, April 2, 2011 10:45:14 AM Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem Hi Ron, It slows to a crawl and eventually stops. Frank From:Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 8:28 AM To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem If you let it play, does it slow to a crawl and eventually stop, or does it continue at a reduced speed? Can you hear increased wow? Does it happen with all cassettes? -- Ron ________________________________ From:Frank Baker To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 4:12:23 PM Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem Hi All, I have a CR-7A which starts to slow down after 2 or 3 minutes of playback. If I stop and restart it works OK for about a minute then slows down again. I just replaced both belts, but that didn’t help at all. I just rejoined the list after about 2 years off, so if this has been recently discussed or handled, I apologize. Any ideas would be appreciated. Frank -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Tue Apr 5 17:14:11 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 08:14:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem In-Reply-To: <4D9ACAA6.30606@univ-rennes1.fr> References: <008a01cbf30f$b26d7d10$17487730$@net> <4D9ACAA6.30606@univ-rennes1.fr> Message-ID: <232060.16872.qm@web130107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes, it could, among several other possibilities. -- Ron ________________________________ From: boitrel To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, April 5, 2011 3:54:14 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem Ron, Could the problem of Frank's cr7 be the same of what it was with my BX300? (if you remember: motor driver and/or capstan washers too tighly pushed on the motor plate) bernard Le 04/04/2011 23:31, Frank Baker a écrit : >OK, I have ordered new belts from Marrs Communication. It’s a CR-7, >it should have the best. > >The pinch rollers spin freely when not in contact with the capstans >and appear to be parallel to them when in contact. > >Ron, there are 4 leads coming off the circuit board at the back of >the DD motor – black, purple, orange and green > >With the power on and the tape stopped, Black to Orange is 11.45 V. >Black to purple is 12.35 V. > > >Also, please pardon my ignorance, but is what you call the motor PCB >what the service manual calls the logic PCB? I couldn’t find IC >M51721L either in the service manual or on the logic PCB itself, but >I may have been looking in the wrong place. A little additional >guidance would be appreciated. > >I also purchased a Tektronix scope off of eBay. It should arrive >sometime early next week. > > >Thanks for all your help. > >Frank > > > >From:Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] >Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 9:24 AM >To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com >Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem > > >The following is not conclusive... > >I would first (because its the easiest) check the pinch >rollers (should rotate freely and be clean and parallel >to capstans) and their arms (should make good, even >contact with the capstans). > >If the above is OK, I would check the capstan motor >electronics. Start with measurement of the 12V right >at the PCB. Should be 12VDC ± 5%. > >If OK: a failed driver IC will cause the symptom you >are experiencing, as will an open coil. To check, turn >power off and measure resistance between pins 9 and >10 (then repeat for pins 11 and 12) of IC M51721L >on the motor PCB. If the results are equal in both >measurements, the coils are likely good. > >Then, turn the deck on and hang a 'scope across each >of these output pin pairs. Wait for slowdown. If >waveforms and levels are equal, the IC is likely good. > >Lacking a multimeter and/or 'scope, you can't really >diagnose this, but you can fall back on the time >honored ruse of blindly replacing the IC in the hope >it is the culprit (about 50% chance). However, be >aware that replacing this IC does require basic >knowledge of electronics servicing (e.g. make >absolutely sure the insulator is correctly in place >and smear a thin layer of heat sink compound on >both sides). > >Good luck, > >-- Ron > > ________________________________ >From:Frank Baker >To: Ron >Sent: Sat, April 2, 2011 10:45:14 AM >Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem >Hi Ron, > >It slows to a crawl and eventually stops. > >Frank > >From:Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] >Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 8:28 AM >To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >Decks >Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem > > >If you let it play, does it slow to a crawl and eventually > >stop, or does it continue at a reduced speed? Can you >hear increased wow? > >Does it happen with all cassettes? > >-- Ron > ________________________________ >From:Frank Baker >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 4:12:23 PM >Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem >Hi All, > >I have a CR-7A which starts to slow down after 2 or 3 >minutes of playback. If I stop and restart it works >OK for about a minute then slows down again. I just >replaced both belts, but that didn’t help at all. I >just rejoined the list after about 2 years off, so if >this has been recently discussed or handled, I >apologize. 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URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Tue Apr 5 17:20:56 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 08:20:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 vs ZX-7 In-Reply-To: <2111443510.657246.1302008388838.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <2111443510.657246.1302008388838.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <618133.70874.qm@web130124.mail.mud.yahoo.com> While I disagree with much of what you say, I note that you didn't allude to the most important (to me) aspect of the comparison: how do they sound. -- Ron ________________________________ From: "perry.nak at comcast.net" To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tue, April 5, 2011 8:59:48 AM Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 vs ZX-7 I'm definitely counter to the crowd here and would always choose a ZX-7 over a CR-7, though to be honest, in a like minded price comparison, the cost of a ZX-9 and CR-7 are much closer. I wonder how many here would choose a CR-7 over a ZX-9? ZX-7s can be had for 1/2 or less than the price of CR-7, they are FAR easier and less expensive to work/be worked on, and once overhauled (which includes replacement of orange caps), you have a much higher chance of no issues much farther down the road. There is no comparison in the build qualities, the ZX-7 is far better. The CR-7 is just a basic DD Sanyo mechanism, identical to the CR-5, BX-300, etc, and as such, in REALITY it's W&F numbers are no better than a well serviced classic transport. The Sankyo mechanism is just "alright", while the classic transport is "superb". Every Sankyo transport I've worked on (not just Nakamichi, but Yamaha, too) has the same issues, lousy reel motors, chintzy index motor and switches, take-up bearing whine (varying degrees depending on the DD deck, sometimes, pretty bad. The non DD decks don't have this issue) and only fair speed Drift control. There is always a larger difference in speed between the beginning and end of a tape, and between a low friction and high friction tape on Sankyo decks, yet a well serviced classic transport handles them all the same, and better. The differences aren't huge by any stretch, and I'm not saying Sankyo transports are inferior or junk, but when you do the measurements, they are always there. The CR-7 uses far more oddball transistors and custom ICs, than the ZX-7, though the CR-7 has far better electrolytic caps. I definitely prefer the full manual "Keys to the Kingdom" tape recording over the full auto on the CR-7, and the display on the CR-7 gives far more information. CR-7s are going for a hefty premium now, and I'm not sure why, as this has only happened in the last year or so, while ZX-7/9s have been steadily increasing at moderate rates, so I'd also be a little leery of paying for the hot item now, and having it drop in value, though that is only really a small consideration, I'll admit. Most of us don't intentionally buy Naks as investments. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From r1seals at yahoo.com Tue Apr 5 17:10:25 2011 From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 08:10:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 vs ZX-7 In-Reply-To: <2111443510.657246.1302008388838.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <50178.6409.qm@web113310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Perry  ya know I am kinda of leaning that way as well with the classic transport thing ever since i got a 480 it just handles the tape better just my opinion   I have a few bx 300s but your right about that transport and i know others have in the past said the same thing about the two, just wish that nak kept the classic transport in all nak decks I also had Tom go through a LX-5 for me and i love it to has better pinch rollers better idle tier and i bet that it stays in adjustment longer as well.  But I have not had a CR-7 so can't comment  on that machine but what others have said about it  is more cd sounding  than the classic nak decks  BTW do you think that the rubber on the classic pinch rollers are different rubber than  sanko rubber to me it just seems like what nak put in the classics just holds up much better   and Perry sorry to here about the test tapes that got ruined on the CR-7  bummer --- On Tue, 4/5/11, perry.nak at comcast.net wrote: From: perry.nak at comcast.net Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 vs ZX-7 To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2011, 7:59 AM #yiv502079628 p {margin:0;}I'm definitely counter to the crowd here and would always choose a ZX-7 over a CR-7, though to be honest, in a like minded price comparison, the cost of a ZX-9 and CR-7 are much closer. I wonder how many here would choose a CR-7 over a ZX-9? ZX-7s can be had for 1/2 or less than the price of CR-7, they are FAR easier and less expensive to work/be worked on, and once overhauled (which includes replacement of orange caps), you have a much higher chance of no issues much farther down the road. There is no comparison in the build qualities, the ZX-7 is far better.  The CR-7 is just a basic DD Sanyo mechanism, identical to the CR-5, BX-300, etc, and as such, in REALITY it's W&F numbers are no better than a well serviced classic transport. The Sankyo mechanism is just "alright", while the classic transport is "superb". Every Sankyo transport I've worked on (not just Nakamichi, but Yamaha, too) has the same issues, lousy reel motors, chintzy index motor and switches, take-up bearing whine (varying degrees depending on the DD deck, sometimes, pretty bad.  The non DD decks don't have this issue) and only fair speed Drift control. There is always a larger difference in speed between the beginning and end of a tape, and between a low friction and high friction tape on Sankyo decks, yet a well serviced classic transport handles them all the same, and better. The differences aren't huge by any stretch, and I'm not saying Sankyo transports are inferior or junk, but when you do the measurements, they are always there.  The CR-7 uses far more oddball transistors and custom ICs, than the ZX-7, though the CR-7 has far better electrolytic caps. I definitely prefer the full manual "Keys to the Kingdom" tape recording over the full auto on the CR-7, and the display on the CR-7 gives far more information.  CR-7s are going for a hefty premium now, and I'm not sure why, as this has only happened in the last year or so, while ZX-7/9s have been steadily increasing at moderate rates, so I'd also be a little leery of paying for the hot item now, and having it drop in value, though that is only really a small consideration, I'll admit.  Most of us don't intentionally buy Naks as investments. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fsbaker77 at att.net Tue Apr 5 17:16:40 2011 From: fsbaker77 at att.net (Frank Baker) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 11:16:40 -0400 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem In-Reply-To: <4D9ACAA6.30606@univ-rennes1.fr> References: <008a01cbf30f$b26d7d10$17487730$@net> <4D9ACAA6.30606@univ-rennes1.fr> Message-ID: <005a01cbf3a4$77d4ec20$677ec460$@net> Well, the problem seems to be fixed! Last night I lubricated the capstans and ran it for about 2 hours without a problem. It has now played flawlessly for about 4 hours this morning so I am pretty sure that was the problem. I want to thank all of you from the bottom of my heart for your help. So many people were willing to pitch in with suggestions to help a fellow Nak-lover. It’s really great to know that there is a community out there that is willing to support one another. Frank From: boitrel [mailto:bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr] Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 3:54 AM To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem Ron, Could the problem of Frank's cr7 be the same of what it was with my BX300? (if you remember: motor driver and/or capstan washers too tighly pushed on the motor plate) bernard Le 04/04/2011 23:31, Frank Baker a écrit : OK, I have ordered new belts from Marrs Communication. It’s a CR-7, it should have the best. The pinch rollers spin freely when not in contact with the capstans and appear to be parallel to them when in contact. Ron, there are 4 leads coming off the circuit board at the back of the DD motor – black, purple, orange and green With the power on and the tape stopped, Black to Orange is 11.45 V. Black to purple is 12.35 V. Also, please pardon my ignorance, but is what you call the motor PCB what the service manual calls the logic PCB? I couldn’t find IC M51721L either in the service manual or on the logic PCB itself, but I may have been looking in the wrong place. A little additional guidance would be appreciated. I also purchased a Tektronix scope off of eBay. It should arrive sometime early next week. Thanks for all your help. Frank From: Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 9:24 AM To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem The following is not conclusive... I would first (because its the easiest) check the pinch rollers (should rotate freely and be clean and parallel to capstans) and their arms (should make good, even contact with the capstans). If the above is OK, I would check the capstan motor electronics. Start with measurement of the 12V right at the PCB. Should be 12VDC ± 5%. If OK: a failed driver IC will cause the symptom you are experiencing, as will an open coil. To check, turn power off and measure resistance between pins 9 and 10 (then repeat for pins 11 and 12) of IC M51721L on the motor PCB. If the results are equal in both measurements, the coils are likely good. Then, turn the deck on and hang a 'scope across each of these output pin pairs. Wait for slowdown. If waveforms and levels are equal, the IC is likely good. Lacking a multimeter and/or 'scope, you can't really diagnose this, but you can fall back on the time honored ruse of blindly replacing the IC in the hope it is the culprit (about 50% chance). However, be aware that replacing this IC does require basic knowledge of electronics servicing (e.g. make absolutely sure the insulator is correctly in place and smear a thin layer of heat sink compound on both sides). Good luck, -- Ron _____ From: Frank Baker To: Ron Sent: Sat, April 2, 2011 10:45:14 AM Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem Hi Ron, It slows to a crawl and eventually stops. Frank From: Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 8:28 AM To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem If you let it play, does it slow to a crawl and eventually stop, or does it continue at a reduced speed? Can you hear increased wow? Does it happen with all cassettes? -- Ron _____ From: Frank Baker To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 4:12:23 PM Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem Hi All, I have a CR-7A which starts to slow down after 2 or 3 minutes of playback. If I stop and restart it works OK for about a minute then slows down again. I just replaced both belts, but that didn’t help at all. I just rejoined the list after about 2 years off, so if this has been recently discussed or handled, I apologize. Any ideas would be appreciated. Frank ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fsbaker77 at att.net Tue Apr 5 17:25:39 2011 From: fsbaker77 at att.net (Frank Baker) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 11:25:39 -0400 Subject: FW: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem Message-ID: <006501cbf3a5$b99e64f0$2cdb2ed0$@net> Thanks for the clarifications, but as I posted in an earlier message, Lubricating the capstans seems to have fixed the problem. I picked up a Tektronix 2232 which has just been calibrated. Frank From: Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 11:11 AM To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem > Ron, there are 4 leads coming off the circuit board at the back of the DD motor – black, purple, orange and green > With the power on and the tape stopped, Black to Orange is 11.45 V. Black to purple is 12.35 V. Orange to Black is what you want to measure. Should be 11.7V (nominally), so 11.4 is acceptable. However, do measure again, with a cassette running, before and after slow down. Normally, it should be slightly lower and stable. If it goes lower and lower as speed drops, it would indicate the problem is in that circuit. > ... is what you call the motor PCB what the service manual calls the logic PCB? No. What I call motor PCB is the small PCB attached to the capstan motor. Layout is not shown in the service manual, because Nakamichi viewed the whole motor as a single replaceable component, but I believe you can find photos and parts identification on the Naks.com wiki page, in a file for the Sankyo transport. Schematic is shown in the service manual, Fig 8.2.3, under the logic PCB schematic, in a block marked 'Motor PCB'. > I also purchased a Tektronix scope off of eBay. Congrats. Just curious: what model did you get? Keep up posted, -- Ron From: Frank Baker To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Mon, April 4, 2011 5:31:42 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem OK, I have ordered new belts from Marrs Communication. It’s a CR-7, it should have the best. The pinch rollers spin freely when not in contact with the capstans and appear to be parallel to them when in contact. Ron, there are 4 leads coming off the circuit board at the back of the DD motor – black, purple, orange and green With the power on and the tape stopped, Black to Orange is 11.45 V. Black to purple is 12.35 V. Also, please pardon my ignorance, but is what you call the motor PCB what the service manual calls the logic PCB? I couldn’t find IC M51721L either in the service manual or on the logic PCB itself, but I may have been looking in the wrong place. A little additional guidance would be appreciated. I also purchased a Tektronix scope off of eBay. It should arrive sometime early next week. Thanks for all your help. Frank From: Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 9:24 AM To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem The following is not conclusive... I would first (because its the easiest) check the pinch rollers (should rotate freely and be clean and parallel to capstans) and their arms (should make good, even contact with the capstans). If the above is OK, I would check the capstan motor electronics. Start with measurement of the 12V right at the PCB. Should be 12VDC ± 5%. If OK: a failed driver IC will cause the symptom you are experiencing, as will an open coil. To check, turn power off and measure resistance between pins 9 and 10 (then repeat for pins 11 and 12) of IC M51721L on the motor PCB. If the results are equal in both measurements, the coils are likely good. Then, turn the deck on and hang a 'scope across each of these output pin pairs. Wait for slowdown. If waveforms and levels are equal, the IC is likely good. Lacking a multimeter and/or 'scope, you can't really diagnose this, but you can fall back on the time honored ruse of blindly replacing the IC in the hope it is the culprit (about 50% chance). However, be aware that replacing this IC does require basic knowledge of electronics servicing (e.g. make absolutely sure the insulator is correctly in place and smear a thin layer of heat sink compound on both sides). Good luck, -- Ron _____ From: Frank Baker To: Ron Sent: Sat, April 2, 2011 10:45:14 AM Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem Hi Ron, It slows to a crawl and eventually stops. Frank From: Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 8:28 AM To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem If you let it play, does it slow to a crawl and eventually stop, or does it continue at a reduced speed? Can you hear increased wow? Does it happen with all cassettes? -- Ron _____ From: Frank Baker To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 4:12:23 PM Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem Hi All, I have a CR-7A which starts to slow down after 2 or 3 minutes of playback. If I stop and restart it works OK for about a minute then slows down again. I just replaced both belts, but that didn’t help at all. I just rejoined the list after about 2 years off, so if this has been recently discussed or handled, I apologize. Any ideas would be appreciated. Frank -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fred at marrscom.com Tue Apr 5 18:18:41 2011 From: fred at marrscom.com (Fred Marrs) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2011 11:18:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 4-5-11 UPDATE, Nakamichi Factory Belt Kits Message-ID: <4D9B40E1.8020102@marrscom.com> *4-5-11 UPDATE Just want to give everyone an Update on my Nakamichi, Akai and Aiwa Factory Belt Supply from Japan I place a Stock Order last Thursday 3-30. I received Confirmation today by email. I still have not had contact by Phone. No further information. Fred M. * From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 5 22:59:57 2011 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 13:59:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem In-Reply-To: <006501cbf3a5$b99e64f0$2cdb2ed0$@net> References: <006501cbf3a5$b99e64f0$2cdb2ed0$@net> Message-ID: <426231.29128.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I like Tektronix scopes.  Recently sold my TDS320 and 2220 scopes, but, still have my TDS644A, 7704A, 7313, a couple 305's and a couple SC502's On your 2232 try this easter egg. 1. turn the scope on 2. push the "ADV FUNKT" button once 3. push the "SAVE REF. 3" two times 5. move the "CURSOR" 6. now you have reached the so called "secret menu" here you can see a wizzard on a scateboard or the "TECTRONIX" logo or you can clear all memories. Found on this site. http://www.eeggs.com/items/11778.html ________________________________ From: Frank Baker To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, April 5, 2011 8:25:39 AM Subject: FW: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem Thanks for the clarifications, but as I posted in an earlier message, Lubricating the capstans seems to have fixed the problem.   I picked up a Tektronix 2232 which has just been calibrated.   Frank   From:Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 11:11 AM To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem   > Ron, there are 4 leads coming off the circuit board at the back of the DD motor >– black, purple, orange and green > With the power on and the tape stopped, Black to Orange is 11.45 V.  Black to >purple is 12.35 V.  > Orange to Black is what you want to measure. Should be 11.7V (nominally), so 11.4 is acceptable. However, do measure again, with a cassette running, before and after slow down. Normally, it should be slightly lower and stable. If it goes lower and lower as speed drops, it would indicate the problem is in that circuit. > ... is what you call the motor PCB what the service manual calls the logic PCB? No. What I call motor PCB is the small PCB attached to the capstan motor. Layout is not shown in the service manual, because Nakamichi viewed the whole motor as a single replaceable component, but I believe you can find photos and parts identification on the Naks.com wiki page, in a file for the Sankyo transport. Schematic is shown in the service manual, Fig 8.2.3, under the logic PCB schematic, in a block marked 'Motor PCB'. > I also purchased a Tektronix scope off of eBay. Congrats. Just curious: what model did you get? Keep up posted, -- Ron From: Frank Baker To:Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Mon, April 4, 2011 5:31:42 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem OK, I have ordered new belts from Marrs Communication.  It’s a CR-7, it should have the best.   The pinch rollers spin freely when not in contact with the capstans and appear to be parallel to them when in contact.   Ron, there are 4 leads coming off the circuit board at the back of the DD motor – black, purple, orange and green   With the power on and the tape stopped, Black to Orange is 11.45 V.  Black to purple is 12.35 V.    Also, please pardon my ignorance, but is what you call the motor PCB what the service manual calls the logic PCB?  I couldn’t find IC M51721L either in the service manual or on the logic PCB itself, but I may have been looking in the wrong place.  A little additional guidance would be appreciated.   I also purchased a Tektronix scope off of eBay.  It should arrive sometime early next week.    Thanks for all your help.   Frank       From:Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 9:24 AM To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem   The following is not conclusive... I would first (because its the easiest) check the pinch rollers (should rotate freely and be clean and parallel to capstans) and their arms (should make good, even contact with the capstans). If the above is OK, I would check the capstan motor electronics. Start with measurement of the 12V right at the PCB. Should be 12VDC ± 5%. If OK: a failed driver IC will cause the symptom you are experiencing, as will an open coil. To check, turn power off and measure resistance between pins 9 and 10 (then repeat for pins 11 and 12) of IC M51721L on the motor PCB. If the results are equal in both measurements, the coils are likely good. Then, turn the deck on and hang a 'scope across each of these output pin pairs. Wait for slowdown. If waveforms and levels are equal, the IC is likely good. Lacking a multimeter and/or 'scope, you can't really diagnose this, but you can fall back on the time honored ruse of blindly replacing the IC in the hope it is the culprit (about 50% chance). However, be aware that replacing this IC does require basic knowledge of electronics servicing (e.g. make absolutely sure the insulator is correctly in place and smear a thin layer of heat sink compound on both sides). Good luck, -- Ron   ________________________________ From:Frank Baker To: Ron Sent: Sat, April 2, 2011 10:45:14 AM Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem Hi Ron,   It slows to a crawl and eventually stops.   Frank   From:Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 8:28 AM To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem   If you let it play, does it slow to a crawl and eventually stop, or does it continue at a reduced speed? Can you hear increased wow? Does it happen with all cassettes? -- Ron ________________________________ From:Frank Baker To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 4:12:23 PM Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem Hi All,   I have a CR-7A which starts to slow down after 2 or 3 minutes of playback.  If I stop and restart it works OK for about a minute then slows down again.  I just replaced both belts, but that didn’t help at all.  I just rejoined the list after about 2 years off, so if this has been recently discussed or handled, I apologize.  Any ideas would be appreciated.    Frank -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bala _____ From: Norman van Wijnen To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, April 5, 2011 6:15:38 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000ZXL parts Hi all, I have a little problem with the Nakamichi RAMM Board on my 1000ZXL. The connector CN29 has a broken contact. So I have to replace the connector I think and I wonder if there are spare parts on Naktalk for this deck. Maybe a spare RAMM board or a spare connector ? The manual give us a part number F12P-SHVQ. Thx Norman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 6 00:15:52 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 15:15:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem In-Reply-To: <426231.29128.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <006501cbf3a5$b99e64f0$2cdb2ed0$@net> <426231.29128.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <909784.5435.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The Tek TDS 420A has a special place in my heart - real solid unit. I still hope to get one to replace my current scope. Bala ________________________________ From: Scott Johnson To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wed, April 6, 2011 6:59:57 AM Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem I like Tektronix scopes. Recently sold my TDS320 and 2220 scopes, but, still have my TDS644A, 7704A, 7313, a couple 305's and a couple SC502's On your 2232 try this easter egg. 1. turn the scope on 2. push the "ADV FUNKT" button once 3. push the "SAVE REF. 3" two times 5. move the "CURSOR" 6. now you have reached the so called "secret menu" here you can see a wizzard on a scateboard or the "TECTRONIX" logo or you can clear all memories. Found on this site. http://www.eeggs.com/items/11778.html ________________________________ From: Frank Baker To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, April 5, 2011 8:25:39 AM Subject: FW: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem Thanks for the clarifications, but as I posted in an earlier message, Lubricating the capstans seems to have fixed the problem. I picked up a Tektronix 2232 which has just been calibrated. Frank From:Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 11:11 AM To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem > Ron, there are 4 leads coming off the circuit board at the back of the DD motor >– black, purple, orange and green > With the power on and the tape stopped, Black to Orange is 11.45 V. Black to >purple is 12.35 V. > Orange to Black is what you want to measure. Should be 11.7V (nominally), so 11.4 is acceptable. However, do measure again, with a cassette running, before and after slow down. Normally, it should be slightly lower and stable. If it goes lower and lower as speed drops, it would indicate the problem is in that circuit. > ... is what you call the motor PCB what the service manual calls the logic PCB? No. What I call motor PCB is the small PCB attached to the capstan motor. Layout is not shown in the service manual, because Nakamichi viewed the whole motor as a single replaceable component, but I believe you can find photos and parts identification on the Naks.com wiki page, in a file for the Sankyo transport. Schematic is shown in the service manual, Fig 8.2.3, under the logic PCB schematic, in a block marked 'Motor PCB'. > I also purchased a Tektronix scope off of eBay. Congrats. Just curious: what model did you get? Keep up posted, -- Ron From: Frank Baker To:Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Mon, April 4, 2011 5:31:42 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem OK, I have ordered new belts from Marrs Communication. It’s a CR-7, it should have the best. The pinch rollers spin freely when not in contact with the capstans and appear to be parallel to them when in contact. Ron, there are 4 leads coming off the circuit board at the back of the DD motor – black, purple, orange and green With the power on and the tape stopped, Black to Orange is 11.45 V. Black to purple is 12.35 V. Also, please pardon my ignorance, but is what you call the motor PCB what the service manual calls the logic PCB? I couldn’t find IC M51721L either in the service manual or on the logic PCB itself, but I may have been looking in the wrong place. A little additional guidance would be appreciated. I also purchased a Tektronix scope off of eBay. It should arrive sometime early next week. Thanks for all your help. Frank From:Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 9:24 AM To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem The following is not conclusive... I would first (because its the easiest) check the pinch rollers (should rotate freely and be clean and parallel to capstans) and their arms (should make good, even contact with the capstans). If the above is OK, I would check the capstan motor electronics. Start with measurement of the 12V right at the PCB. Should be 12VDC ± 5%. If OK: a failed driver IC will cause the symptom you are experiencing, as will an open coil. To check, turn power off and measure resistance between pins 9 and 10 (then repeat for pins 11 and 12) of IC M51721L on the motor PCB. If the results are equal in both measurements, the coils are likely good. Then, turn the deck on and hang a 'scope across each of these output pin pairs. Wait for slowdown. If waveforms and levels are equal, the IC is likely good. Lacking a multimeter and/or 'scope, you can't really diagnose this, but you can fall back on the time honored ruse of blindly replacing the IC in the hope it is the culprit (about 50% chance). However, be aware that replacing this IC does require basic knowledge of electronics servicing (e.g. make absolutely sure the insulator is correctly in place and smear a thin layer of heat sink compound on both sides). Good luck, -- Ron ________________________________ From:Frank Baker To: Ron Sent: Sat, April 2, 2011 10:45:14 AM Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem Hi Ron, It slows to a crawl and eventually stops. Frank From:Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 8:28 AM To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem If you let it play, does it slow to a crawl and eventually stop, or does it continue at a reduced speed? Can you hear increased wow? Does it happen with all cassettes? -- Ron ________________________________ From:Frank Baker To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 4:12:23 PM Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem Hi All, I have a CR-7A which starts to slow down after 2 or 3 minutes of playback. If I stop and restart it works OK for about a minute then slows down again. I just replaced both belts, but that didn’t help at all. I just rejoined the list after about 2 years off, so if this has been recently discussed or handled, I apologize. Any ideas would be appreciated. Frank -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 6 01:34:46 2011 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 16:34:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem In-Reply-To: <909784.5435.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <006501cbf3a5$b99e64f0$2cdb2ed0$@net> <426231.29128.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <909784.5435.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <381790.82810.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >The Tek TDS 420A has a special place in my heart - real solid unit. Really.  (Let me just preface this by saying that I'm a real BIG test equipment snob.) I always thought the TDS4xx series sucked.  I used one at PairGain back when it was current. The TDS420A has a 4-channel with 200MHz bandwidth, but, the sample rate is only 100 Megasamples/sec (on all channels simultaneously) at 100ns/div it only captures 10 samples/div.  Anything faster and it has to use ET or Effective Time which works on repeating waveforms, but, for fast glitch it's worthless, which is what I tried to use it for. The TDS320 is a 2-channel, 100MHz bandwidth, but, despite having a lower series model number it has a sample rate 5 times faster. Sample rate is 500 Megasample/sec (on all channels simultaneously) that means it can go up to 20ns/div and show 10 samples/div.  A real advantage for capturing a fast glitch. I need faster so that TDS320 had to go since I have a TDS644A and love it.  4 channel, 500MHz, color LCD shutter display, 2 Gigasample per second on all channels simultaneously.  The TDS5xx series is almost identical to the TDS6xx series except for one BIG difference, the TDS5xx series does not do simultaneous capture on all channels.  For example it (depending on the model) can do 2GSa/sec on 1 channel, but, on 2 channels it's only captures at 1GSa/sec on each channel and when you go 3 or 4 channels it drops to 500MSa/sec.  TDS6xx are all full speed regardless of the number of channels. These days the big TDS644A is just too difficult to take anywhere.  I have a Rigol 1052E for that.  I could go into all the ways the 1052E sucks, but, for the price, size, weight, portability I grin and bear it. ________________________________ From: Bala Ganesh Chandra To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, April 5, 2011 3:15:52 PM Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem The Tek TDS 420A has a special place in my heart - real solid unit. I still hope to get one to replace my current scope. Bala ________________________________ From: Scott Johnson To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wed, April 6, 2011 6:59:57 AM Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem I like Tektronix scopes.  Recently sold my TDS320 and 2220 scopes, but, still have my TDS644A, 7704A, 7313, a couple 305's and a couple SC502's On your 2232 try this easter egg. 1. turn the scope on 2. push the "ADV FUNKT" button once 3. push the "SAVE REF. 3" two times 5. move the "CURSOR" 6. now you have reached the so called "secret menu" here you can see a wizzard on a scateboard or the "TECTRONIX" logo or you can clear all memories. Found on this site. http://www.eeggs.com/items/11778.html ________________________________ From: Frank Baker To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, April 5, 2011 8:25:39 AM Subject: FW: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem Thanks for the clarifications, but as I posted in an earlier message, Lubricating the capstans seems to have fixed the problem.   I picked up a Tektronix 2232 which has just been calibrated.   Frank   From:Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 11:11 AM To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem   > Ron, there are 4 leads coming off the circuit board at the back of the DD motor >– black, purple, orange and green > With the power on and the tape stopped, Black to Orange is 11.45 V.  Black to >purple is 12.35 V.  > Orange to Black is what you want to measure. Should be 11.7V (nominally), so 11.4 is acceptable. However, do measure again, with a cassette running, before and after slow down. Normally, it should be slightly lower and stable. If it goes lower and lower as speed drops, it would indicate the problem is in that circuit. > ... is what you call the motor PCB what the service manual calls the logic PCB? No. What I call motor PCB is the small PCB attached to the capstan motor. Layout is not shown in the service manual, because Nakamichi viewed the whole motor as a single replaceable component, but I believe you can find photos and parts identification on the Naks.com wiki page, in a file for the Sankyo transport. Schematic is shown in the service manual, Fig 8.2.3, under the logic PCB schematic, in a block marked 'Motor PCB'. > I also purchased a Tektronix scope off of eBay. Congrats. Just curious: what model did you get? Keep up posted, -- Ron From: Frank Baker To:Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Mon, April 4, 2011 5:31:42 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem OK, I have ordered new belts from Marrs Communication.  It’s a CR-7, it should have the best.   The pinch rollers spin freely when not in contact with the capstans and appear to be parallel to them when in contact.   Ron, there are 4 leads coming off the circuit board at the back of the DD motor – black, purple, orange and green   With the power on and the tape stopped, Black to Orange is 11.45 V.  Black to purple is 12.35 V.    Also, please pardon my ignorance, but is what you call the motor PCB what the service manual calls the logic PCB?  I couldn’t find IC M51721L either in the service manual or on the logic PCB itself, but I may have been looking in the wrong place.  A little additional guidance would be appreciated.   I also purchased a Tektronix scope off of eBay.  It should arrive sometime early next week.    Thanks for all your help.   Frank       From:Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 9:24 AM To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem   The following is not conclusive... I would first (because its the easiest) check the pinch rollers (should rotate freely and be clean and parallel to capstans) and their arms (should make good, even contact with the capstans). If the above is OK, I would check the capstan motor electronics. Start with measurement of the 12V right at the PCB. Should be 12VDC ± 5%. If OK: a failed driver IC will cause the symptom you are experiencing, as will an open coil. To check, turn power off and measure resistance between pins 9 and 10 (then repeat for pins 11 and 12) of IC M51721L on the motor PCB. If the results are equal in both measurements, the coils are likely good. Then, turn the deck on and hang a 'scope across each of these output pin pairs. Wait for slowdown. If waveforms and levels are equal, the IC is likely good. Lacking a multimeter and/or 'scope, you can't really diagnose this, but you can fall back on the time honored ruse of blindly replacing the IC in the hope it is the culprit (about 50% chance). However, be aware that replacing this IC does require basic knowledge of electronics servicing (e.g. make absolutely sure the insulator is correctly in place and smear a thin layer of heat sink compound on both sides). Good luck, -- Ron   ________________________________ From:Frank Baker To: Ron Sent: Sat, April 2, 2011 10:45:14 AM Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem Hi Ron,   It slows to a crawl and eventually stops.   Frank   From:Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 8:28 AM To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem   If you let it play, does it slow to a crawl and eventually stop, or does it continue at a reduced speed? Can you hear increased wow? Does it happen with all cassettes? -- Ron ________________________________ From:Frank Baker To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 4:12:23 PM Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem Hi All,   I have a CR-7A which starts to slow down after 2 or 3 minutes of playback.  If I stop and restart it works OK for about a minute then slows down again.  I just replaced both belts, but that didn’t help at all.  I just rejoined the list after about 2 years off, so if this has been recently discussed or handled, I apologize.  Any ideas would be appreciated.    Frank -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 6 05:14:33 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 20:14:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem In-Reply-To: <381790.82810.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <006501cbf3a5$b99e64f0$2cdb2ed0$@net> <426231.29128.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <909784.5435.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <381790.82810.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <722851.672.qm@web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Scott, From where you are from and for what you do, I can understand. The TDS 420A was my best friend when I worked in my previous life in R and D for SMPS. That was what I was given, and for the low frequency hard-switching topologies we were asked to design, that seemed pretty adequate. When the LeCroy people come around to demo their latest (about 7 years ago) 'scope, we just drooled thinking how much the design envelope could have been pushed with newer instruments. I seriously doubt I am going to need 2 g-samples/sec on all channels (although its really re-assuring to know that you have that power on the bench when you need it). But if one comes my way, am I going to say no? Bala ________________________________ From: Scott Johnson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wed, April 6, 2011 9:34:46 AM Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem >The Tek TDS 420A has a special place in my heart - real solid unit. Really. (Let me just preface this by saying that I'm a real BIG test equipment snob.) I always thought the TDS4xx series sucked. I used one at PairGain back when it was current. The TDS420A has a 4-channel with 200MHz bandwidth, but, the sample rate is only 100 Megasamples/sec (on all channels simultaneously) at 100ns/div it only captures 10 samples/div. Anything faster and it has to use ET or Effective Time which works on repeating waveforms, but, for fast glitch it's worthless, which is what I tried to use it for. The TDS320 is a 2-channel, 100MHz bandwidth, but, despite having a lower series model number it has a sample rate 5 times faster. Sample rate is 500 Megasample/sec (on all channels simultaneously) that means it can go up to 20ns/div and show 10 samples/div. A real advantage for capturing a fast glitch. I need faster so that TDS320 had to go since I have a TDS644A and love it. 4 channel, 500MHz, color LCD shutter display, 2 Gigasample per second on all channels simultaneously. The TDS5xx series is almost identical to the TDS6xx series except for one BIG difference, the TDS5xx series does not do simultaneous capture on all channels. For example it (depending on the model) can do 2GSa/sec on 1 channel, but, on 2 channels it's only captures at 1GSa/sec on each channel and when you go 3 or 4 channels it drops to 500MSa/sec. TDS6xx are all full speed regardless of the number of channels. These days the big TDS644A is just too difficult to take anywhere. I have a Rigol 1052E for that. I could go into all the ways the 1052E sucks, but, for the price, size, weight, portability I grin and bear it. ________________________________ From: Bala Ganesh Chandra To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, April 5, 2011 3:15:52 PM Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem The Tek TDS 420A has a special place in my heart - real solid unit. I still hope to get one to replace my current scope. Bala ________________________________ From: Scott Johnson To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wed, April 6, 2011 6:59:57 AM Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem I like Tektronix scopes. Recently sold my TDS320 and 2220 scopes, but, still have my TDS644A, 7704A, 7313, a couple 305's and a couple SC502's On your 2232 try this easter egg. 1. turn the scope on 2. push the "ADV FUNKT" button once 3. push the "SAVE REF. 3" two times 5. move the "CURSOR" 6. now you have reached the so called "secret menu" here you can see a wizzard on a scateboard or the "TECTRONIX" logo or you can clear all memories. Found on this site. http://www.eeggs.com/items/11778.html ________________________________ From: Frank Baker To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, April 5, 2011 8:25:39 AM Subject: FW: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem Thanks for the clarifications, but as I posted in an earlier message, Lubricating the capstans seems to have fixed the problem. I picked up a Tektronix 2232 which has just been calibrated. Frank From:Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 11:11 AM To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem > Ron, there are 4 leads coming off the circuit board at the back of the DD motor >– black, purple, orange and green > With the power on and the tape stopped, Black to Orange is 11.45 V. Black to >purple is 12.35 V. > Orange to Black is what you want to measure. Should be 11.7V (nominally), so 11.4 is acceptable. However, do measure again, with a cassette running, before and after slow down. Normally, it should be slightly lower and stable. If it goes lower and lower as speed drops, it would indicate the problem is in that circuit. > ... is what you call the motor PCB what the service manual calls the logic PCB? No. What I call motor PCB is the small PCB attached to the capstan motor. Layout is not shown in the service manual, because Nakamichi viewed the whole motor as a single replaceable component, but I believe you can find photos and parts identification on the Naks.com wiki page, in a file for the Sankyo transport. Schematic is shown in the service manual, Fig 8.2.3, under the logic PCB schematic, in a block marked 'Motor PCB'. > I also purchased a Tektronix scope off of eBay. Congrats. Just curious: what model did you get? Keep up posted, -- Ron From: Frank Baker To:Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Mon, April 4, 2011 5:31:42 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem OK, I have ordered new belts from Marrs Communication. It’s a CR-7, it should have the best. The pinch rollers spin freely when not in contact with the capstans and appear to be parallel to them when in contact. Ron, there are 4 leads coming off the circuit board at the back of the DD motor – black, purple, orange and green With the power on and the tape stopped, Black to Orange is 11.45 V. Black to purple is 12.35 V. Also, please pardon my ignorance, but is what you call the motor PCB what the service manual calls the logic PCB? I couldn’t find IC M51721L either in the service manual or on the logic PCB itself, but I may have been looking in the wrong place. A little additional guidance would be appreciated. I also purchased a Tektronix scope off of eBay. It should arrive sometime early next week. Thanks for all your help. Frank From:Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 9:24 AM To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem The following is not conclusive... I would first (because its the easiest) check the pinch rollers (should rotate freely and be clean and parallel to capstans) and their arms (should make good, even contact with the capstans). If the above is OK, I would check the capstan motor electronics. Start with measurement of the 12V right at the PCB. Should be 12VDC ± 5%. If OK: a failed driver IC will cause the symptom you are experiencing, as will an open coil. To check, turn power off and measure resistance between pins 9 and 10 (then repeat for pins 11 and 12) of IC M51721L on the motor PCB. If the results are equal in both measurements, the coils are likely good. Then, turn the deck on and hang a 'scope across each of these output pin pairs. Wait for slowdown. If waveforms and levels are equal, the IC is likely good. Lacking a multimeter and/or 'scope, you can't really diagnose this, but you can fall back on the time honored ruse of blindly replacing the IC in the hope it is the culprit (about 50% chance). However, be aware that replacing this IC does require basic knowledge of electronics servicing (e.g. make absolutely sure the insulator is correctly in place and smear a thin layer of heat sink compound on both sides). Good luck, -- Ron ________________________________ From:Frank Baker To: Ron Sent: Sat, April 2, 2011 10:45:14 AM Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem Hi Ron, It slows to a crawl and eventually stops. Frank From:Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 8:28 AM To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem If you let it play, does it slow to a crawl and eventually stop, or does it continue at a reduced speed? Can you hear increased wow? Does it happen with all cassettes? -- Ron ________________________________ From:Frank Baker To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 4:12:23 PM Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem Hi All, I have a CR-7A which starts to slow down after 2 or 3 minutes of playback. If I stop and restart it works OK for about a minute then slows down again. I just replaced both belts, but that didn’t help at all. I just rejoined the list after about 2 years off, so if this has been recently discussed or handled, I apologize. Any ideas would be appreciated. Frank -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From avss01 at gmail.com Tue Apr 5 22:40:13 2011 From: avss01 at gmail.com (avss01) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 06:40:13 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] 4-5-11 UPDATE, Nakamichi Factory Belt Kits In-Reply-To: <4D9B40E1.8020102@marrscom.com> References: <4D9B40E1.8020102@marrscom.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the update Fred. That does sound encouraging! Your contribution to this hobby of ours is much appreciated. David On Wednesday, April 6, 2011, Fred Marrs wrote: > *4-5-11 UPDATE > > Just want to give everyone an Update on my Nakamichi, Akai and Aiwa Factory Belt Supply from Japan > > I place a Stock Order last Thursday 3-30. I received Confirmation today by email. > > I still have not had contact by Phone. No further information. Fred M. * > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From josephjean at verizon.net Wed Apr 6 05:43:04 2011 From: josephjean at verizon.net (goodguy) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2011 23:43:04 -0400 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem In-Reply-To: <722851.672.qm@web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <006501cbf3a5$b99e64f0$2cdb2ed0$@net> <426231.29128.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <909784.5435.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <381790.82810.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <722851.672.qm@web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0LJ7002SGOZTU370@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> I have used Nicolets, Textronics, RCAs (yuk) and LeCroy scopes. Four channel Nicolets were the bomb until I used a LeCroy. Except for the amber trace of the LeCroy, it was a most suitable scope. At 11:14 PM 4/5/2011, you wrote: >Hi Scott, > > From where you are from and for what you do, I > can understand. The TDS 420A was my best friend > when I worked in my previous life in R and D > for SMPS. That was what I was given, and for > the low frequency hard-switching topologies we > were asked to design, that seemed pretty > adequate. When the LeCroy people come around to > demo their latest (about 7 years ago) 'scope, > we just drooled thinking how much the design > envelope could have been pushed with newer instruments. > >I seriously doubt I am going to need 2 >g-samples/sec on all channels (although its >really re-assuring to know that you have that >power on the bench when you need it). But if one >comes my way, am I going to say no? > >Bala > > >From: Scott Johnson >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Wed, April 6, 2011 9:34:46 AM >Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem > > >The Tek TDS 420A has a special place in my heart - real solid unit. >Really. (Let me just preface this by saying >that I'm a real BIG test equipment snob.) >I always thought the TDS4xx series sucked. I >used one at PairGain back when it was current. >The TDS420A has a 4-channel with 200MHz >bandwidth, but, the sample rate is only 100 >Megasamples/sec (on all channels simultaneously) >at 100ns/div it only captures 10 >samples/div. Anything faster and it has to use >ET or Effective Time which works on repeating >waveforms, but, for fast glitch it's worthless, >which is what I tried to use it for. > >The TDS320 is a 2-channel, 100MHz bandwidth, >but, despite having a lower series model number >it has a sample rate 5 times faster. Sample rate >is 500 Megasample/sec (on all channels >simultaneously) that means it can go up to >20ns/div and show 10 samples/div. A real >advantage for capturing a fast glitch. > >I need faster so that TDS320 had to go since I >have a TDS644A and love it. 4 channel, 500MHz, >color LCD shutter display, 2 Gigasample per >second on all channels simultaneously. The >TDS5xx series is almost identical to the TDS6xx >series except for one BIG difference, the TDS5xx >series does not do simultaneous capture on all >channels. For example it (depending on the >model) can do 2GSa/sec on 1 channel, but, on 2 >channels it's only captures at 1GSa/sec on each >channel and when you go 3 or 4 channels it drops >to 500MSa/sec. TDS6xx are all full speed regardless of the number of channels. > >These days the big TDS644A is just too difficult >to take anywhere. I have a Rigol 1052E for >that. I could go into all the ways the 1052E >sucks, but, for the price, size, weight, portability I grin and bear it. > > >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Tue, April 5, 2011 3:15:52 PM >Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem > >The Tek TDS 420A has a special place in my heart >- real solid unit. I still hope to get one to replace my current scope. > >Bala > > > >From: Scott Johnson >To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi >Cassette Decks >Sent: Wed, April 6, 2011 6:59:57 AM >Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem > >I like Tektronix scopes. Recently sold my >TDS320 and 2220 scopes, but, still have my >TDS644A, 7704A, 7313, a couple 305's and a couple SC502's > >On your 2232 try this easter egg. >1. turn the scope on >2. push the "ADV FUNKT" button once >3. push the "SAVE REF. 3" two times >5. move the "CURSOR" >6. now you have reached the so called "secret >menu" here you can see a wizzard on a scateboard >or the "TECTRONIX" logo or you can clear all memories. >Found on this site. >http://www.eeggs.com/items/11778.html > > > >From: Frank Baker >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Tue, April 5, 2011 8:25:39 AM >Subject: FW: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem > >Thanks for the clarifications, but as I posted in an earlier message, > >Lubricating the capstans seems to have fixed the problem. > > > >I picked up a Tektronix 2232 which has just been calibrated. > > > >Frank > > > >From: Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] >Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 11:11 AM >To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem > > > > > > Ron, there are 4 leads coming off the circuit > board at the back of the DD motor – black, purple, orange and green > > With the power on and the tape stopped, Black > to Orange is 11.45 V. Black to purple is 12.35 V. > >Orange to Black is what you want to measure. Should be 11.7V >(nominally), so 11.4 is acceptable. However, do measure again, >with a cassette running, before and after slow down. Normally, >it should be slightly lower and stable. If it goes lower and lower >as speed drops, it would indicate the problem is in that circuit. > > > ... is what you call the motor PCB what the > service manual calls the logic PCB? > >No. What I call motor PCB is the small PCB attached to the >capstan motor. Layout is not shown in the service manual, >because Nakamichi viewed the whole motor as a single >replaceable component, but I believe you can find photos and >parts identification on the >Naks.com wiki page, in a file for the >Sankyo transport. Schematic is shown in the service manual, >Fig 8.2.3, under the logic PCB schematic, in a block marked >'Motor PCB'. > > > I also purchased a Tektronix scope off of eBay. > >Congrats. Just curious: what model did you get? > >Keep up posted, > >-- Ron > > > > >From: Frank Baker > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Mon, April 4, 2011 5:31:42 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem > >OK, I have ordered new belts from Marrs >Communication. It’s a CR-7, it should have the best. > > > >The pinch rollers spin freely when not in >contact with the capstans and appear to be parallel to them when in contact. > > > >Ron, there are 4 leads coming off the circuit >board at the back of the DD motor – black, purple, orange and green > > > >With the power on and the tape stopped, Black to >Orange is 11.45 V. Black to purple is 12.35 V. > > > >Also, please pardon my ignorance, but is what >you call the motor PCB what the service manual >calls the logic PCB? I couldn’t find IC >M51721L either in the service manual or on the >logic PCB itself, but I may have been looking in >the wrong place. A little additional guidance would be appreciated. > > > >I also purchased a Tektronix scope off of >eBay. It should arrive sometime early next week. > > > >Thanks for all your help. > > > >Frank > > > > > > > >From: Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] >Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 9:24 AM >To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com >Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem > > > > >The following is not conclusive... > >I would first (because its the easiest) check the pinch >rollers (should rotate freely and be clean and parallel >to capstans) and their arms (should make good, even >contact with the capstans). > >If the above is OK, I would check the capstan motor >electronics. Start with measurement of the 12V right >at the PCB. Should be 12VDC ± 5%. > >If OK: a failed driver IC will cause the symptom you >are experiencing, as will an open coil. To check, turn >power off and measure resistance between pins 9 and >10 (then repeat for pins 11 and 12) of IC M51721L >on the motor PCB. If the results are equal in both >measurements, the coils are likely good. > >Then, turn the deck on and hang a 'scope across each >of these output pin pairs. Wait for slowdown. If >waveforms and levels are equal, the IC is likely good. > >Lacking a multimeter and/or 'scope, you can't really >diagnose this, but you can fall back on the time >honored ruse of blindly replacing the IC in the hope >it is the culprit (about 50% chance). However, be >aware that replacing this IC does require basic >knowledge of electronics servicing (e.g. make >absolutely sure the insulator is correctly in place >and smear a thin layer of heat sink compound on >both sides). > >Good luck, > >-- Ron > > > >From: Frank Baker >To: Ron >Sent: Sat, April 2, 2011 10:45:14 AM >Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem > >Hi Ron, > > > >It slows to a crawl and eventually stops. > > > >Frank > > > >From: Ron [mailto:ronami at yahoo.com] >Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 8:28 AM >To: fsbaker77 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: [Bulk] Re: [naktalk] CR-7A problem > > > > >If you let it play, does it slow to a crawl and eventually >stop, or does it continue at a reduced speed? Can you >hear increased wow? > >Does it happen with all cassettes? > >-- Ron > >From: Frank Baker >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 4:12:23 PM >Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A problem > >Hi All, > > > >I have a CR-7A which starts to slow down after 2 >or 3 minutes of playback. If I stop and restart >it works OK for about a minute then slows down >again. I just replaced both belts, but that >didn’t help at all. I just rejoined the list >after about 2 years off, so if this has been >recently discussed or handled, I apologize. Any ideas would be appreciated. > > > >Frank >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland When momentum meets resistance, push harder. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hockeyeast at yahoo.com Wed Apr 6 23:55:14 2011 From: hockeyeast at yahoo.com (Rich) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 17:55:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Zx-7 Message-ID: <8F9C8F10-4C1B-4EB6-B204-4CFDF2A3EA25@yahoo.com> I think I'll try and find a zx-7. Cr-7a just to hard to find and the prices are unreal. Also, I can't believe the # of dragons out there for sale. Seems the prices of those have leveled off a bit. A few go for big bucks and all of a sudden there are a flood on the market. Sent from my iPhone From perry.nak at comcast.net Thu Apr 7 04:11:30 2011 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 02:11:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 VS CR-7A In-Reply-To: <1190346545.788721.1302141698074.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1687365588.789180.1302142290353.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> "While I disagree with much of what you say, I note that you didn't allude to the most important (to me) aspect of the comparison: how do they sound. -- Ron" Now, Ron, why would you ask that? They sound great of course! And please take this for the fun, constructive, discussion inducing post I mean it to be. Not saracstic, or inciting, at all.  Do you mean how do I think they sound?  Ahhh, well, I for one don't think the CR-7 is CD like, sort of an insult to the CR-7, dontcha think? The CR-7 (based on my minty high serial number unit on playback only) is very clean sounding, and I can agree with the others that have said, it's almost clinical, which is another way of saying very accurate, perhaps?  Not far from saying the ZX-7/9 is colored in sound, or more analog, too?  I have no doubt in a double blind sound test, ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL, I could pick  out a ZX-7 from a CR-7 every time,  but I don't know if I could a ZX-9 or RX-505 from a ZX-7, or a BX-300 from a CR-5/7.    We come down to the oft discussed "classic" Nakamichi sound vs the "later" Nakamichi sound. It's there, and bandied about, with no one stating that one is better than the other because either way, you've mildly insulted a large portion of our Nak community, eh? And really, there is no definitive "better", right?  Strictly personal preference? I enjoy the classic sound slightly more. On a strictly technical merit, it's a tossup.    The CRs  (and BX-300) have a flatter FR over a wider range of levels, compared to the classics, which while almost as flat  at -20dB, tend to have personalities at greater levels. It is shocking to me how a mere dB or 2 waver at certain frequencies  changes the timbre of a playback.  It takes an A-B comparison to notice it (for me), but it's there. Look at a 20kHz playback waveform on the scope, of a CR-7 and a ZX-7, and there is no doubt there is less variation of the waveform on the CR.  I've compared a couple of decks of each type and it has been pretty consistent. And let's face it, capacitor wise, the Nichicons in the power supply and lack of orange cap disease is a big plus for the CR-7 over the ZX-7, I admit, but I considered that a minor, age related, typical to vintage gear, do it once and forget about it, kind of fix. On the classic sides, they are often physically quieter in a room, and as I said , I prefer full manual calibration and my other   reasons as well, which apparantly you disagree with much of. Can I ask for specifics? Can't be the reel and position motors, as 10 years of archives, easily bears me out, long before I even became a Nak head. How many cam and reel motor issues have we seen on classic decks vs the Sankyos?  The take up bearing whine? Not often discussed, but I know of many deck owners with BX-300s and CR-5s and 7s that admit it is there, to varying degrees, and my own 4 BX-300s and CR-7 have/had it, though audible at a foot or two, none are objectionable, honestly in the least during normal operation. And like all those well serviced Sankyo DDs, after you power them down, those capstans just keep on spinning so it's not a friction or wear issue. What about the switches  that detect tape type or the ones on the position motor cams? Plenty of examples of oscillating head blocks, chewed tapes or confused electronics on those Sanky decks throughout the archives. Again, I LOVE Nakamichis, and  do NOT think the later decks are inferior or junk, by any stretch. But facts is facts. How about all the DTC and DTA digital transistors in the CR-7? Not easy street finding them, compared to any I've needed onthe classics.  (and I'm sure there are exceptions to both). I'll admit that while to ME, the classic transport decks are easier to work on, if I were to compare a Dragon to a CR-7, and say the Dragon was easier, I'd have to be on heavy drugs, as it's just not true,   but in general, I'll work on most any issue on a 680zx, ZX-7, RX-505, over issues on a Cassette Deck One, CR-7, or BX-300. And on a very strictly "not that it probably matters to most" kind of thing, when operating a classic deck it just , well, operates like a classic.  The Sankyo decks have that same, thin mechanical operating sound that is just not as enticing to me.  Petty, I know, but real. So I ask you, do YOU think the CR-7 is worth twice or 3 times the cost of a ZX-7, based on sound? Or features? Discussions have been dull here lately, and I have a typical thick Italian skin, so let me know, "full of it'? or "you've got some points"? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From perry.nak at comcast.net Thu Apr 7 04:42:25 2011 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 02:42:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] For Russ, re: ZX-7 In-Reply-To: <1187787524.790468.1302143995126.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <842014333.790533.1302144145100.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Hey, thanks for the sympathies, I'm still beating my head against the wall over that. Talk about your real hard learned lesson. I haven't had a cold sweat literally erupt through my body like that when I realized that my tapes were being erased in play mode in many years. Horrible feeling! Honestly, though, I DO feel Nak put more in to the classic decks than the Sankyo decks, and held that opinion long before the CR-7 stabbe dme in the back. I know it had to be me somehow, not the deck!  But, those flimsy idler tires and reel motors are just one example of Sankyo vs classic. I have to say though, that while I too prefer the look, maintanance features, and heftiness of the the classic pinch rollers, in reality, I really haven't noticed any performance advantage over the Sankyo ones. Nak used great rubber, compared to almost every other deck I've worked on. Revox used pure crap in comparison, on decks costing much much more. Yamahas with Sankyo transports, didn't use real great rubber either, but better than Revox. The pressure roller axle supported at both ends is inherently a more stable design, so while less maintenance friendly than the "C" clipped one sided supported classic rollers, they are damn good. And the newer caps area plus, but the increased specialized ICs are not, IMHO.   I'm also not crazy about the smaller diameter capstans on the Sankyos, vs the nice hefty larger diameters on the classics. All that gains you is more torque for a weaker motor at the busness end of the tape, and increased chance of a bent capstan . 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Ram. --- On Wed, 4/6/11, perry.nak at comcast.net wrote: From: perry.nak at comcast.net Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 VS CR-7A To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, April 6, 2011, 10:11 PM #yiv1503137842 p {margin:0;}"While I disagree with much of what you say, I note that you didn't allude to the most important (to me) aspect of the comparison: how do they sound. -- Ron" Now, Ron, why would you ask that? They sound great of course! And please take this for the fun, constructive, discussion inducing post I mean it to be. Not saracstic, or inciting, at all. Do you mean how do I think they sound?  Ahhh, well, I for one don't think the CR-7 is CD like, sort of an insult to the CR-7, dontcha think? The CR-7 (based on my minty high serial number unit on playback only) is very clean sounding, and I can agree with the others that have said, it's almost clinical, which is another way of saying very accurate, perhaps?  Not far from saying the ZX-7/9 is colored in sound, or more analog, too?  I have no doubt in a double blind sound test, ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL, I could pick  out a ZX-7 from a CR-7 every time,  but I don't know if I could a ZX-9 or RX-505 from a ZX-7, or a BX-300 from a CR-5/7.    We come down to the oft discussed "classic" Nakamichi sound vs the "later" Nakamichi sound. It's there, and bandied about, with no one stating that one is better than the other because either way, you've mildly insulted a large portion of our Nak community, eh? And really, there is no definitive "better", right?  Strictly personal preference? I enjoy the classic sound slightly more. On a strictly technical merit, it's a tossup.    The CRs  (and BX-300) have a flatter FR over a wider range of levels, compared to the classics, which while almost as flat  at -20dB, tend to have personalities at greater levels. It is shocking to me how a mere dB or 2 waver at certain frequencies  changes the timbre of a playback.  It takes an A-B comparison to notice it (for me), but it's there. Look at a 20kHz playback waveform on the scope, of a CR-7 and a ZX-7, and there is no doubt there is less variation of the waveform on the CR.  I've compared a couple of decks of each type and it has been pretty consistent. And let's face it, capacitor wise, the Nichicons in the power supply and lack of orange cap disease is a big plus for the CR-7 over the ZX-7, I admit, but I considered that a minor, age related, typical to vintage gear, do it once and forget about it, kind of fix. On the classic sides, they are often physically quieter in a room, and as I said , I prefer full manual calibration and my other  reasons as well, which apparantly you disagree with much of.   Can I ask for specifics? Can't be the reel and position motors, as 10 years of archives, easily bears me out, long before I even became a Nak head. How many cam and reel motor issues have we seen on classic decks vs the Sankyos?  The take up bearing whine? Not often discussed, but I know of many deck owners with BX-300s and CR-5s and 7s that admit it is there, to varying degrees, and my own 4 BX-300s and CR-7 have/had it, though audible at a foot or two, none are objectionable, honestly in the least during normal operation. And like all those well serviced Sankyo DDs, after you power them down, those capstans just keep on spinning so it's not a friction or wear issue. What about the switches  that detect tape type or the ones on the position motor cams? Plenty of examples of oscillating head blocks, chewed tapes or confused electronics on those Sanky decks throughout the archives. Again, I LOVE Nakamichis, and  do NOT think the later decks are inferior or junk, by any stretch. But facts is facts. How about all the DTC and DTA digital transistors in the CR-7? Not easy street finding them, compared to any I've needed onthe classics.  (and I'm sure there are exceptions to both). I'll admit that while to ME, the classic transport decks are easier to work on, if I were to compare a Dragon to a CR-7, and say the Dragon was easier, I'd have to be on heavy drugs, as it's just not true,  but in general, I'll work on most any issue on a 680zx, ZX-7, RX-505, over issues on a Cassette Deck One, CR-7, or BX-300. And on a very strictly "not that it probably matters to most" kind of thing, when operating a classic deck it just , well, operates like a classic.  The Sankyo decks have that same, thin mechanical operating sound that is just not as enticing to me.  Petty, I know, but real.   So I ask you, do YOU think the CR-7 is worth twice or 3 times the cost of a ZX-7, based on sound? Or features?   Discussions have been dull here lately, and I have a typical thick Italian skin, so let me know, "full of it'? or "you've got some points"? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From David.Moore at team.telstra.com Thu Apr 7 06:46:21 2011 From: David.Moore at team.telstra.com (Moore, David L) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 14:46:21 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 VS CR-7A In-Reply-To: <1687365588.789180.1302142290353.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <1190346545.788721.1302141698074.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <1687365588.789180.1302142290353.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <6A809DE3D3D91C4DA371BE6FC0954CE74A24605E0A@WSMSG3101V.srv.dir.telstra.com> For what it’s worth I owned both a CR-7 and ZX-9, and both from new back in the 80‘s After I purchased the CR-7 I did some detailing on the ZX-9 electronics – namely upgraded signal path op-amps and many caps. The end result was that it was transformed into a CR-7 killer. For that reason I sold the CR-7 a few years later. Yes it may have been possible to upgrade the CR-7 to a higher level of performance but that ZX-9 was a beast to be reckoned with. A friend of mine who is blind and an avid audiophile and could hear (back then) to 27kHz also conducted a ‘blind’ A-B test between the decks and nominated the ZX-9 every time. He stated to me that it was the best cassette deck he had ever heard, period, and that included every other high end Nak ever made as well as TOTL of every other brand. The moral here. If you own a ZX-9, upgrade it, look after it, don’t sell it. Cheers David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 7 16:40:56 2011 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 07:40:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 VS CR-7A In-Reply-To: <66138.10815.qm@web112707.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <770127.11449.qm@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I can only compare a CR-5 to a ZX-7.  I was told by a tech that the electronics on a CR-5 are very similar to a CR-7.  Can anyone comment further? I happen to like my ZX-7 better than my CR-5.  If my only deck was the CR-5 I would be happy but the ZX-7 is fantastic!  The CR-5 was serviced by Andy Pena a couple years ago and the ZX-7 was serviced by Willy last fall so both are working up to their potential. Bob N --- On Thu, 4/7/11, shanti ramachandran wrote: From: shanti ramachandran Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 VS CR-7A To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, April 7, 2011, 5:32 AM Perry, I am on your side of the argument hands down. I do not believe you left much out. Sound preference is always been a subjective issue and there is no point discussing that. To each his/her own. However, though I prefer the ZX7/9 decks, I would not get rid of the Cr7! Ram. --- On Wed, 4/6/11, perry.nak at comcast.net wrote: From: perry.nak at comcast.net Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 VS CR-7A To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, April 6, 2011, 10:11 PM #yiv1318816109 p {margin:0;}"While I disagree with much of what you say, I note that you didn't allude to the most important (to me) aspect of the comparison: how do they sound. -- Ron" Now, Ron, why would you ask that? They sound great of course! And please take this for the fun, constructive, discussion inducing post I mean it to be. Not saracstic, or inciting, at all. Do you mean how do I think they sound?  Ahhh, well, I for one don't think the CR-7 is CD like, sort of an insult to the CR-7, dontcha think? The CR-7 (based on my minty high serial number unit on playback only) is very clean sounding, and I can agree with the others that have said, it's almost clinical, which is another way of saying very accurate, perhaps?  Not far from saying the ZX-7/9 is colored in sound, or more analog, too?  I have no doubt in a double blind sound test, ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL, I could pick  out a ZX-7 from a CR-7 every time,  but I don't know if I could a ZX-9 or RX-505 from a ZX-7, or a BX-300 from a CR-5/7.    We come down to the oft discussed "classic" Nakamichi sound vs the "later" Nakamichi sound. It's there, and bandied about, with no one stating that one is better than the other because either way, you've mildly insulted a large portion of our Nak community, eh? And really, there is no definitive "better", right?  Strictly personal preference? I enjoy the classic sound slightly more. On a strictly technical merit, it's a tossup.    The CRs  (and BX-300) have a flatter FR over a wider range of levels, compared to the classics, which while almost as flat  at -20dB, tend to have personalities at greater levels. It is shocking to me how a mere dB or 2 waver at certain frequencies  changes the timbre of a playback.  It takes an A-B comparison to notice it (for me), but it's there. Look at a 20kHz playback waveform on the scope, of a CR-7 and a ZX-7, and there is no doubt there is less variation of the waveform on the CR.  I've compared a couple of decks of each type and it has been pretty consistent. And let's face it, capacitor wise, the Nichicons in the power supply and lack of orange cap disease is a big plus for the CR-7 over the ZX-7, I admit, but I considered that a minor, age related, typical to vintage gear, do it once and forget about it, kind of fix. On the classic sides, they are often physically quieter in a room, and as I said , I prefer full manual calibration and my other  reasons as well, which apparantly you disagree with much of.   Can I ask for specifics? Can't be the reel and position motors, as 10 years of archives, easily bears me out, long before I even became a Nak head. How many cam and reel motor issues have we seen on classic decks vs the Sankyos?  The take up bearing whine? Not often discussed, but I know of many deck owners with BX-300s and CR-5s and 7s that admit it is there, to varying degrees, and my own 4 BX-300s and CR-7 have/had it, though audible at a foot or two, none are objectionable, honestly in the least during normal operation. And like all those well serviced Sankyo DDs, after you power them down, those capstans just keep on spinning so it's not a friction or wear issue. What about the switches  that detect tape type or the ones on the position motor cams? Plenty of examples of oscillating head blocks, chewed tapes or confused electronics on those Sanky decks throughout the archives. Again, I LOVE Nakamichis, and  do NOT think the later decks are inferior or junk, by any stretch. But facts is facts. How about all the DTC and DTA digital transistors in the CR-7? Not easy street finding them, compared to any I've needed onthe classics.  (and I'm sure there are exceptions to both). I'll admit that while to ME, the classic transport decks are easier to work on, if I were to compare a Dragon to a CR-7, and say the Dragon was easier, I'd have to be on heavy drugs, as it's just not true,  but in general, I'll work on most any issue on a 680zx, ZX-7, RX-505, over issues on a Cassette Deck One, CR-7, or BX-300. And on a very strictly "not that it probably matters to most" kind of thing, when operating a classic deck it just , well, operates like a classic.  The Sankyo decks have that same, thin mechanical operating sound that is just not as enticing to me.  Petty, I know, but real.   So I ask you, do YOU think the CR-7 is worth twice or 3 times the cost of a ZX-7, based on sound? Or features?   Discussions have been dull here lately, and I have a typical thick Italian skin, so let me know, "full of it'? or "you've got some points"? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Thu Apr 7 18:04:39 2011 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 09:04:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 VS CR-7A In-Reply-To: <6A809DE3D3D91C4DA371BE6FC0954CE74A24605E0A@WSMSG3101V.srv.dir.telstra.com> Message-ID: <388079.62183.qm@web33307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> For all its worth ZX 7 is as good as ZX 9 period - Zx 7 is highly under rated Deck CR 7A is the most user friendly Nak - nothing can come near its ease of use despite its sankyo transport The reason Zx 9 is liked by many people is due entirely to its play back amp and Dolby chip rather than any specific technical reason. It s Mid range playback - where our ears are most sensitive - is possibly the reason.   And CR 7A and Dragon can compete with anything else and sometimes amaze you  if Capacitors ( Electrolytics) are replaced including signal area bypassed with polyustrene (Multicap) caps   another amazing  play back giant is 700ZXE   Kannan  --- On Thu, 4/7/11, Moore, David L wrote: From: Moore, David L Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 VS CR-7A To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, April 7, 2011, 12:46 AM   For what it’s worth   I owned both a CR-7 and ZX-9, and both from new back in the 80‘s  After I purchased the CR-7 I did some detailing on the ZX-9 electronics – namely upgraded signal path op-amps and many caps. The end result was that it was transformed into a CR-7 killer. For that reason I sold the CR-7 a few years later. Yes it may have been possible to upgrade the CR-7 to a higher level of performance but that ZX-9 was a beast to be reckoned with. A friend of mine who is blind and an avid audiophile and could hear (back then) to 27kHz also conducted a ‘blind’ A-B test between the decks and nominated the ZX-9 every time. He stated to me that it was the best cassette deck he had ever heard, period, and that included every other high end Nak ever made as well as TOTL of every other brand.     The moral here. If you own a ZX-9, upgrade it,  look after it, don’t sell it.           Cheers David   -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Thu Apr 7 18:29:00 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 09:29:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 VS CR-7A In-Reply-To: <66138.10815.qm@web112707.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <66138.10815.qm@web112707.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <531406.90351.qm@web130123.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Let me start with a story, seemingly unrelated. It's about the boy that goes to his mother and asks where he came from. The mother, very excited, calls her husband at work and tells him the boy has asked the question. When the husband comes home from work, he takes the boy aside and gives him the whole birds and bees spiel. When done, he notices that the boy seems a little dazed. "Do you have any questions", he asks. "No," says the boy "I only asked because the new boy in school comes from New Jersey". So, Perry, I only asked because, in all posts in this thread, the question 'how does it sound' never came up. I certainly didn't mean to imply one is better than the other, this is very subjective and not subject to discussion. I just mentioned that it's (or should be) a key consideration for the OP. As to the claim of lower reliability of the Sankyo transport... I've worked on both transports, and tend to agree that the classic is probably more robust, depending on age and where it's been. However, personally, I prefer to work on the Sankyo. Maybe, due to accessibility; maybe, because I worked on many more of them; maybe, because I've never seen even half the the faults you assign to the Sankyo. Maybe... if you've ever replaced an idler on a 582, you may know why (and I do like the 582 design). But, bottom line: if I had to choose a cassette deck now, the transport would be my last consideration (it was). Whether I like the sound of the deck (and the BX-300 isn't even close to the CR-7) would be my first (it was). Peace, -- Ron ________________________________ --- On Wed, 4/6/11, perry.nak at comcast.net wrote: >From: perry.nak at comcast.net >Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 VS CR-7A >To: naktalk at naks.com >Date: Wednesday, April 6, 2011, 10:11 PM > > >"While I disagree with much of what you say, I note that >you didn't allude to the most important (to me) aspect of >the comparison: how do they sound. > >-- Ron" > >Now, Ron, why would you ask that? They sound great of course! And please take >this for the fun, constructive, discussion > >inducing post I mean it to be. Not saracstic, or inciting, at all. Do you mean >how do I think they sound? Ahhh, well, I for one >don't think the CR-7 is CD like, sort of an insult to the CR-7, dontcha think? >The CR-7 (based on my minty high serial number > >unit on playback only) is very clean sounding, and I can agree with the others >that have said, it's almost clinical, which is another > >way of saying very accurate, perhaps? Not far from saying the ZX-7/9 is colored >in sound, or more analog, too? > >I have no doubt in a double blind sound test, ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL, I could >pick out a ZX-7 from a CR-7 every time, > but I don't know if I could a ZX-9 or RX-505 from a ZX-7, or a BX-300 from a >CR-5/7. > >We come down to the oft discussed "classic" Nakamichi sound vs the "later" >Nakamichi sound. It's there, and bandied about, > >with no one stating that one is better than the other because either way, you've >mildly insulted a large portion of our Nak >community, eh? And really, there is no definitive "better", right? Strictly >personal preference? I enjoy the classic sound slightly > >more. On a strictly technical merit, it's a tossup. > >The CRs (and BX-300) have a flatter FR over a wider range of levels, compared >to the classics, which while almost as flat > at -20dB, tend to have personalities at greater levels. It is shocking to me >how a mere dB or 2 waver at certain frequencies > changes the timbre of a playback. It takes an A-B comparison to notice it (for >me), but it's there. Look at a 20kHz playback >waveform on the scope, of a CR-7 and a ZX-7, and there is no doubt there is less >variation of the waveform on the CR. > I've compared a couple of decks of each type and it has been pretty consistent. >And let's face it, capacitor wise, the Nichicons >in the power supply and lack of orange cap disease is a big plus for the CR-7 >over the ZX-7, I admit, but I considered that a minor, > >age related, typical to vintage gear, do it once and forget about it, kind of >fix. >On the classic sides, they are often physically quieter in a room, and as I said >, I prefer full manual calibration and my other > reasons as well, which apparantly you disagree with much of. > >Can I ask for specifics? Can't be the reel and position motors, as 10 years of >archives, easily bears me out, long before I even > >became a Nak head. How many cam and reel motor issues have we seen on classic >decks vs the Sankyos? > >The take up bearing whine? Not often discussed, but I know of many deck owners >with BX-300s and CR-5s and 7s > >that admit it is there, to varying degrees, and my own 4 BX-300s and CR-7 >have/had it, though audible at a foot or two, > >none are objectionable, honestly in the least during normal operation. And like >all those well serviced Sankyo DDs, after > >you power them down, those capstans just keep on spinning so it's not a friction >or wear issue. What about the switches > that detect tape type or the ones on the position motor cams? Plenty of >examples of oscillating head blocks, chewed tapes > >or confused electronics on those Sanky decks throughout the archives. Again, I >LOVE Nakamichis, and > do NOT think the later decks are inferior or junk, by any stretch. But facts is >facts. How about all the DTC and DTA > >digital transistors in the CR-7? Not easy street finding them, compared to any >I've needed onthe classics. > >(and I'm sure there are exceptions to both). I'll admit that while to ME, the >classic transport decks are easier to work on, > >if I were to compare a Dragon to a CR-7, and say the Dragon was easier, I'd have >to be on heavy drugs, as it's just not true, > but in general, I'll work on most any issue on a 680zx, ZX-7, RX-505, over >issues on a Cassette Deck One, CR-7, or BX-300. > >And on a very strictly "not that it probably matters to most" kind of thing, >when operating a classic deck it just , well, > >operates like a classic. The Sankyo decks have that same, thin mechanical >operating sound that is just not as >enticing to me. Petty, I know, but real. > >So I ask you, do YOU think the CR-7 is worth twice or 3 times the cost of a >ZX-7, based on sound? 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URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Thu Apr 7 19:27:52 2011 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 10:27:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 VS CR-7A In-Reply-To: <770127.11449.qm@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <356123.20572.qm@web33301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ZX 7 is a wonderful Deck - as good as any ZX 9   Once you have a nice Capstan belt from Maars - it should be playing wonderfully   There is no difference between ZX 9  and ZX 7 except the DD motor   If you replace the Old electrolytics in Playback record electronics with decent Low ESR Panasonic/ Nichicon or Elna, you will be surpized how the sound quality improves   having said that , I found CR 5 playback can be as good as a CR 7A -   The difference between CR 5A and Zx 7 Sound - is due to play back electronics and Dolby chips in playback record amps.   the tonal quality cannot be bridged - so somebody might like one deck over the other and it is natural Kannan         --- On Thu, 4/7/11, Bob Naylor wrote: From: Bob Naylor Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 VS CR-7A To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, April 7, 2011, 10:40 AM I can only compare a CR-5 to a ZX-7.  I was told by a tech that the electronics on a CR-5 are very similar to a CR-7.  Can anyone comment further? I happen to like my ZX-7 better than my CR-5.  If my only deck was the CR-5 I would be happy but the ZX-7 is fantastic!  The CR-5 was serviced by Andy Pena a couple years ago and the ZX-7 was serviced by Willy last fall so both are working up to their potential. Bob N --- On Thu, 4/7/11, shanti ramachandran wrote: From: shanti ramachandran Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 VS CR-7A To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, April 7, 2011, 5:32 AM Perry, I am on your side of the argument hands down. I do not believe you left much out. Sound preference is always been a subjective issue and there is no point discussing that. To each his/her own. However, though I prefer the ZX7/9 decks, I would not get rid of the Cr7! Ram. --- On Wed, 4/6/11, perry.nak at comcast.net wrote: From: perry.nak at comcast.net Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 VS CR-7A To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, April 6, 2011, 10:11 PM #yiv1576857746 p {margin:0;} "While I disagree with much of what you say, I note that you didn't allude to the most important (to me) aspect of the comparison: how do they sound. -- Ron" Now, Ron, why would you ask that? They sound great of course! And please take this for the fun, constructive, discussion inducing post I mean it to be. Not saracstic, or inciting, at all. Do you mean how do I think they sound?  Ahhh, well, I for one don't think the CR-7 is CD like, sort of an insult to the CR-7, dontcha think? The CR-7 (based on my minty high serial number unit on playback only) is very clean sounding, and I can agree with the others that have said, it's almost clinical, which is another way of saying very accurate, perhaps?  Not far from saying the ZX-7/9 is colored in sound, or more analog, too?  I have no doubt in a double blind sound test, ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL, I could pick  out a ZX-7 from a CR-7 every time,  but I don't know if I could a ZX-9 or RX-505 from a ZX-7, or a BX-300 from a CR-5/7.    We come down to the oft discussed "classic" Nakamichi sound vs the "later" Nakamichi sound. It's there, and bandied about, with no one stating that one is better than the other because either way, you've mildly insulted a large portion of our Nak community, eh? And really, there is no definitive "better", right?  Strictly personal preference? I enjoy the classic sound slightly more. On a strictly technical merit, it's a tossup.    The CRs  (and BX-300) have a flatter FR over a wider range of levels, compared to the classics, which while almost as flat  at -20dB, tend to have personalities at greater levels. It is shocking to me how a mere dB or 2 waver at certain frequencies  changes the timbre of a playback.  It takes an A-B comparison to notice it (for me), but it's there. Look at a 20kHz playback waveform on the scope, of a CR-7 and a ZX-7, and there is no doubt there is less variation of the waveform on the CR.  I've compared a couple of decks of each type and it has been pretty consistent. And let's face it, capacitor wise, the Nichicons in the power supply and lack of orange cap disease is a big plus for the CR-7 over the ZX-7, I admit, but I considered that a minor, age related, typical to vintage gear, do it once and forget about it, kind of fix. On the classic sides, they are often physically quieter in a room, and as I said , I prefer full manual calibration and my other  reasons as well, which apparantly you disagree with much of.   Can I ask for specifics? Can't be the reel and position motors, as 10 years of archives, easily bears me out, long before I even became a Nak head. How many cam and reel motor issues have we seen on classic decks vs the Sankyos?  The take up bearing whine? Not often discussed, but I know of many deck owners with BX-300s and CR-5s and 7s that admit it is there, to varying degrees, and my own 4 BX-300s and CR-7 have/had it, though audible at a foot or two, none are objectionable, honestly in the least during normal operation. And like all those well serviced Sankyo DDs, after you power them down, those capstans just keep on spinning so it's not a friction or wear issue. What about the switches  that detect tape type or the ones on the position motor cams? Plenty of examples of oscillating head blocks, chewed tapes or confused electronics on those Sanky decks throughout the archives. Again, I LOVE Nakamichis, and  do NOT think the later decks are inferior or junk, by any stretch. But facts is facts. How about all the DTC and DTA digital transistors in the CR-7? Not easy street finding them, compared to any I've needed onthe classics.  (and I'm sure there are exceptions to both). I'll admit that while to ME, the classic transport decks are easier to work on, if I were to compare a Dragon to a CR-7, and say the Dragon was easier, I'd have to be on heavy drugs, as it's just not true,  but in general, I'll work on most any issue on a 680zx, ZX-7, RX-505, over issues on a Cassette Deck One, CR-7, or BX-300. And on a very strictly "not that it probably matters to most" kind of thing, when operating a classic deck it just , well, operates like a classic.  The Sankyo decks have that same, thin mechanical operating sound that is just not as enticing to me.  Petty, I know, but real.   So I ask you, do YOU think the CR-7 is worth twice or 3 times the cost of a ZX-7, based on sound? Or features?   Discussions have been dull here lately, and I have a typical thick Italian skin, so let me know, "full of it'? or "you've got some points"? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 8 03:11:06 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 18:11:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 VS CR-7A In-Reply-To: <770E43AC-B77C-4B2D-B072-4F46B32A1FA9@peromarta.org> References: <388079.62183.qm@web33307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <770E43AC-B77C-4B2D-B072-4F46B32A1FA9@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <796171.66940.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> That may be plausible (stress as Adam Savage would do here, the word plausible). But it has been said people who have a disability in one area, sometimes have heightened levels of their other senses. Bala ________________________________ From: Luis Peromarta Regert To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Fri, April 8, 2011 5:54:44 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 VS CR-7A Amazing. El 07/04/2011, a las 18:04, kannan srinivasaraghavan escribió: A friend of mine who is blind and an avid audiophile and could hear (back then) to 27kHz -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chartz at club-internet.fr Thu Apr 7 18:17:09 2011 From: chartz at club-internet.fr (Jacques Frantz) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 18:17:09 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 VS CR-7A In-Reply-To: <6A809DE3D3D91C4DA371BE6FC0954CE74A24605E0A@WSMSG3101V.srv.dir.telstra.com> References: <1190346545.788721.1302141698074.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <1687365588.789180.1302142290353.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <6A809DE3D3D91C4DA371BE6FC0954CE74A24605E0A@WSMSG3101V.srv.dir.telstra.com> Message-ID: Hi everyone, Being a pauper I bought a mintish CR-4 for €140. After a close look at the mechanics and electronics, I found out it is not far at all from the CR-7! I find it sonically adept, comparable to my Beocord 9000 and above anything I had before them. How would it then compare to a CR-7? Cheers, Jacques Le 7 avr. 2011 à 06:46, "Moore, David L" a écrit : > > > For what it’s worth > > > > I owned both a CR-7 and ZX-9, and both from new back in the 80‘s > > After I purchased the CR-7 I did some detailing on the ZX-9 electronics – namely upgraded signal path op-amps and many caps. > > The end result was that it was transformed into a CR-7 killer. For that reason I sold the CR-7 a few years later. Yes it may have been possible to upgrade the CR-7 to a higher level of performance but that ZX-9 was a beast to be reckoned with. A friend of mine who is blind and an avid audiophile and could hear (back then) to 27kHz also conducted a ‘blind’ A-B test between the decks and nominated the ZX-9 every time. He stated to me that it was the best cassette deck he had ever heard, period, and that included every other high end Nak ever made as well as TOTL of every other brand. > > > > The moral here. If you own a ZX-9, upgrade it, look after it, don’t sell it. > > > > > > > > Cheers > > David > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aswett1 at rochester.rr.com Thu Apr 7 20:17:16 2011 From: aswett1 at rochester.rr.com (Al Swett) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 14:17:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Prioritizing my Nak Portfolio Message-ID: I have four machines...480, CR4A, and 2-680ZXs. I'm trying to decide which one(s) to focus on, i.e. get fixed and keep maintained. The 480 was a wedding present from a friend in the hi-fi business 30 years ago and, after many years of service (and maintenance), has been retired to its box in the attic. I bought the CR4A new whenever it was originally sold and used it off and on until a few months ago when the take up motor (or other related mechanism) ceased taking up, causing it to stop after a few seconds. The 2 680ZXs were my Dads and he he used them both heavily since he bought them in the early 80s, especially enjoying the half-speed feature. Each was sent back to Nak (in the old days) one or more times for servicing. They became mine when Dad passed away. One works well except that when you first turn it on, it starts playing and won't stop until you push the "stop" button a few times. The other seems mechanically fine but has a distortion issue on playback. My inclination has been to go ahead and get the CR4A repaired and returned to service...it's the newest one, has the least wear, and has worked well for me. From what I read on this forum, the 680s are great machines, but expensive to diagnose and repair and the continued functioning of the one that now works (mostly) may be questionable. Don't know about the 480...seems like the others are superior, so more worth focusing on. I'm curious what the perspective of this group is...fix one (or more)? If so which (and how...I'm not as talented at repairing as many in this forum, so would probably need to send off for repair). Or...scrap (sell) them all and track down something like the ZX-7 which has been the focus of so many notes in the past few days. 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The second feature of the CR7 is the auto calibration that adjusts playback head azimuth, record bias and record levels with the help of a microprocessor.. This leads to flawless  recordings.The Cr 4 might not record as well on all tapes you have! Ram. --- On Thu, 4/7/11, Jacques Frantz wrote: From: Jacques Frantz Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 VS CR-7A To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, April 7, 2011, 12:17 PM Hi everyone, Being a pauper I bought a mintish CR-4 for €140. After a close look at the mechanics and electronics, I found out it is not far at all from the CR-7!I find it sonically adept, comparable to my Beocord 9000 and above anything I had before them.How would it then compare to a CR-7? Cheers, Jacques Le 7 avr. 2011 à 06:46, "Moore, David L" a écrit :   For what it’s worth   I owned both a CR-7 and ZX-9, and both from new back in the 80‘s  After I purchased the CR-7 I did some detailing on the ZX-9 electronics – namely upgraded signal path op-amps and many caps. The end result was that it was transformed into a CR-7 killer. For that reason I sold the CR-7 a few years later. Yes it may have been possible to upgrade the CR-7 to a higher level of performance but that ZX-9 was a beast to be reckoned with. A friend of mine who is blind and an avid audiophile and could hear (back then) to 27kHz also conducted a ‘blind’ A-B test between the decks and nominated the ZX-9 every time. He stated to me that it was the best cassette deck he had ever heard, period, and that included every other high end Nak ever made as well as TOTL of every other brand.     The moral here. 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Thanks...rich Sent from my iPhone From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sat Apr 9 03:00:46 2011 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 18:00:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Gauges In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <824736.76169.qm@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Nice job Willy, i recommend you take some security deposit while the gauge is loaned as you never know when it fails to get returned It makes some out there who can easily realign their decks once in couple of years I appreciate your gesture and this is a real gift to naktalk members kannan --- On Fri, 4/8/11, Willy Hermann wrote: From: Willy Hermann Subject: [naktalk] Gauges To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Friday, April 8, 2011, 7:42 PM Hi all - I have just bought a set of gauges from a shop which has quit working on Nakamichi decks.  The idea I have is to rent/loan these the gauges to those on the forum who are working on their own decks as they need them.  I'm not sure how interested anyone would be with me doing this or what the pitfalls of doing it would be (other than lots of admin time for me - good thing I'm retired ;-) )  I have attached the list of the gauges I just obtained.  All look to be in perfect shape and could easily and fairly inexpensively be shipped back and forth. Please give me your feedback. Willy -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 9 03:05:50 2011 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (Ram) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 21:05:50 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Gauges In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6A75C922-4C62-48BC-AC95-7FC5B43E9ECC@yahoo.com> I am kosher for this deal Willy......as long ad you can support me for the adjustments! ;) Ram. On Apr 8, 2011, at 7:42 PM, Willy Hermann wrote: > Hi all - > > I have just bought a set of gauges from a shop which has quit working on Nakamichi decks. The idea I have is to rent/loan these the gauges to those on the forum who are working on their own decks as they need them. I'm not sure how interested anyone would be with me doing this or what the pitfalls of doing it would be (other than lots of admin time for me - good thing I'm retired ;-) ) I have attached the list of the gauges I just obtained. All look to be in perfect shape and could easily and fairly inexpensively be shipped back and forth. > > Please give me your feedback. > > Willy > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From lenaw at flash.net Sat Apr 9 03:14:34 2011 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 18:14:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Tapes you use to record In-Reply-To: <5EBA9E7D-91A9-4B9B-80A1-C5FD7C79519C@yahoo.com> References: <5EBA9E7D-91A9-4B9B-80A1-C5FD7C79519C@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <625913.95573.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Rich:             For all my Nak decks I use mainly TDK tapes. For my non Nak decks I use Maxell and BASF. Good Listening, Mike   ________________________________ From: Rich To: "naktalk at naks.com" Sent: Fri, April 8, 2011 6:50:59 PM Subject: [naktalk] Tapes you use to record Maybe this has been covered before, so if it has I apologize. What tapes do you use to record with. Your favorites? Thanks...rich Sent from my iPhone ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Sat Apr 9 03:34:09 2011 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 18:34:09 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Tapes you use to record In-Reply-To: <5EBA9E7D-91A9-4B9B-80A1-C5FD7C79519C@yahoo.com> References: <5EBA9E7D-91A9-4B9B-80A1-C5FD7C79519C@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Maxell UDXL II, TDK SA and SAX, and Sony High-Bias. Fred Fred Longworth MBA, CHMM Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F San Diego, CA 92116 (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 Fax: (619) 282-7872 classicaudiorepair at gmail.com stereo1 at cox.net www.repairaudio.com On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 4:50 PM, Rich wrote: > > Maybe this has been covered before, so if it has I apologize. What tapes do > you use to record with. Your favorites? Thanks...rich > Sent from my iPhone > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark8559 at hotmail.com Sat Apr 9 03:51:15 2011 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 19:51:15 -0600 Subject: FW: [naktalk] Tapes you use to record In-Reply-To: <5EBA9E7D-91A9-4B9B-80A1-C5FD7C79519C@yahoo.com> References: <5EBA9E7D-91A9-4B9B-80A1-C5FD7C79519C@yahoo.com> Message-ID: You can't go wrong with TDK SA or Maxell XLII. They are available on Ebay and some listings have reasonable prices. It's also a good idea to buy used TDK SA and Maxell XLII and then erase them with a bulk eraser before doing your recordings. I also use Denon HD-8, HD-7, and HD-6 cassettes to record my treasured LP collection. I've been recording cassettes since the 70's and my preference hasen't changed much. I use the TDK-SA on acoustic guitar and the Maxell XLII on heavy metal. > From: hockeyeast at yahoo.com > Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 19:50:59 -0400 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Tapes you use to record > > > Maybe this has been covered before, so if it has I apologize. What tapes do you use to record with. Your favorites? Thanks...rich -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 9 04:01:43 2011 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (Ram) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 22:01:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Tapes you use to record In-Reply-To: <5EBA9E7D-91A9-4B9B-80A1-C5FD7C79519C@yahoo.com> References: <5EBA9E7D-91A9-4B9B-80A1-C5FD7C79519C@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <858D28FD-D568-4668-ACF9-3A4CE026D2BB@yahoo.com> Now that's what I call a Pandora's box! Ram On Apr 8, 2011, at 7:50 PM, Rich wrote: > > Maybe this has been covered before, so if it has I apologize. What tapes do you use to record with. Your favorites? Thanks...rich > Sent from my iPhone > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Sat Apr 9 06:10:46 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 18:10:46 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Gauges In-Reply-To: <6A75C922-4C62-48BC-AC95-7FC5B43E9ECC@yahoo.com> References: <6A75C922-4C62-48BC-AC95-7FC5B43E9ECC@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Wow, even after talking me through the procedure for the cassette gauge... :-) What a great offer! Thanks Willy! Aloha, Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ram Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 3:06 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Gauges I am kosher for this deal Willy......as long ad you can support me for the adjustments! ;) Ram. On Apr 8, 2011, at 7:42 PM, Willy Hermann wrote: > Hi all - > > I have just bought a set of gauges from a shop which has quit working on Nakamichi decks. The idea I have is to rent/loan these the gauges to those on the forum who are working on their own decks as they need them. I'm not sure how interested anyone would be with me doing this or what the pitfalls of doing it would be (other than lots of admin time for me - good thing I'm retired ;-) ) I have attached the list of the gauges I just obtained. All look to be in perfect shape and could easily and fairly inexpensively be shipped back and forth. > > Please give me your feedback. > > Willy > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > ==== ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From joyell.solie at sasktel.net Sat Apr 9 02:51:14 2011 From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell) Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2011 18:51:14 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Gauges References: Message-ID: <001c01cbf650$3aa6fd30$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Willy, count me in, I would gladly pay some sort of rent to have access to these gauges when needed. Cheers, Rainer S. ----- Original Message ----- From: Willy Hermann To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 5:42 PM Subject: [naktalk] Gauges Hi all - I have just bought a set of gauges from a shop which has quit working on Nakamichi decks. The idea I have is to rent/loan these the gauges to those on the forum who are working on their own decks as they need them. I'm not sure how interested anyone would be with me doing this or what the pitfalls of doing it would be (other than lots of admin time for me - good thing I'm retired ;-) ) I have attached the list of the gauges I just obtained. All look to be in perfect shape and could easily and fairly inexpensively be shipped back and forth. Please give me your feedback. Willy ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. 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URL: From joyell.solie at sasktel.net Sat Apr 9 02:56:45 2011 From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell) Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2011 18:56:45 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 VS CR-7A References: <1190346545.788721.1302141698074.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <1687365588.789180.1302142290353.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <6A809DE3D3D91C4DA371BE6FC0954CE74A24605E0A@WSMSG3101V.srv.dir.telstra.com> Message-ID: <001001cbf650$ff70cbf0$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> David, did your mods/upgrades on the ZX-9 include anything that improved the recording , or just the playback? Cheers, Rainer S. ----- Original Message ----- From: Moore, David L To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 10:46 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 VS CR-7A For what it’s worth I owned both a CR-7 and ZX-9, and both from new back in the 80‘s After I purchased the CR-7 I did some detailing on the ZX-9 electronics – namely upgraded signal path op-amps and many caps. The end result was that it was transformed into a CR-7 killer. For that reason I sold the CR-7 a few years later. Yes it may have been possible to upgrade the CR-7 to a higher level of performance but that ZX-9 was a beast to be reckoned with. A friend of mine who is blind and an avid audiophile and could hear (back then) to 27kHz also conducted a ‘blind’ A-B test between the decks and nominated the ZX-9 every time. He stated to me that it was the best cassette deck he had ever heard, period, and that included every other high end Nak ever made as well as TOTL of every other brand. The moral here. If you own a ZX-9, upgrade it, look after it, don’t sell it. Cheers David ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.21, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16880) http://www.pctools.com ======= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.21, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16880) http://www.pctools.com/ ======= ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. 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Thanks...rich >Sent from my iPhone >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland When momentum meets resistance, push harder. From joyell.solie at sasktel.net Sat Apr 9 03:35:24 2011 From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell) Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2011 19:35:24 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Tapes you use to record References: <5EBA9E7D-91A9-4B9B-80A1-C5FD7C79519C@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000601cbf656$65ac1d70$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> The older TDK SA and my favorite is the older FUJI GT II for car. But I record mainly for playback in my vehicle Cheers, Rainer S. ---- Original Message ----- From: "Rich" To: Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 5:50 PM Subject: [naktalk] Tapes you use to record > > Maybe this has been covered before, so if it has I apologize. What tapes > do you use to record with. Your favorites? Thanks...rich > Sent from my iPhone > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ======= > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 7.0.0.21, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16880) > http://www.pctools.com/ > ======= ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.21, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16880) http://www.pctools.com/ ======= From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr Sat Apr 9 09:17:42 2011 From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (boitrel) Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2011 09:17:42 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Gauges In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DA00816.1030004@univ-rennes1.fr> Willy, That's a real shame I am in Europe... Best whishes Bernard Le 09/04/2011 01:42, Willy Hermann a écrit : > Hi all - > > I have just bought a set of gauges from a shop which has quit working > on Nakamichi decks. The idea I have is to rent/loan these the gauges > to those on the forum who are working on their own decks as they need > them. I'm not sure how interested anyone would be with me doing this > or what the pitfalls of doing it would be (other than lots of admin > time for me - good thing I'm retired ;-) ) I have attached the list > of the gauges I just obtained. All look to be in perfect shape and > could easily and fairly inexpensively be shipped back and forth. > > Please give me your feedback. > > Willy > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Sat Apr 9 11:10:06 2011 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 11:10:06 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Gauges In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002401cbf695$eb022f20$c1068d60$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Hi Willy, What a great offer !! If you are going to rent/loan the gauges worldwide you have to find a way to ship without paying tax. Recently i bought a few gauges on ebay and with shipping these to the Netherlands i have to pay almost 30 percent import tax. A considerable amount of money. Maybe it is possible to ship as a gift or something like that? Regards Norman Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens Willy Hermann Verzonden: zaterdag 9 april 2011 1:42 Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Onderwerp: [naktalk] Gauges Hi all - I have just bought a set of gauges from a shop which has quit working on Nakamichi decks. The idea I have is to rent/loan these the gauges to those on the forum who are working on their own decks as they need them. I'm not sure how interested anyone would be with me doing this or what the pitfalls of doing it would be (other than lots of admin time for me - good thing I'm retired ;-) ) I have attached the list of the gauges I just obtained. All look to be in perfect shape and could easily and fairly inexpensively be shipped back and forth. Please give me your feedback. Willy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Sat Apr 9 18:30:26 2011 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 08:30:26 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Gauges In-Reply-To: <8563149368876710577@unknownmsgid> References: <8563149368876710577@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Thanks for the feedback. Here's a proposal - let me know what you like and don't about it. I'll take a $100 deposit and send the gauges needed in a Priority Mail flatrate box - it's fairly cheap and convenient. Then when I get the gauges back I'll refund the $100 less a $10 charge plus my postage outbound. Sorry to the international guys - I think US only is the only thing that makes sense. There are just too many problems with international shipping - getting charged duty when you shouldn't as well as loss and theft. Feedback? How many of you would likely use the service? Willy On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 1:10 AM, Norman van Wijnen wrote: > Hi Willy, > > > > What a great offer !! If you are going to rent/loan the gauges worldwide > you have to find a way to ship without paying tax. Recently i bought a few > gauges on ebay and with shipping these to the Netherlands i have to pay > almost 30 percent import tax. A considerable amount of money. > > Maybe it is possible to ship as a gift or something like that? > > > > Regards Norman > > > > *Van:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *Namens > *Willy Hermann > *Verzonden:* zaterdag 9 april 2011 1:42 > *Aan:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Onderwerp:* [naktalk] Gauges > > > > Hi all - > > > > I have just bought a set of gauges from a shop which has quit working on > Nakamichi decks. The idea I have is to rent/loan these the gauges to those > on the forum who are working on their own decks as they need them. I'm not > sure how interested anyone would be with me doing this or what the pitfalls > of doing it would be (other than lots of admin time for me - good thing I'm > retired ;-) ) I have attached the list of the gauges I just obtained. All > look to be in perfect shape and could easily and fairly inexpensively be > shipped back and forth. > > > > Please give me your feedback. > > > > Willy > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ram. --- On Sat, 4/9/11, Willy Hermann wrote: From: Willy Hermann Subject: Re: [naktalk] Gauges To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Saturday, April 9, 2011, 12:30 PM Thanks for the feedback.  Here's a proposal - let me know what you like and don't about it.  I'll take a $100 deposit and send the gauges needed in a Priority Mail flatrate box - it's fairly cheap and convenient.  Then when I get the gauges back I'll refund the $100 less a $10 charge plus my postage outbound.   Sorry to the international guys - I think US only is the only thing that makes sense.  There are just too many problems with international shipping - getting charged duty when you shouldn't as well as loss and theft.   Feedback?  How many of you would likely use the service? Willy On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 1:10 AM, Norman van Wijnen wrote: Hi Willy,  What a great offer !!  If you are going to rent/loan the gauges worldwide you  have to find a way to ship without paying tax. Recently i bought a few gauges on ebay and with shipping these to the Netherlands i have to pay almost 30 percent import tax. A considerable amount of money. Maybe it is possible to ship as a gift or something like that?  Regards Norman  Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens Willy Hermann Verzonden: zaterdag 9 april 2011 1:42 Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Onderwerp: [naktalk] Gauges  Hi all - I have just bought a set of gauges from a shop which has quit working on Nakamichi decks.  The idea I have is to rent/loan these the gauges to those on the forum who are working on their own decks as they need them.  I'm not sure how interested anyone would be with me doing this or what the pitfalls of doing it would be (other than lots of admin time for me - good thing I'm retired ;-) )  I have attached the list of the gauges I just obtained.  All look to be in perfect shape and could easily and fairly inexpensively be shipped back and forth.  Please give me your feedback. Willy ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com Sat Apr 9 20:09:45 2011 From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 20:09:45 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Gauges In-Reply-To: References: <8563149368876710577@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <9992758D-E2F9-4266-92B7-BFEB267A8EE3@gmail.com> Hi from europe, Don´t we need the gauges only if we repace the heads? Most off us have no spare playback or record heads. Can we check the head high tilt by comparing it with a transport in good working condition? By taking the measurement with any plastic or wooden tool from one transport into the next, the perfect trasport? Anyway it is a very good Idea from willy. Thanks to willy! I think most of us Nak users would need alignment tapes only, to do the alignment. Willy should tell the users that you need a lot off technical expertness to work on the transport. Or just put out the transport to replace pinch rollers or heads. Happy listening! Gerhard/Vienna Am 09.04.2011 um 18:30 schrieb Willy Hermann: > Thanks for the feedback. Here's a proposal - let me know what you > like and don't about it. I'll take a $100 deposit and send the > gauges needed in a Priority Mail flatrate box - it's fairly cheap > and convenient. Then when I get the gauges back I'll refund the > $100 less a $10 charge plus my postage outbound. > > Sorry to the international guys - I think US only is the only thing > that makes sense. There are just too many problems with > international shipping - getting charged duty when you shouldn't as > well as loss and theft. > > Feedback? How many of you would likely use the service? > > Willy > > On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 1:10 AM, Norman van Wijnen > wrote: > Hi Willy, > > > What a great offer !! If you are going to rent/loan the gauges > worldwide you have to find a way to ship without paying tax. > Recently i bought a few gauges on ebay and with shipping these to > the Netherlands i have to pay almost 30 percent import tax. A > considerable amount of money. > > Maybe it is possible to ship as a gift or something like that? > > > Regards Norman > > > Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] > Namens Willy Hermann > Verzonden: zaterdag 9 april 2011 1:42 > Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Onderwerp: [naktalk] Gauges > > > Hi all - > > > I have just bought a set of gauges from a shop which has quit > working on Nakamichi decks. The idea I have is to rent/loan these > the gauges to those on the forum who are working on their own decks > as they need them. I'm not sure how interested anyone would be > with me doing this or what the pitfalls of doing it would be (other > than lots of admin time for me - good thing I'm retired ;-) ) I > have attached the list of the gauges I just obtained. 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Cheers, Rainer ----- Original Message ----- From: Willy Hermann To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Gauges Thanks for the feedback. Here's a proposal - let me know what you like and don't about it. I'll take a $100 deposit and send the gauges needed in a Priority Mail flatrate box - it's fairly cheap and convenient. Then when I get the gauges back I'll refund the $100 less a $10 charge plus my postage outbound. Sorry to the international guys - I think US only is the only thing that makes sense. There are just too many problems with international shipping - getting charged duty when you shouldn't as well as loss and theft. Feedback? How many of you would likely use the service? Willy On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 1:10 AM, Norman van Wijnen wrote: Hi Willy, What a great offer !! If you are going to rent/loan the gauges worldwide you have to find a way to ship without paying tax. Recently i bought a few gauges on ebay and with shipping these to the Netherlands i have to pay almost 30 percent import tax. A considerable amount of money. Maybe it is possible to ship as a gift or something like that? Regards Norman Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens Willy Hermann Verzonden: zaterdag 9 april 2011 1:42 Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Onderwerp: [naktalk] Gauges Hi all - I have just bought a set of gauges from a shop which has quit working on Nakamichi decks. The idea I have is to rent/loan these the gauges to those on the forum who are working on their own decks as they need them. I'm not sure how interested anyone would be with me doing this or what the pitfalls of doing it would be (other than lots of admin time for me - good thing I'm retired ;-) ) I have attached the list of the gauges I just obtained. All look to be in perfect shape and could easily and fairly inexpensively be shipped back and forth. Please give me your feedback. Willy ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. 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URL: From r1seals at yahoo.com Sat Apr 9 19:11:07 2011 From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 10:11:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Gauges In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <330798.31789.qm@web113312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>  wow Willy what a generous offer on theses gauges I'm in. --- On Sat, 4/9/11, Willy Hermann wrote: From: Willy Hermann Subject: Re: [naktalk] Gauges To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Saturday, April 9, 2011, 11:30 AM Thanks for the feedback.  Here's a proposal - let me know what you like and don't about it.  I'll take a $100 deposit and send the gauges needed in a Priority Mail flatrate box - it's fairly cheap and convenient.  Then when I get the gauges back I'll refund the $100 less a $10 charge plus my postage outbound.   Sorry to the international guys - I think US only is the only thing that makes sense.  There are just too many problems with international shipping - getting charged duty when you shouldn't as well as loss and theft.   Feedback?  How many of you would likely use the service? Willy On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 1:10 AM, Norman van Wijnen wrote: Hi Willy,  What a great offer !!  If you are going to rent/loan the gauges worldwide you  have to find a way to ship without paying tax. Recently i bought a few gauges on ebay and with shipping these to the Netherlands i have to pay almost 30 percent import tax. A considerable amount of money. Maybe it is possible to ship as a gift or something like that?  Regards Norman  Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens Willy Hermann Verzonden: zaterdag 9 april 2011 1:42 Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Onderwerp: [naktalk] Gauges  Hi all - I have just bought a set of gauges from a shop which has quit working on Nakamichi decks.  The idea I have is to rent/loan these the gauges to those on the forum who are working on their own decks as they need them.  I'm not sure how interested anyone would be with me doing this or what the pitfalls of doing it would be (other than lots of admin time for me - good thing I'm retired ;-) )  I have attached the list of the gauges I just obtained.  All look to be in perfect shape and could easily and fairly inexpensively be shipped back and forth.  Please give me your feedback. Willy ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yregelman at gmail.com Sat Apr 9 20:11:19 2011 From: yregelman at gmail.com (Yuri Regelman) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 11:11:19 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Gauges In-Reply-To: References: <8563149368876710577@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Willy, what a great idea! One thing you'll have to make sure is that people don't hold to the gauges for a long time, but ask for them when they are ready to use them, and send them back as soon as they are done, so that others get a chance to use them. That may mean that the refund may get smaller the longer one holds on to the gauges. Y On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Willy Hermann < willy at willyhermannservices.com> wrote: > Thanks for the feedback. Here's a proposal - let me know what you like and > don't about it. I'll take a $100 deposit and send the gauges needed in a > Priority Mail flatrate box - it's fairly cheap and convenient. Then when I > get the gauges back I'll refund the $100 less a $10 charge plus my postage > outbound. > > Sorry to the international guys - I think US only is the only thing that > makes sense. There are just too many problems with international shipping - > getting charged duty when you shouldn't as well as loss and theft. > > Feedback? How many of you would likely use the service? > > Willy > > On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 1:10 AM, Norman van Wijnen < > n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net> wrote: > >> Hi Willy, >> >> >> >> What a great offer !! If you are going to rent/loan the gauges worldwide >> you have to find a way to ship without paying tax. Recently i bought a few >> gauges on ebay and with shipping these to the Netherlands i have to pay >> almost 30 percent import tax. A considerable amount of money. >> >> Maybe it is possible to ship as a gift or something like that? >> >> >> >> Regards Norman >> >> >> >> *Van:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *Namens >> *Willy Hermann >> *Verzonden:* zaterdag 9 april 2011 1:42 >> *Aan:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> *Onderwerp:* [naktalk] Gauges >> >> >> >> Hi all - >> >> >> >> I have just bought a set of gauges from a shop which has quit working on >> Nakamichi decks. The idea I have is to rent/loan these the gauges to those >> on the forum who are working on their own decks as they need them. I'm not >> sure how interested anyone would be with me doing this or what the pitfalls >> of doing it would be (other than lots of admin time for me - good thing I'm >> retired ;-) ) I have attached the list of the gauges I just obtained. All >> look to be in perfect shape and could easily and fairly inexpensively be >> shipped back and forth. >> >> >> >> Please give me your feedback. >> >> >> >> Willy >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Sat Apr 9 21:55:36 2011 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 11:55:36 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Gauges In-Reply-To: <9992758D-E2F9-4266-92B7-BFEB267A8EE3@gmail.com> References: <8563149368876710577@unknownmsgid> <9992758D-E2F9-4266-92B7-BFEB267A8EE3@gmail.com> Message-ID: The most common need for these gauges is after the pinch roller rockers have been removed and cleaned due to hardening of lubricants. The tape guides are on the rocker arms and must be realigned correctly. Yes, you will also need test tapes but they are available for purchase from a variety of sources. Borrowing these gauges is an alternative to buying the gauge I had re-manufactured. Yes, you can approximate the correct guide position in various ways. These gauges just make the job much easier and more accurate. Willy On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Gerhard Wartha wrote: > Hi from europe, > > Don´t we need the gauges only if we repace the heads? Most off us have no > spare playback or record heads. > > Can we check the head high tilt by comparing it with a transport in good > working condition? > > By taking the measurement with any plastic or wooden tool from one > transport into the next, the perfect trasport? > > Anyway it is a very good Idea from willy. Thanks to willy! > > I think most of us Nak users would need alignment tapes only, to do the > alignment. > > Willy should tell the users that you need a lot off technical expertness to > work on the transport. Or just put out the transport > to replace pinch rollers or heads. > > Happy listening! > > Gerhard/Vienna > > Am 09.04.2011 um 18:30 schrieb Willy Hermann: > > Thanks for the feedback. Here's a proposal - let me know what you like and > don't about it. I'll take a $100 deposit and send the gauges needed in a > Priority Mail flatrate box - it's fairly cheap and convenient. Then when I > get the gauges back I'll refund the $100 less a $10 charge plus my postage > outbound. > > Sorry to the international guys - I think US only is the only thing that > makes sense. There are just too many problems with international shipping - > getting charged duty when you shouldn't as well as loss and theft. > > Feedback? How many of you would likely use the service? > > Willy > > On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 1:10 AM, Norman van Wijnen < > n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net> wrote: > >> Hi Willy, >> >> >> What a great offer !! If you are going to rent/loan the gauges worldwide >> you have to find a way to ship without paying tax. Recently i bought a few >> gauges on ebay and with shipping these to the Netherlands i have to pay >> almost 30 percent import tax. A considerable amount of money. >> >> Maybe it is possible to ship as a gift or something like that? >> >> >> Regards Norman >> >> >> *Van:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *Namens >> *Willy Hermann >> *Verzonden:* zaterdag 9 april 2011 1:42 >> *Aan:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> *Onderwerp:* [naktalk] Gauges >> >> >> Hi all - >> >> >> I have just bought a set of gauges from a shop which has quit working on >> Nakamichi decks. The idea I have is to rent/loan these the gauges to those >> on the forum who are working on their own decks as they need them. I'm not >> sure how interested anyone would be with me doing this or what the pitfalls >> of doing it would be (other than lots of admin time for me - good thing I'm >> retired ;-) ) I have attached the list of the gauges I just obtained. All >> look to be in perfect shape and could easily and fairly inexpensively be >> shipped back and forth. >> >> >> Please give me your feedback. >> >> >> Willy >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The 480 was a wedding present from a friend in the hi-fi business 30 years ago and, after many years of service (and maintenance), has been retired to its box in the attic. I bought the CR4A new whenever it was originally sold and used it off and on until a few months ago when the take up motor (or other related mechanism) ceased taking up, causing it to stop after a few seconds. The 2 680ZXs were my Dads and he he used them both heavily since he bought them in the early 80s, especially enjoying the half-speed feature. Each was sent back to Nak (in the old days) one or more times for servicing. They became mine when Dad passed away. One works well except that when you first turn it on, it starts playing and won't stop until you push the "stop" button a few times. The other seems mechanically fine but has a distortion issue on playback. My inclination has been to go ahead and get the CR4A repaired and returned to service...it's the newest one, has the least wear, and has worked well for me. From what I read on this forum, the 680s are great machines, but expensive to diagnose and repair and the continued functioning of the one that now works (mostly) may be questionable. Don't know about the 480...seems like the others are superior, so more worth focusing on. I'm curious what the perspective of this group is...fix one (or more)? If so which (and how...I'm not as talented at repairing as many in this forum, so would probably need to send off for repair). Or...scrap (sell) them all and track down something like the ZX-7 which has been the focus of so many notes in the past few days. I'd like to continue to have the ability to record/play cassettes at a high level of quality...the rest of my system is old, but pretty good. 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Then when I > get the gauges back I'll refund the $100 less a $10 charge plus my postage > outbound. > > Sorry to the international guys - I think US only is the only thing that > makes sense. There are just too many problems with international shipping - > getting charged duty when you shouldn't as well as loss and theft. > > Feedback? How many of you would likely use the service? Ken says: Wow very nice. And very useful! But I think you need to ask for a deposit that would cover the cost of the gauges plus some extra. If not, someone will just keep them and disappear. I hate to think this would happen, but it would just be a matter of time.... :( From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Apr 11 08:51:07 2011 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 08:51:07 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Donation: BX-100 Message-ID: <8f630486ebb0c72d525fdcecd9eb6679.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> We have a BX-100 donation in Pasadena TX 77505. The owner let a message: "I have a silver BX-100 in perfect condition. I replaced the pinch rollers about a year ago to sell it but never got around to doing that. I just want it to end up with someone who will appreciate it. I have the original box and manual also. Box is not in good condition" If you are interested let me know off-list. Wouter From laurenh at gmail.com Mon Apr 11 11:26:05 2011 From: laurenh at gmail.com (Lauren Horn) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 01:26:05 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Zx-9 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I hope you're too busy listening happily to update us. On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 2:36 AM, Rich wrote: > Picked up a zx-9 , 800 CAD . More to come. > > Sent from my iPhone > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From hockeyeast at yahoo.com Mon Apr 11 12:38:08 2011 From: hockeyeast at yahoo.com (Rich) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 06:38:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Zx-9 Message-ID: Still waiting on it...soon very soon! :) Sent from my iPhone From buttsjoc at gmail.com Tue Apr 12 02:04:53 2011 From: buttsjoc at gmail.com (John Butts) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:04:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Problem With 480 Recording Message-ID: Hello Naktalk, I'm new to the cassette deck world and I have been enjoying my father's 480. I have been using it primarily for recording guitar tracks and band practices, but I have recently been unable to overwrite existing recordings. When I attempt to record I am stuck with the original recording on the cassette with the new attempt very fuzzy in the background. I have cleaned the heads with isopropyl alcohol once and demagnetized the heads (but I only have a cassette style demagnetizer and in reading this doesn't seem to be enough). I am beginning to think it may be the eraser head and if so I was wondering if anyone had any input on how to go about a repair and a ballpark of how expensive it would be. Thanks you, John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have been using it primarily for recording guitar tracks and band practices, but I have recently been unable to overwrite existing recordings. When I attempt to record I am stuck with the original recording on the cassette with the new attempt very fuzzy in the background. I have cleaned the heads with isopropyl alcohol once and demagnetized the heads (but I only have a cassette style demagnetizer and in reading this doesn't seem to be enough). I am beginning to think it may be the eraser head and if so I was wondering if anyone had any input on how to go about a repair and a ballpark of how expensive it would be. Thanks you, John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Tue Apr 12 18:13:39 2011 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 08:13:39 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Problem With 480 Recording In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The bias oscillator is probably not working due to shorted or open capacitors C302 and C303. They are two orange drop 47--pf caps near the bias coil. After you replace them you should reset the bias frequency and levels but just replacing them will make the machine work again. Willy On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 4:04 PM, John Butts wrote: > Hello Naktalk, > > I'm new to the cassette deck world and I have been enjoying my father's > 480. I have been using it primarily for recording guitar tracks and band > practices, but I have recently been unable to overwrite existing recordings. > When I attempt to record I am stuck with the original recording on the > cassette with the new attempt very fuzzy in the background. I have cleaned > the heads with isopropyl alcohol once and demagnetized the heads (but I only > have a cassette style demagnetizer and in reading this doesn't seem to be > enough). I am beginning to think it may be the eraser head and if so I was > wondering if anyone had any input on how to go about a repair and a ballpark > of how expensive it would be. > > Thanks you, > > John > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The deck is in very good condition, everything works, it looks like new. I'm about to have the belts replace because it has not been done ever and you here a little wow/flutter. I can imagine however that someone wants to do it himself or done in a certain picky choosy way. The deck is in a really original state. So I'm about to put my best buy ever on Ebay. Why; I do not record anymore, when I play my tapes, I use an Akai gx75mklI (really). I do not use the ZX-7 at the moment. If anyone is interested please let me know, I can send pictures and stuff. Kind regards, Pieter Thole Amsterdam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If the oscillator works, but frequency is > w-a-y off, there would be similar symptoms. > > To check, view the output waveform with a 'scope. > I don't know of any other method to diagnose this, > so if you don't have a 'scope, consider having the > deck looked at by a pro. > > Good luck, > > -- Ron > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* John Butts > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Sent:* Mon, April 11, 2011 8:04:53 PM > *Subject:* [naktalk] Problem With 480 Recording > > Hello Naktalk, > > I'm new to the cassette deck world and I have been enjoying my father's > 480. I have been using it primarily for recording guitar tracks and band > practices, but I have recently been unable to overwrite existing recordings. > When I attempt to record I am stuck with the original recording on the > cassette with the new attempt very fuzzy in the background. I have cleaned > the heads with isopropyl alcohol once and demagnetized the heads (but I only > have a cassette style demagnetizer and in reading this doesn't seem to be > enough). I am beginning to think it may be the eraser head and if so I was > wondering if anyone had any input on how to go about a repair and a ballpark > of how expensive it would be. > > Thanks you, > > John > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I am beginning to think it may be the eraser head and if so I was wondering if anyone had any input on how to go about a repair and a ballpark of how expensive it would be. > > Thanks you, > > John > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Wed Apr 13 02:26:00 2011 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 00:26:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] RX-505: I'm Stumped Message-ID: <1087775062.1032575.1302654360019.JavaMail.root@sz0075a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Hi, Everyone: I have a repair on my workbench that is a real puzzle. It's an RX-505 in mint condition. It will ALWAYS load and play a tape on Side A. No problems at all. It will NEVER load or play a tape on Side B. The drawer closes, and after a few seconds, it opens again. If I try to fool it by playing a tape on Side A and then hitting the REVERSE button, the same thing happens -- it flips to Side B, and after a few seconds, the drawer opens again. It is VERY SIGNIFICANT to note that when the drawer closes on Side A, the take-up reel spins to tension the tape, but this NEVER happens when the drawer closes on Side B. It's as if the deck doesn't "realize" that the drawer is closed on Side B. Since it doesn't "realize" the drawer is closed on Side B, the take-up reel doesn't spin, and the Play/FF/RW functions are not available. I have done the following: 1) I have replaced the auto-reverse (UDAR) belt with an exact replacement. I MADE SURE TO REPOSITION THE DRAWER GEARS IN THE PROPER ORIENTATION WITH EACH OTHER, according to the service manual. 2) I have re-calibrated the drawer open/close and tape flip action, using the procedure outlined in the service manual (the one where you disconnect the switch that senses when the drawer is closed and then you short certain test points to get the drawer to flip to Side A, Side B, and then the tape flip position). 3) I have looked all over the drawer assembly for some kind of mechanical fault, but I have found nothing. So....Why won't this deck's drawer work on Side B, even though Side A works perfectly? Any help will be MUCH APPRECIATED! THANKS! *andy* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 14 00:01:24 2011 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 15:01:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Problem With 480 Recording In-Reply-To: <744057.23141.qm@web130123.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <598289.84398.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ron, Just curious, is the bias osc a square wave or a sine wave? Bob N --- On Tue, 4/12/11, Ron wrote: From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] Problem With 480 Recording To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 5:23 AM If your bias oscillator is weak or dead, the symptoms would be as your describe -- bad recordings and no erasure. If the oscillator works, but frequency is w-a-y off, there would be similar symptoms. To check, view the output waveform with a 'scope. I don't know of any other method to diagnose this, so if you don't have a 'scope, consider having the deck looked at by a pro. Good luck, -- Ron From: John Butts To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Mon, April 11, 2011 8:04:53 PM Subject: [naktalk] Problem With 480 Recording Hello Naktalk, I'm new to the cassette deck world and I have been enjoying my father's 480. I have been using it primarily for recording guitar tracks and band practices, but I have recently been unable to overwrite existing recordings. When I attempt to record I am stuck with the original recording on the cassette with the new attempt very fuzzy in the background. I have cleaned the heads with isopropyl alcohol once and demagnetized the heads (but I only have a cassette style demagnetizer and in reading this doesn't seem to be enough). I am beginning to think it may be the eraser head and if so I was wondering if anyone had any input on how to go about a repair and a ballpark of how expensive it would be. 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URL: From rpierce000 at centurytel.net Thu Apr 14 02:21:01 2011 From: rpierce000 at centurytel.net (Bob Pierce) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 17:21:01 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] RX-505: I'm Stumped In-Reply-To: <1087775062.1032575.1302654360019.JavaMail.root@sz0075a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <1087775062.1032575.1302654360019.JavaMail.root@sz0075a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <03df01cbfa39$d6b5ce30$84216a90$@net> Have you checked the phase of the moon and local gravitational differential between the sides of the unit? I would be looking at the sensor that tells it there is a tape in it on side B rather than A. I don’t have a 505, but I believe there is a dent in the tape that tells the unit which side it is on. Otherwise I would find a very soft wall and use my head as a wrecking ball… USE A SOFT WALL! DAMHIKT Bob From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 5:26 PM To: naktalk-pro at naks.com Cc: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] RX-505: I'm Stumped Hi, Everyone: I have a repair on my workbench that is a real puzzle. It's an RX-505 in mint condition. It will ALWAYS load and play a tape on Side A. No problems at all. It will NEVER load or play a tape on Side B. The drawer closes, and after a few seconds, it opens again. If I try to fool it by playing a tape on Side A and then hitting the REVERSE button, the same thing happens -- it flips to Side B, and after a few seconds, the drawer opens again. It is VERY SIGNIFICANT to note that when the drawer closes on Side A, the take-up reel spins to tension the tape, but this NEVER happens when the drawer closes on Side B. It's as if the deck doesn't "realize" that the drawer is closed on Side B. Since it doesn't "realize" the drawer is closed on Side B, the take-up reel doesn't spin, and the Play/FF/RW functions are not available. I have done the following: 1) I have replaced the auto-reverse (UDAR) belt with an exact replacement. I MADE SURE TO REPOSITION THE DRAWER GEARS IN THE PROPER ORIENTATION WITH EACH OTHER, according to the service manual. 2) I have re-calibrated the drawer open/close and tape flip action, using the procedure outlined in the service manual (the one where you disconnect the switch that senses when the drawer is closed and then you short certain test points to get the drawer to flip to Side A, Side B, and then the tape flip position). 3) I have looked all over the drawer assembly for some kind of mechanical fault, but I have found nothing. So....Why won't this deck's drawer work on Side B, even though Side A works perfectly? Any help will be MUCH APPRECIATED! THANKS! *andy* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From r1seals at yahoo.com Thu Apr 14 01:27:09 2011 From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 16:27:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Problem With 480 Recording In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <727704.73289.qm@web113309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> yea I had that problem with my 480 as well I changed those caps and works great can't remember  if it was Tom or Willy that told me about them. Good luck on it --- On Tue, 4/12/11, John Butts wrote: From: John Butts Subject: Re: [naktalk] Problem With 480 Recording To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 8:05 AM Thanks Ron, This is exciting as this is something I should be able to do with my father. I'm very fortunate I found this group, you guys are great and I am thankful for the response, it means a lot. John On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 8:23 AM, Ron wrote: If your bias oscillator is weak or dead, the symptoms would be as your describe -- bad recordings and no erasure. If the oscillator works, but frequency is w-a-y off, there would be similar symptoms. To check, view the output waveform with a 'scope. I don't know of any other method to diagnose this, so if you don't have a 'scope, consider having the deck looked at by a pro. Good luck, -- Ron From: John Butts To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Mon, April 11, 2011 8:04:53 PM Subject: [naktalk] Problem With 480 Recording Hello Naktalk, I'm new to the cassette deck world and I have been enjoying my father's 480. I have been using it primarily for recording guitar tracks and band practices, but I have recently been unable to overwrite existing recordings. When I attempt to record I am stuck with the original recording on the cassette with the new attempt very fuzzy in the background. I have cleaned the heads with isopropyl alcohol once and demagnetized the heads (but I only have a cassette style demagnetizer and in reading this doesn't seem to be enough). 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URL: From fergus.cullen at gmail.com Thu Apr 14 12:47:44 2011 From: fergus.cullen at gmail.com (Fergus Cullen) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 11:47:44 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RX-505: I'm Stumped In-Reply-To: <03df01cbfa39$d6b5ce30$84216a90$@net> References: <1087775062.1032575.1302654360019.JavaMail.root@sz0075a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <03df01cbfa39$d6b5ce30$84216a90$@net> Message-ID: Ha ha so funny! I have the same problem with a Philips 3 in 1 system I have. It's a cheap thing and I don't use it except for playing cds but I'd be curious to know what the solution might be. On 14 Apr 2011 09:03, "Bob Pierce" wrote: > Have you checked the phase of the moon and local gravitational differential between the sides of the unit? > > > > I would be looking at the sensor that tells it there is a tape in it on side B rather than A. I don’t have a 505, but I believe there is a dent in the tape that tells the unit which side it is on. > > > > Otherwise I would find a very soft wall and use my head as a wrecking ball… USE A SOFT WALL! DAMHIKT > > > > Bob > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net > Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 5:26 PM > To: naktalk-pro at naks.com > Cc: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] RX-505: I'm Stumped > > > > Hi, Everyone: > > I have a repair on my workbench that is a real puzzle. > > It's an RX-505 in mint condition. > > It will ALWAYS load and play a tape on Side A. No problems at all. > > It will NEVER load or play a tape on Side B. The drawer closes, and after a few seconds, it opens again. If I try to fool it by playing a tape on Side A and then hitting the REVERSE button, the same thing happens -- it flips to Side B, and after a few seconds, the drawer opens again. > > It is VERY SIGNIFICANT to note that when the drawer closes on Side A, the take-up reel spins to tension the tape, but this NEVER happens when the drawer closes on Side B. It's as if the deck doesn't "realize" that the drawer is closed on Side B. Since it doesn't "realize" the drawer is closed on Side B, the take-up reel doesn't spin, and the Play/FF/RW functions are not available. > > I have done the following: > > 1) I have replaced the auto-reverse (UDAR) belt with an exact replacement. I MADE SURE TO REPOSITION THE DRAWER GEARS IN THE PROPER ORIENTATION WITH EACH OTHER, according to the service manual. > > 2) I have re-calibrated the drawer open/close and tape flip action, using the procedure outlined in the service manual (the one where you disconnect the switch that senses when the drawer is closed and then you short certain test points to get the drawer to flip to Side A, Side B, and then the tape flip position). > > 3) I have looked all over the drawer assembly for some kind of mechanical fault, but I have found nothing. > > So....Why won't this deck's drawer work on Side B, even though Side A works perfectly? Any help will be MUCH APPRECIATED! > > THANKS! > > > *andy* > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hockeyeast at yahoo.com Thu Apr 14 13:58:09 2011 From: hockeyeast at yahoo.com (rich) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 04:58:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 1. [Fwd: My ZX-7] (Wouter Heijke) Message-ID: <542541.29151.qm@web31501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey wouter,      sounds like a nice deck. Funny, I was thinking about what you said hanging that poster up. Closest i ever got to a marantz receiver when i was a kid was a poster (still have it). I finially got a 2325 and remember being so happy about that. still have that too, running a pair of restored ar3a's. zx-9 on the way!!!   Rich -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From r1seals at yahoo.com Thu Apr 14 15:07:32 2011 From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 06:07:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] "Screeching" Sound in CR-7A In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <479340.78605.qm@web113319.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> That sounds like the tape try fast forwarding it and then rewind it and go from there I have had some prerecord tapes do that don't know if it's the slip sheet or the rollers in the cassette but I'm sure that some one on here can lend some more advice. --- On Wed, 4/13/11, Daniel Sun wrote: From: Daniel Sun Subject: [naktalk] "Screeching" Sound in CR-7A To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, April 13, 2011, 7:54 PM Hello everyone. Just last night while recording my CR-7A suddenly emitted a "high pitch" screeching sound, this occurs only in playback and recording mode. My deck has the gear drive upgrade and it sounds like friction to me when rubber parts rub against each other. Would the machine sustain more injury if I keep it playing? Hope this issue could be easily solved.   Rgds,   Daniel -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Apr 14 15:47:27 2011 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 15:47:27 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 1. [Fwd: My ZX-7] (Wouter Heijke) In-Reply-To: <542541.29151.qm@web31501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <542541.29151.qm@web31501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi, It is a nice deck (got one).. but I just forwarded the message, I did not write it! Wouter > Hey wouter, >   >    sounds like a nice deck. Funny, I was thinking about what you said > hanging that poster up. Closest i ever got to a marantz receiver when i > was a kid was a poster (still have it). I finially got a 2325 and remember > being so happy about that. still have that too, running a pair of restored > ar3a's. zx-9 on the way!!! >   > Rich From ronami at yahoo.com Thu Apr 14 16:44:56 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 07:44:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Problem With 480 Recording In-Reply-To: <598289.84398.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <598289.84398.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <969316.65940.qm@web130108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It's a sine wave, as pure (that is, as low distortion) as possible. A square wave (very high distortion content) would be a disaster. -- Ron ________________________________ From: Bob Naylor To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wed, April 13, 2011 6:01:24 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Problem With 480 Recording Ron, Just curious, is the bias osc a square wave or a sine wave? Bob N --- On Tue, 4/12/11, Ron wrote: >From: Ron >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Problem With 480 Recording >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Date: Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 5:23 AM > > >If your bias oscillator is weak or dead, the symptoms >would be as your describe -- bad recordings and no >erasure. If the oscillator works, but frequency is >w-a-y off, there would be similar symptoms. > >To check, view the output waveform with a 'scope. >I don't know of any other method to diagnose this, >so if you don't have a 'scope, consider having the >deck looked at by a pro. > >Good luck, > >-- Ron > > > > ________________________________ From: John Butts >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Mon, April 11, 2011 8:04:53 PM >Subject: [naktalk] Problem With 480 Recording > >Hello Naktalk, > >I'm new to the cassette deck world and I have been enjoying my father's 480. I >have been using it primarily for recording guitar tracks and band practices, but >I have recently been unable to overwrite existing recordings. When I attempt to >record I am stuck with the original recording on the cassette with the new >attempt very fuzzy in the background. I have cleaned the heads with isopropyl >alcohol once and demagnetized the heads (but I only have a cassette style >demagnetizer and in reading this doesn't seem to be enough). I am beginning to >think it may be the eraser head and if so I was wondering if anyone had any >input on how to go about a repair and a ballpark of how expensive it would be. > >Thanks you, > >John > >-----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Thu Apr 14 17:14:35 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 08:14:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] "Screeching" Sound in CR-7A In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <947368.44964.qm@web130101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If the high pitched squeaking occurs with a specific cassette, try to thoroughly clean the tape path (especially, the heads). It this doesn't help, that cassette is probably history. There are several schemes (search the web) for making it work for one last time, for copying it. If the noise occurs with all cassettes, press Play with no cassette in the well, but apply friction to the take up hub with two fingers, so it will rotate, but slower than it wants. If all is quiet, this exonerates the take up components, so I would suspect the supply hub components. To check those, press Play and with your fingers forcefully turn the supply hub counterclockwise. If the motion is rough or noise is actually heard, you know where to investigate further... Good luck, -- Ron ________________________________ From: Daniel Sun To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wed, April 13, 2011 8:54:06 PM Subject: [naktalk] "Screeching" Sound in CR-7A Hello everyone. Just last night while recording my CR-7A suddenly emitted a "high pitch" screeching sound, this occurs only in playback and recording mode. My deck has the gear drive upgrade and it sounds like friction to me when rubber parts rub against each other. Would the machine sustain more injury if I keep it playing? Hope this issue could be easily solved. Rgds, Daniel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Thu Apr 14 16:14:20 2011 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 07:14:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RE:RX-505: I'm Stumped In-Reply-To: <201104141017.p3EA8T6T010252@zxe.naks.com> References: <201104141017.p3EA8T6T010252@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <897517.61951.qm@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Hey Andy, It's a pot adjustment for the drawer and in the service manual. I had essentially the same problem development. Willy told me what page it's on and I went to it. All I remember is follow ALL the steps and don't shortcut. Unless you're lucky the first time, it's a fiddle/patience thing. Kevin ________________________________ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 00:26:00 +0000 (UTC) From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net Subject: [naktalk] RX-505: I'm Stumped To: naktalk-pro at naks.com Cc: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <1087775062.1032575.1302654360019.JavaMail.root at sz0075a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi, Everyone: I have a repair on my workbench that is a real puzzle. It's an RX-505 in mint condition. It will ALWAYS load and play a tape on Side A. No problems at all. It will NEVER load or play a tape on Side B. The drawer closes, and after a few seconds, it opens again. If I try to fool it by playing a tape on Side A and then hitting the REVERSE button, the same thing happens -- it flips to Side B, and after a few seconds, the drawer opens again. It is VERY SIGNIFICANT to note that when the drawer closes on Side A, the take-up reel spins to tension the tape, but this NEVER happens when the drawer closes on Side B. It's as if the deck doesn't "realize" that the drawer is closed on Side B. Since it doesn't "realize" the drawer is closed on Side B, the take-up reel doesn't spin, and the Play/FF/RW functions are not available. I have done the following: 1) I have replaced the auto-reverse (UDAR) belt with an exact replacement. I MADE SURE TO REPOSITION THE DRAWER GEARS IN THE PROPER ORIENTATION WITH EACH OTHER, according to the service manual. 2) I have re-calibrated the drawer open/close and tape flip action, using the procedure outlined in the service manual (the one where you disconnect the switch that senses when the drawer is closed and then you short certain test points to get the drawer to flip to Side A, Side B, and then the tape flip position). 3) I have looked all over the drawer assembly for some kind of mechanical fault, but I have found nothing. So....Why won't this deck's drawer work on Side B, even though Side A works perfectly? Any help will be MUCH APPRECIATED! THANKS! *andy* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dandhsun at gmail.com Thu Apr 14 17:03:10 2011 From: dandhsun at gmail.com (Daniel Sun) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 23:03:10 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] "Screeching" Sound in CR-7A In-Reply-To: <479340.78605.qm@web113319.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <479340.78605.qm@web113319.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes, at firstI thought it was the tape, but it happens with other tapes as well. Tonight the problem suddenly disappeared and I recorded 2 tapes with no problem. Could it be the hardening of grease at the pinch rollers? Daniel On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 9:07 PM, Russ Seals wrote: > That sounds like the tape try fast forwarding it and then rewind it and > go from there I have had some prerecord tapes do that don't know if it's the > slip sheet or the rollers in the cassette but I'm sure that some one on here > can lend some more advice. > > > --- On *Wed, 4/13/11, Daniel Sun * wrote: > > > From: Daniel Sun > Subject: [naktalk] "Screeching" Sound in CR-7A > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Wednesday, April 13, 2011, 7:54 PM > > > Hello everyone. Just last night while recording my CR-7A suddenly emitted > a "high pitch" screeching sound, this occurs only in playback and recording > mode. My deck has the gear drive upgrade and it sounds like friction to me > when rubber parts rub against each other. Would the machine sustain more > injury if I keep it playing? Hope this issue could be easily solved. > > Rgds, > > Daniel > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.commailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hhtltd at juno.com Thu Apr 14 19:28:46 2011 From: hhtltd at juno.com (hhtltd at juno.com) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 13:28:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RX-505: I'm Stumped Message-ID: <20110414.132846.2624.1.hhtltd@juno.com> Does this happen with any tape or just the onyou use for your tests? On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 00:26:00 +0000 (UTC) hwbosshoss at comcast.net writes: Hi, Everyone: I have a repair on my workbench that is a real puzzle. It's an RX-505 in mint condition. It will ALWAYS load and play a tape on Side A. No problems at all. It will NEVER load or play a tape on Side B. The drawer closes, and after a few seconds, it opens again. If I try to fool it by playing a tape on Side A and then hitting the REVERSE button, the same thing happens -- it flips to Side B, and after a few seconds, the drawer opens again. It is VERY SIGNIFICANT to note that when the drawer closes on Side A, the take-up reel spins to tension the tape, but this NEVER happens when the drawer closes on Side B. It's as if the deck doesn't "realize" that the drawer is closed on Side B. Since it doesn't "realize" the drawer is closed on Side B, the take-up reel doesn't spin, and the Play/FF/RW functions are not available. I have done the following: 1) I have replaced the auto-reverse (UDAR) belt with an exact replacement. I MADE SURE TO REPOSITION THE DRAWER GEARS IN THE PROPER ORIENTATION WITH EACH OTHER, according to the service manual. 2) I have re-calibrated the drawer open/close and tape flip action, using the procedure outlined in the service manual (the one where you disconnect the switch that senses when the drawer is closed and then you short certain test points to get the drawer to flip to Side A, Side B, and then the tape flip position). 3) I have looked all over the drawer assembly for some kind of mechanical fault, but I have found nothing. So....Why won't this deck's drawer work on Side B, even though Side A works perfectly? Any help will be MUCH APPRECIATED! THANKS! *andy* ____________________________________________________________ Groupon.com Official Site 1 huge daily deal on the best stuff to do in your city. Try it today! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4da72f228f00f3aba4m06duc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Thu Apr 14 22:31:56 2011 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 12:31:56 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RX-505: I'm Stumped In-Reply-To: <20110414.132846.2624.1.hhtltd@juno.com> References: <20110414.132846.2624.1.hhtltd@juno.com> Message-ID: Hi Andy - I have given this much thought over the last couple of days and can only come up with one thing - you didn't really get the gears back in the right place. It's a real bitch to see those little marks and if it's off one gear it will do exactly what you're describing. I can't think of anything else. The stop sensor is the same for A and B sides and you said you could calibrate it anyway. Take a close look at the marks - there are two spots where you can see meshing gears - each one has a pair of marks. Best of luck. Willy On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 9:28 AM, wrote: > Does this happen with any tape or just the onyou use for your tests? > > On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 00:26:00 +0000 (UTC) hwbosshoss at comcast.net writes: > > Hi, Everyone: > > I have a repair on my workbench that is a real puzzle. > > It's an RX-505 in mint condition. > > It will ALWAYS load and play a tape on Side A. No problems at all. > > It will NEVER load or play a tape on Side B. The drawer closes, and after a > few seconds, it opens again. If I try to fool it by playing a tape on Side > A and then hitting the REVERSE button, the same thing happens -- it flips to > Side B, and after a few seconds, the drawer opens again. > > It is VERY SIGNIFICANT to note that when the drawer closes on Side A, the > take-up reel spins to tension the tape, but this NEVER happens when the > drawer closes on Side B. It's as if the deck doesn't "realize" that the > drawer is closed on Side B. Since it doesn't "realize" the drawer is closed > on Side B, the take-up reel doesn't spin, and the Play/FF/RW functions are > not available. > > I have done the following: > > 1) I have replaced the auto-reverse (UDAR) belt with an exact replacement. > I MADE SURE TO REPOSITION THE DRAWER GEARS IN THE PROPER ORIENTATION WITH > EACH OTHER, according to the service manual. > > 2) I have re-calibrated the drawer open/close and tape flip action, using > the procedure outlined in the service manual (the one where you disconnect > the switch that senses when the drawer is closed and then you short certain > test points to get the drawer to flip to Side A, Side B, and then the tape > flip position). > > 3) I have looked all over the drawer assembly for some kind of mechanical > fault, but I have found nothing. > > So....Why won't this deck's drawer work on Side B, even though Side A works > perfectly? 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Willy On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 9:28 AM, wrote: Does this happen with any tape or just the onyou use for your tests? > > >On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 00:26:00 +0000 (UTC) hwbosshoss at comcast.net writes: >Hi, Everyone: >> >>I have a repair on my workbench that is a real puzzle. >> >>It's an RX-505 in mint condition. >> >>It will ALWAYS load and play a tape on Side A.  No problems at all. >> >>It will NEVER load or play a tape on Side B. The drawer closes, and after a few >>seconds, it opens again.  If I try to fool it by playing a tape on Side A and >>then hitting the REVERSE button, the same thing happens -- it flips to Side B, >>and after a few seconds, the drawer opens again. >> >>It is VERY SIGNIFICANT to note that when the drawer closes on Side A, the >>take-up reel spins to tension the tape, but this NEVER happens when the drawer >>closes on Side B.  It's as if the deck doesn't "realize" that the drawer is >>closed on Side B.  Since it doesn't "realize" the drawer is closed on Side B, >>the take-up reel doesn't spin, and the Play/FF/RW functions are not available. >> >>I have done the following: >> >>1) I have replaced the auto-reverse (UDAR) belt with an exact replacement.  I >>MADE SURE TO REPOSITION THE DRAWER GEARS IN THE PROPER ORIENTATION WITH EACH >>OTHER, according to the service manual. >> >>2) I have re-calibrated the drawer open/close and tape flip action, using the >>procedure outlined in the service manual (the one where you disconnect the >>switch that senses when the drawer is closed and then you short certain test >>points to get the drawer to flip to Side A, Side B, and then the tape flip >>position). >> >>3) I have looked all over the drawer assembly for some kind of mechanical fault, >>but I have found nothing. >> >>So....Why won't this deck's drawer work on Side B, even though Side A works >>perfectly?  Any help will be MUCH APPRECIATED! >> >>THANKS! >> >> >>*andy* >> > >____________________________________________________________ >Groupon.com Official Site >1 huge daily deal on the best stuff to do in your city. Try it today! >Groupon.com >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 15 00:21:59 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 15:21:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] "Screeching" Sound in CR-7A In-Reply-To: <947368.44964.qm@web130101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <947368.44964.qm@web130101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <567471.29582.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This sounds a lot like the sounds that the rollers at the two ends of a cassette shell would give. The best way? Do a tape transplant do a 'donor' shell. I keep a small stock of metal and ceramic shells that I transplant the tape to - for that one last time. Bala ________________________________ From: Ron To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thu, April 14, 2011 11:14:35 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] "Screeching" Sound in CR-7A If the high pitched squeaking occurs with a specific cassette, try to thoroughly clean the tape path (especially, the heads). It this doesn't help, that cassette is probably history. There are several schemes (search the web) for making it work for one last time, for copying it. If the noise occurs with all cassettes, press Play with no cassette in the well, but apply friction to the take up hub with two fingers, so it will rotate, but slower than it wants. If all is quiet, this exonerates the take up components, so I would suspect the supply hub components. To check those, press Play and with your fingers forcefully turn the supply hub counterclockwise. If the motion is rough or noise is actually heard, you know where to investigate further... Good luck, -- Ron ________________________________ From: Daniel Sun To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wed, April 13, 2011 8:54:06 PM Subject: [naktalk] "Screeching" Sound in CR-7A Hello everyone. Just last night while recording my CR-7A suddenly emitted a "high pitch" screeching sound, this occurs only in playback and recording mode. My deck has the gear drive upgrade and it sounds like friction to me when rubber parts rub against each other. Would the machine sustain more injury if I keep it playing? Hope this issue could be easily solved. Rgds, Daniel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com Sun Apr 17 09:28:01 2011 From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 09:28:01 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL Message-ID: Dear Willy and all off you Nak Electronics! Do you know how to look for an Error if a 1000 ZXL just shows every light from the Range Peak-Level Meters and all calibration lights at the same time aluminized? If the Deck is on Power on , every light is on and bright. Without any input or output. Kind Regards Gerhard From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 17 10:32:49 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 01:32:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <322957.95984.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Gerhard, If a unit that has simply been switched on shows all the indicators illuminating, then there is a hardware fault on the deck. The way the ZXL displays an error (which it does when there is a problem with the calibration only), is by flashing all six rectangular indicators on the ABLE display only. Do the indicators change when you press any of the transport controls? Does the bar-graph display react when you change the indicator more from VU to peak? Regards, Bala ________________________________ From: Gerhard Wartha To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sun, April 17, 2011 5:28:01 PM Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL Dear Willy and all off you Nak Electronics! Do you know how to look for an Error if a 1000 ZXL just shows every light from the Range Peak-Level Meters and all calibration lights at the same time aluminized? If the Deck is on Power on , every light is on and bright. Without any input or output. Kind Regards Gerhard ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jean-jerome.prejean at orange.fr Fri Apr 15 17:44:50 2011 From: jean-jerome.prejean at orange.fr (Jean-Jerome PREJEAN) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 17:44:50 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] (no subject) Message-ID: <5993123.60829.1302882290866.JavaMail.www@wwinf1h09> Hi guys ! starting problems on DRAGON little whistleling at the beginning kind of weakness and then after RWD or FF for a few seconds it works normally From dandhsun at gmail.com Sat Apr 16 11:37:54 2011 From: dandhsun at gmail.com (Daniel Sun) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 17:37:54 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] "Screeching" Sound in CR-7A In-Reply-To: <947368.44964.qm@web130101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <947368.44964.qm@web130101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks for all your replies and I have learned a lot, incidentally when the incident occurred I was recording with TEAC vintage tape from the 1970's, I immediately tried playing other newer tapes and the same sound occur, I wonder if it is the insufficient torque of the take up hub. I tried Ron's suggestion and applied friction to the take up hub and it easily disengage in play mode. I cleaned the tape path and so far it is back to normal. I can recall this happened before and it simply cures itself and reoccurence is cyclical. Rgds, Daniel On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 11:14 PM, Ron wrote: > > If the high pitched squeaking occurs with a specific cassette, > try to thoroughly clean the tape path (especially, the heads). > It this doesn't help, that cassette is probably history. There > are several schemes (search the web) for making it work for > one last time, for copying it. > > If the noise occurs with all cassettes, press Play with no > cassette in the well, but apply friction to the take up hub > with two fingers, so it will rotate, but slower than it wants. > > If all is quiet, this exonerates the take up components, so I > would suspect the supply hub components. To check those, > press Play and with your fingers forcefully turn the supply > hub counterclockwise. If the motion is rough or noise is > actually heard, you know where to investigate further... > > Good luck, > > -- Ron > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Daniel Sun > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Wed, April 13, 2011 8:54:06 PM > > *Subject:* [naktalk] "Screeching" Sound in CR-7A > > Hello everyone. Just last night while recording my CR-7A suddenly emitted a > "high pitch" screeching sound, this occurs only in playback and recording > mode. My deck has the gear drive upgrade and it sounds like friction to me > when rubber parts rub against each other. Would the machine sustain more > injury if I keep it playing? Hope this issue could be easily solved. > > Rgds, > > Daniel > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alxwz.no.spam at gmail.com Sat Apr 16 19:24:20 2011 From: alxwz.no.spam at gmail.com (Alex W.) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 19:24:20 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] How to tell the age of a Dragon from serial no.? Message-ID: Hi, new to this list, so, first of all, hello to everybody! I'm thinking about purchasing my first Nak, and I'm about to go for the king (?), the Dragon. Given that the Dragon was produced for a long time (1983-1993), I'd like to know if/how one can tell from its serial no. when that specific deck was produced. The very deck in question has the serial no. 801 2xx68 (I x-ed 2 digits out for privacy reasons). It's a German (220 V) model. Maybe someone here can tell me its age? Apart from age itself, I wonder whether there are any significant changes that were made over time. Any caveats with certain model years? Regards, Alex From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com Sun Apr 17 14:54:47 2011 From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 14:54:47 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL In-Reply-To: <322957.95984.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <322957.95984.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <893988AB-D607-4785-8F7E-A2AB58EF8919@gmail.com> Hi, Bala, The indicators do not change by pressing or switching to something. The Capstan Motor do not move . Only the lights for calibration and the bar-graph display are full alluminated. all others stay dark and do not give any order by pressing them. Thank you very much. Gerhard Am 17.04.2011 um 10:32 schrieb Bala Ganesh Chandra: > Hi Gerhard, > > If a unit that has simply been switched on shows all the indicators > illuminating, then there is a hardware fault on the deck. The way > the ZXL displays an error (which it does when there is a problem > with the calibration only), is by flashing all six rectangular > indicators on the ABLE display only. > > Do the indicators change when you press any of the transport > controls? Does the bar-graph display react when you change the > indicator more from VU to peak? > > Regards, > Bala > > From: Gerhard Wartha > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Sun, April 17, 2011 5:28:01 PM > Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL > > Dear Willy and all off you Nak Electronics! > > Do you know how to look for an Error if a 1000 ZXL just shows > > every light from the Range Peak-Level Meters and all calibration > lights at the same time > aluminized? > > If the Deck is on Power on , every light is on and bright. Without > any input or output. > > Kind Regards > > > Gerhard > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com Sun Apr 17 15:34:04 2011 From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 15:34:04 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] How to tell the age of a Dragon from serial no.? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The age of the Deck is not so important. More Important is the using modus from the Deck. It should been used with good cassettes and not all day long. The Deck should not stay still without any use for a long time. There have been small changes from 1983 to 1993. You do not get a "newer or older Deck", There are all old and need some attention. Look close to the heads if you buy one. A 240 Volt model would be little better if you use it with 230Volt. Some Transformers can be soldered from 220 Volt/EU to 240 Volt/ Australia and GB. The Dragon is only one off the kings. There all little different Kings. There are like tools, every different tool for a little different use. reagards Gerhard Am 16.04.2011 um 19:24 schrieb Alex W.: > Hi, > > new to this list, so, first of all, hello to everybody! > > I'm thinking about purchasing my first Nak, and I'm about to go for > the king (?), the Dragon. > Given that the Dragon was produced for a long time (1983-1993), I'd > like to know if/how one can tell from its serial no. when that > specific deck was produced. > > The very deck in question has the serial no. 801 2xx68 (I x-ed 2 > digits out for privacy reasons). > It's a German (220 V) model. Maybe someone here can tell me its age? > > Apart from age itself, I wonder whether there are any significant > changes that were made over time. > Any caveats with certain model years? > > Regards, > Alex > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 17 16:38:41 2011 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 07:38:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] How to tell the age of a Dragon from serial no.? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <583384.95572.qm@web112703.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Alex, Welcome to the Nak Mecca. Dragon is a good choice and your serial number appears to be manufactured in late 1988 or early 1989. Check for a round black and white sticker on the back of the deck towards the right side for a year and the three month code around it. Thats the quarter of production in that year. Having said that, Dragon is finicky piece of machinery that needs to be used and serviced to function as intended by Nak. Willy Herman of California and ESL Labs are two trustworthy service centers in the USA, if you ever need service. Finally, although the most popular Nak,bar none, the Dragon is not King of Naks( arguably). That accolade goes to the 1000ZXL. Good luck with your machine. Ram. --- On Sat, 4/16/11, Alex W. wrote: From: Alex W. Subject: [naktalk] How to tell the age of a Dragon from serial no.? To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Saturday, April 16, 2011, 1:24 PM Hi, new to this list, so, first of all, hello to everybody! I'm thinking about purchasing my first Nak, and I'm about to go for the king (?), the Dragon. Given that the Dragon was produced for a long time (1983-1993), I'd like to know if/how one can tell from its serial no. when that specific deck was produced. The very deck in question has the serial no. 801 2xx68 (I x-ed 2 digits out for privacy reasons). It's a German (220 V) model. Maybe someone here can tell me its age? Apart from age itself, I wonder whether there are any significant changes that were made over time. Any caveats with certain model years? Regards, Alex ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 17 16:40:53 2011 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 07:40:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <5993123.60829.1302882290866.JavaMail.www@wwinf1h09> Message-ID: <334585.76582.qm@web112712.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Check your cam mode belt and replace it. If not cured, you need a service enter! Ram. --- On Fri, 4/15/11, Jean-Jerome PREJEAN wrote: From: Jean-Jerome PREJEAN Subject: [naktalk] (no subject) To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, April 15, 2011, 11:44 AM Hi guys ! starting problems on DRAGON little whistleling at the beginning kind of weakness and then after RWD or FF for a few seconds it works normally ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 17 18:33:54 2011 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 09:33:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon year! Message-ID: <913568.43211.qm@web112715.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Sorry Alex...rushed a bit. The serial number you indicate( 20xx68) is likely a deck of the early 199s Mostly 1991-1992 depending upon the second two xxs. The importance of a more recent Dragon is all required mods are already in the newer deck. Thanks and good luck. Ram. Hi Alex, Welcome to the Nak Mecca. Dragon is a good choice and your serial number appears to be manufactured in late 1988 or early 1989. Check for a round black and white sticker on the back of the deck towards the right side for a year and the three month code around it. Thats the quarter of production in that year. Having said that, Dragon is finicky piece of machinery that needs to be used and serviced to function as intended by Nak. Willy Herman of California and ESL Labs are two trustworthy service centers in the USA, if you ever need service. Finally, although the most popular Nak,bar none, the Dragon is not King of Naks( arguably). That accolade goes to the 1000ZXL. Good luck with your machine. Ram. --- On Sat, 4/16/11, Alex W. wrote: From: Alex W. Subject: [naktalk] How to tell the age of a Dragon from serial no.? To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Saturday, April 16, 2011, 1:24 PM Hi, new to this list, so, first of all, hello to everybody! I'm thinking about purchasing my first Nak, and I'm about to go for the king (?), the Dragon. Given that the Dragon was produced for a long time (1983-1993), I'd like to know if/how one can tell from its serial no. when that specific deck was produced. The very deck in question has the serial no. 801 2xx68 (I x-ed 2 digits out for privacy reasons). It's a German (220 V) model. Maybe someone here can tell me its age? Apart from age itself, I wonder whether there are any significant changes that were made over time. Any caveats with certain model years? Regards, Alex ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20110417/82d99e63/attachment.html Previous message: [naktalk] How to tell the age of a Dragon from serial no.? 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URL: From alxwz.no.spam at gmail.com Sun Apr 17 17:54:33 2011 From: alxwz.no.spam at gmail.com (Alex W.) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 17:54:33 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] How to tell the age of a Dragon from serial no.? In-Reply-To: <583384.95572.qm@web112703.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <583384.95572.qm@web112703.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi, thanks for the replies. It seems editing out those 2 digits wasn't such a great idea, so I'll give you another digit: 801 23x68 I've found reports of 26xxx serial numbers being from 1989 or 1990. Does the 801 indicate the model (Dragon) or the country it was produced for? I've also seen "A801" serial numbers. Thanks also for pointing out good service centers. However, sending a deck to North America is not practical for me. Any good service centers in Germany or elsewhere in Europe? Regards, Alex On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 16:38, shanti ramachandran wrote: > > Hi Alex, > Welcome to the Nak Mecca. > Dragon is a good choice and your serial number appears to be manufactured in late 1988 or early 1989. Check for a round black and white sticker on the back of the deck towards the right side for a year and the three month code around it. Thats the quarter of production in that year. > Having said that, Dragon is finicky piece of machinery that needs to be used and serviced to function as intended by Nak. Willy Herman of California and ESL Labs are two trustworthy service centers in the USA, if you ever need service. > Finally, although the most popular Nak,bar none, the Dragon is not King of Naks( arguably). That accolade goes to the 1000ZXL. > Good luck with your machine. > Ram. > > > --- On Sat, 4/16/11, Alex W. wrote: > > From: Alex W. > Subject: [naktalk] How to tell the age of a Dragon from serial no.? > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Saturday, April 16, 2011, 1:24 PM > > Hi, > > new to this list, so, first of all, hello to everybody! > > I'm thinking about purchasing my first Nak, and I'm about to go for > the king (?), the Dragon. > Given that the Dragon was produced for a long time (1983-1993), I'd > like to know if/how one can tell from its serial no. when that > specific deck was produced. > > The very deck in question has the serial no. 801 2xx68 (I x-ed 2 > digits out for privacy reasons). > It's a German (220 V) model. Maybe someone here can tell me its age? > > Apart from age itself, I wonder whether there are any significant > changes that were made over time. > Any caveats with certain model years? > > Regards, > Alex > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 17 20:48:34 2011 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 11:48:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Tape Web Site In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <545050.75031.qm@web112716.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Was it the following.? http://vintagecassettes.com/ Ram. --- On Sun, 4/17/11, Mark Exstedt wrote: From: Mark Exstedt Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Tape Web Site To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sunday, April 17, 2011, 2:06 PM I'm unable to find that web site which shows some 240 different cassette tapes all in their sealed plastic wraping. This link was posted on Naktalk many years ago. Sorry to say I lost all my email years ago and just can't find this cassette tape link. My sealed cassette tape collection consists of 84 different tapes! Yes they're all different. No two tapes have the identical length, time, type, wraping, brand, etc. Your help is greatly appreciated. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 17 21:19:18 2011 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 12:19:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Tape Web Site In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45417.31225.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I found this page, but, it's kind of lame compared to the massive blank tape gallery I saw a few years ago. ________________________________ From: Mark Exstedt To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sun, April 17, 2011 11:06:30 AM Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Tape Web Site I'm unable to find that web site which shows some 240 different cassette tapes all in their sealed plastic wraping. This link was posted on Naktalk many years ago. Sorry to say I lost all my email years ago and just can't find this cassette tape link. My sealed cassette tape collection consists of 84 different tapes! Yes they're all different. 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Yes they're all different. No two tapes have the identical length, time, type, wraping, brand, etc. Your help is greatly appreciated. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 17 22:29:24 2011 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 13:29:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] How to tell the age of a Dragon from serial no.? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <603895.17761.qm@web112704.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Your 26xxx series is from 1989 as is one example of mine.A801 is the code name for Dragon( all Dragn's have this prefix) I am sure you can send your deck to Britain's B&W for service. They are still servicing all Naks except the 1000ZXL. Ram. --- On Sun, 4/17/11, Alex W. wrote: From: Alex W. Subject: Re: [naktalk] How to tell the age of a Dragon from serial no.? To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Sunday, April 17, 2011, 11:54 AM Hi, thanks for the replies. It seems editing out those 2 digits wasn't such a great idea, so I'll give you another digit: 801 23x68 I've found reports of 26xxx serial numbers being from 1989 or 1990. Does the 801 indicate the model (Dragon) or the country it was produced for? I've also seen "A801" serial numbers. Thanks also for pointing out good service centers. However, sending a deck to North America is not practical for me. Any good service centers in Germany or elsewhere in Europe? Regards, Alex On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 16:38, shanti ramachandran wrote: > > Hi Alex, > Welcome to the Nak Mecca. > Dragon is a good choice and your serial number appears to be manufactured in late 1988 or early 1989. Check for a round black and white sticker on the back of the deck towards the right side for a year and the three month code around it. Thats the quarter of production in that year. > Having said that, Dragon is finicky piece of machinery that needs to be used and serviced to function as intended by Nak. Willy Herman of California and ESL Labs are two trustworthy service centers in the USA, if you ever need service. > Finally, although the most popular Nak,bar none, the Dragon is not King of Naks( arguably). That accolade goes to the 1000ZXL. > Good luck with your machine. > Ram. > > > --- On Sat, 4/16/11, Alex W. wrote: > > From: Alex W. > Subject: [naktalk] How to tell the age of a Dragon from serial no.? > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Saturday, April 16, 2011, 1:24 PM > > Hi, > > new to this list, so, first of all, hello to everybody! > > I'm thinking about purchasing my first Nak, and I'm about to go for > the king (?), the Dragon. > Given that the Dragon was produced for a long time (1983-1993), I'd > like to know if/how one can tell from its serial no. when that > specific deck was produced. > > The very deck in question has the serial no. 801 2xx68 (I x-ed 2 > digits out for privacy reasons). > It's a German (220 V) model. Maybe someone here can tell me its age? > > Apart from age itself, I wonder whether there are any significant > changes that were made over time. > Any caveats with certain model years? > > Regards, > Alex > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark8559 at hotmail.com Sun Apr 17 22:45:28 2011 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 14:45:28 -0600 Subject: FW: [naktalk] Cassette Tape Web Site In-Reply-To: <545050.75031.qm@web112716.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: , <545050.75031.qm@web112716.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: You're probably right. The web site may have changed their formatting. I remembered seeing hundreds of cassettes all listed on the same page/screen. Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 11:48:34 -0700 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Tape Web Site To: naktalk at naks.com Was it the following.? http://vintagecassettes.com/ Ram. --- On Sun, 4/17/11, Mark Exstedt wrote: From: Mark Exstedt Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Tape Web Site To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sunday, April 17, 2011, 2:06 PM I'm unable to find that web site which shows some 240 different cassette tapes all in their sealed plastic wraping. This link was posted on Naktalk many years ago. Sorry to say I lost all my email years ago and just can't find this cassette tape link. My sealed cassette tape collection consists of 84 different tapes! Yes they're all different. 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I post interesting links on my FAQ page when they come up, so these are probably the links. From: Mark Exstedt To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sun, April 17, 2011 11:06:30 AM Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Tape Web Site I'm unable to find that web site which shows some 240 different cassette tapes all in their sealed plastic wraping. This link was posted on Naktalk many years ago. Sorry to say I lost all my email years ago and just can't find this cassette tape link. My sealed cassette tape collection consists of 84 different tapes! Yes they're all different. No two tapes have the identical length, time, type, wraping, brand, etc. Your help is greatly appreciated. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: ATT00001 URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 18 00:26:32 2011 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 15:26:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] A functional Dragon Wireless Remote! Message-ID: <793776.15077.qm@web112708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi friends, I have been watching ebay trades for remotes for the Dragon tape deck for a while now and it seems to be getting obscene with prices topping $400 most recently. The question that kept bothering me was" Is a wired remote( the RM20) worth even $200? I thought not, being the right sided brain's buddy. Of course, the left side of the brain does make me indulge irrationally from time to time.But $200 for a remote an that too wired? nah...I was not going to plunk that kind of money. Ad $400 was definitely too much! I had purchased( a few years ago) our fellow member, Scott Johnson's remote for Naks wihtout its power supply( 12 v dc) and after reading on hi web site, opened up my remote control unit and removed the third jumper( there are 3 of them, one below the other in the older version). After this I plugged in the remote 7-8 pin into the back of my Dragon and powered the remote( Dragon does not power remotes from the remote socket)  Once the pilot power light lights up, use the supplied wireless remote as usual with only oe excepton. To reverse play the Dragon, press the One(1) button on the remote and voila, the One button makes the deck go to reverse play mode. To play the Dragon on forward play, simply press the play icon button. Thats it. Now I ave a remote that controls all Dragon remote functions and that too unwired! Whats more,when you either FF or REW via the remote and in these modes press the pause button on the remote(not the deck) , the deck goes into the cue mode like the classic transport decks do. I do not know if any one here has tried this or not, but I detailed this just so if you have Scott's remote, especially the first generation unit, you can use it with the Dragon pretty well. Just get a 12V dc transformer and remove jumper number three( bottom most one). So why buy an RM20 anymore?? Collector? Ok alright then. But here is a cheaper and much more efficient way out. Hope this helps at least one person. It did me. Thanks Scott. Ram. . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 18 01:44:11 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 16:44:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL In-Reply-To: <893988AB-D607-4785-8F7E-A2AB58EF8919@gmail.com> References: <322957.95984.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <893988AB-D607-4785-8F7E-A2AB58EF8919@gmail.com> Message-ID: <991880.45035.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Gerhard, I was expecting that. The 12volt should be working because there is one master supply to the deck that powers most electronics, capstan motors and lamps. The negative bias voltage for the VFD is also good. What seems to be a problem is the electronics as the light switching transistors seem to be permanently in the on position (shorted?) and the capstan electronics are not responding. If the deck was working well previously, I suppose you could start isolating the logic board and work your way troubleshooting from there. Check the capstan circuit first and see what the problem is. It is an always on circuit, so that has got to be turning. Next, take a look at the transport logic controls which are a group of logic gates and see if they react and latch accordingly. Regards, Bala ________________________________ From: Gerhard Wartha To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sun, April 17, 2011 8:54:47 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL Hi, Bala, The indicators do not change by pressing or switching to something. The Capstan Motor do not move . Only the lights for calibration and the bar-graph display are full alluminated. all others stay dark and do not give any order by pressing them. Thank you very much. Gerhard Am 17.04.2011 um 10:32 schrieb Bala Ganesh Chandra: Hi Gerhard, > >If a unit that has simply been switched on shows all the indicators >illuminating, then there is a hardware fault on the deck. The way the ZXL >displays an error (which it does when there is a problem with the calibration >only), is by flashing all six rectangular indicators on the ABLE display only. > > >Do the indicators change when you press any of the transport controls? Does the >bar-graph display react when you change the indicator more from VU to peak? > >Regards, >Bala > > > > ________________________________ From: Gerhard Wartha >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Sun, April 17, 2011 5:28:01 PM >Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL > >Dear Willy and all off you Nak Electronics! > >Do you know how to look for an Error if a 1000 ZXL just shows > >every light from the Range Peak-Level Meters and all calibration lights at the >same time >aluminized? > >If the Deck is on Power on , every light is on and bright. Without any input or >output. > >Kind Regards > > >Gerhard >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark8559 at hotmail.com Mon Apr 18 03:05:03 2011 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 19:05:03 -0600 Subject: FW: [naktalk] A functional Dragon Wireless Remote! In-Reply-To: <793776.15077.qm@web112708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <793776.15077.qm@web112708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: You're absolutely right Ram. I sold one Dragon RM20 remote lat year for $229 and the highest price I was aware of was $299. It makes a lot of sense to buy Scott Johnson's wireless remote control units. I also have one for the Nakamichi ST-7 tuner and get 16 stations via remote! (For the record: I did an A/B comparison test of the ST-7 to the McIntosh MR78 tuner and there was no or very little difference in sound quality.) I have yet to hook up the remote to the Dragon, since mine is mainly intended for recording purposes and gets minimum use. Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 15:26:32 -0700 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] A functional Dragon Wireless Remote! Hi friends, I have been watching ebay trades for remotes for the Dragon tape deck for a while now and it seems to be getting obscene with prices topping $400 most recently. The question that kept bothering me was" Is a wired remote( the RM20) worth even $200? I thought not, being the right sided brain's buddy. Of course, the left side of the brain does make me indulge irrationally from time to time.But $200 for a remote an that too wired? nah...I was not going to plunk that kind of money. Ad $400 was definitely too much! I had purchased( a few years ago) our fellow member, Scott Johnson's remote for Naks wihtout its power supply( 12 v dc) and after reading on hi web site, opened up my remote control unit and removed the third jumper( there are 3 of them, one below the other in the older version). After this I plugged in the remote 7-8 pin into the back of my Dragon and powered the remote( Dragon does not power remotes from the remote socket) Once the pilot power light lights up, use the supplied wireless remote as usual with only oe excepton. To reverse play the Dragon, press the One(1) button on the remote and voila, the One button makes the deck go to reverse play mode. To play the Dragon on forward play, simply press the play icon button. Thats it. Now I ave a remote that controls all Dragon remote functions and that too unwired! Whats more,when you either FF or REW via the remote and in these modes press the pause button on the remote(not the deck) , the deck goes into the cue mode like the classic transport decks do. I do not know if any one here has tried this or not, but I detailed this just so if you have Scott's remote, especially the first generation unit, you can use it with the Dragon pretty well. Just get a 12V dc transformer and remove jumper number three( bottom most one). So why buy an RM20 anymore?? Collector? Ok alright then. But here is a cheaper and much more efficient way out. Hope this helps at least one person. It did me. Thanks Scott. Ram. . ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: ATT00001 URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Mon Apr 18 04:22:11 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 19:22:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL In-Reply-To: <991880.45035.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <322957.95984.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <893988AB-D607-4785-8F7E-A2AB58EF8919@gmail.com> <991880.45035.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <638198.33858.qm@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This smells like a power supply issue. I think it's best (also, the easiest) to start by verifying that all voltages are OK and, if not, correct that problem first. Good luck, -- Ron ________________________________ From: Bala Ganesh Chandra To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sun, April 17, 2011 7:44:11 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL Hi Gerhard, I was expecting that. The 12volt should be working because there is one master supply to the deck that powers most electronics, capstan motors and lamps. The negative bias voltage for the VFD is also good. What seems to be a problem is the electronics as the light switching transistors seem to be permanently in the on position (shorted?) and the capstan electronics are not responding. If the deck was working well previously, I suppose you could start isolating the logic board and work your way troubleshooting from there. Check the capstan circuit first and see what the problem is. It is an always on circuit, so that has got to be turning. Next, take a look at the transport logic controls which are a group of logic gates and see if they react and latch accordingly. Regards, Bala ________________________________ From: Gerhard Wartha To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sun, April 17, 2011 8:54:47 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL Hi, Bala, The indicators do not change by pressing or switching to something. The Capstan Motor do not move . Only the lights for calibration and the bar-graph display are full alluminated. all others stay dark and do not give any order by pressing them. Thank you very much. Gerhard Am 17.04.2011 um 10:32 schrieb Bala Ganesh Chandra: Hi Gerhard, > >If a unit that has simply been switched on shows all the indicators >illuminating, then there is a hardware fault on the deck. The way the ZXL >displays an error (which it does when there is a problem with the calibration >only), is by flashing all six rectangular indicators on the ABLE display only. > > >Do the indicators change when you press any of the transport controls? Does the >bar-graph display react when you change the indicator more from VU to peak? > >Regards, >Bala > > > > ________________________________ From: Gerhard Wartha >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Sun, April 17, 2011 5:28:01 PM >Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL > >Dear Willy and all off you Nak Electronics! > >Do you know how to look for an Error if a 1000 ZXL just shows > >every light from the Range Peak-Level Meters and all calibration lights at the >same time >aluminized? > >If the Deck is on Power on , every light is on and bright. Without any input or >output. > >Kind Regards > > >Gerhard >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 18 04:22:24 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 19:22:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] A functional Dragon Wireless Remote! In-Reply-To: References: <793776.15077.qm@web112708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <27208.19719.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Mark, The real strength of the MR78 has to be its selectivity. I am not a fan of the sound quality of the MR-78, but one can never argue about it's selectivity and sensitivity. I was just awestruck of the way how it used to pull stations even without an antennae connected. With a good antennae like the Turk or Magnum Dynalab, it just gets much better. With a simple one element antennae, the same station starts sounding more warmer and better bass drive. With multipath issues sorted out (with an McIntosh MPI scope), treble and transparency gets even better. Sound quality wise, the MR-80 is fantastic although it can be fiddly. The '78 is the sound of tuner that gets people all crazy because it reveals the quality of the signal being fed in. But you know whats the biggest irony of it all? Some '78s start going crazy and produce a pop and crackling sound. The heart of the problem, I am told is an orange cap! Bala ________________________________ From: Mark Exstedt To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Mon, April 18, 2011 11:05:03 AM Subject: FW: [naktalk] A functional Dragon Wireless Remote! You're absolutely right Ram. I sold one Dragon RM20 remote lat year for $229 and the highest price I was aware of was $299. It makes a lot of sense to buy Scott Johnson's wireless remote control units. I also have one for the Nakamichi ST-7 tuner and get 16 stations via remote! (For the record: I did an A/B comparison test of the ST-7 to the McIntosh MR78 tuner and there was no or very little difference in sound quality.) I have yet to hook up the remote to the Dragon, since mine is mainly intended for recording purposes and gets minimum use. ________________________________ Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 15:26:32 -0700 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] A functional Dragon Wireless Remote! Hi friends, I have been watching ebay trades for remotes for the Dragon tape deck for a while now and it seems to be getting obscene with prices topping $400 most recently. The question that kept bothering me was" Is a wired remote( the RM20) worth even $200? I thought not, being the right sided brain's buddy. Of course, the left side of the brain does make me indulge irrationally from time to time.But $200 for a remote an that too wired? nah...I was not going to plunk that kind of money. Ad $400 was definitely too much! I had purchased( a few years ago) our fellow member, Scott Johnson's remote for Naks wihtout its power supply( 12 v dc) and after reading on hi web site, opened up my remote control unit and removed the third jumper( there are 3 of them, one below the other in the older version). After this I plugged in the remote 7-8 pin into the back of my Dragon and powered the remote( Dragon does not power remotes from the remote socket) Once the pilot power light lights up, use the supplied wireless remote as usual with only oe excepton. To reverse play the Dragon, press the One(1) button on the remote and voila, the One button makes the deck go to reverse play mode. To play the Dragon on forward play, simply press the play icon button. Thats it. Now I ave a remote that controls all Dragon remote functions and that too unwired! Whats more,when you either FF or REW via the remote and in these modes press the pause button on the remote(not the deck) , the deck goes into the cue mode like the classic transport decks do. I do not know if any one here has tried this or not, but I detailed this just so if you have Scott's remote, especially the first generation unit, you can use it with the Dragon pretty well. Just get a 12V dc transformer and remove jumper number three( bottom most one). So why buy an RM20 anymore?? Collector? Ok alright then. But here is a cheaper and much more efficient way out. Hope this helps at least one person. It did me. Thanks Scott. Ram. . ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Mon Apr 18 05:16:44 2011 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 20:16:44 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] A functional Dragon Wireless Remote! In-Reply-To: <793776.15077.qm@web112708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <793776.15077.qm@web112708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ram, you could link the dragon to a ta series receiver. The remote link controls the deck very well. Victor M. Gabrenas On Apr 17, 2011, at 3:26 PM, shanti ramachandran wrote: > Hi friends, > > I have been watching ebay trades for remotes for the Dragon tape deck for a while now and it seems to be getting obscene with prices topping $400 most recently. The question that kept bothering me was" Is a wired remote( the RM20) worth even $200? I thought not, being the right sided brain's buddy. Of course, the left side of the brain does make me indulge irrationally from time to time.But $200 for a remote an that too wired? nah...I was not going to plunk that kind of money. Ad $400 was definitely too much! > > I had purchased( a few years ago) our fellow member, Scott Johnson's remote for Naks wihtout its power supply( 12 v dc) and after reading on hi web site, opened up my remote control unit and removed the third jumper( there are 3 of them, one below the other in the older version). After this I plugged in the remote 7-8 pin into the back of my Dragon and powered the remote( Dragon does not power remotes from the remote socket) > > Once the pilot power light lights up, use the supplied wireless remote as usual with only oe excepton. To reverse play the Dragon, press the One(1) button on the remote and voila, the One button makes the deck go to reverse play mode. To play the Dragon on forward play, simply press the play icon button. Thats it. Now I ave a remote that controls all Dragon remote functions and that too unwired! Whats more,when you either FF or REW via the remote and in these modes press the pause button on the remote(not the deck) , the deck goes into the cue mode like the classic transport decks do. > > I do not know if any one here has tried this or not, but I detailed this just so if you have Scott's remote, especially the first generation unit, you can use it with the Dragon pretty well. Just get a 12V dc transformer and remove jumper number three( bottom most one). > > So why buy an RM20 anymore?? Collector? Ok alright then. But here is a cheaper and much more efficient way out. > > Hope this helps at least one person. It did me. Thanks Scott. > > Ram. > . > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hockeyeast at yahoo.com Sun Apr 17 22:33:37 2011 From: hockeyeast at yahoo.com (Rich) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 16:33:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-C90 Message-ID: <35EAE33E-137D-49A2-B65A-4F22D02863BB@yahoo.com> Are these so rare or good that they would be worth $100.00 plus? eBay. Sent from my iPhone From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Mon Apr 18 00:43:24 2011 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per Borgen) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 00:43:24 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Tape Web Site In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Mark, Just found this http://www.tapedeck.org Hope it might help. Best Regards Per From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Apr 18 09:16:21 2011 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 09:16:21 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] How to tell the age of a Dragon from serial no.? In-Reply-To: References: <583384.95572.qm@web112703.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9db10d53e294838bd2e821c683d8792e.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> According to registration database @ naks.com 23xxx is around 87/88. Registrated Dragons in the database go as high as 3xxxx for 1993 Wouter > Hi, > > thanks for the replies. > > It seems editing out those 2 digits wasn't such a great idea, so I'll > give you another digit: > 801 23x68 > > I've found reports of 26xxx serial numbers being from 1989 or 1990. > > Does the 801 indicate the model (Dragon) or the country it was produced > for? > I've also seen "A801" serial numbers. > > Thanks also for pointing out good service centers. However, sending a > deck to North America is not practical for me. > Any good service centers in Germany or elsewhere in Europe? > > Regards, > Alex > > On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 16:38, shanti ramachandran > wrote: >> >> Hi Alex, >> Welcome to the Nak Mecca. >> Dragon is a good choice and your serial number appears to be >> manufactured in late 1988 or early 1989. Check for a round black and >> white sticker on the back of the deck towards the right side for a year >> and the three month code around it. Thats the quarter of production in >> that year. >> Having said that, Dragon is finicky piece of machinery that needs to be >> used and serviced to function as intended by Nak. Willy Herman of >> California and ESL Labs are two trustworthy service centers in the USA, >> if you ever need service. >> Finally, although the most popular Nak,bar none, the Dragon is not King >> of Naks( arguably). That accolade goes to the 1000ZXL. >> Good luck with your machine. >> Ram. >> >> >> --- On Sat, 4/16/11, Alex W. wrote: >> >> From: Alex W. >> Subject: [naktalk] How to tell the age of a Dragon from serial no.? >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Date: Saturday, April 16, 2011, 1:24 PM >> >> Hi, >> >> new to this list, so, first of all, hello to everybody! >> >> I'm thinking about purchasing my first Nak, and I'm about to go for >> the king (?), the Dragon. >> Given that the Dragon was produced for a long time (1983-1993), I'd >> like to know if/how one can tell from its serial no. when that >> specific deck was produced. >> >> The very deck in question has the serial no. 801 2xx68 (I x-ed 2 >> digits out for privacy reasons). >> It's a German (220 V) model. Maybe someone here can tell me its age? >> >> Apart from age itself, I wonder whether there are any significant >> changes that were made over time. >> Any caveats with certain model years? >> >> Regards, >> Alex >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From perry.nak at comcast.net Mon Apr 18 14:16:38 2011 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 12:16:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon serial numbers Message-ID: <1062579242.1438262.1303128998395.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> As Wouter obviously correctly noted, 23xxx is late '87 or early '88. Any Dragon made after roughly 18000 will have all the latest changes, though after about 6000, they are fairly minor. The most significant one being an additional time delay added to the reverse motor start, to allow some time for the flywheels to coast closer to a stop. On a good Dragon, though, it takes ~6 seconds to come to a complete stop, so it is just there to reduce the current rush somewhat from the motors revering against rotation. They also have the final iteration of dual 10kuF power supply filter caps. Early decks had dual 6800uF, then progressed to one 6800 and one 10k, then the dual 10k. I normally change those decks to dual 10k, as I assume Nakamichi had a good reason to do this. The latest rev of the SM does not reflect this change. The later decks have different PCB board connectors on them than the earlier ones, a fun issue to run into, when troubleshooting between Dragons, and they are not interchangeable, unless you resolder. Even the pins are different. The latest decks include a plastic reinforcement over the solder points of the power transistors on the motor control board, presumably to reinforce the area and help prevent higher resistance pin solders over time, from expansion/contraction. There are other changes to the motor control board that prevent interchangeability. I'd highly recommend to avoid decks with SNs before 4000. Besides having a smaller right hand capstan and lacking a helper spring on the NAAC slide plate, there are a myriad of added caps, diodes and resistors to virtually every board surface, with the componenets glued right to the traces and solder points on the PCBs. The glue can cause conductivity/corrosion related issues, and makes repair a PITA. IIRC, the early decks have an issue with VR702/802 not working correctly or of limited use. I can't recall exactly. The NAAC on the earlier decks is less responsive and I've found more difficult to calibrate. Earlier decks are more likely to have the counter bulbs burn out sooner (30 year old light bulbs!), and are more likely to have the black anodized faceplate turn a black/purple color, as well. So as the OP asked, quite correctly, there is a good reason to know the SN and age of a Dragon, though a pristine deck with an 8000 SN, is likely to have less issues and be more reliable, than a mistreated, high mileage deck with a 23XXX SN, so if you can inspect it first, it is well worth the trouble. IMHO, a 23XXX deck is a great example. BTW, the dual voltage decks on any Nak I've come across do not have the year sticker on them, only the single voltage ones (120 or 240, only) do. I do not know why. The Dragon may be king of the auto reverse and playback decks, but the king of all decks is far more debatable, though based on rarity and desirability, I'd give the nod to a 1000ZXl Limited in great working condition. just don't ask me to work on one. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Mon Apr 18 14:48:26 2011 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 05:48:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-C90 In-Reply-To: <35EAE33E-137D-49A2-B65A-4F22D02863BB@yahoo.com> References: <35EAE33E-137D-49A2-B65A-4F22D02863BB@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <557170.54637.qm@web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> They might be "marginal" better than regular TDK MA of the same period. ________________________________ From: Rich To: "naktalk at naks.com" Sent: Sun, April 17, 2011 3:33:37 PM Subject: [naktalk] ZX-C90 Are these so rare or good that they would be worth $100.00 plus? eBay. Sent from my iPhone ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Apr 18 15:23:41 2011 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 06:23:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon serial numbers In-Reply-To: <1062579242.1438262.1303128998395.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <371701.92830.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> One major change that nobody seems to know is change of Dolby chip ( after 28000 or 29000 serial number) The Dolby chip is a sony chip and a seperate board was developed over the mother board to accommodate these changes   Also please avoid decks less than 5000 serial numbers as there are many components just soldered - wires rumnning all over ( looks like Nakamichi was figuring out lot of issues ) They are prone to Orange cap issues on every part of the deck   Dragon is still the king because it is well known among many non Nak maniacs Second large number of decks floating around Third is Dragon is the symbol of Naks top of the range products   1000 ZXL needs much more maintanence than Dragon   kannan --- On Mon, 4/18/11, perry.nak at comcast.net wrote: From: perry.nak at comcast.net Subject: [naktalk] Dragon serial numbers To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, April 18, 2011, 8:16 AM #yiv320782700 p {margin:0;} As Wouter obviously correctly noted, 23xxx is late '87 or early '88. Any Dragon made after roughly 18000 will have all the latest changes, though after about 6000, they are fairly minor.  The most significant one being an additional time delay added to the reverse motor start, to allow some time for the flywheels to coast closer to a stop. On a good Dragon, though, it takes ~6 seconds to come to a complete stop, so it is just there to reduce the current rush somewhat from the motors revering against rotation.  They also have the final iteration of dual 10kuF power supply filter caps.  Early decks had dual 6800uF, then progressed to one 6800 and one 10k, then the dual 10k.  I normally change those decks to dual 10k, as I assume Nakamichi had a good reason to do this.  The latest rev of the SM does not reflect this change. The later decks have different PCB board connectors on them than the earlier ones, a fun issue to run into, when troubleshooting between Dragons, and they are not interchangeable, unless you resolder. Even the pins are different. The latest decks include a plastic reinforcement over the solder points of the power transistors on the motor control board, presumably to reinforce the area and help prevent higher resistance pin solders over time, from expansion/contraction. There are other changes to the motor control board that prevent interchangeability.  I'd highly recommend to avoid decks with SNs before 4000.  Besides having a smaller right hand capstan and lacking a helper spring on the NAAC slide plate, there are a myriad of added caps, diodes and resistors to virtually every board surface, with the componenets glued right to the traces and solder points on the PCBs. The glue can cause conductivity/corrosion related issues, and makes repair a PITA. IIRC, the early decks have an issue with VR702/802 not working correctly or of limited use.  I can't recall exactly.  The NAAC on the earlier decks is less responsive and I've found more difficult to calibrate. Earlier decks are more likely to have the counter bulbs burn out sooner (30 year old light bulbs!), and are more likely to have the black anodized faceplate turn a black/purple color, as well.  So as the OP asked, quite correctly, there is a good reason to know the SN and age of  a Dragon, though a pristine deck with an 8000 SN, is likely to have less issues and be more reliable, than a mistreated, high mileage deck with a 23XXX SN, so if you can inspect it first, it is well worth the trouble.  IMHO, a 23XXX deck is a great example. BTW, the dual voltage decks on any Nak I've come across do not have the year sticker on them, only the single voltage ones (120 or 240, only) do.  I do not know why.  The Dragon may be king of the auto reverse and playback decks, but the king of all decks is far more debatable, though based on rarity and desirability, I'd give the nod to a 1000ZXl Limited in great working condition.  just don't ask me to work on one. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net Mon Apr 18 15:25:17 2011 From: N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net (N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:25:17 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon serial numbers In-Reply-To: <1062579242.1438262.1303128998395.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa .mail.comcast.net> References: <1062579242.1438262.1303128998395.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4460.145.44.29.96.1303133117.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> Hi, I have a late Dragon with a complete different dolby board inside. Very strange. I will have to look what serial my Dragon have. It's a pitty that my Dragon has a Sony Dolby Chip CX20188 (not world finest) so i use a Nakamichi NR200 combined with it. I did not find any information in the service manual about Dragon boards with CX chip. Norman Op Ma, 18 april, 2011 2:16 pm schreef perry.nak at comcast.net: > As Wouter obviously correctly noted, 23xxx is late '87 or early '88. Any > Dragon made after roughly 18000 will have all the latest changes, though > after about 6000, they are fairly minor. The most significant one being > an additional time delay added to the reverse motor start, to allow some > time for the flywheels to coast closer to a stop. On a good Dragon, > though, it takes ~6 seconds to come to a complete stop, so it is just > there to reduce the current rush somewhat from the motors revering > against rotation. They also have the final iteration of dual 10kuF power > supply filter caps. Early decks had dual 6800uF, then progressed to one > 6800 and one 10k, then the dual 10k. I normally change those decks to > dual 10k, as I assume Nakamichi had a good reason to do this. The latest > rev of the SM does not reflect this change. The later decks have > different PCB board connectors on them than the earlier ones, a fun issue > to run into, when troubleshooting between Dragons, and they are not > interchangeable, unless you resolder. Even the pins are different. The > latest decks include a plastic reinforcement over the solder points of > the power transistors on the motor control board, presumably to reinforce > the area and help prevent higher resistance pin solders over time, from > expansion/contraction. There are other changes to the motor control board > that prevent interchangeability. I'd highly recommend to avoid decks with > SNs before 4000. Besides having a smaller right hand capstan and lacking > a helper spring on the NAAC slide plate, there are a myriad of added > caps, diodes and resistors to virtually every board surface, with the > componenets glued right to the traces and solder points on the PCBs. The > glue can cause conductivity/corrosion related issues, and makes repair a > PITA. IIRC, the early decks have an issue with VR702/802 not working > correctly or of limited use. I can't recall exactly. The NAAC on the > earlier decks is less responsive and I've found more difficult to > calibrate. Earlier decks are more likely to have the counter bulbs burn > out sooner (30 year old light bulbs!), and are more likely to have the > black anodized faceplate turn a black/purple color, as well. So as the OP > asked, quite correctly, there is a good reason to know the SN and age of > a Dragon, though a pristine deck with an 8000 SN, is likely to have less > issues and be more reliable, than a mistreated, high mileage deck with a > 23XXX SN, so if you can inspect it first, it is well worth the trouble. > IMHO, a 23XXX deck is a great example. BTW, the dual voltage decks on any > Nak I've come across do not have the year sticker on them, only the > single voltage ones (120 or 240, only) do. I do not know why. The Dragon > may be king of the auto reverse and playback decks, but the king of all > decks is far more debatable, though based on rarity and desirability, I'd > give the nod to a 1000ZXl Limited in great working condition. just don't > ask me to work on > one.========---------------------------------------------------------==== > ===== > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From serge_sh at bk.ru Mon Apr 18 10:27:30 2011 From: serge_sh at bk.ru (Sergiy Shevchuk) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 12:27:30 +0400 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re[2]=3A_[naktalk]_Cassette_Tape_Web_Site?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Mark, Look for this: http://vintagecassettes.com/ They have more than 1800 cassettes. Best regards, Sergey. Mon, 18 Apr 2011 00:43:24 +0200 письмо от Per Borgen : > Hi Mark, > > Just found this > > http://www.tapedeck.org > > Hope it might help. > > Best Regards > > Per > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From josephjean at verizon.net Mon Apr 18 16:03:47 2011 From: josephjean at verizon.net (goodguy) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 10:03:47 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon serial numbers In-Reply-To: <371701.92830.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <1062579242.1438262.1303128998395.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <371701.92830.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0LJU00J0TPQ83C50@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> I just love my Dragon especially the way it eeks out performance on tapes that were not recorded on it. I do find the L-R calibration to be a bit cumbersome at times. I often left it warm up for 30 minutes before calibration. HOWEVER, this deck probably has need received a calibration since new. At 09:23 AM 4/18/2011, you wrote: >One major change that nobody seems to know is change of Dolby chip ( >after 28000 or 29000 serial number) >The Dolby chip is a sony chip and a seperate board was developed >over the mother board to accommodate these changes > >Also please avoid decks less than 5000 serial numbers as there are >many components just soldered - wires rumnning all over ( looks like >Nakamichi was figuring out lot of issues ) >They are prone to Orange cap issues on every part of the deck > >Dragon is still the king because it is well known among many non Nak maniacs >Second large number of decks floating around >Third is Dragon is the symbol of Naks top of the range products > >1000 ZXL needs much more maintanence than Dragon > >kannan > >--- On Mon, 4/18/11, perry.nak at comcast.net wrote: > >From: perry.nak at comcast.net >Subject: [naktalk] Dragon serial numbers >To: naktalk at naks.com >Date: Monday, April 18, 2011, 8:16 AM > >As Wouter obviously correctly noted, 23xxx is late '87 or early '88. >Any Dragon made after roughly 18000 will have all the latest >changes, though after about 6000, they are fairly minor. The most >significant one being an additional time delay added to the reverse >motor start, to allow some time for the flywheels to coast closer to >a stop. On a good Dragon, though, it takes ~6 seconds to come to a >complete stop, so it is just there to reduce the current rush >somewhat from the motors revering against rotation. They also have >the final iteration of dual 10kuF power supply filter caps. Early >decks had dual 6800uF, then progressed to one 6800 and one 10k, then >the dual 10k. I normally change those decks to dual 10k, as I >assume Nakamichi had a good reason to do this. The latest rev of >the SM does not reflect this change. The later decks have different >PCB board connectors on them than the earlier ones, a fun issue to >run into, when troubleshooting between Dragons, and they are not >interchangeable, unless you resolder. Even the pins are different. >The latest decks include a plastic reinforcement over the solder >points of the power transistors on the motor control board, >presumably to reinforce the area and help prevent higher resistance >pin solders over time, from expansion/contraction. There are other >changes to the motor control board that prevent >interchangeability. I'd highly recommend to avoid decks with SNs >before 4000. Besides having a smaller right hand capstan and >lacking a helper spring on the NAAC slide plate, there are a myriad >of added caps, diodes and resistors to virtually every board >surface, with the componenets glued right to the traces and solder >points on the PCBs. The glue can cause conductivity/corrosion >related issues, and makes repair a PITA. IIRC, the early decks have >an issue with VR702/802 not working correctly or of limited use. I >can't recall exactly. The NAAC on the earlier decks is less >responsive and I've found more difficult to calibrate. Earlier decks >are more likely to have the counter bulbs burn out sooner (30 year >old light bulbs!), and are more likely to have the black anodized >faceplate turn a black/purple color, as well. So as the OP asked, >quite correctly, there is a good reason to know the SN and age of a >Dragon, though a pristine deck with an 8000 SN, is likely to have >less issues and be more reliable, than a mistreated, high mileage >deck with a 23XXX SN, so if you can inspect it first, it is well >worth the trouble. IMHO, a 23XXX deck is a great example. BTW, the >dual voltage decks on any Nak I've come across do not have the year >sticker on them, only the single voltage ones (120 or 240, only) >do. I do not know why. The Dragon may be king of the auto reverse >and playback decks, but the king of all decks is far more debatable, >though based on rarity and desirability, I'd give the nod to a >1000ZXl Limited in great working condition. just don't ask me to work on one. > >-----Inline Attachment Follows----- > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! > http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >Naktalk at naks.com >mailinglist >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland When momentum meets resistance, push harder. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fred at marrscom.com Mon Apr 18 16:07:30 2011 From: fred at marrscom.com (Fred Marrs) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 09:07:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 4-18-11 FACTORY BELTS FOR ADDITIONAL BRANDS Message-ID: <4DAC45A2.7030601@marrscom.com> 4-18-11 Hello NakTalk Members, FACTORY BELTS FOR ADDITIONAL BRANDS Factory Belt Kits are now available for ALL Nakamichi Models. I have added a Dedicated email address for Nakamichi Questions and Orders. nakamichi at marrscom.com Factory Kit Additions : AIWA, AKAI, LUXMAN, MARANTZ, ONKYO, and YAMAHA. Coming Soon, __ PIONEER. Additional Models for these New Brands, will be added as time allows. These Belts are also being produced in Japan by my OEM factory, and like Nakamichi, are GUARANTEED to Meet Published Factory Specifications on YOUR machine, IF your Transport has been Fully Serviced. A WORD OF CAUTION : There are " OTHER " Belt sellers now claiming to have Nakamichi Factory Belt Kits. I can assure you, their Belts are NOT Factory Belts and are Manufactured in China OR Taiwan. Marrs is the ONLY source, for Belts that are produced by this OEM Factory in Japan, that was once CONTRACTED with Nakamichi, and provided them with All belts for New Machines, on the Production Line, Service Department and Parts Department. This is a Fact ! Response Time to your Questions will be faster if sent to: fred at marrscom.com This prevents your mail from getting buried in the eBay Crap. Thanks to everyone for your Past Business and Support ! Fred M. From perry.nak at comcast.net Tue Apr 19 13:44:12 2011 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 11:44:12 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon & Sony CX dolby Message-ID: <2146461974-1303213453-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1018606802-@bda469.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> My highest SN Dragon is 286xx, & I've never seen an added dolby board, so it must be above 29000. Where is it located? Where COULD you locate it! Was the CX used in any other deck? Good stuff to know! Of course none of this stops the Dragon from being one of my favorite decks! Thanks. Perry Esposito - From my phone From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Tue Apr 19 20:53:57 2011 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 20:53:57 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon & Sony CX dolby In-Reply-To: <2146461974-1303213453-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1018606802-@bda469.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <2146461974-1303213453-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1018606802-@bda469.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <000001cbfec3$235f7f50$6a1e7df0$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Hi, The serial of my Dragon is A801 29876 and it was delivered in 1993 as far as i know. I will send a picture of the mounted board so you can see. Regards Norman -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens perry.nak at comcast.net Verzonden: dinsdag 19 april 2011 13:44 Aan: Naktalk at naks.com Onderwerp: [naktalk] Dragon & Sony CX dolby My highest SN Dragon is 286xx, & I've never seen an added dolby board, so it must be above 29000. Where is it located? Where COULD you locate it! Was the CX used in any other deck? Good stuff to know! Of course none of this stops the Dragon from being one of my favorite decks! Thanks. Perry Esposito - From my phone ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Tue Apr 19 21:28:50 2011 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 21:28:50 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon & Sony CX dolby In-Reply-To: <000001cbfec3$235f7f50$6a1e7df0$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> References: <2146461974-1303213453-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1018606802-@bda469.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <000001cbfec3$235f7f50$6a1e7df0$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Message-ID: <000301cbfec8$02adccd0$08096670$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Hi all, Picture of the Dolby Board with Sony CX ic inside my Dragon. Norman -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens Norman van Wijnen Verzonden: dinsdag 19 april 2011 20:54 Aan: perry.nak at comcast.net; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Onderwerp: RE: [naktalk] Dragon & Sony CX dolby Hi, The serial of my Dragon is A801 29876 and it was delivered in 1993 as far as i know. I will send a picture of the mounted board so you can see. Regards Norman -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens perry.nak at comcast.net Verzonden: dinsdag 19 april 2011 13:44 Aan: Naktalk at naks.com Onderwerp: [naktalk] Dragon & Sony CX dolby My highest SN Dragon is 286xx, & I've never seen an added dolby board, so it must be above 29000. Where is it located? Where COULD you locate it! Was the CX used in any other deck? Good stuff to know! Of course none of this stops the Dragon from being one of my favorite decks! Thanks. Perry Esposito - From my phone ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Did you publish any results (statistics)? Regards, Alex On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 09:16, Wouter Heijke wrote: > According to registration database @ naks.com 23xxx is around 87/88. > Registrated Dragons in the database go as high as 3xxxx for 1993 > > Wouter > From rpierce000 at centurytel.net Wed Apr 20 03:33:00 2011 From: rpierce000 at centurytel.net (Bob Pierce) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 18:33:00 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] How to tell the age of a Dragon from serial no.? In-Reply-To: References: <583384.95572.qm@web112703.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <9db10d53e294838bd2e821c683d8792e.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <01af01cbfefa$e479fcb0$ad6df610$@net> If you cannot tell from the serial number, open its mouth and look at the teeth. Older dragons have lots of wear from flaming and eating princesses, not to mention biting knights in armor. DO NOT DO THIS with a conscious dragon, the flame hazard is extreme! (Where is the serial number on a dragon, anyway?) -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Alex W. Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 12:55 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] How to tell the age of a Dragon from serial no.? Many thanks to you all! This site is a great resource, I'm so glad I discovered it. Unfortunately, I didn't get that Dragon :-( Maybe some time else. I'm amazed at the prices those decks go for. For now, I'.ll have to settle for something more affordable, like a Cassette Deck 1. @ Wouter: Where is that database? I couldn't find anything like that. Is it just an internal database (I take that you are the owner of Naks.com and Naktalk), not accessible for list members? Did you publish any results (statistics)? Regards, Alex On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 09:16, Wouter Heijke wrote: > According to registration database @ naks.com 23xxx is around 87/88. > Registrated Dragons in the database go as high as 3xxxx for 1993 > > Wouter > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Apr 20 10:27:24 2011 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 10:27:24 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] How to tell the age of a Dragon from serial no.? In-Reply-To: References: <583384.95572.qm@web112703.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <9db10d53e294838bd2e821c683d8792e.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <74f78e85b1ec038318076272d90d90c1.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> If you registered your deck you can view it here: http://www.naks.com/register/view.html You can also see other decks registered and approximately see how old it is based on other registered decks. Register a deck can be done here: http://www.naks.com/register Thats it, very basic functionality but it kind of works... Wouter > @ Wouter: > Where is that database? I couldn't find anything like that. > Is it just an internal database (I take that you are the owner of > Naks.com and Naktalk), not accessible for list members? > Did you publish any results (statistics)? > > Regards, > Alex > > On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 09:16, Wouter Heijke wrote: >> According to registration database @ naks.com 23xxx is around 87/88. >> Registrated Dragons in the database go as high as 3xxxx for 1993 >> >> Wouter From bagua_dao at yahoo.com Wed Apr 20 11:05:22 2011 From: bagua_dao at yahoo.com (ying yang) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 02:05:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 680ZX cassette well bulb ? Message-ID: <607171.95436.qm@web110306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Can someone please let me know what is the specifications of the tiny green bulb in the cassette well if I am looking for one.   Any other link that I can look for a used/spare original .   Any difficulty for an amateur to replace without soldering if possible.   Thank you. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 20 14:05:35 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 05:05:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 680ZX cassette well bulb ? In-Reply-To: <607171.95436.qm@web110306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <607171.95436.qm@web110306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7396.43095.qm@web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Check with Luis who has a nice LED replacement for such applications. They were pretty nice and should last long. The space where the lamp lives is quite small and that lamp usually blows out easily. Bala ________________________________ From: ying yang To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wed, April 20, 2011 7:05:22 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nak 680ZX cassette well bulb ? Can someone please let me know what is the specifications of the tiny green bulb in the cassette well if I am looking for one. Any other link that I can look for a used/spare original . Any difficulty for an amateur to replace without soldering if possible. Thank you. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ziomaury at teletu.it Wed Apr 20 16:24:18 2011 From: ziomaury at teletu.it (Ziomaury) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 16:24:18 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor Message-ID: Hallo. I've tried to replace the idle tire on a CR7-E but unfortunately I've break the plastic idle arm. To replace the arm I think that the best is remove the complete reel motor. I don't understand how I must do it. Can somebody help me about this? Many thanks. Maurizio -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Wed Apr 20 22:25:07 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 13:25:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <266156.89238.qm@web130107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Maurizio, Removing the reel motor is a comparatively big job. Some people prefer to remove the transport form the deck. Personally, I prefer to do it in the deck. In any case, it's an elaborate job. If you've never done it, it's not a good idea to learn on your own CR07 :-). I highly recommend you have it done by a professional. If you insist on doing it yourself anyway, please let me now and I'll post instructions. Good luck, -- Ron From: Ziomaury To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wed, April 20, 2011 10:24:18 AM Subject: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor Hallo. I’ve tried to replace the idle tire on a CR7-E but unfortunately I’ve break the plastic idle arm. To replace the arm I think that the best is remove the complete reel motor. I don’t understand how I must do it. Can somebody help me about this? Many thanks. Maurizio -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmrecchia at gmail.com Wed Apr 20 17:24:37 2011 From: jmrecchia at gmail.com (Flavio Belato) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 12:24:37 -0300 Subject: [naktalk] Problems with Nakamichi Dragon Message-ID: Hello, my name is Flavio, I'm from Brazil and I have a Nakamichi Dragon in very beautifull cosmetic condition but with a strange trouble in auto-azimuth and in a speed motor system. The auto azimuth is totally crazy, because it keeps trying to calibrate for long time and I could listen a gear noise in so many times. The speed after 30 minutes in working start to decrease and go to stop, it just work again if the the deck is shutted off about two hours. I would like to know if someone had this problem and if is possible to be fixed. Thanks in advance. Flavio. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ziomaury at teletu.it Thu Apr 21 09:40:04 2011 From: ziomaury at teletu.it (Ziomaury) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 09:40:04 +0200 Subject: R: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor In-Reply-To: <266156.89238.qm@web130107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <266156.89238.qm@web130107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hallo Ron, Thanks for your explanation. I’m agree with you about that remove the reel motor is very difficult. There’s another way to replace the arm of idler tire without remove the reel motor? Thanks and regards, Maurizio P.S. Sorry for my English (very basic!) Da: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Per conto di Ron Inviato: mercoledì 20 aprile 2011 22:25 A: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Oggetto: Re: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor Maurizio, Removing the reel motor is a comparatively big job. Some people prefer to remove the transport form the deck. Personally, I prefer to do it in the deck. In any case, it's an elaborate job. If you've never done it, it's not a good idea to learn on your own CR07 :-). I highly recommend you have it done by a professional. If you insist on doing it yourself anyway, please let me now and I'll post instructions. Good luck, -- Ron From: Ziomaury < ziomaury at teletu.it> To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wed, April 20, 2011 10:24:18 AM Subject: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor Hallo. I’ve tried to replace the idle tire on a CR7-E but unfortunately I’ve break the plastic idle arm. To replace the arm I think that the best is remove the complete reel motor. I don’t understand how I must do it. Can somebody help me about this? Many thanks. Maurizio -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bagua_dao at yahoo.com Thu Apr 21 12:15:42 2011 From: bagua_dao at yahoo.com (ying yang) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 03:15:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 680ZX cassette well bulb ? Message-ID: <944341.30466.qm@web110304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>   "Check with Luis who has a nice LED replacement for such applications. They were pretty nice and should last long. The space where the lamp lives is quite small and that lamp usually blows out easily. Bala   "   So you are saying the LED replacement will not take up too much space in the cassette well and will it be easy to replace without doing more than it is necessary than replacing the same bulb and that no other parts will be required to be changed or added ?   By the way by "Luias " are you referring to Luis Peromarta Regert  ?   Thanks Baguadao -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 21 13:54:47 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 04:54:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 680ZX cassette well bulb ? In-Reply-To: <944341.30466.qm@web110304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <944341.30466.qm@web110304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <832795.36103.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The LED replacement will take up some space in the housing - it is a white housing at the top behind the face plate. The nature of the LED is such that it runs slightly cooler then the bulb and thus should have a longer life. The LED has a dropper resistor connected in series with it to lower the voltage. Yes, he is the person to check with. Bala ________________________________ From: ying yang To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, April 21, 2011 8:15:42 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nak 680ZX cassette well bulb ? "Check with Luis who has a nice LED replacement for such applications. They were pretty nice and should last long. The space where the lamp lives is quite small and that lamp usually blows out easily. Bala " So you are saying the LED replacement will not take up too much space in the cassette well and will it be easy to replace without doing more than it is necessary than replacing the same bulb and that no other parts will be required to be changed or added ? By the way by "Luias " are you referring to Luis Peromarta Regert ? Thanks Baguadao -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Thu Apr 21 16:37:36 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 07:37:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: R: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor In-Reply-To: References: <266156.89238.qm@web130107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <443323.39599.qm@web130104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > ... another way to replace the arm of idler tire without remove the reel motor? Not that I know of. There isn't enough room to work on the motor when it's installed in the deck. BTW, your English is fine. -- Ron ________________________________ From: Ziomaury To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thu, April 21, 2011 3:40:04 AM Subject: R: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor Hallo Ron, Thanks for your explanation. I’m agree with you about that remove the reel motor is very difficult. There’s another way to replace the arm of idler tire without remove the reel motor? Thanks and regards, Maurizio P.S. Sorry for my English (very basic!) Da:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Per conto di Ron Inviato: mercoledì 20 aprile 2011 22:25 A: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Oggetto: Re: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor Maurizio, Removing the reel motor is a comparatively big job. Some people prefer to remove the transport form the deck. Personally, I prefer to do it in the deck. In any case, it's an elaborate job. If you've never done it, it's not a good idea to learn on your own CR07 :-). I highly recommend you have it done by a professional. If you insist on doing it yourself anyway, please let me now and I'll post instructions. Good luck, -- Ron From: Ziomaury To:naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wed, April 20, 2011 10:24:18 AM Subject: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor Hallo. I’ve tried to replace the idle tire on a CR7-E but unfortunately I’ve break the plastic idle arm. To replace the arm I think that the best is remove the complete reel motor. I don’t understand how I must do it. Can somebody help me about this? Many thanks. Maurizio -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr Thu Apr 21 18:06:05 2011 From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (boitrel) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 18:06:05 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Removal of capstan flywheels on RX series Message-ID: <4DB055ED.2040508@univ-rennes1.fr> What is the best (simplest) way to remove both capstan flywheels on RX series ? Is the removal of the top of the slide mechanism compulsory ? Thanks bernard From marc at stager.com Thu Apr 21 21:30:41 2011 From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 15:30:41 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Selling 1000 Mk 2 Message-ID: <0LK000KKMOUCLPB0@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> I have a Nakamichi 1000 II in beautiful cosmetic condition. Front panel looks like new and the walnut case is nearly perfect. Mechanically it works fine but the electronics need servicing. It records nicely and meter works on the left channel. Does not record on the right. Meter does not move. Plays weakly with some noise on the right. No playback on the left. Right channel meter is good. Servicing this unit is a relatively simple affair - the preamps and bias circuit are easily accessible plug-in cards. It probably requires the change of a transistor or two and replacement of some caps. The cost of parts is actually very low. A service manual would be useful but not essential. (Meanwhile I still use and enjoy the sounds of a 682ZX, 582, and MR-1) Make me a fair offer. Can be picked up in NYC, or I'll ship at lowest possible cost. Thanks, Marc Stager Stager Sound Systems, New York City http://marc.stager.com/ tel: 212-595-4065 cel: 212-675-6000 From fgiddi at windstream.net Fri Apr 22 13:42:15 2011 From: fgiddi at windstream.net (Fran Giddinmgs) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 07:42:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon and BX300 Message-ID: <4DB16997.9070805@windstream.net> I am the original owner of a Dragon and BX 300 purchased in the mid/late eighties in Germany dual voltage etc. I will soon be listing these on E-bay but thought I would give the group first shot at these. I also have several decks Naks that I will probably have to sell. Any questions. Email: fgiddi at windstream.net or klipschmann77 at gmail.com Thank You Fran Giddings From perry.nak at comcast.net Sat Apr 23 12:57:58 2011 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 10:57:58 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Problems with Dragon Message-ID: <568974760-1303556280-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-754177513-@bda469.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Yes, a few of us have seen this type behavior, and while it is fixable, it is not an easy  one for a DIY, nor is it easy to describe. Best to send it to a qualified Nakamichi repair technician. I have no idea if there are any in Brazil. Perry Esposito - From my phone From ronami at yahoo.com Sat Apr 23 15:22:40 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 06:22:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon and BX300 In-Reply-To: <4DB16997.9070805@windstream.net> References: <4DB16997.9070805@windstream.net> Message-ID: <736046.60334.qm@web130104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It's always a good idea to include your location, asking prices and item condition in "I'd like to sell" posts. -- Ron ________________________________ From: Fran Giddinmgs To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Fri, April 22, 2011 7:42:15 AM Subject: [naktalk] Dragon and BX300 I am the original owner of a Dragon and BX 300 purchased in the mid/late eighties in Germany dual voltage etc. I will soon be listing these on E-bay but thought I would give the group first shot at these. I also have several decks Naks that I will probably have to sell. Any questions. Email: fgiddi at windstream.net or klipschmann77 at gmail.com Thank You Fran Giddings ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hhtltd at juno.com Fri Apr 22 17:40:39 2011 From: hhtltd at juno.com (hhtltd at juno.com) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 11:40:39 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon and BX300 Message-ID: <20110422.114040.748.0.hhtltd@juno.com> I would be interested in the original Dragon (dual voltage switch). What $ are you looking for? Also, what models are theNak decks you note you might have to sell. Thanks for the notice. \ Nino Moretti On Fri, 22 Apr 2011 07:42:15 -0400 Fran Giddinmgs writes: > I am the original owner of a Dragon and BX 300 purchased in the > mid/late > eighties in Germany > dual voltage etc. I will soon be listing these on E-bay but thought > I > would give the group first shot > at these. I also have several decks Naks that I will probably have > to sell. > Any questions. > > Email: fgiddi at windstream.net or klipschmann77 at gmail.com > > Thank You > > Fran Giddings > ========---------------------------------------------------------======== = > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------======== = > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------======== = > > ____________________________________________________________ Groupon.com Official Site 1 huge daily deal on the best stuff to do in your city. Try it today! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4db1a199540dc1cd7m06duc From ct.waveform at googlemail.com Sat Apr 23 13:10:22 2011 From: ct.waveform at googlemail.com (Christian Thomas) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:10:22 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon and BX300 In-Reply-To: <4DB16997.9070805@windstream.net> References: <4DB16997.9070805@windstream.net> Message-ID: Hi Fran I would be very interested in the BX-300. How much are you after and where is it. Best wishes Christian Thomas On 22 April 2011 12:42, Fran Giddinmgs wrote: > I am the original owner of a Dragon and BX 300 purchased in the mid/late > eighties in Germany > dual voltage etc. I will soon be listing these on E-bay but thought I would > give the group first shot > at these. I also have several decks Naks that I will probably have to > sell. > Any questions. > > Email: fgiddi at windstream.net or klipschmann77 at gmail.com > > Thank You > > Fran Giddings > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fgiddi at windstream.net Sat Apr 23 16:54:59 2011 From: fgiddi at windstream.net (fgiddi at windstream.net) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 14:54:59 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon and BX300 In-Reply-To: <736046.60334.qm@web130104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <4DB16997.9070805@windstream.net><736046.60334.qm@web130104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1591009954-1303570500-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-758900888-@bda2679.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I will correct that when I get home, thanks Ron. Fran Giddings Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Ron Sender: naktalk-bounces at naks.com Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 06:22:40 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon and BX300 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From fgiddi at windstream.net Sat Apr 23 16:57:00 2011 From: fgiddi at windstream.net (fgiddi at windstream.net) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 14:57:00 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon and BX300 In-Reply-To: <20110422.114040.748.0.hhtltd@juno.com> References: <20110422.114040.748.0.hhtltd@juno.com> Message-ID: <28998293-1303570621-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-991585866-@bda2679.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Thinking 750 USD for the Dragon. Thanks Fran Giddings Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: hhtltd at juno.com Sender: naktalk-bounces at naks.com Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 11:40:39 To: Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon and BX300 I would be interested in the original Dragon (dual voltage switch). What $ are you looking for? Also, what models are theNak decks you note you might have to sell. Thanks for the notice. \ Nino Moretti On Fri, 22 Apr 2011 07:42:15 -0400 Fran Giddinmgs writes: > I am the original owner of a Dragon and BX 300 purchased in the > mid/late > eighties in Germany > dual voltage etc. I will soon be listing these on E-bay but thought > I > would give the group first shot > at these. I also have several decks Naks that I will probably have > to sell. > Any questions. > > Email: fgiddi at windstream.net or klipschmann77 at gmail.com > > Thank You > > Fran Giddings > ========---------------------------------------------------------======== = > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------======== = > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------======== = > > ____________________________________________________________ Groupon.com Official Site 1 huge daily deal on the best stuff to do in your city. Try it today! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4db1a199540dc1cd7m06duc ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From fgiddi at windstream.net Sat Apr 23 17:51:45 2011 From: fgiddi at windstream.net (fgiddi at windstream.net) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 15:51:45 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon and BX300 In-Reply-To: References: <4DB16997.9070805@windstream.net> Message-ID: <104856964-1303573906-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-847405267-@bda2679.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I think 300 USD I am in Northeast Ohio, can send more details and pics if you want. Thanks Fran Giddings Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Christian Thomas Sender: naktalk-bounces at naks.com Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:10:22 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon and BX300 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 23 21:04:04 2011 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:04:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code! Message-ID: <932708.22333.qm@web112709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi, As all of you know, the Cr 7 is operable with its factory supplied infra red remote. I was wondering what was the code for that remote transmitter if I had to program a universal remote to work with it. I have not been able to program a SONY with its supplied Nakamichi code. If any one knows could you please share that info? Thanks Ram. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Sun Apr 24 01:31:07 2011 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 01:31:07 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code! In-Reply-To: <932708.22333.qm@web112709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <932708.22333.qm@web112709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000901cc020e$8530fe40$8f92fac0$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Hi Ram, Maybe you have to look here: http://www.remotecentral.com/cgi-bin/codes/nakamichi/ca-7a/ Regards Norman Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens shanti ramachandran Verzonden: zaterdag 23 april 2011 21:04 Aan: naktalk at naks.com Onderwerp: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code! Hi, As all of you know, the Cr 7 is operable with its factory supplied infra red remote. I was wondering what was the code for that remote transmitter if I had to program a universal remote to work with it. I have not been able to program a SONY with its supplied Nakamichi code. If any one knows could you please share that info? Thanks Ram. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fgiddi at windstream.net Sun Apr 24 05:30:10 2011 From: fgiddi at windstream.net (Fran Giddinmgs) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 23:30:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon and BX300 In-Reply-To: <736046.60334.qm@web130104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <4DB16997.9070805@windstream.net> <736046.60334.qm@web130104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4DB39942.6020802@windstream.net> On 4/23/2011 9:22 AM, Ron wrote: > > It's always a good idea to include your location, asking > prices and item condition in "I'd like to sell" posts. > > -- Ron > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Fran Giddinmgs > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Fri, April 22, 2011 7:42:15 AM > *Subject:* [naktalk] Dragon and BX300 > > I am the original owner of a Dragon and BX 300 purchased in the > mid/late eighties in Germany > dual voltage etc. I will soon be listing these on E-bay but thought I > would give the group first shot > at these. I also have several decks Naks that I will probably have to > sell. As requested Dragon 750 USD manual, original receipt and rm20 remote. BX 300 300 USD new belts from Mars. Located in Northeast Ohio halfway between Erie PA and Cleveland OH. > Any questions. > > Email: fgiddi at windstream.net or > klipschmann77 at gmail.com > > Thank You > > Fran Giddings > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fgiddi at windstream.net Sun Apr 24 05:32:19 2011 From: fgiddi at windstream.net (Fran Giddinmgs) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 23:32:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon and BX300 In-Reply-To: <20110422.114040.748.0.hhtltd@juno.com> References: <20110422.114040.748.0.hhtltd@juno.com> Message-ID: <4DB399C3.7070001@windstream.net> On 4/22/2011 11:40 AM, hhtltd at juno.com wrote: > I would be interested in the original Dragon (dual voltage switch). What > $ are you looking for? Also, > > what models are theNak decks you note you might have to sell. > > Thanks for the notice. > \ > Nino Moretti > > > On Fri, 22 Apr 2011 07:42:15 -0400 Fran Giddinmgs > writes: >> I am the original owner of a Dragon and BX 300 purchased in the >> mid/late >> eighties in Germany >> dual voltage etc. I will soon be listing these on E-bay but thought >> I >> would give the group first shot >> at these. I also have several decks Naks that I will probably have >> to sell. >> Any questions. >> >> Email: fgiddi at windstream.net or klipschmann77 at gmail.com >> >> Thank You >> >> Fran Giddings >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------======== > = >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------======== > = >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------======== > = >> > ____________________________________________________________ > Groupon.com Official Site > 1 huge daily deal on the best stuff to do in your city. Try it today! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4db1a199540dc1cd7m06duc > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > I have 3 functioning MR 1's and 1 parts MR 1, functioning MR 2, CR1, CR2, CR3 and a few other 2 head Naks. From fgiddi at windstream.net Sun Apr 24 05:33:48 2011 From: fgiddi at windstream.net (Fran Giddinmgs) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 23:33:48 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon and BX300 In-Reply-To: References: <4DB16997.9070805@windstream.net> Message-ID: <4DB39A1C.5040401@windstream.net> On 4/23/2011 7:10 AM, Christian Thomas wrote: > Hi Fran > I would be very interested in the BX-300. How much are you after and > where is it. > Best wishes > Christian Thomas > > On 22 April 2011 12:42, Fran Giddinmgs > wrote: > > I am the original owner of a Dragon and BX 300 purchased in the > mid/late eighties in Germany > dual voltage etc. I will soon be listing these on E-bay but > thought I would give the group first shot > at these. I also have several decks Naks that I will probably > have to sell. > Any questions. > > Email: fgiddi at windstream.net or > klipschmann77 at gmail.com > > Thank You > > Fran Giddings > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Christian, 300 USD OBO on the BX 300 Thank You Fran Giddings -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From serge_sh at bk.ru Sat Apr 23 21:18:28 2011 From: serge_sh at bk.ru (Sergiy Shevchuk) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 23:18:28 +0400 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re=3A_[naktalk]_Dragon_and_BX300?= In-Reply-To: <4DB16997.9070805@windstream.net> References: <4DB16997.9070805@windstream.net> Message-ID: I would like to purchase a Dragon. In any condition. Here, in Ukraine, I have a professional who can make service for any Nak! He serviced more than 60 Nak decks! So I'm not afraid to get Nak in any working condition! Thanks, Sergey. Fri, 22 Apr 2011 07:42:15 -0400 письмо от Fran Giddinmgs : > I am the original owner of a Dragon and BX 300 purchased in the mid/late > eighties in Germany > dual voltage etc. I will soon be listing these on E-bay but thought I > would give the group first shot > at these. I also have several decks Naks that I will probably have to sell. > Any questions. > > Email: fgiddi at windstream.net or klipschmann77 at gmail.com > > Thank You > > Fran Giddings > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ronami at yahoo.com Sun Apr 24 15:48:42 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 06:48:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code! In-Reply-To: <932708.22333.qm@web112709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <932708.22333.qm@web112709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <941471.53931.qm@web130120.mail.mud.yahoo.com> A long time ago I copied all remote codes from my CR-7 into a Marantz RC-5000i (same as Philips Pronto TSU1000). I subsequently sent the file to a couple of members here. Since then, I've lost both the file and the names of these members, but if any of them are reading this, they may be able to help? -- Ron ________________________________ From: shanti ramachandran To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sat, April 23, 2011 3:04:04 PM Subject: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code! Hi, As all of you know, the Cr 7 is operable with its factory supplied infra red remote. I was wondering what was the code for that remote transmitter if I had to program a universal remote to work with it. I have not been able to program a SONY with its supplied Nakamichi code. If any one knows could you please share that info? Thanks Ram. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 24 16:15:57 2011 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 07:15:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code! In-Reply-To: <000901cc020e$8530fe40$8f92fac0$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Message-ID: <290131.4843.qm@web112718.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> HI Norman, Now that has many many codes per function. How do I use these? Ram. --- On Sat, 4/23/11, Norman van Wijnen wrote: From: Norman van Wijnen Subject: RE: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code! To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Saturday, April 23, 2011, 7:31 PM Hi Ram,  Maybe you have to look here:http://www.remotecentral.com/cgi-bin/codes/nakamichi/ca-7a/  Regards Norman  Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens shanti ramachandran Verzonden: zaterdag 23 april 2011 21:04 Aan: naktalk at naks.com Onderwerp: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code!  Hi, As all of you know, the Cr 7 is operable with its factory supplied infra red remote. I was wondering what was the code for that remote transmitter if I had to program a universal remote to work with it. I have not been able to program a SONY with its supplied Nakamichi code. If any one knows could you please share that info? Thanks Ram.   -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 24 17:13:06 2011 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 08:13:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code! In-Reply-To: <941471.53931.qm@web130120.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <688332.64569.qm@web112712.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thanks Ron for letting the word out. I have an old SONY learning remote RM-P341 which came with an old receiver (in 1995) that happens to be a learning remote.  I was successful in teaching it to learn all the button's functions from the RM7c remote, including the azimuth. However, I am sure there is a code for programming non learning remotes. Thanks. Ram. --- On Sun, 4/24/11, Ron wrote: From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code! To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Sunday, April 24, 2011, 9:48 AM A long time ago I copied all remote codes from my CR-7 into a Marantz RC-5000i (same as Philips Pronto TSU1000). I subsequently sent the file to a couple of members here. Since then, I've lost both the file and the names of these members, but if any of them are reading this, they may be able to help? -- Ron From: shanti ramachandran To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sat, April 23, 2011 3:04:04 PM Subject: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code! Hi, As all of you know, the Cr 7 is operable with its factory supplied infra red remote. I was wondering what was the code for that remote transmitter if I had to program a universal remote to work with it. I have not been able to program a SONY with its supplied Nakamichi code. If any one knows could you please share that info? Thanks Ram. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fgiddi at windstream.net Sun Apr 24 14:10:02 2011 From: fgiddi at windstream.net (Fran Giddinmgs) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 08:10:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon and BX300 In-Reply-To: References: <4DB16997.9070805@windstream.net> Message-ID: <4DB4131A.6000500@windstream.net> On 4/23/2011 3:18 PM, Sergiy Shevchuk wrote: > I would like to purchase a Dragon. In any condition. Here, in Ukraine, I have a professional who can make service for any Nak! He serviced more than 60 Nak decks! > So I'm not afraid to get Nak in any working condition! > Thanks, > Sergey. > > > Fri, 22 Apr 2011 07:42:15 -0400 письмо от Fran Giddinmgs: > >> I am the original owner of a Dragon and BX 300 purchased in the mid/late >> eighties in Germany >> dual voltage etc. I will soon be listing these on E-bay but thought I >> would give the group first shot >> at these. I also have several decks Naks that I will probably have to sell. >> Any questions. >> >> Email: fgiddi at windstream.net or klipschmann77 at gmail.com >> >> Thank You >> >> Fran Giddings >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Sergiy, This Dragon is in original condition except for the transport lift belt which was replaced within the last six months. I used this deck for recording only and only for about 200 tapes, it has original Manual and RM200 remote. I bought it 11/28/1986 in Germany. I have the deck set up in my system and exercise it at least weekly. I would like 750 USD dont have any idea how much shipping to Ukraine would be But I can find out if you are still interested. Thank You Fran Giddings From tamura.wilson at gmail.com Sun Apr 24 20:43:57 2011 From: tamura.wilson at gmail.com (wilson tamura) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 15:43:57 -0300 Subject: [naktalk] Problems with Dragon In-Reply-To: <568974760-1303556280-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-754177513-@bda469.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <568974760-1303556280-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-754177513-@bda469.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: Hi Perry, I'm DIY and technician. Not authorized Nak of course, because Nakamichi has never produced their products here in Brasil. I live in Brasil too, and have almost the same problem with my Dragon. After sometime in use, capstan motors stops. If somebody know how to fix it, it will be very helpfull, because to send this equipment to another country to fix, will be very expensive for us. Thanks, Wilson 2011/4/23 : > Yes, a few of us have seen this type behavior, and while it is fixable, it is not an easy  one for a DIY, nor is it easy to describe. Best to send it to a qualified Nakamichi repair technician. I have no idea if there are any in Brazil. > > > Perry Esposito - From my phone From fgiddi at windstream.net Sun Apr 24 21:31:30 2011 From: fgiddi at windstream.net (Fran Giddinmgs) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 15:31:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon and BX300 In-Reply-To: <4DB16997.9070805@windstream.net> References: <4DB16997.9070805@windstream.net> Message-ID: <4DB47A92.6020901@windstream.net> On 4/22/2011 7:42 AM, Fran Giddinmgs wrote: > I am the original owner of a Dragon and BX 300 purchased in the > mid/late eighties in Germany > dual voltage etc. I will soon be listing these on E-bay but thought I > would give the group first shot > at these. I also have several decks Naks that I will probably have to > sell. > Any questions. > > Email: fgiddi at windstream.net or klipschmann77 at gmail.com > > Thank You > > Fran Giddings > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > The Dragon has been sold. Thanks to all Fran Giddings From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Mon Apr 25 11:10:05 2011 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 11:10:05 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code! In-Reply-To: <290131.4843.qm@web112718.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <000901cc020e$8530fe40$8f92fac0$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> <290131.4843.qm@web112718.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001cc0328$92cdae70$b8690b50$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Hi Ram, You can see per function you have a great number . In our philips pronto remotes we can put this complete code and define a button for it. So the code for Tape Play is : 0000 006c 0022 0002 0159 00ab 0016 0040 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 05f6 0158 0056 0014 0e5c This is the code the original remote sends when pushing the play button. When you use remotes with a pre defined "database" inside then the way of programming is completely different. In that case you have to give the code for manufacturer and device. When you choose these pre defined codes (most 3 or 4 digits) the play button will also send 0000 006c 0022 0002 0159 00ab 0016 0040 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 05f6 0158 0056 0014 0e5c. I hope you understand the difference and i think that the link i send you was not helpfull for the remote you using. Regards Norman Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens shanti ramachandran Verzonden: zondag 24 april 2011 16:16 Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Onderwerp: RE: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code! HI Norman, Now that has many many codes per function. How do I use these? Ram. --- On Sat, 4/23/11, Norman van Wijnen wrote: From: Norman van Wijnen Subject: RE: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code! To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Saturday, April 23, 2011, 7:31 PM Hi Ram, Maybe you have to look here: http://www.remotecentral.com/cgi-bin/codes/nakamichi/ca-7a/ Regards Norman Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens shanti ramachandran Verzonden: zaterdag 23 april 2011 21:04 Aan: naktalk at naks.com Onderwerp: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code! Hi, As all of you know, the Cr 7 is operable with its factory supplied infra red remote. I was wondering what was the code for that remote transmitter if I had to program a universal remote to work with it. I have not been able to program a SONY with its supplied Nakamichi code. If any one knows could you please share that info? Thanks Ram. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From perry.nak at comcast.net Mon Apr 25 14:36:38 2011 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 12:36:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] Problems with Dragon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <748754260.1847910.1303734998957.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> All the issues are USUALLY confined to the motor control circuit board. Often it is just the 470uF cap on the 12V rail. (the only one and largest) On many decks, Nak put in 10V caps, so they gradually overload. Replace that cap with a 16V or 25V one. If that is not it then it is often the power transistors, especially on earlier decks. They tend to get too hot with age, and the solder connections to the PCB gradually get a higher resistance. You should be able to comfortably put your finger on those power transistors and they will be barely warm. If they are hot or may burn to the touch, then there is either very high friction of the capstan bearings, causing too much current draw to retain proper RPM, or the transistors need to be replaced. When you shut off the Dragon after the capstans have rotated to full speed, it should take around 6 seconds before they stop rotating on their own. If much shorter, then there is high friction, and the bearings should be serviced. Sometimes just resoldering the connections of the transistors to the PCB works to fix the issue. I sometimes just replace all the electrolytic caps on the motor control board, as it is fast and easy to do. There are crosses for the transistors, but I don't have them handy at the moment. ----- Original Message ----- From: "wilson tamura" To: "perry nak" , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 2:43:57 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Problems with Dragon Hi Perry, I'm DIY and technician. Not authorized Nak of course, because Nakamichi has never produced their products here in Brasil. I live in Brasil too, and have almost the same problem with my Dragon. After sometime in use, capstan motors stops. If somebody know how to fix it, it will be very helpfull, because to send this equipment to another country to fix, will be very expensive for us. Thanks, Wilson 2011/4/23 : > Yes, a few of us have seen this type behavior, and while it is fixable, it is not an easy one for a DIY, nor is it easy to describe. Best to send it to a qualified Nakamichi repair technician. I have no idea if there are any in Brazil. > > > Perry Esposito - From my phone -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 25 15:37:27 2011 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 06:37:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code! In-Reply-To: <000001cc0328$92cdae70$b8690b50$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Message-ID: <923165.97613.qm@web112707.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thanks Norman. I appreciate yours and Ron's effort in working up a solution.  Like I mentioned in an earlier post, the SONY RM-P341 works wonders now for me. This remote can learn all functions from the RM7C, button by button, without the need to enter all these codes! I had this remote since 1995 with an A/V Sony receiver I had bought then.Took it out and found it learns! It is available for $21 on ebay in brand new condition with a money back guaranty. Ram. --- On Mon, 4/25/11, Norman van Wijnen wrote: From: Norman van Wijnen Subject: RE: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code! To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Monday, April 25, 2011, 5:10 AM Hi Ram,  You can see per function you have a great number .  In our philips pronto remotes we can put this complete code and define a button for it. So the code for Tape Play  is :  0000 006c 0022 0002 0159 00ab 0016 0040 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 05f6 0158 0056 0014 0e5c  This is the code the original remote sends  when pushing the play button.  When you use remotes with a pre defined “database” inside then the way of programming is completely different. In that case  you have to give the code for manufacturer and device. When you choose these pre defined codes (most 3 or 4 digits) the play button will also send  0000 006c 0022 0002 0159 00ab 0016 0040 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 05f6 0158 0056 0014 0e5c.  I hope you understand the difference and i think that the link i send you was not helpfull for the remote you using.  Regards Norman      Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens shanti ramachandran Verzonden: zondag 24 april 2011 16:16 Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Onderwerp: RE: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code!  HI Norman, Now that has many many codes per function. How do I use these?  Ram. --- On Sat, 4/23/11, Norman van Wijnen wrote: From: Norman van Wijnen Subject: RE: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code! To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Saturday, April 23, 2011, 7:31 PMHi Ram, Maybe you have to look here:http://www.remotecentral.com/cgi-bin/codes/nakamichi/ca-7a/ Regards Norman Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens shanti ramachandran Verzonden: zaterdag 23 april 2011 21:04 Aan: naktalk at naks.com Onderwerp: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code! Hi, As all of you know, the Cr 7 is operable with its factory supplied infra red remote. I was wondering what was the code for that remote transmitter if I had to program a universal remote to work with it. I have not been able to program a SONY with its supplied Nakamichi code. If any one knows could you please share that info? Thanks Ram.  -----Inline Attachment Follows-----========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------=========   -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From daddyo at metrowebstudios.com Mon Apr 25 02:01:29 2011 From: daddyo at metrowebstudios.com (daddyo) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 18:01:29 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Repair service in Chicago? Message-ID: <4DB4B9D9.5070108@metrowebstudios.com> Hi, I have a Nakamichi CR-1A cassette deck that all of a sudden won't play. Anyone know of a repair service in the Chicago area? Thanks Ron From paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se Mon Apr 25 08:57:21 2011 From: paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?P=E4r_Ericsson?=) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 08:57:21 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Problems with Dragon References: <568974760-1303556280-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-754177513-@bda469.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <7F03576DF2BD44C5BCAAD08278E50C2F@superdator> Hi Wilson! Start with replacing all power transistors on the motor board. They have a tendency to fail when they get warm. I bought them on eBay. Good luck/Pelle. ----- Original Message ----- From: "wilson tamura" To: ; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 8:43 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Problems with Dragon > Hi Perry, > > I'm DIY and technician. Not authorized Nak of course, because > Nakamichi has never produced their products here in Brasil. > > I live in Brasil too, and have almost the same problem with my Dragon. > After sometime in use, capstan motors stops. > > If somebody know how to fix it, it will be very helpfull, because to > send this equipment to another country to fix, will be very expensive > for us. > > Thanks, > > Wilson > > 2011/4/23 : >> Yes, a few of us have seen this type behavior, and while it is fixable, >> it is not an easy one for a DIY, nor is it easy to describe. Best to send >> it to a qualified Nakamichi repair technician. I have no idea if there >> are any in Brazil. >> >> >> Perry Esposito - From my phone > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ziomaury at teletu.it Mon Apr 25 13:24:44 2011 From: ziomaury at teletu.it (ziomaury) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 13:24:44 +0200 Subject: R: R: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor In-Reply-To: <443323.39599.qm@web130104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <266156.89238.qm@web130107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <443323.39599.qm@web130104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: OK, I’ve understand. I must find a professional. Do you have notice about this, in Italy or Europe? Thanks and regards, Maurizio Da: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Per conto di Ron Inviato: giovedì 21 aprile 2011 16:38 A: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Oggetto: Re: R: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor > ... another way to replace the arm of idler tire without remove the reel motor? Not that I know of. There isn't enough room to work on the motor when it's installed in the deck. BTW, your English is fine. -- Ron _____ From: Ziomaury To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thu, April 21, 2011 3:40:04 AM Subject: R: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor Hallo Ron, Thanks for your explanation. I’m agree with you about that remove the reel motor is very difficult. There’s another way to replace the arm of idler tire without remove the reel motor? Thanks and regards, Maurizio P.S. Sorry for my English (very basic!) Da: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Per conto di Ron Inviato: mercoledì 20 aprile 2011 22:25 A: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Oggetto: Re: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor Maurizio, Removing the reel motor is a comparatively big job. Some people prefer to remove the transport form the deck. Personally, I prefer to do it in the deck. In any case, it's an elaborate job. If you've never done it, it's not a good idea to learn on your own CR07 :-). I highly recommend you have it done by a professional. If you insist on doing it yourself anyway, please let me now and I'll post instructions. Good luck, -- Ron From: Ziomaury < ziomaury at teletu.it> To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wed, April 20, 2011 10:24:18 AM Subject: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor Hallo. I’ve tried to replace the idle tire on a CR7-E but unfortunately I’ve break the plastic idle arm. To replace the arm I think that the best is remove the complete reel motor. I don’t understand how I must do it. Can somebody help me about this? Many thanks. Maurizio -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Tue Apr 26 02:43:38 2011 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 00:43:38 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code! In-Reply-To: <941471.53931.qm@web130120.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <932708.22333.qm@web112709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <941471.53931.qm@web130120.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello Ron, I am one of those that you sent the CR-7 Marantz RC-5000i file to. If you want to get a copy to replace your lost one I can attach it for all to share. Thanks. Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 06:48:42 -0700 From: ronami at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code! To: naktalk at naks.com A long time ago I copied all remote codes from my CR-7 into a Marantz RC-5000i (same as Philips Pronto TSU1000). I subsequently sent the file to a couple of members here. Since then, I've lost both the file and the names of these members, but if any of them are reading this, they may be able to help? -- Ron From: shanti ramachandran To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sat, April 23, 2011 3:04:04 PM Subject: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code! Hi, As all of you know, the Cr 7 is operable with its factory supplied infra red remote. I was wondering what was the code for that remote transmitter if I had to program a universal remote to work with it. I have not been able to program a SONY with its supplied Nakamichi code. If any one knows could you please share that info? Thanks Ram. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From npt at comcast.net Tue Apr 26 04:57:30 2011 From: npt at comcast.net (npt at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 02:57:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] BX-150 problem Message-ID: <611736423.433564.1303786650773.JavaMail.root@sz0068a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> OK, I just popped a tape into my deck, which was working like a champ, and now I hit the Play button, and nothing happens. Same if I hit FF or reverse; it sounds like the command is received and something's TRYING to happen, but nothing does. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brian.janke at comcast.net Tue Apr 26 05:30:45 2011 From: brian.janke at comcast.net (brian.janke at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 03:30:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000zxl - Distortion In-Reply-To: <478066290.452446.1303788191017.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1322747316.452746.1303788645985.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I am following up on an email I sent early this year (See Below).  Thanks to all for your assistance in January.  I am reaching out once again, before deciding to send it out to a qualified technician. I finally got around to replacing the two Electrolytic caps (C103 & C203) and all but one pair of the PP caps on the Dolby Playback board.  I could not find a pair of the C104 & C204 PP caps (5600p 100v).  No change, the deck functions just the same.  Playback sounds great initially, and after a few tracks, audio becomes distorted (actually "garbled")  :(.   Interesting Observation: After listening to multiple recordings after an hour or so,  I found that the distortion is not audible while the playback is at -40db to -20db as shown on the deck's meter.  Distortion becomes audible at -12db to -15db.  Very audible at -10db and nearly impossible to comprehend approaching 0db or more. Belts & motors seem strong.  I deoxidized the Tape/Source switch well.  I wonder if there is another board I should recap before sending it out to a tech.  I have read that all the orange caps should be replaced, but then the deck will have to be re-calabrted too.  I can work with a soldering iron, but I might be out of my league with calibrating.   January 2011 I acquired the 1000 ZXL this past Summer with an issue.  The audio is wonderful initially, until it warms up, then the distortion begins to set into the right channel and then the left.  Audio becomes "garbled."  Distortion becomes audible in 10-15 minutes from initial startup .  Very quickly, the distortion becomes too annoying.  After powering down for 20 minutes, the deck sounds briefly until the distortion returns.  I started to focus on the caps, but I wonder if it can be a transistor or microprocessor that fails when too warm.  Anyone have a suggestion? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ct.waveform at googlemail.com Tue Apr 26 13:49:01 2011 From: ct.waveform at googlemail.com (Christian Thomas) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:49:01 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000zxl - Distortion In-Reply-To: <1322747316.452746.1303788645985.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <478066290.452446.1303788191017.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <1322747316.452746.1303788645985.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: This sounds to me like something wrong in an amplifier stage. It could be a transistor - or two - that has come to its last moments. What is probably happening is that it is getting hot after a few tracks and then not doing what it should. Odd, though that it would appear to be on both sides. If you have a scope you could trace this from the tape amp onwards. If you don't, but have a service manual and a multimeter, then you could check all the voltages down the signal chain. It does sound like a job for someone reasonably expert so probably should be sent out to one of the techies you can find here. But beforehand, do make sure that the problem is actually with the deck. Ie. change the input it's using, test other sources through the amp and so on until you have eliminated any other possibilities. One other thing you might try is doing some looped recordings since this might narrow down where the fault lies. Hope this helps CT On 26 April 2011 04:30, wrote: > I am following up on an email I sent early this year (See Below). > Thanks to all for your assistance in January. I am reaching out once again, > before deciding to send it out to a qualified technician. > > > > I finally got around to replacing the two Electrolytic caps (C103 & C203) > and all but one pair of the PP caps on the Dolby Playback board. I could > not find a pair of the C104 & C204 PP caps (5600p 100v). No change, the > deck functions just the same. Playback sounds great initially, and after a > few tracks, audio becomes distorted (actually "garbled") :(. > > > > *Interesting Observation:* > > After listening to multiple recordings after an hour or so, I found that > the distortion is not audible while the playback is at -40db to -20db as > shown on the deck's meter. Distortion becomes audible at -12db to -15db. > Very audible at -10db and nearly impossible to comprehend approaching 0db or > more. > > > > Belts & motors seem strong. I deoxidized the Tape/Source switch well. I > wonder if there is another board I should recap before sending it out to a > tech. I have read that all the orange caps should be replaced, but then the > deck will have to be re-calabrted too. I can work with a soldering > iron, but I might be out of my league with calibrating. > > *January 2011* > I acquired the 1000 ZXL this past Summer with an issue. The audio is > wonderful initially, until it warms up, then the distortion begins to set > into the right channel and then the left. Audio becomes "garbled." > Distortion becomes audible in 10-15 minutes from initial startup. Very > quickly, the distortion becomes too annoying. After powering down for 20 > minutes, the deck sounds briefly until the distortion returns. I started to > focus on the caps, but I wonder if it can be a transistor or microprocessor > that fails when too warm. Anyone have a suggestion? > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From luis at peromarta.org Tue Apr 26 14:34:30 2011 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 14:34:30 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000zxl - Distortion In-Reply-To: References: <478066290.452446.1303788191017.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <1322747316.452746.1303788645985.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Trace the problem and see if it exists before the opamp on the playback board. Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. El 26/04/2011, a las 13:49, Christian Thomas escribió: > This sounds to me like something wrong in an amplifier stage. It could be a transistor - or two - that has come to its last moments. What is probably happening is that it is getting hot after a few tracks and then not doing what it should. Odd, though that it would appear to be on both sides. > > If you have a scope you could trace this from the tape amp onwards. If you don't, but have a service manual and a multimeter, then you could check all the voltages down the signal chain. It does sound like a job for someone reasonably expert so probably should be sent out to one of the techies you can find here. But beforehand, do make sure that the problem is actually with the deck. Ie. change the input it's using, test other sources through the amp and so on until you have eliminated any other possibilities. One other thing you might try is doing some looped recordings since this might narrow down where the fault lies. > > Hope this helps > > CT > > On 26 April 2011 04:30, wrote: > I am following up on an email I sent early this year (See Below). Thanks to all for your assistance in January. I am reaching out once again, before deciding to send it out to a qualified technician. > > > > I finally got around to replacing the two Electrolytic caps (C103 & C203) and all but one pair of the PP caps on the Dolby Playback board. I could not find a pair of the C104 & C204 PP caps (5600p 100v). No change, the deck functions just the same. Playback sounds great initially, and after a few tracks, audio becomes distorted (actually "garbled") :(. > > > > Interesting Observation: > > After listening to multiple recordings after an hour or so, I found that the distortion is not audible while the playback is at -40db to -20db as shown on the deck's meter. Distortion becomes audible at -12db to -15db. Very audible at -10db and nearly impossible to comprehend approaching 0db or more. > > > > Belts & motors seem strong. I deoxidized the Tape/Source switch well. I wonder if there is another board I should recap before sending it out to a tech. I have read that all the orange caps should be replaced, but then the deck will have to be re-calabrted too. I can work with a soldering iron, but I might be out of my league with calibrating. > > January 2011 > I acquired the 1000 ZXL this past Summer with an issue. The audio is wonderful initially, until it warms up, then the distortion begins to set into the right channel and then the left. Audio becomes "garbled." Distortion becomes audible in 10-15 minutes from initial startup. Very quickly, the distortion becomes too annoying. After powering down for 20 minutes, the deck sounds briefly until the distortion returns. I started to focus on the caps, but I wonder if it can be a transistor or microprocessor that fails when too warm. Anyone have a suggestion? > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Tue Apr 26 14:35:38 2011 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 14:35:38 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000zxl - Distortion In-Reply-To: References: <478066290.452446.1303788191017.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <1322747316.452746.1303788645985.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <17078137-E2C8-49AB-A9C5-7B1BC3EBEF43@peromarta.org> Also opamp offset needs to be checked. That would be my first candidate. Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. El 26/04/2011, a las 13:49, Christian Thomas escribió: > This sounds to me like something wrong in an amplifier stage. It could be a transistor - or two - that has come to its last moments. What is probably happening is that it is getting hot after a few tracks and then not doing what it should. Odd, though that it would appear to be on both sides. > > If you have a scope you could trace this from the tape amp onwards. If you don't, but have a service manual and a multimeter, then you could check all the voltages down the signal chain. It does sound like a job for someone reasonably expert so probably should be sent out to one of the techies you can find here. But beforehand, do make sure that the problem is actually with the deck. Ie. change the input it's using, test other sources through the amp and so on until you have eliminated any other possibilities. One other thing you might try is doing some looped recordings since this might narrow down where the fault lies. > > Hope this helps > > CT > > On 26 April 2011 04:30, wrote: > I am following up on an email I sent early this year (See Below). Thanks to all for your assistance in January. I am reaching out once again, before deciding to send it out to a qualified technician. > > > > I finally got around to replacing the two Electrolytic caps (C103 & C203) and all but one pair of the PP caps on the Dolby Playback board. I could not find a pair of the C104 & C204 PP caps (5600p 100v). No change, the deck functions just the same. Playback sounds great initially, and after a few tracks, audio becomes distorted (actually "garbled") :(. > > > > Interesting Observation: > > After listening to multiple recordings after an hour or so, I found that the distortion is not audible while the playback is at -40db to -20db as shown on the deck's meter. Distortion becomes audible at -12db to -15db. Very audible at -10db and nearly impossible to comprehend approaching 0db or more. > > > > Belts & motors seem strong. I deoxidized the Tape/Source switch well. I wonder if there is another board I should recap before sending it out to a tech. I have read that all the orange caps should be replaced, but then the deck will have to be re-calabrted too. I can work with a soldering iron, but I might be out of my league with calibrating. > > January 2011 > I acquired the 1000 ZXL this past Summer with an issue. The audio is wonderful initially, until it warms up, then the distortion begins to set into the right channel and then the left. Audio becomes "garbled." Distortion becomes audible in 10-15 minutes from initial startup. Very quickly, the distortion becomes too annoying. After powering down for 20 minutes, the deck sounds briefly until the distortion returns. I started to focus on the caps, but I wonder if it can be a transistor or microprocessor that fails when too warm. 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URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Tue Apr 26 15:23:03 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 06:23:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code! In-Reply-To: References: <932708.22333.qm@web112709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <941471.53931.qm@web130120.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <776759.97602.qm@web130120.mail.mud.yahoo.com> That'll be great. It will save me the trouble of re-creating the CR-7 CCF from scratch My RC-5000i dies a horrible death, taking with it all stored data. I just got a TSU7750 (color screen) on ebay and am planning to repeat the chore of 'doing' the remote all over again :-(. -- Ron ________________________________ From: winnie pooh To: naktalk Sent: Mon, April 25, 2011 8:43:38 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code! Hello Ron, I am one of those that you sent the CR-7 Marantz RC-5000i file to. If you want to get a copy to replace your lost one I can attach it for all to share. Thanks. ________________________________ Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 06:48:42 -0700 From: ronami at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code! To: naktalk at naks.com A long time ago I copied all remote codes from my CR-7 into a Marantz RC-5000i (same as Philips Pronto TSU1000). I subsequently sent the file to a couple of members here. Since then, I've lost both the file and the names of these members, but if any of them are reading this, they may be able to help? -- Ron ________________________________ From: shanti ramachandran To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sat, April 23, 2011 3:04:04 PM Subject: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code! Hi, As all of you know, the Cr 7 is operable with its factory supplied infra red remote. I was wondering what was the code for that remote transmitter if I had to program a universal remote to work with it. I have not been able to program a SONY with its supplied Nakamichi code. If any one knows could you please share that info? Thanks Ram. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Tue Apr 26 15:25:04 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 06:25:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX-150 problem In-Reply-To: <611736423.433564.1303786650773.JavaMail.root@sz0068a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <611736423.433564.1303786650773.JavaMail.root@sz0068a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <608223.18136.qm@web130109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This could be anything, but IME it's a power supply problem. More often than not, the -12V has bit the dust. -- Ron ________________________________ From: "npt at comcast.net" To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Mon, April 25, 2011 10:57:30 PM Subject: [naktalk] BX-150 problem OK, I just popped a tape into my deck, which was working like a champ, and now I hit the Play button, and nothing happens. Same if I hit FF or reverse; it sounds like the command is received and something's TRYING to happen, but nothing does. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Tue Apr 26 15:25:25 2011 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 06:25:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <971003.92738.qm@web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Christian:                      I used to own a B&O 9000 and I ordered the belts from a European Gentleman. There is only one belt. I will go and look at my folder to see whether I still have his email address and you can contact him to use whether he still has belts for sale.                      The transport of the 9000 is very simple and it has only 1 motor. Amazingly the W&F it claims is very low - rival the best of the Naks. I believe I still have the original kit that came with the deck ( azimuth adjust tapes and a bunch of cleaning stuffs: it came with two TDK MA-R and one demo tape which is recorded on the same deck they ship to you in real-time and it is a TDK AD ). If I find the kit I will be glad to send it to you as I don't own the 9000 anymore.                      It has great sound ( subjective ) but it is a very poor design deck and the worksmanship cannot be compared with Nak. When everything works the deck can provide you with hours of musical enjoyment. It has one calibration parameter that NAK's ABLE doesn't has and this might contribute to its own sonic signature. Best Regards, Mike   ________________________________ From: Christian Thomas To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, April 26, 2011 6:55:14 AM Subject: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 I recently aquired a Beo 9000 which they say competes soundwise with Nak decks.  I'd like to find out if this is true (and will happily share tyhe results when I do) but at the moment it has no belts.  (That's how it came, though the seller on eBay swore it was working when it left his hands!).  I was wondering if anyone knows where I might find some? Thanks in advance Christian -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Tue Apr 26 17:41:29 2011 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 07:41:29 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Repair service in Chicago? In-Reply-To: <4DB4B9D9.5070108@metrowebstudios.com> References: <4DB4B9D9.5070108@metrowebstudios.com> Message-ID: Sorry Ron - I don't know of anyone in your area. Willy On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 4:01 PM, daddyo wrote: > Hi, > > I have a Nakamichi CR-1A cassette deck that all of a sudden won't play. > Anyone know of a repair service in the Chicago area? > > > Thanks > > Ron > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Tue Apr 26 17:44:42 2011 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 07:44:42 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000zxl - Distortion In-Reply-To: <1322747316.452746.1303788645985.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <478066290.452446.1303788191017.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <1322747316.452746.1303788645985.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Did you perform the DC offset adjustment specified in step 2 of the calibration instructions? Willy On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 7:30 PM, wrote: > I am following up on an email I sent early this year (See Below). Thanks > to all for your assistance in January. I am reaching out once again, before > deciding to send it out to a qualified technician. > > > > I finally got around to replacing the two Electrolytic caps (C103 & C203) > and all but one pair of the PP caps on the Dolby Playback board. I could > not find a pair of the C104 & C204 PP caps (5600p 100v). No change, the > deck functions just the same. Playback sounds great initially, and after a > few tracks, audio becomes distorted (actually "garbled") :(. > > > > *Interesting Observation:* > > After listening to multiple recordings after an hour or so, I found that > the distortion is not audible while the playback is at -40db to -20db as > shown on the deck's meter. Distortion becomes audible at -12db to -15db. > Very audible at -10db and nearly impossible to comprehend approaching 0db or > more. > > > > Belts & motors seem strong. I deoxidized the Tape/Source switch well. I > wonder if there is another board I should recap before sending it out to a > tech. I have read that all the orange caps should be replaced, but then the > deck will have to be re-calabrted too. I can work with a soldering > iron, but I might be out of my league with calibrating. > > *January 2011* > I acquired the 1000 ZXL this past Summer with an issue. The audio is > wonderful initially, until it warms up, then the distortion begins to set > into the right channel and then the left. Audio becomes "garbled." > Distortion becomes audible in 10-15 minutes from initial startup. Very > quickly, the distortion becomes too annoying. After powering down for 20 > minutes, the deck sounds briefly until the distortion returns. I started to > focus on the caps, but I wonder if it can be a transistor or microprocessor > that fails when too warm. Anyone have a suggestion? > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Tue Apr 26 18:15:41 2011 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 10:15:41 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000zxl - Distortion In-Reply-To: <17078137-E2C8-49AB-A9C5-7B1BC3EBEF43@peromarta.org> References: <478066290.452446.1303788191017.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <1322747316.452746.1303788645985.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <17078137-E2C8-49AB-A9C5-7B1BC3EBEF43@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <009101cc042d$31198fe0$934cafa0$@math.utah.edu> I agree, It does sound like an offset issue. Vic From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Luis Peromarta Regert Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 6:36 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 1000zxl - Distortion Also opamp offset needs to be checked. That would be my first candidate. Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. El 26/04/2011, a las 13:49, Christian Thomas escribió: This sounds to me like something wrong in an amplifier stage. It could be a transistor - or two - that has come to its last moments. What is probably happening is that it is getting hot after a few tracks and then not doing what it should. Odd, though that it would appear to be on both sides. If you have a scope you could trace this from the tape amp onwards. If you don't, but have a service manual and a multimeter, then you could check all the voltages down the signal chain. It does sound like a job for someone reasonably expert so probably should be sent out to one of the techies you can find here. But beforehand, do make sure that the problem is actually with the deck. Ie. change the input it's using, test other sources through the amp and so on until you have eliminated any other possibilities. One other thing you might try is doing some looped recordings since this might narrow down where the fault lies. Hope this helps CT On 26 April 2011 04:30, wrote: I am following up on an email I sent early this year (See Below). Thanks to all for your assistance in January. I am reaching out once again, before deciding to send it out to a qualified technician. I finally got around to replacing the two Electrolytic caps (C103 & C203) and all but one pair of the PP caps on the Dolby Playback board. I could not find a pair of the C104 & C204 PP caps (5600p 100v). No change, the deck functions just the same. Playback sounds great initially, and after a few tracks, audio becomes distorted (actually "garbled") :(. Interesting Observation: After listening to multiple recordings after an hour or so, I found that the distortion is not audible while the playback is at -40db to -20db as shown on the deck's meter. Distortion becomes audible at -12db to -15db. Very audible at -10db and nearly impossible to comprehend approaching 0db or more. Belts & motors seem strong. I deoxidized the Tape/Source switch well. I wonder if there is another board I should recap before sending it out to a tech. I have read that all the orange caps should be replaced, but then the deck will have to be re-calabrted too. I can work with a soldering iron, but I might be out of my league with calibrating. January 2011 I acquired the 1000 ZXL this past Summer with an issue. The audio is wonderful initially, until it warms up, then the distortion begins to set into the right channel and then the left. Audio becomes "garbled." Distortion becomes audible in 10-15 minutes from initial startup. Very quickly, the distortion becomes too annoying. After powering down for 20 minutes, the deck sounds briefly until the distortion returns. I started to focus on the caps, but I wonder if it can be a transistor or microprocessor that fails when too warm. Anyone have a suggestion? ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com Tue Apr 26 20:49:37 2011 From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 20:49:37 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000zxl - Distortion In-Reply-To: <1322747316.452746.1303788645985.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1322747316.452746.1303788645985.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Hi ! I do have the same problem with my first 1000-ZXL. I did replace all PP- cups in the play back amp. with original PP- 100 Volt cups. before that I did check the head by change the channels left to right. Check the whirring and connectors, from the head to the PB- amp. The Deck was after this just better and a longer time without that distortion on the right channel. Next time I do change all CE- cups, the most important must be the so cold LOW NOISE CE cups. This ones have less live time than normal CE- cups. only the LN ones will be replaced with Panasonic gold Audio cups. The IC´s and the FET transistors get power from them. This are the orange colored CE cups in the Naks. One of them is C203 6.3 (LN) If that does not help I will check the two vario Resistors, VR 101 and VR 201, After This I have some Ideas more. Cool Down or heat up gentle small areas from the amp. while the amp. it is in the Deck and working. Heating up can work with a small, long pipe on a hear fan. Cooling down works with a spay from the electronic shop. And we check the power supply for the playback Amp, If this it gets worm up. -12Volt and +12 Volt at CN47 Please let us know how you-re ZXL get rite off this small problem. regards gerhard . If that does not Am 26.04.2011 um 05:30 schrieb brian.janke at comcast.net: > I am following up on an email I sent early this year (See Below). > Thanks to all for your assistance in January. I am reaching out > once again, before deciding to send it out to a qualified technician. > > > I finally got around to replacing the two Electrolytic caps (C103 & > C203) and all but one pair of the PP caps on the Dolby Playback > board. I could not find a pair of the C104 & C204 PP caps (5600p > 100v). No change, the deck functions just the same. Playback > sounds great initially, and after a few tracks, audio becomes > distorted (actually "garbled") :(. > > > Interesting Observation: > > After listening to multiple recordings after an hour or so, I > found that the distortion is not audible while the playback is at > -40db to -20db as shown on the deck's meter. Distortion becomes > audible at -12db to -15db. Very audible at -10db and nearly > impossible to comprehend approaching 0db or more. > > > Belts & motors seem strong. I deoxidized the Tape/Source switch > well. I wonder if there is another board I should recap before > sending it out to a tech. I have read that all the orange caps > should be replaced, but then the deck will have to be re-calabrted > too. I can work with a soldering iron, but I might be out of my > league with calibrating. > > January 2011 > I acquired the 1000 ZXL this past Summer with an issue. The audio > is wonderful initially, until it warms up, then the distortion > begins to set into the right channel and then the left. Audio > becomes "garbled." Distortion becomes audible in 10-15 minutes > from initial startup. Very quickly, the distortion becomes too > annoying. After powering down for 20 minutes, the deck sounds > briefly until the distortion returns. I started to focus on the > caps, but I wonder if it can be a transistor or microprocessor that > fails when too warm. Anyone have a suggestion? > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hhtltd at juno.com Tue Apr 26 16:45:47 2011 From: hhtltd at juno.com (hhtltd at juno.com) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 10:45:47 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 Message-ID: <20110426.104548.880.1.hhtltd@juno.com> Christine: You should give the seller a negative rating and file complaint with EBAY. The Beogram 9000 like most (not all) other tape units WILL NOTG operate with no belts. Misrepresenting the operational integrity of any equipment is considered in many cases as fraudulent sale. In short, it couldn't have worked no matter what he said. Get belts from Vintage electronics or Marr communications. Good Luck! NCM On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:55:14 +0100 Christian Thomas writes: I recently aquired a Beo 9000 which they say competes soundwise with Nak decks. I'd like to find out if this is true (and will happily share tyhe results when I do) but at the moment it has no belts. (That's how it came, though the seller on eBay swore it was working when it left his hands!). I was wondering if anyone knows where I might find some? Thanks in advance Christian ____________________________________________________________ Groupon.com Official Site 1 huge daily deal on the best stuff to do in your city. Try it today! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4db6daea2780567a4m06duc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From RKunst at C-K.com Tue Apr 26 16:55:22 2011 From: RKunst at C-K.com (Ray Kunst) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 09:55:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Repair service in Chicago? In-Reply-To: <4DB4B9D9.5070108@metrowebstudios.com> Message-ID: 20th Century Tv & Stereo (773) 920-1929 1615 W Montrose Ave Chicago On 4/24/11 7:01 PM, "daddyo" wrote: >Hi, > >I have a Nakamichi CR-1A cassette deck that all of a sudden won't play. >Anyone know of a repair service in the Chicago area? > > >Thanks > >Ron From chartz at club-internet.fr Tue Apr 26 17:15:19 2011 From: chartz at club-internet.fr (Jacques Frantz) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 17:15:19 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, Belts for your Beocord can be found chez Martin Olsen, aka Dillen on the Beoworld forums. Just send him a PM and he will send you back his very reasonable costs, and he provides excellent colour illustrations. I can confirm that the BC 9000 is indeed a Nakamichi eater, but it will have to be fully overhauled if to give optimum performance. Typically, you will have to fully re-cap the unit and re-adjust everything, but this will be easy enough if you can understand a service manual. The B&O ones are very explicit. Jacques Le 26 avr. 2011 à 13:55, Christian Thomas a écrit : > I recently aquired a Beo 9000 which they say competes soundwise with Nak decks. I'd like to find out if this is true (and will happily share tyhe results when I do) but at the moment it has no belts. (That's how it came, though the seller on eBay swore it was working when it left his hands!). I was wondering if anyone knows where I might find some? > > Thanks in advance > > Christian > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From zero_duke at yahoo.co.uk Tue Apr 26 17:32:27 2011 From: zero_duke at yahoo.co.uk (Claudio) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:32:27 -0300 Subject: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7A4ED774-4711-4CFF-BCB9-2CCDD6A76C59@yahoo.co.uk> Hi Christian. I do have the B&O Beocord 9000 linked to a Beomaster 6000. It is an incredible machine, very good for classical music, quite natural sound. But it doesn't sound like a Nak and I think it was not intended to as they looked for a special "B&o" sound. Regarding the belts, please ask Fred (marrscommunications). He use to have some made in Japan. Regards, Claudio Sent from the MacBook On 26 Apr 2011, at 08:55, Christian Thomas wrote: > I recently aquired a Beo 9000 which they say competes soundwise with Nak decks. I'd like to find out if this is true (and will happily share tyhe results when I do) but at the moment it has no belts. (That's how it came, though the seller on eBay swore it was working when it left his hands!). I was wondering if anyone knows where I might find some? > > Thanks in advance > > Christian > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From claude-bonnafous at wanadoo.fr Tue Apr 26 20:44:43 2011 From: claude-bonnafous at wanadoo.fr (Claude BONNAFOUS) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 20:44:43 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] BX-150 problem Message-ID: <12C75DF55BDA4D0593A020BB36AD92DA@CLO2842> ""OK, I just popped a tape into my deck, which was working like a champ, and now I hit the Play button, and nothing happens. Same if I hit FF or reverse; it sounds like the command is received and something's TRYING to happen, but nothing does. "" Well, that sounds like the mode motor issue. Very common problem, it can be fixed by replacing, or refurbishing, or just cleaning it (the Deoxit trick !) This has been discussed many times a few months (years ?) ago. A quick, but temporary fix can be performed: remove the cover, the mode motor is on the left of the transport, it has a white plastic "wormgear" that you can -carefully- nudge somehow with your fingers. That might be enough to restore functions, at least for some time...I hope it will help, but other Naktalkers will probably provide better and more complete information. Claude. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Wed Apr 27 00:22:02 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 15:22:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code! In-Reply-To: <776759.97602.qm@web130120.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <932708.22333.qm@web112709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <941471.53931.qm@web130120.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <776759.97602.qm@web130120.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <199326.96644.qm@web130106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks much, -- Ron ________________________________ From: Ron To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, April 26, 2011 9:23:03 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code! That'll be great. It will save me the trouble of re-creating the CR-7 CCF from scratch My RC-5000i dies a horrible death, taking with it all stored data. I just got a TSU7750 (color screen) on ebay and am planning to repeat the chore of 'doing' the remote all over again :-(. -- Ron ________________________________ From: winnie pooh To: naktalk Sent: Mon, April 25, 2011 8:43:38 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code! Hello Ron, I am one of those that you sent the CR-7 Marantz RC-5000i file to. If you want to get a copy to replace your lost one I can attach it for all to share. Thanks. ________________________________ Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 06:48:42 -0700 From: ronami at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code! To: naktalk at naks.com A long time ago I copied all remote codes from my CR-7 into a Marantz RC-5000i (same as Philips Pronto TSU1000). I subsequently sent the file to a couple of members here. Since then, I've lost both the file and the names of these members, but if any of them are reading this, they may be able to help? -- Ron ________________________________ From: shanti ramachandran To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sat, April 23, 2011 3:04:04 PM Subject: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code! Hi, As all of you know, the Cr 7 is operable with its factory supplied infra red remote. I was wondering what was the code for that remote transmitter if I had to program a universal remote to work with it. I have not been able to program a SONY with its supplied Nakamichi code. If any one knows could you please share that info? Thanks Ram. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 27 03:09:17 2011 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 18:09:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <367064.12624.qm@web112709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Or you may contact Fred Marrs for a belt kit for this beocord unit. He sold me a set  and it worked great. However, I fervently disagree that the Beocord 9000 is a Nak Killer. At least not the ZXl, Dragon, Zx7/9,Cr7 etc.....not even close! Its is just cool to look at with good sound from a single capstan deck. Not great sound.Just MHO. Ram. --- On Tue, 4/26/11, Jacques Frantz wrote: From: Jacques Frantz Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 11:15 AM Hi, Belts for your Beocord can be found chez Martin Olsen, aka Dillen on the Beoworld forums. Just send him a PM and he will send you back his very reasonable costs, and he provides excellent colour illustrations. I can confirm that the BC 9000 is indeed a Nakamichi eater, but it will have to be fully overhauled if to give optimum performance. Typically, you will have to fully re-cap the unit and re-adjust everything, but this will be easy enough if you can understand a service manual. The B&O ones are very explicit. Jacques Le 26 avr. 2011 à 13:55, Christian Thomas a écrit : > I recently aquired a Beo 9000 which they say competes soundwise with Nak decks.  I'd like to find out if this is true (and will happily share tyhe results when I do) but at the moment it has no belts.  (That's how it came, though the seller on eBay swore it was working when it left his hands!).  I was wondering if anyone knows where I might find some? >  > Thanks in advance >  > Christian > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 11:41 AM Sorry Ron - I don't know of anyone in your area. Willy On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 4:01 PM, daddyo wrote: Hi, I have a Nakamichi CR-1A cassette deck that all of a sudden won't play. Anyone know of a repair service in the Chicago area? 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URL: From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Wed Apr 27 02:56:28 2011 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 00:56:28 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code! In-Reply-To: <776759.97602.qm@web130120.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <932708.22333.qm@web112709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, , <941471.53931.qm@web130120.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, , <776759.97602.qm@web130120.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: No problems, Ron. Least I can do after all the help you provided last time. I've attached it to this post. Just curious, what happened to the RC-5000i? Are the .ccf files compatible with the newer remotes like TSU7750? Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 06:23:03 -0700 From: ronami at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code! To: naktalk at naks.com That'll be great. It will save me the trouble of re-creating the CR-7 CCF from scratch My RC-5000i dies a horrible death, taking with it all stored data. I just got a TSU7750 (color screen) on ebay and am planning to repeat the chore of 'doing' the remote all over again :-(. -- Ron From: winnie pooh To: naktalk Sent: Mon, April 25, 2011 8:43:38 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code! Hello Ron, I am one of those that you sent the CR-7 Marantz RC-5000i file to. If you want to get a copy to replace your lost one I can attach it for all to share. Thanks. Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 06:48:42 -0700 From: ronami at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code! To: naktalk at naks.com A long time ago I copied all remote codes from my CR-7 into a Marantz RC-5000i (same as Philips Pronto TSU1000). I subsequently sent the file to a couple of members here. Since then, I've lost both the file and the names of these members, but if any of them are reading this, they may be able to help? -- Ron From: shanti ramachandran To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sat, April 23, 2011 3:04:04 PM Subject: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code! Hi, As all of you know, the Cr 7 is operable with its factory supplied infra red remote. I was wondering what was the code for that remote transmitter if I had to program a universal remote to work with it. I have not been able to program a SONY with its supplied Nakamichi code. If any one knows could you please share that info? 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Name: CR7.ccf Type: application/octet-stream Size: 12692 bytes Desc: not available URL: From timpamsepper at cox.net Wed Apr 27 03:43:54 2011 From: timpamsepper at cox.net (Tim and Pam Sepper) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 18:43:54 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Tapes you use to record Message-ID: <000301cc047c$9143feb0$b3cbfc10$@net> I just bought some TDK SM Pro Premium High bias tape from J&R for $4 each. Looks like pretty good specs, I think. Anyone have experience with these? Comparable to TDK SA? Tim Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 19:51:15 -0600 From: Mark Exstedt Subject: FW: [naktalk] Tapes you use to record To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" You can't go wrong with TDK SA or Maxell XLII. They are available on Ebay and some listings have reasonable prices. It's also a good idea to buy used TDK SA and Maxell XLII and then erase them with a bulk eraser before doing your recordings. I also use Denon HD-8, HD-7, and HD-6 cassettes to record my treasured LP collection. I've been recording cassettes since the 70's and my preference hasen't changed much. I use the TDK-SA on acoustic guitar and the Maxell XLII on heavy metal. > From: hockeyeast at yahoo.com > Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 19:50:59 -0400 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Tapes you use to record > > > Maybe this has been covered before, so if it has I apologize. What tapes do you use to record with. Your favorites? Thanks...rich -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 27 03:32:08 2011 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 18:32:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 Message-ID: <851743.95548.qm@web112708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Well, I am attaching a photo of a deck(BX300) I received yesterday from a seller on ebay, who claimed the deck worked fine when he sold it. I could not even bring myself to insert a cassette tape  in this deck's well. Once powered up, the transformer overheated and the deck just went blip....off! The capstans did rotate though until all went quiet.( about three minutes n all) Ebay is refunding the money( its back to the seller already) and the seller will get a nice negative for sure. I hope the seller is not a naktalk member! :) Ram. --- On Tue, 4/26/11, hhtltd at juno.com wrote: From: hhtltd at juno.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 10:45 AM Christine:       You should give the seller a negative rating and file complaint with EBAY. The Beogram 9000 like most (not all) other tape units WILL NOTG operate with no belts. Misrepresenting the operational integrity of any equipment is considered in many cases as fraudulent sale. In short, it couldn't have worked no matter what he said.       Get belts from Vintage electronics or Marr communications.   Good Luck!   NCM   On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:55:14 +0100 Christian Thomas writes: I recently aquired a Beo 9000 which they say competes soundwise with Nak decks.  I'd like to find out if this is true (and will happily share tyhe results when I do) but at the moment it has no belts.  (That's how it came, though the seller on eBay swore it was working when it left his hands!).  I was wondering if anyone knows where I might find some?   Thanks in advance   Christian   ____________________________________________________________ Groupon.com Official Site 1 huge daily deal on the best stuff to do in your city. Try it today! Groupon.com -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: photo(2).JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 1878055 bytes Desc: not available URL: From fred at marrscom.com Wed Apr 27 12:47:05 2011 From: fred at marrscom.com (Fred Marrs) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 05:47:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 4-27-11 SHIP TIME AGREEMENT / GUARANTEE / WRONG IMPRESSION ? Message-ID: <4DB7F429.3010908@marrscom.com> 4-27-11 THANK YOU TO ALL CUSTOMERS FOR YOUR BUSINESS ! The Current Ship Time Average is 6 Business Days. I have tried being Diplomatic explaining my Ship Time Guarantee, but that has Not worked. Here is the Agreement " We " are making, when / if you make a Purchase. If I ship your order withing the Following Time Frames, you are OBLIGATED to leave 5 Stars for SHIP TIME performance ! If you do Not Agree, buy your Belts from Another Seller ! Nakamichi and All "Factory" Belt Kits 0-10 Business Days. ( Monday thru Friday ) This means I have up to, 10 Business days to SHIP your Order ! * See the Description in my Listings for further explanations. * ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- " Other " Brands and Items. 0-20 Business Days. ( Monday thru Friday ) This means I have up to, 20 Business days to SHIP your Order ! * See the Description in my Listings for further explanations. * REMEMBER, If I do Ship within the time frames above, you are OBLIGATED to leave 5 Stars for SHIP TIME performance ! If you do Not Agree, buy your Belts from Another Seller ! If you want the Absolute Highest Quality belts available, Marrs has them. The Only Store on eBay selling Belts, MADE IN JAPAN ! Thank You Again ! Fred M. orders at marrscommunications.com From fred at marrscom.com Wed Apr 27 13:05:43 2011 From: fred at marrscom.com (Fred Marrs) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 06:05:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 4-27-11 Beocord 9000 Belts In Stock Message-ID: <4DB7F887.3020405@marrscom.com> Hello, The 2 Belts for the 9000 are in stock. $19.95 Shipping Included Worldwide Fred M. From mark8559 at hotmail.com Wed Apr 27 15:47:12 2011 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 07:47:12 -0600 Subject: FW: [naktalk] Tapes you use to record In-Reply-To: <000301cc047c$9143feb0$b3cbfc10$@net> References: <000301cc047c$9143feb0$b3cbfc10$@net> Message-ID: Brand new TDK high bias cassettes are still available, and at reasonable cost: http://www.jr.com/product/productListing.jsp?Ntt=tdk+cassette From: timpamsepper at cox.net To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 18:43:54 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Tapes you use to record I just bought some TDK SM Pro Premium High bias tape from J&R for $4 each. Looks like pretty good specs, I think. Anyone have experience with these? Comparable to TDK SA? Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Wed Apr 27 16:34:26 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 07:34:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code! In-Reply-To: References: <932708.22333.qm@web112709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, , <941471.53931.qm@web130120.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, , <776759.97602.qm@web130120.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <647405.79467.qm@web130109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The RC-5000i simply died. It was working one day and the next time I tried to use it, it was dead. Battery was still charged, but there was no response. I'll either bury it, or offer it for parts on the ePlace. The TSU7500 is an NG (New Generation) remote, based on pcf (rather than ccf) files. I understand the Philips S/W can take ccf files and generate pcf equivalents. The TSU7500 also adds another complication, due to the color screen. I now have to re-program all my components on the TSU7500 -- a job I am not looking forward to. I plan to do it any month now :-). Meanwhile, I (again) have a plethora of remotes cluttering up my coffee table :-(. Thanks again for the file, -- Ron ________________________________ From: winnie pooh To: naktalk Sent: Tue, April 26, 2011 8:56:28 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code! No problems, Ron. Least I can do after all the help you provided last time. I've attached it to this post. Just curious, what happened to the RC-5000i? Are the .ccf files compatible with the newer remotes like TSU7750? ________________________________ Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 06:23:03 -0700 From: ronami at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code! To: naktalk at naks.com That'll be great. It will save me the trouble of re-creating the CR-7 CCF from scratch My RC-5000i dies a horrible death, taking with it all stored data. I just got a TSU7750 (color screen) on ebay and am planning to repeat the chore of 'doing' the remote all over again :-(. -- Ron ________________________________ From: winnie pooh To: naktalk Sent: Mon, April 25, 2011 8:43:38 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code! Hello Ron, I am one of those that you sent the CR-7 Marantz RC-5000i file to. If you want to get a copy to replace your lost one I can attach it for all to share. Thanks. ________________________________ Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 06:48:42 -0700 From: ronami at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code! To: naktalk at naks.com A long time ago I copied all remote codes from my CR-7 into a Marantz RC-5000i (same as Philips Pronto TSU1000). I subsequently sent the file to a couple of members here. Since then, I've lost both the file and the names of these members, but if any of them are reading this, they may be able to help? -- Ron ________________________________ From: shanti ramachandran To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sat, April 23, 2011 3:04:04 PM Subject: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code! Hi, As all of you know, the Cr 7 is operable with its factory supplied infra red remote. I was wondering what was the code for that remote transmitter if I had to program a universal remote to work with it. I have not been able to program a SONY with its supplied Nakamichi code. If any one knows could you please share that info? 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URL: From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Wed Apr 27 18:06:32 2011 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 10:06:32 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 In-Reply-To: <851743.95548.qm@web112708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <851743.95548.qm@web112708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002901cc04f5$14375150$3ca5f3f0$@math.utah.edu> Ram, the photo looks like "new in the box" Vic From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 7:32 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 Well, I am attaching a photo of a deck(BX300) I received yesterday from a seller on ebay, who claimed the deck worked fine when he sold it. I could not even bring myself to insert a cassette tape in this deck's well. Once powered up, the transformer overheated and the deck just went blip....off! The capstans did rotate though until all went quiet.( about three minutes n all) Ebay is refunding the money( its back to the seller already) and the seller will get a nice negative for sure. I hope the seller is not a naktalk member! :) Ram. --- On Tue, 4/26/11, hhtltd at juno.com wrote: From: hhtltd at juno.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 10:45 AM Christine: You should give the seller a negative rating and file complaint with EBAY. The Beogram 9000 like most (not all) other tape units WILL NOTG operate with no belts. Misrepresenting the operational integrity of any equipment is considered in many cases as fraudulent sale. In short, it couldn't have worked no matter what he said. Get belts from Vintage electronics or Marr communications. Good Luck! NCM On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:55:14 +0100 Christian Thomas writes: I recently aquired a Beo 9000 which they say competes soundwise with Nak decks. I'd like to find out if this is true (and will happily share tyhe results when I do) but at the moment it has no belts. (That's how it came, though the seller on eBay swore it was working when it left his hands!). I was wondering if anyone knows where I might find some? Thanks in advance Christian ____________________________________________________________ Groupon.com Official Site 1 huge daily deal on the best stuff to do in your city. Try it today! Groupon.com -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hhtltd at juno.com Wed Apr 27 19:15:19 2011 From: hhtltd at juno.com (hhtltd at juno.com) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 13:15:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 Message-ID: <20110427.131520.3376.7.hhtltd@juno.com> Ram- Sounds and smells like incorrect voltage setting. NCM On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 10:06:32 -0600 "Victor Gabrenas" writes: Ram, the photo looks like �new in the box� Vic From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 7:32 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 Well, I am attaching a photo of a deck(BX300) I received yesterday from a seller on ebay, who claimed the deck worked fine when he sold it. I could not even bring myself to insert a cassette tape in this deck's well. Once powered up, the transformer overheated and the deck just went blip....off! The capstans did rotate though until all went quiet.( about three minutes n all) Ebay is refunding the money( its back to the seller already) and the seller will get a nice negative for sure. I hope the seller is not a naktalk member! :) Ram. --- On Tue, 4/26/11, hhtltd at juno.com wrote: From: hhtltd at juno.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 10:45 AM Christine: You should give the seller a negative rating and file complaint with EBAY. The Beogram 9000 like most (not all) other tape units WILL NOTG operate with no belts. Misrepresenting the operational integrity of any equipment is considered in many cases as fraudulent sale. In short, it couldn't have worked no matter what he said. Get belts from Vintage electronics or Marr communications. Good Luck! NCM On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:55:14 +0100 Christian Thomas writes: I recently aquired a Beo 9000 which they say competes soundwise with Nak decks. I'd like to find out if this is true (and will happily share tyhe results when I do) but at the moment it has no belts. (That's how it came, though the seller on eBay swore it was working when it left his hands!). I was wondering if anyone knows where I might find some? Thanks in advance Christian ____________________________________________________________ Groupon.com Official Site 1 huge daily deal on the best stuff to do in your city. Try it today! Groupon.com -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------======== = Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------======== = Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ____________________________________________________________ Groupon.com Official Site 1 huge daily deal on the best stuff to do in your city. Try it today! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4db84f5bea5b87f78m06duc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 27 21:04:11 2011 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (Ram) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 15:04:11 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 In-Reply-To: <20110427.131520.3376.7.hhtltd@juno.com> References: <20110427.131520.3376.7.hhtltd@juno.com> Message-ID: Said to be a 110 volt deck on the back. Ram On Apr 27, 2011, at 1:15 PM, hhtltd at juno.com wrote: > Ram- > > Sounds and smells like incorrect voltage setting. > > NCM > > On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 10:06:32 -0600 "Victor Gabrenas" writes: > Ram, the photo looks like “new in the box” > > > > Vic > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran > Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 7:32 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 > > > > > Well, > > > > I am attaching a photo of a deck(BX300) I received yesterday from a seller on ebay, who claimed the deck worked fine when he sold it. I could not even bring myself to insert a cassette tape in this deck's well. > > > > Once powered up, the transformer overheated and the deck just went blip....off! The capstans did rotate though until all went quiet.( about three minutes n all) > > > > Ebay is refunding the money( its back to the seller already) and the seller will get a nice negative for sure. > > > > I hope the seller is not a naktalk member! :) > > > > Ram. > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 4/26/11, hhtltd at juno.com wrote: > > > From: hhtltd at juno.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 10:45 AM > > Christine: > > > > You should give the seller a negative rating and file complaint with EBAY. The Beogram 9000 like most (not all) other > > tape units WILL NOTG operate with no belts. Misrepresenting the operational integrity of any equipment is considered > > in many cases as fraudulent sale. In short, it couldn't have worked no matter what he said. > > > > Get belts from Vintage electronics or Marr communications. > > > > Good Luck! > > > > NCM > > > > On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:55:14 +0100 Christian Thomas writes: > > I recently aquired a Beo 9000 which they say competes soundwise with Nak decks. I'd like to find out if this is true (and will happily share tyhe results when I do) but at the moment it has no belts. (That's how it came, though the seller on eBay swore it was working when it left his hands!). I was wondering if anyone knows where I might find some? > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > Christian > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Groupon.com Official Site > 1 huge daily deal on the best stuff to do in your city. 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URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 27 21:34:41 2011 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 12:34:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 In-Reply-To: <851743.95548.qm@web112708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <851743.95548.qm@web112708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <226622.83484.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If the seller is a Naktalk member he should be banned!  That head assembly looks disgusting! ________________________________ From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, April 26, 2011 6:32:08 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 Well, I am attaching a photo of a deck(BX300) I received yesterday from a seller on ebay, who claimed the deck worked fine when he sold it. I could not even bring myself to insert a cassette tape  in this deck's well. Once powered up, the transformer overheated and the deck just went blip....off! The capstans did rotate though until all went quiet.( about three minutes n all) Ebay is refunding the money( its back to the seller already) and the seller will get a nice negative for sure. I hope the seller is not a naktalk member! :) Ram. --- On Tue, 4/26/11, hhtltd at juno.com wrote: >From: hhtltd at juno.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 10:45 AM > > >Christine: > >    You should give the seller a negative rating and file complaint with EBAY. >The Beogram 9000 like most (not all) other >tape units WILL NOTG operate with no belts. Misrepresenting the operational >integrity of any equipment is considered >in many cases as fraudulent sale. In short, it couldn't have worked no matter >what he said. > > >    Get belts from Vintage electronics or Marr communications. > >Good Luck! > >NCM > >On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:55:14 +0100 Christian Thomas >writes: >I recently aquired a Beo 9000 which they say competes soundwise with Nak decks.  >I'd like to find out if this is true (and will happily share tyhe results when I >do) but at the moment it has no belts.  (That's how it came, though the seller >on eBay swore it was working when it left his hands!).  I was wondering if >anyone knows where I might find some? >> >>Thanks in advance >> >>Christian >> ____________________________________________________________ Groupon.com Official Site 1 huge daily deal on the best stuff to do in your city. Try it today! Groupon.com >-----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Wed Apr 27 22:10:02 2011 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 14:10:02 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 In-Reply-To: <226622.83484.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <851743.95548.qm@web112708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <226622.83484.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000901cc0517$17bd4b50$4737e1f0$@math.utah.edu> Maybe there should be a section or web page for the "hall of shame" ebay sellers? It could force some sellers to be honest. Vic From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Scott Johnson Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 1:35 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 If the seller is a Naktalk member he should be banned! That head assembly looks disgusting! _____ From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, April 26, 2011 6:32:08 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 Well, I am attaching a photo of a deck(BX300) I received yesterday from a seller on ebay, who claimed the deck worked fine when he sold it. I could not even bring myself to insert a cassette tape in this deck's well. Once powered up, the transformer overheated and the deck just went blip....off! The capstans did rotate though until all went quiet.( about three minutes n all) Ebay is refunding the money( its back to the seller already) and the seller will get a nice negative for sure. I hope the seller is not a naktalk member! :) Ram. --- On Tue, 4/26/11, hhtltd at juno.com wrote: From: hhtltd at juno.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 10:45 AM Christine: You should give the seller a negative rating and file complaint with EBAY. The Beogram 9000 like most (not all) other tape units WILL NOTG operate with no belts. Misrepresenting the operational integrity of any equipment is considered in many cases as fraudulent sale. In short, it couldn't have worked no matter what he said. Get belts from Vintage electronics or Marr communications. Good Luck! NCM On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:55:14 +0100 Christian Thomas writes: I recently aquired a Beo 9000 which they say competes soundwise with Nak decks. I'd like to find out if this is true (and will happily share tyhe results when I do) but at the moment it has no belts. (That's how it came, though the seller on eBay swore it was working when it left his hands!). 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In-Reply-To: <647405.79467.qm@web130109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <932708.22333.qm@web112709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, , <941471.53931.qm@web130120.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, , <776759.97602.qm@web130120.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <647405.79467.qm@web130109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004101cc051d$2d0f0010$872d0030$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Hi Ron, I use the TSU 7000 pronto and that remote has a small reset button near the battery. It helps me several times when the battery get older. It sometimes stops complete. After a reset the remote is still alive. Maybe the RC-5000i has some reset button? Every time i use the reset button i have to think about the slogan from Philips here in the Netherlands: "Let's make things better". I wonder when.. Regards Norman Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens Ron Verzonden: woensdag 27 april 2011 16:34 Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Onderwerp: Re: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code! The RC-5000i simply died. It was working one day and the next time I tried to use it, it was dead. Battery was still charged, but there was no response. I'll either bury it, or offer it for parts on the ePlace. The TSU7500 is an NG (New Generation) remote, based on pcf (rather than ccf) files. I understand the Philips S/W can take ccf files and generate pcf equivalents. The TSU7500 also adds another complication, due to the color screen. I now have to re-program all my components on the TSU7500 -- a job I am not looking forward to. I plan to do it any month now :-). Meanwhile, I (again) have a plethora of remotes cluttering up my coffee table :-(. Thanks again for the file, -- Ron _____ From: winnie pooh To: naktalk Sent: Tue, April 26, 2011 8:56:28 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code! No problems, Ron. Least I can do after all the help you provided last time. I've attached it to this post. Just curious, what happened to the RC-5000i? Are the .ccf files compatible with the newer remotes like TSU7750? _____ Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 06:23:03 -0700 From: ronami at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code! To: naktalk at naks.com That'll be great. It will save me the trouble of re-creating the CR-7 CCF from scratch My RC-5000i dies a horrible death, taking with it all stored data. I just got a TSU7750 (color screen) on ebay and am planning to repeat the chore of 'doing' the remote all over again :-(. -- Ron _____ From: winnie pooh To: naktalk Sent: Mon, April 25, 2011 8:43:38 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code! Hello Ron, I am one of those that you sent the CR-7 Marantz RC-5000i file to. If you want to get a copy to replace your lost one I can attach it for all to share. Thanks. _____ Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 06:48:42 -0700 From: ronami at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code! To: naktalk at naks.com A long time ago I copied all remote codes from my CR-7 into a Marantz RC-5000i (same as Philips Pronto TSU1000). I subsequently sent the file to a couple of members here. Since then, I've lost both the file and the names of these members, but if any of them are reading this, they may be able to help? -- Ron _____ From: shanti ramachandran To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sat, April 23, 2011 3:04:04 PM Subject: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code! Hi, As all of you know, the Cr 7 is operable with its factory supplied infra red remote. I was wondering what was the code for that remote transmitter if I had to program a universal remote to work with it. I have not been able to program a SONY with its supplied Nakamichi code. If any one knows could you please share that info? 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URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Apr 28 08:41:24 2011 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 08:41:24 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Donation: BX-100 In-Reply-To: <8f630486ebb0c72d525fdcecd9eb6679.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> References: <8f630486ebb0c72d525fdcecd9eb6679.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <4b2f275d1ad2d4ec24490f89ada94305.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> The onwer asked again if anyone is interested, otherwise he will 'trash it'.. Wouter > > We have a BX-100 donation in Pasadena TX 77505. > The owner let a message: > > "I have a silver BX-100 in perfect condition. I replaced the pinch > rollers about a year ago to sell it but never got around to doing that. I > just want it to end up with someone who will appreciate it. I have the > original box and manual also. Box is not in good condition" > > If you are interested let me know off-list. > > Wouter > > From dgb100 at psu.edu Wed Apr 27 22:40:02 2011 From: dgb100 at psu.edu (Beckner, Derrick) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 16:40:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 In-Reply-To: <000901cc0517$17bd4b50$4737e1f0$@math.utah.edu> References: <851743.95548.qm@web112708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <226622.83484.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000901cc0517$17bd4b50$4737e1f0$@math.utah.edu> Message-ID: I never got a deck from EBay that was fully operational. They ranged from minor problems like worn belts to completely fried outputs. But all as good as "new", I assure you. The biggest disappointment was a Dragon that didn't reverse and didn't record in one channel and had noise issues. Luckily the owner paid for the repairs, which were not cheap. I have a feeling he popped a tape in, hit play, let it run for 30 seconds and declared it "good as new". Also got a top of the line Onkyo (can't remember the model) that was totally and irreversible hosed in so many ways I can't even remember them all. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Victor Gabrenas Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 4:10 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 Maybe there should be a section or web page for the "hall of shame" ebay sellers? It could force some sellers to be honest. Vic From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Scott Johnson Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 1:35 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 If the seller is a Naktalk member he should be banned! That head assembly looks disgusting! ________________________________ From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, April 26, 2011 6:32:08 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 Well, I am attaching a photo of a deck(BX300) I received yesterday from a seller on ebay, who claimed the deck worked fine when he sold it. I could not even bring myself to insert a cassette tape in this deck's well. Once powered up, the transformer overheated and the deck just went blip....off! The capstans did rotate though until all went quiet.( about three minutes n all) Ebay is refunding the money( its back to the seller already) and the seller will get a nice negative for sure. I hope the seller is not a naktalk member! :) Ram. --- On Tue, 4/26/11, hhtltd at juno.com > wrote: From: hhtltd at juno.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 10:45 AM Christine: You should give the seller a negative rating and file complaint with EBAY. The Beogram 9000 like most (not all) other tape units WILL NOTG operate with no belts. Misrepresenting the operational integrity of any equipment is considered in many cases as fraudulent sale. In short, it couldn't have worked no matter what he said. Get belts from Vintage electronics or Marr communications. Good Luck! NCM On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:55:14 +0100 Christian Thomas > writes: I recently aquired a Beo 9000 which they say competes soundwise with Nak decks. I'd like to find out if this is true (and will happily share tyhe results when I do) but at the moment it has no belts. (That's how it came, though the seller on eBay swore it was working when it left his hands!). 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URL: From ct.waveform at googlemail.com Wed Apr 27 23:18:51 2011 From: ct.waveform at googlemail.com (Christian Thomas) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 22:18:51 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 In-Reply-To: <851743.95548.qm@web112708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <851743.95548.qm@web112708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks to you all for your help. I was hoping that Marrs or someone similar could help. As to the the eBay "fraud" the seller and I agreed that he could have it picked up and refund me all the costs, or leave it with me and save himself another £20 in shipping it back home. That left him £40 better off so I got the deck for £20. It is a thing of beauty. As to whether it is a Nak beater I will let you all know. I have been told quite authoritatively that it comes close to a CR-7 (which in their eyes is a better deck than a Dragon). But I miss the BX-300 that I had on its way to my cousin and will be sure to know if I find those magical qualities again. I have had a few go through my hands and nothing has come close to the Nak. A Yamaha something SE which I still have was a particular disappointment since it had been written up so well as a near Nak. Not a chance. I don't know that I can give the Beo 9000 the full attention it deserves in trying to get it to sound at its best. I guess that will depend on first impressions. Inside it looks like it was trying very hard to get a sound, largely from the Naim Audio book of polystyrene caps and BC547s and quite simple but thorough power supplies. I know the technology behind it and the hard work that B&O did, but I still doubt that will make up for the general living and breathing casette decks that marks out Nakamichi. I showed it to Paul Stephenson of Naim a couple of weeks ago, telling him that it was supposed to be up there with Naks. His reply was very much "... but of course it isn't." I'd like to prove him wrong. The classical music thing that is mentioned above is very telling. I design hi fi for a living and this is what drew me to the BX-300. Most modern hi fi can't do it and turntables really fail badly in giving anything that is as balanced as an orchestra. When I had the BX-300 I was just wishing that I had bothered with cassettes as a reference source back in the '80s. It is dispassionate, powerful and unlimited by crescendos and build ups to climaxes. It also manages those climaxes so much better. There is no sense of strain as with a record, or for different reasons, with a CD. I can't bear how records are so dependent on low peak levels to keep themselves going at the same speed and, even if you can do this gracefully, as with the LP12, that still isn't good enough. Tape just doesn't have this problem and its so refreshing. Also, being able to listen to it on contemporary kit really shows that we missed something and most of the failings weren't actually with the tape, or could be easily overcome. (For those of you that are clapping at the back, my views are not widely held, even in my own circles.) But I will happily give you a full appraisal of how good the Beo is, as I see it. I have to say I slightly dread it since I fear it won't make the mark. Having said that, the ratsnest that is the inside of a BX-300 (reference a comment above) wouldn't have led me to believe it was going to beat some other sources. Mind you, for ratsnests, the Walkman Pro takes some beating by a mile (I would just be ashamed if my work looked like that) and it was a fave with audiophiles at the time. Better than a Dragon, they said. (I really very, very, much doubt it, though I have never yet heard a Dragon). To someone who was worried whether I could recap it (and incidentally I have some grave warnings here as I suspect that some of the capacitors that Nak used in the signal line which seemed a bit odd are almost certainly pertinent to the Nak sound, and they may well have been ahead of their time), it is within my ability, though finding some of the forms of capacitors might be quite hard. Where I do have doubts is with the CMOS and I'm sincerely hoping that the missing bars on the display are just loose connections. Fortunately most of my textbooks date from around this time - as do I - so I might just be able to work out how they made it work. Thank you all, by the way, for your tolerance of a potential non-believer. All the best Christian On 27 April 2011 02:32, shanti ramachandran wrote: > > Well, > > I am attaching a photo of a deck(BX300) I received yesterday from a seller > on ebay, who claimed the deck worked fine when he sold it. I could not even > bring myself to insert a cassette tape in this deck's well. > > Once powered up, the transformer overheated and the deck just went > blip....off! The capstans did rotate though until all went quiet.( about > three minutes n all) > > Ebay is refunding the money( its back to the seller already) and the > seller will get a nice negative for sure. > > I hope the seller is not a naktalk member! :) > > Ram. > > > > > --- On *Tue, 4/26/11, hhtltd at juno.com * wrote: > > > From: hhtltd at juno.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 10:45 AM > > Christine: > > You should give the seller a negative rating and file complaint with > EBAY. The Beogram 9000 like most (not all) other > tape units WILL NOTG operate with no belts. Misrepresenting the operational > integrity of any equipment is considered > in many cases as fraudulent sale. In short, it couldn't have worked no > matter what he said. > > Get belts from Vintage electronics or Marr communications. > > Good Luck! > > NCM > > On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:55:14 +0100 Christian Thomas < > ct.waveform at googlemail.com> writes: > > I recently aquired a Beo 9000 which they say competes soundwise with Nak > decks. I'd like to find out if this is true (and will happily share tyhe > results when I do) but at the moment it has no belts. (That's how it came, > though the seller on eBay swore it was working when it left his hands!). I > was wondering if anyone knows where I might find some? > > Thanks in advance > > Christian > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > *Groupon.com Official Site* > 1 huge daily deal on the best stuff to do in your city. 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URL: From ct.waveform at googlemail.com Wed Apr 27 23:24:10 2011 From: ct.waveform at googlemail.com (Christian Thomas) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 22:24:10 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 In-Reply-To: <000901cc0517$17bd4b50$4737e1f0$@math.utah.edu> References: <851743.95548.qm@web112708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <226622.83484.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000901cc0517$17bd4b50$4737e1f0$@math.utah.edu> Message-ID: Vic I don't think this seller was in any way specialist. I could have had a lot more trouble and it has fortunately fallen into hands that can deal with the problem and so bring a good deck back to life. I think the eBay feedback system works amazingly well. So many people are more concerned about their rating than their everyday life. Complete rogues are determined to hang on to a 100% rating where they wouldn't think twice about shafting you in a bar. Best CT On 27 April 2011 21:10, Victor Gabrenas wrote: > Maybe there should be a section or web page for the “hall of shame” ebay > sellers? It could force some sellers to be honest. > > > > Vic > > > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *Scott Johnson > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 27, 2011 1:35 PM > > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 > > > > If the seller is a Naktalk member he should be banned! That head assembly > looks disgusting! > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* shanti ramachandran > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Tue, April 26, 2011 6:32:08 PM > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 > > > Well, > > > > I am attaching a photo of a deck(BX300) I received yesterday from a seller > on ebay, who claimed the deck worked fine when he sold it. I could not even > bring myself to insert a cassette tape in this deck's well. > > > > Once powered up, the transformer overheated and the deck just went > blip....off! The capstans did rotate though until all went quiet.( about > three minutes n all) > > > > Ebay is refunding the money( its back to the seller already) and the > seller will get a nice negative for sure. > > > > I hope the seller is not a naktalk member! :) > > > > Ram. > > > > > > > > --- On *Tue, 4/26/11, hhtltd at juno.com * wrote: > > > From: hhtltd at juno.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 10:45 AM > > Christine: > > > > You should give the seller a negative rating and file complaint with > EBAY. The Beogram 9000 like most (not all) other > > tape units WILL NOTG operate with no belts. Misrepresenting the operational > integrity of any equipment is considered > > in many cases as fraudulent sale. In short, it couldn't have worked no > matter what he said. > > > > Get belts from Vintage electronics or Marr communications. > > > > Good Luck! > > > > NCM > > > > On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:55:14 +0100 Christian Thomas < > ct.waveform at googlemail.com> writes: > > I recently aquired a Beo 9000 which they say competes soundwise with Nak > decks. I'd like to find out if this is true (and will happily share tyhe > results when I do) but at the moment it has no belts. (That's how it came, > though the seller on eBay swore it was working when it left his hands!). I > was wondering if anyone knows where I might find some? > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > Christian > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > *Groupon.com Official Site* > 1 huge daily deal on the best stuff to do in your city. 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URL: From ct.waveform at googlemail.com Wed Apr 27 23:39:07 2011 From: ct.waveform at googlemail.com (Christian Thomas) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 22:39:07 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000zxl - Distortion In-Reply-To: <17078137-E2C8-49AB-A9C5-7B1BC3EBEF43@peromarta.org> References: <478066290.452446.1303788191017.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <1322747316.452746.1303788645985.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <17078137-E2C8-49AB-A9C5-7B1BC3EBEF43@peromarta.org> Message-ID: Luis and Willy I am astonished that you both think that DC offset could be the issue - and I am quite happy to believe it and can see how it might happen. You are almost certainly right, and I'm always in favour of not ripping out components, but could you please explain to me why? Were the overheads so low or was it a design issue that was overlooked? (In which case I am probably overlooking it today.) Best wishes CT On 26 April 2011 13:35, Luis Peromarta Regert wrote: > Also opamp offset needs to be checked. That would be my first candidate. > > > Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. > > El 26/04/2011, a las 13:49, Christian Thomas > escribió: > > This sounds to me like something wrong in an amplifier stage. It could be > a transistor - or two - that has come to its last moments. What is probably > happening is that it is getting hot after a few tracks and then not doing > what it should. Odd, though that it would appear to be on both sides. > > If you have a scope you could trace this from the tape amp onwards. If you > don't, but have a service manual and a multimeter, then you could check all > the voltages down the signal chain. It does sound like a job for someone > reasonably expert so probably should be sent out to one of the techies you > can find here. But beforehand, do make sure that the problem is actually > with the deck. Ie. change the input it's using, test other sources through > the amp and so on until you have eliminated any other possibilities. One > other thing you might try is doing some looped recordings since this might > narrow down where the fault lies. > > Hope this helps > > CT > > On 26 April 2011 04:30, < brian.janke at comcast.net > > wrote: > >> I am following up on an email I sent early this year (See Below). >> Thanks to all for your assistance in January. I am reaching out once again, >> before deciding to send it out to a qualified technician. >> >> >> >> I finally got around to replacing the two Electrolytic caps (C103 & C203) >> and all but one pair of the PP caps on the Dolby Playback board. I could >> not find a pair of the C104 & C204 PP caps (5600p 100v). No change, the >> deck functions just the same. Playback sounds great initially, and after a >> few tracks, audio becomes distorted (actually "garbled") :(. >> >> >> >> *Interesting Observation:* >> >> After listening to multiple recordings after an hour or so, I found that >> the distortion is not audible while the playback is at -40db to -20db as >> shown on the deck's meter. Distortion becomes audible at -12db to -15db. >> Very audible at -10db and nearly impossible to comprehend approaching 0db or >> more. >> >> >> >> Belts & motors seem strong. I deoxidized the Tape/Source switch well. I >> wonder if there is another board I should recap before sending it out to a >> tech. I have read that all the orange caps should be replaced, but then the >> deck will have to be re-calabrted too. I can work with a soldering >> iron, but I might be out of my league with calibrating. >> >> *January 2011* >> I acquired the 1000 ZXL this past Summer with an issue. The audio is >> wonderful initially, until it warms up, then the distortion begins to set >> into the right channel and then the left. Audio becomes "garbled." >> Distortion becomes audible in 10-15 minutes from initial startup. Very >> quickly, the distortion becomes too annoying. After powering down for 20 >> minutes, the deck sounds briefly until the distortion returns. I started to >> focus on the caps, but I wonder if it can be a transistor or microprocessor >> that fails when too warm. 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URL: From ct.waveform at googlemail.com Wed Apr 27 23:41:20 2011 From: ct.waveform at googlemail.com (Christian Thomas) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 22:41:20 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 4-27-11 Beocord 9000 Belts In Stock In-Reply-To: <4DB7F887.3020405@marrscom.com> References: <4DB7F887.3020405@marrscom.com> Message-ID: Thanks Fred, I may well come back to you on that. Christian On 27 April 2011 12:05, Fred Marrs wrote: > Hello, > > The 2 Belts for the 9000 are in stock. > > $19.95 Shipping Included Worldwide > > Fred M. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobschneider8 at comcast.net Thu Apr 28 02:27:27 2011 From: bobschneider8 at comcast.net (Robert Schneider) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 19:27:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code! In-Reply-To: <004101cc051d$2d0f0010$872d0030$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> References: <932708.22333.qm@web112709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, , <941471.53931.qm@web130120.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, , <776759.97602.qm@web130120.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <647405.79467.qm@web130109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <004101cc051d$2d0f0010$872d0030$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Message-ID: <4DB8B46F.2040701@comcast.net> I have a Logitech Harmony universal remote which works fine with my CR-7A, including adjusting the azimuth. The nice thing about the Harmony series is that you don't need access to an original remote, or to track down codes. Rather, the included software goes to Logitech's database and downloads the codes from there, and then you download them from your computer to the remote via a USB cable. They claim to have 225,000 devices in their database, and you can check on their website whether your gear is included before buying one. On 4/27/11 3:53 PM, Norman van Wijnen wrote: > > Hi Ron, > > I use the TSU 7000 pronto and that remote has a small reset button > near the battery. > > It helps me several times when the battery get older. It sometimes > stops complete. After a reset the remote is still alive. Maybe the > RC-5000i has some reset button? > > Every time i use the reset button i have to think about the slogan > from Philips here in the Netherlands: “Let’s make things better”. I > wonder when…. > > Regards Norman > > From ziomaury at teletu.it Thu Apr 28 08:29:06 2011 From: ziomaury at teletu.it (Ziomaury) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 08:29:06 +0200 Subject: R: R: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor In-Reply-To: References: <266156.89238.qm@web130107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <443323.39599.qm@web130104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000f01cc056d$932a5160$b97ef420$@teletu.it> Hallo Ron. I’ve found a technical lab that repair hi-fi equipments. They’re able to remove the reel motor and replace the arm but, if it’s not too much trouble for you, the best is that you send me the instruction about this. I’m sorry to bother you. Thanks and regards, Maurizio Da: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Per conto di ziomaury Inviato: lunedì 25 aprile 2011 13:25 A: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Oggetto: R: R: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor OK, I’ve understand. I must find a professional. Do you have notice about this, in Italy or Europe? Thanks and regards, Maurizio Da: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Per conto di Ron Inviato: giovedì 21 aprile 2011 16:38 A: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Oggetto: Re: R: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor > ... another way to replace the arm of idler tire without remove the reel motor? Not that I know of. There isn't enough room to work on the motor when it's installed in the deck. BTW, your English is fine. -- Ron _____ From: Ziomaury To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thu, April 21, 2011 3:40:04 AM Subject: R: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor Hallo Ron, Thanks for your explanation. I’m agree with you about that remove the reel motor is very difficult. There’s another way to replace the arm of idler tire without remove the reel motor? Thanks and regards, Maurizio P.S. Sorry for my English (very basic!) Da: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Per conto di Ron Inviato: mercoledì 20 aprile 2011 22:25 A: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Oggetto: Re: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor Maurizio, Removing the reel motor is a comparatively big job. Some people prefer to remove the transport form the deck. Personally, I prefer to do it in the deck. In any case, it's an elaborate job. If you've never done it, it's not a good idea to learn on your own CR07 :-). I highly recommend you have it done by a professional. If you insist on doing it yourself anyway, please let me now and I'll post instructions. Good luck, -- Ron From: Ziomaury < ziomaury at teletu.it> To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wed, April 20, 2011 10:24:18 AM Subject: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor Hallo. I’ve tried to replace the idle tire on a CR7-E but unfortunately I’ve break the plastic idle arm. To replace the arm I think that the best is remove the complete reel motor. I don’t understand how I must do it. Can somebody help me about this? Many thanks. Maurizio -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Thu Apr 28 12:53:31 2011 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 12:53:31 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000zxl - Distortion In-Reply-To: References: <478066290.452446.1303788191017.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <1322747316.452746.1303788645985.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <17078137-E2C8-49AB-A9C5-7B1BC3EBEF43@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <2AD1F818-4C91-4D2E-9CD4-5804D5521E63@peromarta.org> Its an standard calibrating procedure. Sent from iPad. Pls excuse typos. El 27/04/2011, a las 23:39, Christian Thomas escribió: > Luis and Willy > > I am astonished that you both think that DC offset could be the issue - and I am quite happy to believe it and can see how it might happen. You are almost certainly right, and I'm always in favour of not ripping out components, but could you please explain to me why? Were the overheads so low or was it a design issue that was overlooked? (In which case I am probably overlooking it today.) > > Best wishes > > CT > > On 26 April 2011 13:35, Luis Peromarta Regert wrote: > Also opamp offset needs to be checked. That would be my first candidate. > > > Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. > > El 26/04/2011, a las 13:49, Christian Thomas escribió: > >> This sounds to me like something wrong in an amplifier stage. It could be a transistor - or two - that has come to its last moments. What is probably happening is that it is getting hot after a few tracks and then not doing what it should. Odd, though that it would appear to be on both sides. >> >> If you have a scope you could trace this from the tape amp onwards. If you don't, but have a service manual and a multimeter, then you could check all the voltages down the signal chain. It does sound like a job for someone reasonably expert so probably should be sent out to one of the techies you can find here. But beforehand, do make sure that the problem is actually with the deck. Ie. change the input it's using, test other sources through the amp and so on until you have eliminated any other possibilities. One other thing you might try is doing some looped recordings since this might narrow down where the fault lies. >> >> Hope this helps >> >> CT >> >> On 26 April 2011 04:30, wrote: >> I am following up on an email I sent early this year (See Below). Thanks to all for your assistance in January. I am reaching out once again, before deciding to send it out to a qualified technician. >> >> >> >> I finally got around to replacing the two Electrolytic caps (C103 & C203) and all but one pair of the PP caps on the Dolby Playback board. I could not find a pair of the C104 & C204 PP caps (5600p 100v). No change, the deck functions just the same. Playback sounds great initially, and after a few tracks, audio becomes distorted (actually "garbled") :(. >> >> >> >> Interesting Observation: >> >> After listening to multiple recordings after an hour or so, I found that the distortion is not audible while the playback is at -40db to -20db as shown on the deck's meter. Distortion becomes audible at -12db to -15db. Very audible at -10db and nearly impossible to comprehend approaching 0db or more. >> >> >> >> Belts & motors seem strong. I deoxidized the Tape/Source switch well. I wonder if there is another board I should recap before sending it out to a tech. I have read that all the orange caps should be replaced, but then the deck will have to be re-calabrted too. I can work with a soldering iron, but I might be out of my league with calibrating. >> >> January 2011 >> I acquired the 1000 ZXL this past Summer with an issue. The audio is wonderful initially, until it warms up, then the distortion begins to set into the right channel and then the left. Audio becomes "garbled." Distortion becomes audible in 10-15 minutes from initial startup. Very quickly, the distortion becomes too annoying. After powering down for 20 minutes, the deck sounds briefly until the distortion returns. I started to focus on the caps, but I wonder if it can be a transistor or microprocessor that fails when too warm. 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URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 28 15:28:58 2011 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 06:28:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <464449.11449.qm@web112708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> On the other hand despite my BX 300 disaster, I have bought at least 50 plus decks( mostly Naks) out of which I can recall only 15 or so being utterly bad. That gives ebay seller's a 70% positive in my books. However, I am not as concerned because I only use paypal and I have not lost a penny in any of my transactions. One gets to learn personalities when one gets stuck with the kind of deck I recently got stuck with. Moral of the story. Read the listings well. Ask questions. Never pay with acheck or money transfer. Use paypal. Thats it. You are covered. Lets go shopping. This disease is never ending! Ram. --- On Wed, 4/27/11, Beckner, Derrick wrote: From: Beckner, Derrick Subject: RE: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Wednesday, April 27, 2011, 4:40 PM I never got a deck from EBay that was fully operational.  They ranged from minor problems like worn belts to completely fried outputs.  But all as good as “new”, I assure you.The biggest disappointment was a Dragon that didn’t reverse and didn’t record in one channel and had noise issues.  Luckily the owner paid for the repairs, which were not cheap.  I have a feeling he popped a tape in, hit play, let it run for 30 seconds and declared it “good as new”.  Also got a top of the line Onkyo (can’t remember the model) that was totally and irreversible hosed in so many ways I can’t even remember them all.     From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Victor Gabrenas Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 4:10 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Beocord 9000  Maybe there should be a section or web page for the “hall of shame” ebay sellers? It could force some sellers to be honest.  Vic  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Scott Johnson Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 1:35 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000  If the seller is a Naktalk member he should be banned!  That head assembly looks disgusting!  From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, April 26, 2011 6:32:08 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 Well,  I am attaching a photo of a deck(BX300) I received yesterday from a seller on ebay, who claimed the deck worked fine when he sold it. I could not even bring myself to insert a cassette tape  in this deck's well.  Once powered up, the transformer overheated and the deck just went blip....off! The capstans did rotate though until all went quiet.( about three minutes n all)  Ebay is refunding the money( its back to the seller already) and the seller will get a nice negative for sure.  I hope the seller is not a naktalk member! :)  Ram.     --- On Tue, 4/26/11, hhtltd at juno.com wrote: From: hhtltd at juno.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 10:45 AMChristine:     You should give the seller a negative rating and file complaint with EBAY. The Beogram 9000 like most (not all) othertape units WILL NOTG operate with no belts. Misrepresenting the operational integrity of any equipment is consideredin many cases as fraudulent sale. In short, it couldn't have worked no matter what he said.      Get belts from Vintage electronics or Marr communications. Good Luck! NCM On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:55:14 +0100 Christian Thomas writes:I recently aquired a Beo 9000 which they say competes soundwise with Nak decks.  I'd like to find out if this is true (and will happily share tyhe results when I do) but at the moment it has no belts.  (That's how it came, though the seller on eBay swore it was working when it left his hands!).  I was wondering if anyone knows where I might find some? Thanks in advance Christian  ____________________________________________________________ Groupon.com Official Site 1 huge daily deal on the best stuff to do in your city. Try it today! 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URL: From ziomaury at teletu.it Thu Apr 28 14:49:25 2011 From: ziomaury at teletu.it (Ziomaury) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 14:49:25 +0200 Subject: R: R: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor In-Reply-To: <443323.39599.qm@web130104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <266156.89238.qm@web130107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <443323.39599.qm@web130104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003f01cc05a2$b4560980$1d021c80$@teletu.it> Hallo Ron. I’ve found a technical lab that repair hi-fi equipments. They’re able to remove the reel motor and replace the arm but, if it’s not too much trouble for you, the best is that you send me the instruction about this. I’m sorry to bother you. Thanks and regards, Maurizio Da: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Per conto di Ron Inviato: giovedì 21 aprile 2011 16:38 A: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Oggetto: Re: R: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor > ... another way to replace the arm of idler tire without remove the reel motor? Not that I know of. There isn't enough room to work on the motor when it's installed in the deck. BTW, your English is fine. -- Ron _____ From: Ziomaury To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thu, April 21, 2011 3:40:04 AM Subject: R: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor Hallo Ron, Thanks for your explanation. I’m agree with you about that remove the reel motor is very difficult. There’s another way to replace the arm of idler tire without remove the reel motor? Thanks and regards, Maurizio P.S. Sorry for my English (very basic!) Da: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Per conto di Ron Inviato: mercoledì 20 aprile 2011 22:25 A: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Oggetto: Re: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor Maurizio, Removing the reel motor is a comparatively big job. Some people prefer to remove the transport form the deck. Personally, I prefer to do it in the deck. In any case, it's an elaborate job. If you've never done it, it's not a good idea to learn on your own CR07 :-). I highly recommend you have it done by a professional. If you insist on doing it yourself anyway, please let me now and I'll post instructions. Good luck, -- Ron From: Ziomaury < ziomaury at teletu.it> To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wed, April 20, 2011 10:24:18 AM Subject: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor Hallo. I’ve tried to replace the idle tire on a CR7-E but unfortunately I’ve break the plastic idle arm. To replace the arm I think that the best is remove the complete reel motor. I don’t understand how I must do it. Can somebody help me about this? Many thanks. Maurizio -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Thu Apr 28 16:17:20 2011 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 07:17:20 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000zxl - Distortion In-Reply-To: References: <478066290.452446.1303788191017.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <1322747316.452746.1303788645985.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <17078137-E2C8-49AB-A9C5-7B1BC3EBEF43@peromarta.org> Message-ID: If it is happening on both sides, I would tend to suspect a supply voltage line that is feeding both left and right channel amplifiers, and which is sagging after warmup. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Christian Thomas < ct.waveform at googlemail.com> wrote: > Luis and Willy > > I am astonished that you both think that DC offset could be the issue - and > I am quite happy to believe it and can see how it might happen. You are > almost certainly right, and I'm always in favour of not ripping out > components, but could you please explain to me why? Were the overheads so > low or was it a design issue that was overlooked? (In which case I am > probably overlooking it today.) > > Best wishes > > CT > > On 26 April 2011 13:35, Luis Peromarta Regert wrote: > >> Also opamp offset needs to be checked. That would be my first candidate. >> >> >> Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. >> >> El 26/04/2011, a las 13:49, Christian Thomas >> escribió: >> >> This sounds to me like something wrong in an amplifier stage. It could be >> a transistor - or two - that has come to its last moments. What is probably >> happening is that it is getting hot after a few tracks and then not doing >> what it should. Odd, though that it would appear to be on both sides. >> >> If you have a scope you could trace this from the tape amp onwards. If >> you don't, but have a service manual and a multimeter, then you could check >> all the voltages down the signal chain. It does sound like a job for >> someone reasonably expert so probably should be sent out to one of the >> techies you can find here. But beforehand, do make sure that the problem is >> actually with the deck. Ie. change the input it's using, test other >> sources through the amp and so on until you have eliminated any other >> possibilities. One other thing you might try is doing some looped >> recordings since this might narrow down where the fault lies. >> >> Hope this helps >> >> CT >> >> On 26 April 2011 04:30, < >> brian.janke at comcast.net> wrote: >> >>> I am following up on an email I sent early this year (See Below). >>> Thanks to all for your assistance in January. I am reaching out once again, >>> before deciding to send it out to a qualified technician. >>> >>> >>> >>> I finally got around to replacing the two Electrolytic caps (C103 & C203) >>> and all but one pair of the PP caps on the Dolby Playback board. I could >>> not find a pair of the C104 & C204 PP caps (5600p 100v). No change, the >>> deck functions just the same. Playback sounds great initially, and after a >>> few tracks, audio becomes distorted (actually "garbled") :(. >>> >>> >>> >>> *Interesting Observation:* >>> >>> After listening to multiple recordings after an hour or so, I found that >>> the distortion is not audible while the playback is at -40db to -20db as >>> shown on the deck's meter. Distortion becomes audible at -12db to -15db. >>> Very audible at -10db and nearly impossible to comprehend approaching 0db or >>> more. >>> >>> >>> >>> Belts & motors seem strong. I deoxidized the Tape/Source switch well. I >>> wonder if there is another board I should recap before sending it out to a >>> tech. I have read that all the orange caps should be replaced, but then the >>> deck will have to be re-calabrted too. I can work with a soldering >>> iron, but I might be out of my league with calibrating. >>> >>> *January 2011* >>> I acquired the 1000 ZXL this past Summer with an issue. The audio is >>> wonderful initially, until it warms up, then the distortion begins to set >>> into the right channel and then the left. Audio becomes "garbled." >>> Distortion becomes audible in 10-15 minutes from initial startup. Very >>> quickly, the distortion becomes too annoying. After powering down for 20 >>> minutes, the deck sounds briefly until the distortion returns. I started to >>> focus on the caps, but I wonder if it can be a transistor or microprocessor >>> that fails when too warm. 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URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Thu Apr 28 16:51:46 2011 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 07:51:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Tapes you use to record In-Reply-To: <000301cc047c$9143feb0$b3cbfc10$@net> Message-ID: <183131.10511.qm@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> TDK SM Pro tapes are infact TDK SA in a different package - pretty good tape for the money You can get them for about 2 $ on ebay (60 Min) Any used Tape  is not as good as fresh blank tape like this tape for example. I have always noticed poorer HF record characteristics than the fresh tape even though you may not notice sound quality issues  kannan --- On Tue, 4/26/11, Tim and Pam Sepper wrote: From: Tim and Pam Sepper Subject: [naktalk] Tapes you use to record To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 9:43 PM I just bought some TDK SM Pro Premium High bias tape from J&R for $4 each.  Looks like pretty good specs, I think.  Anyone have experience with these?  Comparable to TDK SA?  Tim    Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 19:51:15 -0600From: Mark Exstedt Subject: FW: [naktalk] Tapes you use to recordTo: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"    You can't go wrong with TDK SA or Maxell XLII.They are available on Ebay and some listings have reasonable prices.It's also a good idea to buy used TDK SA and Maxell XLII and then erase them with a bulk eraser before doing your recordings.I also use Denon HD-8, HD-7, and HD-6 cassettes to record my treasured LP collection.I've been recording cassettes since the 70's and my preference hasen't changed much. I use the TDK-SA on acoustic guitar and the Maxell XLII on heavy metal. > From: hockeyeast at yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 19:50:59 -0400> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: [naktalk] Tapes you use to record> > > Maybe this has been covered before, so if it has I apologize. What tapes do you use to record with. Your favorites? Thanks...rich     -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hhtltd at juno.com Thu Apr 28 19:20:27 2011 From: hhtltd at juno.com (hhtltd at juno.com) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 13:20:27 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Tapes you use to record Message-ID: <20110428.132028.2896.4.hhtltd@juno.com> Relevant topic. FYI, ordered 10 TDK SA90 tapes ( 5 two-packs) from J&R music (NYC) yesterday (4/27) and just rec'd them via UPS...1 day delivery ($6.50 via UPS) to CT. Price per tape comes to $2.995. Considering decades of inflationary pricing, not bad deal. NCM On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 07:51:46 -0700 (PDT) kannan srinivasaraghavan writes: TDK SM Pro tapes are infact TDK SA in a different package - pretty good tape for the money You can get them for about 2 $ on ebay (60 Min) Any used Tape is not as good as fresh blank tape like this tape for example. I have always noticed poorer HF record characteristics than the fresh tape even though you may not notice sound quality issues kannan --- On Tue, 4/26/11, Tim and Pam Sepper wrote: From: Tim and Pam Sepper Subject: [naktalk] Tapes you use to record To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 9:43 PM I just bought some TDK SM Pro Premium High bias tape from J&R for $4 each. Looks like pretty good specs, I think. Anyone have experience with these? Comparable to TDK SA? Tim Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 19:51:15 -0600 From: Mark Exstedt Subject: FW: [naktalk] Tapes you use to record To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" You can't go wrong with TDK SA or Maxell XLII. They are available on Ebay and some listings have reasonable prices. It's also a good idea to buy used TDK SA and Maxell XLII and then erase them with a bulk eraser before doing your recordings. I also use Denon HD-8, HD-7, and HD-6 cassettes to record my treasured LP collection. I've been recording cassettes since the 70's and my preference hasen't changed much. I use the TDK-SA on acoustic guitar and the Maxell XLII on heavy metal. > From: hockeyeast at yahoo.com > Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 19:50:59 -0400 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Tapes you use to record > > > Maybe this has been covered before, so if it has I apologize. What tapes do you use to record with. Your favorites? 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URL: From ct.waveform at googlemail.com Thu Apr 28 20:10:41 2011 From: ct.waveform at googlemail.com (Christian Thomas) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 19:10:41 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000zxl - Distortion In-Reply-To: References: <478066290.452446.1303788191017.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <1322747316.452746.1303788645985.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <17078137-E2C8-49AB-A9C5-7B1BC3EBEF43@peromarta.org> Message-ID: Can I just concur with Fred here. The clue is in it being both sides. You may be in luck if that's the case. CT On 28 April 2011 15:17, Fred Longworth wrote: > If it is happening on both sides, I would tend to suspect a supply voltage > line that is feeding both left and right channel amplifiers, and which is > sagging after warmup. > > Fred > Classic Audio Repair > www.repairaudio.com > > * * * * * > > On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Christian Thomas < > ct.waveform at googlemail.com> wrote: > >> Luis and Willy >> >> I am astonished that you both think that DC offset could be the issue - >> and I am quite happy to believe it and can see how it might happen. You are >> almost certainly right, and I'm always in favour of not ripping out >> components, but could you please explain to me why? Were the overheads so >> low or was it a design issue that was overlooked? (In which case I am >> probably overlooking it today.) >> >> Best wishes >> >> CT >> >> On 26 April 2011 13:35, Luis Peromarta Regert wrote: >> >>> Also opamp offset needs to be checked. That would be my first candidate. >>> >>> >>> Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. >>> >>> El 26/04/2011, a las 13:49, Christian Thomas >>> escribió: >>> >>> This sounds to me like something wrong in an amplifier stage. It could >>> be a transistor - or two - that has come to its last moments. What is >>> probably happening is that it is getting hot after a few tracks and then not >>> doing what it should. Odd, though that it would appear to be on both sides. >>> >>> If you have a scope you could trace this from the tape amp onwards. If >>> you don't, but have a service manual and a multimeter, then you could check >>> all the voltages down the signal chain. It does sound like a job for >>> someone reasonably expert so probably should be sent out to one of the >>> techies you can find here. But beforehand, do make sure that the problem is >>> actually with the deck. Ie. change the input it's using, test other >>> sources through the amp and so on until you have eliminated any other >>> possibilities. One other thing you might try is doing some looped >>> recordings since this might narrow down where the fault lies. >>> >>> Hope this helps >>> >>> CT >>> >>> On 26 April 2011 04:30, < >>> brian.janke at comcast.net> wrote: >>> >>>> I am following up on an email I sent early this year (See Below). >>>> Thanks to all for your assistance in January. I am reaching out once again, >>>> before deciding to send it out to a qualified technician. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I finally got around to replacing the two Electrolytic caps (C103 & >>>> C203) and all but one pair of the PP caps on the Dolby Playback board. I >>>> could not find a pair of the C104 & C204 PP caps (5600p 100v). No >>>> change, the deck functions just the same. Playback sounds great initially, >>>> and after a few tracks, audio becomes distorted (actually "garbled") :(. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *Interesting Observation:* >>>> >>>> After listening to multiple recordings after an hour or so, I found >>>> that the distortion is not audible while the playback is at -40db to -20db >>>> as shown on the deck's meter. Distortion becomes audible at -12db to >>>> -15db. Very audible at -10db and nearly impossible to comprehend >>>> approaching 0db or more. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Belts & motors seem strong. I deoxidized the Tape/Source switch well. >>>> I wonder if there is another board I should recap before sending it out to >>>> a tech. I have read that all the orange caps should be replaced, but then >>>> the deck will have to be re-calabrted too. I can work with a soldering >>>> iron, but I might be out of my league with calibrating. >>>> >>>> *January 2011* >>>> I acquired the 1000 ZXL this past Summer with an issue. The audio is >>>> wonderful initially, until it warms up, then the distortion begins to set >>>> into the right channel and then the left. Audio becomes "garbled." >>>> Distortion becomes audible in 10-15 minutes from initial startup. Very >>>> quickly, the distortion becomes too annoying. After powering down for 20 >>>> minutes, the deck sounds briefly until the distortion returns. I started to >>>> focus on the caps, but I wonder if it can be a transistor or microprocessor >>>> that fails when too warm. Anyone have a suggestion? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! >>>> http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: >>>> >>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! >>> http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: >>> >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brian.janke at comcast.net Thu Apr 28 20:10:48 2011 From: brian.janke at comcast.net (brian.janke at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 18:10:48 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000zxl - Distortion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <531702194.607170.1304014248378.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Yes, sagging after warm-up, yet distortion is only audible as the playback meter approaches -20db.  Distortion  becomes very audible at -10db, and nearly impossible to comprehend audio approaching 0db or more.  Fred's idea makes sense to me.  I have no schematic or service manual to confirm the correct supply voltages.  Would anyone care to share a few service details, correct voltages, and test points - or a couple pages from the service manual? I will follow up with three other opinions we observed this week via email.  Many thanks to NakTalk ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Longworth " < classicaudiorepair @ gmail .com> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" < naktalk @ naks .com> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 9:17:20 AM Subject: Re: [ naktalk ] Nak 1000zxl - Distortion If it is happening on both sides, I would tend to suspect a supply voltage line that is feeding both left and right channel amplifiers, and which is sagging after warmup . Fred Classic Audio Repair www . repairaudio .com * * * * * On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Christian Thomas < ct.waveform@ googlemail .com > wrote: Luis and Willy I am astonished that you both think that DC offset could be the issue - and I am quite happy to believe it and can see how it might happen.  You are almost certainly right, and I'm always in favour of not ripping out components, but could you please explain to me why?  Were the overheads so low or was it a design issue that was overlooked?  (In which case I am probably overlooking it today.) Best wishes CT On 26 April 2011 13:35, Luis Peromarta Regert < luis @ peromarta .org > wrote: Also opamp offset needs to be checked. That would be my first candidate.  Sent from iPhone . Pls excuse typos. El 26/04/2011, a las 13:49, Christian Thomas < ct.waveform@ googlemail .com > escribió : This sounds to me like something wrong in an amplifier stage.  It could be a transistor - or two - that has come to its last moments.  What is probably happening is that it is getting hot after a few tracks and then not doing what it should.  Odd, though that it would appear to be on both sides. If you have a scope you could trace this from the tape amp onwards.  If you don't, but have a service manual and a multimeter, then you could check all the voltages down the signal chain.  It does sound like a job for someone reasonably expert so probably should be sent out to one of the techies you can find here.  But beforehand, do make sure that the problem is actually with the deck.  Ie .  change the input it's using, test other sources through the amp and so on until you have eliminated any other possibilities.  One other thing you might try is doing some looped recordings since this might narrow down where the fault lies. Hope this helps CT On 26 April 2011 04:30, < brian . janke @comcast.net > wrote: I am following up on an email I sent early this year (See Below).  Thanks to all for your assistance in January.  I am reaching out once again, before deciding to send it out to a qualified technician. I finally got around to replacing the two Electrolytic caps (C103 & C203) and all but one pair of the PP caps on the Dolby Playback board.  I could not find a pair of the C104 & C204 PP caps (5600p 100v).  No change, the deck functions just the same.  Playback sounds great initially, and after a few tracks, audio becomes distorted (actually "garbled")  :(.   Interesting Observation: After listening to multiple recordings after an hour or so,  I found that the distortion is not audible while the playback is at -40db to -20db as shown on the deck's meter.  Distortion becomes audible at -12db to -15db.  Very audible at -10db and nearly impossible to comprehend approaching 0db or more. Belts & motors seem strong.  I deoxidized the Tape/Source switch well.  I wonder if there is another board I should recap before sending it out to a tech.  I have read that all the orange caps should be replaced, but then the deck will have to be re-calabrted too.  I can work with a soldering iron, but I might be out of my league with calibrating.   January 2011 I acquired the 1000 ZXL this past Summer with an issue.  The audio is wonderful initially, until it warms up, then the distortion begins to set into the right channel and then the left.  Audio becomes "garbled."  Distortion becomes audible in 10-15 minutes from initial startup .  Very quickly, the distortion becomes too annoying.  After powering down for 20 minutes, the deck sounds briefly until the distortion returns.  I started to focus on the caps, but I wonder if it can be a transistor or microprocessor that fails when too warm.  Anyone have a suggestion? ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki ! http :// www . naks .com/ wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk @ naks .com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http :// www . naks .com/mailman/ listinfo / naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki ! http :// www . naks .com/ wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk @ naks .com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http :// www . naks .com/mailman/ listinfo / naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki ! http :// www . naks .com/ wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk @ naks .com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http :// www . naks .com/mailman/ listinfo / naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========   ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki ! http :// www . naks .com/ wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                          Naktalk @ naks .com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http :// www . naks .com/mailman/ listinfo / naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Thu Apr 28 22:20:39 2011 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 13:20:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000zxl - Distortion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <326460.73716.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> 1000 ZXL playback amp output offset would start drifting as the temperature inside increases which is normal - you will find that out if you connect a DC meter ( sensitive ) at the output before the coupling cap and monitor continuously. IF the offset is already high, this drift causes distortion as it goes beyond couple of volts. If you adjust it to 0V then the drift is withing accepatble limits and does not cause distortion. Also the drift is more with polyustrene caps ( if you replace the original Polypropylene orange caps) - If you use WIMA polyprop caps the drift is lesser.   1000 ZXL powersupply is regulated ( discrete independent regulators for each part) and does not sag with time/ or temperature - infact quite steady   So I do not concur with Fred here - having worked on more than 4 1000 ZXL decks in the past one year! kannan --- On Thu, 4/28/11, Christian Thomas wrote: From: Christian Thomas Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 1000zxl - Distortion To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, April 28, 2011, 2:10 PM Can I just concur with Fred here.  The clue is in it being both sides.  You may be in luck if that's the case. CT On 28 April 2011 15:17, Fred Longworth wrote: If it is happening on both sides, I would tend to suspect a supply voltage line that is feeding both left and right channel amplifiers, and which is sagging after warmup. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Christian Thomas wrote: Luis and Willy I am astonished that you both think that DC offset could be the issue - and I am quite happy to believe it and can see how it might happen.  You are almost certainly right, and I'm always in favour of not ripping out components, but could you please explain to me why?  Were the overheads so low or was it a design issue that was overlooked?  (In which case I am probably overlooking it today.) Best wishes CT On 26 April 2011 13:35, Luis Peromarta Regert wrote: Also opamp offset needs to be checked. That would be my first candidate.  Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. El 26/04/2011, a las 13:49, Christian Thomas escribió: This sounds to me like something wrong in an amplifier stage.  It could be a transistor - or two - that has come to its last moments.  What is probably happening is that it is getting hot after a few tracks and then not doing what it should.  Odd, though that it would appear to be on both sides.   If you have a scope you could trace this from the tape amp onwards.  If you don't, but have a service manual and a multimeter, then you could check all the voltages down the signal chain.  It does sound like a job for someone reasonably expert so probably should be sent out to one of the techies you can find here.  But beforehand, do make sure that the problem is actually with the deck.  Ie.  change the input it's using, test other sources through the amp and so on until you have eliminated any other possibilities.  One other thing you might try is doing some looped recordings since this might narrow down where the fault lies.   Hope this helps   CT On 26 April 2011 04:30, wrote: I am following up on an email I sent early this year (See Below).  Thanks to all for your assistance in January.  I am reaching out once again, before deciding to send it out to a qualified technician.   I finally got around to replacing the two Electrolytic caps (C103 & C203) and all but one pair of the PP caps on the Dolby Playback board.  I could not find a pair of the C104 & C204 PP caps (5600p 100v).  No change, the deck functions just the same.  Playback sounds great initially, and after a few tracks, audio becomes distorted (actually "garbled")  :(.     Interesting Observation: After listening to multiple recordings after an hour or so,  I found that the distortion is not audible while the playback is at -40db to -20db as shown on the deck's meter.  Distortion becomes audible at -12db to -15db.  Very audible at -10db and nearly impossible to comprehend approaching 0db or more.   Belts & motors seem strong.  I deoxidized the Tape/Source switch well.  I wonder if there is another board I should recap before sending it out to a tech.  I have read that all the orange caps should be replaced, but then the deck will have to be re-calabrted too.  I can work with a soldering iron, but I might be out of my league with calibrating.   January 2011 I acquired the 1000 ZXL this past Summer with an issue.  The audio is wonderful initially, until it warms up, then the distortion begins to set into the right channel and then the left.  Audio becomes "garbled."  Distortion becomes audible in 10-15 minutes from initial startup.  Very quickly, the distortion becomes too annoying.  After powering down for 20 minutes, the deck sounds briefly until the distortion returns.  I started to focus on the caps, but I wonder if it can be a transistor or microprocessor that fails when too warm.  Anyone have a suggestion? 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URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Thu Apr 28 22:30:46 2011 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 12:30:46 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000zxl - Distortion In-Reply-To: References: <478066290.452446.1303788191017.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <1322747316.452746.1303788645985.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <17078137-E2C8-49AB-A9C5-7B1BC3EBEF43@peromarta.org> Message-ID: I just had exactly that problem with a 1000ZXL I'm working on - adjusting the DC offset of the initial play head amp solved the problem. Nak used a "matched pair" of fets as the initial amplification for the play head. The circuit is inherently thermally unstable and will drift over the years as components age. If the circuit drifts too far in one direction the signal will exceed the rail voltage on that side and distort. Willy On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Christian Thomas < ct.waveform at googlemail.com> wrote: > Can I just concur with Fred here. The clue is in it being both sides. You > may be in luck if that's the case. > > CT > > On 28 April 2011 15:17, Fred Longworth wrote: > >> If it is happening on both sides, I would tend to suspect a supply voltage >> line that is feeding both left and right channel amplifiers, and which is >> sagging after warmup. >> >> Fred >> Classic Audio Repair >> www.repairaudio.com >> >> * * * * * >> >> On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Christian Thomas < >> ct.waveform at googlemail.com> wrote: >> >>> Luis and Willy >>> >>> I am astonished that you both think that DC offset could be the issue - >>> and I am quite happy to believe it and can see how it might happen. You are >>> almost certainly right, and I'm always in favour of not ripping out >>> components, but could you please explain to me why? Were the overheads so >>> low or was it a design issue that was overlooked? (In which case I am >>> probably overlooking it today.) >>> >>> Best wishes >>> >>> CT >>> >>> On 26 April 2011 13:35, Luis Peromarta Regert wrote: >>> >>>> Also opamp offset needs to be checked. That would be my first >>>> candidate. >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. >>>> >>>> El 26/04/2011, a las 13:49, Christian Thomas < >>>> ct.waveform at googlemail.com> escribió: >>>> >>>> This sounds to me like something wrong in an amplifier stage. It could >>>> be a transistor - or two - that has come to its last moments. What is >>>> probably happening is that it is getting hot after a few tracks and then not >>>> doing what it should. Odd, though that it would appear to be on both sides. >>>> >>>> If you have a scope you could trace this from the tape amp onwards. If >>>> you don't, but have a service manual and a multimeter, then you could check >>>> all the voltages down the signal chain. It does sound like a job for >>>> someone reasonably expert so probably should be sent out to one of the >>>> techies you can find here. But beforehand, do make sure that the problem is >>>> actually with the deck. Ie. change the input it's using, test other >>>> sources through the amp and so on until you have eliminated any other >>>> possibilities. One other thing you might try is doing some looped >>>> recordings since this might narrow down where the fault lies. >>>> >>>> Hope this helps >>>> >>>> CT >>>> >>>> On 26 April 2011 04:30, < >>>> brian.janke at comcast.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I am following up on an email I sent early this year (See Below). >>>>> Thanks to all for your assistance in January. I am reaching out once again, >>>>> before deciding to send it out to a qualified technician. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I finally got around to replacing the two Electrolytic caps (C103 & >>>>> C203) and all but one pair of the PP caps on the Dolby Playback board. I >>>>> could not find a pair of the C104 & C204 PP caps (5600p 100v). No >>>>> change, the deck functions just the same. Playback sounds great initially, >>>>> and after a few tracks, audio becomes distorted (actually "garbled") :(. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Interesting Observation:* >>>>> >>>>> After listening to multiple recordings after an hour or so, I found >>>>> that the distortion is not audible while the playback is at -40db to -20db >>>>> as shown on the deck's meter. Distortion becomes audible at -12db to >>>>> -15db. Very audible at -10db and nearly impossible to comprehend >>>>> approaching 0db or more. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Belts & motors seem strong. I deoxidized the Tape/Source switch well. >>>>> I wonder if there is another board I should recap before sending it out to >>>>> a tech. I have read that all the orange caps should be replaced, but then >>>>> the deck will have to be re-calabrted too. I can work with a soldering >>>>> iron, but I might be out of my league with calibrating. >>>>> >>>>> *January 2011* >>>>> I acquired the 1000 ZXL this past Summer with an issue. The audio is >>>>> wonderful initially, until it warms up, then the distortion begins to set >>>>> into the right channel and then the left. Audio becomes "garbled." >>>>> Distortion becomes audible in 10-15 minutes from initial startup. Very >>>>> quickly, the distortion becomes too annoying. After powering down for 20 >>>>> minutes, the deck sounds briefly until the distortion returns. I started to >>>>> focus on the caps, but I wonder if it can be a transistor or microprocessor >>>>> that fails when too warm. Anyone have a suggestion? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Also check out the wiki! >>>>> http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>> Maintain your account here: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! >>>> http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: >>>> >>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: >>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Thu Apr 28 22:51:26 2011 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 14:51:26 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000zxl - Distortion In-Reply-To: <531702194.607170.1304014248378.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <531702194.607170.1304014248378.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <004801cc05e6$0a6f8740$1f4e95c0$@math.utah.edu> I would suggest pulling the service manual from the wiki link listed at the bottom of the E-mail. Though the supply voltage could be the culprit, I would still align the DC offset first. Procedures is on page 29. Pins 1 and 7 on IC301 to 100mV or less. Vic From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of brian.janke at comcast.net Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 12:11 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 1000zxl - Distortion Yes, sagging after warm-up, yet distortion is only audible as the playback meter approaches -20db. Distortion becomes very audible at -10db, and nearly impossible to comprehend audio approaching 0db or more. Fred's idea makes sense to me. I have no schematic or service manual to confirm the correct supply voltages. Would anyone care to share a few service details, correct voltages, and test points - or a couple pages from the service manual? I will follow up with three other opinions we observed this week via email. Many thanks to NakTalk! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Longworth" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 9:17:20 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 1000zxl - Distortion If it is happening on both sides, I would tend to suspect a supply voltage line that is feeding both left and right channel amplifiers, and which is sagging after warmup. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Christian Thomas wrote: Luis and Willy I am astonished that you both think that DC offset could be the issue - and I am quite happy to believe it and can see how it might happen. You are almost certainly right, and I'm always in favour of not ripping out components, but could you please explain to me why? Were the overheads so low or was it a design issue that was overlooked? (In which case I am probably overlooking it today.) Best wishes CT On 26 April 2011 13:35, Luis Peromarta Regert wrote: Also opamp offset needs to be checked. That would be my first candidate. Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. El 26/04/2011, a las 13:49, Christian Thomas escribió: This sounds to me like something wrong in an amplifier stage. It could be a transistor - or two - that has come to its last moments. What is probably happening is that it is getting hot after a few tracks and then not doing what it should. Odd, though that it would appear to be on both sides. If you have a scope you could trace this from the tape amp onwards. If you don't, but have a service manual and a multimeter, then you could check all the voltages down the signal chain. It does sound like a job for someone reasonably expert so probably should be sent out to one of the techies you can find here. But beforehand, do make sure that the problem is actually with the deck. Ie. change the input it's using, test other sources through the amp and so on until you have eliminated any other possibilities. One other thing you might try is doing some looped recordings since this might narrow down where the fault lies. Hope this helps CT On 26 April 2011 04:30, wrote: I am following up on an email I sent early this year (See Below). Thanks to all for your assistance in January. I am reaching out once again, before deciding to send it out to a qualified technician. I finally got around to replacing the two Electrolytic caps (C103 & C203) and all but one pair of the PP caps on the Dolby Playback board. I could not find a pair of the C104 & C204 PP caps (5600p 100v). No change, the deck functions just the same. Playback sounds great initially, and after a few tracks, audio becomes distorted (actually "garbled") :(. Interesting Observation: After listening to multiple recordings after an hour or so, I found that the distortion is not audible while the playback is at -40db to -20db as shown on the deck's meter. Distortion becomes audible at -12db to -15db. Very audible at -10db and nearly impossible to comprehend approaching 0db or more. Belts & motors seem strong. I deoxidized the Tape/Source switch well. I wonder if there is another board I should recap before sending it out to a tech. I have read that all the orange caps should be replaced, but then the deck will have to be re-calabrted too. I can work with a soldering iron, but I might be out of my league with calibrating. January 2011 I acquired the 1000 ZXL this past Summer with an issue. The audio is wonderful initially, until it warms up, then the distortion begins to set into the right channel and then the left. Audio becomes "garbled." Distortion becomes audible in 10-15 minutes from initial startup. Very quickly, the distortion becomes too annoying. After powering down for 20 minutes, the deck sounds briefly until the distortion returns. I started to focus on the caps, but I wonder if it can be a transistor or microprocessor that fails when too warm. 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URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Thu Apr 28 23:47:28 2011 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 14:47:28 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000zxl - Distortion In-Reply-To: <326460.73716.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <326460.73716.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: However, if the distortion is *identical in both channels* and if the time it takes for both channels to become distorted are the same, the statistical probability of both channels drifting into distortion at the same time is fairly low. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 1:20 PM, kannan srinivasaraghavan < kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com> wrote: > 1000 ZXL playback amp output offset would start drifting as the temperature > inside increases which is normal - you will find that out if you connect a > DC meter ( sensitive ) at the output before the coupling cap and monitor > continuously. IF the offset is already high, this drift causes distortion as > it goes beyond couple of volts. If you adjust it to 0V then the drift is > withing accepatble limits and does not cause distortion. Also the drift is > more with polyustrene caps ( if you replace the original Polypropylene > orange caps) - If you use WIMA polyprop caps the drift is lesser. > > 1000 ZXL powersupply is regulated ( discrete independent regulators for > each part) and does not sag with time/ or temperature - infact quite steady > > So I do not concur with Fred here - having worked on more than 4 1000 ZXL > decks in the past one year! > kannan > > --- On *Thu, 4/28/11, Christian Thomas *wrote: > > > From: Christian Thomas > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 1000zxl - Distortion > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Thursday, April 28, 2011, 2:10 PM > > > Can I just concur with Fred here. The clue is in it being both sides. You > may be in luck if that's the case. > > CT > > On 28 April 2011 15:17, Fred Longworth > > wrote: > > If it is happening on both sides, I would tend to suspect a supply voltage > line that is feeding both left and right channel amplifiers, and which is > sagging after warmup. > > Fred > Classic Audio Repair > www.repairaudio.com > > * * * * * > > On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Christian Thomas < > ct.waveform at googlemail.com > > wrote: > > Luis and Willy > > I am astonished that you both think that DC offset could be the issue - and > I am quite happy to believe it and can see how it might happen. You are > almost certainly right, and I'm always in favour of not ripping out > components, but could you please explain to me why? Were the overheads so > low or was it a design issue that was overlooked? (In which case I am > probably overlooking it today.) > > Best wishes > > CT > > On 26 April 2011 13:35, Luis Peromarta Regert > > wrote: > > Also opamp offset needs to be checked. That would be my first candidate. > > > > Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. > > El 26/04/2011, a las 13:49, Christian Thomas > > escribió: > > This sounds to me like something wrong in an amplifier stage. It > could be a transistor - or two - that has come to its last moments. What is > probably happening is that it is getting hot after a few tracks and then not > doing what it should. Odd, though that it would appear to be on both sides. > > If you have a scope you could trace this from the tape amp onwards. If you > don't, but have a service manual and a multimeter, then you could check all > the voltages down the signal chain. It does sound like a job for someone > reasonably expert so probably should be sent out to one of the techies you > can find here. But beforehand, do make sure that the problem is actually > with the deck. Ie. change the input it's using, test other sources through > the amp and so on until you have eliminated any other possibilities. One > other thing you might try is doing some looped recordings since this might > narrow down where the fault lies. > > Hope this helps > > CT > > On 26 April 2011 04:30, < > brian.janke at comcast.net > > wrote: > > I am following up on an email I sent early this year (See Below). > Thanks to all for your assistance in January. I am reaching out once again, > before deciding to send it out to a qualified technician. > > I finally got around to replacing the two Electrolytic caps (C103 & C203) > and all but one pair of the PP caps on the Dolby Playback board. I could > not find a pair of the C104 & C204 PP caps (5600p 100v). No change, the > deck functions just the same. Playback sounds great initially, and after a > few tracks, audio becomes distorted (actually "garbled") :(. > > *Interesting Observation:* > After listening to multiple recordings after an hour or so, I found that > the distortion is not audible while the playback is at -40db to -20db as > shown on the deck's meter. Distortion becomes audible at -12db to -15db. > Very audible at -10db and nearly impossible to comprehend approaching 0db or > more. > > Belts & motors seem strong. I deoxidized the Tape/Source switch well. I > wonder if there is another board I should recap before sending it out to a > tech. I have read that all the orange caps should be replaced, but then the > deck will have to be re-calabrted too. I can work with a soldering > iron, but I might be out of my league with calibrating. > > *January 2011* > I acquired the 1000 ZXL this past Summer with an issue. The audio is > wonderful initially, until it warms up, then the distortion begins to set > into the right channel and then the left. Audio becomes "garbled." > Distortion becomes audible in 10-15 minutes from initial startup. Very > quickly, the distortion becomes too annoying. After powering down for 20 > minutes, the deck sounds briefly until the distortion returns. I started to > focus on the caps, but I wonder if it can be a transistor or microprocessor > that fails when too warm. 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URL: From kmashlan at shaw.ca Thu Apr 28 23:04:03 2011 From: kmashlan at shaw.ca (Ken Mashlan) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 09:04:03 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000zxl - Distortion In-Reply-To: <531702194.607170.1304014248378.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <531702194.607170.1304014248378.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <005a01cc05e7$cdfe6f90$69fb4eb0$@ca> The service manual is available for download at http://www.naks.com/wiki Ken From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of brian.janke at comcast.net Sent: Friday, 29 April 2011 6:11 a.m. To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 1000zxl - Distortion Yes, sagging after warm-up, yet distortion is only audible as the playback meter approaches -20db. Distortion becomes very audible at -10db, and nearly impossible to comprehend audio approaching 0db or more. Fred's idea makes sense to me. I have no schematic or service manual to confirm the correct supply voltages. Would anyone care to share a few service details, correct voltages, and test points - or a couple pages from the service manual? I will follow up with three other opinions we observed this week via email. Many thanks to NakTalk! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Longworth" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 9:17:20 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 1000zxl - Distortion If it is happening on both sides, I would tend to suspect a supply voltage line that is feeding both left and right channel amplifiers, and which is sagging after warmup. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Christian Thomas wrote: Luis and Willy I am astonished that you both think that DC offset could be the issue - and I am quite happy to believe it and can see how it might happen. You are almost certainly right, and I'm always in favour of not ripping out components, but could you please explain to me why? Were the overheads so low or was it a design issue that was overlooked? (In which case I am probably overlooking it today.) Best wishes CT On 26 April 2011 13:35, Luis Peromarta Regert wrote: Also opamp offset needs to be checked. That would be my first candidate. Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. El 26/04/2011, a las 13:49, Christian Thomas escribió: This sounds to me like something wrong in an amplifier stage. It could be a transistor - or two - that has come to its last moments. What is probably happening is that it is getting hot after a few tracks and then not doing what it should. Odd, though that it would appear to be on both sides. If you have a scope you could trace this from the tape amp onwards. If you don't, but have a service manual and a multimeter, then you could check all the voltages down the signal chain. It does sound like a job for someone reasonably expert so probably should be sent out to one of the techies you can find here. But beforehand, do make sure that the problem is actually with the deck. Ie. change the input it's using, test other sources through the amp and so on until you have eliminated any other possibilities. One other thing you might try is doing some looped recordings since this might narrow down where the fault lies. Hope this helps CT On 26 April 2011 04:30, wrote: I am following up on an email I sent early this year (See Below). Thanks to all for your assistance in January. I am reaching out once again, before deciding to send it out to a qualified technician. I finally got around to replacing the two Electrolytic caps (C103 & C203) and all but one pair of the PP caps on the Dolby Playback board. I could not find a pair of the C104 & C204 PP caps (5600p 100v). No change, the deck functions just the same. Playback sounds great initially, and after a few tracks, audio becomes distorted (actually "garbled") :(. Interesting Observation: After listening to multiple recordings after an hour or so, I found that the distortion is not audible while the playback is at -40db to -20db as shown on the deck's meter. Distortion becomes audible at -12db to -15db. Very audible at -10db and nearly impossible to comprehend approaching 0db or more. Belts & motors seem strong. I deoxidized the Tape/Source switch well. I wonder if there is another board I should recap before sending it out to a tech. I have read that all the orange caps should be replaced, but then the deck will have to be re-calabrted too. I can work with a soldering iron, but I might be out of my league with calibrating. January 2011 I acquired the 1000 ZXL this past Summer with an issue. The audio is wonderful initially, until it warms up, then the distortion begins to set into the right channel and then the left. Audio becomes "garbled." Distortion becomes audible in 10-15 minutes from initial startup. Very quickly, the distortion becomes too annoying. After powering down for 20 minutes, the deck sounds briefly until the distortion returns. I started to focus on the caps, but I wonder if it can be a transistor or microprocessor that fails when too warm. 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The capstans did rotate though until all went quiet.( about three minutes n all) Ebay is refunding the money( its back to the seller already) and the seller will get a nice negative for sure. I hope the seller is not a naktalk member! :) Ram. --- On Tue, 4/26/11, hhtltd at juno.com wrote: From: hhtltd at juno.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 10:45 AM Christine:       You should give the seller a negative rating and file complaint with EBAY. The Beogram 9000 like most (not all) other tape units WILL NOTG operate with no belts. Misrepresenting the operational integrity of any equipment is considered in many cases as fraudulent sale. In short, it couldn't have worked no matter what he said.       Get belts from Vintage electronics or Marr communications.   Good Luck!   NCM   On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:55:14 +0100 Christian Thomas writes: I recently aquired a Beo 9000 which they say competes soundwise with Nak decks.  I'd like to find out if this is true (and will happily share tyhe results when I do) but at the moment it has no belts.  (That's how it came, though the seller on eBay swore it was working when it left his hands!).  I was wondering if anyone knows where I might find some?   Thanks in advance   Christian   ____________________________________________________________ Groupon.com Official Site 1 huge daily deal on the best stuff to do in your city. Try it today! 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URL: From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 28 23:52:45 2011 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 14:52:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 In-Reply-To: <002901cc04f5$14375150$3ca5f3f0$@math.utah.edu> Message-ID: <423146.2667.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ram, I thought I had some bad stuff from Flea-Bay but you win! Bob N --- On Wed, 4/27/11, Victor Gabrenas wrote: From: Victor Gabrenas Subject: RE: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Wednesday, April 27, 2011, 9:06 AM Ram, the photo looks like “new in the box”  VicFrom: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 7:32 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000   Well,  I am attaching a photo of a deck(BX300) I received yesterday from a seller on ebay, who claimed the deck worked fine when he sold it. I could not even bring myself to insert a cassette tape  in this deck's well.  Once powered up, the transformer overheated and the deck just went blip....off! The capstans did rotate though until all went quiet.( about three minutes n all)  Ebay is refunding the money( its back to the seller already) and the seller will get a nice negative for sure.  I hope the seller is not a naktalk member! :)  Ram.     --- On Tue, 4/26/11, hhtltd at juno.com wrote: From: hhtltd at juno.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 10:45 AMChristine:     You should give the seller a negative rating and file complaint with EBAY. The Beogram 9000 like most (not all) othertape units WILL NOTG operate with no belts. Misrepresenting the operational integrity of any equipment is consideredin many cases as fraudulent sale. In short, it couldn't have worked no matter what he said.      Get belts from Vintage electronics or Marr communications. Good Luck! NCM On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:55:14 +0100 Christian Thomas writes:I recently aquired a Beo 9000 which they say competes soundwise with Nak decks.  I'd like to find out if this is true (and will happily share tyhe results when I do) but at the moment it has no belts.  (That's how it came, though the seller on eBay swore it was working when it left his hands!).  I was wondering if anyone knows where I might find some? Thanks in advance Christian  ____________________________________________________________ Groupon.com Official Site 1 huge daily deal on the best stuff to do in your city. Try it today! 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URL: From gtsdave at bellsouth.net Fri Apr 29 01:46:56 2011 From: gtsdave at bellsouth.net (gtsdave) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 19:46:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000zxl - Distortion In-Reply-To: <1322747316.452746.1303788645985.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Sounds like a DC off set issue. Contact Willy Herman about this. I had a similar issue and once the DC offset was adjusted, then all was good. -----Original Message----- From: brian.janke at comcast.net [mailto:brian.janke at comcast.net] Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 11:31 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000zxl - Distortion I am following up on an email I sent early this year (See Below). Thanks to all for your assistance in January. I am reaching out once again, before deciding to send it out to a qualified technician. I finally got around to replacing the two Electrolytic caps (C103 & C203) and all but one pair of the PP caps on the Dolby Playback board. I could not find a pair of the C104 & C204 PP caps (5600p 100v). No change, the deck functions just the same. Playback sounds great initially, and after a few tracks, audio becomes distorted (actually "garbled") :(. Interesting Observation: After listening to multiple recordings after an hour or so, I found that the distortion is not audible while the playback is at -40db to -20db as shown on the deck's meter. Distortion becomes audible at -12db to -15db. Very audible at -10db and nearly impossible to comprehend approaching 0db or more. Belts & motors seem strong. I deoxidized the Tape/Source switch well. I wonder if there is another board I should recap before sending it out to a tech. I have read that all the orange caps should be replaced, but then the deck will have to be re-calabrted too. I can work with a soldering iron, but I might be out of my league with calibrating. January 2011 I acquired the 1000 ZXL this past Summer with an issue. The audio is wonderful initially, until it warms up, then the distortion begins to set into the right channel and then the left. Audio becomes "garbled." Distortion becomes audible in 10-15 minutes from initial startup. Very quickly, the distortion becomes too annoying. After powering down for 20 minutes, the deck sounds briefly until the distortion returns. I started to focus on the caps, but I wonder if it can be a transistor or microprocessor that fails when too warm. Anyone have a suggestion? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spacepup at hotmail.com Fri Apr 29 01:51:49 2011 From: spacepup at hotmail.com (Sean Reid) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 19:51:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] dragon repairs in Ontario, Canada? Message-ID: Hi there, I'm new to the list, so forgive me if this question has been answered before. I have 2 Dragons that are in need of repairs, and there is no place locally that can do the job. I see a lot of places in the US that can repair Dragons, but I fear the cost of shipping would be more than the repairs would be. Does anyone know of shops in Canada, (preferably Ontario, or at least close by) that are equipped to do the work? Any and all help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance,Sean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mail at guyfacey.com Fri Apr 29 05:31:42 2011 From: mail at guyfacey.com (Guy Facey) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 11:31:42 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] Repair service in Chicago? In-Reply-To: <11055.78940.qm@web83714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <11055.78940.qm@web83714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I live in Hong Kong but travel each year to England. Nobody seems to know anyone in HK but does anyone know a Nak technician in England? thanks Guy On 27 April 2011 06:43, jesse ruff wrote: > Hello, > I live in Chicago and would recommend a couple places. Let me > rephrase--recommend might be a little strong! l I know they can fix it! > 20th Century will definitely fix your Nak--Mitch has been there for like 40 > plus years, and his shop is awesome--tons of cool vintage electronics, and > he's actually the one to put me on to Nakamichi--he's a bit crabby to say > the least though. Deltronics is also reliable, but expect to shell out some > cash. I've heard of other spots, but haven't taken stuff to them; maybe > Decibel on Milwaukee, but maybe not--their tech may not have the > experience/parts. > Jesse > > --- On *Tue, 4/26/11, Willy Hermann *wrote: > > > From: Willy Hermann > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Repair service in Chicago? > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 11:41 AM > > Sorry Ron - I don't know of anyone in your area. > > Willy > > On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 4:01 PM, daddyo > > wrote: > > Hi, > > I have a Nakamichi CR-1A cassette deck that all of a sudden won't play. > Anyone know of a repair service in the Chicago area? > > > Thanks > > Ron > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.commailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.commailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Fri Apr 29 11:55:06 2011 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 11:55:06 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] dragon repairs in Ontario, Canada? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <983D1CC2-2EC0-4465-8AF9-01C70FF403C7@peromarta.org> I don't think so! A dragon is an expensive deck to service. :-( But certainly worth it! Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. El 29/04/2011, a las 01:51, Sean Reid escribió: > but I fear the cost of shipping would be more than the repairs would be. From luis at peromarta.org Fri Apr 29 12:16:20 2011 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 12:16:20 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Repair service in Chicago? In-Reply-To: References: <11055.78940.qm@web83714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3E03BCDF-7B1F-4DCD-8821-F710644C7542@peromarta.org> B&W are your friends. They read this list so probably will conatct you off list. http://www.bowersandwilkins.co.uk/nakamichi%20home.html Best rgds, LP. El 29/04/2011, a las 05:31, Guy Facey escribió: > I live in Hong Kong but travel each year to England. Nobody seems to know anyone in HK but does anyone know a Nak technician in England? > thanks > Guy From george.valkov at gmail.com Fri Apr 29 14:07:24 2011 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 15:07:24 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Repair service in UK Message-ID: http://www.bowersandwilkins.co.uk/nakamichi%20home.html On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 6:31 AM, Guy Facey wrote: > I live in Hong Kong but travel each year to England. Nobody seems to know > anyone in HK but does anyone know a Nak technician in England? > thanks > Guy > > On 27 April 2011 06:43, jesse ruff wrote: > >> Hello, >> I live in Chicago and would recommend a couple places. Let me >> rephrase--recommend might be a little strong! l I know they can fix it! >> 20th Century will definitely fix your Nak--Mitch has been there for like 40 >> plus years, and his shop is awesome--tons of cool vintage electronics, and >> he's actually the one to put me on to Nakamichi--he's a bit crabby to say >> the least though. Deltronics is also reliable, but expect to shell out some >> cash. I've heard of other spots, but haven't taken stuff to them; maybe >> Decibel on Milwaukee, but maybe not--their tech may not have the >> experience/parts. >> Jesse >> >> --- On *Tue, 4/26/11, Willy Hermann *wrote: >> >> >> From: Willy Hermann >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Repair service in Chicago? >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 11:41 AM >> >> Sorry Ron - I don't know of anyone in your area. >> >> Willy >> >> On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 4:01 PM, daddyo >> > wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I have a Nakamichi CR-1A cassette deck that all of a sudden won't play. >> Anyone know of a repair service in the Chicago area? >> >> >> Thanks >> >> Ron >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.commailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.commailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- "Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 29 15:28:12 2011 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 06:28:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] dragon repairs in Ontario, Canada? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <942372.9284.qm@web112711.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> HI Sean, In Nak repairs, the old addage"you get what you pay for " holds supreme. I speak with a lot of experience. There are two service places that have been consistent for me which are: Willy Hermann Services in California and ESL in Connecticut. Your Dragons will cost much much more to fix than the $60-70 you spend on shipping each way, but will be well worth it in the end if sent to the places above. It is a complex machine. May be you should send one at a time and take a breather prior  to sending the second one out. ESL can be reached at www.nakamichi.us and WIlly at willyhermannservices.com Good luck. Ram. --- On Thu, 4/28/11, Sean Reid wrote: From: Sean Reid Subject: [naktalk] dragon repairs in Ontario, Canada? To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, April 28, 2011, 7:51 PM Hi there, I'm new to the list, so forgive me if this question has been answered before.  I have 2 Dragons that are in need of repairs, and there is no place locally that can do the job.  I see a lot of places in the US that can repair Dragons, but I fear the cost of shipping would be more than the repairs would be.  Does anyone know of shops in Canada, (preferably Ontario, or at least close by) that are equipped to do the work?  Any and all help would be greatly appreciated. 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Ram. --- On Thu, 4/28/11, Bob Naylor wrote: From: Bob Naylor Subject: RE: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, April 28, 2011, 5:52 PM Ram, I thought I had some bad stuff from Flea-Bay but you win! Bob N --- On Wed, 4/27/11, Victor Gabrenas wrote: From: Victor Gabrenas Subject: RE: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Wednesday, April 27, 2011, 9:06 AM Ram, the photo looks like “new in the box”  VicFrom: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 7:32 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000   Well,  I am attaching a photo of a deck(BX300) I received yesterday from a seller on ebay, who claimed the deck worked fine when he sold it. I could not even bring myself to insert a cassette tape  in this deck's well.  Once powered up, the transformer overheated and the deck just went blip....off! The capstans did rotate though until all went quiet.( about three minutes n all)  Ebay is refunding the money( its back to the seller already) and the seller will get a nice negative for sure.  I hope the seller is not a naktalk member! :)  Ram.     --- On Tue, 4/26/11, hhtltd at juno.com wrote: From: hhtltd at juno.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 10:45 AMChristine:     You should give the seller a negative rating and file complaint with EBAY. The Beogram 9000 like most (not all) othertape units WILL NOTG operate with no belts. Misrepresenting the operational integrity of any equipment is consideredin many cases as fraudulent sale. In short, it couldn't have worked no matter what he said.      Get belts from Vintage electronics or Marr communications. Good Luck! NCM On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:55:14 +0100 Christian Thomas writes:I recently aquired a Beo 9000 which they say competes soundwise with Nak decks.  I'd like to find out if this is true (and will happily share tyhe results when I do) but at the moment it has no belts.  (That's how it came, though the seller on eBay swore it was working when it left his hands!).  I was wondering if anyone knows where I might find some? Thanks in advance Christian  ____________________________________________________________ Groupon.com Official Site 1 huge daily deal on the best stuff to do in your city. Try it today! 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URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 29 15:33:17 2011 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 06:33:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 In-Reply-To: <924013.77154.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48084.47203.qm@web112715.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Ite number is 260767028432 Seller is  devdude and he has a 100% rating!...which will drop when the money is refunded by ebay on receipt of deck back. Ram. --- On Thu, 4/28/11, Bob Naylor wrote: From: Bob Naylor Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, April 28, 2011, 5:26 PM Ram, Amazing!  Do you have an E-Bay # for that item? Bob N --- On Tue, 4/26/11, shanti ramachandran wrote: From: shanti ramachandran Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 6:32 PM Well, I am attaching a photo of a deck(BX300) I received yesterday from a seller on ebay, who claimed the deck worked fine when he sold it. I could not even bring myself to insert a cassette tape  in this deck's well. Once powered up, the transformer overheated and the deck just went blip....off! The capstans did rotate though until all went quiet.( about three minutes n all) Ebay is refunding the money( its back to the seller already) and the seller will get a nice negative for sure. I hope the seller is not a naktalk member! :) Ram. --- On Tue, 4/26/11, hhtltd at juno.com wrote: From: hhtltd at juno.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 10:45 AM Christine:       You should give the seller a negative rating and file complaint with EBAY. The Beogram 9000 like most (not all) other tape units WILL NOTG operate with no belts. Misrepresenting the operational integrity of any equipment is considered in many cases as fraudulent sale. In short, it couldn't have worked no matter what he said.       Get belts from Vintage electronics or Marr communications.   Good Luck!   NCM   On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:55:14 +0100 Christian Thomas writes: I recently aquired a Beo 9000 which they say competes soundwise with Nak decks.  I'd like to find out if this is true (and will happily share tyhe results when I do) but at the moment it has no belts.  (That's how it came, though the seller on eBay swore it was working when it left his hands!).  I was wondering if anyone knows where I might find some?   Thanks in advance   Christian   ____________________________________________________________ Groupon.com Official Site 1 huge daily deal on the best stuff to do in your city. Try it today! 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URL: From jmlevitz at yahoo.com Fri Apr 29 13:22:32 2011 From: jmlevitz at yahoo.com (jayson levitz) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 04:22:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Repair service in Chicago? In-Reply-To: References: <11055.78940.qm@web83714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <433832.83469.qm@web161906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hi Guy. B&W (Bowers & Wilkins), the company known for its great speakers, believe it or not, also repairs Naks.  They are in England. Jayson  ________________________________ From: Guy Facey To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thu, April 28, 2011 11:31:42 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Repair service in Chicago? I live in Hong Kong but travel each year to England. Nobody seems to know anyone in HK but does anyone know a Nak technician in England? thanks Guy On 27 April 2011 06:43, jesse ruff wrote: Hello, >I live in Chicago and would recommend a couple places.  Let me >rephrase--recommend might be a little strong!  l I know they can fix it!  20th >Century will definitely fix your Nak--Mitch has been there for like 40 plus >years, and his shop is awesome--tons of cool vintage electronics, and he's >actually the one to put me on to Nakamichi--he's a bit crabby to say the least >though.  Deltronics is also reliable, but expect to shell out some cash.  I've >heard of other spots, but haven't taken stuff to them; maybe Decibel on >Milwaukee, but maybe not--their tech may not have the experience/parts.  > >Jesse  > >--- On Tue, 4/26/11, Willy Hermann wrote: > > >>From: Willy Hermann >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Repair service in Chicago? >>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 11:41 AM >> >> >>Sorry Ron - I don't know of anyone in your area. >> >> >>Willy >> >> >>On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 4:01 PM, daddyo wrote: >> >>Hi, >>> >>>I have a Nakamichi CR-1A cassette deck that all of a sudden won't play. 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Let me >rephrase--recommend might be a little strong! l I know they can fix >it! 20th Century will definitely fix your Nak--Mitch has been there >for like 40 plus years, and his shop is awesome--tons of cool >vintage electronics, and he's actually the one to put me on to >Nakamichi--he's a bit crabby to say the least though. Deltronics is >also reliable, but expect to shell out some cash. I've heard of >other spots, but haven't taken stuff to them; maybe Decibel on >Milwaukee, but maybe not--their tech may not have the experience/parts. >Jesse > >--- On Tue, 4/26/11, Willy Hermann ><willy at willyhermannservices.com> wrote: > >From: Willy Hermann ><willy at willyhermannservices.com> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Repair service in Chicago? >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" ><naktalk at naks.com> >Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 11:41 AM > >Sorry Ron - I don't know of anyone in your area. > >Willy > >On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 4:01 PM, daddyo ><daddyo at metrowebstudios.com> >wrote: >Hi, > >I have a Nakamichi CR-1A cassette deck that all of a sudden won't >play. Anyone know of a repair service in the Chicago area? > > >Thanks > >Ron >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! > http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >-----Inline Attachment Follows----- > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! > http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! > http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland When momentum meets resistance, push harder. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Let me rephrase--recommend might be a little strong! l I know they can fix it! 20th Century will definitely fix your Nak--Mitch has been there for like 40 plus years, and his shop is awesome--tons of cool vintage electronics, and he's actually the one to put me on to Nakamichi--he's a bit crabby to say the least though. Deltronics is also reliable, but expect to shell out some cash. I've heard of other spots, but haven't taken stuff to them; maybe Decibel on Milwaukee, but maybe not--their tech may not have the experience/parts. Jesse --- On Tue, 4/26/11, Willy Hermann wrote: From: Willy Hermann Subject: Re: [naktalk] Repair service in Chicago? To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 11:41 AM Sorry Ron - I don't know of anyone in your area. Willy On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 4:01 PM, daddyo wrote: Hi, I have a Nakamichi CR-1A cassette deck that all of a sudden won't play. Anyone know of a repair service in the Chicago area? 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A large group of professionals built the Titanic." ____________________________________________________________ Groupon.com Official Site 1 huge daily deal on the best stuff to do in your city. Try it today! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4dbabf731f2d7a5a1m06duc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark8559 at hotmail.com Fri Apr 29 19:54:02 2011 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 11:54:02 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 In-Reply-To: <48084.47203.qm@web112715.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <924013.77154.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, <48084.47203.qm@web112715.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: For crying out loud! That seller is in my neck of the woods. He had it listed on Craigslist for one day at $150 (I didn't respond) and then took the ad off. After he placed it on Ebay I asked him if local pick up was o.k. (I didn't bid on the item). Something gives me a feeling he may be the dude who moves items out of people's homes, therefore some items are given to him. Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 06:33:17 -0700 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 To: naktalk at naks.com Ite number is 260767028432 Seller is devdude and he has a 100% rating!...which will drop when the money is refunded by ebay on receipt of deck back. Ram. --- On Thu, 4/28/11, Bob Naylor wrote: From: Bob Naylor Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, April 28, 2011, 5:26 PM Ram, Amazing! Do you have an E-Bay # for that item? Bob N --- On Tue, 4/26/11, shanti ramachandran wrote: From: shanti ramachandran Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 6:32 PM Well, I am attaching a photo of a deck(BX300) I received yesterday from a seller on ebay, who claimed the deck worked fine when he sold it. I could not even bring myself to insert a cassette tape in this deck's well. Once powered up, the transformer overheated and the deck just went blip....off! The capstans did rotate though until all went quiet.( about three minutes n all) Ebay is refunding the money( its back to the seller already) and the seller will get a nice negative for sure. I hope the seller is not a naktalk member! :) Ram. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Fri Apr 29 16:36:47 2011 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 07:36:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk]RE:Beocord 9000 In-Reply-To: <201104291139.p3TBUHRI004375@zxe.naks.com> References: <201104291139.p3TBUHRI004375@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <299981.9829.qm@web120712.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Ram, This is a very good point. I learned a number of yrs ago PayPal is our only lifeline, unless on the off chance you are dealing with a honest and attentive seller. Especially when ebay bought PayPal and dropped the war games going on between sellers & buyers. I believe ALL sellers are now required to offer PayPal as a purchasing tool...they can offer other purchasing options as well, but they have to offer PayPal. And they can't ask for more money either because of the use of PayPal....at least not in their ad. But yeah, read the listings very well and ask as many questions as you want. If they act put-out to answer, move on. I've had some old school sellers stonewall me with bad/misrepresented merchandise and lousy communication ....figuring it was like the old days on ebay and they would win out against my complaints. PayPal made short shrift of that. The moral of the story in most instances is the seller's perception (and knowledge) of 'condition'. I honestly believe that many of them see a rose, when it's really a thorn and that they don't necessarily set out to deceive. Or...they got taken and set out to do the same. It's kinda hard to swear a deck worked when it has no belt! Kevin ________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 06:28:58 -0700 (PDT) From: shanti ramachandran Subject: RE: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <464449.11449.qm at web112708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" On the other hand despite my BX 300 disaster, I have bought at least 50 plus decks( mostly Naks) out of which I can recall only 15 or so being utterly bad. That gives ebay seller's a 70% positive in my books. However, I am not as concerned because I only use paypal and I have not lost a penny in any of my transactions. One gets to learn personalities when one gets stuck with the kind of deck I recently got stuck with. Moral of the story. Read the listings well. Ask questions. Never pay with acheck or money transfer. Use paypal. Thats it. You are covered. Lets go shopping. This disease is never ending! 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Bob N --- On Tue, 4/26/11, Tim and Pam Sepper wrote: From: Tim and Pam Sepper Subject: [naktalk] Tapes you use to record To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 6:43 PM I just bought some TDK SM Pro Premium High bias tape from J&R for $4 each.  Looks like pretty good specs, I think.  Anyone have experience with these?  Comparable to TDK SA?  Tim    Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 19:51:15 -0600From: Mark Exstedt Subject: FW: [naktalk] Tapes you use to recordTo: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"    You can't go wrong with TDK SA or Maxell XLII.They are available on Ebay and some listings have reasonable prices.It's also a good idea to buy used TDK SA and Maxell XLII and then erase them with a bulk eraser before doing your recordings.I also use Denon HD-8, HD-7, and HD-6 cassettes to record my treasured LP collection.I've been recording cassettes since the 70's and my preference hasen't changed much. I use the TDK-SA on acoustic guitar and the Maxell XLII on heavy metal. > From: hockeyeast at yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 19:50:59 -0400> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: [naktalk] Tapes you use to record> > > Maybe this has been covered before, so if it has I apologize. What tapes do you use to record with. Your favorites? Thanks...rich     -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From angel9esoteric at gmail.com Fri Apr 29 20:41:46 2011 From: angel9esoteric at gmail.com (MD) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 14:41:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 In-Reply-To: References: <924013.77154.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48084.47203.qm@web112715.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I just looked at that ebay listing for Nak BX-300 deck.The pix he posted is pretty small but cosmetically it looks to be in good condition.From description: "Good condition except it may need a standard drive overhaul, occasionally it will not play or rewind...He probably just re-sells stuff on ebay and not an expert in vintage electronics.The seller should offer some kind of money-back guarantee or sell it strictly as-is for parts or non-working. Regards,M On 4/29/11, Mark Exstedt wrote: > > For crying out loud! That seller is in my neck of the woods. > He had it listed on Craigslist for one day at $150 (I didn't respond) and > then took the ad off. > After he placed it on Ebay I asked him if local pick up was o.k. (I didn't > bid on the item). > Something gives me a feeling he may be the dude who moves items out of > people's homes, > therefore some items are given to him. > > > > Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 06:33:17 -0700 > From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > Ite number is 260767028432 > > Seller is devdude and he has a 100% rating!...which will drop when the > money is refunded by ebay on receipt of deck back. > > Ram. > > > > --- On Thu, 4/28/11, Bob Naylor wrote: > > > From: Bob Naylor > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Thursday, April 28, 2011, 5:26 PM > > > > > > > Ram, Amazing! Do you have an E-Bay # for that item? > > Bob N > > --- On Tue, 4/26/11, shanti ramachandran wrote: > > > From: shanti ramachandran > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 6:32 PM > > > > > > > > Well, > > > I am attaching a photo of a deck(BX300) I received yesterday from a seller > on ebay, who claimed the deck worked fine when he sold it. I could not even > bring myself to insert a cassette tape in this deck's well. > > > Once powered up, the transformer overheated and the deck just went > blip....off! The capstans did rotate though until all went quiet.( about > three minutes n all) > > > Ebay is refunding the money( its back to the seller already) and the seller > will get a nice negative for sure. > > > I hope the seller is not a naktalk member! :) > > > Ram. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Fri Apr 29 22:39:31 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 10:39:31 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 In-Reply-To: References: <924013.77154.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com><48084.47203.qm@web112715.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Except that the description sounds like he had at least tried to play a tape... The cobwebs (or spiderwebs) and dust appear to have been UNdisturbed for quite some time, so it is very hard to believe that he even plopped a single tape in the machine prior to listing it. You don't need to be an expert in vintage electronics to insert a tape and press PLAY or REWIND. Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of MD Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 8:42 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 I just looked at that ebay listing for Nak BX-300 deck.The pix he posted is pretty small but cosmetically it looks to be in good condition.From description: "Good condition except it may need a standard drive overhaul, occasionally it will not play or rewind...He probably just re-sells stuff on ebay and not an expert in vintage electronics.The seller should offer some kind of money-back guarantee or sell it strictly as-is for parts or non-working. Regards,M On 4/29/11, Mark Exstedt wrote: > > For crying out loud! That seller is in my neck of the woods. > He had it listed on Craigslist for one day at $150 (I didn't respond) > and then took the ad off. > After he placed it on Ebay I asked him if local pick up was o.k. (I > didn't bid on the item). > Something gives me a feeling he may be the dude who moves items out of > people's homes, therefore some items are given to him. > From dgb100 at psu.edu Fri Apr 29 20:58:54 2011 From: dgb100 at psu.edu (Beckner, Derrick) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 14:58:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk]RE:Beocord 9000 In-Reply-To: <299981.9829.qm@web120712.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <201104291139.p3TBUHRI004375@zxe.naks.com> <299981.9829.qm@web120712.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I browse through Audiogon periodically and am shocked by the number of sellers who require an extra 4% for Pay Pal. First off, if it is that important just add 4% to the sale price, second, except for huge sales, it's worth the 4% to not have to deal with taking a check down to the bank and hoping it doesn't bounce. I'm also amused by "non-smoking environment" when selling electronics. Seriously, wood and metal aren't going to be absorbing smoke smells. Much rather would see "Actually tested device and found it works". From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Fetner Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 10:37 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk]RE:Beocord 9000 Ram, This is a very good point. I learned a number of yrs ago PayPal is our only lifeline, unless on the off chance you are dealing with a honest and attentive seller. Especially when ebay bought PayPal and dropped the war games going on between sellers & buyers. I believe ALL sellers are now required to offer PayPal as a purchasing tool...they can offer other purchasing options as well, but they have to offer PayPal. And they can't ask for more money either because of the use of PayPal....at least not in their ad. But yeah, read the listings very well and ask as many questions as you want. If they act put-out to answer, move on. I've had some old school sellers stonewall me with bad/misrepresented merchandise and lousy communication ....figuring it was like the old days on ebay and they would win out against my complaints. PayPal made short shrift of that. The moral of the story in most instances is the seller's perception (and knowledge) of 'condition'. I honestly believe that many of them see a rose, when it's really a thorn and that they don't necessarily set out to deceive. Or...they got taken and set out to do the same. It's kinda hard to swear a deck worked when it has no belt! Kevin ________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 06:28:58 -0700 (PDT) From: shanti ramachandran > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <464449.11449.qm at web112708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" On the other hand despite my BX 300 disaster, I have bought at least 50 plus decks( mostly Naks) out of which I can recall only 15 or so being utterly bad. That gives ebay seller's a 70% positive in my books. However, I am not as concerned because I only use paypal and I have not lost a penny in any of my transactions. One gets to learn personalities when one gets stuck with the kind of deck I recently got stuck with. Moral of the story. Read the listings well. Ask questions. Never pay with acheck or money transfer. Use paypal. Thats it. You are covered. Lets go shopping. This disease is never ending! Ram. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bob N --- On Tue, 4/26/11, shanti ramachandran wrote: From: shanti ramachandran Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 6:32 PM Well, I am attaching a photo of a deck(BX300) I received yesterday from a seller on ebay, who claimed the deck worked fine when he sold it. I could not even bring myself to insert a cassette tape  in this deck's well. Once powered up, the transformer overheated and the deck just went blip....off! The capstans did rotate though until all went quiet.( about three minutes n all) Ebay is refunding the money( its back to the seller already) and the seller will get a nice negative for sure. I hope the seller is not a naktalk member! :) Ram. --- On Tue, 4/26/11, hhtltd at juno.com wrote: From: hhtltd at juno.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 10:45 AM Christine:       You should give the seller a negative rating and file complaint with EBAY. The Beogram 9000 like most (not all) other tape units WILL NOTG operate with no belts. Misrepresenting the operational integrity of any equipment is considered in many cases as fraudulent sale. In short, it couldn't have worked no matter what he said.       Get belts from Vintage electronics or Marr communications.   Good Luck!   NCM   On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:55:14 +0100 Christian Thomas writes: I recently aquired a Beo 9000 which they say competes soundwise with Nak decks.  I'd like to find out if this is true (and will happily share tyhe results when I do) but at the moment it has no belts.  (That's how it came, though the seller on eBay swore it was working when it left his hands!).  I was wondering if anyone knows where I might find some?   Thanks in advance   Christian   ____________________________________________________________ Groupon.com Official Site 1 huge daily deal on the best stuff to do in your city. Try it today! 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First off, if it is that > important just add 4% to the sale price, second, except for huge sales, it’s > worth the 4% to not have to deal with taking a check down to the bank and > hoping it doesn’t bounce. I’m also amused by “non-smoking environment” > when selling electronics. Seriously, wood and metal aren’t going to be > absorbing smoke smells. Much rather would see “Actually tested device and > found it works”. > > > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *Kevin Fetner > *Sent:* Friday, April 29, 2011 10:37 AM > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Subject:* [naktalk]RE:Beocord 9000 > > > > Ram, > This is a very good point. I learned a number of yrs ago PayPal is our only > lifeline, unless on the off chance you are dealing with a honest and > attentive seller. Especially when ebay bought PayPal and dropped the war > games going on between sellers & buyers. I believe ALL sellers are now > required to offer PayPal as a purchasing tool...they can offer other > purchasing options as well, but they have to offer PayPal. And they can't > ask for more money either because of the use of PayPal....at least not in > their ad. > > But yeah, read the listings very well and ask as many questions as you > want. If they act put-out to answer, move on. I've had some old school > sellers stonewall me with bad/misrepresented merchandise and lousy > communication ....figuring it was like the old days on ebay and they would > win out against my complaints. PayPal made short shrift of that. The moral > of the story in most instances is the seller's perception (and knowledge) of > 'condition'. I honestly believe that many of them see a rose, when it's > really a thorn and that they don't necessarily set out to deceive. Or...they > got taken and set out to do the same. It's kinda hard to swear a deck worked > when it has no belt! > > Kevin > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 06:28:58 -0700 (PDT) > From: shanti ramachandran > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <464449.11449.qm at web112708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > On the other hand despite my BX 300 disaster, I have bought at least 50 > plus decks( mostly Naks) out of which I can recall only 15 or so being > utterly bad. > > That gives ebay seller's a 70% positive in my books. However, I am not as > concerned because I only use paypal and I have not lost a penny in any of my > transactions. One gets to learn personalities when one gets stuck with the > kind of deck I recently got stuck with. > > Moral of the story. Read the listings well. Ask questions. Never pay with > acheck or money transfer. Use paypal. Thats it. You are covered. > > Lets go shopping. This disease is never ending! > > Ram. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 30 02:05:51 2011 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (Ram) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 20:05:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 In-Reply-To: <256522.46739.qm@web113206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <924013.77154.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48084.47203.qm@web112715.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <256522.46739.qm@web113206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9A498AFC-0169-4D68-8679-D60CE65DCB4F@yahoo.com> Hi Rick, Please chill. No one here is complaining or crying! I am getting my money back and the other members here are just horrified by what I showed in a photo I received. If that seller had a little honesty he would not have sent the deck with all the cobwebs and dog hair and what not in the well.....and not claimed that it plays but at times rew and play stop. This deck was never played on in am eon. No cassette could have played in it....they way I got it. That's why I like eBay. Buyers are almost always right. Rick, if you are going to justify the seller, I do not know what to say here! Ram. On Apr 29, 2011, at 5:36 PM, "Rick >'}" wrote: > I dont understand what all the fuss is about - the seller didnt offer a warranty... you, compared to other units on eBay, "stole" the unit and now you are unhappy - I mean, c'mon -- you are buying electronics from a seller you dont know and .... buyer beware! - get over yourself - and guess what, electronics do fail - all the time - you dont know if they knew all the problems or not - stop crying. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sat Apr 30 02:06:27 2011 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 02:06:27 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Donation: 480 and CDP-2A Message-ID: <3442f146f50bcd8d6278a579878f6464.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> The 480 doesn't record and the CDP-2A doesn't open the tray. Owner lives in Northern New Jersey.. Anyone interested? Wouter From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Sat Apr 30 02:55:08 2011 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 18:55:08 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 In-Reply-To: <256522.46739.qm@web113206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <924013.77154.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48084.47203.qm@web112715.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <256522.46739.qm@web113206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9174E4FB-8326-48E9-A246-0DA022B12E59@math.utah.edu> Seller has been identified? Vic On Apr 29, 2011, at 3:36 PM, "Rick >'}" wrote: > I dont understand what all the fuss is about - the seller didnt offer a warranty... you, compared to other units on eBay, "stole" the unit and now you are unhappy - I mean, c'mon -- you are buying electronics from a seller you dont know and .... buyer beware! - get over yourself - and guess what, electronics do fail - all the time - you dont know if they knew all the problems or not - stop crying. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 30 04:16:31 2011 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (Ram) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 22:16:31 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Donation: 480 and CDP-2A In-Reply-To: <3442f146f50bcd8d6278a579878f6464.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> References: <3442f146f50bcd8d6278a579878f6464.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <89CD2F17-AA97-42B3-AFB6-305977EC7692@yahoo.com> I can pick them up Wouter. They'll get a good homeA, Ram On Apr 29, 2011, at 8:06 PM, "Wouter Heijke" wrote: > > The 480 doesn't record and the CDP-2A doesn't open the tray. > Owner lives in Northern New Jersey.. > > Anyone interested? > > Wouter > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From columbiafl2000 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 30 01:35:20 2011 From: columbiafl2000 at yahoo.com (Rick >'}) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 16:35:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 In-Reply-To: <519879.70445.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <519879.70445.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <640727.1334.qm@web113203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Clearly states no returns - buyer beware - sounds to me like sour grapes From: Bob Naylor To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Fri, April 29, 2011 5:15:27 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 WOW what a description!  Make you wonder how he got 100+ positive feedbacks????? Bob N --- On Fri, 4/29/11, shanti ramachandran wrote: >From: shanti ramachandran >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Date: Friday, April 29, 2011, 6:33 AM > > >Ite number is 260767028432 > >Seller is  devdude and he has a 100% rating!...which will drop when the money is >refunded by ebay on receipt of deck back. > >Ram. > > > >--- On Thu, 4/28/11, Bob Naylor wrote: > > >>From: Bob Naylor >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 >>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>Date: Thursday, April 28, 2011, 5:26 PM >> >> >>Ram, Amazing!  Do you have an E-Bay # for that item? >> >>Bob N >> >>--- On Tue, 4/26/11, shanti ramachandran wrote: >> >> >>>From: shanti ramachandran >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 >>>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>>Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 6:32 PM >>> >>> >>> >>>Well, >>> >>> >>>I am attaching a photo of a deck(BX300) I received yesterday from a seller on >>>ebay, who claimed the deck worked fine when he sold it. I could not even bring >>>myself to insert a cassette tape  in this deck's well. >>> >>> >>>Once powered up, the transformer overheated and the deck just went blip....off! >>>The capstans did rotate though until all went quiet.( about three minutes n all) >>> >>> >>>Ebay is refunding the money( its back to the seller already) and the seller will >>>get a nice negative for sure. >>> >>> >>>I hope the seller is not a naktalk member! :) >>> >>> >>>Ram. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>--- On Tue, 4/26/11, hhtltd at juno.com wrote: >>> >>> >>>>From: hhtltd at juno.com >>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 >>>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 10:45 AM >>>> >>>> >>>>Christine: >>>> >>>>    You should give the seller a negative rating and file complaint with EBAY. >>>>The Beogram 9000 like most (not all) other >>>>tape units WILL NOTG operate with no belts. Misrepresenting the operational >>>>integrity of any equipment is considered >>>>in many cases as fraudulent sale. In short, it couldn't have worked no matter >>>>what he said. >>>> >>>> >>>>    Get belts from Vintage electronics or Marr communications. >>>> >>>>Good Luck! >>>> >>>>NCM >>>> >>>>On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:55:14 +0100 Christian Thomas >>>>writes: >>>>I recently aquired a Beo 9000 which they say competes soundwise with Nak decks.  >>>>I'd like to find out if this is true (and will happily share tyhe results when I >>>>do) but at the moment it has no belts.  (That's how it came, though the seller >>>>on eBay swore it was working when it left his hands!).  I was wondering if >>>>anyone knows where I might find some? >>>>> >>>>>Thanks in advance >>>>> >>>>>Christian >>>>> >>> >>>____________________________________________________________ >>>Groupon.com Official Site >>>1 huge daily deal on the best stuff to do in your city. 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URL: From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 30 02:12:34 2011 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 17:12:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk]RE:Beocord 9000 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <494158.54653.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Derrick, I know several people that swear that electronic equipment smells like smoke when it comes from a smoking environment.  I smoke cigars so I never notice but these same people also swear that if effects certain electronics.  I'm not so sure myself. Bob N --- On Fri, 4/29/11, Beckner, Derrick wrote: From: Beckner, Derrick Subject: RE: [naktalk]RE:Beocord 9000 To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Friday, April 29, 2011, 11:58 AM I browse through Audiogon periodically and am shocked by the number of sellers who require an extra 4% for Pay Pal.  First off, if it is that important just add 4% to the sale price, second, except for huge sales, it’s worth the 4% to not have to deal with taking a check down to the bank and hoping it doesn’t bounce.  I’m also amused by “non-smoking environment” when selling electronics.  Seriously, wood and metal aren’t going to be absorbing smoke smells.  Much rather would see “Actually tested device and found it works”.  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Fetner Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 10:37 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk]RE:Beocord 9000  Ram, This is a very good point. I learned a number of yrs ago PayPal is our only lifeline, unless on the off chance you are dealing with a honest and attentive seller. Especially when ebay bought PayPal and dropped the war games going on between sellers & buyers. I believe ALL sellers are now required to offer PayPal as a purchasing tool...they can offer other purchasing options as well, but they have to offer PayPal. And they can't ask for more money either because of the use of PayPal....at least not in their ad. But yeah, read the listings very well and ask as many questions as you want. If they act put-out to answer, move on. I've had some old school sellers stonewall me with bad/misrepresented merchandise and lousy communication ....figuring it was like the old days on ebay and they would win out against my complaints. PayPal made short shrift of that.  The moral of the story in most instances is the seller's perception (and knowledge) of 'condition'. I honestly believe that many of them see a rose, when it's really a thorn and that they don't necessarily set out to deceive. Or...they got taken and set out to do the same. It's kinda hard to swear a deck worked when it has no belt! Kevin  Message: 2 Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 06:28:58 -0700 (PDT) From: shanti ramachandran Subject: RE: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <464449.11449.qm at web112708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" On the other hand despite my BX 300 disaster, I have bought at least 50 plus decks( mostly Naks) out of which I can recall only 15 or so being utterly bad. That gives ebay seller's a 70% positive in my books. However, I am not as concerned because I only use paypal and I have not lost a penny in any of my transactions. One gets to learn personalities when one gets stuck with the kind of deck I recently got stuck with. Moral of the story. Read the listings well. Ask questions. Never pay with acheck or money transfer. Use paypal. Thats it. You are covered. Lets go shopping. This disease is never ending! Ram. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rhils at hotmail.com Sat Apr 30 02:27:26 2011 From: rhils at hotmail.com (Rick Hils) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 17:27:26 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Buying on Ebay In-Reply-To: <256522.46739.qm@web113206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <924013.77154.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, <48084.47203.qm@web112715.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, , , <256522.46739.qm@web113206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I agree. And you must communicate with the seller by asking the right questions. Only then can you feel confident about spending your money. For what it's worth, I just received a Nak 480 today from an Ebay seller "Dacscommm". It records and plays great. The cosmetics are 9.5/10. And inside it looks like brand new. The belts are not shiny and don't look dried out. But I'm getting a Marrs belt kit to have on hand. I wasn't surprised at all to see that the door eject cable plastic mount was securely glued where it previously gave way. That's typical for those units. The head assembly cam fully rotates with ease. It's a given that to some degree the grease has dried out a bit, but it seems OK. I'll look at it closer with a magnifier. I still have my other 480 since 1981. I like them. I also used a Sony tcd5m for mucho live recordings (w/Denon HD8 tape) and talk about sounding "live". Yes sir. Maybe someday I'll have a BX300 or 680ZX or a CR5 or 7, but having two well running 480s is fine for now. R I Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 14:36:02 -0700 From: columbiafl2000 at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 To: naktalk at naks.com I dont understand what all the fuss is about - the seller didnt offer a warranty... you, compared to other units on eBay, "stole" the unit and now you are unhappy - I mean, c'mon -- you are buying electronics from a seller you dont know and .... buyer beware! - get over yourself - and guess what, electronics do fail - all the time - you dont know if they knew all the problems or not - stop crying. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rhils at hotmail.com Sat Apr 30 02:39:23 2011 From: rhils at hotmail.com (Rick Hils) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 17:39:23 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Buying on Ebay In-Reply-To: References: <924013.77154.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, <48084.47203.qm@web112715.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, , , <256522.46739.qm@web113206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, , Message-ID: I agree. And you must communicate with the seller by asking the right questions. Only then can you feel confident about spending your money. For what it's worth, I just received a Nak 480 today from an Ebay seller "Dacscommm". It records and plays great. The cosmetics are 9.5/10. And inside it looks like brand new. The belts are not shiny and don't look dried out. But I'm getting a Marrs belt kit to have on hand. I wasn't surprised at all to see that the door eject cable plastic mount was securely glued where it previously gave way. That's typical for those units. The head assembly cam fully rotates with ease. It's a given that to some degree the grease has dried out a bit, but it seems OK. I'll look at it closer with a magnifier. I still have my other 480 since 1981. I like them. I also used a Sony tcd5m for mucho live recordings (w/Denon HD8 tape) and talk about sounding "live". Yes sir. Maybe someday I'll have a BX300 or 680ZX or a CR5 or 7, but having two well running 480s is fine for now. -R Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 14:36:02 -0700 From: columbiafl2000 at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 To: naktalk at naks.com I dont understand what all the fuss is about - the seller didnt offer a warranty... you, compared to other units on eBay, "stole" the unit and now you are unhappy - I mean, c'mon -- you are buying electronics from a seller you dont know and .... buyer beware! - get over yourself - and guess what, electronics do fail - all the time - you dont know if they knew all the problems or not - stop crying. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rhils at hotmail.com Sat Apr 30 02:45:21 2011 From: rhils at hotmail.com (Rick Hils) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 17:45:21 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 In-Reply-To: <256522.46739.qm@web113206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <924013.77154.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, <48084.47203.qm@web112715.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, , , <256522.46739.qm@web113206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I agree. And you must communicate with the seller by asking the right questions. Only then can you feel confident about spending your money. For what it's worth, I just received a Nak 480 today from an Ebay seller "Dacscommm". It records and plays great. The cosmetics are 9.5/10. And inside it looks like brand new. The belts are not shiny and don't look dried out. But I'm getting a Marrs belt kit to have on hand. I wasn't surprised at all to see that the door eject cable plastic mount was securely glued where it previously gave way. That's typical for those units. The head assembly cam fully rotates with ease. It's a given that to some degree the grease has dried out a bit, but it seems OK. I'll look at it closer with a magnifier. I still have my other 480 since 1981. I like them. I also used a Sony tcd5m for mucho live recordings (w/Denon HD8 tape) and talk about sounding "live". Yes sir. Maybe someday I'll have a BX300 or 680ZX or a CR5 or 7, but having two well running 480s is fine for now. R Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 14:36:02 -0700 From: columbiafl2000 at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 To: naktalk at naks.com I dont understand what all the fuss is about - the seller didnt offer a warranty... you, compared to other units on eBay, "stole" the unit and now you are unhappy - I mean, c'mon -- you are buying electronics from a seller you dont know and .... buyer beware! - get over yourself - and guess what, electronics do fail - all the time - you dont know if they knew all the problems or not - stop crying. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 30 03:01:21 2011 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 18:01:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk]RE:Beocord 9000 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <700582.52954.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Willy, I'm glad that I only smoke my cigars outside! Bob N --- On Fri, 4/29/11, Willy Hermann wrote: From: Willy Hermann Subject: Re: [naktalk]RE:Beocord 9000 To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Friday, April 29, 2011, 4:00 PM Actually - having worked on audio electronics for 40 years now I can testify that a smoking environment does terrible things to the inside of gear - especially electro-mechanical units like tape decks.  Also, the smell permeates everything inside and never goes away.  I wouldn't have a smokers unit in my system.  Every time it warms up you can smell it. Willy On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Beckner, Derrick wrote: I browse through Audiogon periodically and am shocked by the number of sellers who require an extra 4% for Pay Pal.  First off, if it is that important just add 4% to the sale price, second, except for huge sales, it’s worth the 4% to not have to deal with taking a check down to the bank and hoping it doesn’t bounce.  I’m also amused by “non-smoking environment” when selling electronics.  Seriously, wood and metal aren’t going to be absorbing smoke smells.  Much rather would see “Actually tested device and found it works”.  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Fetner Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 10:37 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk]RE:Beocord 9000  Ram, This is a very good point. I learned a number of yrs ago PayPal is our only lifeline, unless on the off chance you are dealing with a honest and attentive seller. Especially when ebay bought PayPal and dropped the war games going on between sellers & buyers. I believe ALL sellers are now required to offer PayPal as a purchasing tool...they can offer other purchasing options as well, but they have to offer PayPal. And they can't ask for more money either because of the use of PayPal....at least not in their ad. But yeah, read the listings very well and ask as many questions as you want. If they act put-out to answer, move on. I've had some old school sellers stonewall me with bad/misrepresented merchandise and lousy communication ....figuring it was like the old days on ebay and they would win out against my complaints. PayPal made short shrift of that.  The moral of the story in most instances is the seller's perception (and knowledge) of 'condition'. I honestly believe that many of them see a rose, when it's really a thorn and that they don't necessarily set out to deceive. Or...they got taken and set out to do the same. It's kinda hard to swear a deck worked when it has no belt! Kevin  Message: 2 Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 06:28:58 -0700 (PDT) From: shanti ramachandran Subject: RE: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <464449.11449.qm at web112708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" On the other hand despite my BX 300 disaster, I have bought at least 50 plus decks( mostly Naks) out of which I can recall only 15 or so being utterly bad. That gives ebay seller's a 70% positive in my books. However, I am not as concerned because I only use paypal and I have not lost a penny in any of my transactions. One gets to learn personalities when one gets stuck with the kind of deck I recently got stuck with. Moral of the story. Read the listings well. Ask questions. Never pay with acheck or money transfer. Use paypal. Thats it. You are covered. Lets go shopping. This disease is never ending! 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URL: From columbiafl2000 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 30 03:26:28 2011 From: columbiafl2000 at yahoo.com (Rick >'}) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 18:26:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 In-Reply-To: <9A498AFC-0169-4D68-8679-D60CE65DCB4F@yahoo.com> References: <924013.77154.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48084.47203.qm@web112715.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <256522.46739.qm@web113206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <9A498AFC-0169-4D68-8679-D60CE65DCB4F@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <378799.53005.qm@web113212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> You're receiving a refund from eBay yet you are broadcasting your dissatisfaction on the message board - sounds like crying to me - and buyers are always right on eBay? - I think not - been active on eBay for 15+ years (active buyer and seller - small items to very high dollar) - buyers are not always right - they can be deceptive also ...  ___________________________________________________________________ If you want to improve, be content to be thought foolish and stupid Epictetus --------- Bad politicians are sent to Washington by good people who don't vote William E. Simon ________________________________ From: Ram To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Fri, April 29, 2011 8:05:51 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 Hi Rick, Please chill. No one here is complaining or crying!  I am getting my money back and the other members here are just horrified by what I showed in a photo I received. If that seller had a little honesty he would not have sent the deck with all the cobwebs and dog hair and what not in the well.....and not claimed that it plays but at times rew and play stop. This deck was never played on in am eon. No cassette could have played in it....they way I got it. That's why I like eBay. Buyers are almost always right.  Rick, if you are going to justify the seller, I do not  know what to say here! Ram. On Apr 29, 2011, at 5:36 PM, "Rick >'}" wrote: I dont understand what all the fuss is about - the seller didnt offer a warranty... you, compared to other units on eBay, "stole" the unit and now you are unhappy - I mean, c'mon -- you are buying electronics from a seller you dont know and .... buyer beware! - get over yourself - and guess what, electronics do fail - all the time - you dont know if they knew all the problems or not - stop crying. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rpierce000 at centurytel.net Sat Apr 30 03:46:17 2011 From: rpierce000 at centurytel.net (Bob Pierce) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 18:46:17 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 In-Reply-To: <9A498AFC-0169-4D68-8679-D60CE65DCB4F@yahoo.com> References: <924013.77154.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48084.47203.qm@web112715.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <256522.46739.qm@web113206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <9A498AFC-0169-4D68-8679-D60CE65DCB4F@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <04fd01cc06d8$66ff1f00$34fd5d00$@net> Just so everyone knows, from an eBay sellers perspective, that IF you have a complaint you can demand a FULL refund AND the shipping to you FULLY refunded and eBAY will MAKE the seller do it. ALWAYS use PayPal. Regardless of the return policy, if the seller takes PayPal, they take returns. PayPal enforces it. If you have a product that has actually been MISREPRESENTED, as appears to have happened below, you can also demand the cost to ship the item back to the seller. You will usually get it. I have also seen requests granted for hazardous disposal fees if the seller does not want it back. These are eBay enforced rules for sellers. No seller can last on eBay if they break them, eBay will kick them out. eBay will also take YOUR money out of their PayPal account to pay you and even out of their bank account. Sellers learn FAST not to mess with eBay, they always lose, eBay backs buyers 99% of the time. Having said this, you still have to be careful. If you miss something in the listing it is on your own head at that point, although changing your mind is still considered a reasonable return reason to eBay. You will get your item cost and shipping to you refunded. The one thing you may lose are any restocking fees, if eBay feels they are reasonable. Do not, EVER, try to fix the item. This is instant grounds for refusal of the claim. If it is not what you want, ship it back! If you clean it, tension something, adjust a pot, whatever, you own it. Sellers will deny all of the above. If they do, tell them they have one more chance to do as you wish and then you will file a formal dispute. This will get them to move, too many disputes and …. I hope this helps someone, somewhere down the line. And if you ever need N scale model trains http://stores.ebay.com/bt-trains (OK, it is commercial but I figured in this case it establishes my credentials) From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ram Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 5:06 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 Hi Rick, Please chill. No one here is complaining or crying! I am getting my money back and the other members here are just horrified by what I showed in a photo I received. If that seller had a little honesty he would not have sent the deck with all the cobwebs and dog hair and what not in the well.....and not claimed that it plays but at times rew and play stop. This deck was never played on in am eon. No cassette could have played in it....they way I got it. That's why I like eBay. Buyers are almost always right. Rick, if you are going to justify the seller, I do not know what to say here! Ram. On Apr 29, 2011, at 5:36 PM, "Rick >'}" wrote: I dont understand what all the fuss is about - the seller didnt offer a warranty... you, compared to other units on eBay, "stole" the unit and now you are unhappy - I mean, c'mon -- you are buying electronics from a seller you dont know and .... buyer beware! - get over yourself - and guess what, electronics do fail - all the time - you dont know if they knew all the problems or not - stop crying. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From daddyo at metrowebstudios.com Sat Apr 30 05:57:09 2011 From: daddyo at metrowebstudios.com (daddyo) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 21:57:09 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Repair service in Chicago? Message-ID: <4DBB8895.9000105@metrowebstudios.com> Thanks to everyone who responded! I will certainly follow up! Ron On 27 April 2011 06:43, jesse ruff wrote: > > Hello, > > I live in Chicago and would recommend a couple places. Let me > > rephrase--recommend might be a little strong! l I know they can fix it! > > 20th Century will definitely fix your Nak--Mitch has been there for like 40 > > plus years, and his shop is awesome--tons of cool vintage electronics, and > > he's actually the one to put me on to Nakamichi--he's a bit crabby to say > > the least though. Deltronics is also reliable, but expect to shell out some > > cash. I've heard of other spots, but haven't taken stuff to them; maybe > > Decibel on Milwaukee, but maybe not--their tech may not have the > > experience/parts. > > Jesse > > > > --- On *Tue, 4/26/11, Willy Hermann*wrote: > > > > > > From: Willy Hermann > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Repair service in Chicago? > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 11:41 AM > > > > Sorry Ron - I don't know of anyone in your area. > > > > Willy > > > > On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 4:01 PM, daddyo >> > > wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I have a Nakamichi CR-1A cassette deck that all of a sudden won't play. > > Anyone know of a repair service in the Chicago area? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Ron From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 30 12:10:09 2011 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 03:10:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 In-Reply-To: <640727.1334.qm@web113203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <988576.68395.qm@web112720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Just for the record now. Please know and be advised that anything you buy on ebay using paypal is returnable if not as described. Period. Document with photos and thats it. Open a case and if seller refuses  return and full refund escalate to a claim. Ebay even pays to ship item back. Sour or sweet grapes does not matter on ebay. Buyers are KINGS! Ram. --- On Fri, 4/29/11, Rick >'} wrote: From: Rick >'} Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Friday, April 29, 2011, 7:35 PM Clearly states no returns - buyer beware - sounds to me like sour grapes   From: Bob Naylor To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Fri, April 29, 2011 5:15:27 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 WOW what a description!  Make you wonder how he got 100+ positive feedbacks????? Bob N --- On Fri, 4/29/11, shanti ramachandran wrote: From: shanti ramachandran Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Friday, April 29, 2011, 6:33 AM Ite number is 260767028432 Seller is  devdude and he has a 100% rating!...which will drop when the money is refunded by ebay on receipt of deck back. Ram. --- On Thu, 4/28/11, Bob Naylor wrote: From: Bob Naylor Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, April 28, 2011, 5:26 PM Ram, Amazing!  Do you have an E-Bay # for that item? Bob N --- On Tue, 4/26/11, shanti ramachandran wrote: From: shanti ramachandran Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 6:32 PM Well, I am attaching a photo of a deck(BX300) I received yesterday from a seller on ebay, who claimed the deck worked fine when he sold it. I could not even bring myself to insert a cassette tape  in this deck's well. Once powered up, the transformer overheated and the deck just went blip....off! The capstans did rotate though until all went quiet.( about three minutes n all) Ebay is refunding the money( its back to the seller already) and the seller will get a nice negative for sure. I hope the seller is not a naktalk member! :) Ram. --- On Tue, 4/26/11, hhtltd at juno.com wrote: From: hhtltd at juno.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 10:45 AM Christine:       You should give the seller a negative rating and file complaint with EBAY. The Beogram 9000 like most (not all) other tape units WILL NOTG operate with no belts. Misrepresenting the operational integrity of any equipment is considered in many cases as fraudulent sale. In short, it couldn't have worked no matter what he said.       Get belts from Vintage electronics or Marr communications.   Good Luck!   NCM   On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:55:14 +0100 Christian Thomas writes: I recently aquired a Beo 9000 which they say competes soundwise with Nak decks.  I'd like to find out if this is true (and will happily share tyhe results when I do) but at the moment it has no belts.  (That's how it came, though the seller on eBay swore it was working when it left his hands!).  I was wondering if anyone knows where I might find some?   Thanks in advance   Christian   ____________________________________________________________ Groupon.com Official Site 1 huge daily deal on the best stuff to do in your city. Try it today! 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Ram. --- On Fri, 4/29/11, Rick >'} wrote: From: Rick >'} Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Friday, April 29, 2011, 9:26 PM You're receiving a refund from eBay yet you are broadcasting your dissatisfaction on the message board - sounds like crying to me - and buyers are always right on eBay? - I think not - been active on eBay for 15+ years (active buyer and seller - small items to very high dollar) - buyers are not always right - they can be deceptive also ...  ___________________________________________________________________ If you want to improve, be content to be thought foolish and stupid Epictetus --------- Bad politicians are sent to Washington by good people who don't vote William E. Simon From: Ram To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Fri, April 29, 2011 8:05:51 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 Hi Rick, Please chill. No one here is complaining or crying!  I am getting my money back and the other members here are just horrified by what I showed in a photo I received. If that seller had a little honesty he would not have sent the deck with all the cobwebs and dog hair and what not in the well.....and not claimed that it plays but at times rew and play stop. This deck was never played on in am eon. No cassette could have played in it....they way I got it. That's why I like eBay. Buyers are almost always right.  Rick, if you are going to justify the seller, I do not  know what to say here! Ram. On Apr 29, 2011, at 5:36 PM, "Rick >'}" wrote: I dont understand what all the fuss is about - the seller didnt offer a warranty... you, compared to other units on eBay, "stole" the unit and now you are unhappy - I mean, c'mon -- you are buying electronics from a seller you dont know and .... buyer beware! - get over yourself - and guess what, electronics do fail - all the time - you dont know if they knew all the problems or not - stop crying. ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Sat Apr 30 16:42:56 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 07:42:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code! In-Reply-To: <004101cc051d$2d0f0010$872d0030$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> References: <932708.22333.qm@web112709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, , <941471.53931.qm@web130120.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, , <776759.97602.qm@web130120.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <647405.79467.qm@web130109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <004101cc051d$2d0f0010$872d0030$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Message-ID: <768468.32602.qm@web130104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> No, Norman, it completely died. BTW, you get even 'better' reset by removing the battery for 30 seconds or so. -- Ron ________________________________ From: Norman van Wijnen To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wed, April 27, 2011 4:53:35 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code! Hi Ron, I use the TSU 7000 pronto and that remote has a small reset button near the battery. It helps me several times when the battery get older. It sometimes stops complete. After a reset the remote is still alive. Maybe the RC-5000i has some reset button? Every time i use the reset button i have to think about the slogan from Philips here in the Netherlands: “Let’s make things better”. I wonder when…. Regards Norman Van:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens Ron Verzonden: woensdag 27 april 2011 16:34 Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Onderwerp: Re: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code! The RC-5000i simply died. It was working one day and the next time I tried to use it, it was dead. Battery was still charged, but there was no response. I'll either bury it, or offer it for parts on the ePlace. The TSU7500 is an NG (New Generation) remote, based on pcf (rather than ccf) files. I understand the Philips S/W can take ccf files and generate pcf equivalents. The TSU7500 also adds another complication, due to the color screen. I now have to re-program all my components on the TSU7500 -- a job I am not looking forward to. I plan to do it any month now :-). Meanwhile, I (again) have a plethora of remotes cluttering up my coffee table :-(. Thanks again for the file, -- Ron ________________________________ From:winnie pooh To: naktalk Sent: Tue, April 26, 2011 8:56:28 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code! No problems, Ron. Least I can do after all the help you provided last time. I've attached it to this post. Just curious, what happened to the RC-5000i? Are the .ccf files compatible with the newer remotes like TSU7750? ________________________________ Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 06:23:03 -0700 From: ronami at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code! To: naktalk at naks.com That'll be great. It will save me the trouble of re-creating the CR-7 CCF from scratch My RC-5000i dies a horrible death, taking with it all stored data. I just got a TSU7750 (color screen) on ebay and am planning to repeat the chore of 'doing' the remote all over again :-(. -- Ron ________________________________ From:winnie pooh To: naktalk Sent: Mon, April 25, 2011 8:43:38 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code! Hello Ron, I am one of those that you sent the CR-7 Marantz RC-5000i file to. If you want to get a copy to replace your lost one I can attach it for all to share. Thanks. ________________________________ Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 06:48:42 -0700 From: ronami at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code! To: naktalk at naks.com A long time ago I copied all remote codes from my CR-7 into a Marantz RC-5000i (same as Philips Pronto TSU1000). I subsequently sent the file to a couple of members here. Since then, I've lost both the file and the names of these members, but if any of them are reading this, they may be able to help? -- Ron ________________________________ From:shanti ramachandran To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sat, April 23, 2011 3:04:04 PM Subject: [naktalk] The CR 7 remote code! Hi, As all of you know, the Cr 7 is operable with its factory supplied infra red remote. I was wondering what was the code for that remote transmitter if I had to program a universal remote to work with it. I have not been able to program a SONY with its supplied Nakamichi code. If any one knows could you please share that info? 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URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Sat Apr 30 20:22:46 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 11:22:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Donation: BX-100 In-Reply-To: <4b2f275d1ad2d4ec24490f89ada94305.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> References: <8f630486ebb0c72d525fdcecd9eb6679.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <4b2f275d1ad2d4ec24490f89ada94305.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <144370.88227.qm@web130102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I would have taken it, but I understood the owner wanted the deck to end up with someone that would actually keep and use it. Personally, I enjoy playing with such decks -- I repair and service, but eventually sell them (often, for self cost of the deck, shipping and parts). If the owner is willing to donate on this understanding, I'll be happy to get it for the shipping. -- Ron ________________________________ From: Wouter Heijke To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, April 28, 2011 2:41:24 AM Subject: [naktalk] Re: Donation: BX-100 The onwer asked again if anyone is interested, otherwise he will 'trash it'.. Wouter > > We have a BX-100 donation in Pasadena TX 77505. > The owner let a message: > > "I have a silver BX-100 in perfect condition. I replaced the pinch > rollers about a year ago to sell it but never got around to doing that. I > just want it to end up with someone who will appreciate it. I have the > original box and manual also. 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URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Sat Apr 30 20:37:25 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 11:37:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: R: R: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor In-Reply-To: <003f01cc05a2$b4560980$1d021c80$@teletu.it> References: <266156.89238.qm@web130107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <443323.39599.qm@web130104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <003f01cc05a2$b4560980$1d021c80$@teletu.it> Message-ID: <567174.77332.qm@web130107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Maurizio, Removing the reel motor is not very difficult. However, there are three tricky steps in the description below (7, 8 and 10) that are a bit tricky, so be careful. In the list of steps below, 'top' or 'right' refer to the deck normal orientation, as seen from the front. Also, numbers following part names refer to the designation numbers from Fig. 6.5, page 18 of the CR-7 service manual. I'll appreciate any comments/corrections/observations you may wish to make. So, here's how I do it: 1. Remove top cover. How: remove two screws, 2 on each side. 2. Remove cassette well door. 3. Remove front part of the cassette case (24). How: remove 2 black countersunk head screws on the left. Hold the left side and pull forward and to the left to disengage. Note location of the spring on the left plastic bracket and make sure it's correctly positioned prior to reassembly 4. Remove the cassette back plate. How: remove 2 black screws from the top of the plate. The plate fits into slots in the cassette guides at the bottom of the well. Pull the top of the plate forward and up to disengage. 5. Remove the left hub. How: press down on the hub. This exposes a 3.2mm plastic washer -- pull it off, then remove the hub, a metal washer, a plastic spring holder and a spring, in this order. 6. In a similar fashion, remove the right hub. 7. The reel motor plate is held by 2 screws and a nut, all accessible from the rear. For now, remove the upper left screw and loosen (do not remove) the 4mm nut. You may use a 5/32" nut driver.The plate and motor will remain in place. 8. Mark the positive terminal of the reel motor with a dab of red paint, if not already so marked. Unsolder the motor leads. 9. Dismount the capstan motor. It is held in place by 4 screws, all accessible from the front. How: put a piece of plastic sleeving on each capstan, for protection. Manually lift the head block as far as it will go and use a strong rubber band hooked to the post at the top to keep it in place. Top left screw is located under the left hub hole, a bit to the left. Top right screw is located about 1/2" above the right cassette guide. Lower right screw is located under the right pinch roller. Lower left screw is located under and to the left of the left pinch roller. Its head will be hidden under a segment of an L bracket (16). To expose the head (partially), push the L bracket segment down. Use a thin Philips #1 screwdriver. Once the capstan motor standoff is free, release the L bracket. This will keep the screw captive, so it will not fall out. 10. Remove the reel motor plate with the reel motor attached. How: Move the capstan motor back so as to permit access to the lower screw holding the reel motor plate in place. Use a right angle Philips #1 screwdriver. Loosen the screw (do not remove). 11. Replace reel motor. 12. Reassemble in reverse order. Good luck, -- Ron ________________________________ From: Ziomaury To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thu, April 28, 2011 8:49:25 AM Subject: R: R: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor Hallo Ron. I’ve found a technical lab that repair hi-fi equipments. They’re able to remove the reel motor and replace the arm but, if it’s not too much trouble for you, the best is that you send me the instruction about this. I’m sorry to bother you. Thanks and regards, Maurizio Da:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Per conto di Ron Inviato: giovedì 21 aprile 2011 16:38 A: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Oggetto: Re: R: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor > ... another way to replace the arm of idler tire without remove the reel motor? Not that I know of. There isn't enough room to work on the motor when it's installed in the deck. BTW, your English is fine. -- Ron ________________________________ From:Ziomaury To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thu, April 21, 2011 3:40:04 AM Subject: R: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor Hallo Ron, Thanks for your explanation. I’m agree with you about that remove the reel motor is very difficult. There’s another way to replace the arm of idler tire without remove the reel motor? Thanks and regards, Maurizio P.S. Sorry for my English (very basic!) Da:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Per conto di Ron Inviato: mercoledì 20 aprile 2011 22:25 A: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Oggetto: Re: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor Maurizio, Removing the reel motor is a comparatively big job. Some people prefer to remove the transport form the deck. Personally, I prefer to do it in the deck. In any case, it's an elaborate job. If you've never done it, it's not a good idea to learn on your own CR07 :-). I highly recommend you have it done by a professional. If you insist on doing it yourself anyway, please let me now and I'll post instructions. Good luck, -- Ron From: Ziomaury To:naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wed, April 20, 2011 10:24:18 AM Subject: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor Hallo. I’ve tried to replace the idle tire on a CR7-E but unfortunately I’ve break the plastic idle arm. To replace the arm I think that the best is remove the complete reel motor. 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URL: From mail at guyfacey.com Sat Apr 30 14:10:45 2011 From: mail at guyfacey.com (Guy Facey) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 20:10:45 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] Repair service in Chicago? In-Reply-To: <3E03BCDF-7B1F-4DCD-8821-F710644C7542@peromarta.org> References: <11055.78940.qm@web83714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <3E03BCDF-7B1F-4DCD-8821-F710644C7542@peromarta.org> Message-ID: Wow, amazing I upgraded my wife's old B&W DM5s 2 years ago (she'd had them since about 1980 - we've been together since 1982 - and the rubber surrounding the cone had gone) for some new B&Ws, in fact we pushed the boat out and bought surround sound all in B&W (meant I couldn't afford the front pair I wanted, but hey). So that's a really nice surprise, means I'll have to visit B&W this summer, just looked at the web site and it's v encouraging. Thanks Guy On 29 April 2011 18:16, Luis Peromarta Regert wrote: > B&W are your friends. They read this list so probably will conatct you off > list. > > http://www.bowersandwilkins.co.uk/nakamichi%20home.html > > Best rgds, LP. > > > > El 29/04/2011, a las 05:31, Guy Facey escribió: > > > I live in Hong Kong but travel each year to England. Nobody seems to know > anyone in HK but does anyone know a Nak technician in England? > > thanks > > Guy > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From ct.waveform at googlemail.com Sat Apr 30 15:24:13 2011 From: ct.waveform at googlemail.com (Christian Thomas) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 14:24:13 +0100 Subject: [naktalk]RE:Beocord 9000 In-Reply-To: <494158.54653.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <494158.54653.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes it does affect electronics. It improves them - all that tar and dust damp the microphonic effects CT On 30 April 2011 01:12, Bob Naylor wrote: > Derrick, I know several people that swear that electronic equipment smells > like smoke when it comes from a smoking environment. I smoke cigars so I > never notice but these same people also swear that if effects certain > electronics. I'm not so sure myself. > Bob N > > --- On *Fri, 4/29/11, Beckner, Derrick * wrote: > > > From: Beckner, Derrick > Subject: RE: [naktalk]RE:Beocord 9000 > > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Date: Friday, April 29, 2011, 11:58 AM > > > I browse through Audiogon periodically and am shocked by the number of > sellers who require an extra 4% for Pay Pal. First off, if it is that > important just add 4% to the sale price, second, except for huge sales, it’s > worth the 4% to not have to deal with taking a check down to the bank and > hoping it doesn’t bounce. I’m also amused by “non-smoking environment” > when selling electronics. Seriously, wood and metal aren’t going to be > absorbing smoke smells. Much rather would see “Actually tested device and > found it works”. > > > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *Kevin Fetner > *Sent:* Friday, April 29, 2011 10:37 AM > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Subject:* [naktalk]RE:Beocord 9000 > > > > Ram, > This is a very good point. I learned a number of yrs ago PayPal is our only > lifeline, unless on the off chance you are dealing with a honest and > attentive seller. Especially when ebay bought PayPal and dropped the war > games going on between sellers & buyers. I believe ALL sellers are now > required to offer PayPal as a purchasing tool...they can offer other > purchasing options as well, but they have to offer PayPal. And they can't > ask for more money either because of the use of PayPal....at least not in > their ad. > > But yeah, read the listings very well and ask as many questions as you > want. If they act put-out to answer, move on. I've had some old school > sellers stonewall me with bad/misrepresented merchandise and lousy > communication ....figuring it was like the old days on ebay and they would > win out against my complaints. PayPal made short shrift of that. The moral > of the story in most instances is the seller's perception (and knowledge) of > 'condition'. I honestly believe that many of them see a rose, when it's > really a thorn and that they don't necessarily set out to deceive. Or...they > got taken and set out to do the same. It's kinda hard to swear a deck worked > when it has no belt! > > Kevin > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 06:28:58 -0700 (PDT) > From: shanti ramachandran > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Message-ID: <464449.11449.qm at web112708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > On the other hand despite my BX 300 disaster, I have bought at least 50 > plus decks( mostly Naks) out of which I can recall only 15 or so being > utterly bad. > > That gives ebay seller's a 70% positive in my books. However, I am not as > concerned because I only use paypal and I have not lost a penny in any of my > transactions. One gets to learn personalities when one gets stuck with the > kind of deck I recently got stuck with. > > Moral of the story. Read the listings well. Ask questions. Never pay with > acheck or money transfer. Use paypal. Thats it. You are covered. > > Lets go shopping. This disease is never ending! > > Ram. > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.commailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ct.waveform at googlemail.com Sat Apr 30 15:27:18 2011 From: ct.waveform at googlemail.com (Christian Thomas) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 14:27:18 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 In-Reply-To: <378799.53005.qm@web113212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <924013.77154.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48084.47203.qm@web112715.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <256522.46739.qm@web113206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <9A498AFC-0169-4D68-8679-D60CE65DCB4F@yahoo.com> <378799.53005.qm@web113212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'd be quite cautious before leaving negative feedback, they can do the same to you, you know? I tend to reserve -ve feedback (which in all other instances is a good thing ;) for when others obviously need warning. Christian On 30 April 2011 02:26, Rick >'} wrote: > You're receiving a refund from eBay yet you are broadcasting your > dissatisfaction on the message board - sounds like crying to me - and buyers > are always right on eBay? - I think not - been active on eBay for 15+ years > (active buyer and seller - small items to very high dollar) - buyers are not > always right - they can be deceptive also ... > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > > If you want to improve, be content to be thought foolish and stupid > > > Epictetus > > > --------- > > > Bad politicians are sent to Washington by good people who don't vote > > > William E. Simon > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Ram > > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Fri, April 29, 2011 8:05:51 PM > > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 > > Hi Rick, > > Please chill. No one here is complaining or crying! I am getting my money > back and the other members here are just horrified by what I showed in a > photo I received. > > If that seller had a little honesty he would not have sent the deck with > all the cobwebs and dog hair and what not in the well.....and not claimed > that it plays but at times rew and play stop. This deck was never played on > in am eon. No cassette could have played in it....they way I got it. > > That's why I like eBay. Buyers are almost always right. > > Rick, if you are going to justify the seller, I do not know what to say > here! > > Ram. > > > > On Apr 29, 2011, at 5:36 PM, "Rick >'}" wrote: > > I dont understand what all the fuss is about - the seller didnt offer a > warranty... you, compared to other units on eBay, "stole" the unit and now > you are unhappy - I mean, c'mon -- you are buying electronics from a seller > you dont know and .... buyer beware! - get over yourself - and guess what, > electronics do fail - all the time - you dont know if they knew all the > problems or not - stop crying. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 2:26 AM, Rick >'} wrote: > You're receiving a refund from eBay yet you are broadcasting your > dissatisfaction on the message board - sounds like crying to me - and buyers > are always right on eBay? - I think not - been active on eBay for 15+ years > (active buyer and seller - small items to very high dollar) - buyers are not > always right - they can be deceptive also ... > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > If you want to improve, be content to be thought foolish and stupid > > Epictetus > > --------- > > Bad politicians are sent to Washington by good people who don't vote > > William E. Simon > > ________________________________ > From: Ram > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Fri, April 29, 2011 8:05:51 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 > > Hi Rick, > Please chill. No one here is complaining or crying!  I am getting my money > back and the other members here are just horrified by what I showed in a > photo I received. > If that seller had a little honesty he would not have sent the deck with all > the cobwebs and dog hair and what not in the well.....and not claimed that > it plays but at times rew and play stop. This deck was never played on in am > eon. No cassette could have played in it....they way I got it. > That's why I like eBay. Buyers are almost always right. > Rick, if you are going to justify the seller, I do not  know what to say > here! > Ram. > > > > On Apr 29, 2011, at 5:36 PM, "Rick >'}" wrote: > > I dont understand what all the fuss is about - the seller didnt offer a > warranty... you, compared to other units on eBay, "stole" the unit and now > you are unhappy - I mean, c'mon -- you are buying electronics from a seller > you dont know and .... buyer beware! - get over yourself - and guess what, > electronics do fail - all the time - you dont know if they knew all the > problems or not - stop crying. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 30 18:55:19 2011 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 09:55:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 In-Reply-To: <9A498AFC-0169-4D68-8679-D60CE65DCB4F@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <154224.77118.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Rick, Just my opinion, the item was misrepresented.  Simple as that.  If it was a good working machine then you're right by saying that it was a steal however it is an auction and Ram had virtually no control over the selling price.  Again, just my opinion. Bob N --- On Fri, 4/29/11, Ram wrote: From: Ram Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Friday, April 29, 2011, 5:05 PM Hi Rick, Please chill. No one here is complaining or crying!  I am getting my money back and the other members here are just horrified by what I showed in a photo I received. If that seller had a little honesty he would not have sent the deck with all the cobwebs and dog hair and what not in the well.....and not claimed that it plays but at times rew and play stop. This deck was never played on in am eon. No cassette could have played in it....they way I got it. That's why I like eBay. Buyers are almost always right.  Rick, if you are going to justify the seller, I do not  know what to say here! Ram. 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URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Sat Apr 30 19:14:40 2011 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 10:14:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk]RE:Beocord 9000 Message-ID: <813302.42320.qm@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Willy is correct. I'm not a tech by any means, but I do tinker and I observe quite well. Some of you know of Lee Hazen. Well, I was referred to him a number of yrs ago about a lot of Aiwa decks he had bought from a cassette bootlegger. I had the choice of buying a deck that Lee cleaned himself, or buying one 'as is' with the full instructions on how to remove the necessary parts to clean the deck. The bootlegger was a smoker and so was Lee. The instructions were great and as the deck had optical sensors, they were dirty from the cigarette smoke and cleaning restored the tape transport functions. As it turned out though, there was a lot more wrong with the deck than cigarette smoke, but that's another story.;-) Kevin __________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Message: 17 Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 15:00:53 -0800 From: Willy Hermann Subject: Re: [naktalk]RE:Beocord 9000 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Actually - having worked on audio electronics for 40 years now I can testify that a smoking environment does terrible things to the inside of gear - especially electro-mechanical units like tape decks. Also, the smell permeates everything inside and never goes away. I wouldn't have a smokers unit in my system. Every time it warms up you can smell it. Willy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Sat Apr 30 23:00:49 2011 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 13:00:49 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Repair service in Chicago? In-Reply-To: References: <11055.78940.qm@web83714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <3E03BCDF-7B1F-4DCD-8821-F710644C7542@peromarta.org> Message-ID: Don't confuse the two companies - it's easy to do. B&W loudspeakers is a manufacturing concern. They have factories in Worthing England and in China as well as a research facility in Steyning England. They don't fix Nakamichis. John Bowers and Roy Wilkins started a hifi shop in the late 50's in Worthing. John got interested in speakers and began making his own. This eventually became his passion and he left the retail business. It's that retail business which is now repairing Nakamichi. John Bowers ran B&W (any ran it very well) for many years. He died in the early 90's and Joe Atkins bought the company. Joe also owns Classe Audio and Rotel. For years the speakers were only called B&W and the shop was only called Bowers and Wilkins. The two web sites now are bowersandwilkins.co.uk and bowers-wilkins.com or bwspeakers.com . Willy On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 4:10 AM, Guy Facey wrote: > Wow, amazing > I upgraded my wife's old B&W DM5s 2 years ago (she'd had them since about > 1980 - we've been together since 1982 - and the rubber surrounding the cone > had gone) for some new B&Ws, in fact we pushed the boat out and bought > surround sound all in B&W (meant I couldn't afford the front pair I wanted, > but hey). > So that's a really nice surprise, means I'll have to visit B&W this summer, > just looked at the web site and it's v encouraging. > Thanks > Guy > > On 29 April 2011 18:16, Luis Peromarta Regert wrote: > >> B&W are your friends. They read this list so probably will conatct you off >> list. >> >> http://www.bowersandwilkins.co.uk/nakamichi%20home.html >> >> Best rgds, LP. >> >> >> >> El 29/04/2011, a las 05:31, Guy Facey escribió: >> >> > I live in Hong Kong but travel each year to England. 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Regards John Gipps Message: 1 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 08:10:46 -0600 From: Mark Exstedt Subject: [naktalk] 480 Won't Play To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" FF and Rewind is fine.Upon play, the transport goes up, but the drive motor is not turning (as it does in FF and Rewind).Any suggestions? The deck also has the broken eject cable piece in which the cassette door will not open. This problem I understand. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20110728/7b808ede/at tachment-0001.html From davidt124 at internode.on.net Tue Aug 2 07:59:43 2011 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2011 15:59:43 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] 700ZXE recording noise Message-ID: Can anyone suggest a reason for noisy recording on a 700ZX-E? I have replaced all orange caps and some transistors on the bias oscillator pcb. David From bluejets3 at comcast.net Tue Aug 2 03:30:50 2011 From: bluejets3 at comcast.net (Tracy and Neville) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 21:30:50 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon door and cassette eject issue Message-ID: <9C530442526545BBBBCB1F9B4D685923@TracyPC> Hi. I just acquired a Nakamichi Dragon in good cosmetic condition which was stated to be working On opening the shipping package I discovered the cassette door “unhooked” and the cassette mechanism looked like it was misaligned. I thought just reattaching the door would fix it, but powering up and pressing the eject button did not open the door. In fact it’s difficult to make it stay in. Is this a common problem with a relatively easy solution. Where do I start? By the way I can see and hear the capstans working if I hold in a cassette and the FF and RW also work. Play does not, but I did not test this approach too much as I hesitated to hold the door/cassette in. I just wanted to see if the capstans worked. 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Dragon can be complex even for taking out the transport if the mounts are broken Kannan From: Tracy and Neville To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 8:30 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon door and cassette eject issue Hi. I just acquired a Nakamichi Dragon in good cosmetic condition which was stated to be working  On opening the shipping package I discovered the cassette door “unhooked” and the cassette mechanism looked like it was misaligned. I thought just reattaching the door would fix it, but powering up and pressing the eject button did not open the door. In fact it’s difficult to make it stay in. Is this a common problem with a relatively easy solution. Where do I start? By the way I can see and hear the capstans working if I hold in a cassette and the FF and RW also work. Play does not, but I did not test this approach too much as I hesitated to hold the door/cassette in. I just wanted to see if the capstans worked. 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It is not an easy work if you have not serviced Naks before. Dragon can be complex even for taking out the transport if the mounts are broken Kannan From: Tracy and Neville To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 8:30 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon door and cassette eject issue Hi. I just acquired a Nakamichi Dragon in good cosmetic condition which was stated to be working  On opening the shipping package I discovered the cassette door “unhooked” and the cassette mechanism looked like it was misaligned. I thought just reattaching the door would fix it, but powering up and pressing the eject button did not open the door. In fact it’s difficult to make it stay in. Is this a common problem with a relatively easy solution. Where do I start? By the way I can see and hear the capstans working if I hold in a cassette and the FF and RW also work. Play does not, but I did not test this approach too much as I hesitated to hold the door/cassette in. I just wanted to see if the capstans worked. Any help and suggestions would be appreciated. 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Great sounding deck! http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-480-Cassette-Deck-w-Boxes-Manual-Minty-/160630051353?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item25664c1219 > From: JohnGipps at iPrimus.com.au > To: naktalk at naks.com > CC: mark8559 at hotmail.com > Subject: 480 Won't Play (Mark Exstedt) > Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 00:03:25 +1000 > > Hi Mark > > In a 480, the reel motor is driven in REW by Q402, in FF by Q413, and in > Play by Q414. Q414 and its associated circuitry act as a current source and > provide considerably less drive to the reel motor in Play, than it receives > in FF. If FF and REW are ok, then the reel motor itself is obviously ok, and > the problem is likely to be Q414. Q414 is a PNP transistor type 2SB564. > Since the capstans are rotating when Play is requested, then a good part of > the logic (which is discrete) for Play is also working. So the first parts > to check are Q414, Q415, R437 (27 Ohm), and D414. > > Regards > > John Gipps > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 08:10:46 -0600 > From: Mark Exstedt > Subject: [naktalk] 480 Won't Play > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > FF and Rewind is fine.Upon play, the transport goes up, but the drive motor > is not turning (as it does in FF and Rewind).Any suggestions? The deck also > has the broken eject cable piece in which the cassette door will not open. > This problem I understand. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gamve at ozemail.com.au Tue Aug 2 15:07:36 2011 From: gamve at ozemail.com.au (gamve at ozemail.com.au) Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2011 21:07:36 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon door and cassette eject issue Message-ID: <13178.1312290456@ozemail.com.au> Sorry to be the bearer of bad news http://naks.es/binding_post_fix.html Looks like this might be your problem. I have one just like it. :( Best Regards Graham On Tue Aug 2 11:30 , 'Tracy and Neville' sent: > > > > >Hi. I just acquired a Nakamichi Dragon in good cosmetic condition which was >stated to be working  On opening the shipping >package I discovered the cassette door “unhooked” and the cassette mechanism >looked like it was misaligned. I thought just reattaching the door would fix it, >but powering up and pressing the eject button did not open the door. In fact >it’s difficult to make it stay in. Is this a common problem with a relatively >easy solution. Where do I start? By the way I can see and hear the capstans >working if I hold in a cassette and the FF and RW also work. Play does not, but >I did not test this approach too much as I hesitated to hold the door/cassette >in. I just wanted to see if the capstans worked. Any help and suggestions would >be appreciated. Many Thanks >Neville >  From ti at amb.org Wed Aug 3 09:29:05 2011 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 00:29:05 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon door and cassette eject issue In-Reply-To: <13178.1312290456@ozemail.com.au> References: <13178.1312290456@ozemail.com.au> Message-ID: <20110803072905.GA18857@bazooka.amb.org> I had the same thing happen on the first Dragon I bought. It was inadequately packed and the cassette door got pushed in, breaking the transport mounts inside. Fortunately, the seller agreed to accept a return with full refund, so I bought another Dragon which worked out wonderfully. -Ti On Tue, Aug 02, 2011 at 09:07:36PM +0800, gamve at ozemail.com.au wrote: > Sorry to be the bearer of bad news > > http://naks.es/binding_post_fix.html > > Looks like this might be your problem. I have one just like it. :( > Best Regards > Graham > > On Tue Aug 2 11:30 , 'Tracy and Neville' sent: > >Hi. I just acquired a Nakamichi Dragon in good cosmetic condition which was > >stated to be working?? On opening the shipping > >package I discovered the cassette door ???unhooked??? and the cassette mechanism > >looked like it was misaligned. I thought just reattaching the door would fix it, > >but powering up and pressing the eject button did not open the door. In fact > >it???s difficult to make it stay in. Is this a common problem with a relatively > >easy solution. Where do I start? By the way I can see and hear the capstans > >working if I hold in a cassette and the FF and RW also work. Play does not, but > >I did not test this approach too much as I hesitated to hold the door/cassette > >in. I just wanted to see if the capstans worked. Any help and suggestions would > >be appreciated. Many Thanks > >Neville > >?? From perry.nak at comcast.net Wed Aug 3 13:38:06 2011 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 11:38:06 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon mounting posts Message-ID: <469793473-1312371495-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2073067934-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry> I always specify and request that the well cover be removed for shipping. They stick out and most any impact to the face causes the nylon posts to snap. It is a common fix as Grahams post shows. Same for ZX-7/9 where the door protrudes. Sorry. Make a claim. Perry Esposito - From my phone From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 3 15:49:57 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 06:49:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon mounting posts In-Reply-To: <469793473-1312371495-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2073067934-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry> References: <469793473-1312371495-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2073067934-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <1312379397.96911.YahooMailNeo@web160620.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hi Perry, The well cover should be in place to ensure that the transport and its innards are protected. However, as the front of the deck is fragile due to knobs, switches and other features, it is important to cover this with layers of bubble sheet and some hard material (like a piece of carton or Styrofoam material). The Dragon is an extreme example thanks to its many buttons/knobs and not very solid built. It needs all the protection it can get to stand the punishment of transit.  Cheers! Bala ----- Original Message ----- From: "perry.nak at comcast.net" To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 9:38 PM Subject: [naktalk] Dragon mounting posts I always specify and request that the well cover be removed for shipping. They stick out and most any impact to the face causes the  nylon posts to snap. It is a common fix as Grahams post shows. Same for ZX-7/9 where the door protrudes. Sorry. Make a claim. 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URL: From perry.nak at comcast.net Wed Aug 3 17:20:51 2011 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 15:20:51 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon mounting posts In-Reply-To: <1312379397.96911.YahooMailNeo@web160620.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <469793473-1312371495-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2073067934-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry><1312379397.96911.YahooMailNeo@web160620.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2019922610-1312384852-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-185120007-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry> Hi Bala, Sorry but I have to disagree. A simple wrap of clear plastic wrap like Saran wrap will keep the opening clean as well as prevent abrasion to the faceplate. The knobs have no impact on damaging the transport. A blow to the well cover will every time and even padding it well is often not enough. When shipped it is best to mimic the original packing which floated the deck by suspending the ends and providing a dead zone so no force can be transmitted to the face plate. Besides the original packing, (which has a cut out for the door) the easiest way to do this is to wrap each end with enough bubble wrap (with the door removed) so the ends are tight in the box but that there is at least two inches of air space all around, like a short fat dumbbell. In addition, when I ship a Dragon I insert 2 triangular folded tubes of cardboard under the top cover to brace the main board from moving and breaking or cracking the right rear corner, a very common damage, and the other wedges behind the transport and braced it to the back wall so it can't be forced rear ward by momentum. Perry Esposito - From my phone -----Original Message----- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 06:49:57 To: perry.nak at comcast.net; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Reply-To: Bala Ganesh Chandra Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon mounting posts Hi Perry, The well cover should be in place to ensure that the transport and its innards are protected. However, as the front of the deck is fragile due to knobs, switches and other features, it is important to cover this with layers of bubble sheet and some hard material (like a piece of carton or Styrofoam material). The Dragon is an extreme example thanks to its many buttons/knobs and not very solid built. It needs all the protection it can get to stand the punishment of transit.  Cheers! Bala ----- Original Message ----- From: "perry.nak at comcast.net" To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 9:38 PM Subject: [naktalk] Dragon mounting posts I always specify and request that the well cover be removed for shipping. They stick out and most any impact to the face causes the  nylon posts to snap. It is a common fix as Grahams post shows. Same for ZX-7/9 where the door protrudes. Sorry. Make a claim. Perry Esposito - From my phone ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Wed Aug 3 18:23:04 2011 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 09:23:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon mounting posts In-Reply-To: <2019922610-1312384852-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-185120007-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry> References: <469793473-1312371495-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2073067934-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry><1312379397.96911.YahooMailNeo@web160620.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <2019922610-1312384852-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-185120007-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <1312388584.85560.YahooMailNeo@web160710.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Yes Perry you are right if the Dragon does not have the original Foam packaging with its original shipping box, remove the cassette cover ( I even fix a Cardboard plate thick enough to cover above/ around the cassette well lamp part that still protrudes out of the front plate) and ship it with adequate front foam to take enough shock as well as avoiding any direct contact with cassette well parts. Otherwise it causes broken mounts -99% of the time Another issue is shipping again without repair - my seller complained to UPS - UPS took it from me for inspection and sent it back to the seller causing extensive damage to PCB/ azimuth cable  etc!! The Dragon became only a parts machine. Lesson learnt!!!! Kannan   From: "perry.nak at comcast.net" To: Bala Ganesh Chandra ; naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon mounting posts Hi Bala, Sorry but I have to disagree. A simple wrap of clear plastic wrap like Saran wrap will keep the opening clean as well as prevent abrasion to the faceplate. The knobs have no impact on damaging the transport. A blow to the well cover will every time and even padding it well is often not enough. When shipped it is best to mimic the original packing which floated the deck by suspending the ends and providing a dead zone so no force can be transmitted to the face plate. Besides the original packing, (which has a cut out for the door) the easiest way to do this is to wrap each end with enough bubble wrap (with the door removed) so the ends are tight in the box but that there is at least two inches of air space all around, like a short fat dumbbell. In addition, when I ship a Dragon I insert 2 triangular folded tubes of cardboard under the top cover to brace the main board from moving and breaking or cracking the right rear corner, a very common damage, and the other wedges behind the transport and braced it to the back wall so it can't be forced rear ward by momentum. Perry Esposito - From my phone From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 06:49:57 -0700 (PDT) To: perry.nak at comcast.net; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks ReplyTo: Bala Ganesh Chandra Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon mounting posts Hi Perry, The well cover should be in place to ensure that the transport and its innards are protected. However, as the front of the deck is fragile due to knobs, switches and other features, it is important to cover this with layers of bubble sheet and some hard material (like a piece of carton or Styrofoam material). The Dragon is an extreme example thanks to its many buttons/knobs and not very solid built. It needs all the protection it can get to stand the punishment of transit.  Cheers! Bala ----- Original Message ----- From: "perry.nak at comcast.net" To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 9:38 PM Subject: [naktalk] Dragon mounting posts I always specify and request that the well cover be removed for shipping. They stick out and most any impact to the face causes the  nylon posts to snap. It is a common fix as Grahams post shows. Same for ZX-7/9 where the door protrudes. Sorry. Make a claim. Perry Esposito - From my phone ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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After this half way step they did cover the amplifier again with plastic and fill in PU-form again between the amp and the box. The amplifier did arrive perfect. The PU-form has to be dry before closing the box!! The classic Naka transport needs that or 3 to 4 inches of air bubble. The attached photo was made by the seller. regards Gerhard -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. El 03/08/2011, a las 18:23, kannan srinivasaraghavan escribió: > remove the cassette cover ( I even fix a Cardboard plate thick enough to cover above/ around the cassette well lamp part that still protrudes out of the front plate) From mark8559 at hotmail.com Thu Aug 4 01:11:36 2011 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 17:11:36 -0600 Subject: FW: [naktalk] FW: 480 Won't Play (Mark Exstedt) In-Reply-To: References: <000f01cc5053$c84d0460$58e70d20$@iPrimus.com.au>, Message-ID: Silly me.This issue of a 480 not playing was the fact that all I had to do was to keep it plugged in for a few hours and later it played.I took it off Ebay and will give a shot at fixing the broken eject cable piece in which the cassette door will not open.Sorry to bother the group. Next time I'll be more carefull. Off line: I have an Nak OMS-4A and a CD-4 CD player. Which one is the one to keep? From: mark8559 at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 10:03:50 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] FW: 480 Won't Play (Mark Exstedt) Thank you so much John (and other members) for responding. I believe your statements are correct. However, I have determined to placed the deck on Ebay (U.S. sales only). Didn't want the deck to take up too much of my time and presently have too much gear to get rid of. Lately I've been enjoying the Nak 500 cassette deck. That was a simple fix (connections). Great sounding deck! http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-480-Cassette-Deck-w-Boxes-Manual-Minty-/160630051353?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item25664c1219 > From: JohnGipps at iPrimus.com.au > To: naktalk at naks.com > CC: mark8559 at hotmail.com > Subject: 480 Won't Play (Mark Exstedt) > Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 00:03:25 +1000 > > Hi Mark > > In a 480, the reel motor is driven in REW by Q402, in FF by Q413, and in > Play by Q414. Q414 and its associated circuitry act as a current source and > provide considerably less drive to the reel motor in Play, than it receives > in FF. If FF and REW are ok, then the reel motor itself is obviously ok, and > the problem is likely to be Q414. Q414 is a PNP transistor type 2SB564. > Since the capstans are rotating when Play is requested, then a good part of > the logic (which is discrete) for Play is also working. So the first parts > to check are Q414, Q415, R437 (27 Ohm), and D414. > > Regards > > John Gipps > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 08:10:46 -0600 > From: Mark Exstedt > Subject: [naktalk] 480 Won't Play > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > FF and Rewind is fine.Upon play, the transport goes up, but the drive motor > is not turning (as it does in FF and Rewind).Any suggestions? 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Name: ATT00001 URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 4 02:30:29 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 17:30:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] FW: 480 Won't Play (Mark Exstedt) In-Reply-To: References: <000f01cc5053$c84d0460$58e70d20$@iPrimus.com.au>, Message-ID: <1312417829.25807.YahooMailNeo@web160618.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hi Mark, I have two of the CD-4 players and they are decent, robust players. The OMS series however, are better and definitely a keeper. It has two of the PCM 54 DACs and the 5 and 7 just get better. However, parts are scarce for the OMS series. The CD-4 laser assemblies (KSS-211A?) can still be obtained brand new if tried. Regards, Bala ________________________________ From: Mark Exstedt To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2011 9:11 AM Subject: FW: [naktalk] FW: 480 Won't Play (Mark Exstedt) Silly me. This issue of a 480 not playing was the fact that all I had to do was to keep it plugged in for a few hours and later it played. I took it off Ebay and will give a shot at fixing the broken eject cable piece in which the cassette door will not open. Sorry to bother the group. Next time I'll be more carefull. Off line: I have an Nak OMS-4A and a CD-4 CD player. Which one is the one to keep?   ________________________________ From: mark8559 at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 10:03:50 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] FW: 480 Won't Play (Mark Exstedt) Thank you so much John (and other members) for responding. I believe your statements are correct. However, I have determined to placed the deck on Ebay (U.S. sales only). Didn't want the deck to take up too much of my time and presently have too much gear to get rid of. Lately I've been enjoying the Nak 500 cassette deck. That was a simple fix (connections). Great sounding deck!   http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-480-Cassette-Deck-w-Boxes-Manual-Minty-/160630051353?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item25664c1219   > From: JohnGipps at iPrimus.com.au > To: naktalk at naks.com > CC: mark8559 at hotmail.com > Subject: 480 Won't Play (Mark Exstedt) > Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 00:03:25 +1000 > > Hi Mark > > In a 480, the reel motor is driven in REW by Q402, in FF by Q413, and in > Play by Q414. Q414 and its associated circuitry act as a current source and > provide considerably less drive to the reel motor in Play, than it receives > in FF. If FF and REW are ok, then the reel motor itself is obviously ok, and > the problem is likely to be Q414. Q414 is a PNP transistor type 2SB564. > Since the capstans are rotating when Play is requested, then a good part of > the logic (which is discrete) for Play is also working. So the first parts > to check are Q414, Q415, R437 (27 Ohm), and D414. > > Regards > > John Gipps > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 08:10:46 -0600 > From: Mark Exstedt > Subject: [naktalk] 480 Won't Play > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > FF and Rewind is fine.Upon play, the transport goes up, but the drive motor > is not turning (as it does in FF and Rewind).Any suggestions? The deck also > has the broken eject cable piece in which the cassette door will not open. > This problem I understand.            ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 4 03:04:35 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 18:04:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon mounting posts In-Reply-To: <2019922610-1312384852-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-185120007-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry> References: <469793473-1312371495-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2073067934-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry><1312379397.96911.YahooMailNeo@web160620.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <2019922610-1312384852-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-185120007-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <1312419875.32946.YahooMailNeo@web160618.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hi Perry, I respect your views! I ship decks with a thick card in the front along with plenty of padding and foam (peanuts, crushed paper or corrugated board) to pad the deck all around so in case of any impacts, the packaging takes the blow. It might seem overkill, but I rather be safe. On certain decks, internal bracing for the boards and top cover is a must. I used to work in installing the automatic integrated weighing and laser guided dimension measurement systems for these companies and I seen first hand how they work. We may disagree on packing but we agree on Naks and that's what matters! Cheers! Bala ________________________________ From: "perry.nak at comcast.net" To: Bala Ganesh Chandra ; naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2011 1:20 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon mounting posts Hi Bala, Sorry but I have to disagree. A simple wrap of clear plastic wrap like Saran wrap will keep the opening clean as well as prevent abrasion to the faceplate. The knobs have no impact on damaging the transport. A blow to the well cover will every time and even padding it well is often not enough. When shipped it is best to mimic the original packing which floated the deck by suspending the ends and providing a dead zone so no force can be transmitted to the face plate. Besides the original packing, (which has a cut out for the door) the easiest way to do this is to wrap each end with enough bubble wrap (with the door removed) so the ends are tight in the box but that there is at least two inches of air space all around, like a short fat dumbbell. In addition, when I ship a Dragon I insert 2 triangular folded tubes of cardboard under the top cover to brace the main board from moving and breaking or cracking the right rear corner, a very common damage, and the other wedges behind the transport and braced it to the back wall so it can't be forced rear ward by momentum. Perry Esposito - From my phone ________________________________ From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 06:49:57 -0700 (PDT) To: perry.nak at comcast.net; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks ReplyTo: Bala Ganesh Chandra Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon mounting posts Hi Perry, The well cover should be in place to ensure that the transport and its innards are protected. However, as the front of the deck is fragile due to knobs, switches and other features, it is important to cover this with layers of bubble sheet and some hard material (like a piece of carton or Styrofoam material). The Dragon is an extreme example thanks to its many buttons/knobs and not very solid built. It needs all the protection it can get to stand the punishment of transit.  Cheers! Bala ----- Original Message ----- From: "perry.nak at comcast.net" To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 9:38 PM Subject: [naktalk] Dragon mounting posts I always specify and request that the well cover be removed for shipping. They stick out and most any impact to the face causes the  nylon posts to snap. It is a common fix as Grahams post shows. Same for ZX-7/9 where the door protrudes. Sorry. Make a claim. Perry Esposito - From my phone ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 4 07:14:19 2011 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (Ram) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 01:14:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] FW: 480 Won't Play (Mark Exstedt) In-Reply-To: References: <000f01cc5053$c84d0460$58e70d20$@iPrimus.com.au> Message-ID: <5C6FE12E-3C65-4F9E-80C3-2B2476835B9D@yahoo.com> Smart move man. This is a superb sounding two head deck and it records great too. Just picked up my 480(donated to me via Naktalk ) from Willy(small service) and it is just silk sounding. No one believes it is a cassette deck playing. ....and on that Dragon post repair, please follow Willy's instructions on the wiki pages. It works. finally, a word on the Dragon packing......I have received many well bubble wrapped Dragons's with broken door wells(4 to be precise)...the best thing is to pack well, double box and hope and pray for the best.......I have never lost a Dragon due to this well injury yet. Sincerely, Ram. On Aug 3, 2011, at 7:11 PM, Mark Exstedt wrote: > Silly me. > This issue of a 480 not playing was the fact that all I had to do was to keep it plugged in for a few hours and later it played. > I took it off Ebay and will give a shot at fixing the broken eject cable piece in which the cassette door will not open. > Sorry to bother the group. Next time I'll be more carefull. > > Off line: I have an Nak OMS-4A and a CD-4 CD player. Which one is the one to keep? > > From: mark8559 at hotmail.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 10:03:50 -0600 > Subject: [naktalk] FW: 480 Won't Play (Mark Exstedt) > > Thank you so much John (and other members) for responding. > I believe your statements are correct. However, I have determined to placed the deck on Ebay (U.S. sales only). > Didn't want the deck to take up too much of my time and presently have too much gear to get rid of. > Lately I've been enjoying the Nak 500 cassette deck. That was a simple fix (connections). Great sounding deck! > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-480-Cassette-Deck-w-Boxes-Manual-Minty-/160630051353?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item25664c1219 > > > From: JohnGipps at iPrimus.com.au > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > CC: mark8559 at hotmail.com > > Subject: 480 Won't Play (Mark Exstedt) > > Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 00:03:25 +1000 > > > > Hi Mark > > > > In a 480, the reel motor is driven in REW by Q402, in FF by Q413, and in > > Play by Q414. Q414 and its associated circuitry act as a current source and > > provide considerably less drive to the reel motor in Play, than it receives > > in FF. If FF and REW are ok, then the reel motor itself is obviously ok, and > > the problem is likely to be Q414. Q414 is a PNP transistor type 2SB564. > > Since the capstans are rotating when Play is requested, then a good part of > > the logic (which is discrete) for Play is also working. So the first parts > > to check are Q414, Q415, R437 (27 Ohm), and D414. > > > > Regards > > > > John Gipps > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 08:10:46 -0600 > > From: Mark Exstedt > > Subject: [naktalk] 480 Won't Play > > To: > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > FF and Rewind is fine.Upon play, the transport goes up, but the drive motor > > is not turning (as it does in FF and Rewind).Any suggestions? The deck also > > has the broken eject cable piece in which the cassette door will not open. > > This problem I understand. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adrian at mechner.net Thu Aug 4 01:56:18 2011 From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 16:56:18 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] FW: 480 Won't Play (Mark Exstedt) In-Reply-To: References: <000f01cc5053$c84d0460$58e70d20$@iPrimus.com.au>, Message-ID: <00ae01cc5238$f08117a0$d18346e0$@net> None! These are as good as Sony cassette decks. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Mark Exstedt Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 4:12 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: FW: [naktalk] FW: 480 Won't Play (Mark Exstedt) Silly me. This issue of a 480 not playing was the fact that all I had to do was to keep it plugged in for a few hours and later it played. I took it off Ebay and will give a shot at fixing the broken eject cable piece in which the cassette door will not open. Sorry to bother the group. Next time I'll be more carefull. Off line: I have an Nak OMS-4A and a CD-4 CD player. Which one is the one to keep? _____ From: mark8559 at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 10:03:50 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] FW: 480 Won't Play (Mark Exstedt) Thank you so much John (and other members) for responding. I believe your statements are correct. However, I have determined to placed the deck on Ebay (U.S. sales only). Didn't want the deck to take up too much of my time and presently have too much gear to get rid of. Lately I've been enjoying the Nak 500 cassette deck. That was a simple fix (connections). Great sounding deck! http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-480-Cassette-Deck-w-Boxes-Manual-Minty-/160630 051353?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2 &hash=item25664c1219 > From: JohnGipps at iPrimus.com.au > To: naktalk at naks.com > CC: mark8559 at hotmail.com > Subject: 480 Won't Play (Mark Exstedt) > Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 00:03:25 +1000 > > Hi Mark > > In a 480, the reel motor is driven in REW by Q402, in FF by Q413, and in > Play by Q414. Q414 and its associated circuitry act as a current source and > provide considerably less drive to the reel motor in Play, than it receives > in FF. If FF and REW are ok, then the reel motor itself is obviously ok, and > the problem is likely to be Q414. Q414 is a PNP transistor type 2SB564. > Since the capstans are rotating when Play is requested, then a good part of > the logic (which is discrete) for Play is also working. So the first parts > to check are Q414, Q415, R437 (27 Ohm), and D414. > > Regards > > John Gipps > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 08:10:46 -0600 > From: Mark Exstedt > Subject: [naktalk] 480 Won't Play > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > FF and Rewind is fine.Upon play, the transport goes up, but the drive motor > is not turning (as it does in FF and Rewind).Any suggestions? The deck also > has the broken eject cable piece in which the cassette door will not open. > This problem I understand. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From perry.nak at comcast.net Thu Aug 4 13:26:41 2011 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 11:26:41 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Broken Dragon posts Message-ID: <1052999856-1312457327-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-891161169-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry> Kannan, Yes, it kills me when I read about this type of shipping damage and then they want it shipped back so it gets finished off and totally destroyed! Do not they understand the concept of "some damage but repairable" vs destroyed! I have suggested to eBay that they have a prominent section featuring correct packaging with pictures and pictures of disasters as that just HAS to be a major source of claims and costs due to disputes for them. It would be a win-win for sellers and buyers alike, but of course no response. So many people are really clueless about how to properly pack electronics, with turntables at the top of the list. Perry Esposito - From my phone From N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net Thu Aug 4 14:22:38 2011 From: N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net (N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 14:22:38 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL hangs in eq calibration Message-ID: <4252.145.44.29.96.1312460558.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> Hi Naktalkers, I have a 1000ZXL with problems going through the calibration. The calibration of the bias would succeed but after that the eq calibration starts flashing the Right channel and doesn't stop with flashing. Any clue on this one? Regards Norman From mark8559 at hotmail.com Thu Aug 4 22:18:48 2011 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 14:18:48 -0600 Subject: FW: [naktalk] Nak CD-4 CD Player In-Reply-To: <1312417829.25807.YahooMailNeo@web160618.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <000f01cc5053$c84d0460$58e70d20$@iPrimus.com.au>, , <1312417829.25807.YahooMailNeo@web160618.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks so much for your info Bala. It's great being a member of this friendly group.I went ahead and did an A/B comparison test to the CD-4 and the OMS-4A.OMS-4A was clearly the winner in sound. The CD-4 has a better far distance readable display. Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 17:30:29 -0700 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] FW: 480 Won't Play (Mark Exstedt) To: naktalk at naks.com CC: mark8559 at hotmail.com Hi Mark, I have two of the CD-4 players and they are decent, robust players. The OMS series however, are better and definitely a keeper. It has two of the PCM 54 DACs and the 5 and 7 just get better. However, parts are scarce for the OMS series. The CD-4 laser assemblies (KSS-211A?) can still be obtained brand new if tried. Regards, Bala From: Mark Exstedt To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2011 9:11 AM Subject: FW: [naktalk] FW: 480 Won't Play (Mark Exstedt) Off line: I have an Nak OMS-4A and a CD-4 CD player. Which one is the one to keep? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark8559 at hotmail.com Thu Aug 4 22:33:30 2011 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 14:33:30 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] FW: 480 Won't Play In-Reply-To: <5C6FE12E-3C65-4F9E-80C3-2B2476835B9D@yahoo.com> References: <000f01cc5053$c84d0460$58e70d20$@iPrimus.com.au>, , , <5C6FE12E-3C65-4F9E-80C3-2B2476835B9D@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ya Ram, this 480 sounds great. Just like the 480 I sold last year.Playing 'I Threw Away the Rose' by Merle Haggard, I never heard the violin come in so strong and so detailed!There's a little something magical about the 480. From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] FW: 480 Won't Play (Mark Exstedt) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 01:14:19 -0400 To: naktalk at naks.com Smart move man. This is a superb sounding two head deck and it records great too. Just picked up my 480(donated to me via Naktalk ) from Willy(small service) and it is just silk sounding. No one believes it is a cassette deck playing. ....and on that Dragon post repair, please follow Willy's instructions on the wiki pages. It works. finally, a word on the Dragon packing......I have received many well bubble wrapped Dragons's with broken door wells(4 to be precise)...the best thing is to pack well, double box and hope and pray for the best.......I have never lost a Dragon due to this well injury yet. Sincerely, Ram. On Aug 3, 2011, at 7:11 PM, Mark Exstedt wrote: Silly me. This issue of a 480 not playing was the fact that all I had to do was to keep it plugged in for a few hours and later it played. I took it off Ebay and will give a shot at fixing the broken eject cable piece in which the cassette door will not open. Sorry to bother the group. Next time I'll be more carefull. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: ATT00001 URL: From valkriye30 at yahoo.com.au Thu Aug 4 23:36:10 2011 From: valkriye30 at yahoo.com.au (John Doe) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 14:36:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL hangs in eq calibration Message-ID: <1312493770.47893.yint-ygo-j2me@web121207.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Hi Norman, Are there any batteries in the deck? If there are, try removing them and resetting the computer by pressing Preset buttons A, B, C and D together. Also ensure that the deck is calibrated. One other thing I can think os substituting the Rec eq board. Cheers Bala On Thu, 04 Aug 2011 22:22 EST N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net wrote: >Hi Naktalkers, > >I have a 1000ZXL with problems going through the calibration. The >calibration of the bias would succeed but after that the eq calibration >starts flashing the Right channel and doesn't stop with flashing. > >Any clue on this one? > >Regards Norman > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From luis at peromarta.org Fri Aug 5 11:02:14 2011 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:02:14 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL hangs in eq calibration In-Reply-To: <1312493770.47893.yint-ygo-j2me@web121207.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1312493770.47893.yint-ygo-j2me@web121207.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes, but make sure it is fully calibrated first! Sent from iPad. Pls excuse typos. El 04/08/2011, a las 23:36, John Doe escribió: > Hi Norman, > > Are there any batteries in the deck? If there are, try removing them and resetting the computer by pressing Preset buttons A, B, C and D together. Also ensure that the deck is calibrated. One other thing I can think os substituting the Rec eq board. > > Cheers > Bala > > On Thu, 04 Aug 2011 22:22 EST N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net wrote: > >> Hi Naktalkers, >> >> I have a 1000ZXL with problems going through the calibration. The >> calibration of the bias would succeed but after that the eq calibration >> starts flashing the Right channel and doesn't stop with flashing. >> >> Any clue on this one? >> >> Regards Norman >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 5 11:15:06 2011 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (Ram) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 05:15:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL hangs in eq calibration In-Reply-To: <1312493770.47893.yint-ygo-j2me@web121207.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1312493770.47893.yint-ygo-j2me@web121207.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi John, In my experience, you need the entire deck aligned by a professional, other than opening the deck up and reseating the 4 boards after removing them. Removing batteries et al will do nothing for the decks EQ capability. Have tried those many many times to no avail. Willy Hermann and ESL are good places to have the deck serviced.the choice will depend upon your budget and need. Best of luck. Ram. On Aug 4, 2011, at 5:36 PM, John Doe > On Thu, 04 Aug 2011 22:22 EST N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net wrote: > >> Hi Naktalkers, >> >> I have a 1000ZXL with problems going through the calibration. The >> calibration of the bias would succeed but after that the eq calibration >> starts flashing the Right channel and doesn't stop with flashing. >> >> Any clue on this one? >> >> Regards Norman >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Fri Aug 5 11:17:22 2011 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:17:22 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL hangs in eq calibration In-Reply-To: <1312493770.47893.yint-ygo-j2me@web121207.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1312493770.47893.yint-ygo-j2me@web121207.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000301cc5350$7d5d5720$78180560$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Hi Bala, I removed the batteries and did the trick with the A B C and D buttons together and did a reset of the computer as you mentioned. This machine would go through the bias calibration and one time it goes through the eq calibration of the right channel and goes even through the level cal of the right channnel but then stucks in calibration of the left channel eq calibration. Weird behaviour. Maybe i have to focus on the REC EQ board. This machine has already replacements for the orange caps so that would not be the case. To be continued i guess. Regards Norman -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens John Doe Verzonden: donderdag 4 augustus 2011 23:36 Aan: naktalk at naks.com Onderwerp: Re: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL hangs in eq calibration Hi Norman, Are there any batteries in the deck? If there are, try removing them and resetting the computer by pressing Preset buttons A, B, C and D together. Also ensure that the deck is calibrated. One other thing I can think os substituting the Rec eq board. Cheers Bala On Thu, 04 Aug 2011 22:22 EST N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net wrote: >Hi Naktalkers, > >I have a 1000ZXL with problems going through the calibration. The >calibration of the bias would succeed but after that the eq calibration >starts flashing the Right channel and doesn't stop with flashing. > >Any clue on this one? > >Regards Norman > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Fri Aug 5 14:06:55 2011 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:06:55 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL hangs in eq calibration In-Reply-To: References: <1312493770.47893.yint-ygo-j2me@web121207.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000e01cc5368$2ba3c8c0$82eb5a40$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Hi all, Yes you are all completely right, i will have to calibrate First. I was hoping for a quick win but calibration has to be done anyway so i will go for that. We keep in touch, Regards Norman -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens Luis Peromarta Regert Verzonden: vrijdag 5 augustus 2011 11:02 Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks CC: naktalk at naks.com Onderwerp: Re: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL hangs in eq calibration Yes, but make sure it is fully calibrated first! Sent from iPad. Pls excuse typos. El 04/08/2011, a las 23:36, John Doe escribió: > Hi Norman, > > Are there any batteries in the deck? If there are, try removing them and resetting the computer by pressing Preset buttons A, B, C and D together. Also ensure that the deck is calibrated. One other thing I can think os substituting the Rec eq board. > > Cheers > Bala > > On Thu, 04 Aug 2011 22:22 EST N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net wrote: > >> Hi Naktalkers, >> >> I have a 1000ZXL with problems going through the calibration. The >> calibration of the bias would succeed but after that the eq calibration >> starts flashing the Right channel and doesn't stop with flashing. >> >> Any clue on this one? >> >> Regards Norman >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From perry.nak at comcast.net Fri Aug 5 22:44:59 2011 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 20:44:59 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 serial numbers greater than 10000 and less than 13000 Message-ID: <333986980.340469.1312577099045.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Can anyone tell me their build date on their CR-7 between 10000 and 13000? I have 2 CR-7s here and the 13000 one is 2nd qtr '89 and the 10000 one is last quarter '87.  Less than 3000 CR-7 decks in 1 1/2 years seems wrong to me, but I'm probably all wet on this.  Just thought I'd ask. The 10000 one has the idler tire, and I thought the tires were gone earlier than that.  Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gtsdave at bellsouth.net Sat Aug 6 15:57:42 2011 From: gtsdave at bellsouth.net (gtsdave) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 09:57:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL hangs in eq calibration In-Reply-To: <000301cc5350$7d5d5720$78180560$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Message-ID: First, clean the heads and do a demag. Then try a different tape formulation. If you still have a problem, try reseating the rec and playback boards. If still a problem, find out how to adjust to dc offset. That was my problem at one time. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Norman van Wijnen [mailto:n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net] Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 5:17 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL hangs in eq calibration Hi Bala, I removed the batteries and did the trick with the A B C and D buttons together and did a reset of the computer as you mentioned. This machine would go through the bias calibration and one time it goes through the eq calibration of the right channel and goes even through the level cal of the right channnel but then stucks in calibration of the left channel eq calibration. Weird behaviour. Maybe i have to focus on the REC EQ board. This machine has already replacements for the orange caps so that would not be the case. To be continued i guess. Regards Norman -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens John Doe Verzonden: donderdag 4 augustus 2011 23:36 Aan: naktalk at naks.com Onderwerp: Re: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL hangs in eq calibration Hi Norman, Are there any batteries in the deck? If there are, try removing them and resetting the computer by pressing Preset buttons A, B, C and D together. Also ensure that the deck is calibrated. One other thing I can think os substituting the Rec eq board. Cheers Bala On Thu, 04 Aug 2011 22:22 EST N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net wrote: >Hi Naktalkers, > >I have a 1000ZXL with problems going through the calibration. The >calibration of the bias would succeed but after that the eq calibration >starts flashing the Right channel and doesn't stop with flashing. > >Any clue on this one? > >Regards Norman > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From uraldurusu at ttmail.com Sun Aug 7 15:24:06 2011 From: uraldurusu at ttmail.com (Ural Durusu) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 16:24:06 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Power Problem Message-ID: <5320BBE536C44803939634C10E4EF758@surdokmdnb> Hello, Is there a thermal interlock at the power switch? When the deck is warm after one ore more playback hours, if I power off then power on, power switch does not click and lock. It locks after the deck is cooled down. I ve opened the top cover and blew air on to the power switch board and instantly lock the power switch. What can I do for this? Regards, Ural Durusu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pbtanner at hotmail.com Tue Aug 9 18:17:40 2011 From: pbtanner at hotmail.com (Peter Tanner) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 16:17:40 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 581 stops Message-ID: Hello, I have a 581 which occasionally goes into stop mode before the end of the tape. It doesn't happen with all tapes but happens frequently enough to be irritating. When put back into the play mode after the stop it plays the tape normally to the end. Has anyone encountered this problem? Or know the reason for it? Thanks Peter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Aug 9 20:54:47 2011 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 11:54:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Power Problem In-Reply-To: <5320BBE536C44803939634C10E4EF758@surdokmdnb> References: <5320BBE536C44803939634C10E4EF758@surdokmdnb> Message-ID: <1312916087.75861.YahooMailNeo@web160709.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> It is not caused by Power switch - probably some component in the Power Supply regulator in the dragon might be causing this - you can use a DMM to monitor AC voltage after the Switch and verify . same way you can monitor the AC output of the Transformer as well as the DC side to locate the source of the problem Kannan From: Ural Durusu To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2011 8:24 AM Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Power Problem Hello, Is there a thermal interlock at the power switch? When the deck is warm after one ore more playback hours, if I power off then power on, power switch does not click and lock. It locks after the deck is cooled down. I ve opened the top cover and blew air on to the power switch board and instantly lock the power switch. What can I do for this?   Regards,   Ural Durusu ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark8559 at hotmail.com Tue Aug 9 21:29:41 2011 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 13:29:41 -0600 Subject: FW: [naktalk] 581 stops In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Is it stoping at the same point regardless of whether you use a 60, 90, or 110/120 minute cassette?From: pbtanner at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 16:17:40 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 581 stops Hello, I have a 581 which occasionally goes into stop mode before the end of the tape. It doesn't happen with all tapes but happens frequently enough to be irritating. When put back into the play mode after the stop it plays the tape normally to the end. Has anyone encountered this problem? Or know the reason for it? Thanks Peter ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: ATT00001 URL: From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com Tue Aug 9 21:50:07 2011 From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 21:50:07 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 581 stops In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <34F4F40E-9497-4B49-966E-F6ACAB7C4A53@gmail.com> First you can check the shut off mechanism belt. Is is the long belt right behind the cassette department. regards G Am 09.08.2011 um 18:17 schrieb Peter Tanner: > Hello, > > I have a 581 which occasionally goes into stop mode before the end > of the tape. It doesn't happen with all tapes but happens > frequently enough to be irritating. When put back into the play > mode after the stop it plays the tape normally to the end. Has > anyone encountered this problem? Or know the reason for it? Thanks > > Peter > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Tue Aug 9 21:57:17 2011 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 12:57:17 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Power Problem In-Reply-To: <5320BBE536C44803939634C10E4EF758@surdokmdnb> References: <5320BBE536C44803939634C10E4EF758@surdokmdnb> Message-ID: No - no thermal interlock. It's just a regular switch which in your Dragon is failing. Willy 2011/8/7 Ural Durusu > ** > Hello, Is there a thermal interlock at the power switch? When the deck is > warm after one ore more playback hours, if I power off then power on, power > switch does not click and lock. It locks after the deck is cooled down. I ve > opened the top cover and blew air on to the power switch board and instantly > lock the power switch. What can I do for this? > > Regards, > > Ural Durusu > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks   Peter  -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From valkriye30 at yahoo.com.au Wed Aug 10 02:13:29 2011 From: valkriye30 at yahoo.com.au (John Doe) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 17:13:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Power Problem In-Reply-To: <5320BBE536C44803939634C10E4EF758@surdokmdnb> References: <5320BBE536C44803939634C10E4EF758@surdokmdnb> Message-ID: <1312935209.39975.YahooMailNeo@web121202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Hi Ural, Does this happen in regular cycles or was this a once off instance? The could be a chance that the heat is causing the power switch to fail. Regards ________________________________ From: Ural Durusu To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, 7 August 2011 11:24 PM Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Power Problem Hello, Is there a thermal interlock at the power switch? When the deck is warm after one ore more playback hours, if I power off then power on, power switch does not click and lock. It locks after the deck is cooled down. I ve opened the top cover and blew air on to the power switch board and instantly lock the power switch. What can I do for this?   Regards,   Ural Durusu ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark8559 at hotmail.com Thu Aug 11 05:46:02 2011 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 21:46:02 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Leaking Capacitors - slightly offline In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Can somebody advise me of leaking capacitors. I was told this is sometimes a problem with the Nak 600 series amp pop can size capacitors.The picture shows a Yamaha C-45 preamp (which I believe) had a leaking capacitor problem. I thought the leaking stuff would be gooey, but it's rock hard (I'm assuming it was gooey at first).Questions:Will the sound deteriorate on all leaking capacitor problems?Is repairing the problem expensive?Thanks. (picked up my 5th BX-300 today, Minty!) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: capacitors.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 15358 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Thu Aug 11 07:06:17 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 19:06:17 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Leaking Capacitors - slightly offline In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: I had a leaky cap on my analog/digital CD recorder. The functions that used the cap quit working properly -- that was the first hint that something was wrong. The leak also damaged the main board as the acid damaged the traces and thru-hole circuits. I had to perform microsurgery on ALL of the thru-holes within about a 2-inch diameter of the leak and repair numerous traces. On the CD recorder the leak itself wasn't even eye visible -- and the corrosion damage wasn't either. That particular cap was known to fail and cause this sort of damage. Someone who had made this repair to many of these decks advised me of which cap to remove and how to fix the main board. The deck has worked fine since the surgery. At least remove the leaky caps ASAP. Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Mark Exstedt Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 5:46 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Leaking Capacitors - slightly offline Can somebody advise me of leaking capacitors. I was told this is sometimes a problem with the Nak 600 series amp pop can size capacitors. The picture shows a Yamaha C-45 preamp (which I believe) had a leaking capacitor problem. I thought the leaking stuff would be gooey, but it's rock hard (I'm assuming it was gooey at first). Questions: Will the sound deteriorate on all leaking capacitor problems? Is repairing the problem expensive? Thanks. (picked up my 5th BX-300 today, Minty!) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Thu Aug 11 07:13:54 2011 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 22:13:54 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Leaking Capacitors - slightly offline In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Mark - What you're looking at is not a failed capacitor. Many Japanese manufacturers during that era used an adhesive on the capacitors so they wouldn't be sheared off the circuit board by violent shipping. It was discovered that the adhesive starts out white and with heat and age turns darker. The only problem is that the darker it turns the more conductive it becomes and the stuff was laid over the bases of capacitors and adjacent components so it can cause all kinds of problems. You should chip it off with a small probe or screwdriver, especially where it has flowed over the legs of other components but don't worry about it being liquid from the capacitors. Willy On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Mark Exstedt wrote: > > Can somebody advise me of leaking capacitors. I was told this is sometimes > a problem with the Nak 600 series amp pop can size capacitors. > The picture shows a Yamaha C-45 preamp (which I believe) had a leaking > capacitor problem. I thought the leaking stuff would be gooey, but it's rock > hard (I'm assuming it was gooey at first). > Questions: > Will the sound deteriorate on all leaking capacitor problems? > Is repairing the problem expensive? > Thanks. > > (picked up my 5th BX-300 today, Minty!) > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Thu Aug 11 08:24:21 2011 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 23:24:21 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Leaking Capacitors - slightly offline In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Willy is absolutely right about this. Not only can the infamous "brown glue" conduct electricity, it is highly corrosive! It eats jumpers and component leads. So yes, chip it away. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * Hi Mark > > What you're looking at is not a failed capacitor. Many Japanese > manufacturers during that era used an adhesive on the capacitors so they > wouldn't be sheared off the circuit board by violent shipping. It was > discovered that the adhesive starts out white and with heat and age turns > darker. The only problem is that the darker it turns the more conductive it > becomes and the stuff was laid over the bases of capacitors and adjacent > components so it can cause all kinds of problems. You should chip it off > with a small probe or screwdriver, especially where it has flowed over the > legs of other components but don't worry about it being liquid from the > capacitors. > > Willy > > On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Mark Exstedt wrote: > >> >> Can somebody advise me of leaking capacitors. I was told this is sometimes >> a problem with the Nak 600 series amp pop can size capacitors. >> The picture shows a Yamaha C-45 preamp (which I believe) had a leaking >> capacitor problem. I thought the leaking stuff would be gooey, but it's rock >> hard (I'm assuming it was gooey at first). >> Questions: >> Will the sound deteriorate on all leaking capacitor problems? >> Is repairing the problem expensive? >> Thanks. >> >> (picked up my 5th BX-300 today, Minty!) >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You should chip it off with a small probe or screwdriver, especially where it has flowed over the legs of other components but don't worry about it being liquid from the capacitors. Willy On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Mark Exstedt wrote: Can somebody advise me of leaking capacitors. I was told this is sometimes a problem with the Nak 600 series amp pop can size capacitors. The picture shows a Yamaha C-45 preamp (which I believe) had a leaking capacitor problem. I thought the leaking stuff would be gooey, but it's rock hard (I'm assuming it was gooey at first). Questions:Will the sound deteriorate on all leaking capacitor problems?Is repairing the problem expensive?Thanks. (picked up my 5th BX-300 today, Minty!) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: ATT00001 URL: From adrian at mechner.net Tue Aug 9 22:06:57 2011 From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 13:06:57 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Power Problem In-Reply-To: <5320BBE536C44803939634C10E4EF758@surdokmdnb> References: <5320BBE536C44803939634C10E4EF758@surdokmdnb> Message-ID: <00a001cc56cf$e4e45510$aeacff30$@net> In my opinion as an engineer, even so I don't know about this particularly heat protection, I would do this: The heat protections which click usually are bimetal ones. That means it's a reaction of the material it's made of. The malfunction in time is called material fatigue. This can generate different values at which it shuts off (reacts to heat). No big deal; I would simply eliminate it since I know my deck works just fine. On the other hand, if the protection works fine, the must be suddenly a heat source... This would mean that some part is starting to heat up (very common for this decks). I would try first of all to find the heat source and go from there. If you say that the all around temperature is normal, I would eliminate the protection or find a replacement. Take care, Adrian From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ural Durusu Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 6:24 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Power Problem Hello, Is there a thermal interlock at the power switch? When the deck is warm after one ore more playback hours, if I power off then power on, power switch does not click and lock. It locks after the deck is cooled down. I ve opened the top cover and blew air on to the power switch board and instantly lock the power switch. What can I do for this? Regards, Ural Durusu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have got to the early stages of electrical alignments, and after adjusting the 400Hz oscillator for 100mV on the left and right test points and then calibrating the display units to read 0dB with 100mV with an input signal, I noticed something strange with the display unit on one of the decks. When I have the 'Cal' position selected, I have a good steady reading on the fluro display smack on 0dB, but if I happen to put the transport into play mode (with no tape in the transport) the meters for both left and right show wildly erratic sub readings below the 0dB mark. To keep this post as short as possible, I will say that I have tracked this down to an erroneous signal coming into the switch PCB from the azimuth detection circuit on the logic board. This is the circuit that creates the two sub-cursors that come up and approach the right most point of the display during a real auto-azimuth alignment process. I can see total erratic signals on L29 during play mode and it settles down again in stop mode. If I ground this signal out, the meters go back to steady normal readings in 'Cal' mode and with play mode selected. Has anyone come across this before or can anyone suggest a possible cause? I have proved it is not the display unit itself, and also that all of the switch contacts on every switch on the switch PCB are working and correct. I would love to have a basic theory of operation of the phase detection circuit on the logic PCB as I am finding the circuit diagram alone not enough. I am signal tracing between both decks (this helps a lot) but still can't put a finger on the cause. Sorry for the long post :) Regards David avss01 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards ________________________________ From: Ural Durusu To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, 7 August 2011 11:24 PM Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Power Problem Hello, Is there a thermal interlock at the power switch? When the deck is warm after one ore more playback hours, if I power off then power on, power switch does not click and lock. It locks after the deck is cooled down. I ve opened the top cover and blew air on to the power switch board and instantly lock the power switch. What can I do for this? Regards, Ural Durusu ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 13:53:51 -0700 From: ronami at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] 581 stops To: naktalk at naks.com Peter, Right after the deck incorrectly stops, is there a small loose loop of tape in the takeup side of the cassette? -- Ron --- On Tue, 8/9/11, Peter Tanner wrote: From: Peter Tanner Subject: [naktalk] 581 stops To: "naktalk naktalk" Date: Tuesday, August 9, 2011, 12:17 PM Hello, I have a 581 which occasionally goes into stop mode before the end of the tape. It doesn't happen with all tapes but happens frequently enough to be irritating. When put back into the play mode after the stop it plays the tape normally to the end. Has anyone encountered this problem? Or know the reason for it? 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URL: From bobschneider8 at comcast.net Fri Aug 12 18:38:48 2011 From: bobschneider8 at comcast.net (Bob Schneider) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 11:38:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] TM-1 Service Info Wanted Message-ID: I just bought a Nak TM-1 clock radio and TM-2 stereo speaker. Does anyone know where I could get the service manual or schematic? The files site only has a service bulletin. Thanks! From bobschneider8 at comcast.net Sat Aug 13 06:10:16 2011 From: bobschneider8 at comcast.net (Robert Schneider) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 23:10:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] TM-1 Service Info Wanted Message-ID: <4E45F928.5060508@comcast.net> Hi. I just purchased a Nakamichi TM-1 clock radio and TM-2 companion stereo speaker. Does anyone have (or know where I could get) the service manual or schematics for these units? The Nak files site only has a service bulletin about how to fix a too fast or slow clock. Thanks! From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Sat Aug 13 20:36:40 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 08:36:40 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] 581 stops before the end of the tape In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Peter, Have you checked the technical docs on the wiki? There are 2 docs that might apply. NR-0036 580/581/582 Countermeasure for Unexpected Shut-off in Playing or Recording 5/16/79 1 download NR-0037 580/581/582 Countermeasure for Unexpected Shut-off in Playing or Recording 8/20/79 2 download Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Peter Tanner Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 11:39 AM To: naktalk naktalk Subject: [naktalk] 581 stops before the end of the tape Thanks for your response Ron, Gerhard and Mark re this 581 stopping unexpectedly. The stop mechanism belt is new. I have not tried C60 tapes but 90 and 100 show the same symptom. About 5 minutes before the tape ends the deck stops. It happens erratically, one out 3 tapes, and particularly on tapes that have been played on other decks before or tapes that have had sections fast forwarded. Once the play button is pressed again the tapes play all the way to the end. Fast forward and rewind are good and the idler tire, though not new, seems to be fine. Guide height and head height and azimuth are set up to Nak specs. Thanks again Peter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark8559 at hotmail.com Sun Aug 14 03:52:24 2011 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 19:52:24 -0600 Subject: FW: [naktalk] Leaking Capacitors - slightly offline In-Reply-To: References: , , , , Message-ID: I used an X-acto knife with a dull blade for the adhesive removal since many areas were tight.The knife also came in handy removing the adhesive under the smaller caps.Adhesive was 85% hard and 15% gooey.Also used a tweezers to pick up the bigger adhesive chunks from falling into the unit.After 30 minutes, all was well.Playing the BX-300 through the repaired preamp, it sounded great.Thank you Willy and Fred for the advice.Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 23:24:21 -0700 Subject: Re: [naktalk] Leaking Capacitors - slightly offline From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Willy is absolutely right about this. Not only can the infamous "brown glue" conduct electricity, it is highly corrosive! It eats jumpers and component leads. So yes, chip it away. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * Hi Mark What you're looking at is not a failed capacitor. Many Japanese manufacturers during that era used an adhesive on the capacitors so they wouldn't be sheared off the circuit board by violent shipping. It was discovered that the adhesive starts out white and with heat and age turns darker. The only problem is that the darker it turns the more conductive it becomes and the stuff was laid over the bases of capacitors and adjacent components so it can cause all kinds of problems. You should chip it off with a small probe or screwdriver, especially where it has flowed over the legs of other components but don't worry about it being liquid from the capacitors. Willy On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Mark Exstedt wrote: Can somebody advise me of leaking capacitors. I was told this is sometimes a problem with the Nak 600 series amp pop can size capacitors. The picture shows a Yamaha C-45 preamp (which I believe) had a leaking capacitor problem. I thought the leaking stuff would be gooey, but it's rock hard (I'm assuming it was gooey at first). Questions:Will the sound deteriorate on all leaking capacitor problems?Is repairing the problem expensive?Thanks. 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It could also ne a weak or low voltage to the reel motor but that is less likely on a classic transport. Perry Esposito - From my phone From perry.nak at comcast.net Sun Aug 14 14:24:29 2011 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 12:24:29 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 581 stops before end of tape Message-ID: <1613956857-1313324669-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-136256077-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry> Nice catch Cheryl! Look at you! All expert on mechanisms now! Since I don't have any 5 series I never downloaded those so I wasn't even aware of an idler tension spring. Perry Esposito - From my phone From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Sun Aug 14 18:57:25 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 06:57:25 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] 581 stops before end of tape In-Reply-To: <1613956857-1313324669-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-136256077-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry> References: <1613956857-1313324669-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-136256077-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: I ran into the problem while fixing the 582 parts deck. With no replacement spring, I gave the existing spring a couple of twists to make it bit tighter. Then I performed the the adjustment to the shut-off assembly. It seems to be working fine now. Unfortunately, I'd kind of forgotten about the technical docs when Peter first asked about this -- but "unexpected shut-off" kept gnawing away at those dark recesses in the old brain until the final "ah-ha" moment. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of perry.nak at comcast.net Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 2:24 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 581 stops before end of tape Nice catch Cheryl! Look at you! All expert on mechanisms now! Since I don't have any 5 series I never downloaded those so I wasn't even aware of an idler tension spring. Perry Esposito - From my phone ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ronami at yahoo.com Mon Aug 15 16:07:31 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 07:07:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 581 stops In-Reply-To: <1826390438-1313324083-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-801074714-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <1313417251.26884.YahooMailClassic@web130112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This is rather rare, though possible. Obviously, there is a problem with either takeup or with the sensor system. The first thing I would do is check takeup torque (most people don't have a torque meter, but placing a finger on the takeup hub in play mode with no cassette in the well can tell a lot, provided one has an experienced finger :-) ). With insufficient torque (more common, I think), I would thoroughly clean the idler mating surfaces. In stubborn cases, I use MEK (has to be done quickly, as MEK attacks rubber, plastics and human skin. Avoid breathing the fumes -- they're not good for the lungs, either). I would also check the two issues covered by the tech notes mentioned by Cheryl. I actually ran into a sticking sensor wheel a few years back. Once I realized what was happening, it was easy to fix. -- Ron --- On Sun, 8/14/11, perry.nak at comcast.net wrote: > From: perry.nak at comcast.net > Subject: [naktalk] 581 stops > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Sunday, August 14, 2011, 8:14 AM > Normally when this happens it is a > hardened idler that is slipping and the deck stops because > the loop shows no tape take up which would indicate no take > up reel movement. No reel table movement is detected and the > dck goes into stop. It could also ne a weak or low voltage > to the reel motor but that is less likely on a classic > transport. > Perry Esposito - From my phone > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >           Also check out the wiki! > http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                 >         Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From perry.nak at comcast.net Mon Aug 15 23:02:06 2011 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 21:02:06 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Need Button for CR-7 Message-ID: <1262443043-1313442126-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-819125717-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry> I'm looking for the Fader Down button from either a CR-5 or 7, they have the same keyboard. I will purchase the whole keyboard if anyone has one for sale. Thanks! Perry Esposito - From my phone From joyell.solie at sasktel.net Sun Aug 14 04:14:16 2011 From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 20:14:16 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] test tapes Message-ID: <004b01cc5a27$defd7a40$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> I would like to purchase set of test tapes(or at least a speed reference tape). Where are we with the test tapes? who has the best ones? ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.26, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.17770) http://www.pctools.com/ ======= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From uraldurusu at ttmail.com Sun Aug 14 19:06:23 2011 From: uraldurusu at ttmail.com (Ural Durusu) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 20:06:23 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Power Problem References: <5320BBE536C44803939634C10E4EF758@surdokmdnb> <00a001cc56cf$e4e45510$aeacff30$@net> Message-ID: Thank you for all. I will take the deck to a service shop ask them to make necessary measurements which are mentioned here. Regards, Ural ----- Original Message ----- From: Adrian Mechner To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:06 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon Power Problem In my opinion as an engineer, even so I don't know about this particularly heat protection, I would do this: The heat protections which click usually are bimetal ones. That means it's a reaction of the material it's made of. The malfunction in time is called material fatigue. This can generate different values at which it shuts off (reacts to heat). No big deal; I would simply eliminate it since I know my deck works just fine. On the other hand, if the protection works fine, the must be suddenly a heat source... This would mean that some part is starting to heat up (very common for this decks). I would try first of all to find the heat source and go from there. If you say that the all around temperature is normal, I would eliminate the protection or find a replacement. Take care, Adrian From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ural Durusu Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 6:24 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Power Problem Hello, Is there a thermal interlock at the power switch? When the deck is warm after one ore more playback hours, if I power off then power on, power switch does not click and lock. It locks after the deck is cooled down. I ve opened the top cover and blew air on to the power switch board and instantly lock the power switch. What can I do for this? 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I have finally got the deck back from my technician and the problem was in the power supply section as a (Nichicon) electrolytic capacitor had "blown up" most probably during power up.... But when i tried to play a recorded tape i noticed that my right peak level meter will not work and the left one would give level measuring higher than expected (it constantly stays in the +10db area only in very low sound paths will get lower. In blank music intervals and when the deck is only powered on the left level meter will always be lit until the -35db level, (the 2 first red sections of the VU meter), i have no idea if this is normal with the BX 300 ... The deck sounds good in both channels. When I tried some recordings i noticed a few strange (?) issues: First of all the source sounds worst than the tape during monitoring (!)........ Then, the recording level distorts when the rec controls are placed over level 3 on both channels. When i played the recording on my Dragon the level meters never went over the 0 db level....Of course i would not know what the level meters on the BX would show as i made the recording using my ears... and again the right level meter is dead. I have cleaned and demagnitized the heads but i know it has nothing to do with this problem..... Any inputs of how to fix these problems will be very much appreciated, and again thank everybody who contributed in the power supply fix! From pbtanner at hotmail.com Mon Aug 15 01:36:47 2011 From: pbtanner at hotmail.com (Peter Tanner) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 23:36:47 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 581 stops before end of tape In-Reply-To: References: <1613956857-1313324669-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-136256077-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry>, Message-ID: Thanks Cheryl, also Perry, Apparently the problem was with the shut off mechanism rather than the idler tire spring. I pulled the mechanism out and found the pulley was too far from the holder. Must have gotten loose somehow. I adjusted it to the .3 to .5 mm range as per the doc you sent to me. Also the bulb was bent to the pulley almost touching it. I straightened that out and now it's playing just fine. The guy who sold me the deck had worked on it. Changed the reel motor amongst other things. I was surprised to see the motor dated to 86. I suppose while doing it he must have inadvertently done something to the shut off assembly. Anyway, it's good now, no more stops and thanks a million for those service info docs. I didn't even know they existed. Peter > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 581 stops before end of tape > Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 06:57:25 -1000 > > > I ran into the problem while fixing the 582 parts deck. > > With no replacement spring, I gave the existing spring a couple of twists to > make it bit tighter. Then I performed the the adjustment to the shut-off > assembly. It seems to be working fine now. Unfortunately, I'd kind of > forgotten about the technical docs when Peter first asked about this -- but > "unexpected shut-off" kept gnawing away at those dark recesses in the old > brain until the final "ah-ha" moment. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of perry.nak at comcast.net > Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 2:24 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] 581 stops before end of tape > > Nice catch Cheryl! Look at you! All expert on mechanisms now! 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URL: From pbtanner at hotmail.com Mon Aug 15 20:09:40 2011 From: pbtanner at hotmail.com (Peter Tanner) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:09:40 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 581 stops In-Reply-To: <1313417251.26884.YahooMailClassic@web130112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <1826390438-1313324083-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-801074714-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry>, <1313417251.26884.YahooMailClassic@web130112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Ron, that's exactly what I did. Checked the tech notes from Cheryl's email. The sensor wheel and bulb were out of adjustment. After the correction the deck plays thru all tapes without stopping. What baffled me though and still is to some extent why it was only doing it towards the end of each tape. Thanks for the suggestions. Peter > Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 07:07:31 -0700 > From: ronami at yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 581 stops > To: perry.nak at comcast.net; naktalk at naks.com > CC: > > > This is rather rare, though possible. > > Obviously, there is a problem with either takeup or > with the sensor system. The first thing I would do > is check takeup torque (most people don't have a > torque meter, but placing a finger on the takeup > hub in play mode with no cassette in the well can > tell a lot, provided one has an experienced finger > :-) ). > > With insufficient torque (more common, I think), I > would thoroughly clean the idler mating surfaces. > In stubborn cases, I use MEK (has to be done > quickly, as MEK attacks rubber, plastics and human > skin. Avoid breathing the fumes -- they're not good > for the lungs, either). > > I would also check the two issues covered by the > tech notes mentioned by Cheryl. I actually ran > into a sticking sensor wheel a few years back. > Once I realized what was happening, it was easy > to fix. > > -- Ron > > > > > --- On Sun, 8/14/11, perry.nak at comcast.net wrote: > > > From: perry.nak at comcast.net > > Subject: [naktalk] 581 stops > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Date: Sunday, August 14, 2011, 8:14 AM > > Normally when this happens it is a > > hardened idler that is slipping and the deck stops because > > the loop shows no tape take up which would indicate no take > > up reel movement. No reel table movement is detected and the > > dck goes into stop. 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URL: From hockeyeast at yahoo.com Tue Aug 16 07:01:26 2011 From: hockeyeast at yahoo.com (Rich) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 01:01:26 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dead zx-9 Message-ID: <15824830-72EE-4FCC-958A-28DE7DAACD65@yahoo.com> Finally got my zx-9 and was loving it. Played some tapes and was doing a recording. Got one-half of a side done, flipped it over to continue.I Let it record until I noticed it had stopped. It won't play when you push play now. If you hit the play button without a tape the top on the right spins(ff&rewind), but the cap on the bottom won't. Belts look ok, so I am hoping it's not a motor. Don't know alot about this. Fuses look ok too. I already have a 680 at eslabs and it looks like this one might have to make a trip too. Your thoughts. Sent from my iPhone From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Wed Aug 17 22:01:11 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 10:01:11 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] 581 stops before end of tape In-Reply-To: References: <1613956857-1313324669-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-136256077-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry>, Message-ID: Cool! The decks that folks worked on and gave up on, then sold on ebay, seem to come with extra problems up to and including additional caps soldered into circuits to try and address failures. The 582 I got seemed like just a belt problem to begin with....YIKES! The wiki has a lot of good information for DIYers. Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Peter Tanner Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 1:37 PM To: naktalk naktalk Subject: RE: [naktalk] 581 stops before end of tape Thanks Cheryl, also Perry, Apparently the problem was with the shut off mechanism rather than the idler tire spring. I pulled the mechanism out and found the pulley was too far from the holder. Must have gotten loose somehow. I adjusted it to the .3 to .5 mm range as per the doc you sent to me. Also the bulb was bent to the pulley almost touching it. I straightened that out and now it's playing just fine. The guy who sold me the deck had worked on it. Changed the reel motor amongst other things. I was surprised to see the motor dated to 86. I suppose while doing it he must have inadvertently done something to the shut off assembly. Anyway, it's good now, no more stops and thanks a million for those service info docs. I didn't even know they existed. Peter > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 581 stops before end of tape > Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 06:57:25 -1000 > > > I ran into the problem while fixing the 582 parts deck. > > With no replacement spring, I gave the existing spring a couple of twists to > make it bit tighter. Then I performed the the adjustment to the shut-off > assembly. It seems to be working fine now. Unfortunately, I'd kind of > forgotten about the technical docs when Peter first asked about this -- but > "unexpected shut-off" kept gnawing away at those dark recesses in the old > brain until the final "ah-ha" moment. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of perry.nak at comcast.net > Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 2:24 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] 581 stops before end of tape > > Nice catch Cheryl! Look at you! All expert on mechanisms now! Since I don't > have any 5 series I never downloaded those so I wasn't even aware of an > idler tension spring. > Perry Esposito - From my phone > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account > here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Wed Aug 17 22:55:24 2011 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 22:55:24 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 Tape Speed Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Check soldering of driver's transistor. Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. El 15/08/2011, a las 18:32, "Ural Durusu" escribió: > Hello, > > My CR7 started to slowdown. During playback it reduces the tape speed. Sometimes when I stop and restart to playback it plays normally few seconds then slowsdown again. What can I do for this? I have cleaned all the rubber parts also cleaned the flywheel. The rubber belt seems okey but I amnot sure if it is tight enogh but there is no slippage during spinning. Could it be a voltage problem ?(because looks like operating with a weak battery) or anyother electronic failure. Thank you for any kind of help. > > Regards, > > Ural Durusu > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Thu Aug 18 00:57:34 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 12:57:34 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] test tapes In-Reply-To: <004b01cc5a27$defd7a40$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> References: <004b01cc5a27$defd7a40$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Message-ID: Tom Mageras makes an excellent tracking tape -- spendy but worth it. Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Rainer & Joy-Ell Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 4:14 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] test tapes I would like to purchase set of test tapes(or at least a speed reference tape). Where are we with the test tapes? who has the best ones? ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.26, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.17770) http://www.pctools.com ======= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tim.skorick at gmail.com Wed Aug 17 20:19:35 2011 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 13:19:35 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] test tapes In-Reply-To: <004b01cc5a27$defd7a40$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> References: <004b01cc5a27$defd7a40$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Message-ID: I and some others on this list have been using Luis Peromarta's Nak test tape clones with great success - I'd recommend checking those out. He is on On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Rainer & Joy-Ell wrote: > ** > I would like to purchase set of test tapes(or at least a speed reference > tape). Where are we with the test tapes? who has the best ones? > > > > > > ======= > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 7.0.0.26, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.17770) > http://www.pctools.com > ======= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tim.skorick at gmail.com Wed Aug 17 20:21:16 2011 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 13:21:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] test tapes In-Reply-To: <004b01cc5a27$defd7a40$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> References: <004b01cc5a27$defd7a40$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Message-ID: Sorry, my connection is causing my mail to flake - Luis is on this list but you can find the information you need at http://naks.es/cal_tapes.html -Tim On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Rainer & Joy-Ell wrote: > ** > I would like to purchase set of test tapes(or at least a speed reference > tape). Where are we with the test tapes? who has the best ones? > > > > > > ======= > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 7.0.0.26, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.17770) > http://www.pctools.com > ======= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmlevitz at yahoo.com Wed Aug 17 22:32:34 2011 From: jmlevitz at yahoo.com (jayson levitz) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 13:32:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR7 Tape Speed Problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1313613154.55728.YahooMailClassic@web161906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Ural, does your CR7 have a rubber idler tire or the gear upgrade?  If it has the rubber tire, I suspect that this is the cause of your problem - it has worn down and is not making sufficient contact.  It must be replaced, or you can have the gear upgrade done, which will prevent this from ever happening again.   Jayson --- On Mon, 8/15/11, Ural Durusu wrote: From: Ural Durusu Subject: [naktalk] CR7 Tape Speed Problem To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, August 15, 2011, 12:32 PM Hello,   My CR7 started to slowdown. During playback it reduces the tape speed. Sometimes when I stop and restart to playback it plays normally few seconds then slowsdown again. What can I do for this? I have cleaned all the rubber parts also cleaned the flywheel. The rubber belt seems okey but I amnot sure if it is tight enogh but there is no slippage during spinning. Could it be a voltage problem ?(because looks like operating with a weak battery) or anyother electronic failure. Thank you for any kind of help.   Regards,   Ural Durusu -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From uraldurusu at ttmail.com Thu Aug 18 12:07:40 2011 From: uraldurusu at ttmail.com (uraldurusu) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 13:07:40 +0300 Subject: YNT: [naktalk] CR7 Tape Speed Problem References: Message-ID: <9001F89E8B697947ACDFD967BE50657D171548@STT1EVS62.TTHMC.LOCAL> Can you give me some more explanation if it has a number on the PCB and where it is located on motor PCB or Power Supply PCB ? Regards, Ural Durusu ________________________________ Kimden: naktalk-bounces at naks.com bu kişinin yerine: Luis Peromarta Regert Gönderilmiş: Çar 17.08.2011 23:55 Kime: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Konu: Re: [naktalk] CR7 Tape Speed Problem Check soldering of driver's transistor. Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. El 15/08/2011, a las 18:32, "Ural Durusu" escribió: Hello, My CR7 started to slowdown. During playback it reduces the tape speed. Sometimes when I stop and restart to playback it plays normally few seconds then slowsdown again. What can I do for this? I have cleaned all the rubber parts also cleaned the flywheel. The rubber belt seems okey but I amnot sure if it is tight enogh but there is no slippage during spinning. Could it be a voltage problem ?(because looks like operating with a weak battery) or anyother electronic failure. Thank you for any kind of help. Regards, Ural Durusu ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 5566 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Thu Aug 18 16:17:15 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 07:17:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 581 stops In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1313677035.82685.YahooMailClassic@web130112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > What baffled me though [.......]  why it was only doing it towards > the end of each tape. Takeup problems tend to show up at the end of cassette because required torque increases as radius of the tape cake on the takeup hub increases. -- Ron --- On Mon, 8/15/11, Peter Tanner wrote: From: Peter Tanner Subject: RE: [naktalk] 581 stops To: "naktalk naktalk" Date: Monday, August 15, 2011, 2:09 PM Thanks, Ron, that's exactly what I did. Checked the tech notes from Cheryl's email. The sensor wheel and bulb were out of adjustment. After the correction the deck plays thru all tapes without stopping. What baffled me though and still is to some extent why it was only doing it towards the end of each tape. Thanks for the suggestions.   Peter   > Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 07:07:31 -0700 > From: ronami at yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 581 stops > To: perry.nak at comcast.net; naktalk at naks.com > CC: > > > This is rather rare, though possible. > > Obviously, there is a problem with either takeup or > with the sensor system. The first thing I would do > is check takeup torque (most people don't have a > torque meter, but placing a finger on the takeup > hub in play mode with no cassette in the well can > tell a lot, provided one has an experienced finger > :-) ). > > With insufficient torque (more common, I think), I > would thoroughly clean the idler mating surfaces. > In stubborn cases, I use MEK (has to be done > quickly, as MEK attacks rubber, plastics and human > skin. Avoid breathing the fumes -- they're not good > for the lungs, either). > > I would also check the two issues covered by the > tech notes mentioned by Cheryl. I actually ran > into a sticking sensor wheel a few years back. > Once I realized what was happening, it was easy > to fix. > > -- Ron > > > > > --- On Sun, 8/14/11, perry.nak at comcast.net wrote: > > > From: perry.nak at comcast.net > > Subject: [naktalk] 581 stops > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Date: Sunday, August 14, 2011, 8:14 AM > > Normally when this happens it is a > > hardened idler that is slipping and the deck stops because > > the loop shows no tape take up which would indicate no take > > up reel movement. No reel table movement is detected and the > > dck goes into stop. It could also ne a weak or low voltage > > to the reel motor but that is less likely on a classic > > transport. > > Perry Esposito - From my phone > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >           Also check out the wiki! > > http://www.naks.com/wiki > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >                 > >         Naktalk at naks.com > > mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Thu Aug 18 16:33:22 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 07:33:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR7 Tape Speed Problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1313678002.44544.YahooMailClassic@web130114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The first thing I would do is lubricate the capstan bearings. This is fairly easy to do. Stand the deck on its rear panel. Remove door. Lift washers on both capstans by about 1/8" (3 mm). Put one drop of oil on base of each capstan. Turn deck on. Let sit for a while. Add more drops, one at a time, if necessary. Blot out excess oil. Turn deck off. Lower washers down until they almost (but not quite) touch the capstans bearings. Clean the capstans thoroughly with alcohol moistened rag or Q-tip. If this does not solve the problem, there could be a fault with the control electronics. Most probably, the driver IC. In any case, the idler has nothing to do with it. -- Ron --- On Mon, 8/15/11, Ural Durusu wrote: From: Ural Durusu Subject: [naktalk] CR7 Tape Speed Problem To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, August 15, 2011, 12:32 PM Hello,   My CR7 started to slowdown. During playback it reduces the tape speed. Sometimes when I stop and restart to playback it plays normally few seconds then slowsdown again. What can I do for this? I have cleaned all the rubber parts also cleaned the flywheel. The rubber belt seems okey but I amnot sure if it is tight enogh but there is no slippage during spinning. Could it be a voltage problem ?(because looks like operating with a weak battery) or anyother electronic failure. 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Message-ID: <000601cc5dd9$c7a138e0$56e3aaa0$@math.utah.edu> Anyone know the story on this item on ebay? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260837112446&ssPageName=A DME:B:SS:US:1123 I might have the insides of this machine. Vic From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Thu Aug 18 22:04:13 2011 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 14:04:13 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] test tapes In-Reply-To: <004b01cc5a27$defd7a40$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> References: <004b01cc5a27$defd7a40$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Message-ID: <000e01cc5de2$001e7590$005b60b0$@math.utah.edu> I still have some 3KHz speed wow and flutter on BASF super chrome. Recorded with a Studer A80QRC full track. I would need to put it in a shell. Let me know if you are interested. Vic From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Rainer & Joy-Ell Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:14 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] test tapes I would like to purchase set of test tapes(or at least a speed reference tape). Where are we with the test tapes? who has the best ones? ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.26, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.17770) http://www.pctools.com ======= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkrause at multiplan.com.br Thu Aug 18 16:53:44 2011 From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 11:53:44 -0300 Subject: RES: [naktalk] test tapes In-Reply-To: References: <004b01cc5a27$defd7a40$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Message-ID: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC403CB67AC@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br> Hi Cheryl, Could you send us any hints as to how to reach Tom? Thanks, Rodrigo De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Cheryl Kaupp Enviada em: quarta-feira, 17 de agosto de 2011 19:58 Para: 'Rainer & Joy-Ell'; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Assunto: RE: [naktalk] test tapes Tom Mageras makes an excellent tracking tape -- spendy but worth it. Aloha, Cheryl ________________________________ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Rainer & Joy-Ell Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 4:14 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] test tapes I would like to purchase set of test tapes(or at least a speed reference tape). Where are we with the test tapes? who has the best ones? ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. 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URL: From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Fri Aug 19 16:50:38 2011 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 16:50:38 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] test tapes In-Reply-To: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC403CB67AC@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br> References: <004b01cc5a27$defd7a40$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC403CB67AC@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br> Message-ID: <001a01cc5e7f$5bfbade0$13f309a0$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Hi Rodrigo, You can order the tapes at Tom brucker [hitech at birch.net] and the tracking tape is great . I have both the original tape and the tape made by Tom Mageras but i can’t measure any difference. Also the 15 khz tape is very accurate. They don’t sell a speed calibration tape as far as i known. Regards Norman Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens Rodrigo Krause Verzonden: donderdag 18 augustus 2011 16:54 Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Onderwerp: RES: [naktalk] test tapes Hi Cheryl, Could you send us any hints as to how to reach Tom? Thanks, Rodrigo De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Cheryl Kaupp Enviada em: quarta-feira, 17 de agosto de 2011 19:58 Para: 'Rainer & Joy-Ell'; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Assunto: RE: [naktalk] test tapes Tom Mageras makes an excellent tracking tape -- spendy but worth it. Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Rainer & Joy-Ell Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 4:14 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] test tapes I would like to purchase set of test tapes(or at least a speed reference tape). Where are we with the test tapes? who has the best ones? ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.26, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.17770) http://www.pctools.com ======= Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes privilegiadas e/ou de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem autorizacao do remetente. Portanto, se voce recebeu esta mensagem por engano, por favor, nos informe respondendo imediatamente a este e-mail e em seguida apague-a. A empresa MULTIPLAN nao se responsabiliza por conclusoes, opinioes, ou outras informacoes nesta mensagem que nao se relacionem com sua linha de negocios. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmrecchia at gmail.com Fri Aug 19 16:32:27 2011 From: jmrecchia at gmail.com (Flavio Belato) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 11:32:27 -0300 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon - Test tone noise issue Message-ID: Hello, one more time I come to ask your help. I have a Nakamichi Dragon that is presenting a issue in tone generator. When I press the button 400Hz (Tone Level Calibration, tape/source key in source position) I hear the normal sound of the test plus (together) a strange noise like a "poor contact", this also happens using 15khz (Bias Calibration) and the symptom is constant while the test is enabled. I also noticed that, when this problem started, I notice a "click" relatively high when I turn the key Tape/ Source. The playback sound is normal. Would have any idea where should I start? Many thanks in advance! Best regards from Brazil. Flavio. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkrause at multiplan.com.br Fri Aug 19 18:09:36 2011 From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 13:09:36 -0300 Subject: RES: [naktalk] test tapes In-Reply-To: <001a01cc5e7f$5bfbade0$13f309a0$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> References: <004b01cc5a27$defd7a40$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC403CB67AC@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br> <001a01cc5e7f$5bfbade0$13f309a0$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Message-ID: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC403D40A87@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br> Thank you Norman! Rodrigo De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Norman van Wijnen Enviada em: sexta-feira, 19 de agosto de 2011 11:51 Para: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Assunto: RE: [naktalk] test tapes Hi Rodrigo, You can order the tapes at Tom brucker [hitech at birch.net] and the tracking tape is great . I have both the original tape and the tape made by Tom Mageras but i can’t measure any difference. Also the 15 khz tape is very accurate. They don’t sell a speed calibration tape as far as i known. Regards Norman Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens Rodrigo Krause Verzonden: donderdag 18 augustus 2011 16:54 Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Onderwerp: RES: [naktalk] test tapes Hi Cheryl, Could you send us any hints as to how to reach Tom? Thanks, Rodrigo De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Cheryl Kaupp Enviada em: quarta-feira, 17 de agosto de 2011 19:58 Para: 'Rainer & Joy-Ell'; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Assunto: RE: [naktalk] test tapes Tom Mageras makes an excellent tracking tape -- spendy but worth it. Aloha, Cheryl ________________________________ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Rainer & Joy-Ell Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 4:14 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] test tapes I would like to purchase set of test tapes(or at least a speed reference tape). Where are we with the test tapes? who has the best ones? ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.26, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.17770) http://www.pctools.com ======= Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes privilegiadas e/ou de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem autorizacao do remetente. Portanto, se voce recebeu esta mensagem por engano, por favor, nos informe respondendo imediatamente a este e-mail e em seguida apague-a. 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Regards Norman Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens Rodrigo Krause Verzonden: donderdag 18 augustus 2011 16:54 Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Onderwerp: RES: [naktalk] test tapes Hi Cheryl, Could you send us any hints as to how to reach Tom? Thanks, Rodrigo De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Cheryl Kaupp Enviada em: quarta-feira, 17 de agosto de 2011 19:58 Para: 'Rainer & Joy-Ell'; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Assunto: RE: [naktalk] test tapes Tom Mageras makes an excellent tracking tape -- spendy but worth it. Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Rainer & Joy-Ell Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 4:14 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] test tapes I would like to purchase set of test tapes(or at least a speed reference tape). 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If the buyer ever figures it out, then they might press for fraud. Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 20:17:41 -0700 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL I fear someone just got burned on that eBay auction - paying over $3,000 for a non working 1000ZXL. You could tell from the serial number (starting with A117) that the machine was not a limited. The limited serial number starts with A110. This looked like a 1000ZXL which someone had tried to make look like a 1000ZXL Limited and had in the process managed to blow it up in some way. A gold face plate does NOT a 1000ZXL Limited make! 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Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 20:17:41 -0700 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL I fear someone just got burned on that eBay auction - paying over $3,000 for a non working 1000ZXL. You could tell from the serial number (starting with A117) that the machine was not a limited. The limited serial number starts with A110. This looked like a 1000ZXL which someone had tried to make look like a 1000ZXL Limited and had in the process managed to blow it up in some way. A gold face plate does NOT a 1000ZXL Limited make! Willy ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From perry.nak at comcast.net Sat Aug 20 13:27:26 2011 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 11:27:26 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Recent 1000zxl "limited" on eBay Message-ID: <1143553168-1313839645-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2087175210-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry> I also noticed all the same things but from what little I could tell everything looked to be in very good shape. So $3k for all those parts might not be a bad price. (wasn't me) and I would hope that anyone spending that amount for something in that many pieces would also be aware of what he was getting in to.. Perry Esposito - From my phone From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 20 14:18:10 2011 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (Ram) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 08:18:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is the first "Limited" that I never bid on! 3K for this mess of a deck is ludicrous. I feel for the winner. Welcome to eBay! Ram. On Aug 19, 2011, at 11:17 PM, Willy Hermann wrote: > I fear someone just got burned on that eBay auction - paying over $3,000 for a non working 1000ZXL. You could tell from the serial number (starting with A117) that the machine was not a limited. The limited serial number starts with A110. This looked like a 1000ZXL which someone had tried to make look like a 1000ZXL Limited and had in the process managed to blow it up in some way. A gold face plate does NOT a 1000ZXL Limited make! > > Willy > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Sat Aug 20 18:47:00 2011 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 10:47:00 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003c01cc5f58$c8fa4f30$5aeeed90$@math.utah.edu> Our friend Tom was taken on the Limited he won. It looked legitimate! What a shame! Did anyone notice it was missing the Limited cassette well back plate? Vic From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Willy Hermann Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 9:18 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL I fear someone just got burned on that eBay auction - paying over $3,000 for a non working 1000ZXL. You could tell from the serial number (starting with A117) that the machine was not a limited. The limited serial number starts with A110. This looked like a 1000ZXL which someone had tried to make look like a 1000ZXL Limited and had in the process managed to blow it up in some way. A gold face plate does NOT a 1000ZXL Limited make! Willy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 20 20:52:51 2011 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 11:52:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL In-Reply-To: <003c01cc5f58$c8fa4f30$5aeeed90$@math.utah.edu> Message-ID: <1313866371.88851.YahooMailClassic@web112714.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Vic, The deck had Serial number prefix of A117( instead of A110), which is a stock ZXL. Willy mentioned that here. The deck also had its back clearly stating it was a stock ZXL and not a Limited. Even the wood was not of the Limited's polish and texture. Yes the back plate was also noticed. Tom who? ( Brucker, Mageras?....) won it? I do feel for the guy who ended with this "hybrid" that is dead. On a happier note, I am sure a fully functional Limited ( serviced) in good shape with the acrylic cover and the NR 100 dolby C unit would fetch BIG BUCKS on fleabay. Ram. --- On Sat, 8/20/11, Victor Gabrenas wrote: From: Victor Gabrenas Subject: RE: [naktalk] 1000ZXL To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Saturday, August 20, 2011, 12:47 PM Our friend Tom was taken on the Limited he won. It looked legitimate!What a shame!  Did anyone notice it was missing the Limited cassette well back plate?    Vic  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Willy Hermann Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 9:18 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL  I fear someone just got burned on that eBay auction - paying over $3,000 for a non working 1000ZXL.  You could tell from the serial number (starting with A117) that the machine was not a limited.  The limited serial number starts with A110.  This looked like a 1000ZXL which someone had tried to make look like a 1000ZXL Limited and had in the process managed to blow it up in some way.  A gold face plate does NOT a 1000ZXL Limited make!  Willy -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Sat Aug 20 21:12:17 2011 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 13:12:17 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL In-Reply-To: <1313866371.88851.YahooMailClassic@web112714.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <003c01cc5f58$c8fa4f30$5aeeed90$@math.utah.edu> <1313866371.88851.YahooMailClassic@web112714.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001e01cc5f6d$14b87a50$3e296ef0$@math.utah.edu> Hi Ram, It was Mageras. It was a high jacked ebay account he thinks. As soon as he sends me the info, I will throw it out to the community for help to track this guy down. He obviously had knowledge about how valuable the Limiteds are. Vic From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 12:53 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Hi Vic, The deck had Serial number prefix of A117( instead of A110), which is a stock ZXL. Willy mentioned that here. The deck also had its back clearly stating it was a stock ZXL and not a Limited. Even the wood was not of the Limited's polish and texture. Yes the back plate was also noticed. Tom who? ( Brucker, Mageras?....) won it? I do feel for the guy who ended with this "hybrid" that is dead. On a happier note, I am sure a fully functional Limited ( serviced) in good shape with the acrylic cover and the NR 100 dolby C unit would fetch BIG BUCKS on fleabay. Ram. --- On Sat, 8/20/11, Victor Gabrenas wrote: From: Victor Gabrenas Subject: RE: [naktalk] 1000ZXL To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Saturday, August 20, 2011, 12:47 PM Our friend Tom was taken on the Limited he won. It looked legitimate! What a shame! Did anyone notice it was missing the Limited cassette well back plate? Vic From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Willy Hermann Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 9:18 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL I fear someone just got burned on that eBay auction - paying over $3,000 for a non working 1000ZXL. You could tell from the serial number (starting with A117) that the machine was not a limited. The limited serial number starts with A110. This looked like a 1000ZXL which someone had tried to make look like a 1000ZXL Limited and had in the process managed to blow it up in some way. A gold face plate does NOT a 1000ZXL Limited make! 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I have the set of 3* 1000 units (DAT, 1000mb, 1000p), but without manuals. == John Scott Mobile: 07786 543 462 / +44 77 86 54 34 62 This e-mail message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not an addressee or otherwise authorised to receive this message, you should not use, copy, disclose or take any action based on this e-mail or any information contained in the message. If you have received this material in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmrecchia at gmail.com Mon Aug 22 16:17:26 2011 From: jmrecchia at gmail.com (Flavio Belato) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 11:17:26 -0300 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Bias Oscilator Issue Message-ID: Hello. I was wondering if someone can help me about a Dragon issue: My Nakamichi Dragon is presenting a problem with bias oscilator. About two weeks ago, I noticed that when I was running the calibration procedure, 15khz bias and 400hz tone were presenting stranges noises when activated in source (tape/source in source position). Tree days ago the problem has changed, when I press the 400Hz (tape/source in source mode), I see that the meter will to end up passing the zero point, when I press the bias 15khz, the sound that you hear is about the same as 400Hz and the meter is also zero rising all the leds, so it is impossible to gauge. Anyone have idea where to start checking? It could be related to orange cap disease**? Thanks all by attention. Best regards from Brazil. Flavio. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best of luck Willy On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 7:17 AM, Flavio Belato wrote: > Hello. > > I was wondering if someone can help me about a Dragon issue: > > My Nakamichi Dragon is presenting a problem with bias oscilator. > About two weeks ago, I noticed that when I was running the calibration > procedure, 15khz bias and 400hz tone were presenting stranges noises when > activated in source (tape/source in source position). > Tree days ago the problem has changed, when I press the 400Hz (tape/source > in source mode), I see that the meter will to end up passing the zero > point, when I press the bias 15khz, the sound that you hear is about the > same as 400Hz and the meter is also zero rising all the leds, so it is > impossible to gauge. > > Anyone have idea where to start checking? > It could be related to orange cap disease**? > > Thanks all by attention. > > Best regards from Brazil. > > Flavio. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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During playback it reduces the tape speed. Sometimes when I stop and restart to playback it plays normally few seconds then slowsdown again. What can I do for this? I have cleaned all the rubber parts also cleaned the flywheel. The rubber belt seems okey but I amnot sure if it is tight enogh but there is no slippage during spinning. Could it be a voltage problem ?(because looks like operating with a weak battery) or anyother electronic failure. Thank you for any kind of help. 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URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Wed Aug 24 16:17:32 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 07:17:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR7 Tape Speed Problem - Anderol 456 In-Reply-To: <37538DFCA43A4A7FA7612ADB3A053BEB@surdokmdnb> References: <37538DFCA43A4A7FA7612ADB3A053BEB@surdokmdnb> Message-ID: <1314195452.48458.YahooMailNeo@web130104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I use 3-in-1 household machine oil, but any thin (very liquid) oil should do. To test whether a dry bearing is the cause of the problem, find the 5.6Ω resistor in series with the capstan motor +12V supply and measure the voltage across it in STOP mode before lubricating the bearing. Then measure again afterwards (the voltage should be less). -- Ron >________________________________ >From: Ural Durusu >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 12:56 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 Tape Speed Problem - Anderol 456 > > > >Hello again, >  >I have played several casstettes since the problem occurs now the deck is playing without any problem. If I can find that transistor I will check it. Also I decided to lubricate the capstan bearings. Service manual advices Anderol 456 but I couldnot find it in small bottles. What can I use instead of Anderol 456. Thank you for your help. >  >Regards, >  >Ural Durusu >----- Original Message ----- >>From: Luis Peromarta Regert >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 11:55 PM >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 Tape Speed Problem >> >> >>Check soldering of driver's transistor.  >> >>Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. >> >>El 15/08/2011, a las 18:32, "Ural Durusu" escribió: >> >> >>Hello, >>>  >>>My CR7 started to slowdown. During playback it reduces the tape speed. Sometimes when I stop and restart to playback it plays normally few seconds then slowsdown again. What can I do for this? I have cleaned all the rubber parts also cleaned the flywheel. The rubber belt seems okey but I amnot sure if it is tight enogh but there is no slippage during spinning. Could it be a voltage problem ?(because looks like operating with a weak battery) or anyother electronic failure. 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URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Wed Aug 24 16:24:47 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 07:24:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL In-Reply-To: <003c01cc5f58$c8fa4f30$5aeeed90$@math.utah.edu> References: <003c01cc5f58$c8fa4f30$5aeeed90$@math.utah.edu> Message-ID: <1314195887.79686.YahooMailNeo@web130123.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Our friend Tom was taken on the Limited he won. It looked legitimate! I feel for Tom, but I seriously doubted it was legit.  > Did anyone notice it was missing the Limited cassette well back plate? That was a clear giveaway, not to mention the obviously incorrect rear panel. I did miss the serial number, though. -- Ron >________________________________ >From: Victor Gabrenas >To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' >Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 12:47 PM >Subject: RE: [naktalk] 1000ZXL > > >Our friend Tom was taken on the Limited he won. It looked legitimate! >What a shame! >  >Did anyone notice it was missing the Limited cassette well back plate? >  >  >Vic >  >From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Willy Hermann >Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 9:18 PM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL >  >I fear someone just got burned on that eBay auction - paying over $3,000 for a non working 1000ZXL.  You could tell from the serial number (starting with A117) that the machine was not a limited.  The limited serial number starts with A110.  This looked like a 1000ZXL which someone had tried to make look like a 1000ZXL Limited and had in the process managed to blow it up in some way.  A gold face plate does NOT a 1000ZXL Limited make! >  >Willy >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Wed Aug 24 17:12:47 2011 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 08:12:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL In-Reply-To: <1314195887.79686.YahooMailNeo@web130123.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <003c01cc5f58$c8fa4f30$5aeeed90$@math.utah.edu> <1314195887.79686.YahooMailNeo@web130123.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1314198767.91705.YahooMailRC@web80202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> He can request a full refund including shipping cost from the seller if it is true that the item is not as described (which is obviously not in this case). ________________________________ From: Ron To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wed, August 24, 2011 9:24:47 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL > Our friend Tom was taken on the Limited he won. It looked legitimate! I feel for Tom, but I seriously doubted it was legit.  > Did anyone notice it was missing the Limited cassette well back plate? That was a clear giveaway, not to mention the obviously incorrect rear panel. I did miss the serial number, though. -- Ron ________________________________ From: Victor Gabrenas >To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' >Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 12:47 PM >Subject: RE: [naktalk] 1000ZXL > > >Our friend Tom was taken on the Limited he won. It looked legitimate! >What a shame! >  >Did anyone notice it was missing the Limited cassette well back plate? >  >  >Vic >  >From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of >Willy Hermann >Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 9:18 PM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL > >I fear someone just got burned on that eBay auction - paying over $3,000 for a >non working 1000ZXL.  You could tell from the serial number (starting with A117) >that the machine was not a limited.  The limited serial number starts with A110. > This looked like a 1000ZXL which someone had tried to make look like a 1000ZXL >Limited and had in the process managed to blow it up in some way.  A gold face >plate does NOT a 1000ZXL Limited make! > > >Willy >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Wed Aug 24 17:54:03 2011 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 09:54:03 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL In-Reply-To: <001e01cc5f6d$14b87a50$3e296ef0$@math.utah.edu> References: <003c01cc5f58$c8fa4f30$5aeeed90$@math.utah.edu> <1313866371.88851.YahooMailClassic@web112714.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <001e01cc5f6d$14b87a50$3e296ef0$@math.utah.edu> Message-ID: <007e01cc6276$0cc064a0$26412de0$@math.utah.edu> I should clarify that the Limited Tom won was the mint condition one from last June. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 12:53 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Hi Vic, The deck had Serial number prefix of A117( instead of A110), which is a stock ZXL. Willy mentioned that here. The deck also had its back clearly stating it was a stock ZXL and not a Limited. Even the wood was not of the Limited's polish and texture. Yes the back plate was also noticed. Tom who? ( Brucker, Mageras?....) won it? I do feel for the guy who ended with this "hybrid" that is dead. On a happier note, I am sure a fully functional Limited ( serviced) in good shape with the acrylic cover and the NR 100 dolby C unit would fetch BIG BUCKS on fleabay. Ram. --- On Sat, 8/20/11, Victor Gabrenas wrote: From: Victor Gabrenas Subject: RE: [naktalk] 1000ZXL To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Saturday, August 20, 2011, 12:47 PM Our friend Tom was taken on the Limited he won. It looked legitimate! What a shame! Did anyone notice it was missing the Limited cassette well back plate? Vic From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Willy Hermann Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 9:18 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL I fear someone just got burned on that eBay auction - paying over $3,000 for a non working 1000ZXL. You could tell from the serial number (starting with A117) that the machine was not a limited. The limited serial number starts with A110. This looked like a 1000ZXL which someone had tried to make look like a 1000ZXL Limited and had in the process managed to blow it up in some way. A gold face plate does NOT a 1000ZXL Limited make! Willy -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fergus.cullen at gmail.com Wed Aug 24 18:20:34 2011 From: fergus.cullen at gmail.com (Fergus Cullen) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 17:20:34 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL In-Reply-To: <1314198767.91705.YahooMailRC@web80202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <003c01cc5f58$c8fa4f30$5aeeed90$@math.utah.edu> <1314195887.79686.YahooMailNeo@web130123.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1314198767.91705.YahooMailRC@web80202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: How did you pay? If it was by Paypal you can get a full refund no problem as it was not as described. Fergus On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 4:12 PM, LENA WONG wrote: > He can request a full refund including shipping cost from the seller if it > is true that the item is not as described (which is obviously not in this > case). > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Ron > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Wed, August 24, 2011 9:24:47 AM > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL > > > Our friend Tom was taken on the Limited he won. It looked legitimate! > > I feel for Tom, but I seriously doubted it was legit. > > > Did anyone notice it was missing the Limited cassette well back plate? > > That was a clear giveaway, not to mention the obviously incorrect > rear panel. I did miss the serial number, though. > > -- Ron > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Victor Gabrenas > *To:* 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > *Sent:* Saturday, August 20, 2011 12:47 PM > *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] 1000ZXL > > Our friend Tom was taken on the Limited he won. It looked legitimate! > What a shame! > > Did anyone notice it was missing the Limited cassette well back plate? > > > Vic > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *Willy Hermann > *Sent:* Friday, August 19, 2011 9:18 PM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* [naktalk] 1000ZXL > > I fear someone just got burned on that eBay auction - paying over $3,000 > for a non working 1000ZXL. You could tell from the serial number (starting > with A117) that the machine was not a limited. The limited serial number > starts with A110. This looked like a 1000ZXL which someone had tried to > make look like a 1000ZXL Limited and had in the process managed to blow it > up in some way. A gold face plate does NOT a 1000ZXL Limited make! > > Willy > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Fergus New limited CD release from the Japanese underground here: http://anmailorder.wordpress.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Fri Aug 26 00:37:19 2011 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 16:37:19 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] could be another scam!! Message-ID: <000601cc6377$8c52dac0$a4f89040$@math.utah.edu> http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?misccass&1318363640&/Nakamichi-1000ZX L-Limited Vic From lenaw at flash.net Fri Aug 26 05:15:51 2011 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 20:15:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] could be another scam!! In-Reply-To: <000601cc6377$8c52dac0$a4f89040$@math.utah.edu> References: <000601cc6377$8c52dac0$a4f89040$@math.utah.edu> Message-ID: <1314328551.54210.YahooMailRC@web80204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Interesting. Seller claims "only pickup" and money order. To me this means that if you buy it you have to buy a round-trip ticket to go over there to pick it up yourself. If this turns out not to be what you are looking for then you don't need to hand him the money order and just enjoy a vacation over there  :O) Mike ________________________________ From: Victor Gabrenas To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thu, August 25, 2011 5:37:19 PM Subject: [naktalk] could be another scam!! http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?misccass&1318363640&/Nakamichi-1000ZX L-Limited Vic ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From josephjean at verizon.net Fri Aug 26 05:21:29 2011 From: josephjean at verizon.net (goodguy) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 23:21:29 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] could be another scam!! In-Reply-To: <000601cc6377$8c52dac0$a4f89040$@math.utah.edu> References: <000601cc6377$8c52dac0$a4f89040$@math.utah.edu> Message-ID: <0LQI00LK6MNTWK30@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> I always get a kick out of sellers of multi-thousand dollar equipment but putting up photos is too much trouble. At 06:37 PM 8/25/2011, you wrote: >http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?misccass&1318363640&/Nakamichi-1000ZX >L-Limited > >Vic > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland When momentum meets resistance, push harder. From uraldurusu at ttmail.com Fri Aug 26 12:58:52 2011 From: uraldurusu at ttmail.com (uraldurusu) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 13:58:52 +0300 Subject: YNT: [naktalk] CR7 Tape Speed Problem - Anderol 456 References: <37538DFCA43A4A7FA7612ADB3A053BEB@surdokmdnb> <1314195452.48458.YahooMailNeo@web130104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9001F89E8B697947ACDFD967BE50657D171549@STT1EVS62.TTHMC.LOCAL> Thank you Ron, Regards, Ural ________________________________ Kimden: naktalk-bounces at naks.com bu kişinin yerine: Ron Gönderilmiş: Çar 24.08.2011 17:17 Kime: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Konu: Re: [naktalk] CR7 Tape Speed Problem - Anderol 456 I use 3-in-1 household machine oil, but any thin (very liquid) oil should do. To test whether a dry bearing is the cause of the problem, find the 5.6? resistor in series with the capstan motor +12V supply and measure the voltage across it in STOP mode before lubricating the bearing. Then measure again afterwards (the voltage should be less). -- Ron ________________________________ From: Ural Durusu To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 Tape Speed Problem - Anderol 456 ? Hello again, I have played several casstettes since the problem occurs now the deck is playing without any problem. If I can find that transistor I will check it. Also I decided to lubricate the capstan bearings. Service manual advices Anderol 456 but I couldnot find it in small bottles. What can I use instead of Anderol 456. Thank you for your help. Regards, Ural Durusu ----- Original Message ----- From: Luis Peromarta Regert To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 11:55 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 Tape Speed Problem Check soldering of driver's transistor. Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. El 15/08/2011, a las 18:32, "Ural Durusu" escribió: Hello, My CR7 started to slowdown. During playback it reduces the tape speed. Sometimes when I stop and restart to playback it plays normally few seconds then slowsdown again. What can I do for this? I have cleaned all the rubber parts also cleaned the flywheel. The rubber belt seems okey but I amnot sure if it is tight enogh but there is no slippage during spinning. Could it be a voltage problem ?(because looks like operating with a weak battery) or anyother electronic failure. Thank you for any kind of help. 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These are all recordings of independent musicians from the 70s and 80s, at least 500 from just one musician now deceased. I promised the musician's family that I would "someday" accomplish this feat for them. I now have a volunteer who is dedicated to starting this task and I want to get him started by setting up a workstation area. I want to get feedback on what type of deck to use. I have a Nak MR-2 that I converted to gear-drive on the spindles years ago. Now, it runs maximum speed regardless of the potentiometer setting, and I am sure needs a new head. So it needs attention. I also have a Sansui D-550M 3-head deck which I recall needed a new head as well. Lastly, I have a cheap but new Pyle PT-649D. I was going to set up a scope and VTVM for maximizing output, phase etc on each tape because they are going to be all over the place. Is a 3-head deck is still advantageous when the requirement is just playback? Would you recommend the MR-2 over the Sansui? Or should I buy something else? Which would be easier to get parts for, like heads? What's the best azimuth tape and where to get it? Any suggestions on hi-quality PC sound cards for archiving? Regards, Kurt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Sun Aug 28 23:44:48 2011 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 14:44:48 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] deck for playback only In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I can answer one of those questions. The speed adjust pot on the MR-2 has died - it's a usual problem. It's a 2k pot with a center detent and contact point so it's not replaceable. You can just use two 1k resistors bridged across the center contact to bring it into range the use the internal trimmer to set speed. In your project I would think play azimuth would be more important than exact speed. Best of luck - giant project! Willy On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Kurt Tuckerman wrote: > Group, I have a budget-conscious project coming up in 2 months. It > involves transferring the contents of at least 1000 cassettes (of every > type, recorded on dozens of different decks) into digital. These are all > recordings of independent musicians from the 70s and 80s, at least 500 from > just one musician now deceased. I promised the musician's family that I > would "someday" accomplish this feat for them. I now have a volunteer who is > dedicated to starting this task and I want to get him started by setting up > a workstation area. > I want to get feedback on what type of deck to use. I have a Nak MR-2 that > I converted to gear-drive on the spindles years ago. Now, it runs maximum > speed regardless of the potentiometer setting, and I am sure needs a new > head. So it needs attention. I also have a Sansui D-550M 3-head deck which I > recall needed a new head as well. 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Or should I buy something > else? > Which would be easier to get parts for, like heads? > What's the best azimuth tape and where to get it? > Any suggestions on hi-quality PC sound cards for archiving? > > Regards, Kurt > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kroger1032 at rogers.com Mon Aug 29 00:09:54 2011 From: kroger1032 at rogers.com (KEVIN ROGERS) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 15:09:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] deck for playback only In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1314569394.2051.YahooMailClassic@web88609.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hi Kurt:   If you can stretch your budget, consider a Nak Cassette deck One. Three heads with play back azimuth adjustment for fine tuning the tapes you need to replay. They come up regularly one Flea Bay   Kevin --- On Sun, 8/28/11, Kurt Tuckerman wrote: From: Kurt Tuckerman Subject: [naktalk] deck for playback only To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sunday, August 28, 2011, 6:58 PM Group, I have a budget-conscious project coming up in 2 months. It involves transferring the contents of at least 1000 cassettes (of every type, recorded on dozens of different decks) into digital. These are all recordings of independent musicians from the 70s and 80s, at least 500 from just one musician now deceased. I promised the musician's family that I would "someday" accomplish this feat for them. I now have a volunteer who is dedicated to starting this task and I want to get him started by setting up a workstation area. I want to get feedback on what type of deck to use. I have a Nak MR-2 that I converted to gear-drive on the spindles years ago. Now, it runs maximum speed regardless of the potentiometer setting, and I am sure needs a new head. So it needs attention. I also have a Sansui D-550M 3-head deck which I recall needed a new head as well. Lastly, I have a cheap but new Pyle PT-649D. I was going to set up a scope and VTVM for maximizing output, phase etc on each tape because they are going to be all over the place.    Is a 3-head deck is still advantageous when the requirement is just playback? Would you recommend the MR-2 over the Sansui? Or should I buy something else? Which would be easier to get parts for, like heads? What's the best azimuth tape and where to get it? 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I can only say I've used both a Dragon and a CR-7 and was happy with both. The Dragon sounded better to me- but this is not meant to incite a heated discussion here :). With such a large project, you'll want to use the absolute best you can afford so you don't have to do it again. As you know, with the various tapes recorded/dubbed on various decks, as Willy said, playback azimuth will be the most important aspect, so get a deck that allows you to adjust that easily from tape to tape. You won't need an azimith tape, because whatever brings the deck into spec on that tape won't necessarily be the best on ANY tape you're transferring. As for a sound card, get something that can record at least 24 bit / 96 kHz, especially if you're going to be doing any editing or processing. I know that It's overkill, but you can always downsample to the CD standard 16/44.1 once all your work is done. I've been very happy with my SoundBlaster Audigy 4 Pro, but it's long out of production. I would not recommend any of the newer SoundBlaster X-Fi models. I've heard good things about M-Audio cards, especially the Audiophile 2496 and Audiophile 192. Software is also important, but I have no recommendations. I'm still using an old version of SoundForge, but all I ever do is some EQ and normalization, nothing too intensive. Chris On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Kurt Tuckerman wrote: > Group, I have a budget-conscious project coming up in 2 months. It > involves transferring the contents of at least 1000 cassettes (of every > type, recorded on dozens of different decks) into digital. These are all > recordings of independent musicians from the 70s and 80s, at least 500 from > just one musician now deceased. I promised the musician's family that I > would "someday" accomplish this feat for them. I now have a volunteer who is > dedicated to starting this task and I want to get him started by setting up > a workstation area. > I want to get feedback on what type of deck to use. I have a Nak MR-2 that > I converted to gear-drive on the spindles years ago. Now, it runs maximum > speed regardless of the potentiometer setting, and I am sure needs a new > head. So it needs attention. I also have a Sansui D-550M 3-head deck which I > recall needed a new head as well. Lastly, I have a cheap but new Pyle > PT-649D. > I was going to set up a scope and VTVM for maximizing output, phase etc on > each tape because they are going to be all over the place. > > Is a 3-head deck is still advantageous when the requirement is just > playback? > Would you recommend the MR-2 over the Sansui? 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URL: From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Mon Aug 29 10:07:05 2011 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 10:07:05 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] deck for playback only In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002101cc6622$a41013a0$ec303ae0$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Hi Kurt, I use a Audiotrak Prodigy HD2 audio card for transfering sound from tape to cd. It's a great hifi card. Regards Norman Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens Kurt Tuckerman Verzonden: zondag 28 augustus 2011 20:58 Aan: naktalk at naks.com Onderwerp: [naktalk] deck for playback only Group, I have a budget-conscious project coming up in 2 months. It involves transferring the contents of at least 1000 cassettes (of every type, recorded on dozens of different decks) into digital. These are all recordings of independent musicians from the 70s and 80s, at least 500 from just one musician now deceased. I promised the musician's family that I would "someday" accomplish this feat for them. I now have a volunteer who is dedicated to starting this task and I want to get him started by setting up a workstation area. I want to get feedback on what type of deck to use. I have a Nak MR-2 that I converted to gear-drive on the spindles years ago. Now, it runs maximum speed regardless of the potentiometer setting, and I am sure needs a new head. So it needs attention. I also have a Sansui D-550M 3-head deck which I recall needed a new head as well. Lastly, I have a cheap but new Pyle PT-649D. I was going to set up a scope and VTVM for maximizing output, phase etc on each tape because they are going to be all over the place. Is a 3-head deck is still advantageous when the requirement is just playback? Would you recommend the MR-2 over the Sansui? Or should I buy something else? Which would be easier to get parts for, like heads? What's the best azimuth tape and where to get it? Any suggestions on hi-quality PC sound cards for archiving? Regards, Kurt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dball1 at woh.rr.com Mon Aug 29 14:06:27 2011 From: dball1 at woh.rr.com (Dennis Ball) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 08:06:27 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] deck for playback only In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Kurt, I can't speak for the MR-2, but I've got a Sansui D-550M that I purchased new. Years ago I used it to record Midnight Theater on WTUE in Dayton Ohio on a nightly basis. It has literally recorded thousands of tapes and still performs very well to my ears. It's very easy to adjust the playback azimuth on the D-550M, a big plus if playing tapes recorded on other decks. These days I listen mostly to a pair of Nak 670ZX decks, but I fire up the Sansui on occasion just to keep it in good working order, Dennis On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Kurt Tuckerman wrote: > Group, I have a budget-conscious project coming up in 2 months. It > involves transferring the contents of at least 1000 cassettes (of every > type, recorded on dozens of different decks) into digital. These are all > recordings of independent musicians from the 70s and 80s, at least 500 from > just one musician now deceased. I promised the musician's family that I > would "someday" accomplish this feat for them. I now have a volunteer who is > dedicated to starting this task and I want to get him started by setting up > a workstation area. > I want to get feedback on what type of deck to use. I have a Nak MR-2 that > I converted to gear-drive on the spindles years ago. Now, it runs maximum > speed regardless of the potentiometer setting, and I am sure needs a new > head. So it needs attention. I also have a Sansui D-550M 3-head deck which I > recall needed a new head as well. Lastly, I have a cheap but new Pyle > PT-649D. > I was going to set up a scope and VTVM for maximizing output, phase etc on > each tape because they are going to be all over the place. > > Is a 3-head deck is still advantageous when the requirement is just > playback? > Would you recommend the MR-2 over the Sansui? Or should I buy something > else? > Which would be easier to get parts for, like heads? > What's the best azimuth tape and where to get it? > Any suggestions on hi-quality PC sound cards for archiving? > > Regards, Kurt > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john_194600 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 29 15:03:21 2011 From: john_194600 at yahoo.com (John) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 06:03:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Set play back azimuth In-Reply-To: <1314569394.2051.YahooMailClassic@web88609.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1314569394.2051.YahooMailClassic@web88609.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1314623001.92598.YahooMailNeo@web112904.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Is there away to set the play back azimuth other than by ear...? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From mwijesinha at gmail.com Mon Aug 29 19:15:31 2011 From: mwijesinha at gmail.com (Marnik Wijesinha) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 13:15:31 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Set play back azimuth In-Reply-To: <1314623001.92598.YahooMailNeo@web112904.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1314569394.2051.YahooMailClassic@web88609.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1314623001.92598.YahooMailNeo@web112904.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: If you can feed the audio from your cassette deck into the line-in jack on your computer, download the free software program Audacity. While the tape is playing in the cassette deck, record the audio using Audacity, and switch into the "Spectrogram" display mode in Audacity (the default is "Waveform" display mode). The spectrogram mode will show you a simple graph of the frequencies coming from the cassette deck in real-time, so adjust the azimuth while monitoring the frequecies in Audacity. Keep adjusting the azimuth until you see the best (highest) frequency response for BOTH channels in the spectrogram. Assuming that your tapes have little or no channel imbalance, try to get the azimuth so that the frequency response is roughly "even" between the two channels, and as high as possible overall (obviously). This method isn't perfect but it gives you an actual quantitative way to set the playback azimuth rather than the purely subjective method of adjustng by ear, which can be very tricky and imprecise, contrary to what many people say. Of course, using the spectrogram display in conjunction with listening by ear will make your job easiest. 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URL: From ct.waveform at googlemail.com Mon Aug 29 19:27:59 2011 From: ct.waveform at googlemail.com (Christian Thomas) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 18:27:59 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] deck for playback only In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Kurt I can vouch for the MR-2 which I believe is just a pro version of the BX-300. I would have thought that the balanced outputs would help get hum down a bit further and be just what you need. Personally I think the BX-300 is a cracking deck. As for azimuth, you can do on an oscilloscope quite easily. There are plenty of free PC-based scopes and signal generators. You can do it all yourself, but it takes a bit of thinking. Basically, record some tones and then play them back, but with one in anti =-phase. They should cancel, or reach a null. Try two frequencies to be certain, 1k and 10k usually. That null is the perfect centreline for your record head. But, if the levels on the record amp aren't equal then you will not get perfect cancellation, so you have to go back and set those, or indeed the azimuth of the record head. One then iterates around until you have muddled your way to perfect alignment (First stop being measuring the signal at the record head) Easier than this, though is to check the two output levels of the tape you are playing on a scope and note the levels for something that is dead centre, such as vocals - and probably low frequency instruments which radiate omnidirectionally and tend to have very little stereo information. Also, keep an eye out for high frequencies, too. The better your alignment the more of these there will be on both channels. Hope this helps Christian On 28 August 2011 19:58, Kurt Tuckerman wrote: > Group, I have a budget-conscious project coming up in 2 months. It > involves transferring the contents of at least 1000 cassettes (of every > type, recorded on dozens of different decks) into digital. These are all > recordings of independent musicians from the 70s and 80s, at least 500 from > just one musician now deceased. I promised the musician's family that I > would "someday" accomplish this feat for them. I now have a volunteer who is > dedicated to starting this task and I want to get him started by setting up > a workstation area. > I want to get feedback on what type of deck to use. I have a Nak MR-2 that > I converted to gear-drive on the spindles years ago. Now, it runs maximum > speed regardless of the potentiometer setting, and I am sure needs a new > head. So it needs attention. I also have a Sansui D-550M 3-head deck which I > recall needed a new head as well. Lastly, I have a cheap but new Pyle > PT-649D. > I was going to set up a scope and VTVM for maximizing output, phase etc on > each tape because they are going to be all over the place. > > Is a 3-head deck is still advantageous when the requirement is just > playback? > Would you recommend the MR-2 over the Sansui? Or should I buy something > else? > Which would be easier to get parts for, like heads? > What's the best azimuth tape and where to get it? > Any suggestions on hi-quality PC sound cards for archiving? > > Regards, Kurt > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Mon Aug 29 20:57:23 2011 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:57:23 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] deck for playback only In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5D46A6E8-76CA-4DA7-A767-9A8FC90C6CC8@math.utah.edu> The BX300 is a 3 head machine Victor M. Gabrenas On Aug 29, 2011, at 11:27 AM, Christian Thomas wrote: > Hi Kurt > > I can vouch for the MR-2 which I believe is just a pro version of the BX-300. I would have thought that the balanced outputs would help get hum down a bit further and be just what you need. Personally I think the BX-300 is a cracking deck. > > As for azimuth, you can do on an oscilloscope quite easily. There are plenty of free PC-based scopes and signal generators. You can do it all yourself, but it takes a bit of thinking. Basically, record some tones and then play them back, but with one in anti =-phase. They should cancel, or reach a null. Try two frequencies to be certain, 1k and 10k usually. That null is the perfect centreline for your record head. But, if the levels on the record amp aren't equal then you will not get perfect cancellation, so you have to go back and set those, or indeed the azimuth of the record head. One then iterates around until you have muddled your way to perfect alignment (First stop being measuring the signal at the record head) > > Easier than this, though is to check the two output levels of the tape you are playing on a scope and note the levels for something that is dead centre, such as vocals - and probably low frequency instruments which radiate omnidirectionally and tend to have very little stereo information. Also, keep an eye out for high frequencies, too. The better your alignment the more of these there will be on both channels. > > Hope this helps > > Christian > > On 28 August 2011 19:58, Kurt Tuckerman wrote: > Group, I have a budget-conscious project coming up in 2 months. It involves transferring the contents of at least 1000 cassettes (of every type, recorded on dozens of different decks) into digital. These are all recordings of independent musicians from the 70s and 80s, at least 500 from just one musician now deceased. I promised the musician's family that I would "someday" accomplish this feat for them. I now have a volunteer who is dedicated to starting this task and I want to get him started by setting up a workstation area. > I want to get feedback on what type of deck to use. I have a Nak MR-2 that I converted to gear-drive on the spindles years ago. Now, it runs maximum speed regardless of the potentiometer setting, and I am sure needs a new head. So it needs attention. I also have a Sansui D-550M 3-head deck which I recall needed a new head as well. Lastly, I have a cheap but new Pyle PT-649D. > I was going to set up a scope and VTVM for maximizing output, phase etc on each tape because they are going to be all over the place. > > Is a 3-head deck is still advantageous when the requirement is just playback? > Would you recommend the MR-2 over the Sansui? Or should I buy something else? > Which would be easier to get parts for, like heads? > What's the best azimuth tape and where to get it? > Any suggestions on hi-quality PC sound cards for archiving? > > Regards, Kurt > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Aug 29 20:59:05 2011 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 11:59:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Set play back azimuth In-Reply-To: References: <1314569394.2051.YahooMailClassic@web88609.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1314623001.92598.YahooMailNeo@web112904.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1314644345.68743.YahooMailNeo@web160718.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Nakamichi Dragon will do the best Play back Azimuth adjustment based on Phase accuracy in one channel - no need for any external method to adjust the azimuth as it does this automatically using NAAC . However you need to service the Dragon ( get it done by who knows how to do NAAC alignment in Dragon as well as he has original Nak tapes /gauges) - as many Dragons are out of spec as far as NAAC tracking is concerened.   Also your Cassette recorded Azimuth should not go beyond a reasonable range.   A well aligned Dragon is none to beat for playback of tapes made in multiple machines including High Speed tape copying machines kannan From: Marnik Wijesinha To: John ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Set play back azimuth If you can feed the audio from your cassette deck into the line-in jack on your computer, download the free software program Audacity. While the tape is playing in the cassette deck, record the audio using Audacity, and switch into the "Spectrogram" display mode in Audacity (the default is "Waveform" display mode). The spectrogram mode will show you a simple graph of the frequencies coming from the cassette deck in real-time, so adjust the azimuth while monitoring the frequecies in Audacity. Keep adjusting the azimuth until you see the best (highest) frequency response for BOTH channels in the spectrogram. Assuming that your tapes have little or no channel imbalance, try to get the azimuth so that the frequency response is roughly "even" between the two channels, and as high as possible overall (obviously). This method isn't perfect but it gives you an actual quantitative way to set the playback azimuth rather than the purely subjective method of adjustng by ear, which can be very tricky and imprecise, contrary to what many people say. Of course, using the spectrogram display in conjunction with listening by ear will make your job easiest. Is there away to set the play back azimuth other than by ear...?   >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From emberphoto at hotmail.com Mon Aug 29 21:30:07 2011 From: emberphoto at hotmail.com (Steve Ember) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 15:30:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] deck for playback only In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Hi Christian and Kurt... Just a point of information. Christian, I think you meant to say the MR-1. That is, indeed, the pro-version of the BX-300, which is, as you say, a superb deck. The MR-2 is certainly not shabby; however it differs from the BX-300/MR-1 in being a two-head deck - i.e., no monitoring off tape while recording. I speak from experience, as I own each of these decks. But I do feel, Kurt, the task you've set out for yourself, with cassettes of multiple provenance, points toward using one of the Nakamichi decks with front-panel azimuth adjustment, and that means either the superb CR-7 or the also fine DR-1 (a later model and not as feature-rich). Otherwise, you will, most certainly, wrap yourself around the axle with constant screw-driver fiddling with PB azimuth (and swearing never to take on such a project again). Cheers and good luck! Steve Ember Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 18:27:59 +0100 Subject: Re: [naktalk] deck for playback only From: ct.waveform at googlemail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Hi Kurt I can vouch for the MR-2 which I believe is just a pro version of the BX-300. I would have thought that the balanced outputs would help get hum down a bit further and be just what you need. Personally I think the BX-300 is a cracking deck. As for azimuth, you can do on an oscilloscope quite easily. There are plenty of free PC-based scopes and signal generators. You can do it all yourself, but it takes a bit of thinking. Basically, record some tones and then play them back, but with one in anti =-phase. They should cancel, or reach a null. Try two frequencies to be certain, 1k and 10k usually. That null is the perfect centreline for your record head. But, if the levels on the record amp aren't equal then you will not get perfect cancellation, so you have to go back and set those, or indeed the azimuth of the record head. One then iterates around until you have muddled your way to perfect alignment (First stop being measuring the signal at the record head) Easier than this, though is to check the two output levels of the tape you are playing on a scope and note the levels for something that is dead centre, such as vocals - and probably low frequency instruments which radiate omnidirectionally and tend to have very little stereo information. Also, keep an eye out for high frequencies, too. The better your alignment the more of these there will be on both channels. Hope this helps Christian On 28 August 2011 19:58, Kurt Tuckerman wrote: Group, I have a budget-conscious project coming up in 2 months. It involves transferring the contents of at least 1000 cassettes (of every type, recorded on dozens of different decks) into digital. These are all recordings of independent musicians from the 70s and 80s, at least 500 from just one musician now deceased. I promised the musician's family that I would "someday" accomplish this feat for them. I now have a volunteer who is dedicated to starting this task and I want to get him started by setting up a workstation area. I want to get feedback on what type of deck to use. I have a Nak MR-2 that I converted to gear-drive on the spindles years ago. Now, it runs maximum speed regardless of the potentiometer setting, and I am sure needs a new head. So it needs attention. I also have a Sansui D-550M 3-head deck which I recall needed a new head as well. Lastly, I have a cheap but new Pyle PT-649D. I was going to set up a scope and VTVM for maximizing output, phase etc on each tape because they are going to be all over the place. Is a 3-head deck is still advantageous when the requirement is just playback? Would you recommend the MR-2 over the Sansui? Or should I buy something else? Which would be easier to get parts for, like heads? What's the best azimuth tape and where to get it? Any suggestions on hi-quality PC sound cards for archiving? 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URL: From ct.waveform at googlemail.com Mon Aug 29 23:23:39 2011 From: ct.waveform at googlemail.com (Christian Thomas) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 22:23:39 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] deck for playback only In-Reply-To: <5D46A6E8-76CA-4DA7-A767-9A8FC90C6CC8@math.utah.edu> References: <5D46A6E8-76CA-4DA7-A767-9A8FC90C6CC8@math.utah.edu> Message-ID: I know it is. Isn't the MR-2? Anyway, I like the suggestion of downloading Audacity, which is a simpler suggestion than mine, and has advantages of being able to see the hf end of the spectrum rater than just judge it. CT On 29 August 2011 19:57, Victor Gabrenas wrote: > The BX300 is a 3 head machine > > Victor M. Gabrenas > > > On Aug 29, 2011, at 11:27 AM, Christian Thomas > wrote: > > Hi Kurt > > I can vouch for the MR-2 which I believe is just a pro version of the > BX-300. I would have thought that the balanced outputs would help get hum > down a bit further and be just what you need. Personally I think the BX-300 > is a cracking deck. > > As for azimuth, you can do on an oscilloscope quite easily. There are > plenty of free PC-based scopes and signal generators. You can do it all > yourself, but it takes a bit of thinking. Basically, record some tones and > then play them back, but with one in anti =-phase. They should cancel, or > reach a null. Try two frequencies to be certain, 1k and 10k usually. That > null is the perfect centreline for your record head. But, if the levels on > the record amp aren't equal then you will not get perfect cancellation, so > you have to go back and set those, or indeed the azimuth of the record head. > One then iterates around until you have muddled your way to perfect > alignment (First stop being measuring the signal at the record head) > > Easier than this, though is to check the two output levels of the tape you > are playing on a scope and note the levels for something that is dead > centre, such as vocals - and probably low frequency instruments which > radiate omnidirectionally and tend to have very little stereo information. > Also, keep an eye out for high frequencies, too. The better your alignment > the more of these there will be on both channels. > > Hope this helps > > Christian > > On 28 August 2011 19:58, Kurt Tuckerman < > ktuck16 at hotmail.com> wrote: > >> Group, I have a budget-conscious project coming up in 2 months. It >> involves transferring the contents of at least 1000 cassettes (of every >> type, recorded on dozens of different decks) into digital. These are all >> recordings of independent musicians from the 70s and 80s, at least 500 from >> just one musician now deceased. I promised the musician's family that I >> would "someday" accomplish this feat for them. I now have a volunteer who is >> dedicated to starting this task and I want to get him started by setting up >> a workstation area. >> I want to get feedback on what type of deck to use. I have a Nak MR-2 that >> I converted to gear-drive on the spindles years ago. Now, it runs maximum >> speed regardless of the potentiometer setting, and I am sure needs a new >> head. So it needs attention. I also have a Sansui D-550M 3-head deck which I >> recall needed a new head as well. Lastly, I have a cheap but new Pyle >> PT-649D. >> I was going to set up a scope and VTVM for maximizing output, phase etc on >> each tape because they are going to be all over the place. >> >> Is a 3-head deck is still advantageous when the requirement is just >> playback? >> Would you recommend the MR-2 over the Sansui? Or should I buy something >> else? >> Which would be easier to get parts for, like heads? >> What's the best azimuth tape and where to get it? >> Any suggestions on hi-quality PC sound cards for archiving? >> >> Regards, Kurt >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! >> http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! > http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From westgateishere at yahoo.com Tue Aug 30 00:45:50 2011 From: westgateishere at yahoo.com (jay knickerbocker) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 15:45:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] deck for playback only In-Reply-To: <5D46A6E8-76CA-4DA7-A767-9A8FC90C6CC8@math.utah.edu> Message-ID: <1314657950.20313.YahooMailClassic@web65404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> the mr-1 is the 'pro' version of the bx-300, not the mr-2.   --- On Mon, 8/29/11, Victor Gabrenas wrote: From: Victor Gabrenas Subject: Re: [naktalk] deck for playback only To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, August 29, 2011, 11:57 AM The BX300 is a 3 head machine  Victor M. Gabrenas On Aug 29, 2011, at 11:27 AM, Christian Thomas wrote: Hi Kurt I can vouch for the MR-2 which I believe is just a pro version of the BX-300.  I would have thought that the balanced outputs would help get hum down a bit further and be just what you need.  Personally I think the BX-300 is a cracking deck. 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URL: From ct.waveform at googlemail.com Tue Aug 30 01:15:29 2011 From: ct.waveform at googlemail.com (Christian Thomas) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 00:15:29 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] deck for playback only In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Steve, I think I just saw NR and thought "lucky guy". Since you have both, I'd be very interested in how you think they compare. I have often thought of getting an MR-1, not least tbecause they are often beaten up and shabby through having been chucked in the back of vans, and therefore quite cheap. Could you also perhaps qualify your assessment by letting me know whether you can make proper use of the balanced outputs. Best wishes Christian On 29 August 2011 20:30, Steve Ember wrote: > Hi Christian and Kurt... > > Just a point of information. Christian, I think you meant to say the *MR-1 > *. That is, indeed, the pro-version of the BX-300, which is, as you say, > a superb deck. > > The MR-2 is certainly not shabby; however it differs from the BX-300/MR-1 > in being a two-head deck - i.e., no monitoring off tape while recording. > > I speak from experience, as I own each of these decks. But I do feel, Kurt, > the task you've set out for yourself, with cassettes of multiple provenance, > points toward using one of the Nakamichi decks with front-panel azimuth > adjustment, and that means either the superb CR-7 or the also fine DR-1 (a > later model and not as feature-rich). Otherwise, you will, most certainly, > wrap yourself around the axle with constant screw-driver fiddling with PB > azimuth (and swearing never to take on such a project again). > > Cheers and good luck! > > Steve Ember > > ------------------------------ > Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 18:27:59 +0100 > Subject: Re: [naktalk] deck for playback only > From: ct.waveform at googlemail.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Hi Kurt > > I can vouch for the MR-2 which I believe is just a pro version of the > BX-300. I would have thought that the balanced outputs would help get hum > down a bit further and be just what you need. Personally I think the BX-300 > is a cracking deck. > > As for azimuth, you can do on an oscilloscope quite easily. There are > plenty of free PC-based scopes and signal generators. You can do it all > yourself, but it takes a bit of thinking. Basically, record some tones and > then play them back, but with one in anti =-phase. They should cancel, or > reach a null. Try two frequencies to be certain, 1k and 10k usually. That > null is the perfect centreline for your record head. But, if the levels on > the record amp aren't equal then you will not get perfect cancellation, so > you have to go back and set those, or indeed the azimuth of the record head. > One then iterates around until you have muddled your way to perfect > alignment (First stop being measuring the signal at the record head) > > Easier than this, though is to check the two output levels of the tape you > are playing on a scope and note the levels for something that is dead > centre, such as vocals - and probably low frequency instruments which > radiate omnidirectionally and tend to have very little stereo information. > Also, keep an eye out for high frequencies, too. The better your alignment > the more of these there will be on both channels. > > Hope this helps > > Christian > > On 28 August 2011 19:58, Kurt Tuckerman wrote: > > Group, I have a budget-conscious project coming up in 2 months. It > involves transferring the contents of at least 1000 cassettes (of every > type, recorded on dozens of different decks) into digital. These are all > recordings of independent musicians from the 70s and 80s, at least 500 from > just one musician now deceased. I promised the musician's family that I > would "someday" accomplish this feat for them. I now have a volunteer who is > dedicated to starting this task and I want to get him started by setting up > a workstation area. > I want to get feedback on what type of deck to use. I have a Nak MR-2 that > I converted to gear-drive on the spindles years ago. Now, it runs maximum > speed regardless of the potentiometer setting, and I am sure needs a new > head. So it needs attention. I also have a Sansui D-550M 3-head deck which I > recall needed a new head as well. Lastly, I have a cheap but new Pyle > PT-649D. > I was going to set up a scope and VTVM for maximizing output, phase etc on > each tape because they are going to be all over the place. > > Is a 3-head deck is still advantageous when the requirement is just > playback? > Would you recommend the MR-2 over the Sansui? Or should I buy something > else? > Which would be easier to get parts for, like heads? > What's the best azimuth tape and where to get it? > Any suggestions on hi-quality PC sound cards for archiving? > > Regards, Kurt > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From timpamsepper at cox.net Tue Aug 30 06:49:38 2011 From: timpamsepper at cox.net (Tim and Pam Sepper) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 21:49:38 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] deck for playback only Message-ID: <000001cc66d0$393e59c0$abbb0d40$@net> Kurt, I can also recommend the Nak DR-1 for playback azimuth control; basically same deck as Cassette Deck One but newer. This is a much less costly alternative to a Dragon which is probably the top of the line for azimuth as it has automatic ongoing playback azimuth adjustment. But, the Dragon is definitely NOT the "budget-conscious" route. The CR-7 has playback azimuth control but this is also a pretty expensive deck to buy and maintain. The DR-1 is a 3-head design but I don't think that comes into the discussion with playback only requirement. For "budget-conscience" azimuth control deck, which is definitely what you want, the DR-1 is hard to beat. Tim Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 14:58:19 -0400 From: Kurt Tuckerman Subject: [naktalk] deck for playback only To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Group, I have a budget-conscious project coming up in 2 months. It involves transferring the contents of at least 1000 cassettes (of every type, recorded on dozens of different decks) into digital. These are all recordings of independent musicians from the 70s and 80s, at least 500 from just one musician now deceased. I promised the musician's family that I would "someday" accomplish this feat for them. I now have a volunteer who is dedicated to starting this task and I want to get him started by setting up a workstation area. I want to get feedback on what type of deck to use. I have a Nak MR-2 that I converted to gear-drive on the spindles years ago. Now, it runs maximum speed regardless of the potentiometer setting, and I am sure needs a new head. So it needs attention. I also have a Sansui D-550M 3-head deck which I recall needed a new head as well. Lastly, I have a cheap but new Pyle PT-649D. I was going to set up a scope and VTVM for maximizing output, phase etc on each tape because they are going to be all over the place. Is a 3-head deck is still advantageous when the requirement is just playback? Would you recommend the MR-2 over the Sansui? Or should I buy something else? Which would be easier to get parts for, like heads? What's the best azimuth tape and where to get it? Any suggestions on hi-quality PC sound cards for archiving? Regards, Kurt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2011\2011-December.txt.txt ************************************************************************ From ronami at yahoo.com Thu Dec 1 00:12:24 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 15:12:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 11-30-11 Marrs Communications Current Website Contents. Update ! In-Reply-To: <4ED65EFC.6030403@marrscom.com> References: <4ED65EFC.6030403@marrscom.com> Message-ID: <1322694744.70168.YahooMailNeo@web130108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Fred, Do you have belts for Onkyo cassette decks? I need a couple for  one of their dual transport decks. -- Ron >________________________________ > From: Fred Marrs >To: naktalk at naks.com >Cc: "A fred at marrscom.com" >Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 11:51 AM >Subject: [naktalk] 11-30-11 Marrs Communications Current Website Contents. Update ! > > >11-30-11 >Hello Everyone, > >This website status update will more than likely remain current until 2012. > >Current contents consist of the Following Brands and Formats. > >Aiwa : Cassette Belt. Premium and Factory Kits. > >Akai : Cassette and R/R. Premium and Factory Kits. > >Ampex : Premium R/R Belt Kits. > >B&O : Cassette Deck, Beocenter, CD Player and Turntable Belts. > >BIC : Cassette Deck Kits > >California Audio Labs : CD Player Belts > >Carver : Cassette and CD Player Belts > >C.E.C : CD Transport Belt Kits > >Denon : CD Player Belts > >Dokorder : Premium R/R Belt Kits. > >Fostex : Cassette and R/R Belts. ( A-8, R-8, Limited Stock ) > >Harman Kardon / Rabco : Turntable Belts and Kits. > >Luxman : Cassette Premium. CD Player and Turntable Belts. > >Marantz : Cassette Premium and Factory Kits. CD Player Belts. > >Marantz : Premium Turntable Belts. > >NAD : Premium Cassette Kits > >Nakamichi : Factory Belt Kits. CD Player Belts. > >Onkyo : CD Player Belts > >Philips : CD Player and CD Transport Belt Kits. ( CDM-1 ). > >Pioneer : Cassette Premium and Factory Kits. R/R Premium Kits. > >Pioneer : Premium Turntable. > >Roberts : R/R Premium Kits. > >Sansui : Cassette Premium Kits. R/R Premium. Premium Turntable Belts. > >Sony : Cassette Premium Kits. Sony Elcaset Kits. Sony DAT Belts. > >Sony : CD Player Belts. Sony Walkman Belts. Premium R/R Kits. > >Tandberg : Azimuth Belts. Premium Cassette Kits. Premium R/R Kits. > >Tascam : Cassette Premium Kits. Premium R/R Belts. > >Teac : Cassette Premium Kits.  Premium R/R Belts. > >Technics : Cassette Premium Kits. Premium R/R Kits. > >Yamaha : Cassette Premium and Factory Kits. 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URL: From shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz Thu Dec 1 06:13:46 2011 From: shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz (Martin Short) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 18:13:46 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] Rare CR-7A Opportunity - Photos References: Message-ID: <3A23E43FAFA14A39994824DAFFFDEC1D@desktop> One thing about any club or society, there is always a plonker..Nice bug you have there Mark, excellent condition indeed, and a rarity these days...my wife who has owned a few beetles in her time is VERY envious!! Good luck with the CR-7A sale, though I am 'foxed' as to why you would part with such a minter... ----- Original Message ----- From: mark slusarski To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 6:33 AM Subject: [naktalk] Rare CR-7A Opportunity - Photos Dear Nakamichi Enthusiasts: In response to several individuals who have requested photos of the CR-7A and TDK MA-XG 90 cassettes I described in my e-mail on 11-29-11, I am glad to comply. To the one person who wrote that my e-mail was basically BS and a pack of lies, it must be a burden to be so judgmental with such a limited grasp of the facts. I didn’t give his opinion much thought until he disparaged my ‘64 Bug. You are right. It couldn’t possibly have only 33,000 miles. Thanks to the rest of the Nak community. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fsclaol at yahoo.com Thu Dec 1 05:27:34 2011 From: fsclaol at yahoo.com (Fred S.C. Li) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 20:27:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Info about Original Nakamichi Remotes Message-ID: <1322713654.11717.YahooMailNeo@web122505.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> For reference, the RM-15 cable length is 16'. Fred in CT On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 9:06 PM, ying yang wrote: >Would not a wireless remote provide more freedom of movement distance-wise >then a wired remote ? >>>Any wired remote would be restricted by the length of the cable. If the >cable is say 3 meters (9feet) for purpose of Play, Pause, FF, Rewind, Stop >operations then it is not much of a help then against getting up and down >and walking to an fro between the deck and the chair. Is there any other >facility other then those mentioned above that attracts deck owners to want >a wired remote ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rpierce000 at centurytel.net Thu Dec 1 07:26:39 2011 From: rpierce000 at centurytel.net (Bob Pierce) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 22:26:39 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Rare CR-7A Opportunity - Photos In-Reply-To: <3A23E43FAFA14A39994824DAFFFDEC1D@desktop> References: <3A23E43FAFA14A39994824DAFFFDEC1D@desktop> Message-ID: <0df901ccaff2$3049ef80$90ddce80$@centurytel.net> I have a CR-7E that does not quite work and I would not sell it if you put a gun to my head. My kids heads, well, OK, but not mine. These are heirlooms, the items that our grandchildren will look at and say "what is tape?" Bob From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Martin Short Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 9:14 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Rare CR-7A Opportunity - Photos One thing about any club or society, there is always a plonker..Nice bug you have there Mark, excellent condition indeed, and a rarity these days...my wife who has owned a few beetles in her time is VERY envious!! Good luck with the CR-7A sale, though I am 'foxed' as to why you would part with such a minter... ----- Original Message ----- From: mark slusarski To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 6:33 AM Subject: [naktalk] Rare CR-7A Opportunity - Photos Dear Nakamichi Enthusiasts: In response to several individuals who have requested photos of the CR-7A and TDK MA-XG 90 cassettes I described in my e-mail on 11-29-11, I am glad to comply. To the one person who wrote that my e-mail was basically BS and a pack of lies, it must be a burden to be so judgmental with such a limited grasp of the facts. I didn't give his opinion much thought until he disparaged my '64 Bug. You are right. It couldn't possibly have only 33,000 miles. Thanks to the rest of the Nak community. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Thu Dec 1 14:49:35 2011 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 05:49:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Rare CR-7A Opportunity - Photos In-Reply-To: <0df901ccaff2$3049ef80$90ddce80$@centurytel.net> References: <3A23E43FAFA14A39994824DAFFFDEC1D@desktop> <0df901ccaff2$3049ef80$90ddce80$@centurytel.net> Message-ID: <1322747375.19386.YahooMailRC@web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bob:        That is exactly what a true connoisseur will do. Congratulation. Mike ________________________________ From: Bob Pierce To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thu, December 1, 2011 12:26:39 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Rare CR-7A Opportunity - Photos I have a CR-7E that does not quite work and I would not sell it if you put a gun to my head. My kids heads, well, OK, but not mine. These are heirlooms, the items that our grandchildren will look at and say “what is tape?”   Bob   From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Martin Short Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 9:14 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Rare CR-7A Opportunity - Photos   One thing about any club or society, there is always a plonker..Nice bug you have there Mark, excellent condition indeed, and a rarity these days...my wife who has owned a few beetles in her time is VERY envious!! Good luck with the CR-7A sale, though I am 'foxed' as to why you would part with such a minter...   ----- Original Message ----- From:mark slusarski >To:naktalk at naks.com >Sent:Thursday, December 01, 2011 6:33 AM >Subject:[naktalk] Rare CR-7A Opportunity - Photos >  >Dear Nakamichi Enthusiasts: >  >In response to several individuals who have requested photos of the CR-7A and >TDK MA-XG 90 cassettes I described in my e-mail on 11-29-11, I am glad to >comply. To the one person who wrote that my e-mail was basically BS and a pack >of lies, it must be a burden to be so judgmental with such a limited grasp of >the facts. I didn’t give his opinion much thought until he disparaged my ‘64 >Bug. You are right. It couldn’t possibly have only 33,000 miles. Thanks to the >rest of the Nak community. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lucidsound at ic24.net Sat Dec 3 23:32:54 2011 From: lucidsound at ic24.net (Lucidsounds) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 22:32:54 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? References: <201111271106.pARB05wp008099@zxe.naks.com><5E4D0B766D934AD190C5037438D8A9A0@Magdallen> Message-ID: OK, so here's what happened. I gave up trying to remove the cassette door, that was just to much work, but the pad lifter came off easy. I then used some trichloroethane on a swab and polished for about 10 minutes. There is still some residue of the brown stain left, but I checked the frequency response and it records and replays up to -3dB @ 23kHz on a chrome tape, so I figure that's good enough. But....and here's the bext problem... It still sounds lousy when playing back my Dolby C pre-recorded tapes. There is a lot of 'pumping', the dynamics just don't sound right at all. I checked the Dolby replay level with a test tape and that comes up right on spec, and I tweaked the replay azimuth (although it didn't really need it) but it definitely sounds like there is too much attenuation of low-level HF signals on replay. By contrast, I dropped the same tape into a Sony TC-K970ES that I just picked up, and the tapes sound absolutely fine on that, without any tweaking whatsoever. So my question is, could this be yet another problem with orange capacitors on the Dolby card? Or is it a recognised issue that Naks don't track other manufacturer's Dolby systems too well? Thanks! Lucid. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryl Kaupp" To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 9:37 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? > Bummer. Hope it goes well. > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Lucidsounds > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 10:31 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? > > On the ZX there is no glass or clear plastic panel. Weird but there you > go. > > You can remove the outer door cover easy, but it's still a real pain > trying > to reach the heads, so I think that door is gonna have to come off. I > can't > see how you would reach down to remove the pad lifter otherwise. Both of > those will make cleaning the head a whole lot easier. > > Will report back, > > Cheers! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cheryl Kaupp" > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 7:30 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? > > >> >> >> You will definitely need to remove the pad lifter to do a thorough >> cleaning. >> Make a note on the orientation as I seem to recall there was a slight >> difference on the front edge versus the back edge. Or, it could have just >> been my old eyes... >> >> I don't think you need to remove the door on your ZX (besides, it can be >> a >> real pain). >> >> On the 581/582 the clear plastic panel is easy to remove. You just grab >> it >> at the top and pull if off. To re-install you need to make sure you >> insert >> the bottom edge correctly. >> >> On the 682zx the clear plastic panel has a small thumbscrew on each side >> that holds it on. Don't know how it works on the ZX-7 but it is likely >> similar to these other models and is easily removeable. Yeah, Nakamichi >> thought of darn near everything. >> >> Once you get the clear plastic panel out of the door you will have really >> good access for head cleaning. >> >> Have fun and report back! >> Cheryl >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >> Behalf >> Of Lucidsounds >> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 8:32 AM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >> >> Yes that sounds like the same thing. The problem I have with the ZX-7 is >> the door and pad lifter are in the way as well, so I think I need to >> remove >> those and then hopefully that will give me better access. Someone >> suggested >> a wooden toothpick together with some strong solvents. I don't think the >> deck has had a bad life, because the mechanics are all in good order and >> cosmetics are good. Lack of use in a damp environment perhaps? >> >> Thanks for replying! >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Cheryl Kaupp" >> To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 3:08 AM >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >> >> >>> >>> The 582 I bought off ebay looked like the heads were rusted -- even >>> under >>> 3x >>> magnification it looked like rust. >>> >>> The top layer was very hard to get off -- it was like it had hardened >>> into >>> something impervious to solvents. But after working at it and saturating >>> the >>> rust colored substance numerous times it began to soften and come off. >>> It >>> took about 9 rounds of cleaning with new q-tips each time to finally get >>> it >>> all off. Eventually a nice, smooth, shiny head was revealed. >>> >>> Aloha, >>> Cheryl >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Lucidsounds >>> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 12:42 PM >>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >>> >>> Indeed, but IPA and even a drop of acetone won't shift it. Ideas? >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: >>> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 9:53 PM >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >>> >>> >>>> That sounds more like Oxide build up.. heads need a good clean?? >>>> >>>>> Alignment is not the problem, the problem is what looks like rust >>>>> across >>>>> the face of the heads. >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Rainer & Joy-Ell >>>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 5:36 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I would make sure heads are in alignment, absolutely crucial to good >>>>> performance! >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Rainer >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Lucidsounds >>>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 8:33 AM >>>>> Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Having resolved the bias problem, I can now see that the playback >>>>> response drops off sharply. The reason being the heads look to be >>>>> well worn on this machine. >>>>> >>>>> Any suggestions as to what can be done about that? Are they even >>>>> available? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Lucid. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>> >>>>> >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>> Maintain your account here: >>>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>> >>>>> >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> -- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>> >>>>> >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>> Maintain your account here: >>>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>> >>>>> >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: >>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From douglas at yogarecords.com Mon Dec 5 07:03:24 2011 From: douglas at yogarecords.com (Douglas Mcgowan) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 22:03:24 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] help needed on 670zx playback issue Message-ID: <50F791D8-9D1B-4118-8DBB-F403C1CA5E6B@yogarecords.com> Hello, I just found this excellent forum and need to ask a question of the experts about a beautiful 670zx I just picked up today. It powers up and plays and otherwise forwards and rewinds the tape in a seemingly flawless fashion except for one thing -- the meters don't move and it's not putting out any sound. I'm familiar enough with all the switches to know that's not the issue. I opened the thing up and was amazed by how much is going on inside (and how toxic it smelled). I noticed a replaceable and was wondering if this might be the issue. Hope someone can help with this -- would really like to make this my main deck. Thank you, Douglas From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Mon Dec 5 10:48:22 2011 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 01:48:22 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] help needed on 670zx playback issue In-Reply-To: <50F791D8-9D1B-4118-8DBB-F403C1CA5E6B@yogarecords.com> References: <50F791D8-9D1B-4118-8DBB-F403C1CA5E6B@yogarecords.com> Message-ID: I guess the obvious question would be . . . you noticed a replaceable what? Fred owner Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 10:03 PM, Douglas Mcgowan wrote: > Hello, I just found this excellent forum and need to ask a question of the > experts about a beautiful 670zx I just picked up today. It powers up and > plays and otherwise forwards and rewinds the tape in a seemingly flawless > fashion except for one thing -- the meters don't move and it's not putting > out any sound. I'm familiar enough with all the switches to know that's not > the issue. I opened the thing up and was amazed by how much is going on > inside (and how toxic it smelled). I noticed a replaceable and was > wondering if this might be the issue. Hope someone can help with this -- > would really like to make this my main deck. > > Thank you, Douglas > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Mon Dec 5 17:34:04 2011 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 08:34:04 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] help needed on 670zx playback issue In-Reply-To: <50F791D8-9D1B-4118-8DBB-F403C1CA5E6B@yogarecords.com> References: <50F791D8-9D1B-4118-8DBB-F403C1CA5E6B@yogarecords.com> Message-ID: Believe it or not, this problem is caused by the stop lamp burning out. You should replace the lamp at some point but if you jump a 1K resistor between pins 3 and 8 on connector CN-5 on the logic board (remove the bottom plate and find the connector near the center bar) the unit should come out of mute and produce audio. Best of luck. Willy On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 10:03 PM, Douglas Mcgowan wrote: > Hello, I just found this excellent forum and need to ask a question of the > experts about a beautiful 670zx I just picked up today. It powers up and > plays and otherwise forwards and rewinds the tape in a seemingly flawless > fashion except for one thing -- the meters don't move and it's not putting > out any sound. I'm familiar enough with all the switches to know that's not > the issue. I opened the thing up and was amazed by how much is going on > inside (and how toxic it smelled). I noticed a replaceable and was > wondering if this might be the issue. Hope someone can help with this -- > would really like to make this my main deck. > > Thank you, Douglas > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Mon Dec 5 20:54:47 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 09:54:47 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? In-Reply-To: References: <201111271106.pARB05wp008099@zxe.naks.com><5E4D0B766D934AD190C5037438D8A9A0@Magdallen> Message-ID: When the right channel on my 581 quit working with Dolby ON it turned out to be one of the orange caps in the Dolby circuit. The symptoms were a little different: Extremely low, almost non-existent output from the channel. What sound was there was noisy and distorted. Do you have a meter capable of checking capacitance? I got a cheapie off of Amazon that seems to work just fine for my purposes. The only negative is the manual sucks. I used a bunch of new caps to figure out how to use the meter. Aloha, Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Lucidsounds Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 12:33 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? OK, so here's what happened. I gave up trying to remove the cassette door, that was just to much work, but the pad lifter came off easy. I then used some trichloroethane on a swab and polished for about 10 minutes. There is still some residue of the brown stain left, but I checked the frequency response and it records and replays up to -3dB @ 23kHz on a chrome tape, so I figure that's good enough. But....and here's the bext problem... It still sounds lousy when playing back my Dolby C pre-recorded tapes. There is a lot of 'pumping', the dynamics just don't sound right at all. I checked the Dolby replay level with a test tape and that comes up right on spec, and I tweaked the replay azimuth (although it didn't really need it) but it definitely sounds like there is too much attenuation of low-level HF signals on replay. By contrast, I dropped the same tape into a Sony TC-K970ES that I just picked up, and the tapes sound absolutely fine on that, without any tweaking whatsoever. So my question is, could this be yet another problem with orange capacitors on the Dolby card? Or is it a recognised issue that Naks don't track other manufacturer's Dolby systems too well? Thanks! Lucid. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryl Kaupp" To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 9:37 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? > Bummer. Hope it goes well. > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Lucidsounds > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 10:31 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? > > On the ZX there is no glass or clear plastic panel. Weird but there you > go. > > You can remove the outer door cover easy, but it's still a real pain > trying > to reach the heads, so I think that door is gonna have to come off. I > can't > see how you would reach down to remove the pad lifter otherwise. Both of > those will make cleaning the head a whole lot easier. > > Will report back, > > Cheers! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cheryl Kaupp" > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 7:30 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? > > >> >> >> You will definitely need to remove the pad lifter to do a thorough >> cleaning. >> Make a note on the orientation as I seem to recall there was a slight >> difference on the front edge versus the back edge. Or, it could have just >> been my old eyes... >> >> I don't think you need to remove the door on your ZX (besides, it can be >> a >> real pain). >> >> On the 581/582 the clear plastic panel is easy to remove. You just grab >> it >> at the top and pull if off. To re-install you need to make sure you >> insert >> the bottom edge correctly. >> >> On the 682zx the clear plastic panel has a small thumbscrew on each side >> that holds it on. Don't know how it works on the ZX-7 but it is likely >> similar to these other models and is easily removeable. Yeah, Nakamichi >> thought of darn near everything. >> >> Once you get the clear plastic panel out of the door you will have really >> good access for head cleaning. >> >> Have fun and report back! >> Cheryl >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >> Behalf >> Of Lucidsounds >> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 8:32 AM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >> >> Yes that sounds like the same thing. The problem I have with the ZX-7 is >> the door and pad lifter are in the way as well, so I think I need to >> remove >> those and then hopefully that will give me better access. Someone >> suggested >> a wooden toothpick together with some strong solvents. I don't think the >> deck has had a bad life, because the mechanics are all in good order and >> cosmetics are good. Lack of use in a damp environment perhaps? >> >> Thanks for replying! >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Cheryl Kaupp" >> To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 3:08 AM >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >> >> >>> >>> The 582 I bought off ebay looked like the heads were rusted -- even >>> under >>> 3x >>> magnification it looked like rust. >>> >>> The top layer was very hard to get off -- it was like it had hardened >>> into >>> something impervious to solvents. But after working at it and saturating >>> the >>> rust colored substance numerous times it began to soften and come off. >>> It >>> took about 9 rounds of cleaning with new q-tips each time to finally get >>> it >>> all off. Eventually a nice, smooth, shiny head was revealed. >>> >>> Aloha, >>> Cheryl >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Lucidsounds >>> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 12:42 PM >>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >>> >>> Indeed, but IPA and even a drop of acetone won't shift it. Ideas? >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: >>> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 9:53 PM >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >>> >>> >>>> That sounds more like Oxide build up.. heads need a good clean?? >>>> >>>>> Alignment is not the problem, the problem is what looks like rust >>>>> across >>>>> the face of the heads. >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Rainer & Joy-Ell >>>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 5:36 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I would make sure heads are in alignment, absolutely crucial to good >>>>> performance! >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Rainer >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Lucidsounds >>>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 8:33 AM >>>>> Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Having resolved the bias problem, I can now see that the playback >>>>> response drops off sharply. The reason being the heads look to be >>>>> well worn on this machine. >>>>> >>>>> Any suggestions as to what can be done about that? Are they even >>>>> available? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Lucid. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>> >>>>> >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>> Maintain your account here: >>>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>> >>>>> >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> -- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>> >>>>> >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>> Maintain your account here: >>>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>> >>>>> >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: >>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From lucidsound at ic24.net Mon Dec 5 21:19:54 2011 From: lucidsound at ic24.net (Lucidsounds) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 20:19:54 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? References: <201111271106.pARB05wp008099@zxe.naks.com><5E4D0B766D934AD190C5037438D8A9A0@Magdallen> Message-ID: <7444C8AED09943DF863A20CF3EC8972F@Magdallen> Yes I have a cap meter, I was able to measure the ones that came out of the bias circuit and the values were well weird. Some had gone high and others low, there was no consistency even between ones that should have been the same value. Any idea where to start on the Dolby board, or should I just dive in and check all of them one at a time? Thanks! Lucid. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryl Kaupp" To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 7:54 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? > > When the right channel on my 581 quit working with Dolby ON it turned out > to > be one of the orange caps in the Dolby circuit. The symptoms were a little > different: Extremely low, almost non-existent output from the channel. > What > sound was there was noisy and distorted. Do you have a meter capable of > checking capacitance? I got a cheapie off of Amazon that seems to work > just > fine for my purposes. The only negative is the manual sucks. I used a > bunch > of new caps to figure out how to use the meter. > > Aloha, > Cheryl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Lucidsounds > Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 12:33 PM > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? > > OK, so here's what happened. I gave up trying to remove the cassette > door, > that was just to much work, but the pad lifter came off easy. I then used > some trichloroethane on a swab and polished for about 10 minutes. There > is > still some residue of the brown stain left, but I checked the frequency > response and it records and replays up to -3dB @ 23kHz on a chrome tape, > so > I figure that's good enough. > > But....and here's the bext problem... > > It still sounds lousy when playing back my Dolby C pre-recorded tapes. > There > is a lot of 'pumping', the dynamics just don't sound right at all. I > checked the Dolby replay level with a test tape and that comes up right on > spec, and I tweaked the replay azimuth (although it didn't really need it) > but it definitely sounds like there is too much attenuation of low-level > HF > signals on replay. By contrast, I dropped the same tape into a Sony > TC-K970ES that I just picked up, and the tapes sound absolutely fine on > that, without any tweaking whatsoever. > > So my question is, could this be yet another problem with orange > capacitors > on the Dolby card? Or is it a recognised issue that Naks don't track > other > manufacturer's Dolby systems too well? > > > Thanks! > > > Lucid. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cheryl Kaupp" > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 9:37 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? > > >> Bummer. Hope it goes well. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >> Behalf >> Of Lucidsounds >> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 10:31 AM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >> >> On the ZX there is no glass or clear plastic panel. Weird but there you >> go. >> >> You can remove the outer door cover easy, but it's still a real pain >> trying >> to reach the heads, so I think that door is gonna have to come off. I >> can't >> see how you would reach down to remove the pad lifter otherwise. Both of >> those will make cleaning the head a whole lot easier. >> >> Will report back, >> >> Cheers! >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Cheryl Kaupp" >> To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 7:30 PM >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >> >> >>> >>> >>> You will definitely need to remove the pad lifter to do a thorough >>> cleaning. >>> Make a note on the orientation as I seem to recall there was a slight >>> difference on the front edge versus the back edge. Or, it could have >>> just >>> been my old eyes... >>> >>> I don't think you need to remove the door on your ZX (besides, it can be >>> a >>> real pain). >>> >>> On the 581/582 the clear plastic panel is easy to remove. You just grab >>> it >>> at the top and pull if off. To re-install you need to make sure you >>> insert >>> the bottom edge correctly. >>> >>> On the 682zx the clear plastic panel has a small thumbscrew on each side >>> that holds it on. Don't know how it works on the ZX-7 but it is likely >>> similar to these other models and is easily removeable. Yeah, Nakamichi >>> thought of darn near everything. >>> >>> Once you get the clear plastic panel out of the door you will have >>> really >>> good access for head cleaning. >>> >>> Have fun and report back! >>> Cheryl >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Lucidsounds >>> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 8:32 AM >>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >>> >>> Yes that sounds like the same thing. The problem I have with the ZX-7 >>> is >>> the door and pad lifter are in the way as well, so I think I need to >>> remove >>> those and then hopefully that will give me better access. Someone >>> suggested >>> a wooden toothpick together with some strong solvents. I don't think >>> the >>> deck has had a bad life, because the mechanics are all in good order and >>> cosmetics are good. Lack of use in a damp environment perhaps? >>> >>> Thanks for replying! >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Cheryl Kaupp" >>> To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >>> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 3:08 AM >>> Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >>> >>> >>>> >>>> The 582 I bought off ebay looked like the heads were rusted -- even >>>> under >>>> 3x >>>> magnification it looked like rust. >>>> >>>> The top layer was very hard to get off -- it was like it had hardened >>>> into >>>> something impervious to solvents. But after working at it and >>>> saturating >>>> the >>>> rust colored substance numerous times it began to soften and come off. >>>> It >>>> took about 9 rounds of cleaning with new q-tips each time to finally >>>> get >>>> it >>>> all off. Eventually a nice, smooth, shiny head was revealed. >>>> >>>> Aloha, >>>> Cheryl >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >>>> Behalf >>>> Of Lucidsounds >>>> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 12:42 PM >>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >>>> >>>> Indeed, but IPA and even a drop of acetone won't shift it. Ideas? >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: >>>> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>>> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 9:53 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >>>> >>>> >>>>> That sounds more like Oxide build up.. heads need a good clean?? >>>>> >>>>>> Alignment is not the problem, the problem is what looks like rust >>>>>> across >>>>>> the face of the heads. >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: Rainer & Joy-Ell >>>>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 5:36 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I would make sure heads are in alignment, absolutely crucial to >>>>>> good >>>>>> performance! >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Rainer >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: Lucidsounds >>>>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 8:33 AM >>>>>> Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Having resolved the bias problem, I can now see that the playback >>>>>> response drops off sharply. The reason being the heads look to be >>>>>> well worn on this machine. >>>>>> >>>>>> Any suggestions as to what can be done about that? Are they even >>>>>> available? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> >>>>>> Lucid. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>> Maintain your account here: >>>>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>> Maintain your account here: >>>>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>> >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>> Maintain your account here: >>>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>> >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: >>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: >>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl Mon Dec 5 22:19:25 2011 From: naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl (Norman Naktalk van Wijnen) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 22:19:25 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? In-Reply-To: References: <201111271106.pARB05wp008099@zxe.naks.com><5E4D0B766D934AD190C5037438D8A9A0@Magdallen> Message-ID: <000301ccb393$908dd380$b1a97a80$@nl> Hi Cheryl and Lucid, I use a PEAK atlas LCR40 for capacity checking and that one is very usable. Regards Norman -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens Cheryl Kaupp Verzonden: maandag 5 december 2011 20:55 Aan: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Onderwerp: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? When the right channel on my 581 quit working with Dolby ON it turned out to be one of the orange caps in the Dolby circuit. The symptoms were a little different: Extremely low, almost non-existent output from the channel. What sound was there was noisy and distorted. Do you have a meter capable of checking capacitance? I got a cheapie off of Amazon that seems to work just fine for my purposes. The only negative is the manual sucks. I used a bunch of new caps to figure out how to use the meter. Aloha, Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Lucidsounds Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 12:33 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? OK, so here's what happened. I gave up trying to remove the cassette door, that was just to much work, but the pad lifter came off easy. I then used some trichloroethane on a swab and polished for about 10 minutes. There is still some residue of the brown stain left, but I checked the frequency response and it records and replays up to -3dB @ 23kHz on a chrome tape, so I figure that's good enough. But....and here's the bext problem... It still sounds lousy when playing back my Dolby C pre-recorded tapes. There is a lot of 'pumping', the dynamics just don't sound right at all. I checked the Dolby replay level with a test tape and that comes up right on spec, and I tweaked the replay azimuth (although it didn't really need it) but it definitely sounds like there is too much attenuation of low-level HF signals on replay. By contrast, I dropped the same tape into a Sony TC-K970ES that I just picked up, and the tapes sound absolutely fine on that, without any tweaking whatsoever. So my question is, could this be yet another problem with orange capacitors on the Dolby card? Or is it a recognised issue that Naks don't track other manufacturer's Dolby systems too well? Thanks! Lucid. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryl Kaupp" To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 9:37 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? > Bummer. Hope it goes well. > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Lucidsounds > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 10:31 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? > > On the ZX there is no glass or clear plastic panel. Weird but there you > go. > > You can remove the outer door cover easy, but it's still a real pain > trying > to reach the heads, so I think that door is gonna have to come off. I > can't > see how you would reach down to remove the pad lifter otherwise. Both of > those will make cleaning the head a whole lot easier. > > Will report back, > > Cheers! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cheryl Kaupp" > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 7:30 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? > > >> >> >> You will definitely need to remove the pad lifter to do a thorough >> cleaning. >> Make a note on the orientation as I seem to recall there was a slight >> difference on the front edge versus the back edge. Or, it could have just >> been my old eyes... >> >> I don't think you need to remove the door on your ZX (besides, it can be >> a >> real pain). >> >> On the 581/582 the clear plastic panel is easy to remove. You just grab >> it >> at the top and pull if off. To re-install you need to make sure you >> insert >> the bottom edge correctly. >> >> On the 682zx the clear plastic panel has a small thumbscrew on each side >> that holds it on. Don't know how it works on the ZX-7 but it is likely >> similar to these other models and is easily removeable. Yeah, Nakamichi >> thought of darn near everything. >> >> Once you get the clear plastic panel out of the door you will have really >> good access for head cleaning. >> >> Have fun and report back! >> Cheryl >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >> Behalf >> Of Lucidsounds >> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 8:32 AM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >> >> Yes that sounds like the same thing. The problem I have with the ZX-7 is >> the door and pad lifter are in the way as well, so I think I need to >> remove >> those and then hopefully that will give me better access. Someone >> suggested >> a wooden toothpick together with some strong solvents. I don't think the >> deck has had a bad life, because the mechanics are all in good order and >> cosmetics are good. Lack of use in a damp environment perhaps? >> >> Thanks for replying! >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Cheryl Kaupp" >> To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 3:08 AM >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >> >> >>> >>> The 582 I bought off ebay looked like the heads were rusted -- even >>> under >>> 3x >>> magnification it looked like rust. >>> >>> The top layer was very hard to get off -- it was like it had hardened >>> into >>> something impervious to solvents. But after working at it and saturating >>> the >>> rust colored substance numerous times it began to soften and come off. >>> It >>> took about 9 rounds of cleaning with new q-tips each time to finally get >>> it >>> all off. Eventually a nice, smooth, shiny head was revealed. >>> >>> Aloha, >>> Cheryl >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Lucidsounds >>> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 12:42 PM >>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >>> >>> Indeed, but IPA and even a drop of acetone won't shift it. Ideas? >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: >>> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 9:53 PM >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >>> >>> >>>> That sounds more like Oxide build up.. heads need a good clean?? >>>> >>>>> Alignment is not the problem, the problem is what looks like rust >>>>> across >>>>> the face of the heads. >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Rainer & Joy-Ell >>>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 5:36 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I would make sure heads are in alignment, absolutely crucial to good >>>>> performance! >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Rainer >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Lucidsounds >>>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 8:33 AM >>>>> Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Having resolved the bias problem, I can now see that the playback >>>>> response drops off sharply. The reason being the heads look to be >>>>> well worn on this machine. >>>>> >>>>> Any suggestions as to what can be done about that? Are they even >>>>> available? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Lucid. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>> >>>>> >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>> Maintain your account here: >>>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>> >>>>> >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> -- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>> >>>>> >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>> Maintain your account here: >>>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>> >>>>> >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: >>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Mon Dec 5 22:39:21 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 11:39:21 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? In-Reply-To: <7444C8AED09943DF863A20CF3EC8972F@Magdallen> References: <201111271106.pARB05wp008099@zxe.naks.com><5E4D0B766D934AD190C5037438D8A9A0@Magdallen> <7444C8AED09943DF863A20CF3EC8972F@Magdallen> Message-ID: I'm not familiar with the ZX-7, but would start with checking just the orange caps on the Dolby board. Willy or Perry might be able to tell you the likely culprits. I suspect you know that you may have to unsolder one leg to get an accurate reading. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Lucidsounds Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 10:20 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? Yes I have a cap meter, I was able to measure the ones that came out of the bias circuit and the values were well weird. Some had gone high and others low, there was no consistency even between ones that should have been the same value. Any idea where to start on the Dolby board, or should I just dive in and check all of them one at a time? Thanks! Lucid. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryl Kaupp" To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 7:54 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? > > When the right channel on my 581 quit working with Dolby ON it turned out > to > be one of the orange caps in the Dolby circuit. The symptoms were a little > different: Extremely low, almost non-existent output from the channel. > What > sound was there was noisy and distorted. Do you have a meter capable of > checking capacitance? I got a cheapie off of Amazon that seems to work > just > fine for my purposes. The only negative is the manual sucks. I used a > bunch > of new caps to figure out how to use the meter. > > Aloha, > Cheryl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Lucidsounds > Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 12:33 PM > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? > > OK, so here's what happened. I gave up trying to remove the cassette > door, > that was just to much work, but the pad lifter came off easy. I then used > some trichloroethane on a swab and polished for about 10 minutes. There > is > still some residue of the brown stain left, but I checked the frequency > response and it records and replays up to -3dB @ 23kHz on a chrome tape, > so > I figure that's good enough. > > But....and here's the bext problem... > > It still sounds lousy when playing back my Dolby C pre-recorded tapes. > There > is a lot of 'pumping', the dynamics just don't sound right at all. I > checked the Dolby replay level with a test tape and that comes up right on > spec, and I tweaked the replay azimuth (although it didn't really need it) > but it definitely sounds like there is too much attenuation of low-level > HF > signals on replay. By contrast, I dropped the same tape into a Sony > TC-K970ES that I just picked up, and the tapes sound absolutely fine on > that, without any tweaking whatsoever. > > So my question is, could this be yet another problem with orange > capacitors > on the Dolby card? Or is it a recognised issue that Naks don't track > other > manufacturer's Dolby systems too well? > > > Thanks! > > > Lucid. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cheryl Kaupp" > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 9:37 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? > > >> Bummer. Hope it goes well. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >> Behalf >> Of Lucidsounds >> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 10:31 AM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >> >> On the ZX there is no glass or clear plastic panel. Weird but there you >> go. >> >> You can remove the outer door cover easy, but it's still a real pain >> trying >> to reach the heads, so I think that door is gonna have to come off. I >> can't >> see how you would reach down to remove the pad lifter otherwise. Both of >> those will make cleaning the head a whole lot easier. >> >> Will report back, >> >> Cheers! >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Cheryl Kaupp" >> To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 7:30 PM >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >> >> >>> >>> >>> You will definitely need to remove the pad lifter to do a thorough >>> cleaning. >>> Make a note on the orientation as I seem to recall there was a slight >>> difference on the front edge versus the back edge. Or, it could have >>> just >>> been my old eyes... >>> >>> I don't think you need to remove the door on your ZX (besides, it can be >>> a >>> real pain). >>> >>> On the 581/582 the clear plastic panel is easy to remove. You just grab >>> it >>> at the top and pull if off. To re-install you need to make sure you >>> insert >>> the bottom edge correctly. >>> >>> On the 682zx the clear plastic panel has a small thumbscrew on each side >>> that holds it on. Don't know how it works on the ZX-7 but it is likely >>> similar to these other models and is easily removeable. Yeah, Nakamichi >>> thought of darn near everything. >>> >>> Once you get the clear plastic panel out of the door you will have >>> really >>> good access for head cleaning. >>> >>> Have fun and report back! >>> Cheryl >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Lucidsounds >>> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 8:32 AM >>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >>> >>> Yes that sounds like the same thing. The problem I have with the ZX-7 >>> is >>> the door and pad lifter are in the way as well, so I think I need to >>> remove >>> those and then hopefully that will give me better access. Someone >>> suggested >>> a wooden toothpick together with some strong solvents. I don't think >>> the >>> deck has had a bad life, because the mechanics are all in good order and >>> cosmetics are good. Lack of use in a damp environment perhaps? >>> >>> Thanks for replying! >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Cheryl Kaupp" >>> To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >>> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 3:08 AM >>> Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >>> >>> >>>> >>>> The 582 I bought off ebay looked like the heads were rusted -- even >>>> under >>>> 3x >>>> magnification it looked like rust. >>>> >>>> The top layer was very hard to get off -- it was like it had hardened >>>> into >>>> something impervious to solvents. But after working at it and >>>> saturating >>>> the >>>> rust colored substance numerous times it began to soften and come off. >>>> It >>>> took about 9 rounds of cleaning with new q-tips each time to finally >>>> get >>>> it >>>> all off. Eventually a nice, smooth, shiny head was revealed. >>>> >>>> Aloha, >>>> Cheryl >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >>>> Behalf >>>> Of Lucidsounds >>>> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 12:42 PM >>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >>>> >>>> Indeed, but IPA and even a drop of acetone won't shift it. Ideas? >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: >>>> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>>> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 9:53 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >>>> >>>> >>>>> That sounds more like Oxide build up.. heads need a good clean?? >>>>> >>>>>> Alignment is not the problem, the problem is what looks like rust >>>>>> across >>>>>> the face of the heads. >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: Rainer & Joy-Ell >>>>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 5:36 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I would make sure heads are in alignment, absolutely crucial to >>>>>> good >>>>>> performance! >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Rainer >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: Lucidsounds >>>>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 8:33 AM >>>>>> Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Having resolved the bias problem, I can now see that the playback >>>>>> response drops off sharply. The reason being the heads look to be >>>>>> well worn on this machine. >>>>>> >>>>>> Any suggestions as to what can be done about that? Are they even >>>>>> available? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> >>>>>> Lucid. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>> Maintain your account here: >>>>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>> Maintain your account here: >>>>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>> >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>> Maintain your account here: >>>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>> >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: >>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: >>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com Tue Dec 6 08:39:08 2011 From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 08:39:08 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? In-Reply-To: References: <201111271106.pARB05wp008099@zxe.naks.com><5E4D0B766D934AD190C5037438D8A9A0@Magdallen> <7444C8AED09943DF863A20CF3EC8972F@Magdallen> Message-ID: <916AC86D-2BFC-4A6D-A7D8-54DD4014DC9F@gmail.com> This liking cups can not be read with a meeter. orange cups show there fault in the circuit under high voltage from oscillator. Some time the transistors next to them need to be changed to. The cups can look good with the meeter, but don´t work in the circuit. regards Am 05.12.2011 um 22:39 schrieb Cheryl Kaupp: > > > I'm not familiar with the ZX-7, but would start with checking just the > orange caps on the Dolby board. Willy or Perry might be able to > tell you the > likely culprits. > I suspect you know that you may have to unsolder one leg to get an > accurate > reading. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf > Of Lucidsounds > Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 10:20 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? > > Yes I have a cap meter, I was able to measure the ones that came > out of the > bias circuit and the values were well weird. Some had gone high > and others > low, there was no consistency even between ones that should have > been the > same value. > > Any idea where to start on the Dolby board, or should I just dive > in and > check all of them one at a time? > > Thanks! > > Lucid. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cheryl Kaupp" > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 7:54 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? > > >> >> When the right channel on my 581 quit working with Dolby ON it >> turned out >> to >> be one of the orange caps in the Dolby circuit. The symptoms were >> a little >> different: Extremely low, almost non-existent output from the >> channel. >> What >> sound was there was noisy and distorted. Do you have a meter >> capable of >> checking capacitance? I got a cheapie off of Amazon that seems to >> work >> just >> fine for my purposes. The only negative is the manual sucks. I used a >> bunch >> of new caps to figure out how to use the meter. >> >> Aloha, >> Cheryl >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] >> On Behalf >> Of Lucidsounds >> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 12:33 PM >> To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >> >> OK, so here's what happened. I gave up trying to remove the cassette >> door, >> that was just to much work, but the pad lifter came off easy. I >> then used >> some trichloroethane on a swab and polished for about 10 minutes. >> There >> is >> still some residue of the brown stain left, but I checked the >> frequency >> response and it records and replays up to -3dB @ 23kHz on a chrome >> tape, >> so >> I figure that's good enough. >> >> But....and here's the bext problem... >> >> It still sounds lousy when playing back my Dolby C pre-recorded >> tapes. >> There >> is a lot of 'pumping', the dynamics just don't sound right at all. I >> checked the Dolby replay level with a test tape and that comes up >> right on >> spec, and I tweaked the replay azimuth (although it didn't really >> need it) >> but it definitely sounds like there is too much attenuation of low- >> level >> HF >> signals on replay. By contrast, I dropped the same tape into a Sony >> TC-K970ES that I just picked up, and the tapes sound absolutely >> fine on >> that, without any tweaking whatsoever. >> >> So my question is, could this be yet another problem with orange >> capacitors >> on the Dolby card? Or is it a recognised issue that Naks don't track >> other >> manufacturer's Dolby systems too well? >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> >> Lucid. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Cheryl Kaupp" >> To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 9:37 PM >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >> >> >>> Bummer. Hope it goes well. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Lucidsounds >>> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 10:31 AM >>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >>> >>> On the ZX there is no glass or clear plastic panel. Weird but >>> there you >>> go. >>> >>> You can remove the outer door cover easy, but it's still a real pain >>> trying >>> to reach the heads, so I think that door is gonna have to come >>> off. I >>> can't >>> see how you would reach down to remove the pad lifter otherwise. >>> Both of >>> those will make cleaning the head a whole lot easier. >>> >>> Will report back, >>> >>> Cheers! >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Cheryl Kaupp" >>> To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >>> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 7:30 PM >>> Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> You will definitely need to remove the pad lifter to do a thorough >>>> cleaning. >>>> Make a note on the orientation as I seem to recall there was a >>>> slight >>>> difference on the front edge versus the back edge. Or, it could >>>> have >>>> just >>>> been my old eyes... >>>> >>>> I don't think you need to remove the door on your ZX (besides, >>>> it can be >>>> a >>>> real pain). >>>> >>>> On the 581/582 the clear plastic panel is easy to remove. You >>>> just grab >>>> it >>>> at the top and pull if off. To re-install you need to make sure you >>>> insert >>>> the bottom edge correctly. >>>> >>>> On the 682zx the clear plastic panel has a small thumbscrew on >>>> each side >>>> that holds it on. Don't know how it works on the ZX-7 but it is >>>> likely >>>> similar to these other models and is easily removeable. Yeah, >>>> Nakamichi >>>> thought of darn near everything. >>>> >>>> Once you get the clear plastic panel out of the door you will have >>>> really >>>> good access for head cleaning. >>>> >>>> Have fun and report back! >>>> Cheryl >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >>>> Behalf >>>> Of Lucidsounds >>>> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 8:32 AM >>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >>>> >>>> Yes that sounds like the same thing. The problem I have with >>>> the ZX-7 >>>> is >>>> the door and pad lifter are in the way as well, so I think I >>>> need to >>>> remove >>>> those and then hopefully that will give me better access. Someone >>>> suggested >>>> a wooden toothpick together with some strong solvents. I don't >>>> think >>>> the >>>> deck has had a bad life, because the mechanics are all in good >>>> order and >>>> cosmetics are good. Lack of use in a damp environment perhaps? >>>> >>>> Thanks for replying! >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Cheryl Kaupp" >>>> To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >>>> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 3:08 AM >>>> Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> The 582 I bought off ebay looked like the heads were rusted -- >>>>> even >>>>> under >>>>> 3x >>>>> magnification it looked like rust. >>>>> >>>>> The top layer was very hard to get off -- it was like it had >>>>> hardened >>>>> into >>>>> something impervious to solvents. But after working at it and >>>>> saturating >>>>> the >>>>> rust colored substance numerous times it began to soften and >>>>> come off. >>>>> It >>>>> took about 9 rounds of cleaning with new q-tips each time to >>>>> finally >>>>> get >>>>> it >>>>> all off. Eventually a nice, smooth, shiny head was revealed. >>>>> >>>>> Aloha, >>>>> Cheryl >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk- >>>>> bounces at naks.com] On >>>>> Behalf >>>>> Of Lucidsounds >>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 12:42 PM >>>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >>>>> >>>>> Indeed, but IPA and even a drop of acetone won't shift it. Ideas? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: >>>>> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 9:53 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> That sounds more like Oxide build up.. heads need a good clean?? >>>>>> >>>>>>> Alignment is not the problem, the problem is what looks like >>>>>>> rust >>>>>>> across >>>>>>> the face of the heads. >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: Rainer & Joy-Ell >>>>>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 5:36 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would make sure heads are in alignment, absolutely >>>>>>> crucial to >>>>>>> good >>>>>>> performance! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> Rainer >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: Lucidsounds >>>>>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 8:33 AM >>>>>>> Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Having resolved the bias problem, I can now see that the >>>>>>> playback >>>>>>> response drops off sharply. The reason being the heads look >>>>>>> to be >>>>>>> well worn on this machine. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Any suggestions as to what can be done about that? Are >>>>>>> they even >>>>>>> available? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Lucid. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= >>>>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= >>>>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>>> Maintain your account here: >>>>>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ >>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= >>>>>>> Also check out the wiki! 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http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >>> naktalk >>> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= >>> >>> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >>> naktalk >>> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= >> >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From rkrause at multiplan.com.br Mon Dec 5 17:43:39 2011 From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 14:43:39 -0200 Subject: RES: [naktalk] Rare CR-7A Opportunity - Photos In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC4041AB848@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br> Great pictures (the bug)! My grandfather had a 63 model and it ran on 6 volts...the lighting system that is...! And he gave it away to his harvesting machine operator! Regards to all Nak folks. Rodrigo De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de mark slusarski Enviada em: quarta-feira, 30 de novembro de 2011 15:33 Para: naktalk at naks.com Assunto: [naktalk] Rare CR-7A Opportunity - Photos Dear Nakamichi Enthusiasts: In response to several individuals who have requested photos of the CR-7A and TDK MA-XG 90 cassettes I described in my e-mail on 11-29-11, I am glad to comply. To the one person who wrote that my e-mail was basically BS and a pack of lies, it must be a burden to be so judgmental with such a limited grasp of the facts. I didn't give his opinion much thought until he disparaged my '64 Bug. You are right. It couldn't possibly have only 33,000 miles. Thanks to the rest of the Nak community. Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes privilegiadas e/ou de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem autorizacao do remetente. Portanto, se voce recebeu esta mensagem por engano, por favor, nos informe respondendo imediatamente a este e-mail e em seguida apague-a. A empresa MULTIPLAN nao se responsabiliza por conclusoes, opinioes, ou outras informacoes nesta mensagem que nao se relacionem com sua linha de negocios. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 6 01:53:04 2011 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 16:53:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1323132784.96453.YahooMailClassic@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Lucid, I have found this also between the older Naks and newer.  Tom B explained this to me several years ago but I cannot remember the details now.Tom, are you here?Bob N --- On Sat, 12/3/11, Lucidsounds wrote: From: Lucidsounds Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Saturday, December 3, 2011, 2:32 PM OK, so here's what happened.  I gave up trying to remove the cassette door, that was just to much work, but the pad lifter came off easy. I then used some trichloroethane on a swab and polished for about 10 minutes.  There is still some residue of the brown stain left, but I checked the frequency response and it records and replays up to -3dB @ 23kHz on a chrome tape, so I figure that's good enough. But....and here's the bext problem... It still sounds lousy when playing back my Dolby C pre-recorded tapes. There is a lot of 'pumping', the dynamics just don't sound right at all.  I checked the Dolby replay level with a test tape and that comes up right on spec, and I tweaked the replay azimuth (although it didn't really need it) but it definitely sounds like there is too much attenuation of low-level HF signals on replay.  By contrast, I dropped the same tape into a Sony TC-K970ES that I just picked up, and the tapes sound absolutely fine on that, without any tweaking whatsoever. So my question is, could this be yet another problem with orange capacitors on the Dolby card?  Or is it a recognised issue that Naks don't track other manufacturer's Dolby systems too well? Thanks! Lucid. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryl Kaupp" To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 9:37 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? > Bummer. Hope it goes well. > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Lucidsounds > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 10:31 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? > > On the ZX there is no glass or clear plastic panel.  Weird but there you > go. > > You can remove the outer door cover easy, but it's still a real pain > trying > to reach the heads, so I think that door is gonna have to come off.  I > can't > see how you would reach down to remove the pad lifter otherwise.  Both of > those will make cleaning the head a whole lot easier. > > Will report back, > > Cheers! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cheryl Kaupp" > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 7:30 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? > > >> >> >> You will definitely need to remove the pad lifter to do a thorough >> cleaning. >> Make a note on the orientation as I seem to recall there was a slight >> difference on the front edge versus the back edge. Or, it could have just >> been my old eyes... >> >> I don't think you need to remove the door on your ZX (besides, it can be >> a >> real pain). >> >> On the 581/582 the clear plastic panel is easy to remove. You just grab >> it >> at the top and pull if off. To re-install you need to make sure you >> insert >> the bottom edge correctly. >> >> On the 682zx the clear plastic panel has a small thumbscrew on each side >> that holds it on. Don't know how it works on the ZX-7 but it is likely >> similar to these other models and is easily removeable. Yeah, Nakamichi >> thought of darn near everything. >> >> Once you get the clear plastic panel out of the door you will have really >> good access for head cleaning. >> >> Have fun and report back! >> Cheryl >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >> Behalf >> Of Lucidsounds >> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 8:32 AM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >> >> Yes that sounds like the same thing.  The problem I have with the ZX-7 is >> the door and pad lifter are in the way as well, so I think I need to >> remove >> those and then hopefully that will give me better access.  Someone >> suggested >> a wooden toothpick together with some strong solvents.  I don't think the >> deck has had a bad life, because the mechanics are all in good order and >> cosmetics are good.  Lack of use in a damp environment perhaps? >> >> Thanks for replying! >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Cheryl Kaupp" >> To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 3:08 AM >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >> >> >>> >>> The 582 I bought off ebay looked like the heads were rusted -- even >>> under >>> 3x >>> magnification it looked like rust. >>> >>> The top layer was very hard to get off -- it was like it had hardened >>> into >>> something impervious to solvents. But after working at it and saturating >>> the >>> rust colored substance numerous times it began to soften and come off. >>> It >>> took about 9 rounds of cleaning with new q-tips each time to finally get >>> it >>> all off. Eventually a nice, smooth, shiny head was revealed. >>> >>> Aloha, >>> Cheryl >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Lucidsounds >>> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 12:42 PM >>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >>> >>> Indeed, but IPA and even a drop of acetone won't shift it.  Ideas? >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: >>> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 9:53 PM >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >>> >>> >>>> That sounds more like Oxide build up.. heads need a good clean?? >>>> >>>>> Alignment is not the problem, the problem is what looks like rust >>>>> across >>>>> the face of the heads. >>>>>   ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>   From: Rainer & Joy-Ell >>>>>   To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>>   Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 5:36 PM >>>>>   Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>   I would make sure heads are in alignment, absolutely crucial to good >>>>> performance! >>>>> >>>>>   Cheers, >>>>>   Rainer >>>>>     ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>     From: Lucidsounds >>>>>     To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>>     Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 8:33 AM >>>>>     Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>     Having resolved the bias problem, I can now see that the playback >>>>> response drops off sharply.  The reason being the heads look to be >>>>> well worn on this machine. >>>>> >>>>>     Any suggestions as to what can be done about that?  Are they even >>>>> available? >>>>> >>>>>     Thanks, >>>>> >>>>>     Lucid. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>               Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>> >>>>> >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>                             Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>     Maintain your account here: >>>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>> >>>>> >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> -- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>             Also check out the wiki! 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Perry Esposito - From my phone From andrey.butuzov at gmail.com Wed Dec 7 12:23:25 2011 From: andrey.butuzov at gmail.com (Andrey Butuzov) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 15:23:25 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nakamichi calibration tapes Message-ID: <4edf4cb5.c820cc0a.64ba.3fd9@mx.google.com> I was second, who made bid on the auction! But you win! The price for which you bought for me too high. Congratulations! Andrey. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz Thu Dec 8 00:52:24 2011 From: shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz (shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 12:52:24 +1300 (NZDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi calibration tapes In-Reply-To: <201112071106.pB7B03Qj017549@zxe.naks.com> References: <201112071106.pB7B03Qj017549@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <10d53bc947a6f667d57868801d53f17f.squirrel@my.actrix.co.nz> Perry, Yes, saw them, but now that Guennadi ( a Nak-talk list member) is making new cal tapes of equivalent performance at a good price, it has taken the heat out of any ebay contest over factory cal tapes for most Nak-Talkers at least, and certainly for me anyway. I could be talking out of turn, but I believe the only Nak cal tape Guennadi hasn't made/replicated (yet) is the 1K track alignment. Martin > Nakamichi Cal tapes: 9004B 15k azimuth, 9007B 1k track alignment, 9001B > 0k PBFR, 9003B 10k PBFR, 9006C 3k w&f, and 9005B 400k level and only 2 > people bid on them. I can't complain as I won them for under $590 shipped, > which I thought was a great price. But I was quite ready to lose them at > that price. Did no one else see them? > Perry Esposito - From my phone > > From naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl Thu Dec 8 06:14:45 2011 From: naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl (naktalk at nvanwijnen.nl) Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 06:14:45 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi calibration tapes In-Reply-To: <10d53bc947a6f667d57868801d53f17f.squirrel@my.actrix.co.nz> References: <201112071106.pB7B03Qj017549@zxe.naks.com> <10d53bc947a6f667d57868801d53f17f.squirrel@my.actrix.co.nz> Message-ID: <20111208061445.14726cnql1lk8944@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl> Hi all, how to become one of these Guennadi tapes? Does he sell on ebay? Regards Norman Citeren shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz: > Perry, > > Yes, saw them, but now that Guennadi ( a Nak-talk list member) is making > new cal tapes of equivalent performance at a good price, it has taken the > heat out of any ebay contest over factory cal tapes for most Nak-Talkers > at least, and certainly for me anyway. > > I could be talking out of turn, but I believe the only Nak cal tape > Guennadi hasn't made/replicated (yet) is the 1K track alignment. > > > Martin > >> Nakamichi Cal tapes: 9004B 15k azimuth, 9007B 1k track alignment, 9001B >> 0k PBFR, 9003B 10k PBFR, 9006C 3k w&f, and 9005B 400k level and only 2 >> people bid on them. I can't complain as I won them for under $590 shipped, >> which I thought was a great price. But I was quite ready to lose them at >> that price. Did no one else see them? >> Perry Esposito - From my phone >> >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From g.p.lyskin at paradise.net.nz Thu Dec 8 09:11:42 2011 From: g.p.lyskin at paradise.net.nz (Gennady Lyskin) Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 21:11:42 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi calibration tapes References: <201112071106.pB7B03Qj017549@zxe.naks.com> <10d53bc947a6f667d57868801d53f17f.squirrel@my.actrix.co.nz> <20111208061445.14726cnql1lk8944@webmail.nvanwijnen.nl> Message-ID: Hi Norman, Please contact me off-list. Thanks, Cheers, Gennady (Guennadi in French) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi calibration tapes > Hi all, > > how to become one of these Guennadi tapes? Does he sell on ebay? > > Regards Norman > > > Citeren shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz: > >> Perry, >> >> Yes, saw them, but now that Guennadi ( a Nak-talk list member) is making >> new cal tapes of equivalent performance at a good price, it has taken the >> heat out of any ebay contest over factory cal tapes for most Nak-Talkers >> at least, and certainly for me anyway. >> >> I could be talking out of turn, but I believe the only Nak cal tape >> Guennadi hasn't made/replicated (yet) is the 1K track alignment. >> >> >> Martin >> >>> Nakamichi Cal tapes: 9004B 15k azimuth, 9007B 1k track alignment, 9001B >>> 0k PBFR, 9003B 10k PBFR, 9006C 3k w&f, and 9005B 400k level and only 2 >>> people bid on them. I can't complain as I won them for under $590 >>> shipped, >>> which I thought was a great price. But I was quite ready to lose them at >>> that price. Did no one else see them? >>> Perry Esposito - From my phone >>> >>> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From hiero at telfort.nl Fri Dec 9 22:11:53 2011 From: hiero at telfort.nl (wv) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 22:11:53 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700ZXL for sale Message-ID: For sale on Ebay: Nakamichi 700 ZXL + Dolby-C NR-100 The Netherlands (220-240Volts) Mail me for shipping costs. 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Thanks Fergus ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fsclaol at yahoo.com Sat Dec 10 01:23:40 2011 From: fsclaol at yahoo.com (Fred S.C. Li) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 16:23:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak turntables Message-ID: <1323476620.76434.YahooMailNeo@web122504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Check out the library: http://www.vinylengine.com/library/nakamichi.shtml   Fred in CT -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fergus.cullen at gmail.com Sat Dec 10 13:29:21 2011 From: fergus.cullen at gmail.com (Fergus Cullen) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 12:29:21 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Another Nakamichi Followed Me Home...... In-Reply-To: <1323465653.16371.YahooMailNeo@web122507.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1323465653.16371.YahooMailNeo@web122507.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I usually just use the search box in Gmail. Bit tedious but fine really. Does Yahoo not have something similar? On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 9:20 PM, Fred S.C. Li wrote: > I don't know how this happens however, I was just driving along minding my > own business and came across a nicely cared for rubbered out cable door > jammed 480..... > > Going to try my hand at the classic transport and have ordered some new > stretchies from Fred M. > > Hopefully, the 480 will sing once again. > > Fred in CT > > PS Is there some way to search the archives for 480 subjects so I don't > ask the same questions? Other than going through them month by month / > year by year? TIA > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fergus.cullen at gmail.com Sat Dec 10 13:36:21 2011 From: fergus.cullen at gmail.com (Fergus Cullen) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 12:36:21 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak turntables In-Reply-To: <1323476620.76434.YahooMailNeo@web122504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1323476620.76434.YahooMailNeo@web122504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Nice! I guess the TX-1000 is also pretty rare? Any idea what they go for these days? 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URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Sat Dec 10 17:03:03 2011 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 08:03:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re:Nak 700ZXL for sale In-Reply-To: <201112101117.pBAB8Ema030689@zxe.naks.com> References: <201112101117.pBAB8Ema030689@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <1323532983.84940.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I'll be watching this outcome with interest....I should sell mine.;-) Kevin ________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 22:11:53 +0100 From: wv Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700ZXL for sale To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" For sale on Ebay: Nakamichi 700 ZXL + Dolby-C NR-100 The Netherlands (220-240Volts) Mail me for shipping costs. Ebay 140659052311 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Dec 10 22:11:11 2011 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 13:11:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak turntables In-Reply-To: References: <1323476620.76434.YahooMailNeo@web122504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1323551471.85207.YahooMailNeo@web112720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> IMHO, and from what I have heard, the Nak turntables( Dragon and the Tx)  are more pain than gain in terms of your vinyl enjoyment. With the resurgence in vinyls and players, one is better off looking for brand new units than getting stuck with a Nak with numerous issues. Again, just my opinion. If you are a collector, then everything is kosher. Ram ________________________________ From: Fergus Cullen To: Fred S.C. Li ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 7:36 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak turntables Nice! I guess the TX-1000 is also pretty rare? Any idea what they go for these days? 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URL: From fergus.cullen at gmail.com Sat Dec 10 23:55:27 2011 From: fergus.cullen at gmail.com (Fergus Cullen) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 22:55:27 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak turntables In-Reply-To: <1323551471.85207.YahooMailNeo@web112720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1323476620.76434.YahooMailNeo@web122504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1323551471.85207.YahooMailNeo@web112720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Ram, yes I'm browsing for a second turntable but I'm happy with 2nd hand mid-range players like Pioneer, etc. It just got me thinking about the Dragon and I was curious if there were any more Nak record players out there. Must admit the TX-1000 looks beautiful! On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 9:11 PM, shanti ramachandran < shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote: > IMHO, and from what I have heard, the Nak turntables( Dragon and the Tx) > are more pain than gain in terms of your vinyl enjoyment. > With the resurgence in vinyls and players, one is better off looking for > brand new units than getting stuck with a Nak with numerous issues. > > Again, just my opinion. If you are a collector, then everything is kosher. > > Ram > ------------------------------ > *From:* Fergus Cullen > *To:* Fred S.C. Li ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette > Decks > *Sent:* Saturday, December 10, 2011 7:36 AM > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Nak turntables > > Nice! I guess the TX-1000 is also pretty rare? Any idea what they go for > these days? > > > > On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 12:23 AM, Fred S.C. Li wrote: > > Check out the library: > > http://www.vinylengine.com/library/nakamichi.shtml > > Fred in CT > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adrian at mechner.net Sun Dec 11 01:50:54 2011 From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 16:50:54 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nak turntables In-Reply-To: References: <1323476620.76434.YahooMailNeo@web122504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1323551471.85207.YahooMailNeo@web112720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002501ccb79e$f04d5f20$d0e81d60$@net> I am an established turntable person on Ebay and Audiogone. My ID on Ebay is: donato_roma and you can see part of my work if you follow the links I will provide to my recently sold ones. I restore vintage turntables as a hobby, but I also do improvements in tearms of acustic upgrades. People write me amazing letters after purchasing my tables. 1: http://www.ebay.com/itm/280787703457?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT &_trksid=p3984.m1559.l2649 (sold in less then 2 days) 2: http://www.ebay.com/itm/280776505605?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT &_trksid=p3984.m1559.l2649 (sold in minutes after listing) 3: http://www.ebay.com/itm/280785589710?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT &_trksid=p3984.m1559.l2649 (sold in 6 hours after listing) Good luck finding something which should fit your demands, but please be aware that a TT only is worth bucks if it's in mint condition; unlike a cassette deck, sound produced inside the TT is a sound killer. J Adrian From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fergus Cullen Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 2:55 PM To: shanti ramachandran; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak turntables Hi Ram, yes I'm browsing for a second turntable but I'm happy with 2nd hand mid-range players like Pioneer, etc. It just got me thinking about the Dragon and I was curious if there were any more Nak record players out there. Must admit the TX-1000 looks beautiful! On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 9:11 PM, shanti ramachandran wrote: IMHO, and from what I have heard, the Nak turntables( Dragon and the Tx) are more pain than gain in terms of your vinyl enjoyment. With the resurgence in vinyls and players, one is better off looking for brand new units than getting stuck with a Nak with numerous issues. Again, just my opinion. If you are a collector, then everything is kosher. Ram _____ From: Fergus Cullen To: Fred S.C. Li ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 7:36 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak turntables Nice! I guess the TX-1000 is also pretty rare? Any idea what they go for these days? On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 12:23 AM, Fred S.C. 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URL: From fergus.cullen at gmail.com Sun Dec 11 12:26:29 2011 From: fergus.cullen at gmail.com (Fergus Cullen) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 11:26:29 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak turntables In-Reply-To: <002501ccb79e$f04d5f20$d0e81d60$@net> References: <1323476620.76434.YahooMailNeo@web122504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1323551471.85207.YahooMailNeo@web112720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <002501ccb79e$f04d5f20$d0e81d60$@net> Message-ID: Thanks Adrian. Lovely TTs. I'll keep an eye on your listings. On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 12:50 AM, Adrian Mechner wrote: > I am an established turntable person on Ebay and Audiogone. My ID on Ebay > is: donato_roma and you can see part of my work if you follow the links I > will provide to my recently sold ones.**** > > I restore vintage turntables as a hobby, but I also do improvements in > tearms of acustic upgrades. People write me amazing letters after > purchasing my tables.**** > > 1: > http://www.ebay.com/itm/280787703457?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1559.l2649 > (sold in less then 2 days)**** > > 2: > http://www.ebay.com/itm/280776505605?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1559.l2649 > (sold in minutes after listing)**** > > 3: > http://www.ebay.com/itm/280785589710?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1559.l2649 > (sold in 6 hours after listing)**** > > ** ** > > Good luck finding something which should fit your demands, but please be > aware that a TT only is worth bucks if it’s in mint condition; unlike a > cassette deck, sound produced inside the TT is a sound killer. J**** > > Adrian**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *Fergus Cullen > *Sent:* Saturday, December 10, 2011 2:55 PM > *To:* shanti ramachandran; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Nak turntables**** > > ** ** > > Hi Ram, yes I'm browsing for a second turntable but I'm happy with 2nd > hand mid-range players like Pioneer, etc. It just got me thinking about the > Dragon and I was curious if there were any more Nak record players out > there. Must admit the TX-1000 looks beautiful!**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 9:11 PM, shanti ramachandran < > shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:**** > > IMHO, and from what I have heard, the Nak turntables( Dragon and the Tx) > are more pain than gain in terms of your vinyl enjoyment.**** > > With the resurgence in vinyls and players, one is better off looking for > brand new units than getting stuck with a Nak with numerous issues.**** > > ** ** > > Again, just my opinion. If you are a collector, then everything is kosher. > **** > > ** ** > > Ram**** > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Fergus Cullen > *To:* Fred S.C. Li ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette > Decks > *Sent:* Saturday, December 10, 2011 7:36 AM > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Nak turntables**** > > ** ** > > Nice! I guess the TX-1000 is also pretty rare? Any idea what they go for > these days?**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 12:23 AM, Fred S.C. Li wrote:* > *** > > Check out the library:**** > > ** ** > > http://www.vinylengine.com/library/nakamichi.shtml**** > > **** > > Fred in CT**** > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > **** > > ** ** > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > **** > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > **** > > ** ** > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Sun Dec 11 16:15:20 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 07:15:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak turntables In-Reply-To: References: <1323476620.76434.YahooMailNeo@web122504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1323551471.85207.YahooMailNeo@web112720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <002501ccb79e$f04d5f20$d0e81d60$@net> Message-ID: <1323616520.11221.YahooMailNeo@web130106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Funny that this would come up on NakTalk... In a previous life I used to renovate/restore/sell/install high end turntables. It so happens that after years of using a Dual 5000 I decided to upgrade. Just started putting together a 'new' turntable. This will include a Garrard 401 deck, SME 3009 Series III arm and Shure V15-VxMR cartridge in a heavy plinth (yes, I am not above doing some woodworking). I ordered the Garrard deck from England (haven't received it yet). It's the European version, so I am ordering a 60Hz pulley for it. Since the platter stroboscope marks require a 50Hz source, I intend to put together an ultra accurate 100Hz pulse generator and replace the original neon bulb with an ultra bright LED. I am also thinking of adding auto shut off -- haven't designed it yet, but am thinking of using a photo cell to sense arm movement and cut power to the motor when the arm moves faster as it reaches the run-out groove. This is going to be a fun project... -- Ron >________________________________ > From: Fergus Cullen >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2011 6:26 AM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak turntables > > >Thanks Adrian. Lovely TTs. I'll keep an eye on your listings. > > > > > >On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 12:50 AM, Adrian Mechner wrote: > >I am an established turntable person on Ebay and Audiogone. My ID on Ebay is: donato_roma and you can see part of my work if you follow the links I will provide to my recently sold ones. >>I restore vintage turntables as a hobby, but I also do improvements in tearms of acustic upgrades. People write me amazing letters after purchasing my tables. >>1: http://www.ebay.com/itm/280787703457?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1559.l2649   (sold in less then 2 days) >>2: http://www.ebay.com/itm/280776505605?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1559.l2649    (sold in minutes after listing) >>3: http://www.ebay.com/itm/280785589710?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1559.l2649  (sold in 6 hours after listing) >>  >>Good luck finding something which should fit your demands, but please be aware that a TT only is worth bucks if it’s in mint condition; unlike a cassette deck, sound produced inside the TT is a sound killer. J >>Adrian >>  >>  >>From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fergus Cullen >>Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 2:55 PM >>To: shanti ramachandran; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak turntables >>  >>Hi Ram, yes I'm browsing for a second turntable but I'm happy with 2nd hand mid-range players like Pioneer, etc. It just got me thinking about the Dragon and I was curious if there were any more Nak record players out there. Must admit the TX-1000 looks beautiful! >>  >>  >>On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 9:11 PM, shanti ramachandran wrote: >>IMHO, and from what I have heard, the Nak turntables( Dragon and the Tx)  are more pain than gain in terms of your vinyl enjoyment. >>With the resurgence in vinyls and players, one is better off looking for brand new units than getting stuck with a Nak with numerous issues. >>  >>Again, just my opinion. If you are a collector, then everything is kosher. >>  >>Ram >> >>________________________________ >> >>From:Fergus Cullen >>To: Fred S.C. Li ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 7:36 AM >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak turntables >>  >>Nice! I guess the TX-1000 is also pretty rare? Any idea what they go for these days? >>  >>  >>On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 12:23 AM, Fred S.C. Li wrote: >>Check out the library: >>  >>http://www.vinylengine.com/library/nakamichi.shtml >>  >>Fred in CT >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>  >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>  >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Sun Dec 11 17:52:28 2011 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 08:52:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk]Re: Nak turntables In-Reply-To: <201112111117.pBBB8u0f031158@zxe.naks.com> References: <201112111117.pBBB8u0f031158@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <1323622348.5955.YahooMailNeo@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> There's a lot of truth in that. However, you can pay $30,000 for a new TT with infinitely low W&F, but it won't self-center the record like the TX-1000. Almost all records are hole punched off-center to a certain degree/factor....so this was no pie-in-the-sky feature. The TX-1000 even calculates and tells you to what degree the hole is off. And from my research, the sound difference is phenomenal on sustained notes like string instruments. It was an incredibly brilliant design that just faded into obscurity. The TX-1000 will sell anywhere from $300-$10,000(!)-depending on its source and condition. Truly, it's all over the board in price.  God help you repairing the thing, but the original function is breath taking, not bling. Kevin ________________________________ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 13:11:11 -0800 (PST) From: shanti ramachandran Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak turntables To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID:     <1323551471.85207.YahooMailNeo at web112720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" IMHO, and from what I have heard, the Nak turntables( Dragon and the Tx)  are more pain than gain in terms of your vinyl enjoyment. With the resurgence in vinyls and players, one is better off looking for brand new units than getting stuck with a Nak with numerous issues. Again, just my opinion. If you are a collector, then everything is kosher. Ram -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com Sun Dec 11 18:07:34 2011 From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 18:07:34 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak turntables In-Reply-To: References: <1323476620.76434.YahooMailNeo@web122504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <72FC3278-42DB-4480-9DC9-B67C30B9F9F0@gmail.com> Hi, The owners ask for 6 to 10k$. On Ebay two or three times a Year. Last one I saw was sold for 9k$ in Japan. There are very hard to pack and ship. Lots of time the get harm on transport. Most of the time records are is out of center, it can be fixed by just changing the hole. With the Naka TX-1000 the center will be set on any record. A Owner says that is making the sound very good and clean, on any part of the music. Not just the better wow and flutter. The is a precise Article to find on the Internet. regards Gerhard Am 10.12.2011 um 13:36 schrieb Fergus Cullen: > Nice! I guess the TX-1000 is also pretty rare? Any idea what they > go for these days? > > > > On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 12:23 AM, Fred S.C. 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URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Sun Dec 11 20:03:54 2011 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 11:03:54 -0800 Subject: [naktalk]Re: Nak turntables In-Reply-To: <1323622348.5955.YahooMailNeo@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <201112111117.pBBB8u0f031158@zxe.naks.com> <1323622348.5955.YahooMailNeo@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I hesitate to jump into this one but I can't help myself. The sonic detriment of the slightly off center hole in all but worst of the pressings exists but is only very slight. Nakamichi chose to throw what is granted an engineering tour de force at this one problem - and they solved it beautifully. Unfortunately, they designed the rest of the turntable like most other direct drives from Japan of that era (Technics 1200 as the best known). The sonic detriment of the cogging caused by that drive system creates terrible low frequency distortion in all the music you listen to creating a mushy, poorly defined low end. From that era give me a Linn LP-12 any day and I'll take the pressings with the center hole noticeably far off back to the store for replacements. The solidity of bass and resulting transparency of mids and highs will out perform the Nakamichi hands down - and you don't have to sweat having something of the complexity of the TX-1000 breaking. Just my two cents having sold both lines and done the listening comparisons. Willy On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 8:52 AM, Kevin Fetner wrote: > There's a lot of truth in that. However, you can pay $30,000 for a new TT > with infinitely low W&F, but it won't self-center the record like the > TX-1000. Almost all records are hole punched off-center to a certain > degree/factor....so this was no pie-in-the-sky feature. The TX-1000 even > calculates and tells you to what degree the hole is off. And from my > research, the sound difference is phenomenal on sustained notes like string > instruments. It was an incredibly brilliant design that just faded into > obscurity. The TX-1000 will sell anywhere from $300-$10,000(!)-depending on > its source and condition. Truly, it's all over the board in price. God > help you repairing the thing, but the original function is breath taking, > not bling. > > Kevin > > ------------------------------ > **Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 13:11:11 -0800 (PST) > From: shanti ramachandran > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak turntables > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > <1323551471.85207.YahooMailNeo at web112720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > IMHO, and from what I have heard, the Nak turntables( Dragon and the Tx) > are more pain than gain in terms of your vinyl enjoyment. > With the resurgence in vinyls and players, one is better off looking for > brand new units than getting stuck with a Nak with numerous issues. > > Again, just my opinion. If you are a collector, then everything is kosher. > > Ram > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lucidsound at ic24.net Sun Dec 11 20:21:24 2011 From: lucidsound at ic24.net (Lucidsounds) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 19:21:24 -0000 Subject: [naktalk]Re: Nak turntables References: <201112111117.pBBB8u0f031158@zxe.naks.com> <1323622348.5955.YahooMailNeo@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <737E2EE3986B4A2C8D4AF90CDC9F2B28@Magdallen> It is absolutely true what Kevin says about many records being punched with holes off-center. I even have a test record where this is the case. But some people are more susceptible to the audio effect than others. I know many who are not affected by the change in pitch. Personally, I am, and I always make an effort to center my records on the TT by hand before playing. I have been known to take a needle file to the hole where it is particularly bad. But whether the Nak stacks up sonically, well that's another matter altogether. Lucid. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Fetner To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2011 4:52 PM Subject: [naktalk]Re: Nak turntables There's a lot of truth in that. However, you can pay $30,000 for a new TT with infinitely low W&F, but it won't self-center the record like the TX-1000. Almost all records are hole punched off-center to a certain degree/factor....so this was no pie-in-the-sky feature. The TX-1000 even calculates and tells you to what degree the hole is off. And from my research, the sound difference is phenomenal on sustained notes like string instruments. It was an incredibly brilliant design that just faded into obscurity. The TX-1000 will sell anywhere from $300-$10,000(!)-depending on its source and condition. Truly, it's all over the board in price. God help you repairing the thing, but the original function is breath taking, not bling. Kevin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 13:11:11 -0800 (PST) From: shanti ramachandran Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak turntables To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <1323551471.85207.YahooMailNeo at web112720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" IMHO, and from what I have heard, the Nak turntables( Dragon and the Tx) are more pain than gain in terms of your vinyl enjoyment. 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URL: From luis at peromarta.org Sun Dec 11 20:25:47 2011 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 20:25:47 +0100 Subject: [naktalk]Re: Nak turntables In-Reply-To: References: <201112111117.pBBB8u0f031158@zxe.naks.com> <1323622348.5955.YahooMailNeo@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Or a Thorens 125mkII ! Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. El 11/12/2011, a las 20:03, Willy Hermann escribió: > give me a Linn LP-12 any day From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 11 22:26:13 2011 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (Ram Ramachandran) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 16:26:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] naksmichi turntables Message-ID: How do the old turntables( LP 12 and Thorens 124/125) compare with the new turntables from VPI, Clearaudio etc... Sorry to digress from the Nakamichi theme. Ram.. From shoeihell at yahoo.com Sun Dec 11 18:01:41 2011 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 09:01:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk]Re:Nak Turntables In-Reply-To: <201112111117.pBBB8u0f031158@zxe.naks.com> References: <201112111117.pBBB8u0f031158@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <1323622901.44480.YahooMailNeo@web120704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Adrian, Are you saying you have experience fixing the Dragon or TX-1000 TT, or are you just commenting on the efficacy of vintage TT's in today's discerning market? Kevin ________________________________ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 16:50:54 -0800 From: "Adrian Mechner" Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak turntables To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Message-ID: <002501ccb79e$f04d5f20$d0e81d60$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I am an established turntable person on Ebay and Audiogone. My ID on Ebay is: donato_roma and you can see part of my work if you follow the links I will provide to my recently sold ones. I restore vintage turntables as a hobby, but I also do improvements in tearms of acustic upgrades. People write me amazing letters after purchasing my tables. 1: http://www.ebay.com/itm/280787703457?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT &_trksid=p3984.m1559.l2649  (sold in less then 2 days) 2: http://www.ebay.com/itm/280776505605?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT &_trksid=p3984.m1559.l2649    (sold in minutes after listing) 3: http://www.ebay.com/itm/280785589710?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT &_trksid=p3984.m1559.l2649  (sold in 6 hours after listing) Good luck finding something which should fit your demands, but please be aware that a TT only is worth bucks if it's in mint condition; unlike a cassette deck, sound produced inside the TT is a sound killer. J Adrian -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fergus.cullen at gmail.com Sun Dec 11 18:29:42 2011 From: fergus.cullen at gmail.com (Fergus Cullen) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 17:29:42 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak turntables In-Reply-To: <1323616520.11221.YahooMailNeo@web130106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <1323476620.76434.YahooMailNeo@web122504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1323551471.85207.YahooMailNeo@web112720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <002501ccb79e$f04d5f20$d0e81d60$@net> <1323616520.11221.YahooMailNeo@web130106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'd love a Garrard 401. If set up and ready to go, what price range are we talking about? On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Ron wrote: > > Funny that this would come up on NakTalk... In a previous life I used to > renovate/restore/sell/install high end turntables. It so happens that > after > years of using a Dual 5000 I decided to upgrade. Just started putting > together a 'new' turntable. This will include a Garrard 401 deck, SME > 3009 Series III arm and Shure V15-VxMR cartridge in a heavy plinth > (yes, I am not above doing some woodworking). > > I ordered the Garrard deck from England (haven't received it yet). It's > the > European version, so I am ordering a 60Hz pulley for it. Since the platter > stroboscope marks require a 50Hz source, I intend to put together an > ultra accurate 100Hz pulse generator and replace the original neon bulb > with an ultra bright LED. > > I am also thinking of adding auto shut off -- haven't designed it yet, but > am > thinking of using a photo cell to sense arm movement and cut power to the > motor when the arm moves faster as it reaches the run-out groove. > > This is going to be a fun project... > > -- Ron > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Fergus Cullen > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Sunday, December 11, 2011 6:26 AM > > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Nak turntables > > Thanks Adrian. Lovely TTs. I'll keep an eye on your listings. > > > > On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 12:50 AM, Adrian Mechner wrote: > > I am an established turntable person on Ebay and Audiogone. My ID on Ebay > is: donato_roma and you can see part of my work if you follow the links I > will provide to my recently sold ones.**** > I restore vintage turntables as a hobby, but I also do improvements in > tearms of acustic upgrades. People write me amazing letters after > purchasing my tables.**** > 1: > http://www.ebay.com/itm/280787703457?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1559.l2649 > (sold in less then 2 days)**** > 2: > http://www.ebay.com/itm/280776505605?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1559.l2649 > (sold in minutes after listing)**** > 3: > http://www.ebay.com/itm/280785589710?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1559.l2649 > (sold in 6 hours after listing)**** > ** ** > Good luck finding something which should fit your demands, but please be > aware that a TT only is worth bucks if it’s in mint condition; unlike a > cassette deck, sound produced inside the TT is a sound killer. J**** > Adrian**** > ** ** > ** ** > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *Fergus Cullen > *Sent:* Saturday, December 10, 2011 2:55 PM > *To:* shanti ramachandran; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Nak turntables**** > ** ** > Hi Ram, yes I'm browsing for a second turntable but I'm happy with 2nd > hand mid-range players like Pioneer, etc. It just got me thinking about the > Dragon and I was curious if there were any more Nak record players out > there. Must admit the TX-1000 looks beautiful!**** > ** ** > ** ** > On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 9:11 PM, shanti ramachandran < > shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:**** > IMHO, and from what I have heard, the Nak turntables( Dragon and the Tx) > are more pain than gain in terms of your vinyl enjoyment.**** > With the resurgence in vinyls and players, one is better off looking for > brand new units than getting stuck with a Nak with numerous issues.**** > ** ** > Again, just my opinion. If you are a collector, then everything is kosher. > **** > ** ** > Ram**** > ------------------------------ > *From:* Fergus Cullen > *To:* Fred S.C. Li ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette > Decks > *Sent:* Saturday, December 10, 2011 7:36 AM > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Nak turntables**** > ** ** > Nice! I guess the TX-1000 is also pretty rare? Any idea what they go for > these days?**** > ** ** > ** ** > On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 12:23 AM, Fred S.C. Li wrote:* > *** > Check out the library:**** > ** ** > http://www.vinylengine.com/library/nakamichi.shtml**** > **** > Fred in CT**** > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > **** > ** ** > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > **** > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > **** > ** ** > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adrian at mechner.net Sun Dec 11 19:09:36 2011 From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 10:09:36 -0800 Subject: [naktalk]Re: Nak turntables In-Reply-To: <1323622348.5955.YahooMailNeo@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <201112111117.pBBB8u0f031158@zxe.naks.com> <1323622348.5955.YahooMailNeo@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001d01ccb830$0b124730$2136d590$@net> Like any other object on earth, when you try to become one of the only 200 owners of such and that object is no longer produced, your problems might shift form "fixing the self. feature" to actually funding the purchase. This is not only a very nice and unique model, but it's a very limited (200 units ever built) one. If working (if not it would still be acquired by one other owner as a donor), it would be to find in the $25k+ with no limit on the North end. It does not even count how it sounds, it simply is worth that much. In today's terms the simpler the better! I would definitely stay away from adding stuff, I would also avoid a 50Hz only motor in the US but that's me. Sound before amenities; a TT is not a tape deck and therefore fancy features you might crave for on a cassette deck, don't apply in the TT world. You might do some research in terms of neutral (as it gets and as you might have access to) materials for a decent plinth, you might want to consider the Rega concept as a start point. Do your reading about what third party upgrades are available for that concept, research the market in terms of results and how much these things cost and finally putting everything together, you might come up with a conclusion, the only one which would take you to a better sound. Adrian From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Fetner Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2011 8:52 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk]Re: Nak turntables There's a lot of truth in that. However, you can pay $30,000 for a new TT with infinitely low W&F, but it won't self-center the record like the TX-1000. Almost all records are hole punched off-center to a certain degree/factor....so this was no pie-in-the-sky feature. The TX-1000 even calculates and tells you to what degree the hole is off. And from my research, the sound difference is phenomenal on sustained notes like string instruments. It was an incredibly brilliant design that just faded into obscurity. The TX-1000 will sell anywhere from $300-$10,000(!)-depending on its source and condition. Truly, it's all over the board in price. God help you repairing the thing, but the original function is breath taking, not bling. Kevin _____ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 13:11:11 -0800 (PST) From: shanti ramachandran Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak turntables To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <1323551471.85207.YahooMailNeo at web112720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" IMHO, and from what I have heard, the Nak turntables( Dragon and the Tx) are more pain than gain in terms of your vinyl enjoyment. With the resurgence in vinyls and players, one is better off looking for brand new units than getting stuck with a Nak with numerous issues. Again, just my opinion. If you are a collector, then everything is kosher. Ram -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fergus.cullen at gmail.com Sun Dec 11 21:20:58 2011 From: fergus.cullen at gmail.com (Fergus Cullen) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 20:20:58 +0000 Subject: [naktalk]Re: Nak turntables In-Reply-To: References: <201112111117.pBBB8u0f031158@zxe.naks.com> <1323622348.5955.YahooMailNeo@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Wow! I didn't know about this at all. I would actually sacrifice a slight change in pitch for a better overall sound. That's just my preference. On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 7:03 PM, Willy Hermann < willy at willyhermannservices.com> wrote: > I hesitate to jump into this one but I can't help myself. The sonic > detriment of the slightly off center hole in all but worst of the pressings > exists but is only very slight. Nakamichi chose to throw what is granted > an engineering tour de force at this one problem - and they solved it > beautifully. Unfortunately, they designed the rest of the turntable like > most other direct drives from Japan of that era (Technics 1200 as the best > known). The sonic detriment of the cogging caused by that drive system > creates terrible low frequency distortion in all the music you listen to > creating a mushy, poorly defined low end. From that era give me a Linn > LP-12 any day and I'll take the pressings with the center > hole noticeably far off back to the store for replacements. The solidity > of bass and resulting transparency of mids and highs will out perform the > Nakamichi hands down - and you don't have to sweat having something of the > complexity of the TX-1000 breaking. > > Just my two cents having sold both lines and done the listening > comparisons. > > Willy > > On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 8:52 AM, Kevin Fetner wrote: > >> There's a lot of truth in that. However, you can pay $30,000 for a new TT >> with infinitely low W&F, but it won't self-center the record like the >> TX-1000. Almost all records are hole punched off-center to a certain >> degree/factor....so this was no pie-in-the-sky feature. The TX-1000 even >> calculates and tells you to what degree the hole is off. And from my >> research, the sound difference is phenomenal on sustained notes like string >> instruments. It was an incredibly brilliant design that just faded into >> obscurity. The TX-1000 will sell anywhere from $300-$10,000(!)-depending on >> its source and condition. Truly, it's all over the board in price. God >> help you repairing the thing, but the original function is breath taking, >> not bling. >> >> Kevin >> >> ------------------------------ >> **Message: 4 >> Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 13:11:11 -0800 (PST) >> From: shanti ramachandran >> >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak turntables >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Message-ID: >> <1323551471.85207.YahooMailNeo at web112720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> >> IMHO, and from what I have heard, the Nak turntables( Dragon and the Tx) >> are more pain than gain in terms of your vinyl enjoyment. >> With the resurgence in vinyls and players, one is better off looking for >> brand new units than getting stuck with a Nak with numerous issues. >> >> Again, just my opinion. 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URL: From ct.waveform at googlemail.com Sun Dec 11 23:00:06 2011 From: ct.waveform at googlemail.com (Christian Thomas) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 22:00:06 +0000 Subject: [naktalk]Re: Nak turntables In-Reply-To: References: <201112111117.pBBB8u0f031158@zxe.naks.com> <1323622348.5955.YahooMailNeo@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: If you go for the Nak turntable may I suggest one thing - and it's really the secret behind the LP12 too. Do not use super fine oil in the bearing. Use a synthetic but thick oil. That last thing you want is low friction, but rather damping in the bearing. You will find that makes all the difference. Believe me, I have worked on these dynamic systems and it;s the sole reason why belt drives sound better than DD. CT PS One day I'll do a turntable to prove it, but that's a long way off. Meanwhile you heard it here first (For th e doubters, think Rega.) On 11 December 2011 19:25, Luis Peromarta wrote: > Or a Thorens 125mkII ! > > Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. > > El 11/12/2011, a las 20:03, Willy Hermann > escribió: > > > give me a Linn LP-12 any day > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Christian Thomas Has just (on 15/10/11) solved the root problem of loudspeaker and crossover design, after 25 years. It is so simple once you have pieced it together. I now need your investment to keep the work going and complete the product range including amplifier. Current price approx £3000/percent, up to 20% - covering approx 6 months and then proper fundraising for production. You will generally NOT get to know what the secret is as a shareholder. This does not constitute an offer of securities in any jurisdiction. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adrian at mechner.net Sun Dec 11 23:24:58 2011 From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 14:24:58 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] naksmichi turntables In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001201ccb853$b7d52fa0$277f8ee0$@net> It's very hard to do a genetic statement. A TT is not a standard complex unit; you can exchange cartridges and you will get different sound on the same TT. You can exchange arms and you will have different sound and basically avery part you would exchange will give you different sound. This is actually the fascination of doing alchemy with turntables. You will later on find out that different phono stages will perform different. I take for granted that this table is supposed to sound great as is: http://www.needledoctor.com/Clearaudio-Statement-Turntable?sc=2&category=347 Adrian -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ram Ramachandran Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2011 1:26 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] naksmichi turntables How do the old turntables( LP 12 and Thorens 124/125) compare with the new turntables from VPI, Clearaudio etc... Sorry to digress from the Nakamichi theme. Ram.. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ct.waveform at googlemail.com Sun Dec 11 23:25:12 2011 From: ct.waveform at googlemail.com (Christian Thomas) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 22:25:12 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] naksmichi turntables In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It you like the LP12 then they still don't come close. Shame. really, because they will mostly be much better made. Still th e newer LP12s really don't do it quite either these days. I have owned various LP12s since about 1978 and d'you know my overriding feeling about them these days? I wish I hadn't been taken in by the hype and bullshit because a BX-300 beats any of them hands down (and that's with me as a comparatively recent convert). Where the BX really excels is that there is no modulation on crescendos in terms of timing. The timing is rock solid. The problem with any turntable is trying to get the record to traverse the stylus at a constant speed and that is basically impossible unless you have a predictive mechanism. It doesn't matter a hoot on a tape deck. What the better turntables do is make it acceptable, but it will never be accurate. (Also, I suspect Shure and SME were right in their way.) Whether or not that is true would stake my life on Linn not knowing how a turntable works. CT On 11 December 2011 21:26, Ram Ramachandran wrote: > How do the old turntables( LP 12 and Thorens 124/125) compare with the new > turntables from VPI, Clearaudio etc... > > Sorry to digress from the Nakamichi theme. > > > Ram.. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Christian Thomas Has just (on 15/10/11) solved the root problem of loudspeaker and crossover design, after 25 years. It is so simple once you have pieced it together. I now need your investment to keep the work going and complete the product range including amplifier. Current price approx £3000/percent, up to 20% - covering approx 6 months and then proper fundraising for production. You will generally NOT get to know what the secret is as a shareholder. This does not constitute an offer of securities in any jurisdiction. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adrian at mechner.net Sun Dec 11 23:31:27 2011 From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 14:31:27 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] naksmichi turntables In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001301ccb854$9fc9fc00$df5df400$@net> "Old" turntables are only as old as their maintenance. An LP 12 was and for some still is a table they have to beat and the performance of such is not easy at all to achieve. I would again advise to take a deeper look into the Rega concept. You can start with some satisfaction at as low as 1200- 1500 and if you like where it takes you at a point in time you might end up with a fascinating sound source. Like someone mentioned earlier, you will always have to keep up with the rest of the gear in order to get results from an excessive dollar amount spent on a TT alone. Adrian -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ram Ramachandran Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2011 1:26 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] naksmichi turntables How do the old turntables( LP 12 and Thorens 124/125) compare with the new turntables from VPI, Clearaudio etc... Sorry to digress from the Nakamichi theme. Ram.. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From vidguy_me at hotmail.com Sun Dec 11 23:45:21 2011 From: vidguy_me at hotmail.com (vidguy vidguy) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 22:45:21 +0000 Subject: [naktalk]Re: Nak turntables In-Reply-To: References: <201112111117.pBBB8u0f031158@zxe.naks.com>, <1323622348.5955.YahooMailNeo@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>, , Message-ID: Not for me. I *used* to be a Belt Drive Fan. I'm DD all the way now I'm a former TD-160 owner, it was equipped with an Infinity Black Widow arm (inherited from my uncle) I've also owned 1 Pro-ject, 3 Rega's, including a P5 with TTPSU, GrooveTracer sub-platter. My last Belt Drive was a VPI Scout. I left most of those behind, when I got an SL1200, and added an RB350 Arm. I dumped P5 and the Scout, because after spending $2000.00, they just couldn't offer anything over my $500.00 (Max) DDs. My current stable is exclusively Direct Drive, consisting of: 1: JVC QL-Y66F 2: JVC QL-Y55F 3: Denon DP-47 4: Technics SL-1200MkII /RB350 4: Mitsubishi LT-30 The JVC QL-Y66F is a stunning piece of work, Massive 14" platter with a magnetic bearing that "floats" 10" electro-magnetic servo tonearm with real-time adjustable and self-correcting damping in horizontal and vertical dimensions. I use a Dynavector 20X2 on the JVC, and the combination is so surgical, so precise and clean. The Rega P5, VPI Scout and the Thorens were good tables, just not precise enough, nor neutral enough for me. Just my opinion, based on my ears, using my gear. > From: luis at peromarta.org > Subject: Re: [naktalk]Re: Nak turntables > Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 20:25:47 +0100 > To: naktalk at naks.com > CC: naktalk at naks.com; shoeihell at yahoo.com > > Or a Thorens 125mkII ! > > Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. > > El 11/12/2011, a las 20:03, Willy Hermann escribió: > > > give me a Linn LP-12 any day > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vidguy_me at hotmail.com Mon Dec 12 01:43:03 2011 From: vidguy_me at hotmail.com (vidguy vidguy) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 00:43:03 +0000 Subject: [naktalk]Re: Nak turntables In-Reply-To: References: <201112111117.pBBB8u0f031158@zxe.naks.com>, <1323622348.5955.YahooMailNeo@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>, , Message-ID: Just listen with your own ears, and take everyone else's opinion with a grain of salt. (Including mine) I wasted so much time on Rega turntables, mainly because everyone kept telling me how wonderful they were, yet I never liked any of them very much. I started to think there was something wrong with ME, so I kept upgrading, one after another.. There is so much mis-information out there it's not funny. Do not listen to reviews, or articles in stereo mags, probably the most biased opinions out there. It took a few years and a few tables to finally find a sound *I* enjoy. Now I could care less what the "audiophools" think. Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 20:20:58 +0000 Subject: Re: [naktalk]Re: Nak turntables From: fergus.cullen at gmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Wow! I didn't know about this at all. I would actually sacrifice a slight change in pitch for a better overall sound.That's just my preference. On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 7:03 PM, Willy Hermann wrote: I hesitate to jump into this one but I can't help myself. The sonic detriment of the slightly off center hole in all but worst of the pressings exists but is only very slight. Nakamichi chose to throw what is granted an engineering tour de force at this one problem - and they solved it beautifully. Unfortunately, they designed the rest of the turntable like most other direct drives from Japan of that era (Technics 1200 as the best known). The sonic detriment of the cogging caused by that drive system creates terrible low frequency distortion in all the music you listen to creating a mushy, poorly defined low end. From that era give me a Linn LP-12 any day and I'll take the pressings with the center hole noticeably far off back to the store for replacements. The solidity of bass and resulting transparency of mids and highs will out perform the Nakamichi hands down - and you don't have to sweat having something of the complexity of the TX-1000 breaking. Just my two cents having sold both lines and done the listening comparisons. Willy On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 8:52 AM, Kevin Fetner wrote: There's a lot of truth in that. However, you can pay $30,000 for a new TT with infinitely low W&F, but it won't self-center the record like the TX-1000. Almost all records are hole punched off-center to a certain degree/factor....so this was no pie-in-the-sky feature. The TX-1000 even calculates and tells you to what degree the hole is off. And from my research, the sound difference is phenomenal on sustained notes like string instruments. It was an incredibly brilliant design that just faded into obscurity. The TX-1000 will sell anywhere from $300-$10,000(!)-depending on its source and condition. Truly, it's all over the board in price. God help you repairing the thing, but the original function is breath taking, not bling. Kevin Message: 4 Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 13:11:11 -0800 (PST) From: shanti ramachandran Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak turntables To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <1323551471.85207.YahooMailNeo at web112720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" IMHO, and from what I have heard, the Nak turntables( Dragon and the Tx) are more pain than gain in terms of your vinyl enjoyment. With the resurgence in vinyls and players, one is better off looking for brand new units than getting stuck with a Nak with numerous issues. Again, just my opinion. If you are a collector, then everything is kosher. 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URL: From joyell.solie at sasktel.net Mon Dec 12 03:06:53 2011 From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 20:06:53 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 670 zx ground Message-ID: <002501ccb872$b8d19ff0$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Hi Guys, working on a 670 zx that doesn't seem to have ground for control motor plate. Can't find any obvious reason and wiring diagram doesn't really show anything. How does the motor and plate get ground? Thanks, Rainer S. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adrian at mechner.net Mon Dec 12 05:01:19 2011 From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 20:01:19 -0800 Subject: [naktalk]Re: Nak turntables In-Reply-To: References: <201112111117.pBBB8u0f031158@zxe.naks.com> <1323622348.5955.YahooMailNeo@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000501ccb882$b4e4e220$1eaea660$@net> And you're very right about that. Pitch most of the times does have zilch in common with how good a TT actually is. There is actually no "0" dial on pitch. The explanation??? Very simple: In TT world you will find out (Kevin Dude, open up your ears!!!) that the motor is direct powered and pitch will adjust +/- 6% average, but only to adjust to the power deviations in X's household. Pitch visualization and Pitch adjustment are not related. I never argued about any topic I was not 100% but this Kevin character really pisses me off, only because he acts like a smart ass. Like Willy said, DD from Nak: No, No, No!!! Don't give up pure sound like the Brits build their TT's for some futuristic and dead in Pampers self. technologies only because it appears to be fancy. L:ike I said, little league plays in the morning and adults who can afford this hobby to it at prime hour. Adrian P.S. Kevin boy, don't piss me off because you're on the south side of this topic. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fergus Cullen Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2011 12:21 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk]Re: Nak turntables Wow! I didn't know about this at all. I would actually sacrifice a slight change in pitch for a better overall sound. That's just my preference. On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 7:03 PM, Willy Hermann wrote: I hesitate to jump into this one but I can't help myself. The sonic detriment of the slightly off center hole in all but worst of the pressings exists but is only very slight. Nakamichi chose to throw what is granted an engineering tour de force at this one problem - and they solved it beautifully. Unfortunately, they designed the rest of the turntable like most other direct drives from Japan of that era (Technics 1200 as the best known). The sonic detriment of the cogging caused by that drive system creates terrible low frequency distortion in all the music you listen to creating a mushy, poorly defined low end. From that era give me a Linn LP-12 any day and I'll take the pressings with the center hole noticeably far off back to the store for replacements. The solidity of bass and resulting transparency of mids and highs will out perform the Nakamichi hands down - and you don't have to sweat having something of the complexity of the TX-1000 breaking. Just my two cents having sold both lines and done the listening comparisons. Willy On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 8:52 AM, Kevin Fetner wrote: There's a lot of truth in that. However, you can pay $30,000 for a new TT with infinitely low W&F, but it won't self-center the record like the TX-1000. Almost all records are hole punched off-center to a certain degree/factor....so this was no pie-in-the-sky feature. The TX-1000 even calculates and tells you to what degree the hole is off. And from my research, the sound difference is phenomenal on sustained notes like string instruments. It was an incredibly brilliant design that just faded into obscurity. The TX-1000 will sell anywhere from $300-$10,000(!)-depending on its source and condition. Truly, it's all over the board in price. God help you repairing the thing, but the original function is breath taking, not bling. Kevin _____ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 13:11:11 -0800 (PST) From: shanti ramachandran Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak turntables To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <1323551471.85207.YahooMailNeo at web112720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" IMHO, and from what I have heard, the Nak turntables( Dragon and the Tx) are more pain than gain in terms of your vinyl enjoyment. With the resurgence in vinyls and players, one is better off looking for brand new units than getting stuck with a Nak with numerous issues. Again, just my opinion. If you are a collector, then everything is kosher. 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URL: From spacepup at hotmail.com Mon Dec 12 10:36:37 2011 From: spacepup at hotmail.com (Sean Reid) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 04:36:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi turntables In-Reply-To: <001201ccb853$b7d52fa0$277f8ee0$@net> References: , <001201ccb853$b7d52fa0$277f8ee0$@net> Message-ID: just my two cents here... i have a slightly modded Rega P2, and it serves me incredibly well. it's not an OMG table (i did previously own a Micro-Seiki DDX-1000) but it does the job, and does it really well. i can always swap out the cart if i want a different sound. > From: adrian at mechner.net > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] naksmichi turntables > Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 14:24:58 -0800 > > It's very hard to do a genetic statement. A TT is not a standard complex > unit; you can exchange cartridges and you will get different sound on the > same TT. You can exchange arms and you will have different sound and > basically avery part you would exchange will give you different sound. This > is actually the fascination of doing alchemy with turntables. > You will later on find out that different phono stages will perform > different. > I take for granted that this table is supposed to sound great as is: > http://www.needledoctor.com/Clearaudio-Statement-Turntable?sc=2&category=347 > > Adrian > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Ram Ramachandran > Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2011 1:26 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: [naktalk] naksmichi turntables > > How do the old turntables( LP 12 and Thorens 124/125) compare with the new > turntables from VPI, Clearaudio etc... > > Sorry to digress from the Nakamichi theme. > > > Ram.. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fergus.cullen at gmail.com Mon Dec 12 12:47:49 2011 From: fergus.cullen at gmail.com (Fergus Cullen) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 11:47:49 +0000 Subject: [naktalk]Re: Nak turntables In-Reply-To: References: <201112111117.pBBB8u0f031158@zxe.naks.com> <1323622348.5955.YahooMailNeo@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Noooooo.... I just bought a TD-160. Newly serviced. You think that was a bad idea? What's so bad about belt drives? The jvc sounds lovely. Fergus On 12 Dec 2011 11:09, "vidguy vidguy" wrote: > > Not for me. > I *used* to be a Belt Drive Fan. > > I'm DD all the way now > > I'm a former TD-160 owner, it was equipped with an Infinity Black Widow > arm (inherited from my uncle) > I've also owned 1 Pro-ject, 3 Rega's, including a P5 with TTPSU, > GrooveTracer sub-platter. > My last Belt Drive was a VPI Scout. > > I left most of those behind, when I got an SL1200, and added an RB350 Arm. > > I dumped P5 and the Scout, because after spending $2000.00, they just > couldn't offer anything over my $500.00 (Max) DDs. > > My current stable is exclusively Direct Drive, consisting of: > 1: JVC QL-Y66F > 2: JVC QL-Y55F > 3: Denon DP-47 > 4: Technics SL-1200MkII /RB350 > 4: Mitsubishi LT-30 > > The JVC QL-Y66F is a stunning piece of work, Massive 14" platter with a > magnetic bearing that "floats" > 10" electro-magnetic servo tonearm with real-time adjustable and > self-correcting damping in horizontal and vertical dimensions. > > I use a Dynavector 20X2 on the JVC, and the combination is so surgical, so > precise and clean. > > The Rega P5, VPI Scout and the Thorens were good tables, just not precise > enough, nor neutral enough for me. > > Just my opinion, based on my ears, using my gear. > > > From: luis at peromarta.org > > Subject: Re: [naktalk]Re: Nak turntables > > Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 20:25:47 +0100 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > CC: naktalk at naks.com; shoeihell at yahoo.com > > > > Or a Thorens 125mkII ! > > > > Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. > > > > El 11/12/2011, a las 20:03, Willy Hermann < > willy at willyhermannservices.com> escribió: > > > > > give me a Linn LP-12 any day > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Mon Dec 12 16:05:52 2011 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 16:05:52 +0100 Subject: [naktalk]Re: Nak turntables In-Reply-To: References: <201112111117.pBBB8u0f031158@zxe.naks.com> <1323622348.5955.YahooMailNeo@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Fergus, I have been using Thorens Decks with fantastic results when properly serviced, with W&F values <0.03% which is fantastic performance, and very, very quiet - inaudible - rumble. Best rgds, L. El 12/12/2011, a las 12:47, Fergus Cullen escribió: > Noooooo.... I just bought a TD-160. Newly serviced. You think that was a bad idea? What's so bad about belt drives? > > The jvc sounds lovely. > > Fergus > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lucidsound at ic24.net Mon Dec 12 18:20:00 2011 From: lucidsound at ic24.net (Lucidsounds) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 17:20:00 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi turntables References: Message-ID: <02AE7234FC2742FCB78DEC838A778D17@Magdallen> The Linn LP12 is a flawed design, mainly because the subchassis is resonant. If you want proof, place a record on it, and with the motor switched off, place the stylus on the record. Now tap the armboard with a plastic wand and you will hear a deep reverberation through your amp and speakers caused by ringing the subchassis. That reverberation colours the sound so that the upper bass appears more 'full' while very deep bass is supressed. The use of a felt mat on a metal platter also enhances the upper mids giving an impression of 'presence'. That's not to say the Linn can't sound good, but it may not necessarily be accurate. The Pink Triangle decks addressed this nicely by making the subchassis out of a non-resonant lightweight material suspended on long thin springs and using an acrylic platter years before acrylic platters became almost standard issue. Pink also used DC motors when the rest of the world were mostly using AC. Their Anniversary model even placed the motor right on the subchassis instead of the base, and the isolation is stunning. Like all TT's, Pinks have their faults but the tonal character is very much one of neutrality. ----- Original Message ----- From: Christian Thomas To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2011 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] naksmichi turntables It you like the LP12 then they still don't come close. Shame. really, because they will mostly be much better made. Still th e newer LP12s really don't do it quite either these days. I have owned various LP12s since about 1978 and d'you know my overriding feeling about them these days? I wish I hadn't been taken in by the hype and bullshit because a BX-300 beats any of them hands down (and that's with me as a comparatively recent convert). Where the BX really excels is that there is no modulation on crescendos in terms of timing. The timing is rock solid. The problem with any turntable is trying to get the record to traverse the stylus at a constant speed and that is basically impossible unless you have a predictive mechanism. It doesn't matter a hoot on a tape deck. What the better turntables do is make it acceptable, but it will never be accurate. (Also, I suspect Shure and SME were right in their way.) Whether or not that is true would stake my life on Linn not knowing how a turntable works. CT On 11 December 2011 21:26, Ram Ramachandran wrote: How do the old turntables( LP 12 and Thorens 124/125) compare with the new turntables from VPI, Clearaudio etc... Sorry to digress from the Nakamichi theme. 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URL: From mark8559 at hotmail.com Mon Dec 12 19:00:19 2011 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 11:00:19 -0700 Subject: FW: [naktalk]Re: Nak turntables In-Reply-To: References: <201112111117.pBBB8u0f031158@zxe.naks.com>, , <1323622348.5955.YahooMailNeo@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>, , , , , Message-ID: Agree.You purchase stereo equipment with your ears and your check book.Ignor reviews, articles, and stereo mags. Many reviews state 'it's the best we ever tested'.I've been burned in the past with Klipsch, Marantz, Denon, Pioneer, and Teac. Many folks buy with their eyes like getting the big blue meters McIntosh amps (oh their great, no argument here please!). My present NAD, Adcom, and Rotel amps sound just fine.From: vidguy_me at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk]Re: Nak turntables Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 00:43:03 +0000 Just listen with your own ears, and take everyone else's opinion with a grain of salt. (Including mine) I wasted so much time on Rega turntables, mainly because everyone kept telling me how wonderful they were, yet I never liked any of them very much. I started to think there was something wrong with ME, so I kept upgrading, one after another.. There is so much mis-information out there it's not funny. Do not listen to reviews, or articles in stereo mags, probably the most biased opinions out there. It took a few years and a few tables to finally find a sound *I* enjoy. Now I could care less what the "audiophools" think. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: ATT00001 URL: From dougg at mmsav.com Mon Dec 12 15:59:40 2011 From: dougg at mmsav.com (Doug Guth) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 09:59:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nak Turntables In-Reply-To: <201112121337.pBCDZC24003703@zxe.naks.com> References: <201112121337.pBCDZC24003703@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi Willy and all, I’d have to go home and see if I can find some Dragon or TX-1000 literature but didn’t Nakamichi work on the “Cogging” issue by using a star shape on the direct drive coils to maintain a linear torque on the platter? I was a service manager/tech at high-end stores from the Nakamichi 1000 Tri-Tracer until the beginning of the end with the SoundSpace systems. I have owned and worked with many high-end turntables including Linn, SOTA, VPI, Meitner, Systemdek, Denon, Micro Seiki, etc. I can attest that the resulting sound is as much affected by the setup as it is by the sum of the components. I have heard, and owned a couple of Direct-Drive tables that had low frequency reproduction that eclipsed just about anything else. By the way aren’t most records cut on Direct-Drive lathes. :o) Happy listening all!! Doug Guth BSBE, CTS Field Service Engineer Multi Media Services 1029 Thousand Oaks Blvd. Greenville, SC, 29607 (864) 297-8533 dougg at mmsav.com -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of naktalk-request at naks.com Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:38 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 106, Issue 10 I hesitate to jump into this one but I can't help myself. The sonic detriment of the slightly off center hole in all but worst of the pressings exists but is only very slight. Nakamichi chose to throw what is granted an engineering tour de force at this one problem - and they solved it beautifully. Unfortunately, they designed the rest of the turntable like most other direct drives from Japan of that era (Technics 1200 as the best known). The sonic detriment of the cogging caused by that drive system creates terrible low frequency distortion in all the music you listen to creating a mushy, poorly defined low end. From that era give me a Linn LP-12 any day and I'll take the pressings with the center hole noticeably far off back to the store for replacements. The solidity of bass and resulting transparency of mids and highs will out perform the Nakamichi hands down - and you don't have to sweat having something of the complexity of the TX-1000 breaking. Just my two cents having sold both lines and done the listening comparisons. Willy On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 8:52 AM, Kevin Fetner wrote: There's a lot of truth in that. However, you can pay $30,000 for a new TT with infinitely low W&F, but it won't self-center the record like the TX-1000. Almost all records are hole punched off-center to a certain degree/factor....so this was no pie-in-the-sky feature. The TX-1000 even calculates and tells you to what degree the hole is off. And from my research, the sound difference is phenomenal on sustained notes like string instruments. It was an incredibly brilliant design that just faded into obscurity. The TX-1000 will sell anywhere from $300-$10,000(!)-depending on its source and condition. Truly, it's all over the board in price. God help you repairing the thing, but the original function is breath taking, not bling. Kevin ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 13:11:11 -0800 (PST) From: shanti ramachandran Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak turntables To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <1323551471.85207.YahooMailNeo at web112720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" IMHO, and from what I have heard, the Nak turntables( Dragon and the Tx) are more pain than gain in terms of your vinyl enjoyment. With the resurgence in vinyls and players, one is better off looking for brand new units than getting stuck with a Nak with numerous issues. Again, just my opinion. If you are a collector, then everything is kosher. 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URL: From jfj_taylor at hotmail.com Mon Dec 12 16:17:59 2011 From: jfj_taylor at hotmail.com (john taylor) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 15:17:59 +0000 Subject: [naktalk]Re: Nak turntables In-Reply-To: <000501ccb882$b4e4e220$1eaea660$@net> References: <201112111117.pBBB8u0f031158@zxe.naks.com> <1323622348.5955.YahooMailNeo@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> , , <000501ccb882$b4e4e220$1eaea660$@net> Message-ID: what's wrong with British turntables, futuristic ? some examples please ! and what is pure sound and direct powered, even those with DC motors ? most better quality turntable motors are powered by a separate regulated power supply. Regards, John. From: adrian at mechner.net To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk]Re: Nak turntables Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 20:01:19 -0800 And you’re very right about that.Pitch most of the times does have zilch in common with how good a TT actually is. There is actually no “0” dial on pitch. The explanation??? Very simple:In TT world you will find out (Kevin Dude, open up your ears!!!) that the motor is direct powered and pitch will adjust +/- 6% average, but only to adjust to the power deviations in X’s household. Pitch visualization and Pitch adjustment are not related.I never argued about any topic I was not 100% but this Kevin character really pisses me off, only because he acts like a smart ass…Like Willy said, DD from Nak: No, No, No!!! Don’t give up pure sound like the Brits build their TT’s for some futuristic and dead in Pampers self… technologies only because it appears to be fancy. L:ike I said, little league plays in the morning and adults who can afford this hobby to it at prime hour.AdrianP.S. Kevin boy, don’t piss me off because you’re on the south side of this topic… From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fergus Cullen Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2011 12:21 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk]Re: Nak turntables Wow! I didn't know about this at all. I would actually sacrifice a slight change in pitch for a better overall sound.That's just my preference. On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 7:03 PM, Willy Hermann wrote:I hesitate to jump into this one but I can't help myself. The sonic detriment of the slightly off center hole in all but worst of the pressings exists but is only very slight. Nakamichi chose to throw what is granted an engineering tour de force at this one problem - and they solved it beautifully. Unfortunately, they designed the rest of the turntable like most other direct drives from Japan of that era (Technics 1200 as the best known). The sonic detriment of the cogging caused by that drive system creates terrible low frequency distortion in all the music you listen to creating a mushy, poorly defined low end. From that era give me a Linn LP-12 any day and I'll take the pressings with the center hole noticeably far off back to the store for replacements. The solidity of bass and resulting transparency of mids and highs will out perform the Nakamichi hands down - and you don't have to sweat having something of the complexity of the TX-1000 breaking. Just my two cents having sold both lines and done the listening comparisons. WillyOn Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 8:52 AM, Kevin Fetner wrote:There's a lot of truth in that. However, you can pay $30,000 for a new TT with infinitely low W&F, but it won't self-center the record like the TX-1000. Almost all records are hole punched off-center to a certain degree/factor....so this was no pie-in-the-sky feature. The TX-1000 even calculates and tells you to what degree the hole is off. And from my research, the sound difference is phenomenal on sustained notes like string instruments. It was an incredibly brilliant design that just faded into obscurity. The TX-1000 will sell anywhere from $300-$10,000(!)-depending on its source and condition. Truly, it's all over the board in price. God help you repairing the thing, but the original function is breath taking, not bling. Kevin Message: 4 Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 13:11:11 -0800 (PST) From: shanti ramachandran Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak turntablesTo: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <1323551471.85207.YahooMailNeo at web112720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" IMHO, and from what I have heard, the Nak turntables( Dragon and the Tx) are more pain than gain in terms of your vinyl enjoyment. With the resurgence in vinyls and players, one is better off looking for brand new units than getting stuck with a Nak with numerous issues. Again, just my opinion. 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URL: From tim.skorick at gmail.com Mon Dec 12 16:53:45 2011 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 10:53:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk]Re: Nak turntables In-Reply-To: References: <201112111117.pBBB8u0f031158@zxe.naks.com> <1323622348.5955.YahooMailNeo@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I've had a TD-165 for several years that is wonderful. Newly serviced = bonus! -Tim On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 10:05 AM, Luis Peromarta wrote: > Hi Fergus, > > I have been using Thorens Decks with fantastic results when properly > serviced, with W&F values <0.03% which is fantastic performance, and very, > very quiet - inaudible - rumble. > > Best rgds, L. > > > El 12/12/2011, a las 12:47, Fergus Cullen escribió: > > Noooooo.... I just bought a TD-160. Newly serviced. You think that was a > bad idea? What's so bad about belt drives? > > The jvc sounds lovely. > > Fergus > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fergus.cullen at gmail.com Mon Dec 12 17:11:42 2011 From: fergus.cullen at gmail.com (Fergus Cullen) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 16:11:42 +0000 Subject: [naktalk]Re: Nak turntables In-Reply-To: References: <201112111117.pBBB8u0f031158@zxe.naks.com> <1323622348.5955.YahooMailNeo@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hey Luis! How's things? Hope you're keeping well. So what kind of tonearms and cartridges have you been using? Fergus On 12 Dec 2011 15:52, "Luis Peromarta" wrote: > Hi Fergus, > > I have been using Thorens Decks with fantastic results when properly > serviced, with W&F values <0.03% which is fantastic performance, and very, > very quiet - inaudible - rumble. > > Best rgds, L. > > > El 12/12/2011, a las 12:47, Fergus Cullen escribió: > > Noooooo.... I just bought a TD-160. Newly serviced. You think that was a > bad idea? What's so bad about belt drives? > > The jvc sounds lovely. > > Fergus > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Dec 12 19:06:14 2011 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 19:06:14 +0100 Subject: [naktalk]Re: Nak turntables In-Reply-To: References: <201112111117.pBBB8u0f031158@zxe.naks.com> <1323622348.5955.YahooMailNeo@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Please wrap this up. I have to start rejecting messages since some of us seem to take the whole topic too serious. Wouter From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Mon Dec 12 19:12:46 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 08:12:46 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] naksmichi turntables In-Reply-To: <001201ccb853$b7d52fa0$277f8ee0$@net> References: <001201ccb853$b7d52fa0$277f8ee0$@net> Message-ID: OMG! I'll take 2 of those, thank you. :-) -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Mechner Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2011 12:25 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] naksmichi turntables It's very hard to do a genetic statement. A TT is not a standard complex unit; you can exchange cartridges and you will get different sound on the same TT. You can exchange arms and you will have different sound and basically avery part you would exchange will give you different sound. This is actually the fascination of doing alchemy with turntables. You will later on find out that different phono stages will perform different. I take for granted that this table is supposed to sound great as is: http://www.needledoctor.com/Clearaudio-Statement-Turntable?sc=2&category=347 Adrian -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ram Ramachandran Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2011 1:26 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] naksmichi turntables How do the old turntables( LP 12 and Thorens 124/125) compare with the new turntables from VPI, Clearaudio etc... Sorry to digress from the Nakamichi theme. Ram.. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ronami at yahoo.com Mon Dec 12 19:38:56 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 10:38:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi turntables In-Reply-To: <02AE7234FC2742FCB78DEC838A778D17@Magdallen> References: <02AE7234FC2742FCB78DEC838A778D17@Magdallen> Message-ID: <1323715136.69274.YahooMailNeo@web130102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Almost any turntable will fail your tapping test, since the whole turntable will resonate, regardless of the sub-chassis (and even when there is no sub-chassis at all). The exception will be turntables mounted in solid, heavy plinths.  Most turntables have resonant platters. The test is to hang the platter with a thread and tap it. Most platters will ring like a church bell, imparting liveliness and 'zing' to the sound. Those that prefer fidelity can buy thick rubber o-rings to fit around the platter. The number of o-rings determines the level of damping. My Dual 5000 has a Delrin ring embedded in the platter underside. Tapping that platter produces a dull 'thunk' instead of the familiar 'boing'.  -- Ron >________________________________ > From: Lucidsounds >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 12:20 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] nakamichi turntables > > > >The Linn LP12 is a flawed design, mainly because the subchassis is resonant.  If you want proof, place a record on it, and with the motor switched off, place the stylus on the record.  Now tap the armboard with a plastic wand and you will hear a deep reverberation through your amp and speakers caused by ringing the subchassis.  That reverberation colours the sound so that the upper bass appears more 'full' while very deep bass is supressed. The use of a felt mat on a metal platter also enhances the upper mids giving an impression of 'presence'.  That's not to say the Linn can't sound good, but it may not necessarily be accurate. >  >The Pink Triangle decks addressed this nicely by making the subchassis out of a non-resonant lightweight material suspended on long thin springs and using an acrylic platter years before acrylic platters became almost standard issue. Pink also used DC motors when the rest of the world were mostly using AC. Their Anniversary model even placed the motor right on the subchassis instead of the base, and the isolation is stunning. Like all TT's, Pinks have their faults but the tonal character is very much one of neutrality.  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >----- Original Message ----- >>From: Christian Thomas >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2011 10:25 PM >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] naksmichi turntables >> >>It you like the LP12 then they still don't come close.  Shame. really, because they will mostly be much better made.  Still th e newer LP12s really don't do it quite either these days.  I have owned various LP12s since about 1978 and d'you know my overriding feeling about them these days?  I wish I hadn't been taken in by the hype and bullshit because a BX-300 beats any of them hands down (and that's with me as a comparatively recent convert). >> >> >>Where the BX really excels is that there is no modulation on crescendos in terms of timing.  The timing is rock solid.  The problem with any turntable is trying to get the record to traverse the stylus at a constant speed and that is basically impossible unless you have a predictive mechanism.  It doesn't matter a hoot on a tape deck.  What the better turntables do is make it acceptable, but it will never be accurate.  (Also, I suspect Shure and SME were right in their way.) Whether or not that is true would stake my life on Linn not knowing how a turntable works. >> >> >>CT >> >> >>On 11 December 2011 21:26, Ram Ramachandran wrote: >> >>How do the old turntables( LP 12 and Thorens 124/125) compare with the new turntables from VPI, Clearaudio etc... >>> >>>Sorry to digress from the Nakamichi theme. >>> >>> >>>Ram.. >>> >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >> >> >>-- >>Christian Thomas >> >> >>Has just (on 15/10/11) solved the root problem of loudspeaker and crossover design, after 25 years. It is so simple once you have pieced it together.  I now need your investment to keep the work going and complete the product range including amplifier.  Current price approx £3000/percent, up to 20% - covering approx 6 months and then proper fundraising for production.  You will generally NOT get to know what the secret is as a shareholder.  This does not constitute an offer of securities in any jurisdiction. >> >>________________________________ >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Mon Dec 12 21:07:02 2011 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 12:07:02 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nak Turntables In-Reply-To: References: <201112121337.pBCDZC24003703@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hello to Doug and all - I have no necessary aversion to direct drive turntables and I absolutely agree that both setup and the selection of a tone arm/ cartridge marriage are extremely important. I was referring to the bulk of the Japanese direct drive tables which operate by pulsing the rotor at a very low frequency. There are absolutely exceptions. The Denon system, for instance, is very linear in drive and sounds very solid in the low frequency ranges. As for pedigrees, I also was a service manager/technician/store owner from the original 1000 until I threw Nak out when SoundSpace was introduced. In the early 80's Harry Weisfeld (founder of VPI) and I designed a system using a Denon DP75 or DP80 direct drive motor with VPI's massive base cut to fit. My store at the time, dB Audio in Berkeley, put together this combination with a variety of tone arm/cartridge mates. And, yes, the magic brick was also Harry's and my design - hence the model number HW-dB-5. I was trained in the religion-like mysticism of tuning the LP-12 turntable at the Linn factory in Glasgow by Ivor himself. My early existence was in professional audio, working at the very beginning of the multi-track world for Sheffield Recordings (now Sheffield Audio/Video Productions - www.sheffieldav.com), so I know a good deal about the cutting and pressing process. Yes, a cutting lathe is a direct drive device but, again, is a linear drive system not a cog-o-matic. Pedigrees aside, I do admit to ignorance about the Nakamichi direct drive system. Their engineers were very clever and may have come up with a cogging fix. Please enlighten us if you find the answer. Now you know why I started my response with "I hesitate to jump into this". Sorry for the rant. Willy On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 6:59 AM, Doug Guth wrote: > Hi Willy and all, > > I’d have to go home and see if I can find some Dragon or TX-1000 > literature but didn’t Nakamichi work on the “Cogging” issue by using a star > shape on the direct drive coils to maintain a linear torque on the > platter? I was a service manager/tech at high-end stores from the > Nakamichi 1000 Tri-Tracer until the beginning of the end with the > SoundSpace systems. I have owned and worked with many high-end turntables > including Linn, SOTA, VPI, Meitner, Systemdek, Denon, Micro Seiki, etc. I > can attest that the resulting sound is as much affected by the setup as it > is by the sum of the components. I have heard, and owned a couple of > Direct-Drive tables that had low frequency reproduction that eclipsed just > about anything else. By the way aren’t most records cut on Direct-Drive > lathes. :o) > > > > Happy listening all!! > > > > Doug Guth > > BSBE, CTS > > Field Service Engineer > > Multi Media Services > > 1029 Thousand Oaks Blvd. > > Greenville, SC, 29607 > > (864) 297-8533 > > dougg at mmsav.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf Of naktalk-request at naks.com > Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:38 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 106, Issue 10 > > > > I hesitate to jump into this one but I can't help myself. The sonic > detriment of the slightly off center hole in all but worst of the pressings > exists but is only very slight. Nakamichi chose to throw what is granted > an engineering tour de force at this one problem - and they solved it > beautifully. Unfortunately, they designed the rest of the turntable like > most other direct drives from Japan of that era (Technics 1200 as the best > known). The sonic detriment of the cogging caused by that drive system > creates terrible low frequency distortion in all the music you listen to > creating a mushy, poorly defined low end. From that era give me a Linn > LP-12 any day and I'll take the pressings with the center > hole noticeably far off back to the store for replacements. The solidity > of bass and resulting transparency of mids and highs will out perform the > Nakamichi hands down - and you don't have to sweat having something of the > complexity of the TX-1000 breaking. > > > > Just my two cents having sold both lines and done the listening > comparisons. > > > > Willy > > On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 8:52 AM, Kevin Fetner wrote: > > There's a lot of truth in that. However, you can pay $30,000 for a new TT > with infinitely low W&F, but it won't self-center the record like the > TX-1000. Almost all records are hole punched off-center to a certain > degree/factor....so this was no pie-in-the-sky feature. The TX-1000 even > calculates and tells you to what degree the hole is off. And from my > research, the sound difference is phenomenal on sustained notes like string > instruments. It was an incredibly brilliant design that just faded into > obscurity. The TX-1000 will sell anywhere from $300-$10,000(!)-depending on > its source and condition. Truly, it's all over the board in price. God > help you repairing the thing, but the original function is breath taking, > not bling. > > > > Kevin > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 13:11:11 -0800 (PST) > From: shanti ramachandran > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak turntables > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Message-ID: > <1323551471.85207.YahooMailNeo at web112720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > IMHO, and from what I have heard, the Nak turntables( Dragon and the Tx) > are more pain than gain in terms of your vinyl enjoyment. > With the resurgence in vinyls and players, one is better off looking for > brand new units than getting stuck with a Nak with numerous issues. > > Again, just my opinion. 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 13 09:27:44 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 00:27:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk]Re: Nak turntables In-Reply-To: References: <201112111117.pBBB8u0f031158@zxe.naks.com> <1323622348.5955.YahooMailNeo@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1323764864.61964.YahooMailNeo@web160604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>  The Linn, is a very good turntable that has been greatly misunderstood because many listen to one that isn't correctly set up. The Linn, has also been very popular due to clever marketing by Ivor Teufenbrun. I recall a certain article in HiFi World in the late 90s about the Ariston RD11 that explains how Ivor's dad's company did many of the casting work for the RD11 which was one of the reasons for the similarity between the two. Some other very good turntables from this side of the ocean were the Michell Gyrodec, SMEs and Duals. The TD-160 is a beautiful turntable and a joy to set up and listen to. Most Thorens are pretty good despite being belt drive and are easy to set-up. Many people mistake the fact that the cast sub plinths and platters are a bad idea. It isn't and here's why: During normal operations, a turntable is never struck in a transient manner which we would if we struck it with a wand. What is encounters are a cacophony of vibration, sound waves, foot falls and other airborne and floorborne mechanical and acoustical noises. Cast metal happens to be very good and dampening these at a pretty wide range of frequencies. This is also why precision machining equipment such as lathes, milling machines and other machinery use cast metal for their bases. Of course, it isn't a total solution. The careful use of damping materials further reduces noise and vibration although the amount remains a contentious issue. With regards to this topic, the one thing that comes to my mind are Stradivarius violins whose bodies had been carefully planed to maintain an even density of the wood that gives its prized sound. Likewise, the amount of damping has been well tuned that many turntables are quiet and yet remain open and enjoyable without sounding too cold and 'dead'. Another restive issue which recently is being revisited is the choice of motor drive. With the advent of sophisticated electronics, the control of the DC motor allows for a very accurate and high quality drive of the turntable. Michelle and a few other manufacturers are turning to the DC motor as their choice for their future products. However, many turntable designers, past and present I have spoken with would not consider anything but the AC motor. Low vibration, steady rotating speed and low noise are some of their reasons and they simply proclaim that the alternatives need too much engineering to mitigate their drawbacks. Having overhauled 45 year old squirrel cage motors to mechanical perfection, I see their points. Correctly set-up, even vintage Garrards can be a giant killer with absolute silence. The turntable, by its open and very hands on nature is open to many interpretations, opinions and objectives. Some pursue musicality while others seek pure accuracy. It is difficult to nail any particular drive, or system or technology as the holy grail although the current technology seems to come back full circle to what companies like Thorens or Micro Seiki (who built the Nakamichi TT-1000) did 30 years ago. While, like many others here I have played by share of exotic VPIs and ClearAudios, the one constant in my vinyl live for nearly 30 years has been my Thorens TD-125. With a great past, and holding the distinction of being the choice DJ turntable for one of the world's best sounding clubs (Studio 54, New York), the 125 always delivered in style. A great turntable that brought me back to the exact spot in the Black Forest region in Germany where the 125 was originally made in long gone factories. After nearly 30 years of vinyl and analogue, the one thing that all true vinyl lovers must understand is not if your turntable can lower its own needle or flip the record or the zeroes in its price tag. Nor does your street cred as a vinyl lover (if there is such a thing) goes up based on how much your records weigh. What remains important is how well you set-up your turntable and how deeply you understand what you set-up. Many expensive set-ups have been ruined due to a hair of a degree different in the VTA, while Dual 1010s have blown me away with so much soul and gusto with the right set-up. Let us all take this weekend or whenever possible to check our tables once again, and question those settings - Am I listening to this right? Are my discs absolutely clean? Have I used the correct loading for my cartridge? Whatever we may be listening, I am sure we love it for a reason. Let us rediscover our love and get carried away in sweet dreams while the needle goes 'bump! bump! bump!' Cheers! Bala ________________________________ From: Fergus Cullen To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 9:47 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk]Re: Nak turntables Noooooo.... I just bought a TD-160. Newly serviced. You think that was a bad idea? What's so bad about belt drives? The jvc sounds lovely. Fergus On 12 Dec 2011 11:09, "vidguy vidguy" wrote: >Not for me. >I *used* to be a Belt Drive Fan. > >I'm DD all the way now > >I'm a former TD-160 owner, it was equipped with an Infinity Black Widow arm (inherited from my uncle) >I've also owned 1 Pro-ject, 3 Rega's, including a P5 with TTPSU, GrooveTracer sub-platter. >My last Belt Drive was a VPI Scout. > >I left most of those behind, when I got an SL1200, and added an RB350 Arm. > >I dumped P5 and the Scout, because after spending $2000.00, they just couldn't offer anything over my $500.00 (Max) DDs. > >My current stable is exclusively Direct Drive, consisting of: >1: JVC QL-Y66F >2: JVC QL-Y55F >3: Denon DP-47 >4: Technics SL-1200MkII /RB350 >4: Mitsubishi LT-30 > >The JVC QL-Y66F is a stunning piece of work,  Massive 14" platter with a magnetic bearing that "floats" >10" electro-magnetic servo tonearm with real-time adjustable and self-correcting damping in horizontal and vertical dimensions. > >I use a Dynavector 20X2 on the JVC, and the combination is so surgical, so precise and clean. >  >The Rega P5, VPI Scout and the Thorens were good tables, just not precise enough, nor neutral enough for me. > >Just my opinion, based on my ears, using my gear. > > >> From: luis at peromarta.org >> Subject: Re: [naktalk]Re: Nak turntables >> Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 20:25:47 +0100 >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> CC: naktalk at naks.com; shoeihell at yahoo.com >> >> Or a Thorens 125mkII ! >> >> Sent from iPhone. 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BTW I ordered a set of Knipex grip ring pliers and they are the cats ass for working with the cassette door retaining ring! :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From douglocke at whiteapple.u-net.com Fri Dec 16 01:10:49 2011 From: douglocke at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug locke) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 00:10:49 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR4E Occasionally stops playing before the end of the tape. Message-ID: <4EEA8C89.4000401@whiteapple.u-net.com> Wonder if someone can offer some advice please, I have been a member for a long time but now have a problem of my own. I have a CR4E which has been a second deck to a 680ZX and consequently has not been used a great deal. Recently I played a tape on the CR4E and the deck stopped normally but only 3/4 of the way through as if it had reached the end of the tape with the light on in the stop button. When I ejected the tape there was a small loop of tape stuck out of the cassette to the right hand side as facing the deck. This has now happened a couple of times and I wonder if someone with experience of the decks could give me an insight into the problem. Very grateful for any help on this. Thanks. Doug Locke. From willy at willyhermannservices.com Fri Dec 16 02:33:34 2011 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 17:33:34 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] CR4E Occasionally stops playing before the end of the tape. In-Reply-To: <4EEA8C89.4000401@whiteapple.u-net.com> References: <4EEA8C89.4000401@whiteapple.u-net.com> Message-ID: Doug - That problem is usually caused when the spooling motor stops. I have had a series of bad spooling motors in those transports and have so far been unsuccessful in rebuilding the motors. My only success in keeping the decks working is to replace that motor. Best of luck. Willy On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Doug locke wrote: > Wonder if someone can offer some advice please, I have been a member for a > long time but now have a problem of my own. > I have a CR4E which has been a second deck to a 680ZX and consequently has > not been used a great deal. > Recently I played a tape on the CR4E and the deck stopped normally but > only 3/4 of the way through as if it had reached the end of the tape with > the light on in the stop button. When I ejected the tape there was a small > loop of tape stuck out of the cassette to the right hand side as facing the > deck. > This has now happened a couple of times and I wonder if someone with > experience of the decks could give me an insight into the problem. > Very grateful for any help on this. > > Thanks. > Doug Locke. > ========----------------------**------------------------------** > -----========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========----------------------**------------------------------** > -----========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/**listinfo/naktalk > ========----------------------**------------------------------** > -----========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From buitamdiep at vnn.vn Fri Dec 16 07:20:34 2011 From: buitamdiep at vnn.vn (buitamdiep) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 13:20:34 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR4E Occasionally stops playing before the end of thetape. References: <4EEA8C89.4000401@whiteapple.u-net.com> Message-ID: <000601ccbbba$d2917140$6401a8c0@PC201101071343> Since your cr-4 has gear drive so your reel motor has a dead spot. At best replace it with original sankyo reel motor(difficult to find) or mabuchi RF-510T ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug locke" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 7:10 AM Subject: [naktalk] CR4E Occasionally stops playing before the end of thetape. > Wonder if someone can offer some advice please, I have been a member for a > long time but now have a problem of my own. > I have a CR4E which has been a second deck to a 680ZX and consequently has > not been used a great deal. > Recently I played a tape on the CR4E and the deck stopped normally but > only 3/4 of the way through as if it had reached the end of the tape with > the light on in the stop button. When I ejected the tape there was a small > loop of tape stuck out of the cassette to the right hand side as facing > the deck. > This has now happened a couple of times and I wonder if someone with > experience of the decks could give me an insight into the problem. > Very grateful for any help on this. > > Thanks. > Doug Locke. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ronami at yahoo.com Fri Dec 16 15:44:33 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 06:44:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR4E Occasionally stops playing before the end of the tape. In-Reply-To: <4EEA8C89.4000401@whiteapple.u-net.com> References: <4EEA8C89.4000401@whiteapple.u-net.com> Message-ID: <1324046673.75061.YahooMailNeo@web130106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> That's almost certainly a take up problem. If your transport has a idler with a rubber tire (I don't remember off hand whether CR4 transports ever had them) it would be the first thing to suspect. If OK (or if your deck has a gear idler), the suspect is the reel motor and/or it's adjustment. To verify the idler, remove the black back plate in the cassette well (two tiny screws at the top of the plate. The wheel at the center is the idler. If it's a toothed gear, put the plate back in -- the idler is not your problem. If it has a black rubber rim, clean that rim and the mating the take up cassette hub with a Q-tip, moistened with pure alcohol. If the rubber is hard and glossy, replace the hub. Next suspect is the reel motor. First, check the reel motor speed  (step 2, page 10 in the service manual which you can download from: http://www.naks.com/wiki/doku.php?id=documents. If adjustment doesn't help, consider rebuilding the reel motor. Failing that, replace it. -- Ron >________________________________ > From: Doug locke >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 7:10 PM >Subject: [naktalk] CR4E Occasionally stops playing before the end of the tape. > >Wonder if someone can offer some advice please, I have been a member for a long time but now have a problem of my own. >I have a CR4E which has been a second deck to a 680ZX and consequently has not been used a great deal. >Recently I played a tape on the CR4E and the deck stopped normally but only 3/4 of the way through as if it had reached the end of the tape with the light on in the stop button. When I ejected the tape there was a small loop of tape stuck out of the cassette to the right hand side as facing the deck. >This has now happened a couple of times and I wonder if someone with experience of the decks could give me an insight into the problem. >Very grateful for any help on this. > >Thanks. >Doug Locke. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >        Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                      Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From douglocke at whiteapple.u-net.com Sat Dec 17 01:58:29 2011 From: douglocke at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug locke) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 00:58:29 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR4E Occasionally stops playing before the end of the tape. In-Reply-To: <4EEA8C89.4000401@whiteapple.u-net.com> References: <4EEA8C89.4000401@whiteapple.u-net.com> Message-ID: <4EEBE935.1010602@whiteapple.u-net.com> Apologies for posting first and investigating second, but having gone over the archives there would appear to be an answer to this problem in October where unfortunately the suspect is the reel motor. Any further advice still welcomed, especially if it doesn't involve replacing the motor. Thanks. Doug locke. On 16/12/2011 00:10, Doug locke wrote: > Wonder if someone can offer some advice please, I have been a member > for a long time but now have a problem of my own. > I have a CR4E which has been a second deck to a 680ZX and consequently > has not been used a great deal. > Recently I played a tape on the CR4E and the deck stopped normally but > only 3/4 of the way through as if it had reached the end of the tape > with the light on in the stop button. When I ejected the tape there > was a small loop of tape stuck out of the cassette to the right hand > side as facing the deck. > This has now happened a couple of times and I wonder if someone with > experience of the decks could give me an insight into the problem. > Very grateful for any help on this. > > Thanks. > Doug Locke. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From bluejets3 at comcast.net Sat Dec 17 02:00:30 2011 From: bluejets3 at comcast.net (Tracy and Neville) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 20:00:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RX505 tire change. Message-ID: <5B7636E65FBF4CD5972EC2BAA487A155@TracyPC> Hi Perry. Can I get the link to the photos for the tire change? Guides like these are always useful to us first timers. Thanks Neville -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se Sat Dec 17 10:14:33 2011 From: paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?P=E4r_Ericsson?=) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 09:14:33 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR4E Occasionally stops playing before the end of thetape. References: <4EEA8C89.4000401@whiteapple.u-net.com> Message-ID: <37B3EDD1A7674DAA963C6A1A945E0AC0@superdator> The Sankyo mechanism used in your CR4 needs a new winding motor. You could try spraying some contact cleaner into the motor but my experience says that replacement of the motor is the best and mostly the only solution. Good luck / Pelle. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug locke" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 1:10 AM Subject: [naktalk] CR4E Occasionally stops playing before the end of thetape. > Wonder if someone can offer some advice please, I have been a member for a > long time but now have a problem of my own. > I have a CR4E which has been a second deck to a 680ZX and consequently has > not been used a great deal. > Recently I played a tape on the CR4E and the deck stopped normally but > only 3/4 of the way through as if it had reached the end of the tape with > the light on in the stop button. When I ejected the tape there was a small > loop of tape stuck out of the cassette to the right hand side as facing > the deck. > This has now happened a couple of times and I wonder if someone with > experience of the decks could give me an insight into the problem. > Very grateful for any help on this. > > Thanks. > Doug Locke. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From dave.bowley at hotmail.co.uk Sat Dec 17 12:18:29 2011 From: dave.bowley at hotmail.co.uk (Dave Bowley) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 11:18:29 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR4E Occasionally stops playing before the end of the tape. In-Reply-To: <4EEBE935.1010602@whiteapple.u-net.com> References: <4EEA8C89.4000401@whiteapple.u-net.com>, <4EEBE935.1010602@whiteapple.u-net.com> Message-ID: Doug - if the reel motor proves to be the suspect [if CR4 is fitted with the geared drive rather than rubber tyre] then U could try the 'Deoxit dodge' which has proved successful in the past in 'reviving' troublesome reel motors.The trick is to spray a very small qty in to the reel motor via the slots in its casing [avoiding getting it on the drive belts] & then leaving it to soak in to the internals for a while [say overnight]. Keep adjusting the position of the machine over this time to ensure that the fluid 'circulates' in the motor internals. It works by attacking the build of of oxide within the motor & has been successful for me a number of times in the past.If it works then to avoid re-occurrence make sure to use the deck for a few minutes each week to keep the problem from returning. Not a techie solution but it does work Dave > Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 00:58:29 +0000 > From: douglocke at whiteapple.u-net.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR4E Occasionally stops playing before the end of the tape. > > Apologies for posting first and investigating second, but having gone > over the archives there would appear to be an answer to this problem in > October where unfortunately the suspect is the reel motor. > Any further advice still welcomed, especially if it doesn't involve > replacing the motor. > > Thanks. > Doug locke. > > On 16/12/2011 00:10, Doug locke wrote: > > Wonder if someone can offer some advice please, I have been a member > > for a long time but now have a problem of my own. > > I have a CR4E which has been a second deck to a 680ZX and consequently > > has not been used a great deal. > > Recently I played a tape on the CR4E and the deck stopped normally but > > only 3/4 of the way through as if it had reached the end of the tape > > with the light on in the stop button. 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URL: From vidalgo at gmail.com Sat Dec 17 18:50:58 2011 From: vidalgo at gmail.com (Vitaly Ovseitsev) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 19:50:58 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] High-Com II schematics? Message-ID: Hi to all. Does anybody have shematics or service manual for High-Com II ? I got one unit for acceptable price and starting back it to the life. It was not so bad shape, but needed some work (cleaning, burned lamps, etc.). Now i run functional checks and found a major problem. When I make record in bypass mode, all seems to be OK (at this time I don't check how good it or bad, just functional test). When I switch to normal mode (i.e. noise reduction ON), make a record and play it back, I get left channel distorted. Not overload, just audible distortion. Input/output levels are calibrated. When I play an old record throuh the High-Com, I hear left channel undistorted in both positions of the noise reduction ON and OFF (except the spectral changes of course). So, source of distortion must be somewhere in the "record channel" of my High-Com. Schematics would be very helpful for further search, otherwise I would have to check parts one-by-one, and I don't know what is correct position of each trrimmer.... I have a bunch of test equipment at home, some spares and long-run skill, so re-calibration is not a problem. Just need a service info. regards Vitaly From angel9esoteric at gmail.com Sat Dec 17 20:04:40 2011 From: angel9esoteric at gmail.com (MD) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 14:04:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] High-Com II schematics? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, I think the problem might be failing so called "orange caps" in record channel.Regards,M On 12/17/11, Vitaly Ovseitsev wrote: > Hi to all. > > Does anybody have shematics or service manual for High-Com II ? > > I got one unit for acceptable price and starting back it to the life. > It was not so bad shape, but needed some work (cleaning, burned lamps, > etc.). > Now i run functional checks and found a major problem. > When I make record in bypass mode, all seems to be OK (at this time I > don't check how good it or bad, just functional test). > When I switch to normal mode (i.e. noise reduction ON), make a record > and play it back, I get left channel distorted. Not overload, just > audible distortion. Input/output levels are calibrated. > When I play an old record throuh the High-Com, I hear left channel > undistorted in both positions of the noise reduction ON and OFF > (except the spectral changes of course). So, source of distortion must > be somewhere in the "record channel" of my High-Com. > Schematics would be very helpful for further search, otherwise I would > have to check parts one-by-one, and I don't know what is correct > position of each trrimmer.... > I have a bunch of test equipment at home, some spares and long-run > skill, so re-calibration is not a problem. Just need a service info. > > regards > Vitaly > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From willy at willyhermannservices.com Sat Dec 17 21:03:27 2011 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 12:03:27 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] High-Com II schematics? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have a High-Com II service manual. I'll get it scanned in the next couple of days and send it on to Wouter for posting on the wiki pages. Willy On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 9:50 AM, Vitaly Ovseitsev wrote: > Hi to all. > > Does anybody have shematics or service manual for High-Com II ? > > I got one unit for acceptable price and starting back it to the life. > It was not so bad shape, but needed some work (cleaning, burned lamps, > etc.). > Now i run functional checks and found a major problem. > When I make record in bypass mode, all seems to be OK (at this time I > don't check how good it or bad, just functional test). > When I switch to normal mode (i.e. noise reduction ON), make a record > and play it back, I get left channel distorted. Not overload, just > audible distortion. Input/output levels are calibrated. > When I play an old record throuh the High-Com, I hear left channel > undistorted in both positions of the noise reduction ON and OFF > (except the spectral changes of course). So, source of distortion must > be somewhere in the "record channel" of my High-Com. > Schematics would be very helpful for further search, otherwise I would > have to check parts one-by-one, and I don't know what is correct > position of each trrimmer.... > I have a bunch of test equipment at home, some spares and long-run > skill, so re-calibration is not a problem. Just need a service info. > > regards > Vitaly > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vidalgo at gmail.com Sat Dec 17 23:54:08 2011 From: vidalgo at gmail.com (Vitaly Ovseitsev) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 00:54:08 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] High-Com II schematics? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Willy. Just got the service manual for small money. Lucky it mate to my version of High-Com II (where "calibration" sit on mode switch, not on filter switch). Looks to be complete manual, all pages are with good readability. I can contribute it to the community, just a little confused what email address I need for uploading. So you can save your time (thanks again). But please check this one - if you have another version, perhaps it makes sense to do your scan. BTW, only 5 orange drops were inside. I replaced them immediately so it not the source of extra distortion. All measured as not totally failed - a little out of tolerance, a bit high D, replaced anyway. I found "blue drops" instead :) 4 small tantalums, 0.47uF and 0.68uF, drop-style with blue coating, sitting near those secret Telefunken chips. Will search for small size film replacements and will try in the next couple of days. regards Vitaly On 12/17/11, Willy Hermann wrote: > I have a High-Com II service manual. I'll get it scanned in the next > couple of days and send it on to Wouter for posting on the wiki pages. > > Willy > > On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 9:50 AM, Vitaly Ovseitsev wrote: > >> Hi to all. >> >> Does anybody have shematics or service manual for High-Com II ? >> >> I got one unit for acceptable price and starting back it to the life. >> It was not so bad shape, but needed some work (cleaning, burned lamps, >> etc.). >> Now i run functional checks and found a major problem. >> When I make record in bypass mode, all seems to be OK (at this time I >> don't check how good it or bad, just functional test). >> When I switch to normal mode (i.e. noise reduction ON), make a record >> and play it back, I get left channel distorted. Not overload, just >> audible distortion. Input/output levels are calibrated. >> When I play an old record throuh the High-Com, I hear left channel >> undistorted in both positions of the noise reduction ON and OFF >> (except the spectral changes of course). So, source of distortion must >> be somewhere in the "record channel" of my High-Com. >> Schematics would be very helpful for further search, otherwise I would >> have to check parts one-by-one, and I don't know what is correct >> position of each trrimmer.... >> I have a bunch of test equipment at home, some spares and long-run >> skill, so re-calibration is not a problem. Just need a service info. >> >> regards >> Vitaly >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > From gtsdave at bellsouth.net Sun Dec 18 22:22:09 2011 From: gtsdave at bellsouth.net (gtsdave) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 16:22:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon for sale Message-ID: <5C98609676DC431D88699A138DBC2318@home> Saw this posting on local Craigslist for Dragon, $650.00. Looks like one of the knobs is missing. http://orlando.craigslist.org/ele/2742938851.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From douglocke at whiteapple.u-net.com Sun Dec 18 22:33:55 2011 From: douglocke at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug locke) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 21:33:55 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR4E Occasionally stops playing before the end ofthetape. In-Reply-To: <37B3EDD1A7674DAA963C6A1A945E0AC0@superdator> References: <4EEA8C89.4000401@whiteapple.u-net.com> <37B3EDD1A7674DAA963C6A1A945E0AC0@superdator> Message-ID: <4EEE5C43.7030601@whiteapple.u-net.com> First of all, many thanks for the helpful replies. I will try the de-oxit route as a "nothing to loose" bet first and see if I can get away without replacing the motor. If that doesn't work sourcing a motor is next I suppose. Being UK based I had the 680zx serviced at B&W a while back, but would not like to spend that sort of money on the CR4E, so any fixes will have to be down to me. Cheers. Doug Locke. On 16/01/2012 08:50, Pär Ericsson wrote: > The Sankyo mechanism used in your CR4 needs a new winding motor. You > could try spraying some contact cleaner into the motor but my > experience says that > replacement of the motor is the best and mostly the only solution. > > Good luck / Pelle. > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug locke" > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 1:10 AM > Subject: [naktalk] CR4E Occasionally stops playing before the end of > thetape. > > >> Wonder if someone can offer some advice please, I have been a member >> for a long time but now have a problem of my own. >> I have a CR4E which has been a second deck to a 680ZX and >> consequently has not been used a great deal. >> Recently I played a tape on the CR4E and the deck stopped normally >> but only 3/4 of the way through as if it had reached the end of the >> tape with the light on in the stop button. When I ejected the tape >> there was a small loop of tape stuck out of the cassette to the right >> hand side as facing the deck. >> This has now happened a couple of times and I wonder if someone with >> experience of the decks could give me an insight into the problem. >> Very grateful for any help on this. >> >> Thanks. >> Doug Locke. >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From joyell.solie at sasktel.net Mon Dec 19 14:49:14 2011 From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 07:49:14 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 670 zx idler Message-ID: <000d01ccbe54$ff9ecfb0$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Hello guys(and gals) I was wondering if anyone has had success with bending (using heat) the plastic arm for the idler wheel to realign it ? I know there is a change up kit but likely unobtainium and/or expensive! Cheers, Rainer S. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ct.waveform at googlemail.com Mon Dec 19 15:12:14 2011 From: ct.waveform at googlemail.com (Christian Thomas) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 14:12:14 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR4E Occasionally stops playing before the end ofthetape. In-Reply-To: <4EEE5C43.7030601@whiteapple.u-net.com> References: <4EEA8C89.4000401@whiteapple.u-net.com> <37B3EDD1A7674DAA963C6A1A945E0AC0@superdator> <4EEE5C43.7030601@whiteapple.u-net.com> Message-ID: Hi Doug I have written a couple of replies to problems like this in the past. If you can find them they are more comprehensive than this one. But would try the de-oxit or wd-40 route. You will have to clean the belts but that's no real problem. What happens is that the grease gets old and stiff - esp with lack of use. If you can get some very light oil in there then the phosphor bronze bushes can start filling again. The ideal thing to do is remove the motor and run it backwards and forwards for a few houirs. The alternative is to simply press wind and rewind and leave it going for an hour at a time. Let it cool down and then do the same in reverse. There is nothing wrong with the motor itself, only that most of the torque is being used up in overcoming stiff bearings. Best of luck Christian PS (I did the wind/rewind on my BX-300) On 18 December 2011 21:33, Doug locke wrote: > First of all, many thanks for the helpful replies. > I will try the de-oxit route as a "nothing to loose" bet first and see if > I can get away without replacing the motor. > If that doesn't work sourcing a motor is next I suppose. > Being UK based I had the 680zx serviced at B&W a while back, but would not > like to spend that sort of money on the CR4E, so any fixes will have to be > down to me. > > Cheers. > Doug Locke. > > > > On 16/01/2012 08:50, Pär Ericsson wrote: > >> The Sankyo mechanism used in your CR4 needs a new winding motor. You >> could try spraying some contact cleaner into the motor but my experience >> says that >> replacement of the motor is the best and mostly the only solution. >> >> Good luck / Pelle. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug locke" < >> douglocke at whiteapple.u-net.**com > >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 1:10 AM >> Subject: [naktalk] CR4E Occasionally stops playing before the end of >> thetape. >> >> >> Wonder if someone can offer some advice please, I have been a member for >>> a long time but now have a problem of my own. >>> I have a CR4E which has been a second deck to a 680ZX and consequently >>> has not been used a great deal. >>> Recently I played a tape on the CR4E and the deck stopped normally but >>> only 3/4 of the way through as if it had reached the end of the tape with >>> the light on in the stop button. When I ejected the tape there was a small >>> loop of tape stuck out of the cassette to the right hand side as facing the >>> deck. >>> This has now happened a couple of times and I wonder if someone with >>> experience of the decks could give me an insight into the problem. >>> Very grateful for any help on this. >>> >>> Thanks. >>> Doug Locke. >>> ========----------------------**------------------------------**-----========= >>> >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========----------------------**------------------------------**-----========= >>> >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/** >>> listinfo/naktalk >>> ========----------------------**------------------------------**-----========= >>> >>> >> >> >> ========----------------------**------------------------------**-----========= >> >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========----------------------**------------------------------**-----========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/** >> listinfo/naktalk >> ========----------------------**------------------------------**-----========= >> >> >> > ========----------------------**------------------------------** > -----========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========----------------------**------------------------------** > -----========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/**listinfo/naktalk > ========----------------------**------------------------------** > -----========= > -- Christian Thomas Has just (on 15/10/11) solved the root problem of loudspeaker and crossover design, after 25 years. It is so simple once you have pieced it together. I now need your investment to keep the work going and complete the product range including amplifier. Current price approx £3000/percent, up to 20% - covering approx 6 months and then proper fundraising for production. You will generally NOT get to know what the secret is as a shareholder. This does not constitute an offer of securities in any jurisdiction. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Mon Dec 19 17:46:36 2011 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 08:46:36 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon for sale In-Reply-To: <5C98609676DC431D88699A138DBC2318@home> References: <5C98609676DC431D88699A138DBC2318@home> Message-ID: OMG!! Pristine? It's amazing what people will say. $650 is too high for a deck in that kind of condition. I'd go for $450. Willy On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 1:22 PM, gtsdave wrote: > Saw this posting on local Craigslist for Dragon, $650.00. Looks like one > of the knobs is missing. > > http://orlando.craigslist.org/ele/2742938851.html > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Mon Dec 19 18:11:59 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 07:11:59 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] 670 zx idler In-Reply-To: <000d01ccbe54$ff9ecfb0$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> References: <000d01ccbe54$ff9ecfb0$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Message-ID: Yes, I did it on my 581 and it worked like a champ. I took the idler wheel off of the arm and ran a very short stubby phillips screwdriver through the hole in the arm so that the handle of the screwdriver was flush to the idler arm. Then the screwdriver handle made a perfect handle for bending while the arm was hot and holding it in place while it cooled. It might take a few tries to get it right. You might try progressively heating the arm to see just how much heat it takes to bend/form the arm. I bought a small, cheap hot air gun from DigiKey for the job and put my industrial strength heat gun back in the cupboard. My first bend was a lttle too much and required reheating and bending it back a little. I was kind of scared to do it, but Jeff at ESL said the price of a new arm was $145 and that they have to heat and bend the new ones too. Based on that you might as well try. Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Rainer & Joy-Ell Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 3:49 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] 670 zx idler Hello guys(and gals) I was wondering if anyone has had success with bending (using heat) the plastic arm for the idler wheel to realign it ? I know there is a change up kit but likely unobtainium and/or expensive! Cheers, Rainer S. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fsclaol at yahoo.com Mon Dec 19 23:13:20 2011 From: fsclaol at yahoo.com (Fred S.C. Li) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 14:13:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Xmas Comes Early, Timely Find...... Message-ID: <1324332800.28761.YahooMailNeo@web122510.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Have been slowly going through my stash of music (tapes), some marked, mismarked, no markings (old Acco file folder labels fit perfectly on cassette box spines, except after many years they dry out and fall off)....... So pop in an un-marked maxell UD C 90 (unscratched box) and pleasantly surprised as music is Christmas music :>)..... not new but Christmas music that doesn't get played anymore....... I figure it's origins are from the RX-505 (RIP) recorded when it was new.  The music is off the radio, KNX 93, and probably a test recording on Type 1 cassette which would get recorded over except never did.  One thing for sure, it still sounds great and nice break from current Holiday fare.     Fred was in CA and now in CT -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fsclaol at yahoo.com Tue Dec 20 00:23:02 2011 From: fsclaol at yahoo.com (Fred S.C. Li) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 15:23:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] US Brochures 1000, 700, 610, 600 1976 Vintage.... Message-ID: <1324336982.31425.YahooMailNeo@web122505.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Unfortunately, can't contribute much to the technical discussions, however, just dug out some 600 paperwork and found pristine brochures.  I can do a high quality scans and get them to Wouter for the wiki if there's any interest. Also, Nakamichi "Peripheral Equipment" and "Nakamichi Collection Vol. 1" pamphlets   Fred in CT  -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr Tue Dec 20 17:05:09 2011 From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (bb) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 17:05:09 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Polypropylene Film caps In-Reply-To: <8CBF275B-D122-4F9E-9FA0-9F3C5E941AE8@gmail.com> References: <31385228.2363033.1300371474141.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <798572.81260.qm@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8CBF275B-D122-4F9E-9FA0-9F3C5E941AE8@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4EF0B235.8020301@univ-rennes1.fr> Hi Gerhard, On the picture that you sent (from the Ozaka shop if memory serves), what is the price of the 100V/ 680 pF: *50 or 150 JPY* ? in other words, 0.5 or 1.5 Euro ? Thanks for your reply Regards Bernard Le 18/03/2011 06:44, Gerhard Wartha a écrit : > there are 4 shops in Osaka with all original PP-cups for the Naks. > And no earth quick in Osaka. > > I was there. The have web sides to order , but in japanese. > > Some man who are working in this shops speak english. > > I will post the web address in the next days. > Osaka is in the west off japan. > In a Nak we should use polypropylen ! Not metallized polyproylene. > > the cups the japanese sell in this shops are with 1 or 2% tolerance. > > If you use 5% cups you can select them to the same value if the work > on left and right cannel. > > The voltage is much more important to take care off. > > regards from europe, > > gerhard > -----------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeruff at yahoo.com Wed Dec 21 03:56:44 2011 From: jeruff at yahoo.com (jesse ruff) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 18:56:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Xmas Comes Early, Timely Find...... In-Reply-To: <1324332800.28761.YahooMailNeo@web122510.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1324436204.76287.YahooMailClassic@web83704.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I've got a Christmas mix that's certainly not par for the course.  I'd be happy to send you a copy if you're looking for some entertaining Christmas music.  In fact, I could dub it to cassette if that's the preferred method.  You want to help with the ship, that goes to all and any.  Holiday cheers from Chicago.  Jesse p.s. Neat find on the tape Fred--that's one of my favorite elements of collecting tapes and tape decks--the chance of discovering something that needs to be heard or needs to be played. --- On Mon, 12/19/11, Fred S.C. Li wrote: From: Fred S.C. Li Subject: [naktalk] Xmas Comes Early, Timely Find...... To: "Nakamichitechtalk" Date: Monday, December 19, 2011, 5:13 PM Have been slowly going through my stash of music (tapes), some marked, mismarked, no markings (old Acco file folder labels fit perfectly on cassette box spines, except after many years they dry out and fall off)....... So pop in an un-marked maxell UD C 90 (unscratched box) and pleasantly surprised as music is Christmas music :>)..... not new but Christmas music that doesn't get played anymore....... I figure it's origins are from the RX-505 (RIP) recorded when it was new.  The music is off the radio, KNX 93, and probably a test recording on Type 1 cassette which would get recorded over except never did.  One thing for sure, it still sounds great and nice break from current Holiday fare.   Fred was in CA and now in CT -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com Wed Dec 21 12:15:04 2011 From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 12:15:04 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Polypropylene Film caps In-Reply-To: <4EF0B235.8020301@univ-rennes1.fr> References: <31385228.2363033.1300371474141.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <798572.81260.qm@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8CBF275B-D122-4F9E-9FA0-9F3C5E941AE8@gmail.com> <4EF0B235.8020301@univ-rennes1.fr> Message-ID: Hi, the are 150 cent. Japanese jen is going hi ( expensive) now. I spend many thousands Euro for listening analog with Nakamichi. And I spend very much to get parts for Naka. Money does no matter if you buy 5 or 15 pcs. pp for one Deck ! I still have your wish list, My wife will be in Osaka in 9.1.12 for 10 days. If I need something from this shop she will go there. It takes 4 ours in two ways. pp in Stock to buy will always a change. Cups are more expensive on the Japanese Internet shops. Only there we see the stock. I did find two very good 680pF on Ebay today. Easy to buy, very good cups, Silver Mica is even better than the Naka pp. you find them in Accuphase amps. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10pcs-Silver-MICA-Capacitor-680pF-500V-fr- audio-amp-New-/160701909266? pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item256a948912 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10pcs-Silver-MICA-Capacitor-680pF-500V-fr- audio-amp-New-/160701909266? pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item256a948912 regards G If she goes there i will send you a mail. Am 20.12.2011 um 17:05 schrieb bb: > Hi Gerhard, > > On the picture that you sent (from the Ozaka shop if memory > serves), what is the price of the 100V/ 680 pF: 50 or 150 JPY ? in > other words, 0.5 or 1.5 Euro ? > > Thanks for your reply > Regards > Bernard > > > Le 18/03/2011 06:44, Gerhard Wartha a écrit : >> >> there are 4 shops in Osaka with all original PP-cups for the >> Naks. And no earth quick in Osaka. >> >> I was there. The have web sides to order , but in japanese. >> >> Some man who are working in this shops speak english. >> >> I will post the web address in the next days. >> Osaka is in the west off japan. >> In a Nak we should use polypropylen ! Not metallized polyproylene. >> >> the cups the japanese sell in this shops are with 1 or 2% tolerance. >> >> If you use 5% cups you can select them to the same value if the >> work on left and right cannel. >> >> The voltage is much more important to take care off. >> >> regards from europe, >> >> gerhard >> >> -----------------------------========= > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Wed Dec 21 18:40:22 2011 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 09:40:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re:Xmas Comes Early, Timely Find...... In-Reply-To: <201112211146.pBLBbDAh009615@zxe.naks.com> References: <201112211146.pBLBbDAh009615@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <1324489222.64468.YahooMailNeo@web120702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> That's wonderful, Fred! Ironic you should mention that....just yesterday I dug out all my Xmas albums. I mean really old traditional stuff from the 50-60's. I was able to pick & choose for tape. Seems to be two types; heavy organ and choirs on the one hand and popular singers like Bing Crosby, Nat King Cole, Burl Ives and Mitch Miller on the other. I don't mind the old stuff at all, because no one really plays it anymore....sounds very fresh today. The RX-505 did a splendid job...Willy has the 700ZXL. Have a great Holidays! Kevin Message: 1 Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 14:13:20 -0800 (PST) From: "Fred S.C. Li" Subject: [naktalk] Xmas Comes Early, Timely Find...... To: Nakamichitechtalk Message-ID:     <1324332800.28761.YahooMailNeo at web122510.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Have been slowly going through my stash of music (tapes), some marked, mismarked, no markings (old Acco file folder labels fit perfectly on cassette box spines, except after many years they dry out and fall off)....... So pop in an un-marked maxell UD C 90 (unscratched box) and pleasantly surprised as music is Christmas music :>)..... not new but Christmas music that doesn't get played anymore....... I figure it's origins are from the RX-505 (RIP) recorded when it was new.  The music is off the radio, KNX 93, and probably a test recording on Type 1 cassette which would get recorded over except never did.  One thing for sure, it still sounds great and nice break from current Holiday fare.     Fred was in CA and now in CT -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mike.k.mitchell at boeing.com Wed Dec 21 19:47:25 2011 From: mike.k.mitchell at boeing.com (Mitchell, Mike K) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 10:47:25 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer Message-ID: Well the time has come. I want to transfer my tapes to my computer. How do I hook up my Nak 700 to the computer? Do I need special software? From fergus.cullen at gmail.com Wed Dec 21 20:37:50 2011 From: fergus.cullen at gmail.com (Fergus Cullen) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:37:50 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I use Pro-Tools to transfer analog to digital but there's no need to spend that much money. You should be able to buy a box (with a soundcard and phono ins) that goes to USB or firewire on your computer. The software will be included. Or if your computer has an audio input you might not need to buy anything at all.... http://www.macinstruct.com/node/131 Do you have a mac? Fergus On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Mitchell, Mike K < mike.k.mitchell at boeing.com> wrote: > Well the time has come. I want to transfer my tapes to my computer. How > do I hook up my Nak 700 to the computer? Do I need special software? > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mike.k.mitchell at boeing.com Wed Dec 21 21:34:47 2011 From: mike.k.mitchell at boeing.com (Mitchell, Mike K) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 12:34:47 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have a Dell laptop. I downloded Audacity, connected output from Nakamichi 700 deck to mic input on side of Dell but can not get it to work. ________________________________ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fergus Cullen Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 11:38 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer I use Pro-Tools to transfer analog to digital but there's no need to spend that much money. You should be able to buy a box (with a soundcard and phono ins) that goes to USB or firewire on your computer. The software will be included. Or if your computer has an audio input you might not need to buy anything at all.... http://www.macinstruct.com/node/131 Do you have a mac? Fergus On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Mitchell, Mike K > wrote: Well the time has come. I want to transfer my tapes to my computer. How do I hook up my Nak 700 to the computer? 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URL: From MarkH at Holaday.com Wed Dec 21 20:53:27 2011 From: MarkH at Holaday.com (Mark Hyer) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:53:27 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Transfer tapes to Computer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8FC5C461ECC29845BE528DE9CB523A5C059FB6@Z-Exchange10.hci.local> Mike, I recommend and use Audacity, a music capture program and it's free ware. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Mitchell, Mike K Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 12:47 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer Well the time has come. I want to transfer my tapes to my computer. How do I hook up my Nak 700 to the computer? Do I need special software? ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= **Warning** Any technical data is or may be controlled under the U.S. International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR) and may not be exported, released, or disclosed to foreign nationals without proper authorization by the U.S. Department of State.” “CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This electronic transmission, its contents and any attachments (hereinafter referred to collectively as “transmission”) are confidential and are solely directed to, and intended for, the named addressee(s) only. 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URL: From jphscott at mac.com Wed Dec 21 21:07:13 2011 From: jphscott at mac.com (Scotts at Hollybush) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 20:07:13 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: if you use a Mac, just download Audacity (freeware). Easy! Best is to use an outboard analogue>digital converter as the ones built into computers are very basic. All modern Macs have optical I/O ports. So, Nak>DAC>computer via Toslink optical cable. Not complicated, but it takes a lot of time! On 21 Dec 2011, at 18:47, Mitchell, Mike K wrote: > Well the time has come. I want to transfer my tapes to my computer. How do I hook up my Nak 700 to the computer? Do I need special software? > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From spacepup at hotmail.com Wed Dec 21 22:10:30 2011 From: spacepup at hotmail.com (Sean Reid) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 16:10:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer In-Reply-To: References: , , Message-ID: probably have to change your audio input source in Audacity... also, ensure you don't have the mic muted someplace From: mike.k.mitchell at boeing.com To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 12:34:47 -0800 Subject: RE: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer I have a Dell laptop. I downloded Audacity, connected output from Nakamichi 700 deck to mic input on side of Dell but can not get it to work. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fergus Cullen Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 11:38 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer I use Pro-Tools to transfer analog to digital but there's no need to spend that much money. You should be able to buy a box (with a soundcard and phono ins) that goes to USB or firewire on your computer. The software will be included. Or if your computer has an audio input you might not need to buy anything at all.... http://www.macinstruct.com/node/131 Do you have a mac? Fergus On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Mitchell, Mike K wrote: Well the time has come. I want to transfer my tapes to my computer. How do I hook up my Nak 700 to the computer? 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URL: From mark8559 at hotmail.com Thu Dec 22 02:43:55 2011 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 18:43:55 -0700 Subject: FW: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My two cents: I transfer my cassette tapes to an Onkyo DX-RD511 home audio CD recorder.One just sold on Ebay for a pretty hefty price: http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-ONKYO-DX-RD511-DUAL-TRAY-CD-PLAYER-CD-RECORDER-NEAR-MINT-CONDITION-/290639921775?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43ab7d426f I record on a Music CD-RW (rewritable CD, which I use over and over again). These sell for about $3 each and you only need one!(This insures me that my analog to digital recordings are recorded on a 'what I believe' is a high quality 'made in Japan' home stereo component.) Then I pop the CD recording into the computer and make a copy on a CD-R using Nero software (or Roxio Creator software). The CD-R's sell for $.10 - $.15 each.It's a great way to get that Nakamichi cassette sound onto a CD, really cheap! I play the CD's on a Pioneer Elite PD-F27 (made in Japan) 301 CD changer.One just sold on Ebay for a pretty hefty price: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pioneer-Elite-PD-F27-Compact-Disc-Jukebox-/250955473570?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a6e1ca2a2 Can't complain about the sound!(Still have a Nak OMS-7A and OMS-4A CD player.) > From: mike.k.mitchell at boeing.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 10:47:25 -0800 > Subject: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer > > Well the time has come. I want to transfer my tapes to my computer. How do I hook up my Nak 700 to the computer? Do I need special software? > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fergus.cullen at gmail.com Wed Dec 21 23:02:37 2011 From: fergus.cullen at gmail.com (Fergus Cullen) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 22:02:37 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I don't think the mic input will work for the signal from a cassette player. They're actually pretty lame inputs, good only for the kind of mic you use with Skype. Audicity is great but I think you probably need to get an external soundcard or some kind of phono box (not a pre-amp, just a phono to USB convertor) On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 8:34 PM, Mitchell, Mike K < mike.k.mitchell at boeing.com> wrote: > ** > I have a Dell laptop. I downloded Audacity, connected output from > Nakamichi 700 deck to mic input on side of Dell but can not get it to work. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *Fergus Cullen > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 21, 2011 11:38 AM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer > > I use Pro-Tools to transfer analog to digital but there's no need to spend > that much money. > You should be able to buy a box (with a soundcard and phono ins) that goes > to USB or firewire on your computer. > The software will be included. > > Or if your computer has an audio input you might not need to buy anything > at all.... > > http://www.macinstruct.com/node/131 > > Do you have a mac? > > Fergus > > > > > On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Mitchell, Mike K < > mike.k.mitchell at boeing.com> wrote: > >> Well the time has come. I want to transfer my tapes to my computer. 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I downloded Audacity, connected output from Nakamichi 700 deck to mic input on side of Dell but can not get it to work. ________________________________ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fergus Cullen Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 11:38 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer I use Pro-Tools to transfer analog to digital but there's no need to spend that much money. You should be able to buy a box (with a soundcard and phono ins) that goes to USB or firewire on your computer. The software will be included. Or if your computer has an audio input you might not need to buy anything at all.... http://www.macinstruct.com/node/131 Do you have a mac? Fergus On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Mitchell, Mike K > wrote: Well the time has come. I want to transfer my tapes to my computer. How do I hook up my Nak 700 to the computer? Do I need special software? ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= **Warning** Any technical data is or may be controlled under the U.S. International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR) and may not be exported, released, or disclosed to foreign nationals without proper authorization by the U.S. Department of State." "CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This electronic transmission, its contents and any attachments (hereinafter referred to collectively as "transmission") are confidential and are solely directed to, and intended for, the named addressee(s) only. 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On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 7:53 PM, thomas wrote: > I use an older version of this > http://www.xitel.com/USA/prod_inportpro.htm Thomas. > > --- On *Wed, 12/21/11, Mitchell, Mike K *wrote: > > > From: Mitchell, Mike K > > Subject: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer > To: "naktalk at naks.com" > Date: Wednesday, December 21, 2011, 1:47 PM > > > Well the time has come. I want to transfer my tapes to my computer. How > do I hook up my Nak 700 to the computer? 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From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fergus Cullen Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 11:38 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer I use Pro-Tools to transfer analog to digital but there's no need to spend that much money. You should be able to buy a box (with a soundcard and phono ins) that goes to USB or firewire on your computer. The software will be included. Or if your computer has an audio input you might not need to buy anything at all.... http://www.macinstruct.com/node/131 Do you have a mac? 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URL: From fergus.cullen at gmail.com Thu Dec 22 13:15:36 2011 From: fergus.cullen at gmail.com (Fergus Cullen) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 12:15:36 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer In-Reply-To: <8FC5C461ECC29845BE528DE9CB523A5C059FF9@Z-Exchange10.hci.local> References: <8FC5C461ECC29845BE528DE9CB523A5C059FF9@Z-Exchange10.hci.local> Message-ID: Markh-You just use the Mic in on your Dell? That works ok? On 22 Dec 2011 11:48, "Mark Hyer" wrote: > You may have to go into your sound settings and turn on/up the > microphone inputs. > > > > I have an old Dell 610 laptop I use with Audacity to capture my tapes and > burn to CD. I capture with a RCA outputs of the 700 into the audio input > of the Dell and capture the music with Audacity. I have used other programs > but prefer Audacity. > > > > > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *Mitchell, Mike K > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 21, 2011 2:35 PM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer > > > > I have a Dell laptop. I downloded Audacity, connected output from > Nakamichi 700 deck to mic input on side of Dell but can not get it to work. > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] > *On Behalf Of *Fergus Cullen > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 21, 2011 11:38 AM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer > > I use Pro-Tools to transfer analog to digital but there's no need to spend > that much money. > > You should be able to buy a box (with a soundcard and phono ins) that goes > to USB or firewire on your computer. > > The software will be included. > > > > Or if your computer has an audio input you might not need to buy anything > at all.... > > > > http://www.macinstruct.com/node/131 > > > > Do you have a mac? > > > > Fergus > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Mitchell, Mike K < > mike.k.mitchell at boeing.com> wrote: > > Well the time has come. I want to transfer my tapes to my computer. How > do I hook up my Nak 700 to the computer? Do I need special software? > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > **Warning** Any technical data is or may be controlled under the U.S. > International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR) and may not be exported, > released, or disclosed to foreign nationals without proper authorization by > the U.S. Department of State.” “CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This electronic > transmission, its contents and any attachments (hereinafter referred to > collectively as “transmission”) are confidential and are solely directed > to, and intended for, the named addressee(s) only. 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URL: From Tony.Gibson1 at uk.ibm.com Thu Dec 22 14:20:38 2011 From: Tony.Gibson1 at uk.ibm.com (Tony Gibson1) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 13:20:38 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer In-Reply-To: References: <1324497205.88338.YahooMailClassic@web80607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have two methods, First is CR4 to line input on an M-audio 2496 audiophile soundcard in a desktop PC. There is ample output from the CR4 for this input. I then use audacity to insert 3 second silences between the tracks and very occasionally take out the odd pop or crackle but mostly leave the waveform completely as is. I then output the signal via SPDIF to a Marantz DR6000 CD recorder which uses the spaces to increment the individual tracks. The second method is from the CR4 direct to the DR6000 which is a real fiddle to get the track seperation. I tried analogue outputs from the soundcard into the Dr6000 using the internal DAC of the Deck but could detect no difference in quality so opted for SPDIF because the levels are perfectly matched. It has to be said,most of these recordings are being kept more for sentimental reasons than quality ones. Recordings were done on a string of progressively better decks starting with a phillips portable in 1969. My first nak wasn't until 1981 and my sources were not up to the standard of the equipment i have today so even my best recordings are not quite up the mark. But they are a good indication of how my system sounded over the years Tony Gibson From: Fergus Cullen To: thomas36245-net at yahoo.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Date: 22/12/2011 12:28 Subject: Re: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer Sent by: naktalk-bounces at naks.com That's the kind of thing I'm talking about! On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 7:53 PM, thomas wrote: I use an older version of this http://www.xitel.com/USA/prod_inportpro.htm Thomas. --- On Wed, 12/21/11, Mitchell, Mike K wrote: From: Mitchell, Mike K Subject: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer To: "naktalk at naks.com" Date: Wednesday, December 21, 2011, 1:47 PM Well the time has come. I want to transfer my tapes to my computer. How do I hook up my Nak 700 to the computer? 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From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fergus Cullen Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 6:16 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer Markh-You just use the Mic in on your Dell? That works ok? On 22 Dec 2011 11:48, "Mark Hyer" > wrote: You may have to go into your sound settings and turn on/up the microphone inputs. I have an old Dell 610 laptop I use with Audacity to capture my tapes and burn to CD. I capture with a RCA outputs of the 700 into the audio input of the Dell and capture the music with Audacity. I have used other programs but prefer Audacity. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Mitchell, Mike K Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 2:35 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer I have a Dell laptop. I downloded Audacity, connected output from Nakamichi 700 deck to mic input on side of Dell but can not get it to work. ________________________________ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fergus Cullen Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 11:38 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer I use Pro-Tools to transfer analog to digital but there's no need to spend that much money. You should be able to buy a box (with a soundcard and phono ins) that goes to USB or firewire on your computer. The software will be included. Or if your computer has an audio input you might not need to buy anything at all.... http://www.macinstruct.com/node/131 Do you have a mac? Fergus On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Mitchell, Mike K > wrote: Well the time has come. I want to transfer my tapes to my computer. How do I hook up my Nak 700 to the computer? 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URL: From rkrause at multiplan.com.br Thu Dec 22 21:18:36 2011 From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 18:18:36 -0200 Subject: RES: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer In-Reply-To: <1324510362.38787.YahooMailClassic@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <1324510362.38787.YahooMailClassic@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC4042E16A7@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br> Hi Fergus, Great link and explanation as to how to use Audacity. I will now "dare" venture into using this software. Thank you all for being part of this forum. I am learning a lot!!!! Regards, Rodrigo Krause De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Bob Naylor Enviada em: quarta-feira, 21 de dezembro de 2011 21:33 Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Assunto: RE: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer Check all your sound card settings. 99% chance that's the problem. Bob N --- On Wed, 12/21/11, Mitchell, Mike K wrote: From: Mitchell, Mike K Subject: RE: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, December 21, 2011, 12:34 PM I have a Dell laptop. I downloded Audacity, connected output from Nakamichi 700 deck to mic input on side of Dell but can not get it to work. ________________________________ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fergus Cullen Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 11:38 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer I use Pro-Tools to transfer analog to digital but there's no need to spend that much money. You should be able to buy a box (with a soundcard and phono ins) that goes to USB or firewire on your computer. The software will be included. Or if your computer has an audio input you might not need to buy anything at all.... http://www.macinstruct.com/node/131 Do you have a mac? Fergus On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Mitchell, Mike K wrote: Well the time has come. I want to transfer my tapes to my computer. How do I hook up my Nak 700 to the computer? Do I need special software? ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes privilegiadas e/ou de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem autorizacao do remetente. Portanto, se voce recebeu esta mensagem por engano, por favor, nos informe respondendo imediatamente a este e-mail e em seguida apague-a. A empresa MULTIPLAN nao se responsabiliza por conclusoes, opinioes, ou outras informacoes nesta mensagem que nao se relacionem com sua linha de negocios. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rossnkiely at gmail.com Fri Dec 23 00:53:52 2011 From: rossnkiely at gmail.com (Ross Kiely) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 18:53:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer In-Reply-To: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC4042E16A7@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br> References: <1324510362.38787.YahooMailClassic@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC4042E16A7@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br> Message-ID: Check out the following: BERRINGER U-PHONO. Model UFO202. It's an audio interface with a built in pre-amp. that allows you to connect a turntable, Cassette player, etc. to a computers USB input for recording or playback. It costs about $35-39:00. I picked one up in a computer store in Toronto,Canada for $32.00cdn. there are a few others out there that do the same function. Hope this helps. On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Rodrigo Krause wrote: > Hi Fergus,**** > > ** ** > > Great link and explanation as to how to use Audacity. I will now “dare” > venture into using this software.**** > > Thank you all for being part of this forum. I am learning a lot!!!!**** > > Regards,**** > > ** ** > > Rodrigo Krause **** > > ** ** > > *De:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *Em nome > de *Bob Naylor > *Enviada em:* quarta-feira, 21 de dezembro de 2011 21:33 > *Para:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Assunto:* RE: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer**** > > ** ** > > Check all your sound card settings. 99% chance that's the problem.**** > > Bob N > > --- On *Wed, 12/21/11, Mitchell, Mike K *wrote: > **** > > > From: Mitchell, Mike K > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Wednesday, December 21, 2011, 12:34 PM**** > > I have a Dell laptop. I downloded Audacity, connected output from > Nakamichi 700 deck to mic input on side of Dell but can not get it to work. > **** > > ** ** > ------------------------------ > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *Fergus Cullen > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 21, 2011 11:38 AM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer**** > > I use Pro-Tools to transfer analog to digital but there's no need to spend > that much money. **** > > You should be able to buy a box (with a soundcard and phono ins) that goes > to USB or firewire on your computer.**** > > The software will be included.**** > > ** ** > > Or if your computer has an audio input you might not need to buy anything > at all....**** > > ** ** > > http://www.macinstruct.com/node/131**** > > ** ** > > Do you have a mac?**** > > ** ** > > Fergus**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Mitchell, Mike K < > mike.k.mitchell at boeing.com> > wrote:**** > > Well the time has come. I want to transfer my tapes to my computer. How > do I hook up my Nak 700 to the computer? 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URL: From spacepup at hotmail.com Fri Dec 23 05:16:51 2011 From: spacepup at hotmail.com (Sean Reid) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 23:16:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer In-Reply-To: References: , , , <8FC5C461ECC29845BE528DE9CB523A5C059FF9@Z-Exchange10.hci.local>, Message-ID: if you have a burner in your desktop, there is a far easier way to get proper track separation than manually inserting extra silence between tracks or manually splitting them in the wav editor program you transferred the cassette with. there is a GREAT freeware program called CDWave that allows you to insert track "markers" in the waveform itself, then splits the wave file you made from your cassette into individual tracks. it's very simple to use, and eliminates any unintended pops or clicks between tracks (which can occasionally happen when manually splitting them with wave editing programs, for no real apparent reason). if you're interested in trying this out, drop me a line and i'll send it to you. Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 12:15:36 +0000 Subject: RE: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer From: fergus.cullen at gmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Markh-You just use the Mic in on your Dell? That works ok? On 22 Dec 2011 11:48, "Mark Hyer" wrote: You may have to go into your sound settings and turn on/up the microphone inputs. I have an old Dell 610 laptop I use with Audacity to capture my tapes and burn to CD. I capture with a RCA outputs of the 700 into the audio input of the Dell and capture the music with Audacity. I have used other programs but prefer Audacity. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Mitchell, Mike K Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 2:35 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer I have a Dell laptop. I downloded Audacity, connected output from Nakamichi 700 deck to mic input on side of Dell but can not get it to work. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fergus Cullen Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 11:38 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer I use Pro-Tools to transfer analog to digital but there's no need to spend that much money. You should be able to buy a box (with a soundcard and phono ins) that goes to USB or firewire on your computer. The software will be included. Or if your computer has an audio input you might not need to buy anything at all.... http://www.macinstruct.com/node/131 Do you have a mac? Fergus On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Mitchell, Mike K wrote: Well the time has come. I want to transfer my tapes to my computer. How do I hook up my Nak 700 to the computer? Do I need special software? ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= **Warning** Any technical data is or may be controlled under the U.S. International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR) and may not be exported, released, or disclosed to foreign nationals without proper authorization by the U.S. Department of State.” “CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This electronic transmission, its contents and any attachments (hereinafter referred to collectively as “transmission”) are confidential and are solely directed to, and intended for, the named addressee(s) only. 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URL: From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Fri Dec 23 10:34:20 2011 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Benedikt Breiler Mikkelsen) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 10:34:20 +0100 Subject: RES: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer References: <1324510362.38787.YahooMailClassic@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC4042E16A7@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br> Message-ID: Hi Mike What you are doing is take a line level output signal from your NAK probably at 150-270mV into to a microphone level input on your computer. This will be too much unless you can turn the level down on the NAK, but you will battle noise as the signal will have to peak at no more than 10-20mV not to oversteer the microphone input. In the computer the signal will be needlessly amplified again. Usually someone bought a NAK to get the best sound possible, so why skimp now? Get yourself a USB soundcard with a dedicated analog line level input. It should be no problem picking up an older USB card such as the Creative Extigy or newer versions of it. This card will do basic 16bit 44.1/48kHz sampling. I have used one since about 2003 or so. I bought a TerraTec Aureon with a 5.25'' bay module for my desktop later on in may 2005, to do higher sampling frequencies. Today however you could possibly do better buying a dedicated USB soundcard for your laptop which may sample at 96kHz getting you the most of your NAKs quality. Please think about it. -Mikkel ----- Original meddelelse ----- > --- On Wed, 12/21/11, Mitchell, Mike K > wrote: > > > From: Mitchell, Mike K > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Wednesday, December 21, 2011, 12:34 PM > > I have a Dell laptop. I downloded Audacity, connected output from > Nakamichi 700 deck to mic input on side of Dell but can not get it > to > work. > > > > ________________________________ > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf Of Fergus Cullen > Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 11:38 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer > > I use Pro-Tools to transfer analog to digital but there's no need to > spend that much money. > > You should be able to buy a box (with a soundcard and phono ins) > that > goes to USB or firewire on your computer. > > The software will be included. > > > > Or if your computer has an audio input you might not need to buy > anything at all.... > > > > http://www.macinstruct.com/node/131 > > > > Do you have a mac? > > > > Fergus > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Mitchell, Mike K > wrote: > > Well the time has come. I want to transfer my tapes to my computer. > How do I hook up my Nak 700 to the computer? Do I need special > software? > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=== > ==== > == > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------=== > ==== > == > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------=== > ==== > == > > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=== > ==== > == > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------=== > ==== > == > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------=== > ==== > == > > > > > Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes > privilegiadas e/ou > de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem > autorizacao do > remetente. > > Portanto, se voce recebeu esta mensagem por engano, por favor, nos > informe > respondendo imediatamente a este e-mail e em seguida apague-a. > > A empresa MULTIPLAN nao se responsabiliza por conclusoes, opinioes, > ou outras > informacoes nesta mensagem que nao se relacionem com sua linha de > negocios. From rajivdallas at gmail.com Fri Dec 23 13:39:49 2011 From: rajivdallas at gmail.com (rajivdallas at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 12:39:49 +0000 Subject: RES: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer In-Reply-To: References: <1324510362.38787.YahooMailClassic@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC4042E16A7@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br> Message-ID: <740919612-1324643991-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1283332210-@b15.c7.bise6.blackberry> I can't believe we are discussing low tech alternatives when this is apparently an audiophile forum to discuss Nak decks which produced the finest cassette tape output possible...when you are high end on the analog front why go low end on the digital front? As the person below mentions - why skimp now?....get yourself a decent somewhat high end USB soundcard like the e-mu 0404 and capture 24/96 or even 24/192(which imo is overkill)... Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Mikkel Benedikt Breiler Mikkelsen Sender: naktalk-bounces at naks.com Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 10:34:20 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: RES: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer Hi Mike What you are doing is take a line level output signal from your NAK probably at 150-270mV into to a microphone level input on your computer. This will be too much unless you can turn the level down on the NAK, but you will battle noise as the signal will have to peak at no more than 10-20mV not to oversteer the microphone input. In the computer the signal will be needlessly amplified again. Usually someone bought a NAK to get the best sound possible, so why skimp now? Get yourself a USB soundcard with a dedicated analog line level input. It should be no problem picking up an older USB card such as the Creative Extigy or newer versions of it. This card will do basic 16bit 44.1/48kHz sampling. I have used one since about 2003 or so. I bought a TerraTec Aureon with a 5.25'' bay module for my desktop later on in may 2005, to do higher sampling frequencies. Today however you could possibly do better buying a dedicated USB soundcard for your laptop which may sample at 96kHz getting you the most of your NAKs quality. Please think about it. -Mikkel ----- Original meddelelse ----- > --- On Wed, 12/21/11, Mitchell, Mike K > wrote: > > > From: Mitchell, Mike K > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Wednesday, December 21, 2011, 12:34 PM > > I have a Dell laptop. I downloded Audacity, connected output from > Nakamichi 700 deck to mic input on side of Dell but can not get it > to > work. > > > > ________________________________ > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf Of Fergus Cullen > Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 11:38 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer > > I use Pro-Tools to transfer analog to digital but there's no need to > spend that much money. > > You should be able to buy a box (with a soundcard and phono ins) > that > goes to USB or firewire on your computer. > > The software will be included. > > > > Or if your computer has an audio input you might not need to buy > anything at all.... > > > > http://www.macinstruct.com/node/131 > > > > Do you have a mac? > > > > Fergus > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Mitchell, Mike K > wrote: > > Well the time has come. I want to transfer my tapes to my computer. > How do I hook up my Nak 700 to the computer? Do I need special > software? > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=== > ==== > == > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------=== > ==== > == > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------=== > ==== > == > > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=== > ==== > == > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------=== > ==== > == > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------=== > ==== > == > > > > > Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes > privilegiadas e/ou > de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem > autorizacao do > remetente. > > Portanto, se voce recebeu esta mensagem por engano, por favor, nos > informe > respondendo imediatamente a este e-mail e em seguida apague-a. > > A empresa MULTIPLAN nao se responsabiliza por conclusoes, opinioes, > ou outras > informacoes nesta mensagem que nao se relacionem com sua linha de > negocios. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rkrause at multiplan.com.br Fri Dec 23 17:28:55 2011 From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 14:28:55 -0200 Subject: Res: Re: RES: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer In-Reply-To: <740919612-1324643991-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1283332210-@b15.c7.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40338E50C@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br> I agree, Rajiv, but I haven't mustered the "courage" and time to learn how to use all the software that came with my Emu... Care to hand us a tutorial? Or at least a simple "how to" guide? I would really appreciate some help! Thank you in advance, Rodrigo Krause ----- Mensagem original ----- De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Enviada em: Fri Dec 23 10:39:49 2011 Assunto: Re: RES: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer I can't believe we are discussing low tech alternatives when this is apparently an audiophile forum to discuss Nak decks which produced the finest cassette tape output possible...when you are high end on the analog front why go low end on the digital front? As the person below mentions - why skimp now?....get yourself a decent somewhat high end USB soundcard like the e-mu 0404 and capture 24/96 or even 24/192(which imo is overkill)... Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Mikkel Benedikt Breiler Mikkelsen Sender: naktalk-bounces at naks.com Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 10:34:20 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: RES: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer Hi Mike What you are doing is take a line level output signal from your NAK probably at 150-270mV into to a microphone level input on your computer. This will be too much unless you can turn the level down on the NAK, but you will battle noise as the signal will have to peak at no more than 10-20mV not to oversteer the microphone input. In the computer the signal will be needlessly amplified again. Usually someone bought a NAK to get the best sound possible, so why skimp now? Get yourself a USB soundcard with a dedicated analog line level input. It should be no problem picking up an older USB card such as the Creative Extigy or newer versions of it. This card will do basic 16bit 44.1/48kHz sampling. I have used one since about 2003 or so. I bought a TerraTec Aureon with a 5.25'' bay module for my desktop later on in may 2005, to do higher sampling frequencies. Today however you could possibly do better buying a dedicated USB soundcard for your laptop which may sample at 96kHz getting you the most of your NAKs quality. Please think about it. -Mikkel ----- Original meddelelse ----- > --- On Wed, 12/21/11, Mitchell, Mike K > wrote: > > > From: Mitchell, Mike K > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Wednesday, December 21, 2011, 12:34 PM > > I have a Dell laptop. I downloded Audacity, connected output from > Nakamichi 700 deck to mic input on side of Dell but can not get it > to > work. > > > > ________________________________ > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf Of Fergus Cullen > Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 11:38 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer > > I use Pro-Tools to transfer analog to digital but there's no need to > spend that much money. > > You should be able to buy a box (with a soundcard and phono ins) > that > goes to USB or firewire on your computer. > > The software will be included. > > > > Or if your computer has an audio input you might not need to buy > anything at all.... > > > > http://www.macinstruct.com/node/131 > > > > Do you have a mac? > > > > Fergus > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Mitchell, Mike K > wrote: > > Well the time has come. I want to transfer my tapes to my computer. > How do I hook up my Nak 700 to the computer? Do I need special > software? > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=== > ==== > == > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------=== > ==== > == > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------=== > ==== > == > > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=== > ==== > == > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------=== > ==== > == > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------=== > ==== > == > > > > > Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes > privilegiadas e/ou > de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem > autorizacao do > remetente. > > Portanto, se voce recebeu esta mensagem por engano, por favor, nos > informe > respondendo imediatamente a este e-mail e em seguida apague-a. > > A empresa MULTIPLAN nao se responsabiliza por conclusoes, opinioes, > ou outras > informacoes nesta mensagem que nao se relacionem com sua linha de > negocios. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes privilegiadas e/ou de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem autorizacao do remetente. Portanto, se voce recebeu esta mensagem por engano, por favor, nos informe respondendo imediatamente a este e-mail e em seguida apague-a. A empresa MULTIPLAN nao se responsabiliza por conclusoes, opinioes, ou outras informacoes nesta mensagem que nao se relacionem com sua linha de negocios. From jeruff at yahoo.com Fri Dec 23 18:52:19 2011 From: jeruff at yahoo.com (jesse ruff) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 09:52:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Polaroid Chrome cassettes... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1324662739.88045.YahooMailClassic@web83703.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Please, let us know how they sound! --- On Thu, 12/22/11, Sean Reid wrote: From: Sean Reid Subject: [naktalk] Polaroid Chrome cassettes... To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, December 22, 2011, 11:26 PM just lettin you all know, i got in my order of these tapes.  if you guys want to see pics or have any questions, let me know :) -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adrian at mechner.net Fri Dec 23 19:15:54 2011 From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 10:15:54 -0800 Subject: RES: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer In-Reply-To: <740919612-1324643991-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1283332210-@b15.c7.bise6.blackberry> References: <1324510362.38787.YahooMailClassic@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC4042E16A7@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br> <740919612-1324643991-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1283332210-@b15.c7.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <003001ccc19e$e9b9c040$bd2d40c0$@net> You might want to take a look at this: http://us.store.creative.com/Creative-Sound-Blaster-XFi-HD-Sound/M/B004275EO 4.htm It has it all PLUS great headphone amp, Phono/RIAA stage +++ And a decent software. And most important (this is something they don't say in the description), if powered directly from a power outlet over a regular USB charger, it works as a standalone. It's great for late night LP listening or any other standalone application. Slick design. 24/96 114db. Merry Christmas to all, Adrian -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of rajivdallas at gmail.com Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 4:40 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: RES: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer I can't believe we are discussing low tech alternatives when this is apparently an audiophile forum to discuss Nak decks which produced the finest cassette tape output possible...when you are high end on the analog front why go low end on the digital front? As the person below mentions - why skimp now?....get yourself a decent somewhat high end USB soundcard like the e-mu 0404 and capture 24/96 or even 24/192(which imo is overkill)... Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Mikkel Benedikt Breiler Mikkelsen Sender: naktalk-bounces at naks.com Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 10:34:20 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: RES: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer Hi Mike What you are doing is take a line level output signal from your NAK probably at 150-270mV into to a microphone level input on your computer. This will be too much unless you can turn the level down on the NAK, but you will battle noise as the signal will have to peak at no more than 10-20mV not to oversteer the microphone input. In the computer the signal will be needlessly amplified again. Usually someone bought a NAK to get the best sound possible, so why skimp now? Get yourself a USB soundcard with a dedicated analog line level input. It should be no problem picking up an older USB card such as the Creative Extigy or newer versions of it. This card will do basic 16bit 44.1/48kHz sampling. I have used one since about 2003 or so. I bought a TerraTec Aureon with a 5.25'' bay module for my desktop later on in may 2005, to do higher sampling frequencies. Today however you could possibly do better buying a dedicated USB soundcard for your laptop which may sample at 96kHz getting you the most of your NAKs quality. Please think about it. -Mikkel ----- Original meddelelse ----- > --- On Wed, 12/21/11, Mitchell, Mike K > wrote: > > > From: Mitchell, Mike K > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Wednesday, December 21, 2011, 12:34 PM > > I have a Dell laptop. I downloded Audacity, connected output from > Nakamichi 700 deck to mic input on side of Dell but can not get it to > work. > > > > ________________________________ > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf Of Fergus Cullen > Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 11:38 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer > > I use Pro-Tools to transfer analog to digital but there's no need to > spend that much money. > > You should be able to buy a box (with a soundcard and phono ins) that > goes to USB or firewire on your computer. > > The software will be included. > > > > Or if your computer has an audio input you might not need to buy > anything at all.... > > > > http://www.macinstruct.com/node/131 > > > > Do you have a mac? > > > > Fergus > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Mitchell, Mike K > wrote: > > Well the time has come. I want to transfer my tapes to my computer. > How do I hook up my Nak 700 to the computer? Do I need special > software? > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=== > ==== > == > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------=== > ==== > == > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------=== > ==== > == > > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=== > ==== > == > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------=== > ==== > == > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------=== > ==== > == > > > > > Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes > privilegiadas e/ou de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser > retransmitida sem autorizacao do remetente. > > Portanto, se voce recebeu esta mensagem por engano, por favor, nos > informe respondendo imediatamente a este e-mail e em seguida apague-a. > > A empresa MULTIPLAN nao se responsabiliza por conclusoes, opinioes, ou > outras informacoes nesta mensagem que nao se relacionem com sua linha > de negocios. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Dec 24 01:32:42 2011 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 16:32:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: Res: Re: RES: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer In-Reply-To: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40338E50C@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br> References: <740919612-1324643991-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1283332210-@b15.c7.bise6.blackberry> <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40338E50C@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br> Message-ID: <1324686762.37884.YahooMailNeo@web112717.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Rajiv and friends, Ripping the Nakamichi output into a HDD is not low tech. Neither is sampling the output at 24bit/192Khz....however, Id do the 24/192Khz only for an LP output....not a Nak output, especially if I am not sure what the source was that the Nak recorded off. I have first hand experienced the fact that when sampled at 24/192,records do sound stupendous( better than any Nak IMHO), with extreme detail than when mastered in 16/96Khz. I would only use the higher sample rate if I knew the source of the Nak recording was an extremely good vinyl. Finally, I would, as cumbersome as it may be, love to just play the LPs and listen! Nothing beats that pure sound! Period. Ram. ________________________________ From: Rodrigo Krause To: rajivdallas at gmail.com; naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 11:28 AM Subject: Res: Re: RES: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer I agree, Rajiv, but I haven't mustered the "courage" and time to learn how to use all the software that came with my Emu... Care to hand us a tutorial? Or at least a simple "how to" guide? I would really appreciate some help! Thank you in advance, Rodrigo Krause ----- Mensagem original ----- De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Enviada em: Fri Dec 23 10:39:49 2011 Assunto: Re: RES: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer I can't believe we are discussing low tech alternatives when this is apparently an audiophile forum to discuss Nak decks which produced the finest cassette tape output possible...when you are high end on the analog front why go low end on the digital front? As the person below mentions - why skimp now?....get yourself a decent somewhat high end USB soundcard like the e-mu 0404 and capture 24/96 or even 24/192(which imo is overkill)... Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Mikkel Benedikt Breiler Mikkelsen Sender: naktalk-bounces at naks.com Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 10:34:20 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: RES: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer Hi Mike What you are doing is take a line level output signal from your NAK probably at 150-270mV into to a microphone level input on your computer. This will be too much unless you can turn the level down on the NAK, but you will battle noise as the signal will have to peak at no more than 10-20mV not to oversteer the microphone input. In the computer the signal will be needlessly amplified again. Usually someone bought a NAK to get the best sound possible, so why skimp now? Get yourself a USB soundcard with a dedicated analog line level input. It should be no problem picking up an older USB card such as the Creative Extigy or newer versions of it. This card will do basic 16bit 44.1/48kHz sampling. I have used one since about 2003 or so. I bought a TerraTec Aureon with a 5.25'' bay module for my desktop later on in may 2005, to do higher sampling frequencies. Today however you could possibly do better buying a dedicated USB soundcard for your laptop which may sample at 96kHz getting you the most of your NAKs quality. Please think about it. -Mikkel ----- Original meddelelse ----- > --- On Wed, 12/21/11, Mitchell, Mike K > wrote: > > > From: Mitchell, Mike K > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Wednesday, December 21, 2011, 12:34 PM > > I have a Dell laptop. I downloded Audacity, connected output from > Nakamichi 700 deck to mic input on side of Dell but can not get it > to > work. > > > > ________________________________ > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf Of Fergus Cullen > Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 11:38 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer > > I use Pro-Tools to transfer analog to digital but there's no need to > spend that much money. > > You should be able to buy a box (with a soundcard and phono ins) > that > goes to USB or firewire on your computer. > > The software will be included. > > > > Or if your computer has an audio input you might not need to buy > anything at all.... > > > > http://www.macinstruct.com/node/131 > > > > Do you have a mac? > > > > Fergus > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Mitchell, Mike K > wrote: > > Well the time has come.  I want to transfer my tapes to my computer. > How do I hook up my Nak 700 to the computer?  Do I need special > software? > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=== > ==== > == >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------=== > ==== > == >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------=== > ==== > == > > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=== > ==== > == >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------=== > ==== > == >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------=== > ==== > == > > > > > Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes > privilegiadas e/ou > de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem > autorizacao do > remetente. > > Portanto, se voce recebeu esta mensagem por  engano, por favor, nos > informe > respondendo imediatamente a este e-mail e em seguida apague-a. > > A empresa MULTIPLAN nao se responsabiliza por conclusoes, opinioes, > ou outras > informacoes nesta mensagem que nao se relacionem com sua linha de > negocios. ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes privilegiadas e/ou de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem autorizacao do remetente. 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URL: From rhils at hotmail.com Sat Dec 24 03:59:29 2011 From: rhils at hotmail.com (Rick Hils) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 18:59:29 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer In-Reply-To: <1324686762.37884.YahooMailNeo@web112717.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <740919612-1324643991-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1283332210-@b15.c7.bise6.blackberry>, <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40338E50C@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br>, <1324686762.37884.YahooMailNeo@web112717.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello, I used my EMU audio card to record at 24/96. Last year, I transferred a few of my friend's cassette tapes to cd for him. He couldn't believe how clear and nice the new cd sounded. He never, ever, heard it sound as good. I did it using a NAK 480. I set my EMU audio to record at 24/96. Later, of course, the cd conversion did convert that down to 16 bit/44.1k. Recording at 24 bit gives you a really low digital noise floor, so you can be less finicky about setting the levels. You can adjust them later to "normalize" the wave file. Recording digital too low at 16 bit can reveal the resolution limitations of 16 bit. I'll always keep my decades old tape collection (many done using UDXLII and HD-8) because I like them. I just happen to like digital as well. Thanks for listening. -Rick Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 16:32:42 -0800 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Subject: Re: Res: Re: RES: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer To: naktalk at naks.com Hi Rajiv and friends, Ripping the Nakamichi output into a HDD is not low tech. Neither is sampling the output at 24bit/192Khz....however, Id do the 24/192Khz only for an LP output....nota Nak output, especially if I am not sure what the source was that the Nak recorded off. I have first hand experienced the fact that when sampled at 24/192,records do sound stupendous( better than any Nak IMHO), with extreme detail than when mastered in 16/96Khz. I would only use the higher sample rate if I knew the source of the Nak recording was an extremely good vinyl. Finally, I would, as cumbersome as it may be, love to just play the LPs and listen! Nothing beats that pure sound! Period. Ram. From: Rodrigo Krause To: rajivdallas at gmail.com; naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 11:28 AM Subject: Res: Re: RES: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer I agree, Rajiv, but I haven't mustered the "courage" and time to learn how to use all the software that came with my Emu... Care to hand us a tutorial? Or at least a simple "how to" guide? I would really appreciate some help! Thank you in advance, Rodrigo Krause ----- Mensagem original ----- De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Enviada em: Fri Dec 23 10:39:49 2011 Assunto: Re: RES: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer I can't believe we are discussing low tech alternatives when this is apparently an audiophile forum to discuss Nak decks which produced the finest cassette tape output possible...when you are high end on the analog front why go low end on the digital front? As the person below mentions - why skimp now?....get yourself a decent somewhat high end USB soundcard like the e-mu 0404 and capture 24/96 or even 24/192(which imo is overkill)... ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rajivdallas at gmail.com Sat Dec 24 04:12:33 2011 From: rajivdallas at gmail.com (rajivdallas at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 03:12:33 +0000 Subject: Res: Re: RES: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer In-Reply-To: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40338E50C@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br> References: <740919612-1324643991-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1283332210-@b15.c7.bise6.blackberry> <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40338E50C@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br> Message-ID: <404301730-1324696357-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1517272373-@b15.c7.bise6.blackberry> I can create a tutorial of sorts but that will have to wait as I am currently vacationing in India...will be back in early Jan when I can help out. Though the usage of the software is quite intuitive...and the fun is making mistakes and learning from it :-) And Ram is right - capturing tapes in 24/96 is fine as you cannot get anything more (gawd I have had animated discussions over some forums about this matter and people proved to me that 24/96 was the most...some even said 16/48 or DAT quality was adequate for tapes) but 24/192 for vinyl sounds amazing...I have few rips done by some dedicated audiophiles of 180g vinyl done from the first play of LP's and they are astounding...LP's like Miles Davis' Bitches Brew come to mind... Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "Rodrigo Krause" Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 14:28:55 To: ; Subject: Res: Re: RES: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer I agree, Rajiv, but I haven't mustered the "courage" and time to learn how to use all the software that came with my Emu... Care to hand us a tutorial? Or at least a simple "how to" guide? I would really appreciate some help! Thank you in advance, Rodrigo Krause ----- Mensagem original ----- De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Enviada em: Fri Dec 23 10:39:49 2011 Assunto: Re: RES: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer I can't believe we are discussing low tech alternatives when this is apparently an audiophile forum to discuss Nak decks which produced the finest cassette tape output possible...when you are high end on the analog front why go low end on the digital front? As the person below mentions - why skimp now?....get yourself a decent somewhat high end USB soundcard like the e-mu 0404 and capture 24/96 or even 24/192(which imo is overkill)... Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Mikkel Benedikt Breiler Mikkelsen Sender: naktalk-bounces at naks.com Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 10:34:20 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: RES: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer Hi Mike What you are doing is take a line level output signal from your NAK probably at 150-270mV into to a microphone level input on your computer. This will be too much unless you can turn the level down on the NAK, but you will battle noise as the signal will have to peak at no more than 10-20mV not to oversteer the microphone input. In the computer the signal will be needlessly amplified again. Usually someone bought a NAK to get the best sound possible, so why skimp now? Get yourself a USB soundcard with a dedicated analog line level input. It should be no problem picking up an older USB card such as the Creative Extigy or newer versions of it. This card will do basic 16bit 44.1/48kHz sampling. I have used one since about 2003 or so. I bought a TerraTec Aureon with a 5.25'' bay module for my desktop later on in may 2005, to do higher sampling frequencies. Today however you could possibly do better buying a dedicated USB soundcard for your laptop which may sample at 96kHz getting you the most of your NAKs quality. Please think about it. -Mikkel ----- Original meddelelse ----- > --- On Wed, 12/21/11, Mitchell, Mike K > wrote: > > > From: Mitchell, Mike K > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Wednesday, December 21, 2011, 12:34 PM > > I have a Dell laptop. I downloded Audacity, connected output from > Nakamichi 700 deck to mic input on side of Dell but can not get it > to > work. > > > > ________________________________ > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf Of Fergus Cullen > Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 11:38 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer > > I use Pro-Tools to transfer analog to digital but there's no need to > spend that much money. > > You should be able to buy a box (with a soundcard and phono ins) > that > goes to USB or firewire on your computer. > > The software will be included. > > > > Or if your computer has an audio input you might not need to buy > anything at all.... > > > > http://www.macinstruct.com/node/131 > > > > Do you have a mac? > > > > Fergus > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Mitchell, Mike K > wrote: > > Well the time has come. I want to transfer my tapes to my computer. > How do I hook up my Nak 700 to the computer? Do I need special > software? > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=== > ==== > == > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------=== > ==== > == > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------=== > ==== > == > > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=== > ==== > == > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------=== > ==== > == > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------=== > ==== > == > > > > > Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes > privilegiadas e/ou > de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem > autorizacao do > remetente. > > Portanto, se voce recebeu esta mensagem por engano, por favor, nos > informe > respondendo imediatamente a este e-mail e em seguida apague-a. > > A empresa MULTIPLAN nao se responsabiliza por conclusoes, opinioes, > ou outras > informacoes nesta mensagem que nao se relacionem com sua linha de > negocios. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes privilegiadas e/ou de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem autorizacao do remetente. Portanto, se voce recebeu esta mensagem por engano, por favor, nos informe respondendo imediatamente a este e-mail e em seguida apague-a. A empresa MULTIPLAN nao se responsabiliza por conclusoes, opinioes, ou outras informacoes nesta mensagem que nao se relacionem com sua linha de negocios. From emberphoto at hotmail.com Sat Dec 24 23:28:32 2011 From: emberphoto at hotmail.com (Steve Ember) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 17:28:32 -0500 Subject: Res: Re: RES: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer In-Reply-To: <1324686762.37884.YahooMailNeo@web112717.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <740919612-1324643991-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1283332210-@b15.c7.bise6.blackberry>, <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40338E50C@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br>, <1324686762.37884.YahooMailNeo@web112717.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Wow - A point I do not recall seeing in previous posts! None can deny the great convenience of digitizing one's collection of prized vinyl and Nak-recorded tapes. But doesn't Ram make a good point about the delights of listening to the "original!" Just dimming the lights (except, perhaps, for the little lamp that illuminates the turntable...the tactile experience of gently lowering the stylus onto the turning disc...and letting it all "sing" both aurally...and visually. Ditto, inserting that precious cassette into the back-lit well of one's Nak, and watching it "ooze" along at just 1-7/8 ips yet produce such glorious sound, as the bar graph display - or the "real" meters - follow along. Ahhhh..... Holiday Greetings to all, Steve Ember Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 16:32:42 -0800 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Subject: Re: Res: Re: RES: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer To: naktalk at naks.com Hi Rajiv and friends, Ripping the Nakamichi output into a HDD is not low tech. Neither is sampling the output at 24bit/192Khz....however, Id do the 24/192Khz only for an LP output....nota Nak output, especially if I am not sure what the source was that the Nak recorded off. I have first hand experienced the fact that when sampled at 24/192,records do sound stupendous( better than any Nak IMHO), with extreme detail than when mastered in 16/96Khz. I would only use the higher sample rate if I knew the source of the Nak recording was an extremely good vinyl. Finally, I would, as cumbersome as it may be, love to just play the LPs and listen! Nothing beats that pure sound! Period. Ram. From: Rodrigo Krause To: rajivdallas at gmail.com; naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 11:28 AM Subject: Res: Re: RES: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer I agree, Rajiv, but I haven't mustered the "courage" and time to learn how to use all the software that came with my Emu... Care to hand us a tutorial? Or at least a simple "how to" guide? I would really appreciate some help! Thank you in advance, Rodrigo Krause ----- Mensagem original ----- De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Enviada em: Fri Dec 23 10:39:49 2011 Assunto: Re: RES: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer I can't believe we are discussing low tech alternatives when this is apparently an audiophile forum to discuss Nak decks which produced the finest cassette tape output possible...when you are high end on the analog front why go low end on the digital front? As the person below mentions - why skimp now?....get yourself a decent somewhat high end USB soundcard like the e-mu 0404 and capture 24/96 or even 24/192(which imo is overkill)... Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Mikkel Benedikt Breiler Mikkelsen Sender: naktalk-bounces at naks.com Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 10:34:20 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: RES: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer Hi Mike What you are doing is take a line level output signal from your NAK probably at 150-270mV into to a microphone level input on your computer. This will be too much unless you can turn the level down on the NAK, but you will battle noise as the signal will have to peak at no more than 10-20mV not to oversteer the microphone input. In the computer the signal will be needlessly amplified again. Usually someone bought a NAK to get the best sound possible, so why skimp now? Get yourself a USB soundcard with a dedicated analog line level input. It should be no problem picking up an older USB card such as the Creative Extigy or newer versions of it. This card will do basic 16bit 44.1/48kHz sampling. I have used one since about 2003 or so. I bought a TerraTec Aureon with a 5.25'' bay module for my desktop later on in may 2005, to do higher sampling frequencies. Today however you could possibly do better buying a dedicated USB soundcard for your laptop which may sample at 96kHz getting you the most of your NAKs quality. Please think about it. -Mikkel ----- Original meddelelse ----- > --- On Wed, 12/21/11, Mitchell, Mike K > wrote: > > > From: Mitchell, Mike K > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Wednesday, December 21, 2011, 12:34 PM > > I have a Dell laptop. I downloded Audacity, connected output from > Nakamichi 700 deck to mic input on side of Dell but can not get it > to > work. > > > > ________________________________ > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf Of Fergus Cullen > Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 11:38 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer > > I use Pro-Tools to transfer analog to digital but there's no need to > spend that much money. > > You should be able to buy a box (with a soundcard and phono ins) > that > goes to USB or firewire on your computer. > > The software will be included. > > > > Or if your computer has an audio input you might not need to buy > anything at all.... > > > > http://www.macinstruct.com/node/131 > > > > Do you have a mac? > > > > Fergus > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Mitchell, Mike K > wrote: > > Well the time has come. I want to transfer my tapes to my computer. > How do I hook up my Nak 700 to the computer? Do I need special > software? > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=== > ==== > == > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------=== > ==== > == > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------=== > ==== > == > > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=== > ==== > == > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------=== > ==== > == > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------=== > ==== > == > > > > > Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes > privilegiadas e/ou > de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem > autorizacao do > remetente. > > Portanto, se voce recebeu esta mensagem por engano, por favor, nos > informe > respondendo imediatamente a este e-mail e em seguida apague-a. > > A empresa MULTIPLAN nao se responsabiliza por conclusoes, opinioes, > ou outras > informacoes nesta mensagem que nao se relacionem com sua linha de > negocios. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes privilegiadas e/ou de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem autorizacao do remetente. 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URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Sun Dec 25 00:44:36 2011 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 15:44:36 -0800 Subject: Res: Re: RES: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer In-Reply-To: References: <740919612-1324643991-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1283332210-@b15.c7.bise6.blackberry> <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40338E50C@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br> <1324686762.37884.YahooMailNeo@web112717.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: High tech, high touch . . . a la John Naisbitt. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Steve Ember wrote: > Wow - A point I do not recall seeing in previous posts! > > None can deny the great convenience of digitizing one's collection of > prized vinyl and Nak-recorded tapes. > > But doesn't Ram make a good point about the delights of listening to the > "original!" Just dimming the lights (except, perhaps, for the little lamp > that illuminates the turntable...the tactile experience of gently lowering > the stylus onto the turning disc...and letting it all "sing" both > aurally...and visually. > > Ditto, inserting that precious cassette into the back-lit well of one's > Nak, and watching it "ooze" along at just 1-7/8 ips yet produce such > glorious sound, as the bar graph display - or the "real" meters - follow > along. > > Ahhhh..... > > Holiday Greetings to all, > > Steve Ember > > > ------------------------------ > Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 16:32:42 -0800 > From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com > Subject: Re: Res: Re: RES: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Hi Rajiv and friends, > > Ripping the Nakamichi output into a HDD is not low tech. Neither is > sampling the output at 24bit/192Khz....however, Id do the 24/192Khz only > for an LP output....not > a Nak output, especially if I am not sure what the source was that the Nak > recorded off. > > I have first hand experienced the fact that when sampled at 24/192,records > do sound stupendous( better than any Nak IMHO), with extreme detail than > when mastered in 16/96Khz. > > I would only use the higher sample rate if I knew the source of the Nak > recording was an extremely good vinyl. > > Finally, I would, as cumbersome as it may be, love to just play the LPs > and listen! Nothing beats that pure sound! Period. > > Ram. > ------------------------------ > *From:* Rodrigo Krause > *To:* rajivdallas at gmail.com; naktalk at naks.com > *Sent:* Friday, December 23, 2011 11:28 AM > *Subject:* Res: Re: RES: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer > > I agree, Rajiv, but I haven't mustered the "courage" and time to learn how > to use all the software that came with my Emu... Care to hand us a > tutorial? Or at least a simple "how to" guide? > I would really appreciate some help! > Thank you in advance, > Rodrigo Krause > > ----- Mensagem original ----- > De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Enviada em: Fri Dec 23 10:39:49 2011 > Assunto: Re: RES: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer > > I can't believe we are discussing low tech alternatives when this is > apparently an audiophile forum to discuss Nak decks which produced the > finest cassette tape output possible...when you are high end on the analog > front why go low end on the digital front? > > As the person below mentions - why skimp now?....get yourself a decent > somewhat high end USB soundcard like the e-mu 0404 and capture 24/96 or > even 24/192(which imo is overkill)... > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mikkel Benedikt Breiler Mikkelsen > Sender: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 10:34:20 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: RES: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer > > Hi Mike > > What you are doing is take a line level output signal from your NAK > probably at 150-270mV into to a microphone level input on your computer. > This will be too much unless you can turn the level down on the NAK, but > you will battle noise as the signal will have to peak at no more than > 10-20mV not to oversteer the microphone input. In the computer the signal > will be needlessly amplified again. > Usually someone bought a NAK to get the best sound possible, so why skimp > now? > > Get yourself a USB soundcard with a dedicated analog line level input. It > should be no problem picking up an older USB card such as the Creative > Extigy or newer versions of it. This card will do basic 16bit 44.1/48kHz > sampling. > I have used one since about 2003 or so. I bought a TerraTec Aureon with a > 5.25'' bay module for my desktop later on in may 2005, to do higher > sampling frequencies. > > Today however you could possibly do better buying a dedicated USB > soundcard for your laptop which may sample at 96kHz getting you the most of > your NAKs quality. > > Please think about it. > > -Mikkel > > ----- Original meddelelse ----- > > --- On Wed, 12/21/11, Mitchell, Mike K > > wrote: > > > > > > From: Mitchell, Mike K > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Date: Wednesday, December 21, 2011, 12:34 PM > > > > I have a Dell laptop. I downloded Audacity, connected output from > > Nakamichi 700 deck to mic input on side of Dell but can not get it > > to > > work. > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > > Behalf Of Fergus Cullen > > Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 11:38 AM > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer > > > > I use Pro-Tools to transfer analog to digital but there's no need to > > spend that much money. > > > > You should be able to buy a box (with a soundcard and phono ins) > > that > > goes to USB or firewire on your computer. > > > > The software will be included. > > > > > > > > Or if your computer has an audio input you might not need to buy > > anything at all.... > > > > > > > > http://www.macinstruct.com/node/131 > > > > > > > > Do you have a mac? > > > > > > > > Fergus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Mitchell, Mike K > > wrote: > > > > Well the time has come. I want to transfer my tapes to my computer. > > How do I hook up my Nak 700 to the computer? Do I need special > > software? > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=== > > ==== > > == > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=== > > ==== > > == > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=== > > ==== > > == > > > > > > > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=== > > ==== > > == > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=== > > ==== > > == > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=== > > ==== > > == > > > > > > > > > > Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes > > privilegiadas e/ou > > de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem > > autorizacao do > > remetente. > > > > Portanto, se voce recebeu esta mensagem por engano, por favor, nos > > informe > > respondendo imediatamente a este e-mail e em seguida apague-a. > > > > A empresa MULTIPLAN nao se responsabiliza por conclusoes, opinioes, > > ou outras > > informacoes nesta mensagem que nao se relacionem com sua linha de > > negocios. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes > privilegiadas e/ou > de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem autorizacao do > remetente. > > Portanto, se voce recebeu esta mensagem por engano, por favor, nos informe > respondendo imediatamente a este e-mail e em seguida apague-a. > > A empresa MULTIPLAN nao se responsabiliza por conclusoes, opinioes, ou > outras > informacoes nesta mensagem que nao se relacionem com sua linha de negocios. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fred at marrscom.com Sun Dec 25 13:32:00 2011 From: fred at marrscom.com (Fred Marrs) Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 06:32:00 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] HAPPY HOLIDAYS Message-ID: <4EF717C0.5080800@marrscom.com> 12-25-11 HAPPY HOLIDAYS FROM MARRS COMMUNICATIONS ! From fergus.cullen at gmail.com Sun Dec 25 21:02:40 2011 From: fergus.cullen at gmail.com (Fergus Cullen) Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 20:02:40 +0000 Subject: Res: Re: RES: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer In-Reply-To: References: <740919612-1324643991-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1283332210-@b15.c7.bise6.blackberry> <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40338E50C@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br> <1324686762.37884.YahooMailNeo@web112717.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: A friend of mine has a very impressive set-up for transferring analogue recordings to digital. He explains the whole process well and incorporates a Nak deck so it might of interest some of you... http://mysite.verizon.net/hal.bower/music.htm Merry Christmas Fergus On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 11:44 PM, Fred Longworth < classicaudiorepair at gmail.com> wrote: > High tech, high touch . . . a la John Naisbitt. > > Fred > Classic Audio Repair > www.repairaudio.com > > > On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Steve Ember wrote: > >> Wow - A point I do not recall seeing in previous posts! >> >> None can deny the great convenience of digitizing one's collection of >> prized vinyl and Nak-recorded tapes. >> >> But doesn't Ram make a good point about the delights of listening to the >> "original!" Just dimming the lights (except, perhaps, for the little lamp >> that illuminates the turntable...the tactile experience of gently lowering >> the stylus onto the turning disc...and letting it all "sing" both >> aurally...and visually. >> >> Ditto, inserting that precious cassette into the back-lit well of one's >> Nak, and watching it "ooze" along at just 1-7/8 ips yet produce such >> glorious sound, as the bar graph display - or the "real" meters - follow >> along. >> >> Ahhhh..... >> >> Holiday Greetings to all, >> >> Steve Ember >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 16:32:42 -0800 >> From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com >> Subject: Re: Res: Re: RES: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> >> Hi Rajiv and friends, >> >> Ripping the Nakamichi output into a HDD is not low tech. Neither is >> sampling the output at 24bit/192Khz....however, Id do the 24/192Khz only >> for an LP output....not >> a Nak output, especially if I am not sure what the source was that the >> Nak recorded off. >> >> I have first hand experienced the fact that when sampled at >> 24/192,records do sound stupendous( better than any Nak IMHO), with extreme >> detail than when mastered in 16/96Khz. >> >> I would only use the higher sample rate if I knew the source of the Nak >> recording was an extremely good vinyl. >> >> Finally, I would, as cumbersome as it may be, love to just play the LPs >> and listen! Nothing beats that pure sound! Period. >> >> Ram. >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Rodrigo Krause >> *To:* rajivdallas at gmail.com; naktalk at naks.com >> *Sent:* Friday, December 23, 2011 11:28 AM >> *Subject:* Res: Re: RES: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer >> >> I agree, Rajiv, but I haven't mustered the "courage" and time to learn >> how to use all the software that came with my Emu... Care to hand us a >> tutorial? Or at least a simple "how to" guide? >> I would really appreciate some help! >> Thank you in advance, >> Rodrigo Krause >> >> ----- Mensagem original ----- >> De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >> Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Enviada em: Fri Dec 23 10:39:49 2011 >> Assunto: Re: RES: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer >> >> I can't believe we are discussing low tech alternatives when this is >> apparently an audiophile forum to discuss Nak decks which produced the >> finest cassette tape output possible...when you are high end on the analog >> front why go low end on the digital front? >> >> As the person below mentions - why skimp now?....get yourself a decent >> somewhat high end USB soundcard like the e-mu 0404 and capture 24/96 or >> even 24/192(which imo is overkill)... >> >> >> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Mikkel Benedikt Breiler Mikkelsen >> Sender: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >> Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 10:34:20 >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: RES: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer >> >> Hi Mike >> >> What you are doing is take a line level output signal from your NAK >> probably at 150-270mV into to a microphone level input on your computer. >> This will be too much unless you can turn the level down on the NAK, but >> you will battle noise as the signal will have to peak at no more than >> 10-20mV not to oversteer the microphone input. In the computer the signal >> will be needlessly amplified again. >> Usually someone bought a NAK to get the best sound possible, so why skimp >> now? >> >> Get yourself a USB soundcard with a dedicated analog line level input. It >> should be no problem picking up an older USB card such as the Creative >> Extigy or newer versions of it. This card will do basic 16bit 44.1/48kHz >> sampling. >> I have used one since about 2003 or so. I bought a TerraTec Aureon with a >> 5.25'' bay module for my desktop later on in may 2005, to do higher >> sampling frequencies. >> >> Today however you could possibly do better buying a dedicated USB >> soundcard for your laptop which may sample at 96kHz getting you the most of >> your NAKs quality. >> >> Please think about it. >> >> -Mikkel >> >> ----- Original meddelelse ----- >> > --- On Wed, 12/21/11, Mitchell, Mike K >> > wrote: >> > >> > >> > From: Mitchell, Mike K >> > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer >> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> > Date: Wednesday, December 21, 2011, 12:34 PM >> > >> > I have a Dell laptop. I downloded Audacity, connected output from >> > Nakamichi 700 deck to mic input on side of Dell but can not get it >> > to >> > work. >> > >> > >> > >> > ________________________________ >> > >> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >> > Behalf Of Fergus Cullen >> > Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 11:38 AM >> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Transfer tapes to Computer >> > >> > I use Pro-Tools to transfer analog to digital but there's no need to >> > spend that much money. >> > >> > You should be able to buy a box (with a soundcard and phono ins) >> > that >> > goes to USB or firewire on your computer. >> > >> > The software will be included. >> > >> > >> > >> > Or if your computer has an audio input you might not need to buy >> > anything at all.... >> > >> > >> > >> > http://www.macinstruct.com/node/131 >> > >> > >> > >> > Do you have a mac? >> > >> > >> > >> > Fergus >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Mitchell, Mike K >> > wrote: >> > >> > Well the time has come. I want to transfer my tapes to my computer. >> > How do I hook up my Nak 700 to the computer? 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In-Reply-To: <1324662739.88045.YahooMailClassic@web83703.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: , <1324662739.88045.YahooMailClassic@web83703.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: because "how they sound" is kind of a personal thing, here's what i did: 1. ripped a track to wav using EAC... the track being "The Greatest View" by Silverchair.2. recorded the same track to one of the Polaroid blanks (used my Denon DN-790R for the job, as I'm very familiar with it and happy with the recordings it makes), using Dolby B for recording and playback3. digitized the recording I made to the cassette, running it through my M-Audio Audiophile 2496 soundcard, into Cool Edit Pro4. ran frequency analysis on both wav files that were created i combined screen captures of both frequency analyses, which can be viewed here: http://s667.photobucket.com/albums/vv31/jobriathboy/polaroid%20cassette/?action=view¤t=comparedanalysis.jpg thought it was the most objective way to show results. let me know what you think :) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 09:52:19 -0800 From: jeruff at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Polaroid Chrome cassettes... To: naktalk at naks.com Please, let us know how they sound! --- On Thu, 12/22/11, Sean Reid wrote: From: Sean Reid Subject: [naktalk] Polaroid Chrome cassettes... To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, December 22, 2011, 11:26 PM just lettin you all know, i got in my order of these tapes. if you guys want to see pics or have any questions, let me know :) -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: TD700 Service Manual.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 9981069 bytes Desc: not available URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 29 23:53:46 2011 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 14:53:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] TD-500 Service manual In-Reply-To: <000a01ccc5b0$fe3eb460$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> References: <000a01ccc5b0$fe3eb460$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Message-ID: <1325199226.39850.YahooMailNeo@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The radio clock display board are different between the TD-500 and the TD-700.  The TD-700 has an extra button on the board.  ________________________________ From: Rainer & Joy-Ell To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 2:35 PM Subject: [naktalk] TD-500 Service manual Does anyone know where I can download a service manual for TD-500 (car deck)  Working on a TD-700 and want to know what parts are the same in particular the clock/radio LCD display.  Thanks, and hope everyone has a happy new year!   Rainer ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 9.0.0.898, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.18940) http://www.pctools.com/?cclick=EmailFooterClean_51 ======= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2011\2011-February.txt.txt ************************************************************************ From jgreenb2 at mac.com Tue Feb 1 02:43:02 2011 From: jgreenb2 at mac.com (Jeff Greenberg) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 20:43:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR7A Reel Motor Removal! Message-ID: <4515EC2E-3732-4687-8EFE-9616EDFE2D6E@mac.com> I'm trying to remove the reel motor from my CR7A for repair and I've reached an impasse. Hope some of you can help! Here's a picture of the transport: http://gallery.me.com/jgreenb2#100078/IMG_0089&bgcolor=black As you can see, the transport has been removed and the reel motor is exposed. However, my copy of the service manual is missing the right half of figure 6.5. That's exactly the portion that shows the reel motor assembly! So I'm stuck -- I don't want to do any harm by exploring and it's not obvious how to get the motor detached from the transport. Thanks in advance for any advice!! -- Jeff From ronami at yahoo.com Tue Feb 1 15:51:25 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 06:51:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR7A Reel Motor Removal! In-Reply-To: <4515EC2E-3732-4687-8EFE-9616EDFE2D6E@mac.com> References: <4515EC2E-3732-4687-8EFE-9616EDFE2D6E@mac.com> Message-ID: <210869.72046.qm@web130105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jeff, A long time ago (late 1008/early 2009 time frame) I wrote step by step instructions for replacing the CR-7 reel motor without removal of the transport. Name of the thread was something like 'The CR-7A reel motor'. If you search the NakTalk archive you may be able to find it. Sorry, I never kept a copy. -- Ron ________________________________ From: Jeff Greenberg To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Mon, January 31, 2011 8:43:02 PM Subject: [naktalk] CR7A Reel Motor Removal! I'm trying to remove the reel motor from my CR7A for repair and I've reached an impasse. Hope some of you can help! Here's a picture of the transport: http://gallery.me.com/jgreenb2#100078/IMG_0089&bgcolor=black As you can see, the transport has been removed and the reel motor is exposed. However, my copy of the service manual is missing the right half of figure 6.5. That's exactly the portion that shows the reel motor assembly! So I'm stuck -- I don't want to do any harm by exploring and it's not obvious how to get the motor detached from the transport. Thanks in advance for any advice!! -- Jeff ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Tue Feb 1 16:01:46 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 07:01:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR7A Reel Motor Removal! In-Reply-To: <4515EC2E-3732-4687-8EFE-9616EDFE2D6E@mac.com> References: <4515EC2E-3732-4687-8EFE-9616EDFE2D6E@mac.com> Message-ID: <531494.77876.qm@web130123.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jeff,, I spoke to soon... After emailing my previous response I thought of a place where I might have kept a copy of the instructions and -- sure enough -- there they were. Hope the following answers your question: ------------------------------------------- I apologize for the delay... This morning I finally went down to my 'lab' (actually, an old metal desk in the basement) and -- using both my CR-7 and an MR-1 parts deck -- re-enacted a reel motor removal. It turns out that, no, you do not have to remove the transport from the deck, neither do you need to disturb the head block. You do, however, need to remove the capstan motor. That said, I do see Willy's point in recommending transport removal. There are three tricky steps in the description below (7, 8 and 10) that may become less tricky if you do. OTOH, transport removal does have its own difficulties, but that's another story :-). In the list of steps below, 'top' or 'right' refer to the deck normal orientation, as seen from the front. Also, numbers following part names refer to the designation numbers from Fig. 6.5, page 18 of the CR-7 service manual. I'll appreciate any comments/corrections/observations you may wish to make. So, here's what I did: 1. Remove top cover. How: remove two screws, 2 on each side. 2. Remove cassette well door. 3. Remove front part of the cassette case (24). How: remove 2 black countersunk head screws on the left. Hold the left side and pull forward and to the left to disengage. Note location of the spring on the left plastic bracket and make sure it's correctly positioned prior to reassembly 4. Remove the cassette back plate. How: remove 2 black screws from the top of the plate. The plate fits into slots in the cassette guides at the bottom of the well. Pull the top of the plate forward and up to disengage. 5. Remove the left hub. How: press down on the hub. This exposes a 3.2mm plastic washer -- pull it off, then remove the hub, a metal washer, a plastic spring holder and a spring, in this order. 6. In a similar fashion, remove the right hub. 7. The reel motor plate is held by 2 screws and a nut, all accessible from the rear. For now, remove the upper left screw and loosen (do not remove) the 4mm nut. You may use a 5/32" nut driver.The plate and motor will remain in place. 8. Mark the positive terminal of the reel motor with a dab of red paint, if not already so marked. Unsolder the motor leads. 9. dismount the capstan motor. It is held in place by 4 screws, all accessible from the front. How: put a piece of plastic sleeving on each capstan, for protection. Manually lift the head block as far as it will go and use a strong rubber band hooked to the post at the top to keep it in place. Top left screw is located under the left hub hole, a bit to the left. Top right screw is located about 1/2" above the right cassette guide. Lower right screw is located under the right pinch roller. Lower left screw is located under and to the left of the left pinch roller. Its head will be hidden under a segment of an L bracket (16). To expose the head (partially), push the L bracket segment down. Use a thin Philips #1 screwdriver. Once the capstan motor standoff is free, release the L bracket. This will keep the screw captive, so it will not fall out. 10. Remove the reel motor plate with the reel motor attached. How: Move the capstan motor back so as to permit access to the lower screw holding the reel motor plate in place. Use a right angle Philips #1 screwdriver. Loosen the screw (do not remove). 11. Replace reel motor. 12. Reassemble in reverse order. Good luck, -- Ron ________________________________ From: Jeff Greenberg To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Mon, January 31, 2011 8:43:02 PM Subject: [naktalk] CR7A Reel Motor Removal! I'm trying to remove the reel motor from my CR7A for repair and I've reached an impasse. Hope some of you can help! Here's a picture of the transport: http://gallery.me.com/jgreenb2#100078/IMG_0089&bgcolor=black As you can see, the transport has been removed and the reel motor is exposed. However, my copy of the service manual is missing the right half of figure 6.5. That's exactly the portion that shows the reel motor assembly! So I'm stuck -- I don't want to do any harm by exploring and it's not obvious how to get the motor detached from the transport. Thanks in advance for any advice!! -- Jeff ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Tue Feb 1 18:08:44 2011 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 09:08:44 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] CR7A Reel Motor Removal! In-Reply-To: <4515EC2E-3732-4687-8EFE-9616EDFE2D6E@mac.com> References: <4515EC2E-3732-4687-8EFE-9616EDFE2D6E@mac.com> Message-ID: It's not a quick and simple one, Jeff. You have to remove the capstan motor assembly to get to the screws which hold the plate the spooling motor is attached to, pull that plate off and then remove the spooling motor. I've done more than 100 and it still takes a long time. Two notes - when you get the spooling motor plate off notice that there's a nut loose on a shaft holding the brake assembly in place. Yes, that really is a nut that Nakamichi is using for a spacer and it has to go back in the same place. Also, the spring plate which pushes down on the cassette box when it's loaded weaves into the top of the transport plate. It needs to be back in that position when you replace the motor plate. I can't tell you how many times I've gotten all the way through reassembly only to find that I didn't get that plate back in place. Best of luck. Willy On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 5:43 PM, Jeff Greenberg wrote: > I'm trying to remove the reel motor from my CR7A for repair and I've > reached an impasse. Hope some of you can help! Here's a picture of the > transport: > > http://gallery.me.com/jgreenb2#100078/IMG_0089&bgcolor=black > > As you can see, the transport has been removed and the reel motor is > exposed. However, my copy of the service manual is missing the right half of > figure 6.5. That's exactly the portion that shows the reel motor assembly! > So I'm stuck -- I don't want to do any harm by exploring and it's not > obvious how to get the motor detached from the transport. > > Thanks in advance for any advice!! > > -- Jeff > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stephenr at snet.net Wed Feb 2 23:16:49 2011 From: stephenr at snet.net (Stephen Windsor) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2011 17:16:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Any interest in these tapes? In-Reply-To: References: <4D40A4E3.5040302@snet.net> Message-ID: <4D49D7D1.6060508@snet.net> Fergus sorry, been very busy, and going out of town - i'll attend to this next week. how many do you want? I have: - 2 C60 - 1 C90 - 12 C120 Thanks, Steve On 1/27/2011 3:44 AM, Fergus Cullen wrote: > > I'm interested. Can pay with paypal if that's ok. > >> On 27 Jan 2011 08:31, "Stephen Windsor" > > wrote: >> >> hi all, >> >> my work has tossed these tapes, so before i toss them, is there any >> interest? >> They are sealed, have a few of each, 60, 90, i think 120. >> They may be Type 1, which is not the best. >> >> Maxell Professional Industrial P/1 >> Communicator Series >> >> Since they didn't cost me anything, it would just be shipping costs. >> >> Thanks, >> Steve >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From conductor at sasktel.net Fri Feb 4 07:30:54 2011 From: conductor at sasktel.net (Conductor) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 00:30:54 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] tape stuck in ZX-7 Message-ID: I purchased a used ZX-7 a few years ago and have enjoyed using it. I recently put in a cassette and found that it would not play. I stopped the tape immediately after I saw that the take up reel was not moving. After investigating I discovered that the tape was broken but I cannot eject the cassette. I have removed the cover and loosened the front panel. What opens the cassette door? Can it be released mechanically? I moved a lever on the left side which released the cassette slightly but it won't open sufficiently to remove the tape. Your help will be much appreciated. Wayne From N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net Fri Feb 4 10:19:44 2011 From: N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net (N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 10:19:44 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] tape stuck in ZX-7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1695.145.44.29.96.1296811184.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> Hi , You have to turn the big came wheel inside the mechanism. If this wheel is stuck in the play mode then the heads are up and inside the cassette tape. Then you can't open the door ofcourse to prevent damage. So turn the camwheel by hand and that will release the door. Regards Norman Op Vr, 4 februari, 2011 7:30 am schreef Conductor: > I purchased a used ZX-7 a few years ago and have enjoyed using it. I > recently put in a cassette and found that it would not play. I stopped > the tape immediately after I saw that the take up reel was not moving. > After investigating I discovered that the tape was > broken but I cannot eject the cassette. I have removed the cover and > loosened the front panel. What opens the cassette door? Can it be > released mechanically? I moved a lever on the left side which released > the cassette slightly but it won't open sufficiently to remove the tape. > Your help will be much > appreciated. > > Wayne > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From nakdoc77 at gmail.com Fri Feb 4 22:04:51 2011 From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com (Tom Brucker) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 15:04:51 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Track alignment tape In-Reply-To: <4D466547.80308@hol.gr> References: <4D466547.80308@hol.gr> Message-ID: The Nak Gauges Project has been working closely with Tom Mageras in his 2 year quest to manufacture alignment tapes equal to the original Nakamichi in quality and precision. Anyone with questions may email me, hitech at birch.net with questions. I will try and post information of interest to all on this thread. Three tapes are available directly from Tom, or through me at Hi Tech Service. 1. Dolby level 400Hz 0dB. price $50. Used to align playback level and meter level. Can be used with any deck having a DD dolby symbol on the meter. 2. Azimuth tape 15kHz. -20dB mono. price $75 TDK shell or, $90 BASF shell (professional version) Used to adjust head azimuth. May also be used for PB EQ verification. May be used with any deck. 3. Track alignment tape 10 minutes length price $150 (limited current supply may delay delivery) Used to align head height in decks with adjustable guides. Primarily intended for Nakamichi decks. Note that the M-300 gauge, available from Willy or myself, is the proper tool for aligning tape guide height. The track alignment tape will NOT align guide height, only head height. Willy understates Tom's effort to make these tapes. Through a process of crosschecking with 5 sets of Nakamichi alignment tapes, and on machines from the ZX7, Dragon, to the 1000ZXL, systems were devised to insure 100% quality control and precision. Tom has dedicated several modified decks to make these tapes. The track alignment tape requires 3 passes to record and 2 to QC! Answering specific questions about how the tapes are made will be posted in the future, but to be fair to Tom let's let him receive something for the time and effort he has dedicated before revealing any secrets! In the future I plan to write a users guide for the tapes and gauge. I recommend the level tape to any collector with multiple decks. Setting proper play levels also allows correct record level calibration, insuring the best Dolby matching between decks. Before ordering the azimuth tape, you need to obtain a meter, like the Nakamichi T-100, a dual meter AC voltmeter, oscilloscope with X-Y display, or computer sound card and software with X-Y or phase display. The track alignment tape requires a T-100, dual needle AC voltmeter with -60dB sensitivity, or 3 hands to align and control the monitor volume (an inside joke). note: I have no financial interest in this project, and act as distributor as a service to Tom and the Nak community. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nakdoc77 at gmail.com Fri Feb 4 22:15:15 2011 From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com (Tom Brucker) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 15:15:15 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] MR2 In-Reply-To: <4CDC5E68.4090300@windstream.net> References: <4CDC5E68.4090300@windstream.net> Message-ID: No sub exists. Many will disconnect the pot and install the same value trim pot inside and recalibrate the speed. tom brucker On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Fran Giddinmgs wrote: > Anyone aware of a source for VR 602 pn OB30057? > It is the pitch control pot on MR2. Just wondered if anyone has replaced it > and if so with what. > > Before I start buyuing pots and experimenting. > > Thanks > > Fran Giddings > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Tom Brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Pike Nashville, TN USA 37220 hitech77 at earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From conductor at sasktel.net Fri Feb 4 16:18:44 2011 From: conductor at sasktel.net (Conductor) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 09:18:44 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 96, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: <201102041110.p14B8Xu3013696@zxe.naks.com> References: <201102041110.p14B8Xu3013696@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Thanks Norman, I rotated the cam wheel (white plastic, notched) as you suggested. I moved it both ways and watched the heads move downward. There is a pin on the wheel that stops it. I presume that is the absolute end of travel. The tape mechanism came outward slightly but not enough to allow the tape to come out. Does the deck need to be plugged in to open the tape door? What else do I need to do? Thanks for taking time to help. Wayne > >Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 10:19:44 +0100 (CET) >From: N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net >Subject: Re: [naktalk] tape stuck in ZX-7 >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Message-ID: > <1695.145.44.29.96.1296811184.squirrel at webmail.internl.net> >Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > >Hi , > >You have to turn the big came wheel inside the mechanism. If this wheel is >stuck in the play mode then the heads are up and inside the cassette tape. >Then you can't open the door ofcourse to prevent damage. So turn the >camwheel by hand and that will release the door. > >Regards Norman > >Op Vr, 4 februari, 2011 7:30 am schreef Conductor: >> I purchased a used ZX-7 a few years ago and have enjoyed using it. I >> recently put in a cassette and found that it would not play. I stopped >> the tape immediately after I saw that the take up reel was not moving. >> After investigating I discovered that the tape was >> broken but I cannot eject the cassette. I have removed the cover and >> loosened the front panel. What opens the cassette door? Can it be >> released mechanically? I moved a lever on the left side which released >> the cassette slightly but it won't open sufficiently to remove the tape. >> Your help will be much >> appreciated. >> > > Wayne From nakdoc77 at gmail.com Sat Feb 5 01:06:24 2011 From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com (Tom Brucker) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 18:06:24 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX - a couple of problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You cannot align a new head without the Nak tilt gauge and a track alignment tape. I would strongly suggest that you are over your head in this repair. Yes, the 482 head looks the same, but the half speed decks had selected heads with less gap scatter, required for good frequency response at low speeds. On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 6:36 PM, Fred Longworth < classicaudiorepair at gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 1:46 PM, David Frow wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I have a 680ZX which I bought in a non-working condition (ebay special) >> and have been working through the issues the deck had. So far I have >> replaced the playback head (with one from a 482), all of the orange and >> electoyltic capacitors and the 7812/7912 voltage regulators. The deck works >> fine on all functions, but I still have a couple of issues: >> > > *Are you certain that the head from the 482 is the same as the head for > the 680ZX?* > >> >> - a high-pitched tone on playback, this is the same frequency regardless >> of tape speed so does not come from the motors. I have replaced the voltage >> regulators which made no difference >> > > *This is best troubleshot using an oscilloscope.* > > *Also, check your electrolytic power supply and decoupling capacitors. It > is extremely easy to get one of them in backwards when you're replacing a > whole handful of them. Even seasoned techs make this error.* > >> >> - recording level is 4-5db higher than playback with adjustments in >> mid-position with very little high-frequency response, bass and midrange >> seem to have been boosted. Heads are correctly aligned using A-bex >> alignment tapes. >> > > *Is the poor high-frequency response true on prerecorded tapes, or is it > only true on tapes that have been recorded on this very 680ZX and then > played back?* > >> >> I should mention that the deck is a 220V deck runnning on 240V, but all >> the voltages are fine. The service manual seems to list the same parts >> (including transformer) for 220V and 240V operation >> >> Any ides guys? Thanks, David >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > Good luck with this. > > -- > Fred Longworth MBA, CHMM > Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 > 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F > San Diego, CA 92116 > (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 > Fax: (619) 282-7872 > classicaudiorepair at gmail.com > stereo1 at cox.net > www.repairaudio.com > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Tom Brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Pike Nashville, TN USA 37220 hitech77 at earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nakdoc77 at gmail.com Sat Feb 5 01:08:17 2011 From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com (Tom Brucker) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 18:08:17 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] tape stuck in ZX-7 In-Reply-To: <1695.145.44.29.96.1296811184.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> References: <1695.145.44.29.96.1296811184.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> Message-ID: To free the tape, rotate the right flywheel in a clockwise direction to unwrap the tape. Do not pry on the cassette door! tom brucker On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 3:19 AM, wrote: > Hi , > > You have to turn the big came wheel inside the mechanism. If this wheel is > stuck in the play mode then the heads are up and inside the cassette tape. > Then you can't open the door ofcourse to prevent damage. So turn the > camwheel by hand and that will release the door. > > Regards Norman > > Op Vr, 4 februari, 2011 7:30 am schreef Conductor: > > I purchased a used ZX-7 a few years ago and have enjoyed using it. I > > recently put in a cassette and found that it would not play. I stopped > > the tape immediately after I saw that the take up reel was not moving. > > After investigating I discovered that the tape was > > broken but I cannot eject the cassette. I have removed the cover and > > loosened the front panel. What opens the cassette door? Can it be > > released mechanically? I moved a lever on the left side which released > > the cassette slightly but it won't open sufficiently to remove the tape. > > Your help will be much > > appreciated. > > > > Wayne > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Tom Brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Pike Nashville, TN USA 37220 hitech77 at earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fgiddi at windstream.net Fri Feb 4 23:36:49 2011 From: fgiddi at windstream.net (Fran Giddinmgs) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 17:36:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] MR2 In-Reply-To: References: <4CDC5E68.4090300@windstream.net> Message-ID: <4D4C7F81.9070506@windstream.net> On 2/4/2011 4:15 PM, Tom Brucker wrote: > No sub exists. Many will disconnect the pot and install the same value > trim pot inside and recalibrate the speed. > tom brucker > > On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Fran Giddinmgs > wrote: > > Anyone aware of a source for VR 602 pn OB30057? > It is the pitch control pot on MR2. Just wondered if anyone has > replaced it > and if so with what. > > Before I start buyuing pots and experimenting. > > Thanks > > Fran Giddings > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > -- > Tom Brucker > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Pike > Nashville, TN USA > 37220 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Tom, I was able to locate the same value pot and it is mounted through the front cover off the board. Its wires then run back to the board now mounted elsewhere and it looks stock from the front and works just fine. Im pretty good at engineering around a problem. Thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fergus.cullen at gmail.com Sat Feb 5 01:13:12 2011 From: fergus.cullen at gmail.com (Fergus Cullen) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 00:13:12 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Any interest in these tapes? In-Reply-To: References: <4D40A4E3.5040302@snet.net> <4D49D7D1.6060508@snet.net> Message-ID: Hey Steve. Thanks a lot. Could I take 6 c120s or would that be too greedy? Would like to leave some for the others! Fergus On 3 Feb 2011 08:29, "Stephen Windsor" wrote: Fergus sorry, been very busy, and going out of town - i'll attend to this next week. how many do you want? I have: - 2 C60 - 1 C90 - 12 C120 Thanks, Steve On 1/27/2011 3:44 AM, Fergus Cullen wrote: > > I'm interested. Can pay with paypal if that's ok. >> >> On 27 Jan 2011 08:31, "Stephen Windsor"... ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From conductor at sasktel.net Sun Feb 6 04:40:06 2011 From: conductor at sasktel.net (Conductor) Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2011 21:40:06 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 96, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: <201102051110.p15B8jfJ018314@zxe.naks.com> References: <201102051110.p15B8jfJ018314@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Thanks to Tom and Norman for your suggestions, I discovered that the tape had broken and was wrapped around one of the pins that travels through the cassette. After removing the tape I was able to open the door. Wayne > > >Message: 5 >Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 18:08:17 -0600 >From: Tom Brucker >Subject: Re: [naktalk] tape stuck in ZX-7 >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Message-ID: > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >To free the tape, rotate the right flywheel in a clockwise direction to >unwrap the tape. Do not pry on the cassette door! > >tom brucker > >On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 3:19 AM, wrote: > >> Hi , >> >> You have to turn the big came wheel inside the mechanism. If this wheel is >> stuck in the play mode then the heads are up and inside the cassette tape. >> Then you can't open the door ofcourse to prevent damage. So turn the >> camwheel by hand and that will release the door. >> >> Regards Norman >> >> Op Vr, 4 februari, 2011 7:30 am schreef Conductor: >> > I purchased a used ZX-7 a few years ago and have enjoyed using it. I >> > recently put in a cassette and found that it would not play. I stopped >> > the tape immediately after I saw that the take up reel was not moving. >> > After investigating I discovered that the tape was >> > broken but I cannot eject the cassette. I have removed the cover and >> > loosened the front panel. What opens the cassette door? Can it be >> > released mechanically? I moved a lever on the left side which released >> > the cassette slightly but it won't open sufficiently to remove the tape. >> > Your help will be much >> > appreciated. >> > >> > Wayne > > > From erwinder at comcast.net Mon Feb 7 05:24:26 2011 From: erwinder at comcast.net (Ed) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 22:24:26 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Need some help with my 700 Message-ID: <187FAC95FE8D40869328E8CD2D612F4C@OfficePC1> Hi All, I have a 700 that I bought new back in the 70's that I am trying to keep working. I have been a Naktalk member for several years reading all the posts and if there is help out there for my deck this is where I will find it. I will tell you the issues I am having and then tell you what I have done so far. Issue #1 is when playing tapes, I get random slow down of the tape, some times very brief other times a few seconds long, then returning to normal speed. Issue #2 is rewinding tapes. Rewind is slow and stops before it get to the end. My fast forward works great. This is what I have done so far on my own. I bought a service manual for the 700 so I had something to help me understand what I am looking at. I changed the belts and idler pulleys. I cleaned and lubed areas of fiction and the capstan flanges. I tried adjusting the take-up pulley torque and the fast forward and rewind torque. The work I did improved both the play and rewind performance but its not working the way it needs to. I appreciate any thoughts you have on keeping my 700 going. Ed Winder -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net Mon Feb 7 10:29:48 2011 From: N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net (N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 10:29:48 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] Need some help with my 700 In-Reply-To: <187FAC95FE8D40869328E8CD2D612F4C@OfficePC1> References: <187FAC95FE8D40869328E8CD2D612F4C@OfficePC1> Message-ID: <1968.145.44.29.96.1297070988.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> Hi Ed, It is possible that the motor cuases the random slow down. Maybe you can measure if the power is stable to the (capstan) motor? Regards Norman Op Ma, 7 februari, 2011 5:24 am schreef Ed: > Hi All, > > > > > I have a 700 that I bought new back in the 70's that I am trying to keep > working. I have been a Naktalk member for several years reading all the > posts and if there is help out there for my deck this is where I will > find it. I will tell you the issues I am having and then tell you what I > have done so far. Issue #1 is when playing tapes, I get random slow down > of the tape, some times very brief other times a few seconds long, then > returning to normal speed. Issue #2 is rewinding tapes. Rewind is slow > and stops before it get to the end. My fast forward works great. > > > > This is what I have done so far on my own. I bought a service manual for > the 700 so I had something to help me understand what I am looking at. > I > changed the belts and idler pulleys. I cleaned and lubed areas of fiction > and the capstan flanges. I tried adjusting the take-up pulley torque > and the fast forward and rewind torque. The work I did improved both the > play and rewind performance but its not working the way it needs to. > > > > I appreciate any thoughts you have on keeping my 700 going. > > > > > Ed Winder > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------======== > = > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From nakdoc77 at gmail.com Mon Feb 7 13:00:14 2011 From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 06:00:14 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Need some help with my 700 In-Reply-To: <187FAC95FE8D40869328E8CD2D612F4C@OfficePC1> References: <187FAC95FE8D40869328E8CD2D612F4C@OfficePC1> Message-ID: Ed, From experience I can tell you that rebuilding the reel clutch is a tricky affair. I suspect that one of your belt or tire substitutions are causing the RW problem. As far as the intermittent slow down, your capstan motor or motor servo circuit could cause the symptom, but there is no DIY method to troubleshoot. Perhaps cleaning the speed control pot might help? I believe I am the only US technician still working on the early Nakamichi models, so you do have the option of sending it out. tom brucker On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Ed wrote: > Hi All, > > > > I have a 700 that I bought new back in the 70’s that I am trying to keep > working. I have been a Naktalk member for several years reading all the > posts and if there is help out there for my deck this is where I will find > it. I will tell you the issues I am having and then tell you what I have > done so far. Issue #1 is when playing tapes, I get random slow down of the > tape, some times very brief other times a few seconds long, then returning > to normal speed. Issue #2 is rewinding tapes. Rewind is slow and stops > before it get to the end. My fast forward works great. > > > > This is what I have done so far on my own. I bought a service manual for > the 700 so I had something to help me understand what I am looking at. I > changed the belts and idler pulleys. I cleaned and lubed areas of fiction > and the capstan flanges. I tried adjusting the take-up pulley torque and > the fast forward and rewind torque. The work I did improved both the play > and rewind performance but its not working the way it needs to. > > > > I appreciate any thoughts you have on keeping my 700 going. > > > > Ed Winder > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Tom Brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Pike Nashville, TN USA 37220 hitech77 at earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nakdoc77 at gmail.com Mon Feb 7 13:03:48 2011 From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 06:03:48 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] MR2 In-Reply-To: <4D4C7F81.9070506@windstream.net> References: <4CDC5E68.4090300@windstream.net> <4D4C7F81.9070506@windstream.net> Message-ID: Does the replacement pot have the detent center tap? It is easy to find a normal pot, but the Nakamichi pot has a special tap so the pitch control is defeated in Rec mode. If you have a good sub I'd love to know how to purchase them. What I do is rely on worn out MR2 parts decks. tom brucker On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 4:36 PM, Fran Giddinmgs wrote: > On 2/4/2011 4:15 PM, Tom Brucker wrote: > > No sub exists. Many will disconnect the pot and install the same value trim > pot inside and recalibrate the speed. > > tom brucker > > On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Fran Giddinmgs wrote: > >> Anyone aware of a source for VR 602 pn OB30057? >> It is the pitch control pot on MR2. Just wondered if anyone has replaced >> it >> and if so with what. >> >> Before I start buyuing pots and experimenting. >> >> Thanks >> >> Fran Giddings >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > > -- > Tom Brucker > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Pike > Nashville, TN USA > 37220 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Tom, I was able to locate the same value pot and it is mounted through the > front cover off the board. > > Its wires then run back to the board now mounted elsewhere and it looks > stock from the front and works > just fine. > > Im pretty good at engineering around a problem. > > Thanks > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Tom Brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Pike Nashville, TN USA 37220 hitech77 at earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nakdoc77 at gmail.com Mon Feb 7 13:08:26 2011 From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 06:08:26 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 96, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: References: <201102041110.p14B8Xu3013696@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Sounds like your pin has jumped out of its groove in the white cam. It is common in the 2 head classic decks , like the 480, but I suppose it could happen in a ZX7. Get some good light and look at the pin. By gently pulling the pin forward and pushing the gear back, the pin can be moved into the proper groove. Once repaired, I recommend dismantling the deck and removing the old orange grease. tom brucker On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 9:18 AM, Conductor wrote: > Thanks Norman, > > I rotated the cam wheel (white plastic, notched) as you suggested. I moved > it both ways and watched the heads move downward. There is a pin on the > wheel that stops it. I presume that is the absolute end of travel. The > tape mechanism came outward slightly but not enough to allow the tape to > come out. Does the deck need to be plugged in to open the tape door? What > else do I need to do? > > Thanks for taking time to help. > > Wayne > > >> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 10:19:44 +0100 (CET) >> From: N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] tape stuck in ZX-7 >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> Message-ID: >> <1695.145.44.29.96.1296811184.squirrel at webmail.internl.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 >> >> Hi , >> >> You have to turn the big came wheel inside the mechanism. If this wheel is >> stuck in the play mode then the heads are up and inside the cassette tape. >> Then you can't open the door ofcourse to prevent damage. So turn the >> camwheel by hand and that will release the door. >> >> Regards Norman >> >> Op Vr, 4 februari, 2011 7:30 am schreef Conductor: >> >>> I purchased a used ZX-7 a few years ago and have enjoyed using it. I >>> recently put in a cassette and found that it would not play. I stopped >>> the tape immediately after I saw that the take up reel was not moving. >>> After investigating I discovered that the tape was >>> broken but I cannot eject the cassette. I have removed the cover and >>> loosened the front panel. What opens the cassette door? Can it be >>> released mechanically? I moved a lever on the left side which released >>> the cassette slightly but it won't open sufficiently to remove the tape. >>> Your help will be much >>> appreciated. >>> >>> > Wayne >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Tom Brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Pike Nashville, TN USA 37220 hitech77 at earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nakdoc77 at gmail.com Mon Feb 7 13:13:58 2011 From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 06:13:58 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi T-100 Meter Issues ARGH!! In-Reply-To: <11383.44437.qm@web65702.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <3F304F90-27ED-4066-BFCC-876DD4F67012@gmail.com> <11383.44437.qm@web65702.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The display itself has circuitry imbedded in the glass, so be aware that problems like a flashing display may not be repairable. The most common intermittent problems are cured by retensioning the edge connectors. tom brucker On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:11 AM, Don Gore wrote: > "After unit warms up." > Try component cooler to try to find bad component. Let unit fully warm up > and see if meter pegs out by itself, or let it stay on and maybe turn > intermit fault to hard fault. If you get hard fault remove lin log board to > see if problem is before driver board. I would spray active components in > driver board like Q703,704, IC701, Q701,Q705-Q708, IC703-704 when problem > happens and see if it goes away. Radio shack sells cans of component cooler. > I do not have T100 but just looked at schematic. It would be easier to > isolate with known good T100 since you can swap PC boards and quickly > isolate to faulty PC board. It is no wonder some people have more than one > unit. Look for burn mark on pc boards or component which is too hot. > > DG > > ------------------------------ > *From:* MIke Kehr > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Sent:* Tue, January 25, 2011 1:50:18 AM > *Subject:* [naktalk] Nakamichi T-100 Meter Issues ARGH!! > > I recently purchased a used T-100. It has erratic meter display after > the unit warms up.. I replaced a bad cap(1uf/350v) on the display board. It > was a "fat" cap and was replaced with new. The display works fine and > functions properly for about 5-10 minutes and then it acts erratic. I am > running an audio signal(music) at the inputs and the function switch is set > to "level". After displaying the audio signal for 10 minutes or so it then > acts very sensitive and peaks out. Actually only the last indicator is lit, > and sometimes no display at all. The new cap did stabilize it a bit, it > really did not operate properly at all before the cap replacement. Any help > would be greatly appreciated. I am new here and am excited to be a part of > this very informative forum. > thanks in advance, > mike > > UPDATE: > > wow,worked for 3+ hours this time!! > And then some symptoms again.... ARGH! soo frustrated.. > So this is what I did in addition to replacing the 1uf/350v. > I replaced the two axial caps(10uf 160v) and the radial 4.7uf 160volt pair. > And the transistor Q 709-SCH1501) at the opposite side from the meter > terminations... Still it works for an hour+ more if turned off for hours > with signal passing through the input. It displays a signal fine and then it > peaks and just shows the last Indicators. The room temp is about 60 degrees. > The display also acts strangely in THD and wow and flutter modes. > I also recapped the entire PS to e sure. 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URL: From nakdoc77 at gmail.com Mon Feb 7 13:17:47 2011 From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 06:17:47 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 reel motor brushes In-Reply-To: <926069.4654.qm@web130109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <729217.27314.qm@web65715.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <345257.36722.qm@web130105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <823075.93210.qm@web65708.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <144592.62825.qm@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <234460.73796.qm@web65715.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <926069.4654.qm@web130109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I've never seen a motor cause different RW and FF speeds. I believe you haven't reassembled the reel tables properly. tom brucker On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 4:46 AM, Ron wrote: > > > So a makeshift torque test is a C120 tape. > > Well, this is the worst case scenario for takeup torque. If the deck > consistently works OK under those condition, everything is likely > fine. > > -- Ron > > > > > ------------------------------ > Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 08:15:45 -0800 > From: d_h_gore at yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 reel motor brushes > To: naktalk at naks.com > > So a makeshift torque test is a C120 tape. Sounds reasonable. On the other > hand it would be nice to have a nicer faster reel speed. > > Do you know the reason why one direction is faster than the other ? Brush > drag vs push ? Motor winding optimized for one direction ? Three windings > and 3 takeoffs to brush on reel motor. > > I would guess the proper procedure for removing and replacing the brass > pulley would involve finding a small tiny rod or punch to remove and using a > brass flat surface for installation ( on opposite end to keep from denting > end) Any thoughts from anyone ? > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Ron > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Sun, January 23, 2011 9:41:43 AM > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 reel motor brushes > > > I found a source for $3. > > WOW!!! Way to go. > > >Any info on the RPM of the reel motors? > > Don't worry about it. It falls where it may. A more important > characteristic, by far, is the lowest voltage. I don't remember > the figure for the classic transport, but Sankyo transports > require reliable starting at 1.5V or so. I test this with a bench > power supply, but a simple test is to install and check for > reliable PLAY takeup at the very end of a C120 cassette. > > -- Ron > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Don Gore > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Sat, January 22, 2011 5:43:10 PM > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 reel motor brushes > > I found a source for $3. I went to a military surplus store known to have > tons of parts. My favorite place to go. One isle is full of motors and about > 4- 5 bins ( shoe box) full of 12V motors. I matched the size to several > which could work. I chose the same mfg. removed the brush assembly and the > Back PC board. The swap was an exact match on the brush and assembly. > Cleaned the Armature with a exacto small file, and it works great. just like > new. Beats buying an unknown used one or an overpriced new one ($50). Also > it would be another step to remove the pully. It looks pressed in. > > Yes I see the lack of speed control which is why I swapped motor PC boards. > I see the electronic governor Q414 and 415 in the repair manual. > > One more thing that was wrong was the fast forward switch to ground Q413 > was burnt. > > Any info on the RPM of the reel motors ? 2000, 3000 rpm ? Don > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Ron > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Sat, January 22, 2011 9:11:57 AM > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 reel motor brushes > > Don, > > I doubt you'll find replacement brushes anywhere. However, parts > 480s are available, from which the motor can be cannibalized. > > There is no speed adjustment for the reel motor. speed during > PLAY is controlled by a (fixed) electronic governor. > > -- Ron > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Don Gore > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Sent:* Fri, January 21, 2011 8:51:27 PM > *Subject:* [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 reel motor brushes > > Hello: > > I opened the Nakamichi 480 reel motor to discover brushes which looks like > a 3 prong fork with half the outside fork burnt off. 2.5 legs on each side > remain. Does anybody know of any brush solutions ? Anybody have any luck > replacing them ? I see no speed control on the other end. 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The one in the display PCB is a PITA to do, but make > sure it's caught. I also replace the few regular electrolytics in there so I > never have to go back into the display. What otften happens, is a deck that > has sat for a long time appears to work fine at first, but the components, > when finally stressed after drying out and disused for so long, start to > fail. I usually do the PS caps for that reason. Also, if you have it done, > be sure to have them do the resistor mod for the "no sound when stop light > burns out", and upgrade the cmos switches to HC versions for better sound > and lower distortion. The Marrs capstan belt works excellent on it, but I > don't think his kit includes the more difficult to find dual counter belts, > which really have to be THIN. Like 1mm or less cross section. The originals > are .8mm, but I've never been able to find them. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Tom Brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Pike Nashville, TN USA 37220 hitech77 at earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nakdoc77 at gmail.com Mon Feb 7 13:28:14 2011 From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 06:28:14 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] How much Nak is there in this deck? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Pop the cover and look for the Sankyo label on the reel motor. Many many manufacturers used the Sankyo mechanism with their own heads and electronics. Generally speaking, Luxman decks are very musical and worth keeping! tom brucker On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 5:25 AM, Lauren Horn wrote: > I have a Kyocera D-611 rescued from a thrift store. It's cosmetically > excellent, but the transport screams if I try to play or fast wind. > Before I go much further down the road with this (which I'll do just > to kill time while I wait for the LX-3 to get out of the shop), I want > to check out a rumor: some say that this is a Nak in costume. I'm > skeptical; perhaps the transport is of Nakamichi make, but the heads > and electronics? Hmmm. > > If there isn't any Nak DNA in this thing, I'll frown over it myself > and not clutter up the list with further mention. Thanks, all, for > your wisdom. > > -Lauren > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Tom Brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Pike Nashville, TN USA 37220 hitech77 at earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nakdoc77 at gmail.com Mon Feb 7 13:33:49 2011 From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 06:33:49 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon- mo audio signal at input In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The led inside the fader module fails. You can rebuild it if you are handy, or remove a module from any parts deck with a fader. The same module was used in the MR2 and BX 150, among others. The fader can also be defeated by installing jumper wires between input and output. In theory, the sound should be a bit better (but not audibly better). tom brucker tom brucker On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Mike Kehr wrote: > Hello All, > I have an issue with a dragon. There is not any audio signal at the inputs > when in source. The internal tests: Level and Bias work perfectly. > I have been researching and it appears that there is a proprietary circuit > for the Auto Fader system. Cds 301, which contains a photocoupler. > The guy who I got the deck from said that he diagnosed with ESL that the > photocoupler may be the reason for the no audio signal. He replaced it with > another from a parts dragon > and it worked perfectly! He then bench tested the deck and could not get it > to fail. Well now I have the Dragon and the same symptoms??? > Any help would be greatly appreciated... He is also looking into this. > > Thanks in Advance, > > mike kehr > > > > MIke Kehr > Studo Owner/Creative Artist > Mike Kehr Photography Inc. > 610.388.7808 • 302.234.9080 > > http://www.mkphoto.com > mike at mkphoto.com > > > > > > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This electronic mail may contain information that > is privileged, confidential, and/or otherwise protected from disclosure to > anyone other than its intended recipient (s). Any dissemination or use of > this electronic mail or its contents by persons other than the intended > recipient (s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this > communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail > so that we may correct our internal records. Please then delete the original > message. 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As an alternate, I can show you how to set tilt with the M-300 (Willy's gauge). It isn't petty but it does work pretty well. tom brucker On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 2:45 AM, Norman van Wijnen wrote: > Hi, > > > > Is there anyone who wants to sell me a nakamichi M-9039 (DA09039A) > Nakamichi tilt check gauge? I’m searching a long time for this thing but > can’t lay my hand on it. > > Maybe there is someone who knows one? > > > > Regards Norman > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Tom Brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Pike Nashville, TN USA 37220 hitech77 at earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Can find original discrete head for this Naka, or what type > can use for replacement? > Thank you very much! > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Tom Brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Pike Nashville, TN USA 37220 hitech77 at earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nakdoc77 at gmail.com Mon Feb 7 13:46:55 2011 From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 06:46:55 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Motor Prob? In-Reply-To: <95569FF7E8104BFCAD45B777CF7377FD@superdator> References: <95569FF7E8104BFCAD45B777CF7377FD@superdator> Message-ID: Many Dragon idler tires are rock hard. I theorize that the 'rubber" formula was changed in production, because older classic mech decks do not suffer from this problem. Another cause cold be a defective capstan motor drive circuit on the left side, or severly clogged bearings. Basic Dragon service is $200+ from several of our NakTalk servicers. A complete rebuild is also available through ESL. Contact these off list for specifics. A freshly repaired Dragon should last many years. tom brucker On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 2:46 AM, Pär Ericsson wrote: > The sound could come from a bad idler tire. On the dragon its a little > bit tricky to replace so leave it as is as long as the deck REW/FFWD. The > playback problem in opposite direction could be > a brooken bulb on the pulse counter PCB. If you look on page 17 in the > service manual you are able to see the PCB just above the l/h supply shaft > (below L06). This bulb (12 v) is easy to repl > if you have soldering skills. > > Good Luck/Pelle. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Lance Goler > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 05, 2011 7:52 PM > *Subject:* [naktalk] Dragon Motor Prob? > > I am the original owner of a Dragon that needs a repair. With a tape in > playback mode, the motor makes a bit of a grinding sound and will only move > the tape in one direction. When trying to playback in the opposite > direction, the tape doesn't move and it goes back to stop mode. 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Generally speaking, Luxman decks are very musical and worth keeping!   tom brucker On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 5:25 AM, Lauren Horn wrote: I have a Kyocera D-611 rescued from a thrift store.  It's cosmetically excellent, but the transport screams if I try to play or fast wind. Before I go much further down the road with this (which I'll do just to kill time while I wait for the LX-3 to get out of the shop), I want to check out a rumor: some say that this is a Nak in costume.  I'm skeptical; perhaps the transport is of Nakamichi make, but the heads and electronics?  Hmmm. 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URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Mon Feb 7 20:42:23 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 09:42:23 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi tilt check gauge In-Reply-To: References: <-2818049863827827391@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Tom, I used Willy's gauge to set the tilt on my 581 and would be very interested to know how a pro does it. That way I can verify that I really did it the right way and got the best possible result. Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 2:37 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi tilt check gauge Norman, I might have one for you. As an alternate, I can show you how to set tilt with the M-300 (Willy's gauge). 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URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Mon Feb 7 20:52:00 2011 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 11:52:00 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi tilt check gauge In-Reply-To: References: <-2818049863827827391@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: There's one on eBay right now: http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Nakamichi-Cassette-M-9039-Tlit-Check-Gauge-1-/250768242474?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item3a62f3b72a#ht_598wt_1139 Willy On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 4:37 AM, Tom Brucker wrote: > Norman, > I might have one for you. As an alternate, I can show you how to set tilt > with the M-300 (Willy's gauge). It isn't petty but it does work pretty > well. > > tom brucker > > On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 2:45 AM, Norman van Wijnen < > n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> >> >> Is there anyone who wants to sell me a nakamichi M-9039 (DA09039A) >> Nakamichi tilt check gauge? 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URL: From jean-jerome.prejean at orange.fr Mon Feb 7 13:07:25 2011 From: jean-jerome.prejean at orange.fr (Jean-Jerome PREJEAN) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 13:07:25 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] (no subject) Message-ID: <14337226.15761.1297080445908.JavaMail.www@wwinf1e12> Hello i ve forced with the ff with an old cassette and now the rewinding mode is weak by stopping after a very few moment the tape counter still indicates the same position my nak is a 1000 type 2 playing mode works great how do i cope with this thanks! From angel9esoteric at gmail.com Mon Feb 7 22:50:16 2011 From: angel9esoteric at gmail.com (MD) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 16:50:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] How much Nak is there in this deck? In-Reply-To: <221550.81935.qm@web112703.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <221550.81935.qm@web112703.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Wait till you hear the famous Lux 5K50 recorder,aka "McIntosh"of cassette decks...Regards,Mike On 2/7/11, shanti ramachandran wrote: > Yes Tom. I agree. Luxman decks are absolute masterpieces. I have a K-03 that > has a Sankyo mechanism akin  to the Cr7 with gear drive) Soundwise, it is > very close to the ZXL series decks, including recording capability. Quite > stunning  and unexpected, I might add. > > Ram > > > --- On Mon, 2/7/11, Tom Brucker wrote: > > From: Tom Brucker > Subject: Re: [naktalk] How much Nak is there in this deck? > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Monday, February 7, 2011, 7:28 AM > > Pop the cover and look for the Sankyo label on the reel motor. Many many > manufacturers used the Sankyo mechanism with their own heads and > electronics. Generally speaking, Luxman decks are very musical and worth > keeping! > > > tom brucker > > > On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 5:25 AM, Lauren Horn wrote: > > I have a Kyocera D-611 rescued from a thrift store.  It's cosmetically > excellent, but the transport screams if I try to play or fast wind. > > Before I go much further down the road with this (which I'll do just > to kill time while I wait for the LX-3 to get out of the shop), I want > to check out a rumor: some say that this is a Nak in costume.  I'm > > skeptical; perhaps the transport is of Nakamichi make, but the heads > and electronics?  Hmmm. > > If there isn't any Nak DNA in this thing, I'll frown over it myself > and not clutter up the list with further mention.  Thanks, all, for > > your wisdom. > > -Lauren > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > -- > > Tom Brucker > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Pike > Nashville, TN USA > 37220 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From laurenh at gmail.com Mon Feb 7 23:53:59 2011 From: laurenh at gmail.com (Lauren Horn) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 13:53:59 -0900 Subject: [naktalk] How much Nak is there in this deck? In-Reply-To: <221550.81935.qm@web112703.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <221550.81935.qm@web112703.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Am I correct in understanding that the link between Kyocera and Luxman decks is that they both, at some points in time, used Sankyo transports? On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 10:19 AM, shanti ramachandran < shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote: > Yes Tom. I agree. Luxman decks are absolute masterpieces. I have a K-03 > that has a Sankyo mechanism akin to the Cr7 with gear drive) Soundwise, it > is very close to the ZXL series decks, including recording capability. Quite > stunning and unexpected, I might add. > > Ram > > > --- On *Mon, 2/7/11, Tom Brucker * wrote: > > > From: Tom Brucker > Subject: Re: [naktalk] How much Nak is there in this deck? > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Monday, February 7, 2011, 7:28 AM > > > Pop the cover and look for the Sankyo label on the reel motor. Many many > manufacturers used the Sankyo mechanism with their own heads and > electronics. Generally speaking, Luxman decks are very musical and worth > keeping! > > tom brucker > > On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 5:25 AM, Lauren Horn > > wrote: > > I have a Kyocera D-611 rescued from a thrift store. It's cosmetically > excellent, but the transport screams if I try to play or fast wind. > Before I go much further down the road with this (which I'll do just > to kill time while I wait for the LX-3 to get out of the shop), I want > to check out a rumor: some say that this is a Nak in costume. I'm > skeptical; perhaps the transport is of Nakamichi make, but the heads > and electronics? Hmmm. > > If there isn't any Nak DNA in this thing, I'll frown over it myself > and not clutter up the list with further mention. Thanks, all, for > your wisdom. > > -Lauren > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.commailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > -- > Tom Brucker > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Pike > Nashville, TN USA > 37220 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.commailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Tue Feb 8 00:08:43 2011 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 00:08:43 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi tilt check gauge In-Reply-To: References: <-2818049863827827391@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <001e01cbc71b$f7858c00$e690a400$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Thanks Guys, I will try to get that one and maybe some other gauges. Regards Norman Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens Willy Hermann Verzonden: maandag 7 februari 2011 20:52 Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Onderwerp: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi tilt check gauge There's one on eBay right now: http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Nakamichi-Cassette-M-9039-Tlit-Check-Gauge-1-/25 0768242474?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2 &hash=item3a62f3b72a#ht_598wt_1139 Willy On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 4:37 AM, Tom Brucker wrote: Norman, I might have one for you. As an alternate, I can show you how to set tilt with the M-300 (Willy's gauge). It isn't petty but it does work pretty well. tom brucker On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 2:45 AM, Norman van Wijnen wrote: Hi, Is there anyone who wants to sell me a nakamichi M-9039 (DA09039A) Nakamichi tilt check gauge? I'm searching a long time for this thing but can't lay my hand on it. Maybe there is someone who knows one? 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URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Feb 8 00:43:04 2011 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 15:43:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi tilt check gauge In-Reply-To: References: <-2818049863827827391@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <119409.64795.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Oh my god.  Have you looked at all the Nakamichi gauges, alignment jigs and new old stock parts this guy has up for auction currently.  Am I dreaming!   ________________________________ From: Willy Hermann To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Mon, February 7, 2011 11:52:00 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi tilt check gauge There's one on eBay right now:  http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Nakamichi-Cassette-M-9039-Tlit-Check-Gauge-1-/250768242474?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item3a62f3b72a#ht_598wt_1139 Willy On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 4:37 AM, Tom Brucker wrote: Norman, >  I might have one for you. As an alternate, I can show you how to set tilt with >the M-300  (Willy's gauge). It isn't petty but it does work pretty well. > >tom brucker > > >On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 2:45 AM, Norman van Wijnen >wrote: > >Hi, >>  >>Is there anyone who wants to sell me a nakamichi M-9039 (DA09039A) Nakamichi >>tilt check gauge? I’m searching a long time for this thing but can’t lay my hand >>on it. >>Maybe there is someone who knows one? >>  >>Regards Norman >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > >-- > >Tom Brucker >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Pike >Nashville, TN USA >37220 >hitech77 at earthlink.net > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Tue Feb 8 01:00:36 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 14:00:36 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Naka CR-4 Rec and Play heads In-Reply-To: <760833.42789.qm@web113820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <760833.42789.qm@web113820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Are you sure the heads are not just very, very dirty? I bought a 582 for parts off ebay but ended up fixing it. At first I thought the heads were destroyed - they looked terrible. I decided to see if cleaning them would make a difference. After 3 vigorous cleanings they still looked horrible. After 3 additional cleanings I finally reached a little bit of metal. 3 more cleanings and heads in perfect condition were revealed. Even under magnification they looked great. They probably hadn't been cleaned in years and the layers of oxide and dirt had hardened on the surface such that a normal cleaning did nothing. After 9 vigorous cleanings they worked great. Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of c n Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 1:11 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Naka CR-4 Rec and Play heads Pleese help with a rec and play heads for a Naka CR-4, or link, or somebody what have this type magnetic heads. have a CR-4, beautyfull condition, mechanical functioned perfect, but have rec and play heads very, very used... Thank you, Cristian -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From laurenh at gmail.com Tue Feb 8 01:43:33 2011 From: laurenh at gmail.com (Lauren Horn) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 15:43:33 -0900 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi tilt check gauge In-Reply-To: References: <-2818049863827827391@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Holy cow, there are several. And a lot of other Nak parts. As the seller says, they bought a bunch of parts from an "older electronic repair shop." I ran a query on all this seller's listings. Scattered among other miscellanea are other interesting treasures: http://shop.ebay.com/intrigueaff/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=25 On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Willy Hermann wrote: > There's one on eBay right now: >  http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Nakamichi-Cassette-M-9039-Tlit-Check-Gauge-1-/250768242474?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item3a62f3b72a#ht_598wt_1139 > Willy > > On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 4:37 AM, Tom Brucker wrote: >> >> Norman, >>   I might have one for you. As an alternate, I can show you how to set >> tilt with the M-300  (Willy's gauge). It isn't petty but it does work pretty >> well. >> >> tom brucker >> >> On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 2:45 AM, Norman van Wijnen >> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> >>> >>> Is there anyone who wants to sell me a nakamichi M-9039 (DA09039A) >>> Nakamichi tilt check gauge? I’m searching a long time for this thing but >>> can’t lay my hand on it. >>> >>> Maybe there is someone who knows one? >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards Norman >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> -- >> Tom Brucker >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Pike >> Nashville, TN USA >> 37220 >> hitech77 at earthlink.net >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From laurenh at gmail.com Tue Feb 8 08:24:48 2011 From: laurenh at gmail.com (Lauren Horn) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 22:24:48 -0900 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi tilt check gauge In-Reply-To: <119409.64795.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <-2818049863827827391@unknownmsgid> <119409.64795.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <-4827160527669051566@unknownmsgid> I looked, I looked. Except for the few parts thY were identified by deck, I had no idea what most of that was for. I posted the link to that seller's full listings in hopes that somebody on this list who still works on Naks will snatch them up, just as I donated my parts decks to the local tech in Anchorage. It's tempting to build up one's own stash, but they can do the most good at a shop. Besides, I go to a lot of estate sales. Dying with the most toys just means a huge headache for your descendants. --Lauren On Feb 7, 2011, at 6:21 PM, Scott Johnson wrote: Oh my god. Have you looked at all the Nakamichi gauges, alignment jigs and new old stock parts this guy has up for auction currently. Am I dreaming! ------------------------------ *From:* Willy Hermann *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks *Sent:* Mon, February 7, 2011 11:52:00 AM *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi tilt check gauge There's one on eBay right now: http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Nakamichi-Cassette-M-9039-Tlit-Check-Gauge-1-/250768242474?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item3a62f3b72a#ht_598wt_1139 Willy On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 4:37 AM, Tom Brucker wrote: > Norman, > I might have one for you. As an alternate, I can show you how to set tilt > with the M-300 (Willy's gauge). It isn't petty but it does work pretty > well. > > tom brucker > > On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 2:45 AM, Norman van Wijnen < > n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> >> >> Is there anyone who wants to sell me a nakamichi M-9039 (DA09039A) >> Nakamichi tilt check gauge? I’m searching a long time for this thing but >> can’t lay my hand on it. >> >> Maybe there is someone who knows one? >> >> >> >> Regards Norman >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > > -- > Tom Brucker > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Pike > Nashville, TN USA > 37220 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From josephjean at verizon.net Tue Feb 8 00:13:23 2011 From: josephjean at verizon.net (goodguy) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2011 18:13:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi tilt check gauge In-Reply-To: References: <-2818049863827827391@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <0LG900EIFSIBTA20@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> Did everyone take a look at the loads of Nak parts for auction??? I bet he has close to 100 parts, motor, doors, covers, button assemblies, etc,.. http://electronics.shop.ebay.com/Vintage-Electronics-/14998/i.html?_catref=1&_fln=1&_ssn=intrigueaff&_trksid=p3911.c0.m282 At 02:52 PM 2/7/2011, you wrote: >There's one on eBay right >now: >http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Nakamichi-Cassette-M-9039-Tlit-Check-Gauge-1-/250768242474?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item3a62f3b72a#ht_598wt_1139 > >Willy > >On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 4:37 AM, Tom Brucker ><nakdoc77 at gmail.com> wrote: >Norman, > I might have one for you. As an alternate, I can show you how to > set tilt with the M-300 (Willy's gauge). It isn't petty but it > does work pretty well. > >tom brucker > >On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 2:45 AM, Norman van Wijnen ><n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net> wrote: > >Hi, > > > >Is there anyone who wants to sell me a nakamichi M-9039 (DA09039A) >Nakamichi tilt check gauge? I'm searching a long time for this thing >but can't lay my hand on it. > >Maybe there is someone who knows one? > > > >Regards Norman > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! > http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >-- >Tom Brucker >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Pike >Nashville, TN USA >37220 >hitech77 at earthlink.net > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! > http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland When momentum meets resistance, push harder. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kevin.mcgee at talktalk.net Tue Feb 8 00:30:59 2011 From: kevin.mcgee at talktalk.net (Kevin McGee) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2011 23:30:59 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi tilt check gauge - 144 items listed In-Reply-To: References: <-2818049863827827391@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <4D5080B3.2090400@talktalk.net> Willy, I just used the 'See Other Items' from this seller - they have 144 Nakamichi items listed; various gauges, spindles, PCBs, button assy, etc Kev On 07/02/2011 19:52, Willy Hermann wrote: > There's one on eBay right now: > http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Nakamichi-Cassette-M-9039-Tlit-Check-Gauge-1-/250768242474?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item3a62f3b72a#ht_598wt_1139 > > > > Willy > > On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 4:37 AM, Tom Brucker > wrote: > > Norman, > I might have one for you. As an alternate, I can show you how to > set tilt with the M-300 (Willy's gauge). It isn't petty but it > does work pretty well. > tom brucker > > On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 2:45 AM, Norman van Wijnen > > wrote: > > Hi, > > Is there anyone who wants to sell me a nakamichi M-9039 > (DA09039A) Nakamichi tilt check gauge? I'm searching a long > time for this thing but can't lay my hand on it. > > Maybe there is someone who knows one? > > Regards Norman > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > -- > Tom Brucker > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Pike > Nashville, TN USA > 37220 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3428 - Release Date: 02/07/11 > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From d_h_gore at yahoo.com Tue Feb 8 01:25:18 2011 From: d_h_gore at yahoo.com (Don Gore) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 16:25:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 96, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: References: <201102041110.p14B8Xu3013696@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <156248.77890.qm@web65710.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> If You remove the orange grease what would you replace it with ? ________________________________ From: Tom Brucker To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Mon, February 7, 2011 7:08:26 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 96, Issue 4 Sounds like your pin has jumped out of its groove in the white cam. It is common in the 2 head classic decks , like the 480, but I suppose it could happen in a ZX7. Get some good light and look at the pin. By gently pulling the pin forward and pushing the gear back, the pin can be moved into the proper groove. Once repaired, I recommend dismantling the deck and removing the old orange grease. tom brucker On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 9:18 AM, Conductor wrote: Thanks Norman, > >I rotated the cam wheel (white plastic, notched) as you suggested. I moved it >both ways and watched the heads move downward. There is a pin on the wheel that >stops it. I presume that is the absolute end of travel. The tape mechanism >came outward slightly but not enough to allow the tape to come out. Does the >deck need to be plugged in to open the tape door? What else do I need to do? > >Thanks for taking time to help. > >Wayne > > > >>Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 10:19:44 +0100 (CET) >>From: N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] tape stuck in ZX-7 >>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>Message-ID: >> <1695.145.44.29.96.1296811184.squirrel at webmail.internl.net> >>Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 >> >>Hi , >> >>You have to turn the big came wheel inside the mechanism. If this wheel is >>stuck in the play mode then the heads are up and inside the cassette tape. >>Then you can't open the door ofcourse to prevent damage. So turn the >>camwheel by hand and that will release the door. >> >>Regards Norman >> >>Op Vr, 4 februari, 2011 7:30 am schreef Conductor: >> >> I purchased a used ZX-7 a few years ago and have enjoyed using it. I >>> recently put in a cassette and found that it would not play. I stopped >>> the tape immediately after I saw that the take up reel was not moving. >>> After investigating I discovered that the tape was >>> broken but I cannot eject the cassette. I have removed the cover and >>> loosened the front panel. What opens the cassette door? Can it be >>> released mechanically? I moved a lever on the left side which released >>> the cassette slightly but it won't open sufficiently to remove the tape. >>> Your help will be much >>> appreciated. >>> >>> > Wayne >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- Tom Brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Pike Nashville, TN USA 37220 hitech77 at earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From d_h_gore at yahoo.com Tue Feb 8 02:39:48 2011 From: d_h_gore at yahoo.com (Don Gore) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 17:39:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 reel motor brushes In-Reply-To: References: <729217.27314.qm@web65715.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <345257.36722.qm@web130105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <823075.93210.qm@web65708.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <144592.62825.qm@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <234460.73796.qm@web65715.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <926069.4654.qm@web130109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <641833.95443.qm@web65701.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> The different speed was due to a burnt brush. Since I replaced the brushes it is now the same speed. My reel motor now works well. 1/2 of one brush was burnt in half right at the connection point. So that is a symptom. Half speed in one direction means burnt brush. ________________________________ From: Tom Brucker To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Mon, February 7, 2011 7:17:47 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 reel motor brushes I've never seen a motor cause different RW and FF speeds. I believe you haven't reassembled the reel tables properly. tom brucker On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 4:46 AM, Ron wrote: >> So a makeshift torque test is a C120 tape. > >Well, this is the worst case scenario for takeup torque. If the deck >consistently works OK under those condition, everything is likely >fine. > >-- Ron > > > > > > >________________________________ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 08:15:45 -0800 >From: d_h_gore at yahoo.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 reel motor brushes >To: naktalk at naks.com > > >So a makeshift torque test is a C120 tape. Sounds reasonable. On the other hand >it would be nice to have a nicer faster reel speed. > > >Do you know the reason why one direction is faster than the other ? Brush drag >vs push ? Motor winding optimized for one direction ? Three windings and 3 >takeoffs to brush on reel motor. > > >I would guess the proper procedure for removing and replacing the brass pulley >would involve finding a small tiny rod or punch to remove and using a brass flat >surface for installation ( on opposite end to keep from denting end) Any >thoughts from anyone ? > > > > ________________________________ From: Ron >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Sun, January 23, 2011 9:41:43 AM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 reel motor brushes > > >> I found a source for $3. > >WOW!!! Way to go. > > >>Any info on the RPM of the reel motors? > >Don't worry about it. It falls where it may. A more important >characteristic, by far, is the lowest voltage. I don't remember >the figure for the classic transport, but Sankyo transports >require reliable starting at 1.5V or so. I test this with a bench >power supply, but a simple test is to install and check for >reliable PLAY takeup at the very end of a C120 cassette. > >-- Ron > > > > ________________________________ From: Don Gore >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Sat, January 22, 2011 5:43:10 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 reel motor brushes > > >I found a source for $3. I went to a military surplus store known to have tons >of parts. My favorite place to go. One isle is full of motors and about 4- 5 >bins ( shoe box) full of 12V motors. I matched the size to several which could >work. I chose the same mfg. removed the brush assembly and the Back PC board. >The swap was an exact match on the brush and assembly. Cleaned the Armature with >a exacto small file, and it works great. just like new. Beats buying an unknown >used one or an overpriced new one ($50). Also it would be another step to remove >the pully. It looks pressed in. > > >Yes I see the lack of speed control which is why I swapped motor PC boards. I >see the electronic governor Q414 and 415 in the repair manual. > > >One more thing that was wrong was the fast forward switch to ground Q413 was >burnt. > > >Any info on the RPM of the reel motors ? 2000, 3000 rpm ? Don > > > > ________________________________ From: Ron >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Sat, January 22, 2011 9:11:57 AM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 reel motor brushes > > >Don, > >I doubt you'll find replacement brushes anywhere. However, parts >480s are available, from which the motor can be cannibalized. > >There is no speed adjustment for the reel motor. speed during >PLAY is controlled by a (fixed) electronic governor. > >-- Ron > > > > > ________________________________ From: Don Gore >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Fri, January 21, 2011 8:51:27 PM >Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 reel motor brushes > > >Hello: > >I opened the Nakamichi 480 reel motor to discover brushes which looks like a 3 >prong fork with half the outside fork burnt off. 2.5 legs on each side remain. >Does anybody know of any brush solutions ? Anybody have any luck replacing them >? I see no speed control on the other end. 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URL: From josephjean at verizon.net Tue Feb 8 02:47:28 2011 From: josephjean at verizon.net (goodguy) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2011 20:47:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] How much Nak is there in this deck? In-Reply-To: References: <221550.81935.qm@web112703.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0LG9000IKZN4VSB0@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> There is a K-03W on eBay right now. Apparently, the W (wood) model is like finding hens teeth. At 05:53 PM 2/7/2011, you wrote: >Am I correct in understanding that the link between Kyocera and >Luxman decks is that they both, at some points in time, used Sankyo transports? > >On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 10:19 AM, shanti ramachandran ><shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote: >Yes Tom. I agree. Luxman decks are absolute masterpieces. I have a >K-03 that has a Sankyo mechanism akin to the Cr7 with gear drive) >Soundwise, it is very close to the ZXL series decks, including >recording capability. Quite stunning and unexpected, I might add. > >Ram > > >--- On Mon, 2/7/11, Tom Brucker ><nakdoc77 at gmail.com> wrote: > >From: Tom Brucker <nakdoc77 at gmail.com> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] How much Nak is there in this deck? >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" ><naktalk at naks.com> >Date: Monday, February 7, 2011, 7:28 AM > > >Pop the cover and look for the Sankyo label on the reel motor. Many >many manufacturers used the Sankyo mechanism with their own heads >and electronics. Generally speaking, Luxman decks are very musical >and worth keeping! > >tom brucker > >On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 5:25 AM, Lauren Horn ><laurenh at gmail.com> wrote: >I have a Kyocera D-611 rescued from a thrift store. It's cosmetically >excellent, but the transport screams if I try to play or fast wind. >Before I go much further down the road with this (which I'll do just >to kill time while I wait for the LX-3 to get out of the shop), I want >to check out a rumor: some say that this is a Nak in costume. I'm >skeptical; perhaps the transport is of Nakamichi make, but the heads >and electronics? Hmmm. > >If there isn't any Nak DNA in this thing, I'll frown over it myself >and not clutter up the list with further mention. Thanks, all, for >your wisdom. > >-Lauren >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! > http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >-- >Tom Brucker >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Pike >Nashville, TN USA >37220 >hitech77 at earthlink.net > > >-----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! > http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! > http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland When momentum meets resistance, push harder. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brainsmartman at yahoo.com Tue Feb 8 07:28:32 2011 From: brainsmartman at yahoo.com (c n) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 22:28:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Naka CR-4 Rec and Play heads In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <563914.69343.qm@web113811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I am sure the head is not dirty, believe me... That deck is for long time use for recording in "series" mode, from the former owner, maybe thousands of tapes... So, when try calibration level, dont can put up level over 0dB level any form... and level for high frecqency is very low, can see on display of SEA-M770 EQ, with a metal cassette which was recording with a high level of high frecquency...so, any ideea? Repeat, the heads is very clean, and have a effective mechanical wear visible to the naked eye.  In rest, that deck have a great look, and mechanical transport works very well, sorry I could not get it to original settings... Can help me somebody resolve this problem? I love this deck, what work well in tandem with a TA-3 amplituner. Thank you for support and patience, Cristian --- On Tue, 2/8/11, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: From: Cheryl Kaupp Subject: RE: [naktalk] Naka CR-4 Rec and Play heads To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Tuesday, February 8, 2011, 2:00 AM Are you sure the heads are not just very, very dirty?   I bought a 582 for parts off ebay but ended up fixing it. At first I thought the heads were destroyed – they looked terrible. I decided to see if cleaning them would make a difference. After 3 vigorous cleanings they still looked horrible. After 3 additional cleanings I finally reached a little bit of metal. 3 more cleanings and heads in perfect condition were revealed. Even under magnification they looked great. They probably hadn’t been cleaned in years and the layers of oxide and dirt had hardened on the surface such that a normal cleaning did nothing. After 9 vigorous cleanings they worked great.   Aloha, Cheryl   From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of c n Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 1:11 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Naka CR-4 Rec and Play heads    Pleese help with a rec and play heads for a Naka CR-4, or link, or somebody what have this type magnetic heads. have a CR-4, beautyfull condition, mechanical functioned perfect, but have rec and play heads very, very used...  Thank you, Cristian   -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brainsmartman at yahoo.com Tue Feb 8 07:31:05 2011 From: brainsmartman at yahoo.com (c n) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 22:31:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-4 type discrete head replacement In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <512454.98622.qm@web113816.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> hello Tom, Thank you for response. That deck is for long time use for recording in "series" mode, from the former owner, maybe thousands of tapes... So, when try calibration level, dont can put up level over 0dB level any form... and level for high frecqency is very low, can see on display of SEA-M770 EQ, with a metal cassette which was recording with a high level of high frecquency...so, any ideea? The heads is very clean, and have a effective mechanical wear visible to the naked eye.  In rest, that deck have a great look, and mechanical transport works very well, sorry I could not get it to original settings... Can help me somebody resolve this problem? I love this deck, what work well in tandem with a TA-3 amplituner. Thank you for support and patience, Cristian --- On Mon, 2/7/11, Tom Brucker wrote: From: Tom Brucker Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-4 type discrete head replacement To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, February 7, 2011, 2:38 PM There is an eBay seller from Turkey with new heads, but they cost as much as a donor BX 300! What makes you believe you need new heads?   tom brucker On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 9:46 AM, c n wrote:  Hi ! Have a new toy! A nakamichi CR-4... very nice look, but discrete head is used. Can find original discrete head for this Naka, or what type can use for replacement? 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URL: From N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net Tue Feb 8 09:40:47 2011 From: N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net (N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 09:40:47 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi tilt check gauge In-Reply-To: <-4827160527669051566@unknownmsgid> References: <-2818049863827827391@unknownmsgid> <119409.64795.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <-4827160527669051566@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <1889.145.44.29.96.1297154447.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> Hi Lauren, I consider to buy a lot of different gauges and maybe begin a service point here in the Netherlands for restoring Naks. I have already a T100 a digital scope and several tools for repairing. But i am afraid for the prices i have to pay for this auctions. Well this evening we will know. Regards Norman Op Di, 8 februari, 2011 8:24 am schreef Lauren Horn: > I looked, I looked. Except for the few parts thY were identified by > deck, I had no idea what most of that was for. I posted the link to that > seller's full listings in hopes that somebody on this list who still works > on Naks will snatch them up, just as I donated my parts decks to the local > tech in Anchorage. > > > It's tempting to build up one's own stash, but they can do the most good > at a shop. Besides, I go to a lot of estate sales. Dying with the most > toys just means a huge headache for your descendants. > > --Lauren > > > On Feb 7, 2011, at 6:21 PM, Scott Johnson wrote: > > > Oh my god. Have you looked at all the Nakamichi gauges, alignment jigs > and new old stock parts this guy has up for auction currently. Am I > dreaming! > > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Willy Hermann > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Mon, February 7, 2011 11:52:00 AM > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi tilt check gauge > > > There's one on eBay right now: > http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Nakamichi-Cassette-M-9039-Tlit-Check-Gauge-1-/ > 250768242474?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item3a62f3b72a#ht_598wt_1139 > > > -/250768242474?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item3a62f3b72a#ht_598wt_113 > 9> > Willy > > > On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 4:37 AM, Tom Brucker wrote: > > >> Norman, >> I might have one for you. As an alternate, I can show you how to set >> tilt with the M-300 (Willy's gauge). It isn't petty but it does work >> pretty well. >> >> tom brucker >> >> On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 2:45 AM, Norman van Wijnen < >> n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Is there anyone who wants to sell me a nakamichi M-9039 (DA09039A) >>> Nakamichi tilt check gauge? I’m searching a long time for this thing >>> but can’t lay my hand on it. >>> >>> Maybe there is someone who knows one? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards Norman >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== >>> ====>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------===== >>> ===>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------===== >>> ===>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Tom Brucker >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Pike >> Nashville, TN USA >> 37220 >> hitech77 at earthlink.net >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------====== >> ==> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------======= >> => Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------====== >> ==> >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------======== > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------======== > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > =======---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From laurenh at gmail.com Tue Feb 8 16:48:20 2011 From: laurenh at gmail.com (Lauren Horn) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 06:48:20 -0900 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi tilt check gauge In-Reply-To: <1889.145.44.29.96.1297154447.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> References: <-2818049863827827391@unknownmsgid> <119409.64795.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <-4827160527669051566@unknownmsgid> <1889.145.44.29.96.1297154447.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> Message-ID: <1611748043451265939@unknownmsgid> Good luck! : ) --Lauren On Feb 8, 2011, at 4:31 AM, N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net wrote: > > Hi Lauren, > > I consider to buy a lot of different gauges and maybe begin a service > point here in the Netherlands for restoring Naks. I have already a T100 a > digital scope and several tools for repairing. > But i am afraid for the prices i have to pay for this auctions. Well this > evening we will know. > > Regards Norman > > Op Di, 8 februari, 2011 8:24 am schreef Lauren Horn: >> I looked, I looked. Except for the few parts thY were identified by >> deck, I had no idea what most of that was for. I posted the link to that >> seller's full listings in hopes that somebody on this list who still works >> on Naks will snatch them up, just as I donated my parts decks to the local >> tech in Anchorage. >> >> >> It's tempting to build up one's own stash, but they can do the most good >> at a shop. Besides, I go to a lot of estate sales. Dying with the most >> toys just means a huge headache for your descendants. >> >> --Lauren >> >> >> On Feb 7, 2011, at 6:21 PM, Scott Johnson wrote: >> >> >> Oh my god. Have you looked at all the Nakamichi gauges, alignment jigs >> and new old stock parts this guy has up for auction currently. Am I >> dreaming! >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Willy Hermann >> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> *Sent:* Mon, February 7, 2011 11:52:00 AM >> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi tilt check gauge >> >> >> There's one on eBay right now: >> http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Nakamichi-Cassette-M-9039-Tlit-Check-Gauge-1-/ >> 250768242474?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item3a62f3b72a#ht_598wt_1139 >> >> >> > -/250768242474?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item3a62f3b72a#ht_598wt_113 >> 9> >> Willy >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 4:37 AM, Tom Brucker wrote: >> >> >>> Norman, >>> I might have one for you. As an alternate, I can show you how to set >>> tilt with the M-300 (Willy's gauge). It isn't petty but it does work >>> pretty well. >>> >>> tom brucker >>> >>> On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 2:45 AM, Norman van Wijnen < >>> n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Is there anyone who wants to sell me a nakamichi M-9039 (DA09039A) >>>> Nakamichi tilt check gauge? I�m searching a long time for this thing >>>> but can�t lay my hand on it. >>>> >>>> Maybe there is someone who knows one? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards Norman >>>> >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== >>>> ====>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------===== >>>> ===>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: >>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------===== >>>> ===>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tom Brucker >>> Hi Tech Service >>> 2934 Nolensville Pike >>> Nashville, TN USA >>> 37220 >>> hitech77 at earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------====== >>> ==> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------======= >>> => Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------====== >>> ==> >>> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------======== >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------======== >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> =======---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Tue Feb 8 18:29:52 2011 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 10:29:52 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL limited Message-ID: <006901cbc7b5$cc3a6c60$64af4520$@math.utah.edu> There is one in Germany. Seller reports the serial number xx004 Vic From ronin.elm at gmail.com Tue Feb 8 18:11:09 2011 From: ronin.elm at gmail.com (jim donato) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 12:11:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <14337226.15761.1297080445908.JavaMail.www@wwinf1e12> References: <14337226.15761.1297080445908.JavaMail.www@wwinf1e12> Message-ID: Sounds like the idler tire. Had the same issues with a BX-125 and was fixed with a new tire. BTW, nice deck. 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URL: From nakdoc77 at gmail.com Wed Feb 9 00:23:48 2011 From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com (Tom Brucker) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 17:23:48 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi tilt check gauge - 144 items listed In-Reply-To: <4D5080B3.2090400@talktalk.net> References: <-2818049863827827391@unknownmsgid> <4D5080B3.2090400@talktalk.net> Message-ID: Did any of the gauges go to a NakTalker? I have an almost complete set here in the US and another set with Bala. If there is any NakTalker interested in Nak Gauges, please contact me. BTW, I am against an eBay auction on principle. Bala, we need to decide what to do with the set you have. tom brucker On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 5:30 PM, Kevin McGee wrote: > Willy, > > I just used the 'See Other Items' from this seller - they have 144 > Nakamichi items listed; various gauges, spindles, PCBs, button assy, etc > > Kev > > On 07/02/2011 19:52, Willy Hermann wrote: > > There's one on eBay right now: > http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Nakamichi-Cassette-M-9039-Tlit-Check-Gauge-1-/250768242474?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item3a62f3b72a#ht_598wt_1139 > > Willy > > On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 4:37 AM, Tom Brucker wrote: > >> Norman, >> I might have one for you. As an alternate, I can show you how to set >> tilt with the M-300 (Willy's gauge). It isn't petty but it does work pretty >> well. >> >> tom brucker >> >> On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 2:45 AM, Norman van Wijnen < >> n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> >>> >>> Is there anyone who wants to sell me a nakamichi M-9039 (DA09039A) >>> Nakamichi tilt check gauge? I’m searching a long time for this thing but >>> can’t lay my hand on it. >>> >>> Maybe there is someone who knows one? >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards Norman >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Tom Brucker >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Pike >> Nashville, TN USA >> 37220 >> hitech77 at earthlink.net >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3428 - Release Date: 02/07/11 > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Tom Brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Pike Nashville, TN USA 37220 hitech77 at earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nakdoc77 at gmail.com Wed Feb 9 00:26:15 2011 From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com (Tom Brucker) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 17:26:15 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 96, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: <156248.77890.qm@web65710.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <201102041110.p14B8Xu3013696@zxe.naks.com> <156248.77890.qm@web65710.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: A tiny bit of molybdenum grease. It is usually dark colored. Thechnically the grease was never needed, but it seems to be applied by tradition more than need. tom brucker On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 6:25 PM, Don Gore wrote: > If You remove the orange grease what would you replace it with ? > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Tom Brucker > > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Mon, February 7, 2011 7:08:26 AM > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 96, Issue 4 > > Sounds like your pin has jumped out of its groove in the white cam. It is > common in the 2 head classic decks , like the 480, but I suppose it could > happen in a ZX7. Get some good light and look at the pin. By gently pulling > the pin forward and pushing the gear back, the pin can be moved into the > proper groove. Once repaired, I recommend dismantling the deck and removing > the old orange grease. > > tom brucker > > On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 9:18 AM, Conductor wrote: > >> Thanks Norman, >> >> I rotated the cam wheel (white plastic, notched) as you suggested. I >> moved it both ways and watched the heads move downward. There is a pin on >> the wheel that stops it. I presume that is the absolute end of travel. The >> tape mechanism came outward slightly but not enough to allow the tape to >> come out. Does the deck need to be plugged in to open the tape door? What >> else do I need to do? >> >> Thanks for taking time to help. >> >> Wayne >> >> >>> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 10:19:44 +0100 (CET) >>> From: N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] tape stuck in ZX-7 >>> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>> Message-ID: >>> <1695.145.44.29.96.1296811184.squirrel at webmail.internl.net> >>> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 >>> >>> Hi , >>> >>> You have to turn the big came wheel inside the mechanism. If this wheel >>> is >>> stuck in the play mode then the heads are up and inside the cassette >>> tape. >>> Then you can't open the door ofcourse to prevent damage. So turn the >>> camwheel by hand and that will release the door. >>> >>> Regards Norman >>> >>> Op Vr, 4 februari, 2011 7:30 am schreef Conductor: >>> >>>> I purchased a used ZX-7 a few years ago and have enjoyed using it. I >>>> recently put in a cassette and found that it would not play. I >>>> stopped >>>> the tape immediately after I saw that the take up reel was not moving. >>>> After investigating I discovered that the tape was >>>> broken but I cannot eject the cassette. I have removed the cover and >>>> loosened the front panel. What opens the cassette door? Can it be >>>> released mechanically? I moved a lever on the left side which released >>>> the cassette slightly but it won't open sufficiently to remove the >>>> tape. >>>> Your help will be much >>>> appreciated. >>>> >>>> > Wayne >>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > > -- > Tom Brucker > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Pike > Nashville, TN USA > 37220 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Tom Brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Pike Nashville, TN USA 37220 hitech77 at earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nakdoc77 at gmail.com Wed Feb 9 00:31:55 2011 From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com (Tom Brucker) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 17:31:55 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi tilt check gauge In-Reply-To: References: <-2818049863827827391@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Short answer (and don't pick on me on how crude this seems) Completely remove the mechanism. Remove the cassette holder and pad lifter. Place the M-300 plane jig in the well. Manually load the head base by rotating the cam. With a strong side light, adjust the tilt so no light can be seen from the opposite side. This operation takes 3 hands and risks scratching the head, so practice on a junk mechanism. tom brucker On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: > Tom, I used Willy’s gauge to set the tilt on my 581 and would be very > interested to know how a pro does it. That way I can verify that I really > did it the right way and got the best possible result. > > > > Aloha, > > Cheryl > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *Tom Brucker > *Sent:* Monday, February 07, 2011 2:37 AM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi tilt check gauge > > > > Norman, > > I might have one for you. As an alternate, I can show you how to set tilt > with the M-300 (Willy's gauge). It isn't petty but it does work pretty > well. > > > > tom brucker > > On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 2:45 AM, Norman van Wijnen < > n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net> wrote: > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > -- > > Tom Brucker > > Hi Tech Service > > 2934 Nolensville Pike > > Nashville, TN USA > > 37220 > > hitech77 at earthlink.net > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Tom Brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Pike Nashville, TN USA 37220 hitech77 at earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nakdoc77 at gmail.com Wed Feb 9 00:35:26 2011 From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com (Tom Brucker) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 17:35:26 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: <14337226.15761.1297080445908.JavaMail.www@wwinf1e12> Message-ID: The 1000 II uses a clutch with 2 tires and a belt. When RW and FF are weak, either the rubber parts are slipping or the clutch itself has friction problems. Repairing the clutch is tricky. The tape counter belt is stretched, and that you may change yourself. A Marrs belt kit may include clutch tires, but I would email to verify. tom brucker On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 11:11 AM, jim donato wrote: > Sounds like the idler tire. Had the same issues with a BX-125 and was > fixed with a new tire. BTW, nice deck. > > > On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 7:07 AM, Jean-Jerome PREJEAN < > jean-jerome.prejean at orange.fr> wrote: > >> Hello i ve forced with the ff >> with an old cassette and now >> the rewinding mode is weak >> by stopping after a very few >> moment the tape counter still >> indicates the same position >> my nak is a 1000 type 2 >> playing mode works great >> how do i cope with this >> thanks! >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Tom Brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Pike Nashville, TN USA 37220 hitech77 at earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nakdoc77 at gmail.com Wed Feb 9 00:42:01 2011 From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com (Tom Brucker) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 17:42:01 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Recorded Tapes on the CR-7A Serve As Test Tapes On Other Naks? In-Reply-To: References: <393210.27850.qm@web110807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: They are only as good as the deck's alignment. Judging from the decks that come here for service, there is an excellent chance something is not right. If your deck was bought new and was never serviced, the alignment should be fine. One neat thing to do is make a set of reference tapes immediately after your deck has been properly serviced. tom brucker On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 6:16 PM, Tim Skorick wrote: > Hmmmm ... ask Luis :-) I'd say clones can serve rather well personally. > > -Tim > > On Nov 10, 2010 6:14 PM, "Fred S.C. Li" wrote: > > Can tapes recorded on the CR-7A after the Auto-Calibration serve as test > tapes on the condition of heads / alignment / bias settings on other Nak > machines? > > Fred in CT > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Tom Brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Pike Nashville, TN USA 37220 hitech77 at earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nakdoc77 at gmail.com Wed Feb 9 00:52:26 2011 From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com (Tom Brucker) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 17:52:26 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Differences between CA-5 and CA-5MKII In-Reply-To: <769AAE326A7F40E2A07B9649F0F8E1E9@corp.halex.com.au> References: <769AAE326A7F40E2A07B9649F0F8E1E9@corp.halex.com.au> Message-ID: Steve, On the outside, the CA-5II has added tone controls. Inside, the CA-5 is minimialist design with FETs doing most of the amplification. The CA-5II has 4 times as man parts, and the signal goes through 2 opamps. Most gain is by transistor/opamp. Having never heard either preamp I can't answer on that basis, but on paper I would expect more of the CA-5. tom brucker On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Steve Kulak wrote: > Hi, > > Does anyone know the differences between the CA-5 and CA-5MKII > pre-amplifiers, or better still have a copy of the CA-5MKII service manual > available, or even a brochure? > > Thanks > > Steve > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Tom Brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Pike Nashville, TN USA 37220 hitech77 at earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nakdoc77 at gmail.com Wed Feb 9 00:55:11 2011 From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com (Tom Brucker) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 17:55:11 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700 stops after starting to play tapes In-Reply-To: References: <239914.40433.qm@web95016.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Remove the tape door and enter play mode. If the top reel is easily stopped with light finger pressure, or the reel stops intermittently, then you have a clutch and/or belt problem. The reel motor should last another 30 years. tom brucker On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 11:39 AM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: > I had this problem on the 582. I left the motor on the chassis, laid it > with the spindle up (and secured so it wouldn’t tip over). It creates a nice > little “pool” for oil – which can filled with quality sewing machine oil. I > let the 582 sit for many hours and every time I walked by the spindle got a > bunch of finger spins. Be careful to thoroughly clean off all the excess oil > before picking up the transport – and then clean it again. Worked like a > charm on the 582. > > Aloha, > > Cheryl > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *Christian Thomas > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 08, 2010 6:21 AM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Nak 700 stops after starting to play tapes > > > > Has no one replied to this? > > > > I would guess that the spool uptake motor is getting a bit weak and sticky. > The tape then gets loose after the capstan and an auto cutout stops the > tape from playing. The full time solution to this is to replace the motor > but this is probably a shame since the problem is likely to be caused by the > lubricating grease thickening up through lack of use and age rather than any > actual damage. > > > > Squirting various solvents and oils into the motor is one route to curing > this. Ideally you would remove the motor and then run it for a few hours in > each direction. Alternatively you can do a bit of squirting into some of > the holes and around the phosphor bronze bearings and FF and Rewind it > without a tape for a couple of hours in each direction (keeping a monitor of > the temperature - though this shouldn't be a problem.) You may find this > starts to allow you perhaps 10 minutes into the tape before it stops again, > in which case more of the same is required. Overnight soaks also help as it > takes some time for the bronze to take up the new oil. Hope this helps. > > > > CT > > On 6 December 2010 15:55, Mitchell, Mike K > wrote: > > > I have used my Nak 700 since ~1975 and only cleaned it every couple years > and put in new belts ~5 years ago. Yesterday the tapes would start for a > few seconds then stop as if the motor did not have enough power to drive the > tape. The tapes are all "loose" ie not too tight. 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URL: From nakdoc77 at gmail.com Wed Feb 9 00:59:21 2011 From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com (Tom Brucker) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 17:59:21 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700-ZXL Background Noise In-Reply-To: <430348.42567.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <430348.42567.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Orange cap disease gets my vote. Very common in ZXL decks, unfortunately. tom brucker On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 2:43 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Gregory, > > What's the condition of the deck? The little bit of recording I heard at > the end suggests pretty good, but has a TLC been performed? > > Regards, > Bala > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Gregory Botha > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Sent:* Thu, December 30, 2010 1:51:17 AM > > *Subject:* [naktalk] Nakamichi 700-ZXL Background Noise > > Hi, > > I hear this background noise when playing a blank part of a tape. It's a > combination of a humming / buzzing sound combined with a high pitched sound. > It also seems to amplify when recordings are made on the 700-ZXL. I made a > quick MP3 of this sound, the first part of the MP3 is the leader tape and > then you'll hear when the recording starts as this sound doubles. I > initially though it may be the bias circuit but the sound is still there > (although rather faint) when playing back tapes that were recorded on > another deck, so perhaps something to do with the motor circuit. It can only > be heard in the blank sections of a tape, so it's not really a problem, but > I would like to fix it if I can. 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URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Wed Feb 9 03:11:45 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 16:11:45 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi tilt check gauge In-Reply-To: References: <-2818049863827827391@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Cool, that's pretty much what I did. Thanks! Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 1:32 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi tilt check gauge Short answer (and don't pick on me on how crude this seems) Completely remove the mechanism. Remove the cassette holder and pad lifter. Place the M-300 plane jig in the well. Manually load the head base by rotating the cam. With a strong side light, adjust the tilt so no light can be seen from the opposite side. This operation takes 3 hands and risks scratching the head, so practice on a junk mechanism. tom brucker On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: Tom, I used Willy's gauge to set the tilt on my 581 and would be very interested to know how a pro does it. That way I can verify that I really did it the right way and got the best possible result. Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 2:37 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi tilt check gauge Norman, I might have one for you. As an alternate, I can show you how to set tilt with the M-300 (Willy's gauge). It isn't petty but it does work pretty well. tom brucker On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 2:45 AM, Norman van Wijnen wrote: ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- Tom Brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Pike Nashville, TN USA 37220 hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- Tom Brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Pike Nashville, TN USA 37220 hitech77 at earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If there is any NakTalker interested in Nak Gauges, please contact me. BTW, I am against an eBay auction on principle. Bala, we need to decide what to do with the set you have. tom brucker On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 5:30 PM, Kevin McGee wrote: Willy, I just used the 'See Other Items' from this seller - they have 144 Nakamichi items listed; various gauges, spindles, PCBs, button assy, etc Kev On 07/02/2011 19:52, Willy Hermann wrote: There's one on eBay right now: http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Nakamichi-Cassette-M-9039-Tlit-Check-Gauge-1-/25 0768242474?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2 &hash=item3a62f3b72a#ht_598wt_1139 Willy On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 4:37 AM, Tom Brucker wrote: Norman, I might have one for you. As an alternate, I can show you how to set tilt with the M-300 (Willy's gauge). It isn't petty but it does work pretty well. tom brucker On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 2:45 AM, Norman van Wijnen wrote: Hi, Is there anyone who wants to sell me a nakamichi M-9039 (DA09039A) Nakamichi tilt check gauge? I'm searching a long time for this thing but can't lay my hand on it. Maybe there is someone who knows one? 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Ended up purchasing a CA-5II, along with a PA-5, and are really pleased with it's performance, especially the phono stage, where it seems to sound better with my Denon DP-3000 T/T than my newer Marantz amp. Makes me wonder if a CA-7 series would be much better, any comments? regards Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Brucker To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Differences between CA-5 and CA-5MKII Steve, On the outside, the CA-5II has added tone controls. Inside, the CA-5 is minimialist design with FETs doing most of the amplification. The CA-5II has 4 times as man parts, and the signal goes through 2 opamps. Most gain is by transistor/opamp. Having never heard either preamp I can't answer on that basis, but on paper I would expect more of the CA-5. tom brucker On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Steve Kulak wrote: Hi, Does anyone know the differences between the CA-5 and CA-5MKII pre-amplifiers, or better still have a copy of the CA-5MKII service manual available, or even a brochure? 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Symptoms are the same- heads go in and then immediately out and capstans don’t rotate. The deck got new belts last month. What might be the reason for this malfunction and how to fix it? Thank you, Andrei -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From perry.nak at comcast.net Wed Feb 9 13:57:28 2011 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 12:57:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi tilt check gauge - 144 items listed Message-ID: <825964794.627116.1297256248021.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Yes, it was a bidding blood bath, not unexpected, considering the pent up demand, with the second 9039 going for an astounding $450; the first one went for an apparent bargain at only $365! Looks like 5 people split all 18 or so gauges. I got 3 of them, a 9090 (later style 3 head stroke), a 9047 (early style 3 head stroke), and a 9036 (2 head tilt), in an attempt to round out my set. The 9090 I needed, and wanted to get the 9088 (later EH alignment). I would assume most did go to Naktalkers, but whether they are active in responses here remains to be seen. Hopefully they went to people that work on decks and are not going to be flipped or hoarded. I use mine a LOT, and try to help as many local Nakkers as I can with mine. The Dragon play head is already over $200. Tom, what gauges are in Bala's set? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From letsboogienow at hotmail.com Wed Feb 9 19:38:32 2011 From: letsboogienow at hotmail.com (M I) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 13:38:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Differences between CA-5 and CA-5MKII In-Reply-To: References: <769AAE326A7F40E2A07B9649F0F8E1E9@corp.halex.com.au>, , Message-ID: Steve: I owned a CA5 and eventually traded up for a CA7 which turned out to be one of the biggest improvements I have experienced. Instantly I could hear better separation, very quiet and overall more music to my ears. I have no experience with a CA5ll. I rarely ever used the tone controls and my main source was a fairly loaded LP12. The phono section was excellent. My amp was the PA7 which eventually gave way to the PA7ll. I eventaully moved to English electronics and no longer have the Naks. BFN mi From: kulak at ozemail.com.au To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Differences between CA-5 and CA-5MKII Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 16:23:45 +1100 Tom, Thanks for info. Ended up purchasing a CA-5II, along with a PA-5, and are really pleased with it's performance, especially the phono stage, where it seems to sound better with my Denon DP-3000 T/T than my newer Marantz amp. Makes me wonder if a CA-7 series would be much better, any comments? regards Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Brucker To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Differences between CA-5 and CA-5MKII Steve, On the outside, the CA-5II has added tone controls. Inside, the CA-5 is minimialist design with FETs doing most of the amplification. The CA-5II has 4 times as man parts, and the signal goes through 2 opamps. Most gain is by transistor/opamp. Having never heard either preamp I can't answer on that basis, but on paper I would expect more of the CA-5. tom brucker On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Steve Kulak wrote: Hi, Does anyone know the differences between the CA-5 and CA-5MKII pre-amplifiers, or better still have a copy of the CA-5MKII service manual available, or even a brochure? 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URL: From nakdoc77 at gmail.com Wed Feb 9 23:42:17 2011 From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 16:42:17 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Misbehaving Nakamichi LX-3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Andrei, That new capstan belt is probably too thick and too small. Get another belt from Marrs Communications eBay store. 8096C is fine for the LX 3. tom brucker On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 6:41 PM, andrei kho wrote: > Hi all, > > > > I have a Nak LX-3 deck that from time to time stop working: heads just go > in and then immediately out. > > > > I found that capstans are not rotating, disassembled the deck and found > that the capstan motor is not turning. I measured voltage at motor terminals > with DMM and found that if Play is pressed, it quickly goes up to ca. 3-5 V > DC and then down. The motor attempted to turn but didn't. However, during > the measurement I rotated the capstan motor pulley by hand and it began to > turn after Play was pressed! I measured the voltage and it was approx. 12 v > DC. When I pressed Play, it quickly rose to 12V and stayed there. > > > > The deck worked well for a week or so, being used every other day. However, > today it stopped working again. Symptoms are the same- heads go in and then > immediately out and capstans don’t rotate. > > > > The deck got new belts last month. > > > > What might be the reason for this malfunction and how to fix it? > > > > Thank you, > > > > Andrei > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Tom Brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Pike Nashville, TN USA 37220 hitech77 at earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nakdoc77 at gmail.com Thu Feb 10 00:02:59 2011 From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 17:02:59 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Differences between CA-5 and CA-5MKII In-Reply-To: References: <769AAE326A7F40E2A07B9649F0F8E1E9@corp.halex.com.au> Message-ID: The PA-7 is a total monster. CA-5 II looks like they wanted a bit easier to build MC phono stage. The CA 5 used a single FET, sorta like the Levinson JC-2, a legendary early preamp. All the Nak stereo stuff is good, as long as it was built before 1998 (when the micro systems came out) . Believe it or not, when Tomlinson Holman was pitching the Apt preamp, he demo'd it against the Nak 610 preamp. Nak always had the lo noise, lo distortion specs (the Apt was better). If you want to hear a nice simple tuner, find a 430. My point is, almost every Nak piece has something interesting and novel under the cover. tom brucker On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 11:23 PM, Steve Kulak wrote: > Tom, > > Thanks for info. > Ended up purchasing a CA-5II, along with a PA-5, and are really pleased > with it's performance, especially the phono stage, where it seems to sound > better with my Denon DP-3000 T/T than my newer Marantz amp. > > Makes me wonder if a CA-7 series would be much better, any comments? > > regards > Steve > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Tom Brucker > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 09, 2011 10:52 AM > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Differences between CA-5 and CA-5MKII > > Steve, > On the outside, the CA-5II has added tone controls. Inside, the CA-5 is > minimialist design with FETs doing most of the amplification. The CA-5II > has 4 times as man parts, and the signal goes through 2 opamps. Most gain is > by transistor/opamp. > Having never heard either preamp I can't answer on that basis, but on paper > I would expect more of the CA-5. > > tom brucker > > On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Steve Kulak wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Does anyone know the differences between the CA-5 and CA-5MKII >> pre-amplifiers, or better still have a copy of the CA-5MKII service manual >> available, or even a brochure? >> >> Thanks >> >> Steve >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > > -- > Tom Brucker > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Pike > Nashville, TN USA > 37220 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > > ------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Tom Brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Pike Nashville, TN USA 37220 hitech77 at earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 5:42 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Misbehaving Nakamichi LX-3 Andrei, That new capstan belt is probably too thick and too small. Get another belt from Marrs Communications eBay store. 8096C is fine for the LX 3. tom brucker On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 6:41 PM, andrei kho wrote: Hi all, I have a Nak LX-3 deck that from time to time stop working: heads just go in and then immediately out. I found that capstans are not rotating, disassembled the deck and found that the capstan motor is not turning. I measured voltage at motor terminals with DMM and found that if Play is pressed, it quickly goes up to ca. 3-5 V DC and then down. The motor attempted to turn but didn't. However, during the measurement I rotated the capstan motor pulley by hand and it began to turn after Play was pressed! I measured the voltage and it was approx. 12 v DC. When I pressed Play, it quickly rose to 12V and stayed there. The deck worked well for a week or so, being used every other day. However, today it stopped working again. Symptoms are the same- heads go in and then immediately out and capstans don't rotate. The deck got new belts last month. What might be the reason for this malfunction and how to fix it? Thank you, Andrei ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == -- Tom Brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Pike Nashville, TN USA 37220 hitech77 at earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Could be a motor issue, or as Tom suggests, too small a belt. But I thought you got your belt from Marrs? If you take the belt off, and do start/stops, does the motor always start? Perry ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Fri Feb 11 22:27:53 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 13:27:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Misbehaving Nakamichi LX-3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <131686.74996.qm@web130124.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Lubrication (Actually, lack thereof)? ________________________________ From: andrei kho To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tue, February 8, 2011 7:41:30 PM Subject: [naktalk] Misbehaving Nakamichi LX-3 Hi all, I have a Nak LX-3 deck that from time to time stop working: heads just go in and then immediately out. I found that capstans are not rotating, disassembled the deck and found that the capstan motor is not turning. I measured voltage at motor terminals with DMM and found that if Play is pressed, it quickly goes up to ca. 3-5 V DC and then down. The motor attempted to turn but didn't. However, during the measurement I rotated the capstan motor pulley by hand and it began to turn after Play was pressed! I measured the voltage and it was approx. 12 v DC. When I pressed Play, it quickly rose to 12V and stayed there. The deck worked well for a week or so, being used every other day. However, today it stopped working again. Symptoms are the same- heads go in and then immediately out and capstans don’t rotate. The deck got new belts last month. What might be the reason for this malfunction and how to fix it? Thank you, Andrei ____________________________________________________________________________________ Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andrei_kho at hotmail.com Fri Feb 11 23:25:08 2011 From: andrei_kho at hotmail.com (andrei kho) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 22:25:08 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Misbehaving Nakamichi LX-3 In-Reply-To: <131686.74996.qm@web130124.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: , <131686.74996.qm@web130124.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I didn't lubricate it. Where and with what grease should I do this? Andrei Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 13:27:53 -0800 From: ronami at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Misbehaving Nakamichi LX-3 To: naktalk at naks.com Lubrication (Actually, lack thereof)? From: andrei kho To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tue, February 8, 2011 7:41:30 PM Subject: [naktalk] Misbehaving Nakamichi LX-3 Hi all, I have a Nak LX-3 deck that from time to time stop working: heads just go in and then immediately out. I found that capstans are not rotating, disassembled the deck and found that the capstan motor is not turning. I measured voltage at motor terminals with DMM and found that if Play is pressed, it quickly goes up to ca. 3-5 V DC and then down. The motor attempted to turn but didn't. However, during the measurement I rotated the capstan motor pulley by hand and it began to turn after Play was pressed! I measured the voltage and it was approx. 12 v DC. When I pressed Play, it quickly rose to 12V and stayed there. The deck worked well for a week or so, being used every other day. However, today it stopped working again. Symptoms are the same- heads go in and then immediately out and capstans don’t rotate. The deck got new belts last month. What might be the reason for this malfunction and how to fix it? Thank you, Andrei Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From d_h_gore at yahoo.com Sat Feb 12 00:24:45 2011 From: d_h_gore at yahoo.com (Don Gore) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 15:24:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Misbehaving Nakamichi LX-3 In-Reply-To: <131686.74996.qm@web130124.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <131686.74996.qm@web130124.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <821749.6132.qm@web65707.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Sounds like a bad reel motor to me. There are ways to rebuild one. ________________________________ From: Ron To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Fri, February 11, 2011 4:27:53 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Misbehaving Nakamichi LX-3 Lubrication (Actually, lack thereof)? ________________________________ From: andrei kho To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tue, February 8, 2011 7:41:30 PM Subject: [naktalk] Misbehaving Nakamichi LX-3 Hi all, I have a Nak LX-3 deck that from time to time stop working: heads just go in and then immediately out. I found that capstans are not rotating, disassembled the deck and found that the capstan motor is not turning. I measured voltage at motor terminals with DMM and found that if Play is pressed, it quickly goes up to ca. 3-5 V DC and then down. The motor attempted to turn but didn't. However, during the measurement I rotated the capstan motor pulley by hand and it began to turn after Play was pressed! I measured the voltage and it was approx. 12 v DC. When I pressed Play, it quickly rose to 12V and stayed there. The deck worked well for a week or so, being used every other day. However, today it stopped working again. Symptoms are the same- heads go in and then immediately out and capstans don’t rotate. The deck got new belts last month. What might be the reason for this malfunction and how to fix it? Thank you, Andrei ________________________________ Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From d_h_gore at yahoo.com Sat Feb 12 00:28:49 2011 From: d_h_gore at yahoo.com (Don Gore) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 15:28:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Misbehaving Nakamichi LX-3 In-Reply-To: <131686.74996.qm@web130124.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <131686.74996.qm@web130124.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49359.81473.qm@web65713.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Oh what am I saying. Capstan motor. I'm projecting my past problem. Sorry. You can de-solder wires and use 12v battery on motor to see if it goes out or monitor wires for volage drop from 12v. My guess. ________________________________ From: Ron To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Fri, February 11, 2011 4:27:53 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Misbehaving Nakamichi LX-3 Lubrication (Actually, lack thereof)? ________________________________ From: andrei kho To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tue, February 8, 2011 7:41:30 PM Subject: [naktalk] Misbehaving Nakamichi LX-3 Hi all, I have a Nak LX-3 deck that from time to time stop working: heads just go in and then immediately out. I found that capstans are not rotating, disassembled the deck and found that the capstan motor is not turning. I measured voltage at motor terminals with DMM and found that if Play is pressed, it quickly goes up to ca. 3-5 V DC and then down. The motor attempted to turn but didn't. However, during the measurement I rotated the capstan motor pulley by hand and it began to turn after Play was pressed! I measured the voltage and it was approx. 12 v DC. When I pressed Play, it quickly rose to 12V and stayed there. The deck worked well for a week or so, being used every other day. However, today it stopped working again. Symptoms are the same- heads go in and then immediately out and capstans don’t rotate. The deck got new belts last month. What might be the reason for this malfunction and how to fix it? Thank you, Andrei ________________________________ Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Sat Feb 12 15:41:55 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 06:41:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Misbehaving Nakamichi LX-3 In-Reply-To: References: , <131686.74996.qm@web130124.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <170519.78840.qm@web130123.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > I didn't lubricate it. This could be the problem. I was thinking of the capstan bearings. And please do not use grease, but thin machine oil. Sewing machine oil works in a pinch. The 'right way' to do it is to remove the capstans and let the oil seep into the bronze bearings for a few hours. Then fully clean the capstans so they are bone dry and reassemble. Clean the capstans again, so that absolutely no oil can got on the tape. During this time it's a good idea to clean the belts (or replace) as well as the mating surfaces. The 'easy way' to do it is to put a couple of drops at the capstans' base, where it emerges from the bushing and roytate the capstans by hand, to make it go into the bearings. However, if capstans were seized, this may not do the job and you'll still be be forced to do it the 'right way' -- see above. -- Ron ________________________________ From: andrei kho To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Fri, February 11, 2011 5:25:08 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Misbehaving Nakamichi LX-3 I didn't lubricate it. Where and with what grease should I do this? Andrei ________________________________ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 13:27:53 -0800 From: ronami at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Misbehaving Nakamichi LX-3 To: naktalk at naks.com Lubrication (Actually, lack thereof)? ________________________________ From: andrei kho To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tue, February 8, 2011 7:41:30 PM Subject: [naktalk] Misbehaving Nakamichi LX-3 Hi all, I have a Nak LX-3 deck that from time to time stop working: heads just go in and then immediately out. I found that capstans are not rotating, disassembled the deck and found that the capstan motor is not turning. I measured voltage at motor terminals with DMM and found that if Play is pressed, it quickly goes up to ca. 3-5 V DC and then down. The motor attempted to turn but didn't. However, during the measurement I rotated the capstan motor pulley by hand and it began to turn after Play was pressed! I measured the voltage and it was approx. 12 v DC. When I pressed Play, it quickly rose to 12V and stayed there. The deck worked well for a week or so, being used every other day. However, today it stopped working again. Symptoms are the same- heads go in and then immediately out and capstans don’t rotate. The deck got new belts last month. What might be the reason for this malfunction and how to fix it? Thank you, Andrei ________________________________ Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeruff at yahoo.com Sun Feb 13 17:25:26 2011 From: jeruff at yahoo.com (jesse ruff) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 08:25:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] scotch tape Message-ID: <331505.49105.qm@web83708.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Anyone have experience with these tapes? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270703315713&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT Just curious... Jesse -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dgb100 at psu.edu Mon Feb 14 21:32:27 2011 From: dgb100 at psu.edu (Beckner, Derrick) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 15:32:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] National Audio Company Inc Tapes Message-ID: Hello all, About to pick up my fixed and cleaned up CR-5 after it has been on the fritz for over a year. Need some new tape, only have a few XLIIs left. Found this site (maybe even from someone on the list) and wonder if anyone has tried them out? They have a couple Type IIs. Cobalt 27 - describe as a warm full sounding tape. Never used pure Cobalt to my knowledge but sounds interesting. Chrome 24 - Good old standard type II. Can only be bought 100 at a time, but prices are very reasonable, about 70 cents per 90min tape. Studio Master +4 which rumor has is BASF Super Chrome tape, which I used quite a bit and found perfectly acceptable even in the glory days of tape. $5 a pop is salty but if it is as good as say the XLII-S it would be worth it. Any opinions? Picked up an old Akai HX-A3X which has been cleaned up and has a new motor. Solidly mid-fi, 2 head but with dbx, two mic inputs, Dolby B/C. Doesn't sound too bad for $25. Dolby actually works surprisingly well unlike most cheaper decks. Thanks, Derrick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From perry.nak at comcast.net Tue Feb 15 13:16:10 2011 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 12:16:10 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] NAC tapes Message-ID: <1750931-1297772169-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-724113840-@bda469.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> You can buy 25 if you call and order direct. These have been discussed and reviewed extensively on www.tapeheads.net. Perry Esposito - From my phone From kentlind64 at gmail.com Tue Feb 15 16:44:23 2011 From: kentlind64 at gmail.com (Kent Lind Hansen) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:44:23 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-5 Message-ID: Hello all Nak-fan... Is there some who know what difference there is betweenc apstan motor BFS7B12 and BHS7B02 since BHS7B02 seems tired in my CR-5? There are no problems when I use the Rewind / Fast Forward, only when I play , so it can not pull the tape at the end ... And yes, have tried to change the idler tire ... Did not work! Maybe the motor has to be cleaned? ... But how? ... Some ideas? Regards... Kent - Denmark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Tue Feb 15 17:23:49 2011 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 17:23:49 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6AF85B01-CA30-4345-BF14-BBCA1021C3BD@peromarta.org> How about increasing take up torque? Saludos, Regards, LP. El 15/02/2011, a las 16:44, Kent Lind Hansen escribió: > Hello all Nak-fan... Is there some who know what difference there is between capstan motor BFS7B12 and BHS7B02 since BHS7B02 seems tired in my CR-5? > > There are no problems when I use the Rewind / Fast Forward, only when I play, so it can not pull the tape at the end ... And yes, have tried to change the idler tire ... Did not work! > > Maybe the motor has to be cleaned? ... But how? ... Some ideas? > > Regards... Kent - Denmark > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From luis at peromarta.org Tue Feb 15 17:25:29 2011 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 17:25:29 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Check your service manual for details. Saludos, Regards, LP. El 15/02/2011, a las 16:44, Kent Lind Hansen escribió: > Hello all Nak-fan... Is there some who know what difference there is between capstan motor BFS7B12 and BHS7B02 since BHS7B02 seems tired in my CR-5? > > There are no problems when I use the Rewind / Fast Forward, only when I play, so it can not pull the tape at the end ... And yes, have tried to change the idler tire ... Did not work! > > Maybe the motor has to be cleaned? ... But how? ... Some ideas? > > Regards... Kent - Denmark > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Tue Feb 15 18:20:32 2011 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 10:20:32 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-5 In-Reply-To: <6AF85B01-CA30-4345-BF14-BBCA1021C3BD@peromarta.org> References: <6AF85B01-CA30-4345-BF14-BBCA1021C3BD@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <002001cbcd34$a69ece90$f3dc6bb0$@math.utah.edu> Sounds like a capstan belt too small Vic -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Luis Peromarta Regert Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 9:24 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Cc: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-5 How about increasing take up torque? Saludos, Regards, LP. El 15/02/2011, a las 16:44, Kent Lind Hansen escribi�: > Hello all Nak-fan... Is there some who know what difference there is between > capstan motor BFS7B12 and BHS7B02 since BHS7B02 seems tired in my CR-5? > > There are no problems when I use the Rewind / Fast Forward, only when I > play, so it can not pull the tape at the end ... And yes, have tried to > change the idler tire ... Did not work! > > Maybe the motor has to be cleaned? ... But how? ... Some ideas? > > Regards... Kent - Denmark > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > ==== ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From fergus.cullen at gmail.com Tue Feb 15 22:57:02 2011 From: fergus.cullen at gmail.com (Fergus Cullen) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 21:57:02 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Any interest in these tapes? In-Reply-To: References: <4D40A4E3.5040302@snet.net> <4D49D7D1.6060508@snet.net> Message-ID: Hi Steve Are these tapes gone? Hopefully you've just been busy! Fergus On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 12:13 AM, Fergus Cullen wrote: > Hey Steve. Thanks a lot. Could I take 6 c120s or would that be too greedy? > Would like to leave some for the others! Fergus > > On 3 Feb 2011 08:29, "Stephen Windsor" wrote: > > Fergus sorry, been very busy, and going out of town - i'll attend to this > next week. > > how many do you want? I have: > - 2 C60 > - 1 C90 > - 12 C120 > > Thanks, Steve > > > > On 1/27/2011 3:44 AM, Fergus Cullen wrote: > > > > > > I'm interested. Can pay with paypal if that's ok. > >> > >> On 27 Jan 2011 08:31, "Stephen Windsor"... > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nakdoc77 at gmail.com Wed Feb 16 15:10:27 2011 From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 08:10:27 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I do not believe there is any difference. If the tape loops or spills at the end, the reel motor, not the capstan is the problem. If the tape has not looped, then the tape motion sensor has a problem. I'd have to look at the manual to learn whether it is electronic (likely capacitor problem) or mechanica (counter belt much too tight or thick). tom bruckerl On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 9:44 AM, Kent Lind Hansen wrote: > Hello all Nak-fan... Is there some who know what difference there is > between capstan motor BFS7B12 and BHS7B02 since BHS7B02 seems tired in my > CR-5? > > There are no problems when I use the Rewind / Fast Forward, only when I > play, so it can not pull the tape at the end ... And yes, have tried to change > the idler tire ... Did not work! > > Maybe the motor has to be cleaned? ... But how? ... Some ideas? > > Regards... Kent - Denmark > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Tom Brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Pike Nashville, TN USA 37220 hitech77 at earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nakdoc77 at gmail.com Wed Feb 16 15:12:48 2011 From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 08:12:48 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Need some help with my 700 In-Reply-To: References: <187FAC95FE8D40869328E8CD2D612F4C@OfficePC1> Message-ID: I purchased some of the reel clutch kits in the latest Nak parts auction. I am not familiar with the kit, but if it checks out ok I will sell them at reasonable prices. From the tiny photo, the kit seemed to contain the rubber tires. tom brucker On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 6:00 AM, Tom Brucker wrote: > Ed, > From experience I can tell you that rebuilding the reel clutch is a > tricky affair. I suspect that one of your belt or tire substitutions are > causing the RW problem. As far as the intermittent slow down, your capstan > motor or motor servo circuit could cause the symptom, but there is no DIY > method to troubleshoot. Perhaps cleaning the speed control pot might help? I > believe I am the only US technician still working on the early Nakamichi > models, so you do have the option of sending it out. > tom brucker > > > On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Ed wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> >> >> I have a 700 that I bought new back in the 70’s that I am trying to keep >> working. I have been a Naktalk member for several years reading all the >> posts and if there is help out there for my deck this is where I will find >> it. I will tell you the issues I am having and then tell you what I have >> done so far. Issue #1 is when playing tapes, I get random slow down of the >> tape, some times very brief other times a few seconds long, then returning >> to normal speed. Issue #2 is rewinding tapes. Rewind is slow and stops >> before it get to the end. My fast forward works great. >> >> >> >> This is what I have done so far on my own. I bought a service manual for >> the 700 so I had something to help me understand what I am looking at. I >> changed the belts and idler pulleys. I cleaned and lubed areas of fiction >> and the capstan flanges. I tried adjusting the take-up pulley torque and >> the fast forward and rewind torque. The work I did improved both the play >> and rewind performance but its not working the way it needs to. >> >> >> >> I appreciate any thoughts you have on keeping my 700 going. >> >> >> >> Ed Winder >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > > -- > Tom Brucker > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Pike > Nashville, TN USA > 37220 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > > -- Tom Brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Pike Nashville, TN USA 37220 hitech77 at earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pz-naktalk at ziemba.us Wed Feb 16 22:03:30 2011 From: pz-naktalk at ziemba.us (G. Paul Ziemba) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 21:03:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] rx505 no record Message-ID: My RX-505 won't record (actually, it records for about a second onto the tape, then all goes quiet). I read with interest the various pointers about capacitors as the prime suspects when recording to tape no longer works. (Is it usually the caps in the bias oscillator, or are there other caps I should worry about first?) I have the rx505 service manual, and I have removed the bias oscillator module. The service manual schematic does not list values for the components in the bias module, but there are two green .0018uF caps and a single .0027uF green cap. The two transistors are D592R (this appears to be a Philips part number, but I'm having trouble finding a cross-reference to a digi-key part). Should I try replacing the .0018uF caps first? They are not the orange type pictured in the photos at www.naks.com/support/orange/ Can I get away with ceramics in the bias oscillator? They aren't in the audio path. On the other hand I have almost no experience repairing tape decks so maybe there is a reason for using PP/mylar. With some difficulty I can borrow a scope and get a better idea what's going on, but hoped to poll the collective wisdom here first. thanks, ~!paul -- G. Paul Ziemba FreeBSD unix: 1:01PM up 24 days, 12:19, 24 users, load averages: 0.17, 0.26, 0.24 From bagua_dao at yahoo.com Thu Feb 17 09:05:20 2011 From: bagua_dao at yahoo.com (ying yang) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 00:05:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680ZX transformer blown. What to do? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <409949.62049.qm@web110308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thanks everyone for the advice. I passed them to the technician and rightly so he found the big fuse facing up furthest blown and he also mentioned that the transformer fuse was blown. The repair was promptly done and I had my set back and running. Cheers to all for the advice! --- On Sun, 1/30/11, Christian Thomas wrote: From: Christian Thomas Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680ZX transformer blown. What to do? To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Sunday, January 30, 2011, 11:36 AM Thanks, Fred. On 30 January 2011 02:07, Fred Longworth wrote: Thermal fuse. I have seen scores of transformers that were destroyed by an overvoltage, where there was no smell. This is particularly true when the thermal fuse is tripped. The risk is that the overvoltage can harm semiconductors (diodes, transistors, IC's) and capacitors. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Christian Thomas wrote: Doesn't the deck have a switch to choose mains voltages? If you had blown your transformer it would almost certainly smell.  Sometimes - and often with a good manufacturer like Nak - there is a little fuse type thing buried in the transformer windings for exactly this purpose.  For the life of me I can't remember what they are called but they are basically the last ditch before your house burns down.  Assuming you haven't just blown a fuse, or the LED - though that would notice too with a fair amount of brown and an unusual Orange glow beforehand. In your position I would be quietly hopeful. Best  CT On 29 January 2011 16:49, Bob Naylor wrote: Ron, Would it be a good idea for him to replace any blown fuses, use his 220 to 120 volt converter, power up and chase voltages? Bob N --- On Sat, 1/29/11, Ron wrote: From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680ZX transformer blown. What to do? To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Saturday, January 29, 2011, 7:24 AM >  I am told that the Transformer is burnt and that I will have to get it replaced Depending on who told you this, it is possible your transformer is good, but the power switch was damaged, or a fuse was blown. Be aware that transformers take some time to burn out. When they do, they usually smell. Have the transformer checked again, by someone you trust. > ... and also since that I am replacing the transformer then a 220Volt replacement will obviate the need for a Step-Down power adaptor. That's true, assuming the replacement part is correct for the 680ZX. > Is a 220Volt transformer compatible with the deck originally built for a 110Volt transformer? If a correct transformer is installed, the deck won't care as long as the transformer matches the line voltage. There will be no performance degradation whatsoever. There will be no effect of alignement. > Can anyone advice what special procedures must be observed in view that a different power transformer of 220Volt is to be used in place of the original 110Volt. If the transformer is, indeed, burned out, then all that needs to be done is replace it with a good one. This is a job for a tech or, at least, a knowledgeable hobbyist. -- Ron From: ying yang To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sat, January 29, 2011 7:15:16 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680ZX transformer blown. What to do?   I have a Nakamichi 680ZX cassette deck that runs on 110Volt.   My country provides power at 220Volt.   As I have not played it for several months, I forgot to use the Step-Down transformer so I when I swithed on the power the light came on and off immediately.   There is no smell coming from the deck.   I am told that the Transformer is burnt and that I will have to get it replaced and also since that I am replacing the transformer then a 220Volt replacement will obviate the need for a Step-Down power adaptor.     Is a 220Volt transformer compatible with the deck originally built for a 110Volt transformer?   Can anyone advice what special procedures must be observed in view that a different power transformer of 220Volt is to be used in place of the original 110Volt.   Will there be any loss of dynamics (if I am using the correct term) ; will the sound be degraded because the set was originally not meant for a 20volt ?   Any advice of what not to be disturbed to upset any alignment?   Your kind advice will be much appreciated.   Thank you.   Baguadao -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Thu Feb 17 22:05:52 2011 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 14:05:52 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Majority of the nak gauges on ebay Message-ID: <005501cbcee6$76166450$62432cf0$@math.utah.edu> Looks like the ebay id: perryinva won the majority of the parts and gauges list in that last auction. Vic From laurenh at gmail.com Thu Feb 17 22:45:48 2011 From: laurenh at gmail.com (Lauren Horn) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 12:45:48 -0900 Subject: [naktalk] Majority of the nak gauges on ebay In-Reply-To: <005501cbcee6$76166450$62432cf0$@math.utah.edu> References: <005501cbcee6$76166450$62432cf0$@math.utah.edu> Message-ID: I hope they sold at a price that won't make them too expensive when perryinva uses them for parts on others' decks. On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Victor Gabrenas wrote: > Looks like the ebay id: perryinva won the majority of the parts and gauges > list in that last auction. > > Vic > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From stephenr at snet.net Fri Feb 18 01:04:32 2011 From: stephenr at snet.net (Stephen Windsor) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 19:04:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Any interest in these tapes? In-Reply-To: References: <4D40A4E3.5040302@snet.net> <4D49D7D1.6060508@snet.net> Message-ID: <4D5DB790.7020807@snet.net> Fergus, yes, busy, and tired. 6 C120s are yours. i have to find out how to send to your address, and for how much. thanks for being patient with me :) -Steve On 2/15/2011 4:57 PM, Fergus Cullen wrote: > Hi Steve > > Are these tapes gone? Hopefully you've just been busy! > > Fergus > > > > On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 12:13 AM, Fergus Cullen > > wrote: > > Hey Steve. Thanks a lot. Could I take 6 c120s or would that be too > greedy? Would like to leave some for the others! Fergus > >> On 3 Feb 2011 08:29, "Stephen Windsor" > > wrote: >> >> Fergus sorry, been very busy, and going out of town - i'll attend >> to this next week. >> >> how many do you want? I have: >> - 2 C60 >> - 1 C90 >> - 12 C120 >> >> Thanks, Steve >> >> >> >> On 1/27/2011 3:44 AM, Fergus Cullen wrote: >> >> >> > >> > I'm interested. 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URL: From pbtanner at hotmail.com Fri Feb 18 01:57:56 2011 From: pbtanner at hotmail.com (Peter Tanner) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:57:56 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 582 calibration Message-ID: Hi All, I have acquired some metal tapes recently. TDK MA-X 100's. Some used, some new, still sealed. I am using a 582 which calibrates well for chrome or normal bias tapes generally. This is the first time I've used metal on it and the results are not so good. When I set the record level to 0 db on its 400hz tone then switch to 15 khz for bias the needles swing way over to the right, probably +10 db or more and I am unable to bring them down to 0 db or below. The recordings are too bright to the point of shrilly. If I bring the record level down to -6 or 7 db then the bias can be brought down to about + 2db but it's still too bright and the level is way off. Also, lately the record level goes off on the same tape that has already been set up when the deck is turned on after it's been off for a while. Both chrome and normal. Goes down to about -5 db and cannot be adjusted. Then eventually it goes back up to 0 on its own. As if it needed warming up. Could there be anything wrong with the bias circuit? Just guessing but it would be great if someone could help with this. Thanks Peter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cles at o2.pl Fri Feb 18 11:39:58 2011 From: cles at o2.pl (cles at o2.pl) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 11:39:58 +0100 Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re:_[naktalk]_582_calibration?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2a1910ca.6021052f.4d5e4c7e.8944a@o2.pl I'd think the tape type switches might not engage propely. I had once similar behaviour on metal tape with 670zx. I had to swith back and forth tape selector until it engaged. Dnia 18 lutego 2011 1:57 Peter Tanner <pbtanner at hotmail.com> napisał(a): Hi All, I have acquired some metal tapes recently. TDK MA-X 100's. Some used, some new, still sealed. I am using a 582 which calibrates well for chrome or normal bias tapes generally. This is the first time I've used metal on it and the results are not so good. When I set the record level to 0 db on its 400hz tone then switch to 15 khz for bias the needles swing way over to the right, probably +10 db or more and I am unable to bring them down to 0 db or below. The recordings are too bright to the point of shrilly. If I bring the record level down to -6 or 7 db then the bias can be brought down to about + 2db but it's still too bright and the level is way off. Also, lately the record level goes off on the same tape that has already been set up when the deck is turned on after it's been off for a while. Both chrome and normal. Goes down to about -5 db and cannot be adjusted. Then eventually it goes back up to 0 on its own. As if it needed warming up. Could there be anything wrong with the bias circuit? Just guessing but it would be great if someone could help with this. Thanks Peter========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From perry.nak at comcast.net Fri Feb 18 13:12:00 2011 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 12:12:00 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Majority of Nak gauges Message-ID: <2066505531-1298031122-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-484680969-@bda469.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I didn't win the majority by any stretch, I only won 3 gauges and a few parts. Mostly stud repair kits, a few idler assemblies, and some back tension brakes, and some 680 switches (white tips only). The seller threw in a few extras, as well as greatly discounted s&h, so it wasn't too bad. Just looks like I'm one of only 3 people that responded with feedback on the auction so far. They are not far from me, so I've gotten everything in just 2 days. I was looking to purchase that last electrical lot as I noticed a few new CdS301 modules, but it went way high, as did the power adapter for the 550 and the few Sankyo reel motors. While I despise tearing apart a good deck for parts, this is an example of where it would be patently cheaper to do. You can buy Bx100s all day for next to nothing and get a lot of sankyo parts. Anyone else buy anything that they got too much of and wants to trade or sell? I only work on the later classics and the Sankyo decks. Perry Perry Esposito - From my phone From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr Fri Feb 18 12:52:08 2011 From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (boitrel) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 12:52:08 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Any interest in these tapes? In-Reply-To: <4D5DB790.7020807@snet.net> References: <4D40A4E3.5040302@snet.net> <4D49D7D1.6060508@snet.net> <4D5DB790.7020807@snet.net> Message-ID: <4D5E5D68.7030403@univ-rennes1.fr> Steve If you can put 2 C120s instead of only one as initially discussed, i'll take them... cheers bernard Le 18/02/2011 01:04, Stephen Windsor a écrit : > Fergus, yes, busy, and tired. 6 C120s are yours. i have to find out > how to send to your address, > and for how much. thanks for being patient with me :) > > -Steve > > On 2/15/2011 4:57 PM, Fergus Cullen wrote: >> Hi Steve >> >> Are these tapes gone? Hopefully you've just been busy! >> >> Fergus >> >> >> >> On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 12:13 AM, Fergus Cullen >> > wrote: >> >> Hey Steve. Thanks a lot. Could I take 6 c120s or would that be >> too greedy? Would like to leave some for the others! Fergus >> >>> On 3 Feb 2011 08:29, "Stephen Windsor" >> > wrote: >>> >>> Fergus sorry, been very busy, and going out of town - i'll >>> attend to this next week. >>> >>> how many do you want? I have: >>> - 2 C60 >>> - 1 C90 >>> - 12 C120 >>> >>> Thanks, Steve >>> >>> >>> >>> On 1/27/2011 3:44 AM, Fergus Cullen wrote: >>> >>> >>> > >>> > I'm interested. Can pay with paypal if that's ok. >>> >> >>> >> On 27 Jan 2011 08:31, "Stephen Windsor"... >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki!http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here:http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kentlind64 at gmail.com Fri Feb 18 13:42:05 2011 From: kentlind64 at gmail.com (Kent Lind Hansen) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 13:42:05 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 Message-ID: Hello all nak members ... I wrote a few days ago about problems with a CR-5. Excuse me that I wrote about a tired capstan motor ... I can understand that it's called a reel motor (excuse my bad english) but I have solved the problems, Many thanks, Lois from spain (naks.es) I looked in service manual CR-7 part 4 chapter 3.9 real motor speed adjustment in play mode, and then found the VR 601 and adjusted ... The problems were managed :-)) Wonderful! Are there some who knows how many Ma the little lamp that sits in the cassette slot is on? I can only see and measure that it is 12 volts! Greetings from Kent - Denmark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net Fri Feb 18 14:16:44 2011 From: N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net (N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 14:16:44 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] Majority of Nak gauges Message-ID: <3475.145.44.29.96.1298035004.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> Hi, I'm a lucky guy for buying some Gauges in the auction. Now i have to wait . I need to pay tax here in the Netherlands so delivery can take a lot of time. It were exciting auctions. Some price tags are realy high and some pricetags seems to me realy fair. I'm glad to get these gauges and hope to do some service here in the Netherlands for proud Nak owners in the future. I'm curently busy with a 1000ZXL (new belts, new caps, lamp replacent for leds) and maybe its nice to publish some pictures of the machine. Norman From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com Fri Feb 18 18:14:21 2011 From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 18:14:21 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Majority of Nak gauges In-Reply-To: <3475.145.44.29.96.1298035004.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> References: <3475.145.44.29.96.1298035004.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> Message-ID: We did buy some Gauges and heads at this auktions, the DA09012A with the lens We did buy in Germany, We have new ZXL limited heads, and the original Naka Test tapes. We are recording azimuth-test-cassettes with a ZXL in Austria. This ZXL was imported 2010 from Japan, it contains New orange cups. regards Am 18.02.2011 um 14:16 schrieb N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net: > > Hi, > > I'm a lucky guy for buying some Gauges in the auction. Now i have > to wait . > I need to pay tax here in the Netherlands so delivery can take a > lot of time. > It were exciting auctions. Some price tags are realy high and some > pricetags seems to me realy fair. I'm glad to get these gauges and > hope to > do some service here in the Netherlands for proud Nak owners in the > future. > I'm curently busy with a 1000ZXL (new belts, new caps, lamp > replacent for > leds) and maybe its nice to publish some pictures of the machine. > > > Norman > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From willy at willyhermannservices.com Fri Feb 18 18:24:50 2011 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 09:24:50 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] 582 calibration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Are you saying that the bias trimmers on the front don't have any effect on the 15kHz tone? The idea of the two tones is to set up record level for unity when switching between source and tape at 400Hz and bias at 15kHz. If the bias adjusters aren't able to bring the 15kHz signal down to unity then there may well be something wrong with the bias oscillator - either the frequency is way off or the gain is not sufficient to properly adjust metal bias. I would first suspect the two orange drop caps in the oscillator circuit - C316 and C317. They're 4700pf caps. Replace them and see what happens. Best of luck Willy On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 4:57 PM, Peter Tanner wrote: > Hi All, > > I have acquired some metal tapes recently. TDK MA-X 100's. Some used, some > new, still sealed. > I am using a 582 which calibrates well for chrome or normal bias tapes > generally. This is the first time I've used metal on it and the results are > not so good. When I set the record level to 0 db on its 400hz tone then > switch to 15 khz for bias the needles swing way over to the right, probably > +10 db or more and I am unable to bring them down to 0 db or below. The > recordings are too bright to the point of shrilly. If I bring the record > level down to -6 or 7 db then the bias can be brought down to about + 2db > but it's still too bright and the level is way off. > Also, lately the record level goes off on the same tape that has already > been set up when the deck is turned on after it's been off for a while. Both > chrome and normal. Goes down to about -5 db and cannot be adjusted. Then > eventually it goes back up to 0 on its own. As if it needed warming up. > Could there be anything wrong with the bias circuit? Just guessing but it > would be great if someone could help with this. Thanks > > Peter > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fripp_em at yahoo.com Fri Feb 18 17:49:24 2011 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 08:49:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 582 calibration Message-ID: <505402.98848.qm@web130102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I thought the 582z had metal ZX switch but not the 582? Does your owners manual list metal tape under tape type/selection? David --- On Thu, 2/17/11, Peter Tanner wrote: Hi All,   I have acquired some metal tapes recently. TDK MA-X 100's. Some used, some new, still sealed. I am using a 582 which calibrates well for chrome or normal bias tapes generally. This is the first time I've used metal on it and the results are not so good. When I set the record level to 0 db on its 400hz tone then switch to 15 khz for bias the needles swing way over to the right, probably +10 db or more and I am unable to bring them down to 0 db or below. The recordings are too bright to the point of shrilly. If I bring the record level down to -6 or 7 db then the bias can be brought down to about + 2db but it's still too bright and the level is way off. Also, lately the record level goes off on the same tape that has already been set up when the deck is turned on after it's been off for a while. Both chrome and normal. Goes down to about -5 db and cannot be adjusted. Then eventually it goes back up to 0 on its own. As if it needed warming up. Could there be anything wrong with the bias circuit? Just guessing but it would be great if someone could help with this. Thanks   Peter From fripp_em at yahoo.com Fri Feb 18 17:58:40 2011 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 08:58:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 582 calibration Message-ID: <871704.85664.qm@web130104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I see the 582 manual on the wiki show set up for ZX. --- On Fri, 2/18/11, fripp_em wrote: > Date: Friday, February 18, 2011, 8:49 AM > I thought the 582z had metal ZX > switch but not the 582?  Does your owners manual list > metal tape under tape type/selection? > > David > From stephenr at snet.net Fri Feb 18 18:27:05 2011 From: stephenr at snet.net (Stephen Windsor) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 12:27:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Any interest in these tapes? In-Reply-To: References: <4D40A4E3.5040302@snet.net> <4D49D7D1.6060508@snet.net> Message-ID: <4D5EABE9.6070004@snet.net> Fergus, yes, busy, and tired. 6 C120s are yours. i have to find out how to send to your address, and for how much. thanks for being patient with me :) On 2/15/2011 4:57 PM, Fergus Cullen wrote: > Hi Steve > > Are these tapes gone? Hopefully you've just been busy! > > Fergus > > > > On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 12:13 AM, Fergus Cullen > > wrote: > > Hey Steve. Thanks a lot. Could I take 6 c120s or would that be too > greedy? Would like to leave some for the others! Fergus > >> On 3 Feb 2011 08:29, "Stephen Windsor" > > wrote: >> >> Fergus sorry, been very busy, and going out of town - i'll attend >> to this next week. >> >> how many do you want? I have: >> - 2 C60 >> - 1 C90 >> - 12 C120 >> >> Thanks, Steve >> >> >> >> On 1/27/2011 3:44 AM, Fergus Cullen wrote: >> >> >> > >> > I'm interested. Can pay with paypal if that's ok. >> >> >> >> On 27 Jan 2011 08:31, "Stephen Windsor"... >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stephenr at snet.net Fri Feb 18 18:27:52 2011 From: stephenr at snet.net (Stephen Windsor) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 12:27:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Any interest in these tapes? In-Reply-To: <4D5E5D68.7030403@univ-rennes1.fr> References: <4D40A4E3.5040302@snet.net> <4D49D7D1.6060508@snet.net> <4D5DB790.7020807@snet.net> <4D5E5D68.7030403@univ-rennes1.fr> Message-ID: <4D5EAC18.8020704@snet.net> bernard 2 C120s are yours... i have to find out how to send to your address, and for how much. thanks for being patient with me :) On 2/18/2011 6:52 AM, boitrel wrote: > Steve > > If you can put 2 C120s instead of only one as initially discussed, > i'll take them... > cheers > bernard > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Fri Feb 18 20:58:57 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 09:58:57 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] 582 calibration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Peter, I've run into this before on both my 581 and 582 and each time it leaves me scratching the old noggin for a few minutes. The symptom is the REC LEVEL is correctly set to 0 db but the BIAS will be too high and you won't be able to get it down to 0 db. Try this: When you set the REC LEVEL, there should be 2 places within the pot/VR adjustment range where you can get the meter to read 0 db. Readjust the record level for each channel to the "other" place on the pot/VR where the meter reads 0 db. You should then be able to adjust the BIAS to 0 db. Good luck. Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Peter Tanner Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 2:58 PM To: naktalk naktalk Subject: [naktalk] 582 calibration Hi All, I have acquired some metal tapes recently. TDK MA-X 100's. Some used, some new, still sealed. I am using a 582 which calibrates well for chrome or normal bias tapes generally. This is the first time I've used metal on it and the results are not so good. When I set the record level to 0 db on its 400hz tone then switch to 15 khz for bias the needles swing way over to the right, probably +10 db or more and I am unable to bring them down to 0 db or below. The recordings are too bright to the point of shrilly. If I bring the record level down to -6 or 7 db then the bias can be brought down to about + 2db but it's still too bright and the level is way off. Also, lately the record level goes off on the same tape that has already been set up when the deck is turned on after it's been off for a while. Both chrome and normal. Goes down to about -5 db and cannot be adjusted. Then eventually it goes back up to 0 on its own. As if it needed warming up. Could there be anything wrong with the bias circuit? Just guessing but it would be great if someone could help with this. Thanks Peter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tim.skorick at gmail.com Fri Feb 18 19:34:00 2011 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 12:34:00 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 582 calibration In-Reply-To: <505402.98848.qm@web130102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <505402.98848.qm@web130102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: My 582 has a knob with settings for EX, SX, and ZX. Bias and Rec. Level calibration controls on the front face for all three as well. -Tim On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 10:49 AM, fripp_em wrote: > I thought the 582z had metal ZX switch but not the 582? Does your owners > manual list metal tape under tape type/selection? > > David > > --- On Thu, 2/17/11, Peter Tanner wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > I have acquired some metal tapes recently. TDK MA-X 100's. Some used, some > new, still sealed. > > I am using a 582 which calibrates well for chrome or normal bias tapes > generally. This is the first time I've used metal on it and the results are > not so good. When I set the record level to 0 db on its 400hz tone then > switch to 15 khz for bias the needles swing way over to the right, probably > +10 db or more and I am unable to bring them down to 0 db or below. The > recordings are too bright to the point of shrilly. If I bring the record > level down to -6 or 7 db then the bias can be brought down to about + 2db > but it's still too bright and the level is way off. > > Also, lately the record level goes off on the same tape that has already > been set up when the deck is turned on after it's been off for a while. Both > chrome and normal. Goes down to about -5 db and cannot be adjusted. Then > eventually it goes back up to 0 on its own. As if it needed warming up. > Could there be anything wrong with the bias circuit? Just guessing but it > would be great if someone could help with this. Thanks > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fergus.cullen at gmail.com Fri Feb 18 23:23:26 2011 From: fergus.cullen at gmail.com (Fergus Cullen) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 22:23:26 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Any interest in these tapes? In-Reply-To: <4D5DB790.7020807@snet.net> References: <4D40A4E3.5040302@snet.net> <4D49D7D1.6060508@snet.net> <4D5DB790.7020807@snet.net> Message-ID: no worries Steve. take as long as you like! On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 12:04 AM, Stephen Windsor wrote: > Fergus, yes, busy, and tired. 6 C120s are yours. i have to find out how > to send to your address, > and for how much. thanks for being patient with me :) > > -Steve > > > On 2/15/2011 4:57 PM, Fergus Cullen wrote: > > Hi Steve > > Are these tapes gone? Hopefully you've just been busy! > > Fergus > > > > On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 12:13 AM, Fergus Cullen wrote: > >> Hey Steve. Thanks a lot. Could I take 6 c120s or would that be too greedy? >> Would like to leave some for the others! Fergus >> >> On 3 Feb 2011 08:29, "Stephen Windsor" wrote: >> >> Fergus sorry, been very busy, and going out of town - i'll attend to >> this next week. >> >> how many do you want? I have: >> - 2 C60 >> - 1 C90 >> - 12 C120 >> >> Thanks, Steve >> >> >> >> On 1/27/2011 3:44 AM, Fergus Cullen wrote: >> >> > >> > I'm interested. 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URL: From pbtanner at hotmail.com Sat Feb 19 01:19:23 2011 From: pbtanner at hotmail.com (Peter Tanner) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 00:19:23 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 582 calibration In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: They do have an effect on the 15 khz tone but not enough. The indicators are so far over to the right that the pots cannot be turned enough to bring them down. This, as I've mentioned, only happens with metal tapes in ZX position. Dolby off. Chrome and normal are ok except for the occasioanal 5 db loss of record level which after a while comes back to 0 on the 400 hz tone. Thanks for your suggestion, I'll replace those caps and see what happens. Peter Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 09:24:50 -0800 Subject: Re: [naktalk] 582 calibration From: willy at willyhermannservices.com To: naktalk at naks.com Are you saying that the bias trimmers on the front don't have any effect on the 15kHz tone? The idea of the two tones is to set up record level for unity when switching between source and tape at 400Hz and bias at 15kHz. If the bias adjusters aren't able to bring the 15kHz signal down to unity then there may well be something wrong with the bias oscillator - either the frequency is way off or the gain is not sufficient to properly adjust metal bias. I would first suspect the two orange drop caps in the oscillator circuit - C316 and C317. They're 4700pf caps. Replace them and see what happens. Best of luck Willy On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 4:57 PM, Peter Tanner wrote: Hi All, I have acquired some metal tapes recently. TDK MA-X 100's. Some used, some new, still sealed. I am using a 582 which calibrates well for chrome or normal bias tapes generally. This is the first time I've used metal on it and the results are not so good. When I set the record level to 0 db on its 400hz tone then switch to 15 khz for bias the needles swing way over to the right, probably +10 db or more and I am unable to bring them down to 0 db or below. The recordings are too bright to the point of shrilly. If I bring the record level down to -6 or 7 db then the bias can be brought down to about + 2db but it's still too bright and the level is way off. Also, lately the record level goes off on the same tape that has already been set up when the deck is turned on after it's been off for a while. Both chrome and normal. Goes down to about -5 db and cannot be adjusted. Then eventually it goes back up to 0 on its own. As if it needed warming up. Could there be anything wrong with the bias circuit? Just guessing but it would be great if someone could help with this. 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URL: From pbtanner at hotmail.com Sat Feb 19 01:29:25 2011 From: pbtanner at hotmail.com (Peter Tanner) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 00:29:25 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 582 calibration In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: I've tried that, Cheryl, thanks for the advice but it's still the same. Only on metal, ZX position. Got so frustrated that I've made some recordings using these TDK MA-X's on a 481 Z and the results are just fine so the tapes are good. I'd like to use the 582 though. Peter From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] 582 calibration Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 09:58:57 -1000 Hi Peter, I’ve run into this before on both my 581 and 582 and each time it leaves me scratching the old noggin for a few minutes. The symptom is the REC LEVEL is correctly set to 0 db but the BIAS will be too high and you won’t be able to get it down to 0 db. Try this: When you set the REC LEVEL, there should be 2 places within the pot/VR adjustment range where you can get the meter to read 0 db. Readjust the record level for each channel to the “other” place on the pot/VR where the meter reads 0 db. You should then be able to adjust the BIAS to 0 db. Good luck. Cheryl From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Peter Tanner Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 2:58 PM To: naktalk naktalk Subject: [naktalk] 582 calibration Hi All, I have acquired some metal tapes recently. TDK MA-X 100's. Some used, some new, still sealed. I am using a 582 which calibrates well for chrome or normal bias tapes generally. This is the first time I've used metal on it and the results are not so good. When I set the record level to 0 db on its 400hz tone then switch to 15 khz for bias the needles swing way over to the right, probably +10 db or more and I am unable to bring them down to 0 db or below. The recordings are too bright to the point of shrilly. If I bring the record level down to -6 or 7 db then the bias can be brought down to about + 2db but it's still too bright and the level is way off. Also, lately the record level goes off on the same tape that has already been set up when the deck is turned on after it's been off for a while. Both chrome and normal. Goes down to about -5 db and cannot be adjusted. Then eventually it goes back up to 0 on its own. As if it needed warming up. Could there be anything wrong with the bias circuit? Just guessing but it would be great if someone could help with this. Thanks Peter ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Sat Feb 19 02:15:05 2011 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 17:15:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 582 calibration In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <118170.92698.qm@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Willy, That sounds like the same problem I had with my LX-5, the same value caps??? However after looking at things closely I found a bad solder joint on a resistor next to one of those caps.  I remember you recommended replacing those two caps whether they were bad or not. Same thing with Peter's 582, correct? Bob N --- On Fri, 2/18/11, Willy Hermann wrote: From: Willy Hermann Subject: Re: [naktalk] 582 calibration To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Friday, February 18, 2011, 9:24 AM Are you saying that the bias trimmers on the front don't have any effect on the 15kHz tone?  The idea of the two tones is to set up record level for unity when switching between source and tape at 400Hz and bias at 15kHz.  If the bias adjusters aren't able to bring the 15kHz signal down to unity then there may well be something wrong with the bias oscillator - either the frequency is way off or the gain is not sufficient to properly adjust metal bias.  I would first suspect the two orange drop caps in the oscillator circuit - C316 and C317.  They're 4700pf caps.  Replace them and see what happens. Best of luckWilly On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 4:57 PM, Peter Tanner wrote: Hi All,   I have acquired some metal tapes recently. TDK MA-X 100's. Some used, some new, still sealed. I am using a 582 which calibrates well for chrome or normal bias tapes generally. This is the first time I've used metal on it and the results are not so good. When I set the record level to 0 db on its 400hz tone then switch to 15 khz for bias the needles swing way over to the right, probably +10 db or more and I am unable to bring them down to 0 db or below. The recordings are too bright to the point of shrilly. If I bring the record level down to -6 or 7 db then the bias can be brought down to about + 2db but it's still too bright and the level is way off. Also, lately the record level goes off on the same tape that has already been set up when the deck is turned on after it's been off for a while. Both chrome and normal. Goes down to about -5 db and cannot be adjusted. Then eventually it goes back up to 0 on its own. As if it needed warming up. Could there be anything wrong with the bias circuit? 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URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Sat Feb 19 02:42:00 2011 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 17:42:00 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] 582 calibration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The overly boosted high frequency comes from too little bias not too much which is why I suspect a weak oscillator output or the wrong frequency. Willy On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Peter Tanner wrote: > They do have an effect on the 15 khz tone but not enough. The indicators > are so far over to the right that the pots cannot be turned enough to bring > them down. This, as I've mentioned, only happens with metal tapes in ZX > position. Dolby off. Chrome and normal are ok except for the occasioanal 5 > db loss of record level which after a while comes back to 0 on the 400 hz > tone. Thanks for your suggestion, I'll replace those caps and see what > happens. > Peter > ------------------------------ > Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 09:24:50 -0800 > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 582 calibration > From: willy at willyhermannservices.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Are you saying that the bias trimmers on the front don't have any effect on > the 15kHz tone? The idea of the two tones is to set up record level for > unity when switching between source and tape at 400Hz and bias at 15kHz. If > the bias adjusters aren't able to bring the 15kHz signal down to unity then > there may well be something wrong with the bias oscillator - either the > frequency is way off or the gain is not sufficient to properly adjust metal > bias. I would first suspect the two orange drop caps in the oscillator > circuit - C316 and C317. They're 4700pf caps. Replace them and see what > happens. > > Best of luck > Willy > > On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 4:57 PM, Peter Tanner wrote: > > Hi All, > > I have acquired some metal tapes recently. TDK MA-X 100's. Some used, some > new, still sealed. > I am using a 582 which calibrates well for chrome or normal bias tapes > generally. This is the first time I've used metal on it and the results are > not so good. When I set the record level to 0 db on its 400hz tone then > switch to 15 khz for bias the needles swing way over to the right, probably > +10 db or more and I am unable to bring them down to 0 db or below. The > recordings are too bright to the point of shrilly. If I bring the record > level down to -6 or 7 db then the bias can be brought down to about + 2db > but it's still too bright and the level is way off. > Also, lately the record level goes off on the same tape that has already > been set up when the deck is turned on after it's been off for a while. Both > chrome and normal. Goes down to about -5 db and cannot be adjusted. Then > eventually it goes back up to 0 on its own. As if it needed warming up. > Could there be anything wrong with the bias circuit? Just guessing but it > would be great if someone could help with this. 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URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Sat Feb 19 19:57:19 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 08:57:19 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] 582 calibration In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Hi Peter, Bummer. Since you say it seems okay on the EX and SX positions, then in addition to the oscillator caps that Willy suggested, I would get the schematic and trace out what components are switched into the circuit when you set the switch to ZX. Then verify that those components are within specs/functional. Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Peter Tanner Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 2:29 PM To: naktalk naktalk Subject: RE: [naktalk] 582 calibration I've tried that, Cheryl, thanks for the advice but it's still the same. Only on metal, ZX position. Got so frustrated that I've made some recordings using these TDK MA-X's on a 481 Z and the results are just fine so the tapes are good. I'd like to use the 582 though. Peter _____ From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] 582 calibration Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 09:58:57 -1000 Hi Peter, I've run into this before on both my 581 and 582 and each time it leaves me scratching the old noggin for a few minutes. The symptom is the REC LEVEL is correctly set to 0 db but the BIAS will be too high and you won't be able to get it down to 0 db. Try this: When you set the REC LEVEL, there should be 2 places within the pot/VR adjustment range where you can get the meter to read 0 db. Readjust the record level for each channel to the "other" place on the pot/VR where the meter reads 0 db. You should then be able to adjust the BIAS to 0 db. Good luck. Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Peter Tanner Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 2:58 PM To: naktalk naktalk Subject: [naktalk] 582 calibration Hi All, I have acquired some metal tapes recently. TDK MA-X 100's. Some used, some new, still sealed. I am using a 582 which calibrates well for chrome or normal bias tapes generally. This is the first time I've used metal on it and the results are not so good. When I set the record level to 0 db on its 400hz tone then switch to 15 khz for bias the needles swing way over to the right, probably +10 db or more and I am unable to bring them down to 0 db or below. The recordings are too bright to the point of shrilly. If I bring the record level down to -6 or 7 db then the bias can be brought down to about + 2db but it's still too bright and the level is way off. Also, lately the record level goes off on the same tape that has already been set up when the deck is turned on after it's been off for a while. Both chrome and normal. Goes down to about -5 db and cannot be adjusted. Then eventually it goes back up to 0 on its own. As if it needed warming up. Could there be anything wrong with the bias circuit? Just guessing but it would be great if someone could help with this. Thanks Peter ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george.valkov at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 10:28:06 2011 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 09:28:06 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metallic C90 cassettes Message-ID: I managed to get hold of a couple of these still factory sealed and will be selling them on ebay. First one listed here: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250777133806&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT -- "Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vidguy_me at hotmail.com Tue Feb 22 02:10:48 2011 From: vidguy_me at hotmail.com (vidguy vidguy) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 01:10:48 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] An Introduction, and a Dragon Issue. Message-ID: Hello all, I've just subscribed to this list and am a relatively new Nakamichi owner. I have an abused but functional BX-300, an RX-202, a ZX-7 and a Dragon. All decks are functional, and reasonably trouble free. The BX-300 looks like it fell off a truck, but is still working. The ZX-7 is near perfect. Near new, both in form and function (Even has the factory inspection stickers). The RX-202 has a slight playback buzz I'm trying to chase down. The Dragon does as well, music masks it but it's there in between the songs, and is more noticeable with headphones, unless I use dbx. I have isolated both decks from the system, and tried different locations. The buzz is internal. The Dragon also runs pretty warm after a couple of hours, and on 2 occasions, the capstans have actually stopped. (This was during a 6hr session in which I was testing out the PB and REC functions of the deck.) On both occasions, I was able to re-start the capstans by waiting a few minutes, and nudging them with my finger to get them going. Today the deck has been in a 4 hr auto-rev loop, deck is fairly warm but it's still playing. I've been told it could be the transistors could be overheating, and the motors having to work harder due to dirty capstan bearings. I've only had this deck for 3 days, so I've yet to tear it down. Any suggestions as to what I should start looking for? Other than that, the Dragon's playback is quite impressive, while the ZX-7 tops it in the record capability, this NAAC system really does work. Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pbtanner at hotmail.com Tue Feb 22 14:01:41 2011 From: pbtanner at hotmail.com (Peter Tanner) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 13:01:41 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 582 calibration In-Reply-To: References: , , , , Message-ID: Hi Cheryl, Thanks for the suggestion however it's easier said than done. I am no expert at reading diagrams and up to now I am unable to find the components for ZX switching. I have changed the two caps as per Willy's advice. The big resistor next to them was running hot intermittently in the record mode so the caps were probably faulty or on their way out. They were orange pp caps.The resistor is cold now (I think it's R 319) and the record level is more stable and the right channel is perfect for bias adjust but the left is still up to +3 db and I can't bring it down to 0 or below if the record level is set at 0 db. So as Willy said there is not enough bias current or something else is wrong but the recordings are much better now with only the left channel sounding a little too bright. So I guess I'll have to live with it until some other suggestions or just use my other deck, a 481Z, for these newly acquired metal tapes. SX and EX are perfect. Thanks anyway Peter From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] 582 calibration Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 08:57:19 -1000 Hi Peter, Bummer. Since you say it seems okay on the EX and SX positions, then in addition to the oscillator caps that Willy suggested, I would get the schematic and trace out what components are switched into the circuit when you set the switch to ZX. Then verify that those components are within specs/functional. Aloha, Cheryl From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Peter Tanner Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 2:29 PM To: naktalk naktalk Subject: RE: [naktalk] 582 calibration I've tried that, Cheryl, thanks for the advice but it's still the same. Only on metal, ZX position. Got so frustrated that I've made some recordings using these TDK MA-X's on a 481 Z and the results are just fine so the tapes are good. I'd like to use the 582 though. Peter From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] 582 calibration Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 09:58:57 -1000 Hi Peter, I’ve run into this before on both my 581 and 582 and each time it leaves me scratching the old noggin for a few minutes. The symptom is the REC LEVEL is correctly set to 0 db but the BIAS will be too high and you won’t be able to get it down to 0 db. Try this: When you set the REC LEVEL, there should be 2 places within the pot/VR adjustment range where you can get the meter to read 0 db. Readjust the record level for each channel to the “other” place on the pot/VR where the meter reads 0 db. You should then be able to adjust the BIAS to 0 db. Good luck. Cheryl From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Peter Tanner Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 2:58 PM To: naktalk naktalk Subject: [naktalk] 582 calibration Hi All, I have acquired some metal tapes recently. TDK MA-X 100's. Some used, some new, still sealed. I am using a 582 which calibrates well for chrome or normal bias tapes generally. This is the first time I've used metal on it and the results are not so good. When I set the record level to 0 db on its 400hz tone then switch to 15 khz for bias the needles swing way over to the right, probably +10 db or more and I am unable to bring them down to 0 db or below. The recordings are too bright to the point of shrilly. If I bring the record level down to -6 or 7 db then the bias can be brought down to about + 2db but it's still too bright and the level is way off. Also, lately the record level goes off on the same tape that has already been set up when the deck is turned on after it's been off for a while. Both chrome and normal. Goes down to about -5 db and cannot be adjusted. Then eventually it goes back up to 0 on its own. As if it needed warming up. Could there be anything wrong with the bias circuit? 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URL: From lasse.pin at gmail.com Tue Feb 22 22:16:27 2011 From: lasse.pin at gmail.com (Lars Tennemo) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 22:16:27 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 480 help Message-ID: Hi! I always thought that hawing a nakamichi was something out in the blue.To expensive and everything. When I found a naks in my neighbor blocks dumpster in a very nice condition.....A nice feeling went through my body.The feeling stayed tune some more time.A Yamaha 3 head deck in mint condition and a Revox B-77 did the feeling a bit electric. Yes,yes I'm a collector from pinball machines,Russian cameras,petrol lighters ,wheel to wheel ,Stereo 8 .......... It's one problem with my 480. The tape lid(I think it's that) is stuck.My Question is(well one of them) it mechanical or does it need eletrical current to work? Hope You understand my question if don't I will try again Please help Sincerely Lars Tennemo SWEDEN -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Tue Feb 22 23:43:00 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 12:43:00 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] 582 calibration In-Reply-To: References: , , , , Message-ID: Peter, I didn't think I could read the schematic when I was trying to fix my 581 - but I did! I located the Dolby switch in the diagram and followed the circuits to see which components were switched into the circuit when Dolby was enabled. I was actually able to pin it down to a specific cap. I'll be darned if replacement of that cap didn't fix my machine! I'm just a hacker but I feel confident enough to try almost anything now. If you are a little bit nerdy you should have no problems. :-) Has the aligned on the record head ever been diddled with? When the nut popped off my left tape guide and screwed up the alignment I had a real mess trying to get the unit to play and record properly with none of the right tools. Even when I did get Willy's alignment tool it was still a learning experience. What I did find was that if the record head wasn't properly aligned then you will have difficulty properly calibrating the RECORD LEVEL and BIAS. You might want to check the record head alignment to be sure. It's pretty easy to do a reasonable job with the built-in tones. Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Peter Tanner Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 3:02 AM To: naktalk naktalk Subject: RE: [naktalk] 582 calibration Hi Cheryl, Thanks for the suggestion however it's easier said than done. I am no expert at reading diagrams and up to now I am unable to find the components for ZX switching. I have changed the two caps as per Willy's advice. The big resistor next to them was running hot intermittently in the record mode so the caps were probably faulty or on their way out. They were orange pp caps.The resistor is cold now (I think it's R 319) and the record level is more stable and the right channel is perfect for bias adjust but the left is still up to +3 db and I can't bring it down to 0 or below if the record level is set at 0 db. So as Willy said there is not enough bias current or something else is wrong but the recordings are much better now with only the left channel sounding a little too bright. So I guess I'll have to live with it until some other suggestions or just use my other deck, a 481Z, for these newly acquired metal tapes. SX and EX are perfect. Thanks anyway Peter _____ From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] 582 calibration Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 08:57:19 -1000 Hi Peter, Bummer. Since you say it seems okay on the EX and SX positions, then in addition to the oscillator caps that Willy suggested, I would get the schematic and trace out what components are switched into the circuit when you set the switch to ZX. Then verify that those components are within specs/functional. Aloha, Cheryl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Tue Feb 22 23:47:31 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 12:47:31 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Tom's Track Alginment Tape Message-ID: Howdy Everyone, I bought the track alignment tape and the azimuth tape from Tom. These are great!!! My old 581 now plays like it did when it was new. It sounds significantly better than my 582 ebay special. On the 581 the tracking tape produces a minimal signal that can only be heard if the volume is all the way up and Dolby is ON. Otherwise the miniscule signal is lost in the tape hiss if Dolby is OFF and volume is max. On the 582 the signal is quite audible at medium volume so it needs adjusting. We've had guests and we are still cleaning house - but after that the 582 gets its turn. First you adjust the azimuth with the 15K hz tape. You need to make sure the signal is the same on each channel. Then you play the tracking tape. The tracking alignment tape is really easy to use - just adjust PH height to minimal signal. I just used the built in meters and headphones to do it (still need to install software on the PC for further tweaking). When you reach minimal signal you will know it because the signal will begin to increase in volume again if you keep adjusting the head in the same direction. Piece of cake! The results were great. They'd probably be even better if I had the right diagnostic tools. Next up is installing the PC audio stuff and learning to use it. Tom, I'll give you a call tomorrow after calibrating the 582. This is so much fun. Aloha, Cheryl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net Wed Feb 23 09:48:14 2011 From: N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net (N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 09:48:14 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] 480 help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1667.145.44.29.96.1298450894.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> Hi Lars, Which part is defect? Is it possible to open the door ? Maybe a picture to my mailbox of the defective part. I have a N480 for parts here. (a black one). Regards Norman Op Di, 22 februari, 2011 10:16 pm schreef Lars Tennemo: > Hi! > I always thought that hawing a nakamichi was something out in the blue.To > expensive and everything. When I found a naks in my neighbor blocks > dumpster in a very nice condition.....A nice feeling went through my > body.The feeling stayed tune some more time.A Yamaha 3 head deck in mint > condition and a Revox B-77 did the feeling a bit electric. Yes,yes I'm a > collector from pinball machines,Russian cameras,petrol lighters ,wheel to > wheel ,Stereo 8 .......... It's one problem with my 480. The tape lid(I > think it's that) is stuck.My Question is(well one of them) it mechanical > or does it need eletrical current to work? Hope You understand my question > if don't I will try again Please help > Sincerely > Lars Tennemo > SWEDEN > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From fergus.cullen at gmail.com Wed Feb 23 08:29:24 2011 From: fergus.cullen at gmail.com (Fergus Cullen) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 07:29:24 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 480 help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I wish I had neighbours like you! On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 9:16 PM, Lars Tennemo wrote: > Hi! > I always thought that hawing a nakamichi was something out in the blue.To > expensive and everything. > When I found a naks in my neighbor blocks dumpster in a very nice > condition.....A nice feeling went through > my body.The feeling stayed tune some more time.A Yamaha 3 head deck in mint > condition and a Revox B-77 did the feeling a bit > electric. Yes,yes I'm a collector from pinball machines,Russian > cameras,petrol lighters ,wheel to wheel ,Stereo 8 .......... > It's one problem with my 480. The tape lid(I think it's that) is stuck.My > Question is(well one of them) it mechanical or does it need eletrical > current to work? > Hope You understand my question if don't I will try again > Please help > Sincerely > Lars Tennemo > SWEDEN > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Wed Feb 23 15:33:35 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 06:33:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 582 calibration In-Reply-To: References: , , , , Message-ID: <923212.67723.qm@web130102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Peter, My schematic of the 582 is also difficult to read, but as far as I can make it, components associated with record calibration are as follows: R707, VR701, R701, C703 R807, VR801, R801, C803 VR706 VR806 All these are located on the the Rec. Cal. PCB. Components designated by VR are trim pots. Components in the 700 series are in the left channel, while those in the 800 group are in the right channel. First, I would visually check the tape switch and make sure it's clean and the ZX contacts make good contact (with Ohm meter). Trim pots can contribute to your problem by going bad, by deterioration of slider contact, or by incorrect adjustment. Start by measuring slider to both ends of all trim pots, comparing the left to right channel values. If one is obviously off kilter, try this: mark slider position, move it lock to lock a couple of times, then put it exactly where it was before; now see if the problem has changed/disappeared. Next step: compare values of all resistors between channels (measuring in circuit). Next step: if you have the means to check capacitors (leakage and values), lift one end of both caps and do it. If this is inconclusive, try to adjust record level. Results for the two channels will probably be wrong, but just determine whether channels are similar. If so, the caps are probably OK. Good luck, -- Ron ________________________________ From: Peter Tanner To: naktalk naktalk Sent: Tue, February 22, 2011 8:01:41 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] 582 calibration Hi Cheryl, Thanks for the suggestion however it's easier said than done. I am no expert at reading diagrams and up to now I am unable to find the components for ZX switching. I have changed the two caps as per Willy's advice. The big resistor next to them was running hot intermittently in the record mode so the caps were probably faulty or on their way out. They were orange pp caps.The resistor is cold now (I think it's R 319) and the record level is more stable and the right channel is perfect for bias adjust but the left is still up to +3 db and I can't bring it down to 0 or below if the record level is set at 0 db. So as Willy said there is not enough bias current or something else is wrong but the recordings are much better now with only the left channel sounding a little too bright. So I guess I'll have to live with it until some other suggestions or just use my other deck, a 481Z, for these newly acquired metal tapes. SX and EX are perfect. Thanks anyway Peter ________________________________ From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] 582 calibration Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 08:57:19 -1000 Hi Peter, Bummer. Since you say it seems okay on the EX and SX positions, then in addition to the oscillator caps that Willy suggested, I would get the schematic and trace out what components are switched into the circuit when you set the switch to ZX. Then verify that those components are within specs/functional. Aloha, Cheryl ________________________________ From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Peter Tanner Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 2:29 PM To: naktalk naktalk Subject: RE: [naktalk] 582 calibration I've tried that, Cheryl, thanks for the advice but it's still the same. Only on metal, ZX position. Got so frustrated that I've made some recordings using these TDK MA-X's on a 481 Z and the results are just fine so the tapes are good. I'd like to use the 582 though. Peter ________________________________ From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] 582 calibration Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 09:58:57 -1000 Hi Peter, I’ve run into this before on both my 581 and 582 and each time it leaves me scratching the old noggin for a few minutes. The symptom is the REC LEVEL is correctly set to 0 db but the BIAS will be too high and you won’t be able to get it down to 0 db. Try this: When you set the REC LEVEL, there should be 2 places within the pot/VR adjustment range where you can get the meter to read 0 db. Readjust the record level for each channel to the “other” place on the pot/VR where the meter reads 0 db. You should then be able to adjust the BIAS to 0 db. Good luck. Cheryl ________________________________ From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Peter Tanner Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 2:58 PM To: naktalk naktalk Subject: [naktalk] 582 calibration Hi All, I have acquired some metal tapes recently. TDK MA-X 100's. Some used, some new, still sealed. I am using a 582 which calibrates well for chrome or normal bias tapes generally. This is the first time I've used metal on it and the results are not so good. When I set the record level to 0 db on its 400hz tone then switch to 15 khz for bias the needles swing way over to the right, probably +10 db or more and I am unable to bring them down to 0 db or below. The recordings are too bright to the point of shrilly. If I bring the record level down to -6 or 7 db then the bias can be brought down to about + 2db but it's still too bright and the level is way off. Also, lately the record level goes off on the same tape that has already been set up when the deck is turned on after it's been off for a while. Both chrome and normal. Goes down to about -5 db and cannot be adjusted. Then eventually it goes back up to 0 on its own. As if it needed warming up. Could there be anything wrong with the bias circuit? Just guessing but it would be great if someone could help with this. 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URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Wed Feb 23 18:30:58 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 07:30:58 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] 480 help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Lars, I'm not familiar with the 480, but if it is anything like the 580 series then the tape door opens by mechanical means. On the 580 series, there is a cable that that operates the cassette door/lid via the eject button and it is prone to problems - namely the plastic hold-down clamp breaks and the eject button no longer works. There are other areas that can fail but the clamp appears to be the most common. If you are familiar with old vehicles then it is similar to a carburetor choke cable. You will need to unscrew the 480 cabinet to get to the inside of the unit in order to fix it. There is a FAQ on the wiki for fixing the 580 series and it might be helpful. Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Lars Tennemo Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 11:16 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 480 help Hi! I always thought that hawing a nakamichi was something out in the blue.To expensive and everything. When I found a naks in my neighbor blocks dumpster in a very nice condition.....A nice feeling went through my body.The feeling stayed tune some more time.A Yamaha 3 head deck in mint condition and a Revox B-77 did the feeling a bit electric. Yes,yes I'm a collector from pinball machines,Russian cameras,petrol lighters ,wheel to wheel ,Stereo 8 .......... It's one problem with my 480. The tape lid(I think it's that) is stuck.My Question is(well one of them) it mechanical or does it need eletrical current to work? 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I am no expert at reading diagrams and up to now I am unable to find the components for ZX switching. I have changed the two caps as per Willy's advice. The big resistor next to them was running hot intermittently in the record mode so the caps were probably faulty or on their way out. They were orange pp caps.The resistor is cold now (I think it's R 319) and the record level is more stable and the right channel is perfect for bias adjust but the left is still up to +3 db and I can't bring it down to 0 or below if the record level is set at 0 db. So as Willy said there is not enough bias current or something else is wrong but the recordings are much better now with only the left channel sounding a little too bright. So I guess I'll have to live with it until some other suggestions or just use my other deck, a 481Z, for these newly acquired metal tapes. SX and EX are perfect. Thanks anyway Peter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se Wed Feb 23 17:11:22 2011 From: paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?P=E4r_Ericsson?=) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 17:11:22 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 480 help References: Message-ID: Hej Lars! The door is operated with a push/pull cable between the eject button and the transport mechanism. In most cases when the door wont open the plastic that holds the cable to the mechanism is brooken. Nakamichi had a service kit to fix this issue. These kits are hard to obtain these days but there are several other solotions for this problem. If you are in the Stockholm area maybe I can help you. Pelle. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lars Tennemo To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 10:16 PM Subject: [naktalk] 480 help Hi! I always thought that hawing a nakamichi was something out in the blue.To expensive and everything. When I found a naks in my neighbor blocks dumpster in a very nice condition.....A nice feeling went through my body.The feeling stayed tune some more time.A Yamaha 3 head deck in mint condition and a Revox B-77 did the feeling a bit electric. Yes,yes I'm a collector from pinball machines,Russian cameras,petrol lighters ,wheel to wheel ,Stereo 8 .......... It's one problem with my 480. The tape lid(I think it's that) is stuck.My Question is(well one of them) it mechanical or does it need eletrical current to work? Hope You understand my question if don't I will try again Please help Sincerely Lars Tennemo SWEDEN ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Wed Feb 23 18:52:34 2011 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 09:52:34 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] 480 help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The classic problem with the 480 series decks is that the stirrup which holds the end of the Bowden cable to open the door breaks. Take the top cover off and check that spot. If it's broken you can open the door by pulling on the exposed part of the Bowden cable at the bottom of the deck. There is a fix for that in Nakamichi service bulletin OOD-SI-3115. Find it at http://download.naks.com/servicebulletins/OOD-SI-3115_breaking_of_eject_linkage_holder.pdf Obviously the Nak service kit is no longer available. Use a washer, bolt and nut. Simple fix. Great find! Guess this means I need to start a dumpster diving hobby. Willy On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Lars Tennemo wrote: > Hi! > I always thought that hawing a nakamichi was something out in the blue.To > expensive and everything. > When I found a naks in my neighbor blocks dumpster in a very nice > condition.....A nice feeling went through > my body.The feeling stayed tune some more time.A Yamaha 3 head deck in mint > condition and a Revox B-77 did the feeling a bit > electric. Yes,yes I'm a collector from pinball machines,Russian > cameras,petrol lighters ,wheel to wheel ,Stereo 8 .......... > It's one problem with my 480. The tape lid(I think it's that) is stuck.My > Question is(well one of them) it mechanical or does it need eletrical > current to work? > Hope You understand my question if don't I will try again > Please help > Sincerely > Lars Tennemo > SWEDEN > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz Wed Feb 23 21:05:22 2011 From: shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz (shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 09:05:22 +1300 (NZDT) Subject: [naktalk] 480 help In-Reply-To: <201102231106.p1NB04an011779@zxe.naks.com> References: <201102231106.p1NB04an011779@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <7581cff0ef9caec6fab1e96f71dc0310.squirrel@my.actrix.co.nz> Lars, The door is probably inoperative as the tape heads are still 'up'. Probably because the mode control belt is worn and the head assembly is still in 'play' position, locking the door mechanism. Take the lid off and look down the back of the transport assembly to the right. You should see a small belt/pulley/motor assembly. Snaffle the 480 service manual from the nakwiki and read up to help guide you. You will need to manually operate this pulley to return the head assembly to the 'stop' position. (Look through the cassette door as you work it.. I can't remember which way to turn it!). Replace the mode control belt, take the door cover off , power up and check the transport operations. Chances are you will have sticky pinch rollers too. good luck, cheers, Martin From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Wed Feb 23 22:34:24 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 11:34:24 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] 480 help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I hope we all find different dumpsters so that we won't have to fight over the treasures. _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Willy Hermann Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 7:53 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] 480 help The classic problem with the 480 series decks is that the stirrup which holds the end of the Bowden cable to open the door breaks. Take the top cover off and check that spot. If it's broken you can open the door by pulling on the exposed part of the Bowden cable at the bottom of the deck. There is a fix for that in Nakamichi service bulletin OOD-SI-3115. Find it at http://download.naks.com/servicebulletins/OOD-SI-3115_breaking_of_eject_link age_holder.pdf Obviously the Nak service kit is no longer available. Use a washer, bolt and nut. Simple fix. Great find! Guess this means I need to start a dumpster diving hobby. Willy On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Lars Tennemo wrote: Hi! I always thought that hawing a nakamichi was something out in the blue.To expensive and everything. When I found a naks in my neighbor blocks dumpster in a very nice condition.....A nice feeling went through my body.The feeling stayed tune some more time.A Yamaha 3 head deck in mint condition and a Revox B-77 did the feeling a bit electric. Yes,yes I'm a collector from pinball machines,Russian cameras,petrol lighters ,wheel to wheel ,Stereo 8 .......... It's one problem with my 480. The tape lid(I think it's that) is stuck.My Question is(well one of them) it mechanical or does it need eletrical current to work? Hope You understand my question if don't I will try again Please help Sincerely Lars Tennemo SWEDEN ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From d_h_gore at yahoo.com Wed Feb 23 22:30:22 2011 From: d_h_gore at yahoo.com (Don Gore) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 13:30:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RE:582 calibration In-Reply-To: <937547.77137.qm@web120717.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <201102231117.p1NB8S3x011801@zxe.naks.com> <937547.77137.qm@web120717.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <537109.49138.qm@web65703.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Nothing wrong with free advice or free nak decks in the dumpster. DG ________________________________ From: Kevin Fetner To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wed, February 23, 2011 9:30:35 AM Subject: [naktalk] RE:582 calibration Or....you could quit playing Russian Roulette (and gleaning for free advice) and just send the deck to be fixed/calibrated by one of the Nak techs here, like most of us have. Just a suggestion.;-) Kevin Message: 1 Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 13:01:41 +0000 From: Peter Tanner Subject: RE: [naktalk] 582 calibration To: naktalk naktalk Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Hi Cheryl, Thanks for the suggestion however it's easier said than done. I am no expert at reading diagrams and up to now I am unable to find the components for ZX switching. I have changed the two caps as per Willy's advice. The big resistor next to them was running hot intermittently in the record mode so the caps were probably faulty or on their way out. They were orange pp caps.The resistor is cold now (I think it's R 319) and the record level is more stable and the right channel is perfect for bias adjust but the left is still up to +3 db and I can't bring it down to 0 or below if the record level is set at 0 db. So as Willy said there is not enough bias current or something else is wrong but the recordings are much better now with only the left channel sounding a little too bright. So I guess I'll have to live with it until some other suggestions or just use my other deck, a 481Z, for these newly acquired metal tapes. SX and EX are perfect. Thanks anyway Peter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Thu Feb 24 18:06:39 2011 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 10:06:39 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Another story on cassettes Message-ID: <000001cbd445$344f1120$9ced3360$@math.utah.edu> http://www.npr.org/blogs/therecord/2011/02/24/133995073/cassette-tapes-get-a -west-coast-rewind?sc=fb&cc=fp Vic From lasse.pin at gmail.com Thu Feb 24 22:33:22 2011 From: lasse.pin at gmail.com (Lars Tennemo) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 22:33:22 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 480 help Message-ID: Thanks for all answers. But what happened was that a friend of mine with very long fingers just turned some wheel and pressed something and Zwwoch the lid was open.Of course i yelled at him and wondered what he was up to.Soon I must realize I've got a working naks in really nice stand.. Once again thanks for the concern Lars ps That I called stereo 8 is of course 8 track tapes ds -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From msisak at Lotek.com Thu Feb 24 15:28:21 2011 From: msisak at Lotek.com (Mitch Sisak) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 09:28:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE:582 calibration In-Reply-To: <8E9F7229645D9540B7EE577A37ED8F460B7374@nm-exch.Lotek.com> References: <201102231117.p1NB8S3x011801@zxe.naks.com> <937547.77137.qm@web120717.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <8E9F7229645D9540B7EE577A37ED8F460B7374@nm-exch.Lotek.com> Message-ID: <8E9F7229645D9540B7EE577A37ED8F460E7A2A@nm-exch.Lotek.com> ________________________________ From: Mitch Sisak Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 3:16 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE:582 calibration I, for one, applaud anyone who does not want to be just an 'appliance user' and tries to learn how their equipment works...or why it does not. The appliance users are the ones filling the landfills with precious resources because a fuse had blown! The power of the Internet is that advice and information are more freely available than at any other time in history. Please let's all take advantage of this fabulous source!! Remember, as long as there are no dangers involved, and given that time and efficiency are not the primary goals, there is absolutely nothing wrong with Russian roulette troubleshooting...also known as the "shotgun approach" to repair! If you are meticulous, I would say there is even the potential for more learning using this method though the knowledge gained can come at a much greater price. I think anyone doing repairs long enough has had at least one "why did I do that" moments as the "magic smoke" escapes a newly expired component! Mitch ________________________________ From: Kevin Fetner [mailto:shoeihell at yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 9:31 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] RE:582 calibration Or....you could quit playing Russian Roulette (and gleaning for free advice) and just send the deck to be fixed/calibrated by one of the Nak techs here, like most of us have. Just a suggestion.;-) Kevin Message: 1 Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 13:01:41 +0000 From: Peter Tanner > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 582 calibration To: naktalk naktalk Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Hi Cheryl, Thanks for the suggestion however it's easier said than done. I am no expert at reading diagrams and up to now I am unable to find the components for ZX switching. I have changed the two caps as per Willy's advice. The big resistor next to them was running hot intermittently in the record mode so the caps were probably faulty or on their way out. They were orange pp caps.The resistor is cold now (I think it's R 319) and the record level is more stable and the right channel is perfect for bias adjust but the left is still up to +3 db and I can't bring it down to 0 or below if the record level is set at 0 db. So as Willy said there is not enough bias current or something else is wrong but the recordings are much better now with only the left channel sounding a little too bright. So I guess I'll have to live with it until some other suggestions or just use my other deck, a 481Z, for these newly acquired metal tapes. SX and EX are perfect. Thanks anyway Peter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Thu Feb 24 15:43:09 2011 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 06:43:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 96, Issue 22 In-Reply-To: <201102241117.p1OB8UkH015512@zxe.naks.com> References: <201102241117.p1OB8UkH015512@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <799888.60808.qm@web120707.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Yeah, free advice is great. But the op, Peter, says he's not that technically inclined. And further, if you want an old Nak to record and playback like it did from the factory, it needs to be calibtated and aligned. And that's done by the guys with the fancy jigs, alignment tapes, SM's and knowledge. Anything less and you're just endlessly diddling around with an old deck. Kevin Message: 9 Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 13:30:22 -0800 (PST) From: Don Gore Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE:582 calibration To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <537109.49138.qm at web65703.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Nothing wrong with free advice or free nak decks in the dumpster. DG -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dball1 at woh.rr.com Fri Feb 25 01:15:03 2011 From: dball1 at woh.rr.com (Dennis Ball) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 19:15:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 96, Issue 22 In-Reply-To: <799888.60808.qm@web120707.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <201102241117.p1OB8UkH015512@zxe.naks.com> <799888.60808.qm@web120707.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: ...you're just endlessly diddling around with an old deck. Yep, I've made a hobby of it! =;-) In my case it's deck(s). Dennis On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 9:43 AM, Kevin Fetner wrote: > Yeah, free advice is great. But the op, Peter, says he's not that > technically inclined. And further, if you want an old Nak to record and > playback like it did from the factory, it needs to be calibtated and > aligned. And that's done by the guys with the fancy jigs, alignment tapes, > SM's and knowledge. Anything less and you're just endlessly diddling around > with an old deck. > > Kevin > > > Message: 9 > Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 13:30:22 -0800 (PST) > From: Don Gore > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE:582 calibration > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <537109.49138.qm at web65703.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Nothing wrong with free advice or free nak decks in the dumpster. > > DG > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jesse http://www.wbez.org/episode-segments/old-school-media-finds-new-life-plustapes --- On Thu, 2/24/11, Victor Gabrenas wrote: From: Victor Gabrenas Subject: [naktalk] Another story on cassettes To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Thursday, February 24, 2011, 12:06 PM http://www.npr.org/blogs/therecord/2011/02/24/133995073/cassette-tapes-get-a -west-coast-rewind?sc=fb&cc=fp Vic ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Fri Feb 25 15:59:23 2011 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 06:59:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RE:582 calibration In-Reply-To: <201102251118.p1PB94ND019777@zxe.naks.com> References: <201102251118.p1PB94ND019777@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <641355.7393.qm@web120716.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> You're missing the point of course and just thrusting out your chest. I've been reading in these forums for yrs. The 'majority' of posters that come in here are folks who found a Nak at a thrift store or bought one off ebay...all of which have some sort of problem that renders them far from factory record of playback...or they are inoperative. Some posters already have some technical knowledge and with the help of some very patient techs, work throw the problems-just the problems. Many others never get that far or work through one problem and then more problems crop up....this is the 'classic' case. The OP Peter, was reluctant to go further by reading schematics and such, but the advice continued. That's great, but he (and a lot of the rest of you) need to realize that you're just tinkering with old decks. Nothing wrong with that, but if you want them to sound and perform like they did from the factory (even after you tinker with them and think they're fine), you owe it to the marque to have a tech calibrate and align the decks....that was my point. And my other point was why push somebody not mechanically and electrically inclined to keep going? There's a very good chance that they could do even more damage. Another school of thought is that if you buy these decks cheap enough, what is the harm in tinkering 'to learn'? Nothing, except your expectations to have a fine machine again are unreasonable and the machines deserve better. Give your egos a rest and give the techs some credit for the very fine work they do and appreciate how they can bring these machines back from the brink. And Mitch, the term "shotgun approach" and "meticulous" are two terms that don't belong together in the same technique. If you are meticulous, you have a SM and some electronic/trouble shooting knowledge and proceed forward. The "shotgun approach" makes everyone groan because it implies substituting parts at random, looking for loose or broken wires, cold solder joints and/or hoping to find something so obvious that your average ten yr old could also find it. They're your decks, do whatever you want, but eventually most wind up back for sale and many of them have been just 'hacked'......like on ebay.;-) Kevin From: Mitch Sisak Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 3:16 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE:582 calibration I, for one, applaud anyone who does not want to be just an 'appliance user' and tries to learn how their equipment works...or why it does not. The appliance users are the ones filling the landfills with precious resources because a fuse had blown! The power of the Internet is that advice and information are more freely available than at any other time in history. Please let's all take advantage of this fabulous source!! Remember, as long as there are no dangers involved, and given that time and efficiency are not the primary goals, there is absolutely nothing wrong with Russian roulette troubleshooting...also known as the "shotgun approach" to repair! If you are meticulous, I would say there is even the potential for more learning using this method though the knowledge gained can come at a much greater price. I think anyone doing repairs long enough has had at least one "why did I do that" moments as the "magic smoke" escapes a newly expired component! Mitch -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Fri Feb 25 21:05:42 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 10:05:42 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] For those who are interested in Tom's Tracking Tape In-Reply-To: <733503.6903.qm@web83713.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <000001cbd445$344f1120$9ced3360$@math.utah.edu> <733503.6903.qm@web83713.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Here’s an email exchange with Tom regarding the results of using his tape. Aloha, Cheryl ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Hi Tom, I wasn’t sure what I was supposed to do with the 400 hz tape since that was what I used to adjust the head height before I got your tracking tape. I kind of figured it meant something significant when both the 581 and 582 showed both channels at 0 DB with the 400 hz tape – but I didn’t know what the significance was. Way cool! I installed a trial copy of Audio Tester on my desktop and am still playing with it. I also installed a simple freeware level meter on my laptop and played with it and the tracking tape. It had me scratching my head for a bit as it kept showing the right channel as 2-3 DB higher than the left channel. Then I disconnected the tape player and found out that it was the inherent noise level on the cheap, built-in laptop sound card – the right channel noise was 2-3 DB higher than the left. If I get a chance today I’ll install the freeware on the desktop since it has a much better sound card. At any rate, using the computer made it a lot easier to check the output of the tape deck and it verified that calibrating the playback head height with your tracking tape got the head height to the highest maximum output for both channels. The tracking tape is so much easier than trying to calibrate the playback head height with the 400 hz tape. Even someone with no real knowledge or understanding could properly set the PH height with just a few basic instructions. Yikes, that might be me!!! Both the 581 and 582 are sounding great. Of course, I went back and tweaked the record head in light of the new calibration on the playback head. And it looks like the very long back-ordered WIMA caps finally came in and will be shipped next week. That means I can replace the giant temp trial caps with the proper ones and fix the saggy idler arms. With lots of help from Perry, Willy, and you, I went from one broken deck to three great decks. Whoppee! Talk to you later. Thanks so much for your help! Cheryl _____ From: Thomas Mageras [mailto:thomas_mageras at byu.edu] Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 5:43 AM To: Cheryl Kaupp Subject: RE: 582 and tracking tape Hi Cheryl, This is all great news. The level tape is to get your playback level pots on the main board exact regardless of tape head height. Yours must be right on since they read the same and both say 0dB. You will find out for sure if the deck has any slight error when you acquire a T-100 but it will be so slight it probably won’t matter [the meters could be mismatched ever so little in the deck that the actual output could change a small amount but would be less than ½ dB at the most]. This is one of the first adjustments when aligning a deck and a full track recording makes it simple. If you use a 2track stereo recording and height is off, you will get some error. I would like it if you post your response on Nak talk and if anyone inquires you could give them my email. I may call tonight just to talk to you as I am excited about what you have gotten done to this point. The tracking tape is awesome news as you can tell people how easy it is even without a T-100 and the results you have gotten with very little effort. Thanks--Tom From: Cheryl Kaupp [mailto:kaupp240 at hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 4:29 PM To: Thomas Mageras Subject: 582 and tracking tape Hi Tom, I haven’t called because I caught some yucky bug and have been down for the count I did calibrate the 582 with the tracking tape and it made a big difference. It now sounds as least as good as the 581 if not a teeny bit better. After calibrating it, the occasional meter spikes completely went away, so it appears that being out of calibration was causing the spikes. Just for the heck of it I watched the whole tracking tape play AFTER setting the head height and it never spiked again. I do have one question: Since I’m using the tracking tape to set the PH height, what do I use the 400 hz tape for? I did plop it in after calibrating with the tracking tape. What I noticed was that both channels were showing equal signals on the vu-meters and both signals were exactly at 0 DB. This happened on both the 581 and 582. Is that what is supposed to happen? The tracking tape is the cat’s meow!!! Every tech should own one. If a person is short on tools (no scope, no T100, etc) it is much easier to set the PH height with the tracking tape than it is to try and set it with the 400 hz tape using the built-in vu-meters. In fact it is so much easier that anyone could do it. Feel free to quote me. Aloha, Cheryl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Fri Feb 25 21:09:56 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 10:09:56 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 96, Issue 22 In-Reply-To: References: <201102241117.p1OB8UkH015512@zxe.naks.com><799888.60808.qm@web120707.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: It's my new hobby too - and I needed another hobby like I need a new hole in my head. Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Ball Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 2:15 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 96, Issue 22 ...you're just endlessly diddling around with an old deck. Yep, I've made a hobby of it! =;-) In my case it's deck(s). Dennis On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 9:43 AM, Kevin Fetner wrote: Yeah, free advice is great. But the op, Peter, says he's not that technically inclined. And further, if you want an old Nak to record and playback like it did from the factory, it needs to be calibtated and aligned. And that's done by the guys with the fancy jigs, alignment tapes, SM's and knowledge. Anything less and you're just endlessly diddling around with an old deck. Kevin Message: 9 Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 13:30:22 -0800 (PST) From: Don Gore Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE:582 calibration To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <537109.49138.qm at web65703.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Nothing wrong with free advice or free nak decks in the dumpster. DG ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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More reason why we need to fight to keep NPR and PBS! > Jesse > > > http://www.wbez.org/episode-segments/old-school-media-finds-new-life-plustapes > > --- On *Thu, 2/24/11, Victor Gabrenas * wrote: > > > From: Victor Gabrenas > Subject: [naktalk] Another story on cassettes > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Date: Thursday, February 24, 2011, 12:06 PM > > > > http://www.npr.org/blogs/therecord/2011/02/24/133995073/cassette-tapes-get-a > -west-coast-rewind?sc=fb&cc=fp > > Vic > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.commailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From d_h_gore at yahoo.com Sat Feb 26 01:20:24 2011 From: d_h_gore at yahoo.com (Don Gore) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 16:20:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 96, Issue 22 In-Reply-To: References: <201102241117.p1OB8UkH015512@zxe.naks.com><799888.60808.qm@web120707.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <606620.27037.qm@web65707.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> (Diddling) OR you are fixing a detectable fault which may cost very little money. The deck may not need alignment. Since the decks are old having a pro fix and align does not at all imply the deck will be reliable. ________________________________ From: Cheryl Kaupp To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Fri, February 25, 2011 3:09:56 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 96, Issue 22 It’s my new hobby too – and I needed another hobby like I need a new hole in my head. Aloha, Cheryl ________________________________ From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Ball Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 2:15 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 96, Issue 22 ...you're just endlessly diddling around with an old deck. Yep, I've made a hobby of it! =;-) In my case it's deck(s). Dennis On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 9:43 AM, Kevin Fetner wrote: Yeah, free advice is great. But the op, Peter, says he's not that technically inclined. And further, if you want an old Nak to record and playback like it did from the factory, it needs to be calibtated and aligned. And that's done by the guys with the fancy jigs, alignment tapes, SM's and knowledge. Anything less and you're just endlessly diddling around with an old deck. Kevin Message: 9 Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 13:30:22 -0800 (PST) From: Don Gore Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE:582 calibration To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <537109.49138.qm at web65703.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Nothing wrong with free advice or free nak decks in the dumpster. DG ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dgb100 at psu.edu Sat Feb 26 14:22:12 2011 From: dgb100 at psu.edu (Beckner, Derrick) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 08:22:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Another story on cassettes In-Reply-To: References: <000001cbd445$344f1120$9ced3360$@math.utah.edu> <733503.6903.qm@web83713.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>, Message-ID: Daisy Chaining together a bunch of cheap Goodwill decks probably won't make them a go to recording company for hi fidelity. The collectibility seems to be the draw. ________________________________ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Chris Rinewalt [chris.rinewalt at gmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 12:25 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Another story on cassettes The only problem with the one featuring the west coast based label was that they loved cassettes because of the "low fidelity" and their do-it-on-the-cheap aesthetic. Pretty much the opposite view of those here. What does it say about a band if the format one specifically releases music is "intentionally" sonically crippled? On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 4:20 PM, jesse ruff > wrote: Yea, Here's another great one from NPR about a Chicago-local label Plustapes that's been releasing local artists on customized tapes--pretty dope if you ask me. More reason why we need to fight to keep NPR and PBS! Jesse http://www.wbez.org/episode-segments/old-school-media-finds-new-life-plustapes --- On Thu, 2/24/11, Victor Gabrenas > wrote: From: Victor Gabrenas > Subject: [naktalk] Another story on cassettes To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Date: Thursday, February 24, 2011, 12:06 PM http://www.npr.org/blogs/therecord/2011/02/24/133995073/cassette-tapes-get-a -west-coast-rewind?sc=fb&cc=fp Vic ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From d_h_gore at yahoo.com Sat Feb 26 14:35:45 2011 From: d_h_gore at yahoo.com (Don Gore) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 05:35:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Another story on cassettes In-Reply-To: References: <000001cbd445$344f1120$9ced3360$@math.utah.edu> <733503.6903.qm@web83713.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <418979.46066.qm@web65713.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> It could also be that since a lot of kids just copy digital media so easily that selling on an analog media requires some work to copy. At least they get something. If it includes art or special things like when Records had posters then that is a plus for the Artist. If they make really good copies some people will pay. Good Idea in these times. ________________________________ From: Chris Rinewalt To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Fri, February 25, 2011 12:25:51 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Another story on cassettes The only problem with the one featuring the west coast based label was that they loved cassettes because of the "low fidelity" and their do-it-on-the-cheap aesthetic. Pretty much the opposite view of those here. What does it say about a band if the format one specifically releases music is "intentionally" sonically crippled? On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 4:20 PM, jesse ruff wrote: Yea, >Here's another great one from NPR about a Chicago-local label Plustapes that's >been releasing local artists on customized tapes--pretty dope if you ask me. >More reason why we need to fight to keep NPR and PBS! >Jesse > >http://www.wbez.org/episode-segments/old-school-media-finds-new-life-plustapes > >--- On Thu, 2/24/11, Victor Gabrenas wrote: > > >>From: Victor Gabrenas >>Subject: [naktalk] Another story on cassettes >>To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >>Date: Thursday, February 24, 2011, 12:06 PM >> >> >> >>http://www.npr.org/blogs/therecord/2011/02/24/133995073/cassette-tapes-get-a >>-west-coast-rewind?sc=fb&cc=fp >> >>Vic >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeruff at yahoo.com Sat Feb 26 15:19:41 2011 From: jeruff at yahoo.com (jesse ruff) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 06:19:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Another story on cassettes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <272019.51532.qm@web83706.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Yea, It depends on the purpose--personally I'm also into tapes and tape-decks for the recycling factor.  And I like the idea of personalizing the tape for the consumer--of course it's not exactly realistic, but it stands in such blaring contrast to the robotic way we usually receive music, it becomes partly an artistic statement.  I could envision providing customers options on the fidelity of the recording they receive, further customizing the product (i.e. choose the deck you want your tape mastered on--680ZX, MR-1, etc.)  At any rate, both "labels" seem like people tape enthusiasts such as Nak-talkers would want to align themselves with at least in the name of keeping the format alive. Jesse  --- On Sat, 2/26/11, Beckner, Derrick wrote: From: Beckner, Derrick Subject: RE: [naktalk] Another story on cassettes To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Saturday, February 26, 2011, 8:22 AM Daisy Chaining together a bunch of cheap Goodwill decks probably won't make them a go to recording company for hi fidelity.  The collectibility seems to be the draw. ________________________________ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Chris Rinewalt [chris.rinewalt at gmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 12:25 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Another story on cassettes The only problem with the one featuring the west coast based label was that they loved cassettes because of the "low fidelity" and their do-it-on-the-cheap aesthetic. Pretty much the opposite view of those here. What does it say about a band if the format one specifically releases music is "intentionally" sonically crippled? On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 4:20 PM, jesse ruff > wrote: Yea, Here's another great one from NPR about a Chicago-local label Plustapes that's been releasing local artists on customized tapes--pretty dope if you ask me.  More reason why we need to fight to keep NPR and PBS! Jesse http://www.wbez.org/episode-segments/old-school-media-finds-new-life-plustapes --- On Thu, 2/24/11, Victor Gabrenas > wrote: From: Victor Gabrenas > Subject: [naktalk] Another story on cassettes To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Date: Thursday, February 24, 2011, 12:06 PM http://www.npr.org/blogs/therecord/2011/02/24/133995073/cassette-tapes-get-a -west-coast-rewind?sc=fb&cc=fp Vic ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeruff at yahoo.com Sat Feb 26 15:28:20 2011 From: jeruff at yahoo.com (jesse ruff) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 06:28:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Another story on cassettes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <99763.42645.qm@web83701.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I guess to each is own on that one--again, use of the format is what's cool.  If even a small number of labels begin to release (or would release) music on tape, might that not increase the chances of somebody making tapes/machines again?  And I'm with the group on the challenge and fun of squeezing so much out of a tape (in terms of fidelity), but I also have gotten much enjoyment from listening to tapes that are a bit hissy and low-fi.  I have a Van Morrison tape, "Hard Nose the Highway" that's been played to death and still sounds beautifully crappy on the right boombox.  I can't explain it, but why fight it? --- On Fri, 2/25/11, Chris Rinewalt wrote: From: Chris Rinewalt Subject: Re: [naktalk] Another story on cassettes To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Friday, February 25, 2011, 12:25 PM The only problem with the one featuring the west coast based label was that they loved cassettes because of the "low fidelity" and their do-it-on-the-cheap aesthetic. Pretty much the opposite view of those here. What does it say about a band if the format one specifically releases music is "intentionally" sonically crippled? On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 4:20 PM, jesse ruff wrote: Yea, Here's another great one from NPR about a Chicago-local label Plustapes that's been releasing local artists on customized tapes--pretty dope if you ask me.  More reason why we need to fight to keep NPR and PBS! 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Happy new year for all members of Naka forum...Best regards, Cristian. --- On Sat, 1/1/11, Norman van Wijnen wrote: From: Norman van Wijnen Subject: [naktalk] Happy New Year everybody To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Saturday, January 1, 2011, 2:34 PM The best wishes for 2011  Norman -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Many thanks! *andy* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 2 07:29:24 2011 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 22:29:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 lost record In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <772203.22290.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks Cheryl.  I live in No. California so postage should be nil. Happy new year!  Bob N --- On Fri, 12/31/10, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: From: Cheryl Kaupp Subject: RE: [naktalk] LX-5 lost record To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Friday, December 31, 2010, 1:13 PM There are also these at Mouser:   http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/WIMA/FKS2-4700-100-5/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtOnGahBoN8MOt6PnSNvySKBti0xms%252bbus%3d   I don’t know where you live, but for Hawaii the biggest issue is postage. Mouser only ships Priority Mail to Hawaii , Digi-Key will ship First Class. They take the same amount of time but first class is about 1/3 the cost and Digi-Key charges the actual postage. The caps are cheaper than the postage.   Because of postage costing more than the caps, I ordered at least 2 times as many of each cap as I needed and then matched them up in pairs with a digital meter.   Aloha, Cheryl   From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Willy Hermann Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 10:01 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-5 lost record   Ordering two up will probably be expensive but try Digi-Key part number 495-1178-ND   Willy On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Bob Naylor wrote: Are these 4700pf caps hard to find?  The only electronics store near is Radio Shack and they had nothing near that value so I guess I'll have to order some.  Nice electronic stores are getting to be a thing of the past. 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URL: From paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se Sun Jan 2 19:46:20 2011 From: paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se (=?utf-8?Q?P=C3=A4r_Ericsson?=) Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 19:46:20 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] SEARCH YOUR PARTS DECKS, PLEASE! References: <941765752.696634.1293938081588.JavaMail.root@sz0075a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <45E0EBE1E90D41E39EEECD6FA0DA0426@superdator> Check out this E-bay listing/Pelle http://cgi.ebay.com/motore-motorino-12v-DC-MMI-6H2LWK-12-volt-singapore-92-/280604912350?pt=Videocamere&hash=item41555b2ade ----- Original Message ----- From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 4:14 AM Subject: [naktalk] SEARCH YOUR PARTS DECKS, PLEASE! Hello! This post is probably more appropriate in the naktalk "pro" section, but I can't remember the e-mail address. Sorry! Webmaster, please move it if you need to, thanks! I need you all to search your parts decks for a certain capstan motor. This motor will NOT be found in a Nakamichi deck. The motor runs on 12 volts DC and has the following part number on the back of it: MMI-6H2LWK The part number is clearly visible printed on a little paper label that is stuck to the back of the motor case. This same motor is found in decks from a variety of manufacturers. Any help in obtaining a working motor of this description will be much appreciated! Many thanks! *andy* ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From iowa_hawk1 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 3 05:57:33 2011 From: iowa_hawk1 at yahoo.com (Larry Sachs) Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 20:57:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] SEARCH YOUR PARTS DECKS, PLEASE! In-Reply-To: <941765752.696634.1293938081588.JavaMail.root@sz0075a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <454419.43102.qm@web84105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Would this help? http://www.donberg.ie/catalogue/audio_spares/audio_motors/am_842.html   or this? http://www.encompassparts.com/products/?JVCMMI6H2LWK-SA5 --- On Sat, 1/1/11, hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net Subject: [naktalk] SEARCH YOUR PARTS DECKS, PLEASE! To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Saturday, January 1, 2011, 10:14 PM #yiv79611695 {height:100%;color:#000000;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial;} Hello! This post is probably more appropriate in the naktalk "pro" section, but I can't remember the e-mail address. Sorry! Webmaster, please move it if you need to, thanks! I need you all to search your parts decks for a certain capstan motor. This motor will NOT be found in a Nakamichi deck. The motor runs on 12 volts DC and has the following part number on the back of it: MMI-6H2LWK The part number is clearly visible printed on a little paper label that is stuck to the back of the motor case. This same motor is found in decks from a variety of manufacturers. 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URL: From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 4 01:59:18 2011 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 16:59:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] The Story of My First Nakamichi In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <945575.14678.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Julie, That's why you need about 5! Bob N --- On Wed, 12/29/10, Julie Kessler wrote: From: Julie Kessler Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Story of My First Nakamichi To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, December 29, 2010, 5:47 PM Hey, thanks for your insights, Ron! I will go back and re-visit the MR-1 next chance I get. The thing I find really awesome is that I like a lot of different sounds, and it's hard to settle on just one! Sometimes I like the "accurate" sound, sometimes I like the "warm" sound best. Depends on my mood. And on the music. Uh oh, what does that mean if I'm in  a warm mood versus an analytical or accurate mood! Oh dear. Then trying to pick which shoes go best with which sound, that's the really tough choice! On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 8:56 AM, Ron wrote: > I didn't really care for the MR-1 and the BX-2... These two are fairly different, Julie. The BX-2 is an 'entry level' deck, with no pretension to either super sound quality or high end features. The MR-1 is a better deck (3 head, off tape monitoring, dual capstan, tape lifter, etc., etc.). Sonic character of the MR-1 tends to 'cool', 'analytical', 'accurate', as opposed to, say, the Dragon 'warm' sound`. > I want a CR-7 next... If you didn't like the MR-1 (or for the same sounding bx-300) you may wish to audition CR-7 again. While better sounding than the MR-1 (but not by a whole lot) and laden with high-end features (most notably, adjustable PB azimuth and auto record calibration) sound character is similar to the MR-1. I love it -- which is why I own one -- but I know that some do not. Just as some enjoy LPs while others prefer CDs. -- Ron From: Dennis Orr To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, December 28, 2010 7:49:00 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Story of My First Nakamichi Great stories, Julie!  Where abouts are you guys located?  I can't see an address on the studio's website. ----- Original Message ----- From: Julie Kessler To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 5:31 PM Subject: [naktalk] The Story of My First Nakamichi Hi Fellow Naktalkers! I'm celebrating! I finally got my first Nakamichi last week, and my first reel-to-reel, and my first turntable and cartridge! It was a really, really hard choice, and I have a feeling I'll be adding to my new tape deck collection as soon as I've finished my internship in April. So which Nak did I get? You have to read through my "How I  Discovered Nakamichi" story to find out! I never thought I'd own a cassette deck and had never heard of Nakamichi. You know, I have been an intern in 3 studios now. It's been frustrating because I got out of college and started an internship with one studio wanting to learn audio and be more than just a glorified coffee girl. The first studio went bankrupt during my internship and I never got the chance to learn anything because I mainly just got stuck on the phone to help the studio duck bill collectors and angry clients. The second studio was really impressive looking with the pretty decor and its big Protools setup, but the house engineer really didn't teach his interns anything, he just would brag to the interns in between sending us off for cables or coffee or to do website updates and such.   He would sit around and rag on audiophiles, calling them "audiophools" and laughing at anyone who owned a cassette deck or turntable as, well, I can't print the names he'd use here. He'd also said repeatedly that anyone who likes analog sound (records or tapes) is an tone-deaf, tin-ear, ignorant idiot who likes to listen to noise and distortion instead of music. I found out that all he wanted of us female interns was what he wasn't getting from his wife. I quit. I like to hang out anywhere there's live music, and chat up the guys who look like they know something about music or recording. So one day I heard from some older guys (relatively speaking) that a studio from the 1970s and 1980s was starting back up, really old-school big label sound, and that they would be looking for interns. They all spoke like the engineer was some sort of legend and seemed really excited that the studio was coming back. I applied for an internship, figuring maybe this time I'd be somewhere I'd learn something. and it was close to home too. I wasn't sure I get it, but I did, because all the interns had to be able to play an instrument and I play guitar, so that was a big help. Okay, so imagine my first day: I show up (with a bit of dread I admit), and the first thing I see are a whole bunch of analog reel-to-reel tape decks and cassette decks. The studio has several Nakamichi 600, 600-II and 550; in fact, apparently Kermit (studio owner) has a reputation of preferring those models. I groaned inside! Cassettes! Really?  I almost walked out and quit, remembering what the previous studio engineer said about analog tape. so later that day, we interns got our first assignments, which was to do some field recordings. That really excited me, here it was the first day and I was going to learn some audio stuff and be able to make some recordings. But then, after some instruction on basic recording and a weird 3-mike setup called "The Bird's Foot," we got issued field recorders. I got issued a Nakamichi 550 portable cassette, (as did two other interns) and I'll confess I almost cried. Honestly, I thought to myself, "Great, I'm the girl and they're dissing me with this crappy cassette deck!" Especially since two other interns got issued portable reel-to-reels (a Uher and a Wollensak). But I held myself together and did my project. By now I was angry and had decided I "was going to show that so-and-so male chauvinist engineer I can do good work even if I got stuck with a cassette!," as I told my roommate later on. Well, you know, the project was really easy, and to my shock the Nak 550  sounded awesome, and that got me excited and I decided I was really going to take advantage of this opportunity and learn as much as I could. The next day, during the Q&A session I asked where I could go to learn more about audio, and among the long list of resources Naktalk was a recommended stop. Plus one of my first tasks was to promote the album I was crew and Naktalk was also recommended as a place to stop by and mention the album. By the way, I found out later that during the first day we interns got sized up and the 3 of us who were issued the Nakamichi 550 were those who kerit felt had the best talent; it was a compliment, not a dis as I though. The guys who got dissed were the two who got issued the Uher and Wollensak! OKAY, so now I've put you to sleep, so DRUM ROLL: Which Nak did I get? It was really, really hard to decide! I like the sound of the Nakamichi Dragon, 100, 500, 550, 600, 700, CR-5, CR7, 680ZX, 581, but I admit I didn't really care for the MR-1 and the BX-2. Also liked the Revox B710, wasn't impressed with the B215 and really didn't like the sound of any of the Pioneer, Technics, Teac, Onkyo, Tascam, Sharp, or Yamaha cassette decks, although the Yamaha TC-800GL is nice but not as nice as the Nakamichis. Listen to me, she talks like a real connoisseur! Okay, okay, deep breath:  My first Nak is a Nakamichi 550 cassette because of two reasons: I'm already used to using it and I know that I can get it fixed here at the studio if needs be. When I bought it it was one of those eBay "it lights up but I have no tape to test it" descriptions. It didn't record, and the flutter-and-wow was terrible. Shocker, right?  Next I got a Revox A77 Dolby Mk. III off Craigslist, and when I walked in with it I got mobbed by people wanting to buy it from me. I didn't know they were rare because Kermit's personal tape deck is a Revox A77 Dolby Mk. IV. I figured that must be the way Revox A77's are because cassette decks have Dolby. Oh, the Revox didn't work, either. Kermit was really great to take an afternoon out of his time and fix my Nakamichi 550 and the Revox A77 Dolby. It was really awesome all of us interns sitting around and Kermit giving a running monologue on the recorders' parts, what's wrong, how to diagnose the problem how to fix it and so on. We needed one of those big overhead lights like surgeons have and the thing that beeps with the heart rate ... sorry, it's the blondness going overactive again. An awesome learning experience, I never knew there was so much crammed into a tape deck. Oh, the Nakamichi 550 needed belts, a diode and in the power supply, and the PCB sockets and REC/PLAY mode switch cleaned. The Revox A77 needed a whole lot of work, it was almost a wreck! I can't believe it only took 2 hours to fix both decks and while he was working he did some upgrades to both tape deck's mike amplifiers and to the Revox's playback amps. I want a CR-7 next, but I keep getting outbid on eBay for them. Eventually, though! I do have room for it, because I sold my Beanie Babies to make room for the Nakamichi, Revox and turntable. -- -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! 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URL: From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 4 03:08:19 2011 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 18:08:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 lost record In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <589027.80085.qm@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Willy, I think I would just order ten.  I was just curious about those others in the other e-mail I sent you.  Bob N PS  I could probably drive 40 miles and buy one in person!  Time is critical tho! --- On Fri, 12/31/10, Willy Hermann wrote: From: Willy Hermann Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-5 lost record To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Friday, December 31, 2010, 12:00 PM Ordering two up will probably be expensive but try Digi-Key part number 495-1178-ND Willy On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Bob Naylor wrote: Are these 4700pf caps hard to find?  The only electronics store near is Radio Shack and they had nothing near that value so I guess I'll have to order some.  Nice electronic stores are getting to be a thing of the past. Bob N --- On Fri, 12/24/10, Willy Hermann wrote: From: Willy Hermann Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-5 lost record To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Friday, December 24, 2010, 9:01 AM Hi Bob - You caught me traveling for the holiday.  I'll get you the Mouser part number once back home.  The frequency of the bias oscillator should be at least checked after changing the caps but in my experience if the bias frequency is within 20% all is fine! Willy On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Bob Naylor wrote: Thanks Willy.  Would I have to do another bias adjustment after wards?  Any type of cap OK? Bob N --- On Thu, 12/23/10, Willy Hermann wrote: From: Willy Hermann Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-5 lost record To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, December 23, 2010, 7:45 AM First suspects are the two 4700pf orange drop caps near the bias coil.  Change them anyway even if they're OK.Willy On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 10:06 AM, Bob Naylor wrote: My LX-5 lost it's recording.  What is the best way to determine if the problem is in the bias circuit or the audio circuit?  During recording, in the "source" position, I hear audio, in the "monitor" position I only hear light static and an occasional crackle. This problem happened instantly.  The deck was recording and stopped with the above symptoms.  Playback is still fine.  Any opinions? 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Oh, and its the first of 3 tape formulations we'll be introducing this year: Khrome (now), Khobalt and Khromax. Sorry, there are no plans yet for a metal particle tape, though it's being worked on. For now, until sales pick up, it's just C90's, but I think C60's are going to be available soon. Kermit wanted the Khrome cassette to sound like the old 1970s BASF Chromdioxid II, but quieter and with smoother, warmer high. The BASF has sort of hard sounding highs. (I got to hear NOS BASF tapes). Another thing is that Kermit wanted the tape to not only sound awesome on high-end cassette decks, but to make cheaper casssettre decks sound better than the yusually sound. that's why we tested the tapes on cheaper decks as well as high-end makes. They seem quiet to me, and can take high recording peaks cleanly, assuming a good cassette deck, of course. The specs are: a. 10kHz +0.5dB Frequency Response, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at 300 Hz. b. 10kHz, -6.5dB Maximum Output Level, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at 300 Hz. c. 1700 Gauss Retentivity. d. 380 Oersteds Coercivity. e. 58 dB Signal-To-Noise Ratio, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at 300 Hz. f. +4.5 dB to +8.5 dB Peak Recording Levels, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at 300 Hz. (Oh, and those measurements are averaged from how the tape performs on a Nakamichi 600-II, Nakamichi 680ZX, Revox B710 Mk. II, and Pioneer CT-F9191.) I got to be part of this R&D project and really jumped at the chance because it meant that I'd get to listen to a lot of different cassette decks. Getting paid for listening to cassette decks is a dream job! It's for sale now for $7.99 USD each, or $39.95 for a 6-pack, or $59.95 for a 10 pack. Right now, we just have a small quantity because we want to see how it sells before we authorize full-scale production. It's my job to put the labels and tape cases together, and I goofed on the design of the J-cards. So the first ones may not have J-cards, but I'll send blank ones and when I get the printed ones fixed I'll send them along if you want them. Oh, and they were supposed to be shrink wrapped, but I asked if we could not shrink wrap them to save the plastic waste, and it was agreed. (I knew I should have waited until next week to go on vacation!) On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Tim and Pam Sepper wrote: > Just saw this new tape Khrome by KVG Labs and wondering if anybody has any > pros or cons about it yet? Similar to TDK/Maxell type II formulations? > High headroom? 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URL: From laurenh at gmail.com Thu Jan 6 00:02:32 2011 From: laurenh at gmail.com (Lauren Horn) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 14:02:32 -0900 Subject: [naktalk] Khrome tape by KVG Labs In-Reply-To: References: <000301cbabc9$694002d0$3bc00870$@net> Message-ID: I'd certainly like to try a couple of those tapes, but the one thing I couldn't tease out of your message or the KVG Labs web site is how to actually purchase them. : ) On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Julie Kessler wrote: > Hi Tim, > > Boy, awesome question! We've been developing the tape for the last 3 years, > working with a manufacturer of tape coating to create this tape. Oh, and its > the first of 3 tape formulations we'll be introducing this year: Khrome > (now), Khobalt and Khromax. Sorry, there are no plans yet for a metal > particle tape, though it's being worked on.  For now, until sales pick up, > it's just C90's, but I think C60's are going to be available soon. > > Kermit wanted the Khrome cassette to sound like the old 1970s BASF > Chromdioxid II, but quieter and with smoother, warmer high. The BASF has > sort of hard sounding highs. (I got to hear NOS BASF tapes). Another thing > is that Kermit wanted the tape to not only sound awesome on high-end > cassette decks, but to make cheaper casssettre decks sound better than the > yusually sound. that's why we tested the tapes on cheaper decks as well as > high-end makes. They seem quiet to me, and can take high recording peaks > cleanly, assuming a good cassette deck, of course. > > The specs are: > a. 10kHz +0.5dB Frequency Response, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at 300 > Hz. > b. 10kHz, -6.5dB Maximum Output Level, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at > 300 Hz. > c. 1700 Gauss Retentivity. > d. 380 Oersteds Coercivity. > e. 58 dB Signal-To-Noise Ratio, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at 300 Hz. > f. +4.5 dB to +8.5 dB Peak Recording Levels, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity > at 300 Hz. > > (Oh, and those measurements are averaged from how the tape performs on a > Nakamichi 600-II, Nakamichi 680ZX,  Revox B710 Mk. II, and Pioneer > CT-F9191.) > > I got to be part of this R&D project and really jumped at the chance because > it meant that I'd get to listen to a lot of different cassette decks. > Getting paid for listening to cassette decks is a dream job! > > > It's for sale now for $7.99 USD each, or $39.95 for a 6-pack, or $59.95 for > a 10 pack. Right now, we just have a small quantity because we want to see > how it sells before we authorize full-scale production. It's my job to put > the labels and tape cases together, and I goofed on the design of the > J-cards. So the first ones may not have J-cards, but I'll send blank ones > and when I get the printed ones fixed I'll send them along if you want them. > Oh, and they were supposed to be shrink wrapped, but I asked if we could not > shrink wrap them to save the plastic waste, and it was agreed. > > (I knew I should have waited until next week to go on vacation!) > > On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Tim and Pam Sepper > wrote: >> >> Just saw this new tape Khrome by KVG Labs and wondering if anybody has any >> pros or cons about it yet?  Similar to TDK/Maxell type II formulations? >> High headroom?  Low noise? >> >> >> >> http://www.kvglabs.com/khromec90.html >> >> >> >> Tim >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > -- > -- Julie Kessler > juliek at kvglabs.com > Artist Development Executive > KVG Laboratories > I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered > http://www.kvglabs.com > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Thu Jan 6 01:06:03 2011 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 17:06:03 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Khrome tape by KVG Labs In-Reply-To: References: <000301cbabc9$694002d0$3bc00870$@net> Message-ID: <002401cbad35$829cfef0$87d6fcd0$@math.utah.edu> Very cool!! Does Kermit have a device to measure 215 nWb/M ? or did the tape manufacturer have it? I would love to get some level tapes verified. Vic From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Julie Kessler Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 3:11 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Khrome tape by KVG Labs Hi Tim, Boy, awesome question! We've been developing the tape for the last 3 years, working with a manufacturer of tape coating to create this tape. Oh, and its the first of 3 tape formulations we'll be introducing this year: Khrome (now), Khobalt and Khromax. Sorry, there are no plans yet for a metal particle tape, though it's being worked on. For now, until sales pick up, it's just C90's, but I think C60's are going to be available soon. Kermit wanted the Khrome cassette to sound like the old 1970s BASF Chromdioxid II, but quieter and with smoother, warmer high. The BASF has sort of hard sounding highs. (I got to hear NOS BASF tapes). Another thing is that Kermit wanted the tape to not only sound awesome on high-end cassette decks, but to make cheaper casssettre decks sound better than the yusually sound. that's why we tested the tapes on cheaper decks as well as high-end makes. They seem quiet to me, and can take high recording peaks cleanly, assuming a good cassette deck, of course. The specs are: a. 10kHz +0.5dB Frequency Response, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at 300 Hz. b. 10kHz, -6.5dB Maximum Output Level, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at 300 Hz. c. 1700 Gauss Retentivity. d. 380 Oersteds Coercivity. e. 58 dB Signal-To-Noise Ratio, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at 300 Hz. f. +4.5 dB to +8.5 dB Peak Recording Levels, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at 300 Hz. (Oh, and those measurements are averaged from how the tape performs on a Nakamichi 600-II, Nakamichi 680ZX, Revox B710 Mk. II, and Pioneer CT-F9191.) I got to be part of this R&D project and really jumped at the chance because it meant that I'd get to listen to a lot of different cassette decks. Getting paid for listening to cassette decks is a dream job! It's for sale now for $7.99 USD each, or $39.95 for a 6-pack, or $59.95 for a 10 pack. Right now, we just have a small quantity because we want to see how it sells before we authorize full-scale production. It's my job to put the labels and tape cases together, and I goofed on the design of the J-cards. So the first ones may not have J-cards, but I'll send blank ones and when I get the printed ones fixed I'll send them along if you want them. Oh, and they were supposed to be shrink wrapped, but I asked if we could not shrink wrap them to save the plastic waste, and it was agreed. (I knew I should have waited until next week to go on vacation!) On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Tim and Pam Sepper wrote: Just saw this new tape Khrome by KVG Labs and wondering if anybody has any pros or cons about it yet? Similar to TDK/Maxell type II formulations? High headroom? Low noise? http://www.kvglabs.com/khromec90.html Tim ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered http://www.kvglabs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 6 02:13:42 2011 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (Ram) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 20:13:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Khrome tape by KVG Labs In-Reply-To: References: <000301cbabc9$694002d0$3bc00870$@net> Message-ID: <782E09F1-8733-44A4-A503-E34F1E4CB2DE@yahoo.com> How does one buy these tapes? KVG Labs site does not mention how to buy these tapes. Thanks Julie. Ram. On Jan 5, 2011, at 5:10 PM, Julie Kessler wrote: > Hi Tim, > > Boy, awesome question! We've been developing the tape for the last 3 years, working with a manufacturer of tape coating to create this tape. Oh, and its the first of 3 tape formulations we'll be introducing this year: Khrome (now), Khobalt and Khromax. Sorry, there are no plans yet for a metal particle tape, though it's being worked on. For now, until sales pick up, it's just C90's, but I think C60's are going to be available soon. > > Kermit wanted the Khrome cassette to sound like the old 1970s BASF Chromdioxid II, but quieter and with smoother, warmer high. The BASF has sort of hard sounding highs. (I got to hear NOS BASF tapes). Another thing is that Kermit wanted the tape to not only sound awesome on high-end cassette decks, but to make cheaper casssettre decks sound better than the yusually sound. that's why we tested the tapes on cheaper decks as well as high-end makes. They seem quiet to me, and can take high recording peaks cleanly, assuming a good cassette deck, of course. > > The specs are: > a. 10kHz +0.5dB Frequency Response, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at 300 Hz. > b. 10kHz, -6.5dB Maximum Output Level, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at 300 Hz. > c. 1700 Gauss Retentivity. > d. 380 Oersteds Coercivity. > e. 58 dB Signal-To-Noise Ratio, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at 300 Hz. > f. +4.5 dB to +8.5 dB Peak Recording Levels, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at 300 Hz. > > (Oh, and those measurements are averaged from how the tape performs on a Nakamichi 600-II, Nakamichi 680ZX, Revox B710 Mk. II, and Pioneer CT-F9191.) > > I got to be part of this R&D project and really jumped at the chance because it meant that I'd get to listen to a lot of different cassette decks. Getting paid for listening to cassette decks is a dream job! > > > It's for sale now for $7.99 USD each, or $39.95 for a 6-pack, or $59.95 for a 10 pack. Right now, we just have a small quantity because we want to see how it sells before we authorize full-scale production. It's my job to put the labels and tape cases together, and I goofed on the design of the J-cards. So the first ones may not have J-cards, but I'll send blank ones and when I get the printed ones fixed I'll send them along if you want them. Oh, and they were supposed to be shrink wrapped, but I asked if we could not shrink wrap them to save the plastic waste, and it was agreed. > > (I knew I should have waited until next week to go on vacation!) > > On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Tim and Pam Sepper wrote: > Just saw this new tape Khrome by KVG Labs and wondering if anybody has any pros or cons about it yet? Similar to TDK/Maxell type II formulations? High headroom? Low noise? > > > > http://www.kvglabs.com/khromec90.html > > > > Tim > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > -- > -- Julie Kessler > juliek at kvglabs.com > Artist Development Executive > KVG Laboratories > I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered > http://www.kvglabs.com > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Does Kermit have a device to measure 215 nWb/M ? or did the > tape manufacturer have it? > > > > I would love to get some level tapes verified. > > > > Vic > > > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *Julie Kessler > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 05, 2011 3:11 PM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Khrome tape by KVG Labs > > > > Hi Tim, > > Boy, awesome question! We've been developing the tape for the last 3 years, > working with a manufacturer of tape coating to create this tape. Oh, and its > the first of 3 tape formulations we'll be introducing this year: Khrome > (now), Khobalt and Khromax. Sorry, there are no plans yet for a metal > particle tape, though it's being worked on. For now, until sales pick up, > it's just C90's, but I think C60's are going to be available soon. > > Kermit wanted the Khrome cassette to sound like the old 1970s BASF > Chromdioxid II, but quieter and with smoother, warmer high. The BASF has > sort of hard sounding highs. (I got to hear NOS BASF tapes). Another thing > is that Kermit wanted the tape to not only sound awesome on high-end > cassette decks, but to make cheaper casssettre decks sound better than the > yusually sound. that's why we tested the tapes on cheaper decks as well as > high-end makes. They seem quiet to me, and can take high recording peaks > cleanly, assuming a good cassette deck, of course. > > The specs are: > a. 10kHz +0.5dB Frequency Response, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at 300 > Hz. > b. 10kHz, -6.5dB Maximum Output Level, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at > 300 Hz. > c. 1700 Gauss Retentivity. > d. 380 Oersteds Coercivity. > e. 58 dB Signal-To-Noise Ratio, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at 300 Hz. > f. +4.5 dB to +8.5 dB Peak Recording Levels, referred to 215 nWb/M > fluxivity at 300 Hz. > > (Oh, and those measurements are averaged from how the tape performs on a > Nakamichi 600-II, Nakamichi 680ZX, Revox B710 Mk. II, and Pioneer > CT-F9191.) > > I got to be part of this R&D project and really jumped at the chance > because it meant that I'd get to listen to a lot of different cassette > decks. Getting paid for listening to cassette decks is a dream job! > > > It's for sale now for $7.99 USD each, or $39.95 for a 6-pack, or $59.95 for > a 10 pack. Right now, we just have a small quantity because we want to see > how it sells before we authorize full-scale production. It's my job to put > the labels and tape cases together, and I goofed on the design of the > J-cards. So the first ones may not have J-cards, but I'll send blank ones > and when I get the printed ones fixed I'll send them along if you want them. > Oh, and they were supposed to be shrink wrapped, but I asked if we could not > shrink wrap them to save the plastic waste, and it was agreed. > > (I knew I should have waited until next week to go on vacation!) > > On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Tim and Pam Sepper > wrote: > > Just saw this new tape Khrome by KVG Labs and wondering if anybody has any > pros or cons about it yet? Similar to TDK/Maxell type II formulations? > High headroom? Low noise? > > > > http://www.kvglabs.com/khromec90.html > > > > Tim > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > -- > -- Julie Kessler > juliek at kvglabs.com > Artist Development Executive > KVG Laboratories > I Found The Sound! 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URL: From juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com Thu Jan 6 03:47:09 2011 From: juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com (Julie Kessler) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 20:47:09 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Khrome tape by KVG Labs In-Reply-To: <782E09F1-8733-44A4-A503-E34F1E4CB2DE@yahoo.com> References: <000301cbabc9$694002d0$3bc00870$@net> <782E09F1-8733-44A4-A503-E34F1E4CB2DE@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Ram, Lauren and Everyone! I'm getting a shopping cart set up ... which is really confusing because they don't write the directions in Blondese and I'm not a programmer. But until then I can send a Paypal invoice to anyone who wants tapes ... contact me off-list for that. I'm thinking of putting a "Buy It Now" button on the Khrome web page but can't figure out how to set it up for shipping costs outside the USA. If somebody knows the secret language of PayPal buttons, write me off list. in other words, Help! I've fallen and can't get up (sorry, that's tacky!). This is my first experience with being responsible for the sales of a product, so bear with me while I figure all of it out. Thanks! On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 7:13 PM, Ram wrote: > How does one buy these tapes? KVG Labs site does not mention how to buy > these tapes. > > Thanks Julie. > > Ram. > > > > On Jan 5, 2011, at 5:10 PM, Julie Kessler > wrote: > > Hi Tim, > > Boy, awesome question! We've been developing the tape for the last 3 years, > working with a manufacturer of tape coating to create this tape. Oh, and its > the first of 3 tape formulations we'll be introducing this year: Khrome > (now), Khobalt and Khromax. Sorry, there are no plans yet for a metal > particle tape, though it's being worked on. For now, until sales pick up, > it's just C90's, but I think C60's are going to be available soon. > > Kermit wanted the Khrome cassette to sound like the old 1970s BASF > Chromdioxid II, but quieter and with smoother, warmer high. The BASF has > sort of hard sounding highs. (I got to hear NOS BASF tapes). Another thing > is that Kermit wanted the tape to not only sound awesome on high-end > cassette decks, but to make cheaper casssettre decks sound better than the > yusually sound. that's why we tested the tapes on cheaper decks as well as > high-end makes. They seem quiet to me, and can take high recording peaks > cleanly, assuming a good cassette deck, of course. > > The specs are: > a. 10kHz +0.5dB Frequency Response, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at 300 > Hz. > b. 10kHz, -6.5dB Maximum Output Level, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at > 300 Hz. > c. 1700 Gauss Retentivity. > d. 380 Oersteds Coercivity. > e. 58 dB Signal-To-Noise Ratio, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at 300 Hz. > f. +4.5 dB to +8.5 dB Peak Recording Levels, referred to 215 nWb/M > fluxivity at 300 Hz. > > (Oh, and those measurements are averaged from how the tape performs on a > Nakamichi 600-II, Nakamichi 680ZX, Revox B710 Mk. II, and Pioneer > CT-F9191.) > > I got to be part of this R&D project and really jumped at the chance > because it meant that I'd get to listen to a lot of different cassette > decks. Getting paid for listening to cassette decks is a dream job! > > > It's for sale now for $7.99 USD each, or $39.95 for a 6-pack, or $59.95 for > a 10 pack. Right now, we just have a small quantity because we want to see > how it sells before we authorize full-scale production. It's my job to put > the labels and tape cases together, and I goofed on the design of the > J-cards. So the first ones may not have J-cards, but I'll send blank ones > and when I get the printed ones fixed I'll send them along if you want them. > Oh, and they were supposed to be shrink wrapped, but I asked if we could not > shrink wrap them to save the plastic waste, and it was agreed. > > (I knew I should have waited until next week to go on vacation!) > > On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Tim and Pam Sepper < > timpamsepper at cox.net> wrote: > >> Just saw this new tape Khrome by KVG Labs and wondering if anybody has any >> pros or cons about it yet? Similar to TDK/Maxell type II formulations? >> High headroom? Low noise? >> >> >> >> >> http://www.kvglabs.com/khromec90.html >> >> >> >> Tim >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! >> http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > > -- > -- Julie Kessler > juliek at kvglabs.com > Artist Development Executive > KVG Laboratories > I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered > http://www.kvglabs.com > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! > http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered http://www.kvglabs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fergus.cullen at gmail.com Thu Jan 6 00:54:02 2011 From: fergus.cullen at gmail.com (Fergus Cullen) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 23:54:02 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Khrome tape by KVG Labs In-Reply-To: References: <000301cbabc9$694002d0$3bc00870$@net> Message-ID: They sound fantastic. Is it possible to order direct from KVG and have 'em shipped to Europe? On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:10 PM, Julie Kessler wrote: > Hi Tim, > > Boy, awesome question! We've been developing the tape for the last 3 years, > working with a manufacturer of tape coating to create this tape. Oh, and its > the first of 3 tape formulations we'll be introducing this year: Khrome > (now), Khobalt and Khromax. Sorry, there are no plans yet for a metal > particle tape, though it's being worked on.  For now, until sales pick up, > it's just C90's, but I think C60's are going to be available soon. > > Kermit wanted the Khrome cassette to sound like the old 1970s BASF > Chromdioxid II, but quieter and with smoother, warmer high. The BASF has > sort of hard sounding highs. (I got to hear NOS BASF tapes). Another thing > is that Kermit wanted the tape to not only sound awesome on high-end > cassette decks, but to make cheaper casssettre decks sound better than the > yusually sound. that's why we tested the tapes on cheaper decks as well as > high-end makes. They seem quiet to me, and can take high recording peaks > cleanly, assuming a good cassette deck, of course. > > The specs are: > a. 10kHz +0.5dB Frequency Response, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at 300 > Hz. > b. 10kHz, -6.5dB Maximum Output Level, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at > 300 Hz. > c. 1700 Gauss Retentivity. > d. 380 Oersteds Coercivity. > e. 58 dB Signal-To-Noise Ratio, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at 300 Hz. > f. +4.5 dB to +8.5 dB Peak Recording Levels, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity > at 300 Hz. > > (Oh, and those measurements are averaged from how the tape performs on a > Nakamichi 600-II, Nakamichi 680ZX,  Revox B710 Mk. II, and Pioneer > CT-F9191.) > > I got to be part of this R&D project and really jumped at the chance because > it meant that I'd get to listen to a lot of different cassette decks. > Getting paid for listening to cassette decks is a dream job! > > > It's for sale now for $7.99 USD each, or $39.95 for a 6-pack, or $59.95 for > a 10 pack. Right now, we just have a small quantity because we want to see > how it sells before we authorize full-scale production. It's my job to put > the labels and tape cases together, and I goofed on the design of the > J-cards. So the first ones may not have J-cards, but I'll send blank ones > and when I get the printed ones fixed I'll send them along if you want them. > Oh, and they were supposed to be shrink wrapped, but I asked if we could not > shrink wrap them to save the plastic waste, and it was agreed. > > (I knew I should have waited until next week to go on vacation!) > > On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Tim and Pam Sepper > wrote: >> >> Just saw this new tape Khrome by KVG Labs and wondering if anybody has any >> pros or cons about it yet?  Similar to TDK/Maxell type II formulations? >> High headroom?  Low noise? >> >> >> >> http://www.kvglabs.com/khromec90.html >> >> >> >> Tim >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > -- > -- Julie Kessler > juliek at kvglabs.com > Artist Development Executive > KVG Laboratories > I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered > http://www.kvglabs.com > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From hkalluri at hotmail.com Thu Jan 6 01:20:30 2011 From: hkalluri at hotmail.com (Hemanth Kalluri) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 18:20:30 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Khrome tape by KVG Labs In-Reply-To: References: <000301cbabc9$694002d0$3bc00870$@net>, , Message-ID: Lauren, Saw some on e-bay today http://cgi.ebay.com/Khrome-90-new-production-chrome-high-bias-cassette-tape-/150540968264?pt=BI_Blank_Media&hash=item230cf0e148 -Hemanth > Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 14:02:32 -0900 > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Khrome tape by KVG Labs > From: laurenh at gmail.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > > I'd certainly like to try a couple of those tapes, but the one thing I > couldn't tease out of your message or the KVG Labs web site is how to > actually purchase them. : ) > > On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Julie Kessler > wrote: > > Hi Tim, > > > > Boy, awesome question! We've been developing the tape for the last 3 years, > > working with a manufacturer of tape coating to create this tape. Oh, and its > > the first of 3 tape formulations we'll be introducing this year: Khrome > > (now), Khobalt and Khromax. Sorry, there are no plans yet for a metal > > particle tape, though it's being worked on. For now, until sales pick up, > > it's just C90's, but I think C60's are going to be available soon. > > > > Kermit wanted the Khrome cassette to sound like the old 1970s BASF > > Chromdioxid II, but quieter and with smoother, warmer high. The BASF has > > sort of hard sounding highs. (I got to hear NOS BASF tapes). Another thing > > is that Kermit wanted the tape to not only sound awesome on high-end > > cassette decks, but to make cheaper casssettre decks sound better than the > > yusually sound. that's why we tested the tapes on cheaper decks as well as > > high-end makes. They seem quiet to me, and can take high recording peaks > > cleanly, assuming a good cassette deck, of course. > > > > The specs are: > > a. 10kHz +0.5dB Frequency Response, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at 300 > > Hz. > > b. 10kHz, -6.5dB Maximum Output Level, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at > > 300 Hz. > > c. 1700 Gauss Retentivity. > > d. 380 Oersteds Coercivity. > > e. 58 dB Signal-To-Noise Ratio, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at 300 Hz. > > f. +4.5 dB to +8.5 dB Peak Recording Levels, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity > > at 300 Hz. > > > > (Oh, and those measurements are averaged from how the tape performs on a > > Nakamichi 600-II, Nakamichi 680ZX, Revox B710 Mk. II, and Pioneer > > CT-F9191.) > > > > I got to be part of this R&D project and really jumped at the chance because > > it meant that I'd get to listen to a lot of different cassette decks. > > Getting paid for listening to cassette decks is a dream job! > > > > > > It's for sale now for $7.99 USD each, or $39.95 for a 6-pack, or $59.95 for > > a 10 pack. Right now, we just have a small quantity because we want to see > > how it sells before we authorize full-scale production. It's my job to put > > the labels and tape cases together, and I goofed on the design of the > > J-cards. So the first ones may not have J-cards, but I'll send blank ones > > and when I get the printed ones fixed I'll send them along if you want them. > > Oh, and they were supposed to be shrink wrapped, but I asked if we could not > > shrink wrap them to save the plastic waste, and it was agreed. > > > > (I knew I should have waited until next week to go on vacation!) > > > > On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Tim and Pam Sepper > > wrote: > >> > >> Just saw this new tape Khrome by KVG Labs and wondering if anybody has any > >> pros or cons about it yet? Similar to TDK/Maxell type II formulations? > >> High headroom? Low noise? > >> > >> > >> > >> http://www.kvglabs.com/khromec90.html > >> > >> > >> > >> Tim > >> > >> > >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > -- > > -- Julie Kessler > > juliek at kvglabs.com > > Artist Development Executive > > KVG Laboratories > > I Found The Sound! 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I don't think it's a good idea to replace a 3 watt device with a 65 watt device. Also the tech should have had a proper de-solder station so the through holes are not burned off. They make through hole repair kits. I would select a mouser NTE186A/ NTE187A for Q407/Q408 pair replacement. Have any of you noticed this Nak 480 Q407 as being common with this deck. ? My guess a small device is used to limit damage to other devices. If I had this deck I would replace the TIP41. Engineers have reasons other than cost in selecting a power rating like reliability. My guess is the very best repair center would never perform such a hack job. I can see it's no big deal to some but if I had a business I would never let that out with my name on it. DG -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cles at o2.pl Thu Jan 6 08:44:39 2011 From: cles at o2.pl (cles at o2.pl) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 08:44:39 +0100 Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re:_[naktalk]_Khrome_tape_by_KVG_?= =?UTF-8?Q?Labs?= In-Reply-To: References: <000301cbabc9$694002d0$3bc00870$@net> <782E09F1-8733-44A4-A503-E34F1E4CB2DE@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4120d636.370c54bf.4d2572e7.71a42@o2.pl Hi 8 bucks for a chromium tape is a bit steep. I was never a fan of CrO2 tapes in the first place so great news Cobalt dopped tapes are in line. Chromium dioxide formulation was developed by PDM company and then licenced to BASF --> EMTEC. No other producer had the technology. So your tape is probably EMTEC.  CC Dnia 6 stycznia 2011 3:47 Julie Kessler <juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com> napisał(a): Hi Ram, Lauren and Everyone! I'm getting a shopping cart set up ... which is really confusing because they don't write the directions in Blondese and I'm not  a programmer. But until then I can send a Paypal invoice to anyone who wants tapes ... contact me off-list for that. I'm thinking of putting a "Buy It Now" button on the Khrome web page but can't figure out how to set it up for shipping costs outside the USA. If somebody knows the secret language of PayPal buttons,  write me off list. in other words, Help! I've fallen and can't get up (sorry, that's tacky!).  This is my first experience with being responsible for the sales of a product, so bear with me while I figure all of it out. Thanks! On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 7:13 PM, Ram <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote: How does one buy these tapes? KVG Labs site does not mention how to buy these tapes.Thanks Julie.Ram. On Jan 5, 2011, at 5:10 PM, Julie Kessler <juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com> wrote: Hi Tim, Boy, awesome question! We've been developing the tape for the last 3 years, working with a manufacturer of tape coating to create this tape. Oh, and its the first of 3 tape formulations we'll be introducing this year: Khrome (now), Khobalt and Khromax. Sorry, there are no plans yet for a metal particle tape, though it's being worked on.  For now, until sales pick up, it's just C90's, but I think C60's are going to be available soon. Kermit wanted the Khrome cassette to sound like the old 1970s BASF Chromdioxid II, but quieter and with smoother, warmer high. The BASF has sort of hard sounding highs. (I got to hear NOS BASF tapes). Another thing is that Kermit wanted the tape to not only sound awesome on high-end cassette decks, but to make cheaper casssettre decks sound better than the yusually sound. that's why we tested the tapes on cheaper decks as well as high-end makes. They seem quiet to me, and can take high recording peaks cleanly, assuming a good cassette deck, of course. The specs are: a. 10kHz +0.5dB Frequency Response, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at 300 Hz. b. 10kHz, -6.5dB Maximum Output Level, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at 300 Hz. c. 1700 Gauss Retentivity. d. 380 Oersteds Coercivity. e. 58 dB Signal-To-Noise Ratio, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at 300 Hz. f. +4.5 dB to +8.5 dB Peak Recording Levels, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at 300 Hz. (Oh, and those measurements are averaged from how the tape performs on a Nakamichi 600-II, Nakamichi 680ZX,  Revox B710 Mk. II, and Pioneer CT-F9191.) I got to be part of this R&D project and really jumped at the chance because it meant that I'd get to listen to a lot of different cassette decks. Getting paid for listening to cassette decks is a dream job! It's for sale now for $7.99 USD each, or $39.95 for a 6-pack, or $59.95 for a 10 pack. Right now, we just have a small quantity because we want to see how it sells before we authorize full-scale production. It's my job to put the labels and tape cases together, and I goofed on the design of the J-cards. So the first ones may not have J-cards, but I'll send blank ones and when I get the printed ones fixed I'll send them along if you want them. Oh, and they were supposed to be shrink wrapped, but I asked if we could not shrink wrap them to save the plastic waste, and it was agreed. (I knew I should have waited until next week to go on vacation!) On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Tim and Pam Sepper <timpamsepper at cox.net> wrote: Just saw this new tape Khrome by KVG Labs and wondering if anybody has any pros or cons about it yet?  Similar to TDK/Maxell type II formulations?  High headroom?  Low noise? http://www.kvglabs.com/khromec90.html Tim ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered http://www.kvglabs.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered http://www.kvglabs.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bgdickel at paradise.net.nz Thu Jan 6 09:19:04 2011 From: bgdickel at paradise.net.nz (Brett Dickel) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 21:19:04 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 belt replacement In-Reply-To: <4D1BADDE.3000309@paradise.net.nz> References: <4D1BADDE.3000309@paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <4D257AF8.4000901@paradise.net.nz> Bump.... On 30/12/2010 10:53 a.m., Brett Dickel wrote: > Hi > I have a set of replacement belts for my CR-7. Is there a set of > instructions for doing this? > Or is it best avoided by the amateur? > > Thanks > Brett > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se Thu Jan 6 09:46:20 2011 From: paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?P=E4r_Ericsson?=) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 09:46:20 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Motor Prob? References: Message-ID: <95569FF7E8104BFCAD45B777CF7377FD@superdator> The sound could come from a bad idler tire. On the dragon its a little bit tricky to replace so leave it as is as long as the deck REW/FFWD. The playback problem in opposite direction could be a brooken bulb on the pulse counter PCB. If you look on page 17 in the service manual you are able to see the PCB just above the l/h supply shaft (below L06). This bulb (12 v) is easy to repl if you have soldering skills. Good Luck/Pelle. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lance Goler To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 7:52 PM Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Motor Prob? I am the original owner of a Dragon that needs a repair. With a tape in playback mode, the motor makes a bit of a grinding sound and will only move the tape in one direction. When trying to playback in the opposite direction, the tape doesn't move and it goes back to stop mode. Anyone know what could be wrong with my deck and an approximate cost to get it fixed? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 6 15:39:01 2011 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 06:39:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Khrome tape by KVG Labs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <467557.83602.qm@web112704.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> That listing is for the tape priced at $10 each! Thats steep indeed. Ram. --- On Wed, 1/5/11, Hemanth Kalluri wrote: From: Hemanth Kalluri Subject: RE: [naktalk] Khrome tape by KVG Labs To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, January 5, 2011, 7:20 PM Lauren,   Saw some on e-bay today http://cgi.ebay.com/Khrome-90-new-production-chrome-high-bias-cassette-tape-/150540968264?pt=BI_Blank_Media&hash=item230cf0e148 -Hemanth > Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 14:02:32 -0900 > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Khrome tape by KVG Labs > From: laurenh at gmail.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > > I'd certainly like to try a couple of those tapes, but the one thing I > couldn't tease out of your message or the KVG Labs web site is how to > actually purchase them. : ) > > On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Julie Kessler > wrote: > > Hi Tim, > > > > Boy, awesome question! We've been developing the tape for the last 3 years, > > working with a manufacturer of tape coating to create this tape. Oh, and its > > the first of 3 tape formulations we'll be introducing this year: Khrome > > (now), Khobalt and Khromax. Sorry, there are no plans yet for a metal > > particle tape, though it's being worked on.  For now, until sales pick up, > > it's just C90's, but I think C60's are going to be available soon. > > > > Kermit wanted the Khrome cassette to sound like the old 1970s BASF > > Chromdioxid II, but quieter and with smoother, warmer high. The BASF has > > sort of hard sounding highs. (I got to hear NOS BASF tapes). Another thing > > is that Kermit wanted the tape to not only sound awesome on high-end > > cassette decks, but to make cheaper casssettre decks sound better than the > > yusually sound. that's why we tested the tapes on cheaper decks as well as > > high-end makes. They seem quiet to me, and can take high recording peaks > > cleanly, assuming a good cassette deck, of course. > > > > The specs are: > > a. 10kHz +0.5dB Frequency Response, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at 300 > > Hz. > > b. 10kHz, -6.5dB Maximum Output Level, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at > > 300 Hz. > > c. 1700 Gauss Retentivity. > > d. 380 Oersteds Coercivity. > > e. 58 dB Signal-To-Noise Ratio, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at 300 Hz. > > f. +4.5 dB to +8.5 dB Peak Recording Levels, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity > > at 300 Hz. > > > > (Oh, and those measurements are averaged from how the tape performs on a > > Nakamichi 600-II, Nakamichi 680ZX,  Revox B710 Mk. II, and Pioneer > > CT-F9191.) > > > > I got to be part of this R&D project and really jumped at the chance because > > it meant that I'd get to listen to a lot of different cassette decks. > > Getting paid for listening to cassette decks is a dream job! > > > > > > It's for sale now for $7.99 USD each, or $39.95 for a 6-pack, or $59.95 for > > a 10 pack. Right now, we just have a small quantity because we want to see > > how it sells before we authorize full-scale production. It's my job to put > > the labels and tape cases together, and I goofed on the design of the > > J-cards. So the first ones may not have J-cards, but I'll send blank ones > > and when I get the printed ones fixed I'll send them along if you want them. > > Oh, and they were supposed to be shrink wrapped, but I asked if we could not > > shrink wrap them to save the plastic waste, and it was agreed. > > > > (I knew I should have waited until next week to go on vacation!) > > > > On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Tim and Pam Sepper > > wrote: > >> > >> Just saw this new tape Khrome by KVG Labs and wondering if anybody has any > >> pros or cons about it yet?  Similar to TDK/Maxell type II formulations? > >> High headroom?  Low noise? > >> > >> > >> > >> http://www.kvglabs.com/khromec90.html > >> > >> > >> > >> Tim > >> > >> > >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > -- > > -- Julie Kessler > > juliek at kvglabs.com > > Artist Development Executive > > KVG Laboratories > > I Found The Sound! 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We've been developing the tape for the last 3 >> > years, >> > working with a manufacturer of tape coating to create this tape. Oh, and >> > its >> > the first of 3 tape formulations we'll be introducing this year: Khrome >> > (now), Khobalt and Khromax. Sorry, there are no plans yet for a metal >> > particle tape, though it's being worked on.  For now, until sales pick >> > up, >> > it's just C90's, but I think C60's are going to be available soon. >> > >> > Kermit wanted the Khrome cassette to sound like the old 1970s BASF >> > Chromdioxid II, but quieter and with smoother, warmer high. The BASF has >> > sort of hard sounding highs. (I got to hear NOS BASF tapes). Another >> > thing >> > is that Kermit wanted the tape to not only sound awesome on high-end >> > cassette decks, but to make cheaper casssettre decks sound better than >> > the >> > yusually sound. that's why we tested the tapes on cheaper decks as well >> > as >> > high-end makes. They seem quiet to me, and can take high recording peaks >> > cleanly, assuming a good cassette deck, of course. >> > >> > The specs are: >> > a. 10kHz +0.5dB Frequency Response, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at >> > 300 >> > Hz. >> > b. 10kHz, -6.5dB Maximum Output Level, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity >> > at >> > 300 Hz. >> > c. 1700 Gauss Retentivity. >> > d. 380 Oersteds Coercivity. >> > e. 58 dB Signal-To-Noise Ratio, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at 300 >> > Hz. >> > f. +4.5 dB to +8.5 dB Peak Recording Levels, referred to 215 nWb/M >> > fluxivity >> > at 300 Hz. >> > >> > (Oh, and those measurements are averaged from how the tape performs on a >> > Nakamichi 600-II, Nakamichi 680ZX,  Revox B710 Mk. II, and Pioneer >> > CT-F9191.) >> > >> > I got to be part of this R&D project and really jumped at the chance >> > because >> > it meant that I'd get to listen to a lot of different cassette decks. >> > Getting paid for listening to cassette decks is a dream job! >> > >> > >> > It's for sale now for $7.99 USD each, or $39.95 for a 6-pack, or $59.95 >> > for >> > a 10 pack. Right now, we just have a small quantity because we want to >> > see >> > how it sells before we authorize full-scale production. It's my job to >> > put >> > the labels and tape cases together, and I goofed on the design of the >> > J-cards. So the first ones may not have J-cards, but I'll send blank >> > ones >> > and when I get the printed ones fixed I'll send them along if you want >> > them. >> > Oh, and they were supposed to be shrink wrapped, but I asked if we could >> > not >> > shrink wrap them to save the plastic waste, and it was agreed. >> > >> > (I knew I should have waited until next week to go on vacation!) >> > >> > On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Tim and Pam Sepper >> > >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Just saw this new tape Khrome by KVG Labs and wondering if anybody has >> >> any >> >> pros or cons about it yet?  Similar to TDK/Maxell type II formulations? >> >> High headroom?  Low noise? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.kvglabs.com/khromec90.html >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Tim >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> >> Maintain your account here: >> >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > -- Julie Kessler >> > juliek at kvglabs.com >> > Artist Development Executive >> > KVG Laboratories >> > I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered >> > http://www.kvglabs.com >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From brian.janke at comcast.net Thu Jan 6 16:08:48 2011 From: brian.janke at comcast.net (brian.janke at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 15:08:48 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000 ZXL - Occasional Distortion Message-ID: <896418404.803309.1294326528583.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I acquired the 1000 ZXL this Summer with an issue I thought I would correct once the weather turned cold in Chicago.  The audio is wonderful initially, until it warms up, then the distortion begins to set into the right channel and then the left.  Distortion becomes audible in 10-30 minutes from initial startup .  In time, the distortion becomes more pronounced and annoying.  Power down for 20 minutes, and the deck sounds fine for a short while until the distortion returns.  I started to focus on the caps, but I wonder if it can be a transistor or microprocessor that fails when too warm.  Difficult to determine without the schematic :(...  I plan to apply some compressed coolant  (from RadioShack ) to a few suspected areas, expecting to knock out the distortion for a few moments.  I am grasping at straws.  Interesting fact:  With the wood cover removed,  the distortion was not audible even after a 90 minute tape.  This is why I think the issue is related to a weak component that reacts poorly to heat   Anyone have a suggestion? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Thu Jan 6 17:50:29 2011 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 17:50:29 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000 ZXL - Occasional Distortion In-Reply-To: <896418404.803309.1294326528583.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <896418404.803309.1294326528583.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <415929B4-E0F0-4894-BE4B-57A33D566511@peromarta.org> My money goes to bad caps on PB amp board. Replace all orange caps there with new styrenes. Good luck ;) LP. http://naks.es El 06/01/2011, a las 16:08, brian.janke at comcast.net escribió: > Difficult to determine without the schematic :(... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Thu Jan 6 18:04:49 2011 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 18:04:49 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000 ZXL - Occasional Distortion In-Reply-To: <896418404.803309.1294326528583.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <896418404.803309.1294326528583.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <003401cbadc3$d444fcb0$7ccef610$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Hi Brian, You can take cool spray to cool down the components. That’s a easy way to find the defective components. (Of course only if the problem is temperature related). After spraying the components listen when the distortion stops. Regards Norman Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens brian.janke at comcast.net Verzonden: donderdag 6 januari 2011 16:09 Aan: naktalk at naks.com Onderwerp: [naktalk] Nak 1000 ZXL - Occasional Distortion I acquired the 1000 ZXL this Summer with an issue I thought I would correct once the weather turned cold in Chicago. The audio is wonderful initially, until it warms up, then the distortion begins to set into the right channel and then the left. Distortion becomes audible in 10-30 minutes from initial startup. In time, the distortion becomes more pronounced and annoying. Power down for 20 minutes, and the deck sounds fine for a short while until the distortion returns. I started to focus on the caps, but I wonder if it can be a transistor or microprocessor that fails when too warm. Difficult to determine without the schematic :(... I plan to apply some compressed coolant (from RadioShack) to a few suspected areas, expecting to knock out the distortion for a few moments. I am grasping at straws. Interesting fact: With the wood cover removed, the distortion was not audible even after a 90 minute tape. This is why I think the issue is related to a weak component that reacts poorly to heat Anyone have a suggestion? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Thu Jan 6 18:22:13 2011 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 10:22:13 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000 ZXL - Occasional Distortion In-Reply-To: <896418404.803309.1294326528583.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <896418404.803309.1294326528583.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <004401cbadc6$42fc1e20$c8f45a60$@math.utah.edu> Check your DC offset in your PB board. Vic From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of brian.janke at comcast.net Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 8:09 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000 ZXL - Occasional Distortion I acquired the 1000 ZXL this Summer with an issue I thought I would correct once the weather turned cold in Chicago. The audio is wonderful initially, until it warms up, then the distortion begins to set into the right channel and then the left. Distortion becomes audible in 10-30 minutes from initial startup. In time, the distortion becomes more pronounced and annoying. Power down for 20 minutes, and the deck sounds fine for a short while until the distortion returns. I started to focus on the caps, but I wonder if it can be a transistor or microprocessor that fails when too warm. Difficult to determine without the schematic :(... I plan to apply some compressed coolant (from RadioShack) to a few suspected areas, expecting to knock out the distortion for a few moments. I am grasping at straws. Interesting fact: With the wood cover removed, the distortion was not audible even after a 90 minute tape. This is why I think the issue is related to a weak component that reacts poorly to heat Anyone have a suggestion? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Good luck ;) LP. http://naks.es El 06/01/2011, a las 16:08, brian.janke at comcast.net escribió: Difficult to determine without the schematic :(... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com Fri Jan 7 02:19:12 2011 From: juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com (Julie Kessler) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 19:19:12 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Khrome tape by KVG Labs In-Reply-To: References: <000301cbabc9$694002d0$3bc00870$@net> Message-ID: Hi Fergus, Absolutely! just send me a message off-list. On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 5:54 PM, Fergus Cullen wrote: > They sound fantastic. Is it possible to order direct from KVG and have > 'em shipped to Europe? > > > > On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:10 PM, Julie Kessler > wrote: > > Hi Tim, > > > > Boy, awesome question! We've been developing the tape for the last 3 > years, > > working with a manufacturer of tape coating to create this tape. Oh, and > its > > the first of 3 tape formulations we'll be introducing this year: Khrome > > (now), Khobalt and Khromax. Sorry, there are no plans yet for a metal > > particle tape, though it's being worked on. For now, until sales pick > up, > > it's just C90's, but I think C60's are going to be available soon. > > > > Kermit wanted the Khrome cassette to sound like the old 1970s BASF > > Chromdioxid II, but quieter and with smoother, warmer high. The BASF has > > sort of hard sounding highs. (I got to hear NOS BASF tapes). Another > thing > > is that Kermit wanted the tape to not only sound awesome on high-end > > cassette decks, but to make cheaper casssettre decks sound better than > the > > yusually sound. that's why we tested the tapes on cheaper decks as well > as > > high-end makes. They seem quiet to me, and can take high recording peaks > > cleanly, assuming a good cassette deck, of course. > > > > The specs are: > > a. 10kHz +0.5dB Frequency Response, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at > 300 > > Hz. > > b. 10kHz, -6.5dB Maximum Output Level, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at > > 300 Hz. > > c. 1700 Gauss Retentivity. > > d. 380 Oersteds Coercivity. > > e. 58 dB Signal-To-Noise Ratio, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at 300 > Hz. > > f. +4.5 dB to +8.5 dB Peak Recording Levels, referred to 215 nWb/M > fluxivity > > at 300 Hz. > > > > (Oh, and those measurements are averaged from how the tape performs on a > > Nakamichi 600-II, Nakamichi 680ZX, Revox B710 Mk. II, and Pioneer > > CT-F9191.) > > > > I got to be part of this R&D project and really jumped at the chance > because > > it meant that I'd get to listen to a lot of different cassette decks. > > Getting paid for listening to cassette decks is a dream job! > > > > > > It's for sale now for $7.99 USD each, or $39.95 for a 6-pack, or $59.95 > for > > a 10 pack. Right now, we just have a small quantity because we want to > see > > how it sells before we authorize full-scale production. It's my job to > put > > the labels and tape cases together, and I goofed on the design of the > > J-cards. So the first ones may not have J-cards, but I'll send blank ones > > and when I get the printed ones fixed I'll send them along if you want > them. > > Oh, and they were supposed to be shrink wrapped, but I asked if we could > not > > shrink wrap them to save the plastic waste, and it was agreed. > > > > (I knew I should have waited until next week to go on vacation!) > > > > On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Tim and Pam Sepper < > timpamsepper at cox.net> > > wrote: > >> > >> Just saw this new tape Khrome by KVG Labs and wondering if anybody has > any > >> pros or cons about it yet? Similar to TDK/Maxell type II formulations? > >> High headroom? Low noise? > >> > >> > >> > >> http://www.kvglabs.com/khromec90.html > >> > >> > >> > >> Tim > >> > >> > >> > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > -- > > -- Julie Kessler > > juliek at kvglabs.com > > Artist Development Executive > > KVG Laboratories > > I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered > > http://www.kvglabs.com > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered http://www.kvglabs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com Fri Jan 7 02:20:19 2011 From: juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com (Julie Kessler) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 19:20:19 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Khrome tape by KVG Labs In-Reply-To: <467557.83602.qm@web112704.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <467557.83602.qm@web112704.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Ram, We're not going to sell them on eBay anymore for just that reason ... it makes them overpriced! On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 8:39 AM, shanti ramachandran wrote: > That listing is for the tape priced at $10 each! Thats steep indeed. > > Ram. > > --- On *Wed, 1/5/11, Hemanth Kalluri * wrote: > > > From: Hemanth Kalluri > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Khrome tape by KVG Labs > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Wednesday, January 5, 2011, 7:20 PM > > > Lauren, > > Saw some on e-bay today > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Khrome-90-new-production-chrome-high-bias-cassette-tape-/150540968264?pt=BI_Blank_Media&hash=item230cf0e148 > > -Hemanth > > > Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 14:02:32 -0900 > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Khrome tape by KVG Labs > > From: laurenh at gmail.com > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > I'd certainly like to try a couple of those tapes, but the one thing I > > couldn't tease out of your message or the KVG Labs web site is how to > > actually purchase them. : ) > > > > On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Julie Kessler > > wrote: > > > Hi Tim, > > > > > > Boy, awesome question! We've been developing the tape for the last 3 > years, > > > working with a manufacturer of tape coating to create this tape. Oh, > and its > > > the first of 3 tape formulations we'll be introducing this year: Khrome > > > (now), Khobalt and Khromax. Sorry, there are no plans yet for a metal > > > particle tape, though it's being worked on. For now, until sales pick > up, > > > it's just C90's, but I think C60's are going to be available soon. > > > > > > Kermit wanted the Khrome cassette to sound like the old 1970s BASF > > > Chromdioxid II, but quieter and with smoother, warmer high. The BASF > has > > > sort of hard sounding highs. (I got to hear NOS BASF tapes). Another > thing > > > is that Kermit wanted the tape to not only sound awesome on high-end > > > cassette decks, but to make cheaper casssettre decks sound better than > the > > > yusually sound. that's why we tested the tapes on cheaper decks as well > as > > > high-end makes. They seem quiet to me, and can take high recording > peaks > > > cleanly, assuming a good cassette deck, of course. > > > > > > The specs are: > > > a. 10kHz +0.5dB Frequency Response, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at > 300 > > > Hz. > > > b. 10kHz, -6.5dB Maximum Output Level, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity > at > > > 300 Hz. > > > c. 1700 Gauss Retentivity. > > > d. 380 Oersteds Coercivity. > > > e. 58 dB Signal-To-Noise Ratio, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at 300 > Hz. > > > f. +4.5 dB to +8.5 dB Peak Recording Levels, referred to 215 nWb/M > fluxivity > > > at 300 Hz. > > > > > > (Oh, and those measurements are averaged from how the tape performs on > a > > > Nakamichi 600-II, Nakamichi 680ZX, Revox B710 Mk. II, and Pioneer > > > CT-F9191.) > > > > > > I got to be part of this R&D project and really jumped at the chance > because > > > it meant that I'd get to listen to a lot of different cassette decks. > > > Getting paid for listening to cassette decks is a dream job! > > > > > > > > > It's for sale now for $7.99 USD each, or $39.95 for a 6-pack, or $59.95 > for > > > a 10 pack. Right now, we just have a small quantity because we want to > see > > > how it sells before we authorize full-scale production. It's my job to > put > > > the labels and tape cases together, and I goofed on the design of the > > > J-cards. So the first ones may not have J-cards, but I'll send blank > ones > > > and when I get the printed ones fixed I'll send them along if you want > them. > > > Oh, and they were supposed to be shrink wrapped, but I asked if we > could not > > > shrink wrap them to save the plastic waste, and it was agreed. > > > > > > (I knew I should have waited until next week to go on vacation!) > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Tim and Pam Sepper < > timpamsepper at cox.net> > > > wrote: > > >> > > >> Just saw this new tape Khrome by KVG Labs and wondering if anybody has > any > > >> pros or cons about it yet? Similar to TDK/Maxell type II > formulations? > > >> High headroom? Low noise? > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> http://www.kvglabs.com/khromec90.html > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Tim > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >> Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > -- Julie Kessler > > > juliek at kvglabs.com > > > Artist Development Executive > > > KVG Laboratories > > > I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered > > > http://www.kvglabs.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.commailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered http://www.kvglabs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com Fri Jan 7 02:41:48 2011 From: juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com (Julie Kessler) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 19:41:48 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Khrome tape by KVG Labs In-Reply-To: <4120d636.370c54bf.4d2572e7.71a42@o2.pl> References: <000301cbabc9$694002d0$3bc00870$@net> <782E09F1-8733-44A4-A503-E34F1E4CB2DE@yahoo.com> <4120d636.370c54bf.4d2572e7.71a42@o2.pl> Message-ID: Hi! Thanks for your comment ... this is why Kermit decided we'll be making both a Cobalt type and a CrO2 type, because some people don't like CrO2 tapes and others do. In fact, even in the studio here no everyone agrees on the whole Cobalt - versus - CrO2 choice. I did some inquiry, and found out that EMTEC/RMGI made the BASF CrO2 tapes, but that 3M (& later Ampex) had also made a CrO2 tape licensed from PDM. The difference, though, was that BASF stuck to PDM's original CrO2 formula, but 3M varied from the PDM formula, often adding traces of Cobalt to smooth the treble, or changing the ratio of the CrO2 to FeO2. I got to hear some 1970s vintage 3M CrO2 tapes and they sound different from both the BASF and the cobalts. I think the sound of the Khrome tape is between a cobalt's sound and a pure CrO2, but more toward the CrO2 sound. They're sure quieter than BASF, which to me has a gritty noise floor that the Khrome doesn't. As to the price, understand that this is a newly-produced, newly-designed, fresh tape, and not something that has been sitting in a warehouse for years, and that we're not selling millions of them -- yet -- so like with any new technology the first are a higher cost than a little later after bulk sales have occurred and the 1000's and 1000's of R&D dollars (not to mention 3 years of efforts). Also, our book keeper pointed out to me that if you adjust the selling price of TDK-SA or Maxell UD-XLII from 1970s dollars to 2011 dollars, you were paying almost the equivalent of $7 or 8 today. I've seen several NOS cassette tapes selling for as much or more, and I've seen NOS tapes sell for a whole lot less. So it's a bargain, and I'm sure you'll never noticed I'm really, really biased and just want to sell you bunches and bunches of tapes so I can go out and buy more shoes. But the great thing about free markets is that if you don't like CrO2 tapes or think they're overprices, you don't have to buy them. The tapes are a pet project, we'd love to see then sell in the millions, but if they don't it's okay, we're doing it so that there is an alternative for dedicated cassette owners: you don't have to be limited to only NOS tapes that will from now on become more scarce and their prices will go up over tine, but our prices will go down once everybody decides to starting buying our tapes (either CrO2 or Cobalt). Maybe I shouldn't confess this, but I plan to buy some NOS TDK and Maxell as well as using our Khrome tapes. I hope this doesn't come off snarky because I don't mean it that way. But honestly, I do appreciate the comment on the price ... any comment good or bad is a big help to me and the others here. Oh, and I believe the Cobalt-doped tapes will be available mid-February, assuming no more R&D problems crop up at the last minute. On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 1:44 AM, wrote: > > Hi > 8 bucks for a chromium tape is a bit steep. I was never a fan of CrO2 tapes > in the first place so great news Cobalt dopped tapes are in line. Chromium > dioxide formulation was developed by PDM company and then licenced to BASF > --> EMTEC. No other producer had the technology. So your tape is probably > EMTEC. > > CC > > Dnia 6 stycznia 2011 3:47 Julie Kessler > napisał(a): > > > Hi Ram, Lauren and Everyone! > > I'm getting a shopping cart set up ... which is really confusing because > they don't write the directions in Blondese and I'm not a programmer. > > But until then I can send a Paypal invoice to anyone who wants tapes ... > contact me off-list for that. > > I'm thinking of putting a "Buy It Now" button on the Khrome web page but > can't figure out how to set it up for shipping costs outside the USA. If > somebody knows the secret language of PayPal buttons, write me off list. in > other words, Help! I've fallen and can't get up (sorry, that's tacky!). > This is my first experience with being responsible for the sales of a > product, so bear with me while I figure all of it out. > > Thanks! > > On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 7:13 PM, Ram wrote: > >> How does one buy these tapes? KVG Labs site does not mention how to buy >> these tapes. >> Thanks Julie. >> Ram. >> >> >> >> On Jan 5, 2011, at 5:10 PM, Julie Kessler >> wrote: >> >> Hi Tim, >> >> Boy, awesome question! We've been developing the tape for the last 3 >> years, working with a manufacturer of tape coating to create this tape. Oh, >> and its the first of 3 tape formulations we'll be introducing this year: >> Khrome (now), Khobalt and Khromax. Sorry, there are no plans yet for a metal >> particle tape, though it's being worked on. For now, until sales pick up, >> it's just C90's, but I think C60's are going to be available soon. >> >> Kermit wanted the Khrome cassette to sound like the old 1970s BASF >> Chromdioxid II, but quieter and with smoother, warmer high. The BASF has >> sort of hard sounding highs. (I got to hear NOS BASF tapes). Another thing >> is that Kermit wanted the tape to not only sound awesome on high-end >> cassette decks, but to make cheaper casssettre decks sound better than the >> yusually sound. that's why we tested the tapes on cheaper decks as well as >> high-end makes. They seem quiet to me, and can take high recording peaks >> cleanly, assuming a good cassette deck, of course. >> >> The specs are: >> a. 10kHz +0.5dB Frequency Response, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at 300 >> Hz. >> b. 10kHz, -6.5dB Maximum Output Level, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at >> 300 Hz. >> c. 1700 Gauss Retentivity. >> d. 380 Oersteds Coercivity. >> e. 58 dB Signal-To-Noise Ratio, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at 300 Hz. >> f. +4.5 dB to +8.5 dB Peak Recording Levels, referred to 215 nWb/M >> fluxivity at 300 Hz. >> >> (Oh, and those measurements are averaged from how the tape performs on a >> Nakamichi 600-II, Nakamichi 680ZX, Revox B710 Mk. II, and Pioneer >> CT-F9191.) >> >> I got to be part of this R&D project and really jumped at the chance >> because it meant that I'd get to listen to a lot of different cassette >> decks. Getting paid for listening to cassette decks is a dream job! >> >> >> It's for sale now for $7.99 USD each, or $39.95 for a 6-pack, or $59.95 >> for a 10 pack. Right now, we just have a small quantity because we want to >> see how it sells before we authorize full-scale production. It's my job to >> put the labels and tape cases together, and I goofed on the design of the >> J-cards. So the first ones may not have J-cards, but I'll send blank ones >> and when I get the printed ones fixed I'll send them along if you want them. >> Oh, and they were supposed to be shrink wrapped, but I asked if we could not >> shrink wrap them to save the plastic waste, and it was agreed. >> >> (I knew I should have waited until next week to go on vacation!) >> >> On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Tim and Pam Sepper < >> timpamsepper at cox.net> wrote: >> >>> Just saw this new tape Khrome by KVG Labs and wondering if anybody has >>> any pros or cons about it yet? Similar to TDK/Maxell type II formulations? >>> High headroom? Low noise? >>> >>> >>> http://www.kvglabs.com/khromec90.html >>> >>> Tim >>> >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! >>> http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: >>> >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> -- Julie Kessler >> juliek at kvglabs.com >> Artist Development Executive >> KVG Laboratories >> I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered >> http://www.kvglabs.com >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! >> http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > > -- > -- Julie Kessler > juliek at kvglabs.com > Artist Development Executive > KVG Laboratories > I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered > http://www.kvglabs.com > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! 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In time, the distortion becomes more pronounced and annoying. > Power down for 20 minutes, and the deck sounds fine for a short while until > the distortion returns. I started to focus on the caps, but I wonder if it > can be a transistor or microprocessor that fails when too warm. Difficult > to determine without the schematic :(... > > I plan to apply some compressed coolant (from RadioShack) to a few > suspected areas, expecting to knock out the distortion for a few moments. I > am grasping at straws. Interesting fact: With the wood cover removed, the > distortion was not audible even after a 90 minute tape. This is why I think > the issue is related to a weak component that reacts poorly to heat Anyone > have a suggestion? > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 7 03:20:12 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 18:20:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Khrome tape by KVG Labs In-Reply-To: <4120d636.370c54bf.4d2572e7.71a42@o2.pl References: <000301cbabc9$694002d0$3bc00870$@net> <782E09F1-8733-44A4-A503-E34F1E4CB2DE@yahoo.com> <4120d636.370c54bf.4d2572e7.71a42@o2.pl Message-ID: <760912.28554.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, Does EMTEC still makes them? Bala ________________________________ From: "cles at o2.pl" To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thu, January 6, 2011 3:44:39 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Khrome tape by KVG Labs Hi 8 bucks for a chromium tape is a bit steep. I was never a fan of CrO2 tapes in the first place so great news Cobalt dopped tapes are in line. Chromium dioxide formulation was developed by PDM company and then licenced to BASF --> EMTEC. No other producer had the technology. So your tape is probably EMTEC. CC Dnia 6 stycznia 2011 3:47 Julie Kessler napisał(a): Hi Ram, Lauren and Everyone! > >I'm getting a shopping cart set up ... which is really confusing because they >don't write the directions in Blondese and I'm not a programmer. > >But until then I can send a Paypal invoice to anyone who wants tapes ... contact >me off-list for that. > >I'm thinking of putting a "Buy It Now" button on the Khrome web page but can't >figure out how to set it up for shipping costs outside the USA. If somebody >knows the secret language of PayPal buttons, write me off list. in other words, >Help! I've fallen and can't get up (sorry, that's tacky!). This is my first >experience with being responsible for the sales of a product, so bear with me >while I figure all of it out. > >Thanks! > > >On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 7:13 PM, Ram wrote: > >How does one buy these tapes? KVG Labs site does not mention how to buy these >tapes. >>Thanks Julie. >>Ram. >> >> >> >> >>On Jan 5, 2011, at 5:10 PM, Julie Kessler >>wrote: >> >> >>Hi Tim, >>> >>>Boy, awesome question! We've been developing the tape for the last 3 years, >>>working with a manufacturer of tape coating to create this tape. Oh, and its the >>>first of 3 tape formulations we'll be introducing this year: Khrome (now), >>>Khobalt and Khromax. Sorry, there are no plans yet for a metal particle tape, >>>though it's being worked on. For now, until sales pick up, it's just C90's, but >>>I think C60's are going to be available soon. >>> >>>Kermit wanted the Khrome cassette to sound like the old 1970s BASF Chromdioxid >>>II, but quieter and with smoother, warmer high. The BASF has sort of hard >>>sounding highs. (I got to hear NOS BASF tapes). Another thing is that Kermit >>>wanted the tape to not only sound awesome on high-end cassette decks, but to >>>make cheaper casssettre decks sound better than the yusually sound. that's why >>>we tested the tapes on cheaper decks as well as high-end makes. They seem quiet >>>to me, and can take high recording peaks cleanly, assuming a good cassette deck, >>>of course. >>> >>>The specs are: >>>a. 10kHz +0.5dB Frequency Response, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at 300 Hz. >>>b. 10kHz, -6.5dB Maximum Output Level, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at 300 >>>Hz. >>>c. 1700 Gauss Retentivity. >>>d. 380 Oersteds Coercivity. >>>e. 58 dB Signal-To-Noise Ratio, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at 300 Hz. >>>f. +4.5 dB to +8.5 dB Peak Recording Levels, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at >>>300 Hz. >>> >>>(Oh, and those measurements are averaged from how the tape performs on a >>>Nakamichi 600-II, Nakamichi 680ZX, Revox B710 Mk. II, and Pioneer CT-F9191.) >>> >>>I got to be part of this R&D project and really jumped at the chance because it >>>meant that I'd get to listen to a lot of different cassette decks. Getting paid >>>for listening to cassette decks is a dream job! >>> >>> >>>It's for sale now for $7.99 USD each, or $39.95 for a 6-pack, or $59.95 for a 10 >>>pack. Right now, we just have a small quantity because we want to see how it >>>sells before we authorize full-scale production. It's my job to put the labels >>>and tape cases together, and I goofed on the design of the J-cards. So the first >>>ones may not have J-cards, but I'll send blank ones and when I get the printed >>>ones fixed I'll send them along if you want them. Oh, and they were supposed to >>>be shrink wrapped, but I asked if we could not shrink wrap them to save the >>>plastic waste, and it was agreed. >>> >>>(I knew I should have waited until next week to go on vacation!) >>> >>> >>>On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Tim and Pam Sepper >>>wrote: >>> >>>Just saw this new tape Khrome by KVG Labs and wondering if anybody has any pros >>>or cons about it yet? Similar to TDK/Maxell type II formulations? High >>>headroom? Low noise? >>>> >>>>http://www.kvglabs.com/khromec90.html >>>> >>>>Tim >>>> >>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>> >>> >>>-- >>>-- Julie Kessler >>>juliek at kvglabs.com >>>Artist Development Executive >>>KVG Laboratories >>>I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered >>>http://www.kvglabs.com >>> >>> >>> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > >-- >-- Julie Kessler >juliek at kvglabs.com >Artist Development Executive >KVG Laboratories >I Found The Sound! 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Regards Norman Van:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens Luis Peromarta Regert Verzonden: donderdag 6 januari 2011 17:50 Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Onderwerp: Re: [naktalk] Nak 1000 ZXL - Occasional Distortion My money goes to bad caps on PB amp board. Replace all orange caps there with new styrenes. Good luck ;) LP. http://naks.es El 06/01/2011, a las 16:08, brian.janke at comcast.net escribió: Difficult to determine without the schematic :(... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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El 07/01/2011, a las 03:36, Bala Ganesh Chandra escribió: > Hi Norman, > > The recommendation would be 1% polystyrene capacitors. > > Best Regards, > Bala > > From: Norman van Wijnen > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Fri, January 7, 2011 1:48:42 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak 1000 ZXL - Occasional Distortion > > Hi Luis Peromarta, > > Would you go for polystyrenes or for polypropyleen? > > Regards Norman > > Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens Luis Peromarta Regert > Verzonden: donderdag 6 januari 2011 17:50 > Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Onderwerp: Re: [naktalk] Nak 1000 ZXL - Occasional Distortion > > My money goes to bad caps on PB amp board. Replace all orange caps there with new styrenes. > Good luck ;) > > LP. > http://naks.es > > > > El 06/01/2011, a las 16:08, brian.janke at comcast.net escribió: > > > Difficult to determine without the schematic :(... > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From brian.janke at comcast.net Fri Jan 7 05:34:53 2011 From: brian.janke at comcast.net (brian.janke at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 04:34:53 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000 ZXL - Occasional Distortion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1295710519.855860.1294374893682.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Thanks Willy.  I will. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willy Hermann" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Thursday, January 6, 2011 7:47:27 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 1000 ZXL - Occasional Distortion Try adjusting the playback amp offset as per line two of the instructions. Willy On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 7:08 AM, < brian.janke at comcast.net > wrote: I acquired the 1000 ZXL this Summer with an issue I thought I would correct once the weather turned cold in Chicago.  The audio is wonderful initially, until it warms up, then the distortion begins to set into the right channel and then the left.  Distortion becomes audible in 10-30 minutes from initial startup.  In time, the distortion becomes more pronounced and annoying.  Power down for 20 minutes, and the deck sounds fine for a short while until the distortion returns.  I started to focus on the caps, but I wonder if it can be a transistor or microprocessor that fails when too warm.  Difficult to determine without the schematic :(...  I plan to apply some compressed coolant  (from RadioShack) to a few suspected areas, expecting to knock out the distortion for a few moments.  I am grasping at straws.  Interesting fact:  With the wood cover removed,  the distortion was not audible even after a 90 minute tape.  This is why I think the issue is related to a weak component that reacts poorly to heat   Anyone have a suggestion? ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cles at o2.pl Fri Jan 7 08:23:49 2011 From: cles at o2.pl (cles at o2.pl) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2011 08:23:49 +0100 Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re:_[naktalk]_Khrome_tape_by_KVG_?= =?UTF-8?Q?Labs?= In-Reply-To: <760912.28554.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <760912.28554.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54bd8601.502150fa.4d26bf85.2b3c3@o2.pl No. The whole thing was like sold/licensed to RMG. RMG still makes the tape though. CC Dnia 7 stycznia 2011 3:20 Bala Ganesh Chandra <bg3009 at yahoo.com> napisał(a): Hi, Does EMTEC still makes them? Bala From: "cles at o2.pl" <cles at o2.pl> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com> Sent: Thu, January 6, 2011 3:44:39 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Khrome tape by KVG Labs Hi 8 bucks for a chromium tape is a bit steep. I was never a fan of CrO2 tapes in the first place so great news Cobalt dopped tapes are in line. Chromium dioxide formulation was developed by PDM company and then licenced to BASF --> EMTEC. No other producer had the technology. So your tape is probably EMTEC.  CC Dnia 6 stycznia 2011 3:47 Julie Kessler <juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com> napisał(a): Hi Ram, Lauren and Everyone! I'm getting a shopping cart set up ... which is really confusing because they don't write the directions in Blondese and I'm not  a programmer. But until then I can send a Paypal invoice to anyone who wants tapes ... contact me off-list for that. I'm thinking of putting a "Buy It Now" button on the Khrome web page but can't figure out how to set it up for shipping costs outside the USA. If somebody knows the secret language of PayPal buttons,  write me off list. in other words, Help! I've fallen and can't get up (sorry, that's tacky!).  This is my first experience with being responsible for the sales of a product, so bear with me while I figure all of it out. Thanks! On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 7:13 PM, Ram <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote: How does one buy these tapes? KVG Labs site does not mention how to buy these tapes.Thanks Julie.Ram. On Jan 5, 2011, at 5:10 PM, Julie Kessler <juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com> wrote: Hi Tim, Boy, awesome question! We've been developing the tape for the last 3 years, working with a manufacturer of tape coating to create this tape. Oh, and its the first of 3 tape formulations we'll be introducing this year: Khrome (now), Khobalt and Khromax. Sorry, there are no plans yet for a metal particle tape, though it's being worked on.  For now, until sales pick up, it's just C90's, but I think C60's are going to be available soon. Kermit wanted the Khrome cassette to sound like the old 1970s BASF Chromdioxid II, but quieter and with smoother, warmer high. The BASF has sort of hard sounding highs. (I got to hear NOS BASF tapes). Another thing is that Kermit wanted the tape to not only sound awesome on high-end cassette decks, but to make cheaper casssettre decks sound better than the yusually sound. that's why we tested the tapes on cheaper decks as well as high-end makes. They seem quiet to me, and can take high recording peaks cleanly, assuming a good cassette deck, of course. The specs are: a. 10kHz +0.5dB Frequency Response, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at 300 Hz. b. 10kHz, -6.5dB Maximum Output Level, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at 300 Hz. c. 1700 Gauss Retentivity. d. 380 Oersteds Coercivity. e. 58 dB Signal-To-Noise Ratio, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at 300 Hz. f. +4.5 dB to +8.5 dB Peak Recording Levels, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at 300 Hz. (Oh, and those measurements are averaged from how the tape performs on a Nakamichi 600-II, Nakamichi 680ZX,  Revox B710 Mk. II, and Pioneer CT-F9191.) I got to be part of this R&D project and really jumped at the chance because it meant that I'd get to listen to a lot of different cassette decks. Getting paid for listening to cassette decks is a dream job! It's for sale now for $7.99 USD each, or $39.95 for a 6-pack, or $59.95 for a 10 pack. Right now, we just have a small quantity because we want to see how it sells before we authorize full-scale production. It's my job to put the labels and tape cases together, and I goofed on the design of the J-cards. So the first ones may not have J-cards, but I'll send blank ones and when I get the printed ones fixed I'll send them along if you want them. Oh, and they were supposed to be shrink wrapped, but I asked if we could not shrink wrap them to save the plastic waste, and it was agreed. (I knew I should have waited until next week to go on vacation!) On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Tim and Pam Sepper <timpamsepper at cox.net> wrote: Just saw this new tape Khrome by KVG Labs and wondering if anybody has any pros or cons about it yet?  Similar to TDK/Maxell type II formulations?  High headroom?  Low noise? http://www.kvglabs.com/khromec90.html Tim ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered http://www.kvglabs.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! 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URL: From cles at o2.pl Fri Jan 7 10:02:24 2011 From: cles at o2.pl (cles at o2.pl) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2011 10:02:24 +0100 Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re:_[naktalk]_Khrome_tape_by_KVG_?= =?UTF-8?Q?Labs?= In-Reply-To: References: <000301cbabc9$694002d0$3bc00870$@net> <4120d636.370c54bf.4d2572e7.71a42@o2.pl> Message-ID: <51b12d3d.4e70e530.4d26d6a0.44c92@o2.pl Hi  Yeah Julie, you're talking any buisness has its price. We know it. It is a bit bold statement to compare your tape to TDK and Maxell but maybe you produced a great tape. Anyway I'd be glad to check them out once you start shipping cobalt doped ones. I wonder why you didn't go for metal tape. Just about any metal tape kills other formulations. Is it that expensive? There are companies still making metal tapes for camcorder use. Why not talk with them? CC Dnia 7 stycznia 2011 2:41 Julie Kessler <juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com> napisał(a): Hi! Thanks for your comment ... this is why Kermit decided we'll be making both a Cobalt type and a CrO2 type, because some people don't like CrO2 tapes and others do. In fact, even in the studio here no everyone agrees on the whole Cobalt - versus - CrO2 choice. I did some inquiry, and found out that EMTEC/RMGI made the BASF CrO2 tapes, but that 3M (& later Ampex) had also made a CrO2 tape licensed from PDM. The difference, though, was that BASF stuck to PDM's original CrO2 formula, but 3M varied from the PDM formula, often adding traces of Cobalt to smooth the treble, or changing the ratio of the CrO2 to FeO2. I got to hear some 1970s vintage 3M CrO2 tapes and they sound different from both the BASF and the cobalts. I think the sound of the Khrome tape is between a cobalt's sound and a pure CrO2, but more toward the CrO2 sound. They're sure quieter than BASF, which to me has a gritty noise floor that the Khrome doesn't. As to the price, understand that this is a newly-produced, newly-designed, fresh tape, and not something that has been sitting in a warehouse for years, and that we're not selling millions of them  -- yet -- so like with any new technology the first are a higher cost than a little later after bulk sales have occurred and the 1000's and 1000's of R&D dollars (not to mention 3 years of efforts). Also, our book keeper pointed out to me that if you adjust the selling price of TDK-SA or Maxell UD-XLII from 1970s dollars to 2011 dollars, you were paying almost the equivalent of $7 or 8 today. I've seen several NOS cassette tapes selling for as much or more, and I've seen NOS tapes sell for a whole lot less. So it's a bargain, and I'm sure you'll never noticed I'm really, really biased and just want to sell you bunches and bunches of tapes so I can go out and buy more shoes. But the great thing about free markets is that if you don't like CrO2 tapes or think they're overprices, you don't have to buy them. The tapes are a pet project, we'd love to see then sell in the millions, but if they don't it's okay, we're doing it so that there is an alternative for dedicated cassette owners: you don't have to be limited to only NOS tapes that will from now on become more scarce and their prices will go up over tine, but our prices will go down once everybody decides to starting buying our tapes (either CrO2 or Cobalt). Maybe I shouldn't confess this, but I plan to buy some NOS TDK and Maxell as well as using our Khrome tapes. I hope this doesn't come off snarky because I don't mean it that way. But honestly, I do appreciate the comment on the price ... any comment good or bad is a big help to me and the others here. Oh, and I believe the Cobalt-doped tapes will be available mid-February, assuming no more R&D problems crop up at the last minute. On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 1:44 AM, <cles at o2.pl> wrote: Hi 8 bucks for a chromium tape is a bit steep. I was never a fan of CrO2 tapes in the first place so great news Cobalt dopped tapes are in line. Chromium dioxide formulation was developed by PDM company and then licenced to BASF --> EMTEC. No other producer had the technology. So your tape is probably EMTEC.  CC Dnia 6 stycznia 2011 3:47 Julie Kessler <juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com> napisał(a): Hi Ram, Lauren and Everyone! I'm getting a shopping cart set up ... which is really confusing because they don't write the directions in Blondese and I'm not  a programmer. But until then I can send a Paypal invoice to anyone who wants tapes ... contact me off-list for that. I'm thinking of putting a "Buy It Now" button on the Khrome web page but can't figure out how to set it up for shipping costs outside the USA. If somebody knows the secret language of PayPal buttons,  write me off list. in other words, Help! I've fallen and can't get up (sorry, that's tacky!).  This is my first experience with being responsible for the sales of a product, so bear with me while I figure all of it out. Thanks! On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 7:13 PM, Ram <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote: How does one buy these tapes? KVG Labs site does not mention how to buy these tapes.Thanks Julie.Ram. On Jan 5, 2011, at 5:10 PM, Julie Kessler <juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com> wrote: Hi Tim, Boy, awesome question! We've been developing the tape for the last 3 years, working with a manufacturer of tape coating to create this tape. Oh, and its the first of 3 tape formulations we'll be introducing this year: Khrome (now), Khobalt and Khromax. Sorry, there are no plans yet for a metal particle tape, though it's being worked on.  For now, until sales pick up, it's just C90's, but I think C60's are going to be available soon. Kermit wanted the Khrome cassette to sound like the old 1970s BASF Chromdioxid II, but quieter and with smoother, warmer high. The BASF has sort of hard sounding highs. (I got to hear NOS BASF tapes). Another thing is that Kermit wanted the tape to not only sound awesome on high-end cassette decks, but to make cheaper casssettre decks sound better than the yusually sound. that's why we tested the tapes on cheaper decks as well as high-end makes. They seem quiet to me, and can take high recording peaks cleanly, assuming a good cassette deck, of course. The specs are: a. 10kHz +0.5dB Frequency Response, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at 300 Hz. b. 10kHz, -6.5dB Maximum Output Level, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at 300 Hz. c. 1700 Gauss Retentivity. d. 380 Oersteds Coercivity. e. 58 dB Signal-To-Noise Ratio, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at 300 Hz. f. +4.5 dB to +8.5 dB Peak Recording Levels, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at 300 Hz. (Oh, and those measurements are averaged from how the tape performs on a Nakamichi 600-II, Nakamichi 680ZX,  Revox B710 Mk. II, and Pioneer CT-F9191.) I got to be part of this R&D project and really jumped at the chance because it meant that I'd get to listen to a lot of different cassette decks. Getting paid for listening to cassette decks is a dream job! It's for sale now for $7.99 USD each, or $39.95 for a 6-pack, or $59.95 for a 10 pack. Right now, we just have a small quantity because we want to see how it sells before we authorize full-scale production. It's my job to put the labels and tape cases together, and I goofed on the design of the J-cards. So the first ones may not have J-cards, but I'll send blank ones and when I get the printed ones fixed I'll send them along if you want them. Oh, and they were supposed to be shrink wrapped, but I asked if we could not shrink wrap them to save the plastic waste, and it was agreed. (I knew I should have waited until next week to go on vacation!) On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Tim and Pam Sepper <timpamsepper at cox.net> wrote: Just saw this new tape Khrome by KVG Labs and wondering if anybody has any pros or cons about it yet?  Similar to TDK/Maxell type II formulations?  High headroom?  Low noise? http://www.kvglabs.com/khromec90.html Tim ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered http://www.kvglabs.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered http://www.kvglabs.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! 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Wouter > > > Thanks for the suggestion.  I read about these orange caps at > audiokarma.  I will look for the styrenes.  > > By the way,  would you email an image of that portion of schematic or > service manual?  > > I am new to this forum.  Let me know if it is unacceptible to request > these documents. > From brian.janke at comcast.net Fri Jan 7 16:02:38 2011 From: brian.janke at comcast.net (brian.janke at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 15:02:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000 ZXL - Occasional Distortion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1756651782.866495.1294412558833.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Thanks Wouter.  I just downloaded it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wouter Heijke" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Friday, January 7, 2011 4:56:51 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 1000 ZXL - Occasional Distortion Hi Brian, You will find the manual on our wiki: http://www.naks.com/wiki/doku.php?id=documents It's free! Wouter > > > Thanks for the suggestion.  I read about these orange caps at > audiokarma.  I will look for the styrenes.  > > By the way,  would you email an image of that portion of schematic or > service manual?  > > I am new to this forum.  Let me know if it is unacceptible to request > these documents. > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marc at stager.com Fri Jan 7 17:25:26 2011 From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2011 11:25:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Need Service manual or cards for 1000 II In-Reply-To: <201101071210.p07C1q8E007181@zxe.naks.com> References: <201101071210.p07C1q8E007181@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <0LEN00I96UYD5T10@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> I have a very nice looking Nak 1000 II acquired recently, I was looking to sell it as is, It is mechanically and cosmetically fine but does not play (both channels) or record on the right channel, but I didn't get any reasonable offers. The power supply seems to be fine and the mechanism works perfectly. I made a 3K tone recording on the left side and played it on my 682XX. No flutter and on speed, and music reproduced perfectly with TDK SA. So I'd like to see if i can get those preamps going. It is very easy to service, with it's plug-in cards. So if anyone has a lead for a service manual, or record, bias, and/or play cards, I would be very interested. Thanks, Marc Stager ) ) ) ) ) ) Stager Sound Systems, New York City http://marc.stager.com/ tel: 212-595-4065 cel: 212-675-6000 From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 8 00:08:02 2011 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 15:08:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Khrome tape by KVG Labs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <363666.41422.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Julie, I would like to try one.  Will you guys sell just one?  You can e-mail me direct. wotbob01 at yahoo.com Thanks, Bob N --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Julie Kessler wrote: From: Julie Kessler Subject: Re: [naktalk] Khrome tape by KVG Labs To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 5:41 PM Hi! Thanks for your comment ... this is why Kermit decided we'll be making both a Cobalt type and a CrO2 type, because some people don't like CrO2 tapes and others do. In fact, even in the studio here no everyone agrees on the whole Cobalt - versus - CrO2 choice. I did some inquiry, and found out that EMTEC/RMGI made the BASF CrO2 tapes, but that 3M (& later Ampex) had also made a CrO2 tape licensed from PDM. The difference, though, was that BASF stuck to PDM's original CrO2 formula, but 3M varied from the PDM formula, often adding traces of Cobalt to smooth the treble, or changing the ratio of the CrO2 to FeO2. I got to hear some 1970s vintage 3M CrO2 tapes and they sound different from both the BASF and the cobalts. I think the sound of the Khrome tape is between a cobalt's sound and a pure CrO2, but more toward the CrO2 sound. They're sure quieter than BASF, which to me has a gritty noise floor that the Khrome doesn't. As to the price, understand that this is a newly-produced, newly-designed, fresh tape, and not something that has been sitting in a warehouse for years, and that we're not selling millions of them  -- yet -- so like with any new technology the first are a higher cost than a little later after bulk sales have occurred and the 1000's and 1000's of R&D dollars (not to mention 3 years of efforts). Also, our book keeper pointed out to me that if you adjust the selling price of TDK-SA or Maxell UD-XLII from 1970s dollars to 2011 dollars, you were paying almost the equivalent of $7 or 8 today. I've seen several NOS cassette tapes selling for as much or more, and I've seen NOS tapes sell for a whole lot less. So it's a bargain, and I'm sure you'll never noticed I'm really, really biased and just want to sell you bunches and bunches of tapes so I can go out and buy more shoes. But the great thing about free markets is that if you don't like CrO2 tapes or think they're overprices, you don't have to buy them. The tapes are a pet project, we'd love to see then sell in the millions, but if they don't it's okay, we're doing it so that there is an alternative for dedicated cassette owners: you don't have to be limited to only NOS tapes that will from now on become more scarce and their prices will go up over tine, but our prices will go down once everybody decides to starting buying our tapes (either CrO2 or Cobalt). Maybe I shouldn't confess this, but I plan to buy some NOS TDK and Maxell as well as using our Khrome tapes. I hope this doesn't come off snarky because I don't mean it that way. But honestly, I do appreciate the comment on the price ... any comment good or bad is a big help to me and the others here. Oh, and I believe the Cobalt-doped tapes will be available mid-February, assuming no more R&D problems crop up at the last minute. On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 1:44 AM, wrote: Hi 8 bucks for a chromium tape is a bit steep. I was never a fan of CrO2 tapes in the first place so great news Cobalt dopped tapes are in line. Chromium dioxide formulation was developed by PDM company and then licenced to BASF --> EMTEC. No other producer had the technology. So your tape is probably EMTEC.  CC Dnia 6 stycznia 2011 3:47 Julie Kessler napisał(a): Hi Ram, Lauren and Everyone! I'm getting a shopping cart set up ... which is really confusing because they don't write the directions in Blondese and I'm not  a programmer. But until then I can send a Paypal invoice to anyone who wants tapes ... contact me off-list for that. I'm thinking of putting a "Buy It Now" button on the Khrome web page but can't figure out how to set it up for shipping costs outside the USA. If somebody knows the secret language of PayPal buttons,  write me off list. in other words, Help! I've fallen and can't get up (sorry, that's tacky!).  This is my first experience with being responsible for the sales of a product, so bear with me while I figure all of it out. Thanks! On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 7:13 PM, Ram wrote: How does one buy these tapes? KVG Labs site does not mention how to buy these tapes. Thanks Julie. Ram. On Jan 5, 2011, at 5:10 PM, Julie Kessler wrote: Hi Tim, Boy, awesome question! We've been developing the tape for the last 3 years, working with a manufacturer of tape coating to create this tape. Oh, and its the first of 3 tape formulations we'll be introducing this year: Khrome (now), Khobalt and Khromax. Sorry, there are no plans yet for a metal particle tape, though it's being worked on.  For now, until sales pick up, it's just C90's, but I think C60's are going to be available soon. Kermit wanted the Khrome cassette to sound like the old 1970s BASF Chromdioxid II, but quieter and with smoother, warmer high. The BASF has sort of hard sounding highs. (I got to hear NOS BASF tapes). Another thing is that Kermit wanted the tape to not only sound awesome on high-end cassette decks, but to make cheaper casssettre decks sound better than the yusually sound. that's why we tested the tapes on cheaper decks as well as high-end makes. They seem quiet to me, and can take high recording peaks cleanly, assuming a good cassette deck, of course. The specs are: a. 10kHz +0.5dB Frequency Response, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at 300 Hz. b. 10kHz, -6.5dB Maximum Output Level, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at 300 Hz. c. 1700 Gauss Retentivity. d. 380 Oersteds Coercivity. e. 58 dB Signal-To-Noise Ratio, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at 300 Hz. f. +4.5 dB to +8.5 dB Peak Recording Levels, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at 300 Hz. (Oh, and those measurements are averaged from how the tape performs on a Nakamichi 600-II, Nakamichi 680ZX,  Revox B710 Mk. II, and Pioneer CT-F9191.) I got to be part of this R&D project and really jumped at the chance because it meant that I'd get to listen to a lot of different cassette decks. Getting paid for listening to cassette decks is a dream job! It's for sale now for $7.99 USD each, or $39.95 for a 6-pack, or $59.95 for a 10 pack. Right now, we just have a small quantity because we want to see how it sells before we authorize full-scale production. It's my job to put the labels and tape cases together, and I goofed on the design of the J-cards. So the first ones may not have J-cards, but I'll send blank ones and when I get the printed ones fixed I'll send them along if you want them. Oh, and they were supposed to be shrink wrapped, but I asked if we could not shrink wrap them to save the plastic waste, and it was agreed. (I knew I should have waited until next week to go on vacation!) On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Tim and Pam Sepper wrote: Just saw this new tape Khrome by KVG Labs and wondering if anybody has any pros or cons about it yet?  Similar to TDK/Maxell type II formulations?  High headroom?  Low noise? http://www.kvglabs.com/khromec90.html Tim ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! 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URL: From juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com Sun Jan 9 22:51:06 2011 From: juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com (Julie Kessler) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 15:51:06 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Khrome tape by KVG Labs In-Reply-To: <760912.28554.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <000301cbabc9$694002d0$3bc00870$@net> <782E09F1-8733-44A4-A503-E34F1E4CB2DE@yahoo.com> <760912.28554.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'm not allowed to say who is making our Khrome CrO2 tape, but it's not RMGI. That's why it sounds similar to, but not the same as EMTEC/BASF Chromdixid II. I think I heard that RMGI has ceased cassette production in January, and is makin gonly reel-to-reel tape. I wish they'd make the EE reel-to-reel tape that used to be made years ago! On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi, > > Does EMTEC still makes them? > Bala > > ------------------------------ > *From:* "cles at o2.pl" > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Thu, January 6, 2011 3:44:39 PM > > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Khrome tape by KVG Labs > > > Hi > 8 bucks for a chromium tape is a bit steep. I was never a fan of CrO2 tapes > in the first place so great news Cobalt dopped tapes are in line. Chromium > dioxide formulation was developed by PDM company and then licenced to BASF > --> EMTEC. No other producer had the technology. So your tape is probably > EMTEC. > > CC > > Dnia 6 stycznia 2011 3:47 Julie Kessler > napisał(a): > > > Hi Ram, Lauren and Everyone! > > I'm getting a shopping cart set up ... which is really confusing because > they don't write the directions in Blondese and I'm not a programmer. > > But until then I can send a Paypal invoice to anyone who wants tapes ... > contact me off-list for that. > > I'm thinking of putting a "Buy It Now" button on the Khrome web page but > can't figure out how to set it up for shipping costs outside the USA. If > somebody knows the secret language of PayPal buttons, write me off list. in > other words, Help! I've fallen and can't get up (sorry, that's tacky!). > This is my first experience with being responsible for the sales of a > product, so bear with me while I figure all of it out. > > Thanks! > > On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 7:13 PM, Ram wrote: > >> How does one buy these tapes? KVG Labs site does not mention how to buy >> these tapes. >> Thanks Julie. >> Ram. >> >> >> >> On Jan 5, 2011, at 5:10 PM, Julie Kessler >> wrote: >> >> Hi Tim, >> >> Boy, awesome question! We've been developing the tape for the last 3 >> years, working with a manufacturer of tape coating to create this tape. Oh, >> and its the first of 3 tape formulations we'll be introducing this year: >> Khrome (now), Khobalt and Khromax. Sorry, there are no plans yet for a metal >> particle tape, though it's being worked on. For now, until sales pick up, >> it's just C90's, but I think C60's are going to be available soon. >> >> Kermit wanted the Khrome cassette to sound like the old 1970s BASF >> Chromdioxid II, but quieter and with smoother, warmer high. The BASF has >> sort of hard sounding highs. (I got to hear NOS BASF tapes). Another thing >> is that Kermit wanted the tape to not only sound awesome on high-end >> cassette decks, but to make cheaper casssettre decks sound better than the >> yusually sound. that's why we tested the tapes on cheaper decks as well as >> high-end makes. They seem quiet to me, and can take high recording peaks >> cleanly, assuming a good cassette deck, of course. >> >> The specs are: >> a. 10kHz +0.5dB Frequency Response, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at 300 >> Hz. >> b. 10kHz, -6.5dB Maximum Output Level, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at >> 300 Hz. >> c. 1700 Gauss Retentivity. >> d. 380 Oersteds Coercivity. >> e. 58 dB Signal-To-Noise Ratio, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at 300 Hz. >> f. +4.5 dB to +8.5 dB Peak Recording Levels, referred to 215 nWb/M >> fluxivity at 300 Hz. >> >> (Oh, and those measurements are averaged from how the tape performs on a >> Nakamichi 600-II, Nakamichi 680ZX, Revox B710 Mk. II, and Pioneer >> CT-F9191.) >> >> I got to be part of this R&D project and really jumped at the chance >> because it meant that I'd get to listen to a lot of different cassette >> decks. Getting paid for listening to cassette decks is a dream job! >> >> >> It's for sale now for $7.99 USD each, or $39.95 for a 6-pack, or $59.95 >> for a 10 pack. Right now, we just have a small quantity because we want to >> see how it sells before we authorize full-scale production. It's my job to >> put the labels and tape cases together, and I goofed on the design of the >> J-cards. So the first ones may not have J-cards, but I'll send blank ones >> and when I get the printed ones fixed I'll send them along if you want them. >> Oh, and they were supposed to be shrink wrapped, but I asked if we could not >> shrink wrap them to save the plastic waste, and it was agreed. >> >> (I knew I should have waited until next week to go on vacation!) >> >> On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Tim and Pam Sepper < >> timpamsepper at cox.net> wrote: >> >>> Just saw this new tape Khrome by KVG Labs and wondering if anybody has >>> any pros or cons about it yet? Similar to TDK/Maxell type II formulations? >>> High headroom? Low noise? >>> >>> >>> http://www.kvglabs.com/khromec90.html >>> >>> Tim >>> >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! >>> http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: >>> >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> -- Julie Kessler >> juliek at kvglabs.com >> Artist Development Executive >> KVG Laboratories >> I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered >> http://www.kvglabs.com >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! >> http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > > -- > -- Julie Kessler > juliek at kvglabs.com > Artist Development Executive > KVG Laboratories > I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered > http://www.kvglabs.com > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered http://www.kvglabs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com Sun Jan 9 23:01:21 2011 From: juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com (Julie Kessler) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 16:01:21 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Khrome tape by KVG Labs In-Reply-To: <51b12d3d.4e70e530.4d26d6a0.44c92@o2.pl> References: <000301cbabc9$694002d0$3bc00870$@net> <4120d636.370c54bf.4d2572e7.71a42@o2.pl> <51b12d3d.4e70e530.4d26d6a0.44c92@o2.pl> Message-ID: Hi CC! Great message! Well, we are still working on having someone make a metal particle tape but there's a lot of problems with it still to be resolved. I heard two prototypes, one sounded good but it worked out that we'd have to sell it for over $25 USD each, so the guys nixed that. Like, can you say, "way overpriced!" The other one sounds, well, awful, but I'm confident they'll get it sounding good. It had really harsh highs, and I suggested we sell it as a guitar distortion effect. You know, we had a big discussion of CrO2 versus Cobalt tape for the title of "Best Tape." It was really interesting, nobody agreeed and I could see that most everyone would have a strong preference for either CrO2 or Cobalt. They left it to me to decide which tape to bring to the market first. I chose the CrO2 simply because it was already ready (oh dear, a repeated repetition!), and I figured both would be available anyway so what made the difference which was first. >From your message and the Inbox-full I've been receiving I think I guessed wrong -- messages expressing preferences for Cobalt versus CrO2 have been running better than 5 to 1 in favor of Cobalt! Which is really exciting because I'm swamped with orders for the CrO2 tapes as it is, and boy next week is going to be crazy getting everybody's orders shipped out! Thank you thank you thank you! So wow, I'm betting the sales of the Cobalt tapes will be even more awesome! On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 3:02 AM, wrote: > Hi > Yeah Julie, you're talking any buisness has its price. We know it. > > It is a bit bold statement to compare your tape to TDK and Maxell but maybe > you produced a great tape. Anyway I'd be glad to check them out once you > start shipping cobalt doped ones. I wonder why you didn't go for metal tape. > Just about any metal tape kills other formulations. Is it that expensive? > There are companies still making metal tapes for camcorder use. Why not talk > with them? > > CC > > > Dnia 7 stycznia 2011 2:41 Julie Kessler > napisał(a): > > > Hi! > > > Thanks for your comment ... this is why Kermit decided we'll be making both > a Cobalt type and a CrO2 type, because some people don't like CrO2 tapes and > others do. In fact, even in the studio here no everyone agrees on the whole > Cobalt - versus - CrO2 choice. > > I did some inquiry, and found out that EMTEC/RMGI made the BASF CrO2 tapes, > but that 3M (& later Ampex) had also made a CrO2 tape licensed from PDM. The > difference, though, was that BASF stuck to PDM's original CrO2 formula, but > 3M varied from the PDM formula, often adding traces of Cobalt to smooth the > treble, or changing the ratio of the CrO2 to FeO2. I got to hear some 1970s > vintage 3M CrO2 tapes and they sound different from both the BASF and the > cobalts. I think the sound of the Khrome tape is between a cobalt's sound > and a pure CrO2, but more toward the CrO2 sound. They're sure quieter than > BASF, which to me has a gritty noise floor that the Khrome doesn't. > > As to the price, understand that this is a newly-produced, newly-designed, > fresh tape, and not something that has been sitting in a warehouse for > years, and that we're not selling millions of them -- yet -- so like with > any new technology the first are a higher cost than a little later after > bulk sales have occurred and the 1000's and 1000's of R&D dollars (not to > mention 3 years of efforts). Also, our book keeper pointed out to me that if > you adjust the selling price of TDK-SA or Maxell UD-XLII from 1970s dollars > to 2011 dollars, you were paying almost the equivalent of $7 or 8 today. > I've seen several NOS cassette tapes selling for as much or more, and I've > seen NOS tapes sell for a whole lot less. > > So it's a bargain, and I'm sure you'll never noticed I'm really, really > biased and just want to sell you bunches and bunches of tapes so I can go > out and buy more shoes. > > But the great thing about free markets is that if you don't like CrO2 tapes > or think they're overprices, you don't have to buy them. The tapes are a pet > project, we'd love to see then sell in the millions, but if they don't it's > okay, we're doing it so that there is an alternative for dedicated cassette > owners: you don't have to be limited to only NOS tapes that will from now on > become more scarce and their prices will go up over tine, but our prices > will go down once everybody decides to starting buying our tapes (either > CrO2 or Cobalt). Maybe I shouldn't confess this, but I plan to buy some NOS > TDK and Maxell as well as using our Khrome tapes. > > I hope this doesn't come off snarky because I don't mean it that way. But > honestly, I do appreciate the comment on the price ... any comment good or > bad is a big help to me and the others here. > > Oh, and I believe the Cobalt-doped tapes will be available mid-February, > assuming no more R&D problems crop up at the last minute. > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 1:44 AM, wrote: > >> >> Hi >> 8 bucks for a chromium tape is a bit steep. I was never a fan of CrO2 >> tapes in the first place so great news Cobalt dopped tapes are in line. >> Chromium dioxide formulation was developed by PDM company and then licenced >> to BASF --> EMTEC. No other producer had the technology. So your tape is >> probably EMTEC. >> >> CC >> >> Dnia 6 stycznia 2011 3:47 Julie Kessler >> napisał(a): >> >> >> Hi Ram, Lauren and Everyone! >> >> I'm getting a shopping cart set up ... which is really confusing because >> they don't write the directions in Blondese and I'm not a programmer. >> >> But until then I can send a Paypal invoice to anyone who wants tapes ... >> contact me off-list for that. >> >> I'm thinking of putting a "Buy It Now" button on the Khrome web page but >> can't figure out how to set it up for shipping costs outside the USA. If >> somebody knows the secret language of PayPal buttons, write me off list. in >> other words, Help! I've fallen and can't get up (sorry, that's tacky!). >> This is my first experience with being responsible for the sales of a >> product, so bear with me while I figure all of it out. >> >> Thanks! >> >> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 7:13 PM, Ram wrote: >> >>> How does one buy these tapes? KVG Labs site does not mention how to buy >>> these tapes. >>> Thanks Julie. >>> Ram. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jan 5, 2011, at 5:10 PM, Julie Kessler < >>> juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Tim, >>> >>> Boy, awesome question! We've been developing the tape for the last 3 >>> years, working with a manufacturer of tape coating to create this tape. Oh, >>> and its the first of 3 tape formulations we'll be introducing this year: >>> Khrome (now), Khobalt and Khromax. Sorry, there are no plans yet for a metal >>> particle tape, though it's being worked on. For now, until sales pick up, >>> it's just C90's, but I think C60's are going to be available soon. >>> >>> Kermit wanted the Khrome cassette to sound like the old 1970s BASF >>> Chromdioxid II, but quieter and with smoother, warmer high. The BASF has >>> sort of hard sounding highs. (I got to hear NOS BASF tapes). Another thing >>> is that Kermit wanted the tape to not only sound awesome on high-end >>> cassette decks, but to make cheaper casssettre decks sound better than the >>> yusually sound. that's why we tested the tapes on cheaper decks as well as >>> high-end makes. They seem quiet to me, and can take high recording peaks >>> cleanly, assuming a good cassette deck, of course. >>> >>> The specs are: >>> a. 10kHz +0.5dB Frequency Response, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at >>> 300 Hz. >>> b. 10kHz, -6.5dB Maximum Output Level, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at >>> 300 Hz. >>> c. 1700 Gauss Retentivity. >>> d. 380 Oersteds Coercivity. >>> e. 58 dB Signal-To-Noise Ratio, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at 300 >>> Hz. >>> f. +4.5 dB to +8.5 dB Peak Recording Levels, referred to 215 nWb/M >>> fluxivity at 300 Hz. >>> >>> (Oh, and those measurements are averaged from how the tape performs on a >>> Nakamichi 600-II, Nakamichi 680ZX, Revox B710 Mk. II, and Pioneer >>> CT-F9191.) >>> >>> I got to be part of this R&D project and really jumped at the chance >>> because it meant that I'd get to listen to a lot of different cassette >>> decks. Getting paid for listening to cassette decks is a dream job! >>> >>> >>> It's for sale now for $7.99 USD each, or $39.95 for a 6-pack, or $59.95 >>> for a 10 pack. Right now, we just have a small quantity because we want to >>> see how it sells before we authorize full-scale production. It's my job to >>> put the labels and tape cases together, and I goofed on the design of the >>> J-cards. So the first ones may not have J-cards, but I'll send blank ones >>> and when I get the printed ones fixed I'll send them along if you want them. >>> Oh, and they were supposed to be shrink wrapped, but I asked if we could not >>> shrink wrap them to save the plastic waste, and it was agreed. >>> >>> (I knew I should have waited until next week to go on vacation!) >>> >>> On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Tim and Pam Sepper < >>> timpamsepper at cox.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Just saw this new tape Khrome by KVG Labs and wondering if anybody has >>>> any pros or cons about it yet? Similar to TDK/Maxell type II formulations? >>>> High headroom? Low noise? >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.kvglabs.com/khromec90.html >>>> >>>> Tim >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! >>>> http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: >>>> >>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> -- Julie Kessler >>> juliek at kvglabs.com >>> Artist Development Executive >>> KVG Laboratories >>> I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered >>> http://www.kvglabs.com >>> >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! >>> http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: >>> >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> -- Julie Kessler >> juliek at kvglabs.com >> Artist Development Executive >> KVG Laboratories >> I Found The Sound! 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URL: From juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com Sun Jan 9 23:18:59 2011 From: juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com (Julie Kessler) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 16:18:59 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Khrome tape by KVG Labs In-Reply-To: <363666.41422.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <363666.41422.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Oh, and a really big "Hugs & Thank Yous" to all of you who wrote me off-list to explain the secret language of Paypal buttons! I figured out international shipping rates from looking at the US Post Office's Fixed Rate chart for international postage (USA & Canada shipping is free). It works out that 1 pound to 4 pounds is the same cost, and 4 pounds to 20 pounds is the same cost. A 6-pack weighs just a few ounces over 4 pounds shipping weight but I set the shipping price at the 4-pound rate because it's a whole lot cheaper. I first thought about making the international sales a 5-pack so it was just under the 4-pound limit of the US Post Office, but decided against it and just let the 6-pack go for the same shipping rate as a 5-pack would have shipped. (What is it with America and the 6-pack? We have five fingers on each hand, not six, unless you're polydactyl or something like that. Doesn't 5-packs make more sense than 6-packs? Oh well.). http://www.kvglabs.com/khromec90.html and click the Paypal Buy Now button on the right for international shipments, then pick the quantity from the drop-down menu. -- - - - - - - - Bob, I hope my message off-list got to you. I used my work email, and I always worry about the emal ourgoing POP server thing working. On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Bob Naylor wrote: > Julie, I would like to try one. Will you guys sell just one? You can > e-mail me direct. > wotbob01 at yahoo.com > Thanks, Bob N > > --- On *Thu, 1/6/11, Julie Kessler *wrote: > > > From: Julie Kessler > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Khrome tape by KVG Labs > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 5:41 PM > > > Hi! > > Thanks for your comment ... this is why Kermit decided we'll be making both > a Cobalt type and a CrO2 type, because some people don't like CrO2 tapes and > others do. In fact, even in the studio here no everyone agrees on the whole > Cobalt - versus - CrO2 choice. > > I did some inquiry, and found out that EMTEC/RMGI made the BASF CrO2 tapes, > but that 3M (& later Ampex) had also made a CrO2 tape licensed from PDM. The > difference, though, was that BASF stuck to PDM's original CrO2 formula, but > 3M varied from the PDM formula, often adding traces of Cobalt to smooth the > treble, or changing the ratio of the CrO2 to FeO2. I got to hear some 1970s > vintage 3M CrO2 tapes and they sound different from both the BASF and the > cobalts. I think the sound of the Khrome tape is between a cobalt's sound > and a pure CrO2, but more toward the CrO2 sound. They're sure quieter than > BASF, which to me has a gritty noise floor that the Khrome doesn't. > > As to the price, understand that this is a newly-produced, newly-designed, > fresh tape, and not something that has been sitting in a warehouse for > years, and that we're not selling millions of them -- yet -- so like with > any new technology the first are a higher cost than a little later after > bulk sales have occurred and the 1000's and 1000's of R&D dollars (not to > mention 3 years of efforts). Also, our book keeper pointed out to me that if > you adjust the selling price of TDK-SA or Maxell UD-XLII from 1970s dollars > to 2011 dollars, you were paying almost the equivalent of $7 or 8 today. > I've seen several NOS cassette tapes selling for as much or more, and I've > seen NOS tapes sell for a whole lot less. > > So it's a bargain, and I'm sure you'll never noticed I'm really, really > biased and just want to sell you bunches and bunches of tapes so I can go > out and buy more shoes. > > But the great thing about free markets is that if you don't like CrO2 tapes > or think they're overprices, you don't have to buy them. The tapes are a pet > project, we'd love to see then sell in the millions, but if they don't it's > okay, we're doing it so that there is an alternative for dedicated cassette > owners: you don't have to be limited to only NOS tapes that will from now on > become more scarce and their prices will go up over tine, but our prices > will go down once everybody decides to starting buying our tapes (either > CrO2 or Cobalt). Maybe I shouldn't confess this, but I plan to buy some NOS > TDK and Maxell as well as using our Khrome tapes. > > I hope this doesn't come off snarky because I don't mean it that way. But > honestly, I do appreciate the comment on the price ... any comment good or > bad is a big help to me and the others here. > > Oh, and I believe the Cobalt-doped tapes will be available mid-February, > assuming no more R&D problems crop up at the last minute. > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 1:44 AM, > > wrote: > > > Hi > 8 bucks for a chromium tape is a bit steep. I was never a fan of CrO2 tapes > in the first place so great news Cobalt dopped tapes are in line. Chromium > dioxide formulation was developed by PDM company and then licenced to BASF > --> EMTEC. No other producer had the technology. So your tape is probably > EMTEC. > > CC > > Dnia 6 stycznia 2011 3:47 Julie Kessler > > napisał(a): > > > Hi Ram, Lauren and Everyone! > > I'm getting a shopping cart set up ... which is really confusing because > they don't write the directions in Blondese and I'm not a programmer. > > But until then I can send a Paypal invoice to anyone who wants tapes ... > contact me off-list for that. > > I'm thinking of putting a "Buy It Now" button on the Khrome web page but > can't figure out how to set it up for shipping costs outside the USA. If > somebody knows the secret language of PayPal buttons, write me off list. in > other words, Help! I've fallen and can't get up (sorry, that's tacky!). > This is my first experience with being responsible for the sales of a > product, so bear with me while I figure all of it out. > > Thanks! > > On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 7:13 PM, Ram > > wrote: > > How does one buy these tapes? KVG Labs site does not mention how to buy > these tapes. > Thanks Julie. > Ram. > > > > On Jan 5, 2011, at 5:10 PM, Julie Kessler > > wrote: > > Hi Tim, > > Boy, awesome question! We've been developing the tape for the last 3 years, > working with a manufacturer of tape coating to create this tape. Oh, and its > the first of 3 tape formulations we'll be introducing this year: Khrome > (now), Khobalt and Khromax. Sorry, there are no plans yet for a metal > particle tape, though it's being worked on. For now, until sales pick up, > it's just C90's, but I think C60's are going to be available soon. > > Kermit wanted the Khrome cassette to sound like the old 1970s BASF > Chromdioxid II, but quieter and with smoother, warmer high. The BASF has > sort of hard sounding highs. (I got to hear NOS BASF tapes). Another thing > is that Kermit wanted the tape to not only sound awesome on high-end > cassette decks, but to make cheaper casssettre decks sound better than the > yusually sound. that's why we tested the tapes on cheaper decks as well as > high-end makes. They seem quiet to me, and can take high recording peaks > cleanly, assuming a good cassette deck, of course. > > The specs are: > a. 10kHz +0.5dB Frequency Response, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at 300 > Hz. > b. 10kHz, -6.5dB Maximum Output Level, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at > 300 Hz. > c. 1700 Gauss Retentivity. > d. 380 Oersteds Coercivity. > e. 58 dB Signal-To-Noise Ratio, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at 300 Hz. > f. +4.5 dB to +8.5 dB Peak Recording Levels, referred to 215 nWb/M > fluxivity at 300 Hz. > > (Oh, and those measurements are averaged from how the tape performs on a > Nakamichi 600-II, Nakamichi 680ZX, Revox B710 Mk. II, and Pioneer > CT-F9191.) > > I got to be part of this R&D project and really jumped at the chance > because it meant that I'd get to listen to a lot of different cassette > decks. Getting paid for listening to cassette decks is a dream job! > > > It's for sale now for $7.99 USD each, or $39.95 for a 6-pack, or $59.95 for > a 10 pack. Right now, we just have a small quantity because we want to see > how it sells before we authorize full-scale production. It's my job to put > the labels and tape cases together, and I goofed on the design of the > J-cards. So the first ones may not have J-cards, but I'll send blank ones > and when I get the printed ones fixed I'll send them along if you want them. > Oh, and they were supposed to be shrink wrapped, but I asked if we could not > shrink wrap them to save the plastic waste, and it was agreed. > > (I knew I should have waited until next week to go on vacation!) > > On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Tim and Pam Sepper < > timpamsepper at cox.net > wrote: > > Just saw this new tape Khrome by KVG Labs and wondering if anybody has > any pros or cons about it yet? Similar to TDK/Maxell type II formulations? > High headroom? Low noise? > > > http://www.kvglabs.com/khromec90.html > > Tim > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! > http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.commailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > -- > -- Julie Kessler > juliek at kvglabs.com > Artist Development Executive > KVG Laboratories > I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered > http://www.kvglabs.com > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! > http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > -- > -- Julie Kessler > juliek at kvglabs.com > Artist Development Executive > KVG Laboratories > I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered > http://www.kvglabs.com > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.commailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > -- > -- Julie Kessler > juliek at kvglabs.com > Artist Development Executive > KVG Laboratories > I Found The Sound! 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They definitely aren't making CrO2 tapes, because their sales were so small compared to the Ferric and their competitor's cobalt-doped cassette stock. So there's no more BASF/EMTEC CrO2 cassette tapes being made new. That's a pity, I wish the tape companies were still making the variety of blank cassettes they used to. According to recording industry statistics, sales of audio cassettes is rapidly declining, so I think it's really gutsy of Kermit to sign the "go-ahead order" and begin to make tapes for a dying format. That's why Iove working here, because all of what we do is about the passion of the product, regardless whether it makes any business sense. Passion sells, though! But you know, I don't really agree with the big wigs f the recording industry. Maybe it's a skewed view of life, but I see all the interest on the Internet to keep cassettes alive, like Naktalk and other groups I lurk in where they are passionate about Revox, Tandberg and even decks like Yamaha, Akai, Technics or Teac! Then you see what cassette decks go for on eBay, and wow, I gotta say the cassette medium looks alive and well to me! Besides, they said the LP was dead and that wasn't true! Viva La Nak! On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi, > > Does EMTEC still makes them? > Bala > > ------------------------------ > *From:* "cles at o2.pl" > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Thu, January 6, 2011 3:44:39 PM > > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Khrome tape by KVG Labs > > > Hi > 8 bucks for a chromium tape is a bit steep. I was never a fan of CrO2 tapes > in the first place so great news Cobalt dopped tapes are in line. Chromium > dioxide formulation was developed by PDM company and then licenced to BASF > --> EMTEC. No other producer had the technology. So your tape is probably > EMTEC. > > CC > > Dnia 6 stycznia 2011 3:47 Julie Kessler > napisał(a): > > > Hi Ram, Lauren and Everyone! > > I'm getting a shopping cart set up ... which is really confusing because > they don't write the directions in Blondese and I'm not a programmer. > > But until then I can send a Paypal invoice to anyone who wants tapes ... > contact me off-list for that. > > I'm thinking of putting a "Buy It Now" button on the Khrome web page but > can't figure out how to set it up for shipping costs outside the USA. If > somebody knows the secret language of PayPal buttons, write me off list. in > other words, Help! I've fallen and can't get up (sorry, that's tacky!). > This is my first experience with being responsible for the sales of a > product, so bear with me while I figure all of it out. > > Thanks! > > On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 7:13 PM, Ram wrote: > >> How does one buy these tapes? KVG Labs site does not mention how to buy >> these tapes. >> Thanks Julie. >> Ram. >> >> >> >> On Jan 5, 2011, at 5:10 PM, Julie Kessler >> wrote: >> >> Hi Tim, >> >> Boy, awesome question! We've been developing the tape for the last 3 >> years, working with a manufacturer of tape coating to create this tape. Oh, >> and its the first of 3 tape formulations we'll be introducing this year: >> Khrome (now), Khobalt and Khromax. Sorry, there are no plans yet for a metal >> particle tape, though it's being worked on. For now, until sales pick up, >> it's just C90's, but I think C60's are going to be available soon. >> >> Kermit wanted the Khrome cassette to sound like the old 1970s BASF >> Chromdioxid II, but quieter and with smoother, warmer high. The BASF has >> sort of hard sounding highs. (I got to hear NOS BASF tapes). Another thing >> is that Kermit wanted the tape to not only sound awesome on high-end >> cassette decks, but to make cheaper casssettre decks sound better than the >> yusually sound. that's why we tested the tapes on cheaper decks as well as >> high-end makes. They seem quiet to me, and can take high recording peaks >> cleanly, assuming a good cassette deck, of course. >> >> The specs are: >> a. 10kHz +0.5dB Frequency Response, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at 300 >> Hz. >> b. 10kHz, -6.5dB Maximum Output Level, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at >> 300 Hz. >> c. 1700 Gauss Retentivity. >> d. 380 Oersteds Coercivity. >> e. 58 dB Signal-To-Noise Ratio, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at 300 Hz. >> f. +4.5 dB to +8.5 dB Peak Recording Levels, referred to 215 nWb/M >> fluxivity at 300 Hz. >> >> (Oh, and those measurements are averaged from how the tape performs on a >> Nakamichi 600-II, Nakamichi 680ZX, Revox B710 Mk. II, and Pioneer >> CT-F9191.) >> >> I got to be part of this R&D project and really jumped at the chance >> because it meant that I'd get to listen to a lot of different cassette >> decks. Getting paid for listening to cassette decks is a dream job! >> >> >> It's for sale now for $7.99 USD each, or $39.95 for a 6-pack, or $59.95 >> for a 10 pack. Right now, we just have a small quantity because we want to >> see how it sells before we authorize full-scale production. It's my job to >> put the labels and tape cases together, and I goofed on the design of the >> J-cards. So the first ones may not have J-cards, but I'll send blank ones >> and when I get the printed ones fixed I'll send them along if you want them. >> Oh, and they were supposed to be shrink wrapped, but I asked if we could not >> shrink wrap them to save the plastic waste, and it was agreed. >> >> (I knew I should have waited until next week to go on vacation!) >> >> On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Tim and Pam Sepper < >> timpamsepper at cox.net> wrote: >> >>> Just saw this new tape Khrome by KVG Labs and wondering if anybody has >>> any pros or cons about it yet? Similar to TDK/Maxell type II formulations? >>> High headroom? Low noise? >>> >>> >>> http://www.kvglabs.com/khromec90.html >>> >>> Tim >>> >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! >>> http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: >>> >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> -- Julie Kessler >> juliek at kvglabs.com >> Artist Development Executive >> KVG Laboratories >> I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered >> http://www.kvglabs.com >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! >> http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > > -- > -- Julie Kessler > juliek at kvglabs.com > Artist Development Executive > KVG Laboratories > I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered > http://www.kvglabs.com > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! 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At 05:44 PM 1/9/2011, you wrote: >Bala, > >I found the email I got back from our RMGI rep >(we buy alot of RMGI tape to feed the studio's >hungry reel-to-reels) and he stated that the >only cassette stock they sell is bulk pancake in >two different Ferric (normal bias) oxides, and >in different thicknesses for loading into C-0 >cassette shells uo to C-120 finished length. >They definitely aren't making CrO2 tapes, >because their sales were so small compared to >the Ferric and their competitor's cobalt-doped >cassette stock. So there's no more BASF/EMTEC >CrO2 cassette tapes being made new. That's a >pity, I wish the tape companies were still >making the variety of blank cassettes they used to. > >According to recording industry statistics, >sales of audio cassettes is rapidly declining, >so I think it's really gutsy of Kermit to sign >the "go-ahead order" and begin to make tapes for >a dying format. That's why Iove working here, >because all of what we do is about the passion >of the product, regardless whether it makes any >business sense. Passion sells, though! > >But you know, I don't really agree with the big >wigs f the recording industry. Maybe it's a >skewed view of life, but I see all the interest >on the Internet to keep cassettes alive, like >Naktalk and other groups I lurk in where they >are passionate about Revox, Tandberg and even >decks like Yamaha, Akai, Technics or Teac! Then >you see what cassette decks go for on eBay, and >wow, I gotta say the cassette medium looks alive >and well to me! Besides, they said the LP was dead and that wasn't true! > >Viva La Nak! > >On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Bala Ganesh >Chandra <bg3009 at yahoo.com> wrote: >Hi, > >Does EMTEC still makes them? >Bala > > >From: "cles at o2.pl" <cles at o2.pl> >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks ><naktalk at naks.com> >Sent: Thu, January 6, 2011 3:44:39 PM > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Khrome tape by KVG Labs > > >Hi >8 bucks for a chromium tape is a bit steep. I >was never a fan of CrO2 tapes in the first place >so great news Cobalt dopped tapes are in line. >Chromium dioxide formulation was developed by >PDM company and then licenced to BASF --> EMTEC. >No other producer had the technology. So your tape is probably EMTEC. > >CC > >Dnia 6 stycznia 2011 3:47 Julie Kessler ><juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com> >napisał(a): > > >Hi Ram, Lauren and Everyone! > >I'm getting a shopping cart set up ... which is >really confusing because they don't write the >directions in Blondese and I'm not a programmer. > >But until then I can send a Paypal invoice to >anyone who wants tapes ... contact me off-list for that. > >I'm thinking of putting a "Buy It Now" button on >the Khrome web page but can't figure out how to >set it up for shipping costs outside the USA. If >somebody knows the secret language of PayPal >buttons, write me off list. in other words, >Help! I've fallen and can't get up (sorry, >that's tacky!). This is my first experience >with being responsible for the sales of a >product, so bear with me while I figure all of it out. > >Thanks! > >On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 7:13 PM, Ram ><shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote: >How does one buy these tapes? KVG Labs site does >not mention how to buy these tapes. >Thanks Julie. >Ram. > > > >On Jan 5, 2011, at 5:10 PM, Julie Kessler ><juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com> wrote: > >Hi Tim, > >Boy, awesome question! We've been developing the >tape for the last 3 years, working with a >manufacturer of tape coating to create this >tape. Oh, and its the first of 3 tape >formulations we'll be introducing this year: >Khrome (now), Khobalt and Khromax. Sorry, there >are no plans yet for a metal particle tape, >though it's being worked on. For now, until >sales pick up, it's just C90's, but I think >C60's are going to be available soon. > >Kermit wanted the Khrome cassette to sound like >the old 1970s BASF Chromdioxid II, but quieter >and with smoother, warmer high. The BASF has >sort of hard sounding highs. (I got to hear NOS >BASF tapes). Another thing is that Kermit wanted >the tape to not only sound awesome on high-end >cassette decks, but to make cheaper casssettre >decks sound better than the yusually sound. >that's why we tested the tapes on cheaper decks >as well as high-end makes. They seem quiet to >me, and can take high recording peaks cleanly, >assuming a good cassette deck, of course. > >The specs are: >a. 10kHz +0.5dB Frequency Response, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at 300 Hz. >b. 10kHz, -6.5dB Maximum Output Level, referred >to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at 300 Hz. >c. 1700 Gauss Retentivity. >d. 380 Oersteds Coercivity. >e. 58 dB Signal-To-Noise Ratio, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at 300 Hz. >f. +4.5 dB to +8.5 dB Peak Recording Levels, >referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at 300 Hz. > >(Oh, and those measurements are averaged from >how the tape performs on a Nakamichi 600-II, >Nakamichi 680ZX, Revox B710 Mk. II, and Pioneer CT-F9191.) > >I got to be part of this R&D project and really >jumped at the chance because it meant that I'd >get to listen to a lot of different cassette >decks. Getting paid for listening to cassette decks is a dream job! > > >It's for sale now for $7.99 USD each, or $39.95 >for a 6-pack, or $59.95 for a 10 pack. Right >now, we just have a small quantity because we >want to see how it sells before we authorize >full-scale production. It's my job to put the >labels and tape cases together, and I goofed on >the design of the J-cards. So the first ones may >not have J-cards, but I'll send blank ones and >when I get the printed ones fixed I'll send them >along if you want them. Oh, and they were >supposed to be shrink wrapped, but I asked if we >could not shrink wrap them to save the plastic waste, and it was agreed. > >(I knew I should have waited until next week to go on vacation!) > >On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 >at 10:39 PM, Tim and Pam Sepper ><timpamsepper at cox.net> wrote: >Just saw this new tape Khrome by KVG Labs and >wondering if anybody has any pros or cons about >it yet? Similar to TDK/Maxell type II >formulations? High headroom? Low noise? > >http://www.kvglabs.com/khromec90.html > >Tim > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >-- >-- Julie Kessler >juliek at kvglabs.com >Artist Development Executive >KVG Laboratories >I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered >http://www.kvglabs.com > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Also check out the >wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >-- >-- Julie Kessler >juliek at kvglabs.com >Artist Development Executive >KVG Laboratories >I Found The Sound! 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URL: From laurenh at gmail.com Mon Jan 10 18:28:58 2011 From: laurenh at gmail.com (Lauren Horn) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 08:28:58 -0900 Subject: [naktalk] Khrome tape by KVG Labs In-Reply-To: References: <000301cbabc9$694002d0$3bc00870$@net> <782E09F1-8733-44A4-A503-E34F1E4CB2DE@yahoo.com> <760912.28554.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I've ordered a couple of evaluation tapes, to be enjoyed as soon as my deck has had enough of the local dealer's tender mercies. Can't wait! I have a question, though, that I'll start in a separate thread. 2011/1/9 Julie Kessler : > Bala, > > I found the email I got back from our RMGI rep (we buy alot of RMGI tape to > feed the studio's hungry reel-to-reels) and he stated that the only cassette > stock they sell is bulk pancake in two different Ferric (normal bias) > oxides, and in different thicknesses for loading into C-0 cassette shells uo > to C-120 finished length. They definitely aren't making CrO2 tapes, because > their sales were so small compared to the Ferric and their competitor's > cobalt-doped cassette stock. So there's no more BASF/EMTEC CrO2 cassette > tapes being made new. That's a pity, I wish the tape companies were still > making the variety of blank cassettes they used to. > > According to recording industry statistics, sales of audio cassettes is > rapidly declining, so I think it's really gutsy of Kermit to sign the > "go-ahead order" and begin to make tapes for a dying format. That's why Iove > working here, because all of what we do is about the passion of the product, > regardless whether it makes any business sense. Passion sells, though! > > But you know, I don't really agree with the big wigs f the recording > industry. Maybe it's a skewed view of life, but I see all the interest on > the Internet to keep cassettes alive, like Naktalk and other groups I lurk > in where they are passionate about Revox, Tandberg and even decks like > Yamaha, Akai, Technics or Teac! Then you see what cassette decks go for on > eBay, and wow, I gotta say the cassette medium looks alive and well to me! > Besides, they said the LP was dead and that wasn't true! > > Viva La Nak! > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra > wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> Does EMTEC still makes them? >> Bala >> >> ________________________________ >> From: "cles at o2.pl" >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Sent: Thu, January 6, 2011 3:44:39 PM >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Khrome tape by KVG Labs >> >> >> Hi >> 8 bucks for a chromium tape is a bit steep. I was never a fan of CrO2 >> tapes in the first place so great news Cobalt dopped tapes are in line. >> Chromium dioxide formulation was developed by PDM company and then licenced >> to BASF --> EMTEC. No other producer had the technology. So your tape is >> probably EMTEC. >> >> CC >> >> Dnia 6 stycznia 2011 3:47 Julie Kessler >> napisał(a): >> >> >> Hi Ram, Lauren and Everyone! >> >> I'm getting a shopping cart set up ... which is really confusing because >> they don't write the directions in Blondese and I'm not  a programmer. >> >> But until then I can send a Paypal invoice to anyone who wants tapes ... >> contact me off-list for that. >> >> I'm thinking of putting a "Buy It Now" button on the Khrome web page but >> can't figure out how to set it up for shipping costs outside the USA. If >> somebody knows the secret language of PayPal buttons,  write me off list. in >> other words, Help! I've fallen and can't get up (sorry, that's tacky!). >> This is my first experience with being responsible for the sales of a >> product, so bear with me while I figure all of it out. >> >> Thanks! >> >> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 7:13 PM, Ram wrote: >>> >>> How does one buy these tapes? KVG Labs site does not mention how to buy >>> these tapes. >>> Thanks Julie. >>> Ram. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jan 5, 2011, at 5:10 PM, Julie Kessler >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Tim, >>> >>> Boy, awesome question! We've been developing the tape for the last 3 >>> years, working with a manufacturer of tape coating to create this tape. Oh, >>> and its the first of 3 tape formulations we'll be introducing this year: >>> Khrome (now), Khobalt and Khromax. Sorry, there are no plans yet for a metal >>> particle tape, though it's being worked on.  For now, until sales pick up, >>> it's just C90's, but I think C60's are going to be available soon. >>> >>> Kermit wanted the Khrome cassette to sound like the old 1970s BASF >>> Chromdioxid II, but quieter and with smoother, warmer high. The BASF has >>> sort of hard sounding highs. (I got to hear NOS BASF tapes). Another thing >>> is that Kermit wanted the tape to not only sound awesome on high-end >>> cassette decks, but to make cheaper casssettre decks sound better than the >>> yusually sound. that's why we tested the tapes on cheaper decks as well as >>> high-end makes. They seem quiet to me, and can take high recording peaks >>> cleanly, assuming a good cassette deck, of course. >>> >>> The specs are: >>> a. 10kHz +0.5dB Frequency Response, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at >>> 300 Hz. >>> b. 10kHz, -6.5dB Maximum Output Level, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at >>> 300 Hz. >>> c. 1700 Gauss Retentivity. >>> d. 380 Oersteds Coercivity. >>> e. 58 dB Signal-To-Noise Ratio, referred to 215 nWb/M fluxivity at 300 >>> Hz. >>> f. +4.5 dB to +8.5 dB Peak Recording Levels, referred to 215 nWb/M >>> fluxivity at 300 Hz. >>> >>> (Oh, and those measurements are averaged from how the tape performs on a >>> Nakamichi 600-II, Nakamichi 680ZX,  Revox B710 Mk. II, and Pioneer >>> CT-F9191.) >>> >>> I got to be part of this R&D project and really jumped at the chance >>> because it meant that I'd get to listen to a lot of different cassette >>> decks. Getting paid for listening to cassette decks is a dream job! >>> >>> >>> It's for sale now for $7.99 USD each, or $39.95 for a 6-pack, or $59.95 >>> for a 10 pack. Right now, we just have a small quantity because we want to >>> see how it sells before we authorize full-scale production. It's my job to >>> put the labels and tape cases together, and I goofed on the design of the >>> J-cards. So the first ones may not have J-cards, but I'll send blank ones >>> and when I get the printed ones fixed I'll send them along if you want them. >>> Oh, and they were supposed to be shrink wrapped, but I asked if we could not >>> shrink wrap them to save the plastic waste, and it was agreed. >>> >>> (I knew I should have waited until next week to go on vacation!) >>> >>> On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Tim and Pam Sepper >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Just saw this new tape Khrome by KVG Labs and wondering if anybody has >>>> any pros or cons about it yet?  Similar to TDK/Maxell type II formulations? >>>> High headroom?  Low noise? >>>> >>>> http://www.kvglabs.com/khromec90.html >>>> >>>> Tim >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> -- Julie Kessler >>> juliek at kvglabs.com >>> Artist Development Executive >>> KVG Laboratories >>> I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered >>> http://www.kvglabs.com >>> >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> -- >> -- Julie Kessler >> juliek at kvglabs.com >> Artist Development Executive >> KVG Laboratories >> I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered >> http://www.kvglabs.com >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! >> http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > -- > -- Julie Kessler > juliek at kvglabs.com > Artist Development Executive > KVG Laboratories > I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered > http://www.kvglabs.com > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From laurenh at gmail.com Mon Jan 10 18:36:08 2011 From: laurenh at gmail.com (Lauren Horn) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 08:36:08 -0900 Subject: [naktalk] Adjusting bias on 2-head decks Message-ID: I hope to have a newly serviced and adjusted LX-3 in my stable before long. I picked the LX-3 partly because it's a relatively simple deck, with (I hope) less to go wrong and (I hope) prospects for a longer service life. I've always wanted a three-head deck, but an LX-5 hasn't yet appeared at the local thrift stores (my secret is out!) , and shipping to Alaska is a killer. I have a couple of different tapes to use with this deck: a classic Maxell XL-II (the last of my old stock from the '80s), and the KVG tapes I hope to see in the mail soon. The LX-3 has a bias adjust knob, but how does one use it without a tone generator or oscilloscope? I could certainly make a tone generator easily enough, or buy a suitable app for my iPhone. Likewise, I could get a simple o-scope app for it (though those tend to be pricey). Perhaps all I need to do is watch the VU meters for output at a selection of recorded frequencies, and then repeat them at various positions of the bias adjustment knob? From willy at willyhermannservices.com Mon Jan 10 20:51:49 2011 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 11:51:49 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Adjusting bias on 2-head decks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Here's an old trick which actually works very well. Do you still have an FM tuner? If so, take it out of mute and tune to a dead space between channels to create quasi white noise. Record this noise at least 10dB below zero. As you're recording it turn the bias adjust knob from center all the way clockwise noting the position on the tape counter as you do -- 1=1 o'clock on the knob, 2=2 o'clock etc. Then play it back and switch between FM and Tape on your preamp as you play. You will hear the high frequency change. See if there's a spot where the source and tape sound very close to the same. If the high frequency on the tape gets worse from centered to the clockwise stop, repeat the procedure turning the knob counterclockwise. You should be able to find a spot where the source and tape sound very close. I have used this trick many times and then compared my settings to correct using a signal generator and meter. It's amazing how accurate your ear is. Best of luck, Willy On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 9:36 AM, Lauren Horn wrote: > I hope to have a newly serviced and adjusted LX-3 in my stable before > long. I picked the LX-3 partly because it's a relatively simple deck, > with (I hope) less to go wrong and (I hope) prospects for a longer > service life. I've always wanted a three-head deck, but an LX-5 > hasn't yet appeared at the local thrift stores (my secret is out!) , > and shipping to Alaska is a killer. > > I have a couple of different tapes to use with this deck: a classic > Maxell XL-II (the last of my old stock from the '80s), and the KVG > tapes I hope to see in the mail soon. The LX-3 has a bias adjust > knob, but how does one use it without a tone generator or > oscilloscope? > > I could certainly make a tone generator easily enough, or buy a > suitable app for my iPhone. Likewise, I could get a simple o-scope > app for it (though those tend to be pricey). Perhaps all I need to do > is watch the VU meters for output at a selection of recorded > frequencies, and then repeat them at various positions of the bias > adjustment knob? > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From laurenh at gmail.com Mon Jan 10 21:42:22 2011 From: laurenh at gmail.com (Lauren Horn) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 11:42:22 -0900 Subject: [naktalk] Adjusting bias on 2-head decks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That's quite a good idea. I have one Mitsubishi tuner, their first digital synthesized model. If I can get static on it, I'll try that (I'm guessing my ears will perform as you predict.) Otherwise, I'll see if I have a pink noise generator that I've forgotten, or perhaps an app for it. Thanks! On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Willy Hermann wrote: > Here's an old trick which actually works very well.  Do you still have an FM > tuner?  If so, take it out of mute and tune to a dead space between channels > to create quasi white noise.  Record this noise at least 10dB below zero. >  As you're recording it turn the bias adjust knob from center all the way > clockwise noting the position on the tape counter as you do -- 1=1 o'clock > on the knob, 2=2 o'clock etc.  Then play it back and switch between FM and > Tape on your preamp as you play.  You will hear the high frequency change. >  See if there's a spot where the source and tape sound very close to the > same.  If the high frequency on the tape gets worse from centered to the > clockwise stop, repeat the procedure turning the knob counterclockwise.  You > should be able to find a spot where the source and tape sound very close. > I have used this trick many times and then compared my settings to correct > using a signal generator and meter.  It's amazing how accurate your ear is. > Best of luck, > Willy > > On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 9:36 AM, Lauren Horn wrote: >> >> I hope to have a newly serviced and adjusted LX-3 in my stable before >> long.  I picked the LX-3 partly because it's a relatively simple deck, >> with (I hope) less to go wrong and (I hope) prospects for a longer >> service life.  I've always wanted a three-head deck, but an LX-5 >> hasn't yet appeared at the local thrift stores (my secret is out!) , >> and shipping to Alaska is a killer. >> >> I have a couple of different tapes to use with this deck: a classic >> Maxell XL-II (the last of my old stock from the '80s), and the KVG >> tapes I hope to see in the mail soon.  The LX-3 has a bias adjust >> knob, but how does one use it without a tone generator or >> oscilloscope? >> >> I could certainly make a tone generator easily enough, or buy a >> suitable app for my iPhone.  Likewise, I could get a simple o-scope >> app for it (though those tend to be pricey).  Perhaps all I need to do >> is watch the VU meters for output at a selection of recorded >> frequencies, and then repeat them at various positions of the bias >> adjustment knob? >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From mark8559 at hotmail.com Mon Jan 10 20:54:47 2011 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 12:54:47 -0700 Subject: FW: [naktalk] Adjusting bias on 2-head decks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've owned and sold two LX-3's and two LX-5's. Great decks, therefore I've been keeping my first LX-5 since 2001. Refer to the owners guide for bias adjustment. If memory serves: Your bias adjustment source is FM radio on a 100% static area of the tuner. Record that sound at various bias settings. Then compare the sound of the FM static on the tuner to the different bias sound settings you just recorded on the tape by doing an A/B comparison test. > Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 08:36:08 -0900 > From: laurenh at gmail.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Adjusting bias on 2-head decks > > I hope to have a newly serviced and adjusted LX-3 in my stable before > long. I picked the LX-3 partly because it's a relatively simple deck, > with (I hope) less to go wrong and (I hope) prospects for a longer > service life. I've always wanted a three-head deck, but an LX-5 > hasn't yet appeared at the local thrift stores (my secret is out!) , > and shipping to Alaska is a killer. > > I have a couple of different tapes to use with this deck: a classic > Maxell XL-II (the last of my old stock from the '80s), and the KVG > tapes I hope to see in the mail soon. The LX-3 has a bias adjust > knob, but how does one use it without a tone generator or > oscilloscope? > > I could certainly make a tone generator easily enough, or buy a > suitable app for my iPhone. Likewise, I could get a simple o-scope > app for it (though those tend to be pricey). Perhaps all I need to do > is watch the VU meters for output at a selection of recorded > frequencies, and then repeat them at various positions of the bias > adjustment knob? > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 12 21:24:24 2011 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 12:24:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Adjusting bias on 2-head decks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <822165.39256.qm@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The "white noise" works very well.  I've used this method also. Bob N --- On Mon, 1/10/11, Lauren Horn wrote: From: Lauren Horn Subject: Re: [naktalk] Adjusting bias on 2-head decks To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, January 10, 2011, 12:42 PM That's quite a good idea. I have one Mitsubishi tuner, their first digital synthesized model. If I can get static on it, I'll try that (I'm guessing my ears will perform as you predict.)  Otherwise, I'll see if I have a pink noise generator that I've forgotten, or perhaps an app for it. Thanks! On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Willy Hermann wrote: > Here's an old trick which actually works very well.  Do you still have an FM > tuner?  If so, take it out of mute and tune to a dead space between channels > to create quasi white noise.  Record this noise at least 10dB below zero. >  As you're recording it turn the bias adjust knob from center all the way > clockwise noting the position on the tape counter as you do -- 1=1 o'clock > on the knob, 2=2 o'clock etc.  Then play it back and switch between FM and > Tape on your preamp as you play.  You will hear the high frequency change. >  See if there's a spot where the source and tape sound very close to the > same.  If the high frequency on the tape gets worse from centered to the > clockwise stop, repeat the procedure turning the knob counterclockwise.  You > should be able to find a spot where the source and tape sound very close. > I have used this trick many times and then compared my settings to correct > using a signal generator and meter.  It's amazing how accurate your ear is. > Best of luck, > Willy > > On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 9:36 AM, Lauren Horn wrote: >> >> I hope to have a newly serviced and adjusted LX-3 in my stable before >> long.  I picked the LX-3 partly because it's a relatively simple deck, >> with (I hope) less to go wrong and (I hope) prospects for a longer >> service life.  I've always wanted a three-head deck, but an LX-5 >> hasn't yet appeared at the local thrift stores (my secret is out!) , >> and shipping to Alaska is a killer. >> >> I have a couple of different tapes to use with this deck: a classic >> Maxell XL-II (the last of my old stock from the '80s), and the KVG >> tapes I hope to see in the mail soon.  The LX-3 has a bias adjust >> knob, but how does one use it without a tone generator or >> oscilloscope? >> >> I could certainly make a tone generator easily enough, or buy a >> suitable app for my iPhone.  Likewise, I could get a simple o-scope >> app for it (though those tend to be pricey).  Perhaps all I need to do >> is watch the VU meters for output at a selection of recorded >> frequencies, and then repeat them at various positions of the bias >> adjustment knob? >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From laurenh at gmail.com Thu Jan 13 02:00:21 2011 From: laurenh at gmail.com (Lauren Horn) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 16:00:21 -0900 Subject: [naktalk] Adjusting bias on 2-head decks In-Reply-To: <822165.39256.qm@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <822165.39256.qm@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks. I'll be looking into it as soon as I can get that deck off the bench. :) On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Bob Naylor wrote: > The "white noise" works very well. I've used this method also. > Bob N > > --- On *Mon, 1/10/11, Lauren Horn * wrote: > > > From: Lauren Horn > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Adjusting bias on 2-head decks > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Monday, January 10, 2011, 12:42 PM > > > That's quite a good idea. > > I have one Mitsubishi tuner, their first digital synthesized model. > If I can get static on it, I'll try that (I'm guessing my ears will > perform as you predict.) Otherwise, I'll see if I have a pink noise > generator that I've forgotten, or perhaps an app for it. > > Thanks! > > On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Willy Hermann > > > wrote: > > Here's an old trick which actually works very well. Do you still have an > FM > > tuner? If so, take it out of mute and tune to a dead space between > channels > > to create quasi white noise. Record this noise at least 10dB below zero. > > As you're recording it turn the bias adjust knob from center all the way > > clockwise noting the position on the tape counter as you do -- 1=1 > o'clock > > on the knob, 2=2 o'clock etc. Then play it back and switch between FM > and > > Tape on your preamp as you play. You will hear the high frequency > change. > > See if there's a spot where the source and tape sound very close to the > > same. If the high frequency on the tape gets worse from centered to the > > clockwise stop, repeat the procedure turning the knob counterclockwise. > You > > should be able to find a spot where the source and tape sound very close. > > I have used this trick many times and then compared my settings to > correct > > using a signal generator and meter. It's amazing how accurate your ear > is. > > Best of luck, > > Willy > > > > On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 9:36 AM, Lauren Horn > > wrote: > >> > >> I hope to have a newly serviced and adjusted LX-3 in my stable before > >> long. I picked the LX-3 partly because it's a relatively simple deck, > >> with (I hope) less to go wrong and (I hope) prospects for a longer > >> service life. I've always wanted a three-head deck, but an LX-5 > >> hasn't yet appeared at the local thrift stores (my secret is out!) , > >> and shipping to Alaska is a killer. > >> > >> I have a couple of different tapes to use with this deck: a classic > >> Maxell XL-II (the last of my old stock from the '80s), and the KVG > >> tapes I hope to see in the mail soon. The LX-3 has a bias adjust > >> knob, but how does one use it without a tone generator or > >> oscilloscope? > >> > >> I could certainly make a tone generator easily enough, or buy a > >> suitable app for my iPhone. Likewise, I could get a simple o-scope > >> app for it (though those tend to be pricey). Perhaps all I need to do > >> is watch the VU meters for output at a selection of recorded > >> frequencies, and then repeat them at various positions of the bias > >> adjustment knob? > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.commailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.commailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.commailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Thu Jan 13 07:41:28 2011 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 22:41:28 -0800 Subject: FW: [naktalk] Adjusting bias on 2-head decks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: White noise can be thought of as a wideband signal generator. If you have an equalizer or other sound-processor with a visual display of amplitude in, say, eight or more frequency bands, you can use this as an adjunct to your ear. When setting up a cassette deck, it is imperative to first calibrate the playback amplifiers so that the reference levels are correct, and the frequency response is flat (or as nearly flat as you can make it.) After this, the recording circuitry can be calibrated. When I set up tape decks as far as bias and recording levels, I do so for a particular tape, e.g. TDK SA-X. I usually find that the bias and recording levels *work in tandem. *A problem that generally affects all tape recorders, but especially cassette decks, is the matter of headroom, and headroom translates to what I call EDR (effective dynamic range). You will often find a kind of "sweet spot" in the combination of bias, recording EQ (if adjustable) and record level that affords a "best headroom". To maximize headroom, the "industry" came up with two enhancements. One was metal tape. The other was HX pro. Good luck with your machine! Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Mark Exstedt wrote: > I've owned and sold two LX-3's and two LX-5's. > Great decks, therefore I've been keeping my first LX-5 since 2001. > Refer to the owners guide for bias adjustment. > If memory serves: > Your bias adjustment source is FM radio on a 100% static area of the tuner. > Record that sound at various bias settings. > Then compare the sound of the FM static on the tuner to the different bias > sound settings you just recorded on the tape by doing an A/B comparison > test. > > > Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 08:36:08 -0900 > > From: laurenh at gmail.com > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Adjusting bias on 2-head decks > > > > I hope to have a newly serviced and adjusted LX-3 in my stable before > > long. I picked the LX-3 partly because it's a relatively simple deck, > > with (I hope) less to go wrong and (I hope) prospects for a longer > > service life. I've always wanted a three-head deck, but an LX-5 > > hasn't yet appeared at the local thrift stores (my secret is out!) , > > and shipping to Alaska is a killer. > > > > I have a couple of different tapes to use with this deck: a classic > > Maxell XL-II (the last of my old stock from the '80s), and the KVG > > tapes I hope to see in the mail soon. The LX-3 has a bias adjust > > knob, but how does one use it without a tone generator or > > oscilloscope? > > > > I could certainly make a tone generator easily enough, or buy a > > suitable app for my iPhone. Likewise, I could get a simple o-scope > > app for it (though those tend to be pricey). 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URL: From nakdoc77 at gmail.com Fri Jan 14 21:32:28 2011 From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com (Tom Brucker) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 14:32:28 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Need Service manual or cards for 1000 II In-Reply-To: <0LEN00I96UYD5T10@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> References: <201101071210.p07C1q8E007181@zxe.naks.com> <0LEN00I96UYD5T10@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: Are you searching for circuit boards or extenders for service? Most 1000 II problems are cured by retensioning the edge connectors. I have a set of extension cables that allow operation of the cards outside the deck. I doubt any other techs have these. tom brucker On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 10:25 AM, Marc Stager wrote: > I have a very nice looking Nak 1000 II acquired recently, > I was looking to sell it as is, It is mechanically and cosmetically fine > but > does not play (both channels) or record on the right channel, but I didn't > get any reasonable offers. > > The power supply seems to be fine and the mechanism works perfectly. > I made a 3K tone recording on the left side and played it on my 682XX. > No flutter and on speed, and music reproduced perfectly with TDK SA. > So I'd like to see if i can get those preamps going. It is very easy to > service, > with it's plug-in cards. > > So if anyone has a lead for a service manual, or record, bias, and/or > play cards, I would be very interested. > > Thanks, > Marc Stager > ) ) ) ) ) ) > Stager Sound Systems, > New York City > http://marc.stager.com/ > tel: 212-595-4065 > cel: 212-675-6000 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Tom Brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Pike Nashville, TN USA 37220 hitech77 at earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jgreenb2 at mac.com Wed Jan 19 04:46:31 2011 From: jgreenb2 at mac.com (Jeff Greenberg) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 22:46:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR7A Problem! Message-ID: <5BDDE3A9-BAD3-447A-88C5-2B9D9DF303EB@mac.com> I have a Nak CR7A (sn 08051) that is acting up. The take-up reel often fails to spin and the deck shuts off to prevent damage. This happens for all transport modes (play/rew/ff). Occasionally it *will* work for a while and then stop. Oddly I have one tape (a metal shell TDK) that seems immune to the problem. But all other tapes with normal plastic shells (TDK SA, SA-X, Sony UX, etc.) have the issue. I am the second owner of the deck and have put very few hours on it over the last few years. It does have the gear upgrade (I've taken it apart enough to verify this) so it doesn't seem like an idler problem. Any ideas on what could cause this and how (or who can) fix it? Thanks! -- Jeff From luis at peromarta.org Wed Jan 19 11:46:59 2011 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 11:46:59 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR7A Problem! In-Reply-To: <5BDDE3A9-BAD3-447A-88C5-2B9D9DF303EB@mac.com> References: <5BDDE3A9-BAD3-447A-88C5-2B9D9DF303EB@mac.com> Message-ID: <6750AC03-1425-469F-B684-BDE866CB880F@peromarta.org> Have you checked the idler tyre ? Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos El 19/01/2011, a las 04:46, Jeff Greenberg escribió: > I have a Nak CR7A (sn 08051) that is acting up. The take-up reel often fails to spin and the deck shuts off to prevent damage. This happens for all transport modes (play/rew/ff). Occasionally it *will* work for a while and then stop. Oddly I have one tape (a metal shell TDK) that seems immune to the problem. But all other tapes with normal plastic shells (TDK SA, SA-X, Sony UX, etc.) have the issue. > > I am the second owner of the deck and have put very few hours on it over the last few years. It does have the gear upgrade (I've taken it apart enough to verify this) so it doesn't seem like an idler problem. > > Any ideas on what could cause this and how (or who can) fix it? > > Thanks! > > -- Jeff > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Wed Jan 19 16:53:05 2011 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 08:53:05 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR7A Problem! In-Reply-To: <6750AC03-1425-469F-B684-BDE866CB880F@peromarta.org> References: <5BDDE3A9-BAD3-447A-88C5-2B9D9DF303EB@mac.com> <6750AC03-1425-469F-B684-BDE866CB880F@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <000901cbb7f0$f6cd39f0$e467add0$@math.utah.edu> When the reel turns, does it have some torque? Do the capstans turn? Vic -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Luis Peromarta Regert Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 3:47 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7A Problem! Have you checked the idler tyre ? Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos El 19/01/2011, a las 04:46, Jeff Greenberg escribió: > I have a Nak CR7A (sn 08051) that is acting up. The take-up reel often fails to spin and the deck shuts off to prevent damage. This happens for all transport modes (play/rew/ff). Occasionally it *will* work for a while and then stop. Oddly I have one tape (a metal shell TDK) that seems immune to the problem. But all other tapes with normal plastic shells (TDK SA, SA-X, Sony UX, etc.) have the issue. > > I am the second owner of the deck and have put very few hours on it over the last few years. It does have the gear upgrade (I've taken it apart enough to verify this) so it doesn't seem like an idler problem. > > Any ideas on what could cause this and how (or who can) fix it? > > Thanks! > > -- Jeff > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > ==== ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bobschneider8 at comcast.net Wed Jan 19 16:01:43 2011 From: bobschneider8 at comcast.net (bobschneider8 at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 15:01:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] CR7A Problem! In-Reply-To: <5BDDE3A9-BAD3-447A-88C5-2B9D9DF303EB@mac.com> Message-ID: <549133251.1449442.1295449303144.JavaMail.root@sz0045a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Could be oxidation inside the reel motor.  I had the same problem on mine.  I fixed it by removing the motor, spraying DeOxit inside of it, and running it with a 9V battery (both directions).  That seemed to clean out whatever had messed up the interior contacts - I haven't had any problems since. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Greenberg" To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 9:46:31 PM Subject: [naktalk] CR7A Problem! I have a Nak CR7A (sn 08051) that is acting up. The take-up reel often fails to spin and the deck shuts off to prevent damage. This happens for all transport modes (play/rew/ff). Occasionally it *will* work for a while and then stop. Oddly I have one tape (a metal shell TDK) that seems immune to the problem. But all other tapes with normal plastic shells (TDK SA, SA-X, Sony UX, etc.) have the issue. I am the second owner of the deck and have put very few hours on it over the last few years. It does have the gear upgrade (I've taken it apart enough to verify this) so it doesn't seem like an idler problem. Any ideas on what could cause this and how (or who can) fix it? Thanks! -- Jeff ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se Wed Jan 19 17:00:49 2011 From: paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?P=E4r_Ericsson?=) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 17:00:49 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR7A Problem! References: <5BDDE3A9-BAD3-447A-88C5-2B9D9DF303EB@mac.com> Message-ID: <717714DDA0FD492BB83DCAFBCC704F74@superdator> To me it sounds like a bad reel motor. They fail pretty often./Pelle. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Greenberg" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 4:46 AM Subject: [naktalk] CR7A Problem! >I have a Nak CR7A (sn 08051) that is acting up. The take-up reel often >fails to spin and the deck shuts off to prevent damage. This happens for >all transport modes (play/rew/ff). Occasionally it *will* work for a while >and then stop. Oddly I have one tape (a metal shell TDK) that seems immune >to the problem. But all other tapes with normal plastic shells (TDK SA, >SA-X, Sony UX, etc.) have the issue. > > I am the second owner of the deck and have put very few hours on it over > the last few years. It does have the gear upgrade (I've taken it apart > enough to verify this) so it doesn't seem like an idler problem. > > Any ideas on what could cause this and how (or who can) fix it? > > Thanks! > > -- Jeff > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From mike.kehr1 at gmail.com Wed Jan 19 20:33:21 2011 From: mike.kehr1 at gmail.com (Mike Kehr) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 14:33:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon- mo audio signal at input Message-ID: Hello All, I have an issue with a dragon. There is not any audio signal at the inputs when in source. The internal tests: Level and Bias work perfectly. I have been researching and it appears that there is a proprietary circuit for the Auto Fader system. Cds 301, which contains a photocoupler. The guy who I got the deck from said that he diagnosed with ESL that the photocoupler may be the reason for the no audio signal. He replaced it with another from a parts dragon and it worked perfectly! He then bench tested the deck and could not get it to fail. Well now I have the Dragon and the same symptoms??? Any help would be greatly appreciated... He is also looking into this. Thanks in Advance, mike kehr MIke Kehr Studo Owner/Creative Artist Mike Kehr Photography Inc. 610.388.7808 • 302.234.9080 http://www.mkphoto.com mike at mkphoto.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This electronic mail may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and/or otherwise protected from disclosure to anyone other than its intended recipient (s). Any dissemination or use of this electronic mail or its contents by persons other than the intended recipient (s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail so that we may correct our internal records. Please then delete the original message. Thank you. Sent from my iPhone -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jgreenb2 at mac.com Wed Jan 19 22:16:15 2011 From: jgreenb2 at mac.com (Jeff Greenberg) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 21:16:15 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [naktalk] CR7A Problem! In-Reply-To: <717714DDA0FD492BB83DCAFBCC704F74@superdator> Message-ID: <57676888-3136-6594-8935-ff4f48e5b14c@me.com> The reel motor seems to be a consensus! Thanks for the help. If anyone has any tips on removing the motor I'd be glad to learn from your experience. -- Jeff On Jan 19, 2011, at 03:27 PM, Pär Ericsson wrote: To me it sounds like a bad reel motor. They fail pretty often./Pelle. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Greenberg" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 4:46 AM Subject: [naktalk] CR7A Problem! >I have a Nak CR7A (sn 08051) that is acting up. The take-up reel often >fails to spin and the deck shuts off to prevent damage. This happens for >all transport modes (play/rew/ff). Occasionally it *will* work for a while >and then stop. Oddly I have one tape (a metal shell TDK) that seems immune >to the problem. But all other tapes with normal plastic shells (TDK SA, >SA-X, Sony UX, etc.) have the issue. > > I am the second owner of the deck and have put very few hours on it over > the last few years. It does have the gear upgrade (I've taken it apart > enough to verify this) so it doesn't seem like an idler problem. > > Any ideas on what could cause this and how (or who can) fix it? > > Thanks! > > -- Jeff > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.nakscom/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From laurenh at gmail.com Fri Jan 21 12:25:05 2011 From: laurenh at gmail.com (Lauren Horn) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 02:25:05 -0900 Subject: [naktalk] How much Nak is there in this deck? Message-ID: I have a Kyocera D-611 rescued from a thrift store. It's cosmetically excellent, but the transport screams if I try to play or fast wind. Before I go much further down the road with this (which I'll do just to kill time while I wait for the LX-3 to get out of the shop), I want to check out a rumor: some say that this is a Nak in costume. I'm skeptical; perhaps the transport is of Nakamichi make, but the heads and electronics? Hmmm. If there isn't any Nak DNA in this thing, I'll frown over it myself and not clutter up the list with further mention. Thanks, all, for your wisdom. -Lauren From bobschneider8 at comcast.net Sat Jan 22 00:36:18 2011 From: bobschneider8 at comcast.net (Robert Schneider) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 17:36:18 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] CR7A Problem! In-Reply-To: <57676888-3136-6594-8935-ff4f48e5b14c@me.com> References: <57676888-3136-6594-8935-ff4f48e5b14c@me.com> Message-ID: <4D3A1872.5080509@comcast.net> Here's a link to a site which shows how to remove the transport and fix the control motor. This is a different motor than the reel motor. It's possible that your problem is in the control motor, so you can try this procedure first. If that doesn't work, you're most of the way to getting the reel motor out http://www.vintagecassette.com/naksarticle.jsp?article=77171 Hope this helps On 1/19/11 3:16 PM, Jeff Greenberg wrote: > The reel motor seems to be a consensus! Thanks for the help. If anyone > has any tips on removing the motor I'd be glad to learn from your > experience. > > -- Jeff > > On Jan 19, 2011, at 03:27 PM, Pär Ericsson > wrote: > > From d_h_gore at yahoo.com Sat Jan 22 02:51:27 2011 From: d_h_gore at yahoo.com (Don Gore) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 17:51:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 reel motor brushes Message-ID: <729217.27314.qm@web65715.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Hello: I opened the Nakamichi 480 reel motor to discover brushes which looks like a 3 prong fork with half the outside fork burnt off. 2.5 legs on each side remain. Does anybody know of any brush solutions ? Anybody have any luck replacing them ? I see no speed control on the other end. The pulley looks pressed on. DG -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Sat Jan 22 14:53:55 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 05:53:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR7A Problem! In-Reply-To: <4D3A1872.5080509@comcast.net> References: <57676888-3136-6594-8935-ff4f48e5b14c@me.com> <4D3A1872.5080509@comcast.net> Message-ID: <109810.82150.qm@web130102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It's unlikely his problem lies with the control motor. I would check the reel motor first. -- Ron ________________________________ From: Robert Schneider To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Fri, January 21, 2011 6:36:18 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7A Problem! Here's a link to a site which shows how to remove the transport and fix the control motor. This is a different motor than the reel motor. It's possible that your problem is in the control motor, so you can try this procedure first. If that doesn't work, you're most of the way to getting the reel motor out http://www.vintagecassette.com/naksarticle.jsp?article=77171 Hope this helps On 1/19/11 3:16 PM, Jeff Greenberg wrote: > The reel motor seems to be a consensus! Thanks for the help. If anyone has any >tips on removing the motor I'd be glad to learn from your experience. > > -- Jeff > > On Jan 19, 2011, at 03:27 PM, Pär Ericsson wrote: > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Sat Jan 22 15:11:57 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 06:11:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 reel motor brushes In-Reply-To: <729217.27314.qm@web65715.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <729217.27314.qm@web65715.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <345257.36722.qm@web130105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Don, I doubt you'll find replacement brushes anywhere. However, parts 480s are available, from which the motor can be cannibalized. There is no speed adjustment for the reel motor. speed during PLAY is controlled by a (fixed) electronic governor. -- Ron ________________________________ From: Don Gore To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Fri, January 21, 2011 8:51:27 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 reel motor brushes Hello: I opened the Nakamichi 480 reel motor to discover brushes which looks like a 3 prong fork with half the outside fork burnt off. 2.5 legs on each side remain. Does anybody know of any brush solutions ? Anybody have any luck replacing them ? I see no speed control on the other end. The pulley looks pressed on. DG -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gbtowbars at bigpond.com Sat Jan 22 23:36:25 2011 From: gbtowbars at bigpond.com (GB TOWBARS) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 09:36:25 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX maintenance Message-ID: <037301cbba84$cdd0be50$69723af0$@com> I have a pristine 680ZX and have not used it for a while, what basic maintenance should I do before I fire it up again and listen to it's clear and melodious output? Ben A vanderVeldt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From d_h_gore at yahoo.com Sat Jan 22 23:43:10 2011 From: d_h_gore at yahoo.com (Don Gore) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 14:43:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 reel motor brushes In-Reply-To: <345257.36722.qm@web130105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <729217.27314.qm@web65715.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <345257.36722.qm@web130105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <823075.93210.qm@web65708.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> I found a source for $3. I went to a military surplus store known to have tons of parts. My favorite place to go. One isle is full of motors and about 4- 5 bins ( shoe box) full of 12V motors. I matched the size to several which could work. I chose the same mfg. removed the brush assembly and the Back PC board. The swap was an exact match on the brush and assembly. Cleaned the Armature with a exacto small file, and it works great. just like new. Beats buying an unknown used one or an overpriced new one ($50). Also it would be another step to remove the pully. It looks pressed in. Yes I see the lack of speed control which is why I swapped motor PC boards. I see the electronic governor Q414 and 415 in the repair manual. One more thing that was wrong was the fast forward switch to ground Q413 was burnt. Any info on the RPM of the reel motors ? 2000, 3000 rpm ? Don ________________________________ From: Ron To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sat, January 22, 2011 9:11:57 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 reel motor brushes Don, I doubt you'll find replacement brushes anywhere. However, parts 480s are available, from which the motor can be cannibalized. There is no speed adjustment for the reel motor. speed during PLAY is controlled by a (fixed) electronic governor. -- Ron ________________________________ From: Don Gore To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Fri, January 21, 2011 8:51:27 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 reel motor brushes Hello: I opened the Nakamichi 480 reel motor to discover brushes which looks like a 3 prong fork with half the outside fork burnt off. 2.5 legs on each side remain. Does anybody know of any brush solutions ? Anybody have any luck replacing them ? I see no speed control on the other end. The pulley looks pressed on. DG -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Pls excuse typos El 22/01/2011, a las 23:36, "GB TOWBARS" escribió: > I have a pristine 680ZX and have not used it for a while, what basic maintenance should I do before I fire it up again and listen to it’s clear and melodious output? > > > > Ben A vanderVeldt > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 23 04:11:13 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 19:11:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX maintenance In-Reply-To: <037301cbba84$cdd0be50$69723af0$@com> References: <037301cbba84$cdd0be50$69723af0$@com> Message-ID: <519507.72700.qm@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Ben, It really depends where and how long the deck has been sitting. If it is in a nice air-conditioned storage, then a tape path and electronics alignment may be all you would need. But if is not in ideal conditions, your best bet would be to perform a complete cleanup of the transport and electronics, change of belts, clean-up of the electronics and perhaps change of some capacitors. This has to be followed up by a thorough alignment. Sounds like lots of work? Maybe, but a pristine 680ZX is a beautiful deck and looks as good as it sounds. Good Luck! Bala ________________________________ From: GB TOWBARS To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sun, January 23, 2011 6:36:25 AM Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX maintenance I have a pristine 680ZX and have not used it for a while, what basic maintenance should I do before I fire it up again and listen to it’s clear and melodious output? Ben A vanderVeldt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Sun Jan 23 15:41:43 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 06:41:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 reel motor brushes In-Reply-To: <823075.93210.qm@web65708.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <729217.27314.qm@web65715.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <345257.36722.qm@web130105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <823075.93210.qm@web65708.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <144592.62825.qm@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > I found a source for $3. WOW!!! Way to go. >Any info on the RPM of the reel motors? Don't worry about it. It falls where it may. A more important characteristic, by far, is the lowest voltage. I don't remember the figure for the classic transport, but Sankyo transports require reliable starting at 1.5V or so. I test this with a bench power supply, but a simple test is to install and check for reliable PLAY takeup at the very end of a C120 cassette. -- Ron ________________________________ From: Don Gore To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sat, January 22, 2011 5:43:10 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 reel motor brushes I found a source for $3. I went to a military surplus store known to have tons of parts. My favorite place to go. One isle is full of motors and about 4- 5 bins ( shoe box) full of 12V motors. I matched the size to several which could work. I chose the same mfg. removed the brush assembly and the Back PC board. The swap was an exact match on the brush and assembly. Cleaned the Armature with a exacto small file, and it works great. just like new. Beats buying an unknown used one or an overpriced new one ($50). Also it would be another step to remove the pully. It looks pressed in. Yes I see the lack of speed control which is why I swapped motor PC boards. I see the electronic governor Q414 and 415 in the repair manual. One more thing that was wrong was the fast forward switch to ground Q413 was burnt. Any info on the RPM of the reel motors ? 2000, 3000 rpm ? Don ________________________________ From: Ron To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sat, January 22, 2011 9:11:57 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 reel motor brushes Don, I doubt you'll find replacement brushes anywhere. However, parts 480s are available, from which the motor can be cannibalized. There is no speed adjustment for the reel motor. speed during PLAY is controlled by a (fixed) electronic governor. -- Ron ________________________________ From: Don Gore To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Fri, January 21, 2011 8:51:27 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 reel motor brushes Hello: I opened the Nakamichi 480 reel motor to discover brushes which looks like a 3 prong fork with half the outside fork burnt off. 2.5 legs on each side remain. Does anybody know of any brush solutions ? Anybody have any luck replacing them ? I see no speed control on the other end. The pulley looks pressed on. DG -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeruff at yahoo.com Sun Jan 23 16:32:25 2011 From: jeruff at yahoo.com (jesse ruff) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 07:32:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX maintenance In-Reply-To: <519507.72700.qm@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <144392.74764.qm@web83712.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Speaking of pristine 680ZX's...I just picked one up this past Christmas while visiting family in Florida.  Found one from original owner.  It came with origingal box, outer shipping box, manual, service manual, and 10 TDK MA-R90 tapes (2 sealed).  Plus a nakamichi zx c-15 mealloy tape--I'm guessing it is for sampling recording capabilities?  Anyways, I thought $300 was a pretty fair price   Deck "seems" to work great, but the guy said it's never been serviced, and I'm not sure how much use it's gotten lately.  So I'm in a similar predicament.  Jesse --- On Sat, 1/22/11, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680ZX maintenance To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Saturday, January 22, 2011, 10:11 PM Hi Ben, It really depends where and how long the deck has been sitting. If it is in a nice air-conditioned storage, then a tape path and electronics alignment may be all you would need. But if is not in ideal conditions, your best bet would be to perform a complete cleanup of the transport and electronics, change of belts, clean-up of the electronics and perhaps change of some capacitors. This has to be followed up by a thorough alignment. Sounds like lots of work? Maybe, but a pristine 680ZX is a beautiful deck and looks as good as it sounds. Good Luck! Bala From: GB TOWBARS To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sun, January 23, 2011 6:36:25 AM Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX maintenance I have a pristine 680ZX and have not used it for a while, what basic maintenance should I do before I fire it up again and listen to it’s clear and melodious output?  Ben A vanderVeldt -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From d_h_gore at yahoo.com Sun Jan 23 17:15:45 2011 From: d_h_gore at yahoo.com (Don Gore) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 08:15:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 reel motor brushes In-Reply-To: <144592.62825.qm@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <729217.27314.qm@web65715.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <345257.36722.qm@web130105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <823075.93210.qm@web65708.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <144592.62825.qm@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <234460.73796.qm@web65715.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> So a makeshift torque test is a C120 tape. Sounds reasonable. On the other hand it would be nice to have a nicer faster reel speed. Do you know the reason why one direction is faster than the other ? Brush drag vs push ? Motor winding optimized for one direction ? Three windings and 3 takeoffs to brush on reel motor. I would guess the proper procedure for removing and replacing the brass pulley would involve finding a small tiny rod or punch to remove and using a brass flat surface for installation ( on opposite end to keep from denting end) Any thoughts from anyone ? ________________________________ From: Ron To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sun, January 23, 2011 9:41:43 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 reel motor brushes > I found a source for $3. WOW!!! Way to go. >Any info on the RPM of the reel motors? Don't worry about it. It falls where it may. A more important characteristic, by far, is the lowest voltage. I don't remember the figure for the classic transport, but Sankyo transports require reliable starting at 1.5V or so. I test this with a bench power supply, but a simple test is to install and check for reliable PLAY takeup at the very end of a C120 cassette. -- Ron ________________________________ From: Don Gore To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sat, January 22, 2011 5:43:10 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 reel motor brushes I found a source for $3. I went to a military surplus store known to have tons of parts. My favorite place to go. One isle is full of motors and about 4- 5 bins ( shoe box) full of 12V motors. I matched the size to several which could work. I chose the same mfg. removed the brush assembly and the Back PC board. The swap was an exact match on the brush and assembly. Cleaned the Armature with a exacto small file, and it works great. just like new. Beats buying an unknown used one or an overpriced new one ($50). Also it would be another step to remove the pully. It looks pressed in. Yes I see the lack of speed control which is why I swapped motor PC boards. I see the electronic governor Q414 and 415 in the repair manual. One more thing that was wrong was the fast forward switch to ground Q413 was burnt. Any info on the RPM of the reel motors ? 2000, 3000 rpm ? Don ________________________________ From: Ron To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sat, January 22, 2011 9:11:57 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 reel motor brushes Don, I doubt you'll find replacement brushes anywhere. However, parts 480s are available, from which the motor can be cannibalized. There is no speed adjustment for the reel motor. speed during PLAY is controlled by a (fixed) electronic governor. -- Ron ________________________________ From: Don Gore To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Fri, January 21, 2011 8:51:27 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 reel motor brushes Hello: I opened the Nakamichi 480 reel motor to discover brushes which looks like a 3 prong fork with half the outside fork burnt off. 2.5 legs on each side remain. Does anybody know of any brush solutions ? Anybody have any luck replacing them ? I see no speed control on the other end. The pulley looks pressed on. DG -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 24 01:51:38 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 16:51:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX maintenance In-Reply-To: <144392.74764.qm@web83712.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <144392.74764.qm@web83712.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <351399.96136.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Jesse, At $300, you got yourself a beautiful Christmas present! If you picked it up from the original owner and it has never been serviced, then it definitely needs one! A thorough overhaul would be good to replace worn and aged parts, as well as calibration and all to get the deck back to prime condition internally. Cheers, Bala ________________________________ From: jesse ruff To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sun, January 23, 2011 11:32:25 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680ZX maintenance Speaking of pristine 680ZX's...I just picked one up this past Christmas while visiting family in Florida. Found one from original owner. It came with origingal box, outer shipping box, manual, service manual, and 10 TDK MA-R90 tapes (2 sealed). Plus a nakamichi zx c-15 mealloy tape--I'm guessing it is for sampling recording capabilities? Anyways, I thought $300 was a pretty fair price Deck "seems" to work great, but the guy said it's never been serviced, and I'm not sure how much use it's gotten lately. So I'm in a similar predicament. Jesse --- On Sat, 1/22/11, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680ZX maintenance >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Date: Saturday, January 22, 2011, 10:11 PM > > >Hi Ben, > >It really depends where and how long the deck has been sitting. If it is in a >nice air-conditioned storage, then a tape path and electronics alignment may be >all you would need. But if is not in ideal conditions, your best bet would be to >perform a complete cleanup of the transport and electronics, change of belts, >clean-up of the electronics and perhaps change of some capacitors. This has to >be followed up by a thorough alignment. Sounds like lots of work? Maybe, but a >pristine 680ZX is a beautiful deck and looks as good as it sounds. Good Luck! > >Bala > > > > > ________________________________ From: GB TOWBARS >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Sun, January 23, 2011 6:36:25 AM >Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX maintenance > > >I have a pristine 680ZX and have not used it for a while, what basic maintenance >should I do before I fire it up again and listen to it’s clear and melodious >output? > >Ben A vanderVeldt > >-----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jfj_taylor at hotmail.com Mon Jan 24 00:07:26 2011 From: jfj_taylor at hotmail.com (john taylor) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 23:07:26 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 reel motor brushes In-Reply-To: <234460.73796.qm@web65715.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <729217.27314.qm@web65715.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>, <345257.36722.qm@web130105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, <823075.93210.qm@web65708.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>, <144592.62825.qm@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, <234460.73796.qm@web65715.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: just warm it up and it will slide off, boiling water or small blow torch even just resting a small soldering iron on the pulley should be enough and the reverse to fit of course ! regards, john. Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 08:15:45 -0800 From: d_h_gore at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 reel motor brushes To: naktalk at naks.com So a makeshift torque test is a C120 tape. Sounds reasonable. On the other hand it would be nice to have a nicer faster reel speed. Do you know the reason why one direction is faster than the other ? Brush drag vs push ? Motor winding optimized for one direction ? Three windings and 3 takeoffs to brush on reel motor. I would guess the proper procedure for removing and replacing the brass pulley would involve finding a small tiny rod or punch to remove and using a brass flat surface for installation ( on opposite end to keep from denting end) Any thoughts from anyone ? From: Ron To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sun, January 23, 2011 9:41:43 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 reel motor brushes > I found a source for $3. WOW!!! Way to go. >Any info on the RPM of the reel motors? Don't worry about it. It falls where it may. A more important characteristic, by far, is the lowest voltage. I don't remember the figure for the classic transport, but Sankyo transports require reliable starting at 1.5V or so. I test this with a bench power supply, but a simple test is to install and check for reliable PLAY takeup at the very end of a C120 cassette. -- Ron From: Don Gore To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sat, January 22, 2011 5:43:10 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 reel motor brushes I found a source for $3. I went to a military surplus store known to have tons of parts. My favorite place to go. One isle is full of motors and about 4- 5 bins ( shoe box) full of 12V motors. I matched the size to several which could work. I chose the same mfg. removed the brush assembly and the Back PC board. The swap was an exact match on the brush and assembly. Cleaned the Armature with a exacto small file, and it works great. just like new. Beats buying an unknown used one or an overpriced new one ($50). Also it would be another step to remove the pully. It looks pressed in. Yes I see the lack of speed control which is why I swapped motor PC boards. I see the electronic governor Q414 and 415 in the repair manual. One more thing that was wrong was the fast forward switch to ground Q413 was burnt. Any info on the RPM of the reel motors ? 2000, 3000 rpm ? Don From: Ron To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sat, January 22, 2011 9:11:57 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 reel motor brushes Don, I doubt you'll find replacement brushes anywhere. However, parts 480s are available, from which the motor can be cannibalized. There is no speed adjustment for the reel motor. speed during PLAY is controlled by a (fixed) electronic governor. -- Ron From: Don Gore To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Fri, January 21, 2011 8:51:27 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 reel motor brushes Hello: I opened the Nakamichi 480 reel motor to discover brushes which looks like a 3 prong fork with half the outside fork burnt off. 2.5 legs on each side remain. Does anybody know of any brush solutions ? Anybody have any luck replacing them ? I see no speed control on the other end. The pulley looks pressed on. DG ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeruff at yahoo.com Mon Jan 24 02:39:24 2011 From: jeruff at yahoo.com (jesse ruff) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 17:39:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX maintenance In-Reply-To: <351399.96136.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <802767.77208.qm@web83709.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Yea, I figure I could sell the tapes and recoup most of the cost of the deck, so it's hard to beat that (should I decide to sell the tapes at some point...).  I'd love to give it the old inside-out overhaul, but I think my career needs one first... Jesse --- On Sun, 1/23/11, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680ZX maintenance To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Sunday, January 23, 2011, 7:51 PM Hi Jesse, At $300, you got yourself a beautiful Christmas present! If you picked it up from the original owner and it has never been serviced, then it definitely needs one! A thorough overhaul would be good to replace worn and aged parts, as well as calibration and all to get the deck back to prime condition internally. Cheers, Bala From: jesse ruff To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sun, January 23, 2011 11:32:25 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680ZX maintenance Speaking of pristine 680ZX's...I just picked one up this past Christmas while visiting family in Florida.  Found one from original owner.  It came with origingal box, outer shipping box, manual, service manual, and 10 TDK MA-R90 tapes (2 sealed).  Plus a nakamichi zx c-15 mealloy tape--I'm guessing it is for sampling recording capabilities?  Anyways, I thought $300 was a pretty fair price   Deck "seems" to work great, but the guy said it's never been serviced, and I'm not sure how much use it's gotten lately.  So I'm in a similar predicament.  Jesse --- On Sat, 1/22/11, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680ZX maintenance To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Saturday, January 22, 2011, 10:11 PM Hi Ben, It really depends where and how long the deck has been sitting. If it is in a nice air-conditioned storage, then a tape path and electronics alignment may be all you would need. But if is not in ideal conditions, your best bet would be to perform a complete cleanup of the transport and electronics, change of belts, clean-up of the electronics and perhaps change of some capacitors. This has to be followed up by a thorough alignment. Sounds like lots of work? Maybe, but a pristine 680ZX is a beautiful deck and looks as good as it sounds. Good Luck! Bala From: GB TOWBARS To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sun, January 23, 2011 6:36:25 AM Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX maintenance I have a pristine 680ZX and have not used it for a while, what basic maintenance should I do before I fire it up again and listen to it’s clear and melodious output?  Ben A vanderVeldt -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From r1seals at yahoo.com Mon Jan 24 03:27:02 2011 From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 18:27:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX maintenance In-Reply-To: <144392.74764.qm@web83712.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <923692.88777.qm@web113307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Man How do some people fall into these kind of deals? good for you and enjoy  and you can always send it to tom nakdoc ( Tom Brucker) to get it up to snuff  well worth it. --- On Sun, 1/23/11, jesse ruff wrote: From: jesse ruff Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680ZX maintenance To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Sunday, January 23, 2011, 9:32 AM Speaking of pristine 680ZX's...I just picked one up this past Christmas while visiting family in Florida.  Found one from original owner.  It came with origingal box, outer shipping box, manual, service manual, and 10 TDK MA-R90 tapes (2 sealed).  Plus a nakamichi zx c-15 mealloy tape--I'm guessing it is for sampling recording capabilities?  Anyways, I thought $300 was a pretty fair price   Deck "seems" to work great, but the guy said it's never been serviced, and I'm not sure how much use it's gotten lately.  So I'm in a similar predicament.  Jesse --- On Sat, 1/22/11, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680ZX maintenance To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Saturday, January 22, 2011, 10:11 PM Hi Ben, It really depends where and how long the deck has been sitting. If it is in a nice air-conditioned storage, then a tape path and electronics alignment may be all you would need. But if is not in ideal conditions, your best bet would be to perform a complete cleanup of the transport and electronics, change of belts, clean-up of the electronics and perhaps change of some capacitors. This has to be followed up by a thorough alignment. Sounds like lots of work? Maybe, but a pristine 680ZX is a beautiful deck and looks as good as it sounds. Good Luck! Bala From: GB TOWBARS To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sun, January 23, 2011 6:36:25 AM Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX maintenance I have a pristine 680ZX and have not used it for a while, what basic maintenance should I do before I fire it up again and listen to it’s clear and melodious output?  Ben A vanderVeldt -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From perry.nak at comcast.net Mon Jan 24 16:25:50 2011 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 15:25:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] RE: 680zx maintenance Message-ID: <1704783970.2070616.1295882750874.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> What a fantastic deal. Basically you got a free perfect condition 680ZX when you bought some fantastic tapes for a good price! Depending on where you are located, I'd have your deck serviced to really enjoy it. Besides all the old rubber, there are often orange cap issues on 680s. I've done 3 680zx and a 660zx, and all needed orange caps replaced, but the end results were always worth it. The one in the display PCB is a PITA to do, but make sure it's caught. I also replace the few regular electrolytics in there so I never have to go back into the display. What otften happens, is a deck that has sat for a long time appears to work fine at first, but the components, when finally stressed after drying out and disused for so long, start to fail. I usually do the PS caps for that reason. Also, if you have it done, be sure to have them do the resistor mod for the "no sound when stop light burns out", and upgrade the cmos switches to HC versions for better sound and lower distortion. The Marrs capstan belt works excellent on it, but I don't think his kit includes the more difficult to find dual counter belts, which really have to be THIN. Like 1mm or less cross section. The originals are .8mm, but I've never been able to find them. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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All the 680 series decks used the same eject lever. Best of luck. Willy On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 10:28 AM, nigel vernon wrote: > > Hi, hope someone can help me out. I am looking for an eject lever for a > 682zx. Mine > has finally given up after a few super glue repairs. Tried B & W in UK but > they no longer have > a lever in stock.Any ideas where I might get one from? Many thanks. Nigel > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 25 02:19:35 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 17:19:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX maintenance In-Reply-To: <802767.77208.qm@web83709.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <802767.77208.qm@web83709.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <616898.12490.qm@web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Can't argue or put that one away. The decks could go on a bit without a TLC but life these days is not so forgiving is it? Regards, Bala ________________________________ From: jesse ruff To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Mon, January 24, 2011 9:39:24 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680ZX maintenance Yea, I figure I could sell the tapes and recoup most of the cost of the deck, so it's hard to beat that (should I decide to sell the tapes at some point...). I'd love to give it the old inside-out overhaul, but I think my career needs one first... Jesse --- On Sun, 1/23/11, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680ZX maintenance >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Date: Sunday, January 23, 2011, 7:51 PM > > >Hi Jesse, > >At $300, you got yourself a beautiful Christmas present! If you picked it up >from the original owner and it has never been serviced, then it definitely needs >one! A thorough overhaul would be good to replace worn and aged parts, as well >as calibration and all to get the deck back to prime condition internally. > > >Cheers, >Bala > > > > ________________________________ From: jesse ruff >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Sun, January 23, 2011 11:32:25 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680ZX maintenance > > >Speaking of pristine 680ZX's...I just picked one up this past Christmas while >visiting family in Florida. Found one from original owner. It came with >origingal box, outer shipping box, manual, service manual, and 10 TDK MA-R90 >tapes (2 sealed). Plus a nakamichi zx c-15 mealloy tape--I'm guessing it is for >sampling recording capabilities? Anyways, I thought $300 was a pretty fair >price Deck "seems" to work great, but the guy said it's never been serviced, >and I'm not sure how much use it's gotten lately. So I'm in a similar >predicament. > >Jesse > >--- On Sat, 1/22/11, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > >>From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680ZX maintenance >>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>Date: Saturday, January 22, 2011, 10:11 PM >> >> >>Hi Ben, >> >>It really depends where and how long the deck has been sitting. If it is in a >>nice air-conditioned storage, then a tape path and electronics alignment may be >>all you would need. But if is not in ideal conditions, your best bet would be to >>perform a complete cleanup of the transport and electronics, change of belts, >>clean-up of the electronics and perhaps change of some capacitors. This has to >>be followed up by a thorough alignment. Sounds like lots of work? Maybe, but a >>pristine 680ZX is a beautiful deck and looks as good as it sounds. Good Luck! >> >>Bala >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ From: GB TOWBARS >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Sent: Sun, January 23, 2011 6:36:25 AM >>Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX maintenance >> >> >>I have a pristine 680ZX and have not used it for a while, what basic maintenance >>should I do before I fire it up again and listen to it’s clear and melodious >>output? >> >>Ben A vanderVeldt >> >>-----Inline Attachment Follows----- >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >-----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, Bala ________________________________ From: nigel vernon To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, January 25, 2011 2:28:59 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] 682ZX eject lever Hi, hope someone can help me out. I am looking for an eject lever for a 682zx. Mine has finally given up after a few super glue repairs. Tried B & W in UK but they no longer have a lever in stock.Any ideas where I might get one from? Many thanks. Nigel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mike.kehr1 at gmail.com Tue Jan 25 07:50:18 2011 From: mike.kehr1 at gmail.com (MIke Kehr) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 01:50:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi T-100 Meter Issues ARGH!! Message-ID: <3F304F90-27ED-4066-BFCC-876DD4F67012@gmail.com> I recently purchased a used T-100. It has erratic meter display after the unit warms up.. I replaced a bad cap(1uf/350v) on the display board. It was a "fat" cap and was replaced with new. The display works fine and functions properly for about 5-10 minutes and then it acts erratic. I am running an audio signal(music) at the inputs and the function switch is set to "level". After displaying the audio signal for 10 minutes or so it then acts very sensitive and peaks out. Actually only the last indicator is lit, and sometimes no display at all. The new cap did stabilize it a bit, it really did not operate properly at all before the cap replacement. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I am new here and am excited to be a part of this very informative forum. thanks in advance, mike UPDATE: wow,worked for 3+ hours this time!! And then some symptoms again.... ARGH! soo frustrated.. So this is what I did in addition to replacing the 1uf/350v. I replaced the two axial caps(10uf 160v) and the radial 4.7uf 160volt pair. And the transistor Q 709-SCH1501) at the opposite side from the meter terminations... Still it works for an hour+ more if turned off for hours with signal passing through the input. It displays a signal fine and then it peaks and just shows the last Indicators. The room temp is about 60 degrees. The display also acts strangely in THD and wow and flutter modes. I also recapped the entire PS to e sure. Guess I will move forward and replace the remaining transistors on the display board.. Nakdoc suggested sending it in if I reach a dead end..I am almost there.. I probably should send it to a tech that is familiar with this unit need to have it calibrated anyway.... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmlevitz at yahoo.com Mon Jan 24 21:37:47 2011 From: jmlevitz at yahoo.com (jayson levitz) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 12:37:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX eject lever In-Reply-To: References: <200910201016.n9KA7wwH019539@zxe.naks.com>, Message-ID: <45205.72651.qm@web161906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Nigel, try ESL (Electronics Service Labs) at www.nakamichi.us Jayson  ________________________________ From: nigel vernon To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Mon, January 24, 2011 1:28:59 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] 682ZX eject lever Hi, hope someone can help me out. I am looking for an eject lever for a 682zx. Mine has finally given up after a few super glue repairs. Tried B & W in UK but they no longer have a lever in stock.Any ideas where I might get one from? Many thanks. Nigel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Tue Jan 25 11:46:57 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 02:46:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 reel motor brushes In-Reply-To: References: <729217.27314.qm@web65715.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>, <345257.36722.qm@web130105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, <823075.93210.qm@web65708.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>, <144592.62825.qm@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, <234460.73796.qm@web65715.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <926069.4654.qm@web130109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > So a makeshift torque test is a C120 tape. Well, this is the worst case scenario for takeup torque. If the deck consistently works OK under those condition, everything is likely fine. -- Ron ________________________________ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 08:15:45 -0800 From: d_h_gore at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 reel motor brushes To: naktalk at naks.com So a makeshift torque test is a C120 tape. Sounds reasonable. On the other hand it would be nice to have a nicer faster reel speed. Do you know the reason why one direction is faster than the other ? Brush drag vs push ? Motor winding optimized for one direction ? Three windings and 3 takeoffs to brush on reel motor. I would guess the proper procedure for removing and replacing the brass pulley would involve finding a small tiny rod or punch to remove and using a brass flat surface for installation ( on opposite end to keep from denting end) Any thoughts from anyone ? ________________________________ From: Ron To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sun, January 23, 2011 9:41:43 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 reel motor brushes > I found a source for $3. WOW!!! Way to go. >Any info on the RPM of the reel motors? Don't worry about it. It falls where it may. A more important characteristic, by far, is the lowest voltage. I don't remember the figure for the classic transport, but Sankyo transports require reliable starting at 1.5V or so. I test this with a bench power supply, but a simple test is to install and check for reliable PLAY takeup at the very end of a C120 cassette. -- Ron ________________________________ From: Don Gore To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sat, January 22, 2011 5:43:10 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 reel motor brushes I found a source for $3. I went to a military surplus store known to have tons of parts. My favorite place to go. One isle is full of motors and about 4- 5 bins ( shoe box) full of 12V motors. I matched the size to several which could work. I chose the same mfg. removed the brush assembly and the Back PC board. The swap was an exact match on the brush and assembly. Cleaned the Armature with a exacto small file, and it works great. just like new. Beats buying an unknown used one or an overpriced new one ($50). Also it would be another step to remove the pully. It looks pressed in. Yes I see the lack of speed control which is why I swapped motor PC boards. I see the electronic governor Q414 and 415 in the repair manual. One more thing that was wrong was the fast forward switch to ground Q413 was burnt. Any info on the RPM of the reel motors ? 2000, 3000 rpm ? Don ________________________________ From: Ron To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sat, January 22, 2011 9:11:57 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 reel motor brushes Don, I doubt you'll find replacement brushes anywhere. However, parts 480s are available, from which the motor can be cannibalized. There is no speed adjustment for the reel motor. speed during PLAY is controlled by a (fixed) electronic governor. -- Ron ________________________________ From: Don Gore To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Fri, January 21, 2011 8:51:27 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480 reel motor brushes Hello: I opened the Nakamichi 480 reel motor to discover brushes which looks like a 3 prong fork with half the outside fork burnt off. 2.5 legs on each side remain. Does anybody know of any brush solutions ? Anybody have any luck replacing them ? I see no speed control on the other end. The pulley looks pressed on. DG ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Tue Jan 25 11:53:04 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 02:53:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi T-100 Meter Issues ARGH!! In-Reply-To: <3F304F90-27ED-4066-BFCC-876DD4F67012@gmail.com> References: <3F304F90-27ED-4066-BFCC-876DD4F67012@gmail.com> Message-ID: <272111.31004.qm@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Get yourself a component freezer can. Get the unit to display the symptoms, then judiciously spray various discrete points around the signal path, starting at the display board, goinf backward. Shouldn't take long to isolate the problem source. Goof luck, -- Ron ________________________________ From: MIke Kehr To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tue, January 25, 2011 1:50:18 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi T-100 Meter Issues ARGH!! I recently purchased a used T-100. It has erratic meter display after the unit warms up.. I replaced a bad cap(1uf/350v) on the display board. It was a "fat" cap and was replaced with new. The display works fine and functions properly for about 5-10 minutes and then it acts erratic. I am running an audio signal(music) at the inputs and the function switch is set to "level". After displaying the audio signal for 10 minutes or so it then acts very sensitive and peaks out. Actually only the last indicator is lit, and sometimes no display at all. The new cap did stabilize it a bit, it really did not operate properly at all before the cap replacement. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I am new here and am excited to be a part of this very informative forum. thanks in advance, mike UPDATE: wow,worked for 3+ hours this time!! And then some symptoms again.... ARGH! soo frustrated.. So this is what I did in addition to replacing the 1uf/350v. I replaced the two axial caps(10uf 160v) and the radial 4.7uf 160volt pair. And the transistor Q 709-SCH1501) at the opposite side from the meter terminations... Still it works for an hour+ more if turned off for hours with signal passing through the input. It displays a signal fine and then it peaks and just shows the last Indicators. The room temp is about 60 degrees. The display also acts strangely in THD and wow and flutter modes. I also recapped the entire PS to e sure. Guess I will move forward and replace the remaining transistors on the display board.. Nakdoc suggested sending it in if I reach a dead end..I am almost there.. I probably should send it to a tech that is familiar with this unit need to have it calibrated anyway.... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mike.kehr1 at gmail.com Tue Jan 25 18:17:01 2011 From: mike.kehr1 at gmail.com (MIke Kehr) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 12:17:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi T-100 Meter Issues ARGH!! In-Reply-To: <272111.31004.qm@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <3F304F90-27ED-4066-BFCC-876DD4F67012@gmail.com> <272111.31004.qm@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <78E93134-1589-4726-809A-74E7CED7B526@gmail.com> that is my next step. will let you know how I make out. mike On Jan 25, 2011, at 5:53 AM, Ron wrote: > > Get yourself a component freezer can. Get the unit to display the > symptoms, > then judiciously spray various discrete points around the signal > path, starting > at the display board, goinf backward. Shouldn't take long to isolate > the > problem source. > > Goof luck, > > -- Ron > > > From: MIke Kehr > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Tue, January 25, 2011 1:50:18 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi T-100 Meter Issues ARGH!! > > I recently purchased a used T-100. It has erratic meter display > after the unit warms up.. I replaced a bad cap(1uf/350v) on the > display board. It was a "fat" cap and was replaced with new. The > display works fine and functions properly for about 5-10 minutes and > then it acts erratic. I am running an audio signal(music) at the > inputs and the function switch is set to "level". After displaying > the audio signal for 10 minutes or so it then acts very sensitive > and peaks out. Actually only the last indicator is lit, and > sometimes no display at all. The new cap did stabilize it a bit, it > really did not operate properly at all before the cap replacement. > Any help would be greatly appreciated. I am new here and am excited > to be a part of this very informative forum. > thanks in advance, > mike > > UPDATE: > > wow,worked for 3+ hours this time!! > And then some symptoms again.... ARGH! soo frustrated.. > So this is what I did in addition to replacing the 1uf/350v. > I replaced the two axial caps(10uf 160v) and the radial 4.7uf > 160volt pair. And the transistor Q 709-SCH1501) at the opposite side > from the meter terminations... Still it works for an hour+ more if > turned off for hours with signal passing through the input. It > displays a signal fine and then it peaks and just shows the last > Indicators. The room temp is about 60 degrees. The display also acts > strangely in THD and wow and flutter modes. > I also recapped the entire PS to e sure. Guess I will move forward > and replace the remaining transistors on the display board.. > Nakdoc suggested sending it in if I reach a dead end..I am almost > there.. 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URL: From gbtowbars at bigpond.com Tue Jan 25 16:00:39 2011 From: gbtowbars at bigpond.com (GB TOWBARS) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 02:00:39 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Naktalk Digest, Vol 95, Issue 18 In-Reply-To: <201101251232.p0PCNcLa006259@zxe.naks.com> References: <201101251232.p0PCNcLa006259@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <02c501cbbca0$a179bb90$e46d32b0$@com> Re 680zx maint, I have fired it up and checked everything just to see how it is after a few years and apart from a good clean it runs as good and clean as it did last time I listened. I have had this bad boy over 20 years, I think I bought it as a demo 12 months old. It just works. Nigel Vernon with the broken door lever, I had a mould made for these many years ago and can make one out of two pack urethane but I have to find the mould first as I have moved house twice since I last saw it. With the cost of the two pack to make a few they cost about $20 each polished and ready for service. I have had my new one in there for over 10 years and it is clearly stronger than the original. I will reply in this forum when I find the mould. Ben A vanderVeldt -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of naktalk-request at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, 25 January 2011 11:33 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 95, Issue 18 Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to naktalk-request at naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at naktalk-owner at naks.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." Naktalk digest mailing list Today's Topics: 1. RE: 680zx maintenance (perry.nak at comcast.net) 2. RE: 682ZX eject lever (nigel vernon) 3. Re: 682ZX eject lever (Willy Hermann) 4. Re: 680ZX maintenance (Bala Ganesh Chandra) 5. Re: 682ZX eject lever (Bala Ganesh Chandra) 6. Nakamichi T-100 Meter Issues ARGH!! (MIke Kehr) 7. Re: 682ZX eject lever (jayson levitz) 8. Re: Nakamichi 480 reel motor brushes (Ron) 9. Re: Nakamichi T-100 Meter Issues ARGH!! (Ron) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 15:25:50 +0000 (UTC) From: perry.nak at comcast.net Subject: [naktalk] RE: 680zx maintenance To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <1704783970.2070616.1295882750874.JavaMail.root at sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail. comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" What a fantastic deal. Basically you got a free perfect condition 680ZX when you bought some fantastic tapes for a good price! Depending on where you are located, I'd have your deck serviced to really enjoy it. Besides all the old rubber, there are often orange cap issues on 680s. I've done 3 680zx and a 660zx, and all needed orange caps replaced, but the end results were always worth it. The one in the display PCB is a PITA to do, but make sure it's caught. I also replace the few regular electrolytics in there so I never have to go back into the display. What otften happens, is a deck that has sat for a long time appears to work fine at first, but the components, when finally stressed after drying out and disused for so long, start to fail. I usually do the PS caps for that reason. Also, if you have it done, be sure to have them do the resistor mod for the "no sound when stop light burns out", and upgrade the cmos switches to HC versions for better sound and lower distortio! n. The Marrs capstan belt works excellent on it, but I don't think his kit includes the more difficult to find dual counter belts, which really have to be THIN. Like 1mm or less cross section. The originals are .8mm, but I've never been able to find them. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20110124/ad00a645/at tachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 18:28:59 +0000 From: nigel vernon Subject: RE: [naktalk] 682ZX eject lever To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi, hope someone can help me out. I am looking for an eject lever for a 682zx. Mine has finally given up after a few super glue repairs. Tried B & W in UK but they no longer have a lever in stock.Any ideas where I might get one from? Many thanks. Nigel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20110124/16a81d37/at tachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 13:07:42 -0800 From: Willy Hermann Subject: Re: [naktalk] 682ZX eject lever To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" If ESL doesn't have one (eslabs.com) your only alternative is to buy another 680 series deck and canabalize it. All the 680 series decks used the same eject lever. Best of luck. Willy On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 10:28 AM, nigel vernon wrote: > > Hi, hope someone can help me out. I am looking for an eject lever for a > 682zx. Mine > has finally given up after a few super glue repairs. Tried B & W in UK but > they no longer have > a lever in stock.Any ideas where I might get one from? Many thanks. Nigel > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20110124/c80fce2f/at tachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 17:19:35 -0800 (PST) From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680ZX maintenance To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <616898.12490.qm at web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Can't argue or put that one away. The decks could go on a bit without a TLC but life these days is not so forgiving is it? Regards, Bala ________________________________ From: jesse ruff To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Mon, January 24, 2011 9:39:24 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680ZX maintenance Yea, I figure I could sell the tapes and recoup most of the cost of the deck, so it's hard to beat that (should I decide to sell the tapes at some point...). I'd love to give it the old inside-out overhaul, but I think my career needs one first... Jesse --- On Sun, 1/23/11, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680ZX maintenance >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Date: Sunday, January 23, 2011, 7:51 PM > > >Hi Jesse, > >At $300, you got yourself a beautiful Christmas present! If you picked it up >from the original owner and it has never been serviced, then it definitely needs >one! A thorough overhaul would be good to replace worn and aged parts, as well >as calibration and all to get the deck back to prime condition internally. > > >Cheers, >Bala > > > > ________________________________ From: jesse ruff >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Sun, January 23, 2011 11:32:25 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680ZX maintenance > > >Speaking of pristine 680ZX's...I just picked one up this past Christmas while >visiting family in Florida. Found one from original owner. It came with >origingal box, outer shipping box, manual, service manual, and 10 TDK MA-R90 >tapes (2 sealed). Plus a nakamichi zx c-15 mealloy tape--I'm guessing it is for >sampling recording capabilities? Anyways, I thought $300 was a pretty fair >price Deck "seems" to work great, but the guy said it's never been serviced, >and I'm not sure how much use it's gotten lately. So I'm in a similar >predicament. > >Jesse > >--- On Sat, 1/22/11, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > >>From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680ZX maintenance >>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>Date: Saturday, January 22, 2011, 10:11 PM >> >> >>Hi Ben, >> >>It really depends where and how long the deck has been sitting. If it is in a >>nice air-conditioned storage, then a tape path and electronics alignment may be >>all you would need. But if is not in ideal conditions, your best bet would be to >>perform a complete cleanup of the transport and electronics, change of belts, >>clean-up of the electronics and perhaps change of some capacitors. This has to >>be followed up by a thorough alignment. Sounds like lots of work? Maybe, but a >>pristine 680ZX is a beautiful deck and looks as good as it sounds. Good Luck! >> >>Bala >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ From: GB TOWBARS >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Sent: Sun, January 23, 2011 6:36:25 AM >>Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX maintenance >> >> >>I have a pristine 680ZX and have not used it for a while, what basic maintenance >>should I do before I fire it up again and listen to itb From d_h_gore at yahoo.com Tue Jan 25 12:11:16 2011 From: d_h_gore at yahoo.com (Don Gore) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 03:11:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi T-100 Meter Issues ARGH!! In-Reply-To: <3F304F90-27ED-4066-BFCC-876DD4F67012@gmail.com> References: <3F304F90-27ED-4066-BFCC-876DD4F67012@gmail.com> Message-ID: <11383.44437.qm@web65702.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> "After unit warms up." Try component cooler to try to find bad component. Let unit fully warm up and see if meter pegs out by itself, or let it stay on and maybe turn intermit fault to hard fault. If you get hard fault remove lin log board to see if problem is before driver board. I would spray active components in driver board like Q703,704, IC701, Q701,Q705-Q708, IC703-704 when problem happens and see if it goes away. Radio shack sells cans of component cooler. I do not have T100 but just looked at schematic. It would be easier to isolate with known good T100 since you can swap PC boards and quickly isolate to faulty PC board. It is no wonder some people have more than one unit. Look for burn mark on pc boards or component which is too hot. DG ________________________________ From: MIke Kehr To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tue, January 25, 2011 1:50:18 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi T-100 Meter Issues ARGH!! I recently purchased a used T-100. It has erratic meter display after the unit warms up.. I replaced a bad cap(1uf/350v) on the display board. It was a "fat" cap and was replaced with new. The display works fine and functions properly for about 5-10 minutes and then it acts erratic. I am running an audio signal(music) at the inputs and the function switch is set to "level". After displaying the audio signal for 10 minutes or so it then acts very sensitive and peaks out. Actually only the last indicator is lit, and sometimes no display at all. The new cap did stabilize it a bit, it really did not operate properly at all before the cap replacement. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I am new here and am excited to be a part of this very informative forum. thanks in advance, mike UPDATE: wow,worked for 3+ hours this time!! And then some symptoms again.... ARGH! soo frustrated.. So this is what I did in addition to replacing the 1uf/350v. I replaced the two axial caps(10uf 160v) and the radial 4.7uf 160volt pair. And the transistor Q 709-SCH1501) at the opposite side from the meter terminations... Still it works for an hour+ more if turned off for hours with signal passing through the input. It displays a signal fine and then it peaks and just shows the last Indicators. The room temp is about 60 degrees. The display also acts strangely in THD and wow and flutter modes. I also recapped the entire PS to e sure. Guess I will move forward and replace the remaining transistors on the display board.. Nakdoc suggested sending it in if I reach a dead end..I am almost there.. I probably should send it to a tech that is familiar with this unit need to have it calibrated anyway.... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dfjm05 at gmail.com Wed Jan 26 14:50:59 2011 From: dfjm05 at gmail.com (Dave Marshall) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 08:50:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Service for 680 Message-ID: Having been a Naktalk member (lurker status) for a couple of years and after reading all the advice I've come to the conclusion that with my 680 it's better to be safe than sorry. I picked it up over a year ago from a local audio store North of Philadelphia and it looks and (to my ears) sounds fine. It has no obvious problems but because of its age and after reading the info here I've decided to get it overhauled now than need repairs later. Can anyone recommend someone on the East Coast to do this? I have gone back through the archives but can't seem to spot one. thanks, Dave From kroger1032 at rogers.com Wed Jan 26 15:07:44 2011 From: kroger1032 at rogers.com (KEVIN ROGERS) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 06:07:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RE: Naktalk Digest, Vol 95, Issue 18 In-Reply-To: <02c501cbbca0$a179bb90$e46d32b0$@com> Message-ID: <36245.6370.qm@web88203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi Ben:   When you find the mold, I could use two levers.   Regards,   Kevin Rogers --- On Tue, 1/25/11, GB TOWBARS wrote: From: GB TOWBARS Subject: [naktalk] RE: Naktalk Digest, Vol 95, Issue 18 To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, January 25, 2011, 3:00 PM Re 680zx maint, I have fired it up and checked everything just to see how it is after a few years and apart from a good clean it runs as good and clean as it did last time I listened. I have had this bad boy over 20 years, I think I bought it as a demo 12 months old. It just works. Nigel Vernon with the broken door lever, I had a mould made for these many years ago and can make one out of two pack urethane but I have to find the mould first as I have moved house twice since I last saw it. With the cost of the two pack to make a few they cost about $20 each polished and ready for service. I have had my new one in there for over 10 years and it is clearly stronger than the original. I will reply in this forum when I find the mould. Ben A vanderVeldt -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of naktalk-request at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, 25 January 2011 11:33 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 95, Issue 18 Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to     naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit     http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to     naktalk-request at naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at     naktalk-owner at naks.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." Naktalk digest mailing list Today's Topics:    1. RE: 680zx maintenance (perry.nak at comcast.net)    2. RE:  682ZX eject lever (nigel vernon)    3. Re: 682ZX eject lever (Willy Hermann)    4. Re: 680ZX maintenance (Bala Ganesh Chandra)    5. Re:  682ZX eject lever (Bala Ganesh Chandra)    6. Nakamichi T-100 Meter Issues ARGH!! (MIke Kehr)    7. Re:  682ZX eject lever (jayson levitz)    8. Re: Nakamichi 480 reel motor brushes (Ron)    9. Re: Nakamichi T-100 Meter Issues ARGH!! (Ron) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 15:25:50 +0000 (UTC) From: perry.nak at comcast.net Subject: [naktalk] RE: 680zx maintenance To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID:     <1704783970.2070616.1295882750874.JavaMail.root at sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail. comcast.net>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" What a fantastic deal. Basically you got a free perfect condition 680ZX when you bought some fantastic tapes for a good price! Depending on where you are located, I'd have your deck serviced to really enjoy it. Besides all the old rubber, there are often orange cap issues on 680s. I've done 3 680zx and a 660zx, and all needed orange caps replaced, but the end results were always worth it. The one in the display PCB is a PITA to do, but make sure it's caught. I also replace the few regular electrolytics in there so I never have to go back into the display. What otften happens, is a deck that has sat for a long time appears to work fine at first, but the components, when finally stressed after drying out and disused for so long, start to fail. I usually do the PS caps for that reason. Also, if you have it done, be sure to have them do the resistor mod for the "no sound when stop light burns out", and upgrade the cmos switches to HC versions for better sound and lower distortio! n. The Marrs capstan belt works excellent on it, but I don't think his kit includes the more difficult to find dual counter belts, which really have to be THIN. Like 1mm or less cross section. The originals are .8mm, but I've never been able to find them. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20110124/ad00a645/at tachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 18:28:59 +0000 From: nigel vernon Subject: RE: [naktalk]  682ZX eject lever To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi, hope someone can help me out. I am looking for an eject lever for a 682zx. Mine has finally given up after a few super glue repairs. Tried B & W in UK but they no longer have a lever in stock.Any ideas where I might get one from? Many thanks. Nigel                           -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Nigel > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20110124/c80fce2f/at tachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 17:19:35 -0800 (PST) From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680ZX maintenance To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <616898.12490.qm at web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Can't argue or put that one away. The decks could go on a bit without a TLC but life these days is not so forgiving is it? Regards, Bala ________________________________ From: jesse ruff To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Mon, January 24, 2011 9:39:24 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680ZX maintenance Yea, I figure I could sell the tapes and recoup most of the cost of the deck, so it's hard to beat that (should I decide to sell the tapes at some point...).  I'd love to give it the old inside-out overhaul, but I think my career needs one first... Jesse --- On Sun, 1/23/11, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680ZX maintenance >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Date: Sunday, January 23, 2011, 7:51 PM > > >Hi Jesse, > >At  $300, you got yourself a beautiful Christmas present! If you picked it up >from the original owner and it has never been serviced, then it definitely needs >one! A thorough overhaul would be good to replace worn and aged parts, as well >as calibration and all to get the deck back to prime condition internally. > > >Cheers, >Bala > > > > ________________________________ From: jesse ruff >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Sun, January 23, 2011 11:32:25 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680ZX maintenance > > >Speaking of pristine 680ZX's...I just picked one up this past Christmas while >visiting family in Florida.  Found one from original owner.  It came with >origingal box, outer shipping box, manual, service manual, and 10 TDK MA-R90 >tapes (2 sealed).  Plus a nakamichi zx c-15 mealloy tape--I'm guessing it is for >sampling recording capabilities?  Anyways, I thought $300 was a pretty fair >price   Deck "seems" to work great, but the guy said it's never been serviced, >and I'm not sure how much use it's gotten lately.  So I'm in a similar >predicament.  > >Jesse > >--- On Sat, 1/22/11, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > >>From:  Bala  Ganesh Chandra >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680ZX maintenance >>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>Date: Saturday, January 22, 2011, 10:11 PM >> >> >>Hi Ben, >> >>It really depends where and how long the deck has been sitting. If it is in a >>nice air-conditioned storage, then a tape path and electronics alignment may be >>all you would need. But if is not in ideal conditions, your best bet would be to >>perform a complete cleanup of the transport and electronics, change of belts, >>clean-up of the electronics and perhaps change of some capacitors. This has to >>be followed up by a thorough alignment. Sounds like lots of work? Maybe, but a >>pristine 680ZX is a beautiful deck and looks as good as it  sounds. Good Luck! >> >>Bala >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ From: GB TOWBARS >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Sent: Sun, January 23, 2011 6:36:25 AM >>Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX maintenance >> >> >>I have a pristine 680ZX and have not used it for a while, what basic maintenance >>should I do before I fire it up again and listen to itb ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 26 16:55:33 2011 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 07:55:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 lost record In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <533779.10723.qm@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I finally got around to replacing those caps.  That did not fix the problem however we have success!  I found a bad solder connection on a resistor near these caps. I got lucky!  The LX-5 is working great again! Thanks Willy for the help.  You led me to the subject area. Bob N --- On Thu, 12/23/10, Willy Hermann wrote: From: Willy Hermann Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-5 lost record To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, December 23, 2010, 7:45 AM First suspects are the two 4700pf orange drop caps near the bias coil.  Change them anyway even if they're OK.Willy On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 10:06 AM, Bob Naylor wrote: My LX-5 lost it's recording.  What is the best way to determine if the problem is in the bias circuit or the audio circuit?  During recording, in the "source" position, I hear audio, in the "monitor" position I only hear light static and an occasional crackle. This problem happened instantly.  The deck was recording and stopped with the above symptoms.  Playback is still fine.  Any opinions? 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URL: From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 26 17:27:01 2011 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 08:27:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX eject lever In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <865624.85805.qm@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have drilled very small holes in plastic and used a "pin" of some kind to glue plastic together.  Depending on the location of your break, you may or may not be able to do this. If you check a good hardware store you should find some better adhesive than superglue. Bob N --- On Mon, 1/24/11, Willy Hermann wrote: From: Willy Hermann Subject: Re: [naktalk] 682ZX eject lever To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, January 24, 2011, 1:07 PM If ESL doesn't have one (eslabs.com) your only alternative is to buy another 680 series deck and canabalize it.  All the 680 series decks used the same eject lever. Best of luck. Willy On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 10:28 AM, nigel vernon wrote: Hi, hope someone can help me out. I am looking for an eject lever for a 682zx. Mine has finally given up after a few super glue repairs. Tried B & W in UK but they no longer have a lever in stock.Any ideas where I might get one from? Many thanks. 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URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 27 00:57:59 2011 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 15:57:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RE: Naktalk Digest, Vol 95, Issue 18 In-Reply-To: <36245.6370.qm@web88203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <36245.6370.qm@web88203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <388712.36378.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> A mold for the eject lever.  That's so cool. I have a couple molds that I made myself.  One is for the 9 pin DIN connector used on the Revox decks like the B77 & PR99 that is no longer available from Revox Switzerland.  The 2nd is for the 10 pin DIN connector used on the Revox A77 and a 12 pin connector used on the Tascams like the 112 and 122's.  I use two part black epoxy that I got from a AeroMarine in San Diego.  http://www.jgreer.com/  The stuff is hard as a rock, but, I get micro air bubbles.  I thought about getting a vaccum chamber to remove the bubbles, but, I just heat shrink over the stuff now.  Not good for the levers though. ________________________________ From: KEVIN ROGERS To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wed, January 26, 2011 6:07:44 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Naktalk Digest, Vol 95, Issue 18 Hi Ben: When you find the mold, I could use two levers. Regards, Kevin Rogers --- On Tue, 1/25/11, GB TOWBARS wrote: >From: GB TOWBARS >Subject: [naktalk] RE: Naktalk Digest, Vol 95, Issue 18 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Date: Tuesday, January 25, 2011, 3:00 PM > > >Re 680zx maint, >I have fired it up and checked everything just to see how it is after a few >years and apart from a good clean it runs as good and clean as it did last >time I listened. I have had this bad boy over 20 years, I think I bought it >as a demo 12 months old. It just works. >Nigel Vernon with the broken door lever, I had a mould made for these many >years ago and can make one out of two pack urethane but I have to find the >mould first as I have moved house twice since I last saw it. With the cost >of the two pack to make a few they cost about $20 each polished and ready >for service. I have had my new one in there for over 10 years and it is >clearly stronger than the original. >I will reply in this forum when I find the mould. > >Ben A vanderVeldt > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >Of naktalk-request at naks.com >Sent: Tuesday, 25 January 2011 11:33 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 95, Issue 18 > >Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to >    naktalk at naks.com > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >    http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >    naktalk-request at naks.com > >You can reach the person managing the list at >    naktalk-owner at naks.com > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." > > >Naktalk digest mailing list > > >Today's Topics: > >   1. RE: 680zx maintenance (perry.nak at comcast.net) >   2. RE:  682ZX eject lever (nigel vernon) >   3. Re: 682ZX eject lever (Willy Hermann) >   4. Re: 680ZX maintenance (Bala Ganesh Chandra) >   5. Re:  682ZX eject lever (Bala Ganesh Chandra) >   6. Nakamichi T-100 Meter Issues ARGH!! (MIke Kehr) >   7. Re:  682ZX eject lever (jayson levitz) >   8. Re: Nakamichi 480 reel motor brushes (Ron) >   9. Re: Nakamichi T-100 Meter Issues ARGH!! (Ron) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 15:25:50 +0000 (UTC) >From: perry.nak at comcast.net >Subject: [naktalk] RE: 680zx maintenance >To: naktalk at naks.com >Message-ID: >    ><1704783970.2070616.1295882750874.JavaMail.root at sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail. >comcast.net> >    >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >What a fantastic deal. Basically you got a free perfect condition 680ZX when >you bought some fantastic tapes for a good price! Depending on where you are >located, I'd have your deck serviced to really enjoy it. Besides all the old >rubber, there are often orange cap issues on 680s. I've done 3 680zx and a >660zx, and all needed orange caps replaced, but the end results were always >worth it. The one in the display PCB is a PITA to do, but make sure it's >caught. I also replace the few regular electrolytics in there so I never >have to go back into the display. What otften happens, is a deck that has >sat for a long time appears to work fine at first, but the components, when >finally stressed after drying out and disused for so long, start to fail. I >usually do the PS caps for that reason. Also, if you have it done, be sure >to have them do the resistor mod for the "no sound when stop light burns >out", and upgrade the cmos switches to HC versions for better sound and >lower distortio! >n. The Marrs capstan belt works excellent on it, but I don't think his kit >includes the more difficult to find dual counter belts, which really have to >be THIN. Like 1mm or less cross section. The originals are .8mm, but I've >never been able to find them. >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20110124/ad00a645/at >tachment-0001.html > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 18:28:59 +0000 >From: nigel vernon >Subject: RE: [naktalk]  682ZX eject lever >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > >Hi, hope someone can help me out. I am looking for an eject lever for a >682zx. Mine >has finally given up after a few super glue repairs. Tried B & W in UK but >they no longer have >a lever in stock.Any ideas where I might get one from? Many thanks. Nigel >                          >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20110124/16a81d37/at >tachment-0001.html > >------------------------------ > >Message: 3 >Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 13:07:42 -0800 >From: Willy Hermann >Subject: Re: [naktalk] 682ZX eject lever >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Message-ID: >    >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >If ESL doesn't have one (eslabs.com) your only alternative is to buy another >680 series deck and canabalize it.  All the 680 series decks used the same >eject lever. > >Best of luck. >Willy > >On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 10:28 AM, nigel vernon >wrote: > >> >> Hi, hope someone can help me out. I am looking for an eject lever for a >> 682zx. Mine >> has finally given up after a few super glue repairs. Tried B & W in UK but >> they no longer have >> a lever in stock.Any ideas where I might get one from? Many thanks. Nigel >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20110124/c80fce2f/at >tachment-0001.html > >------------------------------ > >Message: 4 >Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 17:19:35 -0800 (PST) >From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680ZX maintenance >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Message-ID: <616898.12490.qm at web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >Can't argue or put that one away. The decks could go on a bit without a TLC >but >life these days is not so forgiving is it? > >Regards, >Bala > > > > >________________________________ >From: jesse ruff >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Mon, January 24, 2011 9:39:24 AM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680ZX maintenance > > >Yea, >I figure I could sell the tapes and recoup most of the cost of the deck, so >it's >hard to beat that (should I decide to sell the tapes at some point...).  I'd > >love to give it the old inside-out overhaul, but I think my career needs one > >first... >Jesse > >--- On Sun, 1/23/11, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > >>From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680ZX maintenance >>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>Date: Sunday, January 23, 2011, 7:51 PM >> >> >>Hi Jesse, >> >>At  $300, you got yourself a beautiful Christmas present! If you picked it >up >>from the original owner and it has never been serviced, then it definitely >needs >>one! A thorough overhaul would be good to replace worn and aged parts, as >well >>as calibration and all to get the deck back to prime condition internally. >> >> >>Cheers, >>Bala >> >> >> >> >________________________________ >From: jesse ruff >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Sent: Sun, January 23, 2011 11:32:25 PM >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680ZX maintenance >> >> >>Speaking of pristine 680ZX's...I just picked one up this past Christmas >while >>visiting family in Florida.  Found one from original owner.  It came with >>origingal box, outer shipping box, manual, service manual, and 10 TDK >MA-R90 >>tapes (2 sealed).  Plus a nakamichi zx c-15 mealloy tape--I'm guessing it >is for >>sampling recording capabilities?  Anyways, I thought $300 was a pretty fair > >>price   Deck "seems" to work great, but the guy said it's never been >serviced, >>and I'm not sure how much use it's gotten lately.  So I'm in a similar >>predicament.  >> >>Jesse >> >>--- On Sat, 1/22/11, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >> >> >>>From:  Bala  Ganesh Chandra >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680ZX maintenance >>>To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>>Date: Saturday, January 22, 2011, 10:11 PM >>> >>> >>>Hi Ben, >>> >>>It really depends where and how long the deck has been sitting. If it is >in a >>>nice air-conditioned storage, then a tape path and electronics alignment >may be >>>all you would need. But if is not in ideal conditions, your best bet would >be to >>>perform a complete cleanup of the transport and electronics, change of >belts, >>>clean-up of the electronics and perhaps change of some capacitors. This >has to >>>be followed up by a thorough alignment. Sounds like lots of work? Maybe, >but a >>>pristine 680ZX is a beautiful deck and looks as good as it  sounds. 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URL: From r1seals at yahoo.com Thu Jan 27 01:58:28 2011 From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 16:58:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 lost record In-Reply-To: <533779.10723.qm@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <520895.81575.qm@web113306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Bob I to have LX5 just wondering how you like yours? myself I really like what Tom did with mine. I also have a BX-300s and BX-125s and a 480, I really like the way the classic transports grabs the tape and plays it but don't get my wrong  I like my bx 300s and the one Tom calibrated sounds great but I need a pinch roller on the supply side and Willy did a good job on my other bx 300.  glad you were able to get your LX-5 fixed  we really have a great bunch of people on Naktalk. --- On Wed, 1/26/11, Bob Naylor wrote: From: Bob Naylor Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-5 lost record To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, January 26, 2011, 9:55 AM I finally got around to replacing those caps.  That did not fix the problem however we have success!  I found a bad solder connection on a resistor near these caps. I got lucky!  The LX-5 is working great again! Thanks Willy for the help.  You led me to the subject area. Bob N --- On Thu, 12/23/10, Willy Hermann wrote: From: Willy Hermann Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-5 lost record To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, December 23, 2010, 7:45 AM First suspects are the two 4700pf orange drop caps near the bias coil.  Change them anyway even if they're OK.Willy On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 10:06 AM, Bob Naylor wrote: My LX-5 lost it's recording.  What is the best way to determine if the problem is in the bias circuit or the audio circuit?  During recording, in the "source" position, I hear audio, in the "monitor" position I only hear light static and an occasional crackle. This problem happened instantly.  The deck was recording and stopped with the above symptoms.  Playback is still fine.  Any opinions? 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URL: From fergus.cullen at gmail.com Thu Jan 27 09:44:21 2011 From: fergus.cullen at gmail.com (Fergus Cullen) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 08:44:21 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Any interest in these tapes? In-Reply-To: <4D40A4E3.5040302@snet.net> References: <4D40A4E3.5040302@snet.net> Message-ID: I'm interested. Can pay with paypal if that's ok. On 27 Jan 2011 08:31, "Stephen Windsor" wrote: hi all, my work has tossed these tapes, so before i toss them, is there any interest? They are sealed, have a few of each, 60, 90, i think 120. They may be Type 1, which is not the best. Maxell Professional Industrial P/1 Communicator Series Since they didn't cost me anything, it would just be shipping costs. Thanks, Steve ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Jan 27 10:36:04 2011 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 10:36:04 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: 680 series mold In-Reply-To: <388712.36378.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <36245.6370.qm@web88203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <388712.36378.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6658707d99262beaa39867c710fb0e6a.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Interesting that you have mold for this! Very nice! It would be great to have those for more cosmetic parts like RX-202's transparent window, 680 series horizontal switches.. Wouter > A mold for the eject lever.  That's so cool. > > I have a couple molds that I made myself.  One is for the 9 pin DIN > connector > used on the Revox decks like the B77 & PR99 that is no longer available > from > Revox Switzerland.  The 2nd is for the 10 pin DIN connector used on the > Revox > A77 and a 12 pin connector used on the Tascams like the 112 and 122's.  I > use > two part black epoxy that I got from a AeroMarine in San Diego.  > http://www.jgreer.com/  The stuff is hard as a rock, but, I get micro air > bubbles.  I thought about getting a vaccum chamber to remove the bubbles, > but, I > just heat shrink over the stuff now.  Not good for the levers though. > > > ________________________________ > From: KEVIN ROGERS > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Wed, January 26, 2011 6:07:44 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Naktalk Digest, Vol 95, Issue 18 > > > Hi Ben: > > When you find the mold, I could use two levers. > > Regards, > > Kevin Rogers > > --- On Tue, 1/25/11, GB TOWBARS wrote: > > >>From: GB TOWBARS >>Subject: [naktalk] RE: Naktalk Digest, Vol 95, Issue 18 >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Date: Tuesday, January 25, 2011, 3:00 PM >> >> >>Re 680zx maint, >>I have fired it up and checked everything just to see how it is after a >> few >>years and apart from a good clean it runs as good and clean as it did >> last >>time I listened. I have had this bad boy over 20 years, I think I bought >> it >>as a demo 12 months old. It just works. >>Nigel Vernon with the broken door lever, I had a mould made for these >> many >>years ago and can make one out of two pack urethane but I have to find >> the >>mould first as I have moved house twice since I last saw it. With the >> cost >>of the two pack to make a few they cost about $20 each polished and ready >>for service. I have had my new one in there for over 10 years and it is >>clearly stronger than the original. >>I will reply in this forum when I find the mould. >> >>Ben A vanderVeldt >> From chartz at club-internet.fr Thu Jan 27 10:28:32 2011 From: chartz at club-internet.fr (Jacques Frantz) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 10:28:32 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Any interest in these tapes? In-Reply-To: <4D40A4E3.5040302@snet.net> References: <4D40A4E3.5040302@snet.net> Message-ID: <92B78035-6667-4008-8E08-0871B3B6390F@club-internet.fr> Hi, I'd be interested! Jacques Le 26 janv. 2011 à 23:49, Stephen Windsor a écrit : > hi all, > > my work has tossed these tapes, so before i toss them, is there any interest? > They are sealed, have a few of each, 60, 90, i think 120. > They may be Type 1, which is not the best. > > Maxell Professional Industrial P/1 > Communicator Series > > Since they didn't cost me anything, it would just be shipping costs. > > Thanks, > Steve > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bob N PS  I need the door that covers the controls on an LX-5 if anyone has one.  My "fair" deck needs one. --- On Wed, 1/26/11, Russ Seals wrote: From: Russ Seals Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-5 lost record To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, January 26, 2011, 4:58 PM Hi Bob I to have LX5 just wondering how you like yours? myself I really like what Tom did with mine. I also have a BX-300s and BX-125s and a 480, I really like the way the classic transports grabs the tape and plays it but don't get my wrong  I like my bx 300s and the one Tom calibrated sounds great but I need a pinch roller on the supply side and Willy did a good job on my other bx 300.  glad you were able to get your LX-5 fixed  we really have a great bunch of people on Naktalk. --- On Wed, 1/26/11, Bob Naylor wrote: From: Bob Naylor Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-5 lost record To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, January 26, 2011, 9:55 AM I finally got around to replacing those caps.  That did not fix the problem however we have success!  I found a bad solder connection on a resistor near these caps. I got lucky!  The LX-5 is working great again! Thanks Willy for the help.  You led me to the subject area. Bob N --- On Thu, 12/23/10, Willy Hermann wrote: From: Willy Hermann Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-5 lost record To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, December 23, 2010, 7:45 AM First suspects are the two 4700pf orange drop caps near the bias coil.  Change them anyway even if they're OK.Willy On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 10:06 AM, Bob Naylor wrote: My LX-5 lost it's recording.  What is the best way to determine if the problem is in the bias circuit or the audio circuit?  During recording, in the "source" position, I hear audio, in the "monitor" position I only hear light static and an occasional crackle. This problem happened instantly.  The deck was recording and stopped with the above symptoms.  Playback is still fine.  Any opinions? 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URL: From r1seals at yahoo.com Thu Jan 27 21:13:17 2011 From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 12:13:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 lost record In-Reply-To: <739805.10987.qm@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1447.47448.qm@web113309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Yea Bob that's what I hear between my BX300 and the LX 5 guess maybe that's what they call the classic sound of nak.  I don't know if Tom replaced those caps or not on mine what number on the board are they? can you tell me what number on the boards they are Bob?  --- On Thu, 1/27/11, Bob Naylor wrote: From: Bob Naylor Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-5 lost record To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, January 27, 2011, 10:28 AM Russ, I have two LX-5's.  One is in great condx and the other is fair.  The good one sounds extremely good, both recording and playback and the fair one is still pretty good.  It's hard to explain sound differences but the LX-5's seem to have a warmer sound compared to my CR-5 for example.  I don't mean the LX-5 has fewer high freqs, it's just different. You may think of changing those caps that Willy suggested.  They are easy to replace.  You don't even have to remove the circuit board to do the job.  Just both covers off.  I found the caps at Fry's.  I did not have to re-calibrate anything.  It records just as nice as it always had. Bob N PS  I need the door that covers the controls on an LX-5 if anyone has one.  My "fair" deck needs one. --- On Wed, 1/26/11, Russ Seals wrote: From: Russ Seals Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-5 lost record To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, January 26, 2011, 4:58 PM Hi Bob I to have LX5 just wondering how you like yours? myself I really like what Tom did with mine. I also have a BX-300s and BX-125s and a 480, I really like the way the classic transports grabs the tape and plays it but don't get my wrong  I like my bx 300s and the one Tom calibrated sounds great but I need a pinch roller on the supply side and Willy did a good job on my other bx 300.  glad you were able to get your LX-5 fixed  we really have a great bunch of people on Naktalk. --- On Wed, 1/26/11, Bob Naylor wrote: From: Bob Naylor Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-5 lost record To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, January 26, 2011, 9:55 AM I finally got around to replacing those caps.  That did not fix the problem however we have success!  I found a bad solder connection on a resistor near these caps. I got lucky!  The LX-5 is working great again! Thanks Willy for the help.  You led me to the subject area. Bob N --- On Thu, 12/23/10, Willy Hermann wrote: From: Willy Hermann Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-5 lost record To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, December 23, 2010, 7:45 AM First suspects are the two 4700pf orange drop caps near the bias coil.  Change them anyway even if they're OK.Willy On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 10:06 AM, Bob Naylor wrote: My LX-5 lost it's recording.  What is the best way to determine if the problem is in the bias circuit or the audio circuit?  During recording, in the "source" position, I hear audio, in the "monitor" position I only hear light static and an occasional crackle. This problem happened instantly.  The deck was recording and stopped with the above symptoms.  Playback is still fine.  Any opinions? Thanks, Bob N ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 27 23:39:23 2011 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 14:39:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 lost record In-Reply-To: <1447.47448.qm@web113309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <692979.18972.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I believe "C-502 and C-503"  4700pf, or .0047uf.  They are orange caps on the "power and logic" board.  If you have the deck upside down with the front facing you, they are all the way to your right.  They are well marked.  Let me know how you do. Bob N --- On Thu, 1/27/11, Russ Seals wrote: From: Russ Seals Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-5 lost record To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, January 27, 2011, 12:13 PM Yea Bob that's what I hear between my BX300 and the LX 5 guess maybe that's what they call the classic sound of nak.  I don't know if Tom replaced those caps or not on mine what number on the board are they? can you tell me what number on the boards they are Bob?  --- On Thu, 1/27/11, Bob Naylor wrote: From: Bob Naylor Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-5 lost record To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, January 27, 2011, 10:28 AM Russ, I have two LX-5's.  One is in great condx and the other is fair.  The good one sounds extremely good, both recording and playback and the fair one is still pretty good.  It's hard to explain sound differences but the LX-5's seem to have a warmer sound compared to my CR-5 for example.  I don't mean the LX-5 has fewer high freqs, it's just different. You may think of changing those caps that Willy suggested.  They are easy to replace.  You don't even have to remove the circuit board to do the job.  Just both covers off.  I found the caps at Fry's.  I did not have to re-calibrate anything.  It records just as nice as it always had. Bob N PS  I need the door that covers the controls on an LX-5 if anyone has one.  My "fair" deck needs one. --- On Wed, 1/26/11, Russ Seals wrote: From: Russ Seals Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-5 lost record To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, January 26, 2011, 4:58 PM Hi Bob I to have LX5 just wondering how you like yours? myself I really like what Tom did with mine. I also have a BX-300s and BX-125s and a 480, I really like the way the classic transports grabs the tape and plays it but don't get my wrong  I like my bx 300s and the one Tom calibrated sounds great but I need a pinch roller on the supply side and Willy did a good job on my other bx 300.  glad you were able to get your LX-5 fixed  we really have a great bunch of people on Naktalk. --- On Wed, 1/26/11, Bob Naylor wrote: From: Bob Naylor Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-5 lost record To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, January 26, 2011, 9:55 AM I finally got around to replacing those caps.  That did not fix the problem however we have success!  I found a bad solder connection on a resistor near these caps. I got lucky!  The LX-5 is working great again! Thanks Willy for the help.  You led me to the subject area. Bob N --- On Thu, 12/23/10, Willy Hermann wrote: From: Willy Hermann Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-5 lost record To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, December 23, 2010, 7:45 AM First suspects are the two 4700pf orange drop caps near the bias coil.  Change them anyway even if they're OK.Willy On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 10:06 AM, Bob Naylor wrote: My LX-5 lost it's recording.  What is the best way to determine if the problem is in the bias circuit or the audio circuit?  During recording, in the "source" position, I hear audio, in the "monitor" position I only hear light static and an occasional crackle. This problem happened instantly.  The deck was recording and stopped with the above symptoms.  Playback is still fine.  Any opinions? Thanks, Bob N ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brainsmartman at yahoo.com Fri Jan 28 06:35:05 2011 From: brainsmartman at yahoo.com (c n) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 21:35:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Any interest in these tapes? In-Reply-To: <4D40A4E3.5040302@snet.net> Message-ID: <324592.12150.qm@web113816.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Yes, i am interest for this tape, but i have location far-far away...in Romania...is posibile send here? Thank you. --- On Thu, 1/27/11, Stephen Windsor wrote: From: Stephen Windsor Subject: [naktalk] Any interest in these tapes? To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, January 27, 2011, 12:49 AM hi all, my work has tossed these tapes, so before i toss them, is there any interest? They are sealed, have a few of each, 60, 90, i think 120. They may be Type 1, which is not the best. Maxell Professional Industrial P/1 Communicator Series Since they didn't cost me anything, it would just be shipping costs. 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URL: From r1seals at yahoo.com Fri Jan 28 15:15:15 2011 From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 06:15:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 lost record In-Reply-To: <692979.18972.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <225282.9243.qm@web113301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thanks Bob for the info on the caps  right now I don't have any problem with any thing on this deck as of yet but I'll store this information away in case I do have problems later on.  ya know I had that problem with my 480 and had to replace a couple of cap's and yea they  were orange caps but now it works great. --- On Thu, 1/27/11, Bob Naylor wrote: From: Bob Naylor Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-5 lost record To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, January 27, 2011, 4:39 PM I believe "C-502 and C-503"  4700pf, or .0047uf.  They are orange caps on the "power and logic" board.  If you have the deck upside down with the front facing you, they are all the way to your right.  They are well marked.  Let me know how you do. Bob N --- On Thu, 1/27/11, Russ Seals wrote: From: Russ Seals Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-5 lost record To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, January 27, 2011, 12:13 PM Yea Bob that's what I hear between my BX300 and the LX 5 guess maybe that's what they call the classic sound of nak.  I don't know if Tom replaced those caps or not on mine what number on the board are they? can you tell me what number on the boards they are Bob?  --- On Thu, 1/27/11, Bob Naylor wrote: From: Bob Naylor Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-5 lost record To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, January 27, 2011, 10:28 AM Russ, I have two LX-5's.  One is in great condx and the other is fair.  The good one sounds extremely good, both recording and playback and the fair one is still pretty good.  It's hard to explain sound differences but the LX-5's seem to have a warmer sound compared to my CR-5 for example.  I don't mean the LX-5 has fewer high freqs, it's just different. You may think of changing those caps that Willy suggested.  They are easy to replace.  You don't even have to remove the circuit board to do the job.  Just both covers off.  I found the caps at Fry's.  I did not have to re-calibrate anything.  It records just as nice as it always had. Bob N PS  I need the door that covers the controls on an LX-5 if anyone has one.  My "fair" deck needs one. --- On Wed, 1/26/11, Russ Seals wrote: From: Russ Seals Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-5 lost record To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, January 26, 2011, 4:58 PM Hi Bob I to have LX5 just wondering how you like yours? myself I really like what Tom did with mine. I also have a BX-300s and BX-125s and a 480, I really like the way the classic transports grabs the tape and plays it but don't get my wrong  I like my bx 300s and the one Tom calibrated sounds great but I need a pinch roller on the supply side and Willy did a good job on my other bx 300.  glad you were able to get your LX-5 fixed  we really have a great bunch of people on Naktalk. --- On Wed, 1/26/11, Bob Naylor wrote: From: Bob Naylor Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-5 lost record To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, January 26, 2011, 9:55 AM I finally got around to replacing those caps.  That did not fix the problem however we have success!  I found a bad solder connection on a resistor near these caps. I got lucky!  The LX-5 is working great again! Thanks Willy for the help.  You led me to the subject area. Bob N --- On Thu, 12/23/10, Willy Hermann wrote: From: Willy Hermann Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-5 lost record To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, December 23, 2010, 7:45 AM First suspects are the two 4700pf orange drop caps near the bias coil.  Change them anyway even if they're OK.Willy On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 10:06 AM, Bob Naylor wrote: My LX-5 lost it's recording.  What is the best way to determine if the problem is in the bias circuit or the audio circuit?  During recording, in the "source" position, I hear audio, in the "monitor" position I only hear light static and an occasional crackle. This problem happened instantly.  The deck was recording and stopped with the above symptoms.  Playback is still fine.  Any opinions? 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URL: From bagua_dao at yahoo.com Sat Jan 29 13:15:16 2011 From: bagua_dao at yahoo.com (ying yang) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 04:15:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680ZX transformer blown. What to do? Message-ID: <768186.46661.qm@web110303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>   I have a Nakamichi 680ZX cassette deck that runs on 110Volt.   My country provides power at 220Volt.   As I have not played it for several months, I forgot to use the Step-Down transformer so I when I swithed on the power the light came on and off immediately.   There is no smell coming from the deck.   I am told that the Transformer is burnt and that I will have to get it replaced and also since that I am replacing the transformer then a 220Volt replacement will obviate the need for a Step-Down power adaptor.     Is a 220Volt transformer compatible with the deck originally built for a 110Volt transformer?   Can anyone advice what special procedures must be observed in view that a different power transformer of 220Volt is to be used in place of the original 110Volt.   Will there be any loss of dynamics (if I am using the correct term) ; will the sound be degraded because the set was originally not meant for a 20volt ?   Any advice of what not to be disturbed to upset any alignment?   Your kind advice will be much appreciated.   Thank you.   Baguadao -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Sat Jan 29 15:23:33 2011 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 15:23:33 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680ZX transformer blown. What to do? In-Reply-To: <768186.46661.qm@web110303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <768186.46661.qm@web110303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8565270A-C0F1-4603-AFB6-ED08FBA413C8@peromarta.org> Your transformer may still be good. Check fuses. If burnt, my replacement transformer can suit your needs. See http://naks.es Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos El 29/01/2011, a las 13:15, ying yang escribió: > > I have a Nakamichi 680ZX cassette deck that runs on 110Volt. > > My country provides power at 220Volt. > > As I have not played it for several months, I forgot to use the Step-Down transformer so I when I swithed on the power the light came on and off immediately. > > There is no smell coming from the deck. > > I am told that the Transformer is burnt and that I will have to get it replaced and also since that I am replacing the transformer then a 220Volt replacement will obviate the need for a Step-Down power adaptor. > > > Is a 220Volt transformer compatible with the deck originally built for a 110Volt transformer? > > Can anyone advice what special procedures must be observed in view that a different power transformer of 220Volt is to be used in place of the original 110Volt. > > Will there be any loss of dynamics (if I am using the correct term) ; will the sound be degraded because the set was originally not meant for a 20volt ? > > Any advice of what not to be disturbed to upset any alignment? > > Your kind advice will be much appreciated. > > Thank you. > > Baguadao > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Sat Jan 29 16:24:18 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 07:24:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680ZX transformer blown. What to do? In-Reply-To: <768186.46661.qm@web110303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <768186.46661.qm@web110303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <167278.61739.qm@web130104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > I am told that the Transformer is burnt and that I will have to get it >replaced > Depending on who told you this, it is possible your transformer is good, but the power switch was damaged, or a fuse was blown. Be aware that transformers take some time to burn out. When they do, they usually smell. Have the transformer checked again, by someone you trust. > ... and also since that I am replacing the transformer then a 220Volt >replacement will obviate the need for a Step-Down power adaptor. That's true, assuming the replacement part is correct for the 680ZX. > Is a 220Volt transformer compatible with the deck originally built for a >110Volt transformer? If a correct transformer is installed, the deck won't care as long as the transformer matches the line voltage. There will be no performance degradation whatsoever. There will be no effect of alignement. > Can anyone advice what special procedures must be observed in view that a >different power transformer of 220Volt is to be used in place of the original >110Volt. > If the transformer is, indeed, burned out, then all that needs to be done is replace it with a good one. This is a job for a tech or, at least, a knowledgeable hobbyist. -- Ron ________________________________ From: ying yang To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sat, January 29, 2011 7:15:16 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680ZX transformer blown. What to do? I have a Nakamichi 680ZX cassette deck that runs on 110Volt. My country provides power at 220Volt. As I have not played it for several months, I forgot to use the Step-Down transformer so I when I swithed on the power the light came on and off immediately. There is no smell coming from the deck. I am told that the Transformer is burnt and that I will have to get it replaced and also since that I am replacing the transformer then a 220Volt replacement will obviate the need for a Step-Down power adaptor. Is a 220Volt transformer compatible with the deck originally built for a 110Volt transformer? Can anyone advice what special procedures must be observed in view that a different power transformer of 220Volt is to be used in place of the original 110Volt. Will there be any loss of dynamics (if I am using the correct term) ; will the sound be degraded because the set was originally not meant for a 20volt ? Any advice of what not to be disturbed to upset any alignment? Your kind advice will be much appreciated. Thank you. 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Can pay with paypal if that's ok. > >> On 27 Jan 2011 08:31, "Stephen Windsor" > > wrote: >> >> hi all, >> >> my work has tossed these tapes, so before i toss them, is there any >> interest? >> They are sealed, have a few of each, 60, 90, i think 120. >> They may be Type 1, which is not the best. >> >> Maxell Professional Industrial P/1 >> Communicator Series >> >> Since they didn't cost me anything, it would just be shipping costs. >> >> Thanks, >> Steve >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joyell.solie at sasktel.net Sat Jan 29 15:26:52 2011 From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 08:26:52 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680ZX transformer blown. What to do? References: <768186.46661.qm@web110303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001201cbbfc0$93051140$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> I find it hard to believe that the transformer could have burnt out with-out smell or smoke let alone that quickly, sounds more like a blown fuse. That being said, no performance should be lost by switching transformers if the new one is chosen carefully and installed properly, as the voltage that the deck operates on is related to the output voltage of the transformer,not the input voltage. Hope this helps Rainer S. ----- Original Message ----- From: ying yang To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 6:15 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680ZX transformer blown. What to do? I have a Nakamichi 680ZX cassette deck that runs on 110Volt. My country provides power at 220Volt. As I have not played it for several months, I forgot to use the Step-Down transformer so I when I swithed on the power the light came on and off immediately. There is no smell coming from the deck. I am told that the Transformer is burnt and that I will have to get it replaced and also since that I am replacing the transformer then a 220Volt replacement will obviate the need for a Step-Down power adaptor. Is a 220Volt transformer compatible with the deck originally built for a 110Volt transformer? Can anyone advice what special procedures must be observed in view that a different power transformer of 220Volt is to be used in place of the original 110Volt. Will there be any loss of dynamics (if I am using the correct term) ; will the sound be degraded because the set was originally not meant for a 20volt ? Any advice of what not to be disturbed to upset any alignment? Your kind advice will be much appreciated. Thank you. 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Can pay with paypal if that's ok. >> >>> On 27 Jan 2011 08:31, "Stephen Windsor" wrote: >>> >>> hi all, >>> >>> my work has tossed these tapes, so before i toss them, is there any interest? >>> They are sealed, have a few of each, 60, 90, i think 120. >>> They may be Type 1, which is not the best. >>> >>> Maxell Professional Industrial P/1 >>> Communicator Series >>> >>> Since they didn't cost me anything, it would just be shipping costs. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Steve >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Sat Jan 29 18:14:39 2011 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 09:14:39 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680ZX transformer blown. What to do? In-Reply-To: <768186.46661.qm@web110303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <768186.46661.qm@web110303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: There is a good chance that there was additional damages. In the brief time that the 110v transformer was subjected to 220v, all the AC voltages in the secondary circuit were DOUBLE what they should've been. This put both unregulated parts (e.g. rectifier diodes and filter caps) and the voltage regulators under an enormous overload -- and some of these circuits may have failed. So, do not be surprised if the failure here is more extensive than the transformer itself. Fred Fred Longworth MBA, CHMM Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F San Diego, CA 92116 (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 Fax: (619) 282-7872 classicaudiorepair at gmail.com stereo1 at cox.net www.repairaudio.com On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 4:15 AM, ying yang wrote: > > I have a Nakamichi 680ZX cassette deck that runs on 110Volt. > > My country provides power at 220Volt. > > As I have not played it for several months, I forgot to use the Step-Down > transformer so I when I swithed on the power the light came on and off > immediately. > > There is no smell coming from the deck. > > I am told that the Transformer is burnt and that I will have to get it > replaced and also since that I am replacing the transformer then a 220Volt > replacement will obviate the need for a Step-Down power adaptor. > > > Is a 220Volt transformer compatible with the deck originally built for a > 110Volt transformer? > > Can anyone advice what special procedures must be observed in view that a > different power transformer of 220Volt is to be used in place of the > original 110Volt. > > Will there be any loss of dynamics (if I am using the correct term) ; will > the sound be degraded because the set was originally not meant for a 20volt > ? > > Any advice of what not to be disturbed to upset any alignment? > > Your kind advice will be much appreciated. > > Thank you. > > Baguadao > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Sat Jan 29 20:10:40 2011 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 20:10:40 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680ZX transformer blown. What to do? In-Reply-To: References: <768186.46661.qm@web110303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Certainly. Saludos, Regards, LP. El 29/01/2011, a las 18:14, Fred Longworth escribió: > There is a good chance that there was additional damages. In the brief time that the 110v transformer was subjected to 220v, all the AC voltages in the secondary circuit were DOUBLE what they should've been. This put both unregulated parts (e.g. rectifier diodes and filter caps) and the voltage regulators under an enormous overload -- and some of these circuits may have failed. > > So, do not be surprised if the failure here is more extensive than the transformer itself. > > Fred > > Fred Longworth MBA, CHMM > Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 > 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F > San Diego, CA 92116 > (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 > Fax: (619) 282-7872 > classicaudiorepair at gmail.com > stereo1 at cox.net > www.repairaudio.com > > On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 4:15 AM, ying yang wrote: > > I have a Nakamichi 680ZX cassette deck that runs on 110Volt. > > My country provides power at 220Volt. > > As I have not played it for several months, I forgot to use the Step-Down transformer so I when I swithed on the power the light came on and off immediately. > > There is no smell coming from the deck. > > I am told that the Transformer is burnt and that I will have to get it replaced and also since that I am replacing the transformer then a 220Volt replacement will obviate the need for a Step-Down power adaptor. > > > Is a 220Volt transformer compatible with the deck originally built for a 110Volt transformer? > > Can anyone advice what special procedures must be observed in view that a different power transformer of 220Volt is to be used in place of the original 110Volt. > > Will there be any loss of dynamics (if I am using the correct term) ; will the sound be degraded because the set was originally not meant for a 20volt ? > > Any advice of what not to be disturbed to upset any alignment? > > Your kind advice will be much appreciated. > > Thank you. > > Baguadao > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 29 17:49:55 2011 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 08:49:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680ZX transformer blown. What to do? In-Reply-To: <167278.61739.qm@web130104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <447851.60778.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ron, Would it be a good idea for him to replace any blown fuses, use his 220 to 120 volt converter, power up and chase voltages? Bob N --- On Sat, 1/29/11, Ron wrote: From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680ZX transformer blown. What to do? To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Saturday, January 29, 2011, 7:24 AM >  I am told that the Transformer is burnt and that I will have to get it replaced Depending on who told you this, it is possible your transformer is good, but the power switch was damaged, or a fuse was blown. Be aware that transformers take some time to burn out. When they do, they usually smell. Have the transformer checked again, by someone you trust. > ... and also since that I am replacing the transformer then a 220Volt replacement will obviate the need for a Step-Down power adaptor. That's true, assuming the replacement part is correct for the 680ZX. > Is a 220Volt transformer compatible with the deck originally built for a 110Volt transformer? If a correct transformer is installed, the deck won't care as long as the transformer matches the line voltage. There will be no performance degradation whatsoever. There will be no effect of alignement. > Can anyone advice what special procedures must be observed in view that a different power transformer of 220Volt is to be used in place of the original 110Volt. If the transformer is, indeed, burned out, then all that needs to be done is replace it with a good one. This is a job for a tech or, at least, a knowledgeable hobbyist. -- Ron From: ying yang To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sat, January 29, 2011 7:15:16 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680ZX transformer blown. What to do?   I have a Nakamichi 680ZX cassette deck that runs on 110Volt.   My country provides power at 220Volt.   As I have not played it for several months, I forgot to use the Step-Down transformer so I when I swithed on the power the light came on and off immediately.   There is no smell coming from the deck.   I am told that the Transformer is burnt and that I will have to get it replaced and also since that I am replacing the transformer then a 220Volt replacement will obviate the need for a Step-Down power adaptor.     Is a 220Volt transformer compatible with the deck originally built for a 110Volt transformer?   Can anyone advice what special procedures must be observed in view that a different power transformer of 220Volt is to be used in place of the original 110Volt.   Will there be any loss of dynamics (if I am using the correct term) ; will the sound be degraded because the set was originally not meant for a 20volt ?   Any advice of what not to be disturbed to upset any alignment?   Your kind advice will be much appreciated.   Thank you.   Baguadao -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fergus.cullen at gmail.com Sat Jan 29 18:26:19 2011 From: fergus.cullen at gmail.com (Fergus Cullen) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 17:26:19 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Any interest in these tapes? In-Reply-To: <4D441F90.6000800@snet.net> References: <4D40A4E3.5040302@snet.net> <4D441F90.6000800@snet.net> Message-ID: oh yea, I'm in Dublin, Ireland On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Stephen Windsor wrote: > Fergus - where are you located? Steve > > On 1/27/2011 3:44 AM, Fergus Cullen wrote: > > I'm interested. Can pay with paypal if that's ok. > > On 27 Jan 2011 08:31, "Stephen Windsor" wrote: > > hi all, > > my work has tossed these tapes, so before i toss them, is there any > interest? > They are sealed, have a few of each, 60, 90, i think 120. > They may be Type 1, which is not the best. > > Maxell Professional Industrial P/1 > Communicator Series > > Since they didn't cost me anything, it would just be shipping costs. > > Thanks, > Steve > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From d_h_gore at yahoo.com Sat Jan 29 21:38:29 2011 From: d_h_gore at yahoo.com (Don Gore) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 12:38:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680ZX transformer blown. What to do? In-Reply-To: References: <768186.46661.qm@web110303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <154650.17779.qm@web65712.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> I would think the first think to blow would be the low voltage fuse and the higher output voltage regulator. I would buy a step down transformer at 100 watts for $10 online, replace your Regulator, replace your fuse, plug in the step down, see what happens. Verify you have the dc voltages out of the 110v transformer and go from there. DG ________________________________ From: Luis Peromarta Regert To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sat, January 29, 2011 2:10:40 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680ZX transformer blown. What to do? Certainly. Saludos, Regards, LP. El 29/01/2011, a las 18:14, Fred Longworth escribió: There is a good chance that there was additional damages. In the brief time that the 110v transformer was subjected to 220v, all the AC voltages in the secondary circuit were DOUBLE what they should've been. This put both unregulated parts (e.g. rectifier diodes and filter caps) and the voltage regulators under an enormous overload -- and some of these circuits may have failed. > >So, do not be surprised if the failure here is more extensive than the >transformer itself. > >Fred > >Fred Longworth MBA, CHMM >Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 >3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F >San Diego, CA 92116 >(619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 >Fax: (619) 282-7872 >classicaudiorepair at gmail.com >stereo1 at cox.net >www.repairaudio.com > > >On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 4:15 AM, ying yang wrote: > > >>I have a Nakamichi 680ZX cassette deck that runs on 110Volt. >> >>My country provides power at 220Volt. >> >>As I have not played it for several months, I forgot to use the Step-Down >>transformer so I when I swithed on the power the light came on and off >>immediately. >> >>There is no smell coming from the deck. >> >>I am told that the Transformer is burnt and that I will have to get it replaced >>and also since that I am replacing the transformer then a 220Volt replacement >>will obviate the need for a Step-Down power adaptor. >> >> >>Is a 220Volt transformer compatible with the deck originally built for a 110Volt >>transformer? >> >>Can anyone advice what special procedures must be observed in view that a >>different power transformer of 220Volt is to be used in place of the original >>110Volt. >> >>Will there be any loss of dynamics (if I am using the correct term) ; will the >>sound be degraded because the set was originally not meant for a 20volt ? >> >>Any advice of what not to be disturbed to upset any alignment? >> >>Your kind advice will be much appreciated. >> >>Thank you. >> >>Baguadao >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <447851.60778.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <167278.61739.qm@web130104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <447851.60778.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Doesn't the deck have a switch to choose mains voltages? If you had blown your transformer it would almost certainly smell. Sometimes - and often with a good manufacturer like Nak - there is a little fuse type thing buried in the transformer windings for exactly this purpose. For the life of me I can't remember what they are called but they are basically the last ditch before your house burns down. Assuming you haven't just blown a fuse, or the LED - though that would notice too with a fair amount of brown and an unusual Orange glow beforehand. In your position I would be quietly hopeful. Best CT On 29 January 2011 16:49, Bob Naylor wrote: > Ron, Would it be a good idea for him to replace any blown fuses, use his > 220 to 120 volt converter, power up and chase voltages? > Bob N > > --- On *Sat, 1/29/11, Ron * wrote: > > > From: Ron > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680ZX transformer blown. What to do? > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Saturday, January 29, 2011, 7:24 AM > > > > I am told that the Transformer is burnt and that I will have to get it > replaced > Depending on who told you this, it is possible your transformer > is good, but the power switch was damaged, or a fuse was > blown. Be aware that transformers take some time to burn out. > When they do, they usually smell. > > Have the transformer checked again, by someone you trust. > > > ... and also since that I am replacing the transformer then a 220Volt > replacement will obviate the need for a Step-Down power adaptor. > That's true, assuming the replacement part is correct for the 680ZX. > > > Is a 220Volt transformer compatible with the deck originally built for a > 110Volt transformer? > If a correct transformer is installed, the deck won't care as long > as the transformer matches the line voltage. There will be no > performance degradation whatsoever. There will be no effect > of alignement. > > > Can anyone advice what special procedures must be observed in view that a > different power transformer of 220Volt is to be used in place of the > original 110Volt. > If the transformer is, indeed, burned out, then all that needs to be > done is replace it with a good one. This is a job for a tech or, at > least, a knowledgeable hobbyist. > > -- Ron > > ------------------------------ > *From:* ying yang > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Sent:* Sat, January 29, 2011 7:15:16 AM > *Subject:* [naktalk] Nakamichi 680ZX transformer blown. What to do? > > > I have a Nakamichi 680ZX cassette deck that runs on 110Volt. > > My country provides power at 220Volt. > > As I have not played it for several months, I forgot to use the Step-Down > transformer so I when I swithed on the power the light came on and off > immediately. > > There is no smell coming from the deck. > > I am told that the Transformer is burnt and that I will have to get it > replaced and also since that I am replacing the transformer then a 220Volt > replacement will obviate the need for a Step-Down power adaptor. > > > Is a 220Volt transformer compatible with the deck originally built for a > 110Volt transformer? > > Can anyone advice what special procedures must be observed in view that a > different power transformer of 220Volt is to be used in place of the > original 110Volt. > > Will there be any loss of dynamics (if I am using the correct term) ; will > the sound be degraded because the set was originally not meant for a 20volt > ? > > Any advice of what not to be disturbed to upset any alignment? > > Your kind advice will be much appreciated. > > Thank you. > > Baguadao > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.commailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Sun Jan 30 03:07:47 2011 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 18:07:47 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680ZX transformer blown. What to do? In-Reply-To: References: <167278.61739.qm@web130104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <447851.60778.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thermal fuse. I have seen scores of transformers that were destroyed by an overvoltage, where there was no smell. *This is particularly true when the thermal fuse is tripped.* The risk is that the overvoltage can harm semiconductors (diodes, transistors, IC's) and capacitors. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Christian Thomas < ct.waveform at googlemail.com> wrote: > Doesn't the deck have a switch to choose mains voltages? > > If you had blown your transformer it would almost certainly smell. > Sometimes - and often with a good manufacturer like Nak - there is a little > fuse type thing buried in the transformer windings for exactly this purpose. > For the life of me I can't remember what they are called but they are > basically the last ditch before your house burns down. Assuming you haven't > just blown a fuse, or the LED - though that would notice too with a fair > amount of brown and an unusual Orange glow beforehand. > > In your position I would be quietly hopeful. > > Best > > CT > > > On 29 January 2011 16:49, Bob Naylor wrote: > >> Ron, Would it be a good idea for him to replace any blown fuses, use his >> 220 to 120 volt converter, power up and chase voltages? >> Bob N >> >> --- On *Sat, 1/29/11, Ron * wrote: >> >> >> From: Ron >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680ZX transformer blown. What to do? >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> Date: Saturday, January 29, 2011, 7:24 AM >> >> >> > I am told that the Transformer is burnt and that I will have to get it >> replaced >> Depending on who told you this, it is possible your transformer >> is good, but the power switch was damaged, or a fuse was >> blown. Be aware that transformers take some time to burn out. >> When they do, they usually smell. >> >> Have the transformer checked again, by someone you trust. >> >> > ... and also since that I am replacing the transformer then a 220Volt >> replacement will obviate the need for a Step-Down power adaptor. >> That's true, assuming the replacement part is correct for the 680ZX. >> >> > Is a 220Volt transformer compatible with the deck originally built for a >> 110Volt transformer? >> If a correct transformer is installed, the deck won't care as long >> as the transformer matches the line voltage. There will be no >> performance degradation whatsoever. There will be no effect >> of alignement. >> >> > Can anyone advice what special procedures must be observed in view that >> a different power transformer of 220Volt is to be used in place of the >> original 110Volt. >> If the transformer is, indeed, burned out, then all that needs to be >> done is replace it with a good one. This is a job for a tech or, at >> least, a knowledgeable hobbyist. >> >> -- Ron >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* ying yang >> *To:* naktalk at naks.com >> *Sent:* Sat, January 29, 2011 7:15:16 AM >> *Subject:* [naktalk] Nakamichi 680ZX transformer blown. What to do? >> >> >> I have a Nakamichi 680ZX cassette deck that runs on 110Volt. >> >> My country provides power at 220Volt. >> >> As I have not played it for several months, I forgot to use the Step-Down >> transformer so I when I swithed on the power the light came on and off >> immediately. >> >> There is no smell coming from the deck. >> >> I am told that the Transformer is burnt and that I will have to get it >> replaced and also since that I am replacing the transformer then a 220Volt >> replacement will obviate the need for a Step-Down power adaptor. >> >> >> Is a 220Volt transformer compatible with the deck originally built for a >> 110Volt transformer? >> >> Can anyone advice what special procedures must be observed in view that a >> different power transformer of 220Volt is to be used in place of the >> original 110Volt. >> >> Will there be any loss of dynamics (if I am using the correct term) ; will >> the sound be degraded because the set was originally not meant for a 20volt >> ? >> >> Any advice of what not to be disturbed to upset any alignment? >> >> Your kind advice will be much appreciated. >> >> Thank you. >> >> Baguadao >> >> >> >> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.commailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ct.waveform at googlemail.com Sun Jan 30 04:36:13 2011 From: ct.waveform at googlemail.com (Christian Thomas) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 03:36:13 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680ZX transformer blown. What to do? In-Reply-To: References: <167278.61739.qm@web130104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <447851.60778.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Fred. On 30 January 2011 02:07, Fred Longworth wrote: > Thermal fuse. > > I have seen scores of transformers that were destroyed by an overvoltage, > where there was no smell. *This is particularly true when the thermal fuse > is tripped.* The risk is that the overvoltage can harm semiconductors > (diodes, transistors, IC's) and capacitors. > > Fred > Classic Audio Repair > www.repairaudio.com > > > On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Christian Thomas < > ct.waveform at googlemail.com> wrote: > >> Doesn't the deck have a switch to choose mains voltages? >> >> If you had blown your transformer it would almost certainly smell. >> Sometimes - and often with a good manufacturer like Nak - there is a little >> fuse type thing buried in the transformer windings for exactly this purpose. >> For the life of me I can't remember what they are called but they are >> basically the last ditch before your house burns down. Assuming you haven't >> just blown a fuse, or the LED - though that would notice too with a fair >> amount of brown and an unusual Orange glow beforehand. >> >> In your position I would be quietly hopeful. >> >> Best >> >> CT >> >> >> On 29 January 2011 16:49, Bob Naylor wrote: >> >>> Ron, Would it be a good idea for him to replace any blown fuses, use his >>> 220 to 120 volt converter, power up and chase voltages? >>> Bob N >>> >>> --- On *Sat, 1/29/11, Ron * wrote: >>> >>> >>> From: Ron >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680ZX transformer blown. What to do? >>> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>> Date: Saturday, January 29, 2011, 7:24 AM >>> >>> >>> > I am told that the Transformer is burnt and that I will have to get it >>> replaced >>> Depending on who told you this, it is possible your transformer >>> is good, but the power switch was damaged, or a fuse was >>> blown. Be aware that transformers take some time to burn out. >>> When they do, they usually smell. >>> >>> Have the transformer checked again, by someone you trust. >>> >>> > ... and also since that I am replacing the transformer then a 220Volt >>> replacement will obviate the need for a Step-Down power adaptor. >>> That's true, assuming the replacement part is correct for the 680ZX. >>> >>> > Is a 220Volt transformer compatible with the deck originally built for >>> a 110Volt transformer? >>> If a correct transformer is installed, the deck won't care as long >>> as the transformer matches the line voltage. There will be no >>> performance degradation whatsoever. There will be no effect >>> of alignement. >>> >>> > Can anyone advice what special procedures must be observed in view that >>> a different power transformer of 220Volt is to be used in place of the >>> original 110Volt. >>> If the transformer is, indeed, burned out, then all that needs to be >>> done is replace it with a good one. This is a job for a tech or, at >>> least, a knowledgeable hobbyist. >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* ying yang >>> *To:* naktalk at naks.com >>> *Sent:* Sat, January 29, 2011 7:15:16 AM >>> *Subject:* [naktalk] Nakamichi 680ZX transformer blown. What to do? >>> >>> >>> I have a Nakamichi 680ZX cassette deck that runs on 110Volt. >>> >>> My country provides power at 220Volt. >>> >>> As I have not played it for several months, I forgot to use the Step-Down >>> transformer so I when I swithed on the power the light came on and off >>> immediately. >>> >>> There is no smell coming from the deck. >>> >>> I am told that the Transformer is burnt and that I will have to get it >>> replaced and also since that I am replacing the transformer then a 220Volt >>> replacement will obviate the need for a Step-Down power adaptor. >>> >>> >>> Is a 220Volt transformer compatible with the deck originally built for a >>> 110Volt transformer? >>> >>> Can anyone advice what special procedures must be observed in view that a >>> different power transformer of 220Volt is to be used in place of the >>> original 110Volt. >>> >>> Will there be any loss of dynamics (if I am using the correct term) ; >>> will the sound be degraded because the set was originally not meant for a >>> 20volt ? >>> >>> Any advice of what not to be disturbed to upset any alignment? >>> >>> Your kind advice will be much appreciated. >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> Baguadao >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >>> >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.commailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Sun Jan 30 16:10:04 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 07:10:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680ZX transformer blown. What to do? In-Reply-To: <447851.60778.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <447851.60778.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <282914.81539.qm@web130104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> That's almost what I would do. I would check all glass fuses first, then fusible resistors (I don't remember off hand whether the 680ZX utilizes any), then all diodes in the power supplies (in-circuit). I would then (and only then) power up with correct voltage and check all supplies voltage, keeping an eye open for sizzling hot or smoking components. All this sounds like a lot but shouldn't take more than 5-10 minutes., -- Ron ________________________________ From: Bob Naylor To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sat, January 29, 2011 11:49:55 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680ZX transformer blown. What to do? Ron, Would it be a good idea for him to replace any blown fuses, use his 220 to 120 volt converter, power up and chase voltages? Bob N --- On Sat, 1/29/11, Ron wrote: >From: Ron >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680ZX transformer blown. What to do? >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Date: Saturday, January 29, 2011, 7:24 AM > > >> I am told that the Transformer is burnt and that I will have to get it >>replaced >> > >Depending on who told you this, it is possible your transformer >is good, but the power switch was damaged, or a fuse was >blown. Be aware that transformers take some time to burn out. >When they do, they usually smell. > >Have the transformer checked again, by someone you trust. > >> ... and also since that I am replacing the transformer then a 220Volt >>replacement will obviate the need for a Step-Down power adaptor. >That's true, assuming the replacement part is correct for the 680ZX. > > >> Is a 220Volt transformer compatible with the deck originally built for a >>110Volt transformer? >If a correct transformer is installed, the deck won't care as long >as the transformer matches the line voltage. There will be no >performance degradation whatsoever. There will be no effect >of alignement. > > >> Can anyone advice what special procedures must be observed in view that a >>different power transformer of 220Volt is to be used in place of the original >>110Volt. >> >If the transformer is, indeed, burned out, then all that needs to be >done is replace it with a good one. This is a job for a tech or, at >least, a knowledgeable hobbyist. > > >-- Ron > > > ________________________________ From: ying yang >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Sat, January 29, 2011 7:15:16 AM >Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680ZX transformer blown. What to do? > > > >I have a Nakamichi 680ZX cassette deck that runs on 110Volt. > >My country provides power at 220Volt. > >As I have not played it for several months, I forgot to use the Step-Down >transformer so I when I swithed on the power the light came on and off >immediately. > >There is no smell coming from the deck. > >I am told that the Transformer is burnt and that I will have to get it replaced >and also since that I am replacing the transformer then a 220Volt replacement >will obviate the need for a Step-Down power adaptor. > > >Is a 220Volt transformer compatible with the deck originally built for a 110Volt >transformer? > >Can anyone advice what special procedures must be observed in view that a >different power transformer of 220Volt is to be used in place of the original >110Volt. > >Will there be any loss of dynamics (if I am using the correct term) ; will the >sound be degraded because the set was originally not meant for a 20volt ? > >Any advice of what not to be disturbed to upset any alignment? > >Your kind advice will be much appreciated. > >Thank you. > >Baguadao > > >-----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Sun Jan 30 19:15:35 2011 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 10:15:35 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Track alignment tape Message-ID: There are fanatics and then there are true fanatics! Tom Mageras from Salt Lake City has been working for some time to create a cassette record head with exactly the right width placed in exactly the right point on a transport to recreate the Nakamichi track alignment tape. He sent me a sample finally a couple of weeks ago and I've been using it and comparing it to the original Nak tape on many different decks. It has proven to be perfectly done and aligns the same as the original tape on every machine. Tom says he created this head by working with knives and files on existing heads he had and then machining a mount which would align it properly since the track width has to be narrower than a cassette track and the placement is between the two cassette tracks. 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Tom says he created >this head by working with knives and files on existing heads he had >and then machining a mount which would align it properly since the >track width has to be narrower than a cassette track and the >placement is between the two cassette tracks. He deserves major >kudos for his work! > >Willy >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland When momentum meets resistance, push harder. From laurenh at gmail.com Sun Jan 30 21:35:31 2011 From: laurenh at gmail.com (Lauren Horn) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 11:35:31 -0900 Subject: [naktalk] Track alignment tape In-Reply-To: <0LFU00KUBOGN4FJ0@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0LFU00KUBOGN4FJ0@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <3062943106059038451@unknownmsgid> Major kudos, indeed. Alas, this is a one-off accomplishment, is it not? Or is he selling tapes? --Lauren On Jan 30, 2011, at 11:10 AM, goodguy wrote: > Kudos to Tom! > > Does he have a webpage showing this accomplishment? > > At 01:15 PM 1/30/2011, you wrote: >> There are fanatics and then there are true fanatics! Tom Mageras from Salt Lake City has been working for some time to create a cassette record head with exactly the right width placed in exactly the right point on a transport to recreate the Nakamichi track alignment tape. He sent me a sample finally a couple of weeks ago and I've been using it and comparing it to the original Nak tape on many different decks. It has proven to be perfectly done and aligns the same as the original tape on every machine. Tom says he created this head by working with knives and files on existing heads he had and then machining a mount which would align it properly since the track width has to be narrower than a cassette track and the placement is between the two cassette tracks. He deserves major kudos for his work! >> >> Willy >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Roland > > When momentum meets resistance, push harder. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com Sun Jan 30 21:41:04 2011 From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 21:41:04 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Track alignment tape In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <86A13262-0581-47B9-89C4-F56E359629F4@gmail.com> Hi Willi, I think the 1kHz track alignment tape was made with two tracks on opposite phase ? Is the new tape done like the originals ? I would like to buy one new track alignment tape, I have two of the original 1kHz tapes. A and B 0n what type on cassette is toms record made? regards gerhard Am 30.01.2011 um 19:15 schrieb Willy Hermann: > There are fanatics and then there are true fanatics! Tom Mageras > from Salt Lake City has been working for some time to create a > cassette record head with exactly the right width placed in exactly > the right point on a transport to recreate the Nakamichi track > alignment tape. He sent me a sample finally a couple of weeks ago > and I've been using it and comparing it to the original Nak tape on > many different decks. It has proven to be perfectly done and > aligns the same as the original tape on every machine. Tom says he > created this head by working with knives and files on existing > heads he had and then machining a mount which would align it > properly since the track width has to be narrower than a cassette > track and the placement is between the two cassette tracks. He > deserves major kudos for his work! > > Willy > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From r1seals at yahoo.com Sun Jan 30 21:51:24 2011 From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 12:51:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Track alignment tape In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <390049.64203.qm@web113304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Is he selling them yet Willy? and what would the price be? Russ --- On Sun, 1/30/11, Willy Hermann wrote: From: Willy Hermann Subject: [naktalk] Track alignment tape To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Sunday, January 30, 2011, 12:15 PM There are fanatics and then there are true fanatics!  Tom Mageras from Salt Lake City has been working for some time to create a cassette record head with exactly the right width placed in exactly the right point on a transport to recreate the Nakamichi track alignment tape.  He sent me a sample finally a couple of weeks ago and I've been using it and comparing it to the original Nak tape on many different decks.  It has proven to be perfectly done and aligns the same as the original tape on every machine.  Tom says he created this head by working with knives and files on existing heads he had and then machining a mount which would align it properly since the track width has to be narrower than a cassette track and the placement is between the two cassette tracks.  He deserves major kudos for his work! 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So far I have replaced the playback head (with one from a 482), all of the orange and electoyltic capacitors and the 7812/7912 voltage regulators. The deck works fine on all functions, but I still have a couple of issues: - a high-pitched tone on playback, this is the same frequency regardless of tape speed so does not come from the motors. I have replaced the voltage regulators which made no difference - recording level is 4-5db higher than playback with adjustments in mid-position with very little high-frequency response, bass and midrange seem to have been boosted. Heads are correctly aligned using A-bex alignment tapes. I should mention that the deck is a 220V deck runnning on 240V, but all the voltages are fine. The service manual seems to list the same parts (including transformer) for 220V and 240V operation Any ides guys? Thanks, David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Sun Jan 30 23:31:05 2011 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 14:31:05 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Track alignment tape In-Reply-To: <86A13262-0581-47B9-89C4-F56E359629F4@gmail.com> References: <86A13262-0581-47B9-89C4-F56E359629F4@gmail.com> Message-ID: I just talked with Tom again and he says he is planning on selling some of them. I don't know what he's going to end up with in the way of a box and tape but I know he's played with lots of different ones of those as well to get something which will track evenly. His tape -- and I believe the Nakamichi tape I have -- has nothing recorded in the audio track locations. It has a 1kHz tone recorded in the band between the two main tracks which is why you tune the head height for minimum signal in both left and right channels. Tom said anyone interested in a tape can contact him at 801-422-2166. That's his work phone - he works at a university. He's in his shop usually until around 3pm mountain time during the week. If you leave him a message he can call you back at a time of your choosing. He doesn't want to use his university email address and hasn't gotten himself another yet. A true analog guy! Willy On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Gerhard Wartha wrote: > Hi Willi, > > I think the 1kHz track alignment tape was made with two tracks on opposite > phase ? > Is the new tape done like the originals ? > > I would like to buy one new track alignment tape, I have two of the > original 1kHz tapes. A and B > > 0n what type on cassette is toms record made? > > regards > > gerhard > Am 30.01.2011 um 19:15 schrieb Willy Hermann: > > There are fanatics and then there are true fanatics! Tom Mageras from >> Salt Lake City has been working for some time to create a cassette record >> head with exactly the right width placed in exactly the right point on a >> transport to recreate the Nakamichi track alignment tape. He sent me a >> sample finally a couple of weeks ago and I've been using it and comparing it >> to the original Nak tape on many different decks. It has proven to be >> perfectly done and aligns the same as the original tape on every machine. >> Tom says he created this head by working with knives and files on existing >> heads he had and then machining a mount which would align it properly since >> the track width has to be narrower than a cassette track and the placement >> is between the two cassette tracks. 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URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Mon Jan 31 01:36:08 2011 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 16:36:08 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX - a couple of problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 1:46 PM, David Frow wrote: > Hi all, > > I have a 680ZX which I bought in a non-working condition (ebay special) and > have been working through the issues the deck had. So far I have replaced > the playback head (with one from a 482), all of the orange and electoyltic > capacitors and the 7812/7912 voltage regulators. The deck works fine on all > functions, but I still have a couple of issues: > *Are you certain that the head from the 482 is the same as the head for the 680ZX?* > > - a high-pitched tone on playback, this is the same frequency regardless of > tape speed so does not come from the motors. I have replaced the voltage > regulators which made no difference > *This is best troubleshot using an oscilloscope.* *Also, check your electrolytic power supply and decoupling capacitors. It is extremely easy to get one of them in backwards when you're replacing a whole handful of them. Even seasoned techs make this error.* > > - recording level is 4-5db higher than playback with adjustments in > mid-position with very little high-frequency response, bass and midrange > seem to have been boosted. Heads are correctly aligned using A-bex > alignment tapes. > *Is the poor high-frequency response true on prerecorded tapes, or is it only true on tapes that have been recorded on this very 680ZX and then played back?* > > I should mention that the deck is a 220V deck runnning on 240V, but all the > voltages are fine. The service manual seems to list the same parts > (including transformer) for 220V and 240V operation > > Any ides guys? 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URL: From laurenh at gmail.com Mon Jan 31 02:36:24 2011 From: laurenh at gmail.com (Lauren Horn) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 16:36:24 -0900 Subject: [naktalk] Track alignment tape In-Reply-To: References: <86A13262-0581-47B9-89C4-F56E359629F4@gmail.com> Message-ID: <-4304539892514312699@unknownmsgid> I'm planning to get one myself. Would it help to have one of those fancy transport alignment jigs? --Lauren On Jan 30, 2011, at 3:18 PM, Willy Hermann wrote: I just talked with Tom again and he says he is planning on selling some of them. I don't know what he's going to end up with in the way of a box and tape but I know he's played with lots of different ones of those as well to get something which will track evenly. His tape -- and I believe the Nakamichi tape I have -- has nothing recorded in the audio track locations. It has a 1kHz tone recorded in the band between the two main tracks which is why you tune the head height for minimum signal in both left and right channels. Tom said anyone interested in a tape can contact him at 801-422-2166. That's his work phone - he works at a university. He's in his shop usually until around 3pm mountain time during the week. If you leave him a message he can call you back at a time of your choosing. He doesn't want to use his university email address and hasn't gotten himself another yet. A true analog guy! Willy On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Gerhard Wartha wrote: > Hi Willi, > > I think the 1kHz track alignment tape was made with two tracks on opposite > phase ? > Is the new tape done like the originals ? > > I would like to buy one new track alignment tape, I have two of the > original 1kHz tapes. A and B > > 0n what type on cassette is toms record made? > > regards > > gerhard > Am 30.01.2011 um 19:15 schrieb Willy Hermann: > > There are fanatics and then there are true fanatics! Tom Mageras from >> Salt Lake City has been working for some time to create a cassette record >> head with exactly the right width placed in exactly the right point on a >> transport to recreate the Nakamichi track alignment tape. He sent me a >> sample finally a couple of weeks ago and I've been using it and comparing it >> to the original Nak tape on many different decks. It has proven to be >> perfectly done and aligns the same as the original tape on every machine. >> Tom says he created this head by working with knives and files on existing >> heads he had and then machining a mount which would align it properly since >> the track width has to be narrower than a cassette track and the placement >> is between the two cassette tracks. 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URL: From angel9esoteric at gmail.com Mon Jan 31 05:30:15 2011 From: angel9esoteric at gmail.com (MD) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 23:30:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Cassette Deck RM-20 Remote Control Sells for Big Bucks In-Reply-To: References: <19217215.1295394494041.JavaMail.ebba@phxbat68> Message-ID: I think it's ok price for New Old Stock item.The remote is extremely hard to find especially in this New condition.Regards,N On 1/30/11, Mark Exstedt wrote: > > > > > > Last year I sold a 'minty' one for $232 + shipping. > The most I seen these go for was $299. > Check out this price - a new record. > > Nakamichi RM-20 Remote Control for Dragon Cassette Deck > > From josephjean at verizon.net Mon Jan 31 04:32:06 2011 From: josephjean at verizon.net (goodguy) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 22:32:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Cassette Deck RM-20 Remote Control Sells for Big Bucks In-Reply-To: References: <19217215.1295394494041.JavaMail.ebba@phxbat68> Message-ID: <0LFV00F5VB5DM3I0@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> I guess if you are looking for NOS, the price is right. If you're going to actually use it, no way Jose! At 10:03 PM 1/30/2011, you wrote: >Last year I sold a 'minty' one for $232 + shipping. >The most I seen these go for was $299. >Check out this price - a new record. > >Nakamichi >RM-20 Remote Control for Dragon Cassette Deck > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland When momentum meets resistance, push harder. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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At 10:03 PM 1/30/2011, you wrote: >Last year I sold a 'minty' one for $232 + shipping. >The most I seen these go for was $299. >Check out this price - a new record. > >Nakamichi >RM-20 Remote Control for Dragon Cassette Deck > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________ Globe Life Insurance $1* Buys $50,000 Life Insurance. Adults or Children. No Medical Exam. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4d4633d144fcb87108st03duc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From koman56 at hol.gr Mon Jan 31 08:31:19 2011 From: koman56 at hol.gr (Emmanuel Komninos) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 09:31:19 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Track alignment tape In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D466547.80308@hol.gr> Tom, Willy this is great news as the 1KHz tape is so rear to find (and of course of unknown used status - if found) and so difficult to produce. Personally i never found any 1Khz Track alignment tape out there to even get close to the original one. (despite the long time hard efforts). Kudos to Tom for his accomplishment and i hope he will leverage the hard working hours with many -many sales, local and international!!! For us overseas it will be ever harder to reach him on the phone, so i hope he will soon be able to find a way and make life easier for those who want to acquire one (or 2!!!) Price and availability would also be very welcomed, if available!!! Manos On 30/1/2011 8:15 ??, Willy Hermann wrote: > There are fanatics and then there are true fanatics! Tom Mageras from > Salt Lake City has been working for some time to create a cassette > record head with exactly the right width placed in exactly the right > point on a transport to recreate the Nakamichi track alignment tape. > He sent me a sample finally a couple of weeks ago and I've been using > it and comparing it to the original Nak tape on many different decks. > It has proven to be perfectly done and aligns the same as the > original tape on every machine. Tom says he created this head by > working with knives and files on existing heads he had and then > machining a mount which would align it properly since the track width > has to be narrower than a cassette track and the placement is between > the two cassette tracks. 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URL: g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2011\2011-July.txt.txt ************************************************************************ From ct.waveform at googlemail.com Fri Jul 1 01:38:32 2011 From: ct.waveform at googlemail.com (Christian Thomas) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 00:38:32 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] input stage op amps in Dragon and CR-7 In-Reply-To: References: <1309439570.7116.YahooMailClassic@web130110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Not much effect at all I would have thought. They are all fet amps, I think. While I'm quite certain I can tell the difference between any of these amps I don't think I have ever noticed noise. Even going to bp amps with quite high impedances I certainly have never heard anything I would count as hiss. In fact it annoys.me sometimes because I can't ever be easily sure my speakers are connected. Yes, all these amps should sound much the same because they have huge ol gain and are rather better in every respect than anything in"audio". A lot of the comparisons are poorly conceived and one can't really plug one amp in after another and do an A/B. What they reference as ground has an awful lot to do with it. Also the psrr counts for quite a lot too. Most audio designers, me included, are already 25 years out of their depth when it comes to op amps. I can't think of any other reason why they wouldn't use them. Best, CT On Jun 30, 2011 7:56 PM, "Yuri Regelman" wrote: > I think I'm in the category that can't tell the straight through wire from > TL072 when it comes to sonic signature. However, I'm pretty sure I'd be > able to notice the noise level difference. So I'm curious what effect will > switching from TL072 to OPA2134 or OPA2604 have on noise levels? > > Yuri > > On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 6:12 AM, Ron wrote: > >> >> The TL072 was 'what's available' 30 years ago. Even then, >> Nak had to use selected ICs. Today, there are several better >> options for an audio op-amp, some of which you mentioned. >> I like the OPA2134 and -- based on both listening test and >> specs -- prefer it over the OPA2604, even though many >> prefer otherwise. I had an occasion to compare the two in >> the same circuit (Hagerman phono preamp) which I built >> with sockets, for exactly this purpose. The OPA2134 >> sounds 'cleaner and leaner', which I like. >> >> I also compared the OP275, which is not a FET input chip. >> Sounded very good, with a full bodied character, but -- to >> me -- not quite as satisfying as the OPA2134. >> >> Be aware that all those op-amps sound good. Differences >> are very subtle and fleeting. In one blind A-B listening test >> listeners couldn't tell the difference between a TL072 and >> a straight piece of wire :-). >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> >> --- On *Wed, 6/29/11, Christian Thomas *wrote: >> >> >> From: Christian Thomas >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] input stage op amps in Dragon and CR-7 >> >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> Date: Wednesday, June 29, 2011, 7:47 PM >> >> >> >> Ron, I wouldn't do that if I were you. The humble TLO72, of which I assume >> this is a generic copy, actually has quite a lively sound. A bit rough in >> places, but it may be quite a significant part of your nak. Personally I >> love it, but often I can't get away with its rough and readiness. In the >> context of tape with a few deficiencies, it might be just the thing to liven >> it up. Alternatively I could put that more politely saying it would be just >> the thing because its own problems are unlikely to manifest. >> Rather than the 2134 I would try a 2604. But that may be a bit dull for >> your taste. A,lot of people swear by it but I think it is as dull as >> ditchwater. Depending on how the circuit has been designed - ie is there any >> reason they chose a fet amp - then you could go for one of the top drawer >> amps from what was the lme series, like the 4562. You will lose most of the >> noise advantages if they have quite high impedances, but there is nothing >> wrong with the amp itself. Again a bjt one of my faves on a more reasonable >> budget is the lm6171 which also has a dual, 6172. >> >> Incidentally, on the subject of the new 700/1000 boards, couldn't one have >> a lot more fun than just reproducing them? I'd love to hear a deck with >> really modern stuff in it. Dedicated power supply, decent amps, proper >> layout and good quality components. We may not have. Been able to convince >> everyone in 1985, but we probably could now. >> >> Best Christian >> On Jun 28, 2011 5:43 PM, "Ron" > >> wrote: >> > >> > I have no clue, but always assumed the DE was >> > tested for noise. I planned to replace this IC >> > on my CR-7 with an OPA2134, but never got a >> > round tuit. >> > >> > -- Ron >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > --- On Mon, 6/27/11, Yuri Regelman > >> wrote: >> > >> >> From: Yuri Regelman >> > >> >> Subject: [naktalk] input stage op amps in Dragon and CR-7 >> >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> > >> >> Date: Monday, June 27, 2011, 6:08 PM >> >> I noticed that Dragon and CR-7 >> >> service manuals specifically call out >> >> NJM072DE op amps in the input stages, as opposed to just >> >> NJM072D that >> >> are used elsewhere in the circuit. Does anyone know >> >> what is the >> >> difference between DE vs D? I searched online for a >> >> while, but could >> >> not find anything relevant. >> >> Just curious, Thanks! >> >> Yuri >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Also check out the wiki! >> >> http://www.naks.com/wiki >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> Naktalk at naks.com >> >> mailinglist >> >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> > >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.commailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Fri Jul 1 16:12:22 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 07:12:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] input stage op amps in Dragon and CR-7 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1309529542.49173.YahooMailClassic@web130102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The Nak input circuit in the CR-7 utilizes a very low noise FET (selected 2SK170) in front of the TL072. As a result, the op-amp noise performance is not that relevant to the circuit noise performance. So, even though the OPA2134 is quieter than the TL072, the difference won't be easily audible (if at all) in that circuit. -- Ron --- On Thu, 6/30/11, Yuri Regelman wrote: From: Yuri Regelman Subject: Re: [naktalk] input stage op amps in Dragon and CR-7 To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, June 30, 2011, 1:09 PM I think I'm in the category that can't tell the straight through wire from TL072 when it comes to sonic signature.  However, I'm pretty sure I'd be able to notice the noise level difference.  So I'm curious what effect will switching from TL072 to OPA2134 or OPA2604 have on noise levels? Yuri On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 6:12 AM, Ron wrote: The TL072 was 'what's available' 30 years ago. Even then, Nak had to use selected ICs. Today, there are several better options for an audio op-amp, some of which you mentioned. I like the OPA2134 and -- based on both listening test and specs -- prefer it over the OPA2604, even though many prefer otherwise. I had an occasion to compare the two in the same circuit (Hagerman phono preamp) which I built with sockets, for exactly this purpose. The OPA2134 sounds 'cleaner and leaner', which I like. I also compared the OP275, which is not a FET input chip. Sounded very good, with a full bodied character, but -- to me -- not quite as satisfying as the OPA2134. Be aware that all those op-amps sound good. Differences are very subtle and fleeting. In one blind A-B listening test listeners couldn't tell the difference between a TL072 and a straight piece of wire  :-). -- Ron --- On Wed, 6/29/11, Christian Thomas wrote: From: Christian Thomas Subject: Re: [naktalk] input stage op amps in Dragon and CR-7 To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, June 29, 2011, 7:47 PM Ron, I wouldn't do that if I were you. The humble TLO72, of which I assume this is a generic copy, actually has quite a lively sound. A bit rough in places, but it may be quite a significant part of your nak. Personally I love it, but often I can't get away with its rough and readiness. In the context of tape with a few deficiencies, it might be just the thing to liven it up.  Alternatively I could put that more politely saying it would be just the thing because its own problems are unlikely to manifest. Rather than the 2134 I would try a 2604. But that may be a bit dull for your taste. A,lot of people swear by it but I think it is as dull as ditchwater. Depending on how the circuit has been designed - ie is there any reason they chose a fet amp - then you could go for one of the top drawer amps from what was the lme series, like the 4562.  You will lose most of the noise advantages if they have quite high impedances, but there is nothing wrong with the amp itself. Again a bjt one of my faves on a more reasonable budget is the lm6171 which also has a dual, 6172. Incidentally, on the subject of the new 700/1000 boards, couldn't one have a lot more fun than just reproducing them? I'd love to hear a deck with really modern stuff in it. Dedicated power supply, decent amps, proper layout and good quality components.  We may not have. Been able to convince everyone in 1985, but we probably could now. Best Christian On Jun 28, 2011 5:43 PM, "Ron" wrote: > > I have no clue, but always assumed the DE was > tested for noise. I planned to replace this IC > on my CR-7 with an OPA2134, but never got a > round tuit. > > -- Ron > > > > > --- On Mon, 6/27/11, Yuri Regelman wrote: > >> From: Yuri Regelman >> Subject: [naktalk] input stage op amps in Dragon and CR-7 >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> Date: Monday, June 27, 2011, 6:08 PM >> I noticed that Dragon and CR-7 >> service manuals specifically call out >> NJM072DE op amps in the input stages, as opposed to just >> NJM072D that >> are used elsewhere in the circuit.  Does anyone know >> what is the >> difference between DE vs D?  I searched online for a >> while, but could >> not find anything relevant. >> Just curious,  Thanks! >> Yuri >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>           Also check out the wiki! >> http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                 >>         Naktalk at naks.com >> mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eidling at gmail.com Fri Jul 1 20:48:05 2011 From: eidling at gmail.com (MichaelG.) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 14:48:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] "master fader up" stuck in on position on RX-505 Message-ID: Hi - Can anyone tell me how to fix this? thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From perry.nak at comcast.net Sat Jul 2 12:45:44 2011 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 10:45:44 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Rx505 fader stuck up Message-ID: <805872725-1309603533-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-702759513-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry> It is likely the LDR has failed. LDR is light dependent resistor . In the manual it has a CdS prefix for cadmium sulfide. It consists of an LED with 2 LDRs in a single beetle shaped component for 6 leads total, and likely the LED has failed. It is possible to open the component and replace the LED. Perry Esposito - From my phone From ct.waveform at googlemail.com Sat Jul 2 11:35:26 2011 From: ct.waveform at googlemail.com (Christian Thomas) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 10:35:26 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] "master fader up" stuck in on position on RX-505 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Carefully On Jul 2, 2011 10:18 AM, "MichaelG." wrote: > Hi - Can anyone tell me how to fix this? > > thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noneyhoney at hotmail.com Sat Jul 2 11:58:56 2011 From: noneyhoney at hotmail.com (s b) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 15:28:56 +0530 Subject: : [naktalk] Nak700ZXL playback PCB clone In-Reply-To: <201106281045.p5SAguog026508@zxe.naks.com> References: <201106281045.p5SAguog026508@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Dear MikeI may be late in jumping into the convo, but if you are at all going to clone the PCBs, then personally I would do the following :Try and build the tracks from a schematic and (if possible) using SMD components. If you go this route, then you can probably condense more PCBs into a single board (double sided etc) with good ground planes. This would reduce total track lengths,eliminate cabling and reduce noise to a great extent and improve performance. Best wishesSoumitra -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Sat Jul 2 17:33:26 2011 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 08:33:26 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] "master fader up" stuck in on position on RX-505 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's not broken. It works only in record mode. Load a tape, press record and pause, feed it some source information and set your levels. Then press the "Fader Down" button and you'll see the sound decrease to zero and the lights change. Willy On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 11:48 AM, MichaelG. wrote: > Hi - Can anyone tell me how to fix this? > > thanks! > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com Sun Jul 3 19:44:52 2011 From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 19:44:52 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 1000&1000II Message-ID: <95728472-6251-4446-B34A-BFFA7646CDE7@gmail.com> Hi listeners, Does somebody know ? Is the 1000II much better than the first 3 head Deck 1000 ? The 1000II peek level meter goes until 10db , the 1000 meter goes to 5db.' Does it mean the 1000II can handle to maximum recorded cassettes more easy.? Does it make a big difference in play back this cassette, who are recorded until 0db to 8 db. Was is changed with the Naka 1000II because the tapes did changed in the 1970´s that much, and did record much more Gauss like in the early 1970´s ? regards Gerhard From eidling at gmail.com Sun Jul 3 01:07:51 2011 From: eidling at gmail.com (MichaelG.) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 19:07:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] "master fader up" stuck in on position on RX-505 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: So I have since learned... Willly - you are everywhere! In a separate e-mail I sent you my information. When I hear back from you I will box and ship the rx-505. It definitely "groans" a bit when it stops. What is your opinion of this model? I've always tended to avoid complicated things - I've always thought there will just be more things to go wrong, but it is a nice deck. I'm not sure that it sounds significantly different from my BX-2 which Nakamichi serviced and then saw little use, but perhaps that is just because the RX-505 needs to be properly set up, adjusted, etc. thanks again, Michael On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Willy Hermann < willy at willyhermannservices.com> wrote: > It's not broken. It works only in record mode. Load a tape, press record > and pause, feed it some source information and set your levels. Then press > the "Fader Down" button and you'll see the sound decrease to zero and the > lights change. > > Willy > > On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 11:48 AM, MichaelG. wrote: > >> Hi - Can anyone tell me how to fix this? >> >> thanks! >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yregelman at gmail.com Mon Jul 4 23:43:48 2011 From: yregelman at gmail.com (Yuri Regelman) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 14:43:48 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Hum In-Reply-To: References: <201103161219.p2GCI33B013663@zxe.naks.com> <002101cbe3eb$283df580$78b9e080$@net> Message-ID: I've been trying to find the source of this hum for a while. As I've been going through the cap replacements, and various other upgrades I never did find an electrical reason (such as ac ripple in the power supply, or loose ground connection, bad shield, etc. ) Yesterday I finally had a hunch: what if the playback head is legitimately picking up the signal... Sure enough, I took one of those metal shields you find inside a cassette and brought it real close to the front of the playback head, resting it on the pressure pad lifter, and the noise went away.. So it must be EMF induced. To make sure the EMF is not coming from the DD motor I disconnected it from the power supply, but that did not help. Could it be that the power supply transformer is radiating that much EMF that it is reaching the playback head? Yuri So now the question is: what can be generating that much EMF On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Fred Longworth wrote: > Tighten all pc-to-chassis grounds. > > Check all the output jacks for weak or open connections on the ground side. > > Check all voltage regulators with a voltmeter and an oscilloscope. > > Check power supply filter capacitors to see if one or more of them is > beginning to open up -- very common. > > Verify that the shielding on the signal cables from the head assembly is > intact. Do not use a regular ohmmeter for this check. > > Fred > > Fred Longworth  MBA, CHMM > Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 > 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F > San Diego, CA 92116 > (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 > Fax: (619) 282-7872 > classicaudiorepair at gmail.com > stereo1 at cox.net > www.repairaudio.com > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 8:02 AM, R Kent wrote: >> >> Yuri, >> Try isolating your Dragon physically from your other gear by 12" or so and >> see if the AC hum goes away.  The Dragon is known to be particularly >> susceptible to AC hum.  I had a similar problem a few years ago and was >> able >> to solve it by re-arranging my stack of gear to separate the Dragon >> further >> from power supply components in my other components. >> Robert Kent >> >> >> From: Yuri Regelman >> Subject: [naktalk] humming Dragon >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Message-ID: >>         >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Hello Nak Gurus, >> I'm trying to troubleshoot a problem with my Dragon, and I'm hoping to >> glimpse some insights from you. >> The issue is that it is producing very slight AC noise in playback mode. >> The problem is only noticeable >> while playing silent portions of tape at high volumes.   None of my other >> decks CR-7, RX-505 and ZX-7 exhibit any of AC type noise. >> So, while I am definitely nit-picking, and the issue is unnoticeable in >> normal use, it seems like it should not be there at all in a deck of this >> caliber. >> I've looked at the power supply rails on the amp board with a scope and >> don't see any AC ripple. The grounding wires seem to be properly attached, >> playback head wiring seems properly routed... nothing too obvious. >> >> I did stock all the large caps and I'm planning to replace them soon.  But >> before I blindly charge ahead changing electrolytic caps hoping the issue >> would go away, >> I'd like to try to find the root cause. >> So my question is:  do Dragons have some usual trouble spots that may >> result >> in AC hum being injected into the playback, and what are good ways to >> troubleshoot something like that? >> >> Any input is highly appreciated. >> Cheers, >> Yuri >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From willy at willyhermannservices.com Tue Jul 5 01:47:23 2011 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 16:47:23 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Hum In-Reply-To: References: <201103161219.p2GCI33B013663@zxe.naks.com> <002101cbe3eb$283df580$78b9e080$@net> Message-ID: Have you tried moving the deck around physically to see if the hum changes? I've had radio frequency interference at such a high level that it induced what appeared to be hum in the play head and/or wiring. Moving the deck to another shelf solved that problem since it was in a hot RF node That was in San Francisco directly underneath Sutro Tower and with a brand new Dragon back in the 80's. Willy. On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Yuri Regelman wrote: > I've been trying to find the source of this hum for a while. As I've > been going through the cap replacements, and various other upgrades I > never did find an electrical reason (such as ac ripple in the power > supply, or loose ground connection, bad shield, etc. ) Yesterday I > finally had a hunch: what if the playback head is legitimately > picking up the signal... Sure enough, I took one of those metal > shields you find inside a cassette and brought it real close to the > front of the playback head, resting it on the pressure pad lifter, and > the noise went away.. > So it must be EMF induced. To make sure the EMF is not coming from > the DD motor I disconnected it from the power supply, but that did not > help. > Could it be that the power supply transformer is radiating that much > EMF that it is reaching the playback head? > Yuri > > So now the question is: what can be generating that much EMF > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Fred Longworth > wrote: > > Tighten all pc-to-chassis grounds. > > > > Check all the output jacks for weak or open connections on the ground > side. > > > > Check all voltage regulators with a voltmeter and an oscilloscope. > > > > Check power supply filter capacitors to see if one or more of them is > > beginning to open up -- very common. > > > > Verify that the shielding on the signal cables from the head assembly is > > intact. Do not use a regular ohmmeter for this check. > > > > Fred > > > > Fred Longworth MBA, CHMM > > Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 > > 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F > > San Diego, CA 92116 > > (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 > > Fax: (619) 282-7872 > > classicaudiorepair at gmail.com > > stereo1 at cox.net > > www.repairaudio.com > > > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 8:02 AM, R Kent wrote: > >> > >> Yuri, > >> Try isolating your Dragon physically from your other gear by 12" or so > and > >> see if the AC hum goes away. The Dragon is known to be particularly > >> susceptible to AC hum. I had a similar problem a few years ago and was > >> able > >> to solve it by re-arranging my stack of gear to separate the Dragon > >> further > >> from power supply components in my other components. > >> Robert Kent > >> > >> > >> From: Yuri Regelman > >> Subject: [naktalk] humming Dragon > >> To: naktalk at naks.com > >> Message-ID: > >> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >> > >> Hello Nak Gurus, > >> I'm trying to troubleshoot a problem with my Dragon, and I'm hoping to > >> glimpse some insights from you. > >> The issue is that it is producing very slight AC noise in playback mode. > >> The problem is only noticeable > >> while playing silent portions of tape at high volumes. None of my > other > >> decks CR-7, RX-505 and ZX-7 exhibit any of AC type noise. > >> So, while I am definitely nit-picking, and the issue is unnoticeable in > >> normal use, it seems like it should not be there at all in a deck of > this > >> caliber. > >> I've looked at the power supply rails on the amp board with a scope and > >> don't see any AC ripple. The grounding wires seem to be properly > attached, > >> playback head wiring seems properly routed... nothing too obvious. > >> > >> I did stock all the large caps and I'm planning to replace them soon. > But > >> before I blindly charge ahead changing electrolytic caps hoping the > issue > >> would go away, > >> I'd like to try to find the root cause. > >> So my question is: do Dragons have some usual trouble spots that may > >> result > >> in AC hum being injected into the playback, and what are good ways to > >> troubleshoot something like that? > >> > >> Any input is highly appreciated. > >> Cheers, > >> Yuri > >> > >> > >> > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Tue Jul 5 02:55:23 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 14:55:23 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Hum In-Reply-To: References: <201103161219.p2GCI33B013663@zxe.naks.com><002101cbe3eb$283df580$78b9e080$@net> Message-ID: Experienced this recently too. Turned out that my old Audionics CC-2 Amp didn't like being near a Jolida Phono Pre-Amp. Not only was I getting hum, but the Audionics Amp (paired with my old Audionics Pre-Amp) starting behaving as if one or both of them were severely overdriven if the volume was turned up more than 1/4 of the dial. I thought my old gear was dying. Moving the Audionics Amp about 3 feet from the Jolida took care of the problem. Having never experienced this with the old gear it took me a while to isolate the problem -- spent hours swapping out cables, checking grounds, etc. Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Yuri Regelman Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 11:44 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Hum I've been trying to find the source of this hum for a while. As I've been going through the cap replacements, and various other upgrades I never did find an electrical reason (such as ac ripple in the power supply, or loose ground connection, bad shield, etc. ) Yesterday I finally had a hunch: what if the playback head is legitimately picking up the signal... Sure enough, I took one of those metal shields you find inside a cassette and brought it real close to the front of the playback head, resting it on the pressure pad lifter, and the noise went away.. So it must be EMF induced. To make sure the EMF is not coming from the DD motor I disconnected it from the power supply, but that did not help. Could it be that the power supply transformer is radiating that much EMF that it is reaching the playback head? Yuri So now the question is: what can be generating that much EMF On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Fred Longworth wrote: > Tighten all pc-to-chassis grounds. > > Check all the output jacks for weak or open connections on the ground side. > > Check all voltage regulators with a voltmeter and an oscilloscope. > > Check power supply filter capacitors to see if one or more of them is > beginning to open up -- very common. > > Verify that the shielding on the signal cables from the head assembly > is intact. Do not use a regular ohmmeter for this check. > > Fred > > Fred Longworth  MBA, CHMM > Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 > 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F > San Diego, CA 92116 > (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 > Fax: (619) 282-7872 > classicaudiorepair at gmail.com > stereo1 at cox.net > www.repairaudio.com > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 8:02 AM, R Kent wrote: >> >> Yuri, >> Try isolating your Dragon physically from your other gear by 12" or >> so and see if the AC hum goes away.  The Dragon is known to be >> particularly susceptible to AC hum.  I had a similar problem a few >> years ago and was able to solve it by re-arranging my stack of gear >> to separate the Dragon further from power supply components in my >> other components. >> Robert Kent >> >> >> From: Yuri Regelman >> Subject: [naktalk] humming Dragon >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Message-ID: >>         >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Hello Nak Gurus, >> I'm trying to troubleshoot a problem with my Dragon, and I'm hoping >> to glimpse some insights from you. >> The issue is that it is producing very slight AC noise in playback mode. >> The problem is only noticeable >> while playing silent portions of tape at high volumes.   None of my >> other decks CR-7, RX-505 and ZX-7 exhibit any of AC type noise. >> So, while I am definitely nit-picking, and the issue is unnoticeable >> in normal use, it seems like it should not be there at all in a deck >> of this caliber. >> I've looked at the power supply rails on the amp board with a scope >> and don't see any AC ripple. The grounding wires seem to be properly >> attached, playback head wiring seems properly routed... nothing too obvious. >> >> I did stock all the large caps and I'm planning to replace them soon.   >> But before I blindly charge ahead changing electrolytic caps hoping >> the issue would go away, I'd like to try to find the root cause. >> So my question is:  do Dragons have some usual trouble spots that may >> result in AC hum being injected into the playback, and what are good >> ways to troubleshoot something like that? >> >> Any input is highly appreciated. >> Cheers, >> Yuri >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== >> ===== >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== >> ===== >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your >> account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== >> ===== > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > ==== >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > ==== >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > ==== > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yregelman at gmail.com Tue Jul 5 03:03:22 2011 From: yregelman at gmail.com (Yuri Regelman) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 18:03:22 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Hum In-Reply-To: References: <201103161219.p2GCI33B013663@zxe.naks.com> <002101cbe3eb$283df580$78b9e080$@net> Message-ID: The hum is always there, irrespective of the location, whether on the shelf, on the floor or a different room. None of my other decks have any noticeable hum, so I'm pretty sure it is specific to the dragon. On a different note, living right underneath Sutro Tower must pose some interesting challenges to one's HiFi :) Yuri On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 4:47 PM, Willy Hermann wrote: > Have you tried moving the deck around physically to see if the hum changes? >  I've had radio frequency interference at such a high level that it induced > what appeared to be hum in the play head and/or wiring.  Moving the deck to > another shelf solved that problem since it was in a hot RF node  That was in > San Francisco directly underneath Sutro Tower and with a brand new Dragon > back in the 80's. > Willy. > > On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Yuri Regelman wrote: >> >> I've been trying to find the source of this hum for a while.  As I've >> been going through the cap replacements, and various other upgrades I >> never did find an electrical reason (such as ac ripple in the power >> supply, or loose ground connection, bad shield, etc. )  Yesterday I >> finally had a hunch:  what if the playback head is legitimately >> picking up the signal...  Sure enough, I took one of those metal >> shields you find inside a cassette and brought it real close to the >> front of the playback head, resting it on the pressure pad lifter, and >> the noise went away.. >> So it must be EMF induced.  To make sure the EMF is not coming from >> the DD motor I disconnected it from the power supply, but that did not >> help. >> Could it be that the power supply transformer is radiating that much >> EMF that it is reaching the playback head? >> Yuri >> >> So now the question is: what can be generating that much EMF >> >> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Fred Longworth >> wrote: >> > Tighten all pc-to-chassis grounds. >> > >> > Check all the output jacks for weak or open connections on the ground >> > side. >> > >> > Check all voltage regulators with a voltmeter and an oscilloscope. >> > >> > Check power supply filter capacitors to see if one or more of them is >> > beginning to open up -- very common. >> > >> > Verify that the shielding on the signal cables from the head assembly is >> > intact. Do not use a regular ohmmeter for this check. >> > >> > Fred >> > >> > Fred Longworth  MBA, CHMM >> > Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 >> > 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F >> > San Diego, CA 92116 >> > (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 >> > Fax: (619) 282-7872 >> > classicaudiorepair at gmail.com >> > stereo1 at cox.net >> > www.repairaudio.com >> > >> > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 8:02 AM, R Kent wrote: >> >> >> >> Yuri, >> >> Try isolating your Dragon physically from your other gear by 12" or so >> >> and >> >> see if the AC hum goes away.  The Dragon is known to be particularly >> >> susceptible to AC hum.  I had a similar problem a few years ago and was >> >> able >> >> to solve it by re-arranging my stack of gear to separate the Dragon >> >> further >> >> from power supply components in my other components. >> >> Robert Kent >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Yuri Regelman >> >> Subject: [naktalk] humming Dragon >> >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> >> Message-ID: >> >>         >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> >> >> Hello Nak Gurus, >> >> I'm trying to troubleshoot a problem with my Dragon, and I'm hoping to >> >> glimpse some insights from you. >> >> The issue is that it is producing very slight AC noise in playback >> >> mode. >> >> The problem is only noticeable >> >> while playing silent portions of tape at high volumes.   None of my >> >> other >> >> decks CR-7, RX-505 and ZX-7 exhibit any of AC type noise. >> >> So, while I am definitely nit-picking, and the issue is unnoticeable in >> >> normal use, it seems like it should not be there at all in a deck of >> >> this >> >> caliber. >> >> I've looked at the power supply rails on the amp board with a scope and >> >> don't see any AC ripple. The grounding wires seem to be properly >> >> attached, >> >> playback head wiring seems properly routed... nothing too obvious. >> >> >> >> I did stock all the large caps and I'm planning to replace them soon. >> >>  But >> >> before I blindly charge ahead changing electrolytic caps hoping the >> >> issue >> >> would go away, >> >> I'd like to try to find the root cause. >> >> So my question is:  do Dragons have some usual trouble spots that may >> >> result >> >> in AC hum being injected into the playback, and what are good ways to >> >> troubleshoot something like that? >> >> >> >> Any input is highly appreciated. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Yuri >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> >> Maintain your account here: >> >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >> > >> > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From vidguy_me at hotmail.com Tue Jul 5 10:19:54 2011 From: vidguy_me at hotmail.com (vidguy vidguy) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 08:19:54 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Hum In-Reply-To: References: <201103161219.p2GCI33B013663@zxe.naks.com>, <002101cbe3eb$283df580$78b9e080$@net>, , , , Message-ID: I have gone through 3 Dragons. Every single one had an issue with hum. It's been always low, you could not hear it when listening to music, but with headphones, in between songs, you can. This is with the 3 Dragons I have owned, in different locations, both connected, and isolated. (Granted it's slight, but I feel it's endemic to Dragons, as I've yet to hear one, without. (Well, I've only heard 4) I also have a ZX-7 and RX-505, no hum from those. > Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 18:03:22 -0700 > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Hum > From: yregelman at gmail.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > > The hum is always there, irrespective of the location, whether on the > shelf, on the floor or a different room. None of my other decks have > any noticeable hum, so I'm pretty sure it is specific to the dragon. > On a different note, living right underneath Sutro Tower must pose > some interesting challenges to one's HiFi :) > Yuri > > On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 4:47 PM, Willy Hermann > wrote: > > Have you tried moving the deck around physically to see if the hum changes? > > I've had radio frequency interference at such a high level that it induced > > what appeared to be hum in the play head and/or wiring. Moving the deck to > > another shelf solved that problem since it was in a hot RF node That was in > > San Francisco directly underneath Sutro Tower and with a brand new Dragon > > back in the 80's. > > Willy. > > > > On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Yuri Regelman wrote: > >> > >> I've been trying to find the source of this hum for a while. As I've > >> been going through the cap replacements, and various other upgrades I > >> never did find an electrical reason (such as ac ripple in the power > >> supply, or loose ground connection, bad shield, etc. ) Yesterday I > >> finally had a hunch: what if the playback head is legitimately > >> picking up the signal... Sure enough, I took one of those metal > >> shields you find inside a cassette and brought it real close to the > >> front of the playback head, resting it on the pressure pad lifter, and > >> the noise went away.. > >> So it must be EMF induced. To make sure the EMF is not coming from > >> the DD motor I disconnected it from the power supply, but that did not > >> help. > >> Could it be that the power supply transformer is radiating that much > >> EMF that it is reaching the playback head? > >> Yuri > >> > >> So now the question is: what can be generating that much EMF > >> > >> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Fred Longworth > >> wrote: > >> > Tighten all pc-to-chassis grounds. > >> > > >> > Check all the output jacks for weak or open connections on the ground > >> > side. > >> > > >> > Check all voltage regulators with a voltmeter and an oscilloscope. > >> > > >> > Check power supply filter capacitors to see if one or more of them is > >> > beginning to open up -- very common. > >> > > >> > Verify that the shielding on the signal cables from the head assembly is > >> > intact. Do not use a regular ohmmeter for this check. > >> > > >> > Fred > >> > > >> > Fred Longworth MBA, CHMM > >> > Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 > >> > 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F > >> > San Diego, CA 92116 > >> > (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 > >> > Fax: (619) 282-7872 > >> > classicaudiorepair at gmail.com > >> > stereo1 at cox.net > >> > www.repairaudio.com > >> > > >> > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 8:02 AM, R Kent wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Yuri, > >> >> Try isolating your Dragon physically from your other gear by 12" or so > >> >> and > >> >> see if the AC hum goes away. The Dragon is known to be particularly > >> >> susceptible to AC hum. I had a similar problem a few years ago and was > >> >> able > >> >> to solve it by re-arranging my stack of gear to separate the Dragon > >> >> further > >> >> from power supply components in my other components. > >> >> Robert Kent > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> From: Yuri Regelman > >> >> Subject: [naktalk] humming Dragon > >> >> To: naktalk at naks.com > >> >> Message-ID: > >> >> > >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >> >> > >> >> Hello Nak Gurus, > >> >> I'm trying to troubleshoot a problem with my Dragon, and I'm hoping to > >> >> glimpse some insights from you. > >> >> The issue is that it is producing very slight AC noise in playback > >> >> mode. > >> >> The problem is only noticeable > >> >> while playing silent portions of tape at high volumes. None of my > >> >> other > >> >> decks CR-7, RX-505 and ZX-7 exhibit any of AC type noise. > >> >> So, while I am definitely nit-picking, and the issue is unnoticeable in > >> >> normal use, it seems like it should not be there at all in a deck of > >> >> this > >> >> caliber. > >> >> I've looked at the power supply rails on the amp board with a scope and > >> >> don't see any AC ripple. The grounding wires seem to be properly > >> >> attached, > >> >> playback head wiring seems properly routed... nothing too obvious. > >> >> > >> >> I did stock all the large caps and I'm planning to replace them soon. > >> >> But > >> >> before I blindly charge ahead changing electrolytic caps hoping the > >> >> issue > >> >> would go away, > >> >> I'd like to try to find the root cause. > >> >> So my question is: do Dragons have some usual trouble spots that may > >> >> result > >> >> in AC hum being injected into the playback, and what are good ways to > >> >> troubleshoot something like that? > >> >> > >> >> Any input is highly appreciated. > >> >> Cheers, > >> >> Yuri > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > >> >> > >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> >> Maintain your account here: > >> >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> >> > >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > >> > > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > > >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fred at marrscom.com Tue Jul 5 16:40:30 2011 From: fred at marrscom.com (Fred Marrs) Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2011 09:40:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI JULY KIT SALE ! Message-ID: <4E13225E.1060605@marrscom.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yregelman at gmail.com Tue Jul 5 17:17:13 2011 From: yregelman at gmail.com (Yuri Regelman) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 08:17:13 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Hum In-Reply-To: References: <201103161219.p2GCI33B013663@zxe.naks.com> <002101cbe3eb$283df580$78b9e080$@net> Message-ID: That is exactly what I'm seeing ( although I never had a chance to listen to other dragons, besides mine, I was wondering if this is their common trait ), the problem is exactly as you describe, and my other decks that I compared with also happen to be ZX-7 and RX-505 Thank you for the data point! I'm planning to rig a makeshift EMF sensor with a spare playback head hooked into a phono stage and see if I can detect the main source of the signal (I'm guessing the transformer). On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 1:19 AM, vidguy vidguy wrote: > > I have gone through 3 Dragons. > Every single one had an issue with hum. > It's been always low, you could not hear it when listening to music, but > with headphones, in between songs, you can. > This is with the 3 Dragons I have owned, in different locations, both > connected, and isolated. > > (Granted it's slight, but I feel it's endemic to Dragons, as I've yet to > hear one, without. (Well, I've only heard 4) > > I also have a ZX-7 and RX-505, no hum from those. > >> Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 18:03:22 -0700 >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Hum >> From: yregelman at gmail.com >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> >> The hum is always there, irrespective of the location, whether on the >> shelf, on the floor or a different room. None of my other decks have >> any noticeable hum, so I'm pretty sure it is specific to the dragon. >> On a different note, living right underneath Sutro Tower must pose >> some interesting challenges to one's HiFi :) >> Yuri >> >> On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 4:47 PM, Willy Hermann >> wrote: >> > Have you tried moving the deck around physically to see if the hum >> > changes? >> >  I've had radio frequency interference at such a high level that it >> > induced >> > what appeared to be hum in the play head and/or wiring.  Moving the deck >> > to >> > another shelf solved that problem since it was in a hot RF node  That >> > was in >> > San Francisco directly underneath Sutro Tower and with a brand new >> > Dragon >> > back in the 80's. >> > Willy. >> > >> > On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Yuri Regelman >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> I've been trying to find the source of this hum for a while.  As I've >> >> been going through the cap replacements, and various other upgrades I >> >> never did find an electrical reason (such as ac ripple in the power >> >> supply, or loose ground connection, bad shield, etc. )  Yesterday I >> >> finally had a hunch:  what if the playback head is legitimately >> >> picking up the signal...  Sure enough, I took one of those metal >> >> shields you find inside a cassette and brought it real close to the >> >> front of the playback head, resting it on the pressure pad lifter, and >> >> the noise went away.. >> >> So it must be EMF induced.  To make sure the EMF is not coming from >> >> the DD motor I disconnected it from the power supply, but that did not >> >> help. >> >> Could it be that the power supply transformer is radiating that much >> >> EMF that it is reaching the playback head? >> >> Yuri >> >> >> >> So now the question is: what can be generating that much EMF >> >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Fred Longworth >> >> wrote: >> >> > Tighten all pc-to-chassis grounds. >> >> > >> >> > Check all the output jacks for weak or open connections on the ground >> >> > side. >> >> > >> >> > Check all voltage regulators with a voltmeter and an oscilloscope. >> >> > >> >> > Check power supply filter capacitors to see if one or more of them is >> >> > beginning to open up -- very common. >> >> > >> >> > Verify that the shielding on the signal cables from the head assembly >> >> > is >> >> > intact. Do not use a regular ohmmeter for this check. >> >> > >> >> > Fred >> >> > >> >> > Fred Longworth  MBA, CHMM >> >> > Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 >> >> > 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F >> >> > San Diego, CA 92116 >> >> > (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 >> >> > Fax: (619) 282-7872 >> >> > classicaudiorepair at gmail.com >> >> > stereo1 at cox.net >> >> > www.repairaudio.com >> >> > >> >> > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 8:02 AM, R Kent wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Yuri, >> >> >> Try isolating your Dragon physically from your other gear by 12" or >> >> >> so >> >> >> and >> >> >> see if the AC hum goes away.  The Dragon is known to be particularly >> >> >> susceptible to AC hum.  I had a similar problem a few years ago and >> >> >> was >> >> >> able >> >> >> to solve it by re-arranging my stack of gear to separate the Dragon >> >> >> further >> >> >> from power supply components in my other components. >> >> >> Robert Kent >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Yuri Regelman >> >> >> Subject: [naktalk] humming Dragon >> >> >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> >> >> Message-ID: >> >> >> >> >> >>   >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> >> >> >> >> Hello Nak Gurus, >> >> >> I'm trying to troubleshoot a problem with my Dragon, and I'm hoping >> >> >> to >> >> >> glimpse some insights from you. >> >> >> The issue is that it is producing very slight AC noise in playback >> >> >> mode. >> >> >> The problem is only noticeable >> >> >> while playing silent portions of tape at high volumes.   None of my >> >> >> other >> >> >> decks CR-7, RX-505 and ZX-7 exhibit any of AC type noise. >> >> >> So, while I am definitely nit-picking, and the issue is unnoticeable >> >> >> in >> >> >> normal use, it seems like it should not be there at all in a deck of >> >> >> this >> >> >> caliber. >> >> >> I've looked at the power supply rails on the amp board with a scope >> >> >> and >> >> >> don't see any AC ripple. The grounding wires seem to be properly >> >> >> attached, >> >> >> playback head wiring seems properly routed... nothing too obvious. >> >> >> >> >> >> I did stock all the large caps and I'm planning to replace them >> >> >> soon. >> >> >>  But >> >> >> before I blindly charge ahead changing electrolytic caps hoping the >> >> >> issue >> >> >> would go away, >> >> >> I'd like to try to find the root cause. >> >> >> So my question is:  do Dragons have some usual trouble spots that >> >> >> may >> >> >> result >> >> >> in AC hum being injected into the playback, and what are good ways >> >> >> to >> >> >> troubleshoot something like that? >> >> >> >> >> >> Any input is highly appreciated. >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> Yuri >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> >> >> Maintain your account here: >> >> >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> >> > Maintain your account here: >> >> > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> >> Maintain your account here: >> >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >> > >> > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From ct.waveform at googlemail.com Tue Jul 5 19:05:40 2011 From: ct.waveform at googlemail.com (Christian Thomas) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 18:05:40 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] "master fader up" stuck in on position on RX-505 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is OT but I am getting absurd responses from the Naktalk server saying that I am not a member and other things. I also can't get through to Julie Kessler which I have wanted to do for a few days now. At the moment it feels like I may as well be dead for all the response I am getting. Could Willy or someone else please reglee my account so I feel like a human being again. And could I please just make this post available so that Julie knows that I have tried to reply. (Possibly not this time with an offer of marriage, though I have found no reason so far to put me off. The Dragon talk was quite fun - someone said we do end up marrying dragons - which I can't disagree with.) Best wishes CT On 3 July 2011 00:07, MichaelG. wrote: > So I have since learned... > > Willly - you are everywhere! In a separate e-mail I sent you my > information. When I hear back from you I will box and ship the rx-505. It > definitely "groans" a bit when it stops. > > What is your opinion of this model? I've always tended to avoid > complicated things - I've always thought there will just be more things to > go wrong, but it is a nice deck. I'm not sure that it sounds significantly > different from my BX-2 which Nakamichi serviced and then saw little use, but > perhaps that is just because the RX-505 needs to be properly set up, > adjusted, etc. > > thanks again, > > Michael > > On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Willy Hermann < > willy at willyhermannservices.com> wrote: > >> It's not broken. It works only in record mode. Load a tape, press record >> and pause, feed it some source information and set your levels. Then press >> the "Fader Down" button and you'll see the sound decrease to zero and the >> lights change. >> >> Willy >> >> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 11:48 AM, MichaelG. wrote: >> >>> Hi - Can anyone tell me how to fix this? >>> >>> thanks! >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Wed Jul 6 07:42:55 2011 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 22:42:55 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] "master fader up" stuck in on position on RX-505 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: CT, Google tells me that your post is being sent from an unauthenticated gmail account. Whether this is true or not, I don't know, but Google has sent me separate warnings for two of your posts. So, I'm not sure that the problem is with Naktalk per se. You might check into whether your ISP has a problem, or whether your gmail account has been compromised. Best, Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 10:05 AM, Christian Thomas < ct.waveform at googlemail.com> wrote: > This is OT but I am getting absurd responses from the Naktalk server saying > that I am not a member and other things. I also can't get through to Julie > Kessler which I have wanted to do for a few days now. At the moment it > feels like I may as well be dead for all the response I am getting. Could > Willy or someone else please reglee my account so I feel like a human being > again. And could I please just make this post available so that Julie knows > that I have tried to reply. (Possibly not this time with an offer of > marriage, though I have found no reason so far to put me off. The Dragon > talk was quite fun - someone said we do end up marrying dragons - which I > can't disagree with.) > > Best wishes > > CT > > > On 3 July 2011 00:07, MichaelG. wrote: > >> So I have since learned... >> >> Willly - you are everywhere! In a separate e-mail I sent you my >> information. When I hear back from you I will box and ship the rx-505. It >> definitely "groans" a bit when it stops. >> >> What is your opinion of this model? I've always tended to avoid >> complicated things - I've always thought there will just be more things to >> go wrong, but it is a nice deck. I'm not sure that it sounds significantly >> different from my BX-2 which Nakamichi serviced and then saw little use, but >> perhaps that is just because the RX-505 needs to be properly set up, >> adjusted, etc. >> >> thanks again, >> >> Michael >> >> On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Willy Hermann < >> willy at willyhermannservices.com> wrote: >> >>> It's not broken. It works only in record mode. Load a tape, press >>> record and pause, feed it some source information and set your levels. Then >>> press the "Fader Down" button and you'll see the sound decrease to zero and >>> the lights change. >>> >>> Willy >>> >>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 11:48 AM, MichaelG. wrote: >>> >>>> Hi - Can anyone tell me how to fix this? >>>> >>>> thanks! >>>> >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: >>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From josephjean at verizon.net Tue Jul 5 22:27:19 2011 From: josephjean at verizon.net (goodguy) Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2011 16:27:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Hum In-Reply-To: References: <201103161219.p2GCI33B013663@zxe.naks.com> <002101cbe3eb$283df580$78b9e080$@net> Message-ID: <0LNV00JLBNHIHR00@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> I've had my Dragon for five years and no hum. Wonderful music yes, no hum on any account. At 11:17 AM 7/5/2011, you wrote: >That is exactly what I'm seeing ( although I never had a chance to >listen to other dragons, besides mine, I was wondering if this is >their common trait ), the problem is exactly as you describe, and my >other decks that I compared with also happen to be ZX-7 and RX-505 >Thank you for the data point! I'm planning to rig a makeshift EMF >sensor with a spare playback head hooked into a phono stage and see if >I can detect the main source of the signal (I'm guessing the >transformer). > > >On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 1:19 AM, vidguy vidguy wrote: > > > > I have gone through 3 Dragons. > > Every single one had an issue with hum. > > It's been always low, you could not hear it when listening to music, but > > with headphones, in between songs, you can. > > This is with the 3 Dragons I have owned, in different locations, both > > connected, and isolated. > > > > (Granted it's slight, but I feel it's endemic to Dragons, as I've yet to > > hear one, without. (Well, I've only heard 4) > > > > I also have a ZX-7 and RX-505, no hum from those. > > > >> Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 18:03:22 -0700 > >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Hum > >> From: yregelman at gmail.com > >> To: naktalk at naks.com > >> > >> The hum is always there, irrespective of the location, whether on the > >> shelf, on the floor or a different room. None of my other decks have > >> any noticeable hum, so I'm pretty sure it is specific to the dragon. > >> On a different note, living right underneath Sutro Tower must pose > >> some interesting challenges to one's HiFi :) > >> Yuri > >> > >> On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 4:47 PM, Willy Hermann > >> wrote: > >> > Have you tried moving the deck around physically to see if the hum > >> > changes? > >> > I've had radio frequency interference at such a high level that it > >> > induced > >> > what appeared to be hum in the play head and/or wiring. Moving the deck > >> > to > >> > another shelf solved that problem since it was in a hot RF node That > >> > was in > >> > San Francisco directly underneath Sutro Tower and with a brand new > >> > Dragon > >> > back in the 80's. > >> > Willy. > >> > > >> > On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Yuri Regelman > >> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> I've been trying to find the source of this hum for a while. As I've > >> >> been going through the cap replacements, and various other upgrades I > >> >> never did find an electrical reason (such as ac ripple in the power > >> >> supply, or loose ground connection, bad shield, etc. ) Yesterday I > >> >> finally had a hunch: what if the playback head is legitimately > >> >> picking up the signal... Sure enough, I took one of those metal > >> >> shields you find inside a cassette and brought it real close to the > >> >> front of the playback head, resting it on the pressure pad lifter, and > >> >> the noise went away.. > >> >> So it must be EMF induced. To make sure the EMF is not coming from > >> >> the DD motor I disconnected it from the power supply, but that did not > >> >> help. > >> >> Could it be that the power supply transformer is radiating that much > >> >> EMF that it is reaching the playback head? > >> >> Yuri > >> >> > >> >> So now the question is: what can be generating that much EMF > >> >> > >> >> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Fred Longworth > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > Tighten all pc-to-chassis grounds. > >> >> > > >> >> > Check all the output jacks for weak or open connections on the ground > >> >> > side. > >> >> > > >> >> > Check all voltage regulators with a voltmeter and an oscilloscope. > >> >> > > >> >> > Check power supply filter capacitors to see if one or more of them is > >> >> > beginning to open up -- very common. > >> >> > > >> >> > Verify that the shielding on the signal cables from the head assembly > >> >> > is > >> >> > intact. Do not use a regular ohmmeter for this check. > >> >> > > >> >> > Fred > >> >> > > >> >> > Fred Longworth MBA, CHMM > >> >> > Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 > >> >> > 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F > >> >> > San Diego, CA 92116 > >> >> > (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 > >> >> > Fax: (619) 282-7872 > >> >> > classicaudiorepair at gmail.com > >> >> > stereo1 at cox.net > >> >> > www.repairaudio.com > >> >> > > >> >> > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 8:02 AM, R Kent wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Yuri, > >> >> >> Try isolating your Dragon physically from your other gear by 12" or > >> >> >> so > >> >> >> and > >> >> >> see if the AC hum goes away. The Dragon is known to be particularly > >> >> >> susceptible to AC hum. I had a similar problem a few years ago and > >> >> >> was > >> >> >> able > >> >> >> to solve it by re-arranging my stack of gear to separate the Dragon > >> >> >> further > >> >> >> from power supply components in my other components. > >> >> >> Robert Kent > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> From: Yuri Regelman > >> >> >> Subject: [naktalk] humming Dragon > >> >> >> To: naktalk at naks.com > >> >> >> Message-ID: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Hello Nak Gurus, > >> >> >> I'm trying to troubleshoot a problem with my Dragon, and I'm hoping > >> >> >> to > >> >> >> glimpse some insights from you. > >> >> >> The issue is that it is producing very slight AC noise in playback > >> >> >> mode. > >> >> >> The problem is only noticeable > >> >> >> while playing silent portions of tape at high volumes. None of my > >> >> >> other > >> >> >> decks CR-7, RX-505 and ZX-7 exhibit any of AC type noise. > >> >> >> So, while I am definitely nit-picking, and the issue is unnoticeable > >> >> >> in > >> >> >> normal use, it seems like it should not be there at all in a deck of > >> >> >> this > >> >> >> caliber. > >> >> >> I've looked at the power supply rails on the amp board with a scope > >> >> >> and > >> >> >> don't see any AC ripple. The grounding wires seem to be properly > >> >> >> attached, > >> >> >> playback head wiring seems properly routed... nothing too obvious. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> I did stock all the large caps and I'm planning to replace them > >> >> >> soon. > >> >> >> But > >> >> >> before I blindly charge ahead changing electrolytic caps hoping the > >> >> >> issue > >> >> >> would go away, > >> >> >> I'd like to try to find the root cause. > >> >> >> So my question is: do Dragons have some usual trouble spots that > >> >> >> may > >> >> >> result > >> >> >> in AC hum being injected into the playback, and what are good ways > >> >> >> to > >> >> >> troubleshoot something like that? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Any input is highly appreciated. > >> >> >> Cheers, > >> >> >> Yuri > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> >> >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> >> >> Maintain your account here: > >> >> >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> >> > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> >> > Maintain your account here: > >> >> > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > >> >> > >> >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> >> Maintain your account here: > >> >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> >> > >> >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > >> > > >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > > >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > > >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland When momentum meets resistance, push harder. From fred at marrscom.com Wed Jul 6 13:04:58 2011 From: fred at marrscom.com (Fred Marrs) Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2011 06:04:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI JULY KIT SALE ! Message-ID: <4E14415A.4050500@marrscom.com> 7-5-11 Hello Members, Through July 31st. Nakamichi 80034-D5 Belt Kit, Special Pricing Regular Price $29.95. SALE through July 31st. $25.00 each. Receive the D5 Factory Kit, for a Premium Kit Price ! Models Included : BX-1, BX-2, BX-100, BX-125, BX-150, CR-1A, CR-2A, DR-3A, DR-8A, MR-2, Cassette Deck 2.0, RX-202. Orders must be emailed to: nakamichi at marrscom.com ! Include your PayPal email address for invoicing. Thanks to everyone. Fred M. From ronami at yahoo.com Wed Jul 6 15:35:49 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 06:35:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] "master fader up" stuck in on position on RX-505 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1309959349.28222.YahooMailClassic@web130106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> With regard to NakTalk technical problems you may wish to contact Wouter (wheijke at xs4all.nl), the list \ owner. He was helpful when I had similar problems. -- Ron --- On Wed, 7/6/11, Fred Longworth wrote: From: Fred Longworth Subject: Re: [naktalk] "master fader up" stuck in on position on RX-505 To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, July 6, 2011, 1:42 AM CT, Google tells me that your post is being sent from an unauthenticated gmail account. Whether this is true or not, I don't know, but Google has sent me separate warnings for two of your posts. So, I'm not sure that the problem is with Naktalk per se. You might check into whether your ISP has a problem, or whether your gmail account has been compromised. Best, Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 10:05 AM, Christian Thomas wrote: This is OT but I am getting absurd responses from the Naktalk server saying that I am not a member and other things.  I also can't get through to Julie Kessler which I have wanted to do for a few days now.  At the moment it feels like I may as well be dead for all the response I am getting.  Could Willy or someone else please reglee my account so I feel like a human being again.  And could I please just make this post available so that Julie knows that I have tried to reply.  (Possibly not this time with an offer of marriage, though I have found no reason so far to put me off.  The Dragon talk was quite fun - someone said we do end up marrying dragons - which I can't disagree with.) Best wishes CT On 3 July 2011 00:07, MichaelG. wrote: So I have since learned...   Willly - you are everywhere!  In a separate e-mail I sent you my information.  When I hear back from you I will box and ship the rx-505.  It definitely "groans" a bit when it stops.   What is your opinion of this model?  I've always tended to avoid complicated things - I've always thought there will just be more things to go wrong, but it is a nice deck.  I'm not sure that it sounds significantly different from my BX-2 which Nakamichi serviced and then saw little use, but perhaps that is just because the RX-505 needs to be properly set up, adjusted, etc.   thanks again,   Michael On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Willy Hermann wrote: It's not broken.  It works only in record mode.  Load a tape, press record and pause, feed it some source information and set your levels.  Then press the "Fader Down" button and you'll see the sound decrease to zero and the lights change. 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URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Wed Jul 6 15:45:13 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 06:45:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Hum In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1309959913.35513.YahooMailClassic@web130106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Could it be that the power supply transformer is radiating > that much EMF that it is reaching the playback head? Possible, but doubtful. Two things I would check are the the line filtering cap. and the PB head grounding/mounting. -- Ron --- On Mon, 7/4/11, Yuri Regelman wrote: > From: Yuri Regelman > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Hum > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Monday, July 4, 2011, 5:43 PM > I've been trying to find the source > of this hum for a while.  As I've > been going through the cap replacements, and various other > upgrades I > never did find an electrical reason (such as ac ripple in > the power > supply, or loose ground connection, bad shield, etc. > )  Yesterday I > finally had a hunch:  what if the playback head is > legitimately > picking up the signal...  Sure enough, I took one of > those metal > shields you find inside a cassette and brought it real > close to the > front of the playback head, resting it on the pressure pad > lifter, and > the noise went away.. > So it must be EMF induced.  To make sure the EMF is > not coming from > the DD motor I disconnected it from the power supply, but > that did not > help. > Could it be that the power supply transformer is radiating > that much > EMF that it is reaching the playback head? > Yuri > > So now the question is: what can be generating that much > EMF > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Fred Longworth > > wrote: > > Tighten all pc-to-chassis grounds. > > > > Check all the output jacks for weak or open > connections on the ground side. > > > > Check all voltage regulators with a voltmeter and an > oscilloscope. > > > > Check power supply filter capacitors to see if one or > more of them is > > beginning to open up -- very common. > > > > Verify that the shielding on the signal cables from > the head assembly is > > intact. Do not use a regular ohmmeter for this check. > > > > Fred > > > > Fred Longworth  MBA, CHMM > > Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 > > 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F > > San Diego, CA 92116 > > (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 > > Fax: (619) 282-7872 > > classicaudiorepair at gmail.com > > stereo1 at cox.net > > www.repairaudio.com > > > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 8:02 AM, R Kent > wrote: > >> > >> Yuri, > >> Try isolating your Dragon physically from your > other gear by 12" or so and > >> see if the AC hum goes away.  The Dragon is known > to be particularly > >> susceptible to AC hum.  I had a similar problem a > few years ago and was > >> able > >> to solve it by re-arranging my stack of gear to > separate the Dragon > >> further > >> from power supply components in my other > components. > >> Robert Kent > >> > >> > >> From: Yuri Regelman > >> Subject: [naktalk] humming Dragon > >> To: naktalk at naks.com > >> Message-ID: > >>         > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >> > >> Hello Nak Gurus, > >> I'm trying to troubleshoot a problem with my > Dragon, and I'm hoping to > >> glimpse some insights from you. > >> The issue is that it is producing very slight AC > noise in playback mode. > >> The problem is only noticeable > >> while playing silent portions of tape at high > volumes.   None of my other > >> decks CR-7, RX-505 and ZX-7 exhibit any of AC type > noise. > >> So, while I am definitely nit-picking, and the > issue is unnoticeable in > >> normal use, it seems like it should not be there > at all in a deck of this > >> caliber. > >> I've looked at the power supply rails on the amp > board with a scope and > >> don't see any AC ripple. The grounding wires seem > to be properly attached, > >> playback head wiring seems properly routed... > nothing too obvious. > >> > >> I did stock all the large caps and I'm planning to > replace them soon.  But > >> before I blindly charge ahead changing > electrolytic caps hoping the issue > >> would go away, > >> I'd like to try to find the root cause. > >> So my question is:  do Dragons have some usual > trouble spots that may > >> result > >> in AC hum being injected into the playback, and > what are good ways to > >> troubleshoot something like that? > >> > >> Any input is highly appreciated. > >> Cheers, > >> Yuri > >> > >> > >> > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>                        Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >                        Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >           Also check out the wiki! > http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                 >         Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From wnn523484 at telfort.nl Mon Jul 4 13:10:14 2011 From: wnn523484 at telfort.nl (ScHenk) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 13:10:14 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 1000&1000II In-Reply-To: <201107041026.p64A88UF009510@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <4E0960D600002F41@mta-nl-1.mail.tiscali.sys> Hi Gerhard, The Tri Tracer series II was changed in several areas. Heads and calibration was most obvious. The meter range was indeed different and suggests of the improved head room for series II. I would think this will apply to recording on tapes mostly, as during that time the tape technology was improving fast. Play back might not be all that different between series 1 and series 2. Happy listening, Henk Schenk www.nakamichi-schenk.nl (currently having problems) >Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 19:44:52 +0200 >From: Gerhard Wartha >Subject: [naktalk] 1000&1000II > >Hi listeners, > > >Does somebody know ? Is the 1000II much better than the first 3 >head Deck 1000 ? > >The 1000II peek level meter goes until 10db , the 1000 meter goes to >5db.' > > >Does it mean the 1000II can handle to maximum recorded cassettes >more easy.? > >Does it make a big difference in play back this cassette, who are >recorded until 0db to 8 db. > >Was is changed with the Naka 1000II because the tapes did changed in >the 1970?s that much, and did > >record much more Gauss like in the early 1970?s ? > >regards > >Gerhard > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 19:07:51 -0400 >From: "MichaelG." >Subject: Re: [naktalk] "master fader up" stuck in on position on > RX-505 >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Message-ID: > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >So I have since learned... > >Willly - you are everywhere! In a separate e-mail I sent you my >information. When I hear back from you I will box and ship the rx-505. >It >definitely "groans" a bit when it stops. > >What is your opinion of this model? I've always tended to avoid complicated >things - I've always thought there will just be more things to go wrong, >but >it is a nice deck. I'm not sure that it sounds significantly different from >my BX-2 which Nakamichi serviced and then saw little use, but perhaps that >is just because the RX-505 needs to be properly set up, adjusted, etc. > >thanks again, > >Michael > >On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Willy Hermann < >willy at willyhermannservices.com> wrote: > >> It's not broken. It works only in record mode. Load a tape, press record >> and pause, feed it some source information and set your levels. Then press >> the "Fader Down" button and you'll see the sound decrease to zero and the >> lights change. >> >> Willy >> >> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 11:48 AM, MichaelG. wrote: >> >>> Hi - Can anyone tell me how to fix this? >>> >>> thanks! >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20110702/7281a335/attachment-0001.html > >------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 101, Issue 4 >*************************************** From jeff at eslabs.com Wed Jul 6 18:46:30 2011 From: jeff at eslabs.com (jeff at eslabs.com) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 12:46:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Hum References: <1309959913.35513.YahooMailClassic@web130106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Ron, Yuri Fred, Robert and the other Naktalkers, Many different Nakamichi models, especially the 220/240 volt units, Dragons, 1000ZXL and the 480 series have this hum issue caused by the power transformer's electromagnetic field radiating into the playback head. It's easily resolved by adding a magnetic shield around the power transformer. This has been our standard modification procedure since these machines were new. Some of the newer Nakamichi transformers came with the shield already attached to it. Jeff Galin "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS 1807 Berlin Turnpike Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA By Appointment M-F 9AM to 5PM EST Telephone 860-529-3700 jeff at nakamichi.us jeff at eslabs.com www.nakamichi.us ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Hum > Could it be that the power supply transformer is radiating > that much EMF that it is reaching the playback head? Possible, but doubtful. Two things I would check are the the line filtering cap. and the PB head grounding/mounting. -- Ron --- On Mon, 7/4/11, Yuri Regelman wrote: > From: Yuri Regelman > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Hum > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Monday, July 4, 2011, 5:43 PM > I've been trying to find the source > of this hum for a while. As I've > been going through the cap replacements, and various other > upgrades I > never did find an electrical reason (such as ac ripple in > the power > supply, or loose ground connection, bad shield, etc. > ) Yesterday I > finally had a hunch: what if the playback head is > legitimately > picking up the signal... Sure enough, I took one of > those metal > shields you find inside a cassette and brought it real > close to the > front of the playback head, resting it on the pressure pad > lifter, and > the noise went away.. > So it must be EMF induced. To make sure the EMF is > not coming from > the DD motor I disconnected it from the power supply, but > that did not > help. > Could it be that the power supply transformer is radiating > that much > EMF that it is reaching the playback head? > Yuri > > So now the question is: what can be generating that much > EMF > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Fred Longworth > > wrote: > > Tighten all pc-to-chassis grounds. > > > > Check all the output jacks for weak or open > connections on the ground side. > > > > Check all voltage regulators with a voltmeter and an > oscilloscope. > > > > Check power supply filter capacitors to see if one or > more of them is > > beginning to open up -- very common. > > > > Verify that the shielding on the signal cables from > the head assembly is > > intact. Do not use a regular ohmmeter for this check. > > > > Fred > > > > Fred Longworth MBA, CHMM > > Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 > > 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F > > San Diego, CA 92116 > > (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 > > Fax: (619) 282-7872 > > classicaudiorepair at gmail.com > > stereo1 at cox.net > > www.repairaudio.com > > > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 8:02 AM, R Kent > wrote: > >> > >> Yuri, > >> Try isolating your Dragon physically from your > other gear by 12" or so and > >> see if the AC hum goes away. The Dragon is known > to be particularly > >> susceptible to AC hum. I had a similar problem a > few years ago and was > >> able > >> to solve it by re-arranging my stack of gear to > separate the Dragon > >> further > >> from power supply components in my other > components. > >> Robert Kent > >> > >> > >> From: Yuri Regelman > >> Subject: [naktalk] humming Dragon > >> To: naktalk at naks.com > >> Message-ID: > >> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >> > >> Hello Nak Gurus, > >> I'm trying to troubleshoot a problem with my > Dragon, and I'm hoping to > >> glimpse some insights from you. > >> The issue is that it is producing very slight AC > noise in playback mode. > >> The problem is only noticeable > >> while playing silent portions of tape at high > volumes. None of my other > >> decks CR-7, RX-505 and ZX-7 exhibit any of AC type > noise. > >> So, while I am definitely nit-picking, and the > issue is unnoticeable in > >> normal use, it seems like it should not be there > at all in a deck of this > >> caliber. > >> I've looked at the power supply rails on the amp > board with a scope and > >> don't see any AC ripple. The grounding wires seem > to be properly attached, > >> playback head wiring seems properly routed... > nothing too obvious. > >> > >> I did stock all the large caps and I'm planning to > replace them soon. But > >> before I blindly charge ahead changing > electrolytic caps hoping the issue > >> would go away, > >> I'd like to try to find the root cause. > >> So my question is: do Dragons have some usual > trouble spots that may > >> result > >> in AC hum being injected into the playback, and > what are good ways to > >> troubleshoot something like that? > >> > >> Any input is highly appreciated. > >> Cheers, > >> Yuri -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pbtanner at hotmail.com Wed Jul 6 18:20:21 2011 From: pbtanner at hotmail.com (Peter Tanner) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 16:20:21 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 581 Message-ID: Hi everybody, I have a 581 that works well but it doesn't erase some tapes entirely. It records and calibrates well though. The two orange caps, C317 and 318 have been changed. I've also noticed that on the other board a big resistor R 407 and Q420, a large NEC transistor, are very hot. The transistor cannot be touched. Only in playback or record. In stop, fast forward and rewind they cool off. I wonder if it's normal. The deck functions well otherwise except the erase problem. The local technician could not solve the issue. Thanks in advance if anyone has an answer Peter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yregelman at gmail.com Wed Jul 6 20:01:13 2011 From: yregelman at gmail.com (Yuri Regelman) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 11:01:13 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Hum In-Reply-To: References: <1309959913.35513.YahooMailClassic@web130106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jeff, Thank you for confirming this!!! This was my lead theory after chasing my tail for quite some time. I already have a couple of sheets of mu-metal shielding on order. Sounds like that should take care of the problem. I did not quite want to believe that with all the perfectionism in Nakamichi's design they'll let something trivial like that affect their flagship decks... Yuri On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 9:46 AM, wrote: > Hi Ron, Yuri Fred, Robert and the other Naktalkers, > > Many different Nakamichi models, especially the 220/240 volt units, Dragons, > 1000ZXL and the 480 series have this hum issue caused by the power > transformer's electromagnetic field radiating into the playback head.  It's > easily resolved by adding a magnetic shield around the power transformer. > This has been our standard modification procedure since these machines were > new.  Some of the newer Nakamichi transformers came with the shield already > attached to it. > > > Jeff Galin > > "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! > ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS > 1807 Berlin Turnpike > Wethersfield, Connecticut  06109  USA > By Appointment M-F 9AM to 5PM EST > Telephone 860-529-3700 >  jeff at nakamichi.us    jeff at eslabs.com >                  www.nakamichi.us > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ron > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 9:45 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Hum > >> Could it be that the power supply transformer is radiating >> that much EMF that it is reaching the playback head? > > Possible, but doubtful. Two things I would > check are the the line filtering cap. and > the PB head grounding/mounting. > > -- Ron > > > > --- On Mon, 7/4/11, Yuri Regelman wrote: > >> From: Yuri Regelman >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Hum >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> Date: Monday, July 4, 2011, 5:43 PM >> I've been trying to find the source >> of this hum for a while. As I've >> been going through the cap replacements, and various other >> upgrades I >> never did find an electrical reason (such as ac ripple in >> the power >> supply, or loose ground connection, bad shield, etc. >> ) Yesterday I >> finally had a hunch: what if the playback head is >> legitimately >> picking up the signal... Sure enough, I took one of >> those metal >> shields you find inside a cassette and brought it real >> close to the >> front of the playback head, resting it on the pressure pad >> lifter, and >> the noise went away.. >> So it must be EMF induced. To make sure the EMF is >> not coming from >> the DD motor I disconnected it from the power supply, but >> that did not >> help. >> Could it be that the power supply transformer is radiating >> that much >> EMF that it is reaching the playback head? >> Yuri >> >> So now the question is: what can be generating that much >> EMF >> >> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Fred Longworth >> >> wrote: >> > Tighten all pc-to-chassis grounds. >> > >> > Check all the output jacks for weak or open >> connections on the ground side. >> > >> > Check all voltage regulators with a voltmeter and an >> oscilloscope. >> > >> > Check power supply filter capacitors to see if one or >> more of them is >> > beginning to open up -- very common. >> > >> > Verify that the shielding on the signal cables from >> the head assembly is >> > intact. Do not use a regular ohmmeter for this check. >> > >> > Fred >> > >> > Fred Longworth MBA, CHMM >> > Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 >> > 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F >> > San Diego, CA 92116 >> > (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 >> > Fax: (619) 282-7872 >> > classicaudiorepair at gmail.com >> > stereo1 at cox.net >> > www.repairaudio.com >> > >> > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 8:02 AM, R Kent >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Yuri, >> >> Try isolating your Dragon physically from your >> other gear by 12" or so and >> >> see if the AC hum goes away. The Dragon is known >> to be particularly >> >> susceptible to AC hum. I had a similar problem a >> few years ago and was >> >> able >> >> to solve it by re-arranging my stack of gear to >> separate the Dragon >> >> further >> >> from power supply components in my other >> components. >> >> Robert Kent >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Yuri Regelman >> >> Subject: [naktalk] humming Dragon >> >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> >> Message-ID: >> >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> >> >> Hello Nak Gurus, >> >> I'm trying to troubleshoot a problem with my >> Dragon, and I'm hoping to >> >> glimpse some insights from you. >> >> The issue is that it is producing very slight AC >> noise in playback mode. >> >> The problem is only noticeable >> >> while playing silent portions of tape at high >> volumes. None of my other >> >> decks CR-7, RX-505 and ZX-7 exhibit any of AC type >> noise. >> >> So, while I am definitely nit-picking, and the >> issue is unnoticeable in >> >> normal use, it seems like it should not be there >> at all in a deck of this >> >> caliber. >> >> I've looked at the power supply rails on the amp >> board with a scope and >> >> don't see any AC ripple. The grounding wires seem >> to be properly attached, >> >> playback head wiring seems properly routed... >> nothing too obvious. >> >> >> >> I did stock all the large caps and I'm planning to >> replace them soon. But >> >> before I blindly charge ahead changing >> electrolytic caps hoping the issue >> >> would go away, >> >> I'd like to try to find the root cause. >> >> So my question is: do Dragons have some usual >> trouble spots that may >> >> result >> >> in AC hum being injected into the playback, and >> what are good ways to >> >> troubleshoot something like that? >> >> >> >> Any input is highly appreciated. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Yuri > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From vidguy_me at hotmail.com Wed Jul 6 20:02:48 2011 From: vidguy_me at hotmail.com (vidguy vidguy) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 18:02:48 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Hum In-Reply-To: References: <1309959913.35513.YahooMailClassic@web130106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, Message-ID: Jeff, Thanks for that info. I did notice that I was able to reduce hum by placing a sheet of material similar to mu-metal on top. I'm going to purchase some more and make a "cage" for the transformer. Nice to know I'm not crazy and hearing things. From: jeff at eslabs.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Hum Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 12:46:30 -0400 Hi Ron, Yuri Fred, Robert and the other Naktalkers, Many different Nakamichi models, especially the 220/240 volt units, Dragons, 1000ZXL and the 480 series have this hum issue caused by the power transformer's electromagnetic field radiating into the playback head. It's easily resolved by adding a magnetic shield around the power transformer. This has been our standard modification procedure since these machines were new. Some of the newer Nakamichi transformers came with the shield already attached to it. Jeff Galin "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS 1807 Berlin Turnpike Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA By Appointment M-F 9AM to 5PM EST Telephone 860-529-3700 jeff at nakamichi.us jeff at eslabs.com www.nakamichi.us ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Hum > Could it be that the power supply transformer is radiating > that much EMF that it is reaching the playback head? Possible, but doubtful. Two things I would check are the the line filtering cap. and the PB head grounding/mounting. -- Ron --- On Mon, 7/4/11, Yuri Regelman wrote: > From: Yuri Regelman > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Hum > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Monday, July 4, 2011, 5:43 PM > I've been trying to find the source > of this hum for a while. As I've > been going through the cap replacements, and various other > upgrades I > never did find an electrical reason (such as ac ripple in > the power > supply, or loose ground connection, bad shield, etc. > ) Yesterday I > finally had a hunch: what if the playback head is > legitimately > picking up the signal... Sure enough, I took one of > those metal > shields you find inside a cassette and brought it real > close to the > front of the playback head, resting it on the pressure pad > lifter, and > the noise went away.. > So it must be EMF induced. To make sure the EMF is > not coming from > the DD motor I disconnected it from the power supply, but > that did not > help. > Could it be that the power supply transformer is radiating > that much > EMF that it is reaching the playback head? > Yuri > > So now the question is: what can be generating that much > EMF > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Fred Longworth > > wrote: > > Tighten all pc-to-chassis grounds. > > > > Check all the output jacks for weak or open > connections on the ground side. > > > > Check all voltage regulators with a voltmeter and an > oscilloscope. > > > > Check power supply filter capacitors to see if one or > more of them is > > beginning to open up -- very common. > > > > Verify that the shielding on the signal cables from > the head assembly is > > intact. Do not use a regular ohmmeter for this check. > > > > Fred > > > > Fred Longworth MBA, CHMM > > Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 > > 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F > > San Diego, CA 92116 > > (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 > > Fax: (619) 282-7872 > > classicaudiorepair at gmail.com > > stereo1 at cox.net > > www.repairaudio.com > > > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 8:02 AM, R Kent > wrote: > >> > >> Yuri, > >> Try isolating your Dragon physically from your > other gear by 12" or so and > >> see if the AC hum goes away. The Dragon is known > to be particularly > >> susceptible to AC hum. I had a similar problem a > few years ago and was > >> able > >> to solve it by re-arranging my stack of gear to > separate the Dragon > >> further > >> from power supply components in my other > components. > >> Robert Kent > >> > >> > >> From: Yuri Regelman > >> Subject: [naktalk] humming Dragon > >> To: naktalk at naks.com > >> Message-ID: > >> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >> > >> Hello Nak Gurus, > >> I'm trying to troubleshoot a problem with my > Dragon, and I'm hoping to > >> glimpse some insights from you. > >> The issue is that it is producing very slight AC > noise in playback mode. > >> The problem is only noticeable > >> while playing silent portions of tape at high > volumes. None of my other > >> decks CR-7, RX-505 and ZX-7 exhibit any of AC type > noise. > >> So, while I am definitely nit-picking, and the > issue is unnoticeable in > >> normal use, it seems like it should not be there > at all in a deck of this > >> caliber. > >> I've looked at the power supply rails on the amp > board with a scope and > >> don't see any AC ripple. The grounding wires seem > to be properly attached, > >> playback head wiring seems properly routed... > nothing too obvious. > >> > >> I did stock all the large caps and I'm planning to > replace them soon. But > >> before I blindly charge ahead changing > electrolytic caps hoping the issue > >> would go away, > >> I'd like to try to find the root cause. > >> So my question is: do Dragons have some usual > trouble spots that may > >> result > >> in AC hum being injected into the playback, and > what are good ways to > >> troubleshoot something like that? > >> > >> Any input is highly appreciated. > >> Cheers, > >> Yuri ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Wed Jul 6 22:07:19 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 10:07:19 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] 581 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Peter, If the tape guides are not properly aligned it will affect erasure since the erase head won't be properly aligned with the tape. If you have never adjusted the tapes guides then that probably is not the problem--with a big exception. On my old 581 it was the left tape guide that started my ordeal. The tape guide metal stud is supposed to have a tight press-fit into the plastic standoff. When they get old the metal stud can start slipping within the plastic part. When that happens it will mess up the tape guide alignment. If that tape guide asembly is slipping it will need to be repaired or replaced and then the guides need to be properly aligned. Also, if the record and playback heads are not properly adjusted the deck might be recording/playing outside of the intended track. If that is the case then the erase head may not completely erase everything. Don't know about the heat issues. Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Peter Tanner Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 6:20 AM To: naktalk naktalk Subject: [naktalk] 581 Hi everybody, I have a 581 that works well but it doesn't erase some tapes entirely. It records and calibrates well though. The two orange caps, C317 and 318 have been changed. I've also noticed that on the other board a big resistor R 407 and Q420, a large NEC transistor, are very hot. The transistor cannot be touched. Only in playback or record. In stop, fast forward and rewind they cool off. I wonder if it's normal. The deck functions well otherwise except the erase problem. The local technician could not solve the issue. Thanks in advance if anyone has an answer Peter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Wed Jul 6 23:42:35 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 14:42:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Hum In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1309988555.10190.YahooMailClassic@web130115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> One you install the mu-metal shield, please post your results. TIA, -- Ron --- On Wed, 7/6/11, Yuri Regelman wrote: > From: Yuri Regelman > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Hum > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Wednesday, July 6, 2011, 2:01 PM > Jeff, > Thank you for confirming this!!!  This was my lead > theory after > chasing my tail for quite some time. > I already have a couple of sheets of mu-metal shielding on > order. > Sounds like that should take care of the problem. > I did not quite want to believe that with all the > perfectionism in > Nakamichi's design they'll let something trivial like that > affect their flagship decks... > Yuri > > On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 9:46 AM,  > wrote: > > Hi Ron, Yuri Fred, Robert and the other Naktalkers, > > > > Many different Nakamichi models, especially the > 220/240 volt units, Dragons, > > 1000ZXL and the 480 series have this hum issue caused > by the power > > transformer's electromagnetic field radiating into the > playback head.  It's > > easily resolved by adding a magnetic shield around > the power transformer. > > This has been our standard modification procedure > since these machines were > > new.  Some of the newer Nakamichi transformers came > with the shield already > > attached to it. > > > > > > Jeff Galin > > > > "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! > > ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS > > 1807 Berlin Turnpike > > Wethersfield, Connecticut  06109  USA > > By Appointment M-F 9AM to 5PM EST > > Telephone 860-529-3700 > >  jeff at nakamichi.us    > jeff at eslabs.com > >                  www.nakamichi.us > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Ron > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 9:45 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Hum > > > >> Could it be that the power supply transformer is > radiating > >> that much EMF that it is reaching the playback > head? > > > > Possible, but doubtful. Two things I would > > check are the the line filtering cap. and > > the PB head grounding/mounting. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 7/4/11, Yuri Regelman > wrote: > > > >> From: Yuri Regelman > >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Hum > >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >> Date: Monday, July 4, 2011, 5:43 PM > >> I've been trying to find the source > >> of this hum for a while. As I've > >> been going through the cap replacements, and > various other > >> upgrades I > >> never did find an electrical reason (such as ac > ripple in > >> the power > >> supply, or loose ground connection, bad shield, > etc. > >> ) Yesterday I > >> finally had a hunch: what if the playback head is > >> legitimately > >> picking up the signal... Sure enough, I took one > of > >> those metal > >> shields you find inside a cassette and brought it > real > >> close to the > >> front of the playback head, resting it on the > pressure pad > >> lifter, and > >> the noise went away.. > >> So it must be EMF induced. To make sure the EMF > is > >> not coming from > >> the DD motor I disconnected it from the power > supply, but > >> that did not > >> help. > >> Could it be that the power supply transformer is > radiating > >> that much > >> EMF that it is reaching the playback head? > >> Yuri > >> > >> So now the question is: what can be generating > that much > >> EMF > >> > >> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Fred Longworth > >> > >> wrote: > >> > Tighten all pc-to-chassis grounds. > >> > > >> > Check all the output jacks for weak or open > >> connections on the ground side. > >> > > >> > Check all voltage regulators with a voltmeter > and an > >> oscilloscope. > >> > > >> > Check power supply filter capacitors to see > if one or > >> more of them is > >> > beginning to open up -- very common. > >> > > >> > Verify that the shielding on the signal > cables from > >> the head assembly is > >> > intact. Do not use a regular ohmmeter for > this check. > >> > > >> > Fred > >> > > >> > Fred Longworth MBA, CHMM > >> > Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 > >> > 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F > >> > San Diego, CA 92116 > >> > (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 > >> > Fax: (619) 282-7872 > >> > classicaudiorepair at gmail.com > >> > stereo1 at cox.net > >> > www.repairaudio.com > >> > > >> > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 8:02 AM, R Kent > > >> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Yuri, > >> >> Try isolating your Dragon physically from > your > >> other gear by 12" or so and > >> >> see if the AC hum goes away. The Dragon > is known > >> to be particularly > >> >> susceptible to AC hum. I had a similar > problem a > >> few years ago and was > >> >> able > >> >> to solve it by re-arranging my stack of > gear to > >> separate the Dragon > >> >> further > >> >> from power supply components in my other > >> components. > >> >> Robert Kent > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> From: Yuri Regelman > >> >> Subject: [naktalk] humming Dragon > >> >> To: naktalk at naks.com > >> >> Message-ID: > >> >> > >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > >> >> > >> >> Hello Nak Gurus, > >> >> I'm trying to troubleshoot a problem with > my > >> Dragon, and I'm hoping to > >> >> glimpse some insights from you. > >> >> The issue is that it is producing very > slight AC > >> noise in playback mode. > >> >> The problem is only noticeable > >> >> while playing silent portions of tape at > high > >> volumes. None of my other > >> >> decks CR-7, RX-505 and ZX-7 exhibit any > of AC type > >> noise. > >> >> So, while I am definitely nit-picking, > and the > >> issue is unnoticeable in > >> >> normal use, it seems like it should not > be there > >> at all in a deck of this > >> >> caliber. > >> >> I've looked at the power supply rails on > the amp > >> board with a scope and > >> >> don't see any AC ripple. The grounding > wires seem > >> to be properly attached, > >> >> playback head wiring seems properly > routed... > >> nothing too obvious. > >> >> > >> >> I did stock all the large caps and I'm > planning to > >> replace them soon. But > >> >> before I blindly charge ahead changing > >> electrolytic caps hoping the issue > >> >> would go away, > >> >> I'd like to try to find the root cause. > >> >> So my question is: do Dragons have some > usual > >> trouble spots that may > >> >> result > >> >> in AC hum being injected into the > playback, and > >> what are good ways to > >> >> troubleshoot something like that? > >> >> > >> >> Any input is highly appreciated. > >> >> Cheers, > >> >> Yuri > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >                        Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >           Also check out the wiki! > http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                 >         Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 7 03:18:43 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 11:18:43 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Hum In-Reply-To: References: <1309959913.35513.YahooMailClassic@web130106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: You don't want to 'cage' that transformer to allow cooling. The most effective way is to put a copper strip round the transformer in the same direction as the coils. It should contact the frame of the transformer for grounding. Cheers Bala Sent from my iPhone On Jul 7, 2011, at 4:02, vidguy vidguy wrote: > > Jeff, > Thanks for that info. > I did notice that I was able to reduce hum by placing a sheet of material similar to mu-metal on top. > I'm going to purchase some more and make a "cage" for the transformer. > > Nice to know I'm not crazy and hearing things. > > From: jeff at eslabs.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Hum > Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 12:46:30 -0400 > > Hi Ron, Yuri Fred, Robert and the other Naktalkers, > > Many different Nakamichi models, especially the 220/240 volt units, Dragons, 1000ZXL and the 480 series have this hum issue caused by the power transformer's electromagnetic field radiating into the playback head. It's easily resolved by adding a magnetic shield around the power transformer. This has been our standard modification procedure since these machines were new. Some of the newer Nakamichi transformers came with the shield already attached to it. > > > Jeff Galin > > "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! > ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS > 1807 Berlin Turnpike > Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA > By Appointment M-F 9AM to 5PM EST > Telephone 860-529-3700 > jeff at nakamichi.us jeff at eslabs.com > www.nakamichi.us > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ron > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 9:45 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Hum > > > > Could it be that the power supply transformer is radiating > > that much EMF that it is reaching the playback head? > > Possible, but doubtful. Two things I would > check are the the line filtering cap. and > the PB head grounding/mounting. > > -- Ron > > > > --- On Mon, 7/4/11, Yuri Regelman wrote: > > > From: Yuri Regelman > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Hum > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Date: Monday, July 4, 2011, 5:43 PM > > I've been trying to find the source > > of this hum for a while. As I've > > been going through the cap replacements, and various other > > upgrades I > > never did find an electrical reason (such as ac ripple in > > the power > > supply, or loose ground connection, bad shield, etc. > > ) Yesterday I > > finally had a hunch: what if the playback head is > > legitimately > > picking up the signal... Sure enough, I took one of > > those metal > > shields you find inside a cassette and brought it real > > close to the > > front of the playback head, resting it on the pressure pad > > lifter, and > > the noise went away.. > > So it must be EMF induced. To make sure the EMF is > > not coming from > > the DD motor I disconnected it from the power supply, but > > that did not > > help. > > Could it be that the power supply transformer is radiating > > that much > > EMF that it is reaching the playback head? > > Yuri > > > > So now the question is: what can be generating that much > > EMF > > > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Fred Longworth > > > > wrote: > > > Tighten all pc-to-chassis grounds. > > > > > > Check all the output jacks for weak or open > > connections on the ground side. > > > > > > Check all voltage regulators with a voltmeter and an > > oscilloscope. > > > > > > Check power supply filter capacitors to see if one or > > more of them is > > > beginning to open up -- very common. > > > > > > Verify that the shielding on the signal cables from > > the head assembly is > > > intact. Do not use a regular ohmmeter for this check. > > > > > > Fred > > > > > > Fred Longworth MBA, CHMM > > > Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 > > > 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F > > > San Diego, CA 92116 > > > (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 > > > Fax: (619) 282-7872 > > > classicaudiorepair at gmail.com > > > stereo1 at cox.net > > > www.repairaudio.com > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 8:02 AM, R Kent > > wrote: > > >> > > >> Yuri, > > >> Try isolating your Dragon physically from your > > other gear by 12" or so and > > >> see if the AC hum goes away. The Dragon is known > > to be particularly > > >> susceptible to AC hum. I had a similar problem a > > few years ago and was > > >> able > > >> to solve it by re-arranging my stack of gear to > > separate the Dragon > > >> further > > >> from power supply components in my other > > components. > > >> Robert Kent > > >> > > >> > > >> From: Yuri Regelman > > >> Subject: [naktalk] humming Dragon > > >> To: naktalk at naks.com > > >> Message-ID: > > >> > > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > >> > > >> Hello Nak Gurus, > > >> I'm trying to troubleshoot a problem with my > > Dragon, and I'm hoping to > > >> glimpse some insights from you. > > >> The issue is that it is producing very slight AC > > noise in playback mode. > > >> The problem is only noticeable > > >> while playing silent portions of tape at high > > volumes. None of my other > > >> decks CR-7, RX-505 and ZX-7 exhibit any of AC type > > noise. > > >> So, while I am definitely nit-picking, and the > > issue is unnoticeable in > > >> normal use, it seems like it should not be there > > at all in a deck of this > > >> caliber. > > >> I've looked at the power supply rails on the amp > > board with a scope and > > >> don't see any AC ripple. The grounding wires seem > > to be properly attached, > > >> playback head wiring seems properly routed... > > nothing too obvious. > > >> > > >> I did stock all the large caps and I'm planning to > > replace them soon. But > > >> before I blindly charge ahead changing > > electrolytic caps hoping the issue > > >> would go away, > > >> I'd like to try to find the root cause. > > >> So my question is: do Dragons have some usual > > trouble spots that may > > >> result > > >> in AC hum being injected into the playback, and > > what are good ways to > > >> troubleshoot something like that? > > >> > > >> Any input is highly appreciated. > > >> Cheers, > > >> Yuri > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From josephjean at verizon.net Thu Jul 7 00:09:33 2011 From: josephjean at verizon.net (goodguy) Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2011 18:09:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Hum In-Reply-To: References: <1309959913.35513.YahooMailClassic@web130106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0LNX006S1MVW354B@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> Were all Dragons (US and Japan versions) manufactured in the same place? Just wondering how production and serial numbers were assigned. At 12:46 PM 7/6/2011, you wrote: >Hi Ron, Yuri Fred, Robert and the other Naktalkers, > >Many different Nakamichi models, especially the 220/240 volt units, >Dragons, 1000ZXL and the 480 series have this hum issue caused by >the power transformer's electromagnetic field radiating into the >playback head. It's easily resolved by adding a magnetic shield >around the power transformer. This has been our standard >modification procedure since these machines were new. Some of the >newer Nakamichi transformers came with the shield already attached to it. > > >Jeff Galin > >"Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! >ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS >1807 Berlin Turnpike >Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA >By Appointment M-F 9AM to 5PM EST >Telephone 860-529-3700 > jeff at nakamichi.us > jeff at eslabs.com > www.nakamichi.us > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Ron >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 9:45 AM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Hum > > > > Could it be that the power supply transformer is radiating > > that much EMF that it is reaching the playback head? > >Possible, but doubtful. Two things I would >check are the the line filtering cap. and >the PB head grounding/mounting. > >-- Ron > > > >--- On Mon, 7/4/11, Yuri Regelman ><yregelman at gmail.com> wrote: > > > From: Yuri Regelman <yregelman at gmail.com> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Hum > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > <naktalk at naks.com> > > Date: Monday, July 4, 2011, 5:43 PM > > I've been trying to find the source > > of this hum for a while. As I've > > been going through the cap replacements, and various other > > upgrades I > > never did find an electrical reason (such as ac ripple in > > the power > > supply, or loose ground connection, bad shield, etc. > > ) Yesterday I > > finally had a hunch: what if the playback head is > > legitimately > > picking up the signal... Sure enough, I took one of > > those metal > > shields you find inside a cassette and brought it real > > close to the > > front of the playback head, resting it on the pressure pad > > lifter, and > > the noise went away.. > > So it must be EMF induced. To make sure the EMF is > > not coming from > > the DD motor I disconnected it from the power supply, but > > that did not > > help. > > Could it be that the power supply transformer is radiating > > that much > > EMF that it is reaching the playback head? > > Yuri > > > > So now the question is: what can be generating that much > > EMF > > > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Fred Longworth > > <classicaudiorepair at gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > Tighten all pc-to-chassis grounds. > > > > > > Check all the output jacks for weak or open > > connections on the ground side. > > > > > > Check all voltage regulators with a voltmeter and an > > oscilloscope. > > > > > > Check power supply filter capacitors to see if one or > > more of them is > > > beginning to open up -- very common. > > > > > > Verify that the shielding on the signal cables from > > the head assembly is > > > intact. Do not use a regular ohmmeter for this check. > > > > > > Fred > > > > > > Fred Longworth MBA, CHMM > > > Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 > > > 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F > > > San Diego, CA 92116 > > > (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 > > > Fax: (619) 282-7872 > > > classicaudiorepair at gmail.com > > > stereo1 at cox.net > > > www.repairaudio.com > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 8:02 AM, R Kent > <rjkent at comcast.net> > > wrote: > > >> > > >> Yuri, > > >> Try isolating your Dragon physically from your > > other gear by 12" or so and > > >> see if the AC hum goes away. The Dragon is known > > to be particularly > > >> susceptible to AC hum. I had a similar problem a > > few years ago and was > > >> able > > >> to solve it by re-arranging my stack of gear to > > separate the Dragon > > >> further > > >> from power supply components in my other > > components. > > >> Robert Kent > > >> > > >> > > >> From: Yuri Regelman <yregelman at gmail.com> > > >> Subject: [naktalk] humming Dragon > > >> To: naktalk at naks.com > > >> Message-ID: > > >> > <AANLkTimVSJ5r8U8ogEudbfXJaZDM=Qn2gY3-7RHg31bV at mail.gmail.com> > > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > >> > > >> Hello Nak Gurus, > > >> I'm trying to troubleshoot a problem with my > > Dragon, and I'm hoping to > > >> glimpse some insights from you. > > >> The issue is that it is producing very slight AC > > noise in playback mode. > > >> The problem is only noticeable > > >> while playing silent portions of tape at high > > volumes. None of my other > > >> decks CR-7, RX-505 and ZX-7 exhibit any of AC type > > noise. > > >> So, while I am definitely nit-picking, and the > > issue is unnoticeable in > > >> normal use, it seems like it should not be there > > at all in a deck of this > > >> caliber. > > >> I've looked at the power supply rails on the amp > > board with a scope and > > >> don't see any AC ripple. The grounding wires seem > > to be properly attached, > > >> playback head wiring seems properly routed... > > nothing too obvious. > > >> > > >> I did stock all the large caps and I'm planning to > > replace them soon. But > > >> before I blindly charge ahead changing > > electrolytic caps hoping the issue > > >> would go away, > > >> I'd like to try to find the root cause. > > >> So my question is: do Dragons have some usual > > trouble spots that may > > >> result > > >> in AC hum being injected into the playback, and > > what are good ways to > > >> troubleshoot something like that? > > >> > > >> Any input is highly appreciated. > > >> Cheers, > > >> Yuri >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland When momentum meets resistance, push harder. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yregelman at gmail.com Thu Jul 7 00:28:22 2011 From: yregelman at gmail.com (Yuri Regelman) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 15:28:22 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Hum In-Reply-To: <1309988555.10190.YahooMailClassic@web130115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <1309988555.10190.YahooMailClassic@web130115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Gladly Y On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Ron wrote: > > One you install the mu-metal shield, please > post your results. > > TIA, > > -- Ron > > > --- On Wed, 7/6/11, Yuri Regelman wrote: > >> From: Yuri Regelman >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Hum >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> Date: Wednesday, July 6, 2011, 2:01 PM >> Jeff, >> Thank you for confirming this!!!  This was my lead >> theory after >> chasing my tail for quite some time. >> I already have a couple of sheets of mu-metal shielding on >> order. >> Sounds like that should take care of the problem. >> I did not quite want to believe that with all the >> perfectionism in >> Nakamichi's design they'll let something trivial like that >> affect their flagship decks... >> Yuri >> >> On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 9:46 AM,  >> wrote: >> > Hi Ron, Yuri Fred, Robert and the other Naktalkers, >> > >> > Many different Nakamichi models, especially the >> 220/240 volt units, Dragons, >> > 1000ZXL and the 480 series have this hum issue caused >> by the power >> > transformer's electromagnetic field radiating into the >> playback head.  It's >> > easily resolved by adding a magnetic shield around >> the power transformer. >> > This has been our standard modification procedure >> since these machines were >> > new.  Some of the newer Nakamichi transformers came >> with the shield already >> > attached to it. >> > >> > >> > Jeff Galin >> > >> > "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! >> > ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS >> > 1807 Berlin Turnpike >> > Wethersfield, Connecticut  06109  USA >> > By Appointment M-F 9AM to 5PM EST >> > Telephone 860-529-3700 >> >  jeff at nakamichi.us >> jeff at eslabs.com >> >                  www.nakamichi.us >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: Ron >> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> > Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 9:45 AM >> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Hum >> > >> >> Could it be that the power supply transformer is >> radiating >> >> that much EMF that it is reaching the playback >> head? >> > >> > Possible, but doubtful. Two things I would >> > check are the the line filtering cap. and >> > the PB head grounding/mounting. >> > >> > -- Ron >> > >> > >> > >> > --- On Mon, 7/4/11, Yuri Regelman >> wrote: >> > >> >> From: Yuri Regelman >> >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Hum >> >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> >> Date: Monday, July 4, 2011, 5:43 PM >> >> I've been trying to find the source >> >> of this hum for a while. As I've >> >> been going through the cap replacements, and >> various other >> >> upgrades I >> >> never did find an electrical reason (such as ac >> ripple in >> >> the power >> >> supply, or loose ground connection, bad shield, >> etc. >> >> ) Yesterday I >> >> finally had a hunch: what if the playback head is >> >> legitimately >> >> picking up the signal... Sure enough, I took one >> of >> >> those metal >> >> shields you find inside a cassette and brought it >> real >> >> close to the >> >> front of the playback head, resting it on the >> pressure pad >> >> lifter, and >> >> the noise went away.. >> >> So it must be EMF induced. To make sure the EMF >> is >> >> not coming from >> >> the DD motor I disconnected it from the power >> supply, but >> >> that did not >> >> help. >> >> Could it be that the power supply transformer is >> radiating >> >> that much >> >> EMF that it is reaching the playback head? >> >> Yuri >> >> >> >> So now the question is: what can be generating >> that much >> >> EMF >> >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Fred Longworth >> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> > Tighten all pc-to-chassis grounds. >> >> > >> >> > Check all the output jacks for weak or open >> >> connections on the ground side. >> >> > >> >> > Check all voltage regulators with a voltmeter >> and an >> >> oscilloscope. >> >> > >> >> > Check power supply filter capacitors to see >> if one or >> >> more of them is >> >> > beginning to open up -- very common. >> >> > >> >> > Verify that the shielding on the signal >> cables from >> >> the head assembly is >> >> > intact. Do not use a regular ohmmeter for >> this check. >> >> > >> >> > Fred >> >> > >> >> > Fred Longworth MBA, CHMM >> >> > Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 >> >> > 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F >> >> > San Diego, CA 92116 >> >> > (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 >> >> > Fax: (619) 282-7872 >> >> > classicaudiorepair at gmail.com >> >> > stereo1 at cox.net >> >> > www.repairaudio.com >> >> > >> >> > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 8:02 AM, R Kent >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Yuri, >> >> >> Try isolating your Dragon physically from >> your >> >> other gear by 12" or so and >> >> >> see if the AC hum goes away. The Dragon >> is known >> >> to be particularly >> >> >> susceptible to AC hum. I had a similar >> problem a >> >> few years ago and was >> >> >> able >> >> >> to solve it by re-arranging my stack of >> gear to >> >> separate the Dragon >> >> >> further >> >> >> from power supply components in my other >> >> components. >> >> >> Robert Kent >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Yuri Regelman >> >> >> Subject: [naktalk] humming Dragon >> >> >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> >> >> Message-ID: >> >> >> >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; >> charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> >> >> >> >> Hello Nak Gurus, >> >> >> I'm trying to troubleshoot a problem with >> my >> >> Dragon, and I'm hoping to >> >> >> glimpse some insights from you. >> >> >> The issue is that it is producing very >> slight AC >> >> noise in playback mode. >> >> >> The problem is only noticeable >> >> >> while playing silent portions of tape at >> high >> >> volumes. None of my other >> >> >> decks CR-7, RX-505 and ZX-7 exhibit any >> of AC type >> >> noise. >> >> >> So, while I am definitely nit-picking, >> and the >> >> issue is unnoticeable in >> >> >> normal use, it seems like it should not >> be there >> >> at all in a deck of this >> >> >> caliber. >> >> >> I've looked at the power supply rails on >> the amp >> >> board with a scope and >> >> >> don't see any AC ripple. The grounding >> wires seem >> >> to be properly attached, >> >> >> playback head wiring seems properly >> routed... >> >> nothing too obvious. >> >> >> >> >> >> I did stock all the large caps and I'm >> planning to >> >> replace them soon. But >> >> >> before I blindly charge ahead changing >> >> electrolytic caps hoping the issue >> >> >> would go away, >> >> >> I'd like to try to find the root cause. >> >> >> So my question is: do Dragons have some >> usual >> >> trouble spots that may >> >> >> result >> >> >> in AC hum being injected into the >> playback, and >> >> what are good ways to >> >> >> troubleshoot something like that? >> >> >> >> >> >> Any input is highly appreciated. >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> Yuri >> > >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >                        Naktalk at naks.com >> mailinglist >> > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>           Also check out the wiki! >> http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >>         Naktalk at naks.com >> mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From vidguy_me at hotmail.com Thu Jul 7 04:04:16 2011 From: vidguy_me at hotmail.com (vidguy vidguy) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 02:04:16 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Hum In-Reply-To: References: <1309959913.35513.YahooMailClassic@web130106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, , , Message-ID: I have seen many vintage gear with properly shielded transformers. I've have a few amps at 150-300wpc and they all have transformers mounted in casings. Onkyo Integra series, Mitsubishi DA-A10, A-15. Yaquin Tube Integrated. All of these have covered transformers. My Dragon get's warm, but no where near as warm as an amplifier. I seen no reason for concern. I've enclosed motors on turntables, as well as transformers, never had an issue. BTW, copper does not work in this case. (tried) MU-Metal does a far better job at this kind of interference. From: bg3009 at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Hum Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 11:18:43 +1000 To: naktalk at naks.com You don't want to 'cage' that transformer to allow cooling. The most effective way is to put a copper strip round the transformer in the same direction as the coils. It should contact the frame of the transformer for grounding. Cheers Bala Sent from my iPhone On Jul 7, 2011, at 4:02, vidguy vidguy wrote: Jeff, Thanks for that info. I did notice that I was able to reduce hum by placing a sheet of material similar to mu-metal on top. I'm going to purchase some more and make a "cage" for the transformer. Nice to know I'm not crazy and hearing things. From: jeff at eslabs.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Hum Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 12:46:30 -0400 Hi Ron, Yuri Fred, Robert and the other Naktalkers, Many different Nakamichi models, especially the 220/240 volt units, Dragons, 1000ZXL and the 480 series have this hum issue caused by the power transformer's electromagnetic field radiating into the playback head. It's easily resolved by adding a magnetic shield around the power transformer. This has been our standard modification procedure since these machines were new. Some of the newer Nakamichi transformers came with the shield already attached to it. Jeff Galin "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS 1807 Berlin Turnpike Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA By Appointment M-F 9AM to 5PM EST Telephone 860-529-3700 jeff at nakamichi.us jeff at eslabs.com www.nakamichi.us ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Hum > Could it be that the power supply transformer is radiating > that much EMF that it is reaching the playback head? Possible, but doubtful. Two things I would check are the the line filtering cap. and the PB head grounding/mounting. -- Ron --- On Mon, 7/4/11, Yuri Regelman wrote: > From: Yuri Regelman > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Hum > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Monday, July 4, 2011, 5:43 PM > I've been trying to find the source > of this hum for a while. As I've > been going through the cap replacements, and various other > upgrades I > never did find an electrical reason (such as ac ripple in > the power > supply, or loose ground connection, bad shield, etc. > ) Yesterday I > finally had a hunch: what if the playback head is > legitimately > picking up the signal... Sure enough, I took one of > those metal > shields you find inside a cassette and brought it real > close to the > front of the playback head, resting it on the pressure pad > lifter, and > the noise went away.. > So it must be EMF induced. To make sure the EMF is > not coming from > the DD motor I disconnected it from the power supply, but > that did not > help. > Could it be that the power supply transformer is radiating > that much > EMF that it is reaching the playback head? > Yuri > > So now the question is: what can be generating that much > EMF > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Fred Longworth > > wrote: > > Tighten all pc-to-chassis grounds. > > > > Check all the output jacks for weak or open > connections on the ground side. > > > > Check all voltage regulators with a voltmeter and an > oscilloscope. > > > > Check power supply filter capacitors to see if one or > more of them is > > beginning to open up -- very common. > > > > Verify that the shielding on the signal cables from > the head assembly is > > intact. Do not use a regular ohmmeter for this check. > > > > Fred > > > > Fred Longworth MBA, CHMM > > Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 > > 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F > > San Diego, CA 92116 > > (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 > > Fax: (619) 282-7872 > > classicaudiorepair at gmail.com > > stereo1 at cox.net > > www.repairaudio.com > > > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 8:02 AM, R Kent > wrote: > >> > >> Yuri, > >> Try isolating your Dragon physically from your > other gear by 12" or so and > >> see if the AC hum goes away. The Dragon is known > to be particularly > >> susceptible to AC hum. I had a similar problem a > few years ago and was > >> able > >> to solve it by re-arranging my stack of gear to > separate the Dragon > >> further > >> from power supply components in my other > components. > >> Robert Kent > >> > >> > >> From: Yuri Regelman > >> Subject: [naktalk] humming Dragon > >> To: naktalk at naks.com > >> Message-ID: > >> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >> > >> Hello Nak Gurus, > >> I'm trying to troubleshoot a problem with my > Dragon, and I'm hoping to > >> glimpse some insights from you. > >> The issue is that it is producing very slight AC > noise in playback mode. > >> The problem is only noticeable > >> while playing silent portions of tape at high > volumes. None of my other > >> decks CR-7, RX-505 and ZX-7 exhibit any of AC type > noise. > >> So, while I am definitely nit-picking, and the > issue is unnoticeable in > >> normal use, it seems like it should not be there > at all in a deck of this > >> caliber. > >> I've looked at the power supply rails on the amp > board with a scope and > >> don't see any AC ripple. The grounding wires seem > to be properly attached, > >> playback head wiring seems properly routed... > nothing too obvious. > >> > >> I did stock all the large caps and I'm planning to > replace them soon. But > >> before I blindly charge ahead changing > electrolytic caps hoping the issue > >> would go away, > >> I'd like to try to find the root cause. > >> So my question is: do Dragons have some usual > trouble spots that may > >> result > >> in AC hum being injected into the playback, and > what are good ways to > >> troubleshoot something like that? > >> > >> Any input is highly appreciated. > >> Cheers, > >> Yuri ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adrian at mechner.net Thu Jul 7 07:06:02 2011 From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 22:06:02 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Hum In-Reply-To: References: <1309959913.35513.YahooMailClassic@web130106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000301cc3c63$9208f070$b61ad150$@net> I won’t help! From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 6:19 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Hum You don't want to 'cage' that transformer to allow cooling. The most effective way is to put a copper strip round the transformer in the same direction as the coils. It should contact the frame of the transformer for grounding. Cheers Bala Sent from my iPhone On Jul 7, 2011, at 4:02, vidguy vidguy wrote: Jeff, Thanks for that info. I did notice that I was able to reduce hum by placing a sheet of material similar to mu-metal on top. I'm going to purchase some more and make a "cage" for the transformer. Nice to know I'm not crazy and hearing things. _____ From: jeff at eslabs.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Hum Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 12:46:30 -0400 Hi Ron, Yuri Fred, Robert and the other Naktalkers, Many different Nakamichi models, especially the 220/240 volt units, Dragons, 1000ZXL and the 480 series have this hum issue caused by the power transformer's electromagnetic field radiating into the playback head. It's easily resolved by adding a magnetic shield around the power transformer. This has been our standard modification procedure since these machines were new. Some of the newer Nakamichi transformers came with the shield already attached to it. Jeff Galin "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS 1807 Berlin Turnpike Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA By Appointment M-F 9AM to 5PM EST Telephone 860-529-3700 jeff at nakamichi.us jeff at eslabs.com www.nakamichi.us ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Hum > Could it be that the power supply transformer is radiating > that much EMF that it is reaching the playback head? Possible, but doubtful. Two things I would check are the the line filtering cap. and the PB head grounding/mounting. -- Ron --- On Mon, 7/4/11, Yuri Regelman wrote: > From: Yuri Regelman > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Hum > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Monday, July 4, 2011, 5:43 PM > I've been trying to find the source > of this hum for a while. As I've > been going through the cap replacements, and various other > upgrades I > never did find an electrical reason (such as ac ripple in > the power > supply, or loose ground connection, bad shield, etc. > ) Yesterday I > finally had a hunch: what if the playback head is > legitimately > picking up the signal... Sure enough, I took one of > those metal > shields you find inside a cassette and brought it real > close to the > front of the playback head, resting it on the pressure pad > lifter, and > the noise went away.. > So it must be EMF induced. To make sure the EMF is > not coming from > the DD motor I disconnected it from the power supply, but > that did not > help. > Could it be that the power supply transformer is radiating > that much > EMF that it is reaching the playback head? > Yuri > > So now the question is: what can be generating that much > EMF > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Fred Longworth > > wrote: > > Tighten all pc-to-chassis grounds. > > > > Check all the output jacks for weak or open > connections on the ground side. > > > > Check all voltage regulators with a voltmeter and an > oscilloscope. > > > > Check power supply filter capacitors to see if one or > more of them is > > beginning to open up -- very common. > > > > Verify that the shielding on the signal cables from > the head assembly is > > intact. Do not use a regular ohmmeter for this check. > > > > Fred > > > > Fred Longworth MBA, CHMM > > Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 > > 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F > > San Diego, CA 92116 > > (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 > > Fax: (619) 282-7872 > > classicaudiorepair at gmail.com > > stereo1 at cox.net > > www.repairaudio.com > > > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 8:02 AM, R Kent > wrote: > >> > >> Yuri, > >> Try isolating your Dragon physically from your > other gear by 12" or so and > >> see if the AC hum goes away. The Dragon is known > to be particularly > >> susceptible to AC hum. I had a similar problem a > few years ago and was > >> able > >> to solve it by re-arranging my stack of gear to > separate the Dragon > >> further > >> from power supply components in my other > components. > >> Robert Kent > >> > >> > >> From: Yuri Regelman > >> Subject: [naktalk] humming Dragon > >> To: naktalk at naks.com > >> Message-ID: > >> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >> > >> Hello Nak Gurus, > >> I'm trying to troubleshoot a problem with my > Dragon, and I'm hoping to > >> glimpse some insights from you. > >> The issue is that it is producing very slight AC > noise in playback mode. > >> The problem is only noticeable > >> while playing silent portions of tape at high > volumes. None of my other > >> decks CR-7, RX-505 and ZX-7 exhibit any of AC type > noise. > >> So, while I am definitely nit-picking, and the > issue is unnoticeable in > >> normal use, it seems like it should not be there > at all in a deck of this > >> caliber. > >> I've looked at the power supply rails on the amp > board with a scope and > >> don't see any AC ripple. The grounding wires seem > to be properly attached, > >> playback head wiring seems properly routed... > nothing too obvious. > >> > >> I did stock all the large caps and I'm planning to > replace them soon. But > >> before I blindly charge ahead changing > electrolytic caps hoping the issue > >> would go away, > >> I'd like to try to find the root cause. > >> So my question is: do Dragons have some usual > trouble spots that may > >> result > >> in AC hum being injected into the playback, and > what are good ways to > >> troubleshoot something like that? > >> > >> Any input is highly appreciated. > >> Cheers, > >> Yuri ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 7 12:43:31 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 20:43:31 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Hum In-Reply-To: References: <1309959913.35513.YahooMailClassic@web130106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <21B10064-3BF0-41A4-A904-44E513F71B13@yahoo.com> Guess u have seen and done it all. I take back my two cents. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 7, 2011, at 12:04, vidguy vidguy wrote: > > > I have seen many vintage gear with properly shielded transformers. > > I've have a few amps at 150-300wpc and they all have transformers mounted in casings. > Onkyo Integra series, Mitsubishi DA-A10, A-15. Yaquin Tube Integrated. All of these have covered transformers. > > My Dragon get's warm, but no where near as warm as an amplifier. > > I seen no reason for concern. > > I've enclosed motors on turntables, as well as transformers, never had an issue. > > BTW, copper does not work in this case. (tried) MU-Metal does a far better job at this kind of interference. > > > > From: bg3009 at yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Hum > Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 11:18:43 +1000 > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > You don't want to 'cage' that transformer to allow cooling. The most effective way is to put a copper strip round the transformer in the same direction as the coils. It should contact the frame of the transformer for grounding. > > Cheers > Bala > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 7, 2011, at 4:02, vidguy vidguy wrote: > > > Jeff, > Thanks for that info. > I did notice that I was able to reduce hum by placing a sheet of material similar to mu-metal on top. > I'm going to purchase some more and make a "cage" for the transformer. > > Nice to know I'm not crazy and hearing things. > > From: jeff at eslabs.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Hum > Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 12:46:30 -0400 > > Hi Ron, Yuri Fred, Robert and the other Naktalkers, > > Many different Nakamichi models, especially the 220/240 volt units, Dragons, 1000ZXL and the 480 series have this hum issue caused by the power transformer's electromagnetic field radiating into the playback head. It's easily resolved by adding a magnetic shield around the power transformer. This has been our standard modification procedure since these machines were new. Some of the newer Nakamichi transformers came with the shield already attached to it. > > > Jeff Galin > > "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! > ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS > 1807 Berlin Turnpike > Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA > By Appointment M-F 9AM to 5PM EST > Telephone 860-529-3700 > jeff at nakamichi.us jeff at eslabs.com > www.nakamichi.us > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ron > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 9:45 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Hum > > > > Could it be that the power supply transformer is radiating > > that much EMF that it is reaching the playback head? > > Possible, but doubtful. Two things I would > check are the the line filtering cap. and > the PB head grounding/mounting. > > -- Ron > > > > --- On Mon, 7/4/11, Yuri Regelman wrote: > > > From: Yuri Regelman > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Hum > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Date: Monday, July 4, 2011, 5:43 PM > > I've been trying to find the source > > of this hum for a while. As I've > > been going through the cap replacements, and various other > > upgrades I > > never did find an electrical reason (such as ac ripple in > > the power > > supply, or loose ground connection, bad shield, etc. > > ) Yesterday I > > finally had a hunch: what if the playback head is > > legitimately > > picking up the signal... Sure enough, I took one of > > those metal > > shields you find inside a cassette and brought it real > > close to the > > front of the playback head, resting it on the pressure pad > > lifter, and > > the noise went away.. > > So it must be EMF induced. To make sure the EMF is > > not coming from > > the DD motor I disconnected it from the power supply, but > > that did not > > help. > > Could it be that the power supply transformer is radiating > > that much > > EMF that it is reaching the playback head? > > Yuri > > > > So now the question is: what can be generating that much > > EMF > > > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Fred Longworth > > > > wrote: > > > Tighten all pc-to-chassis grounds. > > > > > > Check all the output jacks for weak or open > > connections on the ground side. > > > > > > Check all voltage regulators with a voltmeter and an > > oscilloscope. > > > > > > Check power supply filter capacitors to see if one or > > more of them is > > > beginning to open up -- very common. > > > > > > Verify that the shielding on the signal cables from > > the head assembly is > > > intact. Do not use a regular ohmmeter for this check. > > > > > > Fred > > > > > > Fred Longworth MBA, CHMM > > > Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 > > > 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F > > > San Diego, CA 92116 > > > (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 > > > Fax: (619) 282-7872 > > > classicaudiorepair at gmail.com > > > stereo1 at cox.net > > > www.repairaudio.com > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 8:02 AM, R Kent > > wrote: > > >> > > >> Yuri, > > >> Try isolating your Dragon physically from your > > other gear by 12" or so and > > >> see if the AC hum goes away. The Dragon is known > > to be particularly > > >> susceptible to AC hum. I had a similar problem a > > few years ago and was > > >> able > > >> to solve it by re-arranging my stack of gear to > > separate the Dragon > > >> further > > >> from power supply components in my other > > components. > > >> Robert Kent > > >> > > >> > > >> From: Yuri Regelman > > >> Subject: [naktalk] humming Dragon > > >> To: naktalk at naks.com > > >> Message-ID: > > >> > > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > >> > > >> Hello Nak Gurus, > > >> I'm trying to troubleshoot a problem with my > > Dragon, and I'm hoping to > > >> glimpse some insights from you. > > >> The issue is that it is producing very slight AC > > noise in playback mode. > > >> The problem is only noticeable > > >> while playing silent portions of tape at high > > volumes. None of my other > > >> decks CR-7, RX-505 and ZX-7 exhibit any of AC type > > noise. > > >> So, while I am definitely nit-picking, and the > > issue is unnoticeable in > > >> normal use, it seems like it should not be there > > at all in a deck of this > > >> caliber. > > >> I've looked at the power supply rails on the amp > > board with a scope and > > >> don't see any AC ripple. The grounding wires seem > > to be properly attached, > > >> playback head wiring seems properly routed... > > nothing too obvious. > > >> > > >> I did stock all the large caps and I'm planning to > > replace them soon. But > > >> before I blindly charge ahead changing > > electrolytic caps hoping the issue > > >> would go away, > > >> I'd like to try to find the root cause. > > >> So my question is: do Dragons have some usual > > trouble spots that may > > >> result > > >> in AC hum being injected into the playback, and > > what are good ways to > > >> troubleshoot something like that? > > >> > > >> Any input is highly appreciated. > > >> Cheers, > > >> Yuri > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pbtanner at hotmail.com Thu Jul 7 10:21:41 2011 From: pbtanner at hotmail.com (Peter Tanner) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 08:21:41 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 581 In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Hi Cheryl, Never touched the guides but since you mention them I've checked the height with Willy's gauge. Spot on. Head height and azimuth are adjusted with the Nak tapes I borrowed. I also have Luis Peromarta's tapes but they give a setting several clicks off the Nak tapes, so it's Nak adjusted now. The plastic screw on the metal stud is tight, tape tension is good and in any case the deck plays back very well. I'll recheck the record head and I still don't know why that transistor is so hot. Thanks for the suggestions. Peter From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] 581 Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 10:07:19 -1000 Hi Peter, If the tape guides are not properly aligned it will affect erasure since the erase head won't be properly aligned with the tape. If you have never adjusted the tapes guides then that probably is not the problem--with a big exception. On my old 581 it was the left tape guide that started my ordeal. The tape guide metal stud is supposed to have a tight press-fit into the plastic standoff. When they get old the metal stud can start slipping within the plastic part. When that happens it will mess up the tape guide alignment. If that tape guide asembly is slipping it will need to be repaired or replaced and then the guides need to be properly aligned. Also, if the record and playback heads are not properly adjusted the deck might be recording/playing outside of the intended track. If that is the case then the erase head may not completely erase everything. Don't know about the heat issues. Aloha, Cheryl From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Peter Tanner Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 6:20 AM To: naktalk naktalk Subject: [naktalk] 581 Hi everybody, I have a 581 that works well but it doesn't erase some tapes entirely. It records and calibrates well though. The two orange caps, C317 and 318 have been changed. I've also noticed that on the other board a big resistor R 407 and Q420, a large NEC transistor, are very hot. The transistor cannot be touched. Only in playback or record. In stop, fast forward and rewind they cool off. I wonder if it's normal. The deck functions well otherwise except the erase problem. The local technician could not solve the issue. Thanks in advance if anyone has an answer Peter ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vidguy_me at hotmail.com Thu Jul 7 19:36:03 2011 From: vidguy_me at hotmail.com (vidguy vidguy) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 17:36:03 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Hum In-Reply-To: <21B10064-3BF0-41A4-A904-44E513F71B13@yahoo.com> References: <1309959913.35513.YahooMailClassic@web130106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, , , , , <21B10064-3BF0-41A4-A904-44E513F71B13@yahoo.com> Message-ID: No, not all. Just enough to know that enclosing the transformer will cause no harm. I read a lot of your posts, so I know you have plenty of "cents" left. From: bg3009 at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Hum Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 20:43:31 +1000 To: naktalk at naks.com Guess u have seen and done it all. I take back my two cents. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 7, 2011, at 12:04, vidguy vidguy wrote: I have seen many vintage gear with properly shielded transformers. I've have a few amps at 150-300wpc and they all have transformers mounted in casings. Onkyo Integra series, Mitsubishi DA-A10, A-15. Yaquin Tube Integrated. All of these have covered transformers. My Dragon get's warm, but no where near as warm as an amplifier. I seen no reason for concern. I've enclosed motors on turntables, as well as transformers, never had an issue. BTW, copper does not work in this case. (tried) MU-Metal does a far better job at this kind of interference. From: bg3009 at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Hum Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 11:18:43 +1000 To: naktalk at naks.com You don't want to 'cage' that transformer to allow cooling. The most effective way is to put a copper strip round the transformer in the same direction as the coils. It should contact the frame of the transformer for grounding. Cheers Bala Sent from my iPhone On Jul 7, 2011, at 4:02, vidguy vidguy wrote: Jeff, Thanks for that info. I did notice that I was able to reduce hum by placing a sheet of material similar to mu-metal on top. I'm going to purchase some more and make a "cage" for the transformer. Nice to know I'm not crazy and hearing things. From: jeff at eslabs.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Hum Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 12:46:30 -0400 Hi Ron, Yuri Fred, Robert and the other Naktalkers, Many different Nakamichi models, especially the 220/240 volt units, Dragons, 1000ZXL and the 480 series have this hum issue caused by the power transformer's electromagnetic field radiating into the playback head. It's easily resolved by adding a magnetic shield around the power transformer. This has been our standard modification procedure since these machines were new. Some of the newer Nakamichi transformers came with the shield already attached to it. Jeff Galin "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS 1807 Berlin Turnpike Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA By Appointment M-F 9AM to 5PM EST Telephone 860-529-3700 jeff at nakamichi.us jeff at eslabs.com www.nakamichi.us ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Hum > Could it be that the power supply transformer is radiating > that much EMF that it is reaching the playback head? Possible, but doubtful. Two things I would check are the the line filtering cap. and the PB head grounding/mounting. -- Ron --- On Mon, 7/4/11, Yuri Regelman wrote: > From: Yuri Regelman > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Hum > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Monday, July 4, 2011, 5:43 PM > I've been trying to find the source > of this hum for a while. As I've > been going through the cap replacements, and various other > upgrades I > never did find an electrical reason (such as ac ripple in > the power > supply, or loose ground connection, bad shield, etc. > ) Yesterday I > finally had a hunch: what if the playback head is > legitimately > picking up the signal... Sure enough, I took one of > those metal > shields you find inside a cassette and brought it real > close to the > front of the playback head, resting it on the pressure pad > lifter, and > the noise went away.. > So it must be EMF induced. To make sure the EMF is > not coming from > the DD motor I disconnected it from the power supply, but > that did not > help. > Could it be that the power supply transformer is radiating > that much > EMF that it is reaching the playback head? > Yuri > > So now the question is: what can be generating that much > EMF > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Fred Longworth > > wrote: > > Tighten all pc-to-chassis grounds. > > > > Check all the output jacks for weak or open > connections on the ground side. > > > > Check all voltage regulators with a voltmeter and an > oscilloscope. > > > > Check power supply filter capacitors to see if one or > more of them is > > beginning to open up -- very common. > > > > Verify that the shielding on the signal cables from > the head assembly is > > intact. Do not use a regular ohmmeter for this check. > > > > Fred > > > > Fred Longworth MBA, CHMM > > Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 > > 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F > > San Diego, CA 92116 > > (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 > > Fax: (619) 282-7872 > > classicaudiorepair at gmail.com > > stereo1 at cox.net > > www.repairaudio.com > > > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 8:02 AM, R Kent > wrote: > >> > >> Yuri, > >> Try isolating your Dragon physically from your > other gear by 12" or so and > >> see if the AC hum goes away. The Dragon is known > to be particularly > >> susceptible to AC hum. I had a similar problem a > few years ago and was > >> able > >> to solve it by re-arranging my stack of gear to > separate the Dragon > >> further > >> from power supply components in my other > components. > >> Robert Kent > >> > >> > >> From: Yuri Regelman > >> Subject: [naktalk] humming Dragon > >> To: naktalk at naks.com > >> Message-ID: > >> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >> > >> Hello Nak Gurus, > >> I'm trying to troubleshoot a problem with my > Dragon, and I'm hoping to > >> glimpse some insights from you. > >> The issue is that it is producing very slight AC > noise in playback mode. > >> The problem is only noticeable > >> while playing silent portions of tape at high > volumes. None of my other > >> decks CR-7, RX-505 and ZX-7 exhibit any of AC type > noise. > >> So, while I am definitely nit-picking, and the > issue is unnoticeable in > >> normal use, it seems like it should not be there > at all in a deck of this > >> caliber. > >> I've looked at the power supply rails on the amp > board with a scope and > >> don't see any AC ripple. The grounding wires seem > to be properly attached, > >> playback head wiring seems properly routed... > nothing too obvious. > >> > >> I did stock all the large caps and I'm planning to > replace them soon. But > >> before I blindly charge ahead changing > electrolytic caps hoping the issue > >> would go away, > >> I'd like to try to find the root cause. > >> So my question is: do Dragons have some usual > trouble spots that may > >> result > >> in AC hum being injected into the playback, and > what are good ways to > >> troubleshoot something like that? > >> > >> Any input is highly appreciated. > >> Cheers, > >> Yuri ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 9 02:25:56 2011 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (Ram) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 20:25:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] The nakamichi 600 Message-ID: <93E477D1-19D4-4785-BB78-1E2052A1B448@yahoo.com> Hi friends, Just got my 3rd nak 600 2 head beauty with the oak veneered cover and all. sounds phenomenal. I wanted to reiterate to all that the 600 (all three of them)came without the well plexiglas cover. I did read here that the 600 did come with the cover, but my experience has been otherwise. The 600 II that I also have did come with this plexiglas glass cover that fits the similarly shaped lid and similarly configured well. Could some knowledgeable person(I mean Jeff Galin or Willy Hermann) co firm this plexiglas existence for the 600 or refute it....could put my mind to rest and at ease. I firmly believe that the cover was never part of the 600 deck. Thanks. Ram From thomas36245-net at yahoo.com Sat Jul 9 05:33:29 2011 From: thomas36245-net at yahoo.com (thomas) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 20:33:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] The nakamichi 600 In-Reply-To: <93E477D1-19D4-4785-BB78-1E2052A1B448@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1310182409.25686.YahooMailClassic@web80608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> HI Ram ; Got you beat...I have 6 of them at last count although a few are parts machines. Only the 600 II has a slot in the well tape holder for the clear plastic cover to slide into. The regular 600's have no slot and did not come with the small cover but instead came with the larger full clear plastic dustcover that goes over the whole front face of the deck.  The 600's sure sound great when they're working properly.       Thomas --- On Fri, 7/8/11, Ram wrote: From: Ram Subject: [naktalk] The nakamichi 600 To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Friday, July 8, 2011, 8:25 PM Hi friends, Just got my 3rd nak 600 2 head beauty with the oak veneered cover and all. sounds phenomenal. I wanted to reiterate to all that the 600 (all three of them)came without the well plexiglas cover. I did read here that the 600 did come with the cover, but my experience has been otherwise. The 600 II that I also have did come with this plexiglas glass cover that fits the similarly shaped lid and similarly configured well. Could some knowledgeable person(I mean Jeff Galin or Willy Hermann) co firm this plexiglas existence for the 600 or refute it....could  put my mind to rest and at ease. I firmly believe that the cover was never part of the 600 deck. Thanks. Ram ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkrause at multiplan.com.br Sat Jul 9 06:44:06 2011 From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 01:44:06 -0300 Subject: Res: [naktalk] The nakamichi 600 In-Reply-To: <93E477D1-19D4-4785-BB78-1E2052A1B448@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40338E249@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br> Hi guys, I too bought a Nak 600 and did not get/have a plexiglass tape or deck cover. I did find a japanese deck on eBay with both items. Maybe only the japanese domestic maarkwt got these hifty accessories... Regards from Brazil! Rodrigo ----- Mensagem original ----- De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Enviada em: Fri Jul 08 21:25:56 2011 Assunto: [naktalk] The nakamichi 600 Hi friends, Just got my 3rd nak 600 2 head beauty with the oak veneered cover and all. sounds phenomenal. I wanted to reiterate to all that the 600 (all three of them)came without the well plexiglas cover. I did read here that the 600 did come with the cover, but my experience has been otherwise. The 600 II that I also have did come with this plexiglas glass cover that fits the similarly shaped lid and similarly configured well. Could some knowledgeable person(I mean Jeff Galin or Willy Hermann) co firm this plexiglas existence for the 600 or refute it....could put my mind to rest and at ease. I firmly believe that the cover was never part of the 600 deck. Thanks. 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From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Sat Jul 9 13:04:00 2011 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 13:04:00 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Pinch Rollers classic transport Message-ID: <000e01cc3e27$e86324c0$b9296e40$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Hi Guys, I am working at a 1000ZXL of someone here in the Netherlands and the deck is in desparate need of new pinch rollers. On ebay there is a guy who sells them new for 50 euro's . That's a lot of money for these parts i guess. I wonder if we are running in trouble (in the future) with these parts? We can get new idler tires, new belts but no new pinch rollers except from that guy on ebay. Are there other sources we know? Do we have to contact some manifacturer to make them for us? What are the thoughts on Naktalk about this? Regards Norman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 9 13:12:43 2011 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 04:12:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] The nakamichi 600 In-Reply-To: <1310182409.25686.YahooMailClassic@web80608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1310209963.39226.YahooMailClassic@web112717.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Ah! Yes you got me beat for sure. Thanks for sharing the plexi glass well cover issue I have been wondering over for a while now. As for the deck cover( covering the entire deck) some had them and others did not( If with a wooden case). Ram. --- On Fri, 7/8/11, thomas wrote: From: thomas Subject: Re: [naktalk] The nakamichi 600 To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Friday, July 8, 2011, 11:33 PM HI Ram ; Got you beat...I have 6 of them at last count although a few are parts machines. Only the 600 II has a slot in the well tape holder for the clear plastic cover to slide into. The regular 600's have no slot and did not come with the small cover but instead came with the larger full clear plastic dustcover that goes over the whole front face of the deck.  The 600's sure sound great when they're working properly.       Thomas --- On Fri, 7/8/11, Ram wrote: From: Ram Subject: [naktalk] The nakamichi 600 To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Friday, July 8, 2011, 8:25 PM Hi friends, Just got my 3rd nak 600 2 head beauty with the oak veneered cover and all. sounds phenomenal. I wanted to reiterate to all that the 600 (all three of them)came without the well plexiglas cover. I did read here that the 600 did come with the cover, but my experience has been otherwise. The 600 II that I also have did come with this plexiglas glass cover that fits the similarly shaped lid and similarly configured well. 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URL: From davidt124 at internode.on.net Sun Jul 10 07:04:24 2011 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 15:04:24 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] 700ZX-E auto calibration Message-ID: I recently acquired a 700ZX-E deck and it has a couple of issues. It has very low line output to the amplifier while sound comes through headphones OK. I suspect that this is a weak contact somewhere. The bigger issue is that the auto calibration does not complete for TDK SA and MA tapes on the SX and ZS settings. Those letters flash and it does not rewind to zero. It worked once only on the EX setting but not a second time. I would appreciate any advice on how big a job this might be to help me decide whether to persevere with it or return it. It is said to have new belts and is in reasonably good condition. David From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com Sun Jul 10 17:05:38 2011 From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 17:05:38 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 700ZX-E auto calibration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi David, clean heads first. I would look for perfect alignment first . Next would be the replacement from orange cups in the bias Oszilator. Does the Deck erase the tape on SX and ZX ? If the Deck does not record the testtones. It can not go thru the calibration. regards Gerhard Am 10.07.2011 um 07:04 schrieb David Thompson: > I recently acquired a 700ZX-E deck and it has a couple of issues. > It has very low line output to the amplifier while sound comes through > headphones OK. I suspect that this is a weak contact somewhere. > > The bigger issue is that the auto calibration does not complete for > TDK SA > and MA tapes on the SX and ZS settings. Those letters flash and it > does not > rewind to zero. It worked once only on the EX setting but not a > second time. > > I would appreciate any advice on how big a job this might be to > help me > decide whether to persevere with it or return it. It is said to > have new > belts and is in reasonably good condition. > > David > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sun Jul 10 19:40:24 2011 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 10:40:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 700ZX-E auto calibration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1310319624.55038.YahooMailNeo@web33307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> For 700ZXL and 700ZXE both have test tones and their level should be calibrated along with playback level. If not Autocalibration will fail. However Head alignments is the most important ( some extent auto azimuth takes care of record head azimuth to play back head azimuth factor) and next comes the tone osc alignment. From the way the problem described, it looks to me more of Bias oscillator orange cap or bias osc transistor issue as the Bias voltage i not sufficient for Metal and some chrome tape due to the above. He can look at Orange cap article in Naktalk archives and replace the caps and transistor after checking tape erasure might help this case Kannan     From: Gerhard Wartha To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 10:05 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700ZX-E auto calibration Hi David, clean heads first. I would look  for  perfect  alignment first . Next would be the  replacement  from orange cups in the bias Oszilator. Does the Deck erase the tape on SX and ZX ? If the Deck does  not record the testtones. It can not go thru  the calibration. regards Gerhard Am 10.07.2011 um 07:04 schrieb David Thompson: > I recently acquired a 700ZX-E deck and it has a couple of issues. > It has very low line output to the amplifier while sound comes through > headphones OK. I suspect that this is a weak contact somewhere. > > The bigger issue is that the auto calibration does not complete for TDK SA > and MA tapes on the SX and ZS settings. Those letters flash and it does not > rewind to zero. It worked once only on the EX setting but not a second time. > > I would appreciate any advice on how big a job this might be to help me > decide whether to persevere with it or return it. 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I'll recheck the record head and I still don't know why that transistor is so hot. Thanks for the suggestions.   Peter   From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] 581 Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 10:07:19 -1000 Hi Peter,   If the tape guides are not properly aligned it will affect erasure since the erase head won't be properly aligned with the tape. If you have never adjusted the tapes guides then that probably is not the problem--with a big exception. On my old 581 it was the left tape guide that started my ordeal. The tape guide metal stud is supposed to have a tight press-fit into the plastic standoff. When they get old the metal stud can start slipping within the plastic part. When that happens it will mess up the tape guide alignment. If that tape guide asembly is slipping it will need to be repaired or replaced and then the guides need to be properly aligned.    Also, if the record and playback heads are not properly adjusted the deck might be recording/playing outside of the intended track. If that is the case then the erase head may not completely erase everything.   Don't know about the heat issues.   Aloha, Cheryl From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Peter Tanner Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 6:20 AM To: naktalk naktalk Subject: [naktalk] 581 Hi everybody,   I have a 581 that works well but it doesn't erase some tapes entirely. It records and calibrates well though. The two orange caps, C317 and 318 have been changed. I've also noticed that on the other board a big resistor R 407 and Q420, a large NEC transistor, are very hot. The transistor cannot be touched. Only in playback or record. 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URL: From fred at marrscom.com Sun Jul 10 15:42:19 2011 From: fred at marrscom.com (Fred Marrs) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 08:42:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 7-10-11 Pinch Rollers for Nakamichi Classic Transport Message-ID: <4E19AC3B.7090203@marrscom.com> 7-10-11 Nakamichi Classic Transport Pinch Rollers Hello All Members, Quality pinch rollers do not exist in the United States. With all Members input, I will be happy to research having O.E.M. quality pinch rollers Manufactured, with One Condition. NO he said, she said ! If the Members will collectively gather, AND agree on Dimensions, " By Model Number ", on what is needed I will be happy to furnish Price "estimates" and notify the group BEFORE I have them manufactured. If we collectively agree the price I must sell them for is "Reasonable", I will then have them manufactured. Please keep in mind, Delivery of the First Order placed with the Factory will be approximately 90 Days. This MUST be a group effort ! I do not want to repeat "Disagreements" on Dimensions, like we had on the Factory Capstan Belts. Members MUST be in Agreement on Dimensions ! Fred M. From shoeihell at yahoo.com Sun Jul 10 15:46:26 2011 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 06:46:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk]RE:Pinch Rollers classic transport In-Reply-To: <201107101017.p6AA87ru029453@zxe.naks.com> References: <201107101017.p6AA87ru029453@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <1310305586.1898.YahooMailRC@web120719.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I don't know who 'the guy on ebay' is, but Terry Witt (US) can make good quality pinch rollers for anything. He is expensive, but he makes them. Jeff @ESL (US) probably sells them as well. Expecting to pay a few dollars for perishables on a 1000ZXL is not a reasonable perspective. Kevin Message: 1 Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 13:04:00 +0200 From: "Norman van Wijnen" Subject: [naktalk] Pinch Rollers classic transport To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Message-ID: <000e01cc3e27$e86324c0$b9296e40$@van.wijnen at inter.nl.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Guys, I am working at a 1000ZXL of someone here in the Netherlands and the deck is in desparate need of new pinch rollers. On ebay there is a guy who sells them new for 50 euro's . That's a lot of money for these parts i guess. I wonder if we are running in trouble (in the future) with these parts? We can get new idler tires, new belts but no new pinch rollers except from that guy on ebay. Are there other sources we know? Do we have to contact some manifacturer to make them for us? What are the thoughts on Naktalk about this? Regards Norman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If there is another possibility then i would go for it. Maybe Fred Marrs Can make us a great offer. Regards Norman Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens Kevin Fetner Verzonden: zondag 10 juli 2011 15:46 Aan: naktalk at naks.com Onderwerp: [naktalk]RE:Pinch Rollers classic transport I don't know who 'the guy on ebay' is, but Terry Witt (US) can make good quality pinch rollers for anything. He is expensive, but he makes them. Jeff @ESL (US) probably sells them as well. Expecting to pay a few dollars for perishables on a 1000ZXL is not a reasonable perspective. Kevin Message: 1 Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 13:04:00 +0200 From: "Norman van Wijnen" < n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net> Subject: [naktalk] Pinch Rollers classic transport To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Message-ID: <000e01cc3e27$e86324c0$b9296e40$@van.wijnen at inter.nl.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Guys, I am working at a 1000ZXL of someone here in the Netherlands and the deck is in desparate need of new pinch rollers. On ebay there is a guy who sells them new for 50 euro's . That's a lot of money for these parts i guess. I wonder if we are running in trouble (in the future) with these parts? We can get new idler tires, new belts but no new pinch rollers except from that guy on ebay. Are there other sources we know? Do we have to contact some manifacturer to make them for us? What are the thoughts on Naktalk about this? Regards Norman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Expecting to >pay a few dollars for perishables on a 1000ZXL is not a reasonable >perspective. > >Kevin > >Message: 1 >Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 13:04:00 +0200 >From: "Norman van Wijnen" ><n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net> >Subject: [naktalk] Pinch Rollers classic transport >To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" ><naktalk at naks.com> >Message-ID: ><000e01cc3e27$e86324c0$b9296e40$@van.wijnen at inter.nl.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Hi Guys, > > > >I am working at a 1000ZXL of someone here in the Netherlands and the deck >is in desparate need of new pinch rollers. On ebay there is a guy who sells >them new for 50 euro's . That's a lot of money for these parts i guess. I >wonder if we are running in trouble (in the future) with these parts? We can >get new idler tires, new belts but no new pinch rollers except from that guy >on ebay. > > > >Are there other sources we know? Do we have to contact some manifacturer to >make them for us? > > > >What are the thoughts on Naktalk about this? > > > >Regards Norman >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland When momentum meets resistance, push harder. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com Sun Jul 10 22:41:04 2011 From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 22:41:04 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 7-10-11 Pinch Rollers for Nakamichi Classic Transport In-Reply-To: <4E19AC3B.7090203@marrscom.com> References: <4E19AC3B.7090203@marrscom.com> Message-ID: A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMGP6293.jpg Type: application/applefile Size: 66765 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMGP6293.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 298150 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- I did buy New pinch Rollers for ZX- Transport in Japan last year. If you need any dimension I can measure them. The are made of three different Materials in one pinch roller. The " tire" is not strait, like a cylinder. The are like a galloon. The rubber is not just slick, it is rough for better grip. see picture. regards Gerhard Am 10.07.2011 um 15:42 schrieb Fred Marrs: > 7-10-11 > > Nakamichi Classic Transport Pinch Rollers > > > Hello All Members, > > Quality pinch rollers do not exist in the United States. > With all Members input, I will be happy to research having O.E.M. > quality > pinch rollers Manufactured, with One Condition. > > NO he said, she said ! If the Members will collectively gather, > AND agree > on Dimensions, " By Model Number ", on what is needed I will be > happy to furnish > Price "estimates" and notify the group BEFORE I have them > manufactured. > > If we collectively agree the price I must sell them for is > "Reasonable", I will then > have them manufactured. Please keep in mind, Delivery of the First > Order placed > with the Factory will be approximately 90 Days. > > This MUST be a group effort ! I do not want to repeat > "Disagreements" on Dimensions, > like we had on the Factory Capstan Belts. > > Members MUST be in Agreement on Dimensions ! > > Fred M. > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From avss01 at gmail.com Sun Jul 10 23:09:26 2011 From: avss01 at gmail.com (avss01) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 07:09:26 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Pinch Rollers classic transport In-Reply-To: <1310305586.1898.YahooMailRC@web120719.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <201107101017.p6AA87ru029453@zxe.naks.com> <1310305586.1898.YahooMailRC@web120719.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Has anyone tried eBay seller Revox_de? He seems to have pinch rollers for all of the Naks. Personally wouldn't use anything but Fred's belts but if desperate for pinch rollers I wonder if these would be any good. Regards David On Sunday, July 10, 2011, Kevin Fetner wrote: > I don't know who 'the guy on ebay' is, but Terry Witt (US) can make good quality pinch rollers for anything. He is expensive, but he makes them. Jeff @ESL (US) probably sells them as well. Expecting to pay a few dollars for perishables on a 1000ZXL is not a reasonable perspective. > > Kevin From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 11 02:57:42 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 17:57:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 7-10-11 Pinch Rollers for Nakamichi Classic Transport In-Reply-To: <4E19AC3B.7090203@marrscom.com> References: <4E19AC3B.7090203@marrscom.com> Message-ID: <1310345862.80591.YahooMailRC@web160603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Fred, I believe a few good members can provide you with the right set of dimensions. Pinch rollers are very important to keep our Naks running. More often, I see people complicating things by tearing into transports for what could have been a simple lube and change of rollers job. Thus, pinch rollers are worth paying for, and from your belts, I see that prices are reasonable. So despite what 'tsunamis' you may come across, just do it. The silent majority and the serious Nakkers need you and value your effort. Cheers! Bala ________________________________ From: Fred Marrs To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: "A-fred at marrscom.com" Sent: Sun, July 10, 2011 11:42:19 PM Subject: [naktalk] 7-10-11 Pinch Rollers for Nakamichi Classic Transport 7-10-11 Nakamichi Classic Transport Pinch Rollers Hello All Members, Quality pinch rollers do not exist in the United States. With all Members input, I will be happy to research having O.E.M. quality pinch rollers Manufactured, with One Condition. NO he said, she said ! If the Members will collectively gather, AND agree on Dimensions, " By Model Number ", on what is needed I will be happy to furnish Price "estimates" and notify the group BEFORE I have them manufactured. If we collectively agree the price I must sell them for is "Reasonable", I will then have them manufactured. Please keep in mind, Delivery of the First Order placed with the Factory will be approximately 90 Days. This MUST be a group effort ! I do not want to repeat "Disagreements" on Dimensions, like we had on the Factory Capstan Belts. Members MUST be in Agreement on Dimensions ! Fred M. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Mon Jul 11 03:21:18 2011 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 02:21:18 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 7-10-11 Pinch Rollers for Nakamichi Classic Transport In-Reply-To: <4E19AC3B.7090203@marrscom.com> References: <4E19AC3B.7090203@marrscom.com> Message-ID: <7FDBD037-08D7-46CD-83C7-7C48A45B9681@peromarta.org> Dimensions specifically external is pretty much irrelevant. Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. El 10/07/2011, a las 14:42, Fred Marrs escribió: > 7-10-11 > > Nakamichi Classic Transport Pinch Rollers > > > Hello All Members, > > Quality pinch rollers do not exist in the United States. > With all Members input, I will be happy to research having O.E.M. quality > pinch rollers Manufactured, with One Condition. > > NO he said, she said ! If the Members will collectively gather, AND agree > on Dimensions, " By Model Number ", on what is needed I will be happy to furnish > Price "estimates" and notify the group BEFORE I have them manufactured. > > If we collectively agree the price I must sell them for is "Reasonable", I will then > have them manufactured. Please keep in mind, Delivery of the First Order placed > with the Factory will be approximately 90 Days. > > This MUST be a group effort ! I do not want to repeat "Disagreements" on Dimensions, > like we had on the Factory Capstan Belts. > > Members MUST be in Agreement on Dimensions ! > > Fred M. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From luis at peromarta.org Mon Jul 11 03:22:03 2011 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 02:22:03 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 7-10-11 Pinch Rollers for Nakamichi Classic Transport In-Reply-To: <1310345862.80591.YahooMailRC@web160603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <4E19AC3B.7090203@marrscom.com> <1310345862.80591.YahooMailRC@web160603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <41BE09C0-A8D6-41F5-9FC4-E5427F994D56@peromarta.org> +1 ! Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. El 11/07/2011, a las 01:57, Bala Ganesh Chandra escribió: > Fred, > > I believe a few good members can provide you with the right set of dimensions. Pinch rollers are very important to keep our Naks running. More often, I see people complicating things by tearing into transports for what could have been a simple lube and change of rollers job. Thus, pinch rollers are worth paying for, and from your belts, I see that prices are reasonable. So despite what 'tsunamis' you may come across, just do it. The silent majority and the serious Nakkers need you and value your effort. > > Cheers! > Bala > > > From: Fred Marrs > To: naktalk at naks.com > Cc: "A-fred at marrscom.com" > Sent: Sun, July 10, 2011 11:42:19 PM > Subject: [naktalk] 7-10-11 Pinch Rollers for Nakamichi Classic Transport > > 7-10-11 > > Nakamichi Classic Transport Pinch Rollers > > > Hello All Members, > > Quality pinch rollers do not exist in the United States. > With all Members input, I will be happy to research having O.E.M. quality > pinch rollers Manufactured, with One Condition. > > NO he said, she said ! If the Members will collectively gather, AND agree > on Dimensions, " By Model Number ", on what is needed I will be happy to furnish > Price "estimates" and notify the group BEFORE I have them manufactured. > > If we collectively agree the price I must sell them for is "Reasonable", I will then > have them manufactured. Please keep in mind, Delivery of the First Order placed > with the Factory will be approximately 90 Days. > > This MUST be a group effort ! 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URL: From angel9esoteric at gmail.com Mon Jul 11 03:36:54 2011 From: angel9esoteric at gmail.com (MD) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:36:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 7-10-11 Pinch Rollers for Nakamichi Classic Transport In-Reply-To: <1310345862.80591.YahooMailRC@web160603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <4E19AC3B.7090203@marrscom.com> <1310345862.80591.YahooMailRC@web160603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Terryrubberrollers will manufacture a new one to the spec.I used his services a few times in the past.It's much better than order some junk rollers from Japan or China. Best regards,Mike On 7/10/11, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Fred, > > I believe a few good members can provide you with the right set of > dimensions. > Pinch rollers are very important to keep our Naks running. More often, I see > people complicating things by tearing into transports for what could have > been a > simple lube and change of rollers job. Thus, pinch rollers are worth paying > for, > and from your belts, I see that prices are reasonable. So despite what > 'tsunamis' you may come across, just do it. The silent majority and the > serious > Nakkers need you and value your effort. > > > Cheers! > Bala > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Fred Marrs > To: naktalk at naks.com > Cc: "A-fred at marrscom.com" > Sent: Sun, July 10, 2011 11:42:19 PM > Subject: [naktalk] 7-10-11 Pinch Rollers for Nakamichi Classic Transport > > 7-10-11 > > Nakamichi Classic Transport Pinch Rollers > > > Hello All Members, > > Quality pinch rollers do not exist in the United States. > With all Members input, I will be happy to research having O.E.M. quality > pinch rollers Manufactured, with One Condition. > > NO he said, she said ! If the Members will collectively gather, AND agree > on Dimensions, " By Model Number ", on what is needed I will be happy to > furnish > Price "estimates" and notify the group BEFORE I have them manufactured. > > If we collectively agree the price I must sell them for is "Reasonable", I > will > then > have them manufactured. Please keep in mind, Delivery of the First Order > placed > with the Factory will be approximately 90 Days. > > This MUST be a group effort ! I do not want to repeat "Disagreements" on > Dimensions, > like we had on the Factory Capstan Belts. > > Members MUST be in Agreement on Dimensions ! > > Fred M. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 11 05:12:02 2011 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 20:12:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 7-10-11 Pinch Rollers for Nakamichi Classic Transport In-Reply-To: <7FDBD037-08D7-46CD-83C7-7C48A45B9681@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <1310353922.48726.YahooMailClassic@web112711.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Fred, My HO is to not invest in manufacturing  of rollers as rollers can be refurbished by Terry to as good as new condition. it may not make business sense with the amount of orders you may get. I have in my extensive collection yet to see a set of pinch rollers go defunct….. Of course this is my experience. Others may differ. Ram. --- On Sun, 7/10/11, Luis Peromarta Regert wrote: From: Luis Peromarta Regert Subject: Re: [naktalk] 7-10-11 Pinch Rollers for Nakamichi Classic Transport To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Cc: "naktalk at naks.com" , "A-fred at marrscom.com" Date: Sunday, July 10, 2011, 9:21 PM Dimensions specifically external is pretty much irrelevant. Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. El 10/07/2011, a las 14:42, Fred Marrs escribió: > 7-10-11 > > Nakamichi Classic Transport Pinch Rollers > > > Hello All Members, > > Quality pinch rollers do not exist in the United States. > With all Members input, I will be happy to research having O.E.M. quality > pinch rollers Manufactured, with One Condition. > > NO he said, she said !   If the Members will collectively gather, AND agree > on Dimensions,  " By Model Number ",  on what is needed I will be happy to furnish > Price "estimates" and notify the group BEFORE I have them manufactured. > > If we collectively agree the price I must sell them for is "Reasonable", I will then > have them manufactured. Please keep in mind, Delivery of the First Order placed > with the Factory will be approximately 90 Days. > > This MUST be a group effort !  I do not want to repeat "Disagreements" on Dimensions, > like we had on the Factory Capstan Belts. > > Members MUST be in Agreement on Dimensions ! > > Fred M. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Mon Jul 11 05:08:48 2011 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 20:08:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk]RE:Pinch Rollers classic transport Message-ID: <1310353728.98180.YahooMailRC@web120707.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Norman, Terry Witt makes pinch rollers for Studers and anything of quality. If you guys want to reinvent the wheel, go right ahead. It would make better sense to contact him, discuss the materials used by the factory and the CORRECT dimensions. This shouldn't have to be done by a testy 'group' of fanatics that basically, can't agree on what day of the week it is. He advertises his prices online and they should come in way under $50 for cassette pinch rollers, Nak or otherwise. My bet is that he's made them for Nak folks and has the dimension on file already. Cheers, Kevin Message: 6 Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 23:26:50 +0200 From: "Norman van Wijnen" Subject: RE: [naktalk]RE:Pinch Rollers classic transport To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Message-ID: <002a01cc3f48$14efd940$3ecf8bc0$@van.wijnen at inter.nl.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Kevin, As far as i know all the pinch rollers for classic transports are the same. So a pinch roller for a N480 cost the same as one for the 1000ZXL. The guy on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.nl/Nakamichi-1000-ZXL-Limited-Andruckrollen-pinch-roller-/13 0314135842?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_77 &hash=item1e5753e922 We talk about 50 euro + 5 euro sending makes 55 euro -> 78 dollar. Thats a lot of money for a deck where also all belts and orange caps has to be replaced. The pinch roller in the advertisement are imitation pinch rollers. If there is another possibility then i would go for it. Maybe Fred Marrs Can make us a great offer. 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Yuri On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Ron wrote: > > One you install the mu-metal shield, please > post your results. > > TIA, > > -- Ron > > > --- On Wed, 7/6/11, Yuri Regelman wrote: > >> From: Yuri Regelman >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Hum >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> Date: Wednesday, July 6, 2011, 2:01 PM >> Jeff, >> Thank you for confirming this!!!  This was my lead >> theory after >> chasing my tail for quite some time. >> I already have a couple of sheets of mu-metal shielding on >> order. >> Sounds like that should take care of the problem. >> I did not quite want to believe that with all the >> perfectionism in >> Nakamichi's design they'll let something trivial like that >> affect their flagship decks... >> Yuri >> >> On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 9:46 AM,  >> wrote: >> > Hi Ron, Yuri Fred, Robert and the other Naktalkers, >> > >> > Many different Nakamichi models, especially the >> 220/240 volt units, Dragons, >> > 1000ZXL and the 480 series have this hum issue caused >> by the power >> > transformer's electromagnetic field radiating into the >> playback head.  It's >> > easily resolved by adding a magnetic shield around >> the power transformer. >> > This has been our standard modification procedure >> since these machines were >> > new.  Some of the newer Nakamichi transformers came >> with the shield already >> > attached to it. >> > >> > >> > Jeff Galin >> > >> > "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! >> > ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS >> > 1807 Berlin Turnpike >> > Wethersfield, Connecticut  06109  USA >> > By Appointment M-F 9AM to 5PM EST >> > Telephone 860-529-3700 >> >  jeff at nakamichi.us >> jeff at eslabs.com >> >                  www.nakamichi.us >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: Ron >> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> > Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 9:45 AM >> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Hum >> > >> >> Could it be that the power supply transformer is >> radiating >> >> that much EMF that it is reaching the playback >> head? >> > >> > Possible, but doubtful. Two things I would >> > check are the the line filtering cap. and >> > the PB head grounding/mounting. >> > >> > -- Ron >> > >> > >> > >> > --- On Mon, 7/4/11, Yuri Regelman >> wrote: >> > >> >> From: Yuri Regelman >> >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Hum >> >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> >> Date: Monday, July 4, 2011, 5:43 PM >> >> I've been trying to find the source >> >> of this hum for a while. As I've >> >> been going through the cap replacements, and >> various other >> >> upgrades I >> >> never did find an electrical reason (such as ac >> ripple in >> >> the power >> >> supply, or loose ground connection, bad shield, >> etc. >> >> ) Yesterday I >> >> finally had a hunch: what if the playback head is >> >> legitimately >> >> picking up the signal... Sure enough, I took one >> of >> >> those metal >> >> shields you find inside a cassette and brought it >> real >> >> close to the >> >> front of the playback head, resting it on the >> pressure pad >> >> lifter, and >> >> the noise went away.. >> >> So it must be EMF induced. To make sure the EMF >> is >> >> not coming from >> >> the DD motor I disconnected it from the power >> supply, but >> >> that did not >> >> help. >> >> Could it be that the power supply transformer is >> radiating >> >> that much >> >> EMF that it is reaching the playback head? >> >> Yuri >> >> >> >> So now the question is: what can be generating >> that much >> >> EMF >> >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Fred Longworth >> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> > Tighten all pc-to-chassis grounds. >> >> > >> >> > Check all the output jacks for weak or open >> >> connections on the ground side. >> >> > >> >> > Check all voltage regulators with a voltmeter >> and an >> >> oscilloscope. >> >> > >> >> > Check power supply filter capacitors to see >> if one or >> >> more of them is >> >> > beginning to open up -- very common. >> >> > >> >> > Verify that the shielding on the signal >> cables from >> >> the head assembly is >> >> > intact. Do not use a regular ohmmeter for >> this check. >> >> > >> >> > Fred >> >> > >> >> > Fred Longworth MBA, CHMM >> >> > Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 >> >> > 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F >> >> > San Diego, CA 92116 >> >> > (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 >> >> > Fax: (619) 282-7872 >> >> > classicaudiorepair at gmail.com >> >> > stereo1 at cox.net >> >> > www.repairaudio.com >> >> > >> >> > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 8:02 AM, R Kent >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Yuri, >> >> >> Try isolating your Dragon physically from >> your >> >> other gear by 12" or so and >> >> >> see if the AC hum goes away. The Dragon >> is known >> >> to be particularly >> >> >> susceptible to AC hum. I had a similar >> problem a >> >> few years ago and was >> >> >> able >> >> >> to solve it by re-arranging my stack of >> gear to >> >> separate the Dragon >> >> >> further >> >> >> from power supply components in my other >> >> components. >> >> >> Robert Kent >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Yuri Regelman >> >> >> Subject: [naktalk] humming Dragon >> >> >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> >> >> Message-ID: >> >> >> >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; >> charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> >> >> >> >> Hello Nak Gurus, >> >> >> I'm trying to troubleshoot a problem with >> my >> >> Dragon, and I'm hoping to >> >> >> glimpse some insights from you. >> >> >> The issue is that it is producing very >> slight AC >> >> noise in playback mode. >> >> >> The problem is only noticeable >> >> >> while playing silent portions of tape at >> high >> >> volumes. None of my other >> >> >> decks CR-7, RX-505 and ZX-7 exhibit any >> of AC type >> >> noise. >> >> >> So, while I am definitely nit-picking, >> and the >> >> issue is unnoticeable in >> >> >> normal use, it seems like it should not >> be there >> >> at all in a deck of this >> >> >> caliber. >> >> >> I've looked at the power supply rails on >> the amp >> >> board with a scope and >> >> >> don't see any AC ripple. The grounding >> wires seem >> >> to be properly attached, >> >> >> playback head wiring seems properly >> routed... >> >> nothing too obvious. >> >> >> >> >> >> I did stock all the large caps and I'm >> planning to >> >> replace them soon. But >> >> >> before I blindly charge ahead changing >> >> electrolytic caps hoping the issue >> >> >> would go away, >> >> >> I'd like to try to find the root cause. >> >> >> So my question is: do Dragons have some >> usual >> >> trouble spots that may >> >> >> result >> >> >> in AC hum being injected into the >> playback, and >> >> what are good ways to >> >> >> troubleshoot something like that? >> >> >> >> >> >> Any input is highly appreciated. >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> Yuri >> > >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >                        Naktalk at naks.com >> mailinglist >> > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>           Also check out the wiki! >> http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >>         Naktalk at naks.com >> mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From jerry.mcphail at gmail.com Mon Jul 11 08:21:33 2011 From: jerry.mcphail at gmail.com (Jerry McPhail) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 01:21:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Pinch Rollers classic transport In-Reply-To: References: <201107101017.p6AA87ru029453@zxe.naks.com> <1310305586.1898.YahooMailRC@web120719.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes, I bought a pinch roller from him for my Nakamichi 1000 and my Revox A77 Mk. II suitcase r-to-r. Very good pinch roller, perfect quality, worked just as well as the originel pinch rollers. On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 4:09 PM, avss01 wrote: > Hi > > Has anyone tried eBay seller Revox_de? He seems to have pinch rollers > for all of the Naks. Personally wouldn't use anything but Fred's > belts but if desperate for pinch rollers I wonder if these would be > any good. > > Regards > > David > > On Sunday, July 10, 2011, Kevin Fetner wrote: > > I don't know who 'the guy on ebay' is, but Terry Witt (US) can make good > quality pinch rollers for anything. He is expensive, but he makes them. Jeff > @ESL (US) probably sells them as well. Expecting to pay a few dollars for > perishables on a 1000ZXL is not a reasonable perspective. > > > > Kevin > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Jerry McPhail McPhail & Dunn Photography -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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He advertises > his prices online and they should come in way under $50 for cassette pinch > rollers, Nak or otherwise. My bet is that he's made them for Nak folks and > has the dimension on file already. > > Cheers, > Kevin > > > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 23:26:50 +0200 > From: "Norman van Wijnen" > Subject: RE: [naktalk]RE:Pinch Rollers classic transport > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Message-ID: <002a01cc3f48$14efd940$3ecf8bc0$@van.wijnen at inter.nl.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > Hi Kevin, > > > > > As far as i know all the pinch rollers for classic transports are the > same. So a pinch roller for a N480 cost the same as one for the 1000ZXL. > > > The guy on ebay: > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.nl/Nakamichi-1000-ZXL-Limited-Andruckrollen-pinch-roller- > /13 > 0314135842?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_77 > /1 > 30314135842?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_77&hash=item1e5753e922> > &hash=item1e5753e922 > > > > > We talk about 50 euro + 5 euro sending makes 55 euro -> 78 dollar. Thats > a lot of money for a deck where also all belts and orange caps has to be > replaced. > > The pinch roller in the advertisement are imitation pinch rollers. If > there is another possibility then i would go for it. Maybe Fred Marrs > > Can make us a great offer. > > > > > Regards Norman > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 11 11:00:29 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 02:00:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk]RE:Pinch Rollers classic transport In-Reply-To: <1310353728.98180.YahooMailRC@web120707.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1310353728.98180.YahooMailRC@web120707.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1310374829.31394.YahooMailRC@web160609.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Nakkers, who endeavor to keep the machines going for little personal gain, do not deserve such labels. Terry is good and well respected. And so is Fred with his belts. Obviously, the rollers are not going to make anyone rich - but we need them. And if a fellow Naktalker is putting up such an effort, why not support him? Why cut him down? I am glad Fred surmounted the initial barrage of criticisms to keep his belts going - they are so depended upon today. The discussion and arguments are good in a way because it leads to a replacement that works as good as the originals. Few weeks ago, I met a Naktalker whose experience is my age. Here were two people, from different cultures, different countries and different eras, sitting on the same table and exchanging ideas on an equal manner - that's the beauty of this group. Go get em 'Fred! Cheers! Bala P.S : I don't get any free belts or rollers for my posts. ________________________________ From: Kevin Fetner To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Mon, July 11, 2011 1:08:48 PM Subject: [naktalk]RE:Pinch Rollers classic transport Norman, Terry Witt makes pinch rollers for Studers and anything of quality. If you guys want to reinvent the wheel, go right ahead. It would make better sense to contact him, discuss the materials used by the factory and the CORRECT dimensions. This shouldn't have to be done by a testy 'group' of fanatics that basically, can't agree on what day of the week it is. He advertises his prices online and they should come in way under $50 for cassette pinch rollers, Nak or otherwise. My bet is that he's made them for Nak folks and has the dimension on file already. Cheers, Kevin Message: 6 Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 23:26:50 +0200 From: "Norman van Wijnen" Subject: RE: [naktalk]RE:Pinch Rollers classic transport To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Message-ID: <002a01cc3f48$14efd940$3ecf8bc0$@van.wijnen at inter.nl.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Kevin, As far as i know all the pinch rollers for classic transports are the same. So a pinch roller for a N480 cost the same as one for the 1000ZXL. The guy on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.nl/Nakamichi-1000-ZXL-Limited-Andruckrollen-pinch-roller-/13 0314135842?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_77 &hash=item1e5753e922 We talk about 50 euro + 5 euro sending makes 55 euro -> 78 dollar. Thats a lot of money for a deck where also all belts and orange caps has to be replaced. The pinch roller in the advertisement are imitation pinch rollers. If there is another possibility then i would go for it. Maybe Fred Marrs Can make us a great offer. Regards Norman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net Mon Jul 11 12:04:01 2011 From: N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net (N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:04:01 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk]RE:Pinch Rollers classic transport In-Reply-To: <1310374829.31394.YahooMailRC@web160609.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1310353728.98180.YahooMailRC@web120707.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1310374829.31394.YahooMailRC@web160609.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3181.145.44.29.96.1310378641.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> I agree , Bala Very glad to have Fred making the belts for our classic Naks. I believe Terry will do a great job but why restoration of a pinch roller if there is a way to deliver new ones. Don't see the point. I hope Fred will go into this business and delivers us the same quality as his belt kits. Norman Op Ma, 11 juli, 2011 11:00 am schreef Bala Ganesh Chandra: > Nakkers, who endeavor to keep the machines going for little personal > gain, do not deserve such labels. Terry is good and well respected. And so > is Fred with his belts. Obviously, the rollers are not going to make > anyone rich - but we need them. And if a fellow Naktalker is putting up > such an effort, why not support him? Why cut him down? I am glad Fred > surmounted the initial barrage of criticisms to keep his belts going - > they are so depended upon today. The discussion and arguments are good in > a way because it leads to a replacement that works as good as the > originals. Few weeks ago, I met a Naktalker whose experience is my age. > Here were two people, from different cultures, different > countries and different eras, sitting on the same table and exchanging > ideas on an equal manner - that's the beauty of this group. > > > > Go get em 'Fred! > > > Cheers! > Bala > > > P.S : I don't get any free belts or rollers for my posts. > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Kevin Fetner > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Mon, July 11, 2011 1:08:48 PM > Subject: [naktalk]RE:Pinch Rollers classic transport > > > > Norman, > Terry Witt makes pinch rollers for Studers and anything of quality. If you > guys want to reinvent the wheel, go right ahead. It would make better > sense to contact him, discuss the materials used by the factory and the > CORRECT > dimensions. This shouldn't have to be done by a testy 'group' of fanatics > that basically, can't agree on what day of the week it is. He advertises > his prices online and they should come in way under $50 for cassette pinch > rollers, Nak or otherwise. My bet is that he's made them for Nak folks and > has the dimension on file already. > > Cheers, > Kevin > > > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 23:26:50 +0200 > From: "Norman van Wijnen" > Subject: RE: [naktalk]RE:Pinch Rollers classic transport > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Message-ID: <002a01cc3f48$14efd940$3ecf8bc0$@van.wijnen at inter.nl.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > Hi Kevin, > > > > > As far as i know all the pinch rollers for classic transports are the > same. So a pinch roller for a N480 cost the same as one for the 1000ZXL. > > > The guy on ebay: > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.nl/Nakamichi-1000-ZXL-Limited-Andruckrollen-pinch-roller- > /13 > 0314135842?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_77 > /1 > 30314135842?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_77&hash=item1e5753e922> > &hash=item1e5753e922 > > > > > We talk about 50 euro + 5 euro sending makes 55 euro -> 78 dollar. Thats > a lot of money for a deck where also all belts and orange caps has to be > replaced. > > The pinch roller in the advertisement are imitation pinch rollers. If > there is another possibility then i would go for it. Maybe Fred Marrs > > Can make us a great offer. > > > > > Regards Norman > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From davidt124 at internode.on.net Mon Jul 11 12:56:33 2011 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 20:56:33 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] 700ZX-E issues Message-ID: Thanks to Gerhard and Kannan for your advice on 700ZX-E alignment. I am getting a local tech (in Cairns, Australia) to look at it and do a quote for me and the seller. He has done good work on other things and has past experience of Nak decks. This morning I found that the left pinch roller is not coming up and that suggests that a good service is needed. David >Message: 1 >Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 17:05:38 +0200 >From: Gerhard Wartha >Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700ZX-E auto calibration >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Hi David, >clean heads first. >I would look for perfect alignment first . Next would be the >replacement from orange cups in the bias Oszilator. >Does the Deck erase the tape on SX and ZX ? >If the Deck does not record the testtones. It can not go thru the >calibration. >regards >Gerhard Am 10.07.2011 um 07:04 schrieb David Thompson: > I recently acquired a 700ZX-E deck and it has a couple of issues. > It has very low line output to the amplifier while sound comes through > headphones OK. I suspect that this is a weak contact somewhere. > > The bigger issue is that the auto calibration does not complete for > TDK SA > and MA tapes on the SX and ZS settings. Those letters flash and it > does not > rewind to zero. It worked once only on the EX setting but not a > second time. > > I would appreciate any advice on how big a job this might be to > help me > decide whether to persevere with it or return it. It is said to > have new > belts and is in reasonably good condition. > > David ------------------------------ >Message: 2 >Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 10:40:24 -0700 (PDT) >From: kannan srinivasaraghavan >Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700ZX-E auto calibration >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >For 700ZXL and 700ZXE >both have test tones and their level should be calibrated along with playback level. If not Autocalibration will fail. However Head alignments is the most important ( some extent auto azimuth takes care of record head azimuth to play back head azimuth factor) and next comes the tone osc alignment. >From the way the problem described, it looks to me more of Bias oscillator orange cap or bias osc transistor issue as the Bias voltage i not sufficient for Metal and some chrome tape due to the above. He can look at Orange cap article in Naktalk archives and replace the caps and transistor after checking tape erasure might help this case >Kannan   From N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net Mon Jul 11 15:22:22 2011 From: N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net (N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 15:22:22 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk]RE:Pinch Rollers classic transport In-Reply-To: <1310353728.98180.YahooMailRC@web120707.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1310353728.98180.YahooMailRC@web120707.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4532.145.44.29.96.1310390542.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> Hi all, I have had contact with Terry Witt. To repair one pinch roller we talk about 35 dollar . Shipment inside US 5 dollar. That makes 75 dollar inside US for one Nakamichi . Outside US the shipment would be higher i think. Regards Norman Op Ma, 11 juli, 2011 5:08 am schreef Kevin Fetner: > Norman, > Terry Witt makes pinch rollers for Studers and anything of quality. If you > guys want to reinvent the wheel, go right ahead. It would make better > sense to contact him, discuss the materials used by the factory and the > CORRECT > dimensions. This shouldn't have to be done by a testy 'group' of fanatics > that basically, can't agree on what day of the week it is. He advertises > his prices online and they should come in way under $50 for cassette pinch > rollers, Nak or otherwise. My bet is that he's made them for Nak folks and > has the dimension on file already. > > Cheers, > Kevin > > > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 23:26:50 +0200 > From: "Norman van Wijnen" > Subject: RE: [naktalk]RE:Pinch Rollers classic transport > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Message-ID: <002a01cc3f48$14efd940$3ecf8bc0$@van.wijnen at inter.nl.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > Hi Kevin, > > > > > As far as i know all the pinch rollers for classic transports are the > same. So a pinch roller for a N480 cost the same as one for the 1000ZXL. > > > The guy on ebay: > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.nl/Nakamichi-1000-ZXL-Limited-Andruckrollen-pinch-roller- > /13 > 0314135842?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_77 > /1 > 30314135842?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_77&hash=item1e5753e922> > &hash=item1e5753e922 > > > > > We talk about 50 euro + 5 euro sending makes 55 euro -> 78 dollar. Thats > a lot of money for a deck where also all belts and orange caps has to be > replaced. > > The pinch roller in the advertisement are imitation pinch rollers. If > there is another possibility then i would go for it. Maybe Fred Marrs > > Can make us a great offer. > > > > > Regards Norman > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 11 16:10:43 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 07:10:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk]RE:Pinch Rollers classic transport In-Reply-To: <4532.145.44.29.96.1310390542.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> References: <1310353728.98180.YahooMailRC@web120707.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4532.145.44.29.96.1310390542.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> Message-ID: <1310393443.54510.YahooMailRC@web160617.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Norman, Does $35 include reworking the bearing in the center? Cheers! Bala ________________________________ From: "N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net" To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Mon, July 11, 2011 11:22:22 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk]RE:Pinch Rollers classic transport Hi all, I have had contact with Terry Witt. To repair one pinch roller we talk about 35 dollar . Shipment inside US 5 dollar. That makes 75 dollar inside US for one Nakamichi . Outside US the shipment would be higher i think. Regards Norman Op Ma, 11 juli, 2011 5:08 am schreef Kevin Fetner: > Norman, > Terry Witt makes pinch rollers for Studers and anything of quality. If you > guys want to reinvent the wheel, go right ahead. It would make better > sense to contact him, discuss the materials used by the factory and the > CORRECT > dimensions. This shouldn't have to be done by a testy 'group' of fanatics > that basically, can't agree on what day of the week it is. He advertises > his prices online and they should come in way under $50 for cassette pinch > rollers, Nak or otherwise. My bet is that he's made them for Nak folks and > has the dimension on file already. > > Cheers, > Kevin > > > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 23:26:50 +0200 > From: "Norman van Wijnen" > Subject: RE: [naktalk]RE:Pinch Rollers classic transport > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Message-ID: <002a01cc3f48$14efd940$3ecf8bc0$@van.wijnen at inter.nl.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > Hi Kevin, > > > > > As far as i know all the pinch rollers for classic transports are the > same. So a pinch roller for a N480 cost the same as one for the 1000ZXL. > > > The guy on ebay: > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.nl/Nakamichi-1000-ZXL-Limited-Andruckrollen-pinch-roller- > /13 > 0314135842?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_77 > /1 > 30314135842?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_77&hash=item1e5753e922> > &hash=item1e5753e922 > > > > > We talk about 50 euro + 5 euro sending makes 55 euro -> 78 dollar. Thats > a lot of money for a deck where also all belts and orange caps has to be > replaced. > > The pinch roller in the advertisement are imitation pinch rollers. If > there is another possibility then i would go for it. 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URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Mon Jul 11 19:11:15 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 10:11:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Hum In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1310404275.32432.YahooMailClassic@web130112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks for the update. I must say, I'm surprised at the results (though, good for you!). IME, shielding the power transformer (not in a Dragon, though) did nothing. We live and learn :-). -- Ron --- On Mon, 7/11/11, Yuri Regelman wrote: > From: Yuri Regelman > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Hum > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Monday, July 11, 2011, 1:39 AM > Glad to report that the shield did > the trick.  I used Ultraperm 80 > from http://www.goldmine-elec-products.com/prodinfo.asp?number=G16600A > One sheet was enough to wrap the transformer in a couple > of layers. > The noise has been reduced dramatically. > Yuri > > On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Ron > wrote: > > > > One you install the mu-metal shield, please > > post your results. > > > > TIA, > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > --- On Wed, 7/6/11, Yuri Regelman > wrote: > > > >> From: Yuri Regelman > >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Hum > >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >> Date: Wednesday, July 6, 2011, 2:01 PM > >> Jeff, > >> Thank you for confirming this!!!  This was my > lead > >> theory after > >> chasing my tail for quite some time. > >> I already have a couple of sheets of mu-metal > shielding on > >> order. > >> Sounds like that should take care of the problem. > >> I did not quite want to believe that with all the > >> perfectionism in > >> Nakamichi's design they'll let something trivial > like that > >> affect their flagship decks... > >> Yuri > >> > >> On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 9:46 AM,  > >> wrote: > >> > Hi Ron, Yuri Fred, Robert and the other > Naktalkers, > >> > > >> > Many different Nakamichi models, especially > the > >> 220/240 volt units, Dragons, > >> > 1000ZXL and the 480 series have this > hum issue caused > >> by the power > >> > transformer's electromagnetic field radiating > into the > >> playback head.  It's > >> > easily resolved by adding a magnetic > shield around > >> the power transformer. > >> > This has been our standard modification > procedure > >> since these machines were > >> > new.  Some of the newer Nakamichi > transformers came > >> with the shield already > >> > attached to it. > >> > > >> > > >> > Jeff Galin > >> > > >> > "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! > >> > ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS > >> > 1807 Berlin Turnpike > >> > Wethersfield, Connecticut  06109  USA > >> > By Appointment M-F 9AM to 5PM EST > >> > Telephone 860-529-3700 > >> >  jeff at nakamichi.us > >> jeff at eslabs.com > >> >                  > www.nakamichi.us > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: Ron > >> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >> > Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 9:45 AM > >> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Hum > >> > > >> >> Could it be that the power supply > transformer is > >> radiating > >> >> that much EMF that it is reaching the > playback > >> head? > >> > > >> > Possible, but doubtful. Two things I would > >> > check are the the line filtering cap. and > >> > the PB head grounding/mounting. > >> > > >> > -- Ron > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > --- On Mon, 7/4/11, Yuri Regelman > >> wrote: > >> > > >> >> From: Yuri Regelman > >> >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Hum > >> >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > >> >> Date: Monday, July 4, 2011, 5:43 PM > >> >> I've been trying to find the source > >> >> of this hum for a while. As I've > >> >> been going through the cap replacements, > and > >> various other > >> >> upgrades I > >> >> never did find an electrical reason (such > as ac > >> ripple in > >> >> the power > >> >> supply, or loose ground connection, bad > shield, > >> etc. > >> >> ) Yesterday I > >> >> finally had a hunch: what if the playback > head is > >> >> legitimately > >> >> picking up the signal... Sure enough, I > took one > >> of > >> >> those metal > >> >> shields you find inside a cassette and > brought it > >> real > >> >> close to the > >> >> front of the playback head, resting it on > the > >> pressure pad > >> >> lifter, and > >> >> the noise went away.. > >> >> So it must be EMF induced. To make sure > the EMF > >> is > >> >> not coming from > >> >> the DD motor I disconnected it from the > power > >> supply, but > >> >> that did not > >> >> help. > >> >> Could it be that the power supply > transformer is > >> radiating > >> >> that much > >> >> EMF that it is reaching the playback > head? > >> >> Yuri > >> >> > >> >> So now the question is: what can be > generating > >> that much > >> >> EMF > >> >> > >> >> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Fred > Longworth > >> >> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > Tighten all pc-to-chassis grounds. > >> >> > > >> >> > Check all the output jacks for weak > or open > >> >> connections on the ground side. > >> >> > > >> >> > Check all voltage regulators with a > voltmeter > >> and an > >> >> oscilloscope. > >> >> > > >> >> > Check power supply filter capacitors > to see > >> if one or > >> >> more of them is > >> >> > beginning to open up -- very > common. > >> >> > > >> >> > Verify that the shielding on the > signal > >> cables from > >> >> the head assembly is > >> >> > intact. Do not use a regular > ohmmeter for > >> this check. > >> >> > > >> >> > Fred > >> >> > > >> >> > Fred Longworth MBA, CHMM > >> >> > Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 > >> >> > 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F > >> >> > San Diego, CA 92116 > >> >> > (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 > >> >> > Fax: (619) 282-7872 > >> >> > classicaudiorepair at gmail.com > >> >> > stereo1 at cox.net > >> >> > www.repairaudio.com > >> >> > > >> >> > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 8:02 AM, R > Kent > >> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Yuri, > >> >> >> Try isolating your Dragon > physically from > >> your > >> >> other gear by 12" or so and > >> >> >> see if the AC hum goes away. The > Dragon > >> is known > >> >> to be particularly > >> >> >> susceptible to AC hum. I had a > similar > >> problem a > >> >> few years ago and was > >> >> >> able > >> >> >> to solve it by re-arranging my > stack of > >> gear to > >> >> separate the Dragon > >> >> >> further > >> >> >> from power supply components in > my other > >> >> components. > >> >> >> Robert Kent > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> From: Yuri Regelman > >> >> >> Subject: [naktalk] humming > Dragon > >> >> >> To: naktalk at naks.com > >> >> >> Message-ID: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; > >> charset="iso-8859-1" > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Hello Nak Gurus, > >> >> >> I'm trying to troubleshoot a > problem with > >> my > >> >> Dragon, and I'm hoping to > >> >> >> glimpse some insights from you. > >> >> >> The issue is that it is > producing very > >> slight AC > >> >> noise in playback mode. > >> >> >> The problem is only noticeable > >> >> >> while playing silent portions of > tape at > >> high > >> >> volumes. None of my other > >> >> >> decks CR-7, RX-505 and ZX-7 > exhibit any > >> of AC type > >> >> noise. > >> >> >> So, while I am definitely > nit-picking, > >> and the > >> >> issue is unnoticeable in > >> >> >> normal use, it seems like it > should not > >> be there > >> >> at all in a deck of this > >> >> >> caliber. > >> >> >> I've looked at the power supply > rails on > >> the amp > >> >> board with a scope and > >> >> >> don't see any AC ripple. The > grounding > >> wires seem > >> >> to be properly attached, > >> >> >> playback head wiring seems > properly > >> routed... > >> >> nothing too obvious. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> I did stock all the large caps > and I'm > >> planning to > >> >> replace them soon. But > >> >> >> before I blindly charge ahead > changing > >> >> electrolytic caps hoping the issue > >> >> >> would go away, > >> >> >> I'd like to try to find the root > cause. > >> >> >> So my question is: do Dragons > have some > >> usual > >> >> trouble spots that may > >> >> >> result > >> >> >> in AC hum being injected into > the > >> playback, and > >> >> what are good ways to > >> >> >> troubleshoot something like > that? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Any input is highly > appreciated. > >> >> >> Cheers, > >> >> >> Yuri > >> > > >> > > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > >> > > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> >                        Naktalk at naks.com > >> mailinglist > >> > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > > >> > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>           Also check out the wiki! > >> http://www.naks.com/wiki > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > >>         Naktalk at naks.com > >> mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >                        Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >           Also check out the wiki! > http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                 >         Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Jul 11 20:05:26 2011 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 11:05:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Hum In-Reply-To: References: <1309988555.10190.YahooMailClassic@web130115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1310407526.49281.YahooMailNeo@web33302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Yuri good technique - did the hum completely eliminated or reduced ? how many layers were used? kannan From: Yuri Regelman To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 12:39 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Hum Glad to report that the shield did the trick.  I used Ultraperm 80 from http://www.goldmine-elec-products.com/prodinfo.asp?number=G16600A One sheet was enough to wrap the transformer in a couple of layers. The noise has been reduced dramatically. Yuri On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Ron wrote: > > One you install the mu-metal shield, please > post your results. > > TIA, > > -- Ron > > > --- On Wed, 7/6/11, Yuri Regelman wrote: > >> From: Yuri Regelman >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Hum >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> Date: Wednesday, July 6, 2011, 2:01 PM >> Jeff, >> Thank you for confirming this!!!  This was my lead >> theory after >> chasing my tail for quite some time. >> I already have a couple of sheets of mu-metal shielding on >> order. >> Sounds like that should take care of the problem. >> I did not quite want to believe that with all the >> perfectionism in >> Nakamichi's design they'll let something trivial like that >> affect their flagship decks... >> Yuri >> >> On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 9:46 AM,  >> wrote: >> > Hi Ron, Yuri Fred, Robert and the other Naktalkers, >> > >> > Many different Nakamichi models, especially the >> 220/240 volt units, Dragons, >> > 1000ZXL and the 480 series have this hum issue caused >> by the power >> > transformer's electromagnetic field radiating into the >> playback head.  It's >> > easily resolved by adding a magnetic shield around >> the power transformer. >> > This has been our standard modification procedure >> since these machines were >> > new.  Some of the newer Nakamichi transformers came >> with the shield already >> > attached to it. >> > >> > >> > Jeff Galin >> > >> > "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! >> > ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS >> > 1807 Berlin Turnpike >> > Wethersfield, Connecticut  06109  USA >> > By Appointment M-F 9AM to 5PM EST >> > Telephone 860-529-3700 >> >  jeff at nakamichi.us >> jeff at eslabs.com >> >                  www.nakamichi.us >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: Ron >> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> > Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 9:45 AM >> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Hum >> > >> >> Could it be that the power supply transformer is >> radiating >> >> that much EMF that it is reaching the playback >> head? >> > >> > Possible, but doubtful. Two things I would >> > check are the the line filtering cap. and >> > the PB head grounding/mounting. >> > >> > -- Ron >> > >> > >> > >> > --- On Mon, 7/4/11, Yuri Regelman >> wrote: >> > >> >> From: Yuri Regelman >> >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Hum >> >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> >> Date: Monday, July 4, 2011, 5:43 PM >> >> I've been trying to find the source >> >> of this hum for a while. As I've >> >> been going through the cap replacements, and >> various other >> >> upgrades I >> >> never did find an electrical reason (such as ac >> ripple in >> >> the power >> >> supply, or loose ground connection, bad shield, >> etc. >> >> ) Yesterday I >> >> finally had a hunch: what if the playback head is >> >> legitimately >> >> picking up the signal... Sure enough, I took one >> of >> >> those metal >> >> shields you find inside a cassette and brought it >> real >> >> close to the >> >> front of the playback head, resting it on the >> pressure pad >> >> lifter, and >> >> the noise went away.. >> >> So it must be EMF induced. To make sure the EMF >> is >> >> not coming from >> >> the DD motor I disconnected it from the power >> supply, but >> >> that did not >> >> help. >> >> Could it be that the power supply transformer is >> radiating >> >> that much >> >> EMF that it is reaching the playback head? >> >> Yuri >> >> >> >> So now the question is: what can be generating >> that much >> >> EMF >> >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Fred Longworth >> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> > Tighten all pc-to-chassis grounds. >> >> > >> >> > Check all the output jacks for weak or open >> >> connections on the ground side. >> >> > >> >> > Check all voltage regulators with a voltmeter >> and an >> >> oscilloscope. >> >> > >> >> > Check power supply filter capacitors to see >> if one or >> >> more of them is >> >> > beginning to open up -- very common. >> >> > >> >> > Verify that the shielding on the signal >> cables from >> >> the head assembly is >> >> > intact. Do not use a regular ohmmeter for >> this check. >> >> > >> >> > Fred >> >> > >> >> > Fred Longworth MBA, CHMM >> >> > Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 >> >> > 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F >> >> > San Diego, CA 92116 >> >> > (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 >> >> > Fax: (619) 282-7872 >> >> > classicaudiorepair at gmail.com >> >> > stereo1 at cox.net >> >> > www.repairaudio.com >> >> > >> >> > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 8:02 AM, R Kent >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Yuri, >> >> >> Try isolating your Dragon physically from >> your >> >> other gear by 12" or so and >> >> >> see if the AC hum goes away. The Dragon >> is known >> >> to be particularly >> >> >> susceptible to AC hum. I had a similar >> problem a >> >> few years ago and was >> >> >> able >> >> >> to solve it by re-arranging my stack of >> gear to >> >> separate the Dragon >> >> >> further >> >> >> from power supply components in my other >> >> components. >> >> >> Robert Kent >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Yuri Regelman >> >> >> Subject: [naktalk] humming Dragon >> >> >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> >> >> Message-ID: >> >> >> >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; >> charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> >> >> >> >> Hello Nak Gurus, >> >> >> I'm trying to troubleshoot a problem with >> my >> >> Dragon, and I'm hoping to >> >> >> glimpse some insights from you. >> >> >> The issue is that it is producing very >> slight AC >> >> noise in playback mode. >> >> >> The problem is only noticeable >> >> >> while playing silent portions of tape at >> high >> >> volumes. None of my other >> >> >> decks CR-7, RX-505 and ZX-7 exhibit any >> of AC type >> >> noise. >> >> >> So, while I am definitely nit-picking, >> and the >> >> issue is unnoticeable in >> >> >> normal use, it seems like it should not >> be there >> >> at all in a deck of this >> >> >> caliber. >> >> >> I've looked at the power supply rails on >> the amp >> >> board with a scope and >> >> >> don't see any AC ripple. The grounding >> wires seem >> >> to be properly attached, >> >> >> playback head wiring seems properly >> routed... >> >> nothing too obvious. >> >> >> >> >> >> I did stock all the large caps and I'm >> planning to >> >> replace them soon. But >> >> >> before I blindly charge ahead changing >> >> electrolytic caps hoping the issue >> >> >> would go away, >> >> >> I'd like to try to find the root cause. >> >> >> So my question is: do Dragons have some >> usual >> >> trouble spots that may >> >> >> result >> >> >> in AC hum being injected into the >> playback, and >> >> what are good ways to >> >> >> troubleshoot something like that? >> >> >> >> >> >> Any input is highly appreciated. >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> Yuri >> > >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >                        Naktalk at naks.com >> mailinglist >> > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>           Also check out the wiki! >> http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >>         Naktalk at naks.com >> mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yregelman at gmail.com Mon Jul 11 22:15:20 2011 From: yregelman at gmail.com (Yuri Regelman) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 13:15:20 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Hum In-Reply-To: <1310407526.49281.YahooMailNeo@web33302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <1309988555.10190.YahooMailClassic@web130115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1310407526.49281.YahooMailNeo@web33302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'd say the hum was eliminated with a caveat... The caveat is that there is a trace amount of hum noticeable when I do A/B comparison on playback between the Dragon and ZX-9 with no tape in the well. However that hum is really low (noticeable using headphones and the volume turned up all the way up) and it does not go away when I place a magnetic shield directly on the playback head which suggests to me that it is not caused by EMI, but supply ripple or a small float in the ground. So with that in mind, I'd say that the EMI specific hum was eliminated. I used two layers of the stuff. yuri On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 11:05 AM, kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > Hi Yuri > good technique - did the hum completely eliminated or reduced ? > how many layers were used? > kannan > From: Yuri Regelman > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 12:39 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Hum > > Glad to report that the shield did the trick.  I used Ultraperm 80 > from http://www.goldmine-elec-products.com/prodinfo.asp?number=G16600A > One sheet was enough to wrap the transformer in a couple of layers. > The noise has been reduced dramatically. > Yuri > > On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Ron wrote: >> >> One you install the mu-metal shield, please >> post your results. >> >> TIA, >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> --- On Wed, 7/6/11, Yuri Regelman wrote: >> >>> From: Yuri Regelman >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Hum >>> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>> Date: Wednesday, July 6, 2011, 2:01 PM >>> Jeff, >>> Thank you for confirming this!!!  This was my lead >>> theory after >>> chasing my tail for quite some time. >>> I already have a couple of sheets of mu-metal shielding on >>> order. >>> Sounds like that should take care of the problem. >>> I did not quite want to believe that with all the >>> perfectionism in >>> Nakamichi's design they'll let something trivial like that >>> affect their flagship decks... >>> Yuri >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 9:46 AM,  >>> wrote: >>> > Hi Ron, Yuri Fred, Robert and the other Naktalkers, >>> > >>> > Many different Nakamichi models, especially the >>> 220/240 volt units, Dragons, >>> > 1000ZXL and the 480 series have this hum issue caused >>> by the power >>> > transformer's electromagnetic field radiating into the >>> playback head.  It's >>> > easily resolved by adding a magnetic shield around >>> the power transformer. >>> > This has been our standard modification procedure >>> since these machines were >>> > new.  Some of the newer Nakamichi transformers came >>> with the shield already >>> > attached to it. >>> > >>> > >>> > Jeff Galin >>> > >>> > "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! >>> > ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS >>> > 1807 Berlin Turnpike >>> > Wethersfield, Connecticut  06109  USA >>> > By Appointment M-F 9AM to 5PM EST >>> > Telephone 860-529-3700 >>> >  jeff at nakamichi.us >>> jeff at eslabs.com >>> >                  www.nakamichi.us >>> > >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: Ron >>> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> > Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 9:45 AM >>> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Hum >>> > >>> >> Could it be that the power supply transformer is >>> radiating >>> >> that much EMF that it is reaching the playback >>> head? >>> > >>> > Possible, but doubtful. Two things I would >>> > check are the the line filtering cap. and >>> > the PB head grounding/mounting. >>> > >>> > -- Ron >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > --- On Mon, 7/4/11, Yuri Regelman >>> wrote: >>> > >>> >> From: Yuri Regelman >>> >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Hum >>> >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>> >> Date: Monday, July 4, 2011, 5:43 PM >>> >> I've been trying to find the source >>> >> of this hum for a while. As I've >>> >> been going through the cap replacements, and >>> various other >>> >> upgrades I >>> >> never did find an electrical reason (such as ac >>> ripple in >>> >> the power >>> >> supply, or loose ground connection, bad shield, >>> etc. >>> >> ) Yesterday I >>> >> finally had a hunch: what if the playback head is >>> >> legitimately >>> >> picking up the signal... Sure enough, I took one >>> of >>> >> those metal >>> >> shields you find inside a cassette and brought it >>> real >>> >> close to the >>> >> front of the playback head, resting it on the >>> pressure pad >>> >> lifter, and >>> >> the noise went away.. >>> >> So it must be EMF induced. To make sure the EMF >>> is >>> >> not coming from >>> >> the DD motor I disconnected it from the power >>> supply, but >>> >> that did not >>> >> help. >>> >> Could it be that the power supply transformer is >>> radiating >>> >> that much >>> >> EMF that it is reaching the playback head? >>> >> Yuri >>> >> >>> >> So now the question is: what can be generating >>> that much >>> >> EMF >>> >> >>> >> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Fred Longworth >>> >> >>> >> wrote: >>> >> > Tighten all pc-to-chassis grounds. >>> >> > >>> >> > Check all the output jacks for weak or open >>> >> connections on the ground side. >>> >> > >>> >> > Check all voltage regulators with a voltmeter >>> and an >>> >> oscilloscope. >>> >> > >>> >> > Check power supply filter capacitors to see >>> if one or >>> >> more of them is >>> >> > beginning to open up -- very common. >>> >> > >>> >> > Verify that the shielding on the signal >>> cables from >>> >> the head assembly is >>> >> > intact. Do not use a regular ohmmeter for >>> this check. >>> >> > >>> >> > Fred >>> >> > >>> >> > Fred Longworth MBA, CHMM >>> >> > Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 >>> >> > 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F >>> >> > San Diego, CA 92116 >>> >> > (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 >>> >> > Fax: (619) 282-7872 >>> >> > classicaudiorepair at gmail.com >>> >> > stereo1 at cox.net >>> >> > www.repairaudio.com >>> >> > >>> >> > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 8:02 AM, R Kent >>> >>> >> wrote: >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Yuri, >>> >> >> Try isolating your Dragon physically from >>> your >>> >> other gear by 12" or so and >>> >> >> see if the AC hum goes away. The Dragon >>> is known >>> >> to be particularly >>> >> >> susceptible to AC hum. I had a similar >>> problem a >>> >> few years ago and was >>> >> >> able >>> >> >> to solve it by re-arranging my stack of >>> gear to >>> >> separate the Dragon >>> >> >> further >>> >> >> from power supply components in my other >>> >> components. >>> >> >> Robert Kent >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> From: Yuri Regelman >>> >> >> Subject: [naktalk] humming Dragon >>> >> >> To: naktalk at naks.com >>> >> >> Message-ID: >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; >>> charset="iso-8859-1" >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Hello Nak Gurus, >>> >> >> I'm trying to troubleshoot a problem with >>> my >>> >> Dragon, and I'm hoping to >>> >> >> glimpse some insights from you. >>> >> >> The issue is that it is producing very >>> slight AC >>> >> noise in playback mode. >>> >> >> The problem is only noticeable >>> >> >> while playing silent portions of tape at >>> high >>> >> volumes. None of my other >>> >> >> decks CR-7, RX-505 and ZX-7 exhibit any >>> of AC type >>> >> noise. >>> >> >> So, while I am definitely nit-picking, >>> and the >>> >> issue is unnoticeable in >>> >> >> normal use, it seems like it should not >>> be there >>> >> at all in a deck of this >>> >> >> caliber. >>> >> >> I've looked at the power supply rails on >>> the amp >>> >> board with a scope and >>> >> >> don't see any AC ripple. The grounding >>> wires seem >>> >> to be properly attached, >>> >> >> playback head wiring seems properly >>> routed... >>> >> nothing too obvious. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> I did stock all the large caps and I'm >>> planning to >>> >> replace them soon. But >>> >> >> before I blindly charge ahead changing >>> >> electrolytic caps hoping the issue >>> >> >> would go away, >>> >> >> I'd like to try to find the root cause. >>> >> >> So my question is: do Dragons have some >>> usual >>> >> trouble spots that may >>> >> >> result >>> >> >> in AC hum being injected into the >>> playback, and >>> >> what are good ways to >>> >> >> troubleshoot something like that? >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Any input is highly appreciated. >>> >> >> Cheers, >>> >> >> Yuri >>> > >>> > >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> > >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >                        Naktalk at naks.com >>> mailinglist >>> > Maintain your account here: >>> > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> > >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> > >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>           Also check out the wiki! >>> http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>>         Naktalk at naks.com >>> mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From jberger at well.com Mon Jul 11 22:28:39 2011 From: jberger at well.com (John Berger) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 13:28:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Picked up a garage sale Nak 730 with some problems In-Reply-To: <115452001.1560.1310415654213.JavaMail.root@zimbra.well.com> Message-ID: <1534236256.1577.1310416119393.JavaMail.root@zimbra.well.com> I picked up a Nak 730 receiver at a garage sale this weekend. It had the remote and remote receiver as well, and I got the Nak, an ADS R1 receiver and C2 cassette (the Braun-designed one with the big tray that slides out) for $120 total. First, the good news about the Nak. It's in good physical condition, and the touch buttons (and remote buttons) and motors all seem to work. The Nak has a couple of issues, though. First, when tuning stations to the lower frequencies, the motor doesn't stop when it gets to the far left of the dial, but continues to run, clicking. I expect that there's some sort of limit switch that's not getting triggered to stop it. Second, when sending a signal to the power amp inputs, I only get output from one channel (left, i believe). Tried swapping the input cables, but the problem stayed with no output from the left channel. Third, the output is muted, whether through headphones or speakers. If the volume is run up all the way, the output can be heard faintly. Pressing the mute drops the level, as does switching to a different input or tape monitor loop. The problem occurs regardless of whether the input is the built-in tuner or a CD through the AUX input. I haven't opened it yet, but will be this week. I checked the wiki, but didn't find a 730 service manual, so i figured I'd ask here if anyone they could pass on. From jerry.mcphail at gmail.com Tue Jul 12 03:42:02 2011 From: jerry.mcphail at gmail.com (Jerry McPhail) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 20:42:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk]RE:Pinch Rollers classic transport In-Reply-To: <1310393443.54510.YahooMailRC@web160617.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1310353728.98180.YahooMailRC@web120707.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4532.145.44.29.96.1310390542.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> <1310393443.54510.YahooMailRC@web160617.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: no doubt Fred makes the best nakamichi belts and excellent belts overall. Bala's "support the group" rationale makes sense on the surface, but by the same token the ebay seller in germany has also invested time and money to make pinch rollers for Revox and other brands too. he's a legend among Revox folk, which is why I got the pinch roller from him. it was better than the Revox pinch roller. so I bought the pinch roller for my Nak 1000 fro him too to save on shipping. I had Terry redo the idler roller for my Dual 1219 and he used the original bearing, but I also had him redo the pinch roller for my Wollensak T-1500 and Tascam 25-2. He used the original bearing on the "Woolie" but he rebuilt the bearing on the Tascam's pinch roller. The quality of all of Terry's rebuilds I got far Exceeded the quality of the OEM parts! Highly recommended! On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 9:10 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Norman, > > Does $35 include reworking the bearing in the center? > > Cheers! > Bala > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* "N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net" > > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Mon, July 11, 2011 11:22:22 PM > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk]RE:Pinch Rollers classic transport > > Hi all, > > I have had contact with Terry Witt. > To repair one pinch roller we talk about 35 dollar . Shipment inside US 5 > dollar. That makes 75 dollar inside US for one Nakamichi . Outside US the > shipment would be higher i think. > > Regards Norman > > > Op Ma, 11 juli, 2011 5:08 am schreef Kevin Fetner: > > Norman, > > Terry Witt makes pinch rollers for Studers and anything of quality. If > you > > guys want to reinvent the wheel, go right ahead. It would make better > > sense to contact him, discuss the materials used by the factory and the > > CORRECT > > dimensions. This shouldn't have to be done by a testy 'group' of fanatics > > that basically, can't agree on what day of the week it is. He advertises > > his prices online and they should come in way under $50 for cassette > pinch > > rollers, Nak or otherwise. My bet is that he's made them for Nak folks > and > > has the dimension on file already. > > > > Cheers, > > Kevin > > > > > > > > Message: 6 > > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 23:26:50 +0200 > > From: "Norman van Wijnen" > > Subject: RE: [naktalk]RE:Pinch Rollers classic transport > > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > > Message-ID: <002a01cc3f48$14efd940$3ecf8bc0$@van.wijnen at inter.nl.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > > > Hi Kevin, > > > > > > > > > > As far as i know all the pinch rollers for classic transports are the > > same. So a pinch roller for a N480 cost the same as one for the 1000ZXL. > > > > > > The guy on ebay: > > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.nl/Nakamichi-1000-ZXL-Limited-Andruckrollen-pinch-roller > - > > /13 > > 0314135842?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_77 > > < > http://cgi.ebay.nl/Nakamichi-1000-ZXL-Limited-Andruckrollen-pinch-roller- > > /1 > > 30314135842?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_77&hash=item1e5753e922> > > &hash=item1e5753e922 > > > > > > > > > > We talk about 50 euro + 5 euro sending makes 55 euro -> 78 dollar. Thats > > a lot of money for a deck where also all belts and orange caps has to be > > replaced. > > > > The pinch roller in the advertisement are imitation pinch rollers. If > > there is another possibility then i would go for it. Maybe Fred Marrs > > > > Can make us a great offer. > > > > > > > > > > Regards Norman > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Jerry McPhail McPhail & Dunn Photography -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net Tue Jul 12 15:14:57 2011 From: N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net (N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 15:14:57 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk]RE:Pinch Rollers classic transport In-Reply-To: <1310393443.54510.YahooMailRC@web160617.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1310353728.98180.YahooMailRC@web120707.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4532.145.44.29.96.1310390542.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> <1310393443.54510.YahooMailRC@web160617.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4280.145.44.29.96.1310476497.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> Hi Bala, The $35 covers rubber replacement only. I wonder how this job is done. It doesn' t sound easy to replace that rubber. Regards Norman Op Ma, 11 juli, 2011 4:10 pm schreef Bala Ganesh Chandra: > Norman, > > > Does $35 include reworking the bearing in the center? > > > Cheers! > Bala > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net" > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Mon, July 11, 2011 11:22:22 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk]RE:Pinch Rollers classic transport > > > Hi all, > > > I have had contact with Terry Witt. > To repair one pinch roller we talk about 35 dollar . Shipment inside US 5 > dollar. That makes 75 dollar inside US for one Nakamichi . Outside US the > shipment would be higher i think. > > Regards Norman > > > > Op Ma, 11 juli, 2011 5:08 am schreef Kevin Fetner: > >> Norman, >> Terry Witt makes pinch rollers for Studers and anything of quality. If >> you guys want to reinvent the wheel, go right ahead. It would make >> better sense to contact him, discuss the materials used by the factory >> and the CORRECT >> dimensions. This shouldn't have to be done by a testy 'group' of >> fanatics that basically, can't agree on what day of the week it is. He >> advertises his prices online and they should come in way under $50 for >> cassette pinch rollers, Nak or otherwise. My bet is that he's made them >> for Nak folks and has the dimension on file already. >> >> Cheers, >> Kevin >> >> >> >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 23:26:50 +0200 >> From: "Norman van Wijnen" >> Subject: RE: [naktalk]RE:Pinch Rollers classic transport >> To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >> Message-ID: <002a01cc3f48$14efd940$3ecf8bc0$@van.wijnen at inter.nl.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> >> >> Hi Kevin, >> >> >> >> >> >> As far as i know all the pinch rollers for classic transports are the >> same. So a pinch roller for a N480 cost the same as one for the 1000ZXL. >> >> >> >> The guy on ebay: >> >> >> >> >> >> http://cgi.ebay.nl/Nakamichi-1000-ZXL-Limited-Andruckrollen-pinch-rolle >> r- /13 >> 0314135842?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_77 >> > r- /1 >> 30314135842?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_77&hash=item1e5753e922> >> &hash=item1e5753e922 >> >> >> >> >> >> We talk about 50 euro + 5 euro sending makes 55 euro -> 78 dollar. >> Thats >> a lot of money for a deck where also all belts and orange caps has to be >> replaced. >> >> The pinch roller in the advertisement are imitation pinch rollers. If >> there is another possibility then i would go for it. Maybe Fred Marrs >> >> Can make us a great offer. >> >> >> >> >> >> Regards Norman >> ========---------------------------------------------------------======= >> == >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------======= >> == >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------====== >> === >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------======== > = > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------======== > = > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 12 16:17:47 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 07:17:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk]RE:Pinch Rollers classic transport In-Reply-To: <4280.145.44.29.96.1310476497.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> References: <1310353728.98180.YahooMailRC@web120707.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4532.145.44.29.96.1310390542.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> <1310393443.54510.YahooMailRC@web160617.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4280.145.44.29.96.1310476497.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> Message-ID: <1310480267.41805.YahooMailRC@web160606.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hi Norman, Replacing the rubber on a pinch roller is no easy task. Makes the amount well worth for the work being done, and for how important the rollers are to the decks. However, just as important as replacing the rubber, it is also important that the bearing is taken care of also. I have mentioned before that that the center of the Nak roller is a sintered bronze bearing that releases lubricant when it is running and warm. This lubricant is then absorbed back into the bearing once the roller stops running. The process continues every time we use the deck. Applying oil to the bearing only helps a short while because the position of this bearing is in the middle of the capstan shaft, thus leaving it open at both ends. Thus, there is no way for the bearing to retain the new lubricant that we put in. Other bearing designs, even open thrust bearings allow a certain amount of lubricant retention. Sleeve bearings are an exception because the shaft passes through them and we have little control of the flow of the lubricant (which in our case has to be a viscous type). Eventually dust and particles will only clog up this area, requiring us to put in more oil to keep it going. The sintered bearing design solves this problem very nicely, which is why its used as a sleeve bearing in motors and other small load bearing shaft applications. The problem is further exacerbated because the original lubricant stored in the bearing also absorbs dirt and stores it in the bearing. To see how bad it is, check out this page where the old oil is forces out of a Nakamichi 700ZXL capstan bearing. ( http://nakamichi700zxl.blogspot.com/ ) More then putting new oil into the bearing, it is important to install fresh bearings with fresh lubricants so that the lubricant cycle can be re-established and optimal performance can be obtained from the pinch rollers. Bear in mind that the pinch rollers in a Nak maintain tape speed AND tape tension across the heads, like Teac/TASCAM reel to reels. Cheers! Bala ________________________________ From: "N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net" To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, July 12, 2011 11:14:57 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk]RE:Pinch Rollers classic transport Hi Bala, The $35 covers rubber replacement only. I wonder how this job is done. It doesn' t sound easy to replace that rubber. Regards Norman Op Ma, 11 juli, 2011 4:10 pm schreef Bala Ganesh Chandra: > Norman, > > > Does $35 include reworking the bearing in the center? > > > Cheers! > Bala > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net" > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Mon, July 11, 2011 11:22:22 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk]RE:Pinch Rollers classic transport > > > Hi all, > > > I have had contact with Terry Witt. > To repair one pinch roller we talk about 35 dollar . Shipment inside US 5 > dollar. That makes 75 dollar inside US for one Nakamichi . Outside US the > shipment would be higher i think. > > Regards Norman > > > > Op Ma, 11 juli, 2011 5:08 am schreef Kevin Fetner: > >> Norman, >> Terry Witt makes pinch rollers for Studers and anything of quality. If >> you guys want to reinvent the wheel, go right ahead. It would make >> better sense to contact him, discuss the materials used by the factory >> and the CORRECT >> dimensions. This shouldn't have to be done by a testy 'group' of >> fanatics that basically, can't agree on what day of the week it is. He >> advertises his prices online and they should come in way under $50 for >> cassette pinch rollers, Nak or otherwise. My bet is that he's made them >> for Nak folks and has the dimension on file already. >> >> Cheers, >> Kevin >> >> >> >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 23:26:50 +0200 >> From: "Norman van Wijnen" >> Subject: RE: [naktalk]RE:Pinch Rollers classic transport >> To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >> Message-ID: <002a01cc3f48$14efd940$3ecf8bc0$@van.wijnen at inter.nl.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> >> >> Hi Kevin, >> >> >> >> >> >> As far as i know all the pinch rollers for classic transports are the >> same. So a pinch roller for a N480 cost the same as one for the 1000ZXL. >> >> >> >> The guy on ebay: >> >> >> >> >> >> http://cgi.ebay.nl/Nakamichi-1000-ZXL-Limited-Andruckrollen-pinch-rolle >> r- /13 >> 0314135842?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_77 >> > r- /1 >> 30314135842?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_77&hash=item1e5753e922> >> &hash=item1e5753e922 >> >> >> >> >> >> We talk about 50 euro + 5 euro sending makes 55 euro -> 78 dollar. >> Thats >> a lot of money for a deck where also all belts and orange caps has to be >> replaced. >> >> The pinch roller in the advertisement are imitation pinch rollers. If >> there is another possibility then i would go for it. Maybe Fred Marrs >> >> Can make us a great offer. >> >> >> >> >> >> Regards Norman >> ========---------------------------------------------------------======= >> == >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------======= >> == >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------====== >> === >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------======== > = > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------======== > = > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Tue Jul 12 17:45:11 2011 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 08:45:11 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Picked up a garage sale Nak 730 with some problems In-Reply-To: <1534236256.1577.1310416119393.JavaMail.root@zimbra.well.com> References: <115452001.1560.1310415654213.JavaMail.root@zimbra.well.com> <1534236256.1577.1310416119393.JavaMail.root@zimbra.well.com> Message-ID: I have a 730 service manual but it's huge and I don't have any way to scan it right now. Before you open up the unit you need to know the "trick" which will prevent you from removing lots of screws in the attempt to get inside. The right side panel is the key. You'll find a hole (originally filled with a plug but it may be missing) on the back panel just inside the right (from the front) panel. Inside the hole you'll find the head of a #2 JIS screw. Turn it counterclockwise a few turns and you'll see the right panel begin to move toward the rear. When it's far enough back it will unclip and pull off revealing three screws which hold on that side of the top panel. Best of luck. Willy On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 1:28 PM, John Berger wrote: > I picked up a Nak 730 receiver at a garage sale this weekend. It had the > remote and remote receiver as well, and I got the Nak, an ADS R1 receiver > and C2 cassette (the Braun-designed one with the big tray that slides out) > for $120 total. > > First, the good news about the Nak. It's in good physical condition, and > the touch buttons (and remote buttons) and motors all seem to work. The Nak > has a couple of issues, though. > > First, when tuning stations to the lower frequencies, the motor doesn't > stop when it gets to the far left of the dial, but continues to run, > clicking. I expect that there's some sort of limit switch that's not > getting triggered to stop it. > > Second, when sending a signal to the power amp inputs, I only get output > from one channel (left, i believe). Tried swapping the input cables, but > the problem stayed with no output from the left channel. > > Third, the output is muted, whether through headphones or speakers. If the > volume is run up all the way, the output can be heard faintly. Pressing the > mute drops the level, as does switching to a different input or tape monitor > loop. The problem occurs regardless of whether the input is the built-in > tuner or a CD through the AUX input. > > I haven't opened it yet, but will be this week. 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URL: From r1seals at yahoo.com Wed Jul 13 16:23:16 2011 From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 07:23:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 7-10-11 Pinch Rollers for Nakamichi Classic Transport In-Reply-To: <4E19AC3B.7090203@marrscom.com> Message-ID: <1310566996.18648.YahooMailClassic@web113313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> HI Fred  ya know if anyone can do this you can, when I talk to you back in 2007 about join this group because my thinking was that you could make a contribution with your belts I had no Idea that you would be raked over the coals.  If you do decide to have these made at the very least have the people that work on these give you the measurements. all the best to you  Russ  --- On Sun, 7/10/11, Fred Marrs wrote: From: Fred Marrs Subject: [naktalk] 7-10-11 Pinch Rollers for Nakamichi Classic Transport To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: "A-fred at marrscom.com" Date: Sunday, July 10, 2011, 8:42 AM 7-10-11 Nakamichi Classic Transport Pinch Rollers Hello All Members, Quality pinch rollers do not exist in the United States. With all Members input, I will be happy to research having O.E.M. quality pinch rollers Manufactured, with One Condition. NO he said, she said !   If the Members will collectively gather, AND agree on Dimensions,  " By Model Number ",  on what is needed I will be happy to furnish Price "estimates" and notify the group BEFORE I have them manufactured. If we collectively agree the price I must sell them for is "Reasonable", I will then have them manufactured. Please keep in mind, Delivery of the First Order placed with the Factory will be approximately 90 Days. This MUST be a group effort !  I do not want to repeat "Disagreements" on Dimensions, like we had on the Factory Capstan Belts. Members MUST be in Agreement on Dimensions ! 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The problem only seems to occur when playing a tape from the beginning of Side A, whether with a new or old tape. Should I Fast Forward about 1 minutes into the tape it will play perfectly all the way through to the end and from the beginning of Side B all the way through to the end (it does this consistantly with a variety of tapes). This is a really strange problem and doesn't occur on any of my other Cassette Players including my 700-ZXE and 700-ZXL. I've checked the take up torque on both the forward and rewind reels when playing a tape and it's within factory spec. I took a close look at the tape from the leader section through to the recordable part of the tape while forwarding it with a pencil manually (while holding it in my hands) and I noticed that the tape path deviates slightly when transistioning from the leader part to the recordable part. Could the Sony deck really be that sensitive and is there something I can adjust? I've got some pictures of the transport here and it all looks good :- http://www.flickr.com/photos/42434267 at N02/5438944542/in/set-72157625906209121/ Has anyone had a similar problem like this before? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Greg Sent from my iPad From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Wed Jul 13 21:59:22 2011 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 13:59:22 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Sony TC-K990ES Eating Tapes In-Reply-To: <478DA307-5EFD-4354-B7A4-52B24EEA1ED1@me.com> References: <478DA307-5EFD-4354-B7A4-52B24EEA1ED1@me.com> Message-ID: <000001cc4197$5c27c880$14775980$@math.utah.edu> How are the pinch rollers? No groves? Or Valleys? The photos looks like there might be some ridges. Vic -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Gregory Botha Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 12:44 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Sony TC-K990ES Eating Tapes Hi Guy, Sorry about this post not being about a Nakamichi deck but I thought I would take a chance. I have a Sony TC-K990ES which despite my best efforts to clean and inspect the transport seems to consistantly eat my tapes. The problem only seems to occur when playing a tape from the beginning of Side A, whether with a new or old tape. Should I Fast Forward about 1 minutes into the tape it will play perfectly all the way through to the end and from the beginning of Side B all the way through to the end (it does this consistantly with a variety of tapes). This is a really strange problem and doesn't occur on any of my other Cassette Players including my 700-ZXE and 700-ZXL. I've checked the take up torque on both the forward and rewind reels when playing a tape and it's within factory spec. I took a close look at the tape from the leader section through to the recordable part of the tape while forwarding it with a pencil manually (while holding it in my hands) and I noticed that the tape path deviates slightly when transistioning from the leader part to the recordable part. Could the Sony deck really be that sensitive and is there something I can adjust? I've got some pictures of the transport here and it all looks good :- http://www.flickr.com/photos/42434267 at N02/5438944542/in/set-7215762590620912 1/ Has anyone had a similar problem like this before? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Greg Sent from my iPad ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Wed Jul 13 22:01:38 2011 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 14:01:38 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Sony TC-K990ES Eating Tapes In-Reply-To: <478DA307-5EFD-4354-B7A4-52B24EEA1ED1@me.com> References: <478DA307-5EFD-4354-B7A4-52B24EEA1ED1@me.com> Message-ID: <000201cc4197$acb98bd0$062ca370$@math.utah.edu> Your tape guide might be off as well. The wear marks are close to the edge on your takeup pinch roller Vic -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Gregory Botha Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 12:44 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Sony TC-K990ES Eating Tapes Hi Guy, Sorry about this post not being about a Nakamichi deck but I thought I would take a chance. I have a Sony TC-K990ES which despite my best efforts to clean and inspect the transport seems to consistantly eat my tapes. The problem only seems to occur when playing a tape from the beginning of Side A, whether with a new or old tape. Should I Fast Forward about 1 minutes into the tape it will play perfectly all the way through to the end and from the beginning of Side B all the way through to the end (it does this consistantly with a variety of tapes). This is a really strange problem and doesn't occur on any of my other Cassette Players including my 700-ZXE and 700-ZXL. I've checked the take up torque on both the forward and rewind reels when playing a tape and it's within factory spec. I took a close look at the tape from the leader section through to the recordable part of the tape while forwarding it with a pencil manually (while holding it in my hands) and I noticed that the tape path deviates slightly when transistioning from the leader part to the recordable part. Could the Sony deck really be that sensitive and is there something I can adjust? I've got some pictures of the transport here and it all looks good :- http://www.flickr.com/photos/42434267 at N02/5438944542/in/set-7215762590620912 1/ Has anyone had a similar problem like this before? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Greg Sent from my iPad ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From jerry.mcphail at gmail.com Thu Jul 14 03:12:02 2011 From: jerry.mcphail at gmail.com (Jerry McPhail) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 20:12:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk]RE:Pinch Rollers classic transport In-Reply-To: <1310480267.41805.YahooMailRC@web160606.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1310353728.98180.YahooMailRC@web120707.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4532.145.44.29.96.1310390542.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> <1310393443.54510.YahooMailRC@web160617.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4280.145.44.29.96.1310476497.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> <1310480267.41805.YahooMailRC@web160606.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The rubber is replaced by first cutting off the old rubber and thoroughly cleaning the bearing. Next, a "blank" is turned on a lathe: the "blank" is bored out undersized for the bearing, then gently heated and the bearing inserted with a ram. After cooling, the outside diameter is turned on the lathe, and the surface is precisely milled with an abrasive band under precise tension. The finished rubber roller is given a flnal cleaning with a rubber cleaner, packaged and sent to the customer. When I was a teen, I made the rubber rollers and rubber idlers for Voice of Music who at the time made record changers and tape recorders. In the Army, I once had the task of rebuilding rubber rollers and idlers for the turntables (made by Newcomb) and tape recorders (made by Magncorder and Ampex) when spares were delayed in shipment on one occasion. Using the Motor Pool's lathe wasn't as easy as using the custom-made for-the-purpose lathe that the V-M factory had. On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 9:17 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Norman, > > Replacing the rubber on a pinch roller is no easy task. Makes the amount > well worth for the work being done, and for how important the rollers are to > the decks. However, just as important as replacing the rubber, it is also > important that the bearing is taken care of also. I have mentioned before > that that the center of the Nak roller is a sintered bronze bearing that > releases lubricant when it is running and warm. This lubricant is then > absorbed back into the bearing once the roller stops running. The process > continues every time we use the deck. > > Applying oil to the bearing only helps a short while because the position > of this bearing is in the middle of the capstan shaft, thus leaving it open > at both ends. Thus, there is no way for the bearing to retain the new > lubricant that we put in. Other bearing designs, even open thrust bearings > allow a certain amount of lubricant retention. Sleeve bearings are an > exception because the shaft passes through them and we have little control > of the flow of the lubricant (which in our case has to be a viscous type). > Eventually dust and particles will only clog up this area, requiring us to > put in more oil to keep it going. The sintered bearing design solves this > problem very nicely, which is why its used as a sleeve bearing in motors and > other small load bearing shaft applications. The problem is further > exacerbated because the original lubricant stored in the bearing also > absorbs dirt and stores it in the bearing. To see how bad it is, check out > this page where the old oil is forces out of a Nakamichi 700ZXL capstan > bearing. ( http://nakamichi700zxl.blogspot.com/ ) > > More then putting new oil into the bearing, it is important to install > fresh bearings with fresh lubricants so that the lubricant cycle can be > re-established and optimal performance can be obtained from the pinch > rollers. Bear in mind that the pinch rollers in a Nak maintain tape speed > AND tape tension across the heads, like Teac/TASCAM reel to reels. > > Cheers! > Bala > > ------------------------------ > *From:* "N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net" > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Tue, July 12, 2011 11:14:57 PM > > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk]RE:Pinch Rollers classic transport > > Hi Bala, > > The $35 covers rubber replacement only. > > I wonder how this job is done. It doesn' t sound easy to replace that > rubber. > > Regards Norman > > > > Op Ma, 11 juli, 2011 4:10 pm schreef Bala Ganesh Chandra: > > Norman, > > > > > > Does $35 include reworking the bearing in the center? > > > > > > Cheers! > > Bala > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: "N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net" > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Sent: Mon, July 11, 2011 11:22:22 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk]RE:Pinch Rollers classic transport > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > I have had contact with Terry Witt. > > To repair one pinch roller we talk about 35 dollar . Shipment inside US 5 > > dollar. That makes 75 dollar inside US for one Nakamichi . Outside US the > > shipment would be higher i think. > > > > Regards Norman > > > > > > > > Op Ma, 11 juli, 2011 5:08 am schreef Kevin Fetner: > > > >> Norman, > >> Terry Witt makes pinch rollers for Studers and anything of quality. If > >> you guys want to reinvent the wheel, go right ahead. It would make > >> better sense to contact him, discuss the materials used by the factory > >> and the CORRECT > >> dimensions. This shouldn't have to be done by a testy 'group' of > >> fanatics that basically, can't agree on what day of the week it is. He > >> advertises his prices online and they should come in way under $50 for > >> cassette pinch rollers, Nak or otherwise. My bet is that he's made them > >> for Nak folks and has the dimension on file already. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Kevin > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Message: 6 > >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 23:26:50 +0200 > >> From: "Norman van Wijnen" > >> Subject: RE: [naktalk]RE:Pinch Rollers classic transport > >> To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > >> Message-ID: <002a01cc3f48$14efd940$3ecf8bc0$@van.wijnen at inter.nl.net> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >> > >> > >> > >> Hi Kevin, > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> As far as i know all the pinch rollers for classic transports are the > >> same. So a pinch roller for a N480 cost the same as one for the 1000ZXL. > >> > >> > >> > >> The guy on ebay: > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> http://cgi.ebay.nl/Nakamichi-1000-ZXL-Limited-Andruckrollen-pinch-rolle > >> r- /13 > >> 0314135842?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_77 > >> < > http://cgi.ebay.nl/Nakamichi-1000-ZXL-Limited-Andruckrollen-pinch-rolle > >> r- /1 > >> 30314135842?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_77&hash=item1e5753e922> > >> &hash=item1e5753e922 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> We talk about 50 euro + 5 euro sending makes 55 euro -> 78 dollar. > >> Thats > >> a lot of money for a deck where also all belts and orange caps has to be > >> replaced. > >> > >> The pinch roller in the advertisement are imitation pinch rollers. If > >> there is another possibility then i would go for it. Maybe Fred Marrs > >> > >> Can make us a great offer. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Regards Norman > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------======= > >> == > >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------======= > >> == > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------====== > >> === > >> > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------======== > > = > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------======== > > = > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Jerry McPhail McPhail & Dunn Photography -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerry.mcphail at gmail.com Thu Jul 14 03:14:05 2011 From: jerry.mcphail at gmail.com (Jerry McPhail) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 20:14:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk]RE:Pinch Rollers classic transport In-Reply-To: References: <1310353728.98180.YahooMailRC@web120707.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4532.145.44.29.96.1310390542.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> <1310393443.54510.YahooMailRC@web160617.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4280.145.44.29.96.1310476497.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> <1310480267.41805.YahooMailRC@web160606.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Oh, and if you have a good miniature lathe and a set of micrometers, replacing the rubber of a pinch roller is boring, and tedious but easy. On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Jerry McPhail wrote: > The rubber is replaced by first cutting off the old rubber and thoroughly > cleaning the bearing. Next, a "blank" is turned on a lathe: the "blank" is > bored out undersized for the bearing, then gently heated and the bearing > inserted with a ram. After cooling, the outside diameter is turned on the > lathe, and the surface is precisely milled with an abrasive band under > precise tension. The finished rubber roller is given a flnal cleaning with a > rubber cleaner, packaged and sent to the customer. When I was a teen, I made > the rubber rollers and rubber idlers for Voice of Music who at the time made > record changers and tape recorders. In the Army, I once had the task of > rebuilding rubber rollers and idlers for the turntables (made by Newcomb) > and tape recorders (made by Magncorder and Ampex) when spares were delayed > in shipment on one occasion. Using the Motor Pool's lathe wasn't as easy as > using the custom-made for-the-purpose lathe that the V-M factory had. > > On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 9:17 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > >> Hi Norman, >> >> Replacing the rubber on a pinch roller is no easy task. Makes the amount >> well worth for the work being done, and for how important the rollers are to >> the decks. However, just as important as replacing the rubber, it is also >> important that the bearing is taken care of also. I have mentioned before >> that that the center of the Nak roller is a sintered bronze bearing that >> releases lubricant when it is running and warm. This lubricant is then >> absorbed back into the bearing once the roller stops running. The process >> continues every time we use the deck. >> >> Applying oil to the bearing only helps a short while because the position >> of this bearing is in the middle of the capstan shaft, thus leaving it open >> at both ends. Thus, there is no way for the bearing to retain the new >> lubricant that we put in. Other bearing designs, even open thrust bearings >> allow a certain amount of lubricant retention. Sleeve bearings are an >> exception because the shaft passes through them and we have little control >> of the flow of the lubricant (which in our case has to be a viscous type). >> Eventually dust and particles will only clog up this area, requiring us to >> put in more oil to keep it going. The sintered bearing design solves this >> problem very nicely, which is why its used as a sleeve bearing in motors and >> other small load bearing shaft applications. The problem is further >> exacerbated because the original lubricant stored in the bearing also >> absorbs dirt and stores it in the bearing. To see how bad it is, check out >> this page where the old oil is forces out of a Nakamichi 700ZXL capstan >> bearing. ( http://nakamichi700zxl.blogspot.com/ ) >> >> More then putting new oil into the bearing, it is important to install >> fresh bearings with fresh lubricants so that the lubricant cycle can be >> re-established and optimal performance can be obtained from the pinch >> rollers. Bear in mind that the pinch rollers in a Nak maintain tape speed >> AND tape tension across the heads, like Teac/TASCAM reel to reels. >> >> Cheers! >> Bala >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* "N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net" >> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> *Sent:* Tue, July 12, 2011 11:14:57 PM >> >> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk]RE:Pinch Rollers classic transport >> >> Hi Bala, >> >> The $35 covers rubber replacement only. >> >> I wonder how this job is done. It doesn' t sound easy to replace that >> rubber. >> >> Regards Norman >> >> >> >> Op Ma, 11 juli, 2011 4:10 pm schreef Bala Ganesh Chandra: >> > Norman, >> > >> > >> > Does $35 include reworking the bearing in the center? >> > >> > >> > Cheers! >> > Bala >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ________________________________ >> > From: "N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net" >> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> > Sent: Mon, July 11, 2011 11:22:22 PM >> > Subject: Re: [naktalk]RE:Pinch Rollers classic transport >> > >> > >> > Hi all, >> > >> > >> > I have had contact with Terry Witt. >> > To repair one pinch roller we talk about 35 dollar . Shipment inside US >> 5 >> > dollar. That makes 75 dollar inside US for one Nakamichi . Outside US >> the >> > shipment would be higher i think. >> > >> > Regards Norman >> > >> > >> > >> > Op Ma, 11 juli, 2011 5:08 am schreef Kevin Fetner: >> > >> >> Norman, >> >> Terry Witt makes pinch rollers for Studers and anything of quality. If >> >> you guys want to reinvent the wheel, go right ahead. It would make >> >> better sense to contact him, discuss the materials used by the factory >> >> and the CORRECT >> >> dimensions. This shouldn't have to be done by a testy 'group' of >> >> fanatics that basically, can't agree on what day of the week it is. He >> >> advertises his prices online and they should come in way under $50 for >> >> cassette pinch rollers, Nak or otherwise. My bet is that he's made them >> >> for Nak folks and has the dimension on file already. >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Kevin >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Message: 6 >> >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 23:26:50 +0200 >> >> From: "Norman van Wijnen" >> >> Subject: RE: [naktalk]RE:Pinch Rollers classic transport >> >> To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >> >> Message-ID: <002a01cc3f48$14efd940$3ecf8bc0$@van.wijnen at inter.nl.net> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi Kevin, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> As far as i know all the pinch rollers for classic transports are the >> >> same. So a pinch roller for a N480 cost the same as one for the >> 1000ZXL. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The guy on ebay: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://cgi.ebay.nl/Nakamichi-1000-ZXL-Limited-Andruckrollen-pinch-rolle >> >> r- /13 >> >> 0314135842?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_77 >> >> < >> http://cgi.ebay.nl/Nakamichi-1000-ZXL-Limited-Andruckrollen-pinch-rolle >> >> r- /1 >> >> 30314135842?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_77&hash=item1e5753e922> >> >> &hash=item1e5753e922 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> We talk about 50 euro + 5 euro sending makes 55 euro -> 78 dollar. >> >> Thats >> >> a lot of money for a deck where also all belts and orange caps has to >> be >> >> replaced. >> >> >> >> The pinch roller in the advertisement are imitation pinch rollers. If >> >> there is another possibility then i would go for it. Maybe Fred Marrs >> >> >> >> Can make us a great offer. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Regards Norman >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------======= >> >> == >> >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------======= >> >> == >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------====== >> >> === >> >> >> > >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------======== >> > = >> > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> > Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------======== >> > = >> > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> > Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > > -- > Jerry McPhail > McPhail & Dunn Photography > -- Jerry McPhail McPhail & Dunn Photography -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vietradejsc at vnn.vn Thu Jul 14 05:39:53 2011 From: vietradejsc at vnn.vn (vietthuong) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 10:39:53 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Sony TC-K990ES Eating Tapes Message-ID: <003BDF272CD64130B7FCB389683AE494@Mrnang> Dear friend, You should replace the capstan belt since it eats tape at beginning. Further check the back tension torque with a torque meter whether it still is in specs. Someone has replaced the back tension spring (stronger) and it mostly cues the problem. Good luck Diepbtt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net Thu Jul 14 10:01:45 2011 From: N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net (N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 10:01:45 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk]RE:Pinch Rollers classic transport In-Reply-To: References: <1310353728.98180.YahooMailRC@web120707.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4532.145.44.29.96.1310390542.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> <1310393443.54510.YahooMailRC@web160617.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4280.145.44.29.96.1310476497.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> <1310480267.41805.YahooMailRC@web160606.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2236.145.44.29.96.1310630505.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> Thanks Jerry, Very intresting thoughts. What is an example of a good miniature lathe? regards Norman Op Do, 14 juli, 2011 3:14 am schreef Jerry McPhail: > Oh, and if you have a good miniature lathe and a set of micrometers, > replacing the rubber of a pinch roller is boring, and tedious but easy. > > On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Jerry McPhail > wrote: > > >> The rubber is replaced by first cutting off the old rubber and >> thoroughly cleaning the bearing. Next, a "blank" is turned on a lathe: >> the "blank" is bored out undersized for the bearing, then gently heated >> and the bearing inserted with a ram. After cooling, the outside >> diameter is turned on the lathe, and the surface is precisely milled >> with an abrasive band under precise tension. The finished rubber roller >> is given a flnal cleaning with a rubber cleaner, packaged and sent to >> the customer. When I was a teen, I made the rubber rollers and rubber >> idlers for Voice of Music who at the time made record changers and tape >> recorders. In the Army, I once had the task of rebuilding rubber rollers >> and idlers for the turntables (made by Newcomb) and tape recorders (made >> by Magncorder and Ampex) when spares were delayed in shipment on one >> occasion. Using the Motor Pool's lathe wasn't as easy as using the >> custom-made for-the-purpose lathe that the V-M factory had. >> >> On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 9:17 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra >> wrote: >> >> >>> Hi Norman, >>> >>> >>> Replacing the rubber on a pinch roller is no easy task. Makes the >>> amount well worth for the work being done, and for how important the >>> rollers are to the decks. However, just as important as replacing the >>> rubber, it is also important that the bearing is taken care of also. I >>> have mentioned before that that the center of the Nak roller is a >>> sintered bronze bearing that releases lubricant when it is running and >>> warm. This lubricant is then absorbed back into the bearing once the >>> roller stops running. The process continues every time we use the >>> deck. >>> >>> Applying oil to the bearing only helps a short while because the >>> position of this bearing is in the middle of the capstan shaft, thus >>> leaving it open at both ends. Thus, there is no way for the bearing to >>> retain the new lubricant that we put in. Other bearing designs, even >>> open thrust bearings allow a certain amount of lubricant retention. >>> Sleeve bearings are an >>> exception because the shaft passes through them and we have little >>> control of the flow of the lubricant (which in our case has to be a >>> viscous type). Eventually dust and particles will only clog up this >>> area, requiring us to put in more oil to keep it going. The sintered >>> bearing design solves this problem very nicely, which is why its used >>> as a sleeve bearing in motors and other small load bearing shaft >>> applications. The problem is further exacerbated because the original >>> lubricant stored in the bearing also absorbs dirt and stores it in the >>> bearing. To see how bad it is, check out this page where the old oil >>> is forces out of a Nakamichi 700ZXL capstan bearing. ( >>> http://nakamichi700zxl.blogspot.com/ ) >>> >>> >>> More then putting new oil into the bearing, it is important to >>> install fresh bearings with fresh lubricants so that the lubricant >>> cycle can be re-established and optimal performance can be obtained >>> from the pinch rollers. Bear in mind that the pinch rollers in a Nak >>> maintain tape speed AND tape tension across the heads, like >>> Teac/TASCAM reel to reels. >>> >>> >>> Cheers! >>> Bala >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* "N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net" >>> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> *Sent:* Tue, July 12, 2011 11:14:57 PM >>> >>> >>> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk]RE:Pinch Rollers classic transport >>> >>> >>> Hi Bala, >>> >>> >>> The $35 covers rubber replacement only. >>> >>> >>> I wonder how this job is done. It doesn' t sound easy to replace that >>> rubber. >>> >>> Regards Norman >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Op Ma, 11 juli, 2011 4:10 pm schreef Bala Ganesh Chandra: >>> >>>> Norman, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Does $35 include reworking the bearing in the center? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Cheers! >>>> Bala >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> From: "N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net" >>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> Sent: Mon, July 11, 2011 11:22:22 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk]RE:Pinch Rollers classic transport >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I have had contact with Terry Witt. >>>> To repair one pinch roller we talk about 35 dollar . Shipment inside >>>> US >>>> >>> 5 >>> >>>> dollar. That makes 75 dollar inside US for one Nakamichi . Outside >>>> US >>>> >>> the >>>> shipment would be higher i think. >>>> >>>> Regards Norman >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Op Ma, 11 juli, 2011 5:08 am schreef Kevin Fetner: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Norman, >>>>> Terry Witt makes pinch rollers for Studers and anything of >>>>> quality. If you guys want to reinvent the wheel, go right ahead. >>>>> It would make >>>>> better sense to contact him, discuss the materials used by the >>>>> factory and the CORRECT dimensions. This shouldn't have to be done >>>>> by a testy 'group' of fanatics that basically, can't agree on what >>>>> day of the week it is. He advertises his prices online and they >>>>> should come in way under $50 for cassette pinch rollers, Nak or >>>>> otherwise. My bet is that he's made them for Nak folks and has the >>>>> dimension on file already. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Kevin >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Message: 6 >>>>> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 23:26:50 +0200 >>>>> From: "Norman van Wijnen" >>>>> Subject: RE: [naktalk]RE:Pinch Rollers classic transport >>>>> To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >>>>> Message-ID: >>>>> <002a01cc3f48$14efd940$3ecf8bc0$@van.wijnen at inter.nl.net> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi Kevin, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> As far as i know all the pinch rollers for classic transports are >>>>> the same. So a pinch roller for a N480 cost the same as one for >>>>> the >>> 1000ZXL. >>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The guy on ebay: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> http://cgi.ebay.nl/Nakamichi-1000-ZXL-Limited-Andruckrollen-pinch-rol >>> le >>>>> r- /13 0314135842?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_77 >>>>> < >>>>> >>> http://cgi.ebay.nl/Nakamichi-1000-ZXL-Limited-Andruckrollen-pinch-rol >>> le >>>>> r- /1 30314135842?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_77&hash=item1e5753e922> >>>>> &hash=item1e5753e922 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> We talk about 50 euro + 5 euro sending makes 55 euro -> 78 >>>>> dollar. Thats >>>>> a lot of money for a deck where also all belts and orange caps has >>>>> to >>> be >>>>> replaced. >>>>> >>>>> The pinch roller in the advertisement are imitation pinch >>>>> rollers. If there is another possibility then i would go for it. >>>>> Maybe Fred Marrs >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Can make us a great offer. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards Norman >>>>> >>>>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== >>> === >>> >>>>> == >>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>> >>>>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== >>> === >>> >>>>> == >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>> Maintain your account here: >>>>> >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>>>> >>>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> ====== >>>>> === >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== >>> ==== >>> >>>> = >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> >>>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== >>> ===== >>> >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: >>>> >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== >>> ===== >>> >>>> >>>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== >>> ==== >>> >>>> = >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> >>>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== >>> ===== >>> >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: >>>> >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== >>> ===== >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== >>> ===== >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------===== >>> ==== >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------===== >>> ==== >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== >>> ===== >>> >>> >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------===== >>> ==== >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------===== >>> ==== >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Jerry McPhail >> McPhail & Dunn Photography >> >> > > > > -- > Jerry McPhail > McPhail & Dunn Photography > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From dougg at mmsav.com Thu Jul 14 13:32:17 2011 From: dougg at mmsav.com (Doug Guth) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 07:32:17 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Sony TC-K990ES Eating Tapes In-Reply-To: <201107141002.p6EA04uT013898@zxe.naks.com> References: <201107141002.p6EA04uT013898@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD487ED87BD58@mail.mmsav.com> Hello Gregory, If the "tape eating" is dependent on the amount of tape on the supply and take-up hubs then I would check the take-up and hold-back tension of the hubs. My tape tension cassette that I got from Nakamichi when I was a service center was made by Sony! Just from memory I believe that the take-up tension should be between 45-50g/cm and the supply hub back tension should be 5-10g/cm. When I worked at a Nakamichi dealer in the late '70s Nakamichi had an ad titled "Dual capstan transports, the solution or the problem?" That is when they were explaining their research about the dual capstan asymmetrical transport design. If your transport has belt driven flywheels as opposed to direct-drive, I would also check the drive belt. Good luck, Doug Guth BSBE, CTS Field Service Engineer Multi Media Services 1029 Thousand Oaks Blvd. Greenville, SC, 29607 (864) 297-8533 dougg at mmsav.com -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of naktalk-request at naks.com Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 6:03 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 101, Issue 15 Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to naktalk-request at naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at naktalk-owner at naks.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." From wbendler at sbcglobal.net Thu Jul 14 13:45:56 2011 From: wbendler at sbcglobal.net (Warren Bendler) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 04:45:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk]RE:Pinch Rollers classic transport In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1310643956.31747.YahooMailClassic@web180002.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I have had Terry Witt rebuild pinch rollers for me and he does an excellent job. I think he does include the new bearing, at least he did for me. Warren --- On Wed, 7/13/11, Jerry McPhail wrote: From: Jerry McPhail Subject: Re: [naktalk]RE:Pinch Rollers classic transport To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, July 13, 2011, 9:12 PM The rubber is replaced by first cutting off the old rubber and thoroughly cleaning the bearing. Next, a "blank" is turned on a lathe: the "blank" is bored out undersized for the bearing, then gently heated and  the bearing inserted with a ram. After cooling, the outside diameter is turned on the lathe, and the surface is precisely milled with an abrasive band under precise tension. The finished rubber roller is given a flnal cleaning with a rubber cleaner, packaged and sent to the customer. When I was a teen, I made the rubber rollers and rubber idlers for Voice of Music who at the time made record changers and tape recorders. In the Army, I once had the task of rebuilding rubber rollers and idlers for the turntables (made by Newcomb) and tape recorders (made by Magncorder and Ampex) when spares were delayed in shipment on one occasion. Using the Motor Pool's lathe wasn't as easy as using the custom-made for-the-purpose lathe that the V-M factory had.  On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 9:17 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Norman, Replacing the rubber on a pinch roller is no easy task. Makes the amount well worth for the work being done, and for how important the rollers are to the decks. However, just as important as replacing the rubber, it is also important that the bearing is taken care of also. I have mentioned before that that the center of the Nak roller is a sintered bronze bearing that releases lubricant when it is running and warm. This lubricant is then absorbed back into the bearing once the roller stops running. The process continues every time we use the deck. Applying oil to the bearing only helps a short while because the position of this bearing is in the middle of the capstan shaft, thus leaving it open at both ends. Thus, there is no way for the bearing to retain the new lubricant that we put in. Other bearing designs, even open thrust bearings allow a certain amount of lubricant retention. Sleeve bearings are an exception because the shaft passes through them and we have little control of the flow of the lubricant (which in our case has to be a viscous type). Eventually dust and particles will only clog up this area, requiring us to put in more oil to keep it going. The sintered bearing design solves this problem very nicely, which is why its used as a sleeve bearing in motors and other small load bearing shaft applications. The problem is further exacerbated because the original lubricant stored in the bearing also absorbs dirt and stores it in the bearing. To see how bad it is, check out this page where the old oil is forces out of a Nakamichi 700ZXL capstan bearing. ( http://nakamichi700zxl.blogspot.com/ ) More then putting new oil into the bearing, it is important to install fresh bearings with fresh lubricants so that the lubricant cycle can be re-established and optimal performance can be obtained from the pinch rollers. Bear in mind that the pinch rollers in a Nak maintain tape speed AND tape tension across the heads, like Teac/TASCAM reel to reels. Cheers! Bala From: "N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net" To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, July 12, 2011 11:14:57 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk]RE:Pinch Rollers classic transport Hi Bala, The $35 covers rubber replacement only. I wonder how this job is done. It doesn' t sound easy to replace that rubber. Regards Norman Op Ma, 11 juli, 2011 4:10 pm schreef Bala Ganesh Chandra: > Norman, > > > Does $35 include reworking the bearing in the center? > > > Cheers! > Bala > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net" > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Mon, July 11, 2011 11:22:22 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk]RE:Pinch Rollers classic transport > > > Hi all, > > > I have had contact with Terry Witt. > To repair one pinch roller we talk about 35 dollar . Shipment inside US 5 > dollar. That makes 75 dollar inside US for one Nakamichi . Outside US the > shipment would be higher i think. > > Regards Norman > > > > Op Ma, 11 juli, 2011 5:08 am schreef Kevin Fetner: > >> Norman, >> Terry Witt makes pinch rollers for Studers and anything of quality. If >> you guys want to reinvent the wheel, go right ahead. It would make >> better sense to contact him, discuss the materials used by the factory >> and the CORRECT >> dimensions. This shouldn't have to be done by a testy 'group' of >> fanatics that basically, can't agree on what day of the week it is. He >> advertises his prices online and they should come in way under $50 for >> cassette pinch rollers, Nak or otherwise. My bet is that he's made them >> for Nak folks and has the dimension on file already. >> >> Cheers, >> Kevin >> >> >> >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 23:26:50 +0200 >> From: "Norman van Wijnen" >> Subject: RE: [naktalk]RE:Pinch Rollers classic transport >> To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >> Message-ID: <002a01cc3f48$14efd940$3ecf8bc0$@van.wijnen at inter.nl.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> >> >> Hi Kevin, >> >> >> >> >> >> As far as i know all the pinch rollers for classic transports are the >> same. So a pinch roller for a N480 cost the same as one for the 1000ZXL. >> >> >> >> The guy on ebay: >> >> >> >> >> >> http://cgi.ebay.nl/Nakamichi-1000-ZXL-Limited-Andruckrollen-pinch-rolle >> r- /13 >> 0314135842?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_77 >> > r- /1 >> 30314135842?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_77&hash=item1e5753e922> >> &hash=item1e5753e922 >> >> >> >> >> >> We talk about 50 euro + 5 euro sending makes 55 euro -> 78 dollar. >> Thats >> a lot of money for a deck where also all belts and orange caps has to be >>  replaced. >> >> The pinch roller in the advertisement are imitation pinch rollers. If >> there is another possibility then i would go for it. 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Not familiar with the "furniture" for the 600, however if the 600 faceplate sits flush in the surrounding wood, the plexiglass cover will not sit correctly centered and slip down resting in place on the upper portion of the handles and probably hanging over the bottom edge.  If you fleabay, it's a good question to ask if the seller claims "mint" condition.  It's an item that is easily overlooked, lost, disassociated, misplaced etc......  Tapes made on the 600 still sound amazing on the 670ZX.  Fred in CT Message: 1 Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 20:25:56 -0400 From: Ram Subject: [naktalk] The nakamichi 600 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <93E477D1-19D4-4785-BB78-1E2052A1B448 at yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=us-ascii Hi friends, Just got my 3rd nak 600 2 head beauty with the oak veneered cover and all. sounds phenomenal. I wanted to reiterate to all that the 600 (all three of them)came without the well plexiglas cover. I did read here that the 600 did come with the cover, but my experience has been otherwise. The 600 II that I also have did come with this plexiglas glass cover that fits the similarly shaped lid and similarly configured well. Could some knowledgeable person(I mean Jeff Galin or Willy Hermann) co firm this plexiglas existence for the 600 or refute it....could  put my mind to rest and at ease. I firmly believe that the cover was never part of the 600 deck. Thanks. Ram -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 14 17:38:18 2011 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (Ram) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 11:38:18 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] The nakamichi 600 In-Reply-To: <1310650577.95426.YahooMailClassic@web110812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1310650577.95426.YahooMailClassic@web110812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Fred , Yes true with all that you have said. The decks cover will not fit a furnitured Deck. Love the sound. Grossly underrated in fleabay. Ram On Jul 14, 2011, at 9:36 AM, "Fred S.C. Li" wrote: > Ram, > > Was never able to afford the "furniture" when I purchased my 600 LONG ago now. However, it did come with a smoked plexiglass tray which basically sat over the top of the 600 clearing the handles. > > This plexiglass cover was in it's own packing (cardboard & foam inserts) and sat on top of the cardboard box and angled foam inserts that held the 600 so the faceplate was horizontal in the double box packing from Nakamichi. > > Not familiar with the "furniture" for the 600, however if the 600 faceplate sits flush in the surrounding wood, the plexiglass cover will not sit correctly centered and slip down resting in place on the upper portion of the handles and probably hanging over the bottom edge. > > If you fleabay, it's a good question to ask if the seller claims "mint" condition. It's an item that is easily overlooked, lost, disassociated, misplaced etc...... > > Tapes made on the 600 still sound amazing on the 670ZX. > > Fred in CT > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 20:25:56 -0400 > From: Ram > Subject: [naktalk] The nakamichi 600 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <93E477D1-19D4-4785-BB78-1E2052A1B448 at yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > Hi friends, > > Just got my 3rd nak 600 2 head beauty with the oak veneered cover and all. sounds phenomenal. > > I wanted to reiterate to all that the 600 (all three of them)came without the well plexiglas cover. > > I did read here that the 600 did come with the cover, but my experience has been otherwise. > > The 600 II that I also have did come with this plexiglas glass cover that fits the similarly shaped lid and similarly configured well. > > Could some knowledgeable person(I mean Jeff Galin or Willy Hermann) co firm this plexiglas existence for the 600 or refute it....could put my mind to rest and at ease. > > I firmly believe that the cover was never part of the 600 deck. > > Thanks. > > Ram > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Rich Sent from my iPhone From valkriye30 at yahoo.com.au Fri Jul 15 14:41:32 2011 From: valkriye30 at yahoo.com.au (John Doe) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 05:41:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL Limited FS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1310733692.31757.YahooMailNeo@web121216.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> G'Day! We have a Nakamichi 1000-ZXL Limited that is being put up for sale. The unit comes with its outboard Dolby C unit and Plexiglass cover. The unit is in complete working order and cosmetically in good shape. The cabinet finish has been maintained in a perfect condition. The deck is located in Australia but we would be more than happy to ship in double pack carton. Interested enquiries, please contact us off-line. Thank You. From Down Under, John ________________________________ From: Gerhard Wartha To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, 22 June 2011 4:07 PM Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL Ebay Hi, members, There is a 1000 ZXL for sale on Ebay US. But the same Deck was sold a week ago on Ebay Germany. It was located in Germany  for this sale. there is the link from this sale, the Ebay  Member is bavarialine http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190537869127 gerhard from  Austria Vienna ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gregorybotha at me.com Fri Jul 15 15:58:05 2011 From: gregorybotha at me.com (Gregory Botha) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 15:58:05 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Sony TC-K990ES Eating Tapes In-Reply-To: <201107151017.p6FA889C018168@zxe.naks.com> References: <201107151017.p6FA889C018168@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <03852EBB-D3B0-4482-B76C-57DA5BA422C7@me.com> Hi Doug, I checked the torque on the take up and supply reels and they both seem to be in spec as per the service manual. I have one of those Sony tapes that measures this. The only odd thing is the supply reel take up torque doesn't seem to be smooth, the meter swings backwards and forwards from 0 to 10g/cm very quickly. It would appear that there may not be enough back tension on the supply reel as it doesn't seem to eat tapes once you've got a few minutes into the tape. I'll check the service manual to see if I can increase the back tension and see what that does. BTW, I check the back tension on my 700-ZXE and it's quite a bit higher than the TC-K990ES. The TC-K990ES has a direct drive motor for the primary captan flywheel (on the right) with the secondary one attached via a rubber belt. I'll see how the belt looks as well. I managed to get an original replacement belt a while again, it seems that Sony keeps spares for their ES range a lot longer than the less expensive units. Thanks, Greg Sent from my iPad On 15 Jul 2011, at 12:17, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 07:32:17 -0400 > From: Doug Guth > Subject: [naktalk] RE: Sony TC-K990ES Eating Tapes > To: "naktalk at naks.com" > Message-ID: > <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD487ED87BD58 at mail.mmsav.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hello Gregory, > If the "tape eating" is dependent on the amount of tape on the supply and take-up hubs then I would check the take-up and hold-back tension of the hubs. My tape tension cassette that I got from Nakamichi when I was a service center was made by Sony! Just from memory I believe that the take-up tension should be between 45-50g/cm and the supply hub back tension should be 5-10g/cm. When I worked at a Nakamichi dealer in the late '70s Nakamichi had an ad titled "Dual capstan transports, the solution or the problem?" That is when they were explaining their research about the dual capstan asymmetrical transport design. If your transport has belt driven flywheels as opposed to direct-drive, I would also check the drive belt. > > Good luck, > > Doug Guth > BSBE, CTS > Field Service Engineer > Multi Media Services > 1029 Thousand Oaks Blvd. > Greenville, SC, 29607 > (864) 297-8533 > dougg at mmsav.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidt124 at internode.on.net Sat Jul 16 08:59:20 2011 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 16:59:20 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] 700ZX-E calibration Message-ID: I have a 700ZXE with some problems as I noted earlier. I have had a local tech free up the pinch roller pivots and align the heads but still the auto calibration does not complete on any tape type. Should there be a clicking noise while it is trying? The tech did not want to go any further with it. It is not recording at the moment as I have started replacing orange caps in the bias oscillator board but have to send for the small ones and the transistors. C109 & C209 should be 390P but measure at twice that. This deck has a ground post at the back but the manuals do not say anything about its use. Should it be grounded to the amplifier or the house earth or not at all? David >Hi David, >clean heads first. >I would look for perfect alignment first . Next would be the >replacement from orange cups in the bias Oszilator. >Does the Deck erase the tape on SX and ZX ? >If the Deck does not record the testtones. It can not go thru the >calibration. >regards Gerhard For 700ZXL and 700ZXE >both have test tones and their level should be calibrated along with playback level. If not Autocalibration will fail. However Head alignments is the most important ( some extent auto azimuth takes care of record head azimuth to play back head azimuth factor) and next comes the tone osc alignment. >From the way the problem described, it looks to me more of Bias oscillator orange cap or bias osc transistor issue as the Bias voltage i not sufficient for Metal and some chrome tape due to the above. He can look at Orange cap article in Naktalk archives and replace the caps and transistor after checking tape erasure might help this case Kannan From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Sat Jul 16 10:19:00 2011 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 10:19:00 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 700ZX-E calibration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000301cc4391$05f457c0$11dd0740$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Hi David, Sometimes the orange cap of the circuit of the erase head will fail. Then the tape is not properly erased and the calibration will fail . Tikking sound could be the azimuth unit of the record head coming out of specs. There are however several possibilities why the proces fails. Did the deck worked for you in the past or did you get the machine defective from ebay or something? Did the tech have the calibration units from Nakamichi? Otherwise it is almost impossible to remove the pinch roller pivots and mount them properly. If that is the case the azimuth calibration could also fails. Regards Norman -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens David Thompson Verzonden: zaterdag 16 juli 2011 8:59 Aan: Naktalk Onderwerp: [naktalk] 700ZX-E calibration I have a 700ZXE with some problems as I noted earlier. I have had a local tech free up the pinch roller pivots and align the heads but still the auto calibration does not complete on any tape type. Should there be a clicking noise while it is trying? The tech did not want to go any further with it. It is not recording at the moment as I have started replacing orange caps in the bias oscillator board but have to send for the small ones and the transistors. C109 & C209 should be 390P but measure at twice that. This deck has a ground post at the back but the manuals do not say anything about its use. Should it be grounded to the amplifier or the house earth or not at all? David >Hi David, >clean heads first. >I would look for perfect alignment first . Next would be the >replacement from orange cups in the bias Oszilator. >Does the Deck erase the tape on SX and ZX ? >If the Deck does not record the testtones. It can not go thru the >calibration. >regards Gerhard For 700ZXL and 700ZXE >both have test tones and their level should be calibrated along with playback level. If not Autocalibration will fail. However Head alignments is the most important ( some extent auto azimuth takes care of record head azimuth to play back head azimuth factor) and next comes the tone osc alignment. >From the way the problem described, it looks to me more of Bias oscillator orange cap or bias osc transistor issue as the Bias voltage i not sufficient for Metal and some chrome tape due to the above. He can look at Orange cap article in Naktalk archives and replace the caps and transistor after checking tape erasure might help this case Kannan ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From vietradejsc at vnn.vn Sat Jul 16 04:26:34 2011 From: vietradejsc at vnn.vn (vietthuong) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 09:26:34 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Sony TC-K990ES Eating Tapes Message-ID: Hi, If you have the take up & back tension torque within in pecs. and changed the new belt but the problem is not solved, then maybe you must replace the spring of the left pinch roller assembly. I have repaired 2 cassette decks of Sony ES( TC-K222ESJ & 222ESA), all i had to look at capstan belt, back tension torque, adjust the scew of left pinch roller without success. My last attempt to replace this spring(from a junk 222 ESG but mecha-block OK) seems to be successful, no tape eating since then, even with super thin Maxell Metal UD for japanese market. So i assume this spring torque degrades with the time it gets stronger??? But before you may try it, you should adjust the left pinch roller assembly with help a mirror cassette because this nut is plastic gets easily loose after long time of use. Of course this adjustment affects the original tape path adjustment and it makes all your old tape not usingfully. Good luck Diepbtt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If the roller stops easily you might want to lube its arm bearings that are spring loaded and clean the roller real good.( even scuff it up a little with an emery board )  to get better traction.       Thomas --- On Wed, 7/13/11, Gregory Botha wrote: From: Gregory Botha Subject: [naktalk] Sony TC-K990ES Eating Tapes To: "naktalk at naks.com" Date: Wednesday, July 13, 2011, 2:43 PM Hi Guy, Sorry about this post not being about a Nakamichi deck but I thought I would take a chance. I have a Sony TC-K990ES which despite my best efforts to clean and inspect the transport seems to consistantly eat my tapes. The problem only seems to occur when playing a tape from the beginning of Side A, whether with a new or old tape. Should I Fast Forward about 1 minutes into the tape it will play perfectly all the way through to the end and from the beginning of Side B all the way through to the end (it does this consistantly with a variety of tapes). This is a really strange problem and doesn't occur on any of my other Cassette Players including my 700-ZXE and 700-ZXL. I've checked the take up torque on both the forward and rewind reels when playing a tape and it's within factory spec. I took a close look at the tape from the leader section through to the recordable part of the tape while forwarding it with a pencil manually (while holding it in my hands) and I noticed that the tape path deviates slightly when transistioning from the leader part to the recordable part. Could the Sony deck really be that sensitive and is there something I can adjust? I've got some pictures of the transport here and it all looks good :- http://www.flickr.com/photos/42434267 at N02/5438944542/in/set-72157625906209121/ Has anyone had a similar problem like this before? Any help would be appreciated. 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URL: From jerry.mcphail at gmail.com Sat Jul 16 00:14:42 2011 From: jerry.mcphail at gmail.com (Jerry McPhail) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 17:14:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk]RE:Pinch Rollers classic transport In-Reply-To: <2236.145.44.29.96.1310630505.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> References: <1310353728.98180.YahooMailRC@web120707.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4532.145.44.29.96.1310390542.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> <1310393443.54510.YahooMailRC@web160617.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4280.145.44.29.96.1310476497.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> <1310480267.41805.YahooMailRC@web160606.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <2236.145.44.29.96.1310630505.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> Message-ID: Any of the small lathes used by hobbyists for making model ships, turning pens and so on. There was a guy near where I lived who re-made pinch rollers for really obscure tape decks like Magnecorder and Pentron using a Dremel Moto-Lathe but he retired last year. He used a custom-made gouge fashioned by grinding down a flat-blade screwdriver to shape the rubber, and then used 00000-grit sanding dilm on a block to dress the rubber; he let gravity set the pressure. The biggest one-time hassle is making the jigs but that is not hard, you can use the lathe to turn down a worn out drill bit precisely and then tap one end and use a small nut and washer to secure the whole thing onto the lathe chuck. Its only a 5 minute job once you're set up. you may have to get a micrometer tool rest and clamp the gouge to it so you can take the rubber off 1/10000 inch at a time. Guys, this aint hard work, its just taking the time to get the setup right. Anybody can do it but making the jigs and such is more than most folk want to do for just the pinch roller you need, so its cheaper to buy it, but hey anybody can go into the business if you have a bit of tool-handiness and patience. If you can turn a pen, a bowl or lathe a baseball bat or table leg you can make a pinch roller! On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 3:01 AM, wrote: > Thanks Jerry, > > Very intresting thoughts. What is an example of a good miniature lathe? > > regards > > Norman > > Op Do, 14 juli, 2011 3:14 am schreef Jerry McPhail: > > Oh, and if you have a good miniature lathe and a set of micrometers, > > replacing the rubber of a pinch roller is boring, and tedious but easy. > > > > On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Jerry McPhail > > wrote: > > > > > >> The rubber is replaced by first cutting off the old rubber and > >> thoroughly cleaning the bearing. Next, a "blank" is turned on a lathe: > >> the "blank" is bored out undersized for the bearing, then gently heated > >> and the bearing inserted with a ram. After cooling, the outside > >> diameter is turned on the lathe, and the surface is precisely milled > >> with an abrasive band under precise tension. The finished rubber roller > >> is given a flnal cleaning with a rubber cleaner, packaged and sent to > >> the customer. When I was a teen, I made the rubber rollers and rubber > >> idlers for Voice of Music who at the time made record changers and tape > >> recorders. In the Army, I once had the task of rebuilding rubber rollers > >> and idlers for the turntables (made by Newcomb) and tape recorders (made > >> by Magncorder and Ampex) when spares were delayed in shipment on one > >> occasion. Using the Motor Pool's lathe wasn't as easy as using the > >> custom-made for-the-purpose lathe that the V-M factory had. > >> > >> On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 9:17 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra > >> wrote: > >> > >> > >>> Hi Norman, > >>> > >>> > >>> Replacing the rubber on a pinch roller is no easy task. Makes the > >>> amount well worth for the work being done, and for how important the > >>> rollers are to the decks. However, just as important as replacing the > >>> rubber, it is also important that the bearing is taken care of also. I > >>> have mentioned before that that the center of the Nak roller is a > >>> sintered bronze bearing that releases lubricant when it is running and > >>> warm. This lubricant is then absorbed back into the bearing once the > >>> roller stops running. The process continues every time we use the > >>> deck. > >>> > >>> Applying oil to the bearing only helps a short while because the > >>> position of this bearing is in the middle of the capstan shaft, thus > >>> leaving it open at both ends. Thus, there is no way for the bearing to > >>> retain the new lubricant that we put in. Other bearing designs, even > >>> open thrust bearings allow a certain amount of lubricant retention. > >>> Sleeve bearings are an > >>> exception because the shaft passes through them and we have little > >>> control of the flow of the lubricant (which in our case has to be a > >>> viscous type). Eventually dust and particles will only clog up this > >>> area, requiring us to put in more oil to keep it going. The sintered > >>> bearing design solves this problem very nicely, which is why its used > >>> as a sleeve bearing in motors and other small load bearing shaft > >>> applications. The problem is further exacerbated because the original > >>> lubricant stored in the bearing also absorbs dirt and stores it in the > >>> bearing. To see how bad it is, check out this page where the old oil > >>> is forces out of a Nakamichi 700ZXL capstan bearing. ( > >>> http://nakamichi700zxl.blogspot.com/ ) > >>> > >>> > >>> More then putting new oil into the bearing, it is important to > >>> install fresh bearings with fresh lubricants so that the lubricant > >>> cycle can be re-established and optimal performance can be obtained > >>> from the pinch rollers. Bear in mind that the pinch rollers in a Nak > >>> maintain tape speed AND tape tension across the heads, like > >>> Teac/TASCAM reel to reels. > >>> > >>> > >>> Cheers! > >>> Bala > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------ > >>> *From:* "N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net" > >>> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >>> *Sent:* Tue, July 12, 2011 11:14:57 PM > >>> > >>> > >>> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk]RE:Pinch Rollers classic transport > >>> > >>> > >>> Hi Bala, > >>> > >>> > >>> The $35 covers rubber replacement only. > >>> > >>> > >>> I wonder how this job is done. It doesn' t sound easy to replace that > >>> rubber. > >>> > >>> Regards Norman > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Op Ma, 11 juli, 2011 4:10 pm schreef Bala Ganesh Chandra: > >>> > >>>> Norman, > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Does $35 include reworking the bearing in the center? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Cheers! > >>>> Bala > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ________________________________ > >>>> From: "N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net" > >>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >>>> Sent: Mon, July 11, 2011 11:22:22 PM > >>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk]RE:Pinch Rollers classic transport > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Hi all, > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I have had contact with Terry Witt. > >>>> To repair one pinch roller we talk about 35 dollar . Shipment inside > >>>> US > >>>> > >>> 5 > >>> > >>>> dollar. That makes 75 dollar inside US for one Nakamichi . Outside > >>>> US > >>>> > >>> the > >>>> shipment would be higher i think. > >>>> > >>>> Regards Norman > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Op Ma, 11 juli, 2011 5:08 am schreef Kevin Fetner: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Norman, > >>>>> Terry Witt makes pinch rollers for Studers and anything of > >>>>> quality. If you guys want to reinvent the wheel, go right ahead. > >>>>> It would make > >>>>> better sense to contact him, discuss the materials used by the > >>>>> factory and the CORRECT dimensions. This shouldn't have to be done > >>>>> by a testy 'group' of fanatics that basically, can't agree on what > >>>>> day of the week it is. He advertises his prices online and they > >>>>> should come in way under $50 for cassette pinch rollers, Nak or > >>>>> otherwise. My bet is that he's made them for Nak folks and has the > >>>>> dimension on file already. > >>>>> > >>>>> Cheers, > >>>>> Kevin > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Message: 6 > >>>>> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 23:26:50 +0200 > >>>>> From: "Norman van Wijnen" > >>>>> Subject: RE: [naktalk]RE:Pinch Rollers classic transport > >>>>> To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > >>>>> Message-ID: > >>>>> <002a01cc3f48$14efd940$3ecf8bc0$@van.wijnen at inter.nl.net> > >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Hi Kevin, > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> As far as i know all the pinch rollers for classic transports are > >>>>> the same. So a pinch roller for a N480 cost the same as one for > >>>>> the > >>> 1000ZXL. > >>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> The guy on ebay: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>> http://cgi.ebay.nl/Nakamichi-1000-ZXL-Limited-Andruckrollen-pinch-rol > >>> le > >>>>> r- /13 0314135842?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_77 > >>>>> < > >>>>> > >>> http://cgi.ebay.nl/Nakamichi-1000-ZXL-Limited-Andruckrollen-pinch-rol > >>> le > >>>>> r- /1 30314135842?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_77&hash=item1e5753e922> > >>>>> &hash=item1e5753e922 > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> We talk about 50 euro + 5 euro sending makes 55 euro -> 78 > >>>>> dollar. Thats > >>>>> a lot of money for a deck where also all belts and orange caps has > >>>>> to > >>> be > >>>>> replaced. > >>>>> > >>>>> The pinch roller in the advertisement are imitation pinch > >>>>> rollers. If there is another possibility then i would go for it. > >>>>> Maybe Fred Marrs > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Can make us a great offer. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Regards Norman > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== > >>> === > >>> > >>>>> == > >>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== > >>> === > >>> > >>>>> == > >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>>>> Maintain your account here: > >>>>> > >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>> ====== > >>>>> === > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== > >>> ==== > >>> > >>>> = > >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > >>>> > >>>> > >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== > >>> ===== > >>> > >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>>> Maintain your account here: > >>>> > >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>> > >>>> > >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== > >>> ===== > >>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== > >>> ==== > >>> > >>>> = > >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > >>>> > >>>> > >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== > >>> ===== > >>> > >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>>> Maintain your account here: > >>>> > >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>> > >>>> > >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== > >>> ===== > >>> > >>> > >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== > >>> ===== > >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > >>> ==== > >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>> Maintain your account here: > >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > >>> ==== > >>> > >>> > >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== > >>> ===== > >>> > >>> > >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > >>> ==== > >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>> Maintain your account here: > >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > >>> ==== > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Jerry McPhail > >> McPhail & Dunn Photography > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Jerry McPhail > > McPhail & Dunn Photography > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Jerry McPhail McPhail & Dunn Photography -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Sat Jul 16 11:14:35 2011 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 10:14:35 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Level and Bias Adjustment of Nakamichi Dragon In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <66C964BC-EB44-44F3-857A-53DC2FA54B77@peromarta.org> I would suggest basic head alignment + cleaning + demag and try again. Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. El 15/07/2011, a las 13:55, 김영달 escribió: > Hi, > I tried to do the Manual Calibration Procedures of Bias Calibration for type 1and 3 tapes described in page 10 of Nakamichi Dragon Owner's manual. but failed. > So I am going to try the Rough Adjustment procedures on page 11 of the same manual. > But I am not clear about the step 3 and 4. I think that between the step 3 and 4, the step 4 and 5 of the Manual Calibration Procedures are missing. > If I understand correctly, I guess there is no difference between the Manual Calibration Procedures and the Rough Adjustment. > > Please correct me if I did something wrong and show me more detailed steps of the Level and Bias Adjustment . > Assuming the Dragon itself has no problems, what could be the reasons of the calibration failures ?. > > I appreciate your advices in advance. > > Thanks and regards. > Youngdal > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gregorybotha at me.com Sat Jul 16 20:10:44 2011 From: gregorybotha at me.com (Gregory Botha) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 20:10:44 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 101, Issue 17 In-Reply-To: <201107161235.p6GCQvsR022574@zxe.naks.com> References: <201107161235.p6GCQvsR022574@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <8D1CDDC9-F0E0-4924-A469-64DFB844EFAD@me.com> Hi Thomas, I think you have a point about the leader to tape splice snagging on the erase head. I checked the tape and I can see a groove been made in the tape from what looks like the tape slipping behind the erase head. All the heads appear to be aligned properly and they still have the factory screw lock glue holding the screws in place. I managed to find an original Sony mirror cassette on Ebay which should help me to better see what is going on. Thanks to everyone for the suggestions. Regards, Greg Sent from my iPad On 16 Jul 2011, at 14:35, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 12:10:34 -0700 (PDT) > From: thomas > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony TC-K990ES Eating Tapes > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > <1310757034.89573.YahooMailClassic at web80603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > > > Hi Gregory ; How does the alignment of the erase head look. I've had 2 Sony decks that looked like the erase head was installed by someone with a hammer ( bent mounting bracket, very crooked azimuth wise )† Maybe it's snagging on the leader to tape splice and deflecting the tape outside the guides. Also put the deck in play without a tape inside and the tape holder cover off and touch the supply pinch roller with your finger to see how easy it is to stop it. If the roller stops easily you might want to lube†its arm†bearings that are spring loaded and clean the roller real good.( even scuff it up a little with an emery board )† to get better traction.†††††† Thomas -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dougg at mmsav.com Sun Jul 17 02:53:40 2011 From: dougg at mmsav.com (Doug Guth) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 20:53:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Sony TC-K990ES Eating Tapes Message-ID: <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD487ED90CE10@mail.mmsav.com> Hi Gregory, I have also run across decks in the past that gave erratic hold-back tension. Sometimes it is as easy to fix as "roughing-up" the felt pad. Doug Guth BSBE, CTS Field Service Engineer Multi Media Services 1029 Thousand Oaks Blvd. Greenville, SC, 29607 (864) 297-8533 dougg at mmsav.com ________________________________ From: Gregory Botha [gregorybotha at me.com] Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 9:58 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] RE: Sony TC-K990ES Eating Tapes Hi Doug, I checked the torque on the take up and supply reels and they both seem to be in spec as per the service manual. I have one of those Sony tapes that measures this. The only odd thing is the supply reel take up torque doesn't seem to be smooth, the meter swings backwards and forwards from 0 to 10g/cm very quickly. It would appear that there may not be enough back tension on the supply reel as it doesn't seem to eat tapes once you've got a few minutes into the tape. I'll check the service manual to see if I can increase the back tension and see what that does. BTW, I check the back tension on my 700-ZXE and it's quite a bit higher than the TC-K990ES. The TC-K990ES has a direct drive motor for the primary captan flywheel (on the right) with the secondary one attached via a rubber belt. I'll see how the belt looks as well. I managed to get an original replacement belt a while again, it seems that Sony keeps spares for their ES range a lot longer than the less expensive units. Thanks, Greg Sent from my iPad On 15 Jul 2011, at 12:17, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: Message: 1 Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 07:32:17 -0400 From: Doug Guth <dougg at mmsav.com> Subject: [naktalk] RE: Sony TC-K990ES Eating Tapes To: "naktalk at naks.com" <naktalk at naks.com> Message-ID: <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD487ED87BD58 at mail.mmsav.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello Gregory, If the "tape eating" is dependent on the amount of tape on the supply and take-up hubs then I would check the take-up and hold-back tension of the hubs. My tape tension cassette that I got from Nakamichi when I was a service center was made by Sony! Just from memory I believe that the take-up tension should be between 45-50g/cm and the supply hub back tension should be 5-10g/cm. When I worked at a Nakamichi dealer in the late '70s Nakamichi had an ad titled "Dual capstan transports, the solution or the problem?" That is when they were explaining their research about the dual capstan asymmetrical transport design. If your transport has belt driven flywheels as opposed to direct-drive, I would also check the drive belt. Good luck, Doug Guth BSBE, CTS Field Service Engineer Multi Media Services 1029 Thousand Oaks Blvd. Greenville, SC, 29607 (864) 297-8533 dougg at mmsav.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From fred at marrscom.com Tue Jul 19 17:27:08 2011 From: fred at marrscom.com (Fred Marrs) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 10:27:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 7-19-11 DIGITAL AUDIO TAPE DECK BELTS ADDED " DAT " Message-ID: <4E25A24C.6020006@marrscom.com> Hello Members, F.Y.I , Digital Audio Tape Deck Belts, " DAT ", are Now Available. Thanks, Fred M. From josephjean at verizon.net Thu Jul 21 20:57:40 2011 From: josephjean at verizon.net (goodguy) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 14:57:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] mic for general purpose Message-ID: <0LOP00JSP604X0WT@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> Can anyone recommend a mic to be used on a laptop that would be good for audio in a conference room? Contact me off list please. And I've zero experience in this field so bear with me. Roland When momentum meets resistance, push harder. From N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net Fri Jul 22 10:31:28 2011 From: N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net (N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 10:31:28 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] 7-10-11 Pinch Rollers for Nakamichi Classic Transport In-Reply-To: <4E19AC3B.7090203@marrscom.com> References: <4E19AC3B.7090203@marrscom.com> Message-ID: <2056.145.44.29.96.1311323488.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> Hi Naktalkers, What do you think, is it possible for us to give sizes of the rollers to Fred or not? Do we agree with Fred's idea? Maybe we can build a list of pinch roller information off this list. I will be happy to make that list with the input you guys will give me. after finishing the list we can publish it here on naktalk for all to look at it again and then send the list to Fred. Regards Norman Op Zo, 10 juli, 2011 3:42 pm schreef Fred Marrs: > 7-10-11 > > > Nakamichi Classic Transport Pinch Rollers > > > > Hello All Members, > > > Quality pinch rollers do not exist in the United States. > With all Members input, I will be happy to research having O.E.M. quality > pinch rollers Manufactured, with One Condition. > > NO he said, she said ! If the Members will collectively gather, AND > agree on Dimensions, " By Model Number ", on what is needed I will be > happy to furnish Price "estimates" and notify the group BEFORE I have them > manufactured. > > If we collectively agree the price I must sell them for is "Reasonable", > I will then > have them manufactured. Please keep in mind, Delivery of the First Order > placed with the Factory will be approximately 90 Days. > > This MUST be a group effort ! I do not want to repeat "Disagreements" > on Dimensions, like we had on the Factory Capstan Belts. > > Members MUST be in Agreement on Dimensions ! > > > Fred M. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------======== > = > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From mark8559 at hotmail.com Thu Jul 28 16:10:46 2011 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 08:10:46 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 480 Won't Play Message-ID: FF and Rewind is fine.Upon play, the transport goes up, but the drive motor is not turning (as it does in FF and Rewind).Any suggestions? The deck also has the broken eject cable piece in which the cassette door will not open. 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This problem I understand. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From mark8559 at hotmail.com Thu Jul 28 20:24:08 2011 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 12:24:08 -0600 Subject: FW: [naktalk] 480 Won't Play In-Reply-To: <6780E326-B834-46F3-843E-3D3EE735F183@yahoo.com> References: , <6780E326-B834-46F3-843E-3D3EE735F183@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Sorry I didn't mention, but the capstans are turning fine upon pressing play. The supply wheel is not turning since the drive motor is not running in play mode. The motor only runs in FF and rewind. > From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 480 Won't Play > Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 13:52:18 -0400 > To: naktalk at naks.com > > The 480 you have might need a capstan belt and also a cam mode adjustment, which is a pain to do. > > Ram. > > > > On Jul 28, 2011, at 10:10 AM, Mark Exstedt wrote: > > > FF and rewind is fine. Upon pressing play, the transport goes up, but the drive motor is not turning (as it does in FF and rewind). > > Any suggestions? > > > > The deck also has the broken eject cable piece in which the cassette door will not open. This problem I understand. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Thu Jul 28 20:41:19 2011 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 20:41:19 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 480 Won't Play In-Reply-To: References: , <6780E326-B834-46F3-843E-3D3EE735F183@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003601cc4d55$f14dfa00$d3e9ee00$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Hi Mark, I would begin to check the power supply voltage. Regards Norman Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens Mark Exstedt Verzonden: donderdag 28 juli 2011 20:24 Aan: naktalk at naks.com Onderwerp: FW: [naktalk] 480 Won't Play Sorry I didn't mention, but the capstans are turning fine upon pressing play. The supply wheel is not turning since the drive motor is not running in play mode. The motor only runs in FF and rewind. > From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 480 Won't Play > Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 13:52:18 -0400 > To: naktalk at naks.com > > The 480 you have might need a capstan belt and also a cam mode adjustment, which is a pain to do. > > Ram. > > > > On Jul 28, 2011, at 10:10 AM, Mark Exstedt wrote: > > > FF and rewind is fine. Upon pressing play, the transport goes up, but the drive motor is not turning (as it does in FF and rewind). > > Any suggestions? > > > > The deck also has the broken eject cable piece in which the cassette door will not open. This problem I understand. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2011\2011-June.txt.txt ************************************************************************ From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 1 07:00:38 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 22:00:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <000c01cc1eb3$9ccbc140$d66343c0$@net> References: <000c01cc1eb3$9ccbc140$d66343c0$@net> Message-ID: <669689.17791.qm@web160611.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hi Adrian, The decks seem to be in fine physical condition. They should fetch a good price within the range of what these decks go for if the three most important aspects are met when buying and selling audio equipment: place, person and time. Try listing on ebay and allow those who want these beautiful decks to decide what the decks should go for. Those who know what they are after will pay the right price for them. Regards, Bala ________________________________ From: Adrian Mechner To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Mon, May 30, 2011 8:23:25 PM Subject: [naktalk] (no subject) Hi to all of you! I need some advice for selling my two Naks. Both are in excellent working order, are used on regular basis at least for one hour/day. One is a MR2 in perfect cosmetic condition I would rate it at a 9,5. Inside it’s a joy to take a look. Heads show no wear at all and Bias is on 0 for Maxell XLII, TDK SA and FUJI METAL al well as Maxell UR. Has both handles in separate bag with all mounting hardware. The other one is a CR3A in cosmetic condition 8. No scratches on front, only a few tiny signs on the upper front edge nicely tinted and the cover has normal ware signs but iun a decent manner. Inside is everything nice and clean (not as nice as the MR2 which looks indeed like brand new) nice clean grease clean white and shiny wheels. Plays and records like a champ and BIAS is on 0 for the same types of cassettes. Please take a loot at the photos and give me some feedback for the price I should ask on Ebay or CL or if you know any other place where I should list them. Thanks in advance, Adrian -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkrause at multiplan.com.br Wed Jun 1 01:14:58 2011 From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 20:14:58 -0300 Subject: Res: Re: [naktalk] (no subject) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40338E0DC@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br> Hi guys, Can anyone tell me if the Nak 600 ever had a cassette plastic cover? Most pitures show no cover, but a jaapanese ad for a Nak for sale did show shomething that resembled a lid. Any clues? Thank you all. Rodrigo ________________________________ De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com Para: adrian at mechner.net ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Enviada em: Tue May 31 12:54:04 2011 Assunto: Re: [naktalk] (no subject) Hi Adrian - I really can't get into pricing your equipment. I think eBay is probably the best place but what you get for them always depends on who is out there who wants them at any point in time. Watch other actions for a while to get a feel for it. Best of luck. Willy On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 2:23 AM, Adrian Mechner wrote: Hi to all of you! I need some advice for selling my two Naks. Both are in excellent working order, are used on regular basis at least for one hour/day. One is a MR2 in perfect cosmetic condition I would rate it at a 9,5. Inside it’s a joy to take a look. Heads show no wear at all and Bias is on 0 for Maxell XLII, TDK SA and FUJI METAL al well as Maxell UR. Has both handles in separate bag with all mounting hardware. The other one is a CR3A in cosmetic condition 8. No scratches on front, only a few tiny signs on the upper front edge nicely tinted and the cover has normal ware signs but iun a decent manner. Inside is everything nice and clean (not as nice as the MR2 which looks indeed like brand new) nice clean grease clean white and shiny wheels. Plays and records like a champ and BIAS is on 0 for the same types of cassettes. Please take a loot at the photos and give me some feedback for the price I should ask on Ebay or CL or if you know any other place where I should list them. Thanks in advance, Adrian ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes privilegiadas e/ou de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem autorizacao do remetente. Portanto, se voce recebeu esta mensagem por engano, por favor, nos informe respondendo imediatamente a este e-mail e em seguida apague-a. A empresa MULTIPLAN nao se responsabiliza por conclusoes, opinioes, ou outras informacoes nesta mensagem que nao se relacionem com sua linha de negocios. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Wed Jun 1 09:39:24 2011 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 00:39:24 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <669689.17791.qm@web160611.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <000c01cc1eb3$9ccbc140$d66343c0$@net> <669689.17791.qm@web160611.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Also, Adrian, if you list them at the same time, Nakamichi decks will appear to be slightly more plentiful. The more plentiful an item is, the less the consumer expects it to cost. So . . . list them consecutively, rather than concurrently. Fred Fred Longworth MBA, CHMM Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F San Diego, CA 92116 (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 Fax: (619) 282-7872 classicaudiorepair at gmail.com stereo1 at cox.net www.repairaudio.com On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 10:00 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Adrian, > > The decks seem to be in fine physical condition. They should fetch a good > price within the range of what these decks go for if the three most > important aspects are met when buying and selling audio equipment: place, > person and time. Try listing on ebay and allow those who want these > beautiful decks to decide what the decks should go for. Those who know what > they are after will pay the right price for them. > > Regards, > Bala > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Adrian Mechner > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Sent:* Mon, May 30, 2011 8:23:25 PM > *Subject:* [naktalk] (no subject) > > Hi to all of you! > > > > I need some advice for selling my two Naks. > > Both are in excellent working order, are used on regular basis at least for > one hour/day. > > One is a MR2 in perfect cosmetic condition I would rate it at a 9,5. Inside > it’s a joy to take a look. Heads show no wear at all and Bias is on 0 for > Maxell XLII, TDK SA and FUJI METAL al well as Maxell UR. Has both handles in > separate bag with all mounting hardware. > > The other one is a CR3A in cosmetic condition 8. No scratches on front, > only a few tiny signs on the upper front edge nicely tinted and the cover > has normal ware signs but iun a decent manner. > > Inside is everything nice and clean (not as nice as the MR2 which looks > indeed like brand new) nice clean grease clean white and shiny wheels. > > Plays and records like a champ and BIAS is on 0 for the same types of > cassettes. > > Please take a loot at the photos and give me some feedback for the price I > should ask on Ebay or CL or if you know any other place where I should list > them. > > Thanks in advance, > > Adrian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Here's the link with the information (and some other ideas)...amazing it's still active: http://www.wagnerone.com/enteract/dat/portable_power/nak.html > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Fergus Cullen > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 6:58 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Looking for CM-300 mics > > > As far as I know you can find them online (expensive I guess) or substitute with other more readily available ones. > > > On 31 May 2011 08:48, "jim phillips" wrote: > > Are the correct fitting batteries still available for them? > > > > > > At 06:38 AM 5/28/2011, you wrote: > >>Hi > >> > >>I'm on a mic search again. This time I'm looking for a set of three > >>Nak CM-300s. > >>If anyone hears of any for sale please let me know. > >> > >>Thanks! > >> > >>-- > >>Fergus > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Groupon™ Official Site > > 1 ridiculously huge coupon a day. 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URL: From mark8559 at hotmail.com Wed Jun 1 16:05:50 2011 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 08:05:50 -0600 Subject: FW: Res: Re: [naktalk] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40338E0DC@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br> References: , <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40338E0DC@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br> Message-ID: Yes, the 600 does have a cover. I sold one of those plastic covers on E-Bay last year for $23 (shipping included). Presently I have my second 620 amp listed on E-Bay (U.S. sales only): http://shop.ebay.com/SOTAMAN05/m.html?_ipg=50&_sop=12&_rdc=1 Subject: Res: Re: [naktalk] (no subject) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 20:14:58 -0300 From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br To: naktalk at naks.com; adrian at mechner.net CC: Hi guys, Can anyone tell me if the Nak 600 ever had a cassette plastic cover? Most pitures show no cover, but a jaapanese ad for a Nak for sale did show shomething that resembled a lid. Any clues? Thank you all. Rodrigo De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com Para: adrian at mechner.net ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Enviada em: Tue May 31 12:54:04 2011 Assunto: Re: [naktalk] (no subject) Hi Adrian - I really can't get into pricing your equipment. I think eBay is probably the best place but what you get for them always depends on who is out there who wants them at any point in time. Watch other actions for a while to get a feel for it. Best of luck. Willy On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 2:23 AM, Adrian Mechner wrote: Hi to all of you! I need some advice for selling my two Naks. Both are in excellent working order, are used on regular basis at least for one hour/day. One is a MR2 in perfect cosmetic condition I would rate it at a 9,5. Inside it’s a joy to take a look. Heads show no wear at all and Bias is on 0 for Maxell XLII, TDK SA and FUJI METAL al well as Maxell UR. Has both handles in separate bag with all mounting hardware. The other one is a CR3A in cosmetic condition 8. No scratches on front, only a few tiny signs on the upper front edge nicely tinted and the cover has normal ware signs but iun a decent manner. Inside is everything nice and clean (not as nice as the MR2 which looks indeed like brand new) nice clean grease clean white and shiny wheels. Plays and records like a champ and BIAS is on 0 for the same types of cassettes. Please take a loot at the photos and give me some feedback for the price I should ask on Ebay or CL or if you know any other place where I should list them. Thanks in advance, Adrian ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes privilegiadas e/ou de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem autorizacao do remetente. Portanto, se voce recebeu esta mensagem por engano, por favor, nos informe respondendo imediatamente a este e-mail e em seguida apague-a. 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URL: From luis at peromarta.org Wed Jun 1 21:14:00 2011 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 21:14:00 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Luis' Cal- Tapes on TapeHeads (Was Re: some dragon's pics and info on cal tapes shipping) In-Reply-To: <0A70DFF2-F80A-4109-98DC-BE9904D9A9A3@tiscali.it> References: <81EFF9DA-6F25-4269-92DD-860201BD5392@tiscali.it> <7F80BC75-E57F-4DE9-8EDF-6AAF389CBC71@peebles-engineering.com> <0A70DFF2-F80A-4109-98DC-BE9904D9A9A3@tiscali.it> Message-ID: <9FD99362-C770-414D-92C0-7761CB9D2981@peromarta.org> Yes Davide, Perry is an active member of NakTalk. Regarding http://www.tapeheads.net/showthread.php?t=13254 His opinion is just that, but his claims are false. I use NOS EMTEC CrO2 tape of great quality. Alignment is near perfect using this set of cal tapes, and this has been acknowledged by a lot of techs and senior members on the list. He probably can do the same for a lot less, no doubt about it, and I encourage him to go ahead and do it. I would however recommend you to try and buy a set of originals, if you are able to find them, these are THE reference. If you can't come across a set of these, I am pretty sure you can do with a set of mines. You can read a lot of feedback on my naks.es page (all positive) but also on the ebay listing (All positive too !). I am copying the NakTalk list here too, where dozens of members have bought this set of tapes and are definitively happy with the result. With Best rgds, LP. El 01/06/2011, a las 20:58, Davide Schmid escribió: > Thanks for answer Luis. > > Just to let you know, i happened to read one thread on TH from Perry (maybe you already know him from Naktalk) that doesn't exactly advertise your set of cal tapes. > > http://www.tapeheads.net/showthread.php?t=13254 > > that sucks big time ... > > Best, regards, > > Davide -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Wed Jun 1 22:28:51 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 10:28:51 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Luis' Cal- Tapes on TapeHeads (Was Re: some dragon's picsand info on cal tapes shipping) In-Reply-To: <9FD99362-C770-414D-92C0-7761CB9D2981@peromarta.org> References: <81EFF9DA-6F25-4269-92DD-860201BD5392@tiscali.it><7F80BC75-E57F-4DE9-8EDF-6AAF389CBC71@peebles-engineering.com><0A70DFF2-F80A-4109-98DC-BE9904D9A9A3@tiscali.it> <9FD99362-C770-414D-92C0-7761CB9D2981@peromarta.org> Message-ID: I haven't tried Luis's tapes. But I can vouch that Tom Mageras'ss tracking tape for adjusting PH is "da bomb". It is fantastic and I did a far better job setting the PH with Tom's tape than via any other means. It is also easier. The other tapes that Tom made for me also worked very well (15K and 400). Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Luis Peromarta Regert Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 9:14 AM To: Davide Schmid Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Luis' Cal- Tapes on TapeHeads (Was Re: some dragon's picsand info on cal tapes shipping) Importance: High Yes Davide, Perry is an active member of NakTalk. Regarding http://www.tapeheads.net/showthread.php?t=13254 His opinion is just that, but his claims are false. I use NOS EMTEC CrO2 tape of great quality. Alignment is near perfect using this set of cal tapes, and this has been acknowledged by a lot of techs and senior members on the list. He probably can do the same for a lot less, no doubt about it, and I encourage him to go ahead and do it. I would however recommend you to try and buy a set of originals, if you are able to find them, these are THE reference. If you can't come across a set of these, I am pretty sure you can do with a set of mines. You can read a lot of feedback on my naks.es page (all positive) but also on the ebay listing (All positive too !). I am copying the NakTalk list here too, where dozens of members have bought this set of tapes and are definitively happy with the result. With Best rgds, LP. El 01/06/2011, a las 20:58, Davide Schmid escribió: Thanks for answer Luis. Just to let you know, i happened to read one thread on TH from Perry (maybe you already know him from Naktalk) that doesn't exactly advertise your set of cal tapes. http://www.tapeheads.net/showthread.php?t=13254 that sucks big time ... Best, regards, Davide -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkrause at multiplan.com.br Wed Jun 1 15:28:59 2011 From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 10:28:59 -0300 Subject: RES: [naktalk] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <669689.17791.qm@web160611.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <000c01cc1eb3$9ccbc140$d66343c0$@net> <669689.17791.qm@web160611.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40338E0DF@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br> Hi Adrian, I may be interested in buying the CR3A. could you please send me some pictures (there weren´t any attached). Please let me know where you are so that I can have an idea of shipping if we go through with this. If you prefer to talk directly you can find me at rksr59 at terra.com.br. Regards, Rodrigo De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Bala Ganesh Chandra Enviada em: quarta-feira, 1 de junho de 2011 02:01 Para: adrian at mechner.net; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Assunto: Re: [naktalk] (no subject) Hi Adrian, The decks seem to be in fine physical condition. They should fetch a good price within the range of what these decks go for if the three most important aspects are met when buying and selling audio equipment: place, person and time. Try listing on ebay and allow those who want these beautiful decks to decide what the decks should go for. Those who know what they are after will pay the right price for them. Regards, Bala ________________________________ From: Adrian Mechner To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Mon, May 30, 2011 8:23:25 PM Subject: [naktalk] (no subject) Hi to all of you! I need some advice for selling my two Naks. Both are in excellent working order, are used on regular basis at least for one hour/day. One is a MR2 in perfect cosmetic condition I would rate it at a 9,5. Inside it’s a joy to take a look. Heads show no wear at all and Bias is on 0 for Maxell XLII, TDK SA and FUJI METAL al well as Maxell UR. Has both handles in separate bag with all mounting hardware. The other one is a CR3A in cosmetic condition 8. No scratches on front, only a few tiny signs on the upper front edge nicely tinted and the cover has normal ware signs but iun a decent manner. Inside is everything nice and clean (not as nice as the MR2 which looks indeed like brand new) nice clean grease clean white and shiny wheels. Plays and records like a champ and BIAS is on 0 for the same types of cassettes. Please take a loot at the photos and give me some feedback for the price I should ask on Ebay or CL or if you know any other place where I should list them. Thanks in advance, Adrian Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes privilegiadas e/ou de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem autorizacao do remetente. Portanto, se voce recebeu esta mensagem por engano, por favor, nos informe respondendo imediatamente a este e-mail e em seguida apague-a. A empresa MULTIPLAN nao se responsabiliza por conclusoes, opinioes, ou outras informacoes nesta mensagem que nao se relacionem com sua linha de negocios. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkrause at multiplan.com.br Wed Jun 1 18:00:05 2011 From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 13:00:05 -0300 Subject: RES: Res: Re: [naktalk] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: , <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40338E0DC@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br> Message-ID: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40338E0EC@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br> The amp looks really nice. If by any chance you get hold of a cover for the Nak 600 please let me know. Also, if you have or come to get a Nak 1000 in "great" shape, let me know too! Best regards, Rodrigo De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Mark Exstedt Enviada em: quarta-feira, 1 de junho de 2011 11:06 Para: naktalk at naks.com Assunto: FW: Res: Re: [naktalk] (no subject) Yes, the 600 does have a cover. I sold one of those plastic covers on E-Bay last year for $23 (shipping included). Presently I have my second 620 amp listed on E-Bay (U.S. sales only): http://shop.ebay.com/SOTAMAN05/m.html?_ipg=50&_sop=12&_rdc=1 ________________________________ Subject: Res: Re: [naktalk] (no subject) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 20:14:58 -0300 From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br To: naktalk at naks.com; adrian at mechner.net CC: Hi guys, Can anyone tell me if the Nak 600 ever had a cassette plastic cover? Most pitures show no cover, but a jaapanese ad for a Nak for sale did show shomething that resembled a lid. Any clues? Thank you all. Rodrigo ________________________________ De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com Para: adrian at mechner.net ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Enviada em: Tue May 31 12:54:04 2011 Assunto: Re: [naktalk] (no subject) Hi Adrian - I really can't get into pricing your equipment. I think eBay is probably the best place but what you get for them always depends on who is out there who wants them at any point in time. Watch other actions for a while to get a feel for it. Best of luck. Willy On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 2:23 AM, Adrian Mechner wrote: Hi to all of you! I need some advice for selling my two Naks. Both are in excellent working order, are used on regular basis at least for one hour/day. One is a MR2 in perfect cosmetic condition I would rate it at a 9,5. Inside it's a joy to take a look. Heads show no wear at all and Bias is on 0 for Maxell XLII, TDK SA and FUJI METAL al well as Maxell UR. Has both handles in separate bag with all mounting hardware. The other one is a CR3A in cosmetic condition 8. No scratches on front, only a few tiny signs on the upper front edge nicely tinted and the cover has normal ware signs but iun a decent manner. Inside is everything nice and clean (not as nice as the MR2 which looks indeed like brand new) nice clean grease clean white and shiny wheels. Plays and records like a champ and BIAS is on 0 for the same types of cassettes. Please take a loot at the photos and give me some feedback for the price I should ask on Ebay or CL or if you know any other place where I should list them. Thanks in advance, Adrian ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes privilegiadas e/ou de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem autorizacao do remetente. Portanto, se voce recebeu esta mensagem por engano, por favor, nos informe respondendo imediatamente a este e-mail e em seguida apague-a. 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Thanks, David From willy at willyhermannservices.com Thu Jun 2 00:48:02 2011 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 14:48:02 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Luis' Cal- Tapes on TapeHeads (Was Re: some dragon's picsand info on cal tapes shipping) In-Reply-To: References: <81EFF9DA-6F25-4269-92DD-860201BD5392@tiscali.it> <7F80BC75-E57F-4DE9-8EDF-6AAF389CBC71@peebles-engineering.com> <0A70DFF2-F80A-4109-98DC-BE9904D9A9A3@tiscali.it> <9FD99362-C770-414D-92C0-7761CB9D2981@peromarta.org> Message-ID: Not only does he make great tapes but he's also just become the proud owner of a mint 1000ZXL Limited!! Now we all have to bow down! Willy On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 12:28 PM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: > I haven't tried Luis's tapes. But I can vouch that Tom Mageras'ss > tracking tape for adjusting PH is "da bomb". It is fantastic and I did a far > better job setting the PH with Tom's tape than via any other means. It is > also easier. The other tapes that Tom made for me also worked very well (15K > and 400). > Cheryl > > ------------------------------ > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *Luis Peromarta Regert > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 01, 2011 9:14 AM > *To:* Davide Schmid > *Cc:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* [naktalk] Luis' Cal- Tapes on TapeHeads (Was Re: some dragon's > picsand info on cal tapes shipping) > *Importance:* High > > Yes Davide, Perry is an active member of NakTalk. > > Regarding > > http://www.tapeheads.net/showthread.php?t=13254 > > His opinion is just that, but his claims are false. I use NOS EMTEC CrO2 > tape of great quality. Alignment is near perfect using this set of cal > tapes, and this has been acknowledged by a lot of techs and senior members > on the list. He probably can do the same for a lot less, no doubt about it, > and I encourage him to go ahead and do it. > > I would however recommend you to try and buy a set of originals, if you are > able to find them, these are THE reference. If you can't come across a set > of these, I am pretty sure you can do with a set of mines. > > You can read a lot of feedback on my naks.es page (all positive) but also > on the ebay listing (All positive too !). I am copying the NakTalk list here > too, where dozens of members have bought this set of tapes and are > definitively happy with the result. > > With Best rgds, LP. > > > El 01/06/2011, a las 20:58, Davide Schmid escribió: > > Thanks for answer Luis. > > Just to let you know, i happened to read one thread on TH from Perry (maybe > you already know him from Naktalk) that doesn't exactly advertise your set > of cal tapes. > > http://www.tapeheads.net/showthread.php?t=13254 > > that sucks big time ... > > Best, regards, > > Davide > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 2 03:36:13 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 18:36:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Luis' Cal- Tapes on TapeHeads (Was Re: some dragon's picsand info on cal tapes shipping) In-Reply-To: References: <81EFF9DA-6F25-4269-92DD-860201BD5392@tiscali.it> <7F80BC75-E57F-4DE9-8EDF-6AAF389CBC71@peebles-engineering.com> <0A70DFF2-F80A-4109-98DC-BE9904D9A9A3@tiscali.it> <9FD99362-C770-414D-92C0-7761CB9D2981@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <599631.27706.qm@web160610.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Why do we have to bow down to anyone just because he (or she) owns a Limited, or any other deck for that matter. Bala ________________________________ From: Willy Hermann To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 8:48:02 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Luis' Cal- Tapes on TapeHeads (Was Re: some dragon's picsand info on cal tapes shipping) Not only does he make great tapes but he's also just become the proud owner of a mint 1000ZXL Limited!! Now we all have to bow down! Willy On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 12:28 PM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: I haven't tried Luis's tapes. But I can vouch that Tom Mageras'ss tracking tape for adjusting PH is "da bomb". It is fantastic and I did a far better job setting the PH with Tom's tape than via any other means. It is also easier. The other tapes that Tom made for me also worked very well (15K and 400). >Cheryl > > ________________________________ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Luis Peromarta Regert >Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 9:14 AM >To: Davide Schmid >Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: [naktalk] Luis' Cal- Tapes on TapeHeads (Was Re: some dragon's picsand >info on cal tapes shipping) >Importance: High > >Yes Davide, Perry is an active member of NakTalk. > > >Regarding > > >http://www.tapeheads.net/showthread.php?t=13254 > > >His opinion is just that, but his claims are false. I use NOS EMTEC CrO2 tape >of great quality. Alignment is near perfect using this set of cal tapes, and >this has been acknowledged by a lot of techs and senior members on the list. >He probably can do the same for a lot less, no doubt about it, and I encourage >him to go ahead and do it. > > >I would however recommend you to try and buy a set of originals, if you are >able to find them, these are THE reference. If you can't come across a set of >these, I am pretty sure you can do with a set of mines. > > >You can read a lot of feedback on my naks.es page (all positive) but also on the >ebay listing (All positive too !). I am copying the NakTalk list here too, >where dozens of members have bought this set of tapes and are definitively >happy with the result. > > >With Best rgds, LP. > > > > >El 01/06/2011, a las 20:58, Davide Schmid escribió: > >Thanks for answer Luis. >> >>Just to let you know, i happened to read one thread on TH from Perry (maybe >>you already know him from Naktalk) that doesn't exactly advertise your set of >>cal tapes. >> >>http://www.tapeheads.net/showthread.php?t=13254 >> >>that sucks big time ... >> >>Best, regards, >> >>Davide > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I can't remember who that was but I know someone who wants to do this with a large collection of LPs (I guess some are rare). If it was one or two records I'd consider it, but it's not my career:-) Anyone remember who that was? Thanks, David ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Thu Jun 2 05:10:56 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 17:10:56 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving In-Reply-To: <530049.21163.qm@web160616.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <272692.69932.qm@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <530049.21163.qm@web160616.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bala, What software are you using? Thanks, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 3:38 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving I am archiving many old and rare tape recordings onto digital now. After much trials, I managed to get the right format and setup that gives ticks all the boxes in terms of a digital format. It is a tedious task, but one that may be very important for posterity. Regards, Bala _____ From: fripp_em To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 7:11:31 AM Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving I seem to remember there was someone on naktalk (West of the Mississippi) who did professional transfers of cassette and LP collections to digital? I can't remember who that was but I know someone who wants to do this with a large collection of LPs (I guess some are rare). If it was one or two records I'd consider it, but it's not my career:-) Anyone remember who that was? Thanks, David ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Thu Jun 2 05:31:06 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 17:31:06 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Luis' Cal- Tapes on TapeHeads (Was Re: some dragon'spicsand info on cal tapes shipping) In-Reply-To: <599631.27706.qm@web160610.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <81EFF9DA-6F25-4269-92DD-860201BD5392@tiscali.it><7F80BC75-E57F-4DE9-8EDF-6AAF389CBC71@peebles-engineering.com><0A70DFF2-F80A-4109-98DC-BE9904D9A9A3@tiscali.it><9FD99362-C770-414D-92C0-7761CB9D2981@peromarta.org> <599631.27706.qm@web160610.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bala, I believe Willy's comment was meant in a "tongue in cheek" manner -- along with a big smile! Tom's tracking tape is a real accomplishment. He physically sliced out the various tracks on the heads and reassembled them, enabling him to record on the tape areas that are not normally recorded. I find his accomplishment to be amazing. And it makes setting the PH extremely simple -- even a novice like me can easily and properly set the PH height without a scope or T-100. I actually keep this tape in my safe so that nothing bad happens to it. If I sliced up a head with a razor blade and tried to reassemble it and get it to record -- well, forget it. It wouldn't be a pretty picture. I've spoken at length with Tom on several occasions and he is also a very nice gentleman. If anyone actually bowed down he would probably cringe in embarrassment. But he defintely deserves aknowledgement, pats on the back, and a mint 1000ZXL for his tracking tape!!! Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 3:36 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Luis' Cal- Tapes on TapeHeads (Was Re: some dragon'spicsand info on cal tapes shipping) Why do we have to bow down to anyone just because he (or she) owns a Limited, or any other deck for that matter. Bala _____ From: Willy Hermann To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 8:48:02 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Luis' Cal- Tapes on TapeHeads (Was Re: some dragon's picsand info on cal tapes shipping) Not only does he make great tapes but he's also just become the proud owner of a mint 1000ZXL Limited!! Now we all have to bow down! Willy On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 12:28 PM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: I haven't tried Luis's tapes. But I can vouch that Tom Mageras'ss tracking tape for adjusting PH is "da bomb". It is fantastic and I did a far better job setting the PH with Tom's tape than via any other means. It is also easier. The other tapes that Tom made for me also worked very well (15K and 400). Cheryl _____ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Thu Jun 2 05:39:24 2011 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 19:39:24 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Luis' Cal- Tapes on TapeHeads (Was Re: some dragon's picsand info on cal tapes shipping) In-Reply-To: <599631.27706.qm@web160610.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <81EFF9DA-6F25-4269-92DD-860201BD5392@tiscali.it> <7F80BC75-E57F-4DE9-8EDF-6AAF389CBC71@peebles-engineering.com> <0A70DFF2-F80A-4109-98DC-BE9904D9A9A3@tiscali.it> <9FD99362-C770-414D-92C0-7761CB9D2981@peromarta.org> <599631.27706.qm@web160610.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Do you know the term "tongue in cheek"? All I was doing was congratulating Tom on buying what looks to be a wonderful deck. Let's keep a sense of humor here. We're talking about cassette decks after all. Willy On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 5:36 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Why do we have to bow down to anyone just because he (or she) owns a > Limited, or any other deck for that matter. > Bala > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Willy Hermann > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Thu, June 2, 2011 8:48:02 AM > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Luis' Cal- Tapes on TapeHeads (Was Re: some > dragon's picsand info on cal tapes shipping) > > Not only does he make great tapes but he's also just become the proud owner > of a mint 1000ZXL Limited!! Now we all have to bow down! > > Willy > > On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 12:28 PM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: > >> I haven't tried Luis's tapes. But I can vouch that Tom Mageras'ss >> tracking tape for adjusting PH is "da bomb". It is fantastic and I did a far >> better job setting the PH with Tom's tape than via any other means. It is >> also easier. The other tapes that Tom made for me also worked very well (15K >> and 400). >> Cheryl >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On >> Behalf Of *Luis Peromarta Regert >> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 01, 2011 9:14 AM >> *To:* Davide Schmid >> *Cc:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> *Subject:* [naktalk] Luis' Cal- Tapes on TapeHeads (Was Re: some dragon's >> picsand info on cal tapes shipping) >> *Importance:* High >> >> Yes Davide, Perry is an active member of NakTalk. >> >> Regarding >> >> http://www.tapeheads.net/showthread.php?t=13254 >> >> His opinion is just that, but his claims are false. I use NOS EMTEC CrO2 >> tape of great quality. Alignment is near perfect using this set of cal >> tapes, and this has been acknowledged by a lot of techs and senior members >> on the list. He probably can do the same for a lot less, no doubt about it, >> and I encourage him to go ahead and do it. >> >> I would however recommend you to try and buy a set of originals, if you >> are able to find them, these are THE reference. If you can't come across a >> set of these, I am pretty sure you can do with a set of mines. >> >> You can read a lot of feedback on my naks.es page (all positive) but also >> on the ebay listing (All positive too !). I am copying the NakTalk list here >> too, where dozens of members have bought this set of tapes and are >> definitively happy with the result. >> >> With Best rgds, LP. >> >> >> El 01/06/2011, a las 20:58, Davide Schmid escribió: >> >> Thanks for answer Luis. >> >> Just to let you know, i happened to read one thread on TH from Perry >> (maybe you already know him from Naktalk) that doesn't exactly advertise >> your set of cal tapes. >> >> http://www.tapeheads.net/showthread.php?t=13254 >> >> that sucks big time ... >> >> Best, regards, >> >> Davide >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 2 07:09:36 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 22:09:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving In-Reply-To: References: <272692.69932.qm@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <530049.21163.qm@web160616.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <688087.2631.qm@web160611.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Cheryl, I started off with Cool Edit Pro on Windows , then eventually switched to Audacity running both on a iMac and a MacBook Pro. Regards, Bala ________________________________ From: Cheryl Kaupp To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 1:10:56 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] LP archiving Bala, What software are you using? Thanks, Cheryl ________________________________ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 3:38 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving I am archiving many old and rare tape recordings onto digital now. After much trials, I managed to get the right format and setup that gives ticks all the boxes in terms of a digital format. It is a tedious task, but one that may be very important for posterity. Regards, Bala ________________________________ From: fripp_em To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 7:11:31 AM Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving I seem to remember there was someone on naktalk (West of the Mississippi) who did professional transfers of cassette and LP collections to digital? I can't remember who that was but I know someone who wants to do this with a large collection of LPs (I guess some are rare). If it was one or two records I'd consider it, but it's not my career:-) Anyone remember who that was? Thanks, David ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 2 07:12:43 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 22:12:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Luis' Cal- Tapes on TapeHeads (Was Re: some dragon'spicsand info on cal tapes shipping) In-Reply-To: References: <81EFF9DA-6F25-4269-92DD-860201BD5392@tiscali.it><7F80BC75-E57F-4DE9-8EDF-6AAF389CBC71@peebles-engineering.com><0A70DFF2-F80A-4109-98DC-BE9904D9A9A3@tiscali.it><9FD99362-C770-414D-92C0-7761CB9D2981@peromarta.org> <599631.27706.qm@web160610.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <714019.46114.qm@web160607.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hi, I suppose this is the way Nak intended their tapes to be. However, re-building the tape head opens up a new can of worms because then the built of the head along with the entire tape transport is subject to variability. Because I do not know how Tom does this, I cannot comment. Perhaps he would be the best to explain. Regards Bala ________________________________ From: Cheryl Kaupp To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 1:31:06 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Luis' Cal- Tapes on TapeHeads (Was Re: some dragon'spicsand info on cal tapes shipping) Bala, I believe Willy's comment was meant in a "tongue in cheek" manner -- along with a big smile! Tom's tracking tape is a real accomplishment. He physically sliced out the various tracks on the heads and reassembled them, enabling him to record on the tape areas that are not normally recorded. I find his accomplishment to be amazing. And it makes setting the PH extremely simple -- even a novice like me can easily and properly set the PH height without a scope or T-100. I actually keep this tape in my safe so that nothing bad happens to it. If I sliced up a head with a razor blade and tried to reassemble it and get it to record -- well, forget it. It wouldn't be a pretty picture. I've spoken at length with Tom on several occasions and he is also a very nice gentleman. If anyone actually bowed down he would probably cringe in embarrassment. But he defintely deserves aknowledgement, pats on the back, and a mint 1000ZXL for his tracking tape!!! Aloha, Cheryl ________________________________ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 3:36 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Luis' Cal- Tapes on TapeHeads (Was Re: some dragon'spicsand info on cal tapes shipping) Why do we have to bow down to anyone just because he (or she) owns a Limited, or any other deck for that matter. Bala ________________________________ From: Willy Hermann To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 8:48:02 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Luis' Cal- Tapes on TapeHeads (Was Re: some dragon's picsand info on cal tapes shipping) Not only does he make great tapes but he's also just become the proud owner of a mint 1000ZXL Limited!! Now we all have to bow down! Willy On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 12:28 PM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: I haven't tried Luis's tapes. But I can vouch that Tom Mageras'ss tracking tape for adjusting PH is "da bomb". It is fantastic and I did a far better job setting the PH with Tom's tape than via any other means. It is also easier. The other tapes that Tom made for me also worked very well (15K and 400). >Cheryl > > ________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 2 07:15:01 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 22:15:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Luis' Cal- Tapes on TapeHeads (Was Re: some dragon's picsand info on cal tapes shipping) In-Reply-To: References: <81EFF9DA-6F25-4269-92DD-860201BD5392@tiscali.it> <7F80BC75-E57F-4DE9-8EDF-6AAF389CBC71@peebles-engineering.com> <0A70DFF2-F80A-4109-98DC-BE9904D9A9A3@tiscali.it> <9FD99362-C770-414D-92C0-7761CB9D2981@peromarta.org> <599631.27706.qm@web160610.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <928750.16695.qm@web160613.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Ever heard of the term ' A taste of your own medicine?' Bala ________________________________ From: Willy Hermann To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 1:39:24 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Luis' Cal- Tapes on TapeHeads (Was Re: some dragon's picsand info on cal tapes shipping) Do you know the term "tongue in cheek"? All I was doing was congratulating Tom on buying what looks to be a wonderful deck. Let's keep a sense of humor here. We're talking about cassette decks after all. Willy On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 5:36 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Why do we have to bow down to anyone just because he (or she) owns a Limited, or any other deck for that matter. >Bala > > > > > > ________________________________ From: Willy Hermann >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 8:48:02 AM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Luis' Cal- Tapes on TapeHeads (Was Re: some dragon's >picsand info on cal tapes shipping) > > >Not only does he make great tapes but he's also just become the proud owner of a >mint 1000ZXL Limited!! Now we all have to bow down! > > >Willy > > >On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 12:28 PM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: > >I haven't tried Luis's tapes. But I can vouch that Tom Mageras'ss tracking tape >for adjusting PH is "da bomb". It is fantastic and I did a far better job >setting the PH with Tom's tape than via any other means. It is also easier. The >other tapes that Tom made for me also worked very well (15K and 400). >>Cheryl >> >> ________________________________ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Luis Peromarta Regert >>Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 9:14 AM >>To: Davide Schmid >>Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: [naktalk] Luis' Cal- Tapes on TapeHeads (Was Re: some dragon's picsand >>info on cal tapes shipping) >>Importance: High >> >>Yes Davide, Perry is an active member of NakTalk. >> >> >>Regarding >> >> >>http://www.tapeheads.net/showthread.php?t=13254 >> >> >>His opinion is just that, but his claims are false. I use NOS EMTEC CrO2 tape >>of great quality. Alignment is near perfect using this set of cal tapes, and >>this has been acknowledged by a lot of techs and senior members on the list. >>He probably can do the same for a lot less, no doubt about it, and I encourage >>him to go ahead and do it. >> >> >>I would however recommend you to try and buy a set of originals, if you are >>able to find them, these are THE reference. If you can't come across a set of >>these, I am pretty sure you can do with a set of mines. >> >> >>You can read a lot of feedback on my naks.es page (all positive) but also on the >>ebay listing (All positive too !). I am copying the NakTalk list here too, >>where dozens of members have bought this set of tapes and are definitively >>happy with the result. >> >> >>With Best rgds, LP. >> >> >> >> >>El 01/06/2011, a las 20:58, Davide Schmid escribió: >> >>Thanks for answer Luis. >>> >>>Just to let you know, i happened to read one thread on TH from Perry (maybe >>>you already know him from Naktalk) that doesn't exactly advertise your set of >>>cal tapes. >>> >>>http://www.tapeheads.net/showthread.php?t=13254 >>> >>>that sucks big time ... >>> >>>Best, regards, >>> >>>Davide >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rhils at hotmail.com Thu Jun 2 04:10:55 2011 From: rhils at hotmail.com (Rick Hils) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 19:10:55 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Luis' Cal- Tapes on TapeHeads (Was Re: some dragon's picsand info on cal tapes shipping) In-Reply-To: <599631.27706.qm@web160610.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <81EFF9DA-6F25-4269-92DD-860201BD5392@tiscali.it>, , <7F80BC75-E57F-4DE9-8EDF-6AAF389CBC71@peebles-engineering.com>, <0A70DFF2-F80A-4109-98DC-BE9904D9A9A3@tiscali.it>, <9FD99362-C770-414D-92C0-7761CB9D2981@peromarta.org>, , , <599631.27706.qm@web160610.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 18:36:13 -0700 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Luis' Cal- Tapes on TapeHeads (Was Re: some dragon's picsand info on cal tapes shipping) To: naktalk at naks.com Why do we have to bow down to anyone just because he (or she) owns a Limited, or any other deck for that matter. Bala From: Willy Hermann To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 8:48:02 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Luis' Cal- Tapes on TapeHeads (Was Re: some dragon's picsand info on cal tapes shipping) Not only does he make great tapes but he's also just become the proud owner of a mint 1000ZXL Limited!! Now we all have to bow down! Willy On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 12:28 PM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: I haven't tried Luis's tapes. But I can vouch that Tom Mageras'ss tracking tape for adjusting PH is "da bomb". It is fantastic and I did a far better job setting the PH with Tom's tape than via any other means. It is also easier. The other tapes that Tom made for me also worked very well (15K and 400). Cheryl From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Luis Peromarta Regert Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 9:14 AM To: Davide Schmid Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Luis' Cal- Tapes on TapeHeads (Was Re: some dragon's picsand info on cal tapes shipping) Importance: High Yes Davide, Perry is an active member of NakTalk. Regarding http://www.tapeheads.net/showthread.php?t=13254 His opinion is just that, but his claims are false. I use NOS EMTEC CrO2 tape of great quality. Alignment is near perfect using this set of cal tapes, and this has been acknowledged by a lot of techs and senior members on the list. He probably can do the same for a lot less, no doubt about it, and I encourage him to go ahead and do it. I would however recommend you to try and buy a set of originals, if you are able to find them, these are THE reference. If you can't come across a set of these, I am pretty sure you can do with a set of mines. You can read a lot of feedback on my naks.es page (all positive) but also on the ebay listing (All positive too !). I am copying the NakTalk list here too, where dozens of members have bought this set of tapes and are definitively happy with the result. With Best rgds, LP. El 01/06/2011, a las 20:58, Davide Schmid escribió: Thanks for answer Luis. Just to let you know, i happened to read one thread on TH from Perry (maybe you already know him from Naktalk) that doesn't exactly advertise your set of cal tapes. http://www.tapeheads.net/showthread.php?t=13254 that sucks big time ... 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URL: From rhils at hotmail.com Thu Jun 2 04:14:48 2011 From: rhils at hotmail.com (Rick Hils) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 19:14:48 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving In-Reply-To: <272692.69932.qm@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <272692.69932.qm@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: If you want, give them my name. I can make very nice transfers. I use a Thorens TD 145 with Shure V15 III and I also have a Lenco heavy platter table than has infinite speed adjust from 16 rpm to 78 rpm. I can either go straight into my E-MU 96/24 convertor or first into my Nak BX-300 and then to the DAC. The situation is that I am close to the 91601 zip code (Los Angeles area) and can possibly pick up the records myself. I would do one record side to see if it meets with your friends needs. Rick email: rhils at hotmail.com > Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 14:11:31 -0700 > From: fripp_em at yahoo.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving > > I seem to remember there was someone on naktalk (West of the Mississippi) who did professional transfers of cassette and LP collections to digital? I can't remember who that was but I know someone who wants to do this with a large collection of LPs (I guess some are rare). 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URL: From fripp_em at yahoo.com Thu Jun 2 05:46:24 2011 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 20:46:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving Message-ID: <192490.46848.qm@web130106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yeah, my first thought when my friend brought this up was I've been meaning to archive some of my LPs/tapes and just haven't gotten around to it so maybe I should take this on, but when he mentioned 100s of LP 33 rpm AND many various 78s which would need the correct EQ (do I even have a working 78 player?) I relised he needed professional help. Kermit actually does this so I'll have him check out Kermit and see if that is what he wants. David --- On Wed, 6/1/11, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: I am archiving many old and rare tape recordings onto digital now. After much trials, I managed to get the right format and setup that gives ticks all the boxes in terms of a digital format. It is a tedious task, but one that may be very important for posterity. Regards, Bala From timpamsepper at cox.net Thu Jun 2 06:45:57 2011 From: timpamsepper at cox.net (Tim and Pam Sepper) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 21:45:57 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] DR-1 underappreciated??? Message-ID: <000001cc20df$f6c80040$e45800c0$@net> I see on Fleabay that there are a couple of DR-1's up for bidding (neither of which is mine BTW as I will never part with my DR-1). One is starting at only $45!? The other is a rather healthy $400! I have seen many DR-1's go for less than that but lesser Naks go for much more. As Nakamichi's last real tape deck line (not incl. the DR-10) it included their latest/newest electronics, all their past experience, same excellent 3 head transport, and playback azimuth to boot. Aside from lacking several top end automation controls, it is nearly the equal to almost any previous Nak, IMHO! You just don't hear about it much in the posts and it appears to be undervalued by the group at large. Just by perusing the specifications of the major lines, the DR-1 (and the functionally identical Cassette Deck One) is equal or tops in noise reduction (72/66 dB) and frequency response (20-21k all tapes) and just at or below the direct drive decks for wow & flutter (0.035%). From specs the DR-1 seems to be on par with the esteemed ZX-7 and CR-7. Now I understand that from specs alone do not a great deck make, but my DR-1 is a great machine. It just doesn't seem to garner much enthusiasm these days. I believe these decks deserve more attention than some of the older tech decks. Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vidguy_me at hotmail.com Thu Jun 2 07:05:14 2011 From: vidguy_me at hotmail.com (vidguy vidguy) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 05:05:14 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Luis' Cal- Tapes on TapeHeads (Was Re: some dragon's pics and info on cal tapes shipping) In-Reply-To: <9FD99362-C770-414D-92C0-7761CB9D2981@peromarta.org> References: <81EFF9DA-6F25-4269-92DD-860201BD5392@tiscali.it>, , <7F80BC75-E57F-4DE9-8EDF-6AAF389CBC71@peebles-engineering.com>, <0A70DFF2-F80A-4109-98DC-BE9904D9A9A3@tiscali.it>, <9FD99362-C770-414D-92C0-7761CB9D2981@peromarta.org> Message-ID: Luis, I myself have a set of your tapes. Unfortunately, I share Perry's opinion. The 400hz/1khz tape has regular physical damage, a depressed area 90 deg to the tape path, on a consistant basis. As well, the 15khz changes amplitude twice., I measure 6db difference near the 3 min mark. The 400hz/1kz tape is so bad, my AC MV meter jumps around...alot. Now, I don't have fancy test gear. However, I was able to make my own 15khz azimuth tape using my ZX-7, and it performed a lot better than the tape supplied. On top of that, it took almost 2 months for delivery. But then, it's just my opinion. Mike From: luis at peromarta.org Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 21:14:00 +0200 To: davide.schmid at tiscali.it CC: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Luis' Cal- Tapes on TapeHeads (Was Re: some dragon's pics and info on cal tapes shipping) Yes Davide, Perry is an active member of NakTalk. Regarding http://www.tapeheads.net/showthread.php?t=13254 His opinion is just that, but his claims are false. I use NOS EMTEC CrO2 tape of great quality. Alignment is near perfect using this set of cal tapes, and this has been acknowledged by a lot of techs and senior members on the list. He probably can do the same for a lot less, no doubt about it, and I encourage him to go ahead and do it. I would however recommend you to try and buy a set of originals, if you are able to find them, these are THE reference. If you can't come across a set of these, I am pretty sure you can do with a set of mines. You can read a lot of feedback on my naks.es page (all positive) but also on the ebay listing (All positive too !). I am copying the NakTalk list here too, where dozens of members have bought this set of tapes and are definitively happy with the result. With Best rgds, LP. El 01/06/2011, a las 20:58, Davide Schmid escribió:Thanks for answer Luis. Just to let you know, i happened to read one thread on TH from Perry (maybe you already know him from Naktalk) that doesn't exactly advertise your set of cal tapes. http://www.tapeheads.net/showthread.php?t=13254 that sucks big time ... Best, regards, Davide ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fergus.cullen at gmail.com Thu Jun 2 08:28:14 2011 From: fergus.cullen at gmail.com (Fergus Cullen) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 07:28:14 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving In-Reply-To: <688087.2631.qm@web160611.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <272692.69932.qm@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <530049.21163.qm@web160616.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <688087.2631.qm@web160611.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I use Pro-Tools. And yes, it is tedious! Fergus On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 6:09 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Cheryl, > > I started off with Cool Edit Pro on Windows , then eventually switched to > Audacity running both on a iMac and a MacBook Pro. > > Regards, > Bala > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Cheryl Kaupp > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Thu, June 2, 2011 1:10:56 PM > *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] LP archiving > > > Bala, > > What software are you using? > > Thanks, > Cheryl > > ------------------------------ > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *Bala Ganesh Chandra > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 01, 2011 3:38 PM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] LP archiving > > I am archiving many old and rare tape recordings onto digital now. After > much trials, I managed to get the right format and setup that gives ticks > all the boxes in terms of a digital format. It is a tedious task, but one > that may be very important for posterity. > > Regards, > Bala > > ------------------------------ > *From:* fripp_em > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Sent:* Thu, June 2, 2011 7:11:31 AM > *Subject:* [naktalk] LP archiving > > I seem to remember there was someone on naktalk (West of the Mississippi) > who did professional transfers of cassette and LP collections to digital? I > can't remember who that was but I know someone who wants to do this with a > large collection of LPs (I guess some are rare). If it was one or two > records I'd consider it, but it's not my career:-) Anyone remember who that > was? > > Thanks, > David > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Fergus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skr_advocate at yahoo.co.in Thu Jun 2 11:15:00 2011 From: skr_advocate at yahoo.co.in (shashi kumar) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 14:45:00 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi dragon Message-ID: <881681.42720.qm@web137315.mail.in.yahoo.com> Dear Sir/madam, I have got you email address through Google search. It appears that you are expert in service of nakamichi products or nakamichi vintage products. I am writing this mail from Delhi, India and need your help in restoration of my nakamichi dragon cassette deck. I understand that it is not economically viable to send the cassette deck at your doorsteps but parts and other advices from you can definitely be sought. Sir, the problem is that cassette deck is not working properly in auto reverse mode. In auto reverse mode when I play my deck in forward play mode then it reverses back to reverse play mode when the cassette ends but does not come back in forward play mode from the reverse play mode inspite of the fact that auto reverse switch as well as loop switch just below the auto reverse switch is in on mode. There is no other problem of any kind in the cassette deck. I have got my deck checked up with technician over here and he has suggested that IC located as IC602 on the logic PCB is not functioning properly or in other words the same is defective. As per service manual the part number is 0B06392A described as IC – LM6416E-149. 1.     Please advice whether the opinion of the technician appears to be correct? 2.     Whether the said part i.e. IC602 on the logic PCB bearing part number is 0B06392A described as IC – LM6416E-149 is available with you if yes then what is the cost etc.   I hope you will revert back with some positive result.   Thanking you   Shashi kumar -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patty at jbrudy.com Thu Jun 2 15:02:48 2011 From: patty at jbrudy.com (patty at jbrudy.com) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 06:02:48 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] ***Please Read***OUT OF THE OFFICE Message-ID: I WILL BE OUT OF THE OFFICE AFTER 11:00 AM TODAY 3-17-10 PLEASE CONTACT CUSTOMER SERVICE FOR YOUR ORDER STATUS OR RMA REQUEST. janille at jbrudy.com ext# 223 THANK YOU, PATTY From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 2 16:33:43 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 07:33:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving In-Reply-To: References: <272692.69932.qm@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <539442.97382.qm@web160619.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hi Rick, What type of phono linearization do you use? Regards, Bala ________________________________ From: Rick Hils To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 12:14:48 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] LP archiving If you want, give them my name. I can make very nice transfers. I use a Thorens TD 145 with Shure V15 III and I also have a Lenco heavy platter table than has infinite speed adjust from 16 rpm to 78 rpm. I can either go straight into my E-MU 96/24 convertor or first into my Nak BX-300 and then to the DAC. The situation is that I am close to the 91601 zip code (Los Angeles area) and can possibly pick up the records myself. I would do one record side to see if it meets with your friends needs. Rick email: rhils at hotmail.com > Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 14:11:31 -0700 > From: fripp_em at yahoo.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving > > I seem to remember there was someone on naktalk (West of the Mississippi) who >did professional transfers of cassette and LP collections to digital? I can't >remember who that was but I know someone who wants to do this with a large >collection of LPs (I guess some are rare). If it was one or two records I'd >consider it, but it's not my career:-) Anyone remember who that was? > > > Thanks, > David > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjkent at comcast.net Thu Jun 2 16:47:56 2011 From: rjkent at comcast.net (R Kent) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 07:47:56 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CM-300 Batteries In-Reply-To: <201106021010.p52A8lv2011710@zxe.naks.com> References: <201106021010.p52A8lv2011710@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <000001cc2134$15d09930$4171cb90$@net> Fergus, I just sold two pristine CM-300 mics on Ebay a couple of months ago. You should be aware that the Everedy 206 batteries are a fairly snug fit inside the CM-300, but they work very well. Following is a description of the battery situation that I researched and used in my recent Ebay ad: The Nak CM-300s are powered by a single battery. The original battery was a mercury H-7D 9.45 volt, or replacement TR-126 9.1 volt that are no longer available. Fortunately, the Eveready 206 or NEDA 1611 9 volt zinc-carbon will work as an almost perfect replacement, though the slightly larger girth of these batteries makes for a snug fit. Some 206 batteries, although snug, will eject from the spring loaded barrel automatically, while others require some gentle assistance. The new 206 batteries currently installed in both mics have wire retrieval hooks soldered to their edges (an idea from Willy Hermann) although I haven't needed them since a good shake will slide them out. The battery is supposed to last a couple hundred hours so this is not a real concern. The mic is very accommodating of input voltages from as low as 1.5V (some people have used a single AA battery at 1.5V with success, and others have used a single CR123 at 3V lithium with a conducting spacer), to as high as 12V. I also found that stacking two 1/2AA Lithiums at 7.2V fits very nicely, or even four CR1/3N at 12V in a small plastic sleeve. I have included an old H-7D battery for size comparison. Robert Kent 1. Re: Looking for CM-300 mics (Fergus Cullen) From: Fergus Cullen Subject: Re: [naktalk] Looking for CM-300 mics To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" That link should come in handy. Thanks a lot! On 1 Jun 2011 08:50, "Al Swett" wrote: > When I went looking for these batteries 8 years ago, I found a link which directed me to the Eveready 206 which I found on Amazon just now...$6.39 from "Batteries". Here's the link with the information (and some other ideas)...amazing it's still active: http://www.wagnerone.com/enteract/dat/portable_power/nak.html > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Fergus Cullen > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 6:58 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Looking for CM-300 mics > > > As far as I know you can find them online (expensive I guess) or substitute with other more readily available ones. > > > On 31 May 2011 08:48, "jim phillips" wrote: > > Are the correct fitting batteries still available for them? > > > > > > At 06:38 AM 5/28/2011, you wrote: > >>Hi > >> > >>I'm on a mic search again. This time I'm looking for a set of three > >>Nak CM-300s. > >>If anyone hears of any for sale please let me know. From luis at peromarta.org Thu Jun 2 16:57:29 2011 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 16:57:29 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Luis' Cal- Tapes on TapeHeads (Was Re: some dragon's pics and info on cal tapes shipping) In-Reply-To: References: <81EFF9DA-6F25-4269-92DD-860201BD5392@tiscali.it> <7F80BC75-E57F-4DE9-8EDF-6AAF389CBC71@peebles-engineering.com> <0A70DFF2-F80A-4109-98DC-BE9904D9A9A3@tiscali.it> <9FD99362-C770-414D-92C0-7761CB9D2981@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <3D43CEAE-A124-4064-91F3-5CC7C04FD685@peromarta.org> This is certainly not the standard. I encourage you to ship them back for review. It has happen a couple of times tapes have been damaged while in transit. Both mechanically and magnetically, probably due to parcel scanning or the alike. I have not had a single negative feedback on eBay. Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. El 02/06/2011, a las 07:05, vidguy vidguy escribió: > Luis, I myself have a set of your tapes. > > Unfortunately, I share Perry's opinion. > > The 400hz/1khz tape has regular physical damage, a depressed area 90 deg to the tape path, on a consistant basis. > As well, the 15khz changes amplitude twice., I measure 6db difference near the 3 min mark. > > The 400hz/1kz tape is so bad, my AC MV meter jumps around...alot. > > Now, I don't have fancy test gear. > However, I was able to make my own 15khz azimuth tape using my ZX-7, and it performed a lot better than the tape supplied. > > On top of that, it took almost 2 months for delivery. > > But then, it's just my opinion. > > Mike > > > > From: luis at peromarta.org > Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 21:14:00 +0200 > To: davide.schmid at tiscali.it > CC: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Luis' Cal- Tapes on TapeHeads (Was Re: some dragon's pics and info on cal tapes shipping) > > Yes Davide, Perry is an active member of NakTalk. > > Regarding > > http://www.tapeheads.net/showthread.php?t=13254 > > His opinion is just that, but his claims are false. I use NOS EMTEC CrO2 tape of great quality. Alignment is near perfect using this set of cal tapes, and this has been acknowledged by a lot of techs and senior members on the list. He probably can do the same for a lot less, no doubt about it, and I encourage him to go ahead and do it. > > I would however recommend you to try and buy a set of originals, if you are able to find them, these are THE reference. If you can't come across a set of these, I am pretty sure you can do with a set of mines. > > You can read a lot of feedback on my naks.es page (all positive) but also on the ebay listing (All positive too !). I am copying the NakTalk list here too, where dozens of members have bought this set of tapes and are definitively happy with the result. > > With Best rgds, LP. > > > El 01/06/2011, a las 20:58, Davide Schmid escribió: > > Thanks for answer Luis. > > Just to let you know, i happened to read one thread on TH from Perry (maybe you already know him from Naktalk) that doesn't exactly advertise your set of cal tapes. > > http://www.tapeheads.net/showthread.php?t=13254 > > that sucks big time ... > > Best, regards, > > Davide > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Thu Jun 2 17:38:37 2011 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 09:38:37 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving In-Reply-To: References: <272692.69932.qm@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <530049.21163.qm@web160616.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <688087.2631.qm@web160611.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000601cc213b$2474e750$6d5eb5f0$@math.utah.edu> I use an EMU 1820 with DiscWelder and Wave Lab. Tedious as well but worth it! Vic From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fergus Cullen Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 12:28 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving I use Pro-Tools. And yes, it is tedious! Fergus On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 6:09 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Cheryl, I started off with Cool Edit Pro on Windows , then eventually switched to Audacity running both on a iMac and a MacBook Pro. Regards, Bala _____ From: Cheryl Kaupp To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 1:10:56 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] LP archiving Bala, What software are you using? Thanks, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 3:38 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving I am archiving many old and rare tape recordings onto digital now. After much trials, I managed to get the right format and setup that gives ticks all the boxes in terms of a digital format. It is a tedious task, but one that may be very important for posterity. Regards, Bala _____ From: fripp_em To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 7:11:31 AM Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving I seem to remember there was someone on naktalk (West of the Mississippi) who did professional transfers of cassette and LP collections to digital? I can't remember who that was but I know someone who wants to do this with a large collection of LPs (I guess some are rare). If it was one or two records I'd consider it, but it's not my career:-) Anyone remember who that was? 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URL: From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Thu Jun 2 19:08:45 2011 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 11:08:45 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi dragon In-Reply-To: <881681.42720.qm@web137315.mail.in.yahoo.com> References: <881681.42720.qm@web137315.mail.in.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007b01cc2147$bafdc690$30f953b0$@math.utah.edu> Sounds to me like the counter light need to be replaced. Vic From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of shashi kumar Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 3:15 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi dragon Dear Sir/madam, I have got you email address through Google search. It appears that you are expert in service of nakamichi products or nakamichi vintage products. I am writing this mail from Delhi, India and need your help in restoration of my nakamichi dragon cassette deck. I understand that it is not economically viable to send the cassette deck at your doorsteps but parts and other advices from you can definitely be sought. Sir, the problem is that cassette deck is not working properly in auto reverse mode. In auto reverse mode when I play my deck in forward play mode then it reverses back to reverse play mode when the cassette ends but does not come back in forward play mode from the reverse play mode inspite of the fact that auto reverse switch as well as loop switch just below the auto reverse switch is in on mode. There is no other problem of any kind in the cassette deck. I have got my deck checked up with technician over here and he has suggested that IC located as IC602 on the logic PCB is not functioning properly or in other words the same is defective. As per service manual the part number is 0B06392A described as IC – LM6416E-149. 1. Please advice whether the opinion of the technician appears to be correct? 2. Whether the said part i.e. IC602 on the logic PCB bearing part number is 0B06392A described as IC – LM6416E-149 is available with you if yes then what is the cost etc. I hope you will revert back with some positive result. Thanking you Shashi kumar -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Thu Jun 2 21:25:21 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 09:25:21 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving In-Reply-To: References: <272692.69932.qm@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com><530049.21163.qm@web160616.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><688087.2631.qm@web160611.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks Bala and Fergus! _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fergus Cullen Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 8:28 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving I use Pro-Tools. And yes, it is tedious! Fergus On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 6:09 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Cheryl, I started off with Cool Edit Pro on Windows , then eventually switched to Audacity running both on a iMac and a MacBook Pro. Regards, Bala _____ From: Cheryl Kaupp To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 1:10:56 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] LP archiving Bala, What software are you using? Thanks, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 3:38 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving I am archiving many old and rare tape recordings onto digital now. After much trials, I managed to get the right format and setup that gives ticks all the boxes in terms of a digital format. It is a tedious task, but one that may be very important for posterity. Regards, Bala _____ From: fripp_em To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 7:11:31 AM Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving I seem to remember there was someone on naktalk (West of the Mississippi) who did professional transfers of cassette and LP collections to digital? I can't remember who that was but I know someone who wants to do this with a large collection of LPs (I guess some are rare). If it was one or two records I'd consider it, but it's not my career:-) Anyone remember who that was? Thanks, David ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- Fergus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Thu Jun 2 21:44:06 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 12:44:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi dragon In-Reply-To: <881681.42720.qm@web137315.mail.in.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <543252.68963.qm@web130110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Shashi, You email was addressed to the NakTalk email list. As such, it was received by a group of people, not just a specific individual. As to the subject matter: there are several possible causes to your Dragon problem, one of which (but not necessarily most prevalent) is, indeed, a faulty IC602. Unfortunately, this part is no longer available and it's difficult to locate a replacement. Your best bet is a IC cannibalized from a donor deck, though these are rare. Before proceeding, I suggest you make absolutely certain that the problem is caused by this part. Good luck, -- Ron --- On Thu, 6/2/11, shashi kumar wrote: From: shashi kumar Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi dragon To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, June 2, 2011, 5:15 AM Dear Sir/madam, I have got you email address through Google search. It appears that you are expert in service of nakamichi products or nakamichi vintage products. I am writing this mail from Delhi, India and need your help in restoration of my nakamichi dragon cassette deck. I understand that it is not economically viable to send the cassette deck at your doorsteps but parts and other advices from you can definitely be sought. Sir, the problem is that cassette deck is not working properly in auto reverse mode. In auto reverse mode when I play my deck in forward play mode then it reverses back to reverse play mode when the cassette ends but does not come back in forward play mode from the reverse play mode inspite of the fact that auto reverse switch as well as loop switch just below the auto reverse switch is in on mode. There is no other problem of any kind in the cassette deck. I have got my deck checked up with technician over here and he has suggested that IC located as IC602 on the logic PCB is not functioning properly or in other words the same is defective. As per service manual the part number is 0B06392A described as IC – LM6416E-149. 1.     Please advice whether the opinion of the technician appears to be correct? 2.     Whether the said part i.e. IC602 on the logic PCB bearing part number is 0B06392A described as IC – LM6416E-149 is available with you if yes then what is the cost etc.   I hope you will revert back with some positive result.   Thanking you   Shashi kumar -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com Thu Jun 2 23:00:56 2011 From: juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com (Julie Kessler) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 16:00:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving In-Reply-To: <192490.46848.qm@web130106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <192490.46848.qm@web130106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi David, Actually, Kermit specializes in 78s, as well as cylinder records. He has a large collection of custom-made styli of various sizes and profiles to track any known disc with the least distortion, along with quite alot of custom-made equipment. Presently he (and we at the studio) have custom-programmed DAW software made for archival re-recording of 78s from the earliest Berliner discs up tot he end of the 78 format. Kermit's been doing archival re-recording since 1987, when he was an engineer (together with the late R. l. "Mac" Macdonald, who was a legend in archival work) for the Marr Sound Archive when it first began. He was trained in archival re-recording by engineers from the Library of Congress, Steve Smolian and "Mac." My guess is that his prior experience as both an equipment designer and as a LP mastering engineer in the 1970's was a real help to him. I know he hears problems and details in LPs that I can't, and that Dave the studio tech and Paul our resident phono guru never hear. I think mastering engineers hear different from audiophiles and the average listener. The equipment he uses for re-recording analog disc includes: * Rabco ST7 straight-line tracking turntable, with Ortofon VMS-20 and Stanton 681EEE. Turntable is highly modified, can handle disc speeds from 16-2/3 rpm to 100 rpm, and is mounted on a custom-engineered isolation platform, and fitted with a record clamping system to ensure disc flatness during reproduction. * Several custom styli of differing diameters and profiles to ensure that each disc record is correctly tracked because the stylus fits the groove precisely. * KVG Laboratories 76EQ phono preamplifier equipped to compensate for nearly all known record playback equalization characteristics. * KVG Laboratories K-DAW II Disc Archivist software, together with Logic Pro, Reason Record, and numerous proprietary and third party plugins. * Revox A77 Dolby (highly modified). * Revox B77-HS ( highly modified). * Revox B710 Mk. II (highly modified). * Nakamichi 600. * Nakamichi 680ZX. * dbx 117 Compressor/Expander (modified). * KVG Laboratories 82A Dynamics Processor (compressor/expander). * Symetrix 422 automatic gain control. * KVG Laboratories 91SG Spatial Image Optimizer. * KVG Laboratories 92MPQ Mastering Program Equalizer. * KVG Laboratories 96CMPS Correlator Precision Metering System. * Shure AudioMaster (EQ system) [highly modified]. * Burwen TNE-7000 Transient Noise Eliminator (record declicker). * SAE 5000A Transient Noise Reduction (record declicker) * Crown D-75 stereo amplifier. * KVG Laboratories L-81G Spatial Image Reference Loudspeakers. * Edison Standard Cylinder Phonograph, circa 1903, fitted with KVG Laboratories custom engineered microphone. VPI HW-16.5 Archival Vacuum Disc Record Cleaning Machine. On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 10:46 PM, fripp_em wrote: > Yeah, my first thought when my friend brought this up was I've been meaning > to archive some of my LPs/tapes and just haven't gotten around to it so > maybe I should take this on, but when he mentioned 100s of LP 33 rpm AND > many various 78s which would need the correct EQ (do I even have a working > 78 player?) I relised he needed professional help. Kermit actually does > this so I'll have him check out Kermit and see if that is what he wants. > > David > > --- On Wed, 6/1/11, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > I am archiving many old and rare tape recordings onto digital now. After > much trials, I managed to get the right format and setup that gives ticks > all the boxes in terms of a digital format. 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URL: From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com Thu Jun 2 23:33:07 2011 From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 23:33:07 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Luis' Cal- Tapes on TapeHeads (Was Re: some dragon's pics and info on cal tapes shipping) In-Reply-To: <3D43CEAE-A124-4064-91F3-5CC7C04FD685@peromarta.org> References: <81EFF9DA-6F25-4269-92DD-860201BD5392@tiscali.it> <7F80BC75-E57F-4DE9-8EDF-6AAF389CBC71@peebles-engineering.com> <0A70DFF2-F80A-4109-98DC-BE9904D9A9A3@tiscali.it> <9FD99362-C770-414D-92C0-7761CB9D2981@peromarta.org> <3D43CEAE-A124-4064-91F3-5CC7C04FD685@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <85841BB5-1C78-46AE-AD1B-3D94911F4208@gmail.com> Hi Mike, and all listeners, I,am recording Level and Azimuth test cassettes in europe. The used Decks need a like New Bias Oscillator. The Orginal PP-cups are still on sale in japan. The Cassette should be not longer than 30 min. and the recording should be made in the middle part of the cassette. One of the best cassettes to record 15kHz for azimuth would be a TDK- MA 46 from 1985 to 1990. Because of the bigger spool, just like them used for the original tapes. The Deck to record Test Tapes must me calibrated with the complete set of original Naka Test tapes. Including the 1 KHZ Track Alignment Cassette DA09007B or A. A new azimuth alignment tape must show the same Level and azimuth like the original Nakamichi tape, played back a short time ago. Play the original and the NEW tape on the same Deck and the same Audio Analyzer to check the quality. My be I forgot some important points for making this recordings right now, like a perfect transport and pinch rollers. The Idea is that the New Test-Cassette shows the same level on any Cassette Deck like a original cassette does. We all, or some Nak- Decks do that automatically , set the record head azimuth, we can take care for the play back azimuth some times. If you have little time left please look this you Tube. 30sec. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAiwsvtkOIA kind regards Gerhard Am 02.06.2011 um 16:57 schrieb Luis Peromarta Regert: > This is certainly not the standard. I encourage you to ship them > back for review. It has happen a couple of times tapes have been > damaged while in transit. Both mechanically and magnetically, > probably due to parcel scanning or the alike. > > I have not had a single negative feedback on eBay. > > Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. > > El 02/06/2011, a las 07:05, vidguy vidguy > escribió: > >> Luis, I myself have a set of your tapes. >> >> Unfortunately, I share Perry's opinion. >> >> The 400hz/1khz tape has regular physical damage, a depressed area >> 90 deg to the tape path, on a consistant basis. >> As well, the 15khz changes amplitude twice., I measure 6db >> difference near the 3 min mark. >> >> The 400hz/1kz tape is so bad, my AC MV meter jumps around...alot. >> >> Now, I don't have fancy test gear. >> However, I was able to make my own 15khz azimuth tape using my >> ZX-7, and it performed a lot better than the tape supplied. >> >> On top of that, it took almost 2 months for delivery. >> >> But then, it's just my opinion. >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> From: luis at peromarta.org >> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 21:14:00 +0200 >> To: davide.schmid at tiscali.it >> CC: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] Luis' Cal- Tapes on TapeHeads (Was Re: some >> dragon's pics and info on cal tapes shipping) >> >> Yes Davide, Perry is an active member of NakTalk. >> >> Regarding >> >> http://www.tapeheads.net/showthread.php?t=13254 >> >> His opinion is just that, but his claims are false. I use NOS >> EMTEC CrO2 tape of great quality. Alignment is near perfect using >> this set of cal tapes, and this has been acknowledged by a lot of >> techs and senior members on the list. He probably can do the same >> for a lot less, no doubt about it, and I encourage him to go ahead >> and do it. >> >> I would however recommend you to try and buy a set of originals, >> if you are able to find them, these are THE reference. If you >> can't come across a set of these, I am pretty sure you can do with >> a set of mines. >> >> You can read a lot of feedback on my naks.es page (all positive) >> but also on the ebay listing (All positive too !). I am copying >> the NakTalk list here too, where dozens of members have bought >> this set of tapes and are definitively happy with the result. >> >> With Best rgds, LP. >> >> >> El 01/06/2011, a las 20:58, Davide Schmid escribió: >> >> Thanks for answer Luis. >> >> Just to let you know, i happened to read one thread on TH from >> Perry (maybe you already know him from Naktalk) that doesn't >> exactly advertise your set of cal tapes. >> >> http://www.tapeheads.net/showthread.php?t=13254 >> >> that sucks big time ... >> >> Best, regards, >> >> Davide >> >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 2 23:33:04 2011 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 14:33:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Luis' Cal- Tapes on TapeHeads (Was Re: some dragon's pics and info on cal tapes shipping) In-Reply-To: <3D43CEAE-A124-4064-91F3-5CC7C04FD685@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <670425.29561.qm@web112709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Luis, I have bought your test tapes too and I have the same issue of amplitude variation in all 4 frequencies sporadically. However, it does solve my purpose. Your tapes themselves are not of top notch quality to begin with. If it was a TDK MA46 or even a TDKSA46 the quality quality of tape would have negated his amplitude loss at times. Ebay feedback is given on such items ( like Tapes) upon recept and not after some length of use. So that does not matter.For example, I bought a set of TDK KR90 from a high volume seller on ebay ( and our member here- no names please ) sealed and all, gave a positive, but the tapes were junk. The moment I fed a Nak and pressed rewound the tape broke! happened on 4/12 tapes. The seller did get a positive! See what I mean??( That seller did take back the rest of he tapes though, and continues to sell it on ebay!) Just my experience. Ram. --- On Thu, 6/2/11, Luis Peromarta Regert wrote: From: Luis Peromarta Regert Subject: Re: [naktalk] Luis' Cal- Tapes on TapeHeads (Was Re: some dragon's pics and info on cal tapes shipping) To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, June 2, 2011, 10:57 AM This is certainly not the standard.  I encourage you to ship them back for review. It has happen a couple of times tapes have been damaged while in transit. Both mechanically and magnetically, probably due to parcel scanning or the alike.  I have not had a single negative feedback on eBay. Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. El 02/06/2011, a las 07:05, vidguy vidguy escribió: Luis, I myself have a set of your tapes. Unfortunately, I share Perry's opinion. The 400hz/1khz tape has regular physical damage, a depressed area 90 deg to the tape path, on a consistant basis. As well, the 15khz changes amplitude twice., I measure 6db difference near the 3 min mark. The 400hz/1kz tape is so bad, my AC MV meter jumps around...alot. Now, I don't have fancy test gear. However, I was able to make my own 15khz azimuth tape using my ZX-7, and it performed a lot better than the tape supplied. On top of that, it took almost 2 months for delivery. But then, it's just my opinion. Mike From: luis at peromarta.org Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 21:14:00 +0200 To: davide.schmid at tiscali.it CC: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Luis' Cal- Tapes on TapeHeads (Was Re: some dragon's pics and info on cal tapes shipping) Yes Davide, Perry is an active member of NakTalk. Regarding  http://www.tapeheads.net/showthread.php?t=13254 His opinion is just that, but his claims are false. I use NOS EMTEC CrO2 tape of great quality. Alignment is near perfect using this set of cal tapes, and this has been acknowledged  by a lot of techs and senior members on the list. He probably can do the same for a lot less, no doubt about it, and I encourage him to go ahead and do it. I would however recommend you to try and buy a set of originals, if you are able to find them, these are THE reference. If you can't come across a set of these, I am pretty sure you can do with a set of mines. You can read a lot of feedback on my naks.es page (all positive) but also on the ebay listing (All positive too !). I am copying the NakTalk list here too, where dozens of members have bought this set of tapes and are definitively happy with the result. With Best rgds, LP. El 01/06/2011, a las 20:58, Davide Schmid escribió: Thanks for answer Luis. Just to let you know, i happened to read one thread on TH from Perry (maybe you already know him from Naktalk) that doesn't exactly advertise your set of cal tapes. http://www.tapeheads.net/showthread.php?t=13254 that sucks big time ... 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URL: From rkrause at multiplan.com.br Thu Jun 2 14:11:10 2011 From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 09:11:10 -0300 Subject: Res: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico In-Reply-To: <530049.21163.qm@web160616.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40338E0F8@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br> Hi Bala, Would you mind sharing with us how you are doing this? I'm starting to look up how to put my wonderful "olies" ontape into digital. I'd much appreciate any inputs. Thank you in advance for any info you may share. Best regards, Rodrigo ________________________________ De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Enviada em: Wed Jun 01 22:38:15 2011 Assunto: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving I am archiving many old and rare tape recordings onto digital now. After much trials, I managed to get the right format and setup that gives ticks all the boxes in terms of a digital format. It is a tedious task, but one that may be very important for posterity. Regards, Bala ________________________________ From: fripp_em To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 7:11:31 AM Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving I seem to remember there was someone on naktalk (West of the Mississippi) who did professional transfers of cassette and LP collections to digital? I can't remember who that was but I know someone who wants to do this with a large collection of LPs (I guess some are rare). If it was one or two records I'd consider it, but it's not my career:-) Anyone remember who that was? 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URL: From dgb100 at psu.edu Thu Jun 2 14:14:54 2011 From: dgb100 at psu.edu (Beckner, Derrick) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 08:14:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving In-Reply-To: <688087.2631.qm@web160611.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <272692.69932.qm@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <530049.21163.qm@web160616.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <688087.2631.qm@web160611.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I use MAGIX Audio Cleaning Lab 17 (up to 24/48) which has a really great interface and is easy to use. I use Audacity for any recordings I want at 24/96 but don't like the interface nearly as much, but of course it is free. Use a Soundblaster external USB X-Fi HD http://uk.store.creative.com/sound-blaster/sound-blaster-x-fi-hd/1-19829.aspx USB eliminates any internal computer noise from your recording. Any standard issue internal soundcard is going to sound like butt. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 1:10 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving Cheryl, I started off with Cool Edit Pro on Windows , then eventually switched to Audacity running both on a iMac and a MacBook Pro. Regards, Bala ________________________________ From: Cheryl Kaupp To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 1:10:56 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] LP archiving Bala, What software are you using? Thanks, Cheryl ________________________________ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 3:38 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving I am archiving many old and rare tape recordings onto digital now. After much trials, I managed to get the right format and setup that gives ticks all the boxes in terms of a digital format. It is a tedious task, but one that may be very important for posterity. Regards, Bala ________________________________ From: fripp_em To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 7:11:31 AM Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving I seem to remember there was someone on naktalk (West of the Mississippi) who did professional transfers of cassette and LP collections to digital? I can't remember who that was but I know someone who wants to do this with a large collection of LPs (I guess some are rare). If it was one or two records I'd consider it, but it's not my career:-) Anyone remember who that was? Thanks, David ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fergus.cullen at gmail.com Thu Jun 2 16:14:00 2011 From: fergus.cullen at gmail.com (Fergus Cullen) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 15:14:00 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving In-Reply-To: References: <272692.69932.qm@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Nice set-up Rick! On 2 Jun 2011 14:03, "Rick Hils" wrote: > > If you want, give them my name. I can make very nice transfers. I use a > Thorens TD 145 with Shure V15 III and I also have a Lenco heavy platter > table than has infinite speed adjust from 16 rpm to 78 rpm. I can either > go straight into my E-MU 96/24 convertor or first into my Nak BX-300 > and then to the DAC. > The situation is that I am close to the 91601 > zip code (Los Angeles area) and can possibly pick up the records myself. > I would do one record side to see if it meets with your friends needs. > Rick > email: rhils at hotmail.com > >> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 14:11:31 -0700 >> From: fripp_em at yahoo.com >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving >> >> I seem to remember there was someone on naktalk (West of the Mississippi) who did professional transfers of cassette and LP collections to digital? I can't remember who that was but I know someone who wants to do this with a large collection of LPs (I guess some are rare). If it was one or two records I'd consider it, but it's not my career:-) Anyone remember who that was? >> >> Thanks, >> David >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmlevitz at yahoo.com Thu Jun 2 16:40:18 2011 From: jmlevitz at yahoo.com (jayson levitz) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 07:40:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving In-Reply-To: <192490.46848.qm@web130106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <192490.46848.qm@web130106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <248438.87309.qm@web161916.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hi Naktalk members. Help me out here, and I may start a long, long discussion.  Why would anyone want to transfer tapes and LPs to digital in the first place?  Tapes recorded on a high-end Nak from LPs in good condition played on a high-end turntable with a high-end tone arm and a high-end cartridge sound better than any digital recording.  Indeed, in audiophile circles, it is a well known fact that in general, analog sounds better than digital.   Jayson ________________________________ From: fripp_em To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wed, June 1, 2011 11:46:24 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving Yeah, my first thought when my friend brought this up was I've been meaning to archive some of my LPs/tapes and just haven't gotten around to it so maybe I should take this on, but when he mentioned 100s of LP 33 rpm AND many various 78s which would need the correct EQ (do I even have a working 78 player?) I relised he needed professional help.  Kermit actually does this so I'll have him check out Kermit and see if that is what he wants. David --- On Wed, 6/1/11, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: I am archiving many old and rare tape recordings onto digital now. After much trials, I managed to get the right format and setup that gives ticks all the boxes in terms of a digital format. It is a tedious task, but one that may be very important for posterity. Regards, Bala ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jontebus at comhem.se Thu Jun 2 17:59:08 2011 From: jontebus at comhem.se (Jonas Karlsson) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 17:59:08 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Speed problems - Nakamichi Dragon Message-ID: <6A718F14-5216-4A33-80B7-DEC596B5B6A0@comhem.se> Hi! Got my hands on a well taken care of Nakamichi Dragon a week ago, and it worked fine when testing it at the seller's house. After I got back home, however, I found out that it does not work properly with the auto reverse function, it just wont play them both ways. Also, from time to time, it slows down the speed of the tape being played (after 5-10 seconds).... is it just a cleaning-up that's needed or do I have to worry it's gonna cost me to fix? Thankful for any answer! Don't hesitate to contact me to correspond via e-mail: jontebus at comhem.se /Jonas Karlsson, Sweden From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 2 18:26:52 2011 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 09:26:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Luis' Cal- Tapes on TapeHeads (Was Re: some dragon's pics and info on cal tapes shipping) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <752691.94227.qm@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Luis, I have a set of your tapes and they seem to be very consistent as they play through. I've used them to cal about 3 or 4 decks in the last few years. Bob N --- On Wed, 6/1/11, vidguy vidguy wrote: From: vidguy vidguy Subject: RE: [naktalk] Luis' Cal- Tapes on TapeHeads (Was Re: some dragon's pics and info on cal tapes shipping) To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, June 1, 2011, 10:05 PM Luis, I myself have a set of your tapes. Unfortunately, I share Perry's opinion. The 400hz/1khz tape has regular physical damage, a depressed area 90 deg to the tape path, on a consistant basis. As well, the 15khz changes amplitude twice., I measure 6db difference near the 3 min mark. The 400hz/1kz tape is so bad, my AC MV meter jumps around...alot. Now, I don't have fancy test gear. However, I was able to make my own 15khz azimuth tape using my ZX-7, and it performed a lot better than the tape supplied. On top of that, it took almost 2 months for delivery. But then, it's just my opinion. Mike From: luis at peromarta.org Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 21:14:00 +0200 To: davide.schmid at tiscali.it CC: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Luis' Cal- Tapes on TapeHeads (Was Re: some dragon's pics and info on cal tapes shipping) Yes Davide, Perry is an active member of NakTalk. Regarding  http://www.tapeheads.net/showthread.php?t=13254 His opinion is just that, but his claims are false. I use NOS EMTEC CrO2 tape of great quality. Alignment is near perfect using this set of cal tapes, and this has been acknowledged  by a lot of techs and senior members on the list. He probably can do the same for a lot less, no doubt about it, and I encourage him to go ahead and do it. I would however recommend you to try and buy a set of originals, if you are able to find them, these are THE reference. If you can't come across a set of these, I am pretty sure you can do with a set of mines. You can read a lot of feedback on my naks.es page (all positive) but also on the ebay listing (All positive too !). I am copying the NakTalk list here too, where dozens of members have bought this set of tapes and are definitively happy with the result. With Best rgds, LP. El 01/06/2011, a las 20:58, Davide Schmid escribió: Thanks for answer Luis. Just to let you know, i happened to read one thread on TH from Perry (maybe you already know him from Naktalk) that doesn't exactly advertise your set of cal tapes. http://www.tapeheads.net/showthread.php?t=13254 that sucks big time ... 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URL: From tim.skorick at gmail.com Thu Jun 2 19:26:43 2011 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 12:26:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving In-Reply-To: <688087.2631.qm@web160611.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <272692.69932.qm@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <530049.21163.qm@web160616.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <688087.2631.qm@web160611.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bala, I'm a huge fan of Audacity! What filters do you use after capture to get the recording into top shape? -Tim On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 12:09 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Cheryl, > > I started off with Cool Edit Pro on Windows , then eventually switched to > Audacity running both on a iMac and a MacBook Pro. > > Regards, > Bala > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Cheryl Kaupp > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Thu, June 2, 2011 1:10:56 PM > *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] LP archiving > > > Bala, > > What software are you using? > > Thanks, > Cheryl > > ------------------------------ > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *Bala Ganesh Chandra > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 01, 2011 3:38 PM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] LP archiving > > I am archiving many old and rare tape recordings onto digital now. After > much trials, I managed to get the right format and setup that gives ticks > all the boxes in terms of a digital format. It is a tedious task, but one > that may be very important for posterity. > > Regards, > Bala > > ------------------------------ > *From:* fripp_em > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Sent:* Thu, June 2, 2011 7:11:31 AM > *Subject:* [naktalk] LP archiving > > I seem to remember there was someone on naktalk (West of the Mississippi) > who did professional transfers of cassette and LP collections to digital? I > can't remember who that was but I know someone who wants to do this with a > large collection of LPs (I guess some are rare). 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URL: From rajivdallas at gmail.com Thu Jun 2 19:47:11 2011 From: rajivdallas at gmail.com (rajivdallas at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 17:47:11 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] DR-1 underappreciated??? In-Reply-To: <000001cc20df$f6c80040$e45800c0$@net> References: <000001cc20df$f6c80040$e45800c0$@net> Message-ID: <1861330104-1307036829-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1613388567-@b18.c7.bise6.blackberry> Tim I used to think the same but now I own all the Naks that had PB azimuth control I have to tell you nothing comes close to the CR7 and the Dragon....I cannot articulate in words and your ears have to hear it to understand....DR1 imho is in the lower end of the high end Naks despite what the measurements say.... All that said I don't own the 1000 which people around hear soil themselves over but since it does not have PB azimuth control I don't know how it can outperform the cr7 and Dragon for someone with my needs who uses decks to "play" only...have not recorded on analog cassette in about 15 yrs and doubt I ever will... Rajiv Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "Tim and Pam Sepper" Sender: naktalk-bounces at naks.com Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 21:45:57 To: Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] DR-1 underappreciated??? ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rhils at hotmail.com Thu Jun 2 21:21:06 2011 From: rhils at hotmail.com (Rick Hils) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 12:21:06 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving In-Reply-To: <539442.97382.qm@web160619.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <272692.69932.qm@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, , <539442.97382.qm@web160619.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bala, You ask what type of "phono linearization" do I use? Well, that could cover lots of things starting from the tone arm tracking and then on to the RIAA phono eq fidelity in my Concept receiver and then on to the impedance match between the receiver outputs and the E-MU A/D converter inputs. To be fair, I haven't checked the linearity of my RCA phono cables lately so that might be what you are asking about. I don't know. The anti-skate on my tone arm may be set a quarter of a gram off. But the art of vinyl record reproduction has and always will be a compromise of imperfections. We all make reasonable attempts to achieve the best sound, and that means to our own ears as well as what the test equipment shows. For me, the two most important issues are the musicality of the phono cartridge and the clear sound of the playback speakers. What counts is that we get enjoyment from listening. Regards- Rick Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 07:33:43 -0700 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving To: naktalk at naks.com Hi Rick, What type of phono linearization do you use? Regards, Bala From: Rick Hils To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 12:14:48 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] LP archiving If you want, give them my name. I can make very nice transfers. I use a Thorens TD 145 with Shure V15 III and I also have a Lenco heavy platter table than has infinite speed adjust from 16 rpm to 78 rpm. I can either go straight into my E-MU 96/24 convertor or first into my Nak BX-300 and then to the DAC. The situation is that I am close to the 91601 zip code (Los Angeles area) and can possibly pick up the records myself. I would do one record side to see if it meets with your friends needs. Rick email: rhils at hotmail.com > Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 14:11:31 -0700 > From: fripp_em at yahoo.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving > > I seem to remember there was someone on naktalk (West of the Mississippi) who did professional transfers of cassette and LP collections to digital? I can't remember who that was but I know someone who wants to do this with a large collection of LPs (I guess some are rare). 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URL: From fergus.cullen at gmail.com Thu Jun 2 21:25:03 2011 From: fergus.cullen at gmail.com (Fergus Cullen) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 20:25:03 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CM-300 Batteries In-Reply-To: <000001cc2134$15d09930$4171cb90$@net> References: <201106021010.p52A8lv2011710@zxe.naks.com> <000001cc2134$15d09930$4171cb90$@net> Message-ID: Thanks for the info Robert. Should come in useful since I found a set of 3 in the original box and also with original clips, leads and outer case/shoulder bag. The previous owner has been using 2 lithium batteries (3v total I think) and has included some for me to use. Would differing voltage result in varying sound quality? Fergus On 2 Jun 2011 19:32, "R Kent" wrote: > Fergus, > I just sold two pristine CM-300 mics on Ebay a couple of months ago. You > should be aware that the Everedy 206 batteries are a fairly snug fit inside > the CM-300, but they work very well. Following is a description of the > battery situation that I researched and used in my recent Ebay ad: > The Nak CM-300s are powered by a single battery. The original battery was a > mercury H-7D 9.45 volt, or replacement TR-126 9.1 volt that are no longer > available. Fortunately, the Eveready 206 or NEDA 1611 9 volt zinc-carbon > will work as an almost perfect replacement, though the slightly larger girth > of these batteries makes for a snug fit. Some 206 batteries, although snug, > will eject from the spring loaded barrel automatically, while others require > some gentle assistance. The new 206 batteries currently installed in both > mics have wire retrieval hooks soldered to their edges (an idea from Willy > Hermann) although I haven't needed them since a good shake will slide them > out. The battery is supposed to last a couple hundred hours so this is not > a real concern. > > The mic is very accommodating of input voltages from as low as 1.5V (some > people have used a single AA battery at 1.5V with success, and others have used > a single CR123 at 3V lithium with a conducting spacer), to as high as 12V. I > also found that stacking two 1/2AA Lithiums at 7.2V fits very nicely, or even > four CR1/3N at 12V in a small plastic sleeve. I have included an old H-7D > battery for size comparison. > Robert Kent > > 1. Re: Looking for CM-300 mics (Fergus Cullen) > From: Fergus Cullen > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Looking for CM-300 mics > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > That link should come in handy. Thanks a lot! > On 1 Jun 2011 08:50, "Al Swett" wrote: >> When I went looking for these batteries 8 years ago, I found a link which > directed me to the Eveready 206 which I found on Amazon just now...$6.39 > from "Batteries". Here's the link with the information (and some other > ideas)...amazing it's still active: > http://www.wagnerone.com/enteract/dat/portable_power/nak.html >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Fergus Cullen >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 6:58 AM >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Looking for CM-300 mics >> >> >> As far as I know you can find them online (expensive I guess) or > substitute with other more readily available ones. >> >> >> On 31 May 2011 08:48, "jim phillips" wrote: >> > Are the correct fitting batteries still available for them? >> > >> > >> > At 06:38 AM 5/28/2011, you wrote: >> >>Hi >> >> >> >>I'm on a mic search again. 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Thank you, Rodrigo De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Bala Ganesh Chandra Enviada em: quinta-feira, 2 de junho de 2011 02:10 Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Assunto: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving Cheryl, I started off with Cool Edit Pro on Windows , then eventually switched to Audacity running both on a iMac and a MacBook Pro. Regards, Bala ________________________________ From: Cheryl Kaupp To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 1:10:56 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] LP archiving Bala, What software are you using? Thanks, Cheryl ________________________________ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 3:38 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving I am archiving many old and rare tape recordings onto digital now. After much trials, I managed to get the right format and setup that gives ticks all the boxes in terms of a digital format. It is a tedious task, but one that may be very important for posterity. Regards, Bala ________________________________ From: fripp_em To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 7:11:31 AM Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving I seem to remember there was someone on naktalk (West of the Mississippi) who did professional transfers of cassette and LP collections to digital? I can't remember who that was but I know someone who wants to do this with a large collection of LPs (I guess some are rare). If it was one or two records I'd consider it, but it's not my career:-) Anyone remember who that was? 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Jun 3 03:07:58 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 18:07:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Luis' Cal- Tapes on TapeHeads (Was Re: some dragon's pics and info on cal tapes shipping) In-Reply-To: <85841BB5-1C78-46AE-AD1B-3D94911F4208@gmail.com> References: <81EFF9DA-6F25-4269-92DD-860201BD5392@tiscali.it> <7F80BC75-E57F-4DE9-8EDF-6AAF389CBC71@peebles-engineering.com> <0A70DFF2-F80A-4109-98DC-BE9904D9A9A3@tiscali.it> <9FD99362-C770-414D-92C0-7761CB9D2981@peromarta.org> <3D43CEAE-A124-4064-91F3-5CC7C04FD685@peromarta.org> <85841BB5-1C78-46AE-AD1B-3D94911F4208@gmail.com> Message-ID: <395187.95659.qm@web160618.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Gutten Tag Gerhard, The plan sounds fine, and you are right about the condition of the transport. What we possibly may need to do is perhaps to run a higher level comparison using an oscilloscope to check the various test tapes against the original Nak tapes. Also, rather then using a C-46, a C-6 would be much better because there would be lesser tape to spool. I suppose Emtec still makes those, which is what Luis is using. Bala ________________________________ From: Gerhard Wartha To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Fri, June 3, 2011 7:33:07 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Luis' Cal- Tapes on TapeHeads (Was Re: some dragon's pics and info on cal tapes shipping) Hi Mike, and all listeners, I,am recording Level and Azimuth test cassettes in europe. The used Decks need a like New Bias Oscillator. The Orginal PP-cups are still on sale in japan. The Cassette should be not longer than 30 min. and the recording should be made in the middle part of the cassette. One of the best cassettes to record 15kHz for azimuth would be a TDK-MA 46 from 1985 to 1990. Because of the bigger spool, just like them used for the original tapes. The Deck to record Test Tapes must me calibrated with the complete set of original Naka Test tapes. Including the 1 KHZ Track Alignment Cassette DA09007B or A. A new azimuth alignment tape must show the same Level and azimuth like the original Nakamichi tape, played back a short time ago. Play the original and the NEW tape on the same Deck and the same Audio Analyzer to check the quality. My be I forgot some important points for making this recordings right now, like a perfect transport and pinch rollers. The Idea is that the New Test-Cassette shows the same level on any Cassette Deck like a original cassette does. We all, or some Nak- Decks do that automatically , set the record head azimuth, we can take care for the play back azimuth some times. If you have little time left please look this you Tube. 30sec. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAiwsvtkOIA kind regards Gerhard Am 02.06.2011 um 16:57 schrieb Luis Peromarta Regert: This is certainly not the standard. I encourage you to ship them back for review. It has happen a couple of times tapes have been damaged while in transit. Both mechanically and magnetically, probably due to parcel scanning or the alike. > > >I have not had a single negative feedback on eBay. > >Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos. > >El 02/06/2011, a las 07:05, vidguy vidguy escribió: > > >Luis, I myself have a set of your tapes. >> >>Unfortunately, I share Perry's opinion. >> >>The 400hz/1khz tape has regular physical damage, a depressed area 90 deg to the >>tape path, on a consistant basis. >>As well, the 15khz changes amplitude twice., I measure 6db difference near the 3 >>min mark. >> >>The 400hz/1kz tape is so bad, my AC MV meter jumps around...alot. >> >>Now, I don't have fancy test gear. >>However, I was able to make my own 15khz azimuth tape using my ZX-7, and it >>performed a lot better than the tape supplied. >> >>On top of that, it took almost 2 months for delivery. >> >>But then, it's just my opinion. >> >>Mike >> >> >> >>________________________________ From: luis at peromarta.org >>Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 21:14:00 +0200 >>To: davide.schmid at tiscali.it >>CC: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: [naktalk] Luis' Cal- Tapes on TapeHeads (Was Re: some dragon's pics and >>info on cal tapes shipping) >> >>Yes Davide, Perry is an active member of NakTalk. >> >> >>Regarding >> >> >>http://www.tapeheads.net/showthread.php?t=13254 >> >> >>His opinion is just that, but his claims are false. I use NOS EMTEC CrO2 tape of >>great quality. Alignment is near perfect using this set of cal tapes, and this >>has been acknowledged by a lot of techs and senior members on the list. He >>probably can do the same for a lot less, no doubt about it, and I encourage him >>to go ahead and do it. >> >> >>I would however recommend you to try and buy a set of originals, if you are able >>to find them, these are THE reference. If you can't come across a set of these, >>I am pretty sure you can do with a set of mines. >> >> >>You can read a lot of feedback on my naks.es page (all positive) but also on the >>ebay listing (All positive too !). I am copying the NakTalk list here too, where >>dozens of members have bought this set of tapes and are definitively happy with >>the result. >> >> >>With Best rgds, LP. >> >> >> >> >>El 01/06/2011, a las 20:58, Davide Schmid escribió: >> >>Thanks for answer Luis. >>> >>>Just to let you know, i happened to read one thread on TH from Perry (maybe you >>>already know him from Naktalk) that doesn't exactly advertise your set of cal >>>tapes. >>> >>>http://www.tapeheads.net/showthread.php?t=13254 >>> >>>that sucks big time ... >>> >>>Best, regards, >>> >>>Davide >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>Naktalk at naks.commailinglist Maintain your account here: >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Jun 3 03:14:00 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 18:14:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving In-Reply-To: References: <272692.69932.qm@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <530049.21163.qm@web160616.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <688087.2631.qm@web160611.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <502575.16879.qm@web160608.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> They have a very different work-flow. I found Cool-Edit Pro (which is now know as Adobe Auditions) was very good but the Windows platform meant that I could tweak the hardware. I used a Terratec soundcard on a custom rig - wasn't the best but was much better then an off-the-shelf workstation. I always debated upgrading to a Lynx card, but decided to invest on the iMac. Mac hardware (obviously!) sounds much better then the Terratec rig. Bala ________________________________ From: Fergus Cullen To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 4:28:14 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving I use Pro-Tools. And yes, it is tedious! Fergus On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 6:09 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Cheryl, > >I started off with Cool Edit Pro on Windows , then eventually switched to >Audacity running both on a iMac and a MacBook Pro. > > >Regards, >Bala > > > > > > ________________________________ From: Cheryl Kaupp >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 1:10:56 PM >Subject: RE: [naktalk] LP archiving > > > > >Bala, > >What software are you using? > >Thanks, >Cheryl > > ________________________________ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra >Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 3:38 PM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving > > >I am archiving many old and rare tape recordings onto digital now. After much >trials, I managed to get the right format and setup that gives ticks all the >boxes in terms of a digital format. It is a tedious task, but one that may be >very important for posterity. > > >Regards, >Bala > > > > ________________________________ From: fripp_em >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 7:11:31 AM >Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving > >I seem to remember there was someone on naktalk (West of the Mississippi) who >did professional transfers of cassette and LP collections to digital? I can't >remember who that was but I know someone who wants to do this with a large >collection of LPs (I guess some are rare). 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The files are exported to FLAC for listening (via the Fluke utility which allows for playing FLAC files on the iMac). Hope this helps. Regards, Bala ________________________________ From: Rodrigo Krause To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 10:11:10 PM Subject: Res: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico Hi Bala, Would you mind sharing with us how you are doing this? I'm starting to look up how to put my wonderful "olies" ontape into digital. I'd much appreciate any inputs. Thank you in advance for any info you may share. Best regards, Rodrigo ________________________________ De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Enviada em: Wed Jun 01 22:38:15 2011 Assunto: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving I am archiving many old and rare tape recordings onto digital now. After much trials, I managed to get the right format and setup that gives ticks all the boxes in terms of a digital format. It is a tedious task, but one that may be very important for posterity. Regards, Bala ________________________________ From: fripp_em To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 7:11:31 AM Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving I seem to remember there was someone on naktalk (West of the Mississippi) who did professional transfers of cassette and LP collections to digital? I can't remember who that was but I know someone who wants to do this with a large collection of LPs (I guess some are rare). If it was one or two records I'd consider it, but it's not my career:-) Anyone remember who that was? 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Audacity has several record EQs listed under "Effect...Equalization." 4. Choose whichever EQ matches the disc. You can tweak the EQ graphically to correct for worn or off-standard discs. 5. Next, choose "Noise Removal." Delesect the file. Select a small part of the file where there is silence between tracks. Click "Get Noise Profile." Now, select the whole audio file and choose "Noise Removal" again. This time just click OK. The default setting works okay, but you may have to Undo and retry a few times to get the best results. 6. Now, listen to the whole audio file and when you get to silence between tracks highlight the silence between tracks and choose "Insert Silence." 7. Finally, go back and "cut up" the file into separate tracks by highlighting the waveform of the song and go to File..Export Selection." Name the file accordingly and choose the appropriate file formats to match what you want to do with the files. We recommend against using the Normalize or Compressor effects because they can really hurt the sound of your transfer but you can use them if you think they sound good, of course. I hope this helps! On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 7:11 AM, Rodrigo Krause wrote: > Hi Bala, > Would you mind sharing with us how you are doing this? I'm starting to look > up how to put my wonderful "olies" ontape into digital. > I'd much appreciate any inputs. > Thank you in advance for any info you may share. > Best regards, > Rodrigo > > ------------------------------ > *De*: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > *Para*: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Enviada em*: Wed Jun 01 22:38:15 2011 > *Assunto*: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving > > I am archiving many old and rare tape recordings onto digital now. After > much trials, I managed to get the right format and setup that gives ticks > all the boxes in terms of a digital format. It is a tedious task, but one > that may be very important for posterity. > > Regards, > Bala > > ------------------------------ > *From:* fripp_em > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Sent:* Thu, June 2, 2011 7:11:31 AM > *Subject:* [naktalk] LP archiving > > I seem to remember there was someone on naktalk (West of the Mississippi) > who did professional transfers of cassette and LP collections to digital? I > can't remember who that was but I know someone who wants to do this with a > large collection of LPs (I guess some are rare). If it was one or two > records I'd consider it, but it's not my career:-) Anyone remember who that > was? > > Thanks, > David > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes privilegiadas e/ou > de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem autorizacao do > remetente. > > Portanto, se voce recebeu esta mensagem por engano, por favor, nos informe > respondendo imediatamente a este e-mail e em seguida apague-a. > > A empresa MULTIPLAN nao se responsabiliza por conclusoes, opinioes, ou outras > informacoes nesta mensagem que nao se relacionem com sua linha de negocios. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered http://www.kvglabs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com Fri Jun 3 05:10:15 2011 From: juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com (Julie Kessler) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 22:10:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving In-Reply-To: <248438.87309.qm@web161916.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <192490.46848.qm@web130106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <248438.87309.qm@web161916.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Jayson, Well, maybe so I can take my tapes and LPs with me when all I have room and weight to carry is my iPhone? Or to have my music with me on my Macbook Pro so I can have background music out on location? I love my Nakamichi 550, Revox A77 Dolby and KVG Laboratories Disc Archivist KDA-12 turntable but I can't carry them out on sales calls, or to the lake, or while I'm out at the mall shopping, or when I'm on location doing other work. I know I'm a beginner, but I've found just as many audiophiles who think analog is not as good as digital as I've found those who are of the "Analog or Die" school of thought, so I don't think you can make a sweeping assumption. On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 9:40 AM, jayson levitz wrote: > Hi Naktalk members. > > Help me out here, and I may start a long, long discussion. > > Why would anyone want to transfer tapes and LPs to digital in the first > place? Tapes recorded on a high-end Nak from LPs in good condition played > on a high-end turntable with a high-end tone arm and a high-end cartridge > sound better than any digital recording. Indeed, in audiophile circles, it > is a well known fact that in general, analog sounds better than digital. > > Jayson > > ------------------------------ > *From:* fripp_em > > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Wed, June 1, 2011 11:46:24 PM > > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] LP archiving > > Yeah, my first thought when my friend brought this up was I've been meaning > to archive some of my LPs/tapes and just haven't gotten around to it so > maybe I should take this on, but when he mentioned 100s of LP 33 rpm AND > many various 78s which would need the correct EQ (do I even have a working > 78 player?) I relised he needed professional help. Kermit actually does > this so I'll have him check out Kermit and see if that is what he wants. > > David > > --- On Wed, 6/1/11, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > I am archiving many old and rare tape recordings onto digital now. After > much trials, I managed to get the right format and setup that gives ticks > all the boxes in terms of a digital format. It is a tedious task, but one > that may be very important for posterity. > > Regards, > Bala > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! 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Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of jayson levitz Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 4:40 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving Hi Naktalk members. Help me out here, and I may start a long, long discussion. Why would anyone want to transfer tapes and LPs to digital in the first place? Tapes recorded on a high-end Nak from LPs in good condition played on a high-end turntable with a high-end tone arm and a high-end cartridge sound better than any digital recording. Indeed, in audiophile circles, it is a well known fact that in general, analog sounds better than digital. Jayson _____ From: fripp_em To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wed, June 1, 2011 11:46:24 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving Yeah, my first thought when my friend brought this up was I've been meaning to archive some of my LPs/tapes and just haven't gotten around to it so maybe I should take this on, but when he mentioned 100s of LP 33 rpm AND many various 78s which would need the correct EQ (do I even have a working 78 player?) I relised he needed professional help. Kermit actually does this so I'll have him check out Kermit and see if that is what he wants. David --- On Wed, 6/1/11, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: I am archiving many old and rare tape recordings onto digital now. After much trials, I managed to get the right format and setup that gives ticks all the boxes in terms of a digital format. It is a tedious task, but one that may be very important for posterity. Regards, Bala ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Jun 3 05:45:17 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 20:45:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving In-Reply-To: References: <272692.69932.qm@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <530049.21163.qm@web160616.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <688087.2631.qm@web160611.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <449066.24723.qm@web160604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> The internal cards from Terratec and Lynx usually are much much better then standard cards anytime. Lynx's performance has impressed me thus far and may be my next step up. I share your opinions about Audacity, but as with most open source stuff, it works great although it doesn't look so. ________________________________ From: "Beckner, Derrick" To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 10:14:54 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] LP archiving I use MAGIX Audio Cleaning Lab 17 (up to 24/48) which has a really great interface and is easy to use. I use Audacity for any recordings I want at 24/96 but don’t like the interface nearly as much, but of course it is free. Use a Soundblaster external USB X-Fi HD http://uk.store.creative.com/sound-blaster/sound-blaster-x-fi-hd/1-19829.aspx USB eliminates any internal computer noise from your recording. Any standard issue internal soundcard is going to sound like butt. From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 1:10 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving Cheryl, I started off with Cool Edit Pro on Windows , then eventually switched to Audacity running both on a iMac and a MacBook Pro. Regards, Bala ________________________________ From:Cheryl Kaupp To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 1:10:56 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] LP archiving Bala, What software are you using? Thanks, Cheryl ________________________________ From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 3:38 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving I am archiving many old and rare tape recordings onto digital now. After much trials, I managed to get the right format and setup that gives ticks all the boxes in terms of a digital format. It is a tedious task, but one that may be very important for posterity. Regards, Bala ________________________________ From:fripp_em To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 7:11:31 AM Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving I seem to remember there was someone on naktalk (West of the Mississippi) who did professional transfers of cassette and LP collections to digital? I can't remember who that was but I know someone who wants to do this with a large collection of LPs (I guess some are rare). If it was one or two records I'd consider it, but it's not my career:-) Anyone remember who that was? Thanks, David ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Jun 3 07:21:24 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 22:21:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving In-Reply-To: References: <272692.69932.qm@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <530049.21163.qm@web160616.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <688087.2631.qm@web160611.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <240403.98509.qm@web160613.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hi Tim, Audacity is indeed a powerful tool and I have never felt the need for additional features for what I use it for. For tapes, it really depends on the source. A portion of the tapes were from my Dad which were 78s recorded using RIAA standard curves! Also, there was a bit of compression imparted by the substandard electronics. I tweak the eq curves guided by the Spectrum Plotter ( Analyze -> Plot Spectrum) tool to guide sometimes. The Noise Removal and other filters work but seem to leave a cold sound (or is it just me?). What about you Tim? Bala ________________________________ From: Tim Skorick To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Fri, June 3, 2011 3:26:43 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving Bala, I'm a huge fan of Audacity! What filters do you use after capture to get the recording into top shape? -Tim On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 12:09 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Cheryl, > >I started off with Cool Edit Pro on Windows , then eventually switched to >Audacity running both on a iMac and a MacBook Pro. > > >Regards, >Bala > > > > > > ________________________________ From: Cheryl Kaupp >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 1:10:56 PM >Subject: RE: [naktalk] LP archiving > > > > >Bala, > >What software are you using? > >Thanks, >Cheryl > > ________________________________ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra >Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 3:38 PM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving > > >I am archiving many old and rare tape recordings onto digital now. After much >trials, I managed to get the right format and setup that gives ticks all the >boxes in terms of a digital format. It is a tedious task, but one that may be >very important for posterity. > > >Regards, >Bala > > > > ________________________________ From: fripp_em >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 7:11:31 AM >Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving > >I seem to remember there was someone on naktalk (West of the Mississippi) who >did professional transfers of cassette and LP collections to digital? I can't >remember who that was but I know someone who wants to do this with a large >collection of LPs (I guess some are rare). 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URL: From mark8559 at hotmail.com Fri Jun 3 07:37:47 2011 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 23:37:47 -0600 Subject: FW: [naktalk] LP archiving In-Reply-To: <248438.87309.qm@web161916.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <192490.46848.qm@web130106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, <248438.87309.qm@web161916.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Agree. I'm recording my hundreds of LP's to cassette via Dragon, two ZX-7's, and the LX-5. Have yet to try the 680. After the cassette recordings, I'll worry later if and when I record them to MP3, wave files, CD's, etc. I have an Onkyo and a Philips home CD recorder. I experimented with Audacity, recorded a wave file, and was impressed with the sound. Per Naktalk years ago: The best music you can have is recording an LP to a Nak cassette deck and then burning the music to a CD. Or perhaps that has changed? Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 07:40:18 -0700 From: jmlevitz at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving To: naktalk at naks.com Hi Naktalk members. Help me out here, and I may start a long, long discussion. Why would anyone want to transfer tapes and LPs to digital in the first place? Tapes recorded on a high-end Nak from LPs in good condition played on a high-end turntable with a high-end tone arm and a high-end cartridge sound better than any digital recording. Indeed, in audiophile circles, it is a well known fact that in general, analog sounds better than digital. Jayson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Tapes recorded on a high-end Nak from LPs in good > condition played on a high-end turntable with a high-end tone arm > and a high-end cartridge sound better than any digital recording. > Indeed, in audiophile circles, it is a well known fact that in > general, analog sounds better than digital. > > Jayson > > From: fripp_em > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Wed, June 1, 2011 11:46:24 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving > > Yeah, my first thought when my friend brought this up was I've been > meaning to archive some of my LPs/tapes and just haven't gotten > around to it so maybe I should take this on, but when he mentioned > 100s of LP 33 rpm AND many various 78s which would need the correct > EQ (do I even have a working 78 player?) I relised he needed > professional help. Kermit actually does this so I'll have him > check out Kermit and see if that is what he wants. > > David > > --- On Wed, 6/1/11, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > I am archiving many old and rare tape recordings onto digital now. > After much trials, I managed to get the right format and setup that > gives ticks all the boxes in terms of a digital format. 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URL: From rhils at hotmail.com Fri Jun 3 03:41:17 2011 From: rhils at hotmail.com (Rick Hils) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 18:41:17 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving In-Reply-To: References: <272692.69932.qm@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, , <539442.97382.qm@web160619.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, Message-ID: Bala, You ask what type of "phono linearization" do I use? Well, that could cover lots of things starting from the tone arm tracking and then on to the RIAA phono eq fidelity in my Concept receiver and then on to the impedance match between the receiver outputs and the E-MU A/D converter inputs. To be fair, I haven't checked the linearity of my RCA phono cables lately so that might be what you are asking about. I don't know. The anti-skate on my tone arm may be set a quarter of a gram off. But the art of vinyl record reproduction has and always will be a compromise of imperfections. We all make reasonable attempts to achieve the best sound, and that means to our own ears as well as what the test equipment shows. For me, the two most important issues are the musicality of the phono cartridge and the clear sound of the playback speakers. What counts is that we get enjoyment from listening. Regards- Rick Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 07:33:43 -0700 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving To: naktalk at naks.com Hi Rick, What type of phono linearization do you use? Regards, Bala From: Rick Hils To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 12:14:48 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] LP archiving If you want, give them my name. I can make very nice transfers. I use a Thorens TD 145 with Shure V15 III and I also have a Lenco heavy platter table than has infinite speed adjust from 16 rpm to 78 rpm. I can either go straight into my E-MU 96/24 convertor or first into my Nak BX-300 and then to the DAC. The situation is that I am close to the 91601 zip code (Los Angeles area) and can possibly pick up the records myself. I would do one record side to see if it meets with your friends needs. Rick email: rhils at hotmail.com > Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 14:11:31 -0700 > From: fripp_em at yahoo.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving > > I seem to remember there was someone on naktalk (West of the Mississippi) who did professional transfers of cassette and LP collections to digital? I can't remember who that was but I know someone who wants to do this with a large collection of LPs (I guess some are rare). If it was one or two records I'd consider it, but it's not my career:-) Anyone remember who that was? > > Thanks, > David > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mail at guyfacey.com Fri Jun 3 05:19:52 2011 From: mail at guyfacey.com (Guy Facey) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 11:19:52 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving In-Reply-To: <248438.87309.qm@web161916.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <192490.46848.qm@web130106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <248438.87309.qm@web161916.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Well said. My LPs played on a Heybrook HP turntable with Rega arm and Sumiko cartridge, through a Musical Fidelity Class A a1 amp, into B&W speakers - not higest end but high ish - when recorded on my BX300, sounded exactly the same. So I'm torn. We all have iPods and stuff and it would just be nice to listen to it on those horribel earphones, even if the sound is frankly, c**p, is nice to do when you're travelling blah blah blah But I still play the LPs and every now and then I buy some more. Still waiting for some ignorant nice guy to give me his amazing LP collection! love the forum. Not a techie and I still haven't repaired by beloved BX300 but I think it will get done this summer by someone else Guy On 2 June 2011 22:40, jayson levitz wrote: > Hi Naktalk members. > > Help me out here, and I may start a long, long discussion. > > Why would anyone want to transfer tapes and LPs to digital in the first > place? Tapes recorded on a high-end Nak from LPs in good condition played > on a high-end turntable with a high-end tone arm and a high-end cartridge > sound better than any digital recording. Indeed, in audiophile circles, it > is a well known fact that in general, analog sounds better than digital. > > Jayson > > ------------------------------ > *From:* fripp_em > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Wed, June 1, 2011 11:46:24 PM > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] LP archiving > > Yeah, my first thought when my friend brought this up was I've been meaning > to archive some of my LPs/tapes and just haven't gotten around to it so > maybe I should take this on, but when he mentioned 100s of LP 33 rpm AND > many various 78s which would need the correct EQ (do I even have a working > 78 player?) I relised he needed professional help. Kermit actually does > this so I'll have him check out Kermit and see if that is what he wants. > > David > > --- On Wed, 6/1/11, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > I am archiving many old and rare tape recordings onto digital now. 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URL: From rhils at hotmail.com Fri Jun 3 05:33:50 2011 From: rhils at hotmail.com (Rick Hils) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 20:33:50 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving In-Reply-To: References: <272692.69932.qm@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, , Message-ID: Thanks. Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 15:14:00 +0100 Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] LP archiving From: fergus.cullen at gmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Nice set-up Rick! On 2 Jun 2011 14:03, "Rick Hils" wrote: > > If you want, give them my name. I can make very nice transfers. I use a > Thorens TD 145 with Shure V15 III and I also have a Lenco heavy platter > table than has infinite speed adjust from 16 rpm to 78 rpm. I can either > go straight into my E-MU 96/24 convertor or first into my Nak BX-300 > and then to the DAC. > The situation is that I am close to the 91601 > zip code (Los Angeles area) and can possibly pick up the records myself. > I would do one record side to see if it meets with your friends needs. > Rick > email: rhils at hotmail.com > >> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 14:11:31 -0700 >> From: fripp_em at yahoo.com >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving >> >> I seem to remember there was someone on naktalk (West of the Mississippi) who did professional transfers of cassette and LP collections to digital? I can't remember who that was but I know someone who wants to do this with a large collection of LPs (I guess some are rare). 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And truthfully the burned CD just doesn't sound as good as the original LP or cassette. So, I agree....just play the LP and cassettes and enjoy them and accept what the monks in Tibet are taught, that " nothing lasts " .     Thomas --- On Thu, 6/2/11, jayson levitz wrote: From: jayson levitz Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, June 2, 2011, 10:40 AM Hi Naktalk members.   Help me out here, and I may start a long, long discussion.    Why would anyone want to transfer tapes and LPs to digital in the first place?  Tapes recorded on a high-end Nak from LPs in good condition played on a high-end turntable with a high-end tone arm and a high-end cartridge sound better than any digital recording.  Indeed, in audiophile circles, it is a well known fact that in general, analog sounds better than digital.     Jayson From: fripp_em To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wed, June 1, 2011 11:46:24 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving Yeah, my first thought when my friend brought this up was I've been meaning to archive some of my LPs/tapes and just haven't gotten around to it so maybe I should take this on, but when he mentioned 100s of LP 33 rpm AND many various 78s which would need the correct EQ (do I even have a working 78 player?) 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URL: From paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se Fri Jun 3 09:14:41 2011 From: paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?P=E4r_Ericsson?=) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 09:14:41 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Speed problems - Nakamichi Dragon References: <6A718F14-5216-4A33-80B7-DEC596B5B6A0@comhem.se> Message-ID: <3DD15CCA5453409C85FA84CA0375A855@superdator> Hi Jonas! The Dragon has two autostop bulbs. The second one is located on top of the mechanism. If you take the lid of its easy to see if it illuminates or not. The second issue could be several things for exampel cleaning, power transistors on the motor board, slipping pressure rollers. Regards Pelle Sundbyberg Sweden ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonas Karlsson" To: Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 5:59 PM Subject: [naktalk] Speed problems - Nakamichi Dragon > Hi! > > Got my hands on a well taken care of Nakamichi Dragon a week ago, and it > worked fine when testing it at the seller's house. > > After I got back home, however, I found out that it does not work properly > with the auto reverse function, it just wont play them both ways. > > Also, from time to time, it slows down the speed of the tape being played > (after 5-10 seconds).... is it just a cleaning-up that's needed or do I > have to worry it's gonna cost me to fix? > > Thankful for any answer! > > Don't hesitate to contact me to correspond via e-mail: jontebus at comhem.se > > /Jonas Karlsson, Sweden > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se Fri Jun 3 09:18:09 2011 From: paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?P=E4r_Ericsson?=) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 09:18:09 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] DR-1 underappreciated??? References: <000001cc20df$f6c80040$e45800c0$@net> <1861330104-1307036829-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1613388567-@b18.c7.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: The DR-1 is the same machine as the Cassette Deck 1. Regards Pelle. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 7:47 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] DR-1 underappreciated??? > Tim > > I used to think the same but now I own all the Naks that had PB azimuth > control I have to tell you nothing comes close to the CR7 and the > Dragon....I cannot articulate in words and your ears have to hear it to > understand....DR1 imho is in the lower end of the high end Naks despite > what the measurements say.... > > All that said I don't own the 1000 which people around hear soil > themselves over but since it does not have PB azimuth control I don't know > how it can outperform the cr7 and Dragon for someone with my needs who > uses decks to "play" only...have not recorded on analog cassette in about > 15 yrs and doubt I ever will... > > Rajiv > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Tim and Pam Sepper" > Sender: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 21:45:57 > To: > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: [naktalk] DR-1 underappreciated??? > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Jun 3 12:06:10 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 03:06:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RES: [naktalk] LP archiving In-Reply-To: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40338E10C@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br> References: <272692.69932.qm@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com><530049.21163.qm@web160616.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <688087.2631.qm@web160611.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40338E10C@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br> Message-ID: <729228.73497.qm@web160611.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hi Rodrigo, There are a variety of ways of doing this and ultimately, could play a deciding role in the sound quality of the set-up. You could simply use a y-cable with RCA male connectors on one end and a 3.5mm male connector on the other to hook up the sound card of your computer to your cassette deck or other line sources. The better way would be to an outboard soundcard (from Creative or TerraTec's rescue pack) or an Analogue to Digital converter. Analogue to Digital converters cost more but also have more power and provide levels of performance beyond that of soundcards. They vary in terms of their interface although USB-based ones are most popular followed by Firewire types. Hope this helps. Bala ________________________________ From: Rodrigo Krause To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Fri, June 3, 2011 7:29:42 AM Subject: RES: [naktalk] LP archiving Hi Bala, I read your message on the software you are using. The question is how do you connect your stereo to the PC or iMac to feed it with a signal? Are there specific boards to do this? Thank you, Rodrigo De:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Bala Ganesh Chandra Enviada em: quinta-feira, 2 de junho de 2011 02:10 Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Assunto: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving Cheryl, I started off with Cool Edit Pro on Windows , then eventually switched to Audacity running both on a iMac and a MacBook Pro. Regards, Bala ________________________________ From:Cheryl Kaupp To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 1:10:56 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] LP archiving Bala, What software are you using? Thanks, Cheryl ________________________________ From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 3:38 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving I am archiving many old and rare tape recordings onto digital now. After much trials, I managed to get the right format and setup that gives ticks all the boxes in terms of a digital format. It is a tedious task, but one that may be very important for posterity. Regards, Bala ________________________________ From:fripp_em To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 7:11:31 AM Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving I seem to remember there was someone on naktalk (West of the Mississippi) who did professional transfers of cassette and LP collections to digital? I can't remember who that was but I know someone who wants to do this with a large collection of LPs (I guess some are rare). If it was one or two records I'd consider it, but it's not my career:-) Anyone remember who that was? 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Jun 3 13:56:19 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 04:56:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] LP arcaico In-Reply-To: References: <530049.21163.qm@web160616.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40338E0F8@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br> Message-ID: <514037.18583.qm@web160611.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I suppose he was asking about his oldies on tape. Having said that, click and noise removal is something best done at the source level for records. Starting with a clean record,is an absolute essential. A good high-end cartridge with a good stylus profile greatly reduces noise and clicks by sitting well within the groove. Most earlier cartridge profiles do not do this and are influenced by the surface condition of the record. Surprisingly, the grooves rarely get damaged unless the record is played with a chipped or worn stylus, or if the record has bubbles or 'kink warps'. But I have seen good unipivot arms play warped records pretty well. If they are still there, leave it. Trying to correct clicks and pops ends rarely leaves the quality of the rest of the track unmolested. With a good set-up, records that were thought to click and pop badly came up absolutely quiet - so quiet you can hear the stop and start of the hiss of the master tape in between tracks. Boxes, devices and kludges best remain in museums. I envy you working for a great boss. Bala ________________________________ From: Julie Kessler To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Fri, June 3, 2011 12:31:27 PM Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico Rodrigo, The procedure we use here goes like this: 1. Record the disc into the software. 2. Next, choose "Click Removal." Highlight all of the audio file waveform (i.e., "select the audio file" as a shorthand term for this) for processing. The default setting works okay, but you may have to Undo and retry a few times to get the best results. "Click removal" seems to work best before EQing for the record characteristic EQ. 3. If you don't have an equalized preamp, apply EQ using the software. Select all of the audio file for processing. Audacity has several record EQs listed under "Effect...Equalization." 4. Choose whichever EQ matches the disc. You can tweak the EQ graphically to correct for worn or off-standard discs. 5. Next, choose "Noise Removal." Delesect the file. Select a small part of the file where there is silence between tracks. Click "Get Noise Profile." Now, select the whole audio file and choose "Noise Removal" again. This time just click OK. The default setting works okay, but you may have to Undo and retry a few times to get the best results. 6. Now, listen to the whole audio file and when you get to silence between tracks highlight the silence between tracks and choose "Insert Silence." 7. Finally, go back and "cut up" the file into separate tracks by highlighting the waveform of the song and go to File..Export Selection." Name the file accordingly and choose the appropriate file formats to match what you want to do with the files. We recommend against using the Normalize or Compressor effects because they can really hurt the sound of your transfer but you can use them if you think they sound good, of course. I hope this helps! On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 7:11 AM, Rodrigo Krause wrote: Hi Bala, >Would you mind sharing with us how you are doing this? I'm starting to look up >how to put my wonderful "olies" ontape into digital. >I'd much appreciate any inputs. >Thank you in advance for any info you may share. >Best regards, >Rodrigo > > ________________________________ De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Enviada em: Wed Jun 01 22:38:15 2011 >Assunto: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving > > >I am archiving many old and rare tape recordings onto digital now. After much >trials, I managed to get the right format and setup that gives ticks all the >boxes in terms of a digital format. It is a tedious task, but one that may be >very important for posterity. > > >Regards, >Bala > > > > ________________________________ From: fripp_em >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 7:11:31 AM >Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving > >I seem to remember there was someone on naktalk (West of the Mississippi) who >did professional transfers of cassette and LP collections to digital? I can't >remember who that was but I know someone who wants to do this with a large >collection of LPs (I guess some are rare). If it was one or two records I'd >consider it, but it's not my career:-) Anyone remember who that was? > > >Thanks, >David >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes privilegiadas e/ou >de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem autorizacao do >remetente. > >Portanto, se voce recebeu esta mensagem por engano, por favor, nos informe >respondendo imediatamente a este e-mail e em seguida apague-a. > >A empresa MULTIPLAN nao se responsabiliza por conclusoes, opinioes, ou outras >informacoes nesta mensagem que nao se relacionem com sua linha de negocios. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! 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Well, that could cover lots of things starting from the tone arm tracking and then on to the RIAA phono eq fidelity in my Concept receiver and then on to the impedance match between the receiver outputs and the E-MU A/D converter inputs. To be fair, I haven't checked the linearity of my RCA phono cables lately so that might be what you are asking about. I don't know. The anti-skate on my tone arm may be set a quarter of a gram off. But the art of vinyl record reproduction has and always will be a compromise of imperfections. We all make reasonable attempts to achieve the best sound, and that means to our own ears as well as what the test equipment shows. For me, the two most important issues are the musicality of the phono cartridge and the clear sound of the playback speakers. What counts is that we get enjoyment from listening. Regards- Rick ________________________________ Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 07:33:43 -0700 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving To: naktalk at naks.com Hi Rick, What type of phono linearization do you use? Regards, Bala ________________________________ From: Rick Hils To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 12:14:48 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] LP archiving If you want, give them my name. I can make very nice transfers. I use a Thorens TD 145 with Shure V15 III and I also have a Lenco heavy platter table than has infinite speed adjust from 16 rpm to 78 rpm. I can either go straight into my E-MU 96/24 convertor or first into my Nak BX-300 and then to the DAC. The situation is that I am close to the 91601 zip code (Los Angeles area) and can possibly pick up the records myself. I would do one record side to see if it meets with your friends needs. Rick email: rhils at hotmail.com > Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 14:11:31 -0700 > From: fripp_em at yahoo.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving > > I seem to remember there was someone on naktalk (West of the Mississippi) who >did professional transfers of cassette and LP collections to digital? I can't >remember who that was but I know someone who wants to do this with a large >collection of LPs (I guess some are rare). 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Regards, Ram. --- On Thu, 6/2/11, Julie Kessler wrote: From: Julie Kessler Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, June 2, 2011, 11:10 PM Hi Jayson, Well, maybe so I can take my tapes and LPs with me when all I have room and weight to carry is my iPhone? Or to have my music with me on my Macbook Pro so I can have background music out on location? I love my Nakamichi 550, Revox A77 Dolby and KVG Laboratories Disc Archivist KDA-12 turntable but I can't carry them out on sales calls, or to the lake, or while I'm out at the mall shopping, or when I'm on location doing other work. I know I'm a beginner, but I've found just as many audiophiles who think analog is not as good as digital as I've found those who are of the "Analog or Die" school of thought, so I don't think you can make a sweeping assumption. On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 9:40 AM, jayson levitz wrote: Hi Naktalk members.   Help me out here, and I may start a long, long discussion.    Why would anyone want to transfer tapes and LPs to digital in the first place?  Tapes recorded on a high-end Nak from LPs in good condition played on a high-end turntable with a high-end tone arm and a high-end cartridge sound better than any digital recording.  Indeed, in audiophile circles, it is a well known fact that in general, analog sounds better than digital.     Jayson From: fripp_em To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wed, June 1, 2011 11:46:24 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving Yeah, my first thought when my friend brought this up was I've been meaning to archive some of my LPs/tapes and just haven't gotten around to it so maybe I should take this on, but when he mentioned 100s of LP 33 rpm AND many various 78s which would need the correct EQ (do I even have a working 78 player?) I relised he needed professional help.  Kermit actually does this so I'll have him check out Kermit and see if that is what he wants. David --- On Wed, 6/1/11, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: I am archiving many old and rare tape recordings onto digital now. After much trials, I managed to get the right format and setup that gives ticks all the boxes in terms of a digital format. It is a tedious task, but one that may be very important for posterity. Regards, Bala ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! 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In-Reply-To: <1861330104-1307036829-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1613388567-@b18.c7.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <443145.11222.qm@web112716.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Rajiv, The question is where were your tapes recorded? If in the CR7 or the Dragon, try playing them on a classic transport ( serviced properly of course) like a ZX7/9, 680 series or a 1000 series deck( including ZXL). I assure you there will be a revelation. The claccics sound much warmer. Like you stated it has to be heard to be believed. If, however, the recordings were made outside the Nak territory or prerecorded, the the CR7/Dragon is the best. I do agree that in spite of similar specifications, the DR1 does not even come close in sound to the Cr7/ Dragon decks. Ram. --- On Thu, 6/2/11, rajivdallas at gmail.com wrote: From: rajivdallas at gmail.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] DR-1 underappreciated??? To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, June 2, 2011, 1:47 PM Tim I used to think the same but now I own all the Naks that had PB azimuth control I have to tell you nothing comes close to the CR7 and the Dragon....I cannot articulate in words and your ears have to hear it to understand....DR1 imho is in the lower end of the high end Naks despite what the measurements say.... All that said I don't own the 1000 which people around hear soil themselves over but since it does not have PB azimuth control I don't know how it can outperform the cr7 and Dragon for someone with my needs who uses decks to "play" only...have not recorded on analog cassette in about 15 yrs and doubt I ever will... Rajiv Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "Tim and Pam Sepper" Sender: naktalk-bounces at naks.com Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 21:45:57 To: Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] DR-1 underappreciated??? ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dgb100 at psu.edu Fri Jun 3 12:18:00 2011 From: dgb100 at psu.edu (Beckner, Derrick) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 06:18:00 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving In-Reply-To: <248438.87309.qm@web161916.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <192490.46848.qm@web130106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, <248438.87309.qm@web161916.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: When you start getting into 24/48 and better recordings there is very little difference. Especially with LPs off a good TT to a good sound card. I've started buying 24/96 and 24/192 downloads from HD Tracks, and with $200 in hard ware: a 1TB USB 3.0 harddrive and a $99 WD Media player, you get unbelievable sound. ________________________________ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of jayson levitz [jmlevitz at yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 10:40 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving Hi Naktalk members. Help me out here, and I may start a long, long discussion. Why would anyone want to transfer tapes and LPs to digital in the first place? Tapes recorded on a high-end Nak from LPs in good condition played on a high-end turntable with a high-end tone arm and a high-end cartridge sound better than any digital recording. Indeed, in audiophile circles, it is a well known fact that in general, analog sounds better than digital. Jayson ________________________________ From: fripp_em To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wed, June 1, 2011 11:46:24 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving Yeah, my first thought when my friend brought this up was I've been meaning to archive some of my LPs/tapes and just haven't gotten around to it so maybe I should take this on, but when he mentioned 100s of LP 33 rpm AND many various 78s which would need the correct EQ (do I even have a working 78 player?) I relised he needed professional help. Kermit actually does this so I'll have him check out Kermit and see if that is what he wants. David --- On Wed, 6/1/11, Bala Ganesh Chandra > wrote: I am archiving many old and rare tape recordings onto digital now. After much trials, I managed to get the right format and setup that gives ticks all the boxes in terms of a digital format. It is a tedious task, but one that may be very important for posterity. Regards, Bala ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From dgb100 at psu.edu Fri Jun 3 14:36:33 2011 From: dgb100 at psu.edu (Beckner, Derrick) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 08:36:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving In-Reply-To: <449066.24723.qm@web160604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <272692.69932.qm@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <530049.21163.qm@web160616.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <688087.2631.qm@web160611.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <449066.24723.qm@web160604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yea there are good add-on options, but very few, if any, prepackaged computers come with SCs quiet enough to record with. Internals certainly have their advantages but I like externals due to the ability to place them where convenient and they usually have more input options. I’m sure with more time I’ll appreciate Audacity a lot more, but I’ve been using the MAGIX line for many, many years and have become very familiar with it. Lots of tools that are really easy to use and compare results. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 11:45 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving The internal cards from Terratec and Lynx usually are much much better then standard cards anytime. Lynx's performance has impressed me thus far and may be my next step up. I share your opinions about Audacity, but as with most open source stuff, it works great although it doesn't look so. ________________________________ From: "Beckner, Derrick" To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 10:14:54 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] LP archiving I use MAGIX Audio Cleaning Lab 17 (up to 24/48) which has a really great interface and is easy to use. I use Audacity for any recordings I want at 24/96 but don’t like the interface nearly as much, but of course it is free. Use a Soundblaster external USB X-Fi HD http://uk.store.creative.com/sound-blaster/sound-blaster-x-fi-hd/1-19829.aspx USB eliminates any internal computer noise from your recording. Any standard issue internal soundcard is going to sound like butt. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 1:10 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving Cheryl, I started off with Cool Edit Pro on Windows , then eventually switched to Audacity running both on a iMac and a MacBook Pro. Regards, Bala ________________________________ From: Cheryl Kaupp To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 1:10:56 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] LP archiving Bala, What software are you using? Thanks, Cheryl ________________________________ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 3:38 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving I am archiving many old and rare tape recordings onto digital now. After much trials, I managed to get the right format and setup that gives ticks all the boxes in terms of a digital format. It is a tedious task, but one that may be very important for posterity. Regards, Bala ________________________________ From: fripp_em To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 7:11:31 AM Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving I seem to remember there was someone on naktalk (West of the Mississippi) who did professional transfers of cassette and LP collections to digital? I can't remember who that was but I know someone who wants to do this with a large collection of LPs (I guess some are rare). If it was one or two records I'd consider it, but it's not my career:-) Anyone remember who that was? Thanks, David ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dgb100 at psu.edu Fri Jun 3 14:59:20 2011 From: dgb100 at psu.edu (Beckner, Derrick) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 08:59:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving In-Reply-To: References: <192490.46848.qm@web130106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <248438.87309.qm@web161916.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I think the "digital" future we've been hoping for may finally be here. SACD and DVD-A had great promise but I think were ultimately nothing more than copy-protection/reissue cash schemes. There are a number of DACs and a few Universal Players that can run hard drives and read 24/96 and upsample to 24/192 (FWIW). USB 3.0 is already kind of here, I have a 1TB HD with it and it allows 24/192 to be played flawlessly (USB 2.0 only does 24/96) and have downloaded a number of 24 bit albums, many of them being issued with no compression off the masters. Got Rush's Moving Pictures in 24/96 and it utterly blows away both the LP and CD versions that I have. Release of Band on the Run is fantastic compared to my ancient vinyl (and comes with another CDs worth of material from a live TV concert Wings did in the 70s). Also have recorded most of my tapes off my CR-5 to HD, and am working on my LPs. Having all this music on lossless FLAC on a hard drive is especially awesome for those days when you just can't decide on one album to play and you feel the need to flip around. Too bad the powers that be went with 16/44, but I guess it was a storage issue. 24 bit does take up a lot of space. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 11:16 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] LP archiving I consider it a form of backup: Records can get scratched and warped and tapes can also get damaged. So can CD's and other digital medial for that matter. Backups are good. For myself, some of my old records and tapes don't matter that much to me anymore. Those I would like to transfer to digital and get rid of the records and tapes because I'm running out of storage space. Aloha, Cheryl ________________________________ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of jayson levitz Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 4:40 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving Hi Naktalk members. Help me out here, and I may start a long, long discussion. Why would anyone want to transfer tapes and LPs to digital in the first place? Tapes recorded on a high-end Nak from LPs in good condition played on a high-end turntable with a high-end tone arm and a high-end cartridge sound better than any digital recording. Indeed, in audiophile circles, it is a well known fact that in general, analog sounds better than digital. Jayson ________________________________ From: fripp_em To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wed, June 1, 2011 11:46:24 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving Yeah, my first thought when my friend brought this up was I've been meaning to archive some of my LPs/tapes and just haven't gotten around to it so maybe I should take this on, but when he mentioned 100s of LP 33 rpm AND many various 78s which would need the correct EQ (do I even have a working 78 player?) I relised he needed professional help. Kermit actually does this so I'll have him check out Kermit and see if that is what he wants. David --- On Wed, 6/1/11, Bala Ganesh Chandra > wrote: I am archiving many old and rare tape recordings onto digital now. After much trials, I managed to get the right format and setup that gives ticks all the boxes in terms of a digital format. It is a tedious task, but one that may be very important for posterity. Regards, Bala ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkrause at multiplan.com.br Fri Jun 3 14:54:15 2011 From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 09:54:15 -0300 Subject: RES: Res: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico In-Reply-To: <258301.23131.qm@web160608.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40338E0F8@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br> <258301.23131.qm@web160608.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40338E10F@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br> Thank you Bala. I just emailed Julie about this! This is the missing link! Thanks a lot! Rodrigo De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Bala Ganesh Chandra Enviada em: quinta-feira, 2 de junho de 2011 22:51 Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Assunto: Re: Res: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico Hi Rodrigo, Much depends on the conditions of the tape. Because we never really have complete control over how the tapes in a collection are recorded, the chances of the azimuth and alignment being off is there. I use either CR7 or Dragon to correct out azimuth problems on the tapes. The analogue signal is then fed out to a custom tube pre-amp built by Audio Note which gives me flexibility in gain setting before the signal hits a Weiss Firewire A/D converter. The converter is linked to the iMac running Audacity which allows me to correct a variety of imperfections to a certain extent. The files are exported to FLAC for listening (via the Fluke utility which allows for playing FLAC files on the iMac). Hope this helps. Regards, Bala ________________________________ From: Rodrigo Krause To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 10:11:10 PM Subject: Res: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico Hi Bala, Would you mind sharing with us how you are doing this? I'm starting to look up how to put my wonderful "olies" ontape into digital. I'd much appreciate any inputs. Thank you in advance for any info you may share. Best regards, Rodrigo ________________________________ De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Enviada em: Wed Jun 01 22:38:15 2011 Assunto: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving I am archiving many old and rare tape recordings onto digital now. After much trials, I managed to get the right format and setup that gives ticks all the boxes in terms of a digital format. It is a tedious task, but one that may be very important for posterity. Regards, Bala ________________________________ From: fripp_em To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 7:11:31 AM Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving I seem to remember there was someone on naktalk (West of the Mississippi) who did professional transfers of cassette and LP collections to digital? I can't remember who that was but I know someone who wants to do this with a large collection of LPs (I guess some are rare). If it was one or two records I'd consider it, but it's not my career:-) Anyone remember who that was? Thanks, David ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes privilegiadas e/ou de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem autorizacao do remetente. Portanto, se voce recebeu esta mensagem por engano, por favor, nos informe respondendo imediatamente a este e-mail e em seguida apague-a. A empresa MULTIPLAN nao se responsabiliza por conclusoes, opinioes, ou outras informacoes nesta mensagem que nao se relacionem com sua linha de negocios. Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes privilegiadas e/ou de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem autorizacao do remetente. Portanto, se voce recebeu esta mensagem por engano, por favor, nos informe respondendo imediatamente a este e-mail e em seguida apague-a. A empresa MULTIPLAN nao se responsabiliza por conclusoes, opinioes, ou outras informacoes nesta mensagem que nao se relacionem com sua linha de negocios. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkrause at multiplan.com.br Fri Jun 3 14:52:19 2011 From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 09:52:19 -0300 Subject: RES: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico In-Reply-To: References: <530049.21163.qm@web160616.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40338E0F8@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br> Message-ID: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40338E10E@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br> Thank you so much, Julie. The only question left is what is your source to get your analog into the computer? Thanks again, Rodrigo De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Julie Kessler Enviada em: quinta-feira, 2 de junho de 2011 23:31 Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Assunto: Re: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico Rodrigo, The procedure we use here goes like this: 1. Record the disc into the software. 2. Next, choose "Click Removal." Highlight all of the audio file waveform (i.e., "select the audio file" as a shorthand term for this) for processing. The default setting works okay, but you may have to Undo and retry a few times to get the best results. "Click removal" seems to work best before EQing for the record characteristic EQ. 3. If you don't have an equalized preamp, apply EQ using the software. Select all of the audio file for processing. Audacity has several record EQs listed under "Effect...Equalization." 4. Choose whichever EQ matches the disc. You can tweak the EQ graphically to correct for worn or off-standard discs. 5. Next, choose "Noise Removal." Delesect the file. Select a small part of the file where there is silence between tracks. Click "Get Noise Profile." Now, select the whole audio file and choose "Noise Removal" again. This time just click OK. The default setting works okay, but you may have to Undo and retry a few times to get the best results. 6. Now, listen to the whole audio file and when you get to silence between tracks highlight the silence between tracks and choose "Insert Silence." 7. Finally, go back and "cut up" the file into separate tracks by highlighting the waveform of the song and go to File..Export Selection." Name the file accordingly and choose the appropriate file formats to match what you want to do with the files. We recommend against using the Normalize or Compressor effects because they can really hurt the sound of your transfer but you can use them if you think they sound good, of course. I hope this helps! On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 7:11 AM, Rodrigo Krause wrote: Hi Bala, Would you mind sharing with us how you are doing this? I'm starting to look up how to put my wonderful "olies" ontape into digital. I'd much appreciate any inputs. Thank you in advance for any info you may share. Best regards, Rodrigo ________________________________ De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Enviada em: Wed Jun 01 22:38:15 2011 Assunto: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving I am archiving many old and rare tape recordings onto digital now. After much trials, I managed to get the right format and setup that gives ticks all the boxes in terms of a digital format. It is a tedious task, but one that may be very important for posterity. Regards, Bala ________________________________ From: fripp_em To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 7:11:31 AM Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving I seem to remember there was someone on naktalk (West of the Mississippi) who did professional transfers of cassette and LP collections to digital? I can't remember who that was but I know someone who wants to do this with a large collection of LPs (I guess some are rare). If it was one or two records I'd consider it, but it's not my career:-) Anyone remember who that was? Thanks, David ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes privilegiadas e/ou de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem autorizacao do remetente. Portanto, se voce recebeu esta mensagem por engano, por favor, nos informe respondendo imediatamente a este e-mail e em seguida apague-a. A empresa MULTIPLAN nao se responsabiliza por conclusoes, opinioes, ou outras informacoes nesta mensagem que nao se relacionem com sua linha de negocios. ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == -- -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered http://www.kvglabs.com Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes privilegiadas e/ou de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem autorizacao do remetente. 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Date: Sat, 21 May 2011 16:10:30 -0700 From: thomas36245-net at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700II Stops 1/3 the way through while Playing a Tape To: naktalk at naks.com Could this be caused by a slipping tape counter belt ? Mechanical counters can cause all kinds of strange stopping problems due to friction in the mechanism or the belts taking a set after periods of not much use. Thomas --- On Sat, 5/21/11, Mark Exstedt wrote: From: Mark Exstedt Subject: [naktalk] 700II Stops 1/3 the way through while Playing a Tape To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Saturday, May 21, 2011, 10:19 AM Received a 700II which works fine, but goes into stop mode about 1/3 - 1/2 through on both 60 and 90 minute tapes. I used this older post as a reference to fix the problem, but still no luck. Perhaps it may be a clutch problem? Although the top reel does not easily stop with light finger pressure applied to the top reel. The previous owner had new belts install two years ago and the belt tension seems fine. Any suggestions? Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 17:55:11 -0600 Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 700 stops after starting to play tapes From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Remove the tape door and enter play mode. If the top reel is easily stopped with light finger pressure, or the reel stops intermittently, then you have a clutch and/or belt problem. The reel motor should last another 30 years. tom brucker From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Christian Thomas Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 6:21 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 700 stops after starting to play tapes Has no one replied to this? I would guess that the spool uptake motor is getting a bit weak and sticky. The tape then gets loose after the capstan and an auto cutout stops the tape from playing. The full time solution to this is to replace the motor but this is probably a shame since the problem is likely to be caused by the lubricating grease thickening up through lack of use and age rather than any actual damage. Squirting various solvents and oils into the motor is one route to curing this. Ideally you would remove the motor and then run it for a few hours in each direction. Alternatively you can do a bit of squirting into some of the holes and around the phosphor bronze bearings and FF and Rewind it without a tape for a couple of hours in each direction (keeping a monitor of the temperature - though this shouldn't be a problem.) You may find this starts to allow you perhaps 10 minutes into the tape before it stops again, in which case more of the same is required. Overnight soaks also help as it takes some time for the bronze to take up the new oil. Hope this helps. CT On 6 December 2010 15:55, Mitchell, Mike K wrote: I have used my Nak 700 since ~1975 and only cleaned it every couple years and put in new belts ~5 years ago. Yesterday the tapes would start for a few seconds then stop as if the motor did not have enough power to drive the tape. The tapes are all "loose" ie not too tight. Ideas? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Fri Jun 3 21:59:36 2011 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 12:59:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Speed problems - Nakamichi Dragon In-Reply-To: <3DD15CCA5453409C85FA84CA0375A855@superdator> Message-ID: <741335.61494.qm@web33302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This problem looks to me as related to DD motor Servo board issue needs some good Electronic tech servicing it Kannan --- On Fri, 6/3/11, Pär Ericsson wrote: > From: Pär Ericsson > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Speed problems - Nakamichi Dragon > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Friday, June 3, 2011, 3:14 AM > Hi Jonas! > > The Dragon has two autostop bulbs. The second one is > located on top of the mechanism. If you take the lid of its > easy to see > if it illuminates or not. The second issue could be several > things for exampel cleaning, power transistors on the motor > board, slipping > pressure rollers. > > Regards Pelle > Sundbyberg Sweden > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonas Karlsson" > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 5:59 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Speed problems - Nakamichi Dragon > > > > Hi! > > > > Got my hands on a well taken care of Nakamichi Dragon > a week ago, and it worked fine when testing it at the > seller's house. > > > > After I got back home, however, I found out that it > does not work properly with the auto reverse function, it > just wont play them both ways. > > > > Also, from time to time, it slows down the speed of > the tape being played (after 5-10 seconds).... is it just a > cleaning-up that's needed or do I have to worry it's gonna > cost me to fix? > > > > Thankful for any answer! > > > > Don't hesitate to contact me to correspond via e-mail: > jontebus at comhem.se > > > > /Jonas Karlsson, Sweden > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >          Also check out the > wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >                >         Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the > wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                 >        Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Fri Jun 3 20:31:38 2011 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 11:31:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] LP arcaico In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <169712.49458.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I like "cakewalk"  www.cakewalk.com Bob N --- On Thu, 6/2/11, Julie Kessler wrote: From: Julie Kessler Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, June 2, 2011, 7:31 PM Rodrigo, The procedure we use here goes like this: 1. Record the disc into the software. 2. Next, choose "Click Removal." Highlight all of the audio file waveform (i.e., "select the audio file" as  a shorthand term for this) for processing.  The default setting works okay, but you may have to Undo and retry a few times to get the best results. "Click removal" seems to work best before EQing for the record characteristic EQ. 3. If you don't have an equalized preamp, apply EQ using the software. Select all of the audio file for processing. Audacity has several record EQs listed under "Effect...Equalization." 4. Choose whichever EQ matches the disc. You can tweak the EQ graphically to correct for worn or off-standard discs. 5. Next, choose "Noise Removal." Delesect the file. Select a small part of the file where there is silence between tracks. Click "Get Noise Profile." Now, select the whole audio file and choose "Noise Removal" again. This time just click OK. The default setting works okay, but you may have to Undo and retry a few times to get the best results. 6. Now, listen to the whole audio file and when you get to silence between tracks highlight the silence between tracks and choose "Insert Silence." 7. Finally,  go back and "cut up" the file into separate tracks by highlighting the waveform of the song and go to File..Export Selection." Name the file accordingly and choose the appropriate file formats to match what you want to do with the files. We recommend against using the Normalize or Compressor effects because they can really hurt the sound of your transfer but you can use them if you think they sound good, of course. I hope this helps! On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 7:11 AM, Rodrigo Krause wrote: Hi Bala, Would you mind sharing with us how you are doing this? I'm starting to look up how to put my wonderful "olies" ontape into digital. I'd much appreciate any inputs. Thank you in advance for any info you may share. Best regards, Rodrigo De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Enviada em: Wed Jun 01 22:38:15 2011 Assunto: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving I am archiving many old and rare tape recordings onto digital now. After much trials, I managed to get the right format and setup that gives ticks all the boxes in terms of a digital format. It is a tedious task, but one that may be very important for posterity. Regards, Bala From: fripp_em To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 7:11:31 AM Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving I seem to remember there was someone on naktalk (West of the Mississippi) who did professional transfers of cassette and LP collections to digital?  I can't remember who that was but I know someone who wants to do this with a large collection of LPs (I guess some are rare).  If it was one or two records I'd consider it, but it's not my career:-)  Anyone remember who that was?  Thanks, David ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes privilegiadas e/ou de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem autorizacao do remetente. Portanto, se voce recebeu esta mensagem por engano, por favor, nos informe respondendo imediatamente a este e-mail e em seguida apague-a. A empresa MULTIPLAN nao se responsabiliza por conclusoes, opinioes, ou outras informacoes nesta mensagem que nao se relacionem com sua linha de negocios. ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered http://www.kvglabs.com -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Fri Jun 3 21:03:37 2011 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 12:03:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving In-Reply-To: <449066.24723.qm@web160604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <187823.78472.qm@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It looks like Audacity is free???  Am I missing something? Bob N --- On Thu, 6/2/11, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, June 2, 2011, 8:45 PM The  internal cards from Terratec and Lynx usually are much much better then standard cards anytime. Lynx's performance has impressed me thus far and may be my next step up. I share your opinions about Audacity, but as with most open source stuff, it works great although it doesn't look so. From: "Beckner, Derrick" To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 10:14:54 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] LP archiving I use MAGIX Audio Cleaning Lab 17 (up to 24/48) which has a really great interface and is easy to use.  I use Audacity for any recordings I want at 24/96 but don’t like the interface nearly as much, but of course it is free.   Use a Soundblaster external USB X-Fi HD http://uk.store.creative.com/sound-blaster/sound-blaster-x-fi-hd/1-19829.aspx  USB eliminates any internal computer noise from your recording.  Any standard issue internal soundcard is going to sound like butt.  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 1:10 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving  Cheryl, I started off with Cool Edit Pro on Windows , then eventually switched to Audacity running both on a iMac and a MacBook Pro. Regards, Bala    From: Cheryl Kaupp To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 1:10:56 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] LP archiving Bala, What software are you using?  Thanks,Cheryl  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 3:38 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archivingI am archiving many old and rare tape recordings onto digital now. After much trials, I managed to get the right format and setup that gives ticks all the boxes in terms of a digital format. It is a tedious task, but one that may be very important for posterity. Regards, Bala  From: fripp_em To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 7:11:31 AM Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving I seem to remember there was someone on naktalk (West of the Mississippi) who did professional transfers of cassette and LP collections to digital?  I can't remember who that was but I know someone who wants to do this with a large collection of LPs (I guess some are rare).  If it was one or two records I'd consider it, but it's not my career:-)  Anyone remember who that was?  Thanks, David ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Fri Jun 3 22:01:30 2011 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 13:01:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: FW: [naktalk] LP archiving In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <110451.48483.qm@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mark, I also record to an LP on a ZX-7, then onto the PC.  My Empire cartridge seems to do very well. Bob N --- On Thu, 6/2/11, Mark Exstedt wrote: From: Mark Exstedt Subject: FW: [naktalk] LP archiving To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, June 2, 2011, 10:37 PM Agree. I'm recording my hundreds of LP's to cassette via Dragon, two ZX-7's, and the LX-5. Have yet to try the 680. After the cassette recordings, I'll worry later if and when I record them to MP3, wave files, CD's, etc. I have an Onkyo and a Philips home CD recorder. I experimented with Audacity, recorded a wave file, and was impressed with the sound. Per Naktalk years ago: The best music you can have is recording an LP to a Nak cassette deck and then burning the music to a CD. Or perhaps that has changed? Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 07:40:18 -0700 From: jmlevitz at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving To: naktalk at naks.com #yiv1045969865 .yiv1045969865ExternalClass DIV {} Hi Naktalk members.   Help me out here, and I may start a long, long discussion.    Why would anyone want to transfer tapes and LPs to digital in the first place?  Tapes recorded on a high-end Nak from LPs in good condition played on a high-end turntable with a high-end tone arm and a high-end cartridge sound better than any digital recording.  Indeed, in audiophile circles, it is a well known fact that in general, analog sounds better than digital.     Jayson -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From r1seals at yahoo.com Fri Jun 3 16:40:35 2011 From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 07:40:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Speed problems - Nakamichi Dragon In-Reply-To: <6A718F14-5216-4A33-80B7-DEC596B5B6A0@comhem.se> Message-ID: <162529.68488.qm@web113319.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> you may as well factor in money when buying any nakamichi deck that is as old as these decks are to get them up to spec. this is what I do and others. there are people here that can help with some things but nothing like having them sent to one of the many techs that are on this list Tom Willy Perry ESL just a few. good luck and sorry about the dragon . Russ  --- On Thu, 6/2/11, Jonas Karlsson wrote: From: Jonas Karlsson Subject: [naktalk] Speed problems - Nakamichi Dragon To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, June 2, 2011, 10:59 AM Hi! Got my hands on a well taken care of Nakamichi Dragon a week ago, and it worked fine when testing it at the seller's house. After I got back home, however, I found out that it does not work properly with the auto reverse function, it just wont play them both ways. Also, from time to time, it slows down the speed of the tape being played (after 5-10 seconds).... is it just a cleaning-up that's needed or do I have to worry it's gonna cost me to fix? Thankful for any answer! Don't hesitate to contact me to correspond via e-mail: jontebus at comhem.se /Jonas Karlsson, Sweden ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkrause at multiplan.com.br Fri Jun 3 22:59:24 2011 From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 17:59:24 -0300 Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving In-Reply-To: <729228.73497.qm@web160611.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40338E11B@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br> Thank you, Bala. I've been looking into the options you mentioned. All. Need to do now is to go out and buy the missing equipment. Thank you! Rodrigo ________________________________ De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Enviada em: Fri Jun 03 07:06:10 2011 Assunto: Re: RES: [naktalk] LP archiving Hi Rodrigo, There are a variety of ways of doing this and ultimately, could play a deciding role in the sound quality of the set-up. You could simply use a y-cable with RCA male connectors on one end and a 3.5mm male connector on the other to hook up the sound card of your computer to your cassette deck or other line sources. The better way would be to an outboard soundcard (from Creative or TerraTec's rescue pack) or an Analogue to Digital converter. Analogue to Digital converters cost more but also have more power and provide levels of performance beyond that of soundcards. They vary in terms of their interface although USB-based ones are most popular followed by Firewire types. Hope this helps. Bala ________________________________ From: Rodrigo Krause To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Fri, June 3, 2011 7:29:42 AM Subject: RES: [naktalk] LP archiving Hi Bala, I read your message on the software you are using. The question is how do you connect your stereo to the PC or iMac to feed it with a signal? Are there specific boards to do this? Thank you, Rodrigo De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Bala Ganesh Chandra Enviada em: quinta-feira, 2 de junho de 2011 02:10 Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Assunto: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving Cheryl, I started off with Cool Edit Pro on Windows , then eventually switched to Audacity running both on a iMac and a MacBook Pro. Regards, Bala ________________________________ From: Cheryl Kaupp To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 1:10:56 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] LP archiving Bala, What software are you using? Thanks, Cheryl ________________________________ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 3:38 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving I am archiving many old and rare tape recordings onto digital now. After much trials, I managed to get the right format and setup that gives ticks all the boxes in terms of a digital format. It is a tedious task, but one that may be very important for posterity. Regards, Bala ________________________________ From: fripp_em To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 7:11:31 AM Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving I seem to remember there was someone on naktalk (West of the Mississippi) who did professional transfers of cassette and LP collections to digital? I can't remember who that was but I know someone who wants to do this with a large collection of LPs (I guess some are rare). If it was one or two records I'd consider it, but it's not my career:-) Anyone remember who that was? 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I guess I was being literal and answering how to transfer LPs with Audacity. We have Audacity, but it's only used for training purposes, the software we actually use to make digital archive recordings is custom-programmed and it declicks, denoises, applies EQ and dynamics processing, various enhancers and then splits the LP into separate song tracks all in one pass so it's really efficient; with all the records we archive we wouldn't get anything done with Audacity or typical software. Kermit, Dave and Paul try to do as much EQ, click and denoising with hardware instead of software. We have two hardware declickers and five hardware denoisers and our preamp can EQ any record ever made correctly and compensate for wear and non-standard EQ curves. That way the software doesn't have much to do. You're really right about cleaning first, and the guys use the VPI machine to clean the record as good as possible. As far as styli, Kermit has a place in England make us a set of 30 different styli with all sorts of different sizes and shapes to fit the groove as good as can be to reduce noise and wear for the Stanton 681EEE to play 78's right and 5 different styli for LP's and 45's that fit the Ortofon VMS-20 + 2 custom styli for the Shure V-15 Type III which is Kermit's favorite. The turntable we use has a straightline tonearm and it moves like the original cutter did; all three guys modified the turntable to the max and I bet Rabco/Harmon-Kardon wouldn't recognize its insides. I can always tell which of the guys did the re-recordig job. Paul tends to use nothing but the hardware and won't use any software processing, and he'll sweat bullts getting the settings right. Kermit uses both software and hardware and tends to process very little, just the really bad pops and noise, but he gets really into the EQ and often uses dynamic range expanders to undo overcompression, which I think is his pet peeve. Dave just goes all hog wild and kills all the pops and ticks and noise and just like gets every processor to the max -- and I swear, by the time he's done he's made the LP sound like a CD (I think he goes overboard with it all). I t's really fun as an intern for me to watch the 3 of them get into arguments over how much processing a record needs. It's culture clash set to music. You have Kermit with his 1970's studio thing, then Paul is all into (how to say it?) "phono culture". Paul learned audio in the late 1980's and I've caught him sneaking his Wilson Benesch Full Circle turntable in and using it instead of our modifed Rabco. Dave's the youngest, he was trained in 2001 at a ProTools studio and just wants to process everything to be as noiseless as can be. The 3 guys never agree on anything to do with turntables and records but it's really coo that they get along like brothers! This really, really, isn't a boring place to work! My turntable has a Rek-O-Kut Micropoise tonearm that Paul modified, and I have one of Kermit's modified Shure V-15 Type IV cartridges. Awesome sound. On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 6:56 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > I suppose he was asking about his oldies on tape. > > Having said that, click and noise removal is something best done at the > source level for records. Starting with a clean record,is an absolute > essential. A good high-end cartridge with a good stylus profile greatly > reduces noise and clicks by sitting well within the groove. Most earlier > cartridge profiles do not do this and are influenced by the surface > condition of the record. Surprisingly, the grooves rarely get damaged unless > the record is played with a chipped or worn stylus, or if the record has > bubbles or 'kink warps'. But I have seen good unipivot arms play warped > records pretty well. If they are still there, leave it. Trying to correct > clicks and pops ends rarely leaves the quality of the rest of the track > unmolested. > > With a good set-up, records that were thought to click and pop badly came > up absolutely quiet - so quiet you can hear the stop and start of the hiss > of the master tape in between tracks. Boxes, devices and kludges best remain > in museums. > > I envy you working for a great boss. > > Bala > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Julie Kessler > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Fri, June 3, 2011 12:31:27 PM > *Subject:* Re: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico > > Rodrigo, > > The procedure we use here goes like this: > > 1. Record the disc into the software. > 2. Next, choose "Click Removal." Highlight all of the audio file waveform > (i.e., "select the audio file" as a shorthand term for this) for > processing. The default setting works okay, but you may have to Undo and > retry a few times to get the best results. "Click removal" seems to work > best before EQing for the record characteristic EQ. > 3. If you don't have an equalized preamp, apply EQ using the software. > Select all of the audio file for processing. Audacity has several record EQs > listed under "Effect...Equalization." > 4. Choose whichever EQ matches the disc. You can tweak the EQ graphically > to correct for worn or off-standard discs. > 5. Next, choose "Noise Removal." Delesect the file. Select a small part of > the file where there is silence between tracks. Click "Get Noise Profile." > Now, select the whole audio file and choose "Noise Removal" again. This time > just click OK. The default setting works okay, but you may have to Undo and > retry a few times to get the best results. > 6. Now, listen to the whole audio file and when you get to silence between > tracks highlight the silence between tracks and choose "Insert Silence." > 7. Finally, go back and "cut up" the file into separate tracks by > highlighting the waveform of the song and go to File..Export Selection." > Name the file accordingly and choose the appropriate file formats to match > what you want to do with the files. > > We recommend against using the Normalize or Compressor effects because they > can really hurt the sound of your transfer but you can use them if you think > they sound good, of course. > > I hope this helps! > > On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 7:11 AM, Rodrigo Krause wrote: > >> Hi Bala, >> Would you mind sharing with us how you are doing this? I'm starting to >> look up how to put my wonderful "olies" ontape into digital. >> I'd much appreciate any inputs. >> Thank you in advance for any info you may share. >> Best regards, >> Rodrigo >> >> ------------------------------ >> *De*: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >> *Para*: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> *Enviada em*: Wed Jun 01 22:38:15 2011 >> *Assunto*: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving >> >> I am archiving many old and rare tape recordings onto digital now. After >> much trials, I managed to get the right format and setup that gives ticks >> all the boxes in terms of a digital format. It is a tedious task, but one >> that may be very important for posterity. >> >> Regards, >> Bala >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* fripp_em >> *To:* naktalk at naks.com >> *Sent:* Thu, June 2, 2011 7:11:31 AM >> *Subject:* [naktalk] LP archiving >> >> I seem to remember there was someone on naktalk (West of the Mississippi) >> who did professional transfers of cassette and LP collections to digital? I >> can't remember who that was but I know someone who wants to do this with a >> large collection of LPs (I guess some are rare). If it was one or two >> records I'd consider it, but it's not my career:-) Anyone remember who that >> was? >> >> Thanks, >> David >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes privilegiadas e/ou >> de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem autorizacao do >> remetente. >> >> Portanto, se voce recebeu esta mensagem por engano, por favor, nos informe >> respondendo imediatamente a este e-mail e em seguida apague-a. >> >> A empresa MULTIPLAN nao se responsabiliza por conclusoes, opinioes, ou outras >> informacoes nesta mensagem que nao se relacionem com sua linha de negocios. >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > > -- > -- Julie Kessler > juliek at kvglabs.com > Artist Development Executive > KVG Laboratories > I Found The Sound! 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URL: From juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com Sat Jun 4 03:46:47 2011 From: juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com (Julie Kessler) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 20:46:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] LP arcaico In-Reply-To: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40338E10E@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br> References: <530049.21163.qm@web160616.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40338E0F8@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br> <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40338E10E@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br> Message-ID: Hi Rodrigo! Let me give you two answers: At home, I have an M-Audio Fast Track Pro which is 24/96K to get the sound into my Macbook Pro. My turntable is a KVG Laboratories Disc Archivist KDA-12 with a modified Rek-O-Kut tonearm and a modified Shure V-15 Type IV cartridge. My boss made me a neat little adapter that lets me plug my phono cartridge right into the M-Audio Fast Track Pro's instrument inputs so I can use the M-Audio Fast Track Pro as a phono preamp, and it's so awesome as a phono preamp! This means I have to do the EQ in the software. I have Audacity but I also have ProTools LE & a RIAA and declicker/denoiser plugins for ProTools. I also have a hardware phono preamplifier hooked up to my stereo for when I just want to listen or record onto tapes, but not record onto digital. At the studio where I work, we have a whole lot of equipment and software that's mainly custom made stuff and really cool, but I never get to use it (yet). Hope this helps! Let us know how your project goes! On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 7:52 AM, Rodrigo Krause wrote: > Thank you so much, Julie. The only question left is what is your source > to get your analog into the computer? > > Thanks again, > > > > Rodrigo > > > > *De:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *Em nome > de *Julie Kessler > *Enviada em:* quinta-feira, 2 de junho de 2011 23:31 > > *Para:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Assunto:* Re: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico > > > > Rodrigo, > > The procedure we use here goes like this: > > 1. Record the disc into the software. > 2. Next, choose "Click Removal." Highlight all of the audio file waveform > (i.e., "select the audio file" as a shorthand term for this) for > processing. The default setting works okay, but you may have to Undo and > retry a few times to get the best results. "Click removal" seems to work > best before EQing for the record characteristic EQ. > 3. If you don't have an equalized preamp, apply EQ using the software. > Select all of the audio file for processing. Audacity has several record EQs > listed under "Effect...Equalization." > 4. Choose whichever EQ matches the disc. You can tweak the EQ graphically > to correct for worn or off-standard discs. > 5. Next, choose "Noise Removal." Delesect the file. Select a small part of > the file where there is silence between tracks. Click "Get Noise Profile." > Now, select the whole audio file and choose "Noise Removal" again. This time > just click OK. The default setting works okay, but you may have to Undo and > retry a few times to get the best results. > 6. Now, listen to the whole audio file and when you get to silence between > tracks highlight the silence between tracks and choose "Insert Silence." > 7. Finally, go back and "cut up" the file into separate tracks by > highlighting the waveform of the song and go to File..Export Selection." > Name the file accordingly and choose the appropriate file formats to match > what you want to do with the files. > > We recommend against using the Normalize or Compressor effects because they > can really hurt the sound of your transfer but you can use them if you think > they sound good, of course. > > I hope this helps! > > On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 7:11 AM, Rodrigo Krause > wrote: > > Hi Bala, > Would you mind sharing with us how you are doing this? I'm starting to look > up how to put my wonderful "olies" ontape into digital. > I'd much appreciate any inputs. > Thank you in advance for any info you may share. > Best regards, > Rodrigo > > > ------------------------------ > > *De*: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > *Para*: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Enviada em*: Wed Jun 01 22:38:15 2011 > *Assunto*: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving > > I am archiving many old and rare tape recordings onto digital now. After > much trials, I managed to get the right format and setup that gives ticks > all the boxes in terms of a digital format. It is a tedious task, but one > that may be very important for posterity. > > Regards, > Bala > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* fripp_em > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Sent:* Thu, June 2, 2011 7:11:31 AM > *Subject:* [naktalk] LP archiving > > I seem to remember there was someone on naktalk (West of the Mississippi) > who did professional transfers of cassette and LP collections to digital? I > can't remember who that was but I know someone who wants to do this with a > large collection of LPs (I guess some are rare). If it was one or two > records I'd consider it, but it's not my career:-) Anyone remember who that > was? > > Thanks, > David > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes privilegiadas e/ou > > de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem autorizacao do > > remetente. > > > > Portanto, se voce recebeu esta mensagem por engano, por favor, nos informe > > respondendo imediatamente a este e-mail e em seguida apague-a. > > > > A empresa MULTIPLAN nao se responsabiliza por conclusoes, opinioes, ou outras > > informacoes nesta mensagem que nao se relacionem com sua linha de negocios. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > -- > -- Julie Kessler > juliek at kvglabs.com > Artist Development Executive > KVG Laboratories > I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered > http://www.kvglabs.com > > Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes privilegiadas e/ou > de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem autorizacao do > remetente. > > Portanto, se voce recebeu esta mensagem por engano, por favor, nos informe > respondendo imediatamente a este e-mail e em seguida apague-a. > > A empresa MULTIPLAN nao se responsabiliza por conclusoes, opinioes, ou outras > informacoes nesta mensagem que nao se relacionem com sua linha de negocios. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! 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Hence, it is very important to get the source (be it tapes or LP) set up as best as possible. Cheers! Bala ________________________________ From: Rodrigo Krause To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Fri, June 3, 2011 10:54:15 PM Subject: RES: Res: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico Thank you Bala. I just emailed Julie about this! This is the missing link! Thanks a lot! Rodrigo De:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Em nome de Bala Ganesh Chandra Enviada em: quinta-feira, 2 de junho de 2011 22:51 Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Assunto: Re: Res: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico Hi Rodrigo, Much depends on the conditions of the tape. Because we never really have complete control over how the tapes in a collection are recorded, the chances of the azimuth and alignment being off is there. I use either CR7 or Dragon to correct out azimuth problems on the tapes. The analogue signal is then fed out to a custom tube pre-amp built by Audio Note which gives me flexibility in gain setting before the signal hits a Weiss Firewire A/D converter. The converter is linked to the iMac running Audacity which allows me to correct a variety of imperfections to a certain extent. The files are exported to FLAC for listening (via the Fluke utility which allows for playing FLAC files on the iMac). Hope this helps. Regards, Bala ________________________________ From:Rodrigo Krause To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 10:11:10 PM Subject: Res: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico Hi Bala, Would you mind sharing with us how you are doing this? I'm starting to look up how to put my wonderful "olies" ontape into digital. I'd much appreciate any inputs. Thank you in advance for any info you may share. Best regards, Rodrigo ________________________________ De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Enviada em: Wed Jun 01 22:38:15 2011 Assunto: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving I am archiving many old and rare tape recordings onto digital now. After much trials, I managed to get the right format and setup that gives ticks all the boxes in terms of a digital format. It is a tedious task, but one that may be very important for posterity. Regards, Bala ________________________________ From:fripp_em To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 7:11:31 AM Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving I seem to remember there was someone on naktalk (West of the Mississippi) who did professional transfers of cassette and LP collections to digital? I can't remember who that was but I know someone who wants to do this with a large collection of LPs (I guess some are rare). If it was one or two records I'd consider it, but it's not my career:-) Anyone remember who that was? 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URL: From rhils at hotmail.com Sat Jun 4 01:07:55 2011 From: rhils at hotmail.com (Rick Hils) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 16:07:55 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving In-Reply-To: <106824.92525.qm@web160603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <272692.69932.qm@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, , , , <539442.97382.qm@web160619.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, , <106824.92525.qm@web160603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bala, I don't have the knowledge to test and to, therefore, report any findings. I will say that when I use my Shure V15 III cartridge with my Concept receiver, the results are very good. The Concept receivers use a phono input impedance of 50k, which is appropriate for the Shure V15. As long as I am hearing enough detail in the mid to upper mid-range, then I am happy. I'm not so concerned about whether or not the low end goes down to 30 or 20 hz. As far as computer wave editing goes, I try to avoid tweaking the wav file too much. I prefer to leave the phasing characteristics of the original unaltered. I also feel that light surface noise from the original LP is better left alone. Much better to hear it all than to muffle any of the highs. -Regards, Rick Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 04:58:38 -0700 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving To: naktalk at naks.com Hi Rick, I suppose that term comes as a translation from the Swiss guys. I was asking more specifically about how you control cartridge loading and playback curve of the records you transcribe. Bala "What You didn't see, you didn't know" From: Rick Hils To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Fri, June 3, 2011 5:21:06 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] LP archiving Bala, You ask what type of "phono linearization" do I use? Well, that could cover lots of things starting from the tone arm tracking and then on to the RIAA phono eq fidelity in my Concept receiver and then on to the impedance match between the receiver outputs and the E-MU A/D converter inputs. To be fair, I haven't checked the linearity of my RCA phono cables lately so that might be what you are asking about. I don't know. The anti-skate on my tone arm may be set a quarter of a gram off. But the art of vinyl record reproduction has and always will be a compromise of imperfections. We all make reasonable attempts to achieve the best sound, and that means to our own ears as well as what the test equipment shows. For me, the two most important issues are the musicality of the phono cartridge and the clear sound of the playback speakers. What counts is that we get enjoyment from listening. Regards- Rick Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 07:33:43 -0700 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving To: naktalk at naks.com Hi Rick, What type of phono linearization do you use? Regards, Bala From: Rick Hils To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 12:14:48 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] LP archiving If you want, give them my name. I can make very nice transfers. I use a Thorens TD 145 with Shure V15 III and I also have a Lenco heavy platter table than has infinite speed adjust from 16 rpm to 78 rpm. I can either go straight into my E-MU 96/24 convertor or first into my Nak BX-300 and then to the DAC. The situation is that I am close to the 91601 zip code (Los Angeles area) and can possibly pick up the records myself. I would do one record side to see if it meets with your friends needs. Rick email: rhils at hotmail.com > Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 14:11:31 -0700 > From: fripp_em at yahoo.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving > > I seem to remember there was someone on naktalk (West of the Mississippi) who did professional transfers of cassette and LP collections to digital? I can't remember who that was but I know someone who wants to do this with a large collection of LPs (I guess some are rare). 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URL: From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Sat Jun 4 09:57:59 2011 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2011 09:57:59 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving In-Reply-To: <688087.2631.qm@web160611.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <272692.69932.qm@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <530049.21163.qm@web160616.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <688087.2631.qm@web160611.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Jun 2011 22:09:36 -0700 (PDT), Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >Cheryl, > >I started off with Cool Edit Pro on Windows , then eventually switched to >Audacity running both on a iMac and a MacBook Pro. I have used CoolEdit since 1997. Presently using CoolEdit2000 with Windows XP IntelCeleron at 900 512MB RAM and all it does is sample stuff and save it on another computer. My sample card is the TerraTec Aureon 7.1 with 5.25'' front bay module for easy access. I am done fiddling on the back of my computer ;) I edit on my main 3GHz WXP machine, and all my sampling computer does is sample, never does anything else. Most of the time it is just sitting there. In 1997 I started suing the old 486DX66 and a SB16 ISA card, then a Ensoniq1370 PCI card. With CoolEdit96. then I went to th PRo version and finally with the XP system I went to the 2000 version. Its been 14 years and a big load of records - mostly 12'' dance vinyl from the 80s, some of which is either difficult to find or priced to stay with the seller. Over the first 7 years I honed some filter for different tasks, pop filters for 45 RPM singles, 45RPM 12'' singles, 33RPM albums, tape noise from cassette and open reel tape. It takes most of the chore out of the sampling process. Nowadays I have faster drives and CPU than when I started. It makes a difference too. I'd love you have a couple of 32GB SATA SSD discs in my system just for editing audio and taking the ads out of my old tv shows. But I do not watch tv anymore. Period. So it is just the audio. -Mikkel From ct.waveform at googlemail.com Sat Jun 4 12:07:15 2011 From: ct.waveform at googlemail.com (Christian Thomas) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 11:07:15 +0100 Subject: FW: [naktalk] 700II Stops 1/3 the way through while Playing a Tape In-Reply-To: References: <428341.79469.qm@web80608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Mark, have you read my advice on this? Also where are you as I might like to take it off your hands. Best wishes, Christian. On Jun 4, 2011 4:59 AM, "Mark Exstedt" wrote: > > Still no luck. > Counter mechanism and belt seems fine. > While playing a cassette, it still goes into stop mode about 1/3 - 1/2 through on both 60 and 90 minute tapes. > Would like to keep it, but if I can't fix it myself, it will be listed on Ebay. > > Date: Sat, 21 May 2011 16:10:30 -0700 > From: thomas36245-net at yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700II Stops 1/3 the way through while Playing a Tape > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Could this be caused by a slipping tape counter belt ? Mechanical counters can cause all kinds of strange stopping problems due to friction in the mechanism or the belts taking a set after periods of not much use. Thomas > > --- On Sat, 5/21/11, Mark Exstedt wrote: > > > From: Mark Exstedt > Subject: [naktalk] 700II Stops 1/3 the way through while Playing a Tape > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Saturday, May 21, 2011, 10:19 AM > > > > > Received a 700II which works fine, but goes into stop mode about 1/3 - 1/2 through on both 60 and 90 minute tapes. > I used this older post as a reference to fix the problem, but still no luck. > Perhaps it may be a clutch problem? Although the top reel does not easily stop with light finger pressure applied to the top reel. > The previous owner had new belts install two years ago and the belt tension seems fine. > Any suggestions? > > > > Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 17:55:11 -0600 > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 700 stops after starting to play tapes > From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Remove the tape door and enter play mode. If the top reel is easily stopped with light finger pressure, or the reel stops intermittently, then you have a clutch and/or belt problem. The reel motor should last another 30 years. > > tom brucker > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Christian Thomas > Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 6:21 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 700 stops after starting to play > tapes > > > > Has no one replied to this? > > > > I would guess that the spool uptake motor is getting a bit weak and sticky. The tape then gets loose after the capstan and an auto cutout stops the tape from playing. The full time solution to this is to replace the motor but this is probably a shame since the problem is likely to be caused by the lubricating grease thickening up through lack of use and age rather than any actual damage. > > > > Squirting various solvents and oils into the motor is one route to curing this. Ideally you would remove the motor and then run it for a few hours in each direction. Alternatively you can do a bit of squirting into some of the holes and around the phosphor bronze bearings and FF and Rewind it without a tape for a couple of hours in each direction (keeping a monitor of the temperature - though this shouldn't be a problem.) You may find this starts to allow you perhaps 10 minutes into the tape before it stops again, in which case more of the same is required. Overnight soaks also help as it takes some time for the bronze to take up the new oil. Hope this helps. > > > > > > > > CT > > On 6 December 2010 15:55, Mitchell, Mike K wrote: > > I have used my Nak 700 since ~1975 and only cleaned it every couple years and put in new belts ~5 years ago. Yesterday the tapes would start for a few seconds then stop as if the motor did not have enough power to drive the tape. The tapes are all "loose" ie not too tight. Ideas? > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Sat Jun 4 13:53:03 2011 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2011 13:53:03 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving In-Reply-To: References: <192490.46848.qm@web130106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <248438.87309.qm@web161916.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 3 Jun 2011 08:59:20 -0400, "Beckner, Derrick" wrote: >I think the "digital" future we've been hoping for may finally be here. SACD and DVD-A had great promise but I think were ultimately nothing more than copy-protection/reissue cash schemes. There are a number of DACs and a few Universal Players that can run hard drives and read 24/96 and upsample to 24/192 (FWIW). USB 3.0 is already kind of here, I have a 1TB HD with it and it allows 24/192 to be played flawlessly (USB 2.0 only does 24/96) and have downloaded a number of 24 bit albums, many of them being issued with no compression off the masters. Got Rush's Moving Pictures in 24/96 and it utterly blows away both the LP and CD versions that I have. Release of Band on the Run is fantastic compared to my ancient vinyl (and comes with another CDs worth of material from a live TV concert Wings did in the 70s). Where do you get your 24bit/192 and 24/96 recordings? Recently there is some speculation as to what you actually get when some of those recordings from i.e. HDtracks.com are actually not 24/96 or higher but resampled to be at a higher rate. Edtir Paul Miller of HiFiNews in England wrote an article in the current june edition of HiFiNews and it was a shock to me, except I can honestly say I suspected not all was what it seemed to be. This just means there is still a difference between what you buy and what you can hear on a good rig. But some of what you buy ain't what it says on the description. With modern equipment you have to be wary of when you are listening to 24/192 or just listening to one of the things in the chain upsampling it into 24/192. especially if the upsampling was done at the point of sale then your gear cannot improve by upsampling it using your better equipment because it is already at 24/192 but that conversion was perhaps not done very well. >Also have recorded most of my tapes off my CR-5 to HD, and am working on my LPs. Having all this music on lossless FLAC on a hard drive is especially awesome for those days when you just can't decide on one album to play and you feel the need to flip around. Too bad the powers that be went with 16/44, but I guess it was a storage issue. 24 bit does take up a lot of space. 24bit takes up 50% more space, that is actually not a lot, it is the speeds at which it is taking up 50% more space, 44.100 times a second or 192.000 times a second, per channel :) Right now you have to have a lot of patience to wait for the striping a RAID to complete - with five 2TB drives to gain 8TB of storage. But mega huge storage for consumers is still in its infancy. And still most people who want large storage in the home cannot set aside the amount of funding it would require to have protection, speed and large storage and still keep the funding within a reasonable consumer budget. The old saying that you should spend 20% of your systems worth on the speakers and 10-20% on the cabling, also goes well with computers. But we're not quite there with 20% allocated to storage, becuse for a typical playback system of a couple of boxes and speakers, costing about 1000UKP for cheapest systems to add a storage solution at a mere 200UKP is not a lot, and you will have to make huge sacrifices. Fast storage solutions like in those we use in the workplace are hidden as they make a lot of noise, require cooling and lots of energy so they are stowedd away in seperate rooms/buildings. But in our homes we're not prepared to commit to this. esp. since it is now in to be ecofriendly and we do not like to listen to the storage now do we?. -Mikkel From dgb100 at psu.edu Sat Jun 4 14:00:04 2011 From: dgb100 at psu.edu (Beckner, Derrick) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 08:00:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] FW: LP archiving In-Reply-To: References: <192490.46848.qm@web130106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <248438.87309.qm@web161916.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> , <741189.42830.qm@web160611.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, Message-ID: Sent to all in case they are interested in HD Tracks. ________________________________ From: Beckner, Derrick Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 7:59 AM To: Bala Ganesh Chandra Subject: RE: LP archiving People's suspicions of analog have got me lots of free records and tapes over the years, so I'm cool with it. :) Ultimateley analogue is too much of a PITA for most people. Getting a turntable set up properly is a pain, keeping a tape deck running is a pain (and an expensive one these days), cleaning records, storing records, cleaning and buying new stylus, etc. You have to be dedicated. Ultimately most people can't hear or don't care about the difference between an MP3 and a 200 gram LP played on a 10,000 dollar table. They want it on their iPod. MOG now has 320kb/s streaming music which sound really very good. I like the fact that I can have my analogue originals and have them in a hi-rez digital format that takes up 6 cubic inches as opposed to 12 feet of wall space. Ultimately the source material is most important. I have lots of vinyl that sounds like garbage, I have some factory tapes from the late 80s that used HX Pro, chrome, Dolby SR that sound absolutely fantastic. I have CDs (mostly the early issues) that make my ears bleed and some that sound beautiful. HD Tracks is the place, DRM Free FLAC. If you are a classical or Jazz fan you should really be stoked. The rock/pop releases are limited and most have been released in SACD in recent years. There used to be one called Music Giants but they were DRMed and ultimately closed down. https://www.hdtracks.com/ Free samples too. ________________________________ From: Bala Ganesh Chandra [bg3009 at yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 11:40 PM To: Beckner, Derrick Subject: LP archiving With Airplay, Sonos, Naim, ARCAM etc. no doubt about it Derrick! Companies have been quick to realize that locking music in with costly schemes only makes them lose money; Sony still doesn't seem to get it though although they most of the pieces of technology available in the 90s to make this future happen. It is shocking how good properly done digital can be. The problem, I have observed, is that analogue has a deep seated image of being limited in sound quality in most people. Some, including me, have observed how awesome analogue really can be. Many a times, scant attention is paid to many of the details which was robbing the listener of great sound. A 'cheap' Thorens can sound jaw dropping when set-up right; a 'lowly' 480 can sound awesome too. Where do you purchase your music in high res? Regards, Bala ________________________________ From: "Beckner, Derrick" To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Fri, June 3, 2011 10:59:20 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] LP archiving I think the “digital” future we’ve been hoping for may finally be here. SACD and DVD-A had great promise but I think were ultimately nothing more than copy-protection/reissue cash schemes. There are a number of DACs and a few Universal Players that can run hard drives and read 24/96 and upsample to 24/192 (FWIW). USB 3.0 is already kind of here, I have a 1TB HD with it and it allows 24/192 to be played flawlessly (USB 2.0 only does 24/96) and have downloaded a number of 24 bit albums, many of them being issued with no compression off the masters. Got Rush’s Moving Pictures in 24/96 and it utterly blows away both the LP and CD versions that I have. Release of Band on the Run is fantastic compared to my ancient vinyl (and comes with another CDs worth of material from a live TV concert Wings did in the 70s). Also have recorded most of my tapes off my CR-5 to HD, and am working on my LPs. Having all this music on lossless FLAC on a hard drive is especially awesome for those days when you just can’t decide on one album to play and you feel the need to flip around. Too bad the powers that be went with 16/44, but I guess it was a storage issue. 24 bit does take up a lot of space. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 11:16 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] LP archiving I consider it a form of backup: Records can get scratched and warped and tapes can also get damaged. So can CD's and other digital medial for that matter. Backups are good. For myself, some of my old records and tapes don't matter that much to me anymore. Those I would like to transfer to digital and get rid of the records and tapes because I'm running out of storage space. Aloha, Cheryl ________________________________ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of jayson levitz Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 4:40 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving Hi Naktalk members. Help me out here, and I may start a long, long discussion. Why would anyone want to transfer tapes and LPs to digital in the first place? Tapes recorded on a high-end Nak from LPs in good condition played on a high-end turntable with a high-end tone arm and a high-end cartridge sound better than any digital recording. Indeed, in audiophile circles, it is a well known fact that in general, analog sounds better than digital. Jayson ________________________________ From: fripp_em To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wed, June 1, 2011 11:46:24 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving Yeah, my first thought when my friend brought this up was I've been meaning to archive some of my LPs/tapes and just haven't gotten around to it so maybe I should take this on, but when he mentioned 100s of LP 33 rpm AND many various 78s which would need the correct EQ (do I even have a working 78 player?) I relised he needed professional help. Kermit actually does this so I'll have him check out Kermit and see if that is what he wants. David --- On Wed, 6/1/11, Bala Ganesh Chandra > wrote: I am archiving many old and rare tape recordings onto digital now. After much trials, I managed to get the right format and setup that gives ticks all the boxes in terms of a digital format. It is a tedious task, but one that may be very important for posterity. Regards, Bala ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Jun 4 15:13:33 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 06:13:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] LP arcaico In-Reply-To: References: <530049.21163.qm@web160616.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40338E0F8@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br> <514037.18583.qm@web160611.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54853.318.qm@web160617.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> A custom program that 'declicks, denoises, EQ and Dyanamic processing'? That usually stuff that's subject of phsycho-acoustics and patented algorithms. Either you are kidding us or your boss is loaded! How do you 'sneak' in a WB Full Circle? Bala ________________________________ From: Julie Kessler To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sat, June 4, 2011 9:15:57 AM Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico Hi! That's a great answer. I guess I was being literal and answering how to transfer LPs with Audacity. We have Audacity, but it's only used for training purposes, the software we actually use to make digital archive recordings is custom-programmed and it declicks, denoises, applies EQ and dynamics processing, various enhancers and then splits the LP into separate song tracks all in one pass so it's really efficient; with all the records we archive we wouldn't get anything done with Audacity or typical software. Kermit, Dave and Paul try to do as much EQ, click and denoising with hardware instead of software. We have two hardware declickers and five hardware denoisers and our preamp can EQ any record ever made correctly and compensate for wear and non-standard EQ curves. That way the software doesn't have much to do. You're really right about cleaning first, and the guys use the VPI machine to clean the record as good as possible. As far as styli, Kermit has a place in England make us a set of 30 different styli with all sorts of different sizes and shapes to fit the groove as good as can be to reduce noise and wear for the Stanton 681EEE to play 78's right and 5 different styli for LP's and 45's that fit the Ortofon VMS-20 + 2 custom styli for the Shure V-15 Type III which is Kermit's favorite. The turntable we use has a straightline tonearm and it moves like the original cutter did; all three guys modified the turntable to the max and I bet Rabco/Harmon-Kardon wouldn't recognize its insides. I can always tell which of the guys did the re-recordig job. Paul tends to use nothing but the hardware and won't use any software processing, and he'll sweat bullts getting the settings right. Kermit uses both software and hardware and tends to process very little, just the really bad pops and noise, but he gets really into the EQ and often uses dynamic range expanders to undo overcompression, which I think is his pet peeve. Dave just goes all hog wild and kills all the pops and ticks and noise and just like gets every processor to the max -- and I swear, by the time he's done he's made the LP sound like a CD (I think he goes overboard with it all). I t's really fun as an intern for me to watch the 3 of them get into arguments over how much processing a record needs. It's culture clash set to music. You have Kermit with his 1970's studio thing, then Paul is all into (how to say it?) "phono culture". Paul learned audio in the late 1980's and I've caught him sneaking his Wilson Benesch Full Circle turntable in and using it instead of our modifed Rabco. Dave's the youngest, he was trained in 2001 at a ProTools studio and just wants to process everything to be as noiseless as can be. The 3 guys never agree on anything to do with turntables and records but it's really coo that they get along like brothers! This really, really, isn't a boring place to work! My turntable has a Rek-O-Kut Micropoise tonearm that Paul modified, and I have one of Kermit's modified Shure V-15 Type IV cartridges. Awesome sound. On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 6:56 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: I suppose he was asking about his oldies on tape. > >Having said that, click and noise removal is something best done at the source >level for records. Starting with a clean record,is an absolute essential. A good >high-end cartridge with a good stylus profile greatly reduces noise and clicks >by sitting well within the groove. Most earlier cartridge profiles do not do >this and are influenced by the surface condition of the record. Surprisingly, >the grooves rarely get damaged unless the record is played with a chipped or >worn stylus, or if the record has bubbles or 'kink warps'. But I have seen good >unipivot arms play warped records pretty well. If they are still there, leave >it. Trying to correct clicks and pops ends rarely leaves the quality of the rest >of the track unmolested. > > >With a good set-up, records that were thought to click and pop badly came up >absolutely quiet - so quiet you can hear the stop and start of the hiss of the >master tape in between tracks. Boxes, devices and kludges best remain in >museums. > > >I envy you working for a great boss. > > >Bala > > > > > ________________________________ From: Julie Kessler >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Fri, June 3, 2011 12:31:27 PM >Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico > > >Rodrigo, > >The procedure we use here goes like this: > >1. Record the disc into the software. >2. Next, choose "Click Removal." Highlight all of the audio file waveform (i.e., >"select the audio file" as a shorthand term for this) for processing. The >default setting works okay, but you may have to Undo and retry a few times to >get the best results. "Click removal" seems to work best before EQing for the >record characteristic EQ. > >3. If you don't have an equalized preamp, apply EQ using the software. Select >all of the audio file for processing. Audacity has several record EQs listed >under "Effect...Equalization." >4. Choose whichever EQ matches the disc. You can tweak the EQ graphically to >correct for worn or off-standard discs. > >5. Next, choose "Noise Removal." Delesect the file. Select a small part of the >file where there is silence between tracks. Click "Get Noise Profile." Now, >select the whole audio file and choose "Noise Removal" again. This time just >click OK. The default setting works okay, but you may have to Undo and retry a >few times to get the best results. > >6. Now, listen to the whole audio file and when you get to silence between >tracks highlight the silence between tracks and choose "Insert Silence." > >7. Finally, go back and "cut up" the file into separate tracks by highlighting >the waveform of the song and go to File..Export Selection." Name the file >accordingly and choose the appropriate file formats to match what you want to do >with the files. > > >We recommend against using the Normalize or Compressor effects because they can >really hurt the sound of your transfer but you can use them if you think they >sound good, of course. > > >I hope this helps! > > >On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 7:11 AM, Rodrigo Krause wrote: > >Hi Bala, >>Would you mind sharing with us how you are doing this? I'm starting to look up >>how to put my wonderful "olies" ontape into digital. >>I'd much appreciate any inputs. >>Thank you in advance for any info you may share. >>Best regards, >>Rodrigo >> >> ________________________________ De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >>Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Enviada em: Wed Jun 01 22:38:15 2011 >>Assunto: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving >> >> >>I am archiving many old and rare tape recordings onto digital now. After much >>trials, I managed to get the right format and setup that gives ticks all the >>boxes in terms of a digital format. It is a tedious task, but one that may be >>very important for posterity. >> >> >>Regards, >>Bala >> >> >> >> ________________________________ From: fripp_em >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 7:11:31 AM >>Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving >> >>I seem to remember there was someone on naktalk (West of the Mississippi) who >>did professional transfers of cassette and LP collections to digital? I can't >>remember who that was but I know someone who wants to do this with a large >>collection of LPs (I guess some are rare). If it was one or two records I'd >>consider it, but it's not my career:-) Anyone remember who that was? >> >> >>Thanks, >>David >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >>Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes privilegiadas >e/ou >>de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem autorizacao do >> remetente. >> >>Portanto, se voce recebeu esta mensagem por engano, por favor, nos informe >>respondendo imediatamente a este e-mail e em seguida apague-a. >> >>A empresa MULTIPLAN nao se responsabiliza por conclusoes, opinioes, ou outras >> informacoes nesta mensagem que nao se relacionem com sua linha de negocios. >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > >-- >-- Julie Kessler >juliek at kvglabs.com >Artist Development Executive >KVG Laboratories >I Found The Sound! 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Jun 4 15:20:54 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 06:20:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving In-Reply-To: References: <272692.69932.qm@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, , , , <539442.97382.qm@web160619.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, , <106824.92525.qm@web160603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <483776.35120.qm@web160608.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hi Rick, I respect your way of doing things. I always felt similar until I attended a talk by FM Acoustics' founder Dr. Huber who demonstrated to us the importance of variable EQ. Even slight modulations in the standard RIAA curve, as you might know, brings immense difference in the sound quality. Even 70s pop records that sounded compressed sounded much livelier and bigger thanks to a more accurate reproduction curve. Correct cart loading (which you have mentioned), and correct record playback linearization are two things that are so important and yet overlooked with such regularity listeners do not know what they are missing out. Regards, Bala ________________________________ From: Rick Hils To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sat, June 4, 2011 9:07:55 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] LP archiving Bala, I don't have the knowledge to test and to, therefore, report any findings. I will say that when I use my Shure V15 III cartridge with my Concept receiver, the results are very good. The Concept receivers use a phono input impedance of 50k, which is appropriate for the Shure V15. As long as I am hearing enough detail in the mid to upper mid-range, then I am happy. I'm not so concerned about whether or not the low end goes down to 30 or 20 hz. As far as computer wave editing goes, I try to avoid tweaking the wav file too much. I prefer to leave the phasing characteristics of the original unaltered. I also feel that light surface noise from the original LP is better left alone. Much better to hear it all than to muffle any of the highs. -Regards, Rick ________________________________ Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 04:58:38 -0700 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving To: naktalk at naks.com Hi Rick, I suppose that term comes as a translation from the Swiss guys. I was asking more specifically about how you control cartridge loading and playback curve of the records you transcribe. Bala "What You didn't see, you didn't know" ________________________________ From: Rick Hils To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Fri, June 3, 2011 5:21:06 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] LP archiving Bala, You ask what type of "phono linearization" do I use? Well, that could cover lots of things starting from the tone arm tracking and then on to the RIAA phono eq fidelity in my Concept receiver and then on to the impedance match between the receiver outputs and the E-MU A/D converter inputs. To be fair, I haven't checked the linearity of my RCA phono cables lately so that might be what you are asking about. I don't know. The anti-skate on my tone arm may be set a quarter of a gram off. But the art of vinyl record reproduction has and always will be a compromise of imperfections. We all make reasonable attempts to achieve the best sound, and that means to our own ears as well as what the test equipment shows. For me, the two most important issues are the musicality of the phono cartridge and the clear sound of the playback speakers. What counts is that we get enjoyment from listening. Regards- Rick ________________________________ Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 07:33:43 -0700 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving To: naktalk at naks.com Hi Rick, What type of phono linearization do you use? Regards, Bala ________________________________ From: Rick Hils To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 12:14:48 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] LP archiving If you want, give them my name. I can make very nice transfers. I use a Thorens TD 145 with Shure V15 III and I also have a Lenco heavy platter table than has infinite speed adjust from 16 rpm to 78 rpm. I can either go straight into my E-MU 96/24 convertor or first into my Nak BX-300 and then to the DAC. The situation is that I am close to the 91601 zip code (Los Angeles area) and can possibly pick up the records myself. I would do one record side to see if it meets with your friends needs. Rick email: rhils at hotmail.com > Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 14:11:31 -0700 > From: fripp_em at yahoo.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving > > I seem to remember there was someone on naktalk (West of the Mississippi) who >did professional transfers of cassette and LP collections to digital? I can't >remember who that was but I know someone who wants to do this with a large >collection of LPs (I guess some are rare). 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Lynx's performance has impressed me thus far and may be >my next step up. I share your opinions about Audacity, but as with most open >source stuff, it works great although it doesn't look so. > > > > > > ________________________________ From: "Beckner, Derrick" >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 10:14:54 PM >Subject: RE: [naktalk] LP archiving > > >I use MAGIX Audio Cleaning Lab 17 (up to 24/48) which has a really great >interface and is easy to use. I use Audacity for any recordings I want at 24/96 >but don’t like the interface nearly as much, but of course it is free. > > >Use a Soundblaster external USB X-Fi HD >http://uk.store.creative.com/sound-blaster/sound-blaster-x-fi-hd/1-19829.aspx > >USB eliminates any internal computer noise from your recording. Any standard >issue internal soundcard is going to sound like butt. > >From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of >Bala Ganesh Chandra >Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 1:10 AM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving > >Cheryl, > >I started off with Cool Edit Pro on Windows , then eventually switched to >Audacity running both on a iMac and a MacBook Pro. > > >Regards, >Bala > > > ________________________________ >From:Cheryl Kaupp >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 1:10:56 PM >Subject: RE: [naktalk] LP archiving > >Bala, > >What software are you using? > >Thanks, >Cheryl > > ________________________________ >From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of >Bala Ganesh Chandra >Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 3:38 PM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving >I am archiving many old and rare tape recordings onto digital now. After much >trials, I managed to get the right format and setup that gives ticks all the >boxes in terms of a digital format. It is a tedious task, but one that may be >very important for posterity. > > >Regards, >Bala > > ________________________________ >From:fripp_em >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 7:11:31 AM >Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving > >I seem to remember there was someone on naktalk (West of the Mississippi) who >did professional transfers of cassette and LP collections to digital? I can't >remember who that was but I know someone who wants to do this with a large >collection of LPs (I guess some are rare). 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URL: From mark8559 at hotmail.com Sat Jun 4 17:39:23 2011 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 09:39:23 -0600 Subject: FW: [naktalk] 700II Stops 1/3 the way through while Playing a Tape In-Reply-To: References: , <428341.79469.qm@web80608.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, , Message-ID: Yes, I've read your advice listed at the bottom of this posting. I'm getting closer to fixing the problem as I notice the deck will play a 100 minute tape 2/3 the way thru, but still goes into stop mode. Also - I noticed when I keep my finger on the play button, the deck keeps playing the tape and does not go into stop mode! I reside in Phoenix, AZ. Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 11:07:15 +0100 Subject: Re: FW: [naktalk] 700II Stops 1/3 the way through while Playing a Tape From: ct.waveform at googlemail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Mark, have you read my advice on this? Also where are you as I might like to take it off your hands. Best wishes, Christian. On Jun 4, 2011 4:59 AM, "Mark Exstedt" wrote: > > > > From: Mark Exstedt > Subject: [naktalk] 700II Stops 1/3 the way through while Playing a Tape > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Saturday, May 21, 2011, 10:19 AM > > > > > Received a 700II which works fine, but goes into stop mode about 1/3 - 1/2 through on both 60 and 90 minute tapes. > I used this older post as a reference to fix the problem, but still no luck. > Perhaps it may be a clutch problem? Although the top reel does not easily stop with light finger pressure applied to the top reel. > The previous owner had new belts install two years ago and the belt tension seems fine. > Any suggestions? > > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Christian Thomas > Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 6:21 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 700 stops after starting to play > tapes > > > > Has no one replied to this? > > > > I would guess that the spool uptake motor is getting a bit weak and sticky. The tape then gets loose after the capstan and an auto cutout stops the tape from playing. The full time solution to this is to replace the motor but this is probably a shame since the problem is likely to be caused by the lubricating grease thickening up through lack of use and age rather than any actual damage. > > > > Squirting various solvents and oils into the motor is one route to curing this. Ideally you would remove the motor and then run it for a few hours in each direction. Alternatively you can do a bit of squirting into some of the holes and around the phosphor bronze bearings and FF and Rewind it without a tape for a couple of hours in each direction (keeping a monitor of the temperature - though this shouldn't be a problem.) You may find this starts to allow you perhaps 10 minutes into the tape before it stops again, in which case more of the same is required. Overnight soaks also help as it takes some time for the bronze to take up the new oil. Hope this helps. > > > CT > > On 6 December 2010 15:55, Mitchell, Mike K wrote: > > I have used my Nak 700 since ~1975 and only cleaned it every couple years and put in new belts ~5 years ago. Yesterday the tapes would start for a few seconds then stop as if the motor did not have enough power to drive the tape. The tapes are all "loose" ie not too tight. 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FWIW, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Mark Exstedt Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 5:39 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: FW: [naktalk] 700II Stops 1/3 the way through while Playing a Tape Yes, I've read your advice listed at the bottom of this posting. I'm getting closer to fixing the problem as I notice the deck will play a 100 minute tape 2/3 the way thru, but still goes into stop mode. Also - I noticed when I keep my finger on the play button, the deck keeps playing the tape and does not go into stop mode! I reside in Phoenix, AZ. _____ Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 11:07:15 +0100 Subject: Re: FW: [naktalk] 700II Stops 1/3 the way through while Playing a Tape From: ct.waveform at googlemail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Mark, have you read my advice on this? Also where are you as I might like to take it off your hands. Best wishes, Christian. On Jun 4, 2011 4:59 AM, "Mark Exstedt" wrote: > > > > From: Mark Exstedt > Subject: [naktalk] 700II Stops 1/3 the way through while Playing a Tape > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Saturday, May 21, 2011, 10:19 AM > > > > > Received a 700II which works fine, but goes into stop mode about 1/3 - 1/2 through on both 60 and 90 minute tapes. > I used this older post as a reference to fix the problem, but still no luck. > Perhaps it may be a clutch problem? Although the top reel does not easily stop with light finger pressure applied to the top reel. > The previous owner had new belts install two years ago and the belt tension seems fine. > Any suggestions? > > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Christian Thomas > Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 6:21 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 700 stops after starting to play > tapes > > > > Has no one replied to this? > > > > I would guess that the spool uptake motor is getting a bit weak and sticky. The tape then gets loose after the capstan and an auto cutout stops the tape from playing. The full time solution to this is to replace the motor but this is probably a shame since the problem is likely to be caused by the lubricating grease thickening up through lack of use and age rather than any actual damage. > > > > Squirting various solvents and oils into the motor is one route to curing this. Ideally you would remove the motor and then run it for a few hours in each direction. Alternatively you can do a bit of squirting into some of the holes and around the phosphor bronze bearings and FF and Rewind it without a tape for a couple of hours in each direction (keeping a monitor of the temperature - though this shouldn't be a problem.) You may find this starts to allow you perhaps 10 minutes into the tape before it stops again, in which case more of the same is required. Overnight soaks also help as it takes some time for the bronze to take up the new oil. Hope this helps. > > > CT > > On 6 December 2010 15:55, Mitchell, Mike K wrote: > > I have used my Nak 700 since ~1975 and only cleaned it every couple years and put in new belts ~5 years ago. Yesterday the tapes would start for a few seconds then stop as if the motor did not have enough power to drive the tape. The tapes are all "loose" ie not too tight. Ideas? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark8559 at hotmail.com Sat Jun 4 20:51:15 2011 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 12:51:15 -0600 Subject: FW: [naktalk] 700II Stops 1/3 the way through while Playing a Tape In-Reply-To: References: , , <428341.79469.qm@web80608.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, , , , , , Message-ID: Tests indicate while playing a 100 minute tape, it stops at 1/2 through. Forgot to mention the play button is the feather touch type, as the 700II came in two different styles of controls. Funny thing - when I keep my finger on the play button, the deck keeps playing the tape and does not go into stop mode! From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] 700II Stops 1/3 the way through while Playing a Tape Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 07:38:16 -1000 I know nothing about the 700II, but the 582 parts machine I bought from ebay did something similar in record mode. It would either refuse to engage in REC mode or would engage and then stop a while later. It turned out that the cam position wasn't properly adjusted. After adjusting the VR's for both REC and PLAY (the settings affect each other) it works fine. FWIW, Cheryl From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Mark Exstedt Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 5:39 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: FW: [naktalk] 700II Stops 1/3 the way through while Playing a Tape Yes, I've read your advice listed at the bottom of this posting. I'm getting closer to fixing the problem as I notice the deck will play a 100 minute tape 2/3 the way thru, but still goes into stop mode. Also - I noticed when I keep my finger on the play button, the deck keeps playing the tape and does not go into stop mode! I reside in Phoenix, AZ. Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 11:07:15 +0100 Subject: Re: FW: [naktalk] 700II Stops 1/3 the way through while Playing a Tape From: ct.waveform at googlemail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Mark, have you read my advice on this? Also where are you as I might like to take it off your hands. Best wishes, Christian. On Jun 4, 2011 4:59 AM, "Mark Exstedt" wrote: > > > > From: Mark Exstedt > Subject: [naktalk] 700II Stops 1/3 the way through while Playing a Tape > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Saturday, May 21, 2011, 10:19 AM > > > > > Received a 700II which works fine, but goes into stop mode about 1/3 - 1/2 through on both 60 and 90 minute tapes. > I used this older post as a reference to fix the problem, but still no luck. > Perhaps it may be a clutch problem? Although the top reel does not easily stop with light finger pressure applied to the top reel. > The previous owner had new belts install two years ago and the belt tension seems fine. > Any suggestions? > > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Christian Thomas > Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 6:21 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 700 stops after starting to play > tapes > > > > Has no one replied to this? > > > > I would guess that the spool uptake motor is getting a bit weak and sticky. The tape then gets loose after the capstan and an auto cutout stops the tape from playing. The full time solution to this is to replace the motor but this is probably a shame since the problem is likely to be caused by the lubricating grease thickening up through lack of use and age rather than any actual damage. > > > > Squirting various solvents and oils into the motor is one route to curing this. Ideally you would remove the motor and then run it for a few hours in each direction. Alternatively you can do a bit of squirting into some of the holes and around the phosphor bronze bearings and FF and Rewind it without a tape for a couple of hours in each direction (keeping a monitor of the temperature - though this shouldn't be a problem.) You may find this starts to allow you perhaps 10 minutes into the tape before it stops again, in which case more of the same is required. Overnight soaks also help as it takes some time for the bronze to take up the new oil. Hope this helps. > > > CT > > On 6 December 2010 15:55, Mitchell, Mike K wrote: > > I have used my Nak 700 since ~1975 and only cleaned it every couple years and put in new belts ~5 years ago. Yesterday the tapes would start for a few seconds then stop as if the motor did not have enough power to drive the tape. The tapes are all "loose" ie not too tight. 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It's inspiring to me to see how hard work and out-of-the-box ideas can pay off, and how old gear like Nakamichi cassettes can still be really useful in a modern studio. From what everyone's been telling me, the secret to Kermit's success has always been having unique, custom made equipment, including software. This is such a great place to work! You sneak in a Wilson Benesch Full Circle when the boss is out of the building all day long to a NASCAR event with friends. On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 8:13 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > A custom program that 'declicks, denoises, EQ and Dyanamic processing'? > That usually stuff that's subject of phsycho-acoustics and patented > algorithms. Either you are kidding us or your boss is loaded! How do you > 'sneak' in a WB Full Circle? > > Bala > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Julie Kessler > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Sat, June 4, 2011 9:15:57 AM > > *Subject:* Re: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico > > Hi! > > That's a great answer. I guess I was being literal and answering how to > transfer LPs with Audacity. We have Audacity, but it's only used for > training purposes, the software we actually use to make digital archive > recordings is custom-programmed and it declicks, denoises, applies EQ and > dynamics processing, various enhancers and then splits the LP into separate > song tracks all in one pass so it's really efficient; with all the records > we archive we wouldn't get anything done with Audacity or typical software. > > > Kermit, Dave and Paul try to do as much EQ, click and denoising with > hardware instead of software. We have two hardware declickers and five > hardware denoisers and our preamp can EQ any record ever made correctly and > compensate for wear and non-standard EQ curves. That way the software > doesn't have much to do. You're really right about cleaning first, and the > guys use the VPI machine to clean the record as good as possible. As far as > styli, Kermit has a place in England make us a set of 30 different styli > with all sorts of different sizes and shapes to fit the groove as good as > can be to reduce noise and wear for the Stanton 681EEE to play 78's right > and 5 different styli for LP's and 45's that fit the Ortofon VMS-20 + 2 > custom styli for the Shure V-15 Type III which is Kermit's favorite. The > turntable we use has a straightline tonearm and it moves like the original > cutter did; all three guys modified the turntable to the max and I bet > Rabco/Harmon-Kardon wouldn't recognize its insides. > > I can always tell which of the guys did the re-recordig job. Paul tends to > use nothing but the hardware and won't use any software processing, and > he'll sweat bullts getting the settings right. Kermit uses both software and > hardware and tends to process very little, just the really bad pops and > noise, but he gets really into the EQ and often uses dynamic range expanders > to undo overcompression, which I think is his pet peeve. Dave just goes all > hog wild and kills all the pops and ticks and noise and just like gets every > processor to the max -- and I swear, by the time he's done he's made the LP > sound like a CD (I think he goes overboard with it all). I > > t's really fun as an intern for me to watch the 3 of them get into > arguments over how much processing a record needs. It's culture clash set to > music. You have Kermit with his 1970's studio thing, then Paul is all into > (how to say it?) "phono culture". Paul learned audio in the late 1980's and > I've caught him sneaking his Wilson Benesch Full Circle turntable in and > using it instead of our modifed Rabco. Dave's the youngest, he was trained > in 2001 at a ProTools studio and just wants to process everything to be as > noiseless as can be. The 3 guys never agree on anything to do with > turntables and records but it's really coo that they get along like > brothers! This really, really, isn't a boring place to work! > > > My turntable has a Rek-O-Kut Micropoise tonearm that Paul modified, and I > have one of Kermit's modified Shure V-15 Type IV cartridges. Awesome sound. > > On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 6:56 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > >> I suppose he was asking about his oldies on tape. >> >> Having said that, click and noise removal is something best done at the >> source level for records. Starting with a clean record,is an absolute >> essential. A good high-end cartridge with a good stylus profile greatly >> reduces noise and clicks by sitting well within the groove. Most earlier >> cartridge profiles do not do this and are influenced by the surface >> condition of the record. Surprisingly, the grooves rarely get damaged unless >> the record is played with a chipped or worn stylus, or if the record has >> bubbles or 'kink warps'. But I have seen good unipivot arms play warped >> records pretty well. If they are still there, leave it. Trying to correct >> clicks and pops ends rarely leaves the quality of the rest of the track >> unmolested. >> >> With a good set-up, records that were thought to click and pop badly came >> up absolutely quiet - so quiet you can hear the stop and start of the hiss >> of the master tape in between tracks. Boxes, devices and kludges best remain >> in museums. >> >> I envy you working for a great boss. >> >> Bala >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Julie Kessler >> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> *Sent:* Fri, June 3, 2011 12:31:27 PM >> *Subject:* Re: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico >> >> Rodrigo, >> >> The procedure we use here goes like this: >> >> 1. Record the disc into the software. >> 2. Next, choose "Click Removal." Highlight all of the audio file waveform >> (i.e., "select the audio file" as a shorthand term for this) for >> processing. The default setting works okay, but you may have to Undo and >> retry a few times to get the best results. "Click removal" seems to work >> best before EQing for the record characteristic EQ. >> 3. If you don't have an equalized preamp, apply EQ using the software. >> Select all of the audio file for processing. Audacity has several record EQs >> listed under "Effect...Equalization." >> 4. Choose whichever EQ matches the disc. You can tweak the EQ graphically >> to correct for worn or off-standard discs. >> 5. Next, choose "Noise Removal." Delesect the file. Select a small part of >> the file where there is silence between tracks. Click "Get Noise Profile." >> Now, select the whole audio file and choose "Noise Removal" again. This time >> just click OK. The default setting works okay, but you may have to Undo and >> retry a few times to get the best results. >> 6. Now, listen to the whole audio file and when you get to silence between >> tracks highlight the silence between tracks and choose "Insert Silence." >> 7. Finally, go back and "cut up" the file into separate tracks by >> highlighting the waveform of the song and go to File..Export Selection." >> Name the file accordingly and choose the appropriate file formats to match >> what you want to do with the files. >> >> We recommend against using the Normalize or Compressor effects because >> they can really hurt the sound of your transfer but you can use them if you >> think they sound good, of course. >> >> I hope this helps! >> >> On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 7:11 AM, Rodrigo Krause wrote: >> >>> Hi Bala, >>> Would you mind sharing with us how you are doing this? I'm starting to >>> look up how to put my wonderful "olies" ontape into digital. >>> I'd much appreciate any inputs. >>> Thank you in advance for any info you may share. >>> Best regards, >>> Rodrigo >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *De*: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >>> *Para*: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> *Enviada em*: Wed Jun 01 22:38:15 2011 >>> *Assunto*: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving >>> >>> I am archiving many old and rare tape recordings onto digital now. After >>> much trials, I managed to get the right format and setup that gives ticks >>> all the boxes in terms of a digital format. It is a tedious task, but one >>> that may be very important for posterity. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Bala >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* fripp_em >>> *To:* naktalk at naks.com >>> *Sent:* Thu, June 2, 2011 7:11:31 AM >>> *Subject:* [naktalk] LP archiving >>> >>> I seem to remember there was someone on naktalk (West of the Mississippi) >>> who did professional transfers of cassette and LP collections to digital? I >>> can't remember who that was but I know someone who wants to do this with a >>> large collection of LPs (I guess some are rare). If it was one or two >>> records I'd consider it, but it's not my career:-) Anyone remember who that >>> was? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> David >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes privilegiadas e/ou >>> de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem autorizacao do >>> >>> remetente. >>> >>> Portanto, se voce recebeu esta mensagem por engano, por favor, nos informe >>> respondendo imediatamente a este e-mail e em seguida apague-a. >>> >>> A empresa MULTIPLAN nao se responsabiliza por conclusoes, opinioes, ou outras >>> >>> informacoes nesta mensagem que nao se relacionem com sua linha de negocios. >>> >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> -- Julie Kessler >> juliek at kvglabs.com >> Artist Development Executive >> KVG Laboratories >> I Found The Sound! 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URL: From juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com Sat Jun 4 21:32:04 2011 From: juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com (Julie Kessler) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 14:32:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] LP arcaico In-Reply-To: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40338E10E@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br> References: <530049.21163.qm@web160616.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40338E0F8@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br> <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40338E10E@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br> Message-ID: Hi Rodrigo, For something to get the sound of your tapes or records into your computer, I really love the M-Audio line of products. They're inexensive for the quality and most of the A/D/A converters (audio interfaces) come with ProTools LE, which is way better software than Audacity, and ProTools is what most professional recording studios use anyway, so you can get the sound of of a pro studio really cheap. On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 7:52 AM, Rodrigo Krause wrote: > Thank you so much, Julie. The only question left is what is your source > to get your analog into the computer? > > Thanks again, > > > > Rodrigo > > > > *De:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *Em nome > de *Julie Kessler > *Enviada em:* quinta-feira, 2 de junho de 2011 23:31 > > *Para:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Assunto:* Re: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico > > > > Rodrigo, > > The procedure we use here goes like this: > > 1. Record the disc into the software. > 2. Next, choose "Click Removal." Highlight all of the audio file waveform > (i.e., "select the audio file" as a shorthand term for this) for > processing. The default setting works okay, but you may have to Undo and > retry a few times to get the best results. "Click removal" seems to work > best before EQing for the record characteristic EQ. > 3. If you don't have an equalized preamp, apply EQ using the software. > Select all of the audio file for processing. Audacity has several record EQs > listed under "Effect...Equalization." > 4. Choose whichever EQ matches the disc. You can tweak the EQ graphically > to correct for worn or off-standard discs. > 5. Next, choose "Noise Removal." Delesect the file. Select a small part of > the file where there is silence between tracks. Click "Get Noise Profile." > Now, select the whole audio file and choose "Noise Removal" again. This time > just click OK. The default setting works okay, but you may have to Undo and > retry a few times to get the best results. > 6. Now, listen to the whole audio file and when you get to silence between > tracks highlight the silence between tracks and choose "Insert Silence." > 7. Finally, go back and "cut up" the file into separate tracks by > highlighting the waveform of the song and go to File..Export Selection." > Name the file accordingly and choose the appropriate file formats to match > what you want to do with the files. > > We recommend against using the Normalize or Compressor effects because they > can really hurt the sound of your transfer but you can use them if you think > they sound good, of course. > > I hope this helps! > > On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 7:11 AM, Rodrigo Krause > wrote: > > Hi Bala, > Would you mind sharing with us how you are doing this? I'm starting to look > up how to put my wonderful "olies" ontape into digital. > I'd much appreciate any inputs. > Thank you in advance for any info you may share. > Best regards, > Rodrigo > > > ------------------------------ > > *De*: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > *Para*: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Enviada em*: Wed Jun 01 22:38:15 2011 > *Assunto*: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving > > I am archiving many old and rare tape recordings onto digital now. After > much trials, I managed to get the right format and setup that gives ticks > all the boxes in terms of a digital format. It is a tedious task, but one > that may be very important for posterity. > > Regards, > Bala > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* fripp_em > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Sent:* Thu, June 2, 2011 7:11:31 AM > *Subject:* [naktalk] LP archiving > > I seem to remember there was someone on naktalk (West of the Mississippi) > who did professional transfers of cassette and LP collections to digital? I > can't remember who that was but I know someone who wants to do this with a > large collection of LPs (I guess some are rare). If it was one or two > records I'd consider it, but it's not my career:-) Anyone remember who that > was? > > Thanks, > David > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes privilegiadas e/ou > > de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem autorizacao do > > remetente. > > > > Portanto, se voce recebeu esta mensagem por engano, por favor, nos informe > > respondendo imediatamente a este e-mail e em seguida apague-a. > > > > A empresa MULTIPLAN nao se responsabiliza por conclusoes, opinioes, ou outras > > informacoes nesta mensagem que nao se relacionem com sua linha de negocios. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > -- > -- Julie Kessler > juliek at kvglabs.com > Artist Development Executive > KVG Laboratories > I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered > http://www.kvglabs.com > > Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes privilegiadas e/ou > de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem autorizacao do > remetente. > > Portanto, se voce recebeu esta mensagem por engano, por favor, nos informe > respondendo imediatamente a este e-mail e em seguida apague-a. > > A empresa MULTIPLAN nao se responsabiliza por conclusoes, opinioes, ou outras > informacoes nesta mensagem que nao se relacionem com sua linha de negocios. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! 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After an hour or so of observing the strange action, I noticed that the cam pointer did not point to REC on the cam when it was trying to engage and when it would just stop recording. The pointer was about 1/4" away from the REC mark. The manual had a section about CAM alignment via the VR's that affect the movement of the cam motor. But I don't even know if the 700II has the classic transport... As I recall, there are a couple of Nak docs on the wiki regarding units that drop out of PLAY mode. _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Mark Exstedt Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 8:51 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: FW: [naktalk] 700II Stops 1/3 the way through while Playing a Tape Tests indicate while playing a 100 minute tape, it stops at 1/2 through. Forgot to mention the play button is the feather touch type, as the 700II came in two different styles of controls. Funny thing - when I keep my finger on the play button, the deck keeps playing the tape and does not go into stop mode! _____ From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] 700II Stops 1/3 the way through while Playing a Tape Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 07:38:16 -1000 I know nothing about the 700II, but the 582 parts machine I bought from ebay did something similar in record mode. It would either refuse to engage in REC mode or would engage and then stop a while later. It turned out that the cam position wasn't properly adjusted. After adjusting the VR's for both REC and PLAY (the settings affect each other) it works fine. FWIW, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Mark Exstedt Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 5:39 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: FW: [naktalk] 700II Stops 1/3 the way through while Playing a Tape Yes, I've read your advice listed at the bottom of this posting. I'm getting closer to fixing the problem as I notice the deck will play a 100 minute tape 2/3 the way thru, but still goes into stop mode. Also - I noticed when I keep my finger on the play button, the deck keeps playing the tape and does not go into stop mode! I reside in Phoenix, AZ. _____ Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 11:07:15 +0100 Subject: Re: FW: [naktalk] 700II Stops 1/3 the way through while Playing a Tape From: ct.waveform at googlemail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Mark, have you read my advice on this? Also where are you as I might like to take it off your hands. Best wishes, Christian. On Jun 4, 2011 4:59 AM, "Mark Exstedt" wrote: > > > > From: Mark Exstedt > Subject: [naktalk] 700II Stops 1/3 the way through while Playing a Tape > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Saturday, May 21, 2011, 10:19 AM > > > > > Received a 700II which works fine, but goes into stop mode about 1/3 - 1/2 through on both 60 and 90 minute tapes. > I used this older post as a reference to fix the problem, but still no luck. > Perhaps it may be a clutch problem? Although the top reel does not easily stop with light finger pressure applied to the top reel. > The previous owner had new belts install two years ago and the belt tension seems fine. > Any suggestions? > > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Christian Thomas > Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 6:21 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 700 stops after starting to play > tapes > > > > Has no one replied to this? > > > > I would guess that the spool uptake motor is getting a bit weak and sticky. The tape then gets loose after the capstan and an auto cutout stops the tape from playing. The full time solution to this is to replace the motor but this is probably a shame since the problem is likely to be caused by the lubricating grease thickening up through lack of use and age rather than any actual damage. > > > > Squirting various solvents and oils into the motor is one route to curing this. Ideally you would remove the motor and then run it for a few hours in each direction. Alternatively you can do a bit of squirting into some of the holes and around the phosphor bronze bearings and FF and Rewind it without a tape for a couple of hours in each direction (keeping a monitor of the temperature - though this shouldn't be a problem.) You may find this starts to allow you perhaps 10 minutes into the tape before it stops again, in which case more of the same is required. Overnight soaks also help as it takes some time for the bronze to take up the new oil. Hope this helps. > > > CT > > On 6 December 2010 15:55, Mitchell, Mike K wrote: > > I have used my Nak 700 since ~1975 and only cleaned it every couple years and put in new belts ~5 years ago. Yesterday the tapes would start for a few seconds then stop as if the motor did not have enough power to drive the tape. The tapes are all "loose" ie not too tight. Ideas? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rhils at hotmail.com Sat Jun 4 17:51:33 2011 From: rhils at hotmail.com (Rick Hils) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 08:51:33 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving In-Reply-To: <483776.35120.qm@web160608.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <272692.69932.qm@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, ,,, , , <539442.97382.qm@web160619.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, , , , <106824.92525.qm@web160603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, , <483776.35120.qm@web160608.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bala, Thanks for telling me about Dr. Manuel Huber. He is, no doubt, a brilliant engineer. I'll try using a variable EQ set at an octave width, a 5 db gain, and sweep some freq. ranges. And I'll try to find some of Dr. Huber's material. -Regards, Rick Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 06:20:54 -0700 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving To: naktalk at naks.com Hi Rick, I respect your way of doing things. I always felt similar until I attended a talk by FM Acoustics' founder Dr. Huber who demonstrated to us the importance of variable EQ. Even slight modulations in the standard RIAA curve, as you might know, brings immense difference in the sound quality. Even 70s pop records that sounded compressed sounded much livelier and bigger thanks to a more accurate reproduction curve. Correct cart loading (which you have mentioned), and correct record playback linearization are two things that are so important and yet overlooked with such regularity listeners do not know what they are missing out. Regards, Bala From: Rick Hils To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sat, June 4, 2011 9:07:55 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] LP archiving Bala, I don't have the knowledge to test and to, therefore, report any findings. I will say that when I use my Shure V15 III cartridge with my Concept receiver, the results are very good. The Concept receivers use a phono input impedance of 50k, which is appropriate for the Shure V15. As long as I am hearing enough detail in the mid to upper mid-range, then I am happy. I'm not so concerned about whether or not the low end goes down to 30 or 20 hz. As far as computer wave editing goes, I try to avoid tweaking the wav file too much. I prefer to leave the phasing characteristics of the original unaltered. I also feel that light surface noise from the original LP is better left alone. Much better to hear it all than to muffle any of the highs. -Regards, Rick Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 04:58:38 -0700 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving To: naktalk at naks.com Hi Rick, I suppose that term comes as a translation from the Swiss guys. I was asking more specifically about how you control cartridge loading and playback curve of the records you transcribe. Bala "What You didn't see, you didn't know" From: Rick Hils To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Fri, June 3, 2011 5:21:06 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] LP archiving Bala, You ask what type of "phono linearization" do I use? Well, that could cover lots of things starting from the tone arm tracking and then on to the RIAA phono eq fidelity in my Concept receiver and then on to the impedance match between the receiver outputs and the E-MU A/D converter inputs. To be fair, I haven't checked the linearity of my RCA phono cables lately so that might be what you are asking about. I don't know. The anti-skate on my tone arm may be set a quarter of a gram off. But the art of vinyl record reproduction has and always will be a compromise of imperfections. We all make reasonable attempts to achieve the best sound, and that means to our own ears as well as what the test equipment shows. For me, the two most important issues are the musicality of the phono cartridge and the clear sound of the playback speakers. What counts is that we get enjoyment from listening. Regards- Rick Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 07:33:43 -0700 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving To: naktalk at naks.com Hi Rick, What type of phono linearization do you use? Regards, Bala From: Rick Hils To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 12:14:48 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] LP archiving If you want, give them my name. I can make very nice transfers. I use a Thorens TD 145 with Shure V15 III and I also have a Lenco heavy platter table than has infinite speed adjust from 16 rpm to 78 rpm. I can either go straight into my E-MU 96/24 convertor or first into my Nak BX-300 and then to the DAC. The situation is that I am close to the 91601 zip code (Los Angeles area) and can possibly pick up the records myself. I would do one record side to see if it meets with your friends needs. Rick email: rhils at hotmail.com > Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 14:11:31 -0700 > From: fripp_em at yahoo.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving > > I seem to remember there was someone on naktalk (West of the Mississippi) who did professional transfers of cassette and LP collections to digital? I can't remember who that was but I know someone who wants to do this with a large collection of LPs (I guess some are rare). If it was one or two records I'd consider it, but it's not my career:-) Anyone remember who that was? > > Thanks, > David > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bob N --- On Thu, 6/2/11, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, June 2, 2011, 8:45 PM The  internal cards from Terratec and Lynx usually are much much better then standard cards anytime. Lynx's performance has impressed me thus far and may be my next step up. I share your opinions about Audacity, but as with most open source stuff, it works great although it doesn't look so. From: "Beckner, Derrick" To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 10:14:54 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] LP archiving I use MAGIX Audio Cleaning Lab 17 (up to 24/48) which has a really great interface and is easy to use.  I use Audacity for any recordings I want at 24/96 but don’t like the interface nearly as much, but of course it is free.   Use a Soundblaster external USB X-Fi HD http://uk.store.creative.com/sound-blaster/sound-blaster-x-fi-hd/1-19829.aspx  USB eliminates any internal computer noise from your recording.  Any standard issue internal soundcard is going to sound like butt.  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 1:10 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving  Cheryl, I started off with Cool Edit Pro on Windows , then eventually switched to Audacity running both on a iMac and a MacBook Pro. Regards, Bala    From: Cheryl Kaupp To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 1:10:56 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] LP archiving Bala, What software are you using?  Thanks,Cheryl  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 3:38 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archivingI am archiving many old and rare tape recordings onto digital now. After much trials, I managed to get the right format and setup that gives ticks all the boxes in terms of a digital format. It is a tedious task, but one that may be very important for posterity. Regards, Bala  From: fripp_em To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 7:11:31 AM Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving I seem to remember there was someone on naktalk (West of the Mississippi) who did professional transfers of cassette and LP collections to digital?  I can't remember who that was but I know someone who wants to do this with a large collection of LPs (I guess some are rare).  If it was one or two records I'd consider it, but it's not my career:-)  Anyone remember who that was?  Thanks, David ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thomas36245-net at yahoo.com Sat Jun 4 20:24:10 2011 From: thomas36245-net at yahoo.com (thomas) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 11:24:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: FW: [naktalk] 700II Stops 1/3 the way through while Playing a Tape In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <615648.49931.qm@web80606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mark ; Keep using it. I have an old 600 that I got off EBay that stopped all the time half way thru the tape side at first....for the first couple months. Then it just fixed itself and now plays all the way thru the tape. I  figured that the counter belt had taken a set from not being used for quite awhile . After using it, it just limbered up. Also something to check is if the counter zero reset button pops all the way out after pushing it in to reset the counter to zero. Pull on it and see if it will move out a bit more. This kind of weak spring or sticky mechanism could also cause a problem .         Thomas --- On Sat, 6/4/11, Mark Exstedt wrote: From: Mark Exstedt Subject: FW: [naktalk] 700II Stops 1/3 the way through while Playing a Tape To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Saturday, June 4, 2011, 11:39 AM Yes, I've read your advice listed at the bottom of this posting. I'm getting closer to fixing the problem as I notice the deck will play a 100 minute tape 2/3 the way thru, but still goes into stop mode. Also - I noticed when I keep my finger on the play button, the deck keeps playing the tape and does not go into stop mode! I reside in Phoenix, AZ. Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 11:07:15 +0100 Subject: Re: FW: [naktalk] 700II Stops 1/3 the way through while Playing a Tape From: ct.waveform at googlemail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Mark, have you read my advice on this? Also where are you as I might like to take it off your hands. Best wishes, Christian. On Jun 4, 2011 4:59 AM, "Mark Exstedt" wrote: > > > > From: Mark Exstedt > Subject: [naktalk] 700II Stops 1/3 the way through while Playing a Tape > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Saturday, May 21, 2011, 10:19 AM > > > > > Received a 700II which works fine, but goes into stop mode about 1/3 - 1/2 through on both 60 and 90 minute tapes. > I used this older post as a reference to fix the problem, but still no luck. > Perhaps it may be a clutch problem? Although the top reel does not easily stop with light finger pressure applied to the top reel. > The previous owner had new belts install two years ago and the belt tension seems fine. > Any suggestions? > > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Christian Thomas > Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 6:21 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 700 stops after starting to play > tapes > > > > Has no one replied to this? > > > > I would guess that the spool uptake motor is getting a bit weak and sticky. The tape then gets loose after the capstan and an auto cutout stops the tape from playing. The full time solution to this is to replace the motor but this is probably a shame since the problem is likely to be caused by the lubricating grease thickening up through lack of use and age rather than any actual damage. > > > > Squirting various solvents and oils into the motor is one route to curing this. Ideally you would remove the motor and then run it for a few hours in each direction. Alternatively you can do a bit of squirting into some of the holes and around the phosphor bronze bearings and FF and Rewind it without a tape for a couple of hours in each direction (keeping a monitor of the temperature - though this shouldn't be a problem.) You may find this starts to allow you perhaps 10 minutes into the tape before it stops again, in which case more of the same is required. Overnight soaks also help as it takes some time for the bronze to take up the new oil. Hope this helps. > > > CT > > On 6 December 2010 15:55, Mitchell, Mike K wrote: > > I have used my Nak 700 since ~1975 and only cleaned it every couple years and put in new belts ~5 years ago. Yesterday the tapes would start for a few seconds then stop as if the motor did not have enough power to drive the tape. The tapes are all "loose" ie not too tight. Ideas? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com Sat Jun 4 23:28:56 2011 From: juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com (Julie Kessler) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 16:28:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving In-Reply-To: References: <272692.69932.qm@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <539442.97382.qm@web160619.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <106824.92525.qm@web160603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <483776.35120.qm@web160608.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi, I have a question about this for all of you. I know what the guys here in the studio say on the topic, but I just wanted some of you guys' thoughts. As I understand it, FM Acoustics "linearization" is really just variable EQ, which is a great thing (one of our phono preamps has variable EQ & the other has 12 EQ curves with a program EQ to compensate). So the idea is to get the EQ as close to perfect, while correcting for record wear, deviations from the standard EQ during cutting and the influence of cartridge frequency response on playback EQ accuracy (the cartridge's frequency response will cause the playback to differ from textbook perfect EQ, right?). I have learned that altering the record's reproduce EQ sounds really different than trying to use tone controls to correct. It sounds better, I think. So here's my questions: 1. Sometimes a record mastering engineer tweaks the record EQ as a way of correcting for something in the record and/or just because he/she thinks it sounds better. So why should we be undoing what the mastering engineer did, unless the answer is we like the sound better. 2. Unless you're correcting by ear, how can you know what the deviation from textbook playback EQ is, plus deviations made by the mastering engineer,, plus changes caused by record wear and all the other things? Even if you have the precise calibration standard used by the studio that cut the original record master, there's really no way to know for sure. So you really have to do this all by ear, right? So then you can run into the trap of also EQing for your speakers, your cartridge, your own listening tastes., the room sound and a whole bunch of other things. I've been having the most problems learning how to get EQ right, there seems to be no absolute way to know what "correct" is unless you just make assumptions or have a whole bunch of calibration things, and even then that strill seems like ust being arbitrary to me. Or am I just being way too blonde about all of this? On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Rick Hils wrote: > Bala, > Thanks for telling me about Dr. Manuel Huber. He is, no doubt, a brilliant > engineer. I'll try using a variable EQ set at an octave width, a 5 db gain, > and sweep some freq. ranges. > And I'll try to find some of Dr. Huber's material. > -Regards, Rick > > > ------------------------------ > Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 06:20:54 -0700 > > From: bg3009 at yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Hi Rick, > > I respect your way of doing things. I always felt similar until I attended > a talk by FM Acoustics' founder Dr. Huber who demonstrated to us the > importance of variable EQ. Even slight modulations in the standard RIAA > curve, as you might know, brings immense difference in the sound quality. > Even 70s pop records that sounded compressed sounded much livelier and > bigger thanks to a more accurate reproduction curve. Correct cart loading > (which you have mentioned), and correct record playback linearization are > two things that are so important and yet overlooked with such regularity > listeners do not know what they are missing out. > > Regards, > Bala > ------------------------------ > *From:* Rick Hils > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Sent:* Sat, June 4, 2011 9:07:55 AM > *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] LP archiving > > Bala, > I don't have the knowledge to test and to, therefore, report any findings. > I will say that when I use my Shure V15 III cartridge with my Concept > receiver, the results are very good. The Concept receivers use a phono input > impedance of 50k, which is appropriate for the Shure V15. As long as I am > hearing enough detail in the mid to upper mid-range, then I am happy. I'm > not so concerned about whether or not the low end goes down to 30 or 20 hz. > As far as computer wave editing goes, I try to avoid tweaking the wav file > too much. I prefer to leave the phasing characteristics of the original > unaltered. I also feel that light surface noise from the original LP is > better left alone. Much better to hear it all than to muffle any of the > highs. > -Regards, Rick > > > ------------------------------ > Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 04:58:38 -0700 > From: bg3009 at yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Hi Rick, > > I suppose that term comes as a translation from the Swiss guys. I was > asking more specifically about how you control cartridge loading and > playback curve of the records you transcribe. > > Bala > > "What You didn't see, you didn't know" > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Rick Hils > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Sent:* Fri, June 3, 2011 5:21:06 AM > *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] LP archiving > > Bala, > You ask what type of "phono linearization" do I use? Well, that could cover > lots of things starting from the tone arm tracking and then on to the RIAA > phono eq fidelity in my Concept receiver and then on to the impedance match > between the receiver outputs and the E-MU A/D converter inputs. To be fair, > I haven't checked the linearity of my RCA phono cables lately so that might > be what you are asking about. I don't know. The anti-skate on my tone arm > may be set a quarter of a gram off. > But the art of vinyl record reproduction has and always will be a > compromise of imperfections. We all make reasonable attempts to achieve the > best sound, and that means to our own ears as well as what the test > equipment shows. For me, the two most important issues are the musicality of > the phono cartridge and the clear sound of the playback speakers. What > counts is that we get enjoyment from listening. > Regards- Rick > > ------------------------------ > Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 07:33:43 -0700 > From: bg3009 at yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Hi Rick, > > What type of phono linearization do you use? > > Regards, > Bala > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Rick Hils > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Sent:* Thu, June 2, 2011 12:14:48 PM > *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] LP archiving > > If you want, give them my name. I can make very nice transfers. I use a > Thorens TD 145 with Shure V15 III and I also have a Lenco heavy platter > table than has infinite speed adjust from 16 rpm to 78 rpm. I can either go > straight into my E-MU 96/24 convertor or first into my Nak BX-300 and then > to the DAC. > The situation is that I am close to the 91601 zip code (Los Angeles area) > and can possibly pick up the records myself. I would do one record side to > see if it meets with your friends needs. > Rick > email: rhils at hotmail.com > > > Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 14:11:31 -0700 > > From: fripp_em at yahoo.com > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving > > > > I seem to remember there was someone on naktalk (West of the Mississippi) > who did professional transfers of cassette and LP collections to digital? I > can't remember who that was but I know someone who wants to do this with a > large collection of LPs (I guess some are rare). If it was one or two > records I'd consider it, but it's not my career:-) Anyone remember who that > was? > > > > Thanks, > > David > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! > http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! > http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! 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IF one of the Nakamichi's have standard EQ, which is the most neutral sounding? I'd like to match the "feel" of the sound of my Revox A77 Mk. III Dolby as close as possible, if that makes any sense. If no Nakamichi has standard EQ, then I'm trying to decide between these cassette decks -- Revox B710 Mk. II, Tandberg TCD-440, or Bang & Olufsen 9000 (I know where I can get a B&O 9000 really cheap, about the same cost as a pair of Flip-Flops). Thanks for all your advice! -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered http://www.kvglabs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 5 05:13:20 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 20:13:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] LP arcaico In-Reply-To: References: <530049.21163.qm@web160616.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40338E0F8@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br> <514037.18583.qm@web160611.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <54853.318.qm@web160617.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <874940.97038.qm@web160601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hmm..seeing is believing. So far none of us has seen anything except words, words and more words. ________________________________ From: Julie Kessler To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sun, June 5, 2011 5:28:13 AM Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico Bala, Kermit hired some programmers to write the custom software for us. I imagine it was expensive but I don't know, and I can't say about how the software works, but it's pretty amazing to watch. Yes indeed, the boss is loaded because the business has been really successful the last year or so. It's inspiring to me to see how hard work and out-of-the-box ideas can pay off, and how old gear like Nakamichi cassettes can still be really useful in a modern studio. From what everyone's been telling me, the secret to Kermit's success has always been having unique, custom made equipment, including software. This is such a great place to work! You sneak in a Wilson Benesch Full Circle when the boss is out of the building all day long to a NASCAR event with friends. On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 8:13 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: A custom program that 'declicks, denoises, EQ and Dyanamic processing'? That usually stuff that's subject of phsycho-acoustics and patented algorithms. Either you are kidding us or your boss is loaded! How do you 'sneak' in a WB Full Circle? > >Bala > > > > > > ________________________________ From: Julie Kessler >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Sat, June 4, 2011 9:15:57 AM > >Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico > > >Hi! > >That's a great answer. I guess I was being literal and answering how to transfer >LPs with Audacity. We have Audacity, but it's only used for training purposes, >the software we actually use to make digital archive recordings is >custom-programmed and it declicks, denoises, applies EQ and dynamics processing, >various enhancers and then splits the LP into separate song tracks all in one >pass so it's really efficient; with all the records we archive we wouldn't get >anything done with Audacity or typical software. > > >Kermit, Dave and Paul try to do as much EQ, click and denoising with hardware >instead of software. We have two hardware declickers and five hardware denoisers >and our preamp can EQ any record ever made correctly and compensate for wear and >non-standard EQ curves. That way the software doesn't have much to do. You're >really right about cleaning first, and the guys use the VPI machine to clean the >record as good as possible. As far as styli, Kermit has a place in England make >us a set of 30 different styli with all sorts of different sizes and shapes to >fit the groove as good as can be to reduce noise and wear for the Stanton 681EEE >to play 78's right and 5 different styli for LP's and 45's that fit the Ortofon >VMS-20 + 2 custom styli for the Shure V-15 Type III which is Kermit's favorite. >The turntable we use has a straightline tonearm and it moves like the original >cutter did; all three guys modified the turntable to the max and I bet >Rabco/Harmon-Kardon wouldn't recognize its insides. > >I can always tell which of the guys did the re-recordig job. Paul tends to use >nothing but the hardware and won't use any software processing, and he'll sweat >bullts getting the settings right. Kermit uses both software and hardware and >tends to process very little, just the really bad pops and noise, but he gets >really into the EQ and often uses dynamic range expanders to undo >overcompression, which I think is his pet peeve. Dave just goes all hog wild and >kills all the pops and ticks and noise and just like gets every processor to the >max -- and I swear, by the time he's done he's made the LP sound like a CD (I >think he goes overboard with it all). I > >t's really fun as an intern for me to watch the 3 of them get into arguments >over how much processing a record needs. It's culture clash set to music. You >have Kermit with his 1970's studio thing, then Paul is all into (how to say it?) >"phono culture". Paul learned audio in the late 1980's and I've caught him >sneaking his Wilson Benesch Full Circle turntable in and using it instead of our >modifed Rabco. Dave's the youngest, he was trained in 2001 at a ProTools studio >and just wants to process everything to be as noiseless as can be. The 3 guys >never agree on anything to do with turntables and records but it's really coo >that they get along like brothers! This really, really, isn't a boring place to >work! > > > >My turntable has a Rek-O-Kut Micropoise tonearm that Paul modified, and I have >one of Kermit's modified Shure V-15 Type IV cartridges. Awesome sound. > > > >On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 6:56 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > >I suppose he was asking about his oldies on tape. >> >>Having said that, click and noise removal is something best done at the source >>level for records. Starting with a clean record,is an absolute essential. A good >>high-end cartridge with a good stylus profile greatly reduces noise and clicks >>by sitting well within the groove. Most earlier cartridge profiles do not do >>this and are influenced by the surface condition of the record. Surprisingly, >>the grooves rarely get damaged unless the record is played with a chipped or >>worn stylus, or if the record has bubbles or 'kink warps'. But I have seen good >>unipivot arms play warped records pretty well. If they are still there, leave >>it. Trying to correct clicks and pops ends rarely leaves the quality of the rest >>of the track unmolested. >> >> >>With a good set-up, records that were thought to click and pop badly came up >>absolutely quiet - so quiet you can hear the stop and start of the hiss of the >>master tape in between tracks. Boxes, devices and kludges best remain in >>museums. >> >> >>I envy you working for a great boss. >> >> >>Bala >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ From: Julie Kessler >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Sent: Fri, June 3, 2011 12:31:27 PM >>Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico >> >> >>Rodrigo, >> >>The procedure we use here goes like this: >> >>1. Record the disc into the software. >>2. Next, choose "Click Removal." Highlight all of the audio file waveform (i.e., >>"select the audio file" as a shorthand term for this) for processing. The >>default setting works okay, but you may have to Undo and retry a few times to >>get the best results. "Click removal" seems to work best before EQing for the >>record characteristic EQ. >> >>3. If you don't have an equalized preamp, apply EQ using the software. Select >>all of the audio file for processing. Audacity has several record EQs listed >>under "Effect...Equalization." >>4. Choose whichever EQ matches the disc. You can tweak the EQ graphically to >>correct for worn or off-standard discs. >> >>5. Next, choose "Noise Removal." Delesect the file. Select a small part of the >>file where there is silence between tracks. Click "Get Noise Profile." Now, >>select the whole audio file and choose "Noise Removal" again. This time just >>click OK. The default setting works okay, but you may have to Undo and retry a >>few times to get the best results. >> >>6. Now, listen to the whole audio file and when you get to silence between >>tracks highlight the silence between tracks and choose "Insert Silence." >> >>7. Finally, go back and "cut up" the file into separate tracks by highlighting >>the waveform of the song and go to File..Export Selection." Name the file >>accordingly and choose the appropriate file formats to match what you want to do >>with the files. >> >> >>We recommend against using the Normalize or Compressor effects because they can >>really hurt the sound of your transfer but you can use them if you think they >>sound good, of course. >> >> >>I hope this helps! >> >> >>On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 7:11 AM, Rodrigo Krause >wrote: >> >>Hi Bala, >>>Would you mind sharing with us how you are doing this? I'm starting to look up >>>how to put my wonderful "olies" ontape into digital. >>>I'd much appreciate any inputs. >>>Thank you in advance for any info you may share. >>>Best regards, >>>Rodrigo >>> >>> ________________________________ De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >>>Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Enviada em: Wed Jun 01 22:38:15 2011 >>>Assunto: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving >>> >>> >>>I am archiving many old and rare tape recordings onto digital now. After much >>>trials, I managed to get the right format and setup that gives ticks all the >>>boxes in terms of a digital format. It is a tedious task, but one that may be >>>very important for posterity. >>> >>> >>>Regards, >>>Bala >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ From: fripp_em >>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 7:11:31 AM >>>Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving >>> >>>I seem to remember there was someone on naktalk (West of the Mississippi) who >>>did professional transfers of cassette and LP collections to digital? I can't >>>remember who that was but I know someone who wants to do this with a large >>>collection of LPs (I guess some are rare). If it was one or two records I'd >>>consider it, but it's not my career:-) Anyone remember who that was? >>> >>> >>>Thanks, >>>David >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>>Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes privilegiadas >>e/ou >>>de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem autorizacao do >>> remetente. >>> >>>Portanto, se voce recebeu esta mensagem por engano, por favor, nos informe >>>respondendo imediatamente a este e-mail e em seguida apague-a. >>> >>>A empresa MULTIPLAN nao se responsabiliza por conclusoes, opinioes, ou outras >>> informacoes nesta mensagem que nao se relacionem com sua linha de negocios. >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >> >>-- >>-- Julie Kessler >>juliek at kvglabs.com >>Artist Development Executive >>KVG Laboratories >>I Found The Sound! 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 5 05:17:28 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 20:17:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Phono Linearization In-Reply-To: References: <272692.69932.qm@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, , , , , , <539442.97382.qm@web160619.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, , , , <106824.92525.qm@web160603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, , <483776.35120.qm@web160608.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <514369.58392.qm@web160617.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hi Rick, I have some reading material on his take behind linearization and how his phono stages work. I can have it scanned for your perusal if you would like. Regards, Bala ________________________________ From: Rick Hils To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sun, June 5, 2011 1:51:33 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] LP archiving Bala, Thanks for telling me about Dr. Manuel Huber. He is, no doubt, a brilliant engineer. I'll try using a variable EQ set at an octave width, a 5 db gain, and sweep some freq. ranges. And I'll try to find some of Dr. Huber's material. -Regards, Rick ________________________________ Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 06:20:54 -0700 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving To: naktalk at naks.com Hi Rick, I respect your way of doing things. I always felt similar until I attended a talk by FM Acoustics' founder Dr. Huber who demonstrated to us the importance of variable EQ. Even slight modulations in the standard RIAA curve, as you might know, brings immense difference in the sound quality. Even 70s pop records that sounded compressed sounded much livelier and bigger thanks to a more accurate reproduction curve. Correct cart loading (which you have mentioned), and correct record playback linearization are two things that are so important and yet overlooked with such regularity listeners do not know what they are missing out. Regards, Bala ________________________________ From: Rick Hils To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sat, June 4, 2011 9:07:55 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] LP archiving Bala, I don't have the knowledge to test and to, therefore, report any findings. I will say that when I use my Shure V15 III cartridge with my Concept receiver, the results are very good. The Concept receivers use a phono input impedance of 50k, which is appropriate for the Shure V15. As long as I am hearing enough detail in the mid to upper mid-range, then I am happy. I'm not so concerned about whether or not the low end goes down to 30 or 20 hz. As far as computer wave editing goes, I try to avoid tweaking the wav file too much. I prefer to leave the phasing characteristics of the original unaltered. I also feel that light surface noise from the original LP is better left alone. Much better to hear it all than to muffle any of the highs. -Regards, Rick ________________________________ Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 04:58:38 -0700 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving To: naktalk at naks.com Hi Rick, I suppose that term comes as a translation from the Swiss guys. I was asking more specifically about how you control cartridge loading and playback curve of the records you transcribe. Bala "What You didn't see, you didn't know" ________________________________ From: Rick Hils To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Fri, June 3, 2011 5:21:06 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] LP archiving Bala, You ask what type of "phono linearization" do I use? Well, that could cover lots of things starting from the tone arm tracking and then on to the RIAA phono eq fidelity in my Concept receiver and then on to the impedance match between the receiver outputs and the E-MU A/D converter inputs. To be fair, I haven't checked the linearity of my RCA phono cables lately so that might be what you are asking about. I don't know. The anti-skate on my tone arm may be set a quarter of a gram off. But the art of vinyl record reproduction has and always will be a compromise of imperfections. We all make reasonable attempts to achieve the best sound, and that means to our own ears as well as what the test equipment shows. For me, the two most important issues are the musicality of the phono cartridge and the clear sound of the playback speakers. What counts is that we get enjoyment from listening. Regards- Rick ________________________________ Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 07:33:43 -0700 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving To: naktalk at naks.com Hi Rick, What type of phono linearization do you use? Regards, Bala ________________________________ From: Rick Hils To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 12:14:48 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] LP archiving If you want, give them my name. I can make very nice transfers. I use a Thorens TD 145 with Shure V15 III and I also have a Lenco heavy platter table than has infinite speed adjust from 16 rpm to 78 rpm. I can either go straight into my E-MU 96/24 convertor or first into my Nak BX-300 and then to the DAC. The situation is that I am close to the 91601 zip code (Los Angeles area) and can possibly pick up the records myself. I would do one record side to see if it meets with your friends needs. Rick email: rhils at hotmail.com > Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 14:11:31 -0700 > From: fripp_em at yahoo.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving > > I seem to remember there was someone on naktalk (West of the Mississippi) who >did professional transfers of cassette and LP collections to digital? I can't >remember who that was but I know someone who wants to do this with a large >collection of LPs (I guess some are rare). If it was one or two records I'd >consider it, but it's not my career:-) Anyone remember who that was? > > > Thanks, > David > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bala ________________________________ From: Mikkel Breiler To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sat, June 4, 2011 5:57:59 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving On Wed, 1 Jun 2011 22:09:36 -0700 (PDT), Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >Cheryl, > >I started off with Cool Edit Pro on Windows , then eventually switched to >Audacity running both on a iMac and a MacBook Pro. I have used CoolEdit since 1997. Presently using CoolEdit2000 with Windows XP IntelCeleron at 900 512MB RAM and all it does is sample stuff and save it on another computer. My sample card is the TerraTec Aureon 7.1 with 5.25'' front bay module for easy access. I am done fiddling on the back of my computer ;) I edit on my main 3GHz WXP machine, and all my sampling computer does is sample, never does anything else. Most of the time it is just sitting there. In 1997 I started suing the old 486DX66 and a SB16 ISA card, then a Ensoniq1370 PCI card. With CoolEdit96. then I went to th PRo version and finally with the XP system I went to the 2000 version. Its been 14 years and a big load of records - mostly 12'' dance vinyl from the 80s, some of which is either difficult to find or priced to stay with the seller. Over the first 7 years I honed some filter for different tasks, pop filters for 45 RPM singles, 45RPM 12'' singles, 33RPM albums, tape noise from cassette and open reel tape. It takes most of the chore out of the sampling process. Nowadays I have faster drives and CPU than when I started. It makes a difference too. I'd love you have a couple of 32GB SATA SSD discs in my system just for editing audio and taking the ads out of my old tv shows. But I do not watch tv anymore. Period. 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The Tandberg TCD-440 has record head Azimuth Adjustment Control just like some Naks and it has very sweet sound but it broke down a lot. Lately the power supply capacitors blown and needed to be fixed. The B&O Becord 9000 has unusual features in the auto-tape calibration area ( Bias, Equalization, Sensistivity and Distortion Level ) and it is a nice sounding deck but its built quality is not as high as others. The Distortion Level in the tape calibration procedure is pretty unique. The meters seem flimsy and over-simplify but it does the job it supposes to do. It is a single-motor/capstan transport but its W&F level is very low.               I own all three decks and from the reliability point of view I would pick the Revox. Based on my past listening experience on these three decks all three are fine recording decks but finding a properly serviced Beocord 9000 will be tough. Tandberg can still be serviced without costing you a fortune.               The above is just my own opinion and it only represents mine. Hope this help. Good Listening, Mike ________________________________ From: Julie Kessler To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sat, June 4, 2011 9:46:19 PM Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck advice sought. Hello All, I'm getting ready to buy my second cassette deck and need some advice. I love my Nakamichi 550, but tapes I make on it don't sound right on my friends' cassettes, because Nakamichi 550's don't use the same EQ as other brands (do I have that right?). So, all I can do if I want to share is have my friends bring their recorder by and copy to their cassette. Right now I'm borrowing a friend's Pioneer CT-F1000, and it's actually pretty good but not as detailed as my Nakamichi 550 So here's my questions: Which Nakamichi's have the same EQ as everyone else, or all they all non-standard? IF one of the Nakamichi's have standard EQ, which is the most neutral sounding? I'd like to match the "feel" of the sound of my Revox A77 Mk. III Dolby as close as possible, if that makes any sense. If no Nakamichi has standard EQ, then I'm trying to decide between these cassette decks -- Revox B710 Mk. II, Tandberg TCD-440, or Bang & Olufsen 9000 (I know where I can get a B&O 9000 really cheap, about the same cost as a pair of Flip-Flops). Thanks for all your advice! -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered http://www.kvglabs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 5 05:36:08 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 20:36:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving In-Reply-To: References: <272692.69932.qm@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <539442.97382.qm@web160619.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <106824.92525.qm@web160603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <483776.35120.qm@web160608.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <71760.6539.qm@web160608.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Julie, The question we all have for you is why Kermit, who is fit to attend Nascar races, isn't posting on Naktalk. Where is he, and why is he not answering your below questions? The answer to your questions would be to speak to Dr Huber, and read his papers for a start. Also, read on the design of the McIntosh C-8, which was one of the first variable record equalizer available in the market. Today, KAB Acoustics makes some affordable units that help tackle this problems as well. Make some thing to drink for yourself, and two ice-teas which is Kermit's favorite drink. Put the second one in the fridge is his listening room, and have a good talk with him - he is a very knowledgeable guy who sometimes hasn't a clue why he is doing what he is doing. Just like Sony. Bala ________________________________ From: Julie Kessler To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sun, June 5, 2011 7:28:56 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving Hi, I have a question about this for all of you. I know what the guys here in the studio say on the topic, but I just wanted some of you guys' thoughts. As I understand it, FM Acoustics "linearization" is really just variable EQ, which is a great thing (one of our phono preamps has variable EQ & the other has 12 EQ curves with a program EQ to compensate). So the idea is to get the EQ as close to perfect, while correcting for record wear, deviations from the standard EQ during cutting and the influence of cartridge frequency response on playback EQ accuracy (the cartridge's frequency response will cause the playback to differ from textbook perfect EQ, right?). I have learned that altering the record's reproduce EQ sounds really different than trying to use tone controls to correct. It sounds better, I think. So here's my questions: 1. Sometimes a record mastering engineer tweaks the record EQ as a way of correcting for something in the record and/or just because he/she thinks it sounds better. So why should we be undoing what the mastering engineer did, unless the answer is we like the sound better. 2. Unless you're correcting by ear, how can you know what the deviation from textbook playback EQ is, plus deviations made by the mastering engineer,, plus changes caused by record wear and all the other things? Even if you have the precise calibration standard used by the studio that cut the original record master, there's really no way to know for sure. So you really have to do this all by ear, right? So then you can run into the trap of also EQing for your speakers, your cartridge, your own listening tastes., the room sound and a whole bunch of other things. I've been having the most problems learning how to get EQ right, there seems to be no absolute way to know what "correct" is unless you just make assumptions or have a whole bunch of calibration things, and even then that strill seems like ust being arbitrary to me. Or am I just being way too blonde about all of this? On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Rick Hils wrote: Bala, >Thanks for telling me about Dr. Manuel Huber. He is, no doubt, a brilliant >engineer. I'll try using a variable EQ set at an octave width, a 5 db gain, and >sweep some freq. ranges. >And I'll try to find some of Dr. Huber's material. >-Regards, Rick > > >________________________________ Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 06:20:54 -0700 > >From: bg3009 at yahoo.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving >To: naktalk at naks.com > > >Hi Rick, > >I respect your way of doing things. I always felt similar until I attended a >talk by FM Acoustics' founder Dr. Huber who demonstrated to us the importance of >variable EQ. Even slight modulations in the standard RIAA curve, as you might >know, brings immense difference in the sound quality. Even 70s pop records that >sounded compressed sounded much livelier and bigger thanks to a more accurate >reproduction curve. Correct cart loading (which you have mentioned), and correct >record playback linearization are two things that are so important and yet >overlooked with such regularity listeners do not know what they are missing out. > > > >Regards, >Bala > > ________________________________ From: Rick Hils >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Sat, June 4, 2011 9:07:55 AM >Subject: RE: [naktalk] LP archiving > >Bala, >I don't have the knowledge to test and to, therefore, report any findings. I >will say that when I use my Shure V15 III cartridge with my Concept receiver, >the results are very good. The Concept receivers use a phono input impedance of >50k, which is appropriate for the Shure V15. As long as I am hearing enough >detail in the mid to upper mid-range, then I am happy. I'm not so concerned >about whether or not the low end goes down to 30 or 20 hz. > >As far as computer wave editing goes, I try to avoid tweaking the wav file too >much. I prefer to leave the phasing characteristics of the original unaltered. I >also feel that light surface noise from the original LP is better left alone. >Much better to hear it all than to muffle any of the highs. >-Regards, Rick > > >________________________________ Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 04:58:38 -0700 >From: bg3009 at yahoo.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving >To: naktalk at naks.com > > >Hi Rick, > >I suppose that term comes as a translation from the Swiss guys. I was asking >more specifically about how you control cartridge loading and playback curve of >the records you transcribe. > > >Bala > > "What You didn't see, you didn't know" > > > > ________________________________ From: Rick Hils >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Fri, June 3, 2011 5:21:06 AM >Subject: RE: [naktalk] LP archiving > >Bala, >You ask what type of "phono linearization" do I use? Well, that could cover lots >of things starting from the tone arm tracking and then on to the RIAA phono eq >fidelity in my Concept receiver and then on to the impedance match between the >receiver outputs and the E-MU A/D converter inputs. To be fair, I haven't >checked the linearity of my RCA phono cables lately so that might be what you >are asking about. I don't know. The anti-skate on my tone arm may be set a >quarter of a gram off. >But the art of vinyl record reproduction has and always will be a compromise of >imperfections. We all make reasonable attempts to achieve the best sound, and >that means to our own ears as well as what the test equipment shows. For me, the >two most important issues are the musicality of the phono cartridge and the >clear sound of the playback speakers. What counts is that we get enjoyment from >listening. > >Regards- Rick > >________________________________ Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 07:33:43 -0700 >From: bg3009 at yahoo.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving >To: naktalk at naks.com > > >Hi Rick, > >What type of phono linearization do you use? > >Regards, >Bala > > > > ________________________________ From: Rick Hils >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 12:14:48 PM >Subject: RE: [naktalk] LP archiving > >If you want, give them my name. I can make very nice transfers. I use a Thorens >TD 145 with Shure V15 III and I also have a Lenco heavy platter table than has >infinite speed adjust from 16 rpm to 78 rpm. I can either go straight into my >E-MU 96/24 convertor or first into my Nak BX-300 and then to the DAC. >The situation is that I am close to the 91601 zip code (Los Angeles area) and >can possibly pick up the records myself. I would do one record side to see if >it meets with your friends needs. >Rick >email: rhils at hotmail.com > >> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 14:11:31 -0700 >> From: fripp_em at yahoo.com >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving >> >> I seem to remember there was someone on naktalk (West of the Mississippi) who >>did professional transfers of cassette and LP collections to digital? I can't >>remember who that was but I know someone who wants to do this with a large >>collection of LPs (I guess some are rare). If it was one or two records I'd >>consider it, but it's not my career:-) Anyone remember who that was? >> >> >> Thanks, >> David >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Also check out the wiki! >http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.commailinglist Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Also check out the wiki! >http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! 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Best, Fred Fred Longworth MBA, CHMM Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F San Diego, CA 92116 (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 Fax: (619) 282-7872 classicaudiorepair at gmail.com stereo1 at cox.net www.repairaudio.com On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 7:46 PM, Julie Kessler < juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com> wrote: > Hello All, > > I'm getting ready to buy my second cassette deck and need some advice. I > love my Nakamichi 550, but tapes I make on it don't sound right on my > friends' cassettes, because Nakamichi 550's don't use the same EQ as other > brands (do I have that right?). So, all I can do if I want to share is have > my friends bring their recorder by and copy to their cassette. Right now I'm > borrowing a friend's Pioneer CT-F1000, and it's actually pretty good but not > as detailed as my Nakamichi 550 > > So here's my questions: > > Which Nakamichi's have the same EQ as everyone else, or all they all > non-standard? IF one of the Nakamichi's have standard EQ, which is the most > neutral sounding? I'd like to match the "feel" of the sound of my Revox A77 > Mk. III Dolby as close as possible, if that makes any sense. > > If no Nakamichi has standard EQ, then I'm trying to decide between these > cassette decks -- Revox B710 Mk. II, Tandberg TCD-440, or Bang & Olufsen > 9000 (I know where I can get a B&O 9000 really cheap, about the same cost as > a pair of Flip-Flops). > > Thanks for all your advice! > > -- Julie Kessler > juliek at kvglabs.com > Artist Development Executive > KVG Laboratories > I Found The Sound! 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URL: From ct.waveform at googlemail.com Sat Jun 4 23:08:38 2011 From: ct.waveform at googlemail.com (Christian Thomas) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 22:08:38 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving In-Reply-To: References: <272692.69932.qm@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <539442.97382.qm@web160619.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <106824.92525.qm@web160603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <483776.35120.qm@web160608.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Since you are all filling up my phone with this, I too would be very interested in having some links to his work. C On Jun 4, 2011 9:44 PM, "Rick Hils" wrote: > > Bala, > Thanks for telling me about Dr. Manuel Huber. He is, no doubt, a brilliant engineer. I'll try using a variable EQ set at an octave width, a 5 db gain, and sweep some freq. ranges. > And I'll try to find some of Dr. Huber's material. > -Regards, Rick > > > Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 06:20:54 -0700 > From: bg3009 at yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Hi Rick, > > I respect your way of doing things. I always felt similar until I attended a talk by FM Acoustics' founder Dr. Huber who demonstrated to us the importance of variable EQ. Even slight modulations in the standard RIAA curve, as you might know, brings immense difference in the sound quality. Even 70s pop records that sounded compressed sounded much livelier and bigger thanks to a more accurate reproduction curve. Correct cart loading (which you have mentioned), and correct record playback linearization are two things that are so important and yet overlooked with such regularity listeners do not know what they are missing out. > > Regards, > Bala > From: Rick Hils > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Sat, June 4, 2011 9:07:55 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] LP archiving > > > > > > > Bala, > I don't have the knowledge to test and to, therefore, report any findings. I will say that when I use my Shure V15 III cartridge with my Concept receiver, the results are very good. The Concept receivers use a phono input impedance of 50k, which is appropriate for the Shure V15. As long as I am hearing enough detail in the mid to upper mid-range, then I am happy. I'm not so concerned about whether or not the low end goes down to 30 or 20 hz. > As far as computer wave editing goes, I try to avoid tweaking the wav file too much. I prefer to leave the phasing characteristics of the original unaltered. I also feel that light surface noise from the original LP is better left alone. Much better to hear it all than to muffle any of the highs. > -Regards, Rick > > > Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 04:58:38 -0700 > From: bg3009 at yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Hi Rick, > > I suppose that term comes as a translation from the Swiss guys. I was asking more specifically about how you control cartridge loading and playback curve of the records you transcribe. > > Bala > > "What You didn't see, you didn't know" > > From: Rick Hils > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Fri, June 3, 2011 5:21:06 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] LP > archiving > > > > > > > Bala, > You ask what type of "phono linearization" do I use? Well, that could cover lots of things starting from the tone arm tracking and then on to the RIAA phono eq fidelity in my Concept receiver and then on to the impedance match between the receiver outputs and the E-MU A/D converter inputs. To be fair, I haven't checked the linearity of my RCA phono cables lately so that might be what you are asking about. I don't know. The anti-skate on my tone arm may be set a quarter of a gram off. > But the art of vinyl record reproduction has and always will be a compromise of imperfections. We all make reasonable attempts to achieve the best sound, and that means to our own ears as well as what the test equipment shows. For me, the two most important issues are the musicality of the phono cartridge and the clear sound of the playback speakers. What counts is that we get enjoyment from listening. > Regards- Rick > > Date: Thu, 2 > Jun 2011 07:33:43 -0700 > From: bg3009 at yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Hi Rick, > > What type of phono linearization do you use? > > Regards, > Bala > > From: Rick Hils > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 12:14:48 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] LP archiving > > > > > > > If you want, give them my name. I can make very nice transfers. I use a > Thorens TD 145 with Shure V15 III and I also have a Lenco heavy platter > table than has infinite speed adjust from 16 rpm to 78 rpm. I can either > go straight into my E-MU 96/24 convertor or first into my Nak BX-300 > and then to the DAC. > The situation is that I am close to the 91601 > zip code (Los Angeles area) and can possibly pick up the records myself. > I would do one record side to see if it meets with your friends needs. > Rick > email: rhils at hotmail.com > >> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 14:11:31 -0700 >> From: fripp_em at yahoo.com >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving >> >> I seem to remember there was someone on naktalk (West of the Mississippi) who did professional transfers of cassette and LP collections to digital? I can't remember who that was but I know someone who wants to do this with a large collection of LPs (I guess some are rare). 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URL: From tim.skorick at gmail.com Sat Jun 4 23:33:02 2011 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 16:33:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving In-Reply-To: <240403.98509.qm@web160613.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <272692.69932.qm@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <530049.21163.qm@web160616.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <688087.2631.qm@web160611.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <240403.98509.qm@web160613.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bala, I also don't mess much with the noise removal except in extreme cases with spoken word pieces - I can't seem to tune the attack time correctly I think. I make excessive use of the frequency equalizer and have a number of pre-sets saved depending on the source type. I've found that the increase and decrease amplitude filters work well for pop and click minimization wherever its an issue, but I use it pretty sparingly. Something I like to do to cheat old mono recordings into a fuller sound is to copy and paste the entire mono track into a separate track, pan the first all the way left and the second all the way right, and the throw the right just *barely* out of phase :-) its an old trick but works great. -Tim On Jun 3, 2011 7:59 AM, "Bala Ganesh Chandra" wrote: Hi Tim, Audacity is indeed a powerful tool and I have never felt the need for additional features for what I use it for. For tapes, it really depends on the source. A portion of the tapes were from my Dad which were 78s recorded using RIAA standard curves! Also, there was a bit of compression imparted by the substandard electronics. I tweak the eq curves guided by the Spectrum Plotter ( Analyze -> Plot Spectrum) tool to guide sometimes. The Noise Removal and other filters work but seem to leave a cold sound (or is it just me?). What about you Tim? 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URL: From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Sun Jun 5 00:52:39 2011 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2011 00:52:39 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving In-Reply-To: References: <192490.46848.qm@web130106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, <248438.87309.qm@web161916.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 3 Jun 2011 06:18:00 -0400, "Beckner, Derrick" wrote: >When you start getting into 24/48 and better recordings there is very little difference. Especially with LPs off a good TT to a good sound card. I've started buying 24/96 and 24/192 downloads from HD Tracks, and with $200 in hard ware: a 1TB USB 3.0 harddrive and a $99 WD Media player, you get unbelievable sound. Try doing a frequency analysis of the different tracks. you'd be surprised how many recordings do not have much exnteded frequency content. And some have been artficially upsampled so the original sound was cut off lower than higher sampling would allow for. Until I get confirmation that a track really has frequencies at 88KHz I am not buying a 192KHz recording at $30 when I can get 96KHz for $20. I know hdtracks.com are less critical of their content, but at the same time they have thier material from the widest sources so they ought to screen everything they get and not charge for upsampled stuff just to offer something in higher bitrate. -Mikkel From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Sun Jun 5 01:11:12 2011 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2011 01:11:12 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: LP archiving In-Reply-To: <89859.97305.qm@web160604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40338E0F8@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br> <258301.23131.qm@web160608.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40338E10F@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br> <89859.97305.qm@web160604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 3 Jun 2011 20:16:30 -0700 (PDT), Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >No problem Rodrigo, > >I keep Audacity as a means of recording to digital and try to do as little >correction as possible using the software. Usually, its amazing how much >fidelity we can get from our tapes from even the more 'common' decks. If the >sound is badly distorted, or too muffled or mangled, no amount of software can >put it back. Hence, it is very important to get the source (be it tapes or LP) >set up as best as possible. Muffled sound from cassette tapes are commonly due to these few anomalies: 1. Azimuth. 2. Tape to head contact. 3. Cassette is imperfect and / or tape rides erratic through tape path. 4. Flaws on the tape. Re 1: Manually adjust for the brightest sound or use a deck that handles this on the fly. The latter is the best. especially with taopes that were recorded on several times with varying azimuth every time. Re 2: Either the tiny felt pad is misaligned or is dragging on the tape, or is missing because the glue dried out. In either case a quick solve is to use a deck with dual capstans. The tape will be stretched over the head bypassing the problematic (or missing) felt pad. If the pad still drags on the tape, just wind the tape to nearest end and pull the leader out of the way, use pliers and grab the pad and pull it off. Please use tools wo magnetic build-up or demag your tools before you start horsing around with audio gear. Re 3: Put the tape into a good cassette mechanism, by TDK or BASF. Notes some tapes are damages and have warped sideways, they will require both a good cassette shell, and dual capstans. Re 4: Find another specimen. Ask friends, collegues, old classmates. Or go to fleamarkets or search online. Perhaps you can get aa less problematic issue, like a mint vinyl still shrink wrapped issue. -Mikkel From emberphoto at hotmail.com Sun Jun 5 05:57:42 2011 From: emberphoto at hotmail.com (Steve Ember) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 23:57:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving In-Reply-To: References: <272692.69932.qm@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, , <539442.97382.qm@web160619.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, , <106824.92525.qm@web160603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, , <483776.35120.qm@web160608.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, , Message-ID: Hi Julie, If that is "being blonde," well, then, vive la blonde! No, it is Julie being healthily inquisitive, and it is embodiment of the age-old quandary audiophiles have faced: Do I want it pure, absolute, etc...(these are the folks who deplore the very existence of tone controls on a preamp, even if they can be switched out of the signal path) Or something along the lines of "If I want silkier strings than the producer and recording engineer decided on, well, by gum, it's my money, my phono cartridge, my speakers, my living room...Oh, yes, and my EARS, and I'll have those silkier strings, thank you very much. I remember interviewing Tomlinson Holman at the Chicago Consumer Electronics Show sometime in the '80s, when his APT/Holman Preamp was attracting attention as a desirable audiophile product, especially as regards its phono stage. His tone controls were very well thought out, and yes, there was a bypass switch, but we got into all the purist "stuff" about tone controls being evil (or not). As I recall, he said something to the effect he learned some valuable wisdom from his mother. If she wanted more bass or treble, or both, well by golly, it was her machine to do with as she wished. One can get so wrapped around the axle seeking "absolute" sound...but is it necessarily more pleasing??? Or engage in unending debate over whether a Dragon sounds better than a classic Nak. It gets really axle wrapping when such comparisons are attempted when one has no idea what flippin' machine the tape was recorded on and how accurately said machine was it set up for Rec/PB response, levels, azimuth, Dolby tracking... Precision and elusive perfection are certainly noble goals if one has the time and money, but let's not forget to enjoy the music. We paid our precious funds for the privilege, whether analog or demon-digital, cassette or vinyl. Let's delight our ears and our musical sensibilities. Taken from that perspective, it would seem somewhat counterproductive to seek that absolute Holy Grail when there are so many variables we could not possibly be privy to...like f'rinstance, what were the monitoring speakers at the mastering session...were they driven by tube or solid state amps...and when did the mastering engineer last have his/her hearing checked for linearity? Precision and elusive perfection are certainly noble goals if one has the time and mone Steve Ember Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 16:28:56 -0500 Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving From: juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Hi, I have a question about this for all of you. I know what the guys here in the studio say on the topic, but I just wanted some of you guys' thoughts. As I understand it, FM Acoustics "linearization" is really just variable EQ, which is a great thing (one of our phono preamps has variable EQ & the other has 12 EQ curves with a program EQ to compensate). So the idea is to get the EQ as close to perfect, while correcting for record wear, deviations from the standard EQ during cutting and the influence of cartridge frequency response on playback EQ accuracy (the cartridge's frequency response will cause the playback to differ from textbook perfect EQ, right?). I have learned that altering the record's reproduce EQ sounds really different than trying to use tone controls to correct. It sounds better, I think. So here's my questions: 1. Sometimes a record mastering engineer tweaks the record EQ as a way of correcting for something in the record and/or just because he/she thinks it sounds better. So why should we be undoing what the mastering engineer did, unless the answer is we like the sound better. 2. Unless you're correcting by ear, how can you know what the deviation from textbook playback EQ is, plus deviations made by the mastering engineer,, plus changes caused by record wear and all the other things? Even if you have the precise calibration standard used by the studio that cut the original record master, there's really no way to know for sure. So you really have to do this all by ear, right? So then you can run into the trap of also EQing for your speakers, your cartridge, your own listening tastes., the room sound and a whole bunch of other things. I've been having the most problems learning how to get EQ right, there seems to be no absolute way to know what "correct" is unless you just make assumptions or have a whole bunch of calibration things, and even then that strill seems like ust being arbitrary to me. Or am I just being way too blonde about all of this? On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Rick Hils wrote: Bala, Thanks for telling me about Dr. Manuel Huber. He is, no doubt, a brilliant engineer. I'll try using a variable EQ set at an octave width, a 5 db gain, and sweep some freq. ranges. And I'll try to find some of Dr. Huber's material. -Regards, Rick Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 06:20:54 -0700 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving To: naktalk at naks.com Hi Rick, I respect your way of doing things. I always felt similar until I attended a talk by FM Acoustics' founder Dr. Huber who demonstrated to us the importance of variable EQ. Even slight modulations in the standard RIAA curve, as you might know, brings immense difference in the sound quality. Even 70s pop records that sounded compressed sounded much livelier and bigger thanks to a more accurate reproduction curve. Correct cart loading (which you have mentioned), and correct record playback linearization are two things that are so important and yet overlooked with such regularity listeners do not know what they are missing out. Regards, Bala From: Rick Hils To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sat, June 4, 2011 9:07:55 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] LP archiving Bala, I don't have the knowledge to test and to, therefore, report any findings. I will say that when I use my Shure V15 III cartridge with my Concept receiver, the results are very good. The Concept receivers use a phono input impedance of 50k, which is appropriate for the Shure V15. As long as I am hearing enough detail in the mid to upper mid-range, then I am happy. I'm not so concerned about whether or not the low end goes down to 30 or 20 hz. As far as computer wave editing goes, I try to avoid tweaking the wav file too much. I prefer to leave the phasing characteristics of the original unaltered. I also feel that light surface noise from the original LP is better left alone. Much better to hear it all than to muffle any of the highs. -Regards, Rick Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 04:58:38 -0700 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving To: naktalk at naks.com Hi Rick, I suppose that term comes as a translation from the Swiss guys. I was asking more specifically about how you control cartridge loading and playback curve of the records you transcribe. Bala "What You didn't see, you didn't know" From: Rick Hils To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Fri, June 3, 2011 5:21:06 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] LP archiving Bala, You ask what type of "phono linearization" do I use? Well, that could cover lots of things starting from the tone arm tracking and then on to the RIAA phono eq fidelity in my Concept receiver and then on to the impedance match between the receiver outputs and the E-MU A/D converter inputs. To be fair, I haven't checked the linearity of my RCA phono cables lately so that might be what you are asking about. I don't know. The anti-skate on my tone arm may be set a quarter of a gram off. But the art of vinyl record reproduction has and always will be a compromise of imperfections. We all make reasonable attempts to achieve the best sound, and that means to our own ears as well as what the test equipment shows. For me, the two most important issues are the musicality of the phono cartridge and the clear sound of the playback speakers. What counts is that we get enjoyment from listening. Regards- Rick Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 07:33:43 -0700 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving To: naktalk at naks.com Hi Rick, What type of phono linearization do you use? Regards, Bala From: Rick Hils To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 12:14:48 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] LP archiving If you want, give them my name. I can make very nice transfers. I use a Thorens TD 145 with Shure V15 III and I also have a Lenco heavy platter table than has infinite speed adjust from 16 rpm to 78 rpm. I can either go straight into my E-MU 96/24 convertor or first into my Nak BX-300 and then to the DAC. The situation is that I am close to the 91601 zip code (Los Angeles area) and can possibly pick up the records myself. I would do one record side to see if it meets with your friends needs. Rick email: rhils at hotmail.com > Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 14:11:31 -0700 > From: fripp_em at yahoo.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving > > I seem to remember there was someone on naktalk (West of the Mississippi) who did professional transfers of cassette and LP collections to digital? I can't remember who that was but I know someone who wants to do this with a large collection of LPs (I guess some are rare). If it was one or two records I'd consider it, but it's not my career:-) Anyone remember who that was? > > Thanks, > David > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! 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Prerecorded tape from Sony HXPRO period: Sound good on classic, sounds great on post classic naks like the BX-300. I think we are getting in to the genius of the circuitry in the classic design to get the absolute best out of a crappy medium. The Nak engineers were geniuses. Cassette tape is just a crappy recording medium that Nakamichi engineers milked the most out of in any period. There is just so much magnetic material to work with in that tiny sliver of tape.... I find that making a tape on my Denon DR-800A will sound better played back on the tape player in my Dad's sort of new Ford Taurus tape deck than any tape recorded on a classic Nak will. I'm sure recording engineers could probably do better than me on this though. Try a BX-300 for making tapes for your friends (I also think the CR-4 sounds excellent with newer prerecorded tapes and should also do better with your friend's tape players). I'll leave it to you to ponder that:-) David --- On Sat, 6/4/11, Julie Kessler wrote: Hello All, I'm getting ready to buy my second cassette deck and need some advice. I love my Nakamichi 550, but tapes I make on it don't sound right on my friends' cassettes, because Nakamichi 550's don't use the same EQ as other brands (do I have that right?). So, all I can do if I want to share is have my friends bring their recorder by and copy to their cassette. Right now I'm borrowing a friend's Pioneer CT-F1000, and it's actually pretty good but not as detailed as my Nakamichi 550 So here's my questions: Which Nakamichi's have the same EQ as everyone else, or all they all non-standard? IF one of the Nakamichi's have standard EQ, which is the most neutral sounding? I'd like to match the "feel" of the sound of my Revox A77 Mk. III Dolby as close as possible, if that makes any sense. If no Nakamichi has standard EQ, then I'm trying to decide between these cassette decks -- Revox B710 Mk. II, Tandberg TCD-440, or Bang & Olufsen 9000 (I know where I can get a B&O 9000 really cheap, about the same cost as a pair of Flip-Flops). Thanks for all your advice! From adrian at mechner.net Sun Jun 5 08:17:51 2011 From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 23:17:51 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck advice sought. In-Reply-To: <365095.16113.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <365095.16113.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <037d01cc2348$4d402a50$e7c07ef0$@net> Hi! I would say you should perform a calibration first of all. These decks have some mileage and you can't tell for sure how well your own is calibrated, but those of your friends. I recently sold on epay a new never used JVC DD7. I only broke the factory seal to make sure it's not clogged and it's still going to start after 30 years of sitting in the sealed box. I was amazed by four things: 1. The sound was nicer in terms of high end ears (mines). I was able to distinguish in a more clear way each and every instrument. Well it sounded better to make it short. 2. It was factory calibrated because it was new so I could see how good my Naks are calibrated and I had a huge surprise: Both are perfect. 3. The MR2 I got from a local radio station was barely used (is still like new) was expected to be in a perfect balance but I didn't expect the CR3A to be there too. 4. The fact that Nak recorded tapes sound perfect on other decks and also the JVC 5 min record I performed for testing was mint on both Naks. Go from here and first step would be calibration before spending on other troubled gear. Take care and have fun! Adrian P.S. The JVS DD7 I sold can be seen here: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=280686652082&ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of LENA WONG Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 8:31 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette deck advice sought. Hi Julie: For non-Nakamichi Decks, the Revox B710 MK-II is a nice recording deck but the playback is not that good. The Tandberg TCD-440 has record head Azimuth Adjustment Control just like some Naks and it has very sweet sound but it broke down a lot. Lately the power supply capacitors blown and needed to be fixed. The B&O Becord 9000 has unusual features in the auto-tape calibration area ( Bias, Equalization, Sensistivity and Distortion Level ) and it is a nice sounding deck but its built quality is not as high as others. The Distortion Level in the tape calibration procedure is pretty unique. The meters seem flimsy and over-simplify but it does the job it supposes to do. It is a single-motor/capstan transport but its W&F level is very low. I own all three decks and from the reliability point of view I would pick the Revox. Based on my past listening experience on these three decks all three are fine recording decks but finding a properly serviced Beocord 9000 will be tough. Tandberg can still be serviced without costing you a fortune. The above is just my own opinion and it only represents mine. Hope this help. Good Listening, Mike _____ From: Julie Kessler To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sat, June 4, 2011 9:46:19 PM Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck advice sought. Hello All, I'm getting ready to buy my second cassette deck and need some advice. I love my Nakamichi 550, but tapes I make on it don't sound right on my friends' cassettes, because Nakamichi 550's don't use the same EQ as other brands (do I have that right?). So, all I can do if I want to share is have my friends bring their recorder by and copy to their cassette. Right now I'm borrowing a friend's Pioneer CT-F1000, and it's actually pretty good but not as detailed as my Nakamichi 550 So here's my questions: Which Nakamichi's have the same EQ as everyone else, or all they all non-standard? IF one of the Nakamichi's have standard EQ, which is the most neutral sounding? I'd like to match the "feel" of the sound of my Revox A77 Mk. III Dolby as close as possible, if that makes any sense. If no Nakamichi has standard EQ, then I'm trying to decide between these cassette decks -- Revox B710 Mk. II, Tandberg TCD-440, or Bang & Olufsen 9000 (I know where I can get a B&O 9000 really cheap, about the same cost as a pair of Flip-Flops). Thanks for all your advice! -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered http://www.kvglabs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Sun Jun 5 16:22:15 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 07:22:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck advice sought. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <13365.80378.qm@web130105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I believe Nakamichi made some MR-1s to match the standard IEC equalization curve (MR-1B). I also believe these were not clearly marked as such and therefore, may be difficult to identify. Also, CR-7s that have the EQ mod installed produce very nice sounding tapes that sound just fine on non-Nak (but quality) decks. I am not sure they actually follow the standard curve, though. As a side note: I am very happy with my CR-7 and have no hesitation generally (not just this issue) recommending this model. However, be aware that to contain the EQ mod, a deck should either be a late production unit or have been modified to include it. -- Ron --- On Sat, 6/4/11, Julie Kessler wrote: From: Julie Kessler Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck advice sought. To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Saturday, June 4, 2011, 10:46 PM Hello All, I'm getting ready to buy my second cassette deck and need some advice. I love my Nakamichi 550, but tapes I make on it don't sound right on my friends' cassettes, because Nakamichi 550's don't use the same EQ as other brands (do I have that right?). So, all I can do if I want to share is have my friends bring their recorder by and copy to their cassette. Right now I'm borrowing a friend's Pioneer CT-F1000, and it's actually pretty good but not as detailed as my Nakamichi 550 So here's my questions: Which Nakamichi's have the same EQ as everyone else, or all they all non-standard? IF one of the Nakamichi's have standard EQ, which is the most neutral sounding? I'd like to match the "feel" of the sound of my Revox A77 Mk. III Dolby as close as possible, if that makes any sense. If no Nakamichi has standard EQ, then I'm trying to decide between these cassette decks -- Revox B710 Mk. II, Tandberg TCD-440, or Bang & Olufsen 9000 (I know where I can get a B&O 9000 really cheap, about the same cost as a pair of Flip-Flops). Thanks for all your advice! -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! 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URL: From juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com Sun Jun 5 20:18:41 2011 From: juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com (Julie Kessler) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 13:18:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] LP arcaico In-Reply-To: <874940.97038.qm@web160601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <530049.21163.qm@web160616.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40338E0F8@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br> <514037.18583.qm@web160611.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <54853.318.qm@web160617.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <874940.97038.qm@web160601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'm rolling my eyes, Bala. Oh brother, why do you have to have such an attitude? By the way, that's all I see out of you and everyone else is "words words words" but so what? I don't appreciate you implying that I'm a liar. You're really out of line. You don't work here, but I do, so you truly don't know what you're talking about. I always appreciate new and different opinions, but I think the group is best served if you keep your innuendos and character besmirching to yourself and speak on what you actually have firsthand knowledge about. Sorry to be snippy, but really, who do you think you are making statements like that about a business you know nothing about and about situations you know nothing about? I've noticed this is a growing trend on Internet forums -- people makig blanket condemnations or criticisms about things they haven't seen or heard. I think it's just that some people think they way they can live people up is by tearing someone else down. I hope you're not that petty, but so far from what you're showing me about yourself.... On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 10:13 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hmm..seeing is believing. So far none of us has seen anything except words, > words and more words. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Julie Kessler > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Sun, June 5, 2011 5:28:13 AM > > *Subject:* Re: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico > > Bala, > > Kermit hired some programmers to write the custom software for us. I > imagine it was expensive but I don't know, and I can't say about how the > software works, but it's pretty amazing to watch. Yes indeed, the boss is > loaded because the business has been really successful the last year or so. > It's inspiring to me to see how hard work and out-of-the-box ideas can pay > off, and how old gear like Nakamichi cassettes can still be really useful in > a modern studio. From what everyone's been telling me, the secret to > Kermit's success has always been having unique, custom made equipment, > including software. This is such a great place to work! > > You sneak in a Wilson Benesch Full Circle when the boss is out of the > building all day long to a NASCAR event with friends. > > On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 8:13 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > >> A custom program that 'declicks, denoises, EQ and Dyanamic processing'? >> That usually stuff that's subject of phsycho-acoustics and patented >> algorithms. Either you are kidding us or your boss is loaded! How do you >> 'sneak' in a WB Full Circle? >> >> Bala >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Julie Kessler >> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> *Sent:* Sat, June 4, 2011 9:15:57 AM >> >> *Subject:* Re: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico >> >> Hi! >> >> That's a great answer. I guess I was being literal and answering how to >> transfer LPs with Audacity. We have Audacity, but it's only used for >> training purposes, the software we actually use to make digital archive >> recordings is custom-programmed and it declicks, denoises, applies EQ and >> dynamics processing, various enhancers and then splits the LP into separate >> song tracks all in one pass so it's really efficient; with all the records >> we archive we wouldn't get anything done with Audacity or typical software. >> >> >> Kermit, Dave and Paul try to do as much EQ, click and denoising with >> hardware instead of software. We have two hardware declickers and five >> hardware denoisers and our preamp can EQ any record ever made correctly and >> compensate for wear and non-standard EQ curves. That way the software >> doesn't have much to do. You're really right about cleaning first, and the >> guys use the VPI machine to clean the record as good as possible. As far as >> styli, Kermit has a place in England make us a set of 30 different styli >> with all sorts of different sizes and shapes to fit the groove as good as >> can be to reduce noise and wear for the Stanton 681EEE to play 78's right >> and 5 different styli for LP's and 45's that fit the Ortofon VMS-20 + 2 >> custom styli for the Shure V-15 Type III which is Kermit's favorite. The >> turntable we use has a straightline tonearm and it moves like the original >> cutter did; all three guys modified the turntable to the max and I bet >> Rabco/Harmon-Kardon wouldn't recognize its insides. >> >> I can always tell which of the guys did the re-recordig job. Paul tends to >> use nothing but the hardware and won't use any software processing, and >> he'll sweat bullts getting the settings right. Kermit uses both software and >> hardware and tends to process very little, just the really bad pops and >> noise, but he gets really into the EQ and often uses dynamic range expanders >> to undo overcompression, which I think is his pet peeve. Dave just goes all >> hog wild and kills all the pops and ticks and noise and just like gets every >> processor to the max -- and I swear, by the time he's done he's made the LP >> sound like a CD (I think he goes overboard with it all). I >> >> t's really fun as an intern for me to watch the 3 of them get into >> arguments over how much processing a record needs. It's culture clash set to >> music. You have Kermit with his 1970's studio thing, then Paul is all into >> (how to say it?) "phono culture". Paul learned audio in the late 1980's and >> I've caught him sneaking his Wilson Benesch Full Circle turntable in and >> using it instead of our modifed Rabco. Dave's the youngest, he was trained >> in 2001 at a ProTools studio and just wants to process everything to be as >> noiseless as can be. The 3 guys never agree on anything to do with >> turntables and records but it's really coo that they get along like >> brothers! This really, really, isn't a boring place to work! >> >> >> My turntable has a Rek-O-Kut Micropoise tonearm that Paul modified, and I >> have one of Kermit's modified Shure V-15 Type IV cartridges. Awesome sound. >> >> On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 6:56 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >> >>> I suppose he was asking about his oldies on tape. >>> >>> Having said that, click and noise removal is something best done at the >>> source level for records. Starting with a clean record,is an absolute >>> essential. A good high-end cartridge with a good stylus profile greatly >>> reduces noise and clicks by sitting well within the groove. Most earlier >>> cartridge profiles do not do this and are influenced by the surface >>> condition of the record. Surprisingly, the grooves rarely get damaged unless >>> the record is played with a chipped or worn stylus, or if the record has >>> bubbles or 'kink warps'. But I have seen good unipivot arms play warped >>> records pretty well. If they are still there, leave it. Trying to correct >>> clicks and pops ends rarely leaves the quality of the rest of the track >>> unmolested. >>> >>> With a good set-up, records that were thought to click and pop badly came >>> up absolutely quiet - so quiet you can hear the stop and start of the hiss >>> of the master tape in between tracks. Boxes, devices and kludges best remain >>> in museums. >>> >>> I envy you working for a great boss. >>> >>> Bala >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* Julie Kessler >>> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> *Sent:* Fri, June 3, 2011 12:31:27 PM >>> *Subject:* Re: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico >>> >>> Rodrigo, >>> >>> The procedure we use here goes like this: >>> >>> 1. Record the disc into the software. >>> 2. Next, choose "Click Removal." Highlight all of the audio file waveform >>> (i.e., "select the audio file" as a shorthand term for this) for >>> processing. The default setting works okay, but you may have to Undo and >>> retry a few times to get the best results. "Click removal" seems to work >>> best before EQing for the record characteristic EQ. >>> 3. If you don't have an equalized preamp, apply EQ using the software. >>> Select all of the audio file for processing. Audacity has several record EQs >>> listed under "Effect...Equalization." >>> 4. Choose whichever EQ matches the disc. You can tweak the EQ graphically >>> to correct for worn or off-standard discs. >>> 5. Next, choose "Noise Removal." Delesect the file. Select a small part >>> of the file where there is silence between tracks. Click "Get Noise >>> Profile." Now, select the whole audio file and choose "Noise Removal" again. >>> This time just click OK. The default setting works okay, but you may have to >>> Undo and retry a few times to get the best results. >>> 6. Now, listen to the whole audio file and when you get to silence >>> between tracks highlight the silence between tracks and choose "Insert >>> Silence." >>> 7. Finally, go back and "cut up" the file into separate tracks by >>> highlighting the waveform of the song and go to File..Export Selection." >>> Name the file accordingly and choose the appropriate file formats to match >>> what you want to do with the files. >>> >>> We recommend against using the Normalize or Compressor effects because >>> they can really hurt the sound of your transfer but you can use them if you >>> think they sound good, of course. >>> >>> I hope this helps! >>> >>> On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 7:11 AM, Rodrigo Krause >> > wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Bala, >>>> Would you mind sharing with us how you are doing this? I'm starting to >>>> look up how to put my wonderful "olies" ontape into digital. >>>> I'd much appreciate any inputs. >>>> Thank you in advance for any info you may share. >>>> Best regards, >>>> Rodrigo >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *De*: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >>>> *Para*: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> *Enviada em*: Wed Jun 01 22:38:15 2011 >>>> *Assunto*: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving >>>> >>>> I am archiving many old and rare tape recordings onto digital now. After >>>> much trials, I managed to get the right format and setup that gives ticks >>>> all the boxes in terms of a digital format. It is a tedious task, but one >>>> that may be very important for posterity. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Bala >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From:* fripp_em >>>> *To:* naktalk at naks.com >>>> *Sent:* Thu, June 2, 2011 7:11:31 AM >>>> *Subject:* [naktalk] LP archiving >>>> >>>> I seem to remember there was someone on naktalk (West of the >>>> Mississippi) who did professional transfers of cassette and LP collections >>>> to digital? I can't remember who that was but I know someone who wants to >>>> do this with a large collection of LPs (I guess some are rare). If it was >>>> one or two records I'd consider it, but it's not my career:-) Anyone >>>> remember who that was? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> David >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: >>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes privilegiadas e/ou >>>> de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem autorizacao do >>>> >>>> >>>> remetente. >>>> >>>> Portanto, se voce recebeu esta mensagem por engano, por favor, nos informe >>>> respondendo imediatamente a este e-mail e em seguida apague-a. >>>> >>>> A empresa MULTIPLAN nao se responsabiliza por conclusoes, opinioes, ou outras >>>> >>>> >>>> informacoes nesta mensagem que nao se relacionem com sua linha de negocios. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: >>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> -- Julie Kessler >>> juliek at kvglabs.com >>> Artist Development Executive >>> KVG Laboratories >>> I Found The Sound! 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URL: From juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com Sun Jun 5 20:34:06 2011 From: juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com (Julie Kessler) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 13:34:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving In-Reply-To: <71760.6539.qm@web160608.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <272692.69932.qm@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <539442.97382.qm@web160619.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <106824.92525.qm@web160603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <483776.35120.qm@web160608.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <71760.6539.qm@web160608.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Well, Bala, the answer to your questions is -- 1.) it's none of my business or yours whether he attends NASCAR races. 2.) I don't think he's posting much anywhere and I know he's working on some really cool prototypes on top of other things, so I think he probably chooses to spend his free time doing things offline to really get away from work and relax. Why don't you ask him why he's not posting anywhere? 3. I did indeed ask him the same questions, along with Paul and Dave, and got great answers. But I also asked here to get different perspectives and more info. By the way, the first variable record equalizers were made by Westrex, RCA, Fairchild, Presto, and others in the 1940's and 1950's; I've browsed our tech library a lot and found mention of variable record EQ as far back as 1927. Cool. One thing I've enjoyed working for Kermit is the "How It Was Done" lectures every other Friday where he leads us interns through one of his designs while building it all the while explaining all the decisions and criteria that went into the equipment's design, usually with a Nak 500 to make before/after comparison tapes for us to hear as a way of explaining things. In other words, he explains the whole design process from concept to final design, every step of the way. I wish you and everyone on the list should attend one of those demonstrations and lectures, it's awesome. (I've suggested making podcasts of these lectures.) So I don't know where you come up with the bizarre notion that either he or Sony don't know what they're doing. Man, he, Dave and Paul definitely know what they're doing! On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 10:36 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Julie, > > The question we all have for you is why Kermit, who is fit to attend Nascar > races, isn't posting on Naktalk. Where is he, and why is he not answering > your below questions? > > The answer to your questions would be to speak to Dr Huber, and read his > papers for a start. Also, read on the design of the McIntosh C-8, which was > one of the first variable record equalizer available in the market. Today, > KAB Acoustics makes some affordable units that help tackle this problems as > well. Make some thing to drink for yourself, and two ice-teas which is > Kermit's favorite drink. Put the second one in the fridge is his listening > room, and have a good talk with him - he is a very knowledgeable guy who > sometimes hasn't a clue why he is doing what he is doing. Just like Sony. > > Bala > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Julie Kessler > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Sun, June 5, 2011 7:28:56 AM > > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] LP archiving > > Hi, > > I have a question about this for all of you. I know what the guys here in > the studio say on the topic, but I just wanted some of you guys' thoughts. > As I understand it, FM Acoustics "linearization" is really just variable EQ, > which is a great thing (one of our phono preamps has variable EQ & the other > has 12 EQ curves with a program EQ to compensate). So the idea is to get the > EQ as close to perfect, while correcting for record wear, deviations from > the standard EQ during cutting and the influence of cartridge frequency > response on playback EQ accuracy (the cartridge's frequency response will > cause the playback to differ from textbook perfect EQ, right?). I have > learned that altering the record's reproduce EQ sounds really different than > trying to use tone controls to correct. It sounds better, I think. > > So here's my questions: > > 1. Sometimes a record mastering engineer tweaks the record EQ as a way of > correcting for something in the record and/or just because he/she thinks it > sounds better. So why should we be undoing what the mastering engineer did, > unless the answer is we like the sound better. > > 2. Unless you're correcting by ear, how can you know what the deviation > from textbook playback EQ is, plus deviations made by the mastering > engineer,, plus changes caused by record wear and all the other things? > Even if you have the precise calibration standard used by the studio that > cut the original record master, there's really no way to know for sure. So > you really have to do this all by ear, right? So then you can run into the > trap of also EQing for your speakers, your cartridge, your own listening > tastes., the room sound and a whole bunch of other things. > > I've been having the most problems learning how to get EQ right, there > seems to be no absolute way to know what "correct" is unless you just make > assumptions or have a whole bunch of calibration things, and even then that > strill seems like ust being arbitrary to me. > > Or am I just being way too blonde about all of this? > > On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Rick Hils wrote: > >> Bala, >> Thanks for telling me about Dr. Manuel Huber. He is, no doubt, a brilliant >> engineer. I'll try using a variable EQ set at an octave width, a 5 db gain, >> and sweep some freq. ranges. >> And I'll try to find some of Dr. Huber's material. >> -Regards, Rick >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 06:20:54 -0700 >> >> From: bg3009 at yahoo.com >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> >> Hi Rick, >> >> I respect your way of doing things. I always felt similar until I attended >> a talk by FM Acoustics' founder Dr. Huber who demonstrated to us the >> importance of variable EQ. Even slight modulations in the standard RIAA >> curve, as you might know, brings immense difference in the sound quality. >> Even 70s pop records that sounded compressed sounded much livelier and >> bigger thanks to a more accurate reproduction curve. Correct cart loading >> (which you have mentioned), and correct record playback linearization are >> two things that are so important and yet overlooked with such regularity >> listeners do not know what they are missing out. >> >> Regards, >> Bala >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Rick Hils >> *To:* naktalk at naks.com >> *Sent:* Sat, June 4, 2011 9:07:55 AM >> *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] LP archiving >> >> Bala, >> I don't have the knowledge to test and to, therefore, report any findings. >> I will say that when I use my Shure V15 III cartridge with my Concept >> receiver, the results are very good. The Concept receivers use a phono input >> impedance of 50k, which is appropriate for the Shure V15. As long as I am >> hearing enough detail in the mid to upper mid-range, then I am happy. I'm >> not so concerned about whether or not the low end goes down to 30 or 20 hz. >> As far as computer wave editing goes, I try to avoid tweaking the wav file >> too much. I prefer to leave the phasing characteristics of the original >> unaltered. I also feel that light surface noise from the original LP is >> better left alone. Much better to hear it all than to muffle any of the >> highs. >> -Regards, Rick >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 04:58:38 -0700 >> From: bg3009 at yahoo.com >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> >> Hi Rick, >> >> I suppose that term comes as a translation from the Swiss guys. I was >> asking more specifically about how you control cartridge loading and >> playback curve of the records you transcribe. >> >> Bala >> >> "What You didn't see, you didn't know" >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Rick Hils >> *To:* naktalk at naks.com >> *Sent:* Fri, June 3, 2011 5:21:06 AM >> *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] LP archiving >> >> Bala, >> You ask what type of "phono linearization" do I use? Well, that could >> cover lots of things starting from the tone arm tracking and then on to the >> RIAA phono eq fidelity in my Concept receiver and then on to the impedance >> match between the receiver outputs and the E-MU A/D converter inputs. To be >> fair, I haven't checked the linearity of my RCA phono cables lately so that >> might be what you are asking about. I don't know. The anti-skate on my tone >> arm may be set a quarter of a gram off. >> But the art of vinyl record reproduction has and always will be a >> compromise of imperfections. We all make reasonable attempts to achieve the >> best sound, and that means to our own ears as well as what the test >> equipment shows. For me, the two most important issues are the musicality of >> the phono cartridge and the clear sound of the playback speakers. What >> counts is that we get enjoyment from listening. >> Regards- Rick >> >> ------------------------------ >> Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 07:33:43 -0700 >> From: bg3009 at yahoo.com >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> >> Hi Rick, >> >> What type of phono linearization do you use? >> >> Regards, >> Bala >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Rick Hils >> *To:* naktalk at naks.com >> *Sent:* Thu, June 2, 2011 12:14:48 PM >> *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] LP archiving >> >> If you want, give them my name. I can make very nice transfers. I use a >> Thorens TD 145 with Shure V15 III and I also have a Lenco heavy platter >> table than has infinite speed adjust from 16 rpm to 78 rpm. I can either go >> straight into my E-MU 96/24 convertor or first into my Nak BX-300 and then >> to the DAC. >> The situation is that I am close to the 91601 zip code (Los Angeles area) >> and can possibly pick up the records myself. I would do one record side to >> see if it meets with your friends needs. >> Rick >> email: rhils at hotmail.com >> >> > Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 14:11:31 -0700 >> > From: fripp_em at yahoo.com >> > To: naktalk at naks.com >> > Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving >> > >> > I seem to remember there was someone on naktalk (West of the >> Mississippi) who did professional transfers of cassette and LP collections >> to digital? I can't remember who that was but I know someone who wants to do >> this with a large collection of LPs (I guess some are rare). If it was one >> or two records I'd consider it, but it's not my career:-) Anyone remember >> who that was? >> > >> > Thanks, >> > David >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> > Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! >> http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! >> http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > > -- > -- Julie Kessler > juliek at kvglabs.com > Artist Development Executive > KVG Laboratories > I Found The Sound! 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URL: From juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com Sun Jun 5 20:36:39 2011 From: juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com (Julie Kessler) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 13:36:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving In-Reply-To: References: <272692.69932.qm@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <539442.97382.qm@web160619.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <106824.92525.qm@web160603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <483776.35120.qm@web160608.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Steve, That's such a nice reply. Thank you! I guess I get too uptight trying too hard, but yes it should be about the joy of music! Thanks for bringing me back to reality! On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 10:57 PM, Steve Ember wrote: > Hi Julie, > > If that is "being blonde," well, then, *vive la blonde! > > *No, it is Julie being healthily inquisitive, and it is embodiment of the > age-old quandary audiophiles have faced: > > Do I want it pure, absolute, etc...(these are the folks who deplore the > very existence of tone controls on a preamp, even if they can be switched > out of the signal path) > > Or something along the lines of "If I want silkier strings than the > producer and recording engineer decided on, well, by gum, it's my money, my > phono cartridge, my speakers, my living room...Oh, yes, and *my* EARS, and > I'll have those silkier strings, thank you very much. > > I remember interviewing Tomlinson Holman at the Chicago Consumer > Electronics Show sometime in the '80s, when his APT/Holman Preamp was > attracting attention as a desirable audiophile product, especially as > regards its phono stage. His tone controls were very well thought out, and > yes, there was a bypass switch, but we got into all the purist "stuff" about > tone controls being evil (or not). As I recall, he said something to the > effect he learned some valuable wisdom from his mother. If she wanted more > bass or treble, or both, well by golly, it was her machine to do with as she > wished. > > One can get so wrapped around the axle seeking "absolute" sound...but is it > necessarily more pleasing??? Or engage in unending debate over whether a > Dragon sounds better than a classic Nak. It gets really axle wrapping when > such comparisons are attempted when one has no idea what flippin' machine > the tape was recorded on and how accurately said machine was it set up for > Rec/PB response, levels, azimuth, Dolby tracking... > > Precision and elusive perfection are certainly noble goals if one has the > time and money, but let's not forget to enjoy the music. We paid our > precious funds for the privilege, whether analog or demon-digital, cassette > or vinyl. Let's delight our ears and our musical sensibilities. Taken from > that perspective, it would seem somewhat counterproductive to seek that > absolute Holy Grail when there are *so many variables* we could not > possibly be privy to...like f'rinstance, what were the monitoring speakers > at the mastering session...were they driven by tube or solid state > amps...and when did the mastering engineer last have his/her *hearing*checked for linearity? Precision and elusive perfection are certainly noble > goals if one has the time and mone > > Steve Ember > > > ------------------------------ > Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 16:28:56 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving > From: juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Hi, > > I have a question about this for all of you. I know what the guys here in > the studio say on the topic, but I just wanted some of you guys' thoughts. > As I understand it, FM Acoustics "linearization" is really just variable EQ, > which is a great thing (one of our phono preamps has variable EQ & the other > has 12 EQ curves with a program EQ to compensate). So the idea is to get the > EQ as close to perfect, while correcting for record wear, deviations from > the standard EQ during cutting and the influence of cartridge frequency > response on playback EQ accuracy (the cartridge's frequency response will > cause the playback to differ from textbook perfect EQ, right?). I have > learned that altering the record's reproduce EQ sounds really different than > trying to use tone controls to correct. It sounds better, I think. > > So here's my questions: > > 1. Sometimes a record mastering engineer tweaks the record EQ as a way of > correcting for something in the record and/or just because he/she thinks it > sounds better. So why should we be undoing what the mastering engineer did, > unless the answer is we like the sound better. > > 2. Unless you're correcting by ear, how can you know what the deviation > from textbook playback EQ is, plus deviations made by the mastering > engineer,, plus changes caused by record wear and all the other things? > Even if you have the precise calibration standard used by the studio that > cut the original record master, there's really no way to know for sure. So > you really have to do this all by ear, right? So then you can run into the > trap of also EQing for your speakers, your cartridge, your own listening > tastes., the room sound and a whole bunch of other things. > > I've been having the most problems learning how to get EQ right, there > seems to be no absolute way to know what "correct" is unless you just make > assumptions or have a whole bunch of calibration things, and even then that > strill seems like ust being arbitrary to me. > > Or am I just being way too blonde about all of this? > > On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Rick Hils wrote: > > Bala, > Thanks for telling me about Dr. Manuel Huber. He is, no doubt, a brilliant > engineer. I'll try using a variable EQ set at an octave width, a 5 db gain, > and sweep some freq. ranges. > And I'll try to find some of Dr. Huber's material. > -Regards, Rick > > > ------------------------------ > Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 06:20:54 -0700 > > From: bg3009 at yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Hi Rick, > > I respect your way of doing things. I always felt similar until I attended > a talk by FM Acoustics' founder Dr. Huber who demonstrated to us the > importance of variable EQ. Even slight modulations in the standard RIAA > curve, as you might know, brings immense difference in the sound quality. > Even 70s pop records that sounded compressed sounded much livelier and > bigger thanks to a more accurate reproduction curve. Correct cart loading > (which you have mentioned), and correct record playback linearization are > two things that are so important and yet overlooked with such regularity > listeners do not know what they are missing out. > > Regards, > Bala > ------------------------------ > *From:* Rick Hils > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Sent:* Sat, June 4, 2011 9:07:55 AM > *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] LP archiving > > Bala, > I don't have the knowledge to test and to, therefore, report any findings. > I will say that when I use my Shure V15 III cartridge with my Concept > receiver, the results are very good. The Concept receivers use a phono input > impedance of 50k, which is appropriate for the Shure V15. As long as I am > hearing enough detail in the mid to upper mid-range, then I am happy. I'm > not so concerned about whether or not the low end goes down to 30 or 20 hz. > As far as computer wave editing goes, I try to avoid tweaking the wav file > too much. I prefer to leave the phasing characteristics of the original > unaltered. I also feel that light surface noise from the original LP is > better left alone. Much better to hear it all than to muffle any of the > highs. > -Regards, Rick > > > ------------------------------ > Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 04:58:38 -0700 > From: bg3009 at yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Hi Rick, > > I suppose that term comes as a translation from the Swiss guys. I was > asking more specifically about how you control cartridge loading and > playback curve of the records you transcribe. > > Bala > > "What You didn't see, you didn't know" > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Rick Hils > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Sent:* Fri, June 3, 2011 5:21:06 AM > *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] LP archiving > > Bala, > You ask what type of "phono linearization" do I use? Well, that could cover > lots of things starting from the tone arm tracking and then on to the RIAA > phono eq fidelity in my Concept receiver and then on to the impedance match > between the receiver outputs and the E-MU A/D converter inputs. To be fair, > I haven't checked the linearity of my RCA phono cables lately so that might > be what you are asking about. I don't know. The anti-skate on my tone arm > may be set a quarter of a gram off. > But the art of vinyl record reproduction has and always will be a > compromise of imperfections. We all make reasonable attempts to achieve the > best sound, and that means to our own ears as well as what the test > equipment shows. For me, the two most important issues are the musicality of > the phono cartridge and the clear sound of the playback speakers. What > counts is that we get enjoyment from listening. > Regards- Rick > > ------------------------------ > Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 07:33:43 -0700 > From: bg3009 at yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Hi Rick, > > What type of phono linearization do you use? > > Regards, > Bala > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Rick Hils > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Sent:* Thu, June 2, 2011 12:14:48 PM > *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] LP archiving > > If you want, give them my name. I can make very nice transfers. I use a > Thorens TD 145 with Shure V15 III and I also have a Lenco heavy platter > table than has infinite speed adjust from 16 rpm to 78 rpm. I can either go > straight into my E-MU 96/24 convertor or first into my Nak BX-300 and then > to the DAC. > The situation is that I am close to the 91601 zip code (Los Angeles area) > and can possibly pick up the records myself. I would do one record side to > see if it meets with your friends needs. > Rick > email: rhils at hotmail.com > > > Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 14:11:31 -0700 > > From: fripp_em at yahoo.com > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving > > > > I seem to remember there was someone on naktalk (West of the Mississippi) > who did professional transfers of cassette and LP collections to digital? I > can't remember who that was but I know someone who wants to do this with a > large collection of LPs (I guess some are rare). If it was one or two > records I'd consider it, but it's not my career:-) Anyone remember who that > was? > > > > Thanks, > > David > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! > http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! > http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > -- > -- Julie Kessler > juliek at kvglabs.com > Artist Development Executive > KVG Laboratories > I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered > http://www.kvglabs.com > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! 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Lately the power supply capacitors > blown and needed to be fixed. The B&O Becord 9000 has unusual features in > the auto-tape calibration area ( Bias, Equalization, Sensistivity and > Distortion Level ) and it is a nice sounding deck but its built quality is > not as high as others. The Distortion Level in the tape calibration > procedure is pretty unique. The meters seem flimsy and over-simplify but it > does the job it supposes to do. It is a single-motor/capstan transport but > its W&F level is very low. > > I own all three decks and from the reliability point of view > I would pick the Revox. Based on my past listening experience on these three > decks all three are fine recording decks but finding a properly serviced > Beocord 9000 will be tough. Tandberg can still be serviced without costing > you a fortune. > > The above is just my own opinion and it only represents mine. > Hope this help. > > > Good Listening, > Mike > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Julie Kessler > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Sat, June 4, 2011 9:46:19 PM > *Subject:* [naktalk] Cassette deck advice sought. > > Hello All, > > I'm getting ready to buy my second cassette deck and need some advice. I > love my Nakamichi 550, but tapes I make on it don't sound right on my > friends' cassettes, because Nakamichi 550's don't use the same EQ as other > brands (do I have that right?). So, all I can do if I want to share is have > my friends bring their recorder by and copy to their cassette. Right now I'm > borrowing a friend's Pioneer CT-F1000, and it's actually pretty good but not > as detailed as my Nakamichi 550 > > So here's my questions: > > Which Nakamichi's have the same EQ as everyone else, or all they all > non-standard? IF one of the Nakamichi's have standard EQ, which is the most > neutral sounding? I'd like to match the "feel" of the sound of my Revox A77 > Mk. III Dolby as close as possible, if that makes any sense. > > If no Nakamichi has standard EQ, then I'm trying to decide between these > cassette decks -- Revox B710 Mk. II, Tandberg TCD-440, or Bang & Olufsen > 9000 (I know where I can get a B&O 9000 really cheap, about the same cost as > a pair of Flip-Flops). > > Thanks for all your advice! > > -- Julie Kessler > juliek at kvglabs.com > Artist Development Executive > KVG Laboratories > I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered > http://www.kvglabs.com > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered http://www.kvglabs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com Sun Jun 5 20:41:08 2011 From: juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com (Julie Kessler) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 13:41:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck advice sought. In-Reply-To: <13365.80378.qm@web130105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <13365.80378.qm@web130105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Ron! Great comment. On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 9:22 AM, Ron wrote: > > I believe Nakamichi made some MR-1s to match the standard IEC > equalization curve (MR-1B). I also believe these were not clearly > marked as such and therefore, may be difficult to identify. > > Also, CR-7s that have the EQ mod installed produce very nice > sounding tapes that sound just fine on non-Nak (but quality) > decks. I am not sure they actually follow the standard curve, > though. As a side note: I am very happy with my CR-7 and have > no hesitation generally (not just this issue) recommending this > model. However, be aware that to contain the EQ mod, a deck > should either be a late production unit or have been modified to > include it. > > -- Ron > > > > > --- On *Sat, 6/4/11, Julie Kessler *wrote: > > > From: Julie Kessler > Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck advice sought. > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Saturday, June 4, 2011, 10:46 PM > > > Hello All, > > I'm getting ready to buy my second cassette deck and need some advice. I > love my Nakamichi 550, but tapes I make on it don't sound right on my > friends' cassettes, because Nakamichi 550's don't use the same EQ as other > brands (do I have that right?). So, all I can do if I want to share is have > my friends bring their recorder by and copy to their cassette. Right now I'm > borrowing a friend's Pioneer CT-F1000, and it's actually pretty good but not > as detailed as my Nakamichi 550 > > So here's my questions: > > Which Nakamichi's have the same EQ as everyone else, or all they all > non-standard? IF one of the Nakamichi's have standard EQ, which is the most > neutral sounding? I'd like to match the "feel" of the sound of my Revox A77 > Mk. III Dolby as close as possible, if that makes any sense. > > If no Nakamichi has standard EQ, then I'm trying to decide between these > cassette decks -- Revox B710 Mk. II, Tandberg TCD-440, or Bang & Olufsen > 9000 (I know where I can get a B&O 9000 really cheap, about the same cost as > a pair of Flip-Flops). > > Thanks for all your advice! > > -- Julie Kessler > juliek at kvglabs.com > Artist Development Executive > KVG Laboratories > I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered > http://www.kvglabs.com > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.commailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered http://www.kvglabs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com Sun Jun 5 20:42:02 2011 From: juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com (Julie Kessler) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 13:42:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck advice sought. In-Reply-To: <037d01cc2348$4d402a50$e7c07ef0$@net> References: <365095.16113.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <037d01cc2348$4d402a50$e7c07ef0$@net> Message-ID: Okay, so now I have to shop for JVC too! Thanks! On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 1:17 AM, Adrian Mechner wrote: > Hi! > > I would say you should perform a calibration first of all. These decks have > some mileage and you can’t tell for sure how well your own is calibrated, > but those of your friends. > > I recently sold on epay a new never used JVC DD7. I only broke the factory > seal to make sure it’s not clogged and it’s still going to start after 30 > years of sitting in the sealed box. I was amazed by four things: > > 1. The sound was nicer in terms of high end ears (mines). I was able > to distinguish in a more clear way each and every instrument. Well it > sounded better to make it short. > > 2. It was factory calibrated because it was new so I could see how > good my Naks are calibrated and I had a huge surprise: Both are perfect. > > 3. The MR2 I got from a local radio station was barely used (is > still like new) was expected to be in a perfect balance but I didn’t expect > the CR3A to be there too. > > 4. The fact that Nak recorded tapes sound perfect on other decks and > also the JVC 5 min record I performed for testing was mint on both Naks. > > > > Go from here and first step would be calibration before spending on other > troubled gear. > > Take care and have fun! > > Adrian > > P.S. The JVS DD7 I sold can be seen here: > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280686652082&ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT > > > > > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *LENA WONG > *Sent:* Saturday, June 04, 2011 8:31 PM > > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Cassette deck advice sought. > > > > Hi Julie: > > For non-Nakamichi Decks, the Revox B710 MK-II is a nice > recording deck but the playback is not that good. The Tandberg TCD-440 has > record head Azimuth Adjustment Control just like some Naks and it has very > sweet sound but it broke down a lot. Lately the power supply capacitors > blown and needed to be fixed. The B&O Becord 9000 has unusual features in > the auto-tape calibration area ( Bias, Equalization, Sensistivity and > Distortion Level ) and it is a nice sounding deck but its built quality is > not as high as others. The Distortion Level in the tape calibration > procedure is pretty unique. The meters seem flimsy and over-simplify but it > does the job it supposes to do. It is a single-motor/capstan transport but > its W&F level is very low. > > > > I own all three decks and from the reliability point of view > I would pick the Revox. Based on my past listening experience on these three > decks all three are fine recording decks but finding a properly serviced > Beocord 9000 will be tough. Tandberg can still be serviced without costing > you a fortune. > > > > The above is just my own opinion and it only represents mine. > Hope this help. > > > > > Good Listening, > Mike > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Julie Kessler > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Sat, June 4, 2011 9:46:19 PM > *Subject:* [naktalk] Cassette deck advice sought. > > Hello All, > > I'm getting ready to buy my second cassette deck and need some advice. I > love my Nakamichi 550, but tapes I make on it don't sound right on my > friends' cassettes, because Nakamichi 550's don't use the same EQ as other > brands (do I have that right?). So, all I can do if I want to share is have > my friends bring their recorder by and copy to their cassette. Right now I'm > borrowing a friend's Pioneer CT-F1000, and it's actually pretty good but not > as detailed as my Nakamichi 550 > > So here's my questions: > > Which Nakamichi's have the same EQ as everyone else, or all they all > non-standard? IF one of the Nakamichi's have standard EQ, which is the most > neutral sounding? I'd like to match the "feel" of the sound of my Revox A77 > Mk. III Dolby as close as possible, if that makes any sense. > > If no Nakamichi has standard EQ, then I'm trying to decide between these > cassette decks -- Revox B710 Mk. II, Tandberg TCD-440, or Bang & Olufsen > 9000 (I know where I can get a B&O 9000 really cheap, about the same cost as > a pair of Flip-Flops). > > Thanks for all your advice! > > -- Julie Kessler > juliek at kvglabs.com > Artist Development Executive > KVG Laboratories > I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered > http://www.kvglabs.com > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered http://www.kvglabs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The Nak engineers > were geniuses. Cassette tape is just a crappy recording medium that > Nakamichi engineers milked the most out of in any period. There is just so > much magnetic material to work with in that tiny sliver of tape.... > > I find that making a tape on my Denon DR-800A will sound better played back > on the tape player in my Dad's sort of new Ford Taurus tape deck than any > tape recorded on a classic Nak will. I'm sure recording engineers could > probably do better than me on this though. Try a BX-300 for making tapes > for your friends (I also think the CR-4 sounds excellent with newer > prerecorded tapes and should also do better with your friend's tape > players). > > I'll leave it to you to ponder that:-) > > David > > --- On Sat, 6/4/11, Julie Kessler wrote: > > > Hello All, > > I'm getting ready to buy my second cassette deck and need some advice. I > love my Nakamichi 550, but tapes I make on it don't sound right on my > friends' cassettes, because Nakamichi 550's don't use the same EQ as other > brands (do I have that right?). So, all I can do if I want to share is have > my friends bring their recorder by and copy to their cassette. Right now I'm > borrowing a friend's Pioneer CT-F1000, and it's actually pretty good but not > as detailed as my Nakamichi 550 > > > So here's my questions: > > Which Nakamichi's have the same EQ as everyone else, or all they all > non-standard? IF one of the Nakamichi's have standard EQ, which is the most > neutral sounding? I'd like to match the "feel" of the sound of my Revox A77 > Mk. III Dolby as close as possible, if that makes any sense. > > > If no Nakamichi has standard EQ, then I'm trying to decide between these > cassette decks -- Revox B710 Mk. II, Tandberg TCD-440, or Bang & Olufsen > 9000 (I know where I can get a B&O 9000 really cheap, about the same cost as > a pair of Flip-Flops). > > > Thanks for all your advice! > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered http://www.kvglabs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com Sun Jun 5 20:45:01 2011 From: juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com (Julie Kessler) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 13:45:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck advice sought. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Gotcha Fred, bought two pairs of Flip Flops, and passed up the B&O ... it was just so cute though. Thanks! On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Fred Longworth < classicaudiorepair at gmail.com> wrote: > Julie, > > On the B&O, I'd go for the flip-flops. They'll be more reliable, and get > better product support from the manufacturer. Revox has always made superb > gear. Check for a European source on parts. The USA division is not > cooperative. As for Tandberg, to my knowledge there are no sources of parts > for their cassette decks, although there's a fellow in Norway who sells the > exotic brake pads for their reel-to-reels. > > You might look into Aiwa - models like the AD-F850, a dual-capstan design. > Their EQ appears to be "standard." > > Best, > > Fred > > Fred Longworth MBA, CHMM > Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 > 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F > San Diego, CA 92116 > (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 > Fax: (619) 282-7872 > classicaudiorepair at gmail.com > stereo1 at cox.net > www.repairaudio.com > > > On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 7:46 PM, Julie Kessler < > juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hello All, >> >> I'm getting ready to buy my second cassette deck and need some advice. I >> love my Nakamichi 550, but tapes I make on it don't sound right on my >> friends' cassettes, because Nakamichi 550's don't use the same EQ as other >> brands (do I have that right?). So, all I can do if I want to share is have >> my friends bring their recorder by and copy to their cassette. Right now I'm >> borrowing a friend's Pioneer CT-F1000, and it's actually pretty good but not >> as detailed as my Nakamichi 550 >> >> So here's my questions: >> >> Which Nakamichi's have the same EQ as everyone else, or all they all >> non-standard? IF one of the Nakamichi's have standard EQ, which is the most >> neutral sounding? I'd like to match the "feel" of the sound of my Revox A77 >> Mk. III Dolby as close as possible, if that makes any sense. >> >> If no Nakamichi has standard EQ, then I'm trying to decide between these >> cassette decks -- Revox B710 Mk. II, Tandberg TCD-440, or Bang & Olufsen >> 9000 (I know where I can get a B&O 9000 really cheap, about the same cost as >> a pair of Flip-Flops). >> >> Thanks for all your advice! >> >> -- Julie Kessler >> juliek at kvglabs.com >> Artist Development Executive >> KVG Laboratories >> I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered >> http://www.kvglabs.com >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! 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On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 10:30 PM, LENA WONG wrote: Hi Julie: >              For non-Nakamichi Decks, the Revox B710 MK-II is a nice recording >deck but the playback is not that good. The Tandberg TCD-440 has record head >Azimuth Adjustment Control just like some Naks and it has very sweet sound but >it broke down a lot. Lately the power supply capacitors blown and needed to be >fixed. The B&O Becord 9000 has unusual features in the auto-tape calibration >area ( Bias, Equalization, Sensistivity and Distortion Level ) and it is a nice >sounding deck but its built quality is not as high as others. The Distortion >Level in the tape calibration procedure is pretty unique. The meters seem flimsy >and over-simplify but it does the job it supposes to do. It is a >single-motor/capstan transport but its W&F level is very low. > > >              I own all three decks and from the reliability point of view I >would pick the Revox. Based on my past listening experience on these three decks >all three are fine recording decks but finding a properly serviced Beocord 9000 >will be tough. Tandberg can still be serviced without costing you a fortune. > > >              The above is just my own opinion and it only represents mine. Hope >this help. > > >Good Listening, >Mike > > > > ________________________________ From: Julie Kessler >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Sat, June 4, 2011 9:46:19 PM >Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck advice sought. > > >Hello All, > >I'm getting ready to buy my second cassette deck and need some advice. I love my >Nakamichi 550, but tapes I make on it don't sound right on my friends' >cassettes, because Nakamichi 550's don't use the same EQ as other brands (do I >have that right?). So, all I can do if I want to share is have my friends bring >their recorder by and copy to their cassette. Right now I'm borrowing a friend's >Pioneer CT-F1000, and it's actually pretty good but not as detailed as my >Nakamichi 550 > >So here's my questions: > >Which Nakamichi's have the same EQ as everyone else, or all they all >non-standard? IF one of the Nakamichi's have standard EQ, which is the most >neutral sounding? I'd like to match the "feel" of the sound of my Revox A77 Mk. >III Dolby as close as possible, if that makes any sense. > > >If no Nakamichi has standard EQ, then I'm trying to decide between these >cassette decks -- Revox B710 Mk. II, Tandberg TCD-440, or Bang & Olufsen 9000 (I >know where I can get a B&O 9000 really cheap, about the same cost as a pair of >Flip-Flops). > > >Thanks for all your advice! > >-- Julie Kessler >juliek at kvglabs.com >Artist Development Executive >KVG Laboratories >I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered >http://www.kvglabs.com > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered http://www.kvglabs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz Sun Jun 5 22:49:00 2011 From: shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz (Martin Short) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 08:49:00 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck advice sought. References: Message-ID: Julie, I'm sure Kermit has the answer for you, but if you don't want to bother him then take a visit to Scott's incredibly useful site, www.nakremotes.com , go to the Nakfaq and scroll down to the section on IEC1976 & IEC1981... Of the decks you mention, I would take the Tandberg TCD440 first, Revox second, but if you can snare the Beocord 9000 for a song, then why not? and go have a play with it... it has some interesting features... cheers, M ----- Original Message ----- From: Julie Kessler To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2011 2:46 PM Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck advice sought. Hello All, I'm getting ready to buy my second cassette deck and need some advice. I love my Nakamichi 550, but tapes I make on it don't sound right on my friends' cassettes, because Nakamichi 550's don't use the same EQ as other brands (do I have that right?). So, all I can do if I want to share is have my friends bring their recorder by and copy to their cassette. Right now I'm borrowing a friend's Pioneer CT-F1000, and it's actually pretty good but not as detailed as my Nakamichi 550 So here's my questions: Which Nakamichi's have the same EQ as everyone else, or all they all non-standard? IF one of the Nakamichi's have standard EQ, which is the most neutral sounding? I'd like to match the "feel" of the sound of my Revox A77 Mk. III Dolby as close as possible, if that makes any sense. If no Nakamichi has standard EQ, then I'm trying to decide between these cassette decks -- Revox B710 Mk. II, Tandberg TCD-440, or Bang & Olufsen 9000 (I know where I can get a B&O 9000 really cheap, about the same cost as a pair of Flip-Flops). Thanks for all your advice! -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! 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Probably wouldn't pay the extra $10 at this point, the 24/92 would suffice I'm sure. ________________________________________ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Mikkel Breiler [mibm at tdcadsl.dk] Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 6:52 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving On Fri, 3 Jun 2011 06:18:00 -0400, "Beckner, Derrick" wrote: >When you start getting into 24/48 and better recordings there is very little difference. Especially with LPs off a good TT to a good sound card. I've started buying 24/96 and 24/192 downloads from HD Tracks, and with $200 in hard ware: a 1TB USB 3.0 harddrive and a $99 WD Media player, you get unbelievable sound. Try doing a frequency analysis of the different tracks. you'd be surprised how many recordings do not have much exnteded frequency content. And some have been artficially upsampled so the original sound was cut off lower than higher sampling would allow for. Until I get confirmation that a track really has frequencies at 88KHz I am not buying a 192KHz recording at $30 when I can get 96KHz for $20. I know hdtracks.com are less critical of their content, but at the same time they have thier material from the widest sources so they ought to screen everything they get and not charge for upsampled stuff just to offer something in higher bitrate. -Mikkel ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From dgb100 at psu.edu Sun Jun 5 14:35:37 2011 From: dgb100 at psu.edu (Beckner, Derrick) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 08:35:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck advice sought. In-Reply-To: <365095.16113.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: , <365095.16113.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Some of the three head Yamaha decks are absolutely spectacular and you get Play Trim and some decks have HX PRo, dbx and Dolby S. K-1000, KX-690 are the two that jump to mind. Pretty cheap compared to Nak, Revox, etc. ________________________________ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of LENA WONG [lenaw at flash.net] Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 11:30 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette deck advice sought. Hi Julie: For non-Nakamichi Decks, .... From adrian at mechner.net Sun Jun 5 19:24:35 2011 From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 10:24:35 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck advice sought. In-Reply-To: <13365.80378.qm@web130105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <13365.80378.qm@web130105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <03b201cc23a5$712f8f20$538ead60$@net> I wonder how you Nak owners can go into this kind of topic. EQ, is the same on all models and for sure it's a standard in the industrie. Only because the production has stopped a long time ago and the vast majority of decks survive up to a point being resuscitated from time to time, they will start having different sound. Deviations appear after 1000 hours of normal play, not to talk about gazillions of hours; you really can't expect perfect conservation over 30-40 years in service. In a normal world, you would have a place to service your gear periodically, change parts as needed and have standard settings at all times. This world is not given, therefore you have to live with what you got or the best you can make out of it. Different brands will have different sound and there is no "IDEAL SOUND". The differences are not to be located in the recording industrie standard because the guide lines are same as building codes. If there would have been deviations from the standard in terms of EQ, BIAS which would make the recordings to be brand or model specific, you would have been told in the owners manual about it. The differences as of today are caused by wear and wear only. Again, I'm not talking about different "kind" of sound, but of the standard used in recording. Let's take for instance the MR 1 or 2. This line is PRO grade; the MR1 is a 3 head and the MR2 is a 2 head. For those believing that a 2 head is bad for recording, I must say they are very wrong. I don't know how it's build in terms of components, but the MR2 records superbly; I would say even better then entry level 3 head setups like the CR3. Don't ask why because I don't know the answer. So, back to the idea of interchangeability; if the 2 head MR2 is meant for play only (some would say), where does the recording come from? On the other hand, like I mentioned in a previous post, my MR2 comes from a local radio station. I was told that it was used if they had guests on their live shows who where, let's say, musicians and they brought in a cassette with a new song to be played during the show. That was one of the times they used MR2. professionally. This discussion could go on and on but trust me, deviations come from wear and leak in spare parts. Have a sunny Sunday! P.S. Find a deck with as low hours as you can get and it will give you more pleasure then the rating of the model in the line up. BTW I will sell my Naks (MR2 and CR3) anyone interested? From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2011 7:22 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette deck advice sought. I believe Nakamichi made some MR-1s to match the standard IEC equalization curve (MR-1B). I also believe these were not clearly marked as such and therefore, may be difficult to identify. Also, CR-7s that have the EQ mod installed produce very nice sounding tapes that sound just fine on non-Nak (but quality) decks. I am not sure they actually follow the standard curve, though. As a side note: I am very happy with my CR-7 and have no hesitation generally (not just this issue) recommending this model. However, be aware that to contain the EQ mod, a deck should either be a late production unit or have been modified to include it. -- Ron --- On Sat, 6/4/11, Julie Kessler wrote: From: Julie Kessler Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck advice sought. To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Saturday, June 4, 2011, 10:46 PM Hello All, I'm getting ready to buy my second cassette deck and need some advice. I love my Nakamichi 550, but tapes I make on it don't sound right on my friends' cassettes, because Nakamichi 550's don't use the same EQ as other brands (do I have that right?). So, all I can do if I want to share is have my friends bring their recorder by and copy to their cassette. Right now I'm borrowing a friend's Pioneer CT-F1000, and it's actually pretty good but not as detailed as my Nakamichi 550 So here's my questions: Which Nakamichi's have the same EQ as everyone else, or all they all non-standard? IF one of the Nakamichi's have standard EQ, which is the most neutral sounding? I'd like to match the "feel" of the sound of my Revox A77 Mk. III Dolby as close as possible, if that makes any sense. If no Nakamichi has standard EQ, then I'm trying to decide between these cassette decks -- Revox B710 Mk. II, Tandberg TCD-440, or Bang & Olufsen 9000 (I know where I can get a B&O 9000 really cheap, about the same cost as a pair of Flip-Flops). 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URL: From josephjean at verizon.net Sun Jun 5 21:20:19 2011 From: josephjean at verizon.net (goodguy) Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2011 15:20:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving In-Reply-To: References: <272692.69932.qm@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <539442.97382.qm@web160619.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <106824.92525.qm@web160603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <483776.35120.qm@web160608.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <71760.6539.qm@web160608.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0LMC00KWP0DTTN30@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> I think most people would give a proverbial left eye to have the experiences you are getting Julie. I'm up there in my years but had a wonderful career and was able to work with some very talented people. Kermit is the best for transferring his knowledge to others and your are certainly holding your own. Kudos! At 02:34 PM 6/5/2011, you wrote: >Well, Bala, the answer to your questions is -- 1.) it's none of my >business or yours whether he attends NASCAR races. 2.) I don't think >he's posting much anywhere and I know he's working on some really >cool prototypes on top of other things, so I think he probably >chooses to spend his free time doing things offline to really get >away from work and relax. Why don't you ask him why he's not posting >anywhere? 3. I did indeed ask him the same questions, along with >Paul and Dave, and got great answers. But I also asked here to get >different perspectives and more info. > >By the way, the first variable record equalizers were made by >Westrex, RCA, Fairchild, Presto, and others in the 1940's and >1950's; I've browsed our tech library a lot and found mention of >variable record EQ as far back as 1927. Cool. > >One thing I've enjoyed working for Kermit is the "How It Was Done" >lectures every other Friday where he leads us interns through one >of his designs while building it all the while explaining all the >decisions and criteria that went into the equipment's design, >usually with a Nak 500 to make before/after comparison tapes for us >to hear as a way of explaining things. In other words, he explains >the whole design process from concept to final design, every step of >the way. I wish you and everyone on the list should attend one of >those demonstrations and lectures, it's awesome. (I've suggested >making podcasts of these lectures.) So I don't know where you come >up with the bizarre notion that either he or Sony don't know what >they're doing. Man, he, Dave and Paul definitely know what they're doing! > >On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 10:36 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra ><bg3009 at yahoo.com> wrote: >Julie, > >The question we all have for you is why Kermit, who is fit to attend >Nascar races, isn't posting on Naktalk. Where is he, and why is he >not answering your below questions? > >The answer to your questions would be to speak to Dr Huber, and read >his papers for a start. Also, read on the design of the McIntosh >C-8, which was one of the first variable record equalizer available >in the market. Today, KAB Acoustics makes some affordable units that >help tackle this problems as well. Make some thing to drink for >yourself, and two ice-teas which is Kermit's favorite drink. Put the >second one in the fridge is his listening room, and have a good talk >with him - he is a very knowledgeable guy who sometimes hasn't a >clue why he is doing what he is doing. Just like Sony. > >Bala > > >From: Julie Kessler ><juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com> >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks ><naktalk at naks.com> >Sent: Sun, June 5, 2011 7:28:56 AM > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving > >Hi, > >I have a question about this for all of you. I know what the guys >here in the studio say on the topic, but I just wanted some of you >guys' thoughts. As I understand it, FM Acoustics "linearization" is >really just variable EQ, which is a great thing (one of our phono >preamps has variable EQ & the other has 12 EQ curves with a program >EQ to compensate). So the idea is to get the EQ as close to perfect, >while correcting for record wear, deviations from the standard EQ >during cutting and the influence of cartridge frequency response on >playback EQ accuracy (the cartridge's frequency response will cause >the playback to differ from textbook perfect EQ, right?). I have >learned that altering the record's reproduce EQ sounds really >different than trying to use tone controls to correct. It sounds >better, I think. > >So here's my questions: > >1. Sometimes a record mastering engineer tweaks the record EQ as a >way of correcting for something in the record and/or just because >he/she thinks it sounds better. So why should we be undoing what the >mastering engineer did, unless the answer is we like the sound better. > >2. Unless you're correcting by ear, how can you know what the >deviation from textbook playback EQ is, plus deviations made by the >mastering engineer,, plus changes caused by record wear and all the >other things? Even if you have the precise calibration standard used >by the studio that cut the original record master, there's really no >way to know for sure. So you really have to do this all by ear, >right? So then you can run into the trap of also EQing for your >speakers, your cartridge, your own listening tastes., the room sound >and a whole bunch of other things. > >I've been having the most problems learning how to get EQ right, >there seems to be no absolute way to know what "correct" is unless >you just make assumptions or have a whole bunch of calibration >things, and even then that strill seems like ust being arbitrary to me. > >Or am I just being way too blonde about all of this? > >On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Rick Hils ><rhils at hotmail.com> wrote: >Bala, >Thanks for telling me about Dr. Manuel Huber. He is, no doubt, a >brilliant engineer. I'll try using a variable EQ set at an octave >width, a 5 db gain, and sweep some freq. ranges. >And I'll try to find some of Dr. Huber's material. >-Regards, Rick > > > >---------- >Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 06:20:54 -0700 > >From: bg3009 at yahoo.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Hi Rick, > >I respect your way of doing things. I always felt similar until I >attended a talk by FM Acoustics' founder Dr. Huber who demonstrated >to us the importance of variable EQ. Even slight modulations in the >standard RIAA curve, as you might know, brings immense difference in >the sound quality. Even 70s pop records that sounded compressed >sounded much livelier and bigger thanks to a more accurate >reproduction curve. Correct cart loading (which you have mentioned), >and correct record playback linearization are two things that are so >important and yet overlooked with such regularity listeners do not >know what they are missing out. > >Regards, >Bala > >From: Rick Hils <rhils at hotmail.com> >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Sat, June 4, 2011 9:07:55 AM >Subject: RE: [naktalk] LP archiving > >Bala, >I don't have the knowledge to test and to, therefore, report any >findings. I will say that when I use my Shure V15 III cartridge with >my Concept receiver, the results are very good. The Concept >receivers use a phono input impedance of 50k, which is appropriate >for the Shure V15. As long as I am hearing enough detail in the mid >to upper mid-range, then I am happy. I'm not so concerned about >whether or not the low end goes down to 30 or 20 hz. >As far as computer wave editing goes, I try to avoid tweaking the >wav file too much. I prefer to leave the phasing characteristics of >the original unaltered. I also feel that light surface noise from >the original LP is better left alone. Much better to hear it all >than to muffle any of the highs. >-Regards, Rick > > > >---------- >Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 04:58:38 -0700 >From: bg3009 at yahoo.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Hi Rick, > >I suppose that term comes as a translation from the Swiss guys. I >was asking more specifically about how you control cartridge loading >and playback curve of the records you transcribe. > >Bala > > "What You didn't see, you didn't know" > > >From: Rick Hils <rhils at hotmail.com> >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Fri, June 3, 2011 5:21:06 AM >Subject: RE: [naktalk] LP archiving > >Bala, >You ask what type of "phono linearization" do I use? Well, that >could cover lots of things starting from the tone arm tracking and >then on to the RIAA phono eq fidelity in my Concept receiver and >then on to the impedance match between the receiver outputs and the >E-MU A/D converter inputs. To be fair, I haven't checked the >linearity of my RCA phono cables lately so that might be what you >are asking about. I don't know. The anti-skate on my tone arm may be >set a quarter of a gram off. >But the art of vinyl record reproduction has and always will be a >compromise of imperfections. We all make reasonable attempts to >achieve the best sound, and that means to our own ears as well as >what the test equipment shows. For me, the two most important issues >are the musicality of the phono cartridge and the clear sound of the >playback speakers. What counts is that we get enjoyment from listening. >Regards- Rick > > >---------- >Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 07:33:43 -0700 >From: bg3009 at yahoo.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Hi Rick, > >What type of phono linearization do you use? > >Regards, >Bala > > >From: Rick Hils <rhils at hotmail.com> >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 12:14:48 PM >Subject: RE: [naktalk] LP archiving > >If you want, give them my name. I can make very nice transfers. I >use a Thorens TD 145 with Shure V15 III and I also have a Lenco >heavy platter table than has infinite speed adjust from 16 rpm to 78 >rpm. I can either go straight into my E-MU 96/24 convertor or first >into my Nak BX-300 and then to the DAC. >The situation is that I am close to the 91601 zip code (Los Angeles >area) and can possibly pick up the records myself. I would do one >record side to see if it meets with your friends needs. >Rick >email: rhils at hotmail.com > > > Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 14:11:31 -0700 > > From: fripp_em at yahoo.com > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving > > > > I seem to remember there was someone on naktalk (West of the > Mississippi) who did professional transfers of cassette and LP > collections to digital? I can't remember who that was but I know > someone who wants to do this with a large collection of LPs (I > guess some are rare). If it was one or two records I'd consider it, > but it's not my career:-) Anyone remember who that was? > > > > Thanks, > > David > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Also check out the wiki! >http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your >account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Also check out the wiki! >http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your >account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Also check out the wiki! >http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your >account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! > http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >-- >-- Julie Kessler >juliek at kvglabs.com >Artist Development Executive >KVG Laboratories >I Found The Sound! 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 6 05:10:05 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 20:10:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving In-Reply-To: References: <272692.69932.qm@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <539442.97382.qm@web160619.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <106824.92525.qm@web160603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <483776.35120.qm@web160608.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <71760.6539.qm@web160608.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <254419.27194.qm@web160614.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Thats great. Because a lot of people who kept nagging me with offline emails should now have their answers conclusive. Thanks Kermit, oops Julie! ________________________________ From: Julie Kessler To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Mon, June 6, 2011 4:34:06 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving Well, Bala, the answer to your questions is -- 1.) it's none of my business or yours whether he attends NASCAR races. 2.) I don't think he's posting much anywhere and I know he's working on some really cool prototypes on top of other things, so I think he probably chooses to spend his free time doing things offline to really get away from work and relax. Why don't you ask him why he's not posting anywhere? 3. I did indeed ask him the same questions, along with Paul and Dave, and got great answers. But I also asked here to get different perspectives and more info. By the way, the first variable record equalizers were made by Westrex, RCA, Fairchild, Presto, and others in the 1940's and 1950's; I've browsed our tech library a lot and found mention of variable record EQ as far back as 1927. Cool. One thing I've enjoyed working for Kermit is the "How It Was Done" lectures every other Friday where he leads us interns through one of his designs while building it all the while explaining all the decisions and criteria that went into the equipment's design, usually with a Nak 500 to make before/after comparison tapes for us to hear as a way of explaining things. In other words, he explains the whole design process from concept to final design, every step of the way. I wish you and everyone on the list should attend one of those demonstrations and lectures, it's awesome. (I've suggested making podcasts of these lectures.) So I don't know where you come up with the bizarre notion that either he or Sony don't know what they're doing. Man, he, Dave and Paul definitely know what they're doing! On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 10:36 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Julie, > >The question we all have for you is why Kermit, who is fit to attend Nascar >races, isn't posting on Naktalk. Where is he, and why is he not answering your >below questions? > > >The answer to your questions would be to speak to Dr Huber, and read his papers >for a start. Also, read on the design of the McIntosh C-8, which was one of the >first variable record equalizer available in the market. Today, KAB Acoustics >makes some affordable units that help tackle this problems as well. Make some >thing to drink for yourself, and two ice-teas which is Kermit's favorite drink. >Put the second one in the fridge is his listening room, and have a good talk >with him - he is a very knowledgeable guy who sometimes hasn't a clue why he is >doing what he is doing. Just like Sony. > > >Bala > > > > ________________________________ >From: Julie Kessler > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Sun, June 5, 2011 7:28:56 AM > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving > > >Hi, > >I have a question about this for all of you. I know what the guys here in the >studio say on the topic, but I just wanted some of you guys' thoughts. As I >understand it, FM Acoustics "linearization" is really just variable EQ, which is >a great thing (one of our phono preamps has variable EQ & the other has 12 EQ >curves with a program EQ to compensate). So the idea is to get the EQ as close >to perfect, while correcting for record wear, deviations from the standard EQ >during cutting and the influence of cartridge frequency response on playback EQ >accuracy (the cartridge's frequency response will cause the playback to differ >from textbook perfect EQ, right?). I have learned that altering the record's >reproduce EQ sounds really different than trying to use tone controls to >correct. It sounds better, I think. > > >So here's my questions: > >1. Sometimes a record mastering engineer tweaks the record EQ as a way of >correcting for something in the record and/or just because he/she thinks it >sounds better. So why should we be undoing what the mastering engineer did, >unless the answer is we like the sound better. > > >2. Unless you're correcting by ear, how can you know what the deviation from >textbook playback EQ is, plus deviations made by the mastering engineer,, plus >changes caused by record wear and all the other things? Even if you have the >precise calibration standard used by the studio that cut the original record >master, there's really no way to know for sure. So you really have to do this >all by ear, right? So then you can run into the trap of also EQing for your >speakers, your cartridge, your own listening tastes., the room sound and a whole >bunch of other things. > > >I've been having the most problems learning how to get EQ right, there seems to >be no absolute way to know what "correct" is unless you just make assumptions or >have a whole bunch of calibration things, and even then that strill seems like >ust being arbitrary to me. > > >Or am I just being way too blonde about all of this? > > >On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Rick Hils wrote: > >Bala, >>Thanks for telling me about Dr. Manuel Huber. He is, no doubt, a brilliant >>engineer. I'll try using a variable EQ set at an octave width, a 5 db gain, and >>sweep some freq. ranges. >>And I'll try to find some of Dr. Huber's material. >>-Regards, Rick >> >> >>________________________________ Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 06:20:54 -0700 >> >>From: bg3009 at yahoo.com >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving >>To: naktalk at naks.com >> >> >>Hi Rick, >> >>I respect your way of doing things. I always felt similar until I attended a >>talk by FM Acoustics' founder Dr. Huber who demonstrated to us the importance of >>variable EQ. Even slight modulations in the standard RIAA curve, as you might >>know, brings immense difference in the sound quality. Even 70s pop records that >>sounded compressed sounded much livelier and bigger thanks to a more accurate >>reproduction curve. Correct cart loading (which you have mentioned), and correct >>record playback linearization are two things that are so important and yet >>overlooked with such regularity listeners do not know what they are missing out. >> >> >> >>Regards, >>Bala >> >> ________________________________ From: Rick Hils >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Sent: Sat, June 4, 2011 9:07:55 AM >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] LP archiving >> >>Bala, >>I don't have the knowledge to test and to, therefore, report any findings. I >>will say that when I use my Shure V15 III cartridge with my Concept receiver, >>the results are very good. The Concept receivers use a phono input impedance of >>50k, which is appropriate for the Shure V15. As long as I am hearing enough >>detail in the mid to upper mid-range, then I am happy. I'm not so concerned >>about whether or not the low end goes down to 30 or 20 hz. >> >>As far as computer wave editing goes, I try to avoid tweaking the wav file too >>much. I prefer to leave the phasing characteristics of the original unaltered. I >>also feel that light surface noise from the original LP is better left alone. >>Much better to hear it all than to muffle any of the highs. >>-Regards, Rick >> >> >>________________________________ Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 04:58:38 -0700 >>From: bg3009 at yahoo.com >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving >>To: naktalk at naks.com >> >> >>Hi Rick, >> >>I suppose that term comes as a translation from the Swiss guys. I was asking >>more specifically about how you control cartridge loading and playback curve of >>the records you transcribe. >> >> >>Bala >> >> "What You didn't see, you didn't know" >> >> >> >> ________________________________ From: Rick Hils >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Sent: Fri, June 3, 2011 5:21:06 AM >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] LP archiving >> >>Bala, >>You ask what type of "phono linearization" do I use? Well, that could cover lots >>of things starting from the tone arm tracking and then on to the RIAA phono eq >>fidelity in my Concept receiver and then on to the impedance match between the >>receiver outputs and the E-MU A/D converter inputs. To be fair, I haven't >>checked the linearity of my RCA phono cables lately so that might be what you >>are asking about. I don't know. The anti-skate on my tone arm may be set a >>quarter of a gram off. >>But the art of vinyl record reproduction has and always will be a compromise of >>imperfections. We all make reasonable attempts to achieve the best sound, and >>that means to our own ears as well as what the test equipment shows. For me, the >>two most important issues are the musicality of the phono cartridge and the >>clear sound of the playback speakers. What counts is that we get enjoyment from >>listening. >> >>Regards- Rick >> >>________________________________ Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 07:33:43 -0700 >>From: bg3009 at yahoo.com >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving >>To: naktalk at naks.com >> >> >>Hi Rick, >> >>What type of phono linearization do you use? >> >>Regards, >>Bala >> >> >> >> ________________________________ From: Rick Hils >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 12:14:48 PM >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] LP archiving >> >>If you want, give them my name. I can make very nice transfers. I use a Thorens >>TD 145 with Shure V15 III and I also have a Lenco heavy platter table than has >>infinite speed adjust from 16 rpm to 78 rpm. I can either go straight into my >>E-MU 96/24 convertor or first into my Nak BX-300 and then to the DAC. >>The situation is that I am close to the 91601 zip code (Los Angeles area) and >>can possibly pick up the records myself. I would do one record side to see if >>it meets with your friends needs. >>Rick >>email: rhils at hotmail.com >> >>> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 14:11:31 -0700 >>> From: fripp_em at yahoo.com >>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>> Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving >>> >>> I seem to remember there was someone on naktalk (West of the Mississippi) who >>>did professional transfers of cassette and LP collections to digital? I can't >>>remember who that was but I know someone who wants to do this with a large >>>collection of LPs (I guess some are rare). If it was one or two records I'd >>>consider it, but it's not my career:-) Anyone remember who that was? >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> David >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>Also check out the wiki! >>http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.commailinglist Maintain your account here: >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>Also check out the wiki! >>http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: >>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > >-- >-- Julie Kessler >juliek at kvglabs.com >Artist Development Executive >KVG Laboratories >I Found The Sound! 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I am sure lots of prospective customers would want to see with their eyes. Stuff has been circulating and every email that you send only adds more weight to what a lot of people here have suspected. I am just asking the questions because some of them have been asking me, and I don't know! If you want to question attitudes, then you are questioning the attitude of lots of people here. So take it easy. I am not one of those who tear others down; People have tried to tear me down, but I stand here today backed by many, many encouraging messages from Naktalkers who see through my emails. Affluence, money and status can buy many things, but only passion stands the test of time. ________________________________ From: Julie Kessler To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Mon, June 6, 2011 4:18:41 AM Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico I'm rolling my eyes, Bala. Oh brother, why do you have to have such an attitude? By the way, that's all I see out of you and everyone else is "words words words" but so what? I don't appreciate you implying that I'm a liar. You're really out of line. You don't work here, but I do, so you truly don't know what you're talking about. I always appreciate new and different opinions, but I think the group is best served if you keep your innuendos and character besmirching to yourself and speak on what you actually have firsthand knowledge about. Sorry to be snippy, but really, who do you think you are making statements like that about a business you know nothing about and about situations you know nothing about? I've noticed this is a growing trend on Internet forums -- people makig blanket condemnations or criticisms about things they haven't seen or heard. I think it's just that some people think they way they can live people up is by tearing someone else down. I hope you're not that petty, but so far from what you're showing me about yourself.... On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 10:13 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hmm..seeing is believing. So far none of us has seen anything except words, words and more words. > > > > ________________________________ From: Julie Kessler >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Sun, June 5, 2011 5:28:13 AM > >Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico > > >Bala, > >Kermit hired some programmers to write the custom software for us. I imagine it >was expensive but I don't know, and I can't say about how the software works, >but it's pretty amazing to watch. Yes indeed, the boss is loaded because the >business has been really successful the last year or so. It's inspiring to me to >see how hard work and out-of-the-box ideas can pay off, and how old gear like >Nakamichi cassettes can still be really useful in a modern studio. From what >everyone's been telling me, the secret to Kermit's success has always been >having unique, custom made equipment, including software. This is such a great >place to work! > >You sneak in a Wilson Benesch Full Circle when the boss is out of the building >all day long to a NASCAR event with friends. > > > >On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 8:13 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > >A custom program that 'declicks, denoises, EQ and Dyanamic processing'? That >usually stuff that's subject of phsycho-acoustics and patented algorithms. >Either you are kidding us or your boss is loaded! How do you 'sneak' in a WB >Full Circle? >> >>Bala >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ From: Julie Kessler >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Sent: Sat, June 4, 2011 9:15:57 AM >> >>Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico >> >> >>Hi! >> >>That's a great answer. I guess I was being literal and answering how to transfer >>LPs with Audacity. We have Audacity, but it's only used for training purposes, >>the software we actually use to make digital archive recordings is >>custom-programmed and it declicks, denoises, applies EQ and dynamics processing, >>various enhancers and then splits the LP into separate song tracks all in one >>pass so it's really efficient; with all the records we archive we wouldn't get >>anything done with Audacity or typical software. >> >> >>Kermit, Dave and Paul try to do as much EQ, click and denoising with hardware >>instead of software. We have two hardware declickers and five hardware denoisers >>and our preamp can EQ any record ever made correctly and compensate for wear and >>non-standard EQ curves. That way the software doesn't have much to do. You're >>really right about cleaning first, and the guys use the VPI machine to clean the >>record as good as possible. As far as styli, Kermit has a place in England make >>us a set of 30 different styli with all sorts of different sizes and shapes to >>fit the groove as good as can be to reduce noise and wear for the Stanton 681EEE >>to play 78's right and 5 different styli for LP's and 45's that fit the Ortofon >>VMS-20 + 2 custom styli for the Shure V-15 Type III which is Kermit's favorite. >>The turntable we use has a straightline tonearm and it moves like the original >>cutter did; all three guys modified the turntable to the max and I bet >>Rabco/Harmon-Kardon wouldn't recognize its insides. >> >>I can always tell which of the guys did the re-recordig job. Paul tends to use >>nothing but the hardware and won't use any software processing, and he'll sweat >>bullts getting the settings right. Kermit uses both software and hardware and >>tends to process very little, just the really bad pops and noise, but he gets >>really into the EQ and often uses dynamic range expanders to undo >>overcompression, which I think is his pet peeve. Dave just goes all hog wild and >>kills all the pops and ticks and noise and just like gets every processor to the >>max -- and I swear, by the time he's done he's made the LP sound like a CD (I >>think he goes overboard with it all). I >> >>t's really fun as an intern for me to watch the 3 of them get into arguments >>over how much processing a record needs. It's culture clash set to music. You >>have Kermit with his 1970's studio thing, then Paul is all into (how to say it?) >>"phono culture". Paul learned audio in the late 1980's and I've caught him >>sneaking his Wilson Benesch Full Circle turntable in and using it instead of our >>modifed Rabco. Dave's the youngest, he was trained in 2001 at a ProTools studio >>and just wants to process everything to be as noiseless as can be. The 3 guys >>never agree on anything to do with turntables and records but it's really coo >>that they get along like brothers! This really, really, isn't a boring place to >>work! >> >> >> >>My turntable has a Rek-O-Kut Micropoise tonearm that Paul modified, and I have >>one of Kermit's modified Shure V-15 Type IV cartridges. Awesome sound. >> >> >> >>On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 6:56 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >> >>I suppose he was asking about his oldies on tape. >>> >>>Having said that, click and noise removal is something best done at the source >>>level for records. Starting with a clean record,is an absolute essential. A good >>>high-end cartridge with a good stylus profile greatly reduces noise and clicks >>>by sitting well within the groove. Most earlier cartridge profiles do not do >>>this and are influenced by the surface condition of the record. Surprisingly, >>>the grooves rarely get damaged unless the record is played with a chipped or >>>worn stylus, or if the record has bubbles or 'kink warps'. But I have seen good >>>unipivot arms play warped records pretty well. If they are still there, leave >>>it. Trying to correct clicks and pops ends rarely leaves the quality of the rest >>>of the track unmolested. >>> >>> >>>With a good set-up, records that were thought to click and pop badly came up >>>absolutely quiet - so quiet you can hear the stop and start of the hiss of the >>>master tape in between tracks. Boxes, devices and kludges best remain in >>>museums. >>> >>> >>>I envy you working for a great boss. >>> >>> >>>Bala >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ From: Julie Kessler >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Sent: Fri, June 3, 2011 12:31:27 PM >>>Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico >>> >>> >>>Rodrigo, >>> >>>The procedure we use here goes like this: >>> >>>1. Record the disc into the software. >>>2. Next, choose "Click Removal." Highlight all of the audio file waveform (i.e., >>>"select the audio file" as a shorthand term for this) for processing. The >>>default setting works okay, but you may have to Undo and retry a few times to >>>get the best results. "Click removal" seems to work best before EQing for the >>>record characteristic EQ. >>> >>>3. If you don't have an equalized preamp, apply EQ using the software. Select >>>all of the audio file for processing. Audacity has several record EQs listed >>>under "Effect...Equalization." >>>4. Choose whichever EQ matches the disc. You can tweak the EQ graphically to >>>correct for worn or off-standard discs. >>> >>>5. Next, choose "Noise Removal." Delesect the file. Select a small part of the >>>file where there is silence between tracks. Click "Get Noise Profile." Now, >>>select the whole audio file and choose "Noise Removal" again. This time just >>>click OK. The default setting works okay, but you may have to Undo and retry a >>>few times to get the best results. >>> >>>6. Now, listen to the whole audio file and when you get to silence between >>>tracks highlight the silence between tracks and choose "Insert Silence." >>> >>>7. Finally, go back and "cut up" the file into separate tracks by highlighting >>>the waveform of the song and go to File..Export Selection." Name the file >>>accordingly and choose the appropriate file formats to match what you want to do >>>with the files. >>> >>> >>>We recommend against using the Normalize or Compressor effects because they can >>>really hurt the sound of your transfer but you can use them if you think they >>>sound good, of course. >>> >>> >>>I hope this helps! >>> >>> >>>On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 7:11 AM, Rodrigo Krause >>wrote: >>> >>>Hi Bala, >>>>Would you mind sharing with us how you are doing this? I'm starting to look up >>>>how to put my wonderful "olies" ontape into digital. >>>>I'd much appreciate any inputs. >>>>Thank you in advance for any info you may share. >>>>Best regards, >>>>Rodrigo >>>> >>>> ________________________________ De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >>>>Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>Enviada em: Wed Jun 01 22:38:15 2011 >>>>Assunto: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving >>>> >>>> >>>>I am archiving many old and rare tape recordings onto digital now. After much >>>>trials, I managed to get the right format and setup that gives ticks all the >>>>boxes in terms of a digital format. It is a tedious task, but one that may be >>>>very important for posterity. >>>> >>>> >>>>Regards, >>>>Bala >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ________________________________ From: fripp_em >>>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 7:11:31 AM >>>>Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving >>>> >>>>I seem to remember there was someone on naktalk (West of the Mississippi) who >>>>did professional transfers of cassette and LP collections to digital? I can't >>>>remember who that was but I know someone who wants to do this with a large >>>>collection of LPs (I guess some are rare). If it was one or two records I'd >>>>consider it, but it's not my career:-) Anyone remember who that was? >>>> >>>> >>>>Thanks, >>>>David >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>>Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes privilegiadas >>>e/ou >>>>de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem autorizacao do >>>> remetente. >>>> >>>>Portanto, se voce recebeu esta mensagem por engano, por favor, nos informe >>>>respondendo imediatamente a este e-mail e em seguida apague-a. >>>> >>>>A empresa MULTIPLAN nao se responsabiliza por conclusoes, opinioes, ou outras >>>> informacoes nesta mensagem que nao se relacionem com sua linha de negocios. >> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>> >>> >>>-- >>>-- Julie Kessler >>>juliek at kvglabs.com >>>Artist Development Executive >>>KVG Laboratories >>>I Found The Sound! 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URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 6 07:03:33 2011 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (Ram) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 01:03:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 reversed capacitors on MCB In-Reply-To: <1986018399.1570221.1307324065077.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <1986018399.1570221.1307324065077.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Hi Perry, I can answer the belt portion of your question. I had bought an eBay ZX9 in pristine condition(dual voltage) and it was working fine for more than a year and then one day the tape was not taken up and no sound came and e auto stop kicked in immediately. Upon opening the deck(I am sure I was the first one to do so) the belt had partially melted off the flywheels and parts of it were stuck in a gooey mess. Took me a good hour to clean up the mess. So you are not alone. After an ESL belt on the machine it's been running like a champ and is one of my best sounding decks. No issues whatsoever. It has been at least three years since. Regards, Ram. On Jun 5, 2011, at 9:34 PM, perry.nak at comcast.net wrote: > Picked up a cosmetically clean, yet operationally challenged ZX-9 (FINALLY!!!) for a good price. Capstan belt had turned to tarry goo. Anyone seen this on a real Nak belt before? > > I actually also bought another ZX-9 (switchable voltage!) off Agon, not as good a price and haven't gotten it yet, also not working and the seller emailed me that he opened it up when it didn't work, and noticed the belt "had fallen apart", so he decided to sell it. Sounds the same. > > Is this for some strange reason common to ZX-9s? Did they use an odd formulation belt? > > Also, while restoring this one (for me, not selling these!) I noticed that C501 thru C504, which are 47uF 16V electrolytic caps on the MCB are installed > > backwards, polarity wise, with reference to the silkscreen on the PCB, the schematic and the PCB diagram. > > Is this one of those instances where polarity doesn't matter (I could substitute a Nichicon ES, perhaps), or is this an intentional undocumented factory mod? > > It LOOKS intentional, as these 4 caps serve similar functions, and all the other caps are installed correctly per the PCB, but it just could be a regular old error, too. > > They are blue Shoei caps, and all measure good. 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URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Mon Jun 6 09:20:08 2011 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 00:20:08 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 reversed capacitors on MCB In-Reply-To: <1986018399.1570221.1307324065077.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <1986018399.1570221.1307324065077.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: On the capacitors, take a DMM (digital multimeter) and measure the voltages on the devices. Whatever is the most positive voltage should go to the (+) terminal on the capacitor. As for the belts, the tarry goo should be considered to be a hazardous waste. Limit your exposure to the stuff. Windex is better to clean it up than alcohol. Fred Fred Longworth MBA, CHMM Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F San Diego, CA 92116 (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 Fax: (619) 282-7872 classicaudiorepair at gmail.com stereo1 at cox.net www.repairaudio.com On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 6:34 PM, wrote: > Picked up a cosmetically clean, yet operationally challenged ZX-9 > (FINALLY!!!) for a good price. Capstan belt had turned to tarry goo. > Anyone seen this on a real Nak belt before? > > I actually also bought another ZX-9 (switchable voltage!) off Agon, not as > good a price and haven't gotten it yet, also not working and the seller > emailed me that he opened it up when it didn't work, and noticed the belt > "had fallen apart", so he decided to sell it. Sounds the same. > > Is this for some strange reason common to ZX-9s? Did they use an odd > formulation belt? > > Also, while restoring this one (for me, not selling these!) I noticed that > C501 thru C504, which are 47uF 16V electrolytic caps on the MCB are > installed > > backwards, polarity wise, with reference to the silkscreen on the PCB, the > schematic and the PCB diagram. > > Is this one of those instances where polarity doesn't matter (I could > substitute a Nichicon ES, perhaps), or is this an intentional > undocumented factory mod? > > It LOOKS intentional, as these 4 caps serve similar functions, and all the > other caps are installed correctly per the PCB, but it just could be a > regular old error, too. > > They are blue Shoei caps, and all measure good. Spot on, in fact. > > Thanks, Perry > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From perry.nak at comcast.net Mon Jun 6 13:17:26 2011 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 11:17:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] RE: ZX-9 reversed capacitors on MCB Message-ID: <990254839.1579311.1307359046850.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Thanks, Ram, interesting to know it's not just these. Have you ever seen this occur with any other Nak belt? I've been through over 40 Naks, and this is the first one! I've contacted ESL for replacement belts. May try a BX-300 belt just to make sure it's operational, once I get the cap thing figured out.. Fred, thanks for the reply, but I'd rather not power it up until I have some kind of idea what is correct in the first place. My friend Vlad is going to look in his ZX-9, as you only need to remove the cover, and look at the 4 caps that make a perfect square on the motor control board to see if the NEG marking is through the silk screened large dot or not. It's pretty obvious, once you actually look for it. Seems odd that this hasn't been documented in any other posts here, or on any manual. But it could just be that with the low number of ZX-9 boards, unique amongst the Naks, not too many DIY techs have noticed this before. I've read your comment in the past about using Windex instead of IA on the goo, and I have to tell you, that has not been my experience at all. Is there a safety (your hazardous waste comment) or reactive reason to do this? Windex literally does very little to it in my experience, but smear it even more, whereas Q-tips (hate to waste good swabs on this chore) dipped in IA, remove it instantly. I've had plenty of tarry belts on other gear, like Yamaha tape decks and Mitsubishi turntables, and IA worked great. Perhaps different formulation belts dissolve easier with different solvents? I've already cleaned it up with IA, with no apparent issues, but I'd really like to know if there is a real reason to use WIndex, or just your preference. Getting it off the DD windings with a swab was actually very easy, as no pressure is needed to possible force that crap deeper into the windings. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 6 15:30:26 2011 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 06:30:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 reversed capacitors on MCB In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <775270.5492.qm@web112702.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I use Methyl Ethyl Ketone in a well ventilated area wearing gloves with a cotton swab to remove this rubber goo. Works like a charm. It so happened that an EL-7 Sony Elcaset and a Teac Elcaset deck came with tons of such goo from their thick capstan belts. IA did not do much on this rubber. Since then MEK has done the magic pretty well.. Make sure the plastic parts are not touched as MEK will spoil he finish...and please do not inhale it. Ram. --- On Mon, 6/6/11, Fred Longworth wrote: From: Fred Longworth Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-9 reversed capacitors on MCB To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, June 6, 2011, 3:20 AM On the capacitors, take a DMM (digital multimeter) and measure the voltages on the devices. Whatever is the most positive voltage should go to the (+) terminal on the capacitor. As for the belts, the tarry goo should be considered to be a hazardous waste.  Limit your exposure to the stuff. Windex is better to clean it up than alcohol. Fred Fred Longworth  MBA, CHMM Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F San Diego, CA 92116 (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 Fax: (619) 282-7872 classicaudiorepair at gmail.com stereo1 at cox.net www.repairaudio.com On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 6:34 PM, wrote: Picked up a cosmetically clean, yet operationally challenged ZX-9 (FINALLY!!!) for a good price.  Capstan belt had turned to tarry goo.  Anyone seen this on a real Nak belt before?  I actually also bought another ZX-9 (switchable voltage!) off Agon, not as good a price and haven't gotten it yet, also not working and the seller emailed me that he opened it up when it didn't work, and noticed the belt "had fallen apart", so he decided to sell it.  Sounds the same.  Is this for some strange reason common to ZX-9s? Did they use an odd formulation belt? Also, while restoring this one (for me, not selling these!) I noticed that C501 thru C504, which are 47uF 16V electrolytic caps on the MCB are installed  backwards, polarity wise, with reference to the silkscreen on the PCB, the schematic and the PCB diagram.  Is this one of those instances where polarity doesn't matter (I could substitute a Nichicon ES, perhaps), or is this an  intentional undocumented factory mod? It LOOKS intentional, as these 4 caps serve similar functions, and all the other caps are installed correctly per the PCB, but it just could be a regular old error, too. They are blue Shoei caps, and all measure good.  Spot on, in fact. 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URL: From juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com Mon Jun 6 21:03:18 2011 From: juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com (Julie Kessler) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 14:03:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] LP arcaico In-Reply-To: <480209.48017.qm@web160614.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <530049.21163.qm@web160616.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40338E0F8@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br> <514037.18583.qm@web160611.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <54853.318.qm@web160617.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <874940.97038.qm@web160601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <480209.48017.qm@web160614.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bala, your comments makes no sense. Seriously. It's a shame you can't accept the success we've been having, but I guess that's your problem. I have to laugh at your comment, because the web site shows all sorts of innovations, and as new products come out of the lab they get added -- and start selling. There's nothing secretive other than things like proprietary formulae, design methods and so on, just like every other company has. Good grief, all the sound samples, all the product photos, and all the products we have that no one else has: Counterpoise and Varipoise transformers, Varivox speakers, EVAS, BLISS, and many others. Sorry if this comes off snarky, but you're just going have to get over this weird obsession you have with this mythical secrecy, and accept that Kermit, me, and everyone else is being quite successful. "Only passion stands the test of time" sounds good, but I've had a minor in business admin and that isn't always true. But my mom has known Kermit since 1978, and if anyone has passion for sound and music, he has -- and it's why he's still selling amplifiers and so way many other things all these decades later that he first designed in the 1970s. Oh, and I spent a lot of time going through the message archives. There are so many messages where you really tear down and defame people, and those people come back and disprove your accusations. I see through your messages very well, and this round of messages with you is really both truly bizarre and sort of disturbing. Sorry, Bala, you just don't know what you're talking about on this topic, and your baseless criticisms are empty air to my ears. My last word to you, ever, is that I find it very telling (and it really speaks to your character) that you're the only one of Kermit's friends who isn't really excited to see the success and growth, and instead go out of your way to create controversy and accusation where none exists, inventing conspiracies and all sorts of really freaky stuff to try to dispute the success that everyone else who knows Kermit sees and accepts as th efact that it is. On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 10:58 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Julie, > > I am not going to get into an argument here with you or anyone else; but > here and on the website all we see are words. There has been absolutely > nothing on the website or anywhere else about all this innovation going on. > Leica, Porshe and other secretive manufacturers have opened up their plants > - heck even Area 51 pictures about the A-12 recon plane being tested have > been opened up. So what is in it for being so secretive? I am sure lots of > prospective customers would want to see with their eyes. > > Stuff has been circulating and every email that you send only adds more > weight to what a lot of people here have suspected. I am just asking the > questions because some of them have been asking me, and I don't know! If you > want to question attitudes, then you are questioning the attitude of lots of > people here. So take it easy. > > I am not one of those who tear others down; People have tried to tear me > down, but I stand here today backed by many, many encouraging messages from > Naktalkers who see through my emails. Affluence, money and status can buy > many things, but only passion stands the test of time. > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Julie Kessler > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Mon, June 6, 2011 4:18:41 AM > > *Subject:* Re: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico > > I'm rolling my eyes, Bala. Oh brother, why do you have to have such an > attitude? By the way, that's all I see out of you and everyone else is > "words words words" but so what? I don't appreciate you implying that I'm a > liar. You're really out of line. You don't work here, but I do, so you > truly don't know what you're talking about. I always appreciate new and > different opinions, but I think the group is best served if you keep your > innuendos and character besmirching to yourself and speak on what you > actually have firsthand knowledge about. Sorry to be snippy, but really, who > do you think you are making statements like that about a business you know > nothing about and about situations you know nothing about? I've noticed > this is a growing trend on Internet forums -- people makig blanket > condemnations or criticisms about things they haven't seen or heard. I think > it's just that some people think they way they can live people up is by > tearing someone else down. I hope you're not that petty, but so far from > what you're showing me about yourself.... > > On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 10:13 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > >> Hmm..seeing is believing. So far none of us has seen anything except >> words, words and more words. >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Julie Kessler >> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> *Sent:* Sun, June 5, 2011 5:28:13 AM >> >> *Subject:* Re: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico >> >> Bala, >> >> Kermit hired some programmers to write the custom software for us. I >> imagine it was expensive but I don't know, and I can't say about how the >> software works, but it's pretty amazing to watch. Yes indeed, the boss is >> loaded because the business has been really successful the last year or so. >> It's inspiring to me to see how hard work and out-of-the-box ideas can pay >> off, and how old gear like Nakamichi cassettes can still be really useful in >> a modern studio. From what everyone's been telling me, the secret to >> Kermit's success has always been having unique, custom made equipment, >> including software. This is such a great place to work! >> >> You sneak in a Wilson Benesch Full Circle when the boss is out of the >> building all day long to a NASCAR event with friends. >> >> On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 8:13 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >> >>> A custom program that 'declicks, denoises, EQ and Dyanamic processing'? >>> That usually stuff that's subject of phsycho-acoustics and patented >>> algorithms. Either you are kidding us or your boss is loaded! How do you >>> 'sneak' in a WB Full Circle? >>> >>> Bala >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* Julie Kessler >>> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> *Sent:* Sat, June 4, 2011 9:15:57 AM >>> >>> *Subject:* Re: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico >>> >>> Hi! >>> >>> That's a great answer. I guess I was being literal and answering how to >>> transfer LPs with Audacity. We have Audacity, but it's only used for >>> training purposes, the software we actually use to make digital archive >>> recordings is custom-programmed and it declicks, denoises, applies EQ and >>> dynamics processing, various enhancers and then splits the LP into separate >>> song tracks all in one pass so it's really efficient; with all the records >>> we archive we wouldn't get anything done with Audacity or typical software. >>> >>> >>> Kermit, Dave and Paul try to do as much EQ, click and denoising with >>> hardware instead of software. We have two hardware declickers and five >>> hardware denoisers and our preamp can EQ any record ever made correctly and >>> compensate for wear and non-standard EQ curves. That way the software >>> doesn't have much to do. You're really right about cleaning first, and the >>> guys use the VPI machine to clean the record as good as possible. As far as >>> styli, Kermit has a place in England make us a set of 30 different styli >>> with all sorts of different sizes and shapes to fit the groove as good as >>> can be to reduce noise and wear for the Stanton 681EEE to play 78's right >>> and 5 different styli for LP's and 45's that fit the Ortofon VMS-20 + 2 >>> custom styli for the Shure V-15 Type III which is Kermit's favorite. The >>> turntable we use has a straightline tonearm and it moves like the original >>> cutter did; all three guys modified the turntable to the max and I bet >>> Rabco/Harmon-Kardon wouldn't recognize its insides. >>> >>> I can always tell which of the guys did the re-recordig job. Paul tends >>> to use nothing but the hardware and won't use any software processing, and >>> he'll sweat bullts getting the settings right. Kermit uses both software and >>> hardware and tends to process very little, just the really bad pops and >>> noise, but he gets really into the EQ and often uses dynamic range expanders >>> to undo overcompression, which I think is his pet peeve. Dave just goes all >>> hog wild and kills all the pops and ticks and noise and just like gets every >>> processor to the max -- and I swear, by the time he's done he's made the LP >>> sound like a CD (I think he goes overboard with it all). I >>> >>> t's really fun as an intern for me to watch the 3 of them get into >>> arguments over how much processing a record needs. It's culture clash set to >>> music. You have Kermit with his 1970's studio thing, then Paul is all into >>> (how to say it?) "phono culture". Paul learned audio in the late 1980's and >>> I've caught him sneaking his Wilson Benesch Full Circle turntable in and >>> using it instead of our modifed Rabco. Dave's the youngest, he was trained >>> in 2001 at a ProTools studio and just wants to process everything to be as >>> noiseless as can be. The 3 guys never agree on anything to do with >>> turntables and records but it's really coo that they get along like >>> brothers! This really, really, isn't a boring place to work! >>> >>> >>> My turntable has a Rek-O-Kut Micropoise tonearm that Paul modified, and I >>> have one of Kermit's modified Shure V-15 Type IV cartridges. Awesome sound. >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 6:56 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >>> >>>> I suppose he was asking about his oldies on tape. >>>> >>>> Having said that, click and noise removal is something best done at the >>>> source level for records. Starting with a clean record,is an absolute >>>> essential. A good high-end cartridge with a good stylus profile greatly >>>> reduces noise and clicks by sitting well within the groove. Most earlier >>>> cartridge profiles do not do this and are influenced by the surface >>>> condition of the record. Surprisingly, the grooves rarely get damaged unless >>>> the record is played with a chipped or worn stylus, or if the record has >>>> bubbles or 'kink warps'. But I have seen good unipivot arms play warped >>>> records pretty well. If they are still there, leave it. Trying to correct >>>> clicks and pops ends rarely leaves the quality of the rest of the track >>>> unmolested. >>>> >>>> With a good set-up, records that were thought to click and pop badly >>>> came up absolutely quiet - so quiet you can hear the stop and start of the >>>> hiss of the master tape in between tracks. Boxes, devices and kludges best >>>> remain in museums. >>>> >>>> I envy you working for a great boss. >>>> >>>> Bala >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From:* Julie Kessler >>>> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> *Sent:* Fri, June 3, 2011 12:31:27 PM >>>> *Subject:* Re: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico >>>> >>>> Rodrigo, >>>> >>>> The procedure we use here goes like this: >>>> >>>> 1. Record the disc into the software. >>>> 2. Next, choose "Click Removal." Highlight all of the audio file >>>> waveform (i.e., "select the audio file" as a shorthand term for this) for >>>> processing. The default setting works okay, but you may have to Undo and >>>> retry a few times to get the best results. "Click removal" seems to work >>>> best before EQing for the record characteristic EQ. >>>> 3. If you don't have an equalized preamp, apply EQ using the software. >>>> Select all of the audio file for processing. Audacity has several record EQs >>>> listed under "Effect...Equalization." >>>> 4. Choose whichever EQ matches the disc. You can tweak the EQ >>>> graphically to correct for worn or off-standard discs. >>>> 5. Next, choose "Noise Removal." Delesect the file. Select a small part >>>> of the file where there is silence between tracks. Click "Get Noise >>>> Profile." Now, select the whole audio file and choose "Noise Removal" again. >>>> This time just click OK. The default setting works okay, but you may have to >>>> Undo and retry a few times to get the best results. >>>> 6. Now, listen to the whole audio file and when you get to silence >>>> between tracks highlight the silence between tracks and choose "Insert >>>> Silence." >>>> 7. Finally, go back and "cut up" the file into separate tracks by >>>> highlighting the waveform of the song and go to File..Export Selection." >>>> Name the file accordingly and choose the appropriate file formats to match >>>> what you want to do with the files. >>>> >>>> We recommend against using the Normalize or Compressor effects because >>>> they can really hurt the sound of your transfer but you can use them if you >>>> think they sound good, of course. >>>> >>>> I hope this helps! >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 7:11 AM, Rodrigo Krause < >>>> rkrause at multiplan.com.br> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Bala, >>>>> Would you mind sharing with us how you are doing this? I'm starting to >>>>> look up how to put my wonderful "olies" ontape into digital. >>>>> I'd much appreciate any inputs. >>>>> Thank you in advance for any info you may share. >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> Rodrigo >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> *De*: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >>>>> *Para*: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>> *Enviada em*: Wed Jun 01 22:38:15 2011 >>>>> *Assunto*: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving >>>>> >>>>> I am archiving many old and rare tape recordings onto digital now. >>>>> After much trials, I managed to get the right format and setup that gives >>>>> ticks all the boxes in terms of a digital format. It is a tedious task, but >>>>> one that may be very important for posterity. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Bala >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> *From:* fripp_em >>>>> *To:* naktalk at naks.com >>>>> *Sent:* Thu, June 2, 2011 7:11:31 AM >>>>> *Subject:* [naktalk] LP archiving >>>>> >>>>> I seem to remember there was someone on naktalk (West of the >>>>> Mississippi) who did professional transfers of cassette and LP collections >>>>> to digital? I can't remember who that was but I know someone who wants to >>>>> do this with a large collection of LPs (I guess some are rare). If it was >>>>> one or two records I'd consider it, but it's not my career:-) Anyone >>>>> remember who that was? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> David >>>>> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>> Maintain your account here: >>>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> >>>>> Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes privilegiadas e/ou >>>>> de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem autorizacao do >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> remetente. >>>>> >>>>> Portanto, se voce recebeu esta mensagem por engano, por favor, nos informe >>>>> respondendo imediatamente a este e-mail e em seguida apague-a. >>>>> >>>>> A empresa MULTIPLAN nao se responsabiliza por conclusoes, opinioes, ou outras >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> informacoes nesta mensagem que nao se relacionem com sua linha de negocios. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>> Maintain your account here: >>>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> -- Julie Kessler >>>> juliek at kvglabs.com >>>> Artist Development Executive >>>> KVG Laboratories >>>> I Found The Sound! 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URL: From juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com Mon Jun 6 21:18:34 2011 From: juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com (Julie Kessler) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 14:18:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving In-Reply-To: <0LMC00KWP0DTTN30@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> References: <272692.69932.qm@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <539442.97382.qm@web160619.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <106824.92525.qm@web160603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <483776.35120.qm@web160608.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <71760.6539.qm@web160608.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <0LMC00KWP0DTTN30@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: Hi Roland, Thanks for the sweet message, you're right. When I first started my training I never knew that a Nakamichi cassette deck would be such a great learning tool, but now that I have one I still learn things about audio with it. The first thing Kermit taught all of us interns was that to become a success you have to at some point develop your own unique style. You start out imitating something existing while you learn, but at some point you have to develop your own unique magic, if you will. That's why we're encouraged to seek as many answers from as many other sources as we can find, then listen, try, and decide what is best for our unique sound and listening tastes. That's why I feel so blessed, because Kermit doesn't have that "I'm right, all others are wrong" ego that I see lots of other people have. He's always glad to share and explain (with demos) his experience and his thinking, but then he always says something like, "You've heard my opinion, now go get other opinions, try them all and decide for yourself." I often see he, Paul and Dave disagree on things, but it never gets personal and as long as the customer's happy, Kermit's okay with any approach we take, even if it isn't his approach. Awesome! * * * * * * * I really, really appreciate everyone taking their time to give me all sorts of great advice and opinions. Now I have a good list of cassette decks to go out and find and listen to, so maybe sometime soon I'll have a 2nd cassette deck I love as much as my Nak 550. On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 2:20 PM, goodguy wrote: > I think most people would give a proverbial left eye to have the > experiences you are getting Julie. > > I'm up there in my years but had a wonderful career and was able to work > with some very talented people. > > Kermit is the best for transferring his knowledge to others and your are > certainly holding your own. > > Kudos! > > > > At 02:34 PM 6/5/2011, you wrote: > > Well, Bala, the answer to your questions is -- 1.) it's none of my business > or yours whether he attends NASCAR races. 2.) I don't think he's posting > much anywhere and I know he's working on some really cool prototypes on top > of other things, so I think he probably chooses to spend his free time doing > things offline to really get away from work and relax. Why don't you ask him > why he's not posting anywhere? 3. I did indeed ask him the same questions, > along with Paul and Dave, and got great answers. But I also asked here to > get different perspectives and more info. > > By the way, the first variable record equalizers were made by Westrex, RCA, > Fairchild, Presto, and others in the 1940's and 1950's; I've browsed our > tech library a lot and found mention of variable record EQ as far back as > 1927. Cool. > > One thing I've enjoyed working for Kermit is the "How It Was Done" lectures > every other Friday where he leads us interns through one of his designs > while building it all the while explaining all the decisions and criteria > that went into the equipment's design, usually with a Nak 500 to make > before/after comparison tapes for us to hear as a way of explaining things. > In other words, he explains the whole design process from concept to final > design, every step of the way. I wish you and everyone on the list should > attend one of those demonstrations and lectures, it's awesome. (I've > suggested making podcasts of these lectures.) So I don't know where you come > up with the bizarre notion that either he or Sony don't know what they're > doing. Man, he, Dave and Paul definitely know what they're doing! > > On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 10:36 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra > wrote: > Julie, > > The question we all have for you is why Kermit, who is fit to attend Nascar > races, isn't posting on Naktalk. Where is he, and why is he not answering > your below questions? > > The answer to your questions would be to speak to Dr Huber, and read his > papers for a start. Also, read on the design of the McIntosh C-8, which was > one of the first variable record equalizer available in the market. Today, > KAB Acoustics makes some affordable units that help tackle this problems as > well. Make some thing to drink for yourself, and two ice-teas which is > Kermit's favorite drink. Put the second one in the fridge is his listening > room, and have a good talk with him - he is a very knowledgeable guy who > sometimes hasn't a clue why he is doing what he is doing. Just like Sony. > > Bala > > > From: Julie Kessler < juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com> > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Sun, June 5, 2011 7:28:56 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving > > Hi, > > I have a question about this for all of you. I know what the guys here in > the studio say on the topic, but I just wanted some of you guys' thoughts. > As I understand it, FM Acoustics "linearization" is really just variable EQ, > which is a great thing (one of our phono preamps has variable EQ & the other > has 12 EQ curves with a program EQ to compensate). So the idea is to get the > EQ as close to perfect, while correcting for record wear, deviations from > the standard EQ during cutting and the influence of cartridge frequency > response on playback EQ accuracy (the cartridge's frequency response will > cause the playback to differ from textbook perfect EQ, right?). I have > learned that altering the record's reproduce EQ sounds really different than > trying to use tone controls to correct. It sounds better, I think. > > So here's my questions: > > 1. Sometimes a record mastering engineer tweaks the record EQ as a way of > correcting for something in the record and/or just because he/she thinks it > sounds better. So why should we be undoing what the mastering engineer did, > unless the answer is we like the sound better. > > 2. Unless you're correcting by ear, how can you know what the deviation > from textbook playback EQ is, plus deviations made by the mastering > engineer,, plus changes caused by record wear and all the other things? > Even if you have the precise calibration standard used by the studio that > cut the original record master, there's really no way to know for sure. So > you really have to do this all by ear, right? So then you can run into the > trap of also EQing for your speakers, your cartridge, your own listening > tastes., the room sound and a whole bunch of other things. > > I've been having the most problems learning how to get EQ right, there > seems to be no absolute way to know what "correct" is unless you just make > assumptions or have a whole bunch of calibration things, and even then that > strill seems like ust being arbitrary to me. > > Or am I just being way too blonde about all of this? > > On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Rick Hils wrote: > Bala, > Thanks for telling me about Dr. Manuel Huber. He is, no doubt, a brilliant > engineer. I'll try using a variable EQ set at an octave width, a 5 db gain, > and sweep some freq. ranges. > And I'll try to find some of Dr. Huber's material. > -Regards, Rick > > > ------------------------------ > Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 06:20:54 -0700 > > From: bg3009 at yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Hi Rick, > > I respect your way of doing things. I always felt similar until I attended > a talk by FM Acoustics' founder Dr. Huber who demonstrated to us the > importance of variable EQ. Even slight modulations in the standard RIAA > curve, as you might know, brings immense difference in the sound quality. > Even 70s pop records that sounded compressed sounded much livelier and > bigger thanks to a more accurate reproduction curve. Correct cart loading > (which you have mentioned), and correct record playback linearization are > two things that are so important and yet overlooked with such regularity > listeners do not know what they are missing out. > > Regards, > Bala > > From: Rick Hils > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Sat, June 4, 2011 9:07:55 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] LP archiving > > Bala, > I don't have the knowledge to test and to, therefore, report any findings. > I will say that when I use my Shure V15 III cartridge with my Concept > receiver, the results are very good. The Concept receivers use a phono input > impedance of 50k, which is appropriate for the Shure V15. As long as I am > hearing enough detail in the mid to upper mid-range, then I am happy. I'm > not so concerned about whether or not the low end goes down to 30 or 20 hz. > As far as computer wave editing goes, I try to avoid tweaking the wav file > too much. I prefer to leave the phasing characteristics of the original > unaltered. I also feel that light surface noise from the original LP is > better left alone. Much better to hear it all than to muffle any of the > highs. > -Regards, Rick > > > ------------------------------ > Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 04:58:38 -0700 > From: bg3009 at yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Hi Rick, > > I suppose that term comes as a translation from the Swiss guys. I was > asking more specifically about how you control cartridge loading and > playback curve of the records you transcribe. > > Bala > > "What You didn't see, you didn't know" > > > From: Rick Hils > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Fri, June 3, 2011 5:21:06 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] LP archiving > > Bala, > You ask what type of "phono linearization" do I use? Well, that could cover > lots of things starting from the tone arm tracking and then on to the RIAA > phono eq fidelity in my Concept receiver and then on to the impedance match > between the receiver outputs and the E-MU A/D converter inputs. To be fair, > I haven't checked the linearity of my RCA phono cables lately so that might > be what you are asking about. I don't know. The anti-skate on my tone arm > may be set a quarter of a gram off. > But the art of vinyl record reproduction has and always will be a > compromise of imperfections. We all make reasonable attempts to achieve the > best sound, and that means to our own ears as well as what the test > equipment shows. For me, the two most important issues are the musicality of > the phono cartridge and the clear sound of the playback speakers. What > counts is that we get enjoyment from listening. > Regards- Rick > > ------------------------------ > Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 07:33:43 -0700 > From: bg3009 at yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Hi Rick, > > What type of phono linearization do you use? > > Regards, > Bala > > > From: Rick Hils > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 12:14:48 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] LP archiving > > If you want, give them my name. I can make very nice transfers. I use a > Thorens TD 145 with Shure V15 III and I also have a Lenco heavy platter > table than has infinite speed adjust from 16 rpm to 78 rpm. I can either go > straight into my E-MU 96/24 convertor or first into my Nak BX-300 and then > to the DAC. > The situation is that I am close to the 91601 zip code (Los Angeles area) > and can possibly pick up the records myself. I would do one record side to > see if it meets with your friends needs. > Rick > email: rhils at hotmail.com > > > Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 14:11:31 -0700 > > From: fripp_em at yahoo.com > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving > > > > I seem to remember there was someone on naktalk (West of the Mississippi) > who did professional transfers of cassette and LP collections to digital? I > can't remember who that was but I know someone who wants to do this with a > large collection of LPs (I guess some are rare). If it was one or two > records I'd consider it, but it's not my career:-) Anyone remember who that > was? > > > > Thanks, > > David > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! > http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! > http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > -- > -- Julie Kessler > juliek at kvglabs.com > Artist Development Executive > KVG Laboratories > I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered > http://www.kvglabs.com > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > -- > -- Julie Kessler > juliek at kvglabs.com > Artist Development Executive > KVG Laboratories > I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered > http://www.kvglabs.com > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Roland > > When momentum meets resistance, push harder. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! 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Time to finalize my list of cassette decks to shop for and listen to. I hope I'll have my 2nd cassette deck soon. On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Martin Short wrote: > Julie, > > I'm sure Kermit has the answer for you, but if you don't want to bother him > then take a visit to Scott's incredibly useful site, www.nakremotes.com , > go to the Nakfaq and scroll down to the section on *IEC1976 & IEC1981*... > > Of the decks you mention, I would take the Tandberg TCD440 first, Revox > second, but if you can snare the Beocord 9000 for a song, then why not? > and go have a play with it... it has some interesting features... > > cheers, > > M > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Julie Kessler > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Sunday, June 05, 2011 2:46 PM > *Subject:* [naktalk] Cassette deck advice sought. > > Hello All, > > I'm getting ready to buy my second cassette deck and need some advice. I > love my Nakamichi 550, but tapes I make on it don't sound right on my > friends' cassettes, because Nakamichi 550's don't use the same EQ as other > brands (do I have that right?). So, all I can do if I want to share is have > my friends bring their recorder by and copy to their cassette. Right now I'm > borrowing a friend's Pioneer CT-F1000, and it's actually pretty good but not > as detailed as my Nakamichi 550 > > So here's my questions: > > Which Nakamichi's have the same EQ as everyone else, or all they all > non-standard? IF one of the Nakamichi's have standard EQ, which is the most > neutral sounding? I'd like to match the "feel" of the sound of my Revox A77 > Mk. III Dolby as close as possible, if that makes any sense. > > If no Nakamichi has standard EQ, then I'm trying to decide between these > cassette decks -- Revox B710 Mk. II, Tandberg TCD-440, or Bang & Olufsen > 9000 (I know where I can get a B&O 9000 really cheap, about the same cost as > a pair of Flip-Flops). > > Thanks for all your advice! > > -- Julie Kessler > juliek at kvglabs.com > Artist Development Executive > KVG Laboratories > I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered > http://www.kvglabs.com > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered http://www.kvglabs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Mon Jun 6 21:33:32 2011 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 13:33:32 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] LP arcaico In-Reply-To: References: <530049.21163.qm@web160616.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40338E0F8@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br> <514037.18583.qm@web160611.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <54853.318.qm@web160617.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <874940.97038.qm@web160601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <480209.48017.qm@web160614.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000f01cc2480$9eb7a0f0$dc26e2d0$@math.utah.edu> Should this be a private conversation? Do we need a moderator? Mediator? From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Julie Kessler Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 1:03 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico Bala, your comments makes no sense. Seriously. It's a shame you can't accept the success we've been having, but I guess that's your problem. I have to laugh at your comment, because the web site shows all sorts of innovations, and as new products come out of the lab they get added -- and start selling. There's nothing secretive other than things like proprietary formulae, design methods and so on, just like every other company has. Good grief, all the sound samples, all the product photos, and all the products we have that no one else has: Counterpoise and Varipoise transformers, Varivox speakers, EVAS, BLISS, and many others. Sorry if this comes off snarky, but you're just going have to get over this weird obsession you have with this mythical secrecy, and accept that Kermit, me, and everyone else is being quite successful. "Only passion stands the test of time" sounds good, but I've had a minor in business admin and that isn't always true. But my mom has known Kermit since 1978, and if anyone has passion for sound and music, he has -- and it's why he's still selling amplifiers and so way many other things all these decades later that he first designed in the 1970s. Oh, and I spent a lot of time going through the message archives. There are so many messages where you really tear down and defame people, and those people come back and disprove your accusations. I see through your messages very well, and this round of messages with you is really both truly bizarre and sort of disturbing. Sorry, Bala, you just don't know what you're talking about on this topic, and your baseless criticisms are empty air to my ears. My last word to you, ever, is that I find it very telling (and it really speaks to your character) that you're the only one of Kermit's friends who isn't really excited to see the success and growth, and instead go out of your way to create controversy and accusation where none exists, inventing conspiracies and all sorts of really freaky stuff to try to dispute the success that everyone else who knows Kermit sees and accepts as th efact that it is. On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 10:58 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Julie, I am not going to get into an argument here with you or anyone else; but here and on the website all we see are words. There has been absolutely nothing on the website or anywhere else about all this innovation going on. Leica, Porshe and other secretive manufacturers have opened up their plants - heck even Area 51 pictures about the A-12 recon plane being tested have been opened up. So what is in it for being so secretive? I am sure lots of prospective customers would want to see with their eyes. Stuff has been circulating and every email that you send only adds more weight to what a lot of people here have suspected. I am just asking the questions because some of them have been asking me, and I don't know! If you want to question attitudes, then you are questioning the attitude of lots of people here. So take it easy. I am not one of those who tear others down; People have tried to tear me down, but I stand here today backed by many, many encouraging messages from Naktalkers who see through my emails. Affluence, money and status can buy many things, but only passion stands the test of time. _____ From: Julie Kessler To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Mon, June 6, 2011 4:18:41 AM Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico I'm rolling my eyes, Bala. Oh brother, why do you have to have such an attitude? By the way, that's all I see out of you and everyone else is "words words words" but so what? I don't appreciate you implying that I'm a liar. You're really out of line. You don't work here, but I do, so you truly don't know what you're talking about. I always appreciate new and different opinions, but I think the group is best served if you keep your innuendos and character besmirching to yourself and speak on what you actually have firsthand knowledge about. Sorry to be snippy, but really, who do you think you are making statements like that about a business you know nothing about and about situations you know nothing about? I've noticed this is a growing trend on Internet forums -- people makig blanket condemnations or criticisms about things they haven't seen or heard. I think it's just that some people think they way they can live people up is by tearing someone else down. I hope you're not that petty, but so far from what you're showing me about yourself.... On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 10:13 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hmm..seeing is believing. So far none of us has seen anything except words, words and more words. _____ From: Julie Kessler To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sun, June 5, 2011 5:28:13 AM Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico Bala, Kermit hired some programmers to write the custom software for us. I imagine it was expensive but I don't know, and I can't say about how the software works, but it's pretty amazing to watch. Yes indeed, the boss is loaded because the business has been really successful the last year or so. It's inspiring to me to see how hard work and out-of-the-box ideas can pay off, and how old gear like Nakamichi cassettes can still be really useful in a modern studio. From what everyone's been telling me, the secret to Kermit's success has always been having unique, custom made equipment, including software. This is such a great place to work! You sneak in a Wilson Benesch Full Circle when the boss is out of the building all day long to a NASCAR event with friends. On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 8:13 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: A custom program that 'declicks, denoises, EQ and Dyanamic processing'? That usually stuff that's subject of phsycho-acoustics and patented algorithms. Either you are kidding us or your boss is loaded! How do you 'sneak' in a WB Full Circle? Bala _____ From: Julie Kessler To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sat, June 4, 2011 9:15:57 AM Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico Hi! That's a great answer. I guess I was being literal and answering how to transfer LPs with Audacity. We have Audacity, but it's only used for training purposes, the software we actually use to make digital archive recordings is custom-programmed and it declicks, denoises, applies EQ and dynamics processing, various enhancers and then splits the LP into separate song tracks all in one pass so it's really efficient; with all the records we archive we wouldn't get anything done with Audacity or typical software. Kermit, Dave and Paul try to do as much EQ, click and denoising with hardware instead of software. We have two hardware declickers and five hardware denoisers and our preamp can EQ any record ever made correctly and compensate for wear and non-standard EQ curves. That way the software doesn't have much to do. You're really right about cleaning first, and the guys use the VPI machine to clean the record as good as possible. As far as styli, Kermit has a place in England make us a set of 30 different styli with all sorts of different sizes and shapes to fit the groove as good as can be to reduce noise and wear for the Stanton 681EEE to play 78's right and 5 different styli for LP's and 45's that fit the Ortofon VMS-20 + 2 custom styli for the Shure V-15 Type III which is Kermit's favorite. The turntable we use has a straightline tonearm and it moves like the original cutter did; all three guys modified the turntable to the max and I bet Rabco/Harmon-Kardon wouldn't recognize its insides. I can always tell which of the guys did the re-recordig job. Paul tends to use nothing but the hardware and won't use any software processing, and he'll sweat bullts getting the settings right. Kermit uses both software and hardware and tends to process very little, just the really bad pops and noise, but he gets really into the EQ and often uses dynamic range expanders to undo overcompression, which I think is his pet peeve. Dave just goes all hog wild and kills all the pops and ticks and noise and just like gets every processor to the max -- and I swear, by the time he's done he's made the LP sound like a CD (I think he goes overboard with it all). I t's really fun as an intern for me to watch the 3 of them get into arguments over how much processing a record needs. It's culture clash set to music. You have Kermit with his 1970's studio thing, then Paul is all into (how to say it?) "phono culture". Paul learned audio in the late 1980's and I've caught him sneaking his Wilson Benesch Full Circle turntable in and using it instead of our modifed Rabco. Dave's the youngest, he was trained in 2001 at a ProTools studio and just wants to process everything to be as noiseless as can be. The 3 guys never agree on anything to do with turntables and records but it's really coo that they get along like brothers! This really, really, isn't a boring place to work! My turntable has a Rek-O-Kut Micropoise tonearm that Paul modified, and I have one of Kermit's modified Shure V-15 Type IV cartridges. Awesome sound. On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 6:56 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: I suppose he was asking about his oldies on tape. Having said that, click and noise removal is something best done at the source level for records. Starting with a clean record,is an absolute essential. A good high-end cartridge with a good stylus profile greatly reduces noise and clicks by sitting well within the groove. Most earlier cartridge profiles do not do this and are influenced by the surface condition of the record. Surprisingly, the grooves rarely get damaged unless the record is played with a chipped or worn stylus, or if the record has bubbles or 'kink warps'. But I have seen good unipivot arms play warped records pretty well. If they are still there, leave it. Trying to correct clicks and pops ends rarely leaves the quality of the rest of the track unmolested. With a good set-up, records that were thought to click and pop badly came up absolutely quiet - so quiet you can hear the stop and start of the hiss of the master tape in between tracks. Boxes, devices and kludges best remain in museums. I envy you working for a great boss. Bala _____ From: Julie Kessler To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Fri, June 3, 2011 12:31:27 PM Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico Rodrigo, The procedure we use here goes like this: 1. Record the disc into the software. 2. Next, choose "Click Removal." Highlight all of the audio file waveform (i.e., "select the audio file" as a shorthand term for this) for processing. The default setting works okay, but you may have to Undo and retry a few times to get the best results. "Click removal" seems to work best before EQing for the record characteristic EQ. 3. If you don't have an equalized preamp, apply EQ using the software. Select all of the audio file for processing. Audacity has several record EQs listed under "Effect...Equalization." 4. Choose whichever EQ matches the disc. You can tweak the EQ graphically to correct for worn or off-standard discs. 5. Next, choose "Noise Removal." Delesect the file. Select a small part of the file where there is silence between tracks. Click "Get Noise Profile." Now, select the whole audio file and choose "Noise Removal" again. This time just click OK. The default setting works okay, but you may have to Undo and retry a few times to get the best results. 6. Now, listen to the whole audio file and when you get to silence between tracks highlight the silence between tracks and choose "Insert Silence." 7. Finally, go back and "cut up" the file into separate tracks by highlighting the waveform of the song and go to File..Export Selection." Name the file accordingly and choose the appropriate file formats to match what you want to do with the files. We recommend against using the Normalize or Compressor effects because they can really hurt the sound of your transfer but you can use them if you think they sound good, of course. I hope this helps! On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 7:11 AM, Rodrigo Krause wrote: Hi Bala, Would you mind sharing with us how you are doing this? I'm starting to look up how to put my wonderful "olies" ontape into digital. I'd much appreciate any inputs. Thank you in advance for any info you may share. Best regards, Rodrigo _____ De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Enviada em: Wed Jun 01 22:38:15 2011 Assunto: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving I am archiving many old and rare tape recordings onto digital now. After much trials, I managed to get the right format and setup that gives ticks all the boxes in terms of a digital format. It is a tedious task, but one that may be very important for posterity. Regards, Bala _____ From: fripp_em To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 7:11:31 AM Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving I seem to remember there was someone on naktalk (West of the Mississippi) who did professional transfers of cassette and LP collections to digital? I can't remember who that was but I know someone who wants to do this with a large collection of LPs (I guess some are rare). If it was one or two records I'd consider it, but it's not my career:-) Anyone remember who that was? Thanks, David ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes privilegiadas e/ou de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem autorizacao do remetente. Portanto, se voce recebeu esta mensagem por engano, por favor, nos informe respondendo imediatamente a este e-mail e em seguida apague-a. 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URL: From juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com Mon Jun 6 22:40:25 2011 From: juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com (Julie Kessler) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 15:40:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving In-Reply-To: <254419.27194.qm@web160614.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <272692.69932.qm@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <539442.97382.qm@web160619.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <106824.92525.qm@web160603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <483776.35120.qm@web160608.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <71760.6539.qm@web160608.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <254419.27194.qm@web160614.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: LOL! OMG, you really are determined to imply things aren't you? Words, words, words, Bala, just more empty words from you. Please stop this bizarre thing you're doing. On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 10:10 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Thats great. Because a lot of people who kept nagging me with offline > emails should now have their answers conclusive. Thanks Kermit, oops Julie! > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Julie Kessler > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Mon, June 6, 2011 4:34:06 AM > > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] LP archiving > > Well, Bala, the answer to your questions is -- 1.) it's none of my business > or yours whether he attends NASCAR races. 2.) I don't think he's posting > much anywhere and I know he's working on some really cool prototypes on top > of other things, so I think he probably chooses to spend his free time doing > things offline to really get away from work and relax. Why don't you ask him > why he's not posting anywhere? 3. I did indeed ask him the same questions, > along with Paul and Dave, and got great answers. But I also asked here to > get different perspectives and more info. > > By the way, the first variable record equalizers were made by Westrex, RCA, > Fairchild, Presto, and others in the 1940's and 1950's; I've browsed our > tech library a lot and found mention of variable record EQ as far back as > 1927. Cool. > > One thing I've enjoyed working for Kermit is the "How It Was Done" lectures > every other Friday where he leads us interns through one of his designs > while building it all the while explaining all the decisions and criteria > that went into the equipment's design, usually with a Nak 500 to make > before/after comparison tapes for us to hear as a way of explaining things. > In other words, he explains the whole design process from concept to final > design, every step of the way. I wish you and everyone on the list should > attend one of those demonstrations and lectures, it's awesome. (I've > suggested making podcasts of these lectures.) So I don't know where you come > up with the bizarre notion that either he or Sony don't know what they're > doing. Man, he, Dave and Paul definitely know what they're doing! > > On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 10:36 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > >> Julie, >> >> The question we all have for you is why Kermit, who is fit to attend >> Nascar races, isn't posting on Naktalk. Where is he, and why is he not >> answering your below questions? >> >> The answer to your questions would be to speak to Dr Huber, and read his >> papers for a start. Also, read on the design of the McIntosh C-8, which was >> one of the first variable record equalizer available in the market. Today, >> KAB Acoustics makes some affordable units that help tackle this problems as >> well. Make some thing to drink for yourself, and two ice-teas which is >> Kermit's favorite drink. Put the second one in the fridge is his listening >> room, and have a good talk with him - he is a very knowledgeable guy who >> sometimes hasn't a clue why he is doing what he is doing. Just like Sony. >> >> Bala >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Julie Kessler >> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> *Sent:* Sun, June 5, 2011 7:28:56 AM >> >> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] LP archiving >> >> Hi, >> >> I have a question about this for all of you. I know what the guys here in >> the studio say on the topic, but I just wanted some of you guys' thoughts. >> As I understand it, FM Acoustics "linearization" is really just variable EQ, >> which is a great thing (one of our phono preamps has variable EQ & the other >> has 12 EQ curves with a program EQ to compensate). So the idea is to get the >> EQ as close to perfect, while correcting for record wear, deviations from >> the standard EQ during cutting and the influence of cartridge frequency >> response on playback EQ accuracy (the cartridge's frequency response will >> cause the playback to differ from textbook perfect EQ, right?). I have >> learned that altering the record's reproduce EQ sounds really different than >> trying to use tone controls to correct. It sounds better, I think. >> >> So here's my questions: >> >> 1. Sometimes a record mastering engineer tweaks the record EQ as a way of >> correcting for something in the record and/or just because he/she thinks it >> sounds better. So why should we be undoing what the mastering engineer did, >> unless the answer is we like the sound better. >> >> 2. Unless you're correcting by ear, how can you know what the deviation >> from textbook playback EQ is, plus deviations made by the mastering >> engineer,, plus changes caused by record wear and all the other things? >> Even if you have the precise calibration standard used by the studio that >> cut the original record master, there's really no way to know for sure. So >> you really have to do this all by ear, right? So then you can run into the >> trap of also EQing for your speakers, your cartridge, your own listening >> tastes., the room sound and a whole bunch of other things. >> >> I've been having the most problems learning how to get EQ right, there >> seems to be no absolute way to know what "correct" is unless you just make >> assumptions or have a whole bunch of calibration things, and even then that >> strill seems like ust being arbitrary to me. >> >> Or am I just being way too blonde about all of this? >> >> On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Rick Hils wrote: >> >>> Bala, >>> Thanks for telling me about Dr. Manuel Huber. He is, no doubt, a >>> brilliant engineer. I'll try using a variable EQ set at an octave width, a 5 >>> db gain, and sweep some freq. ranges. >>> And I'll try to find some of Dr. Huber's material. >>> -Regards, Rick >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 06:20:54 -0700 >>> >>> From: bg3009 at yahoo.com >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving >>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>> >>> Hi Rick, >>> >>> I respect your way of doing things. I always felt similar until I >>> attended a talk by FM Acoustics' founder Dr. Huber who demonstrated to us >>> the importance of variable EQ. Even slight modulations in the standard RIAA >>> curve, as you might know, brings immense difference in the sound quality. >>> Even 70s pop records that sounded compressed sounded much livelier and >>> bigger thanks to a more accurate reproduction curve. Correct cart loading >>> (which you have mentioned), and correct record playback linearization are >>> two things that are so important and yet overlooked with such regularity >>> listeners do not know what they are missing out. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Bala >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* Rick Hils >>> *To:* naktalk at naks.com >>> *Sent:* Sat, June 4, 2011 9:07:55 AM >>> *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] LP archiving >>> >>> Bala, >>> I don't have the knowledge to test and to, therefore, report any >>> findings. I will say that when I use my Shure V15 III cartridge with my >>> Concept receiver, the results are very good. The Concept receivers use a >>> phono input impedance of 50k, which is appropriate for the Shure V15. As >>> long as I am hearing enough detail in the mid to upper mid-range, then I am >>> happy. I'm not so concerned about whether or not the low end goes down to 30 >>> or 20 hz. >>> As far as computer wave editing goes, I try to avoid tweaking the wav >>> file too much. I prefer to leave the phasing characteristics of the original >>> unaltered. I also feel that light surface noise from the original LP is >>> better left alone. Much better to hear it all than to muffle any of the >>> highs. >>> -Regards, Rick >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 04:58:38 -0700 >>> From: bg3009 at yahoo.com >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving >>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>> >>> Hi Rick, >>> >>> I suppose that term comes as a translation from the Swiss guys. I was >>> asking more specifically about how you control cartridge loading and >>> playback curve of the records you transcribe. >>> >>> Bala >>> >>> "What You didn't see, you didn't know" >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* Rick Hils >>> *To:* naktalk at naks.com >>> *Sent:* Fri, June 3, 2011 5:21:06 AM >>> *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] LP archiving >>> >>> Bala, >>> You ask what type of "phono linearization" do I use? Well, that could >>> cover lots of things starting from the tone arm tracking and then on to the >>> RIAA phono eq fidelity in my Concept receiver and then on to the impedance >>> match between the receiver outputs and the E-MU A/D converter inputs. To be >>> fair, I haven't checked the linearity of my RCA phono cables lately so that >>> might be what you are asking about. I don't know. The anti-skate on my tone >>> arm may be set a quarter of a gram off. >>> But the art of vinyl record reproduction has and always will be a >>> compromise of imperfections. We all make reasonable attempts to achieve the >>> best sound, and that means to our own ears as well as what the test >>> equipment shows. For me, the two most important issues are the musicality of >>> the phono cartridge and the clear sound of the playback speakers. What >>> counts is that we get enjoyment from listening. >>> Regards- Rick >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 07:33:43 -0700 >>> From: bg3009 at yahoo.com >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving >>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>> >>> Hi Rick, >>> >>> What type of phono linearization do you use? >>> >>> Regards, >>> Bala >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* Rick Hils >>> *To:* naktalk at naks.com >>> *Sent:* Thu, June 2, 2011 12:14:48 PM >>> *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] LP archiving >>> >>> If you want, give them my name. I can make very nice transfers. I use a >>> Thorens TD 145 with Shure V15 III and I also have a Lenco heavy platter >>> table than has infinite speed adjust from 16 rpm to 78 rpm. I can either go >>> straight into my E-MU 96/24 convertor or first into my Nak BX-300 and then >>> to the DAC. >>> The situation is that I am close to the 91601 zip code (Los Angeles area) >>> and can possibly pick up the records myself. I would do one record side to >>> see if it meets with your friends needs. >>> Rick >>> email: rhils at hotmail.com >>> >>> > Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 14:11:31 -0700 >>> > From: fripp_em at yahoo.com >>> > To: naktalk at naks.com >>> > Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving >>> > >>> > I seem to remember there was someone on naktalk (West of the >>> Mississippi) who did professional transfers of cassette and LP collections >>> to digital? I can't remember who that was but I know someone who wants to do >>> this with a large collection of LPs (I guess some are rare). If it was one >>> or two records I'd consider it, but it's not my career:-) Anyone remember >>> who that was? >>> > >>> > Thanks, >>> > David >>> > >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> > >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> > Maintain your account here: >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> > >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! >>> http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! >>> http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> -- Julie Kessler >> juliek at kvglabs.com >> Artist Development Executive >> KVG Laboratories >> I Found The Sound! 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URL: From lenaw at flash.net Mon Jun 6 23:25:22 2011 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 14:25:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] LP arcaico In-Reply-To: <000f01cc2480$9eb7a0f0$dc26e2d0$@math.utah.edu> References: <530049.21163.qm@web160616.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40338E0F8@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br> <514037.18583.qm@web160611.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <54853.318.qm@web160617.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <874940.97038.qm@web160601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <480209.48017.qm@web160614.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <000f01cc2480$9eb7a0f0$dc26e2d0$@math.utah.edu> Message-ID: <923513.57790.qm@web80208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I thought Wouter probably already screened it before it was published? Is that not true? I guess as long as the authors stick to the facts it should be fine. ________________________________ From: Victor Gabrenas To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Mon, June 6, 2011 2:33:32 PM Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico Should this be a private conversation? Do we need a moderator? Mediator?     From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Julie Kessler Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 1:03 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico   Bala, your comments makes no sense. Seriously. It's a shame you can't accept the success we've been having, but I guess that's your problem. I have to laugh at your comment, because the web site shows all sorts of innovations, and as new products come out of the lab they get added -- and start selling. There's nothing secretive other than things like proprietary formulae, design methods and so on, just like every other company has. Good grief, all the sound samples, all the product photos, and all the products we have that no one else has: Counterpoise and Varipoise transformers, Varivox speakers, EVAS, BLISS, and many others. Sorry if this comes off snarky, but you're just going have to get over this weird obsession you have with this mythical secrecy, and accept that Kermit, me, and everyone else is being quite successful. "Only passion stands the test of time" sounds good, but I've had a minor in business admin and that isn't always true. But my mom has known Kermit since 1978, and if anyone has passion for sound and music, he has -- and it's why he's still selling amplifiers and so way many other things all these decades later that he first designed in the 1970s. Oh, and I spent a lot of time going through the message archives. There are so many messages where you really tear down and defame people, and those people come back and disprove your accusations. I see through your messages very well, and this round of messages with you is really both truly bizarre and sort of disturbing. Sorry, Bala, you just don't know what you're talking about on this topic, and your baseless criticisms are empty air to my ears. My last word to you, ever, is that I find it very telling (and it really speaks to your character) that you're the only one of Kermit's friends who isn't really excited to see the success and growth, and instead go out of your way to create controversy and accusation where none exists, inventing conspiracies and all sorts of really freaky stuff to try to dispute the success that everyone else who knows Kermit sees and accepts as th efact that it is.   On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 10:58 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Julie, I am not going to get into an argument here with you or anyone else; but here and on the website all we see are words. There has been absolutely nothing on the website or anywhere else about all this innovation going on.  Leica, Porshe and other secretive manufacturers have opened up their plants - heck even Area 51 pictures about the A-12 recon plane being tested have been opened up. So what is in it for being so secretive? I am sure lots of prospective customers would want to see with their eyes. Stuff has been circulating and every email that you send only adds more weight to what a lot of people here have suspected. I am just asking the questions because some of them have been asking me, and I don't know! If you want to question attitudes, then you are questioning the attitude of lots of people here. So take it easy. I am not one of those who tear others down; People have tried to tear me down, but I stand here today backed by many, many encouraging messages from Naktalkers who see through my emails. Affluence, money and status can buy many things, but only passion stands the test of time.   ________________________________ From:Julie Kessler To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent:Mon, June 6, 2011 4:18:41 AM Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico I'm rolling my eyes, Bala. Oh brother, why do you have to have such an attitude? By the way, that's all I see out of you and everyone else is "words words words" but so what? I don't appreciate you implying that I'm a liar. You're really out of line.  You don't work here, but I do, so you truly don't know what you're talking about. I always appreciate new and different opinions, but I think the group is best served if you keep your innuendos and character besmirching to yourself and speak on what you actually have firsthand knowledge about. Sorry to be snippy, but really, who do you think you are making statements like that about a business you know nothing about and about situations you know nothing about?  I've noticed this is a growing trend on Internet forums -- people makig blanket condemnations or criticisms about things they haven't seen or heard. I think it's just that some people think they way they can live people up is by tearing someone else down. I hope you're not that petty, but so far from what you're showing me about yourself.... On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 10:13 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hmm..seeing is believing. So far none of us has seen anything except words, words and more words.   ________________________________ From:Julie Kessler To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent:Sun, June 5, 2011 5:28:13 AM Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico Bala, Kermit hired some programmers to write the custom software for us. I imagine it was expensive but I don't know, and I can't say about how the software works, but it's pretty amazing to watch. Yes indeed, the boss is loaded because the business has been really successful the last year or so. It's inspiring to me to see how hard work and out-of-the-box ideas can pay off, and how old gear like Nakamichi cassettes can still be really useful in a modern studio. From what everyone's been telling me, the secret to Kermit's success has always been having unique, custom made equipment, including software. This is such a great place to work! You sneak in a Wilson Benesch Full Circle when the boss is out of the building all day long to a NASCAR event with friends. On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 8:13 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: A custom program that 'declicks, denoises, EQ and Dyanamic processing'? That usually stuff that's subject of phsycho-acoustics and patented algorithms. Either you are kidding us or your boss is loaded! How do you 'sneak' in a WB Full Circle? Bala     ________________________________ From:Julie Kessler To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent:Sat, June 4, 2011 9:15:57 AM Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico Hi! That's a great answer. I guess I was being literal and answering how to transfer LPs with Audacity. We have Audacity, but it's only used for training purposes, the software we actually use to make digital archive recordings is custom-programmed and it declicks, denoises, applies EQ and dynamics processing, various enhancers and then splits the LP into separate song tracks all in one pass so it's really efficient; with all the records we archive we wouldn't get anything done with Audacity or typical software.  Kermit, Dave and Paul try to do as much EQ, click and denoising with hardware instead of software. We have two hardware declickers and five hardware denoisers and our preamp can EQ any record ever made correctly and compensate for wear and non-standard EQ curves. That way the software doesn't have much to do. You're really right about cleaning first, and the guys use the VPI machine to clean the record as good as possible. As far as styli, Kermit has a place in England make us a set of 30 different styli with all sorts of different sizes and shapes to fit the groove as good as can be to reduce noise and wear for the Stanton 681EEE to play 78's right and 5 different styli for LP's and 45's that fit the Ortofon VMS-20 + 2 custom styli for the Shure V-15 Type III which is Kermit's favorite.  The turntable we use has a straightline tonearm and it moves like the original cutter did; all three guys modified the turntable to the max and I bet Rabco/Harmon-Kardon wouldn't recognize its insides. I can always tell which of the guys did the re-recordig job. Paul tends to use nothing but the hardware and won't use any software processing, and he'll sweat bullts getting the settings right. Kermit uses both software and hardware and tends to process very little, just the really bad pops and noise, but he gets really into the EQ and often uses dynamic range expanders to undo overcompression, which I think is his pet peeve. Dave just goes all hog wild and kills all the pops and ticks and noise and just like gets every processor to the max -- and I swear, by the time he's done he's made the LP sound like a CD (I think he goes overboard with it all). I t's really fun as an intern for me to watch the 3 of them get into arguments over how much processing a record needs. It's culture clash set to music. You have Kermit with his 1970's studio thing, then Paul is all into (how to say it?) "phono culture". Paul learned audio in the late 1980's and I've caught him sneaking his Wilson Benesch Full Circle turntable in and using it instead of our modifed Rabco. Dave's the youngest, he was trained in 2001 at a ProTools studio and just wants to process everything to be as noiseless as can be. The 3 guys never agree on anything to do with turntables and records but it's really coo that they get along like brothers! This really, really, isn't a boring place to work! My turntable has a Rek-O-Kut Micropoise tonearm that Paul modified, and I have one of Kermit's modified Shure V-15 Type IV cartridges. Awesome sound. On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 6:56 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: I suppose he was asking about his oldies on tape. Having said that, click and noise removal is something best done at the source level for records. Starting with a clean record,is an absolute essential. A good high-end cartridge with a good stylus profile greatly reduces noise and clicks by sitting well within the groove. Most earlier cartridge profiles do not do this and are influenced by the surface condition of the record. Surprisingly, the grooves rarely get damaged unless the record is played with a chipped or worn stylus, or if the record has bubbles or 'kink warps'. But I have seen good unipivot arms play warped records pretty well. If they are still there, leave it. Trying to correct clicks and pops ends rarely leaves the quality of the rest of the track unmolested. With a good set-up, records that were thought to click and pop badly came up absolutely quiet - so quiet you can hear the stop and start of the hiss of the master tape in between tracks. Boxes, devices and kludges best remain in museums. I envy you working for a great boss. Bala   ________________________________ From:Julie Kessler To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Fri, June 3, 2011 12:31:27 PM Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico Rodrigo, The procedure we use here goes like this: 1. Record the disc into the software. 2. Next, choose "Click Removal." Highlight all of the audio file waveform (i.e., "select the audio file" as  a shorthand term for this) for processing.  The default setting works okay, but you may have to Undo and retry a few times to get the best results. "Click removal" seems to work best before EQing for the record characteristic EQ. 3. If you don't have an equalized preamp, apply EQ using the software. Select all of the audio file for processing. Audacity has several record EQs listed under "Effect...Equalization." 4. Choose whichever EQ matches the disc. You can tweak the EQ graphically to correct for worn or off-standard discs. 5. Next, choose "Noise Removal." Delesect the file. Select a small part of the file where there is silence between tracks. Click "Get Noise Profile." Now, select the whole audio file and choose "Noise Removal" again. This time just click OK. The default setting works okay, but you may have to Undo and retry a few times to get the best results. 6. Now, listen to the whole audio file and when you get to silence between tracks highlight the silence between tracks and choose "Insert Silence." 7. Finally,  go back and "cut up" the file into separate tracks by highlighting the waveform of the song and go to File..Export Selection." Name the file accordingly and choose the appropriate file formats to match what you want to do with the files. We recommend against using the Normalize or Compressor effects because they can really hurt the sound of your transfer but you can use them if you think they sound good, of course. I hope this helps! On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 7:11 AM, Rodrigo Krause wrote: Hi Bala, Would you mind sharing with us how you are doing this? I'm starting to look up how to put my wonderful "olies" ontape into digital. I'd much appreciate any inputs. Thank you in advance for any info you may share. Best regards, Rodrigo   ________________________________ De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Enviada em: Wed Jun 01 22:38:15 2011 Assunto: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving I am archiving many old and rare tape recordings onto digital now. After much trials, I managed to get the right format and setup that gives ticks all the boxes in terms of a digital format. It is a tedious task, but one that may be very important for posterity. Regards, Bala   ________________________________ From:fripp_em To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 7:11:31 AM Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving I seem to remember there was someone on naktalk (West of the Mississippi) who did professional transfers of cassette and LP collections to digital?  I can't remember who that was but I know someone who wants to do this with a large collection of LPs (I guess some are rare).  If it was one or two records I'd consider it, but it's not my career:-)  Anyone remember who that was?  Thanks, David ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes privilegiadas e/ou de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem autorizacao do       remetente. Portanto, se voce recebeu esta mensagem por  engano, por favor, nos informe respondendo imediatamente a este e-mail e em seguida apague-a. A empresa MULTIPLAN nao se responsabiliza por conclusoes, opinioes, ou outras       informacoes nesta mensagem que nao se relacionem com sua linha de negocios. ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! 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The pages with info posted last January lead to 404's now... Wouter From angel9esoteric at gmail.com Tue Jun 7 01:49:54 2011 From: angel9esoteric at gmail.com (MD) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 19:49:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck advice sought. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm wondering where's Kermit himself? Regards,Mike On 6/6/11, Julie Kessler wrote: > Awesome link, Martin! Thank you! > > Kermit's advice for my situation was: Revox B710 Mk. II ideally, and a list > of a dozen models from Aiwa, Pioneer, Teac, Technics, Onkyo or the newest > Nakamichis. Paul the phono tech said Revox B710 Mk. II, Tascam CC-222SL > (because it's new), and Teac W890R (ditto). Dave the studio tech said > anything that wokrs is okay, cassettes are not audiophile quality. (Wrong, > Dave!) > > I did but the B&O 9000 to get me started while I shop for others, it was > just so cute. > > Again, I really, really thank everyone for taking their time to give me all > sorts of great advice and opinions. Time to finalize my list of cassette > decks to shop for and listen to. I hope I'll have my 2nd cassette deck > soon. > > On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Martin Short > wrote: > >> Julie, >> >> I'm sure Kermit has the answer for you, but if you don't want to bother >> him >> then take a visit to Scott's incredibly useful site, www.nakremotes.com , >> go to the Nakfaq and scroll down to the section on *IEC1976 & IEC1981*... >> >> Of the decks you mention, I would take the Tandberg TCD440 first, Revox >> second, but if you can snare the Beocord 9000 for a song, then why not? >> and go have a play with it... it has some interesting features... >> >> cheers, >> >> M >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> *From:* Julie Kessler >> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> *Sent:* Sunday, June 05, 2011 2:46 PM >> *Subject:* [naktalk] Cassette deck advice sought. >> >> Hello All, >> >> I'm getting ready to buy my second cassette deck and need some advice. I >> love my Nakamichi 550, but tapes I make on it don't sound right on my >> friends' cassettes, because Nakamichi 550's don't use the same EQ as other >> brands (do I have that right?). So, all I can do if I want to share is >> have >> my friends bring their recorder by and copy to their cassette. Right now >> I'm >> borrowing a friend's Pioneer CT-F1000, and it's actually pretty good but >> not >> as detailed as my Nakamichi 550 >> >> So here's my questions: >> >> Which Nakamichi's have the same EQ as everyone else, or all they all >> non-standard? IF one of the Nakamichi's have standard EQ, which is the >> most >> neutral sounding? I'd like to match the "feel" of the sound of my Revox >> A77 >> Mk. III Dolby as close as possible, if that makes any sense. >> >> If no Nakamichi has standard EQ, then I'm trying to decide between these >> cassette decks -- Revox B710 Mk. II, Tandberg TCD-440, or Bang & Olufsen >> 9000 (I know where I can get a B&O 9000 really cheap, about the same cost >> as >> a pair of Flip-Flops). >> >> Thanks for all your advice! >> >> -- Julie Kessler >> juliek at kvglabs.com >> Artist Development Executive >> KVG Laboratories >> I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered >> http://www.kvglabs.com >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > > -- > -- Julie Kessler > juliek at kvglabs.com > Artist Development Executive > KVG Laboratories > I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered > http://www.kvglabs.com > From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 7 02:02:53 2011 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (Ram) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 20:02:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] KVG chrome tapes References: Message-ID: <4D8F91C1-BB15-4099-B894-2EC25ED5C18B@yahoo.com> Begin forwarded message: > From: Ram > Date: June 6, 2011 7:52:01 PM EDT > To: "naktak at naks.com" > Subject: KVG chrome tapes > > > > Hi Wouter, > > Please visit the KVG labs web page and go to news. It states that as of April 2011, they have stopped manufacture and sale of the cassette line completely due to quality issues. > > Ram. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 7 02:53:52 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 17:53:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving In-Reply-To: References: <272692.69932.qm@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <539442.97382.qm@web160619.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <106824.92525.qm@web160603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <483776.35120.qm@web160608.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <71760.6539.qm@web160608.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <254419.27194.qm@web160614.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <784205.79781.qm@web160605.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Well Julie, I have more then words. I have pictures to show that I know more then just Kermit and KVG Labs. But all this fantastic hyperbole coming from you is just that: fantastic hyperbole. I can't imagine any business in the world that do what you do not having to publicise themselves. People are not buying it and over the days, the silent majority have started speaking. So, please, stop this bizarre thing you are doing and put away that blong wig. Bala ________________________________ From: Julie Kessler To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, June 7, 2011 6:40:25 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving LOL! OMG, you really are determined to imply things aren't you? Words, words, words, Bala, just more empty words from you. Please stop this bizarre thing you're doing. On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 10:10 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Thats great. Because a lot of people who kept nagging me with offline emails should now have their answers conclusive. Thanks Kermit, oops Julie! > > > > ________________________________ From: Julie Kessler >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Mon, June 6, 2011 4:34:06 AM > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving > > >Well, Bala, the answer to your questions is -- 1.) it's none of my business or >yours whether he attends NASCAR races. 2.) I don't think he's posting much >anywhere and I know he's working on some really cool prototypes on top of other >things, so I think he probably chooses to spend his free time doing things >offline to really get away from work and relax. Why don't you ask him why he's >not posting anywhere? 3. I did indeed ask him the same questions, along with >Paul and Dave, and got great answers. But I also asked here to get different >perspectives and more info. > > >By the way, the first variable record equalizers were made by Westrex, RCA, >Fairchild, Presto, and others in the 1940's and 1950's; I've browsed our tech >library a lot and found mention of variable record EQ as far back as 1927. Cool. > >One thing I've enjoyed working for Kermit is the "How It Was Done" lectures >every other Friday where he leads us interns through one of his designs while >building it all the while explaining all the decisions and criteria that went >into the equipment's design, usually with a Nak 500 to make before/after >comparison tapes for us to hear as a way of explaining things. In other words, >he explains the whole design process from concept to final design, every step of >the way. I wish you and everyone on the list should attend one of those >demonstrations and lectures, it's awesome. (I've suggested making podcasts of >these lectures.) So I don't know where you come up with the bizarre notion that >either he or Sony don't know what they're doing. Man, he, Dave and Paul >definitely know what they're doing! > > >On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 10:36 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > >Julie, >> >>The question we all have for you is why Kermit, who is fit to attend Nascar >>races, isn't posting on Naktalk. Where is he, and why is he not answering your >>below questions? >> >> >>The answer to your questions would be to speak to Dr Huber, and read his papers >>for a start. Also, read on the design of the McIntosh C-8, which was one of the >>first variable record equalizer available in the market. Today, KAB Acoustics >>makes some affordable units that help tackle this problems as well. Make some >>thing to drink for yourself, and two ice-teas which is Kermit's favorite drink. >>Put the second one in the fridge is his listening room, and have a good talk >>with him - he is a very knowledgeable guy who sometimes hasn't a clue why he is >>doing what he is doing. Just like Sony. >> >> >>Bala >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >>From: Julie Kessler >> >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Sent: Sun, June 5, 2011 7:28:56 AM >> >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving >> >> >>Hi, >> >>I have a question about this for all of you. I know what the guys here in the >>studio say on the topic, but I just wanted some of you guys' thoughts. As I >>understand it, FM Acoustics "linearization" is really just variable EQ, which is >>a great thing (one of our phono preamps has variable EQ & the other has 12 EQ >>curves with a program EQ to compensate). So the idea is to get the EQ as close >>to perfect, while correcting for record wear, deviations from the standard EQ >>during cutting and the influence of cartridge frequency response on playback EQ >>accuracy (the cartridge's frequency response will cause the playback to differ >>from textbook perfect EQ, right?). I have learned that altering the record's >>reproduce EQ sounds really different than trying to use tone controls to >>correct. It sounds better, I think. >> >> >>So here's my questions: >> >>1. Sometimes a record mastering engineer tweaks the record EQ as a way of >>correcting for something in the record and/or just because he/she thinks it >>sounds better. So why should we be undoing what the mastering engineer did, >>unless the answer is we like the sound better. >> >> >>2. Unless you're correcting by ear, how can you know what the deviation from >>textbook playback EQ is, plus deviations made by the mastering engineer,, plus >>changes caused by record wear and all the other things? Even if you have the >>precise calibration standard used by the studio that cut the original record >>master, there's really no way to know for sure. So you really have to do this >>all by ear, right? So then you can run into the trap of also EQing for your >>speakers, your cartridge, your own listening tastes., the room sound and a whole >>bunch of other things. >> >> >>I've been having the most problems learning how to get EQ right, there seems to >>be no absolute way to know what "correct" is unless you just make assumptions or >>have a whole bunch of calibration things, and even then that strill seems like >>ust being arbitrary to me. >> >> >>Or am I just being way too blonde about all of this? >> >> >>On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Rick Hils wrote: >> >>Bala, >>>Thanks for telling me about Dr. Manuel Huber. He is, no doubt, a brilliant >>>engineer. I'll try using a variable EQ set at an octave width, a 5 db gain, and >>>sweep some freq. ranges. >>>And I'll try to find some of Dr. Huber's material. >>>-Regards, Rick >>> >>> >>>________________________________ Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 06:20:54 -0700 >>> >>>From: bg3009 at yahoo.com >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving >>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>> >>> >>>Hi Rick, >>> >>>I respect your way of doing things. I always felt similar until I attended a >>>talk by FM Acoustics' founder Dr. Huber who demonstrated to us the importance of >>>variable EQ. Even slight modulations in the standard RIAA curve, as you might >>>know, brings immense difference in the sound quality. Even 70s pop records that >>>sounded compressed sounded much livelier and bigger thanks to a more accurate >>>reproduction curve. Correct cart loading (which you have mentioned), and correct >>>record playback linearization are two things that are so important and yet >>>overlooked with such regularity listeners do not know what they are missing out. >>> >>> >>> >>>Regards, >>>Bala >>> >>> ________________________________ From: Rick Hils >>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>Sent: Sat, June 4, 2011 9:07:55 AM >>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] LP archiving >>> >>>Bala, >>>I don't have the knowledge to test and to, therefore, report any findings. I >>>will say that when I use my Shure V15 III cartridge with my Concept receiver, >>>the results are very good. The Concept receivers use a phono input impedance of >>>50k, which is appropriate for the Shure V15. As long as I am hearing enough >>>detail in the mid to upper mid-range, then I am happy. I'm not so concerned >>>about whether or not the low end goes down to 30 or 20 hz. >>> >>>As far as computer wave editing goes, I try to avoid tweaking the wav file too >>>much. I prefer to leave the phasing characteristics of the original unaltered. I >>>also feel that light surface noise from the original LP is better left alone. >>>Much better to hear it all than to muffle any of the highs. >>>-Regards, Rick >>> >>> >>>________________________________ Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 04:58:38 -0700 >>>From: bg3009 at yahoo.com >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving >>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>> >>> >>>Hi Rick, >>> >>>I suppose that term comes as a translation from the Swiss guys. I was asking >>>more specifically about how you control cartridge loading and playback curve of >>>the records you transcribe. >>> >>> >>>Bala >>> >>> "What You didn't see, you didn't know" >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ From: Rick Hils >>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>Sent: Fri, June 3, 2011 5:21:06 AM >>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] LP archiving >>> >>>Bala, >>>You ask what type of "phono linearization" do I use? Well, that could cover lots >>>of things starting from the tone arm tracking and then on to the RIAA phono eq >>>fidelity in my Concept receiver and then on to the impedance match between the >>>receiver outputs and the E-MU A/D converter inputs. To be fair, I haven't >>>checked the linearity of my RCA phono cables lately so that might be what you >>>are asking about. I don't know. The anti-skate on my tone arm may be set a >>>quarter of a gram off. >>>But the art of vinyl record reproduction has and always will be a compromise of >>>imperfections. We all make reasonable attempts to achieve the best sound, and >>>that means to our own ears as well as what the test equipment shows. For me, the >>>two most important issues are the musicality of the phono cartridge and the >>>clear sound of the playback speakers. What counts is that we get enjoyment from >>>listening. >>> >>>Regards- Rick >>> >>>________________________________ Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 07:33:43 -0700 >>>From: bg3009 at yahoo.com >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving >>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>> >>> >>>Hi Rick, >>> >>>What type of phono linearization do you use? >>> >>>Regards, >>>Bala >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ From: Rick Hils >>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 12:14:48 PM >>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] LP archiving >>> >>>If you want, give them my name. I can make very nice transfers. I use a Thorens >>>TD 145 with Shure V15 III and I also have a Lenco heavy platter table than has >>>infinite speed adjust from 16 rpm to 78 rpm. I can either go straight into my >>>E-MU 96/24 convertor or first into my Nak BX-300 and then to the DAC. >>>The situation is that I am close to the 91601 zip code (Los Angeles area) and >>>can possibly pick up the records myself. I would do one record side to see if >>>it meets with your friends needs. >>>Rick >>>email: rhils at hotmail.com >>> >>>> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 14:11:31 -0700 >>>> From: fripp_em at yahoo.com >>>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>>> Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving >>>> >>>> I seem to remember there was someone on naktalk (West of the Mississippi) who >>>>did professional transfers of cassette and LP collections to digital? I can't >>>>remember who that was but I know someone who wants to do this with a large >>>>collection of LPs (I guess some are rare). If it was one or two records I'd >>>>consider it, but it's not my career:-) Anyone remember who that was? >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> David >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>Also check out the wiki! >>>http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.commailinglist Maintain your account here: >>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>Also check out the wiki! >>>http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: >>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: >>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >> >>-- >>-- Julie Kessler >>juliek at kvglabs.com >>Artist Development Executive >>KVG Laboratories >>I Found The Sound! 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 7 03:25:01 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 18:25:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] LP arcaico In-Reply-To: References: <530049.21163.qm@web160616.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40338E0F8@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br> <514037.18583.qm@web160611.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <54853.318.qm@web160617.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <874940.97038.qm@web160601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <480209.48017.qm@web160614.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <38781.64648.qm@web160618.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hi Julie, I have more in terms of my mails to Kermit (which spans years!) to prove how (and others) have tried to push Kermit onto a productive path. As we know, he has decided to stick to his ways, all we all have put in our collective: 'Good Luck (Your initial here please) ' message to him. I do not wish him any ill and I can prove my case in a tangible manner. You are trying now to assault my character, but you only join a handful who tried to do so in a bit to cover their own flaws, as high and mighty as they may seem. Right here in Naktalk, its not about show and flash. Its not how shiny your Limited is, or how long your list of accomplishments are, or how much money you have to throw into this hobby. I have said before that every member with every Nak, large or small counts here. The ethos of Naktalk is our passion for cassettes, analogues and Nakamichis. There is more noise here now then in any deck Nak has ever produced. I am retreating from this argument for pursuit of something that I come here for. But the ball is in your court because here and on your website, you display a kind of Cold War paranoia for secrecy. A guy making turntables at home in Germany has more then 30 reviews in international hi-fi magazines to show me his accomplishments (and I actually see 'tables in his home).Lets see what you have (or connotations you have to explain that away. Cheers! ________________________________ From: Julie Kessler To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, June 7, 2011 5:03:18 AM Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico Bala, your comments makes no sense. Seriously. It's a shame you can't accept the success we've been having, but I guess that's your problem. I have to laugh at your comment, because the web site shows all sorts of innovations, and as new products come out of the lab they get added -- and start selling. There's nothing secretive other than things like proprietary formulae, design methods and so on, just like every other company has. Good grief, all the sound samples, all the product photos, and all the products we have that no one else has: Counterpoise and Varipoise transformers, Varivox speakers, EVAS, BLISS, and many others. Sorry if this comes off snarky, but you're just going have to get over this weird obsession you have with this mythical secrecy, and accept that Kermit, me, and everyone else is being quite successful. "Only passion stands the test of time" sounds good, but I've had a minor in business admin and that isn't always true. But my mom has known Kermit since 1978, and if anyone has passion for sound and music, he has -- and it's why he's still selling amplifiers and so way many other things all these decades later that he first designed in the 1970s. Oh, and I spent a lot of time going through the message archives. There are so many messages where you really tear down and defame people, and those people come back and disprove your accusations. I see through your messages very well, and this round of messages with you is really both truly bizarre and sort of disturbing. Sorry, Bala, you just don't know what you're talking about on this topic, and your baseless criticisms are empty air to my ears. My last word to you, ever, is that I find it very telling (and it really speaks to your character) that you're the only one of Kermit's friends who isn't really excited to see the success and growth, and instead go out of your way to create controversy and accusation where none exists, inventing conspiracies and all sorts of really freaky stuff to try to dispute the success that everyone else who knows Kermit sees and accepts as th efact that it is. On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 10:58 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Julie, > >I am not going to get into an argument here with you or anyone else; but here >and on the website all we see are words. There has been absolutely nothing on >the website or anywhere else about all this innovation going on. Leica, Porshe >and other secretive manufacturers have opened up their plants - heck even Area >51 pictures about the A-12 recon plane being tested have been opened up. So what >is in it for being so secretive? I am sure lots of prospective customers would >want to see with their eyes. > > >Stuff has been circulating and every email that you send only adds more weight >to what a lot of people here have suspected. I am just asking the questions >because some of them have been asking me, and I don't know! If you want to >question attitudes, then you are questioning the attitude of lots of people >here. So take it easy. > > >I am not one of those who tear others down; People have tried to tear me down, >but I stand here today backed by many, many encouraging messages from Naktalkers >who see through my emails. Affluence, money and status can buy many things, but >only passion stands the test of time. > > > > > > ________________________________ From: Julie Kessler >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Mon, June 6, 2011 4:18:41 AM > >Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico > > >I'm rolling my eyes, Bala. Oh brother, why do you have to have such an attitude? >By the way, that's all I see out of you and everyone else is "words words words" >but so what? I don't appreciate you implying that I'm a liar. You're really out >of line. You don't work here, but I do, so you truly don't know what you're >talking about. I always appreciate new and different opinions, but I think the >group is best served if you keep your innuendos and character besmirching to >yourself and speak on what you actually have firsthand knowledge about. Sorry to >be snippy, but really, who do you think you are making statements like that >about a business you know nothing about and about situations you know nothing >about? I've noticed this is a growing trend on Internet forums -- people makig >blanket condemnations or criticisms about things they haven't seen or heard. I >think it's just that some people think they way they can live people up is by >tearing someone else down. I hope you're not that petty, but so far from what >you're showing me about yourself.... > > >On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 10:13 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > >Hmm..seeing is believing. So far none of us has seen anything except words, >words and more words. > >> >> >> >> ________________________________ From: Julie Kessler >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Sent: Sun, June 5, 2011 5:28:13 AM >> >>Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico >> >> >>Bala, >> >>Kermit hired some programmers to write the custom software for us. I imagine it >>was expensive but I don't know, and I can't say about how the software works, >>but it's pretty amazing to watch. Yes indeed, the boss is loaded because the >>business has been really successful the last year or so. It's inspiring to me to >>see how hard work and out-of-the-box ideas can pay off, and how old gear like >>Nakamichi cassettes can still be really useful in a modern studio. From what >>everyone's been telling me, the secret to Kermit's success has always been >>having unique, custom made equipment, including software. This is such a great >>place to work! >> >>You sneak in a Wilson Benesch Full Circle when the boss is out of the building >>all day long to a NASCAR event with friends. >> >> >> >>On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 8:13 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >> >>A custom program that 'declicks, denoises, EQ and Dyanamic processing'? That >>usually stuff that's subject of phsycho-acoustics and patented algorithms. >>Either you are kidding us or your boss is loaded! How do you 'sneak' in a WB >>Full Circle? >>> >>>Bala >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ From: Julie Kessler >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Sent: Sat, June 4, 2011 9:15:57 AM >>> >>>Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico >>> >>> >>>Hi! >>> >>>That's a great answer. I guess I was being literal and answering how to transfer >>>LPs with Audacity. We have Audacity, but it's only used for training purposes, >>>the software we actually use to make digital archive recordings is >>>custom-programmed and it declicks, denoises, applies EQ and dynamics processing, >>>various enhancers and then splits the LP into separate song tracks all in one >>>pass so it's really efficient; with all the records we archive we wouldn't get >>>anything done with Audacity or typical software. >>> >>> >>>Kermit, Dave and Paul try to do as much EQ, click and denoising with hardware >>>instead of software. We have two hardware declickers and five hardware denoisers >>>and our preamp can EQ any record ever made correctly and compensate for wear and >>>non-standard EQ curves. That way the software doesn't have much to do. You're >>>really right about cleaning first, and the guys use the VPI machine to clean the >>>record as good as possible. As far as styli, Kermit has a place in England make >>>us a set of 30 different styli with all sorts of different sizes and shapes to >>>fit the groove as good as can be to reduce noise and wear for the Stanton 681EEE >>>to play 78's right and 5 different styli for LP's and 45's that fit the Ortofon >>>VMS-20 + 2 custom styli for the Shure V-15 Type III which is Kermit's favorite. >>>The turntable we use has a straightline tonearm and it moves like the original >>>cutter did; all three guys modified the turntable to the max and I bet >>>Rabco/Harmon-Kardon wouldn't recognize its insides. >>> >>>I can always tell which of the guys did the re-recordig job. Paul tends to use >>>nothing but the hardware and won't use any software processing, and he'll sweat >>>bullts getting the settings right. Kermit uses both software and hardware and >>>tends to process very little, just the really bad pops and noise, but he gets >>>really into the EQ and often uses dynamic range expanders to undo >>>overcompression, which I think is his pet peeve. Dave just goes all hog wild and >>>kills all the pops and ticks and noise and just like gets every processor to the >>>max -- and I swear, by the time he's done he's made the LP sound like a CD (I >>>think he goes overboard with it all). I >>> >>>t's really fun as an intern for me to watch the 3 of them get into arguments >>>over how much processing a record needs. It's culture clash set to music. You >>>have Kermit with his 1970's studio thing, then Paul is all into (how to say it?) >>>"phono culture". Paul learned audio in the late 1980's and I've caught him >>>sneaking his Wilson Benesch Full Circle turntable in and using it instead of our >>>modifed Rabco. Dave's the youngest, he was trained in 2001 at a ProTools studio >>>and just wants to process everything to be as noiseless as can be. The 3 guys >>>never agree on anything to do with turntables and records but it's really coo >>>that they get along like brothers! This really, really, isn't a boring place to >>>work! >>> >>> >>> >>>My turntable has a Rek-O-Kut Micropoise tonearm that Paul modified, and I have >>>one of Kermit's modified Shure V-15 Type IV cartridges. Awesome sound. >>> >>> >>> >>>On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 6:56 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >>> >>>I suppose he was asking about his oldies on tape. >>>> >>>>Having said that, click and noise removal is something best done at the source >>>>level for records. Starting with a clean record,is an absolute essential. A good >>>>high-end cartridge with a good stylus profile greatly reduces noise and clicks >>>>by sitting well within the groove. Most earlier cartridge profiles do not do >>>>this and are influenced by the surface condition of the record. Surprisingly, >>>>the grooves rarely get damaged unless the record is played with a chipped or >>>>worn stylus, or if the record has bubbles or 'kink warps'. But I have seen good >>>>unipivot arms play warped records pretty well. If they are still there, leave >>>>it. Trying to correct clicks and pops ends rarely leaves the quality of the rest >>>>of the track unmolested. >>>> >>>> >>>>With a good set-up, records that were thought to click and pop badly came up >>>>absolutely quiet - so quiet you can hear the stop and start of the hiss of the >>>>master tape in between tracks. Boxes, devices and kludges best remain in >>>>museums. >>>> >>>> >>>>I envy you working for a great boss. >>>> >>>> >>>>Bala >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ________________________________ From: Julie Kessler >>>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>Sent: Fri, June 3, 2011 12:31:27 PM >>>>Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico >>>> >>>> >>>>Rodrigo, >>>> >>>>The procedure we use here goes like this: >>>> >>>>1. Record the disc into the software. >>>>2. Next, choose "Click Removal." Highlight all of the audio file waveform (i.e., >>>>"select the audio file" as a shorthand term for this) for processing. The >>>>default setting works okay, but you may have to Undo and retry a few times to >>>>get the best results. "Click removal" seems to work best before EQing for the >>>>record characteristic EQ. >>>> >>>>3. If you don't have an equalized preamp, apply EQ using the software. Select >>>>all of the audio file for processing. Audacity has several record EQs listed >>>>under "Effect...Equalization." >>>>4. Choose whichever EQ matches the disc. You can tweak the EQ graphically to >>>>correct for worn or off-standard discs. >>>> >>>>5. Next, choose "Noise Removal." Delesect the file. Select a small part of the >>>>file where there is silence between tracks. Click "Get Noise Profile." Now, >>>>select the whole audio file and choose "Noise Removal" again. This time just >>>>click OK. The default setting works okay, but you may have to Undo and retry a >>>>few times to get the best results. >>>> >>>>6. Now, listen to the whole audio file and when you get to silence between >>>>tracks highlight the silence between tracks and choose "Insert Silence." >>>> >>>>7. Finally, go back and "cut up" the file into separate tracks by highlighting >>>>the waveform of the song and go to File..Export Selection." Name the file >>>>accordingly and choose the appropriate file formats to match what you want to do >>>>with the files. >>>> >>>> >>>>We recommend against using the Normalize or Compressor effects because they can >>>>really hurt the sound of your transfer but you can use them if you think they >>>>sound good, of course. >>>> >>>> >>>>I hope this helps! >>>> >>>> >>>>On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 7:11 AM, Rodrigo Krause >>>wrote: >>>> >>>>Hi Bala, >>>>>Would you mind sharing with us how you are doing this? I'm starting to look up >>>>>how to put my wonderful "olies" ontape into digital. >>>>>I'd much appreciate any inputs. >>>>>Thank you in advance for any info you may share. >>>>>Best regards, >>>>>Rodrigo >>>>> >>>>> ________________________________ De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >>>>>Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>>Enviada em: Wed Jun 01 22:38:15 2011 >>>>>Assunto: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I am archiving many old and rare tape recordings onto digital now. After much >>>>>trials, I managed to get the right format and setup that gives ticks all the >>>>>boxes in terms of a digital format. It is a tedious task, but one that may be >>>>>very important for posterity. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Regards, >>>>>Bala >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ________________________________ From: fripp_em >>>>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>>Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 7:11:31 AM >>>>>Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving >>>>> >>>>>I seem to remember there was someone on naktalk (West of the Mississippi) who >>>>>did professional transfers of cassette and LP collections to digital? I can't >>>>>remember who that was but I know someone who wants to do this with a large >>>>>collection of LPs (I guess some are rare). If it was one or two records I'd >>>>>consider it, but it's not my career:-) Anyone remember who that was? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Thanks, >>>>>David >>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> >>>>>Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes privilegiadas >>>>e/ou >>>>>de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem autorizacao do >>>>> remetente. >>>>> >>>>>Portanto, se voce recebeu esta mensagem por engano, por favor, nos informe >>>>>respondendo imediatamente a este e-mail e em seguida apague-a. >>>>> >>>>>A empresa MULTIPLAN nao se responsabiliza por conclusoes, opinioes, ou >outras >>>>> informacoes nesta mensagem que nao se relacionem com sua linha de negocios. >>>> >>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>-- >>>>-- Julie Kessler >>>>juliek at kvglabs.com >>>>Artist Development Executive >>>>KVG Laboratories >>>>I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered >>>>http://www.kvglabs.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>> >>> >>>-- >>>-- Julie Kessler >>>juliek at kvglabs.com >>>Artist Development Executive >>>KVG Laboratories >>>I Found The Sound! 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URL: From angel9esoteric at gmail.com Tue Jun 7 05:29:52 2011 From: angel9esoteric at gmail.com (MD) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 23:29:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving In-Reply-To: <784205.79781.qm@web160605.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <272692.69932.qm@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <539442.97382.qm@web160619.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <106824.92525.qm@web160603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <483776.35120.qm@web160608.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <71760.6539.qm@web160608.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <254419.27194.qm@web160614.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <784205.79781.qm@web160605.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'm too a little tired of that KVG Labs PR thing...I guess Bala is not alone with his opinion.I've seen many people come and go due to ignorancy among other things.We live in a different world in part due to "internet transparency" and it's more difficult to sell "snake's oil" now.Nothing personal,just the facts.Best,M On 6/6/11, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Well Julie, I have more then words. I have pictures to show that I know more > then just Kermit and KVG Labs. But all this fantastic hyperbole coming from > you > is just that: fantastic hyperbole. I can't imagine any business in the world > that do what you do not having to publicise themselves. People are not > buying it > and over the days, the silent majority have started speaking. So, please, > stop > this bizarre thing you are doing and put away that blong wig. > > > Bala > > > ________________________________ > From: Julie Kessler > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Tue, June 7, 2011 6:40:25 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving > > LOL! OMG, you really are determined to imply things aren't you? Words, > words, > words, Bala, just more empty words from you. Please stop this bizarre thing > you're doing. > > > > On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 10:10 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra > wrote: > > Thats great. Because a lot of people who kept nagging me with offline emails > should now have their answers conclusive. Thanks Kermit, oops Julie! > >> >> >> >> > ________________________________ > From: Julie Kessler >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Sent: Mon, June 6, 2011 4:34:06 AM >> >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving >> >> >>Well, Bala, the answer to your questions is -- 1.) it's none of my business >> or >>yours whether he attends NASCAR races. 2.) I don't think he's posting much >>anywhere and I know he's working on some really cool prototypes on top of >> other >>things, so I think he probably chooses to spend his free time doing things >>offline to really get away from work and relax. Why don't you ask him why >> he's >>not posting anywhere? 3. I did indeed ask him the same questions, along >> with >>Paul and Dave, and got great answers. But I also asked here to get >> different >>perspectives and more info. >> >> >>By the way, the first variable record equalizers were made by Westrex, RCA, >> >>Fairchild, Presto, and others in the 1940's and 1950's; I've browsed our >> tech >>library a lot and found mention of variable record EQ as far back as 1927. >> Cool. >> >>One thing I've enjoyed working for Kermit is the "How It Was Done" lectures >> >>every other Friday where he leads us interns through one of his designs >> while >>building it all the while explaining all the decisions and criteria that >> went >>into the equipment's design, usually with a Nak 500 to make before/after >>comparison tapes for us to hear as a way of explaining things. In other >> words, >>he explains the whole design process from concept to final design, every >> step of >>the way. I wish you and everyone on the list should attend one of those >>demonstrations and lectures, it's awesome. (I've suggested making podcasts >> of >>these lectures.) So I don't know where you come up with the bizarre notion >> that >>either he or Sony don't know what they're doing. Man, he, Dave and Paul >>definitely know what they're doing! >> >> >>On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 10:36 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra >> wrote: >> >>Julie, >>> >>>The question we all have for you is why Kermit, who is fit to attend >>> Nascar >>>races, isn't posting on Naktalk. Where is he, and why is he not answering >>> your >>>below questions? >>> >>> >>>The answer to your questions would be to speak to Dr Huber, and read his >>> papers >>>for a start. Also, read on the design of the McIntosh C-8, which was one >>> of the >>>first variable record equalizer available in the market. Today, KAB >>> Acoustics >>>makes some affordable units that help tackle this problems as well. Make >>> some >>>thing to drink for yourself, and two ice-teas which is Kermit's favorite >>> drink. >>>Put the second one in the fridge is his listening room, and have a good >>> talk >>>with him - he is a very knowledgeable guy who sometimes hasn't a clue why >>> he is >>>doing what he is doing. Just like Sony. >>> >>> >>>Bala >>> >>> >>> >>> > ________________________________ > >>>From: Julie Kessler >>> >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Sent: Sun, June 5, 2011 7:28:56 AM >>> >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving >>> >>> >>>Hi, >>> >>>I have a question about this for all of you. I know what the guys here in >>> the >>>studio say on the topic, but I just wanted some of you guys' thoughts. As >>> I >>>understand it, FM Acoustics "linearization" is really just variable EQ, >>> which is >>>a great thing (one of our phono preamps has variable EQ & the other has 12 >>> EQ >>>curves with a program EQ to compensate). So the idea is to get the EQ as >>> close >>>to perfect, while correcting for record wear, deviations from the standard >>> EQ >>>during cutting and the influence of cartridge frequency response on >>> playback EQ >>>accuracy (the cartridge's frequency response will cause the playback to >>> differ >>>from textbook perfect EQ, right?). I have learned that altering the >>> record's >>>reproduce EQ sounds really different than trying to use tone controls to >>>correct. It sounds better, I think. >>> >>> >>>So here's my questions: >>> >>>1. Sometimes a record mastering engineer tweaks the record EQ as a way of >>>correcting for something in the record and/or just because he/she thinks >>> it >>>sounds better. So why should we be undoing what the mastering engineer >>> did, >>>unless the answer is we like the sound better. >>> >>> >>>2. Unless you're correcting by ear, how can you know what the deviation >>> from >>>textbook playback EQ is, plus deviations made by the mastering engineer,, >>> plus >>>changes caused by record wear and all the other things? Even if you have >>> the >>>precise calibration standard used by the studio that cut the original >>> record >>>master, there's really no way to know for sure. So you really have to do >>> this >>>all by ear, right? So then you can run into the trap of also EQing for >>> your >>>speakers, your cartridge, your own listening tastes., the room sound and a >>> whole >>>bunch of other things. >>> >>> >>>I've been having the most problems learning how to get EQ right, there >>> seems to >>>be no absolute way to know what "correct" is unless you just make >>> assumptions or >>>have a whole bunch of calibration things, and even then that strill seems >>> like >>>ust being arbitrary to me. >>> >>> >>>Or am I just being way too blonde about all of this? >>> >>> >>>On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Rick Hils wrote: >>> >>>Bala, >>>>Thanks for telling me about Dr. Manuel Huber. He is, no doubt, a >>>> brilliant >>>>engineer. I'll try using a variable EQ set at an octave width, a 5 db >>>> gain, and >>>>sweep some freq. ranges. >>>>And I'll try to find some of Dr. Huber's material. >>>>-Regards, Rick >>>> >>>> >>>>________________________________ > Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 06:20:54 -0700 >>>> >>>>From: bg3009 at yahoo.com >>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving >>>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>> >>>> >>>>Hi Rick, >>>> >>>>I respect your way of doing things. I always felt similar until I >>>> attended a >>>>talk by FM Acoustics' founder Dr. Huber who demonstrated to us the >>>> importance of >>>>variable EQ. Even slight modulations in the standard RIAA curve, as you >>>> might >>>>know, brings immense difference in the sound quality. Even 70s pop >>>> records that >>>>sounded compressed sounded much livelier and bigger thanks to a more >>>> accurate >>>>reproduction curve. Correct cart loading (which you have mentioned), and >>>> correct >>>>record playback linearization are two things that are so important and >>>> yet >>>>overlooked with such regularity listeners do not know what they are >>>> missing out. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Regards, >>>>Bala >>>> >>>> > ________________________________ > From: Rick Hils >>>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>Sent: Sat, June 4, 2011 9:07:55 AM >>>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] LP archiving >>>> >>>>Bala, >>>>I don't have the knowledge to test and to, therefore, report any >>>> findings. I >>>>will say that when I use my Shure V15 III cartridge with my Concept >>>> receiver, >>>>the results are very good. The Concept receivers use a phono input >>>> impedance of >>>>50k, which is appropriate for the Shure V15. As long as I am hearing >>>> enough >>>>detail in the mid to upper mid-range, then I am happy. I'm not so >>>> concerned >>>>about whether or not the low end goes down to 30 or 20 hz. >>>> >>>>As far as computer wave editing goes, I try to avoid tweaking the wav >>>> file too >>>>much. I prefer to leave the phasing characteristics of the original >>>> unaltered. I >>>>also feel that light surface noise from the original LP is better left >>>> alone. >>>>Much better to hear it all than to muffle any of the highs. >>>>-Regards, Rick >>>> >>>> >>>>________________________________ > Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 04:58:38 -0700 >>>>From: bg3009 at yahoo.com >>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving >>>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>> >>>> >>>>Hi Rick, >>>> >>>>I suppose that term comes as a translation from the Swiss guys. I was >>>> asking >>>>more specifically about how you control cartridge loading and playback >>>> curve of >>>>the records you transcribe. >>>> >>>> >>>>Bala >>>> >>>> "What You didn't see, you didn't know" >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > ________________________________ > From: Rick Hils >>>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>Sent: Fri, June 3, 2011 5:21:06 AM >>>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] LP archiving >>>> >>>>Bala, >>>>You ask what type of "phono linearization" do I use? Well, that could >>>> cover lots >>>>of things starting from the tone arm tracking and then on to the RIAA >>>> phono eq >>>>fidelity in my Concept receiver and then on to the impedance match >>>> between the >>>>receiver outputs and the E-MU A/D converter inputs. To be fair, I haven't >>>> >>>>checked the linearity of my RCA phono cables lately so that might be what >>>> you >>>>are asking about. I don't know. The anti-skate on my tone arm may be set >>>> a >>>>quarter of a gram off. >>>>But the art of vinyl record reproduction has and always will be a >>>> compromise of >>>>imperfections. We all make reasonable attempts to achieve the best sound, >>>> and >>>>that means to our own ears as well as what the test equipment shows. For >>>> me, the >>>>two most important issues are the musicality of the phono cartridge and >>>> the >>>>clear sound of the playback speakers. What counts is that we get >>>> enjoyment from >>>>listening. >>>> >>>>Regards- Rick >>>> >>>>________________________________ > Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 07:33:43 -0700 >>>>From: bg3009 at yahoo.com >>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving >>>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>> >>>> >>>>Hi Rick, >>>> >>>>What type of phono linearization do you use? >>>> >>>>Regards, >>>>Bala >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > ________________________________ > From: Rick Hils >>>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 12:14:48 PM >>>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] LP archiving >>>> >>>>If you want, give them my name. I can make very nice transfers. I use a >>>> Thorens >>>>TD 145 with Shure V15 III and I also have a Lenco heavy platter table >>>> than has >>>>infinite speed adjust from 16 rpm to 78 rpm. I can either go straight >>>> into my >>>>E-MU 96/24 convertor or first into my Nak BX-300 and then to the DAC. >>>>The situation is that I am close to the 91601 zip code (Los Angeles >>>> area) and >>>>can possibly pick up the records myself. I would do one record side to >>>> see if >>>>it meets with your friends needs. >>>>Rick >>>>email: rhils at hotmail.com >>>> >>>>> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 14:11:31 -0700 >>>>> From: fripp_em at yahoo.com >>>>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>> Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving >>>>> >>>>> I seem to remember there was someone on naktalk (West of the >>>>> Mississippi) who >>>>>did professional transfers of cassette and LP collections to digital? I >>>>> can't >>>>>remember who that was but I know someone who wants to do this with a >>>>> large >>>>>collection of LPs (I guess some are rare). If it was one or two records >>>>> I'd >>>>>consider it, but it's not my career:-) Anyone remember who that was? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> David >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>> Maintain your account here: >>>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>>Also check out the wiki! >>>>http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.commailinglist Maintain your account here: >>>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>>Also check out the wiki! >>>>http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: >>>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>>Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>>Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: >>>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>> >>> >>>-- >>>-- Julie Kessler >>>juliek at kvglabs.com >>>Artist Development Executive >>>KVG Laboratories >>>I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered >>>http://www.kvglabs.com >>> >>> >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >> >>-- >>-- Julie Kessler >>juliek at kvglabs.com >>Artist Development Executive >>KVG Laboratories >>I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered >>http://www.kvglabs.com >> >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > -- > -- Julie Kessler > juliek at kvglabs.com > Artist Development Executive > KVG Laboratories > I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered > http://www.kvglabs.com From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 7 06:45:54 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 21:45:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving In-Reply-To: References: <272692.69932.qm@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <539442.97382.qm@web160619.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <106824.92525.qm@web160603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <483776.35120.qm@web160608.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <71760.6539.qm@web160608.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <254419.27194.qm@web160614.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <784205.79781.qm@web160605.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <708767.7664.qm@web160614.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> In almost every private conversation I have with other Naktalkers, the one issue that dominates our conversation is how much Naktalk has changed. This definitely has to improve so that we have a better place to 'talk shop'. I have relinquished my moderator role in Naktalk a long time ago. The fact that all my messages have made it to the list is a firm endorsement by the moderators to my opinion. I Naktalk for serious Nakkers and 'tapeheads' please. Bala ________________________________ From: MD To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, June 7, 2011 1:29:52 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving I'm too a little tired of that KVG Labs PR thing...I guess Bala is not alone with his opinion.I've seen many people come and go due to ignorancy among other things.We live in a different world in part due to "internet transparency" and it's more difficult to sell "snake's oil" now.Nothing personal,just the facts.Best,M On 6/6/11, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Well Julie, I have more then words. I have pictures to show that I know more > then just Kermit and KVG Labs. But all this fantastic hyperbole coming from > you > is just that: fantastic hyperbole. I can't imagine any business in the world > that do what you do not having to publicise themselves. People are not > buying it > and over the days, the silent majority have started speaking. So, please, > stop > this bizarre thing you are doing and put away that blong wig. > > > Bala > > > ________________________________ > From: Julie Kessler > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Tue, June 7, 2011 6:40:25 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving > > LOL! OMG, you really are determined to imply things aren't you? Words, > words, > words, Bala, just more empty words from you. Please stop this bizarre thing > you're doing. > > > > On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 10:10 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra > wrote: > > Thats great. Because a lot of people who kept nagging me with offline emails > should now have their answers conclusive. Thanks Kermit, oops Julie! > >> >> >> >> > ________________________________ > From: Julie Kessler >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Sent: Mon, June 6, 2011 4:34:06 AM >> >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving >> >> >>Well, Bala, the answer to your questions is -- 1.) it's none of my business >> or >>yours whether he attends NASCAR races. 2.) I don't think he's posting much >>anywhere and I know he's working on some really cool prototypes on top of >> other >>things, so I think he probably chooses to spend his free time doing things >>offline to really get away from work and relax. Why don't you ask him why >> he's >>not posting anywhere? 3. I did indeed ask him the same questions, along >> with >>Paul and Dave, and got great answers. But I also asked here to get >> different >>perspectives and more info. >> >> >>By the way, the first variable record equalizers were made by Westrex, RCA, >> >>Fairchild, Presto, and others in the 1940's and 1950's; I've browsed our >> tech >>library a lot and found mention of variable record EQ as far back as 1927. >> Cool. >> >>One thing I've enjoyed working for Kermit is the "How It Was Done" lectures >> >>every other Friday where he leads us interns through one of his designs >> while >>building it all the while explaining all the decisions and criteria that >> went >>into the equipment's design, usually with a Nak 500 to make before/after >>comparison tapes for us to hear as a way of explaining things. In other >> words, >>he explains the whole design process from concept to final design, every >> step of >>the way. I wish you and everyone on the list should attend one of those >>demonstrations and lectures, it's awesome. (I've suggested making podcasts >> of >>these lectures.) So I don't know where you come up with the bizarre notion >> that >>either he or Sony don't know what they're doing. Man, he, Dave and Paul >>definitely know what they're doing! >> >> >>On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 10:36 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra >> wrote: >> >>Julie, >>> >>>The question we all have for you is why Kermit, who is fit to attend >>> Nascar >>>races, isn't posting on Naktalk. Where is he, and why is he not answering >>> your >>>below questions? >>> >>> >>>The answer to your questions would be to speak to Dr Huber, and read his >>> papers >>>for a start. Also, read on the design of the McIntosh C-8, which was one >>> of the >>>first variable record equalizer available in the market. Today, KAB >>> Acoustics >>>makes some affordable units that help tackle this problems as well. Make >>> some >>>thing to drink for yourself, and two ice-teas which is Kermit's favorite >>> drink. >>>Put the second one in the fridge is his listening room, and have a good >>> talk >>>with him - he is a very knowledgeable guy who sometimes hasn't a clue why >>> he is >>>doing what he is doing. Just like Sony. >>> >>> >>>Bala >>> >>> >>> >>> > ________________________________ > >>>From: Julie Kessler >>> >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Sent: Sun, June 5, 2011 7:28:56 AM >>> >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving >>> >>> >>>Hi, >>> >>>I have a question about this for all of you. I know what the guys here in >>> the >>>studio say on the topic, but I just wanted some of you guys' thoughts. As >>> I >>>understand it, FM Acoustics "linearization" is really just variable EQ, >>> which is >>>a great thing (one of our phono preamps has variable EQ & the other has 12 >>> EQ >>>curves with a program EQ to compensate). So the idea is to get the EQ as >>> close >>>to perfect, while correcting for record wear, deviations from the standard >>> EQ >>>during cutting and the influence of cartridge frequency response on >>> playback EQ >>>accuracy (the cartridge's frequency response will cause the playback to >>> differ >>>from textbook perfect EQ, right?). I have learned that altering the >>> record's >>>reproduce EQ sounds really different than trying to use tone controls to >>>correct. It sounds better, I think. >>> >>> >>>So here's my questions: >>> >>>1. Sometimes a record mastering engineer tweaks the record EQ as a way of >>>correcting for something in the record and/or just because he/she thinks >>> it >>>sounds better. So why should we be undoing what the mastering engineer >>> did, >>>unless the answer is we like the sound better. >>> >>> >>>2. Unless you're correcting by ear, how can you know what the deviation >>> from >>>textbook playback EQ is, plus deviations made by the mastering engineer,, >>> plus >>>changes caused by record wear and all the other things? Even if you have >>> the >>>precise calibration standard used by the studio that cut the original >>> record >>>master, there's really no way to know for sure. So you really have to do >>> this >>>all by ear, right? So then you can run into the trap of also EQing for >>> your >>>speakers, your cartridge, your own listening tastes., the room sound and a >>> whole >>>bunch of other things. >>> >>> >>>I've been having the most problems learning how to get EQ right, there >>> seems to >>>be no absolute way to know what "correct" is unless you just make >>> assumptions or >>>have a whole bunch of calibration things, and even then that strill seems >>> like >>>ust being arbitrary to me. >>> >>> >>>Or am I just being way too blonde about all of this? >>> >>> >>>On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Rick Hils wrote: >>> >>>Bala, >>>>Thanks for telling me about Dr. Manuel Huber. He is, no doubt, a >>>> brilliant >>>>engineer. I'll try using a variable EQ set at an octave width, a 5 db >>>> gain, and >>>>sweep some freq. ranges. >>>>And I'll try to find some of Dr. Huber's material. >>>>-Regards, Rick >>>> >>>> >>>>________________________________ > Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 06:20:54 -0700 >>>> >>>>From: bg3009 at yahoo.com >>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving >>>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>> >>>> >>>>Hi Rick, >>>> >>>>I respect your way of doing things. I always felt similar until I >>>> attended a >>>>talk by FM Acoustics' founder Dr. Huber who demonstrated to us the >>>> importance of >>>>variable EQ. Even slight modulations in the standard RIAA curve, as you >>>> might >>>>know, brings immense difference in the sound quality. Even 70s pop >>>> records that >>>>sounded compressed sounded much livelier and bigger thanks to a more >>>> accurate >>>>reproduction curve. Correct cart loading (which you have mentioned), and >>>> correct >>>>record playback linearization are two things that are so important and >>>> yet >>>>overlooked with such regularity listeners do not know what they are >>>> missing out. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Regards, >>>>Bala >>>> >>>> > ________________________________ > From: Rick Hils >>>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>Sent: Sat, June 4, 2011 9:07:55 AM >>>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] LP archiving >>>> >>>>Bala, >>>>I don't have the knowledge to test and to, therefore, report any >>>> findings. I >>>>will say that when I use my Shure V15 III cartridge with my Concept >>>> receiver, >>>>the results are very good. The Concept receivers use a phono input >>>> impedance of >>>>50k, which is appropriate for the Shure V15. As long as I am hearing >>>> enough >>>>detail in the mid to upper mid-range, then I am happy. I'm not so >>>> concerned >>>>about whether or not the low end goes down to 30 or 20 hz. >>>> >>>>As far as computer wave editing goes, I try to avoid tweaking the wav >>>> file too >>>>much. I prefer to leave the phasing characteristics of the original >>>> unaltered. I >>>>also feel that light surface noise from the original LP is better left >>>> alone. >>>>Much better to hear it all than to muffle any of the highs. >>>>-Regards, Rick >>>> >>>> >>>>________________________________ > Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 04:58:38 -0700 >>>>From: bg3009 at yahoo.com >>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving >>>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>> >>>> >>>>Hi Rick, >>>> >>>>I suppose that term comes as a translation from the Swiss guys. I was >>>> asking >>>>more specifically about how you control cartridge loading and playback >>>> curve of >>>>the records you transcribe. >>>> >>>> >>>>Bala >>>> >>>> "What You didn't see, you didn't know" >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > ________________________________ > From: Rick Hils >>>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>Sent: Fri, June 3, 2011 5:21:06 AM >>>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] LP archiving >>>> >>>>Bala, >>>>You ask what type of "phono linearization" do I use? Well, that could >>>> cover lots >>>>of things starting from the tone arm tracking and then on to the RIAA >>>> phono eq >>>>fidelity in my Concept receiver and then on to the impedance match >>>> between the >>>>receiver outputs and the E-MU A/D converter inputs. To be fair, I haven't >>>> >>>>checked the linearity of my RCA phono cables lately so that might be what >>>> you >>>>are asking about. I don't know. The anti-skate on my tone arm may be set >>>> a >>>>quarter of a gram off. >>>>But the art of vinyl record reproduction has and always will be a >>>> compromise of >>>>imperfections. We all make reasonable attempts to achieve the best sound, >>>> and >>>>that means to our own ears as well as what the test equipment shows. For >>>> me, the >>>>two most important issues are the musicality of the phono cartridge and >>>> the >>>>clear sound of the playback speakers. What counts is that we get >>>> enjoyment from >>>>listening. >>>> >>>>Regards- Rick >>>> >>>>________________________________ > Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 07:33:43 -0700 >>>>From: bg3009 at yahoo.com >>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving >>>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>> >>>> >>>>Hi Rick, >>>> >>>>What type of phono linearization do you use? >>>> >>>>Regards, >>>>Bala >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > ________________________________ > From: Rick Hils >>>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 12:14:48 PM >>>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] LP archiving >>>> >>>>If you want, give them my name. I can make very nice transfers. I use a >>>> Thorens >>>>TD 145 with Shure V15 III and I also have a Lenco heavy platter table >>>> than has >>>>infinite speed adjust from 16 rpm to 78 rpm. I can either go straight >>>> into my >>>>E-MU 96/24 convertor or first into my Nak BX-300 and then to the DAC. >>>>The situation is that I am close to the 91601 zip code (Los Angeles >>>> area) and >>>>can possibly pick up the records myself. I would do one record side to >>>> see if >>>>it meets with your friends needs. >>>>Rick >>>>email: rhils at hotmail.com >>>> >>>>> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 14:11:31 -0700 >>>>> From: fripp_em at yahoo.com >>>>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>> Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving >>>>> >>>>> I seem to remember there was someone on naktalk (West of the >>>>> Mississippi) who >>>>>did professional transfers of cassette and LP collections to digital? I >>>>> can't >>>>>remember who that was but I know someone who wants to do this with a >>>>> large >>>>>collection of LPs (I guess some are rare). If it was one or two records >>>>> I'd >>>>>consider it, but it's not my career:-) Anyone remember who that was? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> David >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>> Maintain your account here: >>>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>>Also check out the wiki! >>>>http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> Naktalk at naks.commailinglist Maintain your account here: >>>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>>Also check out the wiki! >>>>http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: >>>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>>Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>>Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: >>>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>> >>> >>>-- >>>-- Julie Kessler >>>juliek at kvglabs.com >>>Artist Development Executive >>>KVG Laboratories >>>I Found The Sound! 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Individually Custom Engineered > http://www.kvglabs.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ericeholtz at yahoo.com Mon Jun 6 04:52:38 2011 From: ericeholtz at yahoo.com (eric holtz) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 19:52:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] MR-1B Equalization Message-ID: <175745.90887.qm@web126010.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Hello, Ron, you were correct about the different equalization curve used in the MR-1B. The only way to visually check which unit is which, is to look at the underneath. The MR-1B has a small white dot stuck to the outside of the bottom plate, while the MR-1 does not. I hope this helps. Eric -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hhtltd at juno.com Mon Jun 6 05:09:20 2011 From: hhtltd at juno.com (hhtltd at juno.com) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 23:09:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck advice sought. Message-ID: <20110605.230921.2776.1.hhtltd@juno.com> AMEN!!! NCM On Sun, 5 Jun 2011 10:24:35 -0700 "Adrian Mechner" writes: I wonder how you Nak owners can go into this kind of topic. EQ, is the same on all models and for sure it�s a standard in the industrie. Only because the production has stopped a long time ago and the vast majority of decks survive up to a point being resuscitated from time to time, they will start having different sound. Deviations appear after 1000 hours of normal play, not to talk about gazillions of hours; you really can�t expect perfect conservation over 30-40 years in service. In a normal world, you would have a place to service your gear periodically, change parts as needed and have standard settings at all times. This world is not given, therefore you have to live with what you got or the best you can make out of it. Different brands will have different sound and there is no �IDEAL SOUND�. The differences are not to be located in the recording industrie standard because the guide lines are same as building codes. If there would have been deviations from the standard in terms of EQ, BIAS which would make the recordings to be brand or model specific, you would have been told in the owners manual about it. The differences as of today are caused by wear and wear only. Again, I�m not talking about different �kind� of sound, but of the standard used in recording. Let�s take for instance the MR 1 or 2. This line is PRO grade; the MR1 is a 3 head and the MR2 is a 2 head. For those believing that a 2 head is bad for recording, I must say they are very wrong. I don�t know how it�s build in terms of components, but the MR2 records superbly; I would say even better then entry level 3 head setups like the CR3. Don�t ask why because I don�t know the answer. So, back to the idea of interchangeability; if the 2 head MR2 is meant for play only (some would say), where does the recording come from? On the other hand, like I mentioned in a previous post, my MR2 comes from a local radio station. I was told that it was used if they had guests on their live shows who where, let�s say, musicians and they brought in a cassette with a new song to be played during the show. That was one of the times they used MR2. professionally. This discussion could go on and on but trust me, deviations come from wear and leak in spare parts. Have a sunny Sunday! P.S. Find a deck with as low hours as you can get and it will give you more pleasure then the rating of the model in the line up. BTW I will sell my Naks (MR2 and CR3) anyone interested? From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2011 7:22 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette deck advice sought. I believe Nakamichi made some MR-1s to match the standard IEC equalization curve (MR-1B). I also believe these were not clearly marked as such and therefore, may be difficult to identify. Also, CR-7s that have the EQ mod installed produce very nice sounding tapes that sound just fine on non-Nak (but quality) decks. I am not sure they actually follow the standard curve, though. As a side note: I am very happy with my CR-7 and have no hesitation generally (not just this issue) recommending this model. However, be aware that to contain the EQ mod, a deck should either be a late production unit or have been modified to include it. -- Ron --- On Sat, 6/4/11, Julie Kessler wrote: From: Julie Kessler Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck advice sought. To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Saturday, June 4, 2011, 10:46 PM Hello All, I'm getting ready to buy my second cassette deck and need some advice. I love my Nakamichi 550, but tapes I make on it don't sound right on my friends' cassettes, because Nakamichi 550's don't use the same EQ as other brands (do I have that right?). So, all I can do if I want to share is have my friends bring their recorder by and copy to their cassette. Right now I'm borrowing a friend's Pioneer CT-F1000, and it's actually pretty good but not as detailed as my Nakamichi 550 So here's my questions: Which Nakamichi's have the same EQ as everyone else, or all they all non-standard? IF one of the Nakamichi's have standard EQ, which is the most neutral sounding? I'd like to match the "feel" of the sound of my Revox A77 Mk. III Dolby as close as possible, if that makes any sense. If no Nakamichi has standard EQ, then I'm trying to decide between these cassette decks -- Revox B710 Mk. II, Tandberg TCD-440, or Bang & Olufsen 9000 (I know where I can get a B&O 9000 really cheap, about the same cost as a pair of Flip-Flops). Thanks for all your advice! -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered http://www.kvglabs.com -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------======== = Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------======== = Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======== = ____________________________________________________________ Groupon.com Official Site 1 huge daily deal on the best stuff to do in your city. Try it today! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4dec4516e4705f785m06duc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From josephjean at verizon.net Mon Jun 6 05:19:33 2011 From: josephjean at verizon.net (goodguy) Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2011 23:19:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck advice sought. In-Reply-To: <829828.30352.qm@web80208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <365095.16113.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <829828.30352.qm@web80208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0LMC00BLEMKIKE00@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> Mike, Before I bought my Dragon (which I love), have you ever had the chance of doing a comparison with the B710? At 04:43 PM 6/5/2011, you wrote: >Actually mine is a Studer A710 but it should be the same as the >Revox B710 MK-II except with balanced input/output interconnects. > > >Mike > > >From: Julie Kessler >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Sun, June 5, 2011 1:40:20 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette deck advice sought. > >Oh, I am so relieved .. your comment confirmed what I've been >hearing from the studio's Revox B710 Mk. II, and we have a dead >Tandberg TCD420, so I believe you on the T'berg. But the B&O is just so cute! > >On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 10:30 PM, LENA WONG ><lenaw at flash.net> wrote: >Hi Julie: > For non-Nakamichi Decks, the Revox B710 MK-II is a > nice recording deck but the playback is not that good. The Tandberg > TCD-440 has record head Azimuth Adjustment Control just like some > Naks and it has very sweet sound but it broke down a lot. Lately > the power supply capacitors blown and needed to be fixed. The B&O > Becord 9000 has unusual features in the auto-tape calibration area > ( Bias, Equalization, Sensistivity and Distortion Level ) and it is > a nice sounding deck but its built quality is not as high as > others. The Distortion Level in the tape calibration procedure is > pretty unique. The meters seem flimsy and over-simplify but it does > the job it supposes to do. It is a single-motor/capstan transport > but its W&F level is very low. > > I own all three decks and from the reliability point > of view I would pick the Revox. Based on my past listening > experience on these three decks all three are fine recording decks > but finding a properly serviced Beocord 9000 will be tough. > Tandberg can still be serviced without costing you a fortune. > > The above is just my own opinion and it only > represents mine. Hope this help. > > >Good Listening, >Mike > > >From: Julie Kessler ><juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com> >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks ><naktalk at naks.com> >Sent: Sat, June 4, 2011 9:46:19 PM >Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck advice sought. > >Hello All, > >I'm getting ready to buy my second cassette deck and need some >advice. I love my Nakamichi 550, but tapes I make on it don't sound >right on my friends' cassettes, because Nakamichi 550's don't use >the same EQ as other brands (do I have that right?). So, all I can >do if I want to share is have my friends bring their recorder by and >copy to their cassette. Right now I'm borrowing a friend's Pioneer >CT-F1000, and it's actually pretty good but not as detailed as my Nakamichi 550 > >So here's my questions: > >Which Nakamichi's have the same EQ as everyone else, or all they all >non-standard? IF one of the Nakamichi's have standard EQ, which is >the most neutral sounding? I'd like to match the "feel" of the sound >of my Revox A77 Mk. III Dolby as close as possible, if that makes any sense. > >If no Nakamichi has standard EQ, then I'm trying to decide between >these cassette decks -- Revox B710 Mk. II, Tandberg TCD-440, or Bang >& Olufsen 9000 (I know where I can get a B&O 9000 really cheap, >about the same cost as a pair of Flip-Flops). > >Thanks for all your advice! > >-- Julie Kessler >juliek at kvglabs.com >Artist Development Executive >KVG Laboratories >I Found The Sound! 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Individually Custom Engineered >http://www.kvglabs.com > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland When momentum meets resistance, push harder. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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A narrow head gap is very desirable for a playback head - for extended HF response, but record heads need to have a wider gap for optimum linearity and bias current. There is also the issue of optimum impedance. Nakamichi obviously took the 3 head approach a step further by physically separating the record and play heads. I don't want to fuel a debate on 2 head vs 3 head, but from a technical standpoint, a well designed discrete head (3 head) deck will offer much better performance than any 2 head deck. Cheers David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From adrian at mechner.net Mon Jun 6 08:30:23 2011 From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 23:30:23 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] LP arcaico In-Reply-To: <480209.48017.qm@web160614.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <530049.21163.qm@web160616.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40338E0F8@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br> <514037.18583.qm@web160611.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <54853.318.qm@web160617.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <874940.97038.qm@web160601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <480209.48017.qm@web160614.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <045d01cc2413$379a0100$a6ce0300$@net> Nak has to do with loving music and that again is entertaining and listening to music being entertained you might want to have a glass of nice wine on a Sunday evening... And now I get into "in Vino Veritas" for those who know what that means (other look it up!) How many of you are the "First Owner of a Nakamichi Product"? How many of you guys bought your Nakamichi new and still own it? My presumption is: less then 10%. My guess is because of age and because of affordability at the time models where current. A few questions: 1.) Who buys a Nakamichi deck? 2.) Who uses it for listening? 3.) Who uses it to make a buck? (like old times when you copied vinyl for others) 4.) Who where the people who could afford in the golden era to spend ~1000 on a cassette deck for their own pleasure? 5.) Why would you keep using a cassette deck as your prime source as of today? Short vision of answers of a music lover and consumer after having a glass of wine: Answers: 1.) Back in the '80 th you could spend ~1000 bucks on a cassette deck or on a 3 year old car. or on a year of mortgage or on 80 pairs of shoes or feed your household of five for a year. I would call those people : - wealthy - eccentric - addicted audiophiles - nuts - business people (the ones making a buck with piratry) 2.) Audiophiles with a large wallet 3.) Almost all wealthy collegue kids with antreprenorial feelig 4.) Multiple answer: - out of nostalgie - because that's all you can do - because you can afford it now - because you didn't want to die before owning a Nak - because your dad told you that who has a Nak owns the world - because Nak used to be top of the tops (according to some voices) Conclusion: Like other things in life: Football club, Church, Wife, Kids, Your country, city and probably many others you will keep defending on and on the Naks; Don't get upset if someone will tell you that there's a life after Nak. Audiophiles have shifted a long time ago to different sources, money makers found different sources of making money, spenders found it reasonable to buy 6k+ "Power conditioners" and audiophiles have the rest of the world for themselves: Listening to music and not bother about: Eq, BIAS, Capstans, Motors and where to find tapes, cassettes and calibration tools. Since the rules of spending have changed and a "high end" called setup exceeds 20k, the Naktalk ( where the max spent does not exceed 3k) becomes small talk. EQ, BIAS and all other scientific talk have no value at all in today's market. The only thing that counts as of today are: 1. ) Made in England 2. ) Pure sound (no bass and treble) - not to talk about EQ and reengineering spectrum 3. ) DAC 4. ) Source When I listen to people talking about reengineering tracks I can die laughing...Those people pose as knowledgeable... Are those composers? NO, I believe not. Why change the sound of music? Recently people posted opinions about Vinyl and expressed themselves so that others might believe that they are sort of "Audio Gurus" but again I can only amuse myself. (I don't mean the Kermit and the other's guy writing of software and modding cartridges, but more the guy who questioned those) Are you serious? Naks are nice, no question about that but as of today you being a audiophile have different sources or you got old and your ears didn't keep up with the development of the human race. I won't deny the value of this website in terms of helping others keeping their gear working, don't get me wrong please, but please try to stay realistic in terms of value, money spent, and acoustics. And again: In Vino Veritas! From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2011 8:59 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico Hi Julie, I am not going to get into an argument here with you or anyone else; but here and on the website all we see are words. There has been absolutely nothing on the website or anywhere else about all this innovation going on. Leica, Porshe and other secretive manufacturers have opened up their plants - heck even Area 51 pictures about the A-12 recon plane being tested have been opened up. So what is in it for being so secretive? I am sure lots of prospective customers would want to see with their eyes. Stuff has been circulating and every email that you send only adds more weight to what a lot of people here have suspected. I am just asking the questions because some of them have been asking me, and I don't know! If you want to question attitudes, then you are questioning the attitude of lots of people here. So take it easy. I am not one of those who tear others down; People have tried to tear me down, but I stand here today backed by many, many encouraging messages from Naktalkers who see through my emails. Affluence, money and status can buy many things, but only passion stands the test of time. _____ From: Julie Kessler To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Mon, June 6, 2011 4:18:41 AM Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico I'm rolling my eyes, Bala. Oh brother, why do you have to have such an attitude? By the way, that's all I see out of you and everyone else is "words words words" but so what? I don't appreciate you implying that I'm a liar. You're really out of line. You don't work here, but I do, so you truly don't know what you're talking about. I always appreciate new and different opinions, but I think the group is best served if you keep your innuendos and character besmirching to yourself and speak on what you actually have firsthand knowledge about. Sorry to be snippy, but really, who do you think you are making statements like that about a business you know nothing about and about situations you know nothing about? I've noticed this is a growing trend on Internet forums -- people makig blanket condemnations or criticisms about things they haven't seen or heard. I think it's just that some people think they way they can live people up is by tearing someone else down. I hope you're not that petty, but so far from what you're showing me about yourself.... On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 10:13 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hmm..seeing is believing. So far none of us has seen anything except words, words and more words. _____ From: Julie Kessler To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sun, June 5, 2011 5:28:13 AM Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico Bala, Kermit hired some programmers to write the custom software for us. I imagine it was expensive but I don't know, and I can't say about how the software works, but it's pretty amazing to watch. Yes indeed, the boss is loaded because the business has been really successful the last year or so. It's inspiring to me to see how hard work and out-of-the-box ideas can pay off, and how old gear like Nakamichi cassettes can still be really useful in a modern studio. From what everyone's been telling me, the secret to Kermit's success has always been having unique, custom made equipment, including software. This is such a great place to work! You sneak in a Wilson Benesch Full Circle when the boss is out of the building all day long to a NASCAR event with friends. On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 8:13 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: A custom program that 'declicks, denoises, EQ and Dyanamic processing'? That usually stuff that's subject of phsycho-acoustics and patented algorithms. Either you are kidding us or your boss is loaded! How do you 'sneak' in a WB Full Circle? Bala _____ From: Julie Kessler To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sat, June 4, 2011 9:15:57 AM Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico Hi! That's a great answer. I guess I was being literal and answering how to transfer LPs with Audacity. We have Audacity, but it's only used for training purposes, the software we actually use to make digital archive recordings is custom-programmed and it declicks, denoises, applies EQ and dynamics processing, various enhancers and then splits the LP into separate song tracks all in one pass so it's really efficient; with all the records we archive we wouldn't get anything done with Audacity or typical software. Kermit, Dave and Paul try to do as much EQ, click and denoising with hardware instead of software. We have two hardware declickers and five hardware denoisers and our preamp can EQ any record ever made correctly and compensate for wear and non-standard EQ curves. That way the software doesn't have much to do. You're really right about cleaning first, and the guys use the VPI machine to clean the record as good as possible. As far as styli, Kermit has a place in England make us a set of 30 different styli with all sorts of different sizes and shapes to fit the groove as good as can be to reduce noise and wear for the Stanton 681EEE to play 78's right and 5 different styli for LP's and 45's that fit the Ortofon VMS-20 + 2 custom styli for the Shure V-15 Type III which is Kermit's favorite. The turntable we use has a straightline tonearm and it moves like the original cutter did; all three guys modified the turntable to the max and I bet Rabco/Harmon-Kardon wouldn't recognize its insides. I can always tell which of the guys did the re-recordig job. Paul tends to use nothing but the hardware and won't use any software processing, and he'll sweat bullts getting the settings right. Kermit uses both software and hardware and tends to process very little, just the really bad pops and noise, but he gets really into the EQ and often uses dynamic range expanders to undo overcompression, which I think is his pet peeve. Dave just goes all hog wild and kills all the pops and ticks and noise and just like gets every processor to the max -- and I swear, by the time he's done he's made the LP sound like a CD (I think he goes overboard with it all). I t's really fun as an intern for me to watch the 3 of them get into arguments over how much processing a record needs. It's culture clash set to music. You have Kermit with his 1970's studio thing, then Paul is all into (how to say it?) "phono culture". Paul learned audio in the late 1980's and I've caught him sneaking his Wilson Benesch Full Circle turntable in and using it instead of our modifed Rabco. Dave's the youngest, he was trained in 2001 at a ProTools studio and just wants to process everything to be as noiseless as can be. The 3 guys never agree on anything to do with turntables and records but it's really coo that they get along like brothers! This really, really, isn't a boring place to work! My turntable has a Rek-O-Kut Micropoise tonearm that Paul modified, and I have one of Kermit's modified Shure V-15 Type IV cartridges. Awesome sound. On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 6:56 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: I suppose he was asking about his oldies on tape. Having said that, click and noise removal is something best done at the source level for records. Starting with a clean record,is an absolute essential. A good high-end cartridge with a good stylus profile greatly reduces noise and clicks by sitting well within the groove. Most earlier cartridge profiles do not do this and are influenced by the surface condition of the record. Surprisingly, the grooves rarely get damaged unless the record is played with a chipped or worn stylus, or if the record has bubbles or 'kink warps'. But I have seen good unipivot arms play warped records pretty well. If they are still there, leave it. Trying to correct clicks and pops ends rarely leaves the quality of the rest of the track unmolested. With a good set-up, records that were thought to click and pop badly came up absolutely quiet - so quiet you can hear the stop and start of the hiss of the master tape in between tracks. Boxes, devices and kludges best remain in museums. I envy you working for a great boss. Bala _____ From: Julie Kessler To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Fri, June 3, 2011 12:31:27 PM Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico Rodrigo, The procedure we use here goes like this: 1. Record the disc into the software. 2. Next, choose "Click Removal." Highlight all of the audio file waveform (i.e., "select the audio file" as a shorthand term for this) for processing. The default setting works okay, but you may have to Undo and retry a few times to get the best results. "Click removal" seems to work best before EQing for the record characteristic EQ. 3. If you don't have an equalized preamp, apply EQ using the software. Select all of the audio file for processing. Audacity has several record EQs listed under "Effect...Equalization." 4. Choose whichever EQ matches the disc. You can tweak the EQ graphically to correct for worn or off-standard discs. 5. Next, choose "Noise Removal." Delesect the file. Select a small part of the file where there is silence between tracks. Click "Get Noise Profile." Now, select the whole audio file and choose "Noise Removal" again. This time just click OK. The default setting works okay, but you may have to Undo and retry a few times to get the best results. 6. Now, listen to the whole audio file and when you get to silence between tracks highlight the silence between tracks and choose "Insert Silence." 7. Finally, go back and "cut up" the file into separate tracks by highlighting the waveform of the song and go to File..Export Selection." Name the file accordingly and choose the appropriate file formats to match what you want to do with the files. We recommend against using the Normalize or Compressor effects because they can really hurt the sound of your transfer but you can use them if you think they sound good, of course. I hope this helps! On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 7:11 AM, Rodrigo Krause wrote: Hi Bala, Would you mind sharing with us how you are doing this? I'm starting to look up how to put my wonderful "olies" ontape into digital. I'd much appreciate any inputs. Thank you in advance for any info you may share. Best regards, Rodrigo _____ De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Enviada em: Wed Jun 01 22:38:15 2011 Assunto: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving I am archiving many old and rare tape recordings onto digital now. After much trials, I managed to get the right format and setup that gives ticks all the boxes in terms of a digital format. It is a tedious task, but one that may be very important for posterity. Regards, Bala _____ From: fripp_em To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 7:11:31 AM Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving I seem to remember there was someone on naktalk (West of the Mississippi) who did professional transfers of cassette and LP collections to digital? I can't remember who that was but I know someone who wants to do this with a large collection of LPs (I guess some are rare). If it was one or two records I'd consider it, but it's not my career:-) Anyone remember who that was? 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URL: From letsboogienow at hotmail.com Mon Jun 6 16:58:27 2011 From: letsboogienow at hotmail.com (M I) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 10:58:27 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: ZX-9 reversed capacitors on MCB In-Reply-To: <990254839.1579311.1307359046850.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <990254839.1579311.1307359046850.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Perry, FWIW, the ZX-9 is belt sensitive and I suggest getting an original belt form ESL for the ZX-9. This is the only deck that uses the same Super Linear DD motor found in the Dragon. Note Ram's response as he was very happy after installing an ESL belt. I had a similar experience when the deck would play perfectly and then go blurry with no highs....Erik from ESL identified the problem over the phone and since I installed their belt its been amazing. A BX-300 belt is not a good idea. Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 11:17:26 +0000 From: perry.nak at comcast.net To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] RE: ZX-9 reversed capacitors on MCB Thanks, Ram, interesting to know it's not just these. Have you ever seen this occur with any other Nak belt? I've been through over 40 Naks, and this is the first one! I've contacted ESL for replacement belts. May try a BX-300 belt just to make sure it's operational, once I get the cap thing figured out.. Fred, thanks for the reply, but I'd rather not power it up until I have some kind of idea what is correct in the first place. My friend Vlad is going to look in his ZX-9, as you only need to remove the cover, and look at the 4 caps that make a perfect square on the motor control board to see if the NEG marking is through the silk screened large dot or not. It's pretty obvious, once you actually look for it. Seems odd that this hasn't been documented in any other posts here, or on any manual. But it could just be that with the low number of ZX-9 boards, unique amongst the Naks, not too many DIY techs have noticed this before. I've read your comment in the past about using Windex instead of IA on the goo, and I have to tell you, that has not been my experience at all. Is there a safety (your hazardous waste comment) or reactive reason to do this? Windex literally does very little to it in my experience, but smear it even more, whereas Q-tips (hate to waste good swabs on this chore) dipped in IA, remove it instantly. I've had plenty of tarry belts on other gear, like Yamaha tape decks and Mitsubishi turntables, and IA worked great. Perhaps different formulation belts dissolve easier with different solvents? I've already cleaned it up with IA, with no apparent issues, but I'd really like to know if there is a real reason to use WIndex, or just your preference. 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URL: From r1seals at yahoo.com Mon Jun 6 17:30:49 2011 From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 08:30:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 reversed capacitors on MCB In-Reply-To: <775270.5492.qm@web112702.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <376581.78481.qm@web113319.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> That is what I was going to say as well about the MEK. but I just use it ONLY on the flywheels and it takes all of the yellow varnish stuff of of them leaves them in like new shape and  I do the heads and pinch rollers only if they look like they are glazed up after that just good high proof 99% alcohol.  I hate to say that I use MEK every time someone  recommends this stuff it starts a flame war but if your  careful and read the caution on the can and don't get it on anything else it is a pretty good tool.  Perry are you going to get a belt from ESL or from Fred ? Russ --- On Mon, 6/6/11, shanti ramachandran wrote: From: shanti ramachandran Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-9 reversed capacitors on MCB To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, June 6, 2011, 8:30 AM I use Methyl Ethyl Ketone in a well ventilated area wearing gloves with a cotton swab to remove this rubber goo. Works like a charm. It so happened that an EL-7 Sony Elcaset and a Teac Elcaset deck came with tons of such goo from their thick capstan belts. IA did not do much on this rubber. Since then MEK has done the magic pretty well.. Make sure the plastic parts are not touched as MEK will spoil he finish...and please do not inhale it. Ram. --- On Mon, 6/6/11, Fred Longworth wrote: From: Fred Longworth Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-9 reversed capacitors on MCB To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, June 6, 2011, 3:20 AM On the capacitors, take a DMM (digital multimeter) and measure the voltages on the devices. Whatever is the most positive voltage should go to the (+) terminal on the capacitor. As for the belts, the tarry goo should be considered to be a hazardous waste.  Limit your exposure to the stuff. Windex is better to clean it up than alcohol. Fred Fred Longworth  MBA, CHMM Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F San Diego, CA 92116 (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 Fax: (619) 282-7872 classicaudiorepair at gmail.com stereo1 at cox.net www.repairaudio.com On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 6:34 PM, wrote: Picked up a cosmetically clean, yet operationally challenged ZX-9 (FINALLY!!!) for a good price.  Capstan belt had turned to tarry goo.  Anyone seen this on a real Nak belt before?  I actually also bought another ZX-9 (switchable voltage!) off Agon, not as good a price and haven't gotten it yet, also not working and the seller emailed me that he opened it up when it didn't work, and noticed the belt "had fallen apart", so he decided to sell it.  Sounds the same.  Is this for some strange reason common to ZX-9s? Did they use an odd formulation belt? Also, while restoring this one (for me, not selling these!) I noticed that C501 thru C504, which are 47uF 16V electrolytic caps on the MCB are installed  backwards, polarity wise, with reference to the silkscreen on the PCB, the schematic and the PCB diagram.  Is this one of those instances where polarity doesn't matter (I could substitute a Nichicon ES, perhaps), or is this an  intentional undocumented factory mod? It LOOKS intentional, as these 4 caps serve similar functions, and all the other caps are installed correctly per the PCB, but it just could be a regular old error, too. They are blue Shoei caps, and all measure good.  Spot on, in fact. 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URL: From lporretta at shaw.ca Mon Jun 6 21:39:55 2011 From: lporretta at shaw.ca (LUIS PORRETTA) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2011 12:39:55 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] LP arcaico In-Reply-To: References: <530049.21163.qm@web160616.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40338E0F8@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br> <514037.18583.qm@web160611.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <54853.318.qm@web160617.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <874940.97038.qm@web160601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <480209.48017.qm@web160614.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello, I am mainly a reader on this list, though I have been heavily involved in the audio world since the mid 1970's. I only have one thing to add: Why don't you two get a room, or find other ways of shutting the hell up! Luis (Porretta) > Bala, your comments makes no sense. Seriously. It's a shame you > can't accept > the success we've been having, but I guess that's your problem. > I have to > laugh at your comment, because the web site shows all sorts of > innovations,and as new products come out of the lab they get > added -- and start selling. > There's nothing secretive other than things like proprietary formulae, > design methods and so on, just like every other company has. > Good grief, all > the sound samples, all the product photos, and all the products > we have that > no one else has: Counterpoise and Varipoise transformers, > Varivox speakers, > EVAS, BLISS, and many others. Sorry if this comes off snarky, > but you're > just going have to get over this weird obsession you have with > this mythical > secrecy, and accept that Kermit, me, and everyone else is being quite > successful. > > "Only passion stands the test of time" sounds good, but I've had > a minor in > business admin and that isn't always true. But my mom has known > Kermit since > 1978, and if anyone has passion for sound and music, he has -- > and it's why > he's still selling amplifiers and so way many other things all > these decades > later that he first designed in the 1970s. > > Oh, and I spent a lot of time going through the message > archives. There are > so many messages where you really tear down and defame people, > and those > people come back and disprove your accusations. I see through > your messages > very well, and this round of messages with you is really both > truly bizarre > and sort of disturbing. Sorry, Bala, you just don't know what > you're talking > about on this topic, and your baseless criticisms are empty air > to my ears. > > My last word to you, ever, is that I find it very telling (and > it really > speaks to your character) that you're the only one of Kermit's > friends who > isn't really excited to see the success and growth, and instead > go out of > your way to create controversy and accusation where none exists, > inventingconspiracies and all sorts of really freaky stuff to > try to dispute the > success that everyone else who knows Kermit sees and accepts as > th efact > that it is. > > > On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 10:58 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra > wrote: > > Hi Julie, > > > > I am not going to get into an argument here with you or anyone > else; but > > here and on the website all we see are words. There has been > absolutely> nothing on the website or anywhere else about all > this innovation going on. > > Leica, Porshe and other secretive manufacturers have opened up > their plants > > - heck even Area 51 pictures about the A-12 recon plane being > tested have > > been opened up. So what is in it for being so secretive? I am > sure lots of > > prospective customers would want to see with their eyes. > > > > Stuff has been circulating and every email that you send only > adds more > > weight to what a lot of people here have suspected. I am just > asking the > > questions because some of them have been asking me, and I > don't know! If you > > want to question attitudes, then you are questioning the > attitude of lots of > > people here. So take it easy. > > > > I am not one of those who tear others down; People have tried > to tear me > > down, but I stand here today backed by many, many encouraging > messages from > > Naktalkers who see through my emails. Affluence, money and > status can buy > > many things, but only passion stands the test of time. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Julie Kessler > > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > *Sent:* Mon, June 6, 2011 4:18:41 AM > > > > *Subject:* Re: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico > > > > I'm rolling my eyes, Bala. Oh brother, why do you have to have > such an > > attitude? By the way, that's all I see out of you and everyone > else is > > "words words words" but so what? I don't appreciate you > implying that I'm a > > liar. You're really out of line. You don't work here, > but I do, so you > > truly don't know what you're talking about. I always > appreciate new and > > different opinions, but I think the group is best served if > you keep your > > innuendos and character besmirching to yourself and speak on > what you > > actually have firsthand knowledge about. Sorry to be snippy, > but really, who > > do you think you are making statements like that about a > business you know > > nothing about and about situations you know nothing > about? I've noticed > > this is a growing trend on Internet forums -- people makig blanket > > condemnations or criticisms about things they haven't seen or > heard. I think > > it's just that some people think they way they can live people > up is by > > tearing someone else down. I hope you're not that petty, but > so far from > > what you're showing me about yourself.... > > > > On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 10:13 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra > wrote:> > >> Hmm..seeing is believing. So far none of us has seen anything > except>> words, words and more words. > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> *From:* Julie Kessler > >> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >> *Sent:* Sun, June 5, 2011 5:28:13 AM > >> > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico > >> > >> Bala, > >> > >> Kermit hired some programmers to write the custom software > for us. I > >> imagine it was expensive but I don't know, and I can't say > about how the > >> software works, but it's pretty amazing to watch. Yes indeed, > the boss is > >> loaded because the business has been really successful the > last year or so. > >> It's inspiring to me to see how hard work and out-of-the-box > ideas can pay > >> off, and how old gear like Nakamichi cassettes can still be > really useful in > >> a modern studio. From what everyone's been telling me, the > secret to > >> Kermit's success has always been having unique, custom made > equipment,>> including software. This is such a great place to work! > >> > >> You sneak in a Wilson Benesch Full Circle when the boss is > out of the > >> building all day long to a NASCAR event with friends. > >> > >> On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 8:13 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra > wrote:>> > >>> A custom program that 'declicks, denoises, EQ and Dyanamic > processing'?>>> That usually stuff that's subject of phsycho- > acoustics and patented > >>> algorithms. Either you are kidding us or your boss is > loaded! How do you > >>> 'sneak' in a WB Full Circle? > >>> > >>> Bala > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------ > >>> *From:* Julie Kessler > >>> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >>> *Sent:* Sat, June 4, 2011 9:15:57 AM > >>> > >>> *Subject:* Re: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico > >>> > >>> Hi! > >>> > >>> That's a great answer. I guess I was being literal and > answering how to > >>> transfer LPs with Audacity. We have Audacity, but it's only > used for > >>> training purposes, the software we actually use to make > digital archive > >>> recordings is custom-programmed and it declicks, denoises, > applies EQ and > >>> dynamics processing, various enhancers and then splits the > LP into separate > >>> song tracks all in one pass so it's really efficient; with > all the records > >>> we archive we wouldn't get anything done with Audacity or > typical software. > >>> > >>> > >>> Kermit, Dave and Paul try to do as much EQ, click and > denoising with > >>> hardware instead of software. We have two hardware > declickers and five > >>> hardware denoisers and our preamp can EQ any record ever > made correctly and > >>> compensate for wear and non-standard EQ curves. That way the > software>>> doesn't have much to do. You're really right about > cleaning first, and the > >>> guys use the VPI machine to clean the record as good as > possible. As far as > >>> styli, Kermit has a place in England make us a set of 30 > different styli > >>> with all sorts of different sizes and shapes to fit the > groove as good as > >>> can be to reduce noise and wear for the Stanton 681EEE to > play 78's right > >>> and 5 different styli for LP's and 45's that fit the Ortofon > VMS-20 + 2 > >>> custom styli for the Shure V-15 Type III which is Kermit's > favorite. The > >>> turntable we use has a straightline tonearm and it moves > like the original > >>> cutter did; all three guys modified the turntable to the max > and I bet > >>> Rabco/Harmon-Kardon wouldn't recognize its insides. > >>> > >>> I can always tell which of the guys did the re-recordig job. > Paul tends > >>> to use nothing but the hardware and won't use any software > processing, and > >>> he'll sweat bullts getting the settings right. Kermit uses > both software and > >>> hardware and tends to process very little, just the really > bad pops and > >>> noise, but he gets really into the EQ and often uses dynamic > range expanders > >>> to undo overcompression, which I think is his pet peeve. > Dave just goes all > >>> hog wild and kills all the pops and ticks and noise and just > like gets every > >>> processor to the max -- and I swear, by the time he's done > he's made the LP > >>> sound like a CD (I think he goes overboard with it all). I > >>> > >>> t's really fun as an intern for me to watch the 3 of them > get into > >>> arguments over how much processing a record needs. It's > culture clash set to > >>> music. You have Kermit with his 1970's studio thing, then > Paul is all into > >>> (how to say it?) "phono culture". Paul learned audio in the > late 1980's and > >>> I've caught him sneaking his Wilson Benesch Full Circle > turntable in and > >>> using it instead of our modifed Rabco. Dave's the youngest, > he was trained > >>> in 2001 at a ProTools studio and just wants to process > everything to be as > >>> noiseless as can be. The 3 guys never agree on anything to > do with > >>> turntables and records but it's really coo that they get > along like > >>> brothers! This really, really, isn't a boring place to work! > >>> > >>> > >>> My turntable has a Rek-O-Kut Micropoise tonearm that Paul > modified, and I > >>> have one of Kermit's modified Shure V-15 Type IV cartridges. > Awesome sound. > >>> > >>> On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 6:56 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra > wrote:>>> > >>>> I suppose he was asking about his oldies on tape. > >>>> > >>>> Having said that, click and noise removal is something best > done at the > >>>> source level for records. Starting with a clean record,is > an absolute > >>>> essential. A good high-end cartridge with a good stylus > profile greatly > >>>> reduces noise and clicks by sitting well within the groove. > Most earlier > >>>> cartridge profiles do not do this and are influenced by the > surface>>>> condition of the record. Surprisingly, the grooves > rarely get damaged unless > >>>> the record is played with a chipped or worn stylus, or if > the record has > >>>> bubbles or 'kink warps'. But I have seen good unipivot arms > play warped > >>>> records pretty well. If they are still there, leave it. > Trying to correct > >>>> clicks and pops ends rarely leaves the quality of the rest > of the track > >>>> unmolested. > >>>> > >>>> With a good set-up, records that were thought to click and > pop badly > >>>> came up absolutely quiet - so quiet you can hear the stop > and start of the > >>>> hiss of the master tape in between tracks. Boxes, devices > and kludges best > >>>> remain in museums. > >>>> > >>>> I envy you working for a great boss. > >>>> > >>>> Bala > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ------------------------------ > >>>> *From:* Julie Kessler > >>>> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >>>> *Sent:* Fri, June 3, 2011 12:31:27 PM > >>>> *Subject:* Re: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico > >>>> > >>>> Rodrigo, > >>>> > >>>> The procedure we use here goes like this: > >>>> > >>>> 1. Record the disc into the software. > >>>> 2. Next, choose "Click Removal." Highlight all of the audio file > >>>> waveform (i.e., "select the audio file" as a > shorthand term for this) for > >>>> processing. The default setting works okay, but you > may have to Undo and > >>>> retry a few times to get the best results. "Click removal" > seems to work > >>>> best before EQing for the record characteristic EQ. > >>>> 3. If you don't have an equalized preamp, apply EQ using > the software. > >>>> Select all of the audio file for processing. Audacity has > several record EQs > >>>> listed under "Effect...Equalization." > >>>> 4. Choose whichever EQ matches the disc. You can tweak the EQ > >>>> graphically to correct for worn or off-standard discs. > >>>> 5. Next, choose "Noise Removal." Delesect the file. Select > a small part > >>>> of the file where there is silence between tracks. Click > "Get Noise > >>>> Profile." Now, select the whole audio file and choose > "Noise Removal" again. > >>>> This time just click OK. The default setting works okay, > but you may have to > >>>> Undo and retry a few times to get the best results. > >>>> 6. Now, listen to the whole audio file and when you get to > silence>>>> between tracks highlight the silence between tracks > and choose "Insert > >>>> Silence." > >>>> 7. Finally, go back and "cut up" the file into > separate tracks by > >>>> highlighting the waveform of the song and go to > File..Export Selection." > >>>> Name the file accordingly and choose the appropriate file > formats to match > >>>> what you want to do with the files. > >>>> > >>>> We recommend against using the Normalize or Compressor > effects because > >>>> they can really hurt the sound of your transfer but you can > use them if you > >>>> think they sound good, of course. > >>>> > >>>> I hope this helps! > >>>> > >>>> On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 7:11 AM, Rodrigo Krause < > >>>> rkrause at multiplan.com.br> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Hi Bala, > >>>>> Would you mind sharing with us how you are doing this? I'm > starting to > >>>>> look up how to put my wonderful "olies" ontape into digital. > >>>>> I'd much appreciate any inputs. > >>>>> Thank you in advance for any info you may share. > >>>>> Best regards, > >>>>> Rodrigo > >>>>> > >>>>> ------------------------------ > >>>>> *De*: naktalk-bounces at naks.com bounces at naks.com>>>>>> *Para*: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette > Decks > >>>>> *Enviada em*: Wed Jun 01 22:38:15 2011 > >>>>> *Assunto*: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving > >>>>> > >>>>> I am archiving many old and rare tape recordings onto > digital now. > >>>>> After much trials, I managed to get the right format and > setup that gives > >>>>> ticks all the boxes in terms of a digital format. It is a > tedious task, but > >>>>> one that may be very important for posterity. > >>>>> > >>>>> Regards, > >>>>> Bala > >>>>> > >>>>> ------------------------------ > >>>>> *From:* fripp_em > >>>>> *To:* naktalk at naks.com > >>>>> *Sent:* Thu, June 2, 2011 7:11:31 AM > >>>>> *Subject:* [naktalk] LP archiving > >>>>> > >>>>> I seem to remember there was someone on naktalk (West of the > >>>>> Mississippi) who did professional transfers of cassette > and LP collections > >>>>> to digital? I can't remember who that was but I know > someone who wants to > >>>>> do this with a large collection of LPs (I guess some are > rare). If it was > >>>>> one or two records I'd consider it, but it's not my > career:-) Anyone > >>>>> remember who that was? > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks, > >>>>> David > >>>>> > >>>>> ========--------------------------------------------------- > ------========= > >>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > >>>>> > >>>>> ========--------------------------------------------------- > ------========= > >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>>>> Maintain your account here: > >>>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>>>> > >>>>> ========--------------------------------------------------- > ------========= > >>>>> > >>>>> Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter > informacoes privilegiadas e/ou > >>>>> de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem > autorizacao do > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> remetente. > >>>>> > >>>>> Portanto, se voce recebeu esta mensagem por engano, > por favor, nos informe > >>>>> respondendo imediatamente a este e-mail e em seguida > apague-a. > >>>>> > >>>>> A empresa MULTIPLAN nao se responsabiliza por conclusoes, > opinioes, ou outras > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> informacoes nesta mensagem que nao se relacionem com sua > linha de negocios. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ========--------------------------------------------------- > ------========= > >>>>> Also > check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > >>>>> > >>>>> ========--------------------------------------------------- > ------========= > >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>>>> Maintain your account here: > >>>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>>>> > >>>>> ========--------------------------------------------------- > ------========= > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> -- Julie Kessler > >>>> juliek at kvglabs.com > >>>> Artist Development Executive > >>>> KVG Laboratories > >>>> I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered > >>>> http://www.kvglabs.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------- > -----========= > >>>> Also > check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > >>>> > >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------- > -----========= > >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>>> Maintain your account here: > >>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>>> > >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------- > -----========= > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> -- Julie Kessler > >>> juliek at kvglabs.com > >>> Artist Development Executive > >>> KVG Laboratories > >>> I Found The Sound! 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URL: From thomas36245-net at yahoo.com Tue Jun 7 00:37:34 2011 From: thomas36245-net at yahoo.com (thomas) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 15:37:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] LP arcaico In-Reply-To: <000f01cc2480$9eb7a0f0$dc26e2d0$@math.utah.edu> Message-ID: <370308.43769.qm@web80603.mail.mud.yahoo.com>   YES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! --- On Mon, 6/6/11, Victor Gabrenas wrote: From: Victor Gabrenas Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Monday, June 6, 2011, 3:33 PM Should this be a private conversation? Do we need a moderator? Mediator?     From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Julie Kessler Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 1:03 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico   Bala, your comments makes no sense. Seriously. It's a shame you can't accept the success we've been having, but I guess that's your problem. I have to laugh at your comment, because the web site shows all sorts of innovations, and as new products come out of the lab they get added -- and start selling. There's nothing secretive other than things like proprietary formulae, design methods and so on, just like every other company has. Good grief, all the sound samples, all the product photos, and all the products we have that no one else has: Counterpoise and Varipoise transformers, Varivox speakers, EVAS, BLISS, and many others. Sorry if this comes off snarky, but you're just going have to get over this weird obsession you have with this mythical secrecy, and accept that Kermit, me, and everyone else is being quite successful. "Only passion stands the test of time" sounds good, but I've had a minor in business admin and that isn't always true. But my mom has known Kermit since 1978, and if anyone has passion for sound and music, he has -- and it's why he's still selling amplifiers and so way many other things all these decades later that he first designed in the 1970s. Oh, and I spent a lot of time going through the message archives. There are so many messages where you really tear down and defame people, and those people come back and disprove your accusations. I see through your messages very well, and this round of messages with you is really both truly bizarre and sort of disturbing. Sorry, Bala, you just don't know what you're talking about on this topic, and your baseless criticisms are empty air to my ears. My last word to you, ever, is that I find it very telling (and it really speaks to your character) that you're the only one of Kermit's friends who isn't really excited to see the success and growth, and instead go out of your way to create controversy and accusation where none exists, inventing conspiracies and all sorts of really freaky stuff to try to dispute the success that everyone else who knows Kermit sees and accepts as th efact that it is.   On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 10:58 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Julie, I am not going to get into an argument here with you or anyone else; but here and on the website all we see are words. There has been absolutely nothing on the website or anywhere else about all this innovation going on.  Leica, Porshe and other secretive manufacturers have opened up their plants - heck even Area 51 pictures about the A-12 recon plane being tested have been opened up. So what is in it for being so secretive? I am sure lots of prospective customers would want to see with their eyes. Stuff has been circulating and every email that you send only adds more weight to what a lot of people here have suspected. I am just asking the questions because some of them have been asking me, and I don't know! If you want to question attitudes, then you are questioning the attitude of lots of people here. So take it easy. I am not one of those who tear others down; People have tried to tear me down, but I stand here today backed by many, many encouraging messages from Naktalkers who see through my emails. Affluence, money and status can buy many things, but only passion stands the test of time.   From: Julie Kessler To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Mon, June 6, 2011 4:18:41 AM Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico I'm rolling my eyes, Bala. Oh brother, why do you have to have such an attitude? By the way, that's all I see out of you and everyone else is "words words words" but so what? I don't appreciate you implying that I'm a liar. You're really out of line.  You don't work here, but I do, so you truly don't know what you're talking about. I always appreciate new and different opinions, but I think the group is best served if you keep your innuendos and character besmirching to yourself and speak on what you actually have firsthand knowledge about. Sorry to be snippy, but really, who do you think you are making statements like that about a business you know nothing about and about situations you know nothing about?  I've noticed this is a growing trend on Internet forums -- people makig blanket condemnations or criticisms about things they haven't seen or heard. I think it's just that some people think they way they can live people up is by tearing someone else down. I hope you're not that petty, but so far from what you're showing me about yourself.... On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 10:13 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hmm..seeing is believing. So far none of us has seen anything except words, words and more words.   From: Julie Kessler To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sun, June 5, 2011 5:28:13 AM Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico Bala, Kermit hired some programmers to write the custom software for us. I imagine it was expensive but I don't know, and I can't say about how the software works, but it's pretty amazing to watch. Yes indeed, the boss is loaded because the business has been really successful the last year or so. It's inspiring to me to see how hard work and out-of-the-box ideas can pay off, and how old gear like Nakamichi cassettes can still be really useful in a modern studio. From what everyone's been telling me, the secret to Kermit's success has always been having unique, custom made equipment, including software. This is such a great place to work! You sneak in a Wilson Benesch Full Circle when the boss is out of the building all day long to a NASCAR event with friends. On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 8:13 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: A custom program that 'declicks, denoises, EQ and Dyanamic processing'? That usually stuff that's subject of phsycho-acoustics and patented algorithms. Either you are kidding us or your boss is loaded! How do you 'sneak' in a WB Full Circle? Bala     From: Julie Kessler To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sat, June 4, 2011 9:15:57 AM Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico Hi! That's a great answer. I guess I was being literal and answering how to transfer LPs with Audacity. We have Audacity, but it's only used for training purposes, the software we actually use to make digital archive recordings is custom-programmed and it declicks, denoises, applies EQ and dynamics processing, various enhancers and then splits the LP into separate song tracks all in one pass so it's really efficient; with all the records we archive we wouldn't get anything done with Audacity or typical software.  Kermit, Dave and Paul try to do as much EQ, click and denoising with hardware instead of software. We have two hardware declickers and five hardware denoisers and our preamp can EQ any record ever made correctly and compensate for wear and non-standard EQ curves. That way the software doesn't have much to do. You're really right about cleaning first, and the guys use the VPI machine to clean the record as good as possible. As far as styli, Kermit has a place in England make us a set of 30 different styli with all sorts of different sizes and shapes to fit the groove as good as can be to reduce noise and wear for the Stanton 681EEE to play 78's right and 5 different styli for LP's and 45's that fit the Ortofon VMS-20 + 2 custom styli for the Shure V-15 Type III which is Kermit's favorite.  The turntable we use has a straightline tonearm and it moves like the original cutter did; all three guys modified the turntable to the max and I bet Rabco/Harmon-Kardon wouldn't recognize its insides. I can always tell which of the guys did the re-recordig job. Paul tends to use nothing but the hardware and won't use any software processing, and he'll sweat bullts getting the settings right. Kermit uses both software and hardware and tends to process very little, just the really bad pops and noise, but he gets really into the EQ and often uses dynamic range expanders to undo overcompression, which I think is his pet peeve. Dave just goes all hog wild and kills all the pops and ticks and noise and just like gets every processor to the max -- and I swear, by the time he's done he's made the LP sound like a CD (I think he goes overboard with it all). I t's really fun as an intern for me to watch the 3 of them get into arguments over how much processing a record needs. It's culture clash set to music. You have Kermit with his 1970's studio thing, then Paul is all into (how to say it?) "phono culture". Paul learned audio in the late 1980's and I've caught him sneaking his Wilson Benesch Full Circle turntable in and using it instead of our modifed Rabco. Dave's the youngest, he was trained in 2001 at a ProTools studio and just wants to process everything to be as noiseless as can be. The 3 guys never agree on anything to do with turntables and records but it's really coo that they get along like brothers! This really, really, isn't a boring place to work! My turntable has a Rek-O-Kut Micropoise tonearm that Paul modified, and I have one of Kermit's modified Shure V-15 Type IV cartridges. Awesome sound. On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 6:56 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: I suppose he was asking about his oldies on tape. Having said that, click and noise removal is something best done at the source level for records. Starting with a clean record,is an absolute essential. A good high-end cartridge with a good stylus profile greatly reduces noise and clicks by sitting well within the groove. Most earlier cartridge profiles do not do this and are influenced by the surface condition of the record. Surprisingly, the grooves rarely get damaged unless the record is played with a chipped or worn stylus, or if the record has bubbles or 'kink warps'. But I have seen good unipivot arms play warped records pretty well. If they are still there, leave it. Trying to correct clicks and pops ends rarely leaves the quality of the rest of the track unmolested. With a good set-up, records that were thought to click and pop badly came up absolutely quiet - so quiet you can hear the stop and start of the hiss of the master tape in between tracks. Boxes, devices and kludges best remain in museums. I envy you working for a great boss. Bala   From: Julie Kessler To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Fri, June 3, 2011 12:31:27 PM Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico Rodrigo, The procedure we use here goes like this: 1. Record the disc into the software. 2. Next, choose "Click Removal." Highlight all of the audio file waveform (i.e., "select the audio file" as  a shorthand term for this) for processing.  The default setting works okay, but you may have to Undo and retry a few times to get the best results. "Click removal" seems to work best before EQing for the record characteristic EQ. 3. If you don't have an equalized preamp, apply EQ using the software. Select all of the audio file for processing. Audacity has several record EQs listed under "Effect...Equalization." 4. Choose whichever EQ matches the disc. You can tweak the EQ graphically to correct for worn or off-standard discs. 5. Next, choose "Noise Removal." Delesect the file. Select a small part of the file where there is silence between tracks. Click "Get Noise Profile." Now, select the whole audio file and choose "Noise Removal" again. This time just click OK. The default setting works okay, but you may have to Undo and retry a few times to get the best results. 6. Now, listen to the whole audio file and when you get to silence between tracks highlight the silence between tracks and choose "Insert Silence." 7. Finally,  go back and "cut up" the file into separate tracks by highlighting the waveform of the song and go to File..Export Selection." Name the file accordingly and choose the appropriate file formats to match what you want to do with the files. We recommend against using the Normalize or Compressor effects because they can really hurt the sound of your transfer but you can use them if you think they sound good, of course. I hope this helps! On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 7:11 AM, Rodrigo Krause wrote: Hi Bala, Would you mind sharing with us how you are doing this? I'm starting to look up how to put my wonderful "olies" ontape into digital. I'd much appreciate any inputs. Thank you in advance for any info you may share. Best regards, Rodrigo   De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Enviada em: Wed Jun 01 22:38:15 2011 Assunto: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving I am archiving many old and rare tape recordings onto digital now. After much trials, I managed to get the right format and setup that gives ticks all the boxes in terms of a digital format. It is a tedious task, but one that may be very important for posterity. Regards, Bala   From: fripp_em To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 7:11:31 AM Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving I seem to remember there was someone on naktalk (West of the Mississippi) who did professional transfers of cassette and LP collections to digital?  I can't remember who that was but I know someone who wants to do this with a large collection of LPs (I guess some are rare).  If it was one or two records I'd consider it, but it's not my career:-)  Anyone remember who that was?  Thanks, David ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes privilegiadas e/ou de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem autorizacao do      remetente. 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URL: From mech986 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 7 04:03:34 2011 From: mech986 at yahoo.com (Bart) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 19:03:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Remember, Khrome tape by KVG Labs? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <971765.63806.qm@web81807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Looks like production problems led to cancellation of the project. http://www.kvglabs.com/news.html "April 2, 2011 Cassette tape production has been halted and all future production has been cancelled. The cassettes were based on 1970s-era DuPont Crolyn CrO2 and Ampex cobalt-doped formulations and were being manufactured using equipment once owned by Memorex. However, we have been having quality issues with some of the tape formulae, and have suspended development of this product line. Cassette tapes were a sideline to our business. We pursued the project simply as a means to help support the avid cassette tape community. However, the consensus from prominent tape-oriented web sites is that existing supplies of New Old Stock blank cassettes, as well as the inexpensive cassettes offered by National Audio Company and retail-packaged TDK branded cassette tapes sold by J & R, are adequate to serve the needs of the cassette tape collector. Contact National Audio Company for information about their products, and J & R to purchase TDK SM60 or TDK SA90 blank cassettes. Thank you to those who have purchased our cassette tapes in the past, as well as our technical partners who have been involved in this effort."  Regards, Bart ________________________________ From: Wouter Heijke To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Mon, June 6, 2011 3:10:58 PM Subject: [naktalk] Remember, Khrome tape by KVG Labs? I'm just curious... anyone bought any "Khrome tape by KVG Labs"? Anyone received any? The pages with info posted last January lead to 404's now... Wouter ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From letsboogienow at hotmail.com Tue Jun 7 05:09:05 2011 From: letsboogienow at hotmail.com (M I) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 23:09:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Remember, Khrome tape by KVG Labs? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wouter: I bought a half dozen and was satisfied with my batch. I never had any issues and found recording on the tapes excellent and consistent. I would be interested to know what results others may have had with these tapes. > Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 00:10:58 +0200 > From: wheijke at xs4all.nl > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Remember, Khrome tape by KVG Labs? > > I'm just curious... anyone bought any "Khrome tape by KVG Labs"? Anyone > received any? > The pages with info posted last January lead to 404's now... > > Wouter > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue Jun 7 09:24:12 2011 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 09:24:12 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] RE: ZX-9 reversed capacitors on MCB In-Reply-To: <990254839.1579311.1307359046850.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail .comcast.net> References: <990254839.1579311.1307359046850.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: I've seen it in a RX-202 I aquired recently and I've seen it in another Nak aquired longer ago can't remember the model.. ah, it also happened in a WM-7 (Sony walkman). Basically it's nasty sticky stuff. What usually happens is the belt getting to weak it doesn't have any grip anymore, maybe that is stage 1 and if you wait longer with replacing the belt it turns into this mess (stage 2)? Wouter > Thanks, Ram, interesting to know it's not just these. Have you ever seen > this occur with any other Nak belt? > I've been through over 40 Naks, and this is the first one! I've contacted > ESL for replacement belts. > May try a BX-300 belt just to make sure it's operational, once I get the > cap thing figured out.. From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 7 11:58:27 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 02:58:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 3 heads vs 2 heads In-Reply-To: <6A809DE3D3D91C4DA371BE6FC0954CE74A34780534@WSMSG3101V.srv.dir.telstra.com> References: <13365.80378.qm@web130105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <03b201cc23a5$712f8f20$538ead60$@net> <6A809DE3D3D91C4DA371BE6FC0954CE74A34780534@WSMSG3101V.srv.dir.telstra.com> Message-ID: <244262.32030.qm@web160616.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hi David, Ditto to that! The example closest to my heart would be Aiwa's 6700 and 6900 cassette decks, some of the most solid and beautiful decks I have known of the 70s. The performance difference was a good example of the difference between two and three head units. However, 2 head units still gave very good performance; the Nak 600 for example was a two head that Nak made sound very good. Its three head cousin, the 700 had a different level of performance, but the 600 stood out on its own. ________________________________ From: "Moore, David L" To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Mon, June 6, 2011 4:03:22 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] 3 heads vs 2 heads “Let’s take for instance the MR 1 or 2. This line is PRO grade; the MR1 is a 3 head and the MR2 is a 2 head. For those believing that a 2 head is bad for recording, I must say they are very wrong. I don’t know how it’s build in terms of components, but the MR2 records superbly; I would say even better then entry level 3 head setups like the CR3. Don’t ask why because I don’t know the answer.” There are many excellent 2 head decks but there are necessary compromises in terms of head design. A narrow head gap is very desirable for a playback head – for extended HF response, but record heads need to have a wider gap for optimum linearity and bias current. There is also the issue of optimum impedance. Nakamichi obviously took the 3 head approach a step further by physically separating the record and play heads. I don’t want to fuel a debate on 2 head vs 3 head, but from a technical standpoint, a well designed discrete head (3 head) deck will offer much better performance than any 2 head deck. Cheers David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Amen Mike ________________________________ From: Bala Ganesh Chandra To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Mon, June 6, 2011 11:45:54 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving In almost every private conversation I have with other Naktalkers, the one issue that dominates our conversation is how much Naktalk has changed. This definitely has to improve so that we have a better place to 'talk shop'. I have relinquished my moderator role in Naktalk a long time ago. The fact that all my messages have made it to the list is a firm endorsement by the moderators to my opinion. I Naktalk for serious Nakkers and 'tapeheads' please. Bala ________________________________ From: MD To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, June 7, 2011 1:29:52 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving I'm too a little tired of that KVG Labs PR thing...I guess Bala is not alone with his opinion.I've seen many people come and go due to ignorancy among other things.We live in a different world in part due to "internet transparency" and it's more difficult to sell "snake's oil" now.Nothing personal,just the facts.Best,M On 6/6/11, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Well Julie, I have more then words. I have pictures to show that I know more > then just Kermit and KVG Labs. But all this fantastic hyperbole coming from > you > is just that: fantastic hyperbole. I can't imagine any business in the world > that do what you do not having to publicise themselves. People are not > buying it > and over the days, the silent majority have started speaking. So, please, > stop > this bizarre thing you are doing and put away that blong wig. > > > Bala > > > ________________________________ > From: Julie Kessler > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Tue, June 7, 2011 6:40:25 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving > > LOL! OMG, you really are determined to imply things aren't you? Words, > words, > words, Bala, just more empty words from you. Please stop this bizarre thing > you're doing. > > > > On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 10:10 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra > wrote: > > Thats great. Because a lot of people who kept nagging me with offline emails > should now have their answers conclusive. Thanks Kermit, oops Julie! > >> >> >> >> > ________________________________ > From: Julie Kessler >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Sent: Mon, June 6, 2011 4:34:06 AM >> >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving >> >> >>Well, Bala, the answer to your questions is -- 1.) it's none of my business >> or >>yours whether he attends NASCAR races. 2.) I don't think he's posting much >>anywhere and I know he's working on some really cool prototypes on top of >> other >>things, so I think he probably chooses to spend his free time doing things >>offline to really get away from work and relax. Why don't you ask him why >> he's >>not posting anywhere? 3. I did indeed ask him the same questions, along >> with >>Paul and Dave, and got great answers. But I also asked here to get >> different >>perspectives and more info. >> >> >>By the way, the first variable record equalizers were made by Westrex, RCA, >> >>Fairchild, Presto, and others in the 1940's and 1950's; I've browsed our >> tech >>library a lot and found mention of variable record EQ as far back as 1927. >> Cool. >> >>One thing I've enjoyed working for Kermit is the "How It Was Done" lectures >> >>every other Friday where he leads us  interns through one of his designs >> while >>building it all the while explaining all the decisions and criteria that >> went >>into the equipment's design, usually with a Nak 500 to make before/after >>comparison tapes for us to hear as a way of explaining things. In other >> words, >>he explains the whole design process from concept to final design, every >> step of >>the way. I wish you and everyone on the list should attend one of those >>demonstrations and lectures, it's awesome. (I've suggested making podcasts >> of >>these lectures.) So I don't know where you come up with the bizarre notion >> that >>either he or Sony don't know what they're doing. Man, he, Dave and Paul >>definitely know what they're doing! >> >> >>On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 10:36 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra >> wrote: >> >>Julie, >>> >>>The question we all have for you is why Kermit, who is fit to attend >>> Nascar >>>races, isn't posting on Naktalk. Where is he, and why is he not answering >>> your >>>below questions? >>> >>> >>>The answer to your questions would be to speak to Dr Huber, and read his >>> papers >>>for a start. Also, read on the design of the McIntosh C-8, which was one >>> of the >>>first variable record equalizer available in the market. Today, KAB >>> Acoustics >>>makes some affordable units that help tackle this problems as well. Make >>> some >>>thing to drink for yourself, and two ice-teas which is Kermit's favorite >>> drink. >>>Put the second one in the fridge is his listening room, and have a good >>> talk >>>with him - he is a very knowledgeable guy who sometimes hasn't a clue why >>> he is >>>doing what he is doing. Just like Sony. >>> >>> >>>Bala >>> >>> >>> >>> > ________________________________ > >>>From: Julie Kessler >>> >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Sent: Sun, June 5, 2011 7:28:56 AM >>> >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving >>> >>> >>>Hi, >>> >>>I have  a question about this for all of you. I know what the guys here in >>> the >>>studio say on the topic, but I just wanted some of you guys' thoughts. As >>> I >>>understand it, FM Acoustics "linearization" is really just variable EQ, >>> which is >>>a great thing (one of our phono preamps has variable EQ & the other has 12 >>> EQ >>>curves with a program EQ to compensate). So the idea is to get the EQ as >>> close >>>to perfect, while correcting for record wear, deviations from the standard >>> EQ >>>during cutting and the influence of cartridge frequency response on >>> playback EQ >>>accuracy (the cartridge's frequency response will cause the playback to >>> differ >>>from textbook perfect EQ, right?). I have learned that altering the >>> record's >>>reproduce EQ sounds really different than trying to use tone controls to >>>correct. It sounds better, I think. >>> >>> >>>So here's my questions: >>> >>>1. Sometimes a record mastering engineer tweaks the record EQ as a way of >>>correcting for something in the record and/or just because he/she thinks >>> it >>>sounds better. So why should we be undoing what the mastering  engineer >>> did, >>>unless the answer is we like the sound better. >>> >>> >>>2. Unless you're correcting by ear, how can you know what the deviation >>> from >>>textbook playback EQ is, plus deviations made by the mastering engineer,, >>> plus >>>changes caused by record wear and all the other things? Even if you have >>> the >>>precise calibration standard used by the studio that cut the original >>> record >>>master, there's really no way to know for sure. So you really have to do >>> this >>>all by ear, right? So then you can run into the trap of also EQing for >>> your >>>speakers, your cartridge, your own listening tastes., the room sound and a >>> whole >>>bunch of other things. >>> >>> >>>I've been having the most problems learning how to get EQ right, there >>> seems to >>>be no absolute way to know what "correct" is unless you just make >>> assumptions or >>>have a whole bunch of calibration things, and even then that strill seems >>> like >>>ust being arbitrary to me. >>> >>> >>>Or am I just being way too blonde about all of this? >>> >>> >>>On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Rick Hils wrote: >>> >>>Bala, >>>>Thanks for telling me about Dr. Manuel Huber. He is, no doubt, a >>>> brilliant >>>>engineer. I'll try using a variable EQ set at an octave width, a 5 db >>>> gain, and >>>>sweep some freq. ranges. >>>>And I'll try to find some of Dr. Huber's material. >>>>-Regards, Rick >>>> >>>> >>>>________________________________ > Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 06:20:54 -0700 >>>> >>>>From: bg3009 at yahoo.com >>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving >>>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>> >>>> >>>>Hi Rick, >>>> >>>>I respect your way of doing things. I always felt similar until I >>>> attended a >>>>talk by FM Acoustics' founder Dr. Huber who demonstrated to us the >>>> importance of >>>>variable EQ. Even slight modulations in the standard RIAA curve, as you >>>> might >>>>know, brings immense difference in the sound quality. Even 70s pop >>>> records that >>>>sounded compressed sounded much livelier and bigger thanks to a more >>>> accurate >>>>reproduction curve. Correct cart loading (which you have mentioned), and >>>> correct >>>>record playback linearization are two things that are so important and >>>> yet >>>>overlooked with such regularity listeners do not know what they are >>>> missing out. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Regards, >>>>Bala >>>> >>>> > ________________________________ > From: Rick Hils >>>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>Sent: Sat, June 4, 2011 9:07:55 AM >>>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] LP archiving >>>> >>>>Bala, >>>>I don't have the knowledge to test and to, therefore, report any >>>> findings. I >>>>will say that when I use my Shure V15 III cartridge with my Concept >>>> receiver, >>>>the results are very good. The Concept receivers use a phono input >>>> impedance of >>>>50k, which is appropriate for the Shure V15. As long as I am hearing >>>> enough >>>>detail in the mid to upper mid-range, then I am happy. I'm not so >>>> concerned >>>>about whether or not the low end goes down to 30 or 20 hz. >>>> >>>>As far as computer wave editing goes, I try to avoid tweaking the wav >>>> file too >>>>much. I prefer to leave the phasing characteristics of the original >>>> unaltered. I >>>>also feel that light surface noise from the original LP is better left >>>> alone. >>>>Much better to hear it all than to muffle any of the highs. >>>>-Regards, Rick >>>> >>>> >>>>________________________________ > Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 04:58:38 -0700 >>>>From: bg3009 at yahoo.com >>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving >>>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>> >>>> >>>>Hi Rick, >>>> >>>>I suppose that term comes as a translation from the Swiss guys. I was >>>> asking >>>>more specifically about how you control cartridge loading and playback >>>> curve of >>>>the records you transcribe. >>>> >>>> >>>>Bala >>>> >>>> "What You didn't see, you didn't know" >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > ________________________________ > From: Rick Hils >>>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>Sent: Fri, June 3, 2011 5:21:06 AM >>>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] LP  archiving >>>> >>>>Bala, >>>>You ask what type of "phono linearization" do I use? Well, that could >>>> cover lots >>>>of things starting from the tone arm tracking and then on to the RIAA >>>> phono eq >>>>fidelity in my Concept receiver and then on to the impedance match >>>> between the >>>>receiver outputs and the E-MU A/D converter inputs. To be fair, I haven't >>>> >>>>checked the linearity of my RCA phono cables lately so that might be what >>>> you >>>>are asking about. I don't know. The anti-skate on my tone arm may be set >>>> a >>>>quarter of a gram off. >>>>But the art of vinyl record reproduction has and always will be a >>>> compromise of >>>>imperfections. We all make reasonable attempts to achieve the best sound, >>>> and >>>>that means to our own ears as well as what the test equipment shows. For >>>> me, the >>>>two most important issues are the musicality of the phono cartridge and >>>> the >>>>clear sound of the playback speakers. What counts is that we get >>>> enjoyment from >>>>listening. >>>> >>>>Regards- Rick >>>> >>>>________________________________ > Date: Thu, 2  Jun 2011 07:33:43 -0700 >>>>From: bg3009 at yahoo.com >>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving >>>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>> >>>> >>>>Hi Rick, >>>> >>>>What type of phono linearization do you use? >>>> >>>>Regards, >>>>Bala >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > ________________________________ > From: Rick Hils >>>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 12:14:48 PM >>>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] LP archiving >>>> >>>>If you want, give them my name. I can make very nice transfers. I use a >>>> Thorens >>>>TD 145 with Shure V15 III and I also have a Lenco heavy platter  table >>>> than has >>>>infinite speed adjust from 16 rpm to 78 rpm. I can either  go straight >>>> into my >>>>E-MU 96/24 convertor or first into my Nak BX-300  and then to the DAC. >>>>The situation is that I am close to the 91601  zip code (Los Angeles >>>> area) and >>>>can possibly pick up the records myself.  I would do one record side to >>>> see if >>>>it meets with your friends needs. >>>>Rick >>>>email: rhils at hotmail.com >>>> >>>>> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 14:11:31 -0700 >>>>> From: fripp_em at yahoo.com >>>>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>> Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving >>>>> >>>>> I seem to remember there was someone on naktalk (West of the >>>>> Mississippi) who >>>>>did professional transfers of cassette and LP collections to digital?  I >>>>> can't >>>>>remember who that was but I know someone who wants to do this with a >>>>> large >>>>>collection of LPs (I guess some are rare).  If it was one or two records >>>>> I'd >>>>>consider it, but it's not my career:-)  Anyone remember who that was? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> David >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>> Maintain your account here: >>>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>>Also check out the wiki! >>>>http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> Naktalk at naks.commailinglist Maintain your account here: >>>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>>Also check out the wiki! >>>>http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: >>>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>>Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>>Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: >>>>http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>        Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>                      Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>> >>> >>>-- >>>-- Julie Kessler >>>juliek at kvglabs.com >>>Artist Development Executive >>>KVG Laboratories >>>I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered >>>http://www.kvglabs.com >>> >>> >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>        Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>                      Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >> >>-- >>-- Julie Kessler >>juliek at kvglabs.com >>Artist Development Executive >>KVG Laboratories >>I Found The Sound! 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Ram. --- On Mon, 6/6/11, M I wrote: From: M I Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: ZX-9 reversed capacitors on MCB To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, June 6, 2011, 10:58 AM Perry, FWIW, the ZX-9 is belt sensitive and I suggest getting an original belt form ESL for the ZX-9. This is the only deck that uses the same Super Linear DD motor found in the Dragon. Note Ram's response as he was very happy after installing an ESL belt. I had a similar experience when the deck would play perfectly and then go blurry with no highs....Erik from ESL identified the problem over the phone and since I installed their belt its been amazing. A BX-300 belt is not a good idea.           Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 11:17:26 +0000 From: perry.nak at comcast.net To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] RE: ZX-9 reversed capacitors on MCB #yiv1355686180 .yiv1355686180ExternalClass p {} Thanks, Ram, interesting to know it's not just these. Have you ever seen this occur with any other Nak belt?  I've been through over 40 Naks, and this is the first one!  I've contacted ESL for replacement belts.  May try a BX-300 belt just to make sure it's operational, once I get the cap thing figured out.. Fred, thanks for the reply, but I'd rather not power it up until I have some kind of idea what is correct in the first place.  My friend Vlad is going to look in his ZX-9, as you only need to remove the cover, and look at the 4 caps that make a perfect square on the motor control board to  see if the NEG marking is through the silk screened large dot or not.  It's pretty obvious, once you actually look for it. Seems odd that this hasn't been documented in any other posts here, or on any manual.  But it could just be that with the low number of ZX-9 boards, unique amongst the Naks, not too many DIY techs have noticed this before.   I've read your comment in the past about using Windex instead of IA on the goo, and I have to tell you, that has not been my experience at all.  Is there a safety (your hazardous waste comment) or reactive reason to do this?  Windex literally does very little to it in my experience, but smear it even more, whereas Q-tips (hate to waste good swabs on this chore) dipped in IA, remove it instantly.  I've had plenty of tarry belts on other gear, like Yamaha tape decks and Mitsubishi turntables, and IA worked great.  Perhaps different formulation belts dissolve easier with different solvents?   I've already cleaned it up with IA, with no apparent issues, but I'd really like to know if there is a real reason to use WIndex, or just your preference.  Getting it off the DD windings with a swab was actually very easy, as no pressure is needed to possible force that crap deeper into the windings. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From angel9esoteric at gmail.com Tue Jun 7 17:13:10 2011 From: angel9esoteric at gmail.com (MD) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 11:13:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Remember, Khrome tape by KVG Labs? In-Reply-To: <971765.63806.qm@web81807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <971765.63806.qm@web81807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: In other words the cassettes were not selling well enough and project was unsuccessful. On 6/6/11, Bart wrote: > Looks like production problems led to cancellation of the project. > > http://www.kvglabs.com/news.html > > > "April 2, 2011 > Cassette tape production has been halted and all future production has been > cancelled. The cassettes were based on 1970s-era DuPont Crolyn CrO2 and > Ampex > cobalt-doped formulations and were being manufactured using equipment once > owned > by Memorex. However, we have been having quality issues with some of the > tape > formulae, and have suspended development of this product line. Cassette > tapes > were a sideline to our business. We pursued the project simply as a means to > help support the avid cassette tape community. However, the consensus from > prominent tape-oriented web sites is that existing supplies of New Old Stock > blank cassettes, as well as the inexpensive cassettes offered by National > Audio > Company and retail-packaged TDK branded cassette tapes sold by J & R, are > adequate to serve the needs of the cassette tape collector. Contact National > Audio Company for information about their products, and J & R to purchase > TDK > SM60 or TDK SA90 blank cassettes. Thank you to those who have purchased our > cassette tapes in the past, as well as our technical partners who have been > involved in this effort." >  Regards, > > Bart > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Wouter Heijke > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Mon, June 6, 2011 3:10:58 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Remember, Khrome tape by KVG Labs? > > I'm just curious... anyone bought any "Khrome tape by KVG Labs"? Anyone > received any? > The pages with info posted last January lead to 404's now... > > Wouter > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From adrian at mechner.net Tue Jun 7 17:04:08 2011 From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 08:04:08 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 3 heads vs 2 heads In-Reply-To: <6A809DE3D3D91C4DA371BE6FC0954CE74A34780534@WSMSG3101V.srv.dir.telstra.com> References: <13365.80378.qm@web130105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <03b201cc23a5$712f8f20$538ead60$@net> <6A809DE3D3D91C4DA371BE6FC0954CE74A34780534@WSMSG3101V.srv.dir.telstra.com> Message-ID: <055501cc2524$26f4a780$74ddf680$@net> I would rather look at this from a different angle. The advantage in terms of a three head design is "Saving time". Should I say more? How come and why? Both have adjustable BIAS and this again only makes sense if you use a lot of different tapes and target the absolute. As of how different the two heads are (the recording and the play back head of the 3 head setup), I would like to see some manufacture issued documents stating and explaining that. Going back to the simpler version (MR2), I noticed a few steps according to my experience, done in the right direction: 1. Eliminating all unnecessary hardware for a much simpler cleaner more reliable and better sounding design. 2. They kept a 3 head design to target the high end consumer market for the sole purpose of maximizing return and keeping the idea alive that a good deck has to be stuffed with dials and buttons and adjustments just to make consumers believe they are also some kind of recording engineers and because they had to feel some kick after spending a whole bunch of dough. Later on the market shifted away from recreating the tracks at home, the systems begun to be more and more simple and of course more reliable and better sounding. While back in the '80th you had lots of dials on your amps, build in radio receivers and vinyl changer (See Dual), Today in that class you are going to find an amplifier with only "Volume" button, Turntables at insane prices where you get a motor, a piece of wood and a non automatic arm and a simple as a child can design, armrest. In terms of sound: AMAZING!!! What does this tell? I would also take a look into another direction, namely production location and what models have been produced where. While having in later times the new factory in Thailand for the CR's and DR's, they kept the professional line MR1 and MR2 in Japan. I know out of my other hobby (photography) that my D700 is produced in Japan while my wife's D300 in Taiwan. These are questions which simplify a lot the answers. Before going into the gaps between heads and why they decided to have a larger or a narrower gap, there is the REALITY; the one, only the manufacturer knows. Have you done reverse engineering on the heads to come up with a solid and forensic proven fact? I assume, not. Also in an ideal world which you can forget about, the Dragon might be one of the fanciest toys in the cassette world, but not even those tanks where meant by the manufacturer to last forever with no maintenance. Wear appears and the fancy independent driven capstans start to fail, transforming it into a metal box with buttons. Adrian From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Moore, David L Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2011 11:03 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] 3 heads vs 2 heads "Let's take for instance the MR 1 or 2. This line is PRO grade; the MR1 is a 3 head and the MR2 is a 2 head. For those believing that a 2 head is bad for recording, I must say they are very wrong. I don't know how it's build in terms of components, but the MR2 records superbly; I would say even better then entry level 3 head setups like the CR3. Don't ask why because I don't know the answer." There are many excellent 2 head decks but there are necessary compromises in terms of head design. A narrow head gap is very desirable for a playback head - for extended HF response, but record heads need to have a wider gap for optimum linearity and bias current. There is also the issue of optimum impedance. Nakamichi obviously took the 3 head approach a step further by physically separating the record and play heads. I don't want to fuel a debate on 2 head vs 3 head, but from a technical standpoint, a well designed discrete head (3 head) deck will offer much better performance than any 2 head deck. Cheers David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I like the outdoors, sitting by the fire, and of course long moonlit walks with my Dragon -- /oops wrong forum /LOL!!! At times my off the wall sense of humor isn't best conveyed in print -- but ..... That said, I look forward to sharing and learning among my fellow Nakmichians. Here's my latest dilemma that I would greatly appreciate advice on. Seems that the Power Switch Bar on my Dragon (the white plastic bar that connects the front power button to the actual switch at the rear of the deck) has broken one of it's tabs at the switch side. I have the broken piece and am thinking I could carefully align the broken pieces together and glue them. I was thinking of using a Cyanoacrylate product (Super Glue) SO, before I use the wrong type of adhesive I thought it prudent to ask those in the know. I am in the U.S., and I know some products that you folks on the other side of the pond use may be unavailable to me ... Sure wish I could just turn back time and give Nak a call --- Where's Patty when ya need her :) Thanks in advance for everyone's input! Sorry for the long winded post -- Richard -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From icsteelhead at gmail.com Tue Jun 7 18:55:20 2011 From: icsteelhead at gmail.com (Larry Casey) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 08:55:20 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] LP arcaico In-Reply-To: <045d01cc2413$379a0100$a6ce0300$@net> References: <530049.21163.qm@web160616.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40338E0F8@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br> <514037.18583.qm@web160611.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <54853.318.qm@web160617.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <874940.97038.qm@web160601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <480209.48017.qm@web160614.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <045d01cc2413$379a0100$a6ce0300$@net> Message-ID: Adrian, I bought a Nak ZX-7 brand new in 1980 something. Prior to the purchase in the 1970's I had the top or next to top of the line Sony. When I heard a buddies 582 or 6 something Nak I knew then that I really preferred and desired to own a Nakamichi. I also purchased a Hi Com noise reduction for my reel to reel in the 1980's. I listened to the same ZX-7 last Friday evening. Although not my prime source, I still listen to cassettes I recorded over the decades. The tapes have held up extremely well and overall are in much better shape than my reel to reels. As for affordability it was an aspirational product for my income and I saved to acquire Nak gear. As for your implication on the buying and selling it is only because Nak became a gold standard type of product that this takes place in today's marketplace in my opinion. I do not have any problems with someone buying a Nak and re-selling it for a profit, do you? I still really enjoy using mine. It has been worth every penny I paid for it. Cheers, Larry On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 10:30 PM, Adrian Mechner wrote: > Nak has to do with loving music and that again is entertaining and > listening to music being entertained you might want to have a glass of nice > wine on a Sunday evening... > > And now I get into “in Vino Veritas” for those who know what that means > (other look it up!) > > How many of you are the “First Owner of a Nakamichi Product”? How many of > you guys bought your Nakamichi new and still own it? > > My presumption is: less then 10%. > > My guess is because of age and because of affordability at the time models > where current. > > A few questions: > > > > 1.) Who buys a Nakamichi deck? > > 2.) Who uses it for listening? > > 3.) Who uses it to make a buck? (like old times when you copied vinyl > for others) > > 4.) Who where the people who could afford in the golden era to spend > ~1000 on a cassette deck for their own pleasure? > > 5.) Why would you keep using a cassette deck as your prime source as of > today? > > > > Short vision of answers of a music lover and consumer after having a glass > of wine: > > > > Answers: > > > > 1.) Back in the ’80 th you could spend ~1000 bucks on a cassette deck > or on a 3 year old car. or on a year of mortgage or on 80 pairs of shoes or > feed your household of five for a year. I would call those people : > > - wealthy > > - eccentric > > - addicted audiophiles > > - nuts > > - business people (the ones making a buck with piratry) > > 2.) Audiophiles with a large wallet > > 3.) Almost all wealthy collegue kids with antreprenorial feelig > > 4.) Multiple answer: > > - out of nostalgie > > - because that’s all you can do > > - because you can afford it now > > - because you didn’t want to die before owning a Nak > > - because your dad told you that who has a Nak owns the world > > - because Nak used to be top of the tops (according to some > voices) > > Conclusion: > > > > Like other things in life: Football club, Church, Wife, Kids, Your country, > city and probably many others you will keep defending on and on the Naks; > > Don’t get upset if someone will tell you that there’s a life after Nak. > > Audiophiles have shifted a long time ago to different sources, money makers > found different sources of making money, spenders found it reasonable to buy > 6k+ “Power conditioners” and audiophiles have the rest of the world for > themselves: Listening to music and not bother about: Eq, BIAS, Capstans, > Motors and where to find tapes, cassettes and calibration tools. > > Since the rules of spending have changed and a “high end” called setup > exceeds 20k, the Naktalk ( where the max spent does not exceed 3k) becomes > small talk. EQ, BIAS and all other scientific talk have no value at all in > today’s market. The only thing that counts as of today are: > > 1. ) Made in England > > 2. ) Pure sound (no bass and treble) – not to talk about EQ and > reengineering spectrum > > 3. ) DAC > > 4. ) Source > > > > When I listen to people talking about reengineering tracks I can die > laughing...Those people pose as knowledgeable... > > Are those composers? NO, I believe not. Why change the sound of music? > > Recently people posted opinions about Vinyl and expressed themselves so > that others might believe that they are sort of “Audio Gurus” but again I > can only amuse myself. (I don’t mean the Kermit and the other’s guy writing > of software and modding cartridges, but more the guy who questioned those) > > Are you serious? > > Naks are nice, no question about that but as of today you being a > audiophile have different sources or you got old and your ears didn’t keep > up with the development of the human race. > > I won’t deny the value of this website in terms of helping others keeping > their gear working, don’t get me wrong please, but please try to stay > realistic in terms of value, money spent, and acoustics. > > And again: In Vino Veritas! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *Bala Ganesh Chandra > *Sent:* Sunday, June 05, 2011 8:59 PM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* Re: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico > > > > Hi Julie, > > I am not going to get into an argument here with you or anyone else; but > here and on the website all we see are words. There has been absolutely > nothing on the website or anywhere else about all this innovation going on. > Leica, Porshe and other secretive manufacturers have opened up their plants > - heck even Area 51 pictures about the A-12 recon plane being tested have > been opened up. So what is in it for being so secretive? I am sure lots of > prospective customers would want to see with their eyes. > > Stuff has been circulating and every email that you send only adds more > weight to what a lot of people here have suspected. I am just asking the > questions because some of them have been asking me, and I don't know! If you > want to question attitudes, then you are questioning the attitude of lots of > people here. So take it easy. > > I am not one of those who tear others down; People have tried to tear me > down, but I stand here today backed by many, many encouraging messages from > Naktalkers who see through my emails. Affluence, money and status can buy > many things, but only passion stands the test of time. > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Julie Kessler > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Mon, June 6, 2011 4:18:41 AM > *Subject:* Re: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico > > I'm rolling my eyes, Bala. Oh brother, why do you have to have such an > attitude? By the way, that's all I see out of you and everyone else is > "words words words" but so what? I don't appreciate you implying that I'm a > liar. You're really out of line. You don't work here, but I do, so you > truly don't know what you're talking about. I always appreciate new and > different opinions, but I think the group is best served if you keep your > innuendos and character besmirching to yourself and speak on what you > actually have firsthand knowledge about. Sorry to be snippy, but really, who > do you think you are making statements like that about a business you know > nothing about and about situations you know nothing about? I've noticed > this is a growing trend on Internet forums -- people makig blanket > condemnations or criticisms about things they haven't seen or heard. I think > it's just that some people think they way they can live people up is by > tearing someone else down. I hope you're not that petty, but so far from > what you're showing me about yourself.... > > On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 10:13 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra > wrote: > > Hmm..seeing is believing. So far none of us has seen anything except words, > words and more words. > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Julie Kessler > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > *Sent:* Sun, June 5, 2011 5:28:13 AM > > > *Subject:* Re: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico > > > Bala, > > Kermit hired some programmers to write the custom software for us. I > imagine it was expensive but I don't know, and I can't say about how the > software works, but it's pretty amazing to watch. Yes indeed, the boss is > loaded because the business has been really successful the last year or so. > It's inspiring to me to see how hard work and out-of-the-box ideas can pay > off, and how old gear like Nakamichi cassettes can still be really useful in > a modern studio. From what everyone's been telling me, the secret to > Kermit's success has always been having unique, custom made equipment, > including software. This is such a great place to work! > > You sneak in a Wilson Benesch Full Circle when the boss is out of the > building all day long to a NASCAR event with friends. > > On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 8:13 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra > wrote: > > A custom program that 'declicks, denoises, EQ and Dyanamic processing'? > That usually stuff that's subject of phsycho-acoustics and patented > algorithms. Either you are kidding us or your boss is loaded! How do you > 'sneak' in a WB Full Circle? > > Bala > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Julie Kessler > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > *Sent:* Sat, June 4, 2011 9:15:57 AM > > > *Subject:* Re: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico > > > Hi! > > That's a great answer. I guess I was being literal and answering how to > transfer LPs with Audacity. We have Audacity, but it's only used for > training purposes, the software we actually use to make digital archive > recordings is custom-programmed and it declicks, denoises, applies EQ and > dynamics processing, various enhancers and then splits the LP into separate > song tracks all in one pass so it's really efficient; with all the records > we archive we wouldn't get anything done with Audacity or typical software. > > > Kermit, Dave and Paul try to do as much EQ, click and denoising with > hardware instead of software. We have two hardware declickers and five > hardware denoisers and our preamp can EQ any record ever made correctly and > compensate for wear and non-standard EQ curves. That way the software > doesn't have much to do. You're really right about cleaning first, and the > guys use the VPI machine to clean the record as good as possible. As far as > styli, Kermit has a place in England make us a set of 30 different styli > with all sorts of different sizes and shapes to fit the groove as good as > can be to reduce noise and wear for the Stanton 681EEE to play 78's right > and 5 different styli for LP's and 45's that fit the Ortofon VMS-20 + 2 > custom styli for the Shure V-15 Type III which is Kermit's favorite. The > turntable we use has a straightline tonearm and it moves like the original > cutter did; all three guys modified the turntable to the max and I bet > Rabco/Harmon-Kardon wouldn't recognize its insides. > > I can always tell which of the guys did the re-recordig job. Paul tends to > use nothing but the hardware and won't use any software processing, and > he'll sweat bullts getting the settings right. Kermit uses both software and > hardware and tends to process very little, just the really bad pops and > noise, but he gets really into the EQ and often uses dynamic range expanders > to undo overcompression, which I think is his pet peeve. Dave just goes all > hog wild and kills all the pops and ticks and noise and just like gets every > processor to the max -- and I swear, by the time he's done he's made the LP > sound like a CD (I think he goes overboard with it all). I > > t's really fun as an intern for me to watch the 3 of them get into > arguments over how much processing a record needs. It's culture clash set to > music. You have Kermit with his 1970's studio thing, then Paul is all into > (how to say it?) "phono culture". Paul learned audio in the late 1980's and > I've caught him sneaking his Wilson Benesch Full Circle turntable in and > using it instead of our modifed Rabco. Dave's the youngest, he was trained > in 2001 at a ProTools studio and just wants to process everything to be as > noiseless as can be. The 3 guys never agree on anything to do with > turntables and records but it's really coo that they get along like > brothers! This really, really, isn't a boring place to work! > > > My turntable has a Rek-O-Kut Micropoise tonearm that Paul modified, and I > have one of Kermit's modified Shure V-15 Type IV cartridges. Awesome sound. > > On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 6:56 AM, Bala Ganesh Chandra > wrote: > > I suppose he was asking about his oldies on tape. > > Having said that, click and noise removal is something best done at the > source level for records. Starting with a clean record,is an absolute > essential. A good high-end cartridge with a good stylus profile greatly > reduces noise and clicks by sitting well within the groove. Most earlier > cartridge profiles do not do this and are influenced by the surface > condition of the record. Surprisingly, the grooves rarely get damaged unless > the record is played with a chipped or worn stylus, or if the record has > bubbles or 'kink warps'. But I have seen good unipivot arms play warped > records pretty well. If they are still there, leave it. Trying to correct > clicks and pops ends rarely leaves the quality of the rest of the track > unmolested. > > With a good set-up, records that were thought to click and pop badly came > up absolutely quiet - so quiet you can hear the stop and start of the hiss > of the master tape in between tracks. Boxes, devices and kludges best remain > in museums. > > I envy you working for a great boss. > > Bala > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Julie Kessler > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Fri, June 3, 2011 12:31:27 PM > *Subject:* Re: Re: [naktalk] LP arcaico > > > Rodrigo, > > The procedure we use here goes like this: > > 1. Record the disc into the software. > 2. Next, choose "Click Removal." Highlight all of the audio file waveform > (i.e., "select the audio file" as a shorthand term for this) for > processing. The default setting works okay, but you may have to Undo and > retry a few times to get the best results. "Click removal" seems to work > best before EQing for the record characteristic EQ. > 3. If you don't have an equalized preamp, apply EQ using the software. > Select all of the audio file for processing. Audacity has several record EQs > listed under "Effect...Equalization." > 4. Choose whichever EQ matches the disc. You can tweak the EQ graphically > to correct for worn or off-standard discs. > 5. Next, choose "Noise Removal." Delesect the file. Select a small part of > the file where there is silence between tracks. Click "Get Noise Profile." > Now, select the whole audio file and choose "Noise Removal" again. This time > just click OK. The default setting works okay, but you may have to Undo and > retry a few times to get the best results. > 6. Now, listen to the whole audio file and when you get to silence between > tracks highlight the silence between tracks and choose "Insert Silence." > 7. Finally, go back and "cut up" the file into separate tracks by > highlighting the waveform of the song and go to File..Export Selection." > Name the file accordingly and choose the appropriate file formats to match > what you want to do with the files. > > We recommend against using the Normalize or Compressor effects because they > can really hurt the sound of your transfer but you can use them if you think > they sound good, of course. > > I hope this helps! > > On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 7:11 AM, Rodrigo Krause > wrote: > > Hi Bala, > Would you mind sharing with us how you are doing this? I'm starting to look > up how to put my wonderful "olies" ontape into digital. > I'd much appreciate any inputs. > Thank you in advance for any info you may share. > Best regards, > Rodrigo > > > ------------------------------ > > *De*: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > *Para*: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Enviada em*: Wed Jun 01 22:38:15 2011 > *Assunto*: Re: [naktalk] LP archiving > > I am archiving many old and rare tape recordings onto digital now. After > much trials, I managed to get the right format and setup that gives ticks > all the boxes in terms of a digital format. It is a tedious task, but one > that may be very important for posterity. > > Regards, > Bala > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* fripp_em > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Sent:* Thu, June 2, 2011 7:11:31 AM > *Subject:* [naktalk] LP archiving > > I seem to remember there was someone on naktalk (West of the Mississippi) > who did professional transfers of cassette and LP collections to digital? I > can't remember who that was but I know someone who wants to do this with a > large collection of LPs (I guess some are rare). If it was one or two > records I'd consider it, but it's not my career:-) Anyone remember who that > was? > > Thanks, > David > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes privilegiadas e/ou > de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem autorizacao do > > > > > > remetente. > > Portanto, se voce recebeu esta mensagem por engano, por favor, nos informe > respondendo imediatamente a este e-mail e em seguida apague-a. > > A empresa MULTIPLAN nao se responsabiliza por conclusoes, opinioes, ou outras > > > > > > informacoes nesta mensagem que nao se relacionem com sua linha de negocios. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > -- > -- Julie Kessler > juliek at kvglabs.com > Artist Development Executive > KVG Laboratories > I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered > http://www.kvglabs.com > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > -- > -- Julie Kessler > juliek at kvglabs.com > Artist Development Executive > KVG Laboratories > I Found The Sound! 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URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue Jun 7 21:31:51 2011 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 21:31:51 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] LP archiving In-Reply-To: <974360.79657.qm@web80202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <272692.69932.qm@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <539442.97382.qm@web160619.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <106824.92525.qm@web160603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <483776.35120.qm@web160608.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <71760.6539.qm@web160608.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <254419.27194.qm@web160614.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <784205.79781.qm@web160605.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <708767.7664.qm@web160614.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <974360.79657.qm@web80202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0436b1623f2b3d0ef4a3dbc0e3e03289.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Well 'emergency moderation' is on, so now all of you that are not happy with their posting being rejected can send me personal threat mail... yes there are members out there that take rejection personal... Just you all know! Wouter > I thought a moderator's job is to make sure that all messages should > follow the > guidelines of the charter of the forum and not showing any kind of > endorsement(s) to any message and it is up to the readers to > agree/disagree on > any matter. Maybe I am wrong here. > > > Amen > > Mike > From perry.nak at comcast.net Tue Jun 7 22:45:50 2011 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 20:45:50 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck Advice sought Message-ID: <1102014706-1307479551-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1429708606-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry> All decks by any make were the same EQ before 1980 when they stuck to the original IEC, depending on the make, decks afterwards except Nakamichi went to 1981 standard. I agree that the differences are subtle and are far more likely to be caused by differences in azimuth and alignment than EQ. The 550 is an old portable and while great for what it is can't compare at all to a real desktop deck. Buy the best condition Nakamichi you can afford and have it serviced and you will not look back or ever regret it. Perry Esposito - From my phone From adrian at mechner.net Tue Jun 7 22:57:15 2011 From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 13:57:15 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 3 heads vs 2 heads In-Reply-To: <055501cc2524$26f4a780$74ddf680$@net> References: <13365.80378.qm@web130105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <03b201cc23a5$712f8f20$538ead60$@net> <6A809DE3D3D91C4DA371BE6FC0954CE74A34780534@WSMSG3101V.srv.dir.telstra.com> <055501cc2524$26f4a780$74ddf680$@net> Message-ID: <000b01cc2555$7be20680$73a61380$@net> Sorry for the mistake, Taiwan for Nak and Thailand for Nikon, sorry J From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Mechner Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 8:04 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] 3 heads vs 2 heads I would rather look at this from a different angle. The advantage in terms of a three head design is "Saving time". Should I say more? How come and why? Both have adjustable BIAS and this again only makes sense if you use a lot of different tapes and target the absolute. As of how different the two heads are (the recording and the play back head of the 3 head setup), I would like to see some manufacture issued documents stating and explaining that. Going back to the simpler version (MR2), I noticed a few steps according to my experience, done in the right direction: 1. Eliminating all unnecessary hardware for a much simpler cleaner more reliable and better sounding design. 2. They kept a 3 head design to target the high end consumer market for the sole purpose of maximizing return and keeping the idea alive that a good deck has to be stuffed with dials and buttons and adjustments just to make consumers believe they are also some kind of recording engineers and because they had to feel some kick after spending a whole bunch of dough. Later on the market shifted away from recreating the tracks at home, the systems begun to be more and more simple and of course more reliable and better sounding. While back in the '80th you had lots of dials on your amps, build in radio receivers and vinyl changer (See Dual), Today in that class you are going to find an amplifier with only "Volume" button, Turntables at insane prices where you get a motor, a piece of wood and a non automatic arm and a simple as a child can design, armrest. In terms of sound: AMAZING!!! What does this tell? I would also take a look into another direction, namely production location and what models have been produced where. While having in later times the new factory in Thailand for the CR's and DR's, they kept the professional line MR1 and MR2 in Japan. I know out of my other hobby (photography) that my D700 is produced in Japan while my wife's D300 in Taiwan. These are questions which simplify a lot the answers. Before going into the gaps between heads and why they decided to have a larger or a narrower gap, there is the REALITY; the one, only the manufacturer knows. Have you done reverse engineering on the heads to come up with a solid and forensic proven fact? I assume, not. Also in an ideal world which you can forget about, the Dragon might be one of the fanciest toys in the cassette world, but not even those tanks where meant by the manufacturer to last forever with no maintenance. Wear appears and the fancy independent driven capstans start to fail, transforming it into a metal box with buttons. Adrian From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Moore, David L Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2011 11:03 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] 3 heads vs 2 heads "Let's take for instance the MR 1 or 2. This line is PRO grade; the MR1 is a 3 head and the MR2 is a 2 head. For those believing that a 2 head is bad for recording, I must say they are very wrong. I don't know how it's build in terms of components, but the MR2 records superbly; I would say even better then entry level 3 head setups like the CR3. Don't ask why because I don't know the answer." There are many excellent 2 head decks but there are necessary compromises in terms of head design. A narrow head gap is very desirable for a playback head - for extended HF response, but record heads need to have a wider gap for optimum linearity and bias current. There is also the issue of optimum impedance. Nakamichi obviously took the 3 head approach a step further by physically separating the record and play heads. I don't want to fuel a debate on 2 head vs 3 head, but from a technical standpoint, a well designed discrete head (3 head) deck will offer much better performance than any 2 head deck. Cheers David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 8 02:10:18 2011 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 17:10:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] MR-1B Equalization In-Reply-To: <056001cc2529$ca31cd10$5e956730$@net> References: <175745.90887.qm@web126010.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <056001cc2529$ca31cd10$5e956730$@net> Message-ID: <224704.28935.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The white dot means that the highs will start distorting earlier when pushed hard, thus giving you a couple dB less dynamic range.  The recordings are suppose to sound better in non Nakamichi decks that conform to the newer record/playback equaliation. I don't think collectors care too much.  Those with Nakamichi collections will probably want to stay away from it.  Those that have more non-Nakamichi decks may prefer it.  Few people even know that there is a "B" version or how to determine if a deck is a B Making the change is fairly easy, but, will require a complete electrical calibration using the correct calibration tapes (non Nakamichi in a few cases) You can find documentation in the Nak.com wiki.  Look for document PRO-01 and MISC-063.  Unfortunately MISC-063 is not linked in the Wiki.  The PRO-01 document is hosted my my web site with a valid link in the wiki. I just love the verbage in the document.  "...Nakamichi MR-1 may be altered to closely resemble the many decks with non-standard equalization."  Non-standard to Nakamichi maybe, but, STANDARD to just about every other tape deck manufacturer at the time! Scott J. ________________________________ From: Adrian Mechner To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, June 7, 2011 8:44:21 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] MR-1B Equalization Wow! I got the dot on my MR2. Photo attached! What does this mean in terms of sound, collector’s value, and generally speaking? Is it more desirable than the one with no dot? Is it this white dot that makes it sound so great?  :) I would really want to know, Thanks   Adrian   From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of eric holtz Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2011 7:53 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] MR-1B Equalization   Hello, Ron, you were correct about the different equalization curve used in the MR-1B. The only way to visually check which unit is which, is to look at the underneath. The MR-1B has a small white dot stuck to the outside of the bottom plate, while the MR-1 does not. I hope this helps. Eric -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com Wed Jun 8 03:36:36 2011 From: juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com (Julie Kessler) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 20:36:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck Advice sought In-Reply-To: <1102014706-1307479551-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1429708606-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry> References: <1102014706-1307479551-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1429708606-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: Okay, thanks! I thought that Nakamichis made at first had IEC1 EQ and other companies had IEC2 EQ, but I guess I got hat wrong? On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 3:45 PM, wrote: > All decks by any make were the same EQ before 1980 when they stuck to the > original IEC, depending on the make, decks afterwards except Nakamichi went > to 1981 standard. I agree that the differences are subtle and are far more > likely to be caused by differences in azimuth and alignment than EQ. The 550 > is an old portable and while great for what it is can't compare at all to a > real desktop deck. Buy the best condition Nakamichi you can afford and have > it serviced and you will not look back or ever regret it. > Perry Esposito - From my phone > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered http://www.kvglabs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Wed Jun 8 04:50:42 2011 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 19:50:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck Advice sought In-Reply-To: <1102014706-1307479551-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1429708606-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry> References: <1102014706-1307479551-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1429708606-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <1319.10013.qm@web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I guess it really depend on what you are trying to record. For the kind of musical material that Kermit has recorded ( haspicord ) for his CD, most of the frequency contents are concentrated below 15kHz or lower so the Nak 550 should be able to handle it. For something else it may not be. With All Respect, Mike ________________________________ From: "perry.nak at comcast.net" To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tue, June 7, 2011 3:45:50 PM Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck Advice sought All decks by any make were the same EQ before 1980 when they stuck to the original IEC, depending on the make, decks afterwards except Nakamichi went to 1981 standard. I agree that the differences are subtle and are far more likely to be caused by differences in azimuth and alignment than EQ. The 550 is an old portable and while great for what it is can't compare at all to a real desktop deck. Buy the best condition Nakamichi you can afford and have it serviced and you will not look back or ever regret it. Perry Esposito - From my phone ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjkent at comcast.net Wed Jun 8 05:11:22 2011 From: rjkent at comcast.net (R Kent) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 20:11:22 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Tape Restoring and Archiving In-Reply-To: <201106071758.p57HufMs029005@zxe.naks.com> References: <201106071758.p57HufMs029005@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <004901cc2589$becec170$3c6c4450$@net> David, I believe the person you are referring to is Richard Hess. He posted on Naktalk regularly for a year or so if I recall correctly. If Wouter's filters let it through, here is a link to his website: http://www.richardhess.com/tape/ Hope this helps, Robert Kent I seem to remember there was someone on naktalk (West of the Mississippi) who did professional transfers of cassette and LP collections to digital? I can't remember who that was but I know someone who wants to do this with a large collection of LPs (I guess some are rare). If it was one or two records I'd consider it, but it's not my career:-) Anyone remember who that was? Thanks, David ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From David.Moore at team.telstra.com Wed Jun 8 06:26:00 2011 From: David.Moore at team.telstra.com (Moore, David L) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 14:26:00 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] 3 heads vs 2 heads In-Reply-To: <055501cc2524$26f4a780$74ddf680$@net> References: <13365.80378.qm@web130105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <03b201cc23a5$712f8f20$538ead60$@net> <6A809DE3D3D91C4DA371BE6FC0954CE74A34780534@WSMSG3101V.srv.dir.telstra.com> <055501cc2524$26f4a780$74ddf680$@net> Message-ID: <6A809DE3D3D91C4DA371BE6FC0954CE74A3492229F@WSMSG3101V.srv.dir.telstra.com> Adrian, The issue of reliability and simplicity is definitely worth considering. I agree in general that a well designed 2 head deck - with single RP head is going to be more reliable and is generally going to require less maintenance than the equivalent 3 head design. The old adage of 'KISS' definitely applies. My comments relate specifically to the superiority of a 3 head design in terms of extracting the best R-P performance. There are very well grounded technical reasons why separate, dedicated record and play heads will deliver better performance. It's not just a matter of being able to calibrate during recording - although that is very essential of course. The specific issues I pointed out are very valid. Actually, Nakamichi themselves have done a good job of explaining the technical merits of the discrete 3 head approach in many of their product brochures. Head gap loss, hysteresis loss, saturation and contour effect etc is explained in a basic way that the average person can understand. Since 1980 I have owned more than 50 different cassette decks - from a wide range of manufacturers. Most have been 3 head designs but I have also owned some fine 2 head decks - including some from Nakamichi. Contrary to what you might expect the most flashy and feature filled deck I owned was probably a 2 head Teac. I think it was a V-95 (but it was a long time ago so I would need to check on that). I disagree that 3 head decks were a marketing ploy designed to somehow reap profits for manufacturers. On the contrary, the high end cassette deck market was never large enough to be highly profitable. Like most high end products, the TOTL decks were designed to gain the attention of hi-fi magazine reviewers and to raise the brand profile in the process. It's the same today with TOTL amps, speakers etc. The concept of TOTL has always really been about brand marketing and positioning. The money is all made on the mass sales of low end products - that are claimed to contain some of the technology developed for the TOTL flagships. For the select few audiophiles - such as myself, the TOTL 3 head cassette decks did fulfil the requirement of being able to faithfully copy a new vinyl pressing for daily playback, allowing the LP to be stored and preserved as a long term master. I still own several Cassette Decks today including a Luxman K-03, Aiwa ADF-990, Nakamichi LX-5, Nakamichi 700ZXL, Yamaha K2000, and a rare Teac Z-7000. I try to keep them all in perfect working order and give them a run from time to time, but in the main they don't get much play time these days and their presence in the (large) audio cabinet is more for the aesthetics as well as my daily reminder of a bygone 'analogue' era where everyone seemed to care far more about quality than simply profit. The quality of popular music is a very good case in point. It must confuse many young people today when they hear an album that was made 30 - 40 years ago and it sounds so much better than any modern popular album. For me, my TT and cassette decks are a reminder of that period when music producers and engineers sought to refine their arts, when popular artists would take upwards of 6 months in a recording studio to get their album perfect, and where record companies paid for the finest session musicians around to augment their artists' albums. Music was definitely art back then. Today, recordings are obviously easy to make. The artist goes into the studio (room), the technician pushes the sliders on the console all the way to maximum and a computer generates all the instruments and sounds the artists needs - without the need to pay for a single musician. A few days later and the album is released for download - in a compressed digital format of course. It's sad to say it but when it comes to music, It's actually good to be old. Cheers, David From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Mechner Sent: Wednesday, 8 June 2011 1:04 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] 3 heads vs 2 heads I would rather look at this from a different angle. The advantage in terms of a three head design is "Saving time". Should I say more? How come and why? Both have adjustable BIAS and this again only makes sense if you use a lot of different tapes and target the absolute. As of how different the two heads are (the recording and the play back head of the 3 head setup), I would like to see some manufacture issued documents stating and explaining that. Going back to the simpler version (MR2), I noticed a few steps according to my experience, done in the right direction: 1. Eliminating all unnecessary hardware for a much simpler cleaner more reliable and better sounding design. 2. They kept a 3 head design to target the high end consumer market for the sole purpose of maximizing return and keeping the idea alive that a good deck has to be stuffed with dials and buttons and adjustments just to make consumers believe they are also some kind of recording engineers and because they had to feel some kick after spending a whole bunch of dough... Later on the market shifted away from recreating the tracks at home, the systems begun to be more and more simple and of course more reliable and better sounding. While back in the '80th you had lots of dials on your amps, build in radio receivers and vinyl changer (See Dual), Today in that class you are going to find an amplifier with only "Volume" button, Turntables at insane prices where you get a motor, a piece of wood and a non automatic arm and a simple as a child can design, armrest. In terms of sound: AMAZING!!! What does this tell? I would also take a look into another direction, namely production location and what models have been produced where. While having in later times the new factory in Thailand for the CR's and DR's, they kept the professional line MR1 and MR2 in Japan. I know out of my other hobby (photography) that my D700 is produced in Japan while my wife's D300 in Taiwan. These are questions which simplify a lot the answers. Before going into the gaps between heads and why they decided to have a larger or a narrower gap, there is the REALITY; the one, only the manufacturer knows. Have you done reverse engineering on the heads to come up with a solid and forensic proven fact? I assume, not. Also in an ideal world which you can forget about, the Dragon might be one of the fanciest toys in the cassette world, but not even those tanks where meant by the manufacturer to last forever with no maintenance. Wear appears and the fancy independent driven capstans start to fail, transforming it into a metal box with buttons. Adrian From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Moore, David L Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2011 11:03 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] 3 heads vs 2 heads "Let's take for instance the MR 1 or 2. This line is PRO grade; the MR1 is a 3 head and the MR2 is a 2 head. For those believing that a 2 head is bad for recording, I must say they are very wrong. I don't know how it's build in terms of components, but the MR2 records superbly; I would say even better then entry level 3 head setups like the CR3. Don't ask why because I don't know the answer." There are many excellent 2 head decks but there are necessary compromises in terms of head design. A narrow head gap is very desirable for a playback head - for extended HF response, but record heads need to have a wider gap for optimum linearity and bias current. There is also the issue of optimum impedance. Nakamichi obviously took the 3 head approach a step further by physically separating the record and play heads. I don't want to fuel a debate on 2 head vs 3 head, but from a technical standpoint, a well designed discrete head (3 head) deck will offer much better performance than any 2 head deck. Cheers David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From g.p.lyskin at paradise.net.nz Wed Jun 8 12:37:48 2011 From: g.p.lyskin at paradise.net.nz (Guennadi Lyskine) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2011 22:37:48 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck Advice sought References: <1102014706-1307479551-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1429708606-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: Hi Julie, IEC1 EQ is "IEC" EQ for Reel-to-Reel tapes, IEC2 EQ is "NAB" EQ for Reel-to-Reel tapes. Nak550s before Serial No 3659471 had 1590usec+120usec EQ for Ferro tape. It corresponds to DIN 1966, IEC 1968, RIAA 1968 and Philips Compact Cassette system standards. After that S/N they switched to IEC Prague 1981 Standard: Type 1 tape (Ferro) 1380usec+120usec. No difference in Type 2 tape (CrO) 3180+70usec EQ. Ferro (Normal) tapes recorded with "Old Standard" have +4.21dB burst at 40Hz, +3.67 dB @ 50 Hz comparing to "New Standard", and sound dull with overloaded low frequencies on new machines. Cheers, Gennady ----- Original Message ----- From: Julie Kessler To: perry.nak at comcast.net ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Deck Advice sought Okay, thanks! I thought that Nakamichis made at first had IEC1 EQ and other companies had IEC2 EQ, but I guess I got hat wrong? On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 3:45 PM, wrote: All decks by any make were the same EQ before 1980 when they stuck to the original IEC, depending on the make, decks afterwards except Nakamichi went to 1981 standard. I agree that the differences are subtle and are far more likely to be caused by differences in azimuth and alignment than EQ. The 550 is an old portable and while great for what it is can't compare at all to a real desktop deck. Buy the best condition Nakamichi you can afford and have it serviced and you will not look back or ever regret it. Perry Esposito - From my phone ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered http://www.kvglabs.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidt124 at internode.on.net Wed Jun 8 13:13:10 2011 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2011 21:13:10 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Digest problem Message-ID: The latest barrage of messages sent me close to signing off from Naktalk, not for the content but for the endless repeat messages you get on the digest service when people just hit the reply button. Please, Naktalkers, just leave in the most recent relevant message when replying. David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 8 13:34:06 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 04:34:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 3 heads vs 2 heads In-Reply-To: <6A809DE3D3D91C4DA371BE6FC0954CE74A3492229F@WSMSG3101V.srv.dir.telstra.com> References: <13365.80378.qm@web130105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <03b201cc23a5$712f8f20$538ead60$@net> <6A809DE3D3D91C4DA371BE6FC0954CE74A34780534@WSMSG3101V.srv.dir.telstra.com> <055501cc2524$26f4a780$74ddf680$@net> <6A809DE3D3D91C4DA371BE6FC0954CE74A3492229F@WSMSG3101V.srv.dir.telstra.com> Message-ID: <339835.65020.qm@web160612.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hi David, You made some key points there which is important to consider why manufacturers went through the trouble of producing 3 head designs. In fact, for the higher end ranges, Nakamichi made them all three head designs. The behavior of the head gap towards magnetic hysteresis is a fundamental reason why a head with a large gap is good for recording but not playback, and vice versa. A single head that does both tries to compromise between the both - the end result is a pleasing sound like the Nak 600 but may not necessarily approach the levels of performance that its 3-head counterpart offers. Nakamichi took this concept even further by physically building the two heads separately. You have one of my most favorite decks, the Aiwa ADF990. A beauty which has a wonderful sound and looks to match. Its amazing that almost 30 years on, the '990 looks great even today especially with the DATA system set in motion. I have the Execilia XK-009 but somehow I prefer the warmer, fuller sound of the 990. Cheers! Bala ________________________________ From: "Moore, David L" To: "adrian at mechner.net" ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wed, June 8, 2011 2:26:00 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] 3 heads vs 2 heads Adrian, The issue of reliability and simplicity is definitely worth considering. I agree in general that a well designed 2 head deck – with single RP head is going to be more reliable and is generally going to require less maintenance than the equivalent 3 head design. The old adage of ‘KISS’ definitely applies. My comments relate specifically to the superiority of a 3 head design in terms of extracting the best R-P performance. There are very well grounded technical reasons why separate, dedicated record and play heads will deliver better performance. It’s not just a matter of being able to calibrate during recording – although that is very essential of course. The specific issues I pointed out are very valid. Actually, Nakamichi themselves have done a good job of explaining the technical merits of the discrete 3 head approach in many of their product brochures. Head gap loss, hysteresis loss, saturation and contour effect etc is explained in a basic way that the average person can understand. Since 1980 I have owned more than 50 different cassette decks – from a wide range of manufacturers. Most have been 3 head designs but I have also owned some fine 2 head decks – including some from Nakamichi. Contrary to what you might expect the most flashy and feature filled deck I owned was probably a 2 head Teac. I think it was a V-95 (but it was a long time ago so I would need to check on that). I disagree that 3 head decks were a marketing ploy designed to somehow reap profits for manufacturers. On the contrary, the high end cassette deck market was never large enough to be highly profitable. Like most high end products, the TOTL decks were designed to gain the attention of hi-fi magazine reviewers and to raise the brand profile in the process. It’s the same today with TOTL amps, speakers etc. The concept of TOTL has always really been about brand marketing and positioning. The money is all made on the mass sales of low end products - that are claimed to contain some of the technology developed for the TOTL flagships. For the select few audiophiles – such as myself, the TOTL 3 head cassette decks did fulfil the requirement of being able to faithfully copy a new vinyl pressing for daily playback, allowing the LP to be stored and preserved as a long term master. I still own several Cassette Decks today including a Luxman K-03, Aiwa ADF-990, Nakamichi LX-5, Nakamichi 700ZXL, Yamaha K2000, and a rare Teac Z-7000. I try to keep them all in perfect working order and give them a run from time to time, but in the main they don’t get much play time these days and their presence in the (large) audio cabinet is more for the aesthetics as well as my daily reminder of a bygone ‘analogue’ era where everyone seemed to care far more about quality than simply profit. The quality of popular music is a very good case in point. It must confuse many young people today when they hear an album that was made 30 - 40 years ago and it sounds so much better than any modern popular album. For me, my TT and cassette decks are a reminder of that period when music producers and engineers sought to refine their arts, when popular artists would take upwards of 6 months in a recording studio to get their album perfect, and where record companies paid for the finest session musicians around to augment their artists’ albums. Music was definitely art back then. Today, recordings are obviously easy to make. The artist goes into the studio (room), the technician pushes the sliders on the console all the way to maximum and a computer generates all the instruments and sounds the artists needs – without the need to pay for a single musician. A few days later and the album is released for download - in a compressed digital format of course. It’s sad to say it but when it comes to music, It’s actually good to be old. Cheers, David From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Mechner Sent: Wednesday, 8 June 2011 1:04 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] 3 heads vs 2 heads I would rather look at this from a different angle. The advantage in terms of a three head design is “Saving time”. Should I say more? How come and why? Both have adjustable BIAS and this again only makes sense if you use a lot of different tapes and target the absolute. As of how different the two heads are (the recording and the play back head of the 3 head setup), I would like to see some manufacture issued documents stating and explaining that. Going back to the simpler version (MR2), I noticed a few steps according to my experience, done in the right direction: 1. Eliminating all unnecessary hardware for a much simpler cleaner more reliable and better sounding design. 2. They kept a 3 head design to target the high end consumer market for the sole purpose of maximizing return and keeping the idea alive that a good deck has to be stuffed with dials and buttons and adjustments just to make consumers believe they are also some kind of recording engineers and because they had to feel some kick after spending a whole bunch of dough… Later on the market shifted away from recreating the tracks at home, the systems begun to be more and more simple and of course more reliable and better sounding. While back in the ‘80th you had lots of dials on your amps, build in radio receivers and vinyl changer (See Dual), Today in that class you are going to find an amplifier with only “Volume” button, Turntables at insane prices where you get a motor, a piece of wood and a non automatic arm and a simple as a child can design, armrest. In terms of sound: AMAZING!!! What does this tell? I would also take a look into another direction, namely production location and what models have been produced where. While having in later times the new factory in Thailand for the CR’s and DR’s, they kept the professional line MR1 and MR2 in Japan. I know out of my other hobby (photography) that my D700 is produced in Japan while my wife’s D300 in Taiwan. These are questions which simplify a lot the answers. Before going into the gaps between heads and why they decided to have a larger or a narrower gap, there is the REALITY; the one, only the manufacturer knows. Have you done reverse engineering on the heads to come up with a solid and forensic proven fact? I assume, not. Also in an ideal world which you can forget about, the Dragon might be one of the fanciest toys in the cassette world, but not even those tanks where meant by the manufacturer to last forever with no maintenance. Wear appears and the fancy independent driven capstans start to fail, transforming it into a metal box with buttons. Adrian From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Moore, David L Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2011 11:03 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] 3 heads vs 2 heads “Let’s take for instance the MR 1 or 2. This line is PRO grade; the MR1 is a 3 head and the MR2 is a 2 head. For those believing that a 2 head is bad for recording, I must say they are very wrong. I don’t know how it’s build in terms of components, but the MR2 records superbly; I would say even better then entry level 3 head setups like the CR3. Don’t ask why because I don’t know the answer.” There are many excellent 2 head decks but there are necessary compromises in terms of head design. A narrow head gap is very desirable for a playback head – for extended HF response, but record heads need to have a wider gap for optimum linearity and bias current. There is also the issue of optimum impedance. Nakamichi obviously took the 3 head approach a step further by physically separating the record and play heads. I don’t want to fuel a debate on 2 head vs 3 head, but from a technical standpoint, a well designed discrete head (3 head) deck will offer much better performance than any 2 head deck. Cheers David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ct.waveform at googlemail.com Wed Jun 8 14:03:05 2011 From: ct.waveform at googlemail.com (Christian Thomas) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 13:03:05 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck Advice sought In-Reply-To: <1319.10013.qm@web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <1102014706-1307479551-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1429708606-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry> <1319.10013.qm@web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Julie, Did you buy the 9000 or did you just get the flip flops? If so what do you think of the sound? Maybe we could do our restorations in parallel. Incidentally I'm not sure I agree about the build quality. There's certainly a lot of thought in the design and the quality of the components looks good. It's rather dated in style and I'm sure that even then they could have had a fibreglass PCB (and I'm not sure about one or two of the tacked in components hovering above the board) but mostly it looks OK to me. A Walkman Pro looks far worse inside. Best wishes Christian On 8 June 2011 03:50, LENA WONG wrote: > I guess it really depend on what you are trying to record. For the kind of > musical material that Kermit has recorded ( haspicord ) for his CD, most of > the frequency contents are concentrated below 15kHz or lower so the Nak 550 > should be able to handle it. For something else it may not be. > > With All Respect, > Mike > > ------------------------------ > *From:* "perry.nak at comcast.net" > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Sent:* Tue, June 7, 2011 3:45:50 PM > *Subject:* [naktalk] Cassette Deck Advice sought > > All decks by any make were the same EQ before 1980 when they stuck to the > original IEC, depending on the make, decks afterwards except Nakamichi went > to 1981 standard. I agree that the differences are subtle and are far more > likely to be caused by differences in azimuth and alignment than EQ. The 550 > is an old portable and while great for what it is can't compare at all to a > real desktop deck. 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URL: From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com Wed Jun 8 14:14:11 2011 From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 14:14:11 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck advice sought. In-Reply-To: <0LMC00BLEMKIKE00@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> References: <365095.16113.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <829828.30352.qm@web80208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0LMC00BLEMKIKE00@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: Comparing a REVOX B710 with a Dragon is like comparing a Mercedes made 1968 with a Car from the 1990. A car with 4 wheel drive plus electronic to handle the power to the 4wheels and APS and ESP and all that used in a modern car. This two Decks are both very good, but very different. The Nak sound is more open. The Revox Transport and the control buttons are " heavy useable" the build for the Radio Studio in the 1970ies. Bias, Level, and equalization can be set inside the Deck only. regards Gerhard Am 06.06.2011 um 05:19 schrieb goodguy: > Mike, > > Before I bought my Dragon (which I love), have you ever had the > chance of doing a comparison with the B710? > > At 04:43 PM 6/5/2011, you wrote: >> Actually mine is a Studer A710 but it should be the same as the >> Revox B710 MK-II except with balanced input/output interconnects. >> >> >> Mike >> >> >> From: Julie Kessler >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Sent: Sun, June 5, 2011 1:40:20 PM >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette deck advice sought. >> >> Oh, I am so relieved .. your comment confirmed what I've been >> hearing from the studio's Revox B710 Mk. II, and we have a dead >> Tandberg TCD420, so I believe you on the T'berg. But the B&O is >> just so cute! >> >> On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 10:30 PM, LENA WONG wrote: >> Hi Julie: >> For non-Nakamichi Decks, the Revox B710 MK-II is a >> nice recording deck but the playback is not that good. The >> Tandberg TCD-440 has record head Azimuth Adjustment Control just >> like some Naks and it has very sweet sound but it broke down a >> lot. Lately the power supply capacitors blown and needed to be >> fixed. The B&O Becord 9000 has unusual features in the auto-tape >> calibration area ( Bias, Equalization, Sensistivity and Distortion >> Level ) and it is a nice sounding deck but its built quality is >> not as high as others. The Distortion Level in the tape >> calibration procedure is pretty unique. The meters seem flimsy and >> over-simplify but it does the job it supposes to do. It is a >> single-motor/capstan transport but its W&F level is very low. >> >> I own all three decks and from the reliability point >> of view I would pick the Revox. Based on my past listening >> experience on these three decks all three are fine recording decks >> but finding a properly serviced Beocord 9000 will be tough. >> Tandberg can still be serviced without costing you a fortune. >> >> The above is just my own opinion and it only >> represents mine. Hope this help. >> >> >> Good Listening, >> Mike >> >> >> From: Julie Kessler < juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com> >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Sent: Sat, June 4, 2011 9:46:19 PM >> Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck advice sought. >> >> Hello All, >> >> I'm getting ready to buy my second cassette deck and need some >> advice. I love my Nakamichi 550, but tapes I make on it don't >> sound right on my friends' cassettes, because Nakamichi 550's >> don't use the same EQ as other brands (do I have that right?). So, >> all I can do if I want to share is have my friends bring their >> recorder by and copy to their cassette. Right now I'm borrowing a >> friend's Pioneer CT-F1000, and it's actually pretty good but not >> as detailed as my Nakamichi 550 >> >> So here's my questions: >> >> Which Nakamichi's have the same EQ as everyone else, or all they >> all non-standard? IF one of the Nakamichi's have standard EQ, >> which is the most neutral sounding? I'd like to match the "feel" >> of the sound of my Revox A77 Mk. III Dolby as close as possible, >> if that makes any sense. >> >> If no Nakamichi has standard EQ, then I'm trying to decide between >> these cassette decks -- Revox B710 Mk. II, Tandberg TCD-440, or >> Bang & Olufsen 9000 (I know where I can get a B&O 9000 really >> cheap, about the same cost as a pair of Flip-Flops). >> >> Thanks for all your advice! >> >> -- Julie Kessler >> juliek at kvglabs.com >> Artist Development Executive >> KVG Laboratories >> I Found The Sound! 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URL: From r1seals at yahoo.com Wed Jun 8 15:03:13 2011 From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 06:03:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] MR-1B Equalization In-Reply-To: <224704.28935.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <510164.80167.qm@web113301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> well this is what conclusion that I have come up with after reading on this form and others and talking to a few people it was all about nakamichi heads and most people will agree that they are superior to any other deck manufacturers heads and nak could do the numbers from 12 hz to way up past 20k and they new this I guess if I made heads that could do this I would not want to lower my standards  either but they did with the newer decks now this is just the way I read it.  lots have been talked about on this subject.  Russ  --- On Tue, 6/7/11, Scott Johnson wrote: From: Scott Johnson Subject: Re: [naktalk] MR-1B Equalization To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, June 7, 2011, 7:10 PM The white dot means that the highs will start distorting earlier when pushed hard, thus giving you a couple dB less dynamic range.  The recordings are suppose to sound better in non Nakamichi decks that conform to the newer record/playback equaliation.   I don't think collectors care too much.  Those with Nakamichi collections will probably want to stay away from it.  Those that have more non-Nakamichi decks may prefer it.  Few people even know that there is a "B" version or how to determine if a deck is a B   Making the change is fairly easy, but, will require a complete electrical calibration using the correct calibration tapes (non Nakamichi in a few cases)   You can find documentation in the Nak.com wiki.  Look for document PRO-01 and MISC-063.  Unfortunately MISC-063 is not linked in the Wiki.  The PRO-01 document is hosted my my web site with a valid link in the wiki.   I just love the verbage in the document.  "...Nakamichi MR-1 may be altered to closely resemble the many decks with non-standard equalization."  Non-standard to Nakamichi maybe, but, STANDARD to just about every other tape deck manufacturer at the time!   Scott J. From: Adrian Mechner To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, June 7, 2011 8:44:21 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] MR-1B Equalization Wow! I got the dot on my MR2. Photo attached! What does this mean in terms of sound, collector’s value, and generally speaking? Is it more desirable than the one with no dot? Is it this white dot that makes it sound so great?  :) I would really want to know, Thanks   Adrian   From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of eric holtz Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2011 7:53 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] MR-1B Equalization   Hello, Ron, you were correct about the different equalization curve used in the MR-1B. The only way to visually check which unit is which, is to look at the underneath. The MR-1B has a small white dot stuck to the outside of the bottom plate, while the MR-1 does not. I hope this helps. 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URL: From adrian at mechner.net Wed Jun 8 15:38:45 2011 From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 06:38:45 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] RE: ZX-9 reversed capacitors on MCB In-Reply-To: References: <990254839.1579311.1307359046850.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <05f201cc25e1$63e20d50$2ba627f0$@net> Question about a Nak which is now on epay: Does this one belong to one of the members and if so, what is the real problem with it, Thanks http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300556979481&ssPageName=S TRK:MEWAX:IT -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Wouter Heijke Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 12:24 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: ZX-9 reversed capacitors on MCB I've seen it in a RX-202 I aquired recently and I've seen it in another Nak aquired longer ago can't remember the model.. ah, it also happened in a WM-7 (Sony walkman). Basically it's nasty sticky stuff. What usually happens is the belt getting to weak it doesn't have any grip anymore, maybe that is stage 1 and if you wait longer with replacing the belt it turns into this mess (stage 2)? Wouter > Thanks, Ram, interesting to know it's not just these. Have you ever seen > this occur with any other Nak belt? > I've been through over 40 Naks, and this is the first one! I've contacted > ESL for replacement belts. > May try a BX-300 belt just to make sure it's operational, once I get the > cap thing figured out.. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From adrian at mechner.net Wed Jun 8 15:53:39 2011 From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 06:53:39 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] MR-1B Equalization In-Reply-To: <224704.28935.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <175745.90887.qm@web126010.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <056001cc2529$ca31cd10$5e956730$@net> <224704.28935.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <05f301cc25e3$78d487e0$6a7d97a0$@net> Thanks for the answer. I have only one thing to comment: I like so much the recording capability of this deck that I use it as my main recording tool and the tapes sound fantastic on my CR3A. There is no difference in sound when plaid back, between the two. I have Axiom M60 v3 Floor standing Speakers, the REGA Mira 3 amp. and good ears. I too (or three or four or one hundred) had gazillions of decks since my first AKAI back in ’80; still have to many, including the F660 AIWA, which had (because now it’s dad) the best sound so far. I don’t believe in the EQ differences, period! Different brands have different sound, this is my opinion and I can’t be shifted from that. I also respect all others opinions and won’t comment. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Scott Johnson Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 5:10 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] MR-1B Equalization The white dot means that the highs will start distorting earlier when pushed hard, thus giving you a couple dB less dynamic range. The recordings are suppose to sound better in non Nakamichi decks that conform to the newer record/playback equaliation. I don't think collectors care too much. Those with Nakamichi collections will probably want to stay away from it. Those that have more non-Nakamichi decks may prefer it. Few people even know that there is a "B" version or how to determine if a deck is a B Making the change is fairly easy, but, will require a complete electrical calibration using the correct calibration tapes (non Nakamichi in a few cases) You can find documentation in the Nak.com wiki. Look for document PRO-01 and MISC-063. Unfortunately MISC-063 is not linked in the Wiki. The PRO-01 document is hosted my my web site with a valid link in the wiki. I just love the verbage in the document. "...Nakamichi MR-1 may be altered to closely resemble the many decks with non-standard equalization." Non-standard to Nakamichi maybe, but, STANDARD to just about every other tape deck manufacturer at the time! Scott J. _____ From: Adrian Mechner To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, June 7, 2011 8:44:21 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] MR-1B Equalization Wow! I got the dot on my MR2. Photo attached! What does this mean in terms of sound, collector’s value, and generally speaking? Is it more desirable than the one with no dot? Is it this white dot that makes it sound so great? :) I would really want to know, Thanks Adrian From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of eric holtz Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2011 7:53 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] MR-1B Equalization Hello, Ron, you were correct about the different equalization curve used in the MR-1B. The only way to visually check which unit is which, is to look at the underneath. The MR-1B has a small white dot stuck to the outside of the bottom plate, while the MR-1 does not. I hope this helps. Eric -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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With all epoxies, I think there is a lot more going on than we know like; age of product, how important exact equal amounts are, the real curing time, five minute versus regular strength etc. I've also used a product called 'Plastic Welder", which is a two part product. If it 'likes' your plastic, it does a great job...very strong. However, even capped, the extra doesn't seem to last very long. Kevin ________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2011 09:18:05 -0700 From: perpetua at q.com Subject: [naktalk] Introduction and Dragon power switch bar repair question To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <4DEE4F3D.7050707 at q.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello all, Recently subscribed to the group and I guess an introduction is in order-- Been a Nak owner for many years, but mostly lurk on the various forums; and recognize many familiar names here in the group :) Currently residing in my Nak stable are a 480, gear updated RX-202, and of course my wonderful Dragon. I like the outdoors, sitting by the fire, and of course long moonlit walks with my Dragon -- /oops wrong forum /LOL!!! At times my off the wall sense of humor isn't best conveyed in print -- but ..... That said, I look forward to sharing and learning among my fellow Nakmichians. Here's my latest dilemma that I would greatly appreciate advice on. Seems that the Power Switch Bar on my Dragon (the white plastic bar that connects the front power button to the actual switch at the rear of the deck) has broken one of it's tabs at the switch side. I have the broken piece and am thinking I could carefully align the broken pieces together and glue them. I was thinking of using a Cyanoacrylate product (Super Glue) SO, before I use the wrong type of adhesive I thought it prudent to ask those in the know. I am in the U.S., and I know some products that you folks on the other side of the pond use may be unavailable to me ... Sure wish I could just turn back time and give Nak a call --- Where's Patty when ya need her :) Thanks in advance for everyone's input! Sorry for the long winded post -- Richard -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Wed Jun 8 17:26:41 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 08:26:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] MR-1B Equalization In-Reply-To: <175745.90887.qm@web126010.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <900118.69480.qm@web130124.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Eric, I know about that white dot. However, in so many years of use (and maybe several owners) that dot could have been obliterated. It is also possible some owners modified their MR-1 or BX-300 to make a B version. Bottom line: there is no telling for sure what model a deck is without actually testing it. -- Ron --- On Sun, 6/5/11, eric holtz wrote: From: eric holtz Subject: [naktalk] MR-1B Equalization To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sunday, June 5, 2011, 10:52 PM Hello, Ron, you were correct about the different equalization curve used in the MR-1B. The only way to visually check which unit is which, is to look at the underneath. The MR-1B has a small white dot stuck to the outside of the bottom plate, while the MR-1 does not. I hope this helps. Eric -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Wed Jun 8 17:37:35 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 08:37:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck advice sought. In-Reply-To: <20110605.230921.2776.1.hhtltd@juno.com> Message-ID: <733448.8091.qm@web130109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > EQ, is the same on all models and for sure it’s a standard in the industrie. There is a standard, that in many models Nakamichi did not follow. > Let’s take for instance the MR 1 or 2. This line is PRO grade; In name only. The MR-1 is essentially a BX-300 (not so called 'pro grade'), with pitch control and balanced I/O. > ...Don’t ask why because I don’t know the answer. Well, wouldn't it make sense for you to listen to -- rather than argue with --  those that do? Peace, -- Ron --- On Sun, 6/5/11, hhtltd at juno.com wrote: From: hhtltd at juno.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette deck advice sought. 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NCM   On Sun, 5 Jun 2011 10:24:35 -0700 "Adrian Mechner" writes: I wonder how you Nak owners can go into this kind of topic. EQ, is the same on all models and for sure it’s a standard in the industrie. Only because the production has stopped a long time ago and the vast majority of decks survive up to a point being resuscitated from time to time, they will start having different sound. Deviations appear after 1000 hours of normal play, not to talk about gazillions of hours; you really can’t expect perfect conservation over 30-40 years in service. In a normal world, you would have a place to service your gear periodically, change parts as needed and have standard settings at all times. This world is not given, therefore you have to live with what you got or the best you can make out of it. Different brands will have different sound and there is no “IDEAL SOUND”. The differences are not to be located in the recording industrie  standard because the guide lines are same as building codes.  If there would have been deviations from the standard in terms of EQ, BIAS which would make the recordings to be brand or model specific, you would have been told in the owners manual about it. The differences as of today are caused by wear and wear only. Again, I’m not talking about different “kind” of sound, but of the standard used in recording. Let’s take for instance the MR 1 or 2. This line is PRO grade; the MR1 is a 3 head and the MR2 is a 2 head. For those believing that a 2 head is bad for recording, I must say they are very wrong. I don’t know how it’s build in terms of components, but the MR2 records superbly; I would say even better then entry level 3 head setups like the CR3. Don’t ask why because I don’t know the answer. So, back to the idea of interchangeability; if the 2 head MR2 is meant for play only (some would say), where does the recording come from? On the other hand, like I mentioned in a previous post, my MR2 comes from a local radio station. I was told that it was used if they had guests on their live shows who where, let’s say,  musicians and they brought in a cassette with a new song to be played during the show. That was one of the times they used MR2.  professionally. This discussion could go on and on but trust me, deviations come from wear and leak in spare parts. Have a sunny Sunday! P.S. Find a deck with as low hours as you can get and it will give you more pleasure then the rating of the model in the line up. BTW I will sell my Naks (MR2 and CR3) anyone interested?   From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2011 7:22 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette deck advice sought.   I believe Nakamichi made some MR-1s to match the standard IEC equalization curve (MR-1B). I also believe these were not clearly marked as such and therefore, may be difficult to identify. Also, CR-7s that have the EQ mod installed produce very nice sounding tapes that sound just fine on non-Nak (but quality) decks. I am not sure they actually follow the standard curve, though. As a side note: I am very happy with my CR-7 and have no hesitation generally (not just this issue) recommending this model. However, be aware that to contain the EQ mod, a deck should either be a late production unit or have been modified to include it. -- Ron --- On Sat, 6/4/11, Julie Kessler wrote: From: Julie Kessler Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck advice sought. To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Saturday, June 4, 2011, 10:46 PM Hello All, I'm getting ready to buy my second cassette deck and need some advice. I love my Nakamichi 550, but tapes I make on it don't sound right on my friends' cassettes, because Nakamichi 550's don't use the same EQ as other brands (do I have that right?). So, all I can do if I want to share is have my friends bring their recorder by and copy to their cassette. Right now I'm borrowing a friend's Pioneer CT-F1000, and it's actually pretty good but not as detailed as my Nakamichi 550 So here's my questions: Which Nakamichi's have the same EQ as everyone else, or all they all non-standard? IF one of the Nakamichi's have standard EQ, which is the most neutral sounding? I'd like to match the "feel" of the sound of my Revox A77 Mk. III Dolby as close as possible, if that makes any sense. If no Nakamichi has standard EQ, then I'm trying to decide between these cassette decks -- Revox B710 Mk. II, Tandberg TCD-440, or Bang & Olufsen 9000 (I know where I can get a B&O 9000 really cheap, about the same cost as a pair of Flip-Flops). Thanks for all your advice! -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! 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If you only listen to tapes recorded on the same MR-2, it means zilch. (According to Nakamichi, non-'B' decks will produce better record/play back sonics than 'B' decks, but the difference, if any, is less than minute.) I doubt there is a higher market value. Most people are not knowledgeable enough to even understand the 'B' difference. -- Ron --- On Tue, 6/7/11, Adrian Mechner wrote: From: Adrian Mechner Subject: RE: [naktalk] MR-1B Equalization To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Tuesday, June 7, 2011, 11:44 AM Wow! I got the dot on my MR2. Photo attached!What does this mean in terms of sound, collector’s value, and generally speaking? Is it more desirable than the one with no dot?Is it this white dot that makes it sound so great?  :)I would really want to know,Thanks  Adrian  From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of eric holtz Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2011 7:53 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] MR-1B Equalization  Hello, Ron, you were correct about the different equalization curve used in the MR-1B. The only way to visually check which unit is which, is to look at the underneath. The MR-1B has a small white dot stuck to the outside of the bottom plate, while the MR-1 does not. I hope this helps. Eric   -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Wed Jun 8 18:07:28 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 09:07:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 3 heads vs 2 heads In-Reply-To: <6A809DE3D3D91C4DA371BE6FC0954CE74A3492229F@WSMSG3101V.srv.dir.telstra.com> Message-ID: <406687.46282.qm@web130104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > I agree in general that a well designed 2 head deck – with single RP head is > going to be more reliable Not so. Two head decks employ far more switching than 3 head decks. This results in a dramatically simpler signal path for the latter. This, in turn, results in better  sonics, as well as higher reliability and and far easier maintenance. -- Ron --- On Wed, 6/8/11, Moore, David L wrote: From: Moore, David L Subject: RE: [naktalk] 3 heads vs 2 heads To: "adrian at mechner.net" , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, June 8, 2011, 12:26 AM Adrian,   The issue of reliability and simplicity is definitely worth considering. I agree in general that a well designed 2 head deck – with single RP head is going to be more reliable and is generally going to require less maintenance than the equivalent 3 head design. The old adage of ‘KISS’ definitely applies.  My comments relate specifically to the superiority of a 3 head design in terms of extracting the best R-P performance. There are very well grounded technical reasons why separate, dedicated record and play heads will deliver better performance. It’s not just a matter of being able to calibrate during recording – although that is very essential of course.  The specific issues I pointed out are very valid. Actually, Nakamichi themselves have done a good job of explaining the technical merits of the discrete 3 head approach in many of their product brochures. Head gap loss, hysteresis loss,  saturation and contour effect etc is explained in a basic way that the average person can understand.   Since 1980  I have owned more than 50 different cassette decks – from a wide range of manufacturers. Most have been 3 head designs but I have also owned some fine 2 head decks – including some from Nakamichi. Contrary to what you might expect the most flashy and feature filled deck I owned was probably a 2 head Teac. I think it was a V-95 (but it was a long time ago so I would need to check on that).   I disagree that 3 head decks were a marketing ploy designed to somehow reap profits for manufacturers. On the contrary, the high end cassette deck market was never large enough to be highly profitable. Like most high end products, the TOTL decks were designed to gain the attention of hi-fi magazine reviewers and to raise the brand profile in the process. It’s the same today with TOTL amps, speakers etc. The concept of TOTL has always really been about brand marketing and positioning. The money is all made on the mass sales of low end products - that are claimed to contain some of the technology developed for the  TOTL flagships.   For the select few audiophiles – such as myself, the TOTL 3 head cassette decks did fulfil the requirement of being able to faithfully copy a new vinyl pressing for daily playback, allowing the LP to be stored and preserved as a long term master. I still own several Cassette Decks today including a Luxman K-03, Aiwa ADF-990, Nakamichi LX-5,  Nakamichi 700ZXL, Yamaha K2000, and a rare Teac Z-7000. I try to keep them all in perfect working order and give them a run from time to time, but in the main they don’t get much play time these days and their presence in the (large) audio cabinet is more for the aesthetics as well as my daily reminder of a bygone ‘analogue’ era where everyone seemed to care far more about quality than simply profit. The quality of popular music is a very good case in point. It must confuse many young people today when they hear an album that was made 30 - 40 years ago and it sounds so much better than any modern popular album. For me, my TT and cassette decks are a reminder of that period when music producers and engineers sought to refine their arts, when popular artists would take upwards of 6 months in a recording studio to get their album perfect, and where record companies paid for the finest session musicians around to augment their artists’ albums. Music was definitely art back then.   Today, recordings are obviously easy to make. The artist goes into the studio (room), the technician pushes the sliders on the console all the way to maximum and a computer generates all the instruments and sounds the artists needs – without the need to pay for a single musician.  A few days later and the album is released for download - in a compressed digital format of course.    It’s sad to say it but when it comes to music,  It’s actually good to be old. Cheers, David         From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Mechner Sent: Wednesday, 8 June 2011 1:04 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] 3 heads vs 2 heads   I would rather look at this from a different angle. The advantage in terms of a three head design is “Saving time”. Should I say more? How come and why? Both have adjustable BIAS and this again only makes sense if you use a lot of different tapes and target the absolute. As of how different the two heads are (the recording and the play back head of the 3 head setup), I would like to see some manufacture issued documents stating and explaining that. Going back to the simpler version (MR2), I noticed a few steps according to my experience, done in the right direction: 1.       Eliminating all unnecessary hardware for a much simpler cleaner more reliable and better sounding design. 2.       They kept a 3 head design to target the high end consumer market for the sole purpose of maximizing return and keeping the idea alive that a good deck has to be stuffed with dials and buttons and adjustments just to make consumers believe they are also some kind of recording engineers and because they had to feel some kick after spending a whole bunch of dough… Later on the market shifted away from recreating the tracks at home, the systems begun to be more and more simple and of course more reliable and better sounding. While back in the ‘80th you had lots of dials on your amps, build in radio receivers and vinyl changer (See Dual), Today in that class you are going to find an amplifier with only “Volume” button, Turntables at insane prices where you get a motor, a piece of wood and a non automatic arm and a simple as a child can design, armrest. In terms of sound: AMAZING!!! What does this tell? I would also take a look into another direction, namely production location and what models have been produced where. While having in later times the new factory in Thailand for the CR’s and DR’s, they kept the professional line MR1 and MR2 in Japan. I know out of my other hobby (photography) that my D700 is produced in Japan while my wife’s D300 in Taiwan. These are questions which simplify a lot the answers. Before going into the gaps between heads and why they decided to have a larger or a narrower gap, there is the REALITY; the one, only the manufacturer knows. Have you done reverse engineering on the heads to come up with a solid and forensic proven fact? I assume, not. Also in an ideal world which you can forget about, the Dragon might be one of the fanciest toys in the cassette world, but not even those tanks where meant by the manufacturer to last forever with no maintenance. Wear appears and the fancy independent driven capstans start to fail, transforming it into a metal box with buttons.   Adrian   From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Moore, David L Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2011 11:03 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] 3 heads vs 2 heads     “Let’s take for instance the MR 1 or 2. This line is PRO grade; the MR1 is a 3 head and the MR2 is a 2 head. For those believing that a 2 head is bad for recording, I must say they are very wrong. I don’t know how it’s build in terms of components, but the MR2 records superbly; I would say even better then entry level 3 head setups like the CR3. Don’t ask why because I don’t know the answer.”   There are many excellent 2 head decks but there are necessary compromises in terms of head design. A narrow head gap is very desirable for a playback head – for extended HF response, but record heads need to have a wider gap for optimum linearity and bias current. There is also the issue of optimum impedance. Nakamichi obviously took the 3 head approach a step further by physically separating the record and play heads.   I don’t want to fuel a debate on 2 head vs 3 head, but from a technical standpoint,  a well designed discrete head (3 head) deck will offer much better performance than any 2 head deck.   Cheers David        -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ct.waveform at googlemail.com Wed Jun 8 20:11:15 2011 From: ct.waveform at googlemail.com (Christian Thomas) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 19:11:15 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] MR-1B Equalization In-Reply-To: <224704.28935.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <175745.90887.qm@web126010.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <056001cc2529$ca31cd10$5e956730$@net> <224704.28935.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Scott Could you possibly direct me to some definitive documents on what the standard equalisations are and perhaps how Nakamichi differed from these. In amongst this confusion I hope to be able to work out what B&O did with the 9000 deck that I have. I know it's terribly sophisticated but at the moment it is to a Nak what a Dual 505 is to an LP12. Thanks Christian On 8 June 2011 01:10, Scott Johnson wrote: > The white dot means that the highs will start distorting earlier when > pushed hard, thus giving you a couple dB less dynamic range. The recordings > are suppose to sound better in non Nakamichi decks that conform to the newer > record/playback equaliation. > > I don't think collectors care too much. Those with Nakamichi collections > will probably want to stay away from it. Those that have more non-Nakamichi > decks may prefer it. Few people even know that there is a "B" version or > how to determine if a deck is a B > > Making the change is fairly easy, but, will require a complete electrical > calibration using the correct calibration tapes (non Nakamichi in a few > cases) > > You can find documentation in the Nak.com wiki. Look for document PRO-01 > and MISC-063. Unfortunately MISC-063 is not linked in the Wiki. The PRO-01 > document is hosted my my web site with a valid link in the wiki. > > I just love the verbage in the document. "...Nakamichi MR-1 may be altered > to closely resemble *the many decks with non-standard equalization*." > Non-standard to Nakamichi maybe, but, STANDARD to just about every other > tape deck manufacturer at the time! > > Scott J. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Adrian Mechner > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Tue, June 7, 2011 8:44:21 AM > *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] MR-1B Equalization > > Wow! I got the dot on my MR2. Photo attached! > > What does this mean in terms of sound, collector’s value, and generally > speaking? > > Is it more desirable than the one with no dot? > > Is it this white dot that makes it sound so great? :) > > I would really want to know, > > Thanks > > > > Adrian > > > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *eric holtz > *Sent:* Sunday, June 05, 2011 7:53 PM > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Subject:* [naktalk] MR-1B Equalization > > > > Hello, > Ron, you were correct about the different equalization curve used in the > MR-1B. The only way to visually check which unit is which, is to look at the > underneath. The MR-1B has a small white dot stuck to the outside of the > bottom plate, while the MR-1 does not. I hope this helps. > Eric > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ct.waveform at googlemail.com Wed Jun 8 20:36:39 2011 From: ct.waveform at googlemail.com (Christian Thomas) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 19:36:39 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Introduction and Dragon power switch bar repair question In-Reply-To: <4DEE4F3D.7050707@q.com> References: <4DEE4F3D.7050707@q.com> Message-ID: Hi Richard I'd probably advise against CAE as a glue. It is brilliant on things like ceramics but on plastics it leaves a white cloud residue and no chance of ever redoing the joint if it fails. I don't know why this is but it seems to sometimes take and sometimes you almost feel as though the parts reject it. Now I'm going to suggest you go about this scientifically and make a joint that will definitely last. There are only two glues to use and both of them are resins. Cheaply, and with some reinforcement in the shape of GF tissue and perhaps a matchstick or two, you could use polyester resin. Without reinforcement you could use an standard epoxy. You probably have to buy it by the half litre while needing about 1ml, but there is no greater glue in the world. If you have the time to investigate it properly and try it out for other uses the effort is worthwhile just to not be frightened of it anymore. If you are like me, you will be amazed at its properties and will start using it for everything. (I have lined our oil tank with it and filled its holes, used it on door handles with aluminium powder, filled ceramics with porcelain chips and done everything on my Lotus with it rather than with polyester. Oh, and floors too - it paints them perfectly. The one thing to take note of is its extraordinarily low viscosity. It will drip everywhere. Acetone is the solvent of choice for this, but that's hardly uniformly compatible with plastics. My advice would be to take the part out and do it in isolation. Yes, I know this seems over the top for a small mend, but the extra money and the little bit of extra time is so worth it for the peace of mind and what you learn. BTW - I do not mean Araldite. Best of luck Christian On 7 June 2011 17:18, wrote: > Hello all, > > Recently subscribed to the group and I guess an introduction is in order-- > > Been a Nak owner for many years, but mostly lurk on the various forums; and > recognize many familiar names here in the group :) > Currently residing in my Nak stable are a 480, gear updated RX-202, and of > course my wonderful Dragon. > > I like the outdoors, sitting by the fire, and of course long moonlit walks > with my Dragon -- *oops wrong forum *LOL!!! > At times my off the wall sense of humor isn't best conveyed in print -- but > ..... > > That said, I look forward to sharing and learning among my fellow > Nakmichians. > > > Here's my latest dilemma that I would greatly appreciate advice on. > Seems that the Power Switch Bar on my Dragon (the white plastic bar that > connects the front power button to the actual switch at the rear of the > deck) has broken one of it's tabs at the switch side. > I have the broken piece and am thinking I could carefully align the broken > pieces together and glue them. 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 8 22:49:03 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 06:49:03 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: ZX-9 reversed capacitors on MCB In-Reply-To: References: <990254839.1579311.1307359046850.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <5EBB9102-7030-4A76-866F-EC37B5861A33@yahoo.com> Could it be also sue to chemical breakdown due to spirits, IPA or ozone? Bala Sent from my iPhone On Jun 7, 2011, at 17:24, "Wouter Heijke" wrote: > I've seen it in a RX-202 I aquired recently and I've seen it in another > Nak aquired longer ago can't remember the model.. ah, it also happened in > a WM-7 (Sony walkman). > > Basically it's nasty sticky stuff. What usually happens is the belt > getting to weak it doesn't have any grip anymore, maybe that is stage 1 > and if you wait longer with replacing the belt it turns into this mess > (stage 2)? > > Wouter > >> Thanks, Ram, interesting to know it's not just these. Have you ever seen >> this occur with any other Nak belt? >> I've been through over 40 Naks, and this is the first one! I've contacted >> ESL for replacement belts. >> May try a BX-300 belt just to make sure it's operational, once I get the >> cap thing figured out.. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From sadler at hawaii.edu Thu Jun 9 01:37:43 2011 From: sadler at hawaii.edu (Sadler Dan) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2011 13:37:43 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 Belt Changing Message-ID: On recommendations from this forum, I ordered and have received a replacement belt kit from my LX-3 from Marrs Communication and wanted to consult the group before installing them. The only belt that is broken in the LX-3 is the control motor belt (square profile). 1. Can I just slip the new control motor belt on or does the cam drive gear need to be in a particular orientation? 2. Do I need to clean the surfaces of the gear(s) with alcohol before installing the belt? 3. Should I go ahead and replace the capstan belt and counter belt at the same time? 4. An idler tire was included with the belts, but I see from the forum that installation is not trivial. How can I tell if I need to replace the idler tire? 5. Anything else to consider such as lubrication or cleaning? Any other hints or suggestions are appreciated. Thanks for the help, Dan From spacepup at hotmail.com Thu Jun 9 02:03:10 2011 From: spacepup at hotmail.com (Sean Reid) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 20:03:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] dual-voltage part question Message-ID: hi all, just wondering if there is such an animal as a dual volatge switch for nak decks that will allow it to operate on japanese & north american voltages (100-120) or japanese & UK voltages (100-240). i've seen the North American/UK dual voltage switch on a Nak deck ( I have one on one of my Dragons) but do not know if the others even exist. additionally, are these switches interchangeable between deck models, or are the deck-specific (again, if they even do exist). looking forward to your answers on this subject,Sean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adrian at mechner.net Thu Jun 9 02:09:53 2011 From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 17:09:53 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck advice sought. In-Reply-To: <733448.8091.qm@web130109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20110605.230921.2776.1.hhtltd@juno.com> <733448.8091.qm@web130109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <065701cc2639$8f3442e0$ad9cc8a0$@net> I really do not have the intention, nor the desire to enter a dispute or argument and I won’t get back to this issue, BUT your statement with my words taken out of context like the fox ”journalists” use to do is actually saying that Nakamichi breached the international standard in compliance with which they should have manufactured their products, intentionally or by mistake. I took my time to read owner’s manuals on quite a few models and there was no statement such as: “Recordings done on this product are compatible for play back only with: Nakamichi X, Y, Z. Sorry buddy, but there must be something wrong. BTW, I really don’t care about how they did it, it’s of zilch importance to me, it only popped out as a non sense to find people talking abut such a thing. Adrian From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 8:38 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette deck advice sought. > EQ, is the same on all models and for sure it’s a standard in the industrie. There is a standard, that in many models Nakamichi did not follow. > Let’s take for instance the MR 1 or 2. This line is PRO grade; In name only. The MR-1 is essentially a BX-300 (not so called 'pro grade'), with pitch control and balanced I/O. > ...Don’t ask why because I don’t know the answer. Well, wouldn't it make sense for you to listen to -- rather than argue with -- those that do? Peace, -- Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From girolamous at yahoo.com Thu Jun 9 03:06:15 2011 From: girolamous at yahoo.com (j. helffrich) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 18:06:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 100, Issue 10 In-Reply-To: <201106081058.p58AnwP0032314@zxe.naks.com> References: <201106081058.p58AnwP0032314@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <195514.1254.qm@web113515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Adrian summarized my feelings exactly. In the old (1950-1970's) days, people actually cared about sound and artistry. Now music is commoditized and comparing 60's jazz to 010's jazz is like comparing a French dinner to fast food. I can't listen to anything new without cringing, not only because of the lack of subtlety but due to the compression and EQ that everything is given. Pandora--meh. Now we have the world of lifeless music at our fingertips; 1000 stations and no time to listen. For a while I used to listen to what I wanted on Rhapsody and record it on my RX-505, but after a few months I realized that wasn't cutting it. Jerry **************************************** From David.Moore at team.telstra.com Thu Jun 9 05:45:41 2011 From: David.Moore at team.telstra.com (Moore, David L) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 13:45:41 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] 3 heads vs 2 heads In-Reply-To: <339835.65020.qm@web160612.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <13365.80378.qm@web130105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <03b201cc23a5$712f8f20$538ead60$@net> <6A809DE3D3D91C4DA371BE6FC0954CE74A34780534@WSMSG3101V.srv.dir.telstra.com> <055501cc2524$26f4a780$74ddf680$@net> <6A809DE3D3D91C4DA371BE6FC0954CE74A3492229F@WSMSG3101V.srv.dir.telstra.com> <339835.65020.qm@web160612.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6A809DE3D3D91C4DA371BE6FC0954CE74A3499DA69@WSMSG3101V.srv.dir.telstra.com> Bala I also owned a XK-009 (from new) for about 10 years. A nice performance deck that looks the goods but is really a very simplified design under the hood and uses op-amps everywhere. The old ADF series is not perfect but is a much more serious design from an engineering pov. I agree, the 990 is a great deck that would make my top all time 10 list of cassette decks. Nakamichi Dragon Nakamichi ZX-9 Tandburg 3014A Revox B215 Nakamichi 1000ZXL Nakamichi CR-7 TEAC Z-6000 Luxman K05 Pioneer CT93 Aiwa AD-F990 The Nak 600 is actually a very well optimised recording device. Recordings made on a 600 are designed to play back perfectly on a 3 head nak. It was built for long term reliability and consistency of performance. Regards, David From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Wednesday, 8 June 2011 9:34 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] 3 heads vs 2 heads Hi David, You made some key points there which is important to consider why manufacturers went through the trouble of producing 3 head designs. In fact, for the higher end ranges, Nakamichi made them all three head designs. The behavior of the head gap towards magnetic hysteresis is a fundamental reason why a head with a large gap is good for recording but not playback, and vice versa. A single head that does both tries to compromise between the both - the end result is a pleasing sound like the Nak 600 but may not necessarily approach the levels of performance that its 3-head counterpart offers. Nakamichi took this concept even further by physically building the two heads separately. You have one of my most favorite decks, the Aiwa ADF990. A beauty which has a wonderful sound and looks to match. Its amazing that almost 30 years on, the '990 looks great even today especially with the DATA system set in motion. I have the Execilia XK-009 but somehow I prefer the warmer, fuller sound of the 990. Cheers! Bala ________________________________ From: "Moore, David L" To: "adrian at mechner.net" ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wed, June 8, 2011 2:26:00 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] 3 heads vs 2 heads Adrian, The issue of reliability and simplicity is definitely worth considering. I agree in general that a well designed 2 head deck – with single RP head is going to be more reliable and is generally going to require less maintenance than the equivalent 3 head design. The old adage of ‘KISS’ definitely applies. My comments relate specifically to the superiority of a 3 head design in terms of extracting the best R-P performance. There are very well grounded technical reasons why separate, dedicated record and play heads will deliver better performance. It’s not just a matter of being able to calibrate during recording – although that is very essential of course. The specific issues I pointed out are very valid. Actually, Nakamichi themselves have done a good job of explaining the technical merits of the discrete 3 head approach in many of their product brochures. Head gap loss, hysteresis loss, saturation and contour effect etc is explained in a basic way that the average person can understand. Since 1980 I have owned more than 50 different cassette decks – from a wide range of manufacturers. Most have been 3 head designs but I have also owned some fine 2 head decks – including some from Nakamichi. Contrary to what you might expect the most flashy and feature filled deck I owned was probably a 2 head Teac. I think it was a V-95 (but it was a long time ago so I would need to check on that). I disagree that 3 head decks were a marketing ploy designed to somehow reap profits for manufacturers. On the contrary, the high end cassette deck market was never large enough to be highly profitable. Like most high end products, the TOTL decks were designed to gain the attention of hi-fi magazine reviewers and to raise the brand profile in the process. It’s the same today with TOTL amps, speakers etc. The concept of TOTL has always really been about brand marketing and positioning. The money is all made on the mass sales of low end products - that are claimed to contain some of the technology developed for the TOTL flagships. For the select few audiophiles – such as myself, the TOTL 3 head cassette decks did fulfil the requirement of being able to faithfully copy a new vinyl pressing for daily playback, allowing the LP to be stored and preserved as a long term master. I still own several Cassette Decks today including a Luxman K-03, Aiwa ADF-990, Nakamichi LX-5, Nakamichi 700ZXL, Yamaha K2000, and a rare Teac Z-7000. I try to keep them all in perfect working order and give them a run from time to time, but in the main they don’t get much play time these days and their presence in the (large) audio cabinet is more for the aesthetics as well as my daily reminder of a bygone ‘analogue’ era where everyone seemed to care far more about quality than simply profit. The quality of popular music is a very good case in point. It must confuse many young people today when they hear an album that was made 30 - 40 years ago and it sounds so much better than any modern popular album. For me, my TT and cassette decks are a reminder of that period when music producers and engineers sought to refine their arts, when popular artists would take upwards of 6 months in a recording studio to get their album perfect, and where record companies paid for the finest session musicians around to augment their artists’ albums. Music was definitely art back then. Today, recordings are obviously easy to make. The artist goes into the studio (room), the technician pushes the sliders on the console all the way to maximum and a computer generates all the instruments and sounds the artists needs – without the need to pay for a single musician. A few days later and the album is released for download - in a compressed digital format of course. It’s sad to say it but when it comes to music, It’s actually good to be old. Cheers, David From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Mechner Sent: Wednesday, 8 June 2011 1:04 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] 3 heads vs 2 heads I would rather look at this from a different angle. The advantage in terms of a three head design is “Saving time”. Should I say more? How come and why? Both have adjustable BIAS and this again only makes sense if you use a lot of different tapes and target the absolute. As of how different the two heads are (the recording and the play back head of the 3 head setup), I would like to see some manufacture issued documents stating and explaining that. Going back to the simpler version (MR2), I noticed a few steps according to my experience, done in the right direction: 1. Eliminating all unnecessary hardware for a much simpler cleaner more reliable and better sounding design. 2. They kept a 3 head design to target the high end consumer market for the sole purpose of maximizing return and keeping the idea alive that a good deck has to be stuffed with dials and buttons and adjustments just to make consumers believe they are also some kind of recording engineers and because they had to feel some kick after spending a whole bunch of dough… Later on the market shifted away from recreating the tracks at home, the systems begun to be more and more simple and of course more reliable and better sounding. While back in the ‘80th you had lots of dials on your amps, build in radio receivers and vinyl changer (See Dual), Today in that class you are going to find an amplifier with only “Volume” button, Turntables at insane prices where you get a motor, a piece of wood and a non automatic arm and a simple as a child can design, armrest. In terms of sound: AMAZING!!! What does this tell? I would also take a look into another direction, namely production location and what models have been produced where. While having in later times the new factory in Thailand for the CR’s and DR’s, they kept the professional line MR1 and MR2 in Japan. I know out of my other hobby (photography) that my D700 is produced in Japan while my wife’s D300 in Taiwan. These are questions which simplify a lot the answers. Before going into the gaps between heads and why they decided to have a larger or a narrower gap, there is the REALITY; the one, only the manufacturer knows. Have you done reverse engineering on the heads to come up with a solid and forensic proven fact? I assume, not. Also in an ideal world which you can forget about, the Dragon might be one of the fanciest toys in the cassette world, but not even those tanks where meant by the manufacturer to last forever with no maintenance. Wear appears and the fancy independent driven capstans start to fail, transforming it into a metal box with buttons. Adrian From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Moore, David L Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2011 11:03 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] 3 heads vs 2 heads “Let’s take for instance the MR 1 or 2. This line is PRO grade; the MR1 is a 3 head and the MR2 is a 2 head. For those believing that a 2 head is bad for recording, I must say they are very wrong. I don’t know how it’s build in terms of components, but the MR2 records superbly; I would say even better then entry level 3 head setups like the CR3. Don’t ask why because I don’t know the answer.” There are many excellent 2 head decks but there are necessary compromises in terms of head design. A narrow head gap is very desirable for a playback head – for extended HF response, but record heads need to have a wider gap for optimum linearity and bias current. There is also the issue of optimum impedance. Nakamichi obviously took the 3 head approach a step further by physically separating the record and play heads. I don’t want to fuel a debate on 2 head vs 3 head, but from a technical standpoint, a well designed discrete head (3 head) deck will offer much better performance than any 2 head deck. Cheers David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tbnast at isomedia.com Thu Jun 9 06:01:55 2011 From: tbnast at isomedia.com (Thomas B. Nast) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2011 21:01:55 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Takeup problem on MR-1 Message-ID: <4DF045B3.9060000@isomedia.com> For any who may research this forum in the future, I want to report my findings. Those who suggested this is a defective reel motor were correct. I robbed a reel motor from a donor machine (and that motor had been replaced once!) and that took care of the take-up problem. Both motors used gears instead of the rubber "tire" drive, so no issue there. It has been pointed out that the transport does not need to be removed to replace the reel motor, but I haven't figured out how to do that. Pulling the whole transport isn't that difficult, at least I find it easier than dealing with tiny screws in confined quarters. Professionals will have better methods than we amateurs can attain. An iatrogenic problem cropped up, however. Although the replacement reel motor worked, after rewinding the right hub would spill an inch or two of tape. Not a show-stopper, but annoying. Apart came the transport one last time. Underneath the reel motor is a whitish plastic piece the manual calls a brake assembly. It has two arms, each of which has a silicone-ish sleeve, which presumably presses on the bottom of the appropriate reel assembly for braking. The sleeve was missing on the right side. I robbed a replacement from the donor deck, and that fixed the problem. A number of cassettes have been transcribed using this deck over the last couple of weeks, and it's sweet. A lot sweeter than my D5. Thanks to all for help and support. Now, on to the 680! Th.B. Nast > Problem: When a tape is played about halfway (or less) through, the > takeup reel stops taking up and the loose tape detector then stops the > transport. > > Details: the hubs are powered through gears, not the failure-prone > tire. Rewind and FF work fine (about 6.6v at the hub motor), which > makes me think the hub motor is OK (but I am not a Nak expert). Voltage > to the hub motor is ~3.3v to 3.4v during play. It seems as if the > voltage increases a bit as the tape plays through, yet I can't identify > any feedback loop for the hub motor on the schematic (again, I'm just an > amateur). Reel stoppage is quickly followed by transport disengagement, > but it seems as if the hub motor is only receiving ~2.0v prior to > disengagement. With the tape door closed but without a tape inserted, > the takeup hub spins strongly, even when loaded by pinching with fingers. From David.Moore at team.telstra.com Thu Jun 9 06:07:15 2011 From: David.Moore at team.telstra.com (Moore, David L) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 14:07:15 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] 3 heads vs 2 heads In-Reply-To: <406687.46282.qm@web130104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <6A809DE3D3D91C4DA371BE6FC0954CE74A3492229F@WSMSG3101V.srv.dir.telstra.com> <406687.46282.qm@web130104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6A809DE3D3D91C4DA371BE6FC0954CE74A3499DB45@WSMSG3101V.srv.dir.telstra.com> Ron Interesting points. I was thinking of issues such as self magnetisation and the need for periodic demagnetisation. Also, the composite RP head with wide gap will require less azimuth trim over time, and is not subject to R-P azimuth error due to warping of the head shell over time. That said, I don’t fully agree with your points about reliability. BJT or FET switching of the head to the R or P amps is really very reliable and far more reliable than the mechanical head assembly with rollers and rubber belts etc. I cannot recall needing to replace many logic IC’s in any decks I have owned, but perhaps I’ve just been lucky. In terms of SQ, FET switching is usually very transparent, particularly if the op-amps used are low Z out and high Z in. I would regard the composite head itself as being more influential on sound quality than a switching matrix. In general it’s been my experience that 3 head decks do need more long term maintenance and repair. Reasons for this are not specifically due to the assembly or heads but more to do with the calibration facilities that are usually provided. Nearly every 3 head deck I have owned has needed maintenance of the calibration ccts or reference oscillators. We also expect higher performance from our 3 head decks and a bit like a performance motor vehicle that usually means more servicing. Cheers, David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Thu Jun 9 11:08:04 2011 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 02:08:04 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 Belt Changing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Dan, 1. Just slip it on. 2. Clean the tracks on both the control motor pulley and the large pulley the drives the cam. 3. At your option. Most techs would replace these as well. 4. Yes. This is more difficult. Regarding (4), one useful test is to measure the takeup torque using a torque-meter. When the idler has deteriorated, torque is much reduced, often to as little as 10 gm-cm. Moreover, the torque will display a great deal of instantaneous variance. This will slightly degrade the wow-and-flutter figure. Additionally, fast wind will be impaired. This will be especially noticeable on tapes with internal reel damping, such as TDK SA-X. Replacing the idler tire is a delicate operation. Do your homework before attempting this. A drop of light machine oil on the capstan bearing is useful. Be sure to wipe off all excess. Clean the pinch rollers to remove dead rubber and oxide buildup. We often treat the pinch rollers with rubber rejuvenator. Some may object to this practice. We have found it highly useful on a broad spectrum of tape machines. Treat all switches and controls on the frontpanel that are involved in signal processing with Caig DeoxIT D-5. I caution against overspray. The chemical must be introduced into the switch or control from the rear, not through the frontpanel as a few online idiots suggest. Demagnetize the heads. Do your homework before attempting this. Fred Owner Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Sadler Dan wrote: > On recommendations from this forum, I ordered and have received a > replacement belt kit from my LX-3 from Marrs Communication and wanted to > consult the group before installing them. The only belt that is broken in > the LX-3 is the control motor belt (square profile). > > 1. Can I just slip the new control motor belt on or does the cam drive gear > need to be in a particular orientation? > 2. Do I need to clean the surfaces of the gear(s) with alcohol before > installing the belt? > 3. Should I go ahead and replace the capstan belt and counter belt at the > same time? > 4. An idler tire was included with the belts, but I see from the forum that > installation is not trivial. How can I tell if I need to replace the idler > tire? > 5. Anything else to consider such as lubrication or cleaning? > > Any other hints or suggestions are appreciated. > > Thanks for the help, > Dan > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 9 14:40:32 2011 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 05:40:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] dual-voltage part question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <437272.91802.qm@web112711.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi, The switch being present in the rear of any Nak deck depends upon whenand where it was purchased. Models for  North America after the 600 deck  deck did not have a switch because of Underwriters Lb requirements in the USA. Models sold in the UK alone did not have the switch either due to their electrical requirements. Modles sold in the rest of the world have had this switch and I have several decks that have it and some that dont, even in the same model. Th CR7A/E does not have this switch,  However, the deck sold as a CR7( with no siffix) does have this mutli voltage switch. This is the only series whee one can read the model number and say if the deck was compatible with multi voltage. Hope this clears some things up. I have posted from my knowledge and if corrections are due please do correct me. Ram. --- On Wed, 6/8/11, Sean Reid wrote: From: Sean Reid Subject: [naktalk] dual-voltage part question To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, June 8, 2011, 8:03 PM hi all, just wondering if there is such an animal as a dual volatge switch for nak decks that will allow it to operate on japanese & north american voltages (100-120) or japanese & UK voltages (100-240). i've seen the North American/UK dual voltage switch on a Nak deck ( I have one on one of my Dragons) but do not know if the others even exist. additionally, are these switches interchangeable between deck models, or are the deck-specific (again, if they even do exist). looking forward to your answers on this subject,Sean -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mrm12000 at cableone.net Thu Jun 9 19:46:48 2011 From: mrm12000 at cableone.net (mrm12000 at cableone.net) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 10:46:48 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Technics SP-15 turntable for sale Message-ID: <49486.1307641608@cableone.net> All this discussion of LP archiving reminds me that I have a turntable for sale. It's a Technics SP-15 -- a very high-quality drive-drive model with oversized platter. This drive mechanism was sold separately, and that's how I have it, without tonearm. It was recently serviced and works perfectly at all speeds. A reprint of the manual is included. I'll consider all offers. Pictures available upon request. Send your questions and requests off the list. ---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net From ronami at yahoo.com Thu Jun 9 17:14:07 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 08:14:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 3 heads vs 2 heads In-Reply-To: <6A809DE3D3D91C4DA371BE6FC0954CE74A3499DB45@WSMSG3101V.srv.dir.telstra.com> Message-ID: <147730.66339.qm@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > I was thinking of issues such as self magnetisation and the need for periodic > demagnetisation. Not much of an issue to anyone I know. Trivial, considering 3 head advantages. > BJT or FET switching of the head to the R or P amps is really very reliable Agreed, but vintage decks use mechanical contacts on a complex multi-pole Rec/PB switch, that is unreliable and quite difficult to diagnose and/or service. BX-100 class decks use a relay -- better, but not by much (I''ve replaced quite a few). I ran an audio business for years and that was my experience at the time. YMMV. -- Ron --- On Thu, 6/9/11, Moore, David L wrote: From: Moore, David L Subject: RE: [naktalk] 3 heads vs 2 heads To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, June 9, 2011, 12:07 AM Ron   Interesting points. I was thinking of issues such as self magnetisation and the need for periodic demagnetisation. Also, the composite RP head with wide gap will require less azimuth trim over time, and is not subject to R-P azimuth error due to warping of the head shell over time.   That said, I don’t fully agree with your points about reliability. BJT or FET switching of the head to the R or P amps is really very reliable and far more reliable than the mechanical head assembly with rollers and rubber belts etc. I cannot recall needing to replace many logic IC’s in any decks I have owned, but perhaps I’ve just been lucky. In terms of SQ, FET switching is usually very transparent, particularly if the op-amps used are low Z out and high Z in. I would regard the composite head itself as being more influential on sound quality than a switching matrix. In general it’s been my experience that 3 head decks do need more long term maintenance and repair. Reasons for this are not specifically due to the assembly or heads but more to do with the calibration facilities that are usually provided.  Nearly every 3 head deck I have owned has needed maintenance of the calibration ccts or reference oscillators. We also expect higher performance from our 3 head decks and a bit like a performance motor vehicle that usually means more servicing.     Cheers, David           -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Thu Jun 9 17:48:53 2011 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 08:48:53 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] dual-voltage part question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dual voltage units have more than just a switch on the back panel. The switch selects how the primary windings on the power transformer are configured. The US only models have only a single primary winding on the power transformer so to make them dual voltage one must replace that transformer with the dual winding version. There was never any retro kit available to the best of my knowledge but there is a forum member who has had a replacement power transformer made for some models. Adding the switch would be a project but not impossible if that transformer would work in your deck. Willy On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 5:03 PM, Sean Reid wrote: > hi all, > > just wondering if there is such an animal as a dual volatge switch for nak > decks that will allow it to operate on japanese & north american voltages > (100-120) or japanese & UK voltages (100-240). > > i've seen the North American/UK dual voltage switch on a Nak deck ( I have > one on one of my Dragons) but do not know if the others even exist. > > additionally, are these switches interchangeable between deck models, or > are the deck-specific (again, if they even do exist). > > looking forward to your answers on this subject, > Sean > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sadler at hawaii.edu Thu Jun 9 21:05:27 2011 From: sadler at hawaii.edu (Sadler Dan) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 09:05:27 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 Belt Changing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <254A9EB5-A747-4E95-8C50-E643F16E4B1B@hawaii.edu> Thank you, Fred, I appreciate your suggestions. Regarding the idler tire, as I don't have a torque meter, it sounds like fast wind performance is my best indicator. I think I'll replace all the belts first along with your cleaning and lube suggestions then see how things work and leave the idler tire until needed. One question, where might I find the DeoxIT for sale? Radio Shack, Home Depot? Again, thanks for the help, Dan On Jun 8, 2011, at 11:08 PM, Fred Longworth wrote: > Hi Dan, > > 1. Just slip it on. > 2. Clean the tracks on both the control motor pulley and the large pulley the drives the cam. > 3. At your option. Most techs would replace these as well. > 4. Yes. This is more difficult. > > Regarding (4), one useful test is to measure the takeup torque using a torque-meter. When the idler has deteriorated, torque is much reduced, often to as little as 10 gm-cm. Moreover, the torque will display a great deal of instantaneous variance. This will slightly degrade the wow-and-flutter figure. Additionally, fast wind will be impaired. This will be especially noticeable on tapes with internal reel damping, such as TDK SA-X. > > Replacing the idler tire is a delicate operation. Do your homework before attempting this. > > A drop of light machine oil on the capstan bearing is useful. Be sure to wipe off all excess. > > Clean the pinch rollers to remove dead rubber and oxide buildup. We often treat the pinch rollers with rubber rejuvenator. Some may object to this practice. We have found it highly useful on a broad spectrum of tape machines. > > Treat all switches and controls on the frontpanel that are involved in signal processing with Caig DeoxIT D-5. I caution against overspray. The chemical must be introduced into the switch or control from the rear, not through the frontpanel as a few online idiots suggest. > > Demagnetize the heads. Do your homework before attempting this. > > Fred > Owner > Classic Audio Repair > www.repairaudio.com > > * * * * * > > On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Sadler Dan wrote: > On recommendations from this forum, I ordered and have received a replacement belt kit from my LX-3 from Marrs Communication and wanted to consult the group before installing them. The only belt that is broken in the LX-3 is the control motor belt (square profile). > > 1. Can I just slip the new control motor belt on or does the cam drive gear need to be in a particular orientation? > 2. Do I need to clean the surfaces of the gear(s) with alcohol before installing the belt? > 3. Should I go ahead and replace the capstan belt and counter belt at the same time? > 4. An idler tire was included with the belts, but I see from the forum that installation is not trivial. How can I tell if I need to replace the idler tire? > 5. 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URL: From juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com Thu Jun 9 21:21:57 2011 From: juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com (Julie Kessler) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 14:21:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck Advice sought In-Reply-To: References: <1102014706-1307479551-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1429708606-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry> <1319.10013.qm@web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Christian, I did the proper thing and got both! The B&O 9000 and the Nakamichi 550 have two really different sounds, and I think the build quality is similar. My new-old B&O was rebuilt by a B&O repair station, so it's in pretty good shape. I think the 9000 sounds wonderful with metal tape, but has a really strong coloration compared to the 550 with chrome tapes and sounds dull with normal tapes. Sometimes the coloration is awesome, sometimes it's just weird. The B&O's autocalibrate is great but not being able to see the tape is awkward. It plays my Nak 550 tapes perfectly, to my surprise. The 9000's wow & flutter is really good too, a little better than the 550, as good as the studio's Nak 680zx but not as good as the Revox B710 Mk. II; you hear the differences on piano mainly. The B&O 9000's microphone inputs are awful, though, especially compared to the Nak 550. And I don't like the sound of the 9000's headphone jack at all. It makes my cassettes sound like an iPod! That's just so wrong! Oh, and I don't like the meters either. They're really pretty but its hard to get levels right. Another oddity is the B&O's Dolby B sounds dull but the Dolby C is clean and airy, and makes tapes sound more open and clearer. The B&O really needs a limiter because you know when you hit overload ... you go from clean to fuzzbox in the snap of a finger, unlike my Nak 550! I like the 9000, so for now I'm good to go but eventually I want something even better. On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 7:03 AM, Christian Thomas wrote: > Julie, > > Did you buy the 9000 or did you just get the flip flops? If so what do you > think of the sound? Maybe we could do our restorations in parallel. > > Incidentally I'm not sure I agree about the build quality. There's > certainly a lot of thought in the design and the quality of the components > looks good. It's rather dated in style and I'm sure that even then they > could have had a fibreglass PCB (and I'm not sure about one or two of the > tacked in components hovering above the board) but mostly it looks OK to me. > A Walkman Pro looks far worse inside. > > Best wishes > > -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered http://www.kvglabs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spacepup at hotmail.com Thu Jun 9 22:12:42 2011 From: spacepup at hotmail.com (Sean Reid) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 16:12:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] dual-voltage part question In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: hey willy, i was pretty sure there was a lot more to it than a switch LOL just that it was an indicator that the deck was set up to run on either voltage. i guess i'll have to seriously think about whether i want to hang on to the two Japanese Nak decks I have then.. external step up/down transformers seem to cost a ridiculous amount versus ones that convert between US/UK voltage... thanks for the info :) sean Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 08:48:53 -0700 Subject: Re: [naktalk] dual-voltage part question From: willy at willyhermannservices.com To: naktalk at naks.com Dual voltage units have more than just a switch on the back panel. The switch selects how the primary windings on the power transformer are configured. The US only models have only a single primary winding on the power transformer so to make them dual voltage one must replace that transformer with the dual winding version. There was never any retro kit available to the best of my knowledge but there is a forum member who has had a replacement power transformer made for some models. Adding the switch would be a project but not impossible if that transformer would work in your deck. Willy On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 5:03 PM, Sean Reid wrote: hi all, just wondering if there is such an animal as a dual volatge switch for nak decks that will allow it to operate on japanese & north american voltages (100-120) or japanese & UK voltages (100-240). i've seen the North American/UK dual voltage switch on a Nak deck ( I have one on one of my Dragons) but do not know if the others even exist. additionally, are these switches interchangeable between deck models, or are the deck-specific (again, if they even do exist). looking forward to your answers on this subject,Sean ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Thu Jun 9 23:05:14 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 11:05:14 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 Belt Changing In-Reply-To: <254A9EB5-A747-4E95-8C50-E643F16E4B1B@hawaii.edu> References: <254A9EB5-A747-4E95-8C50-E643F16E4B1B@hawaii.edu> Message-ID: Hi Dan, For the tire take a close look at the new tire's "tread" and "sidewall". See how they are nice and flat and smooth? That's how the tire in your machine should look. It should also ride nice and flat on the "tread" of the tire. If it is rounded on the edges and doesn't ride flat then you probably need a new tire. Then take a good light and look at the condition of the rubber compound itself. Does your old tire look dried out? Cracked? Discolored? If so, clean it and treat it and see if it looks "heathy" after that. If not then replace it. It's kind of like a tire on a car. If it's got its proper tread (but deck tires are slicks), the sidewalls are in good condition, air pressure is correct, and the rubber isn't all dried out and cracked then you are good. I was able to get Caig Deoxit at Radio Shack here in Hawaii. Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Sadler Dan Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 9:05 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-3 Belt Changing Thank you, Fred, I appreciate your suggestions. Regarding the idler tire, as I don't have a torque meter, it sounds like fast wind performance is my best indicator. I think I'll replace all the belts first along with your cleaning and lube suggestions then see how things work and leave the idler tire until needed. One question, where might I find the DeoxIT for sale? Radio Shack, Home Depot? Again, thanks for the help, Dan On Jun 8, 2011, at 11:08 PM, Fred Longworth wrote: Hi Dan, 1. Just slip it on. 2. Clean the tracks on both the control motor pulley and the large pulley the drives the cam. 3. At your option. Most techs would replace these as well. 4. Yes. This is more difficult. Regarding (4), one useful test is to measure the takeup torque using a torque-meter. When the idler has deteriorated, torque is much reduced, often to as little as 10 gm-cm. Moreover, the torque will display a great deal of instantaneous variance. This will slightly degrade the wow-and-flutter figure. Additionally, fast wind will be impaired. This will be especially noticeable on tapes with internal reel damping, such as TDK SA-X. Replacing the idler tire is a delicate operation. Do your homework before attempting this. A drop of light machine oil on the capstan bearing is useful. Be sure to wipe off all excess. Clean the pinch rollers to remove dead rubber and oxide buildup. We often treat the pinch rollers with rubber rejuvenator. Some may object to this practice. We have found it highly useful on a broad spectrum of tape machines. Treat all switches and controls on the frontpanel that are involved in signal processing with Caig DeoxIT D-5. I caution against overspray. The chemical must be introduced into the switch or control from the rear, not through the frontpanel as a few online idiots suggest. Demagnetize the heads. Do your homework before attempting this. Fred Owner Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Sadler Dan wrote: On recommendations from this forum, I ordered and have received a replacement belt kit from my LX-3 from Marrs Communication and wanted to consult the group before installing them. The only belt that is broken in the LX-3 is the control motor belt (square profile). 1. Can I just slip the new control motor belt on or does the cam drive gear need to be in a particular orientation? 2. Do I need to clean the surfaces of the gear(s) with alcohol before installing the belt? 3. Should I go ahead and replace the capstan belt and counter belt at the same time? 4. An idler tire was included with the belts, but I see from the forum that installation is not trivial. How can I tell if I need to replace the idler tire? 5. Anything else to consider such as lubrication or cleaning? Any other hints or suggestions are appreciated. Thanks for the help, Dan ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmlevitz at yahoo.com Thu Jun 9 23:46:35 2011 From: jmlevitz at yahoo.com (jayson levitz) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 14:46:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 Belt Changing In-Reply-To: <254A9EB5-A747-4E95-8C50-E643F16E4B1B@hawaii.edu> References: <254A9EB5-A747-4E95-8C50-E643F16E4B1B@hawaii.edu> Message-ID: <748167.52241.qm@web161908.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Dan, you can find DeoxIT at Radio Shack, like I did. Jayson  ________________________________ From: Sadler Dan To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thu, June 9, 2011 3:05:27 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-3 Belt Changing Thank you, Fred, I appreciate your suggestions.  Regarding the idler tire, as I don't have a torque meter, it sounds like fast wind performance is my best indicator.  I think I'll replace all the belts first along with your cleaning and lube suggestions then see how things work and leave the idler tire until needed. One question, where might I find the DeoxIT for sale?  Radio Shack, Home Depot? Again, thanks for the help, Dan On Jun 8, 2011, at 11:08 PM, Fred Longworth wrote: Hi Dan, > >1. Just slip it on. >2. Clean the tracks on both the control motor pulley and the large pulley the >drives the cam. >3. At your option. Most techs would replace these as well. >4. Yes. This is more difficult. > >Regarding (4), one useful test is to measure the takeup torque using a >torque-meter. When the idler has deteriorated, torque is much reduced, often to >as little as 10 gm-cm. Moreover, the torque will display a great deal of >instantaneous variance. This will slightly degrade the wow-and-flutter figure. >Additionally, fast wind will be impaired. This will be especially noticeable on >tapes with internal reel damping, such as TDK SA-X. > >Replacing the idler tire is a delicate operation. Do your homework before >attempting this. > >A drop of light machine oil on the capstan bearing is useful. Be sure to wipe >off all excess. > >Clean the pinch rollers to remove dead rubber and oxide buildup. We often treat >the pinch rollers with rubber rejuvenator. Some may object to this practice. We >have found it highly useful on a broad spectrum of tape machines. > >Treat all switches and controls on the frontpanel that are involved in signal >processing with Caig DeoxIT D-5. I caution against overspray. The chemical must >be introduced into the switch or control from the rear, not through the >frontpanel as a few online idiots suggest. > >Demagnetize the heads. Do your homework before attempting this. > >Fred >Owner >Classic Audio Repair >www.repairaudio.com > >* * * * * > > >On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Sadler Dan wrote: > >On recommendations from this forum, I  ordered and have received a replacement >belt kit from my LX-3 from Marrs Communication and wanted to consult the group >before installing them.  The only belt that is broken in the LX-3 is the control >motor belt (square profile). >> >>1. Can I just slip the new control motor belt on or does the cam drive gear need >>to be in a particular orientation? >>2. Do I need to clean the surfaces of the gear(s) with alcohol before installing >>the belt? >>3. Should I go ahead and replace the capstan belt and counter belt at the same >>time? >>4. An idler tire was included with the belts, but I see from the forum that >>installation is not trivial. How can I tell if I need to replace the idler tire? >>5. 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URL: From ct.waveform at googlemail.com Thu Jun 9 23:56:23 2011 From: ct.waveform at googlemail.com (Christian Thomas) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 22:56:23 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck Advice sought In-Reply-To: References: <1102014706-1307479551-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1429708606-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry> <1319.10013.qm@web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Julie, I'm going to hand all of my judgements over to you. How does anyone manage to get the time to know this that and the other and still post replies? Who else, apart from me, would like to marry Julie Kessler? I happen to be momentarily single so are there any other suitors out there who make a claim before me? (Try all you like, lads, but I'm English and in girl-language that is the trump card.) Hope Julie thinks so too. Best wishes to y'all Christian On 9 June 2011 20:21, Julie Kessler wrote: > Hi Christian, > > I did the proper thing and got both! > > The B&O 9000 and the Nakamichi 550 have two really different sounds, and I > think the build quality is similar. My new-old B&O was rebuilt by a B&O > repair station, so it's in pretty good shape. > > I think the 9000 sounds wonderful with metal tape, but has a really strong > coloration compared to the 550 with chrome tapes and sounds dull with normal > tapes. Sometimes the coloration is awesome, sometimes it's just weird. The > B&O's autocalibrate is great but not being able to see the tape is awkward. > It plays my Nak 550 tapes perfectly, to my surprise. The 9000's wow & > flutter is really good too, a little better than the 550, as good as the > studio's Nak 680zx but not as good as the Revox B710 Mk. II; you hear the > differences on piano mainly. > > The B&O 9000's microphone inputs are awful, though, especially compared to > the Nak 550. > > And I don't like the sound of the 9000's headphone jack at all. It makes my > cassettes sound like an iPod! That's just so wrong! > > Oh, and I don't like the meters either. They're really pretty but its hard > to get levels right. > > Another oddity is the B&O's Dolby B sounds dull but the Dolby C is clean > and airy, and makes tapes sound more open and clearer. > > The B&O really needs a limiter because you know when you hit overload ... > you go from clean to fuzzbox in the snap of a finger, unlike my Nak 550! > > I like the 9000, so for now I'm good to go but eventually I want something > even better. > > > On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 7:03 AM, Christian Thomas < > ct.waveform at googlemail.com> wrote: > >> Julie, >> >> Did you buy the 9000 or did you just get the flip flops? If so what do >> you think of the sound? Maybe we could do our restorations in parallel. >> >> Incidentally I'm not sure I agree about the build quality. There's >> certainly a lot of thought in the design and the quality of the components >> looks good. It's rather dated in style and I'm sure that even then they >> could have had a fibreglass PCB (and I'm not sure about one or two of the >> tacked in components hovering above the board) but mostly it looks OK to me. >> A Walkman Pro looks far worse inside. >> >> Best wishes >> >> -- Julie Kessler > juliek at kvglabs.com > Artist Development Executive > KVG Laboratories > I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered > http://www.kvglabs.com > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Jun 10 01:40:44 2011 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (Ram) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 19:40:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck Advice sought In-Reply-To: References: <1102014706-1307479551-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1429708606-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry> <1319.10013.qm@web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Julie, To me, it seems your BO needs serious calibration. However, even a fully calibrated 9000 will come no where near high end, heck, even middle end Naks like the 600 and the 600 II. If you seriously want a great sounding deck buy a Dragon or a 1000ZXL and have them serviced by Willy or ESL depending upon your affordability. It's will be the last deck you buy and the only deck you use. Ram On Jun 9, 2011, at 3:21 PM, Julie Kessler wrote: > Hi Christian, > > I did the proper thing and got both! > > The B&O 9000 and the Nakamichi 550 have two really different sounds, and I think the build quality is similar. My new-old B&O was rebuilt by a B&O repair station, so it's in pretty good shape. > > I think the 9000 sounds wonderful with metal tape, but has a really strong coloration compared to the 550 with chrome tapes and sounds dull with normal tapes. Sometimes the coloration is awesome, sometimes it's just weird. The B&O's autocalibrate is great but not being able to see the tape is awkward. It plays my Nak 550 tapes perfectly, to my surprise. The 9000's wow & flutter is really good too, a little better than the 550, as good as the studio's Nak 680zx but not as good as the Revox B710 Mk. II; you hear the differences on piano mainly. > > The B&O 9000's microphone inputs are awful, though, especially compared to the Nak 550. > > And I don't like the sound of the 9000's headphone jack at all. It makes my cassettes sound like an iPod! That's just so wrong! > > Oh, and I don't like the meters either. They're really pretty but its hard to get levels right. > > Another oddity is the B&O's Dolby B sounds dull but the Dolby C is clean and airy, and makes tapes sound more open and clearer. > > The B&O really needs a limiter because you know when you hit overload ... you go from clean to fuzzbox in the snap of a finger, unlike my Nak 550! > > I like the 9000, so for now I'm good to go but eventually I want something even better. > > > On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 7:03 AM, Christian Thomas wrote: > Julie, > > Did you buy the 9000 or did you just get the flip flops? If so what do you think of the sound? Maybe we could do our restorations in parallel. > > Incidentally I'm not sure I agree about the build quality. There's certainly a lot of thought in the design and the quality of the components looks good. It's rather dated in style and I'm sure that even then they could have had a fibreglass PCB (and I'm not sure about one or two of the tacked in components hovering above the board) but mostly it looks OK to me. A Walkman Pro looks far worse inside. > > Best wishes > > -- Julie Kessler > juliek at kvglabs.com > Artist Development Executive > KVG Laboratories > I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered > http://www.kvglabs.com > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Fri Jun 10 08:06:20 2011 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 23:06:20 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 Belt Changing In-Reply-To: <254A9EB5-A747-4E95-8C50-E643F16E4B1B@hawaii.edu> References: <254A9EB5-A747-4E95-8C50-E643F16E4B1B@hawaii.edu> Message-ID: Caig DeoxIT D-5 is the specific formulation. It's available at Guitar Center, Dan. It restores touchy switches and noisy controls better than any other chemical. For "tough jobs" where the oxidation is very deep, Caig DeoxIT Gold should be used. The Gold also has the wonderful property of much higher dielectric resistance. This means it can be used to treat selector switches in tube amplifiers where voltages are present on the switch contacts of the INPUT SELECTOR as high as 350-500vdc. (Traditional contact restorers often arc!) Note that I use the terms "treat" and "restore." This class of chemicals is often referred to as a "cleaner." The way it works is not actually cleaning. There is only limited removal of debris, in that the chemical does not "wash out" the switch or control. In any case, dust is not the actual substance that is being dealt with -- it's *oxidation. *Caig formulations contain a strong de-oxidant, a lubricant, and a something to prevent (for a time) a recurrence of the oxidation. You might find it interesting that for a time the California Bureau of Electronic & Appliance Repair actually *cited*repair shops that wrote "cleaned switches and controls" on their service invoices. Truly a classic case of government regulation gone wild. I mean, who really cares other than some field agent trying to get his numbers up? Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Sadler Dan wrote: > Thank you, Fred, > > I appreciate your suggestions. Regarding the idler tire, as I don't have a > torque meter, it sounds like fast wind performance is my best indicator. I > think I'll replace all the belts first along with your cleaning and lube > suggestions then see how things work and leave the idler tire until needed. > > One question, where might I find the DeoxIT for sale? Radio Shack, Home > Depot? > > Again, thanks for the help, > Dan > > On Jun 8, 2011, at 11:08 PM, Fred Longworth wrote: > > Hi Dan, > > 1. Just slip it on. > 2. Clean the tracks on both the control motor pulley and the large pulley > the drives the cam. > 3. At your option. Most techs would replace these as well. > 4. Yes. This is more difficult. > > Regarding (4), one useful test is to measure the takeup torque using a > torque-meter. When the idler has deteriorated, torque is much reduced, often > to as little as 10 gm-cm. Moreover, the torque will display a great deal of > instantaneous variance. This will slightly degrade the wow-and-flutter > figure. Additionally, fast wind will be impaired. This will be especially > noticeable on tapes with internal reel damping, such as TDK SA-X. > > Replacing the idler tire is a delicate operation. Do your homework before > attempting this. > > A drop of light machine oil on the capstan bearing is useful. Be sure to > wipe off all excess. > > Clean the pinch rollers to remove dead rubber and oxide buildup. We often > treat the pinch rollers with rubber rejuvenator. Some may object to this > practice. We have found it highly useful on a broad spectrum of tape > machines. > > Treat all switches and controls on the frontpanel that are involved in > signal processing with Caig DeoxIT D-5. I caution against overspray. The > chemical must be introduced into the switch or control from the rear, not > through the frontpanel as a few online idiots suggest. > > Demagnetize the heads. Do your homework before attempting this. > > Fred > Owner > Classic Audio Repair > www.repairaudio.com > > * * * * * > > On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Sadler Dan wrote: > >> On recommendations from this forum, I ordered and have received a >> replacement belt kit from my LX-3 from Marrs Communication and wanted to >> consult the group before installing them. The only belt that is broken in >> the LX-3 is the control motor belt (square profile). >> >> 1. Can I just slip the new control motor belt on or does the cam drive >> gear need to be in a particular orientation? >> 2. Do I need to clean the surfaces of the gear(s) with alcohol before >> installing the belt? >> 3. Should I go ahead and replace the capstan belt and counter belt at the >> same time? >> 4. An idler tire was included with the belts, but I see from the forum >> that installation is not trivial. How can I tell if I need to replace the >> idler tire? >> 5. 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URL: From chartz at club-internet.fr Fri Jun 10 14:06:55 2011 From: chartz at club-internet.fr (Jacques Frantz) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 14:06:55 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck Advice sought In-Reply-To: References: <1102014706-1307479551-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1429708606-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry> <1319.10013.qm@web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <93F7DB6E-2594-4A67-B1CC-81F9E72DBAB1@club-internet.fr> Hi Julie and Christian, My Beocord 9000 doesn't suffer the problems you describe. I think that like any old tape deck (or hi-fi component for that matter) it really needs new capacitors and a complete re-alignment, as per the service manual. The microprocessor has code which will appear on the display to facilitate this. Very well thought out you will see. Whatever tape I feed it will calibrate properly (yes, even that old first gen. (1970) Philips BASF tape!). You don't have to adjust the level, just do the auto-cal routine and set the level to 0dB (just an indication really, not the real 0dB!) and it will record to its maximum admissible level. Depending on tape, it will return values under the (real) 0 dB level (Fe or bad Cr) or right up to the maximum and beyond (good Metal tape). And the calibration process is independent for both channels. But then of course, this will only work with a fully serviced unit! And the MIC input problem may also be down to worn capacitors! My Beocord 9000 gives the (both mint and sounding really great) CR-4 and superb Revox A77 a lesson or two. And by the way, Nakamichi have never stuck to the original IEC and DIN norms; B&O (and Revox) machines did. For what it's worth. Jacques jacques at chartz.fr (\__/) (='.'=) (")_(") -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adrian at mechner.net Sat Jun 11 08:51:16 2011 From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 23:51:16 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] =?utf-8?q?Anyone_who_owns_a_AIWA_F_660_=E2=80=93_F990!?= =?utf-8?q?!!?= In-Reply-To: References: <1102014706-1307479551-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1429708606-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry> <1319.10013.qm@web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004801cc2803$f6521850$e2f648f0$@net> Anyone who owns a AIWA F 660 – F990!!! Here is a donor, it’s mine actually. Don’t have time nor nervs to put into it: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=280693927717&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT This is the first step of starting up the major klee up action Next step will be the Naks (CR3A + MR2B) Adrian From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ram Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 4:41 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Deck Advice sought Julie, To me, it seems your BO needs serious calibration. However, even a fully calibrated 9000 will come no where near high end, heck, even middle end Naks like the 600 and the 600 II. If you seriously want a great sounding deck buy a Dragon or a 1000ZXL and have them serviced by Willy or ESL depending upon your affordability. It's will be the last deck you buy and the only deck you use. Ram == -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Don’t have time nor nervs to put into > it: > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280693927717&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT > > > > This is the first step of starting up the major klee up action > > Next step will be the Naks (CR3A + MR2B) > > > > Adrian > > > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *Ram > *Sent:* Thursday, June 09, 2011 4:41 PM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Cassette Deck Advice sought > > > > Julie, > > > > To me, it seems your BO needs serious calibration. However, even a fully > calibrated 9000 will come no where near high end, heck, even middle end Naks > like the 600 and the 600 II. > > > > If you seriously want a great sounding deck buy a Dragon or a 1000ZXL and > have them serviced by Willy or ESL depending upon your affordability. It's > will be the last deck you buy and the only deck you use. > > > > Ram > > > > == > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Fergus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Jun 11 13:44:25 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 04:44:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] dual-voltage part question In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <22205.28095.qm@web160615.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hi Sean, The transformer for these models had taps on their primary windings which were coupled to this switch. The switch of course was at the back which allowed one to 'select' their power voltage by turning this switch using a flat screw-driver. This model was sold as the International model. However, this switch was deemed a safety hazard by some safety agencies due to it being connected directly to the mains, which is why pure 110v or 220v models were produced for certain markets. One school of thought is that such additional transformers add reactance to the primary side of the transformer. But because, this is a low current application (as opposed to say a power amp), you would require a transformer with a small VA. Thus this should not create any adverse situations. If the deck is particularly in mint condition, I would suggest keep the innards original as possible. Good step-ups can be had for a reasonable amount - avoid spending on brand names but avoid cheap ones of dubious built quality. Regards Bala ________________________________ From: Sean Reid To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Fri, June 10, 2011 6:12:42 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] dual-voltage part question hey willy, i was pretty sure there was a lot more to it than a switch LOL just that it was an indicator that the deck was set up to run on either voltage. i guess i'll have to seriously think about whether i want to hang on to the two Japanese Nak decks I have then.. external step up/down transformers seem to cost a ridiculous amount versus ones that convert between US/UK voltage... thanks for the info :) sean ________________________________ Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 08:48:53 -0700 Subject: Re: [naktalk] dual-voltage part question From: willy at willyhermannservices.com To: naktalk at naks.com Dual voltage units have more than just a switch on the back panel. The switch selects how the primary windings on the power transformer are configured. The US only models have only a single primary winding on the power transformer so to make them dual voltage one must replace that transformer with the dual winding version. There was never any retro kit available to the best of my knowledge but there is a forum member who has had a replacement power transformer made for some models. Adding the switch would be a project but not impossible if that transformer would work in your deck. Willy On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 5:03 PM, Sean Reid wrote: hi all, > > >just wondering if there is such an animal as a dual volatge switch for nak decks >that will allow it to operate on japanese & north american voltages (100-120) or >japanese & UK voltages (100-240). > > >i've seen the North American/UK dual voltage switch on a Nak deck ( I have one >on one of my Dragons) but do not know if the others even exist. > > >additionally, are these switches interchangeable between deck models, or are the >deck-specific (again, if they even do exist). > > >looking forward to your answers on this subject, >Sean >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com Sun Jun 12 05:02:56 2011 From: juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com (Julie Kessler) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 22:02:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck Advice sought In-Reply-To: <93F7DB6E-2594-4A67-B1CC-81F9E72DBAB1@club-internet.fr> References: <1102014706-1307479551-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1429708606-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry> <1319.10013.qm@web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <93F7DB6E-2594-4A67-B1CC-81F9E72DBAB1@club-internet.fr> Message-ID: Hi Jacques, Thanks for the great message! I took the Beocord 9000 back to the shop I bought it from and told them that a B&O expert told me that is needs to be aligned, needs new capacitors, and that it doesn't sound right. He started off saying they'd already serviced it and I didn't know what i was doing, so I had to do the hysterical blonde act right there in the middle of a crowded store. They couldn't take it away fast enough, just to shut me up! They said to come get it in a week so we'll see if it is any different or they're just trying to pull a fast one. On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 7:06 AM, Jacques Frantz wrote: > Hi Julie and Christian, > > My Beocord 9000 doesn't suffer the problems you describe. > > I think that like any old tape deck (or hi-fi component for that matter) *it > really needs new capacitors* and a *complete re-alignment*, as per the > service manual. The microprocessor has code which will appear on the display > to facilitate this. Very well thought out you will see. > > Whatever tape I feed it will calibrate properly (yes, even that old first > gen. (1970) Philips BASF tape!). You don't have to adjust the level, just do > the auto-cal routine and set the level to 0dB (just an indication really, > not the real 0dB!) and it will record to its maximum admissible level. > Depending on tape, it will return values under the (real) 0 dB level (Fe or > bad Cr) or right up to the maximum and beyond (good Metal tape). > > And the calibration process is independent for both channels. > But then of course,* this will only work with a fully serviced unit!* > > And the MIC input problem may also be down to worn capacitors! > > My Beocord 9000 gives the (both mint and sounding really great) CR-4 and > superb Revox A77 a lesson or two. And by the way, Nakamichi have never stuck > to the original IEC and DIN norms; B&O (and Revox) machines did. > > For what it's worth. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com Sun Jun 12 05:15:37 2011 From: juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com (Julie Kessler) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 22:15:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck Advice sought In-Reply-To: References: <1102014706-1307479551-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1429708606-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry> <1319.10013.qm@web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Christian, Just got back from a day hike and am having serious email and telephone withdrawal! On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 4:56 PM, Christian Thomas wrote: > Julie, > > I'm going to hand all of my judgements over to you. How does anyone > manage to get the time to know this that and the other and still post > replies? > > Oh no, no, no ... please don't hand your judgments me, I could be wrong (and often am wrong)! It's just my really limited experience and opinions talking! You're smart enough to figure it all out for yourself too, and you'll have way for more fun that way! (And you'll get me in trouble too, albeit good-naturedly!) The first things we were taught is: if you want to get ahead in the music business, you have to eat, drink, sleep, dream the work -- then learn as much as you can everywhere you can. I'm just really, really lucky to be able to learn from 3 awesome engineers and to be able to access all sorts of great equipment, not just Nakamichi decks. The next thing we were taught is 1.: Never state your opinions as facts. 2.: Never state your experience as The Only Way or The Best Way. 3. There is no Best Way. 4. No matter how great the expert, get more opinions. Take no one's word as absolute. > Who else, apart from me, would like to marry Julie Kessler? I happen to be > momentarily single so are there any other suitors out there who make a claim > before me? (Try all you like, lads, but I'm English and in girl-language > that is the trump card.) > > Hope Julie thinks so too. > > Hey, I'm supposed to be the one blowing the guys' minds, but you've blown my mind. I'm speechless, really. Wow. That's really sweet! Best wishes to y'all > > Christian > > > -- -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! Individually Custom Engineered http://www.kvglabs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gregorybotha at me.com Sun Jun 12 14:49:40 2011 From: gregorybotha at me.com (Gregory Botha) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 14:49:40 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700-ZXE Cassette Transport Rebuild Message-ID: <65FD9236-875C-4166-A3DF-766FD6739D2D@me.com> Hi All, I've been after a Nakamichi 700-ZXE locally here in South Africa, which was bought by the original owner 30 years (I already own a 700-ZXL). I know that this deck was serviced up until about 5 years ago. I've tried on and off to buy it over the years. The owner finally decided to sell it to me, although there was a problem playing tapes. On closer inspection I found the pitch rollers and heads looked like they needed a good clean (and I mean a really gooood cleaaaan), the electronics seem to work well. I already had a new set of belts bought from Marrs Communication for the 700-ZXL, but it didn't need them, so I had parts ready to install in the 700-ZXE. A project for the weekend then. I removed the transport and replaced all the belts and idler tyre. The idle tyre was worn out and causing the forward reel not to turn in play mode even though it could still fast forward and rewind. Now with everything cleaned and new belts installed it works like a bomb. Have a look here for close up pictures of the transport, for anyone interested http://www.flickr.com/photos/42434267 at N02/sets/72157626936967386/ I have some of those setup tapes bought from eBay for Nakamichi decks and set the Azimuth properly. The playback levels all seem good so I didn't make any adjustments there. The deck is now singing along to tapes made a few years back. It just shows how important the transport maintenance is for solid playback performance. The 700-ZXL and 700-ZXE are truly great performers and I think underrated compared to a 1000-ZXL. Cheers, Greg From chartz at club-internet.fr Sun Jun 12 16:09:49 2011 From: chartz at club-internet.fr (Jacques Frantz) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 16:09:49 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck Advice sought In-Reply-To: References: <1102014706-1307479551-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1429708606-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry> <1319.10013.qm@web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <93F7DB6E-2594-4A67-B1CC-81F9E72DBAB1@club-internet.fr> Message-ID: <15B478AD-E552-4F32-B694-4FE0F517FC35@club-internet.fr> Hi, Here's an interesting read: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Beocord_9000-Service_Manual-version2.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 1632850 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- Let's hope they are capable enough to re-align it. They absolutely need the service manual! Tell them! Good luck. Jacques jacques at chartz.fr (\__/) (='.'=) (")_(") From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 13 03:10:39 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 11:10:39 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700-ZXE Cassette Transport Rebuild In-Reply-To: <65FD9236-875C-4166-A3DF-766FD6739D2D@me.com> References: <65FD9236-875C-4166-A3DF-766FD6739D2D@me.com> Message-ID: <7ED6B55B-5A8E-47D9-8E2D-77D8AFE70B0B@yahoo.com> Hi Greg , You are right about the 700s being underrated. They pack very good performance. For the 700zxl, it shares quite a bit on the playback side and ramm system with it's more expensive cousin. design wise, the 700s look still in style today. Minimalist with well thought out aesthetics. Enjoy! Bala Sent from my iPhone On Jun 12, 2011, at 22:49, Gregory Botha wrote: > Hi All, > > I've been after a Nakamichi 700-ZXE locally here in South Africa, which was bought by the original owner 30 years (I already own a 700-ZXL). I know that this deck was serviced up until about 5 years ago. I've tried on and off to buy it over the years. The owner finally decided to sell it to me, although there was a problem playing tapes. On closer inspection I found the pitch rollers and heads looked like they needed a good clean (and I mean a really gooood cleaaaan), the electronics seem to work well. I already had a new set of belts bought from Marrs Communication for the 700-ZXL, but it didn't need them, so I had parts ready to install in the 700-ZXE. > > A project for the weekend then. I removed the transport and replaced all the belts and idler tyre. The idle tyre was worn out and causing the forward reel not to turn in play mode even though it could still fast forward and rewind. Now with everything cleaned and new belts installed it works like a bomb. > > Have a look here for close up pictures of the transport, for anyone interested http://www.flickr.com/photos/42434267 at N02/sets/72157626936967386/ > > I have some of those setup tapes bought from eBay for Nakamichi decks and set the Azimuth properly. The playback levels all seem good so I didn't make any adjustments there. The deck is now singing along to tapes made a few years back. It just shows how important the transport maintenance is for solid playback performance. The 700-ZXL and 700-ZXE are truly great performers and I think underrated compared to a 1000-ZXL. > > Cheers, > > Greg > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From lenaw at flash.net Mon Jun 13 04:19:12 2011 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 19:19:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck Advice sought In-Reply-To: <15B478AD-E552-4F32-B694-4FE0F517FC35@club-internet.fr> References: <1102014706-1307479551-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1429708606-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry> <1319.10013.qm@web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <93F7DB6E-2594-4A67-B1CC-81F9E72DBAB1@club-internet.fr> <15B478AD-E552-4F32-B694-4FE0F517FC35@club-internet.fr> Message-ID: <902228.57863.qm@web80204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Also the BeoCord 9000 comes with a copy of the Azimuth Calibration Tape which is recorded on a TDK MA-R tape as well as a non-magnetic screwdriver. This has been described inside the document below attached by Jacques. This accessory is almost next to impossible to find. When properly serviced the playback of this deck rivals some of the best cassette decks in the world ( based on my own listening, not represents others' opinions ). Good Luck, Mike ________________________________ From: Jacques Frantz To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sun, June 12, 2011 9:09:49 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Deck Advice sought Hi, Here's an interesting read: Let's hope they are capable enough to re-align it. They absolutely need the service manual! Tell them! Good luck. Jacques jacques at chartz.fr (\__/) (='.'=) (")_(") -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Mon Jun 13 04:54:08 2011 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 19:54:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 100, Issue 15 In-Reply-To: <201106130200.p5D1poIK014574@zxe.naks.com> References: <201106130200.p5D1poIK014574@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <96349.3832.qm@web120707.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Back in the day, when I thought I'd never score a decent Nak, I bought a Aiwa AD-F810 from Lee Hazen. It was a deck (one of many) used by a cassette bootlegger who was trumped by the advent of CD's. Lee bought all his decks and offered them 'as is' or cleaned by him. Intrigued, I bought an 'as is' with take down and cleaning instructions. Feeling rather victorious after cleaning the deck as per instructions, the deck was not recording properly-especially things like piano. Turned out the motor and heads were pretty much toast from wear/use and the motor especially, was giving ferocious W&F. Sent it to a tech eventually; new motor and Teac heads. Nice enough sounding deck, but it lies in the shadow of my Naks.:-( Wished I didn't have it now, but I'm not giving it away. Somewhat similar story with a Pioneer CT-F900....sans the bootlegger' part.;-) Moral is probably that; decks of mediocre quality like these should go to the landfill. If there were young adults interested in the medium, I would love to go that direction........good luck with your Aiwa, but I can tell you where it should probably go..... Kevin ____________________________________________________________________________________________________ Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 12:04:37 +0100 From: Fergus Cullen Subject: Re: [naktalk] Anyone who owns a AIWA F 660 ? F990!!! To: adrian at mechner.net, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" I seem to recall there was a turntable which was made to go with this cassette player. Anyone know what model it was? It looked similar. On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 7:51 AM, Adrian Mechner wrote: > Anyone who owns a AIWA F 660 – F990!!! > > > > Here is a donor, it’s mine actually. Don’t have time nor nervs to put into > it: > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280693927717&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT >T > > > > This is the first step of starting up the major klee up action > > Next step will be the Naks (CR3A + MR2B) > > > > Adrian > ________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adrian at mechner.net Mon Jun 13 14:36:49 2011 From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 05:36:49 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 100, Issue 15 In-Reply-To: <96349.3832.qm@web120707.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <201106130200.p5D1poIK014574@zxe.naks.com> <96349.3832.qm@web120707.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <012001cc29c6$9162b390$b4281ab0$@net> There is some golden advice in this message. 1.) Worn out AIWAs don’t record the piano well and 2.) There is a dude out there, called Lee Hazen, who sells bad decks to suckers If you think I’m interested in making a buck with a broken deck, that’s your problem; I am rather willing to make someone happy with some parts. Your comment was indeed golden. My free advice would be: stay away from that dude who fooled you! :) Adrian From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Fetner Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 7:54 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 100, Issue 15 Back in the day, when I thought I'd never score a decent Nak, I bought a Aiwa AD-F810 from Lee Hazen. It was a deck (one of many) used by a cassette bootlegger who was trumped by the advent of CD's. Lee bought all his decks and offered them 'as is' or cleaned by him. Intrigued, I bought an 'as is' with take down and cleaning instructions. Feeling rather victorious after cleaning the deck as per instructions, the deck was not recording properly-especially things like piano. Turned out the motor and heads were pretty much toast from wear/use and the motor especially, was giving ferocious W&F. Sent it to a tech eventually; new motor and Teac heads. Nice enough sounding deck, but it lies in the shadow of my Naks.:-( Wished I didn't have it now, but I'm not giving it away. Somewhat similar story with a Pioneer CT-F900....sans the bootlegger' part.;-) Moral is probably that; decks of mediocre quality like these should go to the landfill. If there were young adults interested in the medium, I would love to go that direction........good luck with your Aiwa, but I can tell you where it should probably go..... Kevin ____________________________________________________________________________________________________ Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 12:04:37 +0100 From: Fergus Cullen < fergus.cullen at gmail.com> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Anyone who owns a AIWA F 660 ? F990!!! To: adrian at mechner.net, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: < BANLkTimjfvyCuO5whsUfg9d-Z1WFauRVrg at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" I seem to recall there was a turntable which was made to go with this cassette player. Anyone know what model it was? It looked similar. On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 7:51 AM, Adrian Mechner wrote: > Anyone who owns a AIWA F 660 – F990!!! > > > > Here is a donor, it’s mine actually. Don’t have time nor nervs to put into > it: > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280693927717&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT > > > > This is the first step of starting up the major klee up action > > Next step will be the Naks (CR3A + MR2B) > > > > Adrian > _____ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 13 15:43:19 2011 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 06:43:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 100, Issue 15 In-Reply-To: <96349.3832.qm@web120707.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <266966.21259.qm@web112701.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I do tend to agree 100% with Kevin here, having tried, a Teac Z 7000, Revox B215, Studer A721, Tandberg 3014A, AlpineAL90 and other lesser decks( you name it, I've tried it!) side by side with the Nakamichis', and the Naks did blow out the entire horde of other decks out of the ball park. No contest. Ram. --- On Sun, 6/12/11, Kevin Fetner wrote: From: Kevin Fetner Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 100, Issue 15 To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sunday, June 12, 2011, 10:54 PM Back in the day, when I thought I'd never score a decent Nak, I bought a Aiwa AD-F810 from Lee Hazen. It was a deck (one of many) used by a cassette bootlegger who was trumped by the advent of CD's. Lee bought all his decks and offered them 'as is' or cleaned by him. Intrigued, I bought an 'as is' with take down and cleaning instructions.  Feeling rather victorious after cleaning the deck as per instructions, the deck was not recording properly-especially things like piano. Turned out the motor and heads were pretty much toast from wear/use and the motor especially, was giving ferocious W&F. Sent it to a tech eventually; new motor and Teac heads. Nice enough sounding deck, but it lies in the shadow of my Naks.:-( Wished I didn't have it now, but I'm not giving it away.  Somewhat similar story with a Pioneer CT-F900....sans the bootlegger' part.;-) Moral is probably that; decks of mediocre quality like these should go to the landfill. If there were young adults interested in the medium, I would love to go that direction........good luck with your Aiwa, but I can tell you where it should probably go..... Kevin   ____________________________________________________________________________________________________ Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 12:04:37 +0100 From: Fergus Cullen Subject: Re: [naktalk] Anyone who owns a AIWA F 660 ? F990!!! To: adrian at mechner.net, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks     Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" I seem to recall there was a turntable which was made to go with this cassette player. Anyone know what model it was? It looked similar. On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 7:51 AM, Adrian Mechner wrote: > Anyone who owns a AIWA F 660 – F990!!! > > > > Here is a donor, it’s mine actually. Don’t have time nor nervs to put into > it: > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280693927717&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT > > > > This is the first step of starting up the major klee up action > > Next step will be the Naks (CR3A + MR2B) > > > > Adrian > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cjohn16 at hotmail.com Mon Jun 13 15:53:09 2011 From: cjohn16 at hotmail.com (Christopher John) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 23:53:09 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Dragon belt replacement Message-ID: Hello everyone,This is my first post on any audio website, so please excuse my ignorance, and accept apologies if this has been covered elsewhere. (Just point me in the right direction). I have a belt replacement question for a Dragon. My tech has successfully recently replaced belts on my ZX-7 and ZX-9, but has two hard-to-get-to belts to go on the Dragon. He is near retirement age and is not particularly web savvy. So to save his time I am asking on his behalf. The belts in question are numbers 14 and 15 in fig. 5.5 on p 17 of the Service Manual, the cam motor belt and the counter belt B. My tech has taken off the Flywheel Holder Assembly, but was reluctant to go further in case there was calibration to do that proved impossible. Nothing in the manual that we could find seemed to help. I don't have the mechanism with me but remember that one belt was perhaps replaceable without much further disassembly, while the other was very buried. The question boils down to what to be aware of when getting under the Take-up and Supply Flywheel Sub Assemblies. Looking forward to any helpful suggestions. It is such a magnificent thing, and this is its first service. I would like to get it as correct as possible. Kind regards, Christopher -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 13 15:57:57 2011 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 06:57:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700-ZXE Cassette Transport Rebuild In-Reply-To: <65FD9236-875C-4166-A3DF-766FD6739D2D@me.com> Message-ID: <400088.36491.qm@web112709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> HI Greg, Enjoy your 700ZXE. Its a great sounding deck. In fact, playback wise its ditto to the 700ZXL deck. However, when you play a1000ZXL side by side to the 700 (ZXL/ZXE) the differences in playback are readily evident.The bass rolls off in the 700 series decks to the point of sounding a bit trebly( to me). Recordings on the 1000ZXL also blows other decks including the 700 series away. These attributes might be the cause of the underrating of the 700 decks in the marketplace. Ram. --- On Sun, 6/12/11, Gregory Botha wrote: From: Gregory Botha Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700-ZXE Cassette Transport Rebuild To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sunday, June 12, 2011, 8:49 AM Hi All, I've been after a Nakamichi 700-ZXE locally here in South Africa, which was bought by the original owner 30 years (I already own a 700-ZXL). I know that this deck was serviced up until about 5 years ago. I've tried on and off to buy it over the years. The owner finally decided to sell it to me, although there was a problem playing tapes. On closer inspection I found the pitch rollers and heads looked like they needed a good clean (and I mean a really gooood cleaaaan), the electronics seem to work well. I already had a new set of belts bought from Marrs Communication for the 700-ZXL, but it didn't need them, so I had parts ready to install in the 700-ZXE. A project for the weekend then. I removed the transport and replaced all the belts and idler tyre. The idle tyre was worn out and causing the forward reel not to turn in play mode even though it could still fast forward and rewind. Now with everything cleaned and new belts installed it works like a bomb. Have a look here for close up pictures of the transport, for anyone interested http://www.flickr.com/photos/42434267 at N02/sets/72157626936967386/ I have some of those setup tapes bought from eBay for Nakamichi decks and set the Azimuth properly. The playback levels all seem good so I didn't make any adjustments there. The deck is now singing along to tapes made a few years back. It just shows how important the transport maintenance is for solid playback performance. The 700-ZXL and 700-ZXE are truly great performers and I think underrated compared to a 1000-ZXL. Cheers, Greg ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Mon Jun 13 17:31:37 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 08:31:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck Advice sought In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <735036.21862.qm@web130110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> LOL... I can think of several reason to marry, none of which involves a Nak deck. -- Ron --- On Thu, 6/9/11, Christian Thomas wrote: From: Christian Thomas Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Deck Advice sought To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, June 9, 2011, 5:56 PM Julie,  I'm going to hand all of my judgements over to you.  How does anyone manage to get the time to know this that and the other and still post replies?   Who else, apart from me, would like to marry Julie Kessler?  I happen to be momentarily single so are there any other suitors out there who make a claim before me?  (Try all you like, lads, but I'm English and in girl-language that is the trump card.) Hope Julie thinks so too. Best wishes to y'all Christian On 9 June 2011 20:21, Julie Kessler wrote: Hi Christian, I did the proper thing and got both! The B&O 9000 and the Nakamichi 550 have two really different sounds, and I think the build quality is similar. My new-old B&O was rebuilt by a B&O repair station, so it's in pretty good shape. I think the 9000 sounds wonderful with metal tape, but has a really strong coloration compared to the 550 with chrome tapes and sounds dull with normal tapes. Sometimes the coloration is awesome, sometimes it's just weird. The B&O's autocalibrate is great but not being able to see the tape is awkward. It plays my Nak 550 tapes perfectly, to my surprise. The 9000's wow & flutter is really good too, a little better than the 550, as good as the studio's Nak 680zx but not as good as the Revox B710 Mk. II; you hear the differences on piano mainly. The B&O 9000's microphone inputs are awful, though, especially compared to the Nak 550. And I don't like the sound of the 9000's headphone jack at all. It makes my cassettes sound like an iPod! That's just so wrong! Oh, and I don't like the meters either. They're really pretty but its hard to get levels right. Another oddity is the B&O's Dolby B sounds dull but the Dolby C is clean and airy, and makes tapes sound more open and clearer.  The B&O really needs a limiter because you know when you hit overload ... you go from clean to fuzzbox in the snap of a finger, unlike my Nak 550! I like the 9000, so for now I'm good to go but eventually I want something even better. On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 7:03 AM, Christian Thomas wrote: Julie, Did you buy the 9000 or did you just get the flip flops?  If so what do you think of the sound?  Maybe we could do our restorations in parallel.   Incidentally I'm not sure I agree about the build quality.  There's certainly a lot of thought in the design and the quality of the components looks good.  It's rather dated in style and I'm sure that even then they could have had a fibreglass PCB (and I'm not sure about one or two of the tacked in components hovering above the board) but mostly it looks OK to me.  A Walkman Pro looks far worse inside. Best wishes -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! 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URL: From mark8559 at hotmail.com Mon Jun 13 20:03:49 2011 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 12:03:49 -0600 Subject: FW: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 100, Issue 15 In-Reply-To: <96349.3832.qm@web120707.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <201106130200.p5D1poIK014574@zxe.naks.com>, <96349.3832.qm@web120707.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I bought an Aiwa ADF-810 3-head deck brand new when they were closing out the model back in January 1995 for $210 from J&R in New York. My comments are it's not a nice enough sounding deck. The unit makes excellent recordings, but on playback the music is thin. Playing tapes back on a Nak BX-2, RX-202, 480, 500, 600, and LX-3 two head decks, the music was more involving. Of my 1,200 cassette collection, I still have 100-200 cassetttes which were recorded on the ADF-810. It's simply an excellent recording unit! Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 19:54:08 -0700 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 100, Issue 15 Back in the day, when I thought I'd never score a decent Nak, I bought a Aiwa AD-F810 from Lee Hazen. It was a deck (one of many) used by a cassette bootlegger who was trumped by the advent of CD's. Lee bought all his decks and offered them 'as is' or cleaned by him. Intrigued, I bought an 'as is' with take down and cleaning instructions. Feeling rather victorious after cleaning the deck as per instructions, the deck was not recording properly-especially things like piano. Turned out the motor and heads were pretty much toast from wear/use and the motor especially, was giving ferocious W&F. Sent it to a tech eventually; new motor and Teac heads. Nice enough sounding deck, but it lies in the shadow of my Naks.:-( Wished I didn't have it now, but I'm not giving it away. Somewhat similar story with a Pioneer CT-F900....sans the bootlegger' part.;-) Moral is probably that; decks of mediocre quality like these should go to the landfill. If there were young adults interested in the medium, I would love to go that direction........good luck with your Aiwa, but I can tell you where it should probably go..... Kevin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 14 11:20:38 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 02:20:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 100, Issue 15 In-Reply-To: <96349.3832.qm@web120707.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <201106130200.p5D1poIK014574@zxe.naks.com> <96349.3832.qm@web120707.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <124622.4252.qm@web160604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hi Kevin, The Aiwa AD-F series has been part of my household since my young years. Many cassette decks and Naks later, the AD-F is still part of the line-up. After listening to what cassettes can achieve with a Nak, one might wonder why then did the other manufacturers even bothered. I one day sat down to work on a Technics RS-95M and admired the serious amount of engineering and built quality of this deck. That evening I sat down to listen and was simply amazed at the sound. To put it simply, its like driving an sports car of a different era. It has it all that the Naks had, but something that differed: flavor. The presentation and tone was something very different. The same can be said of the AD-F series, as well the as tank-like AD-6700 and AD-6900. Beautiful decks that made cassettes sound so different and exciting. Till today, the number of people playing tapes are split midway between Naks and non-Naks. And many Nakkers still have regular trysts with decks from other manufacturers. The AD-F990 , in particular, is a stunning piece of engineering. It packed all the features of the CR-7 excluding playback azimuth control. It had automatic Dolby encoding where it recorded signals on the tape that allowed the deck to automatically change to the type of NR it used. Advanced tape and real time counters, auto-calibration system, auto-record level adjustment, even a built in head demagnetizer! Then there are the lovely bar-graph meters made so famous on the 680s and 1000ZXLs..but the most amazing part is the sound. A very warm but clean, wide and open soundstage that lacked just a little on the bass. The treble didn't have all the sheen and the shine, but here was a deck that you could listen to all day and night, and still would be the first thing you turn on the next morning. I have lived with this deck since 1983, and lived with many other decks. But if this deck, and the cousins (like the Excelia) lived next to a 1000ZXL instead of a tip, you can be sure there's a pretty good reason why. Cheers! Bala ________________________________ From: Kevin Fetner To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Mon, June 13, 2011 12:54:08 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 100, Issue 15 Back in the day, when I thought I'd never score a decent Nak, I bought a Aiwa AD-F810 from Lee Hazen. It was a deck (one of many) used by a cassette bootlegger who was trumped by the advent of CD's. Lee bought all his decks and offered them 'as is' or cleaned by him. Intrigued, I bought an 'as is' with take down and cleaning instructions. Feeling rather victorious after cleaning the deck as per instructions, the deck was not recording properly-especially things like piano. Turned out the motor and heads were pretty much toast from wear/use and the motor especially, was giving ferocious W&F. Sent it to a tech eventually; new motor and Teac heads. Nice enough sounding deck, but it lies in the shadow of my Naks.:-( Wished I didn't have it now, but I'm not giving it away. Somewhat similar story with a Pioneer CT-F900....sans the bootlegger' part.;-) Moral is probably that; decks of mediocre quality like these should go to the landfill. If there were young adults interested in the medium, I would love to go that direction........good luck with your Aiwa, but I can tell you where it should probably go..... Kevin ____________________________________________________________________________________________________ Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 12:04:37 +0100 From: Fergus Cullen Subject: Re: [naktalk] Anyone who owns a AIWA F 660 ? F990!!! To: adrian at mechner.net, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" I seem to recall there was a turntable which was made to go with this cassette player. Anyone know what model it was? It looked similar. On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 7:51 AM, Adrian Mechner wrote: > Anyone who owns a AIWA F 660 – F990!!! > > > > Here is a donor, it’s mine actually. Don’t have time nor nervs to put into > it: > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280693927717&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT >T > > > > This is the first step of starting up the major klee up action > > Next step will be the Naks (CR3A + MR2B) > > > > Adrian > ________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Tue Jun 14 15:46:25 2011 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 06:46:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Lee Hazen In-Reply-To: <201106141132.p5EBNGNt020149@zxe.naks.com> References: <201106141132.p5EBNGNt020149@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <132938.3419.qm@web120718.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Actually Adrian, Lee Hazen is a musician and well thought of EE in the audio community...this is why I threw his name out there. People I have told this story to about Lee are aghast, or think I'm making it up. People who really know Lee, heard about his 'bootlegger' decks and were even offered the decks by Lee. Lee has since had a debilitating stroke and is in a long recovery. This was my only dealing with him, but the tech I used to repair the Aiwa deck knew him well. He also was in disbelief that the deck was worn out and sold to me that way. So......to me anyway, Lee was kind of a bastard/character.;-) My greater point was that the Aiwa decks are nothing more than 'starter' decks. Kevin ________________________________ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 05:36:49 -0700 From: "Adrian Mechner" Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 100, Issue 15 To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Message-ID: <012001cc29c6$9162b390$b4281ab0$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" There is some golden advice in this message. 1.) Worn out AIWAs don’t record the piano well and 2.) There is a dude out there, called Lee Hazen, who sells bad decks to suckers If you think I’m interested in making a buck with a broken deck, that’s your problem; I am rather willing to make someone happy with some parts. Your comment was indeed golden. My free advice would be: stay away from that dude who fooled you! :) Adrian -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adrian at mechner.net Tue Jun 14 16:39:42 2011 From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 07:39:42 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 100, Issue 15 In-Reply-To: References: <201106130200.p5D1poIK014574@zxe.naks.com>, <96349.3832.qm@web120707.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <019101cc2aa0$e64ef550$b2ecdff0$@net> I hate to say it and it is for sure of no importance to anyone here but there are worlds between the f-810 and the F- 660, 770, 990 series. It's like comparing apples with pears. Adrian P.S. I do believe that your line up of decks sounded better, no wonder because the 810 is only a wanna be deck. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Mark Exstedt Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 11:04 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: FW: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 100, Issue 15 I bought an Aiwa ADF-810 3-head deck brand new when they were closing out the model back in January 1995 for $210 from J&R in New York. My comments are it's not a nice enough sounding deck. The unit makes excellent recordings, but on playback the music is thin. Playing tapes back on a Nak BX-2, RX-202, 480, 500, 600, and LX-3 two head decks, the music was more involving. Of my 1,200 cassette collection, I still have 100-200 cassetttes which were recorded on the ADF-810. It's simply an excellent recording unit! _____ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sadler at hawaii.edu Wed Jun 15 01:17:28 2011 From: sadler at hawaii.edu (Daniel Sadler) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 13:17:28 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 Belt Changing In-Reply-To: References: <254A9EB5-A747-4E95-8C50-E643F16E4B1B@hawaii.edu> Message-ID: Fred and Cheryl, Thanks for the information and advice on my LX-3 repair. Following the service manual (thanks to EBAMAN) I removed the transport assembly without major difficulty - though the connectors to the circuit boards were a little tighter than expected (I seem to remember that there might be a specific connector remover for this task). There was also a single black wire to the capstan motor that was soldered directly to the circuit board which I did not anticipate from the service manual. I might install a connector on it to facilitate future repairs. I did notice a few things that concerned me. First, the surfaces of the capstan flywheels that contact the capstan belt have small patches of corrosion and pitting where the belt makes contact. It is minimal compared to what I saw at: http://nakamichi700zxl.blogspot.com/ . Isopropyl alcohol and a plastic "scrubby" removed the dried bits of old belt but some of the corrosion remained. I was wondering how smooth these surfaces need to be and what cleaners/abrasives are OK to use as I don't want to damage the function of these parts in an attempt to make them look good. I also managed to get a bunch of dirt into the thrust bearing grease. The green grease was hardening near the base of the hemispherical bearing surface but still looked like it was working at the contact point. Anyway, because I had gotten dirt in it, I removed it completely before realizing it would have to be replaced. (Yes, my desire to fix things "right now" instead of "the right way" often gets me in trouble. I have some Diawa fishing reel grease that looks about the same consistency and color so was wondering if that is appropriate or if there is a recommended product I should use instead? A local hobby shop that specializes in RC cars and planes might have a variety of lubricants or maybe something from a bike shop? I also noticed that there is some play in between the thrust bearing screws and the flywheel. The service manual gives some confusing instructions on how to set this or should I just leave it alone? The idler tire passes all of Cheryl's criteria and looks much better than the pictures Greg recently posted of his 700 ZXE rebuild, though there are some wear marks on the plastic reels it contacts that might indicate slipping. As much as I want to get that new tire in there, I think I should see how it works with the old one before tackling this tricky job. There is a small amount of large particle dust on many surfaces that looks like degrading foam bits. Is there supposed to be a small piece of foam inside the lid arm spring that connects to the pneumatic damper ass'y or did something build a nest in there? Something inside the spring looks like like it is falling apart and I want to remove it. Maybe it is there to keep it from squeaking or give the control a better "feel"? Lastly, an unidentified washer fell out of the assembly while I was working on it and I can't figure out where it goes. It is a translucent plastic washer with the following dimensions: OD - 5/16" (7.94mm) ID - 3/32" (2.38mm) Thickness - 1.25/64" (0.50mm) I followed the LX-3 Service Manual Section 2: Removal Instructions to the letter from 2.1 thru 2.5 and then 2.14 Capstan Motor Ass'y and Flywheel Ass'y. Any ideas where this washer is supposed to go? Or did some previous/devious tech throw it in loose to confuse me? Again, thanks for all your help and advice. I'm really enjoying this little project and anticipating the day I get to hear the results. Dan On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 8:06 PM, Fred Longworth wrote: > Caig DeoxIT D-5 is the specific formulation. It's available at Guitar > Center, Dan. It restores touchy switches and noisy controls better than any > other chemical. For "tough jobs" where the oxidation is very deep, Caig > DeoxIT Gold should be used. > > The Gold also has the wonderful property of much higher dielectric > resistance. This means it can be used to treat selector switches in tube > amplifiers where voltages are present on the switch contacts of the INPUT > SELECTOR as high as 350-500vdc. (Traditional contact restorers often arc!) > > Note that I use the terms "treat" and "restore." This class of chemicals is > often referred to as a "cleaner." The way it works is not actually cleaning. > There is only limited removal of debris, in that the chemical does not "wash > out" the switch or control. In any case, dust is not the actual substance > that is being dealt with -- it's *oxidation. *Caig formulations contain a > strong de-oxidant, a lubricant, and a something to prevent (for a time) a > recurrence of the oxidation. You might find it interesting that for a time > the California Bureau of Electronic & Appliance Repair actually *cited*repair shops that wrote "cleaned switches and controls" on their service > invoices. Truly a classic case of government regulation gone wild. I mean, > who really cares other than some field agent trying to get his numbers up? > > Fred > > Classic Audio Repair > www.repairaudio.com > > * * * * * > > On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Sadler Dan wrote: > >> Thank you, Fred, >> >> I appreciate your suggestions. Regarding the idler tire, as I don't have >> a torque meter, it sounds like fast wind performance is my best indicator. >> I think I'll replace all the belts first along with your cleaning and lube >> suggestions then see how things work and leave the idler tire until needed. >> >> One question, where might I find the DeoxIT for sale? Radio Shack, Home >> Depot? >> >> Again, thanks for the help, >> Dan >> >> On Jun 8, 2011, at 11:08 PM, Fred Longworth wrote: >> >> Hi Dan, >> >> 1. Just slip it on. >> 2. Clean the tracks on both the control motor pulley and the large pulley >> the drives the cam. >> 3. At your option. Most techs would replace these as well. >> 4. Yes. This is more difficult. >> >> Regarding (4), one useful test is to measure the takeup torque using a >> torque-meter. When the idler has deteriorated, torque is much reduced, often >> to as little as 10 gm-cm. Moreover, the torque will display a great deal of >> instantaneous variance. This will slightly degrade the wow-and-flutter >> figure. Additionally, fast wind will be impaired. This will be especially >> noticeable on tapes with internal reel damping, such as TDK SA-X. >> >> Replacing the idler tire is a delicate operation. Do your homework before >> attempting this. >> >> A drop of light machine oil on the capstan bearing is useful. Be sure to >> wipe off all excess. >> >> Clean the pinch rollers to remove dead rubber and oxide buildup. We often >> treat the pinch rollers with rubber rejuvenator. Some may object to this >> practice. We have found it highly useful on a broad spectrum of tape >> machines. >> >> Treat all switches and controls on the frontpanel that are involved in >> signal processing with Caig DeoxIT D-5. I caution against overspray. The >> chemical must be introduced into the switch or control from the rear, not >> through the frontpanel as a few online idiots suggest. >> >> Demagnetize the heads. Do your homework before attempting this. >> >> Fred >> Owner >> Classic Audio Repair >> www.repairaudio.com >> >> * * * * * >> >> On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Sadler Dan wrote: >> >>> On recommendations from this forum, I ordered and have received a >>> replacement belt kit from my LX-3 from Marrs Communication and wanted to >>> consult the group before installing them. The only belt that is broken in >>> the LX-3 is the control motor belt (square profile). >>> >>> 1. Can I just slip the new control motor belt on or does the cam drive >>> gear need to be in a particular orientation? >>> 2. Do I need to clean the surfaces of the gear(s) with alcohol before >>> installing the belt? >>> 3. Should I go ahead and replace the capstan belt and counter belt at the >>> same time? >>> 4. An idler tire was included with the belts, but I see from the forum >>> that installation is not trivial. How can I tell if I need to replace the >>> idler tire? >>> 5. 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I can think of several reason to marry, none of which involves a Nak deck. -- Ron --- On Thu, 6/9/11, Christian Thomas wrote: From: Christian Thomas Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Deck Advice sought To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, June 9, 2011, 5:56 PM Julie, I'm going to hand all of my judgements over to you. How does anyone manage to get the time to know this that and the other and still post replies? Who else, apart from me, would like to marry Julie Kessler? I happen to be momentarily single so are there any other suitors out there who make a claim before me? (Try all you like, lads, but I'm English and in girl-language that is the trump card.) Hope Julie thinks so too. Best wishes to y'all Christian On 9 June 2011 20:21, Julie Kessler > wrote: Hi Christian, I did the proper thing and got both! The B&O 9000 and the Nakamichi 550 have two really different sounds, and I think the build quality is similar. My new-old B&O was rebuilt by a B&O repair station, so it's in pretty good shape. I think the 9000 sounds wonderful with metal tape, but has a really strong coloration compared to the 550 with chrome tapes and sounds dull with normal tapes. Sometimes the coloration is awesome, sometimes it's just weird. The B&O's autocalibrate is great but not being able to see the tape is awkward. It plays my Nak 550 tapes perfectly, to my surprise. The 9000's wow & flutter is really good too, a little better than the 550, as good as the studio's Nak 680zx but not as good as the Revox B710 Mk. II; you hear the differences on piano mainly. The B&O 9000's microphone inputs are awful, though, especially compared to the Nak 550. And I don't like the sound of the 9000's headphone jack at all. It makes my cassettes sound like an iPod! That's just so wrong! Oh, and I don't like the meters either. They're really pretty but its hard to get levels right. Another oddity is the B&O's Dolby B sounds dull but the Dolby C is clean and airy, and makes tapes sound more open and clearer. The B&O really needs a limiter because you know when you hit overload ... you go from clean to fuzzbox in the snap of a finger, unlike my Nak 550! I like the 9000, so for now I'm good to go but eventually I want something even better. On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 7:03 AM, Christian Thomas > wrote: Julie, Did you buy the 9000 or did you just get the flip flops? If so what do you think of the sound? Maybe we could do our restorations in parallel. Incidentally I'm not sure I agree about the build quality. There's certainly a lot of thought in the design and the quality of the components looks good. It's rather dated in style and I'm sure that even then they could have had a fibreglass PCB (and I'm not sure about one or two of the tacked in components hovering above the board) but mostly it looks OK to me. A Walkman Pro looks far worse inside. 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URL: From perry.nak at comcast.net Wed Jun 15 13:32:46 2011 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 11:32:46 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 repair Message-ID: <212499210-1308137567-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1109371946-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry> The translucent washer is the capstan oil retainer. There is also a smaller but same ID black washer that goes under it that is hopefully still stuck to the bearing where the capstans emerge near the pressure rollers. The other capstan has the same, but different hole. These keep the oil from the bearings from traveling down the capstan to the tape, and limit the amount of debris that can get to the bearing. Any light grease like for a reel is fine. I use Phonolube. Done touch the thrust screws. In general, they are fine where they are. The play is supposed to be there. The foam in the door release spring is supposed to be there. It keeps the spring from ringing. I use isopropyl alcohol to clean the flywheels. A drop og seeing machine oil on each bearing does wonders. Perry Esposito - From my phone From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Wed Jun 15 20:10:12 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 08:10:12 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 Belt Changing In-Reply-To: References: <254A9EB5-A747-4E95-8C50-E643F16E4B1B@hawaii.edu> Message-ID: Dan, The "old mechanic" in me says that the flywheels need to be smooth enough for the belt to grip without slipping. They also need to be free of rough areas that might abrade the belt. If it seems a little rough you might try some really fine bronze or steel wool to clean it up a bit. Someone correct me if that is a big no-no. But be sure to do the cleaning far away from the transport and the deck so that you don't get any of the very fine metal particles in places where they shouldn't be. Then be sure to remove every bit of the particles from the flywheels/capstans. I used sewing machine oil to lube my capstans. The original oil on my 581 and 582 was a lightweight oil -- not a grease. I put a tiny, tiny bit of oil where the capstans contact the bearings. Be careful not to get any on the capstans anywhere near where they contact the tape. After you insert the capstans, be sure to clean off the tape ends one more time just to make sure. If you extract them for any reason you will need to clean off the capstans agains since you will contaminate the tape ends whenever you extracft them. I think you have a houseguest in your spring. Hope he's friendly! Don't know about the washer -- don't remember seeing anything like that in mine. But I seem to recall something similar happened to someone else -- maybe that was the nut used as a spacer on a motor or something. Someone more knowledgable please speak up, but I don't think there should have been green grease on the bearings. Grease is fairly heavy and causes a certain amount of drag. It's better for heavy wear surfaces like auto wheel bearings, u-joints, etc. It seems that it might cause a wow & flutter problem. If I am correct about the grease, then it is likely that someone else tinkered with this deck. Maybe that was the source of the washer. Have fun! Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Sadler Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 1:17 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-3 Belt Changing Fred and Cheryl, Thanks for the information and advice on my LX-3 repair. Following the service manual (thanks to EBAMAN) I removed the transport assembly without major difficulty - though the connectors to the circuit boards were a little tighter than expected (I seem to remember that there might be a specific connector remover for this task). There was also a single black wire to the capstan motor that was soldered directly to the circuit board which I did not anticipate from the service manual. I might install a connector on it to facilitate future repairs. I did notice a few things that concerned me. First, the surfaces of the capstan flywheels that contact the capstan belt have small patches of corrosion and pitting where the belt makes contact. It is minimal compared to what I saw at: http://nakamichi700zxl.blogspot.com/ . Isopropyl alcohol and a plastic "scrubby" removed the dried bits of old belt but some of the corrosion remained. I was wondering how smooth these surfaces need to be and what cleaners/abrasives are OK to use as I don't want to damage the function of these parts in an attempt to make them look good. I also managed to get a bunch of dirt into the thrust bearing grease. The green grease was hardening near the base of the hemispherical bearing surface but still looked like it was working at the contact point. Anyway, because I had gotten dirt in it, I removed it completely before realizing it would have to be replaced. (Yes, my desire to fix things "right now" instead of "the right way" often gets me in trouble. I have some Diawa fishing reel grease that looks about the same consistency and color so was wondering if that is appropriate or if there is a recommended product I should use instead? A local hobby shop that specializes in RC cars and planes might have a variety of lubricants or maybe something from a bike shop? I also noticed that there is some play in between the thrust bearing screws and the flywheel. The service manual gives some confusing instructions on how to set this or should I just leave it alone? The idler tire passes all of Cheryl's criteria and looks much better than the pictures Greg recently posted of his 700 ZXE rebuild, though there are some wear marks on the plastic reels it contacts that might indicate slipping. As much as I want to get that new tire in there, I think I should see how it works with the old one before tackling this tricky job. There is a small amount of large particle dust on many surfaces that looks like degrading foam bits. Is there supposed to be a small piece of foam inside the lid arm spring that connects to the pneumatic damper ass'y or did something build a nest in there? Something inside the spring looks like like it is falling apart and I want to remove it. Maybe it is there to keep it from squeaking or give the control a better "feel"? Lastly, an unidentified washer fell out of the assembly while I was working on it and I can't figure out where it goes. It is a translucent plastic washer with the following dimensions: OD - 5/16" (7.94mm) ID - 3/32" (2.38mm) Thickness - 1.25/64" (0.50mm) I followed the LX-3 Service Manual Section 2: Removal Instructions to the letter from 2.1 thru 2.5 and then 2.14 Capstan Motor Ass'y and Flywheel Ass'y. Any ideas where this washer is supposed to go? Or did some previous/devious tech throw it in loose to confuse me? Again, thanks for all your help and advice. I'm really enjoying this little project and anticipating the day I get to hear the results. Dan On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 8:06 PM, Fred Longworth wrote: Caig DeoxIT D-5 is the specific formulation. It's available at Guitar Center, Dan. It restores touchy switches and noisy controls better than any other chemical. For "tough jobs" where the oxidation is very deep, Caig DeoxIT Gold should be used. The Gold also has the wonderful property of much higher dielectric resistance. This means it can be used to treat selector switches in tube amplifiers where voltages are present on the switch contacts of the INPUT SELECTOR as high as 350-500vdc. (Traditional contact restorers often arc!) Note that I use the terms "treat" and "restore." This class of chemicals is often referred to as a "cleaner." The way it works is not actually cleaning. There is only limited removal of debris, in that the chemical does not "wash out" the switch or control. In any case, dust is not the actual substance that is being dealt with -- it's oxidation. Caig formulations contain a strong de-oxidant, a lubricant, and a something to prevent (for a time) a recurrence of the oxidation. You might find it interesting that for a time the California Bureau of Electronic & Appliance Repair actually cited repair shops that wrote "cleaned switches and controls" on their service invoices. Truly a classic case of government regulation gone wild. I mean, who really cares other than some field agent trying to get his numbers up? Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Sadler Dan wrote: Thank you, Fred, I appreciate your suggestions. Regarding the idler tire, as I don't have a torque meter, it sounds like fast wind performance is my best indicator. I think I'll replace all the belts first along with your cleaning and lube suggestions then see how things work and leave the idler tire until needed. One question, where might I find the DeoxIT for sale? Radio Shack, Home Depot? Again, thanks for the help, Dan On Jun 8, 2011, at 11:08 PM, Fred Longworth wrote: Hi Dan, 1. Just slip it on. 2. Clean the tracks on both the control motor pulley and the large pulley the drives the cam. 3. At your option. Most techs would replace these as well. 4. Yes. This is more difficult. Regarding (4), one useful test is to measure the takeup torque using a torque-meter. When the idler has deteriorated, torque is much reduced, often to as little as 10 gm-cm. Moreover, the torque will display a great deal of instantaneous variance. This will slightly degrade the wow-and-flutter figure. Additionally, fast wind will be impaired. This will be especially noticeable on tapes with internal reel damping, such as TDK SA-X. Replacing the idler tire is a delicate operation. Do your homework before attempting this. A drop of light machine oil on the capstan bearing is useful. Be sure to wipe off all excess. Clean the pinch rollers to remove dead rubber and oxide buildup. We often treat the pinch rollers with rubber rejuvenator. Some may object to this practice. We have found it highly useful on a broad spectrum of tape machines. Treat all switches and controls on the frontpanel that are involved in signal processing with Caig DeoxIT D-5. I caution against overspray. The chemical must be introduced into the switch or control from the rear, not through the frontpanel as a few online idiots suggest. Demagnetize the heads. Do your homework before attempting this. Fred Owner Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Sadler Dan wrote: On recommendations from this forum, I ordered and have received a replacement belt kit from my LX-3 from Marrs Communication and wanted to consult the group before installing them. The only belt that is broken in the LX-3 is the control motor belt (square profile). 1. Can I just slip the new control motor belt on or does the cam drive gear need to be in a particular orientation? 2. Do I need to clean the surfaces of the gear(s) with alcohol before installing the belt? 3. Should I go ahead and replace the capstan belt and counter belt at the same time? 4. An idler tire was included with the belts, but I see from the forum that installation is not trivial. How can I tell if I need to replace the idler tire? 5. Anything else to consider such as lubrication or cleaning? Any other hints or suggestions are appreciated. 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URL: From sadler at hawaii.edu Wed Jun 15 22:24:04 2011 From: sadler at hawaii.edu (Sadler Dan) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 10:24:04 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 repair In-Reply-To: <212499210-1308137567-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1109371946-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry> References: <212499210-1308137567-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1109371946-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: Thanks Perry for the washer identification. I'm away from the assembly but can picture it from your description and explanation of the bearings/lubrication. I'll look closer at the foam in the door release spring. It looks like it is degrading and spreading bits everywhere. If so I'll try to find a suitable replacement that will dampen any ringing. Again, thanks for the help, Dan On Jun 15, 2011, at 1:32 AM, perry.nak at comcast.net wrote: > The translucent washer is the capstan oil retainer. There is also a smaller but same ID black washer that goes under it that is hopefully still stuck to the bearing where the capstans emerge near the pressure rollers. The other capstan has the same, but different hole. These keep the oil from the bearings from traveling down the capstan to the tape, and limit the amount of debris that can get to the bearing. Any light grease like for a reel is fine. I use Phonolube. Done touch the thrust screws. In general, they are fine where they are. The play is supposed to be there. The foam in the door release spring is supposed to be there. It keeps the spring from ringing. I use isopropyl alcohol to clean the flywheels. A drop og seeing machine oil on each bearing does wonders. > Perry Esposito - From my phone > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From sadler at hawaii.edu Fri Jun 17 00:25:31 2011 From: sadler at hawaii.edu (Sadler Dan) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 12:25:31 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 repair In-Reply-To: <212499210-1308137567-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1109371946-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry> References: <212499210-1308137567-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1109371946-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <94086168-B3A5-43B3-B99F-BA5E74D66DB6@hawaii.edu> Perry, Fortunately, as you predicted, the little black washers were still lightly stuck to the bearings. Unfortunately, I can't find the other translucent washer. I've looked all around the mechanism in case it had lodged itself but not luck yet. A chance it made into the vacuum cleaner bag so will check there too. I'm sure few of you experienced technicians aren't surprised at my carelessness. I'm definitely gaining a quick appreciation for the level of expertise it took/takes to service these machines. So how badly do I need that washer? I was thinking I might I might be able to have a friend machine one. Does anyone know of a source for these washers? I'm open to other ideas as well. Thanks for patient help, Dan On Jun 15, 2011, at 1:32 AM, perry.nak at comcast.net wrote: > The translucent washer is the capstan oil retainer. There is also a smaller but same ID black washer that goes under it that is hopefully still stuck to the bearing where the capstans emerge near the pressure rollers. The other capstan has the same, but different hole. These keep the oil from the bearings from traveling down the capstan to the tape, and limit the amount of debris that can get to the bearing. Any light grease like for a reel is fine. I use Phonolube. Done touch the thrust screws. In general, they are fine where they are. The play is supposed to be there. The foam in the door release spring is supposed to be there. It keeps the spring from ringing. I use isopropyl alcohol to clean the flywheels. A drop og seeing machine oil on each bearing does wonders. > Perry Esposito - From my phone > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Fri Jun 17 10:22:37 2011 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 10:22:37 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Message-ID: <000f01cc2cc7$b7e1bbc0$27a53340$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Hi , I ordered on ebay some idler tires for classic transport. The seller told me that there where (for the classic transport) two kind of idler tires used , one with 17 mm and one with 19 mm size. I have never heard about that difference before and wonder if you guys knows. He mentioned that some classic transports (1000ZXL) for the European market uses different sizes (19 mm). Regards Norman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Jun 17 10:47:15 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 01:47:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 Belt Changing In-Reply-To: References: <254A9EB5-A747-4E95-8C50-E643F16E4B1B@hawaii.edu> Message-ID: <667188.51656.qm@web160602.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hi Cheryl, It wouldn't be advisable to use anything that could possible create flat spots or disturb the eccentricity of the flywheels. For light rust stains, gentle polishing (Brasso or Autosol) would be a good start; for heavier stains, you could try a rust removal solution followed by a light buff using the above polishes. Strictly hand polish, and these components should stay away from a buffing wheel. As for the choice of the lubricants, because the capstans use sintered bronze bearings which are meant to store and release the lube, what you really need to do is flush the old lube out and put new ones in. You are right that the flywheels should be smooth and free running. When it comes to sintered bearings, the right sort of lube is very important so that lube circulation is right at the speeds the capstans operate. With the flywheels assembled back correctly, there should be minimal play and the Nylon thrust plates should not require any adjusting. However, if the gap is significant, then a re-adjustment may be necessary to correct the play. The grease harndening at the thrust plate is normal and you did right to clean it up. A dab of thick grease (like Molykote) would be advisable. With all this happening, I would also suggest you get a bright torch to look at the head lift cam and gear mechanism to ensure that there isn't dirt mixed with the grease. These are critical to a smooth operating transport that works right every time. Regards, Bala ________________________________ From: Cheryl Kaupp To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thu, June 16, 2011 4:10:12 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] LX-3 Belt Changing Dan, The "old mechanic" in me says that the flywheels need to be smooth enough for the belt to grip without slipping. They also need to be free of rough areas that might abrade the belt. If it seems a little rough you might try some really fine bronze or steel wool to clean it up a bit. Someone correct me if that is a big no-no. But be sure to do the cleaning far away from the transport and the deck so that you don't get any of the very fine metal particles in places where they shouldn't be. Then be sure to remove every bit of the particles from the flywheels/capstans. I used sewing machine oil to lube my capstans. The original oil on my 581 and 582 was a lightweight oil -- not a grease. I put a tiny, tiny bit of oil where the capstans contact the bearings. Be careful not to get any on the capstans anywhere near where they contact the tape. After you insert the capstans, be sure to clean off the tape ends one more time just to make sure. If you extract them for any reason you will need to clean off the capstans agains since you will contaminate the tape ends whenever you extracft them. I think you have a houseguest in your spring. Hope he's friendly! Don't know about the washer -- don't remember seeing anything like that in mine. But I seem to recall something similar happened to someone else -- maybe that was the nut used as a spacer on a motor or something. Someone more knowledgable please speak up, but I don't think there should have been green grease on the bearings. Grease is fairly heavy and causes a certain amount of drag. It's better for heavy wear surfaces like auto wheel bearings, u-joints, etc. It seems that it might cause a wow & flutter problem. If I am correct about the grease, then it is likely that someone else tinkered with this deck. Maybe that was the source of the washer. Have fun! Cheryl ________________________________ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Sadler Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 1:17 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-3 Belt Changing Fred and Cheryl, Thanks for the information and advice on my LX-3 repair. Following the service manual (thanks to EBAMAN) I removed the transport assembly without major difficulty - though the connectors to the circuit boards were a little tighter than expected (I seem to remember that there might be a specific connector remover for this task). There was also a single black wire to the capstan motor that was soldered directly to the circuit board which I did not anticipate from the service manual. I might install a connector on it to facilitate future repairs. I did notice a few things that concerned me. First, the surfaces of the capstan flywheels that contact the capstan belt have small patches of corrosion and pitting where the belt makes contact. It is minimal compared to what I saw at: http://nakamichi700zxl.blogspot.com/ . Isopropyl alcohol and a plastic "scrubby" removed the dried bits of old belt but some of the corrosion remained. I was wondering how smooth these surfaces need to be and what cleaners/abrasives are OK to use as I don't want to damage the function of these parts in an attempt to make them look good. I also managed to get a bunch of dirt into the thrust bearing grease. The green grease was hardening near the base of the hemispherical bearing surface but still looked like it was working at the contact point. Anyway, because I had gotten dirt in it, I removed it completely before realizing it would have to be replaced. (Yes, my desire to fix things "right now" instead of "the right way" often gets me in trouble. I have some Diawa fishing reel grease that looks about the same consistency and color so was wondering if that is appropriate or if there is a recommended product I should use instead? A local hobby shop that specializes in RC cars and planes might have a variety of lubricants or maybe something from a bike shop? I also noticed that there is some play in between the thrust bearing screws and the flywheel. The service manual gives some confusing instructions on how to set this or should I just leave it alone? The idler tire passes all of Cheryl's criteria and looks much better than the pictures Greg recently posted of his 700 ZXE rebuild, though there are some wear marks on the plastic reels it contacts that might indicate slipping. As much as I want to get that new tire in there, I think I should see how it works with the old one before tackling this tricky job. There is a small amount of large particle dust on many surfaces that looks like degrading foam bits. Is there supposed to be a small piece of foam inside the lid arm spring that connects to the pneumatic damper ass'y or did something build a nest in there? Something inside the spring looks like like it is falling apart and I want to remove it. Maybe it is there to keep it from squeaking or give the control a better "feel"? Lastly, an unidentified washer fell out of the assembly while I was working on it and I can't figure out where it goes. It is a translucent plastic washer with the following dimensions: OD - 5/16" (7.94mm) ID - 3/32" (2.38mm) Thickness - 1.25/64" (0.50mm) I followed the LX-3 Service Manual Section 2: Removal Instructions to the letter from 2.1 thru 2.5 and then 2.14 Capstan Motor Ass'y and Flywheel Ass'y. Any ideas where this washer is supposed to go? Or did some previous/devious tech throw it in loose to confuse me? Again, thanks for all your help and advice. I'm really enjoying this little project and anticipating the day I get to hear the results. Dan On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 8:06 PM, Fred Longworth wrote: Caig DeoxIT D-5 is the specific formulation. It's available at Guitar Center, Dan. It restores touchy switches and noisy controls better than any other chemical. For "tough jobs" where the oxidation is very deep, Caig DeoxIT Gold should be used. > >The Gold also has the wonderful property of much higher dielectric >resistance. This means it can be used to treat selector switches in tube >amplifiers where voltages are present on the switch contacts of the INPUT >SELECTOR as high as 350-500vdc. (Traditional contact restorers often arc!) > >Note that I use the terms "treat" and "restore." This class of chemicals is >often referred to as a "cleaner." The way it works is not actually cleaning. >There is only limited removal of debris, in that the chemical does not "wash >out" the switch or control. In any case, dust is not the actual substance >that is being dealt with -- it's oxidation. Caig formulations contain a strong >de-oxidant, a lubricant, and a something to prevent (for a time) a recurrence >of the oxidation. You might find it interesting that for a time the >California Bureau of Electronic & Appliance Repair actually cited repair >shops that wrote "cleaned switches and controls" on their service invoices. >Truly a classic case of government regulation gone wild. I mean, who really >cares other than some field agent trying to get his numbers up? > >Fred > >Classic Audio Repair >www.repairaudio.com > >* * * * * > > >On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Sadler Dan wrote: > >Thank you, Fred, >> >> >>I appreciate your suggestions. Regarding the idler tire, as I don't have a >>torque meter, it sounds like fast wind performance is my best indicator. I >>think I'll replace all the belts first along with your cleaning and lube >>suggestions then see how things work and leave the idler tire until needed. >> >> >>One question, where might I find the DeoxIT for sale? Radio Shack, Home >>Depot? >> >> >>Again, thanks for the help, >>Dan >> >> >>On Jun 8, 2011, at 11:08 PM, Fred Longworth wrote: >> >>Hi Dan, >>> >>>1. Just slip it on. >>>2. Clean the tracks on both the control motor pulley and the large pulley >>>the drives the cam. >>>3. At your option. Most techs would replace these as well. >>>4. Yes. This is more difficult. >>> >>>Regarding (4), one useful test is to measure the takeup torque using a >>>torque-meter. When the idler has deteriorated, torque is much reduced, >>>often to as little as 10 gm-cm. Moreover, the torque will display a great >>>deal of instantaneous variance. This will slightly degrade the >>>wow-and-flutter figure. Additionally, fast wind will be impaired. This >>>will be especially noticeable on tapes with internal reel damping, such >>>as TDK SA-X. >>> >>>Replacing the idler tire is a delicate operation. Do your homework before >>>attempting this. >>> >>>A drop of light machine oil on the capstan bearing is useful. Be sure to >>>wipe off all excess. >>> >>>Clean the pinch rollers to remove dead rubber and oxide buildup. We often >>>treat the pinch rollers with rubber rejuvenator. Some may object to this >>>practice. We have found it highly useful on a broad spectrum of tape >>>machines. >>> >>>Treat all switches and controls on the frontpanel that are involved in >>>signal processing with Caig DeoxIT D-5. I caution against overspray. The >>>chemical must be introduced into the switch or control from the rear, not >>>through the frontpanel as a few online idiots suggest. >>> >>>Demagnetize the heads. Do your homework before attempting this. >>> >>>Fred >>>Owner >>>Classic Audio Repair >>>www.repairaudio.com >>> >>>* * * * * >>> >>> >>>On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Sadler Dan wrote: >>> >>>On recommendations from this forum, I ordered and have received a >>>replacement belt kit from my LX-3 from Marrs Communication and wanted >>>to consult the group before installing them. The only belt that is >>>broken in the LX-3 is the control motor belt (square profile). >>>> >>>>1. Can I just slip the new control motor belt on or does the cam drive >>>>gear need to be in a particular orientation? >>>>2. Do I need to clean the surfaces of the gear(s) with alcohol before >>>>installing the belt? >>>>3. Should I go ahead and replace the capstan belt and counter belt at >>>>the same time? >>>>4. An idler tire was included with the belts, but I see from the forum >>>>that installation is not trivial. How can I tell if I need to replace >>>>the idler tire? >>>>5. 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URL: From perry.nak at comcast.net Fri Jun 17 13:05:53 2011 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 11:05:53 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 Repair Message-ID: <1215430978-1308308751-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-877411058-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry> Of all the Nakamichi parts to lose, that's the easiest to replace. Only newer classic transports have these washers, so you have a nice high serial number Nakamichi LX. You can substitute anything that works. Sometimes you see something very similar retaining screws on a light switch for instance. I've made them in the past, with similar material and a drill bit 85% the size of the capstan and a dremel and file. Clean away all the old grease you can, with IA especially on the thrust (sunken in ball bearing )bearing Use as many swabs as it takes. Use very small amounts of light light grease on any sliding points. This is the same grease that turns to glue on the pressure roller arms, so check the ease of motion of them. " Cracking" the transport is not as bad as it looks and is worth it to replace the idler tire. I sent a complete write up to Cheryl, maybe she still has it and can forward it to you. The transport friction on LX-3s tends to be higher than others because of the 2 head slave cable required to switch dolby between encode and decode whether you are in record or play mode. You should be able to stick you finger in the unpowered transport and rotate the large white gear easily to make the heads rise and drop. If you did a really good job, it should try to rotate back on its own to the stop position when you are half way. If it is hard to rotate, it needs to be cleaned and lubed. Perry Esposito - From my phone From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Fri Jun 17 18:43:15 2011 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 09:43:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 repair In-Reply-To: <94086168-B3A5-43B3-B99F-BA5E74D66DB6@hawaii.edu> Message-ID: <913281.90137.qm@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dan, I'm not sure where you live but here in CA the "Ace" hardware stores have a lot of nylon washers and nylon parts that can be used to make something.  the selection I've seen is incredible. Bob N --- On Thu, 6/16/11, Sadler Dan wrote: From: Sadler Dan Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-3 repair To: perry.nak at comcast.net, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, June 16, 2011, 3:25 PM Perry, Fortunately, as you predicted, the little black washers were still lightly stuck to the bearings.  Unfortunately, I can't find the other translucent washer.  I've looked all around the mechanism in case it had lodged itself but not luck yet.  A chance it made into the vacuum cleaner bag so will check there too.  I'm sure few of you experienced technicians aren't surprised at my carelessness.  I'm definitely gaining a quick appreciation for the level of expertise it took/takes to service these machines. So how badly do I need that washer?  I was thinking I might I might be able to have a friend machine one.  Does anyone know of a source for these washers?  I'm open to other ideas as well. Thanks for patient help, Dan On Jun 15, 2011, at 1:32 AM, perry.nak at comcast.net wrote: > The translucent washer is the capstan oil retainer. There is also a smaller but same ID black washer that goes under it that is hopefully still stuck to the bearing where the capstans emerge near the pressure rollers. The other capstan has the same, but different hole. These keep the oil from the bearings from traveling down the capstan to the tape, and limit the amount of debris that can get to the bearing. Any light grease like for a reel is fine. I use Phonolube. Done touch the thrust screws. In general, they are fine where they are. The play is supposed to be there.  The foam in the door release spring is supposed to be there. It keeps the spring from ringing. I use isopropyl alcohol to clean the flywheels. 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URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Fri Jun 17 19:53:09 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 07:53:09 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 Belt Changing In-Reply-To: References: <254A9EB5-A747-4E95-8C50-E643F16E4B1B@hawaii.edu> Message-ID: What Perry said! :-) There was no foam in the springs on the 581 or 582 -- unless it had disintegrated beyond recognition. That's an interesting idea. Just curious, how heavy is reel grease? Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 8:10 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] LX-3 Belt Changing Dan, The "old mechanic" in me says that the flywheels need to be smooth enough for the belt to grip without slipping. They also need to be free of rough areas that might abrade the belt. If it seems a little rough you might try some really fine bronze or steel wool to clean it up a bit. Someone correct me if that is a big no-no. But be sure to do the cleaning far away from the transport and the deck so that you don't get any of the very fine metal particles in places where they shouldn't be. Then be sure to remove every bit of the particles from the flywheels/capstans. I used sewing machine oil to lube my capstans. The original oil on my 581 and 582 was a lightweight oil -- not a grease. I put a tiny, tiny bit of oil where the capstans contact the bearings. Be careful not to get any on the capstans anywhere near where they contact the tape. After you insert the capstans, be sure to clean off the tape ends one more time just to make sure. If you extract them for any reason you will need to clean off the capstans agains since you will contaminate the tape ends whenever you extracft them. I think you have a houseguest in your spring. Hope he's friendly! Don't know about the washer -- don't remember seeing anything like that in mine. But I seem to recall something similar happened to someone else -- maybe that was the nut used as a spacer on a motor or something. Someone more knowledgable please speak up, but I don't think there should have been green grease on the bearings. Grease is fairly heavy and causes a certain amount of drag. It's better for heavy wear surfaces like auto wheel bearings, u-joints, etc. It seems that it might cause a wow & flutter problem. If I am correct about the grease, then it is likely that someone else tinkered with this deck. Maybe that was the source of the washer. Have fun! Cheryl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Jun 18 14:06:18 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 05:06:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport In-Reply-To: <000f01cc2cc7$b7e1bbc0$27a53340$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> References: <000f01cc2cc7$b7e1bbc0$27a53340$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Message-ID: <848358.50041.qm@web160615.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hi Norman, So far all the transports I have come across use the 17mm size as a standard. Regards, Bala ________________________________ From: Norman van Wijnen To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Fri, June 17, 2011 6:22:37 PM Subject: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Hi , I ordered on ebay some idler tires for classic transport. The seller told me that there where (for the classic transport) two kind of idler tires used , one with 17 mm and one with 19 mm size. I have never heard about that difference before and wonder if you guys knows. He mentioned that some classic transports (1000ZXL) for the European market uses different sizes (19 mm). Regards Norman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Sat Jun 18 20:08:55 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 08:08:55 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 Belt Changing In-Reply-To: <667188.51656.qm@web160602.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <254A9EB5-A747-4E95-8C50-E643F16E4B1B@hawaii.edu> <667188.51656.qm@web160602.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: fYI: I would never recommend a buffing wheel....just a good old wad of very fine (000 or 0000) steel or bronze wool in the hand. It will do about the same thing as Brasso. But I do have a question. When I took apart the 581 and the 582, there was no hardened grease on the thrust plate on either unit. What grease was there was clean and still viscous so I chose not to mess with it. Until I opened the 581 it had never been serviced (original owner 1979). There were other places that had old hardened grease -- but not the thrust plates. Should I go back and remove the old grease and re-grease the thrust plates? They seem to be working flawlessly -- both extremely smooth and quiet with no noticeable W&F. I have no way to measure W&F except with 2 old ears. But I've had plenty of automobile decks that were afflicted and do know what it sounds like. Thanks, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 10:47 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-3 Belt Changing Hi Cheryl, It wouldn't be advisable to use anything that could possible create flat spots or disturb the eccentricity of the flywheels. For light rust stains, gentle polishing (Brasso or Autosol) would be a good start; for heavier stains, you could try a rust removal solution followed by a light buff using the above polishes. Strictly hand polish, and these components should stay away from a buffing wheel. As for the choice of the lubricants, because the capstans use sintered bronze bearings which are meant to store and release the lube, what you really need to do is flush the old lube out and put new ones in. You are right that the flywheels should be smooth and free running. When it comes to sintered bearings, the right sort of lube is very important so that lube circulation is right at the speeds the capstans operate. With the flywheels assembled back correctly, there should be minimal play and the Nylon thrust plates should not require any adjusting. However, if the gap is significant, then a re-adjustment may be necessary to correct the play. The grease harndening at the thrust plate is normal and you did right to clean it up. A dab of thick grease (like Molykote) would be advisable. With all this happening, I would also suggest you get a bright torch to look at the head lift cam and gear mechanism to ensure that there isn't dirt mixed with the grease. These are critical to a smooth operating transport that works right every time. Regards, Bala _____ From: Cheryl Kaupp To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thu, June 16, 2011 4:10:12 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] LX-3 Belt Changing Dan, The "old mechanic" in me says that the flywheels need to be smooth enough for the belt to grip without slipping. They also need to be free of rough areas that might abrade the belt. If it seems a little rough you might try some really fine bronze or steel wool to clean it up a bit. Someone correct me if that is a big no-no. But be sure to do the cleaning far away from the transport and the deck so that you don't get any of the very fine metal particles in places where they shouldn't be. Then be sure to remove every bit of the particles from the flywheels/capstans. _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Sadler Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 1:17 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-3 Belt Changing Fred and Cheryl, Thanks for the information and advice on my LX-3 repair. Following the service manual (thanks to EBAMAN) I removed the transport assembly without major difficulty - though the connectors to the circuit boards were a little tighter than expected (I seem to remember that there might be a specific connector remover for this task). There was also a single black wire to the capstan motor that was soldered directly to the circuit board which I did not anticipate from the service manual. I might install a connector on it to facilitate future repairs. I did notice a few things that concerned me. First, the surfaces of the capstan flywheels that contact the capstan belt have small patches of corrosion and pitting where the belt makes contact. It is minimal compared to what I saw at: http://nakamichi700zxl.blogspot.com/ . Isopropyl alcohol and a plastic "scrubby" removed the dried bits of old belt but some of the corrosion remained. I was wondering how smooth these surfaces need to be and what cleaners/abrasives are OK to use as I don't want to damage the function of these parts in an attempt to make them look good. I also managed to get a bunch of dirt into the thrust bearing grease. The green grease was hardening near the base of the hemispherical bearing surface but still looked like it was working at the contact point. Anyway, because I had gotten dirt in it, I removed it completely before realizing it would have to be replaced. (Yes, my desire to fix things "right now" instead of "the right way" often gets me in trouble. I have some Diawa fishing reel grease that looks about the same consistency and color so was wondering if that is appropriate or if there is a recommended product I should use instead? A local hobby shop that specializes in RC cars and planes might have a variety of lubricants or maybe something from a bike shop? I also noticed that there is some play in between the thrust bearing screws and the flywheel. The service manual gives some confusing instructions on how to set this or should I just leave it alone? The idler tire passes all of Cheryl's criteria and looks much better than the pictures Greg recently posted of his 700 ZXE rebuild, though there are some wear marks on the plastic reels it contacts that might indicate slipping. As much as I want to get that new tire in there, I think I should see how it works with the old one before tackling this tricky job. There is a small amount of large particle dust on many surfaces that looks like degrading foam bits. Is there supposed to be a small piece of foam inside the lid arm spring that connects to the pneumatic damper ass'y or did something build a nest in there? Something inside the spring looks like like it is falling apart and I want to remove it. Maybe it is there to keep it from squeaking or give the control a better "feel"? Lastly, an unidentified washer fell out of the assembly while I was working on it and I can't figure out where it goes. It is a translucent plastic washer with the following dimensions: OD - 5/16" (7.94mm) ID - 3/32" (2.38mm) Thickness - 1.25/64" (0.50mm) I followed the LX-3 Service Manual Section 2: Removal Instructions to the letter from 2.1 thru 2.5 and then 2.14 Capstan Motor Ass'y and Flywheel Ass'y. Any ideas where this washer is supposed to go? Or did some previous/devious tech throw it in loose to confuse me? Again, thanks for all your help and advice. I'm really enjoying this little project and anticipating the day I get to hear the results. Dan On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 8:06 PM, Fred Longworth wrote: Caig DeoxIT D-5 is the specific formulation. It's available at Guitar Center, Dan. It restores touchy switches and noisy controls better than any other chemical. For "tough jobs" where the oxidation is very deep, Caig DeoxIT Gold should be used. The Gold also has the wonderful property of much higher dielectric resistance. This means it can be used to treat selector switches in tube amplifiers where voltages are present on the switch contacts of the INPUT SELECTOR as high as 350-500vdc. (Traditional contact restorers often arc!) Note that I use the terms "treat" and "restore." This class of chemicals is often referred to as a "cleaner." The way it works is not actually cleaning. There is only limited removal of debris, in that the chemical does not "wash out" the switch or control. In any case, dust is not the actual substance that is being dealt with -- it's oxidation. Caig formulations contain a strong de-oxidant, a lubricant, and a something to prevent (for a time) a recurrence of the oxidation. You might find it interesting that for a time the California Bureau of Electronic & Appliance Repair actually cited repair shops that wrote "cleaned switches and controls" on their service invoices. Truly a classic case of government regulation gone wild. I mean, who really cares other than some field agent trying to get his numbers up? Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Sadler Dan wrote: Thank you, Fred, I appreciate your suggestions. Regarding the idler tire, as I don't have a torque meter, it sounds like fast wind performance is my best indicator. I think I'll replace all the belts first along with your cleaning and lube suggestions then see how things work and leave the idler tire until needed. One question, where might I find the DeoxIT for sale? Radio Shack, Home Depot? Again, thanks for the help, Dan On Jun 8, 2011, at 11:08 PM, Fred Longworth wrote: Hi Dan, 1. Just slip it on. 2. Clean the tracks on both the control motor pulley and the large pulley the drives the cam. 3. At your option. Most techs would replace these as well. 4. Yes. This is more difficult. Regarding (4), one useful test is to measure the takeup torque using a torque-meter. When the idler has deteriorated, torque is much reduced, often to as little as 10 gm-cm. Moreover, the torque will display a great deal of instantaneous variance. This will slightly degrade the wow-and-flutter figure. Additionally, fast wind will be impaired. This will be especially noticeable on tapes with internal reel damping, such as TDK SA-X. Replacing the idler tire is a delicate operation. Do your homework before attempting this. A drop of light machine oil on the capstan bearing is useful. Be sure to wipe off all excess. Clean the pinch rollers to remove dead rubber and oxide buildup. We often treat the pinch rollers with rubber rejuvenator. Some may object to this practice. We have found it highly useful on a broad spectrum of tape machines. Treat all switches and controls on the frontpanel that are involved in signal processing with Caig DeoxIT D-5. I caution against overspray. The chemical must be introduced into the switch or control from the rear, not through the frontpanel as a few online idiots suggest. Demagnetize the heads. Do your homework before attempting this. Fred Owner Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Sadler Dan wrote: On recommendations from this forum, I ordered and have received a replacement belt kit from my LX-3 from Marrs Communication and wanted to consult the group before installing them. The only belt that is broken in the LX-3 is the control motor belt (square profile). 1. Can I just slip the new control motor belt on or does the cam drive gear need to be in a particular orientation? 2. Do I need to clean the surfaces of the gear(s) with alcohol before installing the belt? 3. Should I go ahead and replace the capstan belt and counter belt at the same time? 4. An idler tire was included with the belts, but I see from the forum that installation is not trivial. How can I tell if I need to replace the idler tire? 5. Anything else to consider such as lubrication or cleaning? Any other hints or suggestions are appreciated. Thanks for the help, Dan ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Sat Jun 18 20:35:51 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 08:35:51 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport In-Reply-To: <848358.50041.qm@web160615.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <000f01cc2cc7$b7e1bbc0$27a53340$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> <848358.50041.qm@web160615.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Weird that anyone should mention this. Quite a while back I ordered 2 tires from some guy on ebay. More recently I ordered 3 belt kits from Fred Mars. When the belt kits arrived, I tossed the 2 tires into the bags with the Mars belts and thought nothing of it. After I got to working on my 581 I noticed that the tire was not riding correctly on the take-up reel. It was riding on the split between the 2 halves and making noise during PLAY and damaging the tire. The idler arm was sagging and causing an angular problem with the tire assembly's contact with the reel. I inquired of ESL about a new one (yikes -- $145). Jeff at ESL said to heat the old one and bend it so that it rides correctly on the reel. He said that they have to bend all the new plastic ones too. So the last time I worked on it I did the heat gun thing to bend the idler arm. But before doing so, I got out my bag of parts so that I could replace the tire again. Where it had been riding on the split it had abraded the center portion of the "tread" area. It was then that I noticed that the tires in my belt bags were not the same. One of them was significantly taller (2mm sounds just about right) and it turns out that I had one of the taller ones on the 581. After watching the movement of the tire/wheel for about 5 minutes, it seemed that it would ride better with the smaller tire. So I changed it and it did indeed ride better but still wasn't quite right. So after changing the tire the idler arm got the heat gun treatment. With the smaller tire and the idler arm bent to a better angle, it rides correctly on the take-up reel. It's not quite perfect on the re-wind reel, but it is good. I was afraid to heat/bend it too many times. That was fun. The 2 different sized tires really had me scratching my head. It's likely that the guy on ebay sold the 19mm tires. Buyer beware. This is the first time I've ever heard anyone mention it. Thanks for solving my mystery! Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 2:06 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Hi Norman, So far all the transports I have come across use the 17mm size as a standard. Regards, Bala _____ From: Norman van Wijnen To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Fri, June 17, 2011 6:22:37 PM Subject: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Hi , I ordered on ebay some idler tires for classic transport. The seller told me that there where (for the classic transport) two kind of idler tires used , one with 17 mm and one with 19 mm size. I have never heard about that difference before and wonder if you guys knows. He mentioned that some classic transports (1000ZXL) for the European market uses different sizes (19 mm). Regards Norman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Sat Jun 18 21:44:36 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 09:44:36 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 Repair In-Reply-To: <1215430978-1308308751-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-877411058-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry> References: <1215430978-1308308751-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-877411058-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: A few comments from a novice. SCREWS! As Perry says, the respective positions of the chassis screws are important. I laid mine on a towel in the correct pattern and then promptly knocked the towel off the table. ARGH! It was hit or miss until I got all 10 screws back in their correct positions (and a significant time sync). I now take a piece of paper and draw crude representations of the chassis plates and poke the screws through the paper in their proper places. It does a nice job of holding the screws until I need them and it's easy to pick up all the screws and move them all at once without consequence. And that's the first thing I do now -- move them out of the way of the clutz. WIRES! You will need to remove or move a few wire ties. You can get a big batch of small wire ties at Home Depot to replace the ones you cut. That's much easier than trying to salvage the originals. But if you like the challenge of trying to untie/tie them to remain "original" then go for it. Also, be very careful with the wire connections. It doesn't take much to break one of those small wires and you may not notice it until the transport is back together and doesn't work. Now how would I know this? :-) The easiest way to deal with the wires that go to the record protect switch is to remove the switch itself. As I recall there is only one tiny screw that holds it in place. Pay attention to the position of the switch leaves BEFORE you take the switch off. If you get the transport back together and it won't go into record mode then you probably re-installed the switch incorrectly. Now how would I know this? :-) CAM! Also as Perry says, pay attention to where the top plate meets the large gear/cam. It has a slotted nylon follower that must go over the matching part of the cam. Before you take apart that section of the transport, peek in there at the cam. You can see the follower and where it engages in the cam. It will look kind of like 2 nylon pins that straddle a "bar" near the center of the cam. Make a mental note. If you put the transport back together and the transport does screwy, incorrect things when you try to operate the transport controls, then you put the cam follower in the wrong position in the cam. Now how would I know this? :-) MISTAKES! Making mistakes is a great learning device. Personally, I'm more likely to remember how to do something if I screw it up the first time. It sort of etches it in the brain as you try to solve the problem you created. Fortunately, it seems that the most obvious mistakes don't do any permanent damage to the transport. It just won't work. Here you go! I added a little bit of white space for easier reading. Aloha, Cheryl Cheryl, Once you have transport out of the deck, it is seriously easy to crack the transport to have easy access to the tire. After you have it out, just remove the 4 screws that hold the capstan motor flywheel retaining plate off. One screw is longer. Note where. Always take the belt off the motor, but leave it on the flywheels. Plate lifts off, now belt is easy to remove cleanly. Slide out flywheel/capstans, and watch to make sure all the washers and tension spring (some are just tension washers) come off and stack in the right order over the capstan. Now you can clean and put one drop of sewing machine oil on the shaft. Pull straight out, careful to not bend in any way! Now there are 6 screws exposed on the next layer. One is longer with a washer. Some may have washers others not. Just mark them and where they go. Only thing now holding the plate in place is 3 springs, which tension the head block slider plate. Carefully unhook the 3 from the same side you took the screws from. Do not let them snap down. Also be careful not to break the nylon hooks they hang from. You just leave the large spring for the eject in place. The plate will now slide straight up. The only thing to watch for is where the top plate meets the large gear/cam. It has a slotted nylon follower that must be put back when reassembled so that it fits over the matching part in the cam. It doesn't fall out or anything just make sure it meshes back correctly when reassembled. The cam belt is easier to remove and replace when the transport is back together. This allows you to rather easily clean and grease the transport and add a drop of oil on each shaft. Once out I can have it apart and back together in less than half an hour easy. And much safer than taking a chance breaking the idler arm! Perry Esposito - From my phone -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of perry.nak at comcast.net Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 1:06 AM To: Naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 Repair Of all the Nakamichi parts to lose, that's the easiest to replace. Only newer classic transports have these washers, so you have a nice high serial number Nakamichi LX. You can substitute anything that works. Sometimes you see something very similar retaining screws on a light switch for instance. I've made them in the past, with similar material and a drill bit 85% the size of the capstan and a dremel and file. Clean away all the old grease you can, with IA especially on the thrust (sunken in ball bearing )bearing Use as many swabs as it takes. Use very small amounts of light light grease on any sliding points. This is the same grease that turns to glue on the pressure roller arms, so check the ease of motion of them. " Cracking" the transport is not as bad as it looks and is worth it to replace the idler tire. I sent a complete write up to Cheryl, maybe she still has it and can forward it to you. The transport friction on LX-3s tends to be higher than others because of the 2 head slave cable required to switch dolby between encode and decode whether you are in record or play mode. You should be able to stick you finger in the unpowered transport and rotate the large white gear easily to make the heads rise and drop. If you did a really good job, it should try to rotate back on its own to the stop position when you are half way. If it is hard to rotate, it needs to be cleaned and! lubed. Perry Esposito - From my phone ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Sat Jun 18 22:07:15 2011 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 22:07:15 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport In-Reply-To: References: <000f01cc2cc7$b7e1bbc0$27a53340$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> <848358.50041.qm@web160615.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000901cc2df3$51bdfc50$f539f4f0$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Hey Cheryl, I never thought that there where any differences in idler tires for the classic transport but i measure here the plastic Wheel without the rubber and that plastic Wheel is 18 mm. I have (also from a belt kit ) the 17 and the 19 mm version. In my 1000ZXL where i am working on i have replaced the idler tire and i think that i have to use the 19mm one instead of the 17 mm. At this moment i am running into problems (sometimes) with rewind. The idler makes a strange noise and then tape stops rewinding. Maybe a wrong angle or a wrong size. When fitting the old rubber back on the Wheel the Total size is 19,6 mm . Do you know what the size is of the idler you use there? It seems to me impossible to put a 17 mm tire on a Wheel made for 19 mm tires . Trying that gives a sort of bended rubber. Regards Norman Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens Cheryl Kaupp Verzonden: zaterdag 18 juni 2011 20:36 Aan: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Onderwerp: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Weird that anyone should mention this. Quite a while back I ordered 2 tires from some guy on ebay. More recently I ordered 3 belt kits from Fred Mars. When the belt kits arrived, I tossed the 2 tires into the bags with the Mars belts and thought nothing of it. After I got to working on my 581 I noticed that the tire was not riding correctly on the take-up reel. It was riding on the split between the 2 halves and making noise during PLAY and damaging the tire. The idler arm was sagging and causing an angular problem with the tire assembly's contact with the reel. I inquired of ESL about a new one (yikes -- $145). Jeff at ESL said to heat the old one and bend it so that it rides correctly on the reel. He said that they have to bend all the new plastic ones too. So the last time I worked on it I did the heat gun thing to bend the idler arm. But before doing so, I got out my bag of parts so that I could replace the tire again. Where it had been riding on the split it had abraded the center portion of the "tread" area. It was then that I noticed that the tires in my belt bags were not the same. One of them was significantly taller (2mm sounds just about right) and it turns out that I had one of the taller ones on the 581. After watching the movement of the tire/wheel for about 5 minutes, it seemed that it would ride better with the smaller tire. So I changed it and it did indeed ride better but still wasn't quite right. So after changing the tire the idler arm got the heat gun treatment. With the smaller tire and the idler arm bent to a better angle, it rides correctly on the take-up reel. It's not quite perfect on the re-wind reel, but it is good. I was afraid to heat/bend it too many times. That was fun. The 2 different sized tires really had me scratching my head. It's likely that the guy on ebay sold the 19mm tires. Buyer beware. This is the first time I've ever heard anyone mention it. Thanks for solving my mystery! Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 2:06 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Hi Norman, So far all the transports I have come across use the 17mm size as a standard. Regards, Bala _____ From: Norman van Wijnen To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Fri, June 17, 2011 6:22:37 PM Subject: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Hi , I ordered on ebay some idler tires for classic transport. The seller told me that there where (for the classic transport) two kind of idler tires used , one with 17 mm and one with 19 mm size. I have never heard about that difference before and wonder if you guys knows. He mentioned that some classic transports (1000ZXL) for the European market uses different sizes (19 mm). Regards Norman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Sat Jun 18 22:26:06 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 10:26:06 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 Repair In-Reply-To: References: <1215430978-1308308751-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-877411058-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: Well, that wasn't the white space I added to Perry's email. What is it that chews up text as it goes through the email system? Good grief. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 9:45 AM To: perry.nak at comcast.net; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] LX-3 Repair A few comments from a novice. SCREWS! As Perry says, the respective positions of the chassis screws are important. I laid mine on a towel in the correct pattern and then promptly knocked the towel off the table. ARGH! It was hit or miss until I got all 10 screws back in their correct positions (and a significant time sync). I now take a piece of paper and draw crude representations of the chassis plates and poke the screws through the paper in their proper places. It does a nice job of holding the screws until I need them and it's easy to pick up all the screws and move them all at once without consequence. And that's the first thing I do now -- move them out of the way of the clutz. WIRES! You will need to remove or move a few wire ties. You can get a big batch of small wire ties at Home Depot to replace the ones you cut. That's much easier than trying to salvage the originals. But if you like the challenge of trying to untie/tie them to remain "original" then go for it. Also, be very careful with the wire connections. It doesn't take much to break one of those small wires and you may not notice it until the transport is back together and doesn't work. Now how would I know this? :-) The easiest way to deal with the wires that go to the record protect switch is to remove the switch itself. As I recall there is only one tiny screw that holds it in place. Pay attention to the position of the switch leaves BEFORE you take the switch off. If you get the transport back together and it won't go into record mode then you probably re-installed the switch incorrectly. Now how would I know this? :-) CAM! Also as Perry says, pay attention to where the top plate meets the large gear/cam. It has a slotted nylon follower that must go over the matching part of the cam. Before you take apart that section of the transport, peek in there at the cam. You can see the follower and where it engages in the cam. It will look kind of like 2 nylon pins that straddle a "bar" near the center of the cam. Make a mental note. If you put the transport back together and the transport does screwy, incorrect things when you try to operate the transport controls, then you put the cam follower in the wrong position in the cam. Now how would I know this? :-) MISTAKES! Making mistakes is a great learning device. Personally, I'm more likely to remember how to do something if I screw it up the first time. It sort of etches it in the brain as you try to solve the problem you created. Fortunately, it seems that the most obvious mistakes don't do any permanent damage to the transport. It just won't work. Here you go! I added a little bit of white space for easier reading. Aloha, Cheryl Cheryl, Once you have transport out of the deck, it is seriously easy to crack the transport to have easy access to the tire. After you have it out, just remove the 4 screws that hold the capstan motor flywheel retaining plate off. One screw is longer. Note where. Always take the belt off the motor, but leave it on the flywheels. Plate lifts off, now belt is easy to remove cleanly. Slide out flywheel/capstans, and watch to make sure all the washers and tension spring (some are just tension washers) come off and stack in the right order over the capstan. Now you can clean and put one drop of sewing machine oil on the shaft. Pull straight out, careful to not bend in any way! Now there are 6 screws exposed on the next layer. One is longer with a washer. Some may have washers others not. Just mark them and where they go. Only thing now holding the plate in place is 3 springs, which tension the head block slider plate. Carefully unhook the 3 from the same side you took the screws from. Do not let them snap down. Also be careful not to break the nylon hooks they hang from. You just leave the large spring for the eject in place. The plate will now slide straight up. The only thing to watch for is where the top plate meets the large gear/cam. It has a slotted nylon follower that must be put back when reassembled so that it fits over the matching part in the cam. It doesn't fall out or anything just make sure it meshes back correctly when reassembled. The cam belt is easier to remove and replace when the transport is back together. This allows you to rather easily clean and grease the transport and add a drop of oil on each shaft. Once out I can have it apart and back together in less than half an hour easy. And much safer than taking a chance breaking the idler arm! Perry Esposito - From my phone -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of perry.nak at comcast.net Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 1:06 AM To: Naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 Repair Of all the Nakamichi parts to lose, that's the easiest to replace. Only newer classic transports have these washers, so you have a nice high serial number Nakamichi LX. You can substitute anything that works. Sometimes you see something very similar retaining screws on a light switch for instance. I've made them in the past, with similar material and a drill bit 85% the size of the capstan and a dremel and file. Clean away all the old grease you can, with IA especially on the thrust (sunken in ball bearing )bearing Use as many swabs as it takes. Use very small amounts of light light grease on any sliding points. This is the same grease that turns to glue on the pressure roller arms, so check the ease of motion of them. " Cracking" the transport is not as bad as it looks and is worth it to replace the idler tire. I sent a complete write up to Cheryl, maybe she still has it and can forward it to you. The transport friction on LX-3s tends to be higher than others because of the 2 head slave cable required to switch dolby between encode and decode whether you are in record or play mode. You should be able to stick you finger in the unpowered transport and rotate the large white gear easily to make the heads rise and drop. If you did a really good job, it should try to rotate back on its own to the stop position when you are half way. If it is hard to rotate, it needs to be cleaned and! lubed. Perry Esposito - From my phone ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Sat Jun 18 22:46:07 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 10:46:07 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Car stereo question In-Reply-To: References: <1215430978-1308308751-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-877411058-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: Heading out to fix the stereo in my old 300zx. The left front speaker is acting up. Every once in a while it starts breaking up -- but then it self corrects. Or sometimes you can give the door panel a whack and it corrects. I have a woofer, tweeter, and crossover system. Since sometimes the speaker/woofer sounds fine and can go for long periods without acting up I'm thinking the speaker itself is probably okay and that it is likely either a corroded connection or a failing crossover. Any opinions on this? Taking the door panel off is a major PITB so the task has been put off for a while. Thanks, Cheryl From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com Sat Jun 18 15:29:41 2011 From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 15:29:41 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport In-Reply-To: <000f01cc2cc7$b7e1bbc0$27a53340$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> References: <000f01cc2cc7$b7e1bbc0$27a53340$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Message-ID: <3E9C55E7-2B1A-4FFD-8392-C2E9D64BECC5@gmail.com> Hi Normal, This picture was made with the original Idler from a 582. All my Decks (8) with classic transport have the same tire. The Decks are 480,482, 580, 582, ZX-7, ZX-9, Dragon, 1000ZXL regards regards -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMGP4177 Kopie.jpg Type: application/applefile Size: 56132 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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He mentioned that some classic transports (1000ZXL) for > the European market uses different sizes (19 mm). > > > > Regards Norman > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com Sat Jun 18 22:32:01 2011 From: juliekessler1990grad at gmail.com (Julie Kessler) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 15:32:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Remember, Khrome tape by KVG Labs? In-Reply-To: References: <971765.63806.qm@web81807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Actually, the tapes were selling well, but the defect rejection rate was about 80%, which ate up all the profit and then some. So, the boss decided to abandon the project until, or if, the makers could get the rejection rate down to something more reasonable. On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 10:13 AM, MD wrote: > In other words the cassettes were not selling well enough and project > was unsuccessful. > > On 6/6/11, Bart wrote: > > Looks like production problems led to cancellation of the project. > > > > http://www.kvglabs.com/news.html > > > > > > "April 2, 2011 > > Cassette tape production has been halted and all future production has > been > > cancelled. The cassettes were based on 1970s-era DuPont Crolyn CrO2 and > > Ampex > > cobalt-doped formulations and were being manufactured using equipment > once > > owned > > by Memorex. However, we have been having quality issues with some of the > > tape > > formulae, and have suspended development of this product line. Cassette > > tapes > > were a sideline to our business. We pursued the project simply as a means > to > > help support the avid cassette tape community. However, the consensus > from > > prominent tape-oriented web sites is that existing supplies of New Old > Stock > > blank cassettes, as well as the inexpensive cassettes offered by National > > Audio > > Company and retail-packaged TDK branded cassette tapes sold by J & R, are > > adequate to serve the needs of the cassette tape collector. Contact > National > > Audio Company for information about their products, and J & R to purchase > > TDK > > SM60 or TDK SA90 blank cassettes. Thank you to those who have purchased > our > > cassette tapes in the past, as well as our technical partners who have > been > > involved in this effort." > > Regards, > > > > Bart > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Wouter Heijke > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Sent: Mon, June 6, 2011 3:10:58 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] Remember, Khrome tape by KVG Labs? > > > > I'm just curious... anyone bought any "Khrome tape by KVG Labs"? Anyone > > received any? > > The pages with info posted last January lead to 404's now... > > > > Wouter > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- -- Julie Kessler juliek at kvglabs.com Artist Development Executive KVG Laboratories I Found The Sound! 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Rainer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryl Kaupp" To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 2:46 PM Subject: [naktalk] Car stereo question > > Heading out to fix the stereo in my old 300zx. > > The left front speaker is acting up. Every once in a while it starts > breaking up -- but then it self corrects. Or sometimes you can give the > door > panel a whack and it corrects. I have a woofer, tweeter, and crossover > system. Since sometimes the speaker/woofer sounds fine and can go for long > periods without acting up I'm thinking the speaker itself is probably okay > and that it is likely either a corroded connection or a failing crossover. > > Any opinions on this? Taking the door panel off is a major PITB so the > task > has been put off for a while. > > Thanks, > Cheryl > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Sun Jun 19 03:00:01 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 15:00:01 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport In-Reply-To: <000901cc2df3$51bdfc50$f539f4f0$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> References: <000f01cc2cc7$b7e1bbc0$27a53340$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> <848358.50041.qm@web160615.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <000901cc2df3$51bdfc50$f539f4f0$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Message-ID: Hi Norman, On the tires I had the inside diameter was the same. It was the outside diameter that was different. The thickness/width was the same. The one I put on last was the shorter tire. Because the inside diameter and width were the same they both went on the wheel just fine. When it had the tall tire on it seemed to exacerbate the problem with the saggy idler arm. All of the angles looked off. The saggy idler made the tire ride too far forward on the reel and the tall tire seemed to make the tire assembly want to tilt backwards at the top. If the tire was the right size I would have expected it to move a little differently than it did. The planes of the reels, idler arm, and tire assembly were just all weird looking. When the shorter tire was installed it looked more like I would have expected considering the saggy idler arm. I kept the original tire and threw it in a used part baggie for some silly reason (I cut it off so it isn't very useful). The factory original is definitely 17mm. The tall one that I cut off seems to be about 18.5mm but is kind of hard to measure due to the way I cut it off. But it definitely has a bigger outside diameter and the inside is the same. Right now I can't find the second tall tire I had. I think I set it aside to investigate and then forgot all about it. Gary probably found it and used it for a washer. The 581 made some ugly noises before I put the small tire on it and bent the idler arm. During play it sounded like a car that kept running off the road. Your 1000ZXL must be on it last legs. I think you should give it to me and buy a new one. :-) As the wheel moves from one reel to the other to change directions/functions, it is critical that it lines up properly in the correct planes with the reels, the tire should ride flat on the reel, and there has to be enough tension/traction from the tire on the wheel to actually turn the reel. If there is a problem the REW mechanism will stop. Have you watched it from above while running the deck through PLAY, FF, REW to watch what happens? Do you have a spring problem? Too much or too little tension on the idler spring can affect the operation of the wheel/tire. Just watch and watch and watch... Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Norman van Wijnen Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 10:07 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Hey Cheryl, I never thought that there where any differences in idler tires for the classic transport but i measure here the plastic Wheel without the rubber and that plastic Wheel is 18 mm. I have (also from a belt kit ) the 17 and the 19 mm version. In my 1000ZXL where i am working on i have replaced the idler tire and i think that i have to use the 19mm one instead of the 17 mm. At this moment i am running into problems (sometimes) with rewind. The idler makes a strange noise and then tape stops rewinding. Maybe a wrong angle or a wrong size. When fitting the old rubber back on the Wheel the Total size is 19,6 mm . Do you know what the size is of the idler you use there? It seems to me impossible to put a 17 mm tire on a Wheel made for 19 mm tires . Trying that gives a sort of bended rubber. Regards Norman Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens Cheryl Kaupp Verzonden: zaterdag 18 juni 2011 20:36 Aan: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Onderwerp: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Weird that anyone should mention this. Quite a while back I ordered 2 tires from some guy on ebay. More recently I ordered 3 belt kits from Fred Mars. When the belt kits arrived, I tossed the 2 tires into the bags with the Mars belts and thought nothing of it. After I got to working on my 581 I noticed that the tire was not riding correctly on the take-up reel. It was riding on the split between the 2 halves and making noise during PLAY and damaging the tire. The idler arm was sagging and causing an angular problem with the tire assembly's contact with the reel. I inquired of ESL about a new one (yikes -- $145). Jeff at ESL said to heat the old one and bend it so that it rides correctly on the reel. He said that they have to bend all the new plastic ones too. So the last time I worked on it I did the heat gun thing to bend the idler arm. But before doing so, I got out my bag of parts so that I could replace the tire again. Where it had been riding on the split it had abraded the center portion of the "tread" area. It was then that I noticed that the tires in my belt bags were not the same. One of them was significantly taller (2mm sounds just about right) and it turns out that I had one of the taller ones on the 581. After watching the movement of the tire/wheel for about 5 minutes, it seemed that it would ride better with the smaller tire. So I changed it and it did indeed ride better but still wasn't quite right. So after changing the tire the idler arm got the heat gun treatment. With the smaller tire and the idler arm bent to a better angle, it rides correctly on the take-up reel. It's not quite perfect on the re-wind reel, but it is good. I was afraid to heat/bend it too many times. That was fun. The 2 different sized tires really had me scratching my head. It's likely that the guy on ebay sold the 19mm tires. Buyer beware. This is the first time I've ever heard anyone mention it. Thanks for solving my mystery! Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 2:06 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Hi Norman, So far all the transports I have come across use the 17mm size as a standard. Regards, Bala _____ From: Norman van Wijnen To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Fri, June 17, 2011 6:22:37 PM Subject: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Hi , I ordered on ebay some idler tires for classic transport. The seller told me that there where (for the classic transport) two kind of idler tires used , one with 17 mm and one with 19 mm size. I have never heard about that difference before and wonder if you guys knows. He mentioned that some classic transports (1000ZXL) for the European market uses different sizes (19 mm). Regards Norman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 19 04:18:11 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 12:18:11 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport In-Reply-To: References: <000f01cc2cc7$b7e1bbc0$27a53340$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> <848358.50041.qm@web160615.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <000901cc2df3$51bdfc50$f539f4f0$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Message-ID: There are no 'last legs' for Naks Cheryl. Naktalkers see to that. Cheers! Bala Sent from my iPhone On Jun 19, 2011, at 11:00, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: > > Hi Norman, > > On the tires I had the inside diameter was the same. It was the outside diameter that was different. The thickness/width was the same. The one I put on last was the shorter tire. Because the inside diameter and width were the same they both went on the wheel just fine. > > When it had the tall tire on it seemed to exacerbate the problem with the saggy idler arm. All of the angles looked off. The saggy idler made the tire ride too far forward on the reel and the tall tire seemed to make the tire assembly want to tilt backwards at the top. If the tire was the right size I would have expected it to move a little differently than it did. The planes of the reels, idler arm, and tire assembly were just all weird looking. When the shorter tire was installed it looked more like I would have expected considering the saggy idler arm. > > I kept the original tire and threw it in a used part baggie for some silly reason (I cut it off so it isn't very useful). The factory original is definitely 17mm. The tall one that I cut off seems to be about 18.5mm but is kind of hard to measure due to the way I cut it off. But it definitely has a bigger outside diameter and the inside is the same. Right now I can't find the second tall tire I had. I think I set it aside to investigate and then forgot all about it. Gary probably found it and used it for a washer. > > The 581 made some ugly noises before I put the small tire on it and bent the idler arm. During play it sounded like a car that kept running off the road. Your 1000ZXL must be on it last legs. I think you should give it to me and buy a new one. :-) As the wheel moves from one reel to the other to change directions/functions, it is critical that it lines up properly in the correct planes with the reels, the tire should ride flat on the reel, and there has to be enough tension/traction from the tire on the wheel to actually turn the reel. If there is a problem the REW mechanism will stop. Have you watched it from above while running the deck through PLAY, FF, REW to watch what happens? Do you have a spring problem? Too much or too little tension on the idler spring can affect the operation of the wheel/tire. Just watch and watch and watch... > > Aloha, > Cheryl > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Norman van Wijnen > Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 10:07 AM > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport > > Hey Cheryl, > > > > I never thought that there where any differences in idler tires for the classic transport but i measure here the plastic Wheel without the rubber and that plastic Wheel is 18 mm. > > I have (also from a belt kit ) the 17 and the 19 mm version. In my 1000ZXL where i am working on i have replaced the idler tire and i think that i have to use the 19mm one instead of the 17 mm. At this moment i am running into problems (sometimes) with rewind. The idler makes a strange noise and then tape stops rewinding. Maybe a wrong angle or a wrong size. When fitting the old rubber back on the Wheel the Total size is 19,6 mm . > > > > Do you know what the size is of the idler you use there? It seems to me impossible to put a 17 mm tire on a Wheel made for 19 mm tires . Trying that gives a sort of bended rubber. > > > > Regards Norman > > Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens Cheryl Kaupp > Verzonden: zaterdag 18 juni 2011 20:36 > Aan: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Onderwerp: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport > > > > > > Weird that anyone should mention this. Quite a while back I ordered 2 tires from some guy on ebay. More recently I ordered 3 belt kits from Fred Mars. When the belt kits arrived, I tossed the 2 tires into the bags with the Mars belts and thought nothing of it. > > > > After I got to working on my 581 I noticed that the tire was not riding correctly on the take-up reel. It was riding on the split between the 2 halves and making noise during PLAY and damaging the tire. The idler arm was sagging and causing an angular problem with the tire assembly's contact with the reel. I inquired of ESL about a new one (yikes -- $145). Jeff at ESL said to heat the old one and bend it so that it rides correctly on the reel. He said that they have to bend all the new plastic ones too. > > > > So the last time I worked on it I did the heat gun thing to bend the idler arm. But before doing so, I got out my bag of parts so that I could replace the tire again. Where it had been riding on the split it had abraded the center portion of the "tread" area. It was then that I noticed that the tires in my belt bags were not the same. One of them was significantly taller (2mm sounds just about right) and it turns out that I had one of the taller ones on the 581. After watching the movement of the tire/wheel for about 5 minutes, it seemed that it would ride better with the smaller tire. So I changed it and it did indeed ride better but still wasn't quite right. So after changing the tire the idler arm got the heat gun treatment. With the smaller tire and the idler arm bent to a better angle, it rides correctly on the take-up reel. It's not quite perfect on the re-wind reel, but it is good. I was afraid to heat/bend it too many times. That was fun. > > > > The 2 different sized tires really had me scratching my head. It's likely that the guy on ebay sold the 19mm tires. Buyer beware. This is the first time I've ever heard anyone mention it. Thanks for solving my mystery! > > > > Aloha, > > Cheryl > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra > Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 2:06 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport > > Hi Norman, > > So far all the transports I have come across use the 17mm size as a standard. > > Regards, > Bala > > > > > > From: Norman van Wijnen > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Fri, June 17, 2011 6:22:37 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport > > Hi , > > > > I ordered on ebay some idler tires for classic transport. The seller told me that there where (for the classic transport) two kind of idler tires used , one with 17 mm and one with 19 mm size. > > I have never heard about that difference before and wonder if you guys knows. He mentioned that some classic transports (1000ZXL) for the European market uses different sizes (19 mm). > > > > Regards Norman > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Sun Jun 19 04:51:47 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 16:51:47 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Car stereo question In-Reply-To: <000a01cc2e05$caba1a50$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> References: <1215430978-1308308751-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-877411058-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry> <000a01cc2e05$caba1a50$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Message-ID: Hi Rainer, Yeah, unfortunately you are correct. It had to come off. The armrest is a real pain. It has 4 screws that hold it on, but the screw holes have these finish plugs that cover the holes. They are very hard to remove without damaging the armrest -- especially on an old car with vinyl that isn't very flexible anymore. And, of course, new armrests are no longer available at any cost. The 4 plugs took over an hour to remove. One of the screws that holds the woofer had worked its way through the plastic speaker shield behind it and had pierced the + wire from the crossover to the woofer. Whenever the car hit a bump or anything flexed it was shorting it to ground via that screw. Fixed that but still had some weird distortion. Took the crossover out (another ugly task). Appears that 2 of the terminals had broken solder connections and were actually loose on the circuit board. The unit isn't serviceable and is riveted shut. Well, it used to be riveted shut. I removed the rivets on one side so that I could prop the case open and get to the circuit board. Resoldered the terminals where they go through the circuit board and used nuts/bolts to reseal the case. Left front speaker is now working great. BUT, somewhere along the line the left rear speaker quit. That's on tap for tomorrow. Maybe I screwed something up when I pulled the head unit out and just didn't notice it. There is an amazing plethora of wires to the unit. Or maybe fixing the front affected it somehow. The original vehicle wiring was really not suitable to an aftermarket unit. It had those awful shared grounds and I can't remember if it was the rear speakers that had the shared grounds or if it was the left side shared and the right side shared. I installed the first aftermarket unit in 1988 and that's when I redid the wiring. It was just too long ago -- memory isn't that great. Long story short -- I pretty much had to rewire all the speakers to get it to work with the aftermarket unit since it required separate grounds for each speaker. The last time I worked on it was 1999 when she got a new deck and MB Quart's for the rear. It's overdue for some attention. Left rear is on the agenda for tomorrow. The old knees are screaming right now. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Rainer & Joy-Ell Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 12:19 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Car stereo question Cheryl, aside from the obvious loose/corroded connections it might be that the wires going to the door are breaking up inside from flexing when the door opens and closes. You might want to check if anything changes as your opening/closing the door but I think your going to have to get the panel off sooner or later. Rainer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryl Kaupp" To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 2:46 PM Subject: [naktalk] Car stereo question > > Heading out to fix the stereo in my old 300zx. > > The left front speaker is acting up. Every once in a while it starts > breaking up -- but then it self corrects. Or sometimes you can give the > door > panel a whack and it corrects. I have a woofer, tweeter, and crossover > system. Since sometimes the speaker/woofer sounds fine and can go for long > periods without acting up I'm thinking the speaker itself is probably okay > and that it is likely either a corroded connection or a failing crossover. > > Any opinions on this? Taking the door panel off is a major PITB so the > task > has been put off for a while. > > Thanks, > Cheryl > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Sun Jun 19 06:05:17 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 18:05:17 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport In-Reply-To: References: <000f01cc2cc7$b7e1bbc0$27a53340$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net><848358.50041.qm@web160615.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><000901cc2df3$51bdfc50$f539f4f0$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Message-ID: Was just joking anyway. But if Norman wants to give it to me I'll even pay shipping. :-) What would life be if we couldn't have our dreams? I did run an ad in Craigslist Big Island, "Looking for Nakamichi Cassette Decks" under "Wanted to Buy". So far the only response was someone with a CR1A that wanted to know how many $$$$ he would get. He hasn't responded to questions about its operational status or cosmetic condition. I'll just keep running the ad. Maybe someday someone in the middle of the big pond will have a CR7A, ZX7, 1000ZXL, or Dragon that they want to sell. In the meantime it wouldn't hurt to have some spare parts. _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 4:18 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport There are no 'last legs' for Naks Cheryl. Naktalkers see to that. Cheers! Bala Sent from my iPhone On Jun 19, 2011, at 11:00, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: Hi Norman, On the tires I had the inside diameter was the same. It was the outside diameter that was different. The thickness/width was the same. The one I put on last was the shorter tire. Because the inside diameter and width were the same they both went on the wheel just fine. When it had the tall tire on it seemed to exacerbate the problem with the saggy idler arm. All of the angles looked off. The saggy idler made the tire ride too far forward on the reel and the tall tire seemed to make the tire assembly want to tilt backwards at the top. If the tire was the right size I would have expected it to move a little differently than it did. The planes of the reels, idler arm, and tire assembly were just all weird looking. When the shorter tire was installed it looked more like I would have expected considering the saggy idler arm. I kept the original tire and threw it in a used part baggie for some silly reason (I cut it off so it isn't very useful). The factory original is definitely 17mm. The tall one that I cut off seems to be about 18.5mm but is kind of hard to measure due to the way I cut it off. But it definitely has a bigger outside diameter and the inside is the same. Right now I can't find the second tall tire I had. I think I set it aside to investigate and then forgot all about it. Gary probably found it and used it for a washer. The 581 made some ugly noises before I put the small tire on it and bent the idler arm. During play it sounded like a car that kept running off the road. Your 1000ZXL must be on it last legs. I think you should give it to me and buy a new one. :-) As the wheel moves from one reel to the other to change directions/functions, it is critical that it lines up properly in the correct planes with the reels, the tire should ride flat on the reel, and there has to be enough tension/traction from the tire on the wheel to actually turn the reel. If there is a problem the REW mechanism will stop. Have you watched it from above while running the deck through PLAY, FF, REW to watch what happens? Do you have a spring problem? Too much or too little tension on the idler spring can affect the operation of the wheel/tire. Just watch and watch and watch... Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Norman van Wijnen Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 10:07 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Hey Cheryl, I never thought that there where any differences in idler tires for the classic transport but i measure here the plastic Wheel without the rubber and that plastic Wheel is 18 mm. I have (also from a belt kit ) the 17 and the 19 mm version. In my 1000ZXL where i am working on i have replaced the idler tire and i think that i have to use the 19mm one instead of the 17 mm. At this moment i am running into problems (sometimes) with rewind. The idler makes a strange noise and then tape stops rewinding. Maybe a wrong angle or a wrong size. When fitting the old rubber back on the Wheel the Total size is 19,6 mm . Do you know what the size is of the idler you use there? It seems to me impossible to put a 17 mm tire on a Wheel made for 19 mm tires . Trying that gives a sort of bended rubber. Regards Norman Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens Cheryl Kaupp Verzonden: zaterdag 18 juni 2011 20:36 Aan: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Onderwerp: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Weird that anyone should mention this. Quite a while back I ordered 2 tires from some guy on ebay. More recently I ordered 3 belt kits from Fred Mars. When the belt kits arrived, I tossed the 2 tires into the bags with the Mars belts and thought nothing of it. After I got to working on my 581 I noticed that the tire was not riding correctly on the take-up reel. It was riding on the split between the 2 halves and making noise during PLAY and damaging the tire. The idler arm was sagging and causing an angular problem with the tire assembly's contact with the reel. I inquired of ESL about a new one (yikes -- $145). Jeff at ESL said to heat the old one and bend it so that it rides correctly on the reel. He said that they have to bend all the new plastic ones too. So the last time I worked on it I did the heat gun thing to bend the idler arm. But before doing so, I got out my bag of parts so that I could replace the tire again. Where it had been riding on the split it had abraded the center portion of the "tread" area. It was then that I noticed that the tires in my belt bags were not the same. One of them was significantly taller (2mm sounds just about right) and it turns out that I had one of the taller ones on the 581. After watching the movement of the tire/wheel for about 5 minutes, it seemed that it would ride better with the smaller tire. So I changed it and it did indeed ride better but still wasn't quite right. So after changing the tire the idler arm got the heat gun treatment. With the smaller tire and the idler arm bent to a better angle, it rides correctly on the take-up reel. It's not quite perfect on the re-wind reel, but it is good. I was afraid to heat/bend it too many times. That was fun. The 2 different sized tires really had me scratching my head. It's likely that the guy on ebay sold the 19mm tires. Buyer beware. This is the first time I've ever heard anyone mention it. Thanks for solving my mystery! Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 2:06 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Hi Norman, So far all the transports I have come across use the 17mm size as a standard. Regards, Bala _____ From: Norman van Wijnen To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Fri, June 17, 2011 6:22:37 PM Subject: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Hi , I ordered on ebay some idler tires for classic transport. The seller told me that there where (for the classic transport) two kind of idler tires used , one with 17 mm and one with 19 mm size. I have never heard about that difference before and wonder if you guys knows. He mentioned that some classic transports (1000ZXL) for the European market uses different sizes (19 mm). Regards Norman ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adrian at mechner.net Sun Jun 19 10:06:35 2011 From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 01:06:35 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport In-Reply-To: References: <000f01cc2cc7$b7e1bbc0$27a53340$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net><848358.50041.qm@web160615.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><000901cc2df3$51bdfc50$f539f4f0$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Message-ID: <000601cc2e57$cf66b930$6e342b90$@net> Why don't you go for this one: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=300566821940&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT Adrian From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 9:05 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Was just joking anyway. But if Norman wants to give it to me I'll even pay shipping. :-) What would life be if we couldn't have our dreams? I did run an ad in Craigslist Big Island, "Looking for Nakamichi Cassette Decks" under "Wanted to Buy". So far the only response was someone with a CR1A that wanted to know how many $$$$ he would get. He hasn't responded to questions about its operational status or cosmetic condition. I'll just keep running the ad. Maybe someday someone in the middle of the big pond will have a CR7A, ZX7, 1000ZXL, or Dragon that they want to sell. In the meantime it wouldn't hurt to have some spare parts. _____ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Sun Jun 19 14:13:50 2011 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 14:13:50 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport In-Reply-To: References: <000f01cc2cc7$b7e1bbc0$27a53340$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> <848358.50041.qm@web160615.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <000901cc2df3$51bdfc50$f539f4f0$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Message-ID: <000c01cc2e7a$5aa45a30$0fed0e90$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Hey Cheryl, Its a great machine the 1000 ZXL . I never owned one but the last year i placed advertisements here in the Netherlands on something called "Marktplaats". Its a dutch sell and buy site , something like a local ebay. One person gives me a reaction that he had a 1000 ZXL for me with a "little" problem. I was very happy becauset he machine came complete with the Dolby C unit and the RM300 remote control. I did an revision of the classic transport and i replaced all orange caps. Some caps in the power supply where bad and i replaced some ic 's . Further i replaced all the light bulbs for led's. All is working now and the machine sounds better then my CR7 and Dragon. Better to be honest than i had expected. Now i have to do a complete calibration off the machine but i need a 5 hz RAMM tape. That tape is hard to find i think. I will again replace the idler tire and let you know the results. Regards Norman Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailtlo:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens Cheryl Kaupp Verzonden: zondag 19 juni 2011 3:00 Aan: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Onderwerp: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Hi Norman, On the tires I had the inside diameter was the same. It was the outside diameter that was different. The thickness/width was the same. The one I put on last was the shorter tire. Because the inside diameter and width were the same they both went on the wheel just fine. When it had the tall tire on it seemed to exacerbate the problem with the saggy idler arm. All of the angles looked off. The saggy idler made the tire ride too far forward on the reel and the tall tire seemed to make the tire assembly want to tilt backwards at the top. If the tire was the right size I would have expected it to move a little differently than it did. The planes of the reels, idler arm, and tire assembly were just all weird looking. When the shorter tire was installed it looked more like I would have expected considering the saggy idler arm. I kept the original tire and threw it in a used part baggie for some silly reason (I cut it off so it isn't very useful). The factory original is definitely 17mm. The tall one that I cut off seems to be about 18.5mm but is kind of hard to measure due to the way I cut it off. But it definitely has a bigger outside diameter and the inside is the same. Right now I can't find the second tall tire I had. I think I set it aside to investigate and then forgot all about it. Gary probably found it and used it for a washer. The 581 made some ugly noises before I put the small tire on it and bent the idler arm. During play it sounded like a car that kept running off the road. Your 1000ZXL must be on it last legs. I think you should give it to me and buy a new one. :-) As the wheel moves from one reel to the other to change directions/functions, it is critical that it lines up properly in the correct planes with the reels, the tire should ride flat on the reel, and there has to be enough tension/traction from the tire on the wheel to actually turn the reel. If there is a problem the REW mechanism will stop. Have you watched it from above while running the deck through PLAY, FF, REW to watch what happens? Do you have a spring problem? Too much or too little tension on the idler spring can affect the operation of the wheel/tire. Just watch and watch and watch... Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Norman van Wijnen Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 10:07 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Hey Cheryl, I never thought that there where any differences in idler tires for the classic transport but i measure here the plastic Wheel without the rubber and that plastic Wheel is 18 mm. I have (also from a belt kit ) the 17 and the 19 mm version. In my 1000ZXL where i am working on i have replaced the idler tire and i think that i have to use the 19mm one instead of the 17 mm. At this moment i am running into problems (sometimes) with rewind. The idler makes a strange noise and then tape stops rewinding. Maybe a wrong angle or a wrong size. When fitting the old rubber back on the Wheel the Total size is 19,6 mm . Do you know what the size is of the idler you use there? It seems to me impossible to put a 17 mm tire on a Wheel made for 19 mm tires . Trying that gives a sort of bended rubber. Regards Norman Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens Cheryl Kaupp Verzonden: zaterdag 18 juni 2011 20:36 Aan: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Onderwerp: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Weird that anyone should mention this. Quite a while back I ordered 2 tires from some guy on ebay. More recently I ordered 3 belt kits from Fred Mars. When the belt kits arrived, I tossed the 2 tires into the bags with the Mars belts and thought nothing of it. After I got to working on my 581 I noticed that the tire was not riding correctly on the take-up reel. It was riding on the split between the 2 halves and making noise during PLAY and damaging the tire. The idler arm was sagging and causing an angular problem with the tire assembly's contact with the reel. I inquired of ESL about a new one (yikes -- $145). Jeff at ESL said to heat the old one and bend it so that it rides correctly on the reel. He said that they have to bend all the new plastic ones too. So the last time I worked on it I did the heat gun thing to bend the idler arm. But before doing so, I got out my bag of parts so that I could replace the tire again. Where it had been riding on the split it had abraded the center portion of the "tread" area. It was then that I noticed that the tires in my belt bags were not the same. One of them was significantly taller (2mm sounds just about right) and it turns out that I had one of the taller ones on the 581. After watching the movement of the tire/wheel for about 5 minutes, it seemed that it would ride better with the smaller tire. So I changed it and it did indeed ride better but still wasn't quite right. So after changing the tire the idler arm got the heat gun treatment. With the smaller tire and the idler arm bent to a better angle, it rides correctly on the take-up reel. It's not quite perfect on the re-wind reel, but it is good. I was afraid to heat/bend it too many times. That was fun. The 2 different sized tires really had me scratching my head. It's likely that the guy on ebay sold the 19mm tires. Buyer beware. This is the first time I've ever heard anyone mention it. Thanks for solving my mystery! Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 2:06 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Hi Norman, So far all the transports I have come across use the 17mm size as a standard. Regards, Bala _____ From: Norman van Wijnen To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Fri, June 17, 2011 6:22:37 PM Subject: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Hi , I ordered on ebay some idler tires for classic transport. The seller told me that there where (for the classic transport) two kind of idler tires used , one with 17 mm and one with 19 mm size. I have never heard about that difference before and wonder if you guys knows. He mentioned that some classic transports (1000ZXL) for the European market uses different sizes (19 mm). Regards Norman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sadler at hawaii.edu Sun Jun 19 11:39:15 2011 From: sadler at hawaii.edu (Daniel Sadler) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 23:39:15 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 Repair In-Reply-To: <1215430978-1308308751-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-877411058-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry> References: <1215430978-1308308751-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-877411058-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: Again, thanks Perry and Cheryl for sharing your knowledge and experience, Perry, FWIW, serial number is A313 37807. We must be on the same wavelength, before getting your email I fashioned a washer out of a plastic business card using a hand drill and file. Seems to fit ok and I have enough business card left for a dozen more. I wasn't sure how close to push it up against the bearing. Figure it shouldn't be too tight as it looks like the capstan has a little float at the thrust bearing end. I also noticed that the belt doesn't ride exactly in the center of the flywheels. It rides closer to the thrust bearing end, a 1-2 mm away from the edge So maybe I should back the washer off a little. Anyways, after putting everything back together, it worked! FF and REW seemed ok, a little noisy, but that seems to change with different cassettes. I spent a couple of hours enjoying some old tapes and went to bed happy. Well happiness is a fleeting. When I tried it today, it worked right up until I pressed record. I can't remember the exact sequence of buttons I pushed, but now it won't play, FF or REW. It's going to be a few days/weeks before I can get back to it but I'm thinking that I might not have gotten all electrical connectors tight, especially the wire to the motor that drives the transport gear. I'll make sure to look carefully at the descriptions you both forwarded on evaluating/cleaning/lubricating the transport gear action. They are be a big help. Cheryl, I especially like your idea on keeping track of loose screws as I have already duplicated your experience of bumping them off the work towel. As I said, it might be a while before I can peek inside again, but when I do, will let you know how it goes. Dan On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 1:05 AM, wrote: > Of all the Nakamichi parts to lose, that's the easiest to replace. Only > newer classic transports have these washers, so you have a nice high serial > number Nakamichi LX. You can substitute anything that works. Sometimes you > see something very similar retaining screws on a light switch for instance. > I've made them in the past, with similar material and a drill bit 85% the > size of the capstan and a dremel and file. > > Clean away all the old grease you can, with IA especially on the thrust > (sunken in ball bearing )bearing Use as many swabs as it takes. Use very > small amounts of light light grease on any sliding points. This is the same > grease that turns to glue on the pressure roller arms, so check the ease of > motion of them. " Cracking" the transport is not as bad as it looks and is > worth it to replace the idler tire. I sent a complete write up to Cheryl, > maybe she still has it and can forward it to you. The transport friction on > LX-3s tends to be higher than others because of the 2 head slave cable > required to switch dolby between encode and decode whether you are in record > or play mode. You should be able to stick you finger in the unpowered > transport and rotate the large white gear easily to make the heads rise and > drop. If you did a really good job, it should try to rotate back on its own > to the stop position when you are half way. If it is hard to rotate, it > needs to be cleaned and! > lubed. > Perry Esposito - From my phone > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sadler at hawaii.edu Sun Jun 19 11:48:04 2011 From: sadler at hawaii.edu (Daniel Sadler) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 23:48:04 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 repair In-Reply-To: <913281.90137.qm@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <94086168-B3A5-43B3-B99F-BA5E74D66DB6@hawaii.edu> <913281.90137.qm@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bob, thanks for the suggestion. I'm going to check next trip to the hardware store. Dan On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 6:43 AM, Bob Naylor wrote: > Dan, I'm not sure where you live but here in CA the "Ace" hardware stores > have a lot of nylon washers and nylon parts that can be used to make > something. the selection I've seen is incredible. > Bob N > > --- On *Thu, 6/16/11, Sadler Dan * wrote: > > > From: Sadler Dan > Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-3 repair > To: perry.nak at comcast.net, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" < > naktalk at naks.com> > Date: Thursday, June 16, 2011, 3:25 PM > > > Perry, > > Fortunately, as you predicted, the little black washers were still lightly > stuck to the bearings. Unfortunately, I can't find the other translucent > washer. I've looked all around the mechanism in case it had lodged itself > but not luck yet. A chance it made into the vacuum cleaner bag so will > check there too. I'm sure few of you experienced technicians aren't > surprised at my carelessness. I'm definitely gaining a quick appreciation > for the level of expertise it took/takes to service these machines. > > So how badly do I need that washer? I was thinking I might I might be able > to have a friend machine one. > > Does anyone know of a source for these washers? > > I'm open to other ideas as well. > > Thanks for patient help, > > Dan > > On Jun 15, 2011, at 1:32 AM, perry.nak at comcast.netwrote: > > > The translucent washer is the capstan oil retainer. There is also a > smaller but same ID black washer that goes under it that is hopefully still > stuck to the bearing where the capstans emerge near the pressure rollers. > The other capstan has the same, but different hole. These keep the oil from > the bearings from traveling down the capstan to the tape, and limit the > amount of debris that can get to the bearing. Any light grease like for a > reel is fine. I use Phonolube. Done touch the thrust screws. In general, > they are fine where they are. The play is supposed to be there. The foam in > the door release spring is supposed to be there. It keeps the spring from > ringing. I use isopropyl alcohol to clean the flywheels. 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URL: From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Sun Jun 19 20:06:38 2011 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 20:06:38 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport In-Reply-To: <3E9C55E7-2B1A-4FFD-8392-C2E9D64BECC5@gmail.com> References: <000f01cc2cc7$b7e1bbc0$27a53340$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> <3E9C55E7-2B1A-4FFD-8392-C2E9D64BECC5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <002401cc2eab$a2b99b60$e82cd220$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Thanks Gerhard, Thats usefull information. You have a lot of decks there. Regards Norman -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens Gerhard Wartha Verzonden: zaterdag 18 juni 2011 15:30 Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Onderwerp: Re: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Hi Normal, This picture was made with the original Idler from a 582. All my Decks (8) with classic transport have the same tire. The Decks are 480,482, 580, 582, ZX-7, ZX-9, Dragon, 1000ZXL regards regards From fred at marrscom.com Sun Jun 19 19:06:14 2011 From: fred at marrscom.com (Fred Marrs) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 12:06:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 6-19-11 Idler tire SIZE classic transport Message-ID: <4DFE2C86.7000905@marrscom.com> Hello Members, The discussion about Idler Tire sized got my attention. To Date, approximately 1,875 Classic ( Large ) tires have been shipped. Not that it means anything, but I have never had a complaint from a customer ? I also had Willy check them out ( Last Year ? ), and they passed with no problems. These tires DO come from Japan. Here are the Exact Dimensions. O.D. 17.59mm, I.D. 11.75mm, Width. 3.0698mm . I Encourage any member to PLEASE contact me Directly, if you have experienced problems with my Classic Idler Tire !! Take Care. Fred M. fred at marrscom.com From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Sun Jun 19 21:09:55 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 09:09:55 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport In-Reply-To: <000601cc2e57$cf66b930$6e342b90$@net> References: <000f01cc2cc7$b7e1bbc0$27a53340$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net><848358.50041.qm@web160615.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><000901cc2df3$51bdfc50$f539f4f0$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> <000601cc2e57$cf66b930$6e342b90$@net> Message-ID: Considered it but he wanted to ship it UPS to Hawaii---about $150. I avoid any sellers that will only ship UPS or FEDEX to Hawaii since it is a total rip-off. It costs about 4 times what the post office charges to ship anything to Hawaii using UPS/FEDEX. . The interesting part is the UPS and FEDEX rates from Hawaii to the mainland are competitive with the post office. Go figure. Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Mechner Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 10:07 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Why don't you go for this one: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=300566821940&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT Adrian From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 9:05 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Was just joking anyway. But if Norman wants to give it to me I'll even pay shipping. :-) What would life be if we couldn't have our dreams? I did run an ad in Craigslist Big Island, "Looking for Nakamichi Cassette Decks" under "Wanted to Buy". So far the only response was someone with a CR1A that wanted to know how many $$$$ he would get. He hasn't responded to questions about its operational status or cosmetic condition. I'll just keep running the ad. Maybe someday someone in the middle of the big pond will have a CR7A, ZX7, 1000ZXL, or Dragon that they want to sell. In the meantime it wouldn't hurt to have some spare parts. _____ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Sun Jun 19 21:15:33 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 09:15:33 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport In-Reply-To: <000c01cc2e7a$5aa45a30$0fed0e90$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> References: <000f01cc2cc7$b7e1bbc0$27a53340$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> <848358.50041.qm@web160615.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <000901cc2df3$51bdfc50$f539f4f0$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> <000c01cc2e7a$5aa45a30$0fed0e90$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Message-ID: Good luck! Let us know how it goes. I'd LOVE to have one.... I looked everywhere for that other tall tire but can't find it. Pretty certain Gary probably put it in his plumbing supplies. Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Norman van Wijnen Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 2:14 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Hey Cheryl, Its a great machine the 1000 ZXL . I never owned one but the last year i placed advertisements here in the Netherlands on something called "Marktplaats". Its a dutch sell and buy site , something like a local ebay. One person gives me a reaction that he had a 1000 ZXL for me with a "little" problem. I was very happy becauset he machine came complete with the Dolby C unit and the RM300 remote control. I did an revision of the classic transport and i replaced all orange caps. Some caps in the power supply where bad and i replaced some ic 's . Further i replaced all the light bulbs for led's. All is working now and the machine sounds better then my CR7 and Dragon. Better to be honest than i had expected. Now i have to do a complete calibration off the machine but i need a 5 hz RAMM tape. That tape is hard to find i think. I will again replace the idler tire and let you know the results. Regards Norman Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailtlo:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens Cheryl Kaupp Verzonden: zondag 19 juni 2011 3:00 Aan: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Onderwerp: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Hi Norman, On the tires I had the inside diameter was the same. It was the outside diameter that was different. The thickness/width was the same. The one I put on last was the shorter tire. Because the inside diameter and width were the same they both went on the wheel just fine. When it had the tall tire on it seemed to exacerbate the problem with the saggy idler arm. All of the angles looked off. The saggy idler made the tire ride too far forward on the reel and the tall tire seemed to make the tire assembly want to tilt backwards at the top. If the tire was the right size I would have expected it to move a little differently than it did. The planes of the reels, idler arm, and tire assembly were just all weird looking. When the shorter tire was installed it looked more like I would have expected considering the saggy idler arm. I kept the original tire and threw it in a used part baggie for some silly reason (I cut it off so it isn't very useful). The factory original is definitely 17mm. The tall one that I cut off seems to be about 18.5mm but is kind of hard to measure due to the way I cut it off. But it definitely has a bigger outside diameter and the inside is the same. Right now I can't find the second tall tire I had. I think I set it aside to investigate and then forgot all about it. Gary probably found it and used it for a washer. The 581 made some ugly noises before I put the small tire on it and bent the idler arm. During play it sounded like a car that kept running off the road. Your 1000ZXL must be on it last legs. I think you should give it to me and buy a new one. :-) As the wheel moves from one reel to the other to change directions/functions, it is critical that it lines up properly in the correct planes with the reels, the tire should ride flat on the reel, and there has to be enough tension/traction from the tire on the wheel to actually turn the reel. If there is a problem the REW mechanism will stop. Have you watched it from above while running the deck through PLAY, FF, REW to watch what happens? Do you have a spring problem? Too much or too little tension on the idler spring can affect the operation of the wheel/tire. Just watch and watch and watch... Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Norman van Wijnen Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 10:07 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Hey Cheryl, I never thought that there where any differences in idler tires for the classic transport but i measure here the plastic Wheel without the rubber and that plastic Wheel is 18 mm. I have (also from a belt kit ) the 17 and the 19 mm version. In my 1000ZXL where i am working on i have replaced the idler tire and i think that i have to use the 19mm one instead of the 17 mm. At this moment i am running into problems (sometimes) with rewind. The idler makes a strange noise and then tape stops rewinding. Maybe a wrong angle or a wrong size. When fitting the old rubber back on the Wheel the Total size is 19,6 mm . Do you know what the size is of the idler you use there? It seems to me impossible to put a 17 mm tire on a Wheel made for 19 mm tires . Trying that gives a sort of bended rubber. Regards Norman Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens Cheryl Kaupp Verzonden: zaterdag 18 juni 2011 20:36 Aan: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Onderwerp: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Weird that anyone should mention this. Quite a while back I ordered 2 tires from some guy on ebay. More recently I ordered 3 belt kits from Fred Mars. When the belt kits arrived, I tossed the 2 tires into the bags with the Mars belts and thought nothing of it. After I got to working on my 581 I noticed that the tire was not riding correctly on the take-up reel. It was riding on the split between the 2 halves and making noise during PLAY and damaging the tire. The idler arm was sagging and causing an angular problem with the tire assembly's contact with the reel. I inquired of ESL about a new one (yikes -- $145). Jeff at ESL said to heat the old one and bend it so that it rides correctly on the reel. He said that they have to bend all the new plastic ones too. So the last time I worked on it I did the heat gun thing to bend the idler arm. But before doing so, I got out my bag of parts so that I could replace the tire again. Where it had been riding on the split it had abraded the center portion of the "tread" area. It was then that I noticed that the tires in my belt bags were not the same. One of them was significantly taller (2mm sounds just about right) and it turns out that I had one of the taller ones on the 581. After watching the movement of the tire/wheel for about 5 minutes, it seemed that it would ride better with the smaller tire. So I changed it and it did indeed ride better but still wasn't quite right. So after changing the tire the idler arm got the heat gun treatment. With the smaller tire and the idler arm bent to a better angle, it rides correctly on the take-up reel. It's not quite perfect on the re-wind reel, but it is good. I was afraid to heat/bend it too many times. That was fun. The 2 different sized tires really had me scratching my head. It's likely that the guy on ebay sold the 19mm tires. Buyer beware. This is the first time I've ever heard anyone mention it. Thanks for solving my mystery! Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 2:06 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Hi Norman, So far all the transports I have come across use the 17mm size as a standard. Regards, Bala _____ From: Norman van Wijnen To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Fri, June 17, 2011 6:22:37 PM Subject: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Hi , I ordered on ebay some idler tires for classic transport. The seller told me that there where (for the classic transport) two kind of idler tires used , one with 17 mm and one with 19 mm size. I have never heard about that difference before and wonder if you guys knows. He mentioned that some classic transports (1000ZXL) for the European market uses different sizes (19 mm). Regards Norman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Sun Jun 19 22:04:03 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 10:04:03 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] 6-19-11 Idler tire SIZE classic transport In-Reply-To: <4DFE2C86.7000905@marrscom.com> References: <4DFE2C86.7000905@marrscom.com> Message-ID: In my case, the tires that came with your kits were fine. I had problems with the 2 tires ordered quite some time back from a vendor on ebay. They were a "tires only" order. Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred Marrs Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 7:06 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: fred at marrscom.com Subject: [naktalk] 6-19-11 Idler tire SIZE classic transport Hello Members, The discussion about Idler Tire sized got my attention. To Date, approximately 1,875 Classic ( Large ) tires have been shipped. Not that it means anything, but I have never had a complaint from a customer ? I also had Willy check them out ( Last Year ? ), and they passed with no problems. These tires DO come from Japan. Here are the Exact Dimensions. O.D. 17.59mm, I.D. 11.75mm, Width. 3.0698mm . I Encourage any member to PLEASE contact me Directly, if you have experienced problems with my Classic Idler Tire !! Take Care. Fred M. fred at marrscom.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Sun Jun 19 22:16:53 2011 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 22:16:53 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 6-19-11 Idler tire SIZE classic transport In-Reply-To: <4DFE2C86.7000905@marrscom.com> References: <4DFE2C86.7000905@marrscom.com> Message-ID: <005101cc2ebd$d4cc09a0$7e641ce0$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Hi Fred, First i want to thank you for your great support on Nak decks with these great belts you deliver. They work very well. But there is a discussion going on if there where two different sizes of the idler tires for the classic transport. That discussion starts because i ordered a idler tire on ebay with a guy who noticed me that there where 2 sizes of that idler tire. (17 mm and 19 mm) I have never seen any diffences on idler tires for classic transports. Maybe you know from your resources if there are two different ones or does the seller on ebay does not know where he is talking about? This is what the seller mailed me: "In voice sent and discounted for shipping 3 items . The auction is for 17mm tires - please be sure this is correct and they are NOT 19mm tires used in some 480.s, Dragons, 680,s and ZXL series especially in Europe." That was where for me the "light goes out". The seller called n4229k. Regards Norman -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens Fred Marrs Verzonden: zondag 19 juni 2011 19:06 Aan: naktalk at naks.com CC: fred at marrscom.com Onderwerp: [naktalk] 6-19-11 Idler tire SIZE classic transport Hello Members, The discussion about Idler Tire sized got my attention. To Date, approximately 1,875 Classic ( Large ) tires have been shipped. Not that it means anything, but I have never had a complaint from a customer ? I also had Willy check them out ( Last Year ? ), and they passed with no problems. These tires DO come from Japan. Here are the Exact Dimensions. O.D. 17.59mm, I.D. 11.75mm, Width. 3.0698mm . I Encourage any member to PLEASE contact me Directly, if you have experienced problems with my Classic Idler Tire !! Take Care. Fred M. fred at marrscom.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Sun Jun 19 22:21:00 2011 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 22:21:00 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport In-Reply-To: References: <000f01cc2cc7$b7e1bbc0$27a53340$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net><848358.50041.qm@web160615.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><000901cc2df3$51bdfc50$f539f4f0$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> <000601cc2e57$cf66b930$6e342b90$@net> Message-ID: <000001cc2ebe$67cbdfa0$37639ee0$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Mm Cheryl, I have seen a nice 700ZXL. If i where you .. http://cgi.ebay.com/NAKAMICHI-700-ZXL-Computing-Cassette-Deck-/250841492570? pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0 &hash=item3a67516c5a Norman Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens Cheryl Kaupp Verzonden: zondag 19 juni 2011 21:10 Aan: adrian at mechner.net; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Onderwerp: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Considered it but he wanted to ship it UPS to Hawaii---about $150. I avoid any sellers that will only ship UPS or FEDEX to Hawaii since it is a total rip-off. It costs about 4 times what the post office charges to ship anything to Hawaii using UPS/FEDEX. . The interesting part is the UPS and FEDEX rates from Hawaii to the mainland are competitive with the post office. Go figure. Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Mechner Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 10:07 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Why don't you go for this one: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=300566821940&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT Adrian From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 9:05 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Was just joking anyway. But if Norman wants to give it to me I'll even pay shipping. :-) What would life be if we couldn't have our dreams? I did run an ad in Craigslist Big Island, "Looking for Nakamichi Cassette Decks" under "Wanted to Buy". So far the only response was someone with a CR1A that wanted to know how many $$$$ he would get. He hasn't responded to questions about its operational status or cosmetic condition. I'll just keep running the ad. Maybe someday someone in the middle of the big pond will have a CR7A, ZX7, 1000ZXL, or Dragon that they want to sell. In the meantime it wouldn't hurt to have some spare parts. _____ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Mon Jun 20 00:33:36 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 12:33:36 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] 6-19-11 Idler tire SIZE classic transport In-Reply-To: <005101cc2ebd$d4cc09a0$7e641ce0$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> References: <4DFE2C86.7000905@marrscom.com> <005101cc2ebd$d4cc09a0$7e641ce0$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Message-ID: Looked up my old purchase on ebay and the 2 tires I bought were also from n4229k. But I never received an email from him inquiring as to what size tire I needed. Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Norman van Wijnen Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 10:17 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] 6-19-11 Idler tire SIZE classic transport Hi Fred, First i want to thank you for your great support on Nak decks with these great belts you deliver. They work very well. But there is a discussion going on if there where two different sizes of the idler tires for the classic transport. That discussion starts because i ordered a idler tire on ebay with a guy who noticed me that there where 2 sizes of that idler tire. (17 mm and 19 mm) I have never seen any diffences on idler tires for classic transports. Maybe you know from your resources if there are two different ones or does the seller on ebay does not know where he is talking about? This is what the seller mailed me: "In voice sent and discounted for shipping 3 items . The auction is for 17mm tires - please be sure this is correct and they are NOT 19mm tires used in some 480.s, Dragons, 680,s and ZXL series especially in Europe." That was where for me the "light goes out". The seller called n4229k. Regards Norman -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens Fred Marrs Verzonden: zondag 19 juni 2011 19:06 Aan: naktalk at naks.com CC: fred at marrscom.com Onderwerp: [naktalk] 6-19-11 Idler tire SIZE classic transport Hello Members, The discussion about Idler Tire sized got my attention. To Date, approximately 1,875 Classic ( Large ) tires have been shipped. Not that it means anything, but I have never had a complaint from a customer ? I also had Willy check them out ( Last Year ? ), and they passed with no problems. These tires DO come from Japan. Here are the Exact Dimensions. O.D. 17.59mm, I.D. 11.75mm, Width. 3.0698mm . I Encourage any member to PLEASE contact me Directly, if you have experienced problems with my Classic Idler Tire !! Take Care. Fred M. fred at marrscom.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 20 04:36:14 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 19:36:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport In-Reply-To: <000c01cc2e7a$5aa45a30$0fed0e90$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> References: <000f01cc2cc7$b7e1bbc0$27a53340$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> <848358.50041.qm@web160615.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <000901cc2df3$51bdfc50$f539f4f0$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> <000c01cc2e7a$5aa45a30$0fed0e90$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Message-ID: <46609.21509.qm@web160614.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hi Norman, Another one on the path to cassette bliss! The 5Hz RAMM tape is incredibly difficult to find - it is also difficult to make because most decks do not record correctly at that level. Good Luck Cheers Bala ________________________________ From: Norman van Wijnen To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sun, June 19, 2011 10:13:50 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Hey Cheryl, Its a great machine the 1000 ZXL . I never owned one but the last year i placed advertisements here in the Netherlands on something called “Marktplaats”. Its a dutch sell and buy site , something like a local ebay. One person gives me a reaction that he had a 1000 ZXL for me with a “little“ problem. I was very happy becauset he machine came complete with the Dolby C unit and the RM300 remote control. I did an revision of the classic transport and i replaced all orange caps. Some caps in the power supply where bad and i replaced some ic ’s . Further i replaced all the light bulbs for led’s. All is working now and the machine sounds better then my CR7 and Dragon. Better to be honest than i had expected. Now i have to do a complete calibration off the machine but i need a 5 hz RAMM tape. That tape is hard to find i think. I will again replace the idler tire and let you know the results. Regards Norman Van:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailtlo:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens Cheryl Kaupp Verzonden: zondag 19 juni 2011 3:00 Aan: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Onderwerp: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Hi Norman, On the tires I had the inside diameter was the same. It was the outside diameter that was different. The thickness/width was the same. The one I put on last was the shorter tire. Because the inside diameter and width were the same they both went on the wheel just fine. When it had the tall tire on it seemed to exacerbate the problem with the saggy idler arm. All of the angles looked off. The saggy idler made the tire ride too far forward on the reel and the tall tire seemed to make the tire assembly want to tilt backwards at the top. If the tire was the right size I would have expected it to move a little differently than it did. The planes of the reels, idler arm, and tire assembly were just all weird looking. When the shorter tire was installed it looked more like I would have expected considering the saggy idler arm. I kept the original tire and threw it in a used part baggie for some silly reason (I cut it off so it isn't very useful). The factory original is definitely 17mm. The tall one that I cut off seems to be about 18.5mm but is kind of hard to measure due to the way I cut it off. But it definitely has a bigger outside diameter and the inside is the same. Right now I can't find the second tall tire I had. I think I set it aside to investigate and then forgot all about it. Gary probably found it and used it for a washer. The 581 made some ugly noises before I put the small tire on it and bent the idler arm. During play it sounded like a car that kept running off the road. Your 1000ZXL must be on it last legs. I think you should give it to me and buy a new one. :-) As the wheel moves from one reel to the other to change directions/functions, it is critical that it lines up properly in the correct planes with the reels, the tire should ride flat on the reel, and there has to be enough tension/traction from the tire on the wheel to actually turn the reel. If there is a problem the REW mechanism will stop. Have you watched it from above while running the deck through PLAY, FF, REW to watch what happens? Do you have a spring problem? Too much or too little tension on the idler spring can affect the operation of the wheel/tire. Just watch and watch and watch... Aloha, Cheryl ________________________________ From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Norman van Wijnen Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 10:07 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Hey Cheryl, I never thought that there where any differences in idler tires for the classic transport but i measure here the plastic Wheel without the rubber and that plastic Wheel is 18 mm. I have (also from a belt kit ) the 17 and the 19 mm version. In my 1000ZXL where i am working on i have replaced the idler tire and i think that i have to use the 19mm one instead of the 17 mm. At this moment i am running into problems (sometimes) with rewind. The idler makes a strange noise and then tape stops rewinding. Maybe a wrong angle or a wrong size. When fitting the old rubber back on the Wheel the Total size is 19,6 mm . Do you know what the size is of the idler you use there? It seems to me impossible to put a 17 mm tire on a Wheel made for 19 mm tires . Trying that gives a sort of bended rubber. Regards Norman Van:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens Cheryl Kaupp Verzonden: zaterdag 18 juni 2011 20:36 Aan: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Onderwerp: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Weird that anyone should mention this. Quite a while back I ordered 2 tires from some guy on ebay. More recently I ordered 3 belt kits from Fred Mars. When the belt kits arrived, I tossed the 2 tires into the bags with the Mars belts and thought nothing of it. After I got to working on my 581 I noticed that the tire was not riding correctly on the take-up reel. It was riding on the split between the 2 halves and making noise during PLAY and damaging the tire. The idler arm was sagging and causing an angular problem with the tire assembly's contact with the reel. I inquired of ESL about a new one (yikes -- $145). Jeff at ESL said to heat the old one and bend it so that it rides correctly on the reel. He said that they have to bend all the new plastic ones too. So the last time I worked on it I did the heat gun thing to bend the idler arm. But before doing so, I got out my bag of parts so that I could replace the tire again. Where it had been riding on the split it had abraded the center portion of the "tread" area. It was then that I noticed that the tires in my belt bags were not the same. One of them was significantly taller (2mm sounds just about right) and it turns out that I had one of the taller ones on the 581. After watching the movement of the tire/wheel for about 5 minutes, it seemed that it would ride better with the smaller tire. So I changed it and it did indeed ride better but still wasn't quite right. So after changing the tire the idler arm got the heat gun treatment. With the smaller tire and the idler arm bent to a better angle, it rides correctly on the take-up reel. It's not quite perfect on the re-wind reel, but it is good. I was afraid to heat/bend it too many times. That was fun. The 2 different sized tires really had me scratching my head. It's likely that the guy on ebay sold the 19mm tires. Buyer beware. This is the first time I've ever heard anyone mention it. Thanks for solving my mystery! Aloha, Cheryl ________________________________ From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 2:06 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Hi Norman, So far all the transports I have come across use the 17mm size as a standard. Regards, Bala ________________________________ From:Norman van Wijnen To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Fri, June 17, 2011 6:22:37 PM Subject: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Hi , I ordered on ebay some idler tires for classic transport. The seller told me that there where (for the classic transport) two kind of idler tires used , one with 17 mm and one with 19 mm size. I have never heard about that difference before and wonder if you guys knows. He mentioned that some classic transports (1000ZXL) for the European market uses different sizes (19 mm). Regards Norman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards Norman Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens Bala Ganesh Chandra Verzonden: maandag 20 juni 2011 4:36 Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Onderwerp: Re: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Hi Norman, Another one on the path to cassette bliss! The 5Hz RAMM tape is incredibly difficult to find - it is also difficult to make because most decks do not record correctly at that level. Good Luck Cheers Bala -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bala Sent from my iPhone On Jun 20, 2011, at 14:48, "Norman van Wijnen" wrote: > Thanks Bala, > > > > The deck is functioning well but i want to make these adjustment to calibrate everything to specs. > > Is there a possibility that Tom , who makes also the track alignment tape, also makes the 5 hz tape? > > > > Regards > > > > Norman > > > > Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens Bala Ganesh Chandra > Verzonden: maandag 20 juni 2011 4:36 > Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Onderwerp: Re: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport > > > > Hi Norman, > > Another one on the path to cassette bliss! The 5Hz RAMM tape is incredibly difficult to find - it is also difficult to make because most decks do not record correctly at that level. > > Good Luck > > Cheers > Bala > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net Mon Jun 20 08:33:56 2011 From: N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net (N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 08:33:56 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] 5hz Ramm tape - calibration of the 1000ZXL In-Reply-To: References: <000f01cc2cc7$b7e1bbc0$27a53340$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> <848358.50041.qm@web160615.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <000901cc2df3$51bdfc50$f539f4f0$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> <000c01cc2e7a$5aa45a30$0fed0e90$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> <46609.21509.qm@web160614.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <000901cc2f05$41623980$c426ac80$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Message-ID: <1948.145.44.29.96.1308551636.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> Hi Bala, Do you have some workaround for the RAMM calibration Op Ma, 20 juni, 2011 7:58 am schreef Bala Ganesh: > I am not sure anyone makes the tape although it can be tried by Luis or > Tom which would be good news. Normally I tweak the ramm in other ways. > > > Bala > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jun 20, 2011, at 14:48, "Norman van Wijnen" > wrote: > > >> Thanks Bala, >> >> >> >> >> The deck is functioning well but i want to make these adjustment to >> calibrate everything to specs. >> >> Is there a possibility that Tom , who makes also the track alignment >> tape, also makes the 5 hz tape? >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> >> >> >> Norman >> >> >> >> >> Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens >> Bala Ganesh Chandra >> Verzonden: maandag 20 juni 2011 4:36 >> Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Onderwerp: Re: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport >> >> >> >> >> Hi Norman, >> >> >> Another one on the path to cassette bliss! The 5Hz RAMM tape is >> incredibly difficult to find - it is also difficult to make because >> most decks do not record correctly at that level. >> >> Good Luck >> >> >> Cheers >> Bala >> >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------====== >> ==> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------======= >> => Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------====== >> ==========---------------------------------------------------------==== >> ===== >> > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From josephjean at verizon.net Sun Jun 19 22:11:51 2011 From: josephjean at verizon.net (goodguy) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 16:11:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport In-Reply-To: References: <000f01cc2cc7$b7e1bbc0$27a53340$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> <848358.50041.qm@web160615.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <000901cc2df3$51bdfc50$f539f4f0$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> <000601cc2e57$cf66b930$6e342b90$@net> Message-ID: <0LN20047103ME7A0@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Do you know any military and have it shipped FPO? At 03:09 PM 6/19/2011, you wrote: >Considered it but he wanted to ship it UPS to Hawaii---about $150. I >avoid any sellers that will only ship UPS or FEDEX to Hawaii since >it is a total rip-off. It costs about 4 times what the post office >charges to ship anything to Hawaii using UPS/FEDEX. >. >The interesting part is the UPS and FEDEX rates from Hawaii to the >mainland are competitive with the post office. Go figure. > >Aloha, >Cheryl > > >---------- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >Behalf Of Adrian Mechner >Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 10:07 PM >To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport > >Why don't you go for this one: > > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300566821940&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT > > > >Adrian > > > >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp >Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 9:05 PM >To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport > > > > > >Was just joking anyway. But if Norman wants to give it to me I'll >even pay shipping. :-) What would life be if we couldn't have our dreams? > > > >I did run an ad in Craigslist Big Island, "Looking for Nakamichi >Cassette Decks" under "Wanted to Buy". So far the only response was >someone with a CR1A that wanted to know how many $$$$ he would get. >He hasn't responded to questions about its operational status or >cosmetic condition. I'll just keep running the ad. Maybe someday >someone in the middle of the big pond will have a CR7A, ZX7, >1000ZXL, or Dragon that they want to sell. In the meantime it >wouldn't hurt to have some spare parts. > > > >---------- >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland When momentum meets resistance, push harder. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Take Care. > > Fred M. fred at marrscom.com > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From davidt124 at internode.on.net Mon Jun 20 05:54:19 2011 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:54:19 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CD player 4 Message-ID: Our CD Player 4 stopped playing recently so I took it in for a service. They replaced the Sony laser and motor assembly and some caps in the power supply. Now I have it back I realise how good it is with its great depth of sound. It easily beat a brighter Cambridge Audio Azur 340C (but that is great as a transport). Not so good my ZX-9 which is languishing with John Gipps at the moment. David From eunkefer at verizon.net Mon Jun 20 07:05:57 2011 From: eunkefer at verizon.net (Ed Unkefer) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 01:05:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 6-19-11 Idler tire SIZE classic transport In-Reply-To: References: <4DFE2C86.7000905@marrscom.com> <005101cc2ebd$d4cc09a0$7e641ce0$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Message-ID: <002a01cc2f07$bdfc0af0$39f420d0$@verizon.net> The 680ZX service manual lists 3 variations of the" Sub Mechanism Chassis Assembly" (the transport) and they used 2 different idler assemblies. Ser # Idler Assembly A11601001 - A11606263 CA08040A (19mm) A11606264 - A11606272 CA08040A (19mm) A11606273 - CA08193A (17mm) Not sure what other models this applies to. My 680ZX is in the first serial number range and the idler tire measures 20mm installed (CA08040A). The CA08193A Idler Assy is used on RX-303 and RX-505 (as well as others) and should be the 17mm tire. I will confirm later as I'm trying to replace the tires on my RX-303 and RX-505 this week. I also have an RX-202 which uses a much smaller tire and is also much easier to replace (Sankyo transport). Regards Ed -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 6:34 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] 6-19-11 Idler tire SIZE classic transport Looked up my old purchase on ebay and the 2 tires I bought were also from n4229k. But I never received an email from him inquiring as to what size tire I needed. Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Norman van Wijnen Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 10:17 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] 6-19-11 Idler tire SIZE classic transport Hi Fred, First i want to thank you for your great support on Nak decks with these great belts you deliver. They work very well. But there is a discussion going on if there where two different sizes of the idler tires for the classic transport. That discussion starts because i ordered a idler tire on ebay with a guy who noticed me that there where 2 sizes of that idler tire. (17 mm and 19 mm) I have never seen any diffences on idler tires for classic transports. Maybe you know from your resources if there are two different ones or does the seller on ebay does not know where he is talking about? This is what the seller mailed me: "In voice sent and discounted for shipping 3 items . The auction is for 17mm tires - please be sure this is correct and they are NOT 19mm tires used in some 480.s, Dragons, 680,s and ZXL series especially in Europe." That was where for me the "light goes out". The seller called n4229k. Regards Norman -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens Fred Marrs Verzonden: zondag 19 juni 2011 19:06 Aan: naktalk at naks.com CC: fred at marrscom.com Onderwerp: [naktalk] 6-19-11 Idler tire SIZE classic transport Hello Members, The discussion about Idler Tire sized got my attention. To Date, approximately 1,875 Classic ( Large ) tires have been shipped. Not that it means anything, but I have never had a complaint from a customer ? I also had Willy check them out ( Last Year ? ), and they passed with no problems. These tires DO come from Japan. Here are the Exact Dimensions. O.D. 17.59mm, I.D. 11.75mm, Width. 3.0698mm . I Encourage any member to PLEASE contact me Directly, if you have experienced problems with my Classic Idler Tire !! Take Care. Fred M. fred at marrscom.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From jfj_taylor at hotmail.com Mon Jun 20 10:07:54 2011 From: jfj_taylor at hotmail.com (john taylor) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 09:07:54 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport In-Reply-To: <0LN20047103ME7A0@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> References: <000f01cc2cc7$b7e1bbc0$27a53340$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net>, <848358.50041.qm@web160615.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, , <000901cc2df3$51bdfc50$f539f4f0$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net>, , , , <000601cc2e57$cf66b930$6e342b90$@net>, , <0LN20047103ME7A0@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: Sorry Cheryl too late I bought it 150$ shipped to the UK !! John. Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 16:11:51 -0400 To: naktalk at naks.com From: josephjean at verizon.net Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Do you know any military and have it shipped FPO? At 03:09 PM 6/19/2011, you wrote: Considered it but he wanted to ship it UPS to Hawaii---about $150. I avoid any sellers that will only ship UPS or FEDEX to Hawaii since it is a total rip-off. It costs about 4 times what the post office charges to ship anything to Hawaii using UPS/FEDEX. . The interesting part is the UPS and FEDEX rates from Hawaii to the mainland are competitive with the post office. Go figure. Aloha, Cheryl From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [ mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Mechner Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 10:07 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Why don’t you go for this one: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300566821940&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT Adrian From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [ mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 9:05 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Was just joking anyway. But if Norman wants to give it to me I'll even pay shipping. :-) What would life be if we couldn't have our dreams? I did run an ad in Craigslist Big Island, "Looking for Nakamichi Cassette Decks" under "Wanted to Buy". So far the only response was someone with a CR1A that wanted to know how many $$$$ he would get. He hasn't responded to questions about its operational status or cosmetic condition. I'll just keep running the ad. Maybe someday someone in the middle of the big pond will have a CR7A, ZX7, 1000ZXL, or Dragon that they want to sell. 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URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Mon Jun 20 14:55:19 2011 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 05:55:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 6-19-11 Idler tire SIZE classic transport In-Reply-To: <201106201059.p5KAoMIk003438@zxe.naks.com> References: <201106201059.p5KAoMIk003438@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <541833.80733.qm@web120715.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Just as an FYI, I took a good quality, hobby Philips driver and heat bent it to 90 degrees. With that I was able to unscrew a small motor assembly and get to the idler tire on the RX-505, rather than split open the transport assembly. Regrettably, there was more wrong with the deck originally than that, but the procedure worked for replacing the tire. Kevin ________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 01:05:57 -0400 From: "Ed Unkefer" Subject: RE: [naktalk] 6-19-11 Idler tire SIZE classic transport To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Message-ID: <002a01cc2f07$bdfc0af0$39f420d0$@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII The 680ZX service manual lists 3 variations of the" Sub Mechanism Chassis Assembly" (the transport) and they used 2 different idler assemblies. Ser # Idler Assembly A11601001 - A11606263 CA08040A (19mm) A11606264 - A11606272 CA08040A (19mm) A11606273 - CA08193A (17mm) Not sure what other models this applies to. My 680ZX is in the first serial number range and the idler tire measures 20mm installed (CA08040A). The CA08193A Idler Assy is used on RX-303 and RX-505 (as well as others) and should be the 17mm tire. I will confirm later as I'm trying to replace the tires on my RX-303 and RX-505 this week. I also have an RX-202 which uses a much smaller tire and is also much easier to replace (Sankyo transport). Regards Ed -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gregorybotha at me.com Mon Jun 20 16:44:57 2011 From: gregorybotha at me.com (Gregory Botha) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 16:44:57 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700-ZXE Cassette Transport Rebuild In-Reply-To: <201106141132.p5EBNGNt020149@zxe.naks.com> References: <201106141132.p5EBNGNt020149@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi All, Thanks Bala. These are great decks to work on, nicely over engineered :-). I've finished the clean up of the deck and posted some clear pictures of the outside here for you guys to enjoy :- http://www.flickr.com/photos/42434267 at N02/5848919215/in/set-72157626936967386. My 700-ZXE plays flawlessly other than a dirty dolby switch issue. I have the same dirty dolby playback switch problem on my 700-ZXL. It manifests in such a way that one of the channels plays lower than the other and sounds distorted, a bit of a fiddle with the dolby switch gets it working properly again. I'll need to remove it and give it a clean to sort this out. I've seen 2 x 700-ZXL on eBay recently where the seller mentions that their decks had this problem suggesting that it may be a capacitor issue but I'm sure it's just the dolby switch (common to both my decks and can be easily resolved). It comes and goes so it's not a problem all of the time. I still need to tackle the playback noise issue on my 700-ZXL that I mentioned a while back, you can only hear it in the blank portions when playing a tape and I now think it is an earthing issue. Does anyone know where the main earth point is on the 700-ZXL? The noise is coming from the playback motor, a faint whine can be heard. Cheers, Greg On 14 Jun 2011, at 1:32 PM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 11:10:39 +1000 > From: Bala Ganesh > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700-ZXE Cassette Transport Rebuild > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <7ED6B55B-5A8E-47D9-8E2D-77D8AFE70B0B at yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hi Greg , > > You are right about the 700s being underrated. They pack very good performance. For the 700zxl, it shares quite a bit on the playback side and ramm system with it's more expensive cousin. design wise, the 700s look still in style today. Minimalist with well thought out aesthetics. Enjoy! > > Bala > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 12, 2011, at 22:49, Gregory Botha wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> I've been after a Nakamichi 700-ZXE locally here in South Africa, which was bought by the original owner 30 years (I already own a 700-ZXL). I know that this deck was serviced up until about 5 years ago. I've tried on and off to buy it over the years. The owner finally decided to sell it to me, although there was a problem playing tapes. On closer inspection I found the pitch rollers and heads looked like they needed a good clean (and I mean a really gooood cleaaaan), the electronics seem to work well. I already had a new set of belts bought from Marrs Communication for the 700-ZXL, but it didn't need them, so I had parts ready to install in the 700-ZXE. >> >> A project for the weekend then. I removed the transport and replaced all the belts and idler tyre. The idle tyre was worn out and causing the forward reel not to turn in play mode even though it could still fast forward and rewind. Now with everything cleaned and new belts installed it works like a bomb. >> >> Have a look here for close up pictures of the transport, for anyone interested http://www.flickr.com/photos/42434267 at N02/sets/72157626936967386/ >> >> I have some of those setup tapes bought from eBay for Nakamichi decks and set the Azimuth properly. The playback levels all seem good so I didn't make any adjustments there. The deck is now singing along to tapes made a few years back. It just shows how important the transport maintenance is for solid playback performance. The 700-ZXL and 700-ZXE are truly great performers and I think underrated compared to a 1000-ZXL. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Greg >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark8559 at hotmail.com Mon Jun 20 17:15:28 2011 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 09:15:28 -0600 Subject: FW: [naktalk] Nakamichi CD player 4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: FYI - I sold a CD Player 4, as well as two CD Player 2's.Also sold an OMS-1A, -2A, -3A, and 5A. Also an MB-2s and CDC-200.Presently in my system 'A' is an OMS-4A.The OMS-1A, -2A, -3A all sounded the same. The OMS-4A beats them.The OMS-1A, -2A, -3A sounded better than the CD Player 4. It was like the CD Player 4 was holding back on the music, where the OMS-1A, -2A, -3A simply let the music out with more clarity and better vocals, therefore being more musical.Just my opinion and experience. > Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:54:19 +1000 > From: davidt124 at internode.on.net > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CD player 4 > > Our CD Player 4 stopped playing recently so I took it in for a service. > They replaced the Sony laser and motor assembly and some caps in the power > supply. Now I have it back I realise how good it is with its great depth of > sound. It easily beat a brighter Cambridge Audio Azur 340C (but that is > great as a transport). > Not so good my ZX-9 which is languishing with John Gipps at the moment. > > David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Mon Jun 20 19:17:22 2011 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 10:17:22 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700-ZXE Cassette Transport Rebuild In-Reply-To: References: <201106141132.p5EBNGNt020149@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi Greg - Here's something to try on the noise. Replace the filter capacitor on the * counter* board - C502 a 220uf 10v electrolytic. If that solves the problem please PayPal ten hours worth of time to me at willy at willyhs.com. I just had that one on a 700ZXL and it took me a whole day to track it down. Best of luck. Willy On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 7:44 AM, Gregory Botha wrote: > Hi All, > > Thanks Bala. These are great decks to work on, nicely over engineered :-). > I've finished the clean up of the deck and posted some clear pictures of the > outside here for you guys to enjoy :- > http://www.flickr.com/photos/42434267 at N02/5848919215/in/set-72157626936967386 > . > > My 700-ZXE plays flawlessly other than a dirty dolby switch issue. I have > the same dirty dolby playback switch problem on my 700-ZXL. It manifests in > such a way that one of the channels plays lower than the other and sounds > distorted, a bit of a fiddle with the dolby switch gets it working properly > again. I'll need to remove it and give it a clean to sort this out. I've > seen 2 x 700-ZXL on eBay recently where the seller mentions that their decks > had this problem suggesting that it may be a capacitor issue but I'm sure > it's just the dolby switch (common to both my decks and can be easily > resolved). It comes and goes so it's not a problem all of the time. > > I still need to tackle the playback noise issue on my 700-ZXL that I > mentioned a while back, you can only hear it in the blank portions when > playing a tape and I now think it is an earthing issue. Does anyone know > where the main earth point is on the 700-ZXL? The noise is coming from the > playback motor, a faint whine can be heard. > > Cheers, > > Greg > > > On 14 Jun 2011, at 1:32 PM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > > > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 11:10:39 +1000 > From: Bala Ganesh > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700-ZXE Cassette Transport Rebuild > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <7ED6B55B-5A8E-47D9-8E2D-77D8AFE70B0B at yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hi Greg , > > You are right about the 700s being underrated. They pack very good > performance. For the 700zxl, it shares quite a bit on the playback side and > ramm system with it's more expensive cousin. design wise, the 700s look > still in style today. Minimalist with well thought out aesthetics. Enjoy! > > Bala > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 12, 2011, at 22:49, Gregory Botha wrote: > > Hi All, > > > I've been after a Nakamichi 700-ZXE locally here in South Africa, which was > bought by the original owner 30 years (I already own a 700-ZXL). I know that > this deck was serviced up until about 5 years ago. I've tried on and off to > buy it over the years. The owner finally decided to sell it to me, although > there was a problem playing tapes. On closer inspection I found the pitch > rollers and heads looked like they needed a good clean (and I mean a really > gooood cleaaaan), the electronics seem to work well. I already had a new set > of belts bought from Marrs Communication for the 700-ZXL, but it didn't need > them, so I had parts ready to install in the 700-ZXE. > > > A project for the weekend then. I removed the transport and replaced all > the belts and idler tyre. The idle tyre was worn out and causing the forward > reel not to turn in play mode even though it could still fast forward and > rewind. Now with everything cleaned and new belts installed it works like a > bomb. > > > Have a look here for close up pictures of the transport, for anyone > interested > http://www.flickr.com/photos/42434267 at N02/sets/72157626936967386/ > > > I have some of those setup tapes bought from eBay for Nakamichi decks and > set the Azimuth properly. The playback levels all seem good so I didn't make > any adjustments there. The deck is now singing along to tapes made a few > years back. It just shows how important the transport maintenance is for > solid playback performance. The 700-ZXL and 700-ZXE are truly great > performers and I think underrated compared to a 1000-ZXL. > > > Cheers, > > > Greg > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Mon Jun 20 20:02:16 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 08:02:16 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport In-Reply-To: References: <000f01cc2cc7$b7e1bbc0$27a53340$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net>, <848358.50041.qm@web160615.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, , <000901cc2df3$51bdfc50$f539f4f0$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net>, , , , <000601cc2e57$cf66b930$6e342b90$@net>, , <0LN20047103ME7A0@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: Congratulations! Enjoy! We here in Hawaii get ripped off with shipping charges all the time. Hence, we are rather sensitive to the issue. It would have cost about $70 insured through the post office for 2 to 3 day delivery. The $150+ was for UPS "ground" which is about 8 days and everything arrives all beat up -- often with the boxes missing or in pieces. For ground shipments, I've watched UPS ship something GOUND from California to several mid-west cities and then to Nevada and then back to California (where it originated) before sending it on to Hawaii. It's NUTS. They don't do that with UPS Air, but UPS Air would cost about $250. Almost every UPS shipment I receive that weighs more than 5 pounds gets noted as damaged. Some shipments have been refused to to extreme damage. I don't EVER want ANY of my electronic devices shipped UPS Ground to Hawaii. NEVER. It's like they drop-kick the packages across the country. FedEx doesn't beat the packages up anything like UPS does, but FedEx charges even more and delivery is slower. If a package arrives a day or so earlier than scheduled they will sit on it for a few days. They often delay packages beyond their original scheduled date for NO reason. At least UPS will deliver early if it is at its destination. I truly hope your deck arrives in good shape. You might want to open the box and shake the deck before the UPS truck leaves. Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of john taylor Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 10:08 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Sorry Cheryl too late I bought it 150$ shipped to the UK !! John. _____ Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 16:11:51 -0400 To: naktalk at naks.com From: josephjean at verizon.net Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Do you know any military and have it shipped FPO? At 03:09 PM 6/19/2011, you wrote: Considered it but he wanted to ship it UPS to Hawaii---about $150. I avoid any sellers that will only ship UPS or FEDEX to Hawaii since it is a total rip-off. It costs about 4 times what the post office charges to ship anything to Hawaii using UPS/FEDEX. . The interesting part is the UPS and FEDEX rates from Hawaii to the mainland are competitive with the post office. Go figure. Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [ mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com ] On Behalf Of Adrian Mechner Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 10:07 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Why don't you go for this one: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=300566821940&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT Adrian From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [ mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 9:05 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Was just joking anyway. But if Norman wants to give it to me I'll even pay shipping. :-) What would life be if we couldn't have our dreams? I did run an ad in Craigslist Big Island, "Looking for Nakamichi Cassette Decks" under "Wanted to Buy". So far the only response was someone with a CR1A that wanted to know how many $$$$ he would get. He hasn't responded to questions about its operational status or cosmetic condition. I'll just keep running the ad. Maybe someday someone in the middle of the big pond will have a CR7A, ZX7, 1000ZXL, or Dragon that they want to sell. In the meantime it wouldn't hurt to have some spare parts. _____ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland When momentum meets resistance, push harder. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Mon Jun 20 21:26:18 2011 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 12:26:18 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport In-Reply-To: References: <848358.50041.qm@web160615.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <000601cc2e57$cf66b930$6e342b90$@net> <0LN20047103ME7A0@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: OK Cheryl - there are trade offs here. I know where you live and it seems well worth the shipping hassle to me! Willy On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: > ** > Congratulations! Enjoy! > > We here in Hawaii get ripped off with shipping charges all the time. Hence, > we are rather sensitive to the issue. > > It would have cost about $70 insured through the post office for 2 to 3 day > delivery. > > The $150+ was for UPS "ground" which is about 8 days and everything arrives > all beat up -- often with the boxes missing or in pieces. For ground > shipments, I've watched UPS ship something GOUND from California to several > mid-west cities and then to Nevada and then back to California (where it > originated) before sending it on to Hawaii. It's NUTS. They don't do that > with UPS Air, but UPS Air would cost about $250. Almost every UPS shipment I > receive that weighs more than 5 pounds gets noted as damaged. Some shipments > have been refused to to extreme damage. I don't EVER want ANY of my > electronic devices shipped UPS Ground to Hawaii. NEVER. It's like they > drop-kick the packages across the country. > > FedEx doesn't beat the packages up anything like UPS does, but FedEx > charges even more and delivery is slower. If a package arrives a day or so > earlier than scheduled they will sit on it for a few days. They often delay > packages beyond their original scheduled date for NO reason. At least UPS > will deliver early if it is at its destination. > > I truly hope your deck arrives in good shape. You might want to open the > box and shake the deck before the UPS truck leaves. > > Aloha, > Cheryl > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *john taylor > *Sent:* Sunday, June 19, 2011 10:08 PM > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > > *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport > > Sorry Cheryl too late I bought it 150$ shipped to the UK !! > > John. > > ------------------------------ > Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 16:11:51 -0400 > To: naktalk at naks.com > From: josephjean at verizon.net > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport > > Do you know any military and have it shipped FPO? > > At 03:09 PM 6/19/2011, you wrote: > > Considered it but he wanted to ship it UPS to Hawaii---about $150. I avoid > any sellers that will only ship UPS or FEDEX to Hawaii since it is a total > rip-off. It costs about 4 times what the post office charges to ship > anything to Hawaii using UPS/FEDEX. > . > The interesting part is the UPS and FEDEX rates from Hawaii to the mainland > are competitive with the post office. Go figure. > > Aloha, > Cheryl > > ------------------------------ > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [ mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] > *On Behalf Of *Adrian Mechner > *Sent:* Saturday, June 18, 2011 10:07 PM > *To:* 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport > > Why don’t you go for this one: > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300566821940&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT > > > > Adrian > > > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [ mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] > *On Behalf Of *Cheryl Kaupp > *Sent:* Saturday, June 18, 2011 9:05 PM > *To:* 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport > > > > > > Was just joking anyway. But if Norman wants to give it to me I'll even pay > shipping. :-) What would life be if we couldn't have our dreams? > > > > I did run an ad in Craigslist Big Island, "Looking for Nakamichi Cassette > Decks" under "Wanted to Buy". So far the only response was someone with a > CR1A that wanted to know how many $$$$ he would get. He hasn't responded to > questions about its operational status or cosmetic condition. I'll just keep > running the ad. Maybe someday someone in the middle of the big pond will > have a CR7A, ZX7, 1000ZXL, or Dragon that they want to sell. In the > meantime it wouldn't hurt to have some spare parts. > > > ------------------------------ > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Roland > > When momentum meets resistance, push harder. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Mon Jun 20 21:58:02 2011 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:58:02 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport In-Reply-To: References: <848358.50041.qm@web160615.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <000601cc2e57$cf66b930$6e342b90$@net> <0LN20047103ME7A0@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <000601cc2f84$5c804340$1580c9c0$@math.utah.edu> I agree with Willy!! Vic From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Willy Hermann Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 1:26 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport OK Cheryl - there are trade offs here. I know where you live and it seems well worth the shipping hassle to me! Willy On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: Congratulations! Enjoy! We here in Hawaii get ripped off with shipping charges all the time. Hence, we are rather sensitive to the issue. It would have cost about $70 insured through the post office for 2 to 3 day delivery. The $150+ was for UPS "ground" which is about 8 days and everything arrives all beat up -- often with the boxes missing or in pieces. For ground shipments, I've watched UPS ship something GOUND from California to several mid-west cities and then to Nevada and then back to California (where it originated) before sending it on to Hawaii. It's NUTS. They don't do that with UPS Air, but UPS Air would cost about $250. Almost every UPS shipment I receive that weighs more than 5 pounds gets noted as damaged. Some shipments have been refused to to extreme damage. I don't EVER want ANY of my electronic devices shipped UPS Ground to Hawaii. NEVER. It's like they drop-kick the packages across the country. FedEx doesn't beat the packages up anything like UPS does, but FedEx charges even more and delivery is slower. If a package arrives a day or so earlier than scheduled they will sit on it for a few days. They often delay packages beyond their original scheduled date for NO reason. At least UPS will deliver early if it is at its destination. I truly hope your deck arrives in good shape. You might want to open the box and shake the deck before the UPS truck leaves. Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of john taylor Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 10:08 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Sorry Cheryl too late I bought it 150$ shipped to the UK !! John. _____ Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 16:11:51 -0400 To: naktalk at naks.com From: josephjean at verizon.net Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Do you know any military and have it shipped FPO? At 03:09 PM 6/19/2011, you wrote: Considered it but he wanted to ship it UPS to Hawaii---about $150. I avoid any sellers that will only ship UPS or FEDEX to Hawaii since it is a total rip-off. It costs about 4 times what the post office charges to ship anything to Hawaii using UPS/FEDEX. . The interesting part is the UPS and FEDEX rates from Hawaii to the mainland are competitive with the post office. Go figure. Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [ mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com ] On Behalf Of Adrian Mechner Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 10:07 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Why don't you go for this one: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=300566821940&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT Adrian From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [ mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com ] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 9:05 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Was just joking anyway. But if Norman wants to give it to me I'll even pay shipping. :-) What would life be if we couldn't have our dreams? I did run an ad in Craigslist Big Island, "Looking for Nakamichi Cassette Decks" under "Wanted to Buy". So far the only response was someone with a CR1A that wanted to know how many $$$$ he would get. He hasn't responded to questions about its operational status or cosmetic condition. I'll just keep running the ad. Maybe someday someone in the middle of the big pond will have a CR7A, ZX7, 1000ZXL, or Dragon that they want to sell. In the meantime it wouldn't hurt to have some spare parts. _____ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland When momentum meets resistance, push harder. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Mon Jun 20 22:25:10 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 10:25:10 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport In-Reply-To: References: <848358.50041.qm@web160615.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><000601cc2e57$cf66b930$6e342b90$@net><0LN20047103ME7A0@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: Yes, sometimes. Every shipment of value that I've gotten via UPS has been damaged. Some were still useable -- like the solar panels with the bent frames. They arrived with the boxes tied into a separate small bundle and the label taped to one of the panels. Other batches of panels were annihilated. They charge an ultra premium price for GROUND and do a terrible job. FWIW, I never had these problems with UPS in the mainland. UPS GROUND Hawaii is a different story. The packages get shipped all over the US before they ever leave the mainland for Hawaii. At each stop they get abused again. AIR is different because they don't do that -- but it costs way too much. If it had been $150 for UPS AIR then it wouldn't have been a big issue. Priority mail would have been a complete non-issue. The post office did a great job with the 680zx that you sold me. Absolutely no problems. Once you live here for a while it's hard not to be jaded about the shipping issues. So many vendors don't realize that the US Post Office does ship to the 50th state. They will ship via the post office to the US mainland but use UPS to AK or HI. It makes no sense. After getting nicked $50 for a 3-pound package via UPS GROUND from California for contents worth $25 it was time to say sayonara to vendors that only ship UPS. Your mileage may vary. :-) _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Willy Hermann Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 9:26 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport OK Cheryl - there are trade offs here. I know where you live and it seems well worth the shipping hassle to me! Willy On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: Congratulations! Enjoy! We here in Hawaii get ripped off with shipping charges all the time. Hence, we are rather sensitive to the issue. It would have cost about $70 insured through the post office for 2 to 3 day delivery. The $150+ was for UPS "ground" which is about 8 days and everything arrives all beat up -- often with the boxes missing or in pieces. For ground shipments, I've watched UPS ship something GOUND from California to several mid-west cities and then to Nevada and then back to California (where it originated) before sending it on to Hawaii. It's NUTS. They don't do that with UPS Air, but UPS Air would cost about $250. Almost every UPS shipment I receive that weighs more than 5 pounds gets noted as damaged. Some shipments have been refused to to extreme damage. I don't EVER want ANY of my electronic devices shipped UPS Ground to Hawaii. NEVER. It's like they drop-kick the packages across the country. FedEx doesn't beat the packages up anything like UPS does, but FedEx charges even more and delivery is slower. If a package arrives a day or so earlier than scheduled they will sit on it for a few days. They often delay packages beyond their original scheduled date for NO reason. At least UPS will deliver early if it is at its destination. I truly hope your deck arrives in good shape. You might want to open the box and shake the deck before the UPS truck leaves. Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of john taylor Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 10:08 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Sorry Cheryl too late I bought it 150$ shipped to the UK !! John. _____ Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 16:11:51 -0400 To: naktalk at naks.com From: josephjean at verizon.net Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Do you know any military and have it shipped FPO? At 03:09 PM 6/19/2011, you wrote: Considered it but he wanted to ship it UPS to Hawaii---about $150. I avoid any sellers that will only ship UPS or FEDEX to Hawaii since it is a total rip-off. It costs about 4 times what the post office charges to ship anything to Hawaii using UPS/FEDEX. . The interesting part is the UPS and FEDEX rates from Hawaii to the mainland are competitive with the post office. Go figure. Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [ mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Mechner Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 10:07 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Why don't you go for this one: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=300566821940&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT Adrian From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [ mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 9:05 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Was just joking anyway. But if Norman wants to give it to me I'll even pay shipping. :-) What would life be if we couldn't have our dreams? I did run an ad in Craigslist Big Island, "Looking for Nakamichi Cassette Decks" under "Wanted to Buy". So far the only response was someone with a CR1A that wanted to know how many $$$$ he would get. He hasn't responded to questions about its operational status or cosmetic condition. I'll just keep running the ad. Maybe someday someone in the middle of the big pond will have a CR7A, ZX7, 1000ZXL, or Dragon that they want to sell. 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URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Mon Jun 20 22:45:21 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 10:45:21 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport In-Reply-To: <000601cc2f84$5c804340$1580c9c0$@math.utah.edu> References: <848358.50041.qm@web160615.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <000601cc2e57$cf66b930$6e342b90$@net> <0LN20047103ME7A0@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> <000601cc2f84$5c804340$1580c9c0$@math.utah.edu> Message-ID: That's cool. I'm just a cranky, bitchy old lady on this subject. _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Victor Gabrenas Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 9:58 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport I agree with Willy!! Vic From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Willy Hermann Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 1:26 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport OK Cheryl - there are trade offs here. I know where you live and it seems well worth the shipping hassle to me! Willy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Mon Jun 20 23:12:09 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 11:12:09 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700-ZXE Cassette Transport Rebuild In-Reply-To: References: <201106141132.p5EBNGNt020149@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: That's really nice Greg! _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Gregory Botha Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 4:45 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700-ZXE Cassette Transport Rebuild Hi All, Thanks Bala. These are great decks to work on, nicely over engineered :-). I've finished the clean up of the deck and posted some clear pictures of the outside here for you guys to enjoy :- http://www.flickr.com/photos/42434267 at N02/5848919215/in/set-7215762693696738 6. My 700-ZXE plays flawlessly other than a dirty dolby switch issue. I have the same dirty dolby playback switch problem on my 700-ZXL. It manifests in such a way that one of the channels plays lower than the other and sounds distorted, a bit of a fiddle with the dolby switch gets it working properly again. I'll need to remove it and give it a clean to sort this out. I've seen 2 x 700-ZXL on eBay recently where the seller mentions that their decks had this problem suggesting that it may be a capacitor issue but I'm sure it's just the dolby switch (common to both my decks and can be easily resolved). It comes and goes so it's not a problem all of the time. I still need to tackle the playback noise issue on my 700-ZXL that I mentioned a while back, you can only hear it in the blank portions when playing a tape and I now think it is an earthing issue. Does anyone know where the main earth point is on the 700-ZXL? The noise is coming from the playback motor, a faint whine can be heard. Cheers, Greg On 14 Jun 2011, at 1:32 PM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: Message: 1 Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 11:10:39 +1000 From: Bala Ganesh Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700-ZXE Cassette Transport Rebuild To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <7ED6B55B-5A8E-47D9-8E2D-77D8AFE70B0B at yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Greg , You are right about the 700s being underrated. They pack very good performance. For the 700zxl, it shares quite a bit on the playback side and ramm system with it's more expensive cousin. design wise, the 700s look still in style today. Minimalist with well thought out aesthetics. Enjoy! Bala Sent from my iPhone On Jun 12, 2011, at 22:49, Gregory Botha wrote: Hi All, I've been after a Nakamichi 700-ZXE locally here in South Africa, which was bought by the original owner 30 years (I already own a 700-ZXL). I know that this deck was serviced up until about 5 years ago. I've tried on and off to buy it over the years. The owner finally decided to sell it to me, although there was a problem playing tapes. On closer inspection I found the pitch rollers and heads looked like they needed a good clean (and I mean a really gooood cleaaaan), the electronics seem to work well. I already had a new set of belts bought from Marrs Communication for the 700-ZXL, but it didn't need them, so I had parts ready to install in the 700-ZXE. A project for the weekend then. I removed the transport and replaced all the belts and idler tyre. The idle tyre was worn out and causing the forward reel not to turn in play mode even though it could still fast forward and rewind. Now with everything cleaned and new belts installed it works like a bomb. Have a look here for close up pictures of the transport, for anyone interested http://www.flickr.com/photos/42434267 at N02/sets/72157626936967386/ I have some of those setup tapes bought from eBay for Nakamichi decks and set the Azimuth properly. The playback levels all seem good so I didn't make any adjustments there. The deck is now singing along to tapes made a few years back. It just shows how important the transport maintenance is for solid playback performance. The 700-ZXL and 700-ZXE are truly great performers and I think underrated compared to a 1000-ZXL. 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URL: From r1seals at yahoo.com Mon Jun 20 17:36:42 2011 From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 08:36:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <310388.57290.qm@web113301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> you bought a tire for 150 bucks  If this hobby gets this expensive  for a idler tire I think I will find a different hobby. wow 150 dollars.just my $.02 Russ --- On Mon, 6/20/11, john taylor wrote: From: john taylor Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, June 20, 2011, 3:07 AM Sorry Cheryl too late I bought it 150$ shipped to the UK !!                                                                  John. Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 16:11:51 -0400 To: naktalk at naks.com From: josephjean at verizon.net Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Do you know any military and have it shipped FPO? At 03:09 PM 6/19/2011, you wrote: Considered it but he wanted to ship it UPS to Hawaii---about $150. I avoid any sellers that will only ship UPS or FEDEX to Hawaii since it is a total rip-off. It costs about 4 times what the post office charges to ship anything to Hawaii using UPS/FEDEX. . The interesting part is the UPS and FEDEX rates from Hawaii to the mainland are competitive with the post office. Go figure.   Aloha, Cheryl From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [ mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Mechner Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 10:07 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Why don’t you go for this one:   http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300566821940&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT   Adrian   From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [ mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 9:05 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport     Was just joking anyway. But if Norman wants to give it to me I'll even pay shipping. :-)  What would life be if we couldn't have our dreams?   I did run an ad in Craigslist Big Island, "Looking for Nakamichi Cassette Decks" under "Wanted to Buy". So far the only response was someone with a CR1A that wanted to know how many $$$$ he would get. He hasn't responded to questions about its operational status or cosmetic condition. I'll just keep running the ad. Maybe someday someone in the middle of the big pond will have a CR7A,  ZX7, 1000ZXL, or Dragon that they want to sell. 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URL: From jfj_taylor at hotmail.com Mon Jun 20 22:09:13 2011 From: jfj_taylor at hotmail.com (john taylor) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 21:09:13 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport In-Reply-To: References: <848358.50041.qm@web160615.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, , , , , <000601cc2e57$cf66b930$6e342b90$@net>, , <0LN20047103ME7A0@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>, , , Message-ID: Just checked my shipping invoice, it was in fact only 115$ not 150$ so not too bad. I,ll keep my fingers crossed it doesn't rattle when I receive it ! John. Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 12:26:18 -0700 Subject: Re: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport From: willy at willyhermannservices.com To: naktalk at naks.com OK Cheryl - there are trade offs here. I know where you live and it seems well worth the shipping hassle to me! Willy On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: Congratulations! Enjoy! We here in Hawaii get ripped off with shipping charges all the time. Hence, we are rather sensitive to the issue. It would have cost about $70 insured through the post office for 2 to 3 day delivery. The $150+ was for UPS "ground" which is about 8 days and everything arrives all beat up -- often with the boxes missing or in pieces. For ground shipments, I've watched UPS ship something GOUND from California to several mid-west cities and then to Nevada and then back to California (where it originated) before sending it on to Hawaii. It's NUTS. They don't do that with UPS Air, but UPS Air would cost about $250. Almost every UPS shipment I receive that weighs more than 5 pounds gets noted as damaged. Some shipments have been refused to to extreme damage. I don't EVER want ANY of my electronic devices shipped UPS Ground to Hawaii. NEVER. It's like they drop-kick the packages across the country. FedEx doesn't beat the packages up anything like UPS does, but FedEx charges even more and delivery is slower. If a package arrives a day or so earlier than scheduled they will sit on it for a few days. They often delay packages beyond their original scheduled date for NO reason. At least UPS will deliver early if it is at its destination. I truly hope your deck arrives in good shape. You might want to open the box and shake the deck before the UPS truck leaves. Aloha, Cheryl From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of john taylor Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 10:08 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Sorry Cheryl too late I bought it 150$ shipped to the UK !! John. Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 16:11:51 -0400 To: naktalk at naks.com From: josephjean at verizon.net Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Do you know any military and have it shipped FPO? At 03:09 PM 6/19/2011, you wrote: Considered it but he wanted to ship it UPS to Hawaii---about $150. I avoid any sellers that will only ship UPS or FEDEX to Hawaii since it is a total rip-off. It costs about 4 times what the post office charges to ship anything to Hawaii using UPS/FEDEX. . The interesting part is the UPS and FEDEX rates from Hawaii to the mainland are competitive with the post office. Go figure. Aloha, Cheryl From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [ mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Mechner Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 10:07 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Why don’t you go for this one: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300566821940&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT Adrian From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [ mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 9:05 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Was just joking anyway. But if Norman wants to give it to me I'll even pay shipping. :-) What would life be if we couldn't have our dreams? I did run an ad in Craigslist Big Island, "Looking for Nakamichi Cassette Decks" under "Wanted to Buy". So far the only response was someone with a CR1A that wanted to know how many $$$$ he would get. He hasn't responded to questions about its operational status or cosmetic condition. I'll just keep running the ad. Maybe someday someone in the middle of the big pond will have a CR7A, ZX7, 1000ZXL, or Dragon that they want to sell. In the meantime it wouldn't hurt to have some spare parts. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------=========Roland When momentum meets resistance, push harder. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From josephjean at verizon.net Mon Jun 20 23:46:24 2011 From: josephjean at verizon.net (goodguy) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 17:46:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport In-Reply-To: References: <848358.50041.qm@web160615.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <000601cc2e57$cf66b930$6e342b90$@net> <0LN20047103ME7A0@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> <000601cc2f84$5c804340$1580c9c0$@math.utah.edu> Message-ID: <0LN300FBAZ5CKOH0@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> Are you my ex wife? At 04:45 PM 6/20/2011, you wrote: >That's cool. > >I'm just a cranky, bitchy old lady on this subject. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Tue Jun 21 00:34:22 2011 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 00:34:22 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700-ZXE Cassette Transport Rebuild In-Reply-To: References: <201106141132.p5EBNGNt020149@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <003501cc2f9a$33cb6ae0$9b6240a0$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Yeah a very nice and clean deck ! Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens Cheryl Kaupp Verzonden: maandag 20 juni 2011 23:12 Aan: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Onderwerp: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700-ZXE Cassette Transport Rebuild That's really nice Greg! _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Gregory Botha Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 4:45 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700-ZXE Cassette Transport Rebuild Hi All, Thanks Bala. These are great decks to work on, nicely over engineered :-). I've finished the clean up of the deck and posted some clear pictures of the outside here for you guys to enjoy :- http://www.flickr.com/photos/42434267 at N02/5848919215/in/set-7215762693696738 6. My 700-ZXE plays flawlessly other than a dirty dolby switch issue. I have the same dirty dolby playback switch problem on my 700-ZXL. It manifests in such a way that one of the channels plays lower than the other and sounds distorted, a bit of a fiddle with the dolby switch gets it working properly again. I'll need to remove it and give it a clean to sort this out. I've seen 2 x 700-ZXL on eBay recently where the seller mentions that their decks had this problem suggesting that it may be a capacitor issue but I'm sure it's just the dolby switch (common to both my decks and can be easily resolved). It comes and goes so it's not a problem all of the time. I still need to tackle the playback noise issue on my 700-ZXL that I mentioned a while back, you can only hear it in the blank portions when playing a tape and I now think it is an earthing issue. Does anyone know where the main earth point is on the 700-ZXL? The noise is coming from the playback motor, a faint whine can be heard. Cheers, Greg On 14 Jun 2011, at 1:32 PM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: Message: 1 Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 11:10:39 +1000 From: Bala Ganesh Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700-ZXE Cassette Transport Rebuild To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <7ED6B55B-5A8E-47D9-8E2D-77D8AFE70B0B at yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Greg , You are right about the 700s being underrated. They pack very good performance. For the 700zxl, it shares quite a bit on the playback side and ramm system with it's more expensive cousin. design wise, the 700s look still in style today. Minimalist with well thought out aesthetics. Enjoy! Bala Sent from my iPhone On Jun 12, 2011, at 22:49, Gregory Botha wrote: Hi All, I've been after a Nakamichi 700-ZXE locally here in South Africa, which was bought by the original owner 30 years (I already own a 700-ZXL). I know that this deck was serviced up until about 5 years ago. I've tried on and off to buy it over the years. The owner finally decided to sell it to me, although there was a problem playing tapes. On closer inspection I found the pitch rollers and heads looked like they needed a good clean (and I mean a really gooood cleaaaan), the electronics seem to work well. I already had a new set of belts bought from Marrs Communication for the 700-ZXL, but it didn't need them, so I had parts ready to install in the 700-ZXE. A project for the weekend then. I removed the transport and replaced all the belts and idler tyre. The idle tyre was worn out and causing the forward reel not to turn in play mode even though it could still fast forward and rewind. Now with everything cleaned and new belts installed it works like a bomb. Have a look here for close up pictures of the transport, for anyone interested http://www.flickr.com/photos/42434267 at N02/sets/72157626936967386/ I have some of those setup tapes bought from eBay for Nakamichi decks and set the Azimuth properly. The playback levels all seem good so I didn't make any adjustments there. The deck is now singing along to tapes made a few years back. It just shows how important the transport maintenance is for solid playback performance. The 700-ZXL and 700-ZXE are truly great performers and I think underrated compared to a 1000-ZXL. 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URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Tue Jun 21 01:24:01 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:24:01 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport In-Reply-To: <310388.57290.qm@web113301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <310388.57290.qm@web113301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: :-) Sorry for the thread drift. _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Russ Seals Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 5:37 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport you bought a tire for 150 bucks If this hobby gets this expensive for a idler tire I think I will find a different hobby. wow 150 dollars.just my $.02 Russ --- On Mon, 6/20/11, john taylor wrote: From: john taylor Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, June 20, 2011, 3:07 AM Sorry Cheryl too late I bought it 150$ shipped to the UK !! John. _____ Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 16:11:51 -0400 To: naktalk at naks.com From: josephjean at verizon.net Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Do you know any military and have it shipped FPO? At 03:09 PM 6/19/2011, you wrote: Considered it but he wanted to ship it UPS to Hawaii---about $150. I avoid any sellers that will only ship UPS or FEDEX to Hawaii since it is a total rip-off. It costs about 4 times what the post office charges to ship anything to Hawaii using UPS/FEDEX. . The interesting part is the UPS and FEDEX rates from Hawaii to the mainland are competitive with the post office. Go figure. Aloha, Cheryl _____ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 21 01:59:25 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 09:59:25 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport In-Reply-To: <310388.57290.qm@web113301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <310388.57290.qm@web113301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7877B311-A2DA-46D8-9D16-D954926C22E9@yahoo.com> I suppose he bought the deck and shipped it for $ 150. Bala Sent from my iPhone On Jun 21, 2011, at 1:36, Russ Seals wrote: > you bought a tire for 150 bucks > If this hobby gets this expensive for a idler tire I think I will find a different hobby. wow 150 dollars.just my $.02 > Russ > > --- On Mon, 6/20/11, john taylor wrote: > > From: john taylor > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Monday, June 20, 2011, 3:07 AM > > Sorry Cheryl too late I bought it 150$ shipped to the UK !! > > John. > > Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 16:11:51 -0400 > To: naktalk at naks.com > From: josephjean at verizon.net > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport > > Do you know any military and have it shipped FPO? > > At 03:09 PM 6/19/2011, you wrote: > Considered it but he wanted to ship it UPS to Hawaii---about $150. I avoid any sellers that will only ship UPS or FEDEX to Hawaii since it is a total rip-off. It costs about 4 times what the post office charges to ship anything to Hawaii using UPS/FEDEX. > . > The interesting part is the UPS and FEDEX rates from Hawaii to the mainland are competitive with the post office. Go figure. > > Aloha, > Cheryl > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [ mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Mechner > Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 10:07 PM > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport > > Why don’t you go for this one: > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300566821940&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT > > > > Adrian > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [ mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp > Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 9:05 PM > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport > > > > > > Was just joking anyway. But if Norman wants to give it to me I'll even pay shipping. :-) What would life be if we couldn't have our dreams? > > > > I did run an ad in Craigslist Big Island, "Looking for Nakamichi Cassette Decks" under "Wanted to Buy". So far the only response was someone with a CR1A that wanted to know how many $$$$ he would get. He hasn't responded to questions about its operational status or cosmetic condition. I'll just keep running the ad. Maybe someday someone in the middle of the big pond will have a CR7A, ZX7, 1000ZXL, or Dragon that they want to sell. 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URL: From patty at jbrudy.com Tue Jun 21 02:23:18 2011 From: patty at jbrudy.com (Patty) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 17:23:18 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport In-Reply-To: References: <848358.50041.qm@web160615.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, , , , , <000601cc2e57$cf66b930$6e342b90$@net>, , <0LN20047103ME7A0@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>, , , Message-ID: <2828E57470114C72B8C672AC50F9F492@UserPC> Just for info. I ship a lot from where I work and if it doesn't have to be there fast. Aloha frt./vessal is the best. They have shipment going back and forth all the time. They also do quotes. Patty (old Nakamichi employee) _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of john taylor Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 1:09 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Just checked my shipping invoice, it was in fact only 115$ not 150$ so not too bad. I,ll keep my fingers crossed it doesn't rattle when I receive it ! John. _____ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 12:26:18 -0700 Subject: Re: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport From: willy at willyhermannservices.com To: naktalk at naks.com OK Cheryl - there are trade offs here. I know where you live and it seems well worth the shipping hassle to me! Willy On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: Congratulations! Enjoy! We here in Hawaii get ripped off with shipping charges all the time. Hence, we are rather sensitive to the issue. It would have cost about $70 insured through the post office for 2 to 3 day delivery. The $150+ was for UPS "ground" which is about 8 days and everything arrives all beat up -- often with the boxes missing or in pieces. For ground shipments, I've watched UPS ship something GOUND from California to several mid-west cities and then to Nevada and then back to California (where it originated) before sending it on to Hawaii. It's NUTS. They don't do that with UPS Air, but UPS Air would cost about $250. Almost every UPS shipment I receive that weighs more than 5 pounds gets noted as damaged. Some shipments have been refused to to extreme damage. I don't EVER want ANY of my electronic devices shipped UPS Ground to Hawaii. NEVER. It's like they drop-kick the packages across the country. FedEx doesn't beat the packages up anything like UPS does, but FedEx charges even more and delivery is slower. If a package arrives a day or so earlier than scheduled they will sit on it for a few days. They often delay packages beyond their original scheduled date for NO reason. At least UPS will deliver early if it is at its destination. I truly hope your deck arrives in good shape. You might want to open the box and shake the deck before the UPS truck leaves. Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of john taylor Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 10:08 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Sorry Cheryl too late I bought it 150$ shipped to the UK !! John. _____ Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 16:11:51 -0400 To: naktalk at naks.com From: josephjean at verizon.net Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Do you know any military and have it shipped FPO? At 03:09 PM 6/19/2011, you wrote: Considered it but he wanted to ship it UPS to Hawaii---about $150. I avoid any sellers that will only ship UPS or FEDEX to Hawaii since it is a total rip-off. It costs about 4 times what the post office charges to ship anything to Hawaii using UPS/FEDEX. . The interesting part is the UPS and FEDEX rates from Hawaii to the mainland are competitive with the post office. Go figure. Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [ mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com ] On Behalf Of Adrian Mechner Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 10:07 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Why don't you go for this one: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=300566821940&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT Adrian From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [ mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com ] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 9:05 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Was just joking anyway. But if Norman wants to give it to me I'll even pay shipping. :-) What would life be if we couldn't have our dreams? I did run an ad in Craigslist Big Island, "Looking for Nakamichi Cassette Decks" under "Wanted to Buy". So far the only response was someone with a CR1A that wanted to know how many $$$$ he would get. He hasn't responded to questions about its operational status or cosmetic condition. I'll just keep running the ad. Maybe someday someone in the middle of the big pond will have a CR7A, ZX7, 1000ZXL, or Dragon that they want to sell. In the meantime it wouldn't hurt to have some spare parts. _____ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland When momentum meets resistance, push harder. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 21 02:44:50 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 17:44:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700-ZXE Cassette Transport Rebuild In-Reply-To: References: <201106141132.p5EBNGNt020149@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <548996.55567.qm@web160618.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> This is an annoying issue that can be heard on most of the older decks with e-cap issues. Sometimes, contacts on the plug-in boards can be a factor as well. The cap Willy suggested can be one of the many causes as I have found multiple other issues that can contribute to the faint high-pitched whine that is all too familiar to me. Assuming that the rest of the deck is in great condition electronically, then it may be down to tracking one or a few components that maybe causing this issue. The earth on Naks is the chassis, although I took the extra step to wire up an earth wire to the mains plug on all 21 of my Naks! Regards, Bala ________________________________ From: Gregory Botha To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tue, June 21, 2011 12:44:57 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700-ZXE Cassette Transport Rebuild Hi All, Thanks Bala. These are great decks to work on, nicely over engineered :-). I've finished the clean up of the deck and posted some clear pictures of the outside here for you guys to enjoy :- http://www.flickr.com/photos/42434267 at N02/5848919215/in/set-72157626936967386. My 700-ZXE plays flawlessly other than a dirty dolby switch issue. I have the same dirty dolby playback switch problem on my 700-ZXL. It manifests in such a way that one of the channels plays lower than the other and sounds distorted, a bit of a fiddle with the dolby switch gets it working properly again. I'll need to remove it and give it a clean to sort this out. I've seen 2 x 700-ZXL on eBay recently where the seller mentions that their decks had this problem suggesting that it may be a capacitor issue but I'm sure it's just the dolby switch (common to both my decks and can be easily resolved). It comes and goes so it's not a problem all of the time. I still need to tackle the playback noise issue on my 700-ZXL that I mentioned a while back, you can only hear it in the blank portions when playing a tape and I now think it is an earthing issue. Does anyone know where the main earth point is on the 700-ZXL? The noise is coming from the playback motor, a faint whine can be heard. Cheers, Greg On 14 Jun 2011, at 1:32 PM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > >Message: 1 >Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 11:10:39 +1000 >From: Bala Ganesh >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700-ZXE Cassette Transport Rebuild >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Message-ID: <7ED6B55B-5A8E-47D9-8E2D-77D8AFE70B0B at yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >Hi Greg , > >You are right about the 700s being underrated. They pack very good performance. >For the 700zxl, it shares quite a bit on the playback side and ramm system with >it's more expensive cousin. design wise, the 700s look still in style today. >Minimalist with well thought out aesthetics. Enjoy! > > >Bala > > >Sent from my iPhone > >On Jun 12, 2011, at 22:49, Gregory Botha wrote: > > >Hi All, >> > I've been after a Nakamichi 700-ZXE locally here in South Africa, which was bought by the original owner 30 years (I already own a 700-ZXL). I know that this deck was serviced up until about 5 years ago. I've tried on and off to buy it over the years. The owner finally decided to sell it to me, although there was a problem playing tapes. On closer inspection I found the pitch rollers and heads looked like they needed a good clean (and I mean a really gooood cleaaaan), the electronics seem to work well. I already had a new set of belts bought from Marrs Communication for the 700-ZXL, but it didn't need them, so I had parts ready to install in the 700-ZXE. > > A project for the weekend then. I removed the transport and replaced all the belts and idler tyre. The idle tyre was worn out and causing the forward reel not to turn in play mode even though it could still fast forward and rewind. Now with everything cleaned and new belts installed it works like a bomb. > > Have a look here for close up pictures of the transport, for anyone interested http://www.flickr.com/photos/42434267 at N02/sets/72157626936967386/ > > I have some of those setup tapes bought from eBay for Nakamichi decks and set the Azimuth properly. The playback levels all seem good so I didn't make any adjustments there. The deck is now singing along to tapes made a few years back. It just shows how important the transport maintenance is for solid playback performance. 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URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Tue Jun 21 02:52:22 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 14:52:22 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport In-Reply-To: <0LN300FBAZ5CKOH0@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> References: <848358.50041.qm@web160615.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><000601cc2e57$cf66b930$6e342b90$@net><0LN20047103ME7A0@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net><000601cc2f84$5c804340$1580c9c0$@math.utah.edu> <0LN300FBAZ5CKOH0@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: Could be if you are the really a badguy rather than a goodguy. :-) _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of goodguy Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 11:46 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Are you my ex wife? At 04:45 PM 6/20/2011, you wrote: That's cool. I'm just a cranky, bitchy old lady on this subject. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Tue Jun 21 05:37:18 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 17:37:18 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport In-Reply-To: <2828E57470114C72B8C672AC50F9F492@UserPC> References: <848358.50041.qm@web160615.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, , , , , <000601cc2e57$cf66b930$6e342b90$@net>, , <0LN20047103ME7A0@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>, , , <2828E57470114C72B8C672AC50F9F492@UserPC> Message-ID: Thanks Patty! That's good info to have. Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Patty Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 2:23 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Just for info. I ship a lot from where I work and if it doesn't have to be there fast. Aloha frt./vessal is the best. They have shipment going back and forth all the time. They also do quotes. Patty (old Nakamichi employee) _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of john taylor Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 1:09 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Just checked my shipping invoice, it was in fact only 115$ not 150$ so not too bad. I,ll keep my fingers crossed it doesn't rattle when I receive it ! John. _____ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 12:26:18 -0700 Subject: Re: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport From: willy at willyhermannservices.com To: naktalk at naks.com OK Cheryl - there are trade offs here. I know where you live and it seems well worth the shipping hassle to me! Willy On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: Congratulations! Enjoy! We here in Hawaii get ripped off with shipping charges all the time. Hence, we are rather sensitive to the issue. It would have cost about $70 insured through the post office for 2 to 3 day delivery. The $150+ was for UPS "ground" which is about 8 days and everything arrives all beat up -- often with the boxes missing or in pieces. For ground shipments, I've watched UPS ship something GOUND from California to several mid-west cities and then to Nevada and then back to California (where it originated) before sending it on to Hawaii. It's NUTS. They don't do that with UPS Air, but UPS Air would cost about $250. Almost every UPS shipment I receive that weighs more than 5 pounds gets noted as damaged. Some shipments have been refused to to extreme damage. I don't EVER want ANY of my electronic devices shipped UPS Ground to Hawaii. NEVER. It's like they drop-kick the packages across the country. FedEx doesn't beat the packages up anything like UPS does, but FedEx charges even more and delivery is slower. If a package arrives a day or so earlier than scheduled they will sit on it for a few days. They often delay packages beyond their original scheduled date for NO reason. At least UPS will deliver early if it is at its destination. I truly hope your deck arrives in good shape. You might want to open the box and shake the deck before the UPS truck leaves. Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of john taylor Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 10:08 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Sorry Cheryl too late I bought it 150$ shipped to the UK !! John. _____ Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 16:11:51 -0400 To: naktalk at naks.com From: josephjean at verizon.net Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Do you know any military and have it shipped FPO? At 03:09 PM 6/19/2011, you wrote: Considered it but he wanted to ship it UPS to Hawaii---about $150. I avoid any sellers that will only ship UPS or FEDEX to Hawaii since it is a total rip-off. It costs about 4 times what the post office charges to ship anything to Hawaii using UPS/FEDEX. . The interesting part is the UPS and FEDEX rates from Hawaii to the mainland are competitive with the post office. Go figure. Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [ mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com ] On Behalf Of Adrian Mechner Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 10:07 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Why don't you go for this one: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=300566821940&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT Adrian From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [ mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com ] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 9:05 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Was just joking anyway. But if Norman wants to give it to me I'll even pay shipping. :-) What would life be if we couldn't have our dreams? I did run an ad in Craigslist Big Island, "Looking for Nakamichi Cassette Decks" under "Wanted to Buy". So far the only response was someone with a CR1A that wanted to know how many $$$$ he would get. He hasn't responded to questions about its operational status or cosmetic condition. I'll just keep running the ad. Maybe someday someone in the middle of the big pond will have a CR7A, ZX7, 1000ZXL, or Dragon that they want to sell. In the meantime it wouldn't hurt to have some spare parts. _____ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland When momentum meets resistance, push harder. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Tue Jun 21 19:36:22 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 07:36:22 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 Repair In-Reply-To: References: <1215430978-1308308751-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-877411058-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: Hi Daniel, I'm not sure what the projection is that is causing the problem, nor am I familiar with the record linkage/cable. So I forwarded it to the whole group. Surprisingly, there were differences in all the little control arms/triggers between my old 581 and the 582 parts deck from ebay. The old 581 had more control cams and a cable that activated a switch -- but the 582 was actually much simpler and didn't have the cable. Having never laid eyes on an LX-3 leaves me at a loss as to exactly which pin is causing the problem. Maybe the cam gear isn't moving to the proper positions for the various functions??? The 582 had that problem too and adjusting the variable resistors that control the precise movements of the cam motor fixed the problem. Try removing the thin black plate in the back of the cassette bay so that you can see the pointer and where it is pointing on the cam gear. Activate the controls and see if the pointer actually points to the proper function on the cam gear. The pointer should point right to the exact mark on the cam. On the 582 it was way off for REC -- about 5/16". Once it was adjusted so that the pointer got within about 1/8" of the mark it started to work better. But be aware that if you adjust the VR for REC it will affect PLAY too. You kind of have to go back and forth between the VR's for both REC and PLAY tweaking each a little bit at a time. Sorry I can't be of more help. Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: Daniel Sadler [mailto:sadler at hawaii.edu] Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 10:37 PM To: Cheryl Kaupp; naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-3 Repair Cheryl, I peeked under the hood and, as you suspected, the transport was stuck. One of the front panel facing projections on the control cam was hung up on a projection that I believe is the record trigger. Slightly depressing the trigger allowed the cam to proceed back to the play position. After that, I can play, pause , FF and REW, but trying to go back into REC gets it stuck again. I was able to reproduce this 3 times in a row. Specifically, I hold down REC and press PAUSE ( red record light comes on), I then press Play and it gets stuck. I see in the service manual instructions for "record switch adjustment". Do you think I need to make that adjustment? I'm not clear on what the record linkage/cable does. I had to remove one end of it to get the mechanism out so might have goofed something putting it back together. Any ideas? Thanks, Dan PS I'm in Honolulu and share your views on shipping fees. I don't buy that "it's the price of paradise". On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 9:28 AM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: Did you try to eject the cassette? It almost sounds like the transport got stuck -- possibly in PLAY mode. The cassette may have jammed/tape may have wrapped around something a capstan or pinch roller. When that happens the cam gear will be stuck in that mode and you will be unable to do anything else with the deck. If per chance the cassette won't eject, then try moving the cam with your finger. If it is moveable then manually move it back to the STOP position and remove the cassette. When I got the 582 it would do that. The tape was literally falling off the supply reel because it didn't have any tension on it and then it would jam. Take a quick look. For the 582 the supply reel was assembled improperly. If that isn't it then let me know how it goes when you get back to work on the deck. Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: Daniel Sadler [mailto:sadler at hawaii.edu] Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 11:39 PM To: perry.nak at comcast.net; kaupp240 at hotmail.com; naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-3 Repair Again, thanks Perry and Cheryl for sharing your knowledge and experience, Perry, FWIW, serial number is A313 37807. We must be on the same wavelength, before getting your email I fashioned a washer out of a plastic business card using a hand drill and file. Seems to fit ok and I have enough business card left for a dozen more. I wasn't sure how close to push it up against the bearing. Figure it shouldn't be too tight as it looks like the capstan has a little float at the thrust bearing end. I also noticed that the belt doesn't ride exactly in the center of the flywheels. It rides closer to the thrust bearing end, a 1-2 mm away from the edge So maybe I should back the washer off a little. Anyways, after putting everything back together, it worked! FF and REW seemed ok, a little noisy, but that seems to change with different cassettes. I spent a couple of hours enjoying some old tapes and went to bed happy. Well happiness is a fleeting. When I tried it today, it worked right up until I pressed record. I can't remember the exact sequence of buttons I pushed, but now it won't play, FF or REW. It's going to be a few days/weeks before I can get back to it but I'm thinking that I might not have gotten all electrical connectors tight, especially the wire to the motor that drives the transport gear. I'll make sure to look carefully at the descriptions you both forwarded on evaluating/cleaning/lubricating the transport gear action. They are be a big help. Cheryl, I especially like your idea on keeping track of loose screws as I have already duplicated your experience of bumping them off the work towel. As I said, it might be a while before I can peek inside again, but when I do, will let you know how it goes. Dan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Tue Jun 21 19:55:38 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 07:55:38 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 Repair In-Reply-To: References: <1215430978-1308308751-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-877411058-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: Hi Daniel, After forwarding your email to the list the light may have just come on in the old brain here. That sounds kind of like what happened when I put the 581 transport back together wrong. Can't remember exactly which functions got screwed up, but recall being really perplexed that one of the little control arms/triggers seemed to keep sticking a pin into the cam gear and stopping the REC function. It wouldn't go into REC and would get stuck and need manual intervention. I even took the 582 apart to see what that pin was supposed to do but the 582 didn't have the same little control arms/triggers. ARGH! Go back and check the position of the cam follower and the cam gear. If the cam follower isn't properly straddling the little bar in the cam gear then the cam won't rotate into the correct position. If memory serves correctly, I had the cam follower positioned with both pins on one side of the bar. You should be able to peek into the transport and check this without taking it apart. If you eyeball it from the bottom of the transport it should look like this: ] - [ If it looks like either: ] [ - or - ] [ then it is incorrect. That's a goofy representation but the two brackets are the pins and the hyphen is the bar. Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: Daniel Sadler [mailto:sadler at hawaii.edu] Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 10:37 PM To: Cheryl Kaupp; naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-3 Repair Cheryl, I peeked under the hood and, as you suspected, the transport was stuck. One of the front panel facing projections on the control cam was hung up on a projection that I believe is the record trigger. Slightly depressing the trigger allowed the cam to proceed back to the play position. After that, I can play, pause , FF and REW, but trying to go back into REC gets it stuck again. I was able to reproduce this 3 times in a row. Specifically, I hold down REC and press PAUSE ( red record light comes on), I then press Play and it gets stuck. I see in the service manual instructions for "record switch adjustment". Do you think I need to make that adjustment? I'm not clear on what the record linkage/cable does. I had to remove one end of it to get the mechanism out so might have goofed something putting it back together. Any ideas? Thanks, Dan PS I'm in Honolulu and share your views on shipping fees. I don't buy that "it's the price of paradise". On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 9:28 AM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: Did you try to eject the cassette? It almost sounds like the transport got stuck -- possibly in PLAY mode. The cassette may have jammed/tape may have wrapped around something a capstan or pinch roller. When that happens the cam gear will be stuck in that mode and you will be unable to do anything else with the deck. If per chance the cassette won't eject, then try moving the cam with your finger. If it is moveable then manually move it back to the STOP position and remove the cassette. When I got the 582 it would do that. The tape was literally falling off the supply reel because it didn't have any tension on it and then it would jam. Take a quick look. For the 582 the supply reel was assembled improperly. If that isn't it then let me know how it goes when you get back to work on the deck. Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: Daniel Sadler [mailto:sadler at hawaii.edu] Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 11:39 PM To: perry.nak at comcast.net; kaupp240 at hotmail.com; naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-3 Repair Again, thanks Perry and Cheryl for sharing your knowledge and experience, Perry, FWIW, serial number is A313 37807. We must be on the same wavelength, before getting your email I fashioned a washer out of a plastic business card using a hand drill and file. Seems to fit ok and I have enough business card left for a dozen more. I wasn't sure how close to push it up against the bearing. Figure it shouldn't be too tight as it looks like the capstan has a little float at the thrust bearing end. I also noticed that the belt doesn't ride exactly in the center of the flywheels. It rides closer to the thrust bearing end, a 1-2 mm away from the edge So maybe I should back the washer off a little. Anyways, after putting everything back together, it worked! FF and REW seemed ok, a little noisy, but that seems to change with different cassettes. I spent a couple of hours enjoying some old tapes and went to bed happy. Well happiness is a fleeting. When I tried it today, it worked right up until I pressed record. I can't remember the exact sequence of buttons I pushed, but now it won't play, FF or REW. It's going to be a few days/weeks before I can get back to it but I'm thinking that I might not have gotten all electrical connectors tight, especially the wire to the motor that drives the transport gear. I'll make sure to look carefully at the descriptions you both forwarded on evaluating/cleaning/lubricating the transport gear action. They are be a big help. Cheryl, I especially like your idea on keeping track of loose screws as I have already duplicated your experience of bumping them off the work towel. As I said, it might be a while before I can peek inside again, but when I do, will let you know how it goes. Dan On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 1:05 AM, wrote: Of all the Nakamichi parts to lose, that's the easiest to replace. Only newer classic transports have these washers, so you have a nice high serial number Nakamichi LX. You can substitute anything that works. Sometimes you see something very similar retaining screws on a light switch for instance. I've made them in the past, with similar material and a drill bit 85% the size of the capstan and a dremel and file. Clean away all the old grease you can, with IA especially on the thrust (sunken in ball bearing )bearing Use as many swabs as it takes. Use very small amounts of light light grease on any sliding points. This is the same grease that turns to glue on the pressure roller arms, so check the ease of motion of them. " Cracking" the transport is not as bad as it looks and is worth it to replace the idler tire. I sent a complete write up to Cheryl, maybe she still has it and can forward it to you. The transport friction on LX-3s tends to be higher than others because of the 2 head slave cable required to switch dolby between encode and decode whether you are in record or play mode. You should be able to stick you finger in the unpowered transport and rotate the large white gear easily to make the heads rise and drop. If you did a really good job, it should try to rotate back on its own to the stop position when you are half way. If it is hard to rotate, it needs to be cleaned and! lubed. 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URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Tue Jun 21 20:16:30 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 08:16:30 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport In-Reply-To: <310388.57290.qm@web113301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <310388.57290.qm@web113301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: It was a racing slick.... ***grin*** _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Russ Seals Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 5:37 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport you bought a tire for 150 bucks If this hobby gets this expensive for a idler tire I think I will find a different hobby. wow 150 dollars.just my $.02 Russ --- On Mon, 6/20/11, john taylor wrote: From: john taylor Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, June 20, 2011, 3:07 AM Sorry Cheryl too late I bought it 150$ shipped to the UK !! John. _____ Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 16:11:51 -0400 To: naktalk at naks.com From: josephjean at verizon.net Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Do you know any military and have it shipped FPO? At 03:09 PM 6/19/2011, you wrote: Considered it but he wanted to ship it UPS to Hawaii---about $150. I avoid any sellers that will only ship UPS or FEDEX to Hawaii since it is a total rip-off. It costs about 4 times what the post office charges to ship anything to Hawaii using UPS/FEDEX. . The interesting part is the UPS and FEDEX rates from Hawaii to the mainland are competitive with the post office. Go figure. Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [ mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Mechner Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 10:07 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Why don't you go for this one: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=300566821940&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT Adrian From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [ mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 9:05 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Was just joking anyway. But if Norman wants to give it to me I'll even pay shipping. :-) What would life be if we couldn't have our dreams? I did run an ad in Craigslist Big Island, "Looking for Nakamichi Cassette Decks" under "Wanted to Buy". So far the only response was someone with a CR1A that wanted to know how many $$$$ he would get. He hasn't responded to questions about its operational status or cosmetic condition. I'll just keep running the ad. Maybe someday someone in the middle of the big pond will have a CR7A, ZX7, 1000ZXL, or Dragon that they want to sell. 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URL: From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com Wed Jun 22 08:07:20 2011 From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 08:07:20 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL Ebay Message-ID: Hi, members, There is a 1000 ZXL for sale on Ebay US. But the same Deck was sold a week ago on Ebay Germany. It was located in Germany for this sale. there is the link from this sale, the Ebay Member is bavarialine http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190537869127 gerhard from Austria Vienna -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sadler at hawaii.edu Tue Jun 21 10:36:53 2011 From: sadler at hawaii.edu (Daniel Sadler) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 22:36:53 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 Repair In-Reply-To: References: <1215430978-1308308751-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-877411058-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: Cheryl, I peeked under the hood and, as you suspected, the transport was stuck. One of the front panel facing projections on the control cam was hung up on a projection that I believe is the record trigger. Slightly depressing the trigger allowed the cam to proceed back to the play position. After that, I can play, pause , FF and REW, but trying to go back into REC gets it stuck again. I was able to reproduce this 3 times in a row. Specifically, I hold down REC and press PAUSE ( red record light comes on), I then press Play and it gets stuck. I see in the service manual instructions for "record switch adjustment". Do you think I need to make that adjustment? I'm not clear on what the record linkage/cable does. I had to remove one end of it to get the mechanism out so might have goofed something putting it back together. Any ideas? Thanks, Dan PS I'm in Honolulu and share your views on shipping fees. I don't buy that "it's the price of paradise". On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 9:28 AM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: > ** > > Did you try to eject the cassette? It almost sounds like the transport got > stuck -- possibly in PLAY mode. The cassette may have jammed/tape may have > wrapped around something a capstan or pinch roller. When that happens the > cam gear will be stuck in that mode and you will be unable to do anything > else with the deck. If per chance the cassette won't eject, then try moving > the cam with your finger. If it is moveable then manually move it back to > the STOP position and remove the cassette. When I got the 582 it would do > that. The tape was literally falling off the supply reel because it didn't > have any tension on it and then it would jam. Take a quick look. For the 582 > the supply reel was assembled improperly. > > If that isn't it then let me know how it goes when you get back to work > on the deck. > > Aloha, > Cheryl > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Daniel Sadler [mailto:sadler at hawaii.edu] > *Sent:* Saturday, June 18, 2011 11:39 PM > *To:* perry.nak at comcast.net; kaupp240 at hotmail.com; naktalk at naks.com > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] LX-3 Repair > > Again, thanks Perry and Cheryl for sharing your knowledge and experience, > > Perry, FWIW, serial number is A313 37807. We must be on the same > wavelength, before getting your email I fashioned a washer out of a plastic > business card using a hand drill and file. Seems to fit ok and I have enough > business card left for a dozen more. I wasn't sure how close to push it up > against the bearing. Figure it shouldn't be too tight as it looks like the > capstan has a little float at the thrust bearing end. I also noticed that > the belt doesn't ride exactly in the center of the flywheels. It rides > closer to the thrust bearing end, a 1-2 mm away from the edge So maybe I > should back the washer off a little. > > Anyways, after putting everything back together, it worked! FF and REW > seemed ok, a little noisy, but that seems to change with different > cassettes. I spent a couple of hours enjoying some old tapes and went to bed > happy. Well happiness is a fleeting. When I tried it today, it worked > right up until I pressed record. I can't remember the exact sequence of > buttons I pushed, but now it won't play, FF or REW. It's going to be a few > days/weeks before I can get back to it but I'm thinking that I might not > have gotten all electrical connectors tight, especially the wire to the > motor that drives the transport gear. > > I'll make sure to look carefully at the descriptions you both forwarded on > evaluating/cleaning/lubricating the transport gear action. They are be a big > help. Cheryl, I especially like your idea on keeping track of loose screws > as I have already duplicated your experience of bumping them off the work > towel. > > As I said, it might be a while before I can peek inside again, but when I > do, will let you know how it goes. > > Dan > > > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 1:05 AM, wrote: > >> Of all the Nakamichi parts to lose, that's the easiest to replace. Only >> newer classic transports have these washers, so you have a nice high serial >> number Nakamichi LX. You can substitute anything that works. Sometimes you >> see something very similar retaining screws on a light switch for instance. >> I've made them in the past, with similar material and a drill bit 85% the >> size of the capstan and a dremel and file. >> >> Clean away all the old grease you can, with IA especially on the thrust >> (sunken in ball bearing )bearing Use as many swabs as it takes. Use very >> small amounts of light light grease on any sliding points. This is the same >> grease that turns to glue on the pressure roller arms, so check the ease of >> motion of them. " Cracking" the transport is not as bad as it looks and is >> worth it to replace the idler tire. I sent a complete write up to Cheryl, >> maybe she still has it and can forward it to you. The transport friction on >> LX-3s tends to be higher than others because of the 2 head slave cable >> required to switch dolby between encode and decode whether you are in record >> or play mode. You should be able to stick you finger in the unpowered >> transport and rotate the large white gear easily to make the heads rise and >> drop. If you did a really good job, it should try to rotate back on its own >> to the stop position when you are half way. If it is hard to rotate, it >> needs to be cleaned and! >> lubed. >> Perry Esposito - From my phone >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mikemaxcel at gmail.com Tue Jun 21 14:52:59 2011 From: mikemaxcel at gmail.com (Mikemaxcel) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 14:52:59 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 700ZXL tape type indicator problem Message-ID: Nak 700ZXL，one of my best sounding deck among my collection still having tape type indicator issue unsolved.All the EX SX ZX always lighted-up at the same time when power-up or a tape is inserted. 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URL: From r1seals at yahoo.com Tue Jun 21 15:12:57 2011 From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 06:12:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport In-Reply-To: <7877B311-A2DA-46D8-9D16-D954926C22E9@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <853241.89090.qm@web113309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> ok got it  thanks Bala  Russ --- On Mon, 6/20/11, Bala Ganesh wrote: From: Bala Ganesh Subject: Re: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, June 20, 2011, 6:59 PM I suppose he bought the deck and shipped it for $ 150.  Bala Sent from my iPhone On Jun 21, 2011, at 1:36, Russ Seals wrote: you bought a tire for 150 bucks  If this hobby gets this expensive  for a idler tire I think I will find a different hobby. wow 150 dollars.just my $.02 Russ --- On Mon, 6/20/11, john taylor wrote: From: john taylor Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, June 20, 2011, 3:07 AM Sorry Cheryl too late I bought it 150$ shipped to the UK !!                                                                  John. Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 16:11:51 -0400 To: naktalk at naks.com From: josephjean at verizon.net Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Do you know any military and have it shipped FPO? At 03:09 PM 6/19/2011, you wrote: Considered it but he wanted to ship it UPS to Hawaii---about $150. I avoid any sellers that will only ship UPS or FEDEX to Hawaii since it is a total rip-off. It costs about 4 times what the post office charges to ship anything to Hawaii using UPS/FEDEX. . The interesting part is the UPS and FEDEX rates from Hawaii to the mainland are competitive with the post office. Go figure.   Aloha, Cheryl From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [ mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Mechner Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 10:07 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Why don’t you go for this one:   http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300566821940&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT   Adrian   From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [ mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 9:05 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport     Was just joking anyway. But if Norman wants to give it to me I'll even pay shipping. :-)  What would life be if we couldn't have our dreams?   I did run an ad in Craigslist Big Island, "Looking for Nakamichi Cassette Decks" under "Wanted to Buy". So far the only response was someone with a CR1A that wanted to know how many $$$$ he would get. He hasn't responded to questions about its operational status or cosmetic condition. I'll just keep running the ad. Maybe someday someone in the middle of the big pond will have a CR7A,  ZX7, 1000ZXL, or Dragon that they want to sell. In the meantime it wouldn't hurt to have some spare parts.   ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland When momentum meets resistance, push harder. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------=================---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From perpetua at q.com Tue Jun 21 17:27:59 2011 From: perpetua at q.com (perpetua at q.com) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 08:27:59 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Thanks Perry !! Message-ID: <4E00B87F.1010802@q.com> Just wanted to say a huge thank you for guiding me in the right direction on which glue to use for my Dragon's plastic power bar. Took a little doing for me to find the glue seeing as I live in a semi - remote area -- should have just bought it off the bay like I ended up doing. A little over a year ago I depressed the power switch on my lil beast, and the button lost all tension, of course I freaked out, but when I pulled the cover I found what happened, was able to reclaim the tiny broken piece and breathed a somewhat sigh of relief. At the time I was in the middle of purchasing a home, so I bundled up the broken bits, replaced the cover and set everything aside. Here we are today with the piece curing in a vise (almost 24 hours) and I am getting ready to pull the cover on my long lost friend. It looks like the Plastic Weld is going to do the trick, I had thought of using a tie wrap as and additional protector, so glad you suggested it. :) What a PITA to get that tiny fellow to rejoin it's previous "attachment" -- grrr Guess being an OCD perfectionist didn't help much. Although I sure didn't like leaving her sit for so many months without use-- I guess we'll see how she fared later today. Lots of really great information here among everyone -- so very appreciated! I lurk more than post, but seems when I do post it usually turns out to be somewhat of a novel ..... LOL Looks like before I get much more involved I need to invest in a set of JIS screwdrivers -- anyone have any brand/supplier recommends without breaking the bank, seeing as I have a couple other money pit projects in the works -- yeesh Haven't looked into the usual sources yet, just thinking out loud.... Happy Listening, Richard From perpetua at q.com Tue Jun 21 17:35:31 2011 From: perpetua at q.com (perpetua at q.com) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 08:35:31 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Patty In-Reply-To: <2828E57470114C72B8C672AC50F9F492@UserPC> References: <848358.50041.qm@web160615.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, , , , , <000601cc2e57$cf66b930$6e342b90$@net>, , <0LN20047103ME7A0@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>, , , <2828E57470114C72B8C672AC50F9F492@UserPC> Message-ID: <4E00BA43.7060702@q.com> Saw your post and you just /have/ to be Patty that was in the parts dept... You were extremely helpful on more than one occasion -- especially when I did the gear update on my RX-202. You may remember me, 'cause I can be pretty "colorful" at times LOL and we spoke quite a bit. I think I was doing wholesale Porsche parts at the time ..... Hope things are well for you, I remember you as being a top notch parts tech-- something not easily forgotten in this day of "unservice " Richard On 6/20/2011 5:23 PM, Patty wrote: > > Just for info. I ship a lot from where I work and if it doesn't have > to be there fast. Aloha frt./vessal is the best. They have shipment > going back and forth all the time. They also do quotes. > > Patty (old Nakamichi employee) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From r1seals at yahoo.com Wed Jun 22 04:39:37 2011 From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 19:39:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <330289.14801.qm@web113316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> good one Cheryl  would like to visit  Hawaii Russ --- On Tue, 6/21/11, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: From: Cheryl Kaupp Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Tuesday, June 21, 2011, 1:16 PM It was a racing slick.... ***grin*** From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Russ Seals Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 5:37 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport you bought a tire for 150 bucks  If this hobby gets this expensive  for a idler tire I think I will find a different hobby. wow 150 dollars.just my $.02 Russ --- On Mon, 6/20/11, john taylor wrote: From: john taylor Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, June 20, 2011, 3:07 AM #yiv1871876844 .yiv1871876844hmmessage P { PADDING-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN:0px;PADDING-LEFT:0px;PADDING-RIGHT:0px;PADDING-TOP:0px;} #yiv1871876844 .yiv1871876844hmmessage { FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma;FONT-SIZE:10pt;} Sorry Cheryl too late I bought it 150$ shipped to the UK !!                                                                  John. Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 16:11:51 -0400 To: naktalk at naks.com From: josephjean at verizon.net Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Do you know any military and have it shipped FPO? At 03:09 PM 6/19/2011, you wrote: Considered it but he wanted to ship it UPS to Hawaii---about $150. I avoid any sellers that will only ship UPS or FEDEX to Hawaii since it is a total rip-off. It costs about 4 times what the post office charges to ship anything to Hawaii using UPS/FEDEX. . The interesting part is the UPS and FEDEX rates from Hawaii to the mainland are competitive with the post office. Go figure.   Aloha, Cheryl From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [ mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Mechner Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 10:07 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Why don’t you go for this one:   http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300566821940&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT   Adrian   From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [ mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 9:05 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport     Was just joking anyway. But if Norman wants to give it to me I'll even pay shipping. :-)  What would life be if we couldn't have our dreams?   I did run an ad in Craigslist Big Island, "Looking for Nakamichi Cassette Decks" under "Wanted to Buy". So far the only response was someone with a CR1A that wanted to know how many $$$$ he would get. He hasn't responded to questions about its operational status or cosmetic condition. I'll just keep running the ad. Maybe someday someone in the middle of the big pond will have a CR7A,  ZX7, 1000ZXL, or Dragon that they want to sell. 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URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Wed Jun 22 19:12:33 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 07:12:33 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport In-Reply-To: <330289.14801.qm@web113316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <330289.14801.qm@web113316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: It's lovely here. Let me know if you ever make it to the Big Island. _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Russ Seals Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 4:40 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport good one Cheryl would like to visit Hawaii Russ --- On Tue, 6/21/11, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: From: Cheryl Kaupp Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Tuesday, June 21, 2011, 1:16 PM It was a racing slick.... ***grin*** _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Russ Seals Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 5:37 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport you bought a tire for 150 bucks If this hobby gets this expensive for a idler tire I think I will find a different hobby. wow 150 dollars.just my $.02 Russ --- On Mon, 6/20/11, john taylor wrote: From: john taylor Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, June 20, 2011, 3:07 AM Sorry Cheryl too late I bought it 150$ shipped to the UK !! John. _____ Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 16:11:51 -0400 To: naktalk at naks.com From: josephjean at verizon.net Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Do you know any military and have it shipped FPO? At 03:09 PM 6/19/2011, you wrote: Considered it but he wanted to ship it UPS to Hawaii---about $150. I avoid any sellers that will only ship UPS or FEDEX to Hawaii since it is a total rip-off. It costs about 4 times what the post office charges to ship anything to Hawaii using UPS/FEDEX. . The interesting part is the UPS and FEDEX rates from Hawaii to the mainland are competitive with the post office. Go figure. Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [ mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Mechner Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 10:07 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Why don't you go for this one: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=300566821940&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT Adrian From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [ mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 9:05 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Idler tires classic transport Was just joking anyway. But if Norman wants to give it to me I'll even pay shipping. :-) What would life be if we couldn't have our dreams? I did run an ad in Craigslist Big Island, "Looking for Nakamichi Cassette Decks" under "Wanted to Buy". So far the only response was someone with a CR1A that wanted to know how many $$$$ he would get. He hasn't responded to questions about its operational status or cosmetic condition. I'll just keep running the ad. Maybe someday someone in the middle of the big pond will have a CR7A, ZX7, 1000ZXL, or Dragon that they want to sell. 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I tried some actions to solve the problem: 1 - Clean all record path 2 - Demagnetize the heads 3 - I turned off the NAAC motor and tryed to aligning the record head using tone/bias bilt in calibration looking for the high levels in the Dragon display. None of this actions worked and the problem is the same. Someone have a idea about what can I do to solve this problem? Many thanks in advance. Best regards from Brazil. Flavio. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adrian at mechner.net Wed Jun 22 17:18:23 2011 From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 08:18:23 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon poor record quality at left channel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002701cc30ef$a10e7ce0$e32b76a0$@net> You probably did the demagnetization wrong. This is a typical symptom for that. When you "enter" and "exit" the area you have to do it with a constant speed, very slow; you need to draw circles from inside out on the heads. A cure would be to redo the process or use my secret of demag: start a recording 10 times in a row like Rec/Stop; Rec/Stop. This will get you to skip the need of using a demagnetization tool. Good luck, Adrian From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Flavio Belato Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 5:53 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Dragon poor record quality at left channel Hello. I was wondering if you could help me with a problem with my Dragon. The playback sound is ok using every tapes, NAAC is working fine but recording sound quality in left channel is poor, lower and have a little loss in the high frequencies. I think the record head is misaligned. I tried some actions to solve the problem: 1 - Clean all record path 2 - Demagnetize the heads 3 - I turned off the NAAC motor and tryed to aligning the record head using tone/bias bilt in calibration looking for the high levels in the Dragon display. None of this actions worked and the problem is the same. Someone have a idea about what can I do to solve this problem? Many thanks in advance. Best regards from Brazil. Flavio. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se Wed Jun 22 19:51:29 2011 From: paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?P=E4r_Ericsson?=) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 19:51:29 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon poor record quality at left channel References: Message-ID: I had the same problem on my Dragon. Showed up to be the encoding Dolby ic for the r/h channel. My deck was impossible to calibrate with the built in tone generators (could not reach 0dB). . See if there´s a big difference when you calibrate with or w/o Dolby (should normaly be in off position during calibration). If there is, you could try to swap the ic´s and see if the fault moves to the other channel. Best of luck/Pelle. ----- Original Message ----- From: Flavio Belato To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 2:53 PM Subject: [naktalk] Dragon poor record quality at left channel Hello. I was wondering if you could help me with a problem with my Dragon. The playback sound is ok using every tapes, NAAC is working fine but recording sound quality in left channel is poor, lower and have a little loss in the high frequencies. I think the record head is misaligned. I tried some actions to solve the problem: 1 - Clean all record path 2 - Demagnetize the heads 3 - I turned off the NAAC motor and tryed to aligning the record head using tone/bias bilt in calibration looking for the high levels in the Dragon display. None of this actions worked and the problem is the same. Someone have a idea about what can I do to solve this problem? Many thanks in advance. Best regards from Brazil. Flavio. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark8559 at hotmail.com Thu Jun 23 01:02:00 2011 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 17:02:00 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] JIS screwdrivers set In-Reply-To: <4E00B87F.1010802@q.com> References: <4E00B87F.1010802@q.com> Message-ID: I would also like to know where to find a JIS screwdrivers set. Anyone have any brand/supplier to reccomend? I believe I asked for advice years ago, but no response. > Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 08:27:59 -0700 > From: perpetua at q.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Thanks Perry !! > > Just wanted to say a huge thank you for guiding me in the right > direction on which glue to use for my Dragon's plastic power bar. > Took a little doing for me to find the glue seeing as I live in a semi - > remote area -- should have just bought it off the bay like I ended up > doing. > > A little over a year ago I depressed the power switch on my lil beast, > and the button lost all tension, of course I freaked out, but when I > pulled the cover I found what happened, was able to reclaim the tiny > broken piece and breathed a somewhat sigh of relief. > > At the time I was in the middle of purchasing a home, so I bundled up > the broken bits, replaced the cover and set everything aside. Here we > are today with the piece curing in a vise (almost 24 hours) and I am > getting ready to pull the cover on my long lost friend. It looks like > the Plastic Weld is going to do the trick, I had thought of using a tie > wrap as and additional protector, so glad you suggested it. :) > What a PITA to get that tiny fellow to rejoin it's previous > "attachment" -- grrr Guess being an OCD perfectionist didn't help much. > > Although I sure didn't like leaving her sit for so many months without > use-- I guess we'll see how she fared later today. > > Lots of really great information here among everyone -- so very > appreciated! > > I lurk more than post, but seems when I do post it usually turns out to > be somewhat of a novel ..... LOL > > Looks like before I get much more involved I need to invest in a set of > JIS screwdrivers -- > anyone have any brand/supplier recommends without breaking the bank, > seeing as I have a couple other money pit projects in the works -- yeesh > Haven't looked into the usual sources yet, just thinking out loud.... > > Happy Listening, > > Richard > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gamve at ozemail.com.au Thu Jun 23 07:31:51 2011 From: gamve at ozemail.com.au (gamve at ozemail.com.au) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 05:31:51 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] JIS screwdrivers set Message-ID: <63346.1308807111@ozemail.com.au> Hi Mark, I brought a set from the US a while back but can't for the life of me remember the company. Google might help On Thu Jun 23 9:02 , Mark Exstedt sent: > > > > > >I would also like to know where to find a JIS screwdrivers set. Anyone have any brand/supplier to reccomend? I believe I asked for advice years ago, but no response. >  > > >> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 08:27:59 -0700 >> From: perpetua at q.com >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] Thanks Perry !! >> >> Just wanted to say a huge thank you for guiding me in the right >> direction on which glue to use for my Dragon's plastic power bar. >> Took a little doing for me to find the glue seeing as I live in a semi - >> remote area -- should have just bought it off the bay like I ended up >> doing. >> >> A little over a year ago I depressed the power switch on my lil beast, >> and the button lost all tension, of course I freaked out, but when I >> pulled the cover I found what happened, was able to reclaim the tiny >> broken piece and breathed a somewhat sigh of relief. >> >> At the time I was in the middle of purchasing a home, so I bundled up >> the broken bits, replaced the cover and set everything aside. Here we >> are today with the piece curing in a vise (almost 24 hours) and I am >> getting ready to pull the cover on my long lost friend. It looks like >> the Plastic Weld is going to do the trick, I had thought of using a tie >> wrap as and additional protector, so glad you suggested it. :) >> What a PITA to get that tiny fellow to rejoin it's previous >> "attachment" -- grrr Guess being an OCD perfectionist didn't help much. >> >> Although I sure didn't like leaving her sit for so many months without >> use-- I guess we'll see how she fared later today. >> >> Lots of really great information here among everyone -- so very >> appreciated! >> >> I lurk more than post, but seems when I do post it usually turns out to >> be somewhat of a novel ..... LOL >> >> Looks like before I get much more involved I need to invest in a set of >> JIS screwdrivers -- >> anyone have any brand/supplier recommends without breaking the bank, >> seeing as I have a couple other money pit projects in the works -- yeesh >> Haven't looked into the usual sources yet, just thinking out loud.... >> >> Happy Listening, >> >> Richard >> > > > From perry.nak at comcast.net Thu Jun 23 12:30:55 2011 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:30:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] JIS and Ceramic Screwdrivers In-Reply-To: <1095919780.64853.1308824504734.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1125493786.64957.1308825055241.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> I bought this set and have been quite pleased. http://www.amazon.com/JIS-Type-Driver-Set-Pollicis/dp/B0001X0SK8/ref=pd_cp_hi_1 And I use these ALL the time, as they don't cause level changes as when using metal tipped blades.  Pot adjustments only. They might also carry JIS drivers as well. In fact, they might carry the same set as in the Amazon above. http://www.mpja.com/prodinfo.asp?number=11865+TL -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Fri Jun 24 00:38:27 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:38:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 Belt Changing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1308868707.93127.YahooMailClassic@web130102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > ... If [the flywheel] seems a little rough you might try some really fine bronze or steel wool I would caution against using any abrasive on flywheels. They are made of comparatively soft metal and could be scratched. This could result in uncorrectable mechanical noise  and/or flutter. For best 'grab power', the flywheel should be absolutely clean. Is should be cleaned thoroughly and never touch with the fingers. Iso propyl alcohol 99% works well and in stubborn cases I use MEK (usual sever warnings apply!) The belt, too, should be in good condition and clean. I have never, ever, seen a case when scratching metal mating surfaces was necessary. -- Ron --- On Wed, 6/15/11, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: From: Cheryl Kaupp Subject: RE: [naktalk] LX-3 Belt Changing To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Wednesday, June 15, 2011, 2:10 PM Dan,   The "old mechanic" in me says that the flywheels need to be smooth enough for the belt to grip without slipping. They also need to be free of rough areas that might abrade the belt. If it seems a little rough you might try some really fine bronze or steel wool to clean it up a bit. Someone correct me if that is a big no-no. But be sure to do the cleaning far away from the transport and the deck so that you don't get any of the very fine metal particles in places where they shouldn't be. Then be sure to remove every bit of the particles from the flywheels/capstans.   I used sewing machine oil to lube my capstans. The original oil on my 581 and 582 was a lightweight oil -- not a grease. I put a tiny, tiny bit of oil where the capstans contact the bearings. Be careful not to get any on the capstans anywhere near where they contact the tape. After you insert the capstans, be sure to clean off the tape ends one more time just to make sure. If you extract them for any reason you will need to clean off the capstans agains since you will contaminate the tape ends whenever you extracft them.   I think you have a houseguest in your spring. Hope he's friendly!   Don't know about the washer -- don't remember seeing anything like that in mine. But I seem to recall something similar happened to someone else -- maybe that was the nut used as a spacer on a motor or something.   Someone more knowledgable please speak up, but I don't think there should have been green grease on the bearings. Grease is fairly heavy and causes a certain amount of drag. It's better for heavy wear surfaces like auto wheel bearings, u-joints, etc. It seems that it might cause a wow & flutter problem. If I am correct about the grease, then it is likely that someone else tinkered with this deck. Maybe that was the source of the washer.   Have fun! Cheryl From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Sadler Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 1:17 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-3 Belt Changing Fred and Cheryl, Thanks for the information and advice on my LX-3 repair.  Following the service manual (thanks to EBAMAN) I removed the transport assembly without major difficulty - though the connectors to the circuit boards were a little tighter than expected (I seem to remember that there might be a specific connector remover for this task).  There was also a single black wire to the capstan motor that was soldered directly to the circuit board which I did not anticipate from the service manual.  I might install a connector on it to facilitate future repairs. I did notice a few things that concerned me.  First, the surfaces of the capstan flywheels that contact the capstan belt have small patches of corrosion and pitting where the belt makes contact.  It is minimal compared to what I saw at:  http://nakamichi700zxl.blogspot.com/ .  Isopropyl alcohol and a plastic "scrubby" removed the dried bits of old belt but some of the  corrosion remained.  I was wondering how smooth these surfaces need to be and what cleaners/abrasives are OK to use as I don't want to damage the function of these parts in an attempt to make them look good. I also managed to get a bunch of dirt into the thrust bearing grease.  The green grease was hardening near the base of the hemispherical bearing surface but still looked like it was working at the contact point.  Anyway, because I had gotten dirt in it, I removed it completely before realizing it would have to be replaced. (Yes, my desire to fix things "right now" instead of "the right way" often gets me in trouble.  I have some Diawa fishing reel grease that looks about the same consistency and color so was wondering if that is appropriate or if there is a recommended product I should use instead? A local hobby shop that specializes in RC cars and planes might have a variety of lubricants or maybe something from a bike shop? I also noticed that there is some play in between the thrust bearing screws and the flywheel.  The service manual gives some confusing instructions on how to set this or should I just leave it alone? The idler tire passes all of Cheryl's criteria and looks much better than the pictures Greg recently posted of his 700 ZXE rebuild, though there are some wear marks on the plastic reels it contacts that might indicate slipping. As much as I want to get that new tire in there, I think I should see how it works with the old one before tackling this tricky job. There is a small amount of large particle dust on many surfaces that looks like degrading foam bits.  Is there supposed to be a small piece of foam inside the lid arm spring that connects to the pneumatic damper ass'y or did something build a nest in there?  Something inside the spring looks like like it is falling apart and I want to remove it.  Maybe it is there to keep it from squeaking or give the control a better "feel"? Lastly, an unidentified washer fell out of the assembly while I was working on it and I can't figure out where it goes.  It is a translucent plastic washer with the following dimensions: OD - 5/16" (7.94mm) ID - 3/32" (2.38mm) Thickness - 1.25/64" (0.50mm) I followed the LX-3 Service Manual Section 2: Removal Instructions to the letter from 2.1 thru 2.5 and then 2.14 Capstan Motor Ass'y and Flywheel Ass'y.  Any ideas where this washer is supposed to go?  Or did some previous/devious tech throw it in loose to confuse me? Again, thanks for all your help and advice.   I'm really enjoying this little project and anticipating the day I get to hear the results. Dan On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 8:06 PM, Fred Longworth wrote: Caig DeoxIT D-5 is the specific formulation. It's available at Guitar Center, Dan. It restores touchy switches and noisy controls better than any other chemical. For "tough jobs" where the oxidation is very deep, Caig DeoxIT Gold should be used. The Gold also has the wonderful property of much higher dielectric resistance. This means it can be used to treat selector switches in tube amplifiers where voltages are present on the switch contacts of the INPUT SELECTOR as high as 350-500vdc. (Traditional contact restorers often arc!) Note that I use the terms "treat" and "restore." This class of chemicals is often referred to as a "cleaner." The way it works is not actually cleaning. There is only limited removal of debris, in that the chemical does not "wash out" the switch or control. In any case, dust is not the actual substance that is being dealt with -- it's oxidation. Caig formulations contain a strong de-oxidant, a lubricant, and a something to prevent (for a time) a recurrence of the oxidation. You might find it interesting that for a time the California Bureau of Electronic & Appliance Repair actually cited repair shops that wrote "cleaned switches and controls" on their service invoices. Truly a classic case of government regulation gone wild. I mean, who really cares other than some field agent trying to get his numbers up? Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Sadler Dan wrote: Thank you, Fred, I appreciate your suggestions.  Regarding the idler tire, as I don't have a torque meter, it sounds like fast wind performance is my best indicator.  I think I'll replace all the belts first along with your cleaning and lube suggestions then see how things work and leave the idler tire until needed. One question, where might I find the DeoxIT for sale?  Radio Shack, Home Depot? Again, thanks for the help, Dan On Jun 8, 2011, at 11:08 PM, Fred Longworth wrote: Hi Dan, 1. Just slip it on. 2. Clean the tracks on both the control motor pulley and the large pulley the drives the cam. 3. At your option. Most techs would replace these as well. 4. Yes. This is more difficult. Regarding (4), one useful test is to measure the takeup torque using a torque-meter. When the idler has deteriorated, torque is much reduced, often to as little as 10 gm-cm. Moreover, the torque will display a great deal of instantaneous variance. This will slightly degrade the wow-and-flutter figure. Additionally, fast wind will be impaired. This will be especially noticeable on tapes with internal reel damping, such as TDK SA-X. Replacing the idler tire is a delicate operation. Do your homework before attempting this. A drop of light machine oil on the capstan bearing is useful. Be sure to wipe off all excess. Clean the pinch rollers to remove dead rubber and oxide buildup. We often treat the pinch rollers with rubber rejuvenator. Some may object to this practice. We have found it highly useful on a broad spectrum of tape machines. Treat all switches and controls on the frontpanel that are involved in signal processing with Caig DeoxIT D-5. I caution against overspray. The chemical must be introduced into the switch or control from the rear, not through the frontpanel as a few online idiots suggest. Demagnetize the heads. Do your homework before attempting this. Fred Owner Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Sadler Dan wrote: On recommendations from this forum, I  ordered and have received a replacement belt kit from my LX-3 from Marrs Communication and wanted to consult the group before installing them.  The only belt that is broken in the LX-3 is the control motor belt (square profile). 1. Can I just slip the new control motor belt on or does the cam drive gear need to be in a particular orientation? 2. Do I need to clean the surfaces of the gear(s) with alcohol before installing the belt? 3. Should I go ahead and replace the capstan belt and counter belt at the same time? 4. An idler tire was included with the belts, but I see from the forum that installation is not trivial. How can I tell if I need to replace the idler tire? 5. Anything else to consider such as lubrication or cleaning? Any other hints or suggestions are appreciated. 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URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Fri Jun 24 01:05:01 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 16:05:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon poor record quality at left channel In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1308870301.22117.YahooMailClassic@web130106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The problem could be either in the record head or in the electronics. To locate it, I would swap the connections between the channels at the record head. Not too difficult if you have the right soldering iron and experience. After the swap, if the problem stays in the left channel, the head -- including alignment -- is fine. If it moves to the right channel, suspect the head. -- Ron --- On Tue, 6/21/11, Flavio Belato wrote: From: Flavio Belato Subject: [naktalk] Dragon poor record quality at left channel To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, June 21, 2011, 8:53 AM Hello. I was wondering if you could help me with a problem with my Dragon. The playback sound is ok using  every tapes, NAAC is working fine but recording sound quality in left channel is poor, lower and have a little loss in the high frequencies. I think the record head is misaligned. I tried some actions to solve the problem: 1 - Clean all record path 2 - Demagnetize the heads 3 - I turned off the NAAC motor and tryed to aligning the record head using tone/bias bilt in calibration looking for the high levels in the Dragon display. None of this actions worked and the problem is the same. Someone have a idea about what can I do to solve this problem? Many thanks in advance. Best regards from Brazil. 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URL: From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Sat Jun 25 13:06:07 2011 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 13:06:07 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] JIS and Ceramic Screwdrivers In-Reply-To: <1125493786.64957.1308825055241.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <1095919780.64853.1308824504734.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <1125493786.64957.1308825055241.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <000001cc3327$e24278d0$a6c76a70$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Hi, I recently bought http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=250553497356&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT It costs almost nothing but the quality is good. Regards Norman Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens perry.nak at comcast.net Verzonden: donderdag 23 juni 2011 12:31 Aan: naktalk at naks.com Onderwerp: [naktalk] JIS and Ceramic Screwdrivers I bought this set and have been quite pleased. http://www.amazon.com/JIS-Type-Driver-Set-Pollicis/dp/B0001X0SK8/ref=pd_cp_hi_1 And I use these ALL the time, as they don't cause level changes as when using metal tipped blades. Pot adjustments only. They might also carry JIS drivers as well. In fact, they might carry the same set as in the Amazon above. http://www.mpja.com/prodinfo.asp?number=11865+TL -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From r1seals at yahoo.com Thu Jun 23 16:53:21 2011 From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 07:53:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] JIS screwdrivers set In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <736307.28840.qm@web113303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> http://wihatools.com/pro_Precision.htm I use these and there not to bad I bought them at a hobby store. Russ --- On Wed, 6/22/11, Mark Exstedt wrote: From: Mark Exstedt Subject: [naktalk] JIS screwdrivers set To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 6:02 PM I would also like to know where to find a JIS screwdrivers set. Anyone have any brand/supplier to reccomend? I believe I asked for advice years ago, but no response.   > Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 08:27:59 -0700 > From: perpetua at q.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Thanks Perry !! > > Just wanted to say a huge thank you for guiding me in the right > direction on which glue to use for my Dragon's plastic power bar. > Took a little doing for me to find the glue seeing as I live in a semi - > remote area -- should have just bought it off the bay like I ended up > doing. > > A little over a year ago I depressed the power switch on my lil beast, > and the button lost all tension, of course I freaked out, but when I > pulled the cover I found what happened, was able to reclaim the tiny > broken piece and breathed a somewhat sigh of relief. > > At the time I was in the middle of purchasing a home, so I bundled up > the broken bits, replaced the cover and set everything aside. Here we > are today with the piece curing in a vise (almost 24 hours) and I am > getting ready to pull the cover on my long lost friend. It looks like > the Plastic Weld is going to do the trick, I had thought of using a tie > wrap as and additional protector, so glad you suggested it. :) > What a PITA to get that tiny fellow to rejoin it's previous > "attachment" -- grrr Guess being an OCD perfectionist didn't help much. > > Although I sure didn't like leaving her sit for so many months without > use-- I guess we'll see how she fared later today. > > Lots of really great information here among everyone -- so very > appreciated! > > I lurk more than post, but seems when I do post it usually turns out to > be somewhat of a novel ..... LOL > > Looks like before I get much more involved I need to invest in a set of > JIS screwdrivers -- > anyone have any brand/supplier recommends without breaking the bank, > seeing as I have a couple other money pit projects in the works -- yeesh > Haven't looked into the usual sources yet, just thinking out loud.... > > Happy Listening, > > Richard > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From jmrecchia at gmail.com Mon Jun 27 14:23:32 2011 From: jmrecchia at gmail.com (Flavio Belato) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 09:23:32 -0300 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon poor record quality at left channel In-Reply-To: <1308870301.22117.YahooMailClassic@web130106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <1308870301.22117.YahooMailClassic@web130106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello! I found the mistake in the recording quality on the Dragon. I noticed that the level is shown in the Meter is out of calibration, because when I select the SW-Tape/Source to source using the bilt in test tone, the bias level is different from 0, if I calibrate the bias according to that is shown (non zero level) the quality in left channel is perfect. So to solve the issue, I have to recalibrate what is shown on the meter to the 0 point when source is selected. If I remember, at the past when source was selected the bilt in test tone was shown at the 0 point in the meter for 400hz and 15khz test. I have the Dragon Service Manual and I will try to adjust. I would like to thank everyone attention. Best regards from Brazil. Flavio. 2011/6/23 Ron > > The problem could be either in the record head or in the > electronics. To locate it, I would swap the connections > between the channels at the record head. Not too > difficult if you have the right soldering iron and experience. > > After the swap, if the problem stays in the left channel, the > head -- including alignment -- is fine. If it moves to the right > channel, suspect the head. > > -- Ron > > > > > --- On *Tue, 6/21/11, Flavio Belato * wrote: > > > From: Flavio Belato > Subject: [naktalk] Dragon poor record quality at left channel > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Tuesday, June 21, 2011, 8:53 AM > > Hello. > I was wondering if you could help me with a problem with my Dragon. > The playback sound is ok using every tapes, NAAC is working fine but > recording sound quality in left channel is poor, lower and have a little > loss in the high frequencies. > I think the record head is misaligned. > I tried some actions to solve the problem: > 1 - Clean all record path > 2 - Demagnetize the heads > 3 - I turned off the NAAC motor and tryed to aligning the record head using > tone/bias bilt in calibration looking for the high levels in the Dragon > display. > None of this actions worked and the problem is the same. > Someone have a idea about what can I do to solve this problem? > Many thanks in advance. > Best regards from Brazil. > Flavio. > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.commailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Mon Jun 27 17:44:19 2011 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 08:44:19 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon poor record quality at left channel In-Reply-To: References: <1308870301.22117.YahooMailClassic@web130106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The Dragon has internal adjustments for each test tone level as well as the meter level for each. There are also playback meter calibration pots. Make sure you follow the procedure in the manual. Unless you have a playback test tape don't adjust the meter levels since that will throw everything off. Best is to have a good quality external meter and test tape to make sure everything is set correctly. Willy On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 5:23 AM, Flavio Belato wrote: > Hello! > > I found the mistake in the recording quality on the Dragon. > I noticed that the level is shown in the Meter is out of calibration, > because when I select the SW-Tape/Source to source using the bilt in test > tone, the bias level is different from 0, if I calibrate the bias according > to that is shown (non zero level) the quality in left channel is perfect. > So to solve the issue, I have to recalibrate what is shown on the meter to > the 0 point when source is selected. > If I remember, at the past when source was selected the bilt in test tone > was shown at the 0 point in the meter for 400hz and 15khz test. > I have the Dragon Service Manual and I will try to adjust. > > I would like to thank everyone attention. > > > Best regards from Brazil. > > Flavio. > > > 2011/6/23 Ron > >> >> The problem could be either in the record head or in the >> electronics. To locate it, I would swap the connections >> between the channels at the record head. Not too >> difficult if you have the right soldering iron and experience. >> >> After the swap, if the problem stays in the left channel, the >> head -- including alignment -- is fine. If it moves to the right >> channel, suspect the head. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> >> --- On *Tue, 6/21/11, Flavio Belato * wrote: >> >> >> From: Flavio Belato >> Subject: [naktalk] Dragon poor record quality at left channel >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Date: Tuesday, June 21, 2011, 8:53 AM >> >> Hello. >> I was wondering if you could help me with a problem with my Dragon. >> The playback sound is ok using every tapes, NAAC is working fine but >> recording sound quality in left channel is poor, lower and have a little >> loss in the high frequencies. >> I think the record head is misaligned. >> I tried some actions to solve the problem: >> 1 - Clean all record path >> 2 - Demagnetize the heads >> 3 - I turned off the NAAC motor and tryed to aligning the record head >> using tone/bias bilt in calibration looking for the high levels in the >> Dragon display. >> None of this actions worked and the problem is the same. >> Someone have a idea about what can I do to solve this problem? >> Many thanks in advance. >> Best regards from Brazil. >> Flavio. >> >> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.commailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 28 04:55:56 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 19:55:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak700ZXL playback PCB clone In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <189030.45686.qm@web160611.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> HI Mike, This is an interesting project, although I would advice you to study carefully the component placement layout and track layout of the board carefully. If a good replacement can be made, I would certainly love to put in my order. Having said that, I realize that by 'wetting' the solder joint before de-soldering would prevent damage to the tracks. Another measure would be to use wicks to remove the solder or use a small solder sucker. The large ones used on modern boards tend to use excessive force that causes the aging epoxy on the board to yield. A replacement board would definitely be a good thing - remember that this board is common for both the 700ZXL and the 1000ZXL. Cheers! Bala ________________________________ From: Mikemaxcel To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sun, June 26, 2011 7:06:35 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nak700ZXL playback PCB clone One of the weakest link of Nak 700ZXL is the PCB used.The copper tracks are easily torn and broken that causing lot of playback and recording problems.To solve the problems once and for all, I am thinking of cloning those audio boards (four all together) starting with playback PCB first. PCB spec： Fiberglass 2mm with 2oz or 3 oz copper track PTH， Silkscreen and Component ID Solder Mask The final price would be around 15 USD/piece with 30 copies order. Email me if you are interested. Mikemaxcel AT gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Tue Jun 28 06:52:37 2011 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 06:52:37 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak700ZXL playback PCB clone In-Reply-To: <189030.45686.qm@web160611.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <189030.45686.qm@web160611.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000601cc354f$33c1d010$9b457030$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Hi Mike , I am intrested in a complete set of all four boards because i have here a “spare” 1000 ZXL with missing boards. The pre owner has used the boards in another deck so I have only the RAMM and the cpu board in this machine. Maybe a good idea to rebuild them. The serial of this spare parts deck is 1001 so i wonder , maybe the First 1000 ZXL ? Regards Norman Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens Bala Ganesh Chandra Verzonden: dinsdag 28 juni 2011 4:56 Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Onderwerp: Re: [naktalk] Nak700ZXL playback PCB clone HI Mike, This is an interesting project, although I would advice you to study carefully the component placement layout and track layout of the board carefully. If a good replacement can be made, I would certainly love to put in my order. Having said that, I realize that by 'wetting' the solder joint before de-soldering would prevent damage to the tracks. Another measure would be to use wicks to remove the solder or use a small solder sucker. The large ones used on modern boards tend to use excessive force that causes the aging epoxy on the board to yield. A replacement board would definitely be a good thing - remember that this board is common for both the 700ZXL and the 1000ZXL. Cheers! Bala _____ From: Mikemaxcel To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sun, June 26, 2011 7:06:35 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nak700ZXL playback PCB clone One of the weakest link of Nak 700ZXL is the PCB used.The copper tracks are easily torn and broken that causing lot of playback and recording problems.To solve the problems once and for all, I am thinking of cloning those audio boards (four all together) starting with playback PCB first. PCB spec： Fiberglass 2mm with 2oz or 3 oz copper track PTH， Silkscreen and Component ID Solder Mask The final price would be around 15 USD/piece with 30 copies order. Email me if you are interested. Mikemaxcel AT gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 28 08:40:49 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 23:40:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak700ZXL playback PCB clone In-Reply-To: <000601cc354f$33c1d010$9b457030$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> References: <189030.45686.qm@web160611.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <000601cc354f$33c1d010$9b457030$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Message-ID: <642881.48344.qm@web160615.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hi Norman, Given this situation, it may be more interesting if a new design could be come up with. Combined with new technology boards, if a newer, more quieter circuit can be designed, then may prove even more interesting. The original design used a JFET front end followed by op-amps throughout. The decision to use JFETs proves to be an interesting one as these are the only decks I know where Nak used this technology. JFETs were given considerable thought in the 70s especially for small signal applications (like phono stages) and some good sounding designs did emerge. It may be interesting if these (or even triodes!) can be incorporated into the playback circuits. Cheers! Bala ________________________________ From: Norman van Wijnen To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, June 28, 2011 2:52:37 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak700ZXL playback PCB clone Hi Mike , I am intrested in a complete set of all four boards because i have here a “spare” 1000 ZXL with missing boards. The pre owner has used the boards in another deck so I have only the RAMM and the cpu board in this machine. Maybe a good idea to rebuild them. The serial of this spare parts deck is 1001 so i wonder , maybe the First 1000 ZXL ? Regards Norman Van:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens Bala Ganesh Chandra Verzonden: dinsdag 28 juni 2011 4:56 Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Onderwerp: Re: [naktalk] Nak700ZXL playback PCB clone HI Mike, This is an interesting project, although I would advice you to study carefully the component placement layout and track layout of the board carefully. If a good replacement can be made, I would certainly love to put in my order. Having said that, I realize that by 'wetting' the solder joint before de-soldering would prevent damage to the tracks. Another measure would be to use wicks to remove the solder or use a small solder sucker. The large ones used on modern boards tend to use excessive force that causes the aging epoxy on the board to yield. A replacement board would definitely be a good thing - remember that this board is common for both the 700ZXL and the 1000ZXL. Cheers! Bala ________________________________ From:Mikemaxcel To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sun, June 26, 2011 7:06:35 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nak700ZXL playback PCB clone One of the weakest link of Nak 700ZXL is the PCB used.The copper tracks are easily torn and broken that causing lot of playback and recording problems.To solve the problems once and for all, I am thinking of cloning those audio boards (four all together) starting with playback PCB first. PCB spec： Fiberglass 2mm with 2oz or 3 oz copper track PTH， Silkscreen and Component ID Solder Mask The final price would be around 15 USD/piece with 30 copies order. Email me if you are interested. Mikemaxcel AT gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmrecchia at gmail.com Mon Jun 27 18:41:52 2011 From: jmrecchia at gmail.com (Flavio Belato) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 13:41:52 -0300 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon poor record quality at left channel In-Reply-To: References: <1308870301.22117.YahooMailClassic@web130106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello Whilly. If I follow just the steps 4 and 6 I will adjust just the meter about the test tone levels? The bilt in test tone shouldn't be affected just the meters, I'm right? So many thanks per your attention. Best regards from Brazil. 2011/6/27 Willy Hermann > The Dragon has internal adjustments for each test tone level as well as the > meter level for each. There are also playback meter calibration pots. Make > sure you follow the procedure in the manual. Unless you have a playback > test tape don't adjust the meter levels since that will throw everything > off. Best is to have a good quality external meter and test tape to make > sure everything is set correctly. > > Willy > > On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 5:23 AM, Flavio Belato wrote: > >> Hello! >> >> I found the mistake in the recording quality on the Dragon. >> I noticed that the level is shown in the Meter is out of calibration, >> because when I select the SW-Tape/Source to source using the bilt in test >> tone, the bias level is different from 0, if I calibrate the bias according >> to that is shown (non zero level) the quality in left channel is perfect. >> So to solve the issue, I have to recalibrate what is shown on the meter to >> the 0 point when source is selected. >> If I remember, at the past when source was selected the bilt in test tone >> was shown at the 0 point in the meter for 400hz and 15khz test. >> I have the Dragon Service Manual and I will try to adjust. >> >> I would like to thank everyone attention. >> >> >> Best regards from Brazil. >> >> Flavio. >> >> >> 2011/6/23 Ron >> >>> >>> The problem could be either in the record head or in the >>> electronics. To locate it, I would swap the connections >>> between the channels at the record head. Not too >>> difficult if you have the right soldering iron and experience. >>> >>> After the swap, if the problem stays in the left channel, the >>> head -- including alignment -- is fine. If it moves to the right >>> channel, suspect the head. >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --- On *Tue, 6/21/11, Flavio Belato * wrote: >>> >>> >>> From: Flavio Belato >>> Subject: [naktalk] Dragon poor record quality at left channel >>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>> Date: Tuesday, June 21, 2011, 8:53 AM >>> >>> Hello. >>> I was wondering if you could help me with a problem with my Dragon. >>> The playback sound is ok using every tapes, NAAC is working fine but >>> recording sound quality in left channel is poor, lower and have a little >>> loss in the high frequencies. >>> I think the record head is misaligned. >>> I tried some actions to solve the problem: >>> 1 - Clean all record path >>> 2 - Demagnetize the heads >>> 3 - I turned off the NAAC motor and tryed to aligning the record head >>> using tone/bias bilt in calibration looking for the high levels in the >>> Dragon display. >>> None of this actions worked and the problem is the same. >>> Someone have a idea about what can I do to solve this problem? >>> Many thanks in advance. >>> Best regards from Brazil. >>> Flavio. >>> >>> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >>> >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.commailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmrecchia at gmail.com Mon Jun 27 18:48:26 2011 From: jmrecchia at gmail.com (Flavio Belato) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 13:48:26 -0300 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon poor record quality at left channel In-Reply-To: References: <1308870301.22117.YahooMailClassic@web130106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello. Maybe the picture about the service manual was not posted correctly, it follows attached. So many thanks. BR Flavio. 2011/6/27 Flavio Belato > Hello Whilly. > > If I follow just the steps 4 and 6 I will adjust just the meter about the > test tone levels? > The bilt in test tone shouldn't be affected just the meters, I'm right? > > > So many thanks per your attention. > > Best regards from Brazil. > > > > 2011/6/27 Willy Hermann > >> The Dragon has internal adjustments for each test tone level as well as >> the meter level for each. There are also playback meter calibration pots. >> Make sure you follow the procedure in the manual. Unless you have a >> playback test tape don't adjust the meter levels since that will throw >> everything off. Best is to have a good quality external meter and test tape >> to make sure everything is set correctly. >> >> Willy >> >> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 5:23 AM, Flavio Belato wrote: >> >>> Hello! >>> >>> I found the mistake in the recording quality on the Dragon. >>> I noticed that the level is shown in the Meter is out of calibration, >>> because when I select the SW-Tape/Source to source using the bilt in test >>> tone, the bias level is different from 0, if I calibrate the bias according >>> to that is shown (non zero level) the quality in left channel is perfect. >>> So to solve the issue, I have to recalibrate what is shown on the meter >>> to the 0 point when source is selected. >>> If I remember, at the past when source was selected the bilt in test tone >>> was shown at the 0 point in the meter for 400hz and 15khz test. >>> I have the Dragon Service Manual and I will try to adjust. >>> >>> I would like to thank everyone attention. >>> >>> >>> Best regards from Brazil. >>> >>> Flavio. >>> >>> >>> 2011/6/23 Ron >>> >>>> >>>> The problem could be either in the record head or in the >>>> electronics. To locate it, I would swap the connections >>>> between the channels at the record head. Not too >>>> difficult if you have the right soldering iron and experience. >>>> >>>> After the swap, if the problem stays in the left channel, the >>>> head -- including alignment -- is fine. If it moves to the right >>>> channel, suspect the head. >>>> >>>> -- Ron >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --- On *Tue, 6/21/11, Flavio Belato * wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Flavio Belato >>>> Subject: [naktalk] Dragon poor record quality at left channel >>>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>>> Date: Tuesday, June 21, 2011, 8:53 AM >>>> >>>> Hello. >>>> I was wondering if you could help me with a problem with my Dragon. >>>> The playback sound is ok using every tapes, NAAC is working fine but >>>> recording sound quality in left channel is poor, lower and have a little >>>> loss in the high frequencies. >>>> I think the record head is misaligned. >>>> I tried some actions to solve the problem: >>>> 1 - Clean all record path >>>> 2 - Demagnetize the heads >>>> 3 - I turned off the NAAC motor and tryed to aligning the record head >>>> using tone/bias bilt in calibration looking for the high levels in the >>>> Dragon display. >>>> None of this actions worked and the problem is the same. >>>> Someone have a idea about what can I do to solve this problem? >>>> Many thanks in advance. >>>> Best regards from Brazil. >>>> Flavio. >>>> >>>> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.commailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: >>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: >>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Yuri From w.smetanig at chello.at Tue Jun 28 05:59:42 2011 From: w.smetanig at chello.at (Dr. Wolfgang Smetanig) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 05:59:42 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak700ZXL playback PCB clone In-Reply-To: <189030.45686.qm@web160611.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <189030.45686.qm@web160611.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6042AF53-73A9-4EBF-8A00-595B8546802C@chello.at> Hi Mike, I'm interested in 4 pieces of this PCB! Other boards are welcome, too Regstes Wolfgang Von meinem iPad gesendet Am 28.06.2011 um 04:55 schrieb Bala Ganesh Chandra : > HI Mike, > > This is an interesting project, although I would advice you to study carefully the component placement layout and track layout of the board carefully. If a good replacement can be made, I would certainly love to put in my order. > > Having said that, I realize that by 'wetting' the solder joint before de-soldering would prevent damage to the tracks. Another measure would be to use wicks to remove the solder or use a small solder sucker. The large ones used on modern boards tend to use excessive force that causes the aging epoxy on the board to yield. A replacement board would definitely be a good thing - remember that this board is common for both the 700ZXL and the 1000ZXL. > > Cheers! > Bala > > From: Mikemaxcel > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Sun, June 26, 2011 7:06:35 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Nak700ZXL playback PCB clone > > One of the weakest link of Nak 700ZXL is the PCB used.The copper tracks are easily torn and broken that causing lot of playback and recording problems.To solve the problems once and for all, I am thinking of cloning those audio boards (four all together) starting with playback PCB first. > PCB spec： Fiberglass 2mm with 2oz or 3 oz copper track > PTH， > Silkscreen and Component ID > Solder Mask > The final price would be around 15 USD/piece with 30 copies order. > Email me if you are interested. > Mikemaxcel AT gmail.com > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue Jun 28 11:38:48 2011 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 11:38:48 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak700ZXL playback PCB clone In-Reply-To: <642881.48344.qm@web160615.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <189030.45686.qm@web160611.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <000601cc354f$33c1d010$9b457030$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> <642881.48344.qm@web160615.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5778a203c79863c305c77ee812877fd8.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> THIS sounds me like a very nice idea. If this is the goal, newly designed board(s), then i'm in! Wouter > Given this situation, it may be more interesting if a new design could be > come > up with. Combined with new technology boards, if a newer, more quieter > circuit > can be designed, then may prove even more interesting. The original design > used From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 28 12:53:24 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 03:53:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak700ZXL playback PCB clone In-Reply-To: <5778a203c79863c305c77ee812877fd8.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> References: <189030.45686.qm@web160611.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <000601cc354f$33c1d010$9b457030$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> <642881.48344.qm@web160615.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <5778a203c79863c305c77ee812877fd8.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <1309258404.70832.YahooMailRC@web160604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> There are a few things that could be integrated into this board. The original Dolby ICs could be replaced with a newer chip that has Dolby B, C and S that can be controlled by the front NR selection switch. This could be done and could eliminate the bulky outboard unit (and all that cables!) Cheers! Bala ________________________________ From: Wouter Heijke To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, June 28, 2011 7:38:48 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak700ZXL playback PCB clone THIS sounds me like a very nice idea. If this is the goal, newly designed board(s), then i'm in! Wouter > Given this situation, it may be more interesting if a new design could be > come > up with. Combined with new technology boards, if a newer, more quieter > circuit > can be designed, then may prove even more interesting. The original design > used ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net Tue Jun 28 13:34:06 2011 From: N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net (N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 13:34:06 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak700ZXL playback PCB clone In-Reply-To: <5778a203c79863c305c77ee812877fd8.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> References: <189030.45686.qm@web160611.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <000601cc354f$33c1d010$9b457030$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> <642881.48344.qm@web160615.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <5778a203c79863c305c77ee812877fd8.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <4144.145.44.29.96.1309260846.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> Yes, me to Norman Op Di, 28 juni, 2011 11:38 am schreef Wouter Heijke: > THIS sounds me like a very nice idea. > If this is the goal, newly designed board(s), then i'm in! > Wouter > > >> Given this situation, it may be more interesting if a new design could >> be come up with. Combined with new technology boards, if a newer, more >> quieter circuit can be designed, then may prove even more interesting. >> The original design >> used > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------======== > = > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From ronami at yahoo.com Tue Jun 28 18:11:08 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 09:11:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] input stage op amps in Dragon and CR-7 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1309277468.83323.YahooMailClassic@web130124.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have no clue, but always assumed the DE was tested for noise. I planned to replace this IC on my CR-7 with an OPA2134, but never got a round tuit. -- Ron --- On Mon, 6/27/11, Yuri Regelman wrote: > From: Yuri Regelman > Subject: [naktalk] input stage op amps in Dragon and CR-7 > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Monday, June 27, 2011, 6:08 PM > I noticed that Dragon and CR-7 > service manuals specifically call out > NJM072DE op amps in the input stages, as opposed to just > NJM072D that > are used elsewhere in the circuit.  Does anyone know > what is the > difference between DE vs D?  I searched online for a > while, but could > not find anything relevant. > Just curious,  Thanks! > Yuri > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >           Also check out the wiki! > http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                 >         Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From willy at willyhermannservices.com Tue Jun 28 18:35:50 2011 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 09:35:50 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon poor record quality at left channel In-Reply-To: References: <1308870301.22117.YahooMailClassic@web130106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes - that is items 4 and 5 of calibration step 2 in the manual. At that point you are assuming that the correct levels for the two oscillators have already been set and you are calibrating the visual to match the electronic. Willy On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Flavio Belato wrote: > Hello Whilly. > > If I follow just the steps 4 and 6 I will adjust just the meter about the > test tone levels? > The bilt in test tone shouldn't be affected just the meters, I'm right? > > > So many thanks per your attention. > > Best regards from Brazil. > > > > 2011/6/27 Willy Hermann > >> The Dragon has internal adjustments for each test tone level as well as >> the meter level for each. There are also playback meter calibration pots. >> Make sure you follow the procedure in the manual. Unless you have a >> playback test tape don't adjust the meter levels since that will throw >> everything off. Best is to have a good quality external meter and test tape >> to make sure everything is set correctly. >> >> Willy >> >> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 5:23 AM, Flavio Belato wrote: >> >>> Hello! >>> >>> I found the mistake in the recording quality on the Dragon. >>> I noticed that the level is shown in the Meter is out of calibration, >>> because when I select the SW-Tape/Source to source using the bilt in test >>> tone, the bias level is different from 0, if I calibrate the bias according >>> to that is shown (non zero level) the quality in left channel is perfect. >>> So to solve the issue, I have to recalibrate what is shown on the meter >>> to the 0 point when source is selected. >>> If I remember, at the past when source was selected the bilt in test tone >>> was shown at the 0 point in the meter for 400hz and 15khz test. >>> I have the Dragon Service Manual and I will try to adjust. >>> >>> I would like to thank everyone attention. >>> >>> >>> Best regards from Brazil. >>> >>> Flavio. >>> >>> >>> 2011/6/23 Ron >>> >>>> >>>> The problem could be either in the record head or in the >>>> electronics. To locate it, I would swap the connections >>>> between the channels at the record head. Not too >>>> difficult if you have the right soldering iron and experience. >>>> >>>> After the swap, if the problem stays in the left channel, the >>>> head -- including alignment -- is fine. If it moves to the right >>>> channel, suspect the head. >>>> >>>> -- Ron >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --- On *Tue, 6/21/11, Flavio Belato * wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Flavio Belato >>>> Subject: [naktalk] Dragon poor record quality at left channel >>>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>>> Date: Tuesday, June 21, 2011, 8:53 AM >>>> >>>> Hello. >>>> I was wondering if you could help me with a problem with my Dragon. >>>> The playback sound is ok using every tapes, NAAC is working fine but >>>> recording sound quality in left channel is poor, lower and have a little >>>> loss in the high frequencies. >>>> I think the record head is misaligned. >>>> I tried some actions to solve the problem: >>>> 1 - Clean all record path >>>> 2 - Demagnetize the heads >>>> 3 - I turned off the NAAC motor and tryed to aligning the record head >>>> using tone/bias bilt in calibration looking for the high levels in the >>>> Dragon display. >>>> None of this actions worked and the problem is the same. >>>> Someone have a idea about what can I do to solve this problem? >>>> Many thanks in advance. >>>> Best regards from Brazil. >>>> Flavio. >>>> >>>> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.commailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: >>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: >>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This could be done and could eliminate the bulky outboard unit (and all that cables!) Cheers! Bala From: Wouter Heijke To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, June 28, 2011 7:38:48 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak700ZXL playback PCB clone THIS sounds me like a very nice idea. If this is the goal, newly designed board(s), then i'm in! Wouter > Given this situation, it may be more interesting if a new design could be > come > up with. Combined with new technology boards, if a newer, more quieter > circuit > can be designed, then may prove even more interesting. 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This could be > done and could eliminate the bulky outboard unit (and all that cables!) > > Cheers! > Bala > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Wouter Heijke > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Tue, June 28, 2011 7:38:48 PM > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Nak700ZXL playback PCB clone > > THIS sounds me like a very nice idea. > If this is the goal, newly designed board(s), then i'm in! > Wouter > > > Given this situation, it may be more interesting if a new design could be > > come > > up with. Combined with new technology boards, if a newer, more quieter > > circuit > > can be designed, then may prove even more interesting. 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URL: From r1seals at yahoo.com Tue Jun 28 16:42:31 2011 From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 07:42:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak700ZXL playback PCB clone In-Reply-To: <1309258404.70832.YahooMailRC@web160604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1309272151.12481.YahooMailClassic@web113302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> what a great project I don't have a 700 or a 1000 zxl but for those that do this would be great to keep these things alive especially if they could be designed where the unattainable parts could be changed to something that were easy to acquire from part houses.  this would take all the good folks here that work on these decks to come together for a good layout of the board. I never had any deck with S NR but people that do like it. good call Bala.  --- On Tue, 6/28/11, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak700ZXL playback PCB clone To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, June 28, 2011, 5:53 AM There are a few things that could be integrated into this board. The original  Dolby ICs could be replaced with a newer chip that has Dolby B, C and S that can be controlled by the front NR selection switch. This could be done and could eliminate the bulky outboard unit (and all that cables!) Cheers! Bala From: Wouter Heijke To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, June 28, 2011 7:38:48 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak700ZXL playback PCB clone THIS sounds me like a very nice idea. If this is the goal, newly designed board(s), then i'm in! Wouter > Given this situation, it may be more interesting if a new design could be > come > up with. Combined with new technology boards, if a newer, more quieter > circuit > can be designed, then may prove even more interesting. 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 28 21:16:52 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 05:16:52 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak700ZXL playback PCB clone In-Reply-To: <1309283709.67124.YahooMailClassic@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <1309283709.67124.YahooMailClassic@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <029E118F-8945-43A5-8333-BCE9894305C0@yahoo.com> Hi kannan, If the schematics are looked carefully one can see that the signals pass through the Dolby ICs at all times. the Dolby select lines ( which turn on or off the dolby ) are routed to both the playback and record cards, controlled either by the circuits or the front panel switches depending on the mode. This is why I said in my very first post that one has to study the design very carefully. It can be made to work because I know the designs of these decks allow that. Cheers! Bala Sent from my iPhone On Jun 29, 2011, at 3:55, kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > All these mods will interfere with Autocalibration process ( since dolby processing is muted during autocalibration ) - so your 700ZXL /1000ZXL will not work > Kannan > > --- On Tue, 6/28/11, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak700ZXL playback PCB clone > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Tuesday, June 28, 2011, 6:53 AM > > There are a few things that could be integrated into this board. The original Dolby ICs could be replaced with a newer chip that has Dolby B, C and S that can be controlled by the front NR selection switch. This could be done and could eliminate the bulky outboard unit (and all that cables!) > > Cheers! > Bala > > > From: Wouter Heijke > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Tue, June 28, 2011 7:38:48 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak700ZXL playback PCB clone > > THIS sounds me like a very nice idea. > If this is the goal, newly designed board(s), then i'm in! > Wouter > > > Given this situation, it may be more interesting if a new design could be > > come > > up with. Combined with new technology boards, if a newer, more quieter > > circuit > > can be designed, then may prove even more interesting. 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URL: From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Tue Jun 28 21:34:50 2011 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 21:34:50 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak700ZXL playback PCB clone In-Reply-To: References: <189030.45686.qm@web160611.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <642881.48344.qm@web160615.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <5778a203c79863c305c77ee812877fd8.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <1309258404.70832.YahooMailRC@web160604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001201cc35ca$73d1b190$5b7514b0$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Maybe we have to call that version a super tuned ZXL or something like that Norman Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens Richard Powell Verzonden: dinsdag 28 juni 2011 14:00 Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Onderwerp: Re: [naktalk] Nak700ZXL playback PCB clone that would be an interesting idea. would it still be a Nak, though? or more a Nakenstein? And what would be the impact on residual value? best regards Richard On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 10:53 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: There are a few things that could be integrated into this board. The original Dolby ICs could be replaced with a newer chip that has Dolby B, C and S that can be controlled by the front NR selection switch. This could be done and could eliminate the bulky outboard unit (and all that cables!) Cheers! Bala _____ From: Wouter Heijke To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, June 28, 2011 7:38:48 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak700ZXL playback PCB clone THIS sounds me like a very nice idea. If this is the goal, newly designed board(s), then i'm in! Wouter > Given this situation, it may be more interesting if a new design could be > come > up with. Combined with new technology boards, if a newer, more quieter > circuit > can be designed, then may prove even more interesting. 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The shirt is valued on MJ's signature, not Nakamichi's name  OD ________________________________ From: Mark Exstedt To: naktalk at naks.com; Adam Exstedt ; Chris Exstedt Sent: Tue, June 28, 2011 9:06:54 PM Subject: [naktalk] Silly Nakamichi T-Shirt on Ebay for $899.99 Just when you've thought you seen it all about Nakamichi. On U.S.A. Ebay - a Michael Jackson signed Nakamichi T-Shirt for $899.99 (shipping included):   http://cgi.ebay.com/180688664064?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fshop.ebay.com%3A80%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dm570.l1313%26_nkw%3D180688664064%26_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_fvi%3D1&_rdc=1 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ebay - a Michael Jackson signed Nakamichi T-Shirt for >$899.99 (shipping included): > >http://cgi.ebay.com/180688664064?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fshop.ebay.com%3A80%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dm570.l1313%26_nkw%3D180688664064%26_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_fvi%3D1&_rdc=1 >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland When momentum meets resistance, push harder. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The shirt is valued on MJ's signature, not Nakamichi's name OD _____ From: Mark Exstedt To: naktalk at naks.com; Adam Exstedt ; Chris Exstedt Sent: Tue, June 28, 2011 9:06:54 PM Subject: [naktalk] Silly Nakamichi T-Shirt on Ebay for $899.99 Just when you've thought you seen it all about Nakamichi. On U.S.A. Ebay - a Michael Jackson signed Nakamichi T-Shirt for $899.99 (shipping included): http://cgi.ebay.com/180688664064?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fshop.ebay.com%3A80%2Fi.html %3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dm570.l1313%26_nkw%3D180688664064%26_sacat%3DSee-A ll-Categories%26_fvi%3D1&_rdc=1 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The shirt is valued on MJ's signature, not Nakamichi's name  OD   ________________________________ From:Mark Exstedt To: naktalk at naks.com; Adam Exstedt ; Chris Exstedt Sent: Tue, June 28, 2011 9:06:54 PM Subject: [naktalk] Silly Nakamichi T-Shirt on Ebay for $899.99 Just when you've thought you seen it all about Nakamichi. On U.S.A. Ebay - a Michael Jackson signed Nakamichi T-Shirt for $899.99 (shipping included):   http://cgi.ebay.com/180688664064?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fshop.ebay.com%3A80%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dm570.l1313%26_nkw%3D180688664064%26_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_fvi%3D1&_rdc=1 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fsclaol at yahoo.com Wed Jun 29 18:59:34 2011 From: fsclaol at yahoo.com (Fred S.C. Li) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 09:59:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Revitalized 670ZX and Nak Synergy..... Message-ID: <1309366774.8980.YahooMailClassic@web110805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Want to thank Willy of WHS for bringing a 670ZX back to life and completely back to specs. She sounds fabulous....!!!!! Nak synergy?  Got the 670ZX playing through a SR-3A Stasis receiver and I think they were made for each other. Fred in CT -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ct.waveform at googlemail.com Thu Jun 30 01:47:00 2011 From: ct.waveform at googlemail.com (Christian Thomas) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 00:47:00 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] input stage op amps in Dragon and CR-7 In-Reply-To: <1309277468.83323.YahooMailClassic@web130124.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <1309277468.83323.YahooMailClassic@web130124.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ron, I wouldn't do that if I were you. The humble TLO72, of which I assume this is a generic copy, actually has quite a lively sound. A bit rough in places, but it may be quite a significant part of your nak. Personally I love it, but often I can't get away with its rough and readiness. In the context of tape with a few deficiencies, it might be just the thing to liven it up. Alternatively I could put that more politely saying it would be just the thing because its own problems are unlikely to manifest. Rather than the 2134 I would try a 2604. But that may be a bit dull for your taste. A,lot of people swear by it but I think it is as dull as ditchwater. Depending on how the circuit has been designed - ie is there any reason they chose a fet amp - then you could go for one of the top drawer amps from what was the lme series, like the 4562. You will lose most of the noise advantages if they have quite high impedances, but there is nothing wrong with the amp itself. Again a bjt one of my faves on a more reasonable budget is the lm6171 which also has a dual, 6172. Incidentally, on the subject of the new 700/1000 boards, couldn't one have a lot more fun than just reproducing them? I'd love to hear a deck with really modern stuff in it. Dedicated power supply, decent amps, proper layout and good quality components. We may not have. Been able to convince everyone in 1985, but we probably could now. Best Christian On Jun 28, 2011 5:43 PM, "Ron" wrote: > > I have no clue, but always assumed the DE was > tested for noise. I planned to replace this IC > on my CR-7 with an OPA2134, but never got a > round tuit. > > -- Ron > > > > > --- On Mon, 6/27/11, Yuri Regelman wrote: > >> From: Yuri Regelman >> Subject: [naktalk] input stage op amps in Dragon and CR-7 >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> Date: Monday, June 27, 2011, 6:08 PM >> I noticed that Dragon and CR-7 >> service manuals specifically call out >> NJM072DE op amps in the input stages, as opposed to just >> NJM072D that >> are used elsewhere in the circuit. Does anyone know >> what is the >> difference between DE vs D? I searched online for a >> while, but could >> not find anything relevant. >> Just curious, Thanks! >> Yuri >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! >> http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com >> mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Thu Jun 30 15:12:50 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 06:12:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] input stage op amps in Dragon and CR-7 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1309439570.7116.YahooMailClassic@web130110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The TL072 was 'what's available' 30 years ago. Even then, Nak had to use selected ICs. Today, there are several better options for an audio op-amp, some of which you mentioned. I like the OPA2134 and -- based on both listening test and specs -- prefer it over the OPA2604, even though many prefer otherwise. I had an occasion to compare the two in the same circuit (Hagerman phono preamp) which I built with sockets, for exactly this purpose. The OPA2134 sounds 'cleaner and leaner', which I like. I also compared the OP275, which is not a FET input chip. Sounded very good, with a full bodied character, but -- to me -- not quite as satisfying as the OPA2134. Be aware that all those op-amps sound good. Differences are very subtle and fleeting. In one blind A-B listening test listeners couldn't tell the difference between a TL072 and a straight piece of wire  :-). -- Ron --- On Wed, 6/29/11, Christian Thomas wrote: From: Christian Thomas Subject: Re: [naktalk] input stage op amps in Dragon and CR-7 To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, June 29, 2011, 7:47 PM Ron, I wouldn't do that if I were you. The humble TLO72, of which I assume this is a generic copy, actually has quite a lively sound. A bit rough in places, but it may be quite a significant part of your nak. Personally I love it, but often I can't get away with its rough and readiness. In the context of tape with a few deficiencies, it might be just the thing to liven it up.  Alternatively I could put that more politely saying it would be just the thing because its own problems are unlikely to manifest. Rather than the 2134 I would try a 2604. But that may be a bit dull for your taste. A,lot of people swear by it but I think it is as dull as ditchwater. Depending on how the circuit has been designed - ie is there any reason they chose a fet amp - then you could go for one of the top drawer amps from what was the lme series, like the 4562.  You will lose most of the noise advantages if they have quite high impedances, but there is nothing wrong with the amp itself. Again a bjt one of my faves on a more reasonable budget is the lm6171 which also has a dual, 6172. Incidentally, on the subject of the new 700/1000 boards, couldn't one have a lot more fun than just reproducing them? I'd love to hear a deck with really modern stuff in it. Dedicated power supply, decent amps, proper layout and good quality components.  We may not have. Been able to convince everyone in 1985, but we probably could now. Best Christian On Jun 28, 2011 5:43 PM, "Ron" wrote: > > I have no clue, but always assumed the DE was > tested for noise. I planned to replace this IC > on my CR-7 with an OPA2134, but never got a > round tuit. > > -- Ron > > > > > --- On Mon, 6/27/11, Yuri Regelman wrote: > >> From: Yuri Regelman >> Subject: [naktalk] input stage op amps in Dragon and CR-7 >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> Date: Monday, June 27, 2011, 6:08 PM >> I noticed that Dragon and CR-7 >> service manuals specifically call out >> NJM072DE op amps in the input stages, as opposed to just >> NJM072D that >> are used elsewhere in the circuit.  Does anyone know >> what is the >> difference between DE vs D?  I searched online for a >> while, but could >> not find anything relevant. >> Just curious,  Thanks! >> Yuri >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>           Also check out the wiki! >> http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                 >>         Naktalk at naks.com >> mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From jmrecchia at gmail.com Thu Jun 30 13:17:36 2011 From: jmrecchia at gmail.com (Flavio Belato) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 08:17:36 -0300 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon poor record quality at left channel In-Reply-To: References: <1308870301.22117.YahooMailClassic@web130106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello. I want to thank all for your attention. I am waiting for receiving a new belts kit that I bought in Ebay and when it arrive, I'll exchange the old belts, try to calibrate the display and post the results. Thanks one more time, thanks Willy. Best regards from Brazil. 2011/6/28 Willy Hermann > Yes - that is items 4 and 5 of calibration step 2 in the manual. At that > point you are assuming that the correct levels for the two oscillators have > already been set and you are calibrating the visual to match the electronic. > > Willy > > On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Flavio Belato wrote: > >> Hello Whilly. >> >> If I follow just the steps 4 and 6 I will adjust just the meter about the >> test tone levels? >> The bilt in test tone shouldn't be affected just the meters, I'm right? >> >> >> So many thanks per your attention. >> >> Best regards from Brazil. >> >> >> >> 2011/6/27 Willy Hermann >> >>> The Dragon has internal adjustments for each test tone level as well as >>> the meter level for each. There are also playback meter calibration pots. >>> Make sure you follow the procedure in the manual. Unless you have a >>> playback test tape don't adjust the meter levels since that will throw >>> everything off. Best is to have a good quality external meter and test tape >>> to make sure everything is set correctly. >>> >>> Willy >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 5:23 AM, Flavio Belato wrote: >>> >>>> Hello! >>>> >>>> I found the mistake in the recording quality on the Dragon. >>>> I noticed that the level is shown in the Meter is out of calibration, >>>> because when I select the SW-Tape/Source to source using the bilt in test >>>> tone, the bias level is different from 0, if I calibrate the bias according >>>> to that is shown (non zero level) the quality in left channel is perfect. >>>> So to solve the issue, I have to recalibrate what is shown on the meter >>>> to the 0 point when source is selected. >>>> If I remember, at the past when source was selected the bilt in test >>>> tone was shown at the 0 point in the meter for 400hz and 15khz test. >>>> I have the Dragon Service Manual and I will try to adjust. >>>> >>>> I would like to thank everyone attention. >>>> >>>> >>>> Best regards from Brazil. >>>> >>>> Flavio. >>>> >>>> >>>> 2011/6/23 Ron >>>> >>>>> >>>>> The problem could be either in the record head or in the >>>>> electronics. To locate it, I would swap the connections >>>>> between the channels at the record head. Not too >>>>> difficult if you have the right soldering iron and experience. >>>>> >>>>> After the swap, if the problem stays in the left channel, the >>>>> head -- including alignment -- is fine. If it moves to the right >>>>> channel, suspect the head. >>>>> >>>>> -- Ron >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --- On *Tue, 6/21/11, Flavio Belato * wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: Flavio Belato >>>>> Subject: [naktalk] Dragon poor record quality at left channel >>>>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>> Date: Tuesday, June 21, 2011, 8:53 AM >>>>> >>>>> Hello. >>>>> I was wondering if you could help me with a problem with my Dragon. >>>>> The playback sound is ok using every tapes, NAAC is working fine but >>>>> recording sound quality in left channel is poor, lower and have a little >>>>> loss in the high frequencies. >>>>> I think the record head is misaligned. >>>>> I tried some actions to solve the problem: >>>>> 1 - Clean all record path >>>>> 2 - Demagnetize the heads >>>>> 3 - I turned off the NAAC motor and tryed to aligning the record head >>>>> using tone/bias bilt in calibration looking for the high levels in the >>>>> Dragon display. >>>>> None of this actions worked and the problem is the same. >>>>> Someone have a idea about what can I do to solve this problem? >>>>> Many thanks in advance. >>>>> Best regards from Brazil. >>>>> Flavio. >>>>> >>>>> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Naktalk at naks.commailinglist >>>>> Maintain your account here: >>>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>> Maintain your account here: >>>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: >>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yregelman at gmail.com Thu Jun 30 19:09:23 2011 From: yregelman at gmail.com (Yuri Regelman) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 10:09:23 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] input stage op amps in Dragon and CR-7 In-Reply-To: <1309439570.7116.YahooMailClassic@web130110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <1309439570.7116.YahooMailClassic@web130110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I think I'm in the category that can't tell the straight through wire from TL072 when it comes to sonic signature. However, I'm pretty sure I'd be able to notice the noise level difference. So I'm curious what effect will switching from TL072 to OPA2134 or OPA2604 have on noise levels? Yuri On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 6:12 AM, Ron wrote: > > The TL072 was 'what's available' 30 years ago. Even then, > Nak had to use selected ICs. Today, there are several better > options for an audio op-amp, some of which you mentioned. > I like the OPA2134 and -- based on both listening test and > specs -- prefer it over the OPA2604, even though many > prefer otherwise. I had an occasion to compare the two in > the same circuit (Hagerman phono preamp) which I built > with sockets, for exactly this purpose. The OPA2134 > sounds 'cleaner and leaner', which I like. > > I also compared the OP275, which is not a FET input chip. > Sounded very good, with a full bodied character, but -- to > me -- not quite as satisfying as the OPA2134. > > Be aware that all those op-amps sound good. Differences > are very subtle and fleeting. In one blind A-B listening test > listeners couldn't tell the difference between a TL072 and > a straight piece of wire :-). > > -- Ron > > > > > --- On *Wed, 6/29/11, Christian Thomas *wrote: > > > From: Christian Thomas > Subject: Re: [naktalk] input stage op amps in Dragon and CR-7 > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Wednesday, June 29, 2011, 7:47 PM > > > > Ron, I wouldn't do that if I were you. The humble TLO72, of which I assume > this is a generic copy, actually has quite a lively sound. A bit rough in > places, but it may be quite a significant part of your nak. Personally I > love it, but often I can't get away with its rough and readiness. In the > context of tape with a few deficiencies, it might be just the thing to liven > it up. Alternatively I could put that more politely saying it would be just > the thing because its own problems are unlikely to manifest. > Rather than the 2134 I would try a 2604. But that may be a bit dull for > your taste. A,lot of people swear by it but I think it is as dull as > ditchwater. Depending on how the circuit has been designed - ie is there any > reason they chose a fet amp - then you could go for one of the top drawer > amps from what was the lme series, like the 4562. You will lose most of the > noise advantages if they have quite high impedances, but there is nothing > wrong with the amp itself. Again a bjt one of my faves on a more reasonable > budget is the lm6171 which also has a dual, 6172. > > Incidentally, on the subject of the new 700/1000 boards, couldn't one have > a lot more fun than just reproducing them? I'd love to hear a deck with > really modern stuff in it. Dedicated power supply, decent amps, proper > layout and good quality components. We may not have. Been able to convince > everyone in 1985, but we probably could now. > > Best Christian > On Jun 28, 2011 5:43 PM, "Ron" > > wrote: > > > > I have no clue, but always assumed the DE was > > tested for noise. I planned to replace this IC > > on my CR-7 with an OPA2134, but never got a > > round tuit. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 6/27/11, Yuri Regelman > > wrote: > > > >> From: Yuri Regelman > > > >> Subject: [naktalk] input stage op amps in Dragon and CR-7 > >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > >> Date: Monday, June 27, 2011, 6:08 PM > >> I noticed that Dragon and CR-7 > >> service manuals specifically call out > >> NJM072DE op amps in the input stages, as opposed to just > >> NJM072D that > >> are used elsewhere in the circuit. Does anyone know > >> what is the > >> difference between DE vs D? I searched online for a > >> while, but could > >> not find anything relevant. > >> Just curious, Thanks! > >> Yuri > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Also check out the wiki! > >> http://www.naks.com/wiki > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > >> Naktalk at naks.com > >> mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.commailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2011\2011-March.txt.txt ************************************************************************ From nakdoc77 at gmail.com Tue Mar 1 19:19:38 2011 From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com (Tom Brucker) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 12:19:38 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Majority of Nak gauges In-Reply-To: <2066505531-1298031122-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-484680969-@bda469.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <2066505531-1298031122-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-484680969-@bda469.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: I got the 1000 pinch rollers if anyone needs any. I also bought the clutch kits out of curiousity...like much of the auction, which included generic MCM parts or used stuff, the clutch kit is for HK decks (I am researching which one). I am still puzzled about the bag of capstan shaft washers....why would anyone need 100 of them? On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 6:12 AM, wrote: > I didn't win the majority by any stretch, I only won 3 gauges and a few > parts. Mostly stud repair kits, a few idler assemblies, and some back > tension brakes, and some 680 switches (white tips only). The seller threw > in a few extras, as well as greatly discounted s&h, so it wasn't too bad. > Just looks like I'm one of only 3 people that responded with feedback on the > auction so far. They are not far from me, so I've gotten everything in just > 2 days. I was looking to purchase that last electrical lot as I noticed a > few new CdS301 modules, but it went way high, as did the power adapter for > the 550 and the few Sankyo reel motors. While I despise tearing apart a good > deck for parts, this is an example of where it would be patently cheaper to > do. You can buy Bx100s all day for next to nothing and get a lot of sankyo > parts. Anyone else buy anything that they got too much of and wants to trade > or sell? I only work on the later classics and the Sankyo decks. > Perry > Perry Esposito - From my phone > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Tom Brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Pike Nashville, TN USA 37220 hitech77 at earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nakdoc77 at gmail.com Tue Mar 1 19:29:23 2011 From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com (Tom Brucker) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 12:29:23 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Tom's Track Alginment Tape In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Cheryl is talking about Tom Mageras, not Tom Brucker. This will get confusing! The track alignment tape is one of those tools that you don't know you needed it until you have one. The unfortunate truth is many Nak owners start adjusting when they encounter an issue, so the used decks we buy are bolluxed. Any time I read of someone underwhelmed about the sound of a Nak, I know that alignment issues are at the root of the poor review...that's how common misadjusted decks are. The track alignment tape creates a very sharp NULL, no sound, when the play head height is proper. Cheryl gave a brief description of its use, but let me add that height and azimuth interact, so make at least two iterations of the alignment, and three if you have to adjust either knob 90 degrees or more. Tom Mageras is working on tapes but is a bit slower than hoped. On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 4:47 PM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: > Howdy Everyone, > > > > I bought the track alignment tape and the azimuth tape from Tom. These are > great!!! My old 581 now plays like it did when it was new. It sounds > significantly better than my 582 ebay special. > > > > On the 581 the tracking tape produces a minimal signal that can only be > heard if the volume is all the way up and Dolby is ON. Otherwise the > miniscule signal is lost in the tape hiss if Dolby is OFF and volume is max. > > > > On the 582 the signal is quite audible at medium volume so it needs > adjusting. We’ve had guests and we are still cleaning house – but after that > the 582 gets its turn. > > > > First you adjust the azimuth with the 15K hz tape. You need to make sure > the signal is the same on each channel. Then you play the tracking tape. The > tracking alignment tape is really easy to use – just adjust PH height to > minimal signal. I just used the built in meters and headphones to do it > (still need to install software on the PC for further tweaking). When you > reach minimal signal you will know it because the signal will begin to > increase in volume again if you keep adjusting the head in the same > direction. Piece of cake! The results were great. They’d probably be even > better if I had the right diagnostic tools. Next up is installing the PC > audio stuff and learning to use it. > > > > Tom, I’ll give you a call tomorrow after calibrating the 582. 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URL: From nakdoc77 at gmail.com Tue Mar 1 19:41:05 2011 From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com (Tom Brucker) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 12:41:05 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] For those who are interested in Tom's Tracking Tape In-Reply-To: References: <000001cbd445$344f1120$9ced3360$@math.utah.edu> <733503.6903.qm@web83713.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The level tape is used to set play and meter level calibrations. It is recorded full track, so you will see no change in play level as you adjust the play head height, until the head is off the edge of the tape! The level tape is the foundation all other alignments are built upon. The major reason to own a level tape is that owners of multiple decks can match the Dolby record and play levels between decks. Many Dolby haters merely suffer from a miscalibration in levels. On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 2:05 PM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: > Here’s an email exchange with Tom regarding the results of using his > tape. > > Aloha, > > Cheryl > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Hi Tom, > > > > I wasn’t sure what I was supposed to do with the 400 hz tape since that was > what I used to adjust the head height before I got your tracking tape. I > kind of figured it meant something significant when both the 581 and 582 > showed both channels at 0 DB with the 400 hz tape – but I didn’t know what > the significance was. Way cool! > > > > I installed a trial copy of Audio Tester on my desktop and am still playing > with it. I also installed a simple freeware level meter on my laptop and > played with it and the tracking tape. It had me scratching my head for a bit > as it kept showing the right channel as 2-3 DB higher than the left channel. > Then I disconnected the tape player and found out that it was the inherent > noise level on the cheap, built-in laptop sound card – the right channel > noise was 2-3 DB higher than the left. If I get a chance today I’ll install > the freeware on the desktop since it has a much better sound card. > > > > At any rate, using the computer made it a lot easier to check the output of > the tape deck and it verified that calibrating the playback head height with > your tracking tape got the head height to the highest maximum output for > both channels. The tracking tape is so much easier than trying to calibrate > the playback head height with the 400 hz tape. Even someone with no real > knowledge or understanding could properly set the PH height with just a few > basic instructions. Yikes, that might be me!!! > > > > Both the 581 and 582 are sounding great. Of course, I went back and tweaked > the record head in light of the new calibration on the playback head. And it > looks like the very long back-ordered WIMA caps finally came in and will be > shipped next week. That means I can replace the giant temp trial caps with > the proper ones and fix the saggy idler arms. With lots of help from Perry, > Willy, and you, I went from one broken deck to three great decks. Whoppee! > > > > Talk to you later. Thanks so much for your help! > > Cheryl > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Thomas Mageras [mailto:thomas_mageras at byu.edu] > *Sent:* Friday, February 25, 2011 5:43 AM > *To:* Cheryl Kaupp > *Subject:* RE: 582 and tracking tape > > > > Hi Cheryl, > > > > This is all great news. The level tape is to get your playback level pots > on the main board exact regardless of tape head height. Yours must be right > on since they read the same and both say 0dB. You will find out for sure if > the deck has any slight error when you acquire a T-100 but it will be so > slight it probably won’t matter [the meters could be mismatched ever so > little in the deck that the actual output could change a small amount but > would be less than ½ dB at the most]. This is one of the first adjustments > when aligning a deck and a full track recording makes it simple. If you use > a 2track stereo recording and height is off, you will get some error. I > would like it if you post your response on Nak talk and if anyone inquires > you could give them my email. I may call tonight just to talk to you as I am > excited about what you have gotten done to this point. The tracking tape is > awesome news as you can tell people how easy it is even without a T-100 and > the results you have gotten with very little effort. > > > > Thanks--Tom > > > > *From:* Cheryl Kaupp [mailto:kaupp240 at hotmail.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, February 24, 2011 4:29 PM > *To:* Thomas Mageras > *Subject:* 582 and tracking tape > > > > > > Hi Tom, > > > > I haven’t called because I caught some yucky bug and have been down for the > count… > > > > I did calibrate the 582 with the tracking tape and it made a big > difference. It now sounds as least as good as the 581 if not a teeny bit > better. After calibrating it, the occasional meter spikes completely went > away, so it appears that being out of calibration was causing the spikes. > Just for the heck of it I watched the whole tracking tape play AFTER setting > the head height and it never spiked again. > > > > I do have one question: Since I’m using the tracking tape to set the PH > height, what do I use the 400 hz tape for? I did plop it in after > calibrating with the tracking tape. What I noticed was that both channels > were showing equal signals on the vu-meters and both signals were exactly at > 0 DB. This happened on both the 581 and 582. Is that what is supposed to > happen? > > > > The tracking tape is the cat’s meow!!! Every tech should own one. If a > person is short on tools (no scope, no T100, etc) it is much easier to set > the PH height with the tracking tape than it is to try and set it with the > 400 hz tape using the built-in vu-meters. In fact it is so much easier that > anyone could do it. Feel free to quote me. > > > > Aloha, > > Cheryl > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Tom Brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Pike Nashville, TN USA 37220 hitech77 at earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Tue Mar 1 21:29:10 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 10:29:10 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Tom's Track Alginment Tape In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes, Tom Mageras makes the tapes. And yes again, you must make sure the azimuth is correct first. The azimuth must be correct so that the tracks on the tape are truly parallel to the tracks on the head. If the sound level is not the same on both channels then you need to adjust the azimuth before using the tracking tape. Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 8:29 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tom's Track Alginment Tape Cheryl is talking about Tom Mageras, not Tom Brucker. This will get confusing! The track alignment tape is one of those tools that you don't know you needed it until you have one. The unfortunate truth is many Nak owners start adjusting when they encounter an issue, so the used decks we buy are bolluxed. Any time I read of someone underwhelmed about the sound of a Nak, I know that alignment issues are at the root of the poor review...that's how common misadjusted decks are. The track alignment tape creates a very sharp NULL, no sound, when the play head height is proper. Cheryl gave a brief description of its use, but let me add that height and azimuth interact, so make at least two iterations of the alignment, and three if you have to adjust either knob 90 degrees or more. Tom Mageras is working on tapes but is a bit slower than hoped. On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 4:47 PM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: Howdy Everyone, I bought the track alignment tape and the azimuth tape from Tom. These are great!!! My old 581 now plays like it did when it was new. It sounds significantly better than my 582 ebay special. On the 581 the tracking tape produces a minimal signal that can only be heard if the volume is all the way up and Dolby is ON. Otherwise the miniscule signal is lost in the tape hiss if Dolby is OFF and volume is max. On the 582 the signal is quite audible at medium volume so it needs adjusting. We've had guests and we are still cleaning house - but after that the 582 gets its turn. First you adjust the azimuth with the 15K hz tape. You need to make sure the signal is the same on each channel. Then you play the tracking tape. The tracking alignment tape is really easy to use - just adjust PH height to minimal signal. I just used the built in meters and headphones to do it (still need to install software on the PC for further tweaking). When you reach minimal signal you will know it because the signal will begin to increase in volume again if you keep adjusting the head in the same direction. Piece of cake! The results were great. They'd probably be even better if I had the right diagnostic tools. Next up is installing the PC audio stuff and learning to use it. Tom, I'll give you a call tomorrow after calibrating the 582. This is so much fun. Aloha, Cheryl ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- Tom Brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Pike Nashville, TN USA 37220 hitech77 at earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stekast at yahoo.com Tue Mar 1 20:30:32 2011 From: stekast at yahoo.com (stelios kastanakis) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 11:30:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Dolby c problem Message-ID: <309031.73821.qm@web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello This is my first post to naktalk I have 4 nakamichi cassette decks. I have a problem with one of them. When I record a cassette tape to one of my Nakamichi with dolby c and trying to play it to my zx 9 the sound is dull and lost the high frequencies.It happens only when I play a cassette with dolby c. Tapes recorded without dolby sounds great. The same tape plays great to my other naks. Also tapes recorded with dolby c on zx9 plays great with all decks. Thank you in advance for you help Regards Stelios From luis at peromarta.org Tue Mar 1 22:38:26 2011 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 22:38:26 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Dolby c problem In-Reply-To: <309031.73821.qm@web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <309031.73821.qm@web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <561C2C33-F20A-4B3C-9837-EF0F76C64972@peromarta.org> Alignment mismatch. Probably pb level too. Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos El 01/03/2011, a las 20:30, stelios kastanakis escribió: > Hello > This is my first post to naktalk > I have 4 nakamichi cassette decks. > I have a problem with one of them. > When I record a cassette tape to one of my Nakamichi with dolby c and trying to > play it to my zx 9 the sound is dull and lost the high frequencies.It happens > only when > > I play a cassette with dolby c. Tapes recorded without dolby sounds great. > The same tape plays great to my other naks. > Also tapes recorded with dolby c on zx9 plays great with all decks. > > Thank you in advance for you help > > Regards > > Stelios > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Wed Mar 2 02:41:02 2011 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 17:41:02 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Dolby c problem In-Reply-To: <309031.73821.qm@web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <309031.73821.qm@web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The symptom could be caused by a head alignment difference (e.g. azimuth) between the nominally misbehaving deck and the ZX9. Fred Fred Longworth MBA, CHMM Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F San Diego, CA 92116 (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 Fax: (619) 282-7872 classicaudiorepair at gmail.com stereo1 at cox.net www.repairaudio.com On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 11:30 AM, stelios kastanakis wrote: > Hello > This is my first post to naktalk > I have 4 nakamichi cassette decks. > I have a problem with one of them. > When I record a cassette tape to one of my Nakamichi with dolby c and > trying to > play it to my zx 9 the sound is dull and lost the high frequencies.It > happens > only when > > I play a cassette with dolby c. Tapes recorded without dolby sounds great. > The same tape plays great to my other naks. > Also tapes recorded with dolby c on zx9 plays great with all decks. > > Thank you in advance for you help > > Regards > > Stelios > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From stekast at yahoo.com Wed Mar 2 14:27:59 2011 From: stekast at yahoo.com (stelios kastanakis) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 05:27:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Dolby c problem In-Reply-To: <201103021117.p22B8TZ4003862@zxe.naks.com> References: <201103021117.p22B8TZ4003862@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <772342.24091.qm@web31606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thank you all for your replies I will proceed to head alignment and playback level calibration. Regards Stelios ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 22:38:26 +0100 From: Luis Peromarta Regert Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dolby c problem To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Cc: "naktalk at naks.com" Message-ID: <561C2C33-F20A-4B3C-9837-EF0F76C64972 at peromarta.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Alignment mismatch. Probably pb level too. Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos El 01/03/2011, a las 20:30, stelios kastanakis escribió: > Hello > This is my first post to naktalk > I have 4 nakamichi cassette decks. > I have a problem with one of them. > When I record a cassette tape to one of my Nakamichi with dolby c and trying >to > play it to my zx 9 the sound is dull and lost the high frequencies.It happens > only when > > I play a cassette with dolby c. Tapes recorded without dolby sounds great. > The same tape plays great to my other naks. > Also tapes recorded with dolby c on zx9 plays great with all decks. > > Thank you in advance for you help > > Regards > > Stelios > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Sun Mar 6 15:36:29 2011 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2011 08:36:29 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 3-5-11 FINALLY ! 80334-D3 and 80634-D4 Scheduled to Arrive 3-12-11 Message-ID: <4D739BED.6070305@marrscommunications.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Dennis On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 9:36 AM, Marrs Communications < marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com> wrote: > 3-5-11 Finally ! > > 80634 -D4 BELT KITS ARE SCHEDULED TO ARRIVE 3-12-11 > > Nakamichi BX-300, and MR-1,Complete FACTORY Belt KIT > > Nakamichi CR-4, CR-5, CR-7A, Complete FACTORY Belt KIT > > > > 80334-D3 BELT KITS ARE SCHEDULED TO ARRIVE 3-12-11 > > Nakamichi ZX-9 , FACTORY "Special" Complete Belt KIT > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards Nigel -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Wednesday, 2 March 2011 2:20 AM To: perry.nak at comcast.net; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Majority of Nak gauges I got the 1000 pinch rollers if anyone needs any. I also bought the clutch kits out of curiousity...like much of the auction, which included generic MCM parts or used stuff, the clutch kit is for HK decks (I am researching which one). I am still puzzled about the bag of capstan shaft washers....why would anyone need 100 of them? On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 6:12 AM, wrote: I didn't win the majority by any stretch, I only won 3 gauges and a few parts. Mostly stud repair kits, a few idler assemblies, and some back tension brakes, and some 680 switches (white tips only). The seller threw in a few extras, as well as greatly discounted s&h, so it wasn't too bad. Just looks like I'm one of only 3 people that responded with feedback on the auction so far. They are not far from me, so I've gotten everything in just 2 days. I was looking to purchase that last electrical lot as I noticed a few new CdS301 modules, but it went way high, as did the power adapter for the 550 and the few Sankyo reel motors. While I despise tearing apart a good deck for parts, this is an example of where it would be patently cheaper to do. You can buy Bx100s all day for next to nothing and get a lot of sankyo parts. Anyone else buy anything that they got too much of and wants to trade or sell? I only work on the later classics and the Sankyo decks. Perry Perry Esposito - From my phone ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- Tom Brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Pike Nashville, TN USA 37220 hitech77 at earthlink.net From shoeihell at yahoo.com Tue Mar 8 15:56:03 2011 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 06:56:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RE:Majority of Nak gauges In-Reply-To: <201103081118.p28B9HCl021964@zxe.naks.com> References: <201103081118.p28B9HCl021964@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <44773.42421.qm@web120716.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Terry Witt can make you pinch roller exactly to factory spec. His charges are reasonable, especially since you have been looking "forever".http://www.terrysrubberrollers.com/ Kevin ________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 16:44:52 +0800 From: "Nigel Day" Subject: RE: [naktalk] Majority of Nak gauges To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Tom I've been looking for pinch rollers for my 1000's for ages. Any chance of getting 4? Fingers crossed! Regards Nigel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjkent at comcast.net Thu Mar 10 07:24:16 2011 From: rjkent at comcast.net (R Kent) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 22:24:16 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Flexible Switch Extenders Message-ID: <000601cbdeeb$c8bef630$5a3ce290$@net> About 1 or 2 years ago there was a brief discussion here about the flat flexible switch extenders often used in audio equipment to mount the electronics of the switch remotely from the controls on the front panel and transfer the operational movement to the remote . They are also used by Nakamichi in the 670 and 680 ZX as what they call Azimuth Adjustment Wires. Basically they are flat metal bands that slide inside an outer sheathing and look somewhat like ladders or ribbon cables. The principle is the same as bicycle brake cables with an inner wire and an outer sheath that counteracts the force of the inner cable as it moves. Someone posted the name of the generic name for this type of cable at the time and I think it was the name of the inventor....but I'm not sure now. Does anyone remember what the name was, and does anyone know a source for these types of mechanical cables? Robert Kent -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronin.elm at gmail.com Wed Mar 9 07:47:44 2011 From: ronin.elm at gmail.com (jim donato) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 01:47:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE:Majority of Nak gauges In-Reply-To: <44773.42421.qm@web120716.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <201103081118.p28B9HCl021964@zxe.naks.com> <44773.42421.qm@web120716.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: That's a kool site Terry has. On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 9:56 AM, Kevin Fetner wrote: > Terry Witt can make you pinch roller exactly to factory spec. His charges > are reasonable, especially since you have been looking "forever". > http://www.terrysrubberrollers.com/ > > Kevin > > ------------------------------ > **Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 16:44:52 +0800 > From: "Nigel Day" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Majority of Nak gauges > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Message-ID: > > iinet.net.au> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > Hi Tom > I've been looking for pinch rollers for my 1000's for ages. Any chance of > getting 4? > > Fingers crossed! > > Regards > > Nigel > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fred at marrscom.com Thu Mar 10 10:55:09 2011 From: fred at marrscom.com (Fred Marrs) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 03:55:09 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI & MARRS COMMUNICATIONS Message-ID: <4D789FFD.90803@marrscom.com> *NAKAMICHI & MARRS COMMUNICATIONS* ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 3-10-2011 I NOW HAVE A DEDICATED NAKAMICHI EMAIL ADDRESS. This address is to be used for Nakamichi related questions and Orders _ ONLY ! nakamichi at marrscom.com Nakamichi Orders are GUARANTEED to ship within 10 Business Days, or Sooner. Just email your Nakamichi Model number for Price and Availability. Payment by: USPS ( Only ) Money Orders, or PayPal. Fred M. From perry.nak at comcast.net Thu Mar 10 12:47:07 2011 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 11:47:07 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Flexible Switch extenders Message-ID: <235950115-1299757631-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-978512823-@bda469.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Are generically called Bowden cables. Perry Esposito - From my phone From willy at willyhermannservices.com Thu Mar 10 13:01:00 2011 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 07:01:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Flexible Switch Extenders In-Reply-To: <000601cbdeeb$c8bef630$5a3ce290$@net> References: <000601cbdeeb$c8bef630$5a3ce290$@net> Message-ID: The name is Bowden cable. If you find a source please share it. Willy On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 1:24 AM, R Kent wrote: > About 1 or 2 years ago there was a brief discussion here about the flat > flexible switch extenders often used in audio equipment to mount the > electronics of the switch remotely from the controls on the front panel and > transfer the operational movement to the remote . They are also used by > Nakamichi in the 670 and 680 ZX as what they call Azimuth Adjustment Wires. > Basically they are flat metal bands that slide inside an outer sheathing and > look somewhat like ladders or ribbon cables. The principle is the same as > bicycle brake cables with an inner wire and an outer sheath that counteracts > the force of the inner cable as it moves. Someone posted the name of the > generic name for this type of cable at the time and I think it was the name > of the inventor....but I'm not sure now. Does anyone remember what the name > was, and does anyone know a source for these types of mechanical cables? > > Robert Kent > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fred at marrscom.com Thu Mar 10 14:52:26 2011 From: fred at marrscom.com (Fred Marrs) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 07:52:26 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 3-10-11 Nakamichi CDP-2A / CD Player 2 Message-ID: <4D78D79A.9090705@marrscom.com> Hey Guys, I need someone to educate me on some CD player Models. What is the Difference between the CDP-2A AND the CD PLAYER 2 ? Nothing ? Thanks F.M. From dgb100 at psu.edu Thu Mar 10 16:52:06 2011 From: dgb100 at psu.edu (Beckner, Derrick) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 10:52:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 3-10-11 Nakamichi CDP-2A / CD Player 2 In-Reply-To: <4D78D79A.9090705@marrscom.com> References: <4D78D79A.9090705@marrscom.com> Message-ID: The CDP-2A came out earlier and was designed to work with the SA/TA- series of receivers and the CR line of cassette decks. I bought one new in.... damn... 1990? It was like $500 or so and was a terrific player in its day, tremendous amount of punch, solidly built, really excellent dynamic range. Replaced some Pioneer thing that me and my roommates lovingly nicknamed Skippy. Utter POS, but hey, it was CD player. Of course now it is dinosaur. Didn't play CD-Rs at all (which didn't even exist at its inception), no digital output, problems reading 80 minute CDs. I think it had 16x oversampling which was pretty impressive in the day. Not sure about the CD Player 2, but that was released with the Cassette Deck x series which, personally, I think is when Nak started to head downhill trying to break into the mass-market. The post-TA series of receivers were pretty pedestrian. Nak really hit the sweet spot in the 80s with their entire line, the SR/TA 1-4 + PA/CA 5,7, CR1-CR7 and CDP1-5 and them OMS5, 7 CD players. I had a full "2" series in 1990 as a newly minted college grad... TA-2, CDP-2, CR-2, with Klipsch KG4s, and it was really a spectacular system to start with. So much so my current lineup is... Nak TA-4A Nak CR-5A Klipsch Forte Of course many turntables, CD players, Uni-players have come and gone, but the Nak - Klipsch marriage is really fantastic. Downside is crummy sources sound really crummy as the cleanliness of the amp and the high sensitivity of the speakers takes no prisoners. As much as I've tried no amp under $1K, and certainly no AV receiver can match the excellent amplifier in this thing. Have used other preamps from time, and really need to get one more video friendly, but the TA-4 will likely be in my system as an amp until the day it goes to Naka heaven. Anyway, there's the long answer. :) -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred Marrs Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 8:52 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 3-10-11 Nakamichi CDP-2A / CD Player 2 Hey Guys, I need someone to educate me on some CD player Models. What is the Difference between the CDP-2A AND the CD PLAYER 2 ? Nothing ? Thanks F.M. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From dgb100 at psu.edu Thu Mar 10 17:10:09 2011 From: dgb100 at psu.edu (Beckner, Derrick) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 11:10:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 3-10-11 Nakamichi CDP-2A / CD Player 2 In-Reply-To: <4D78D79A.9090705@marrscom.com> References: <4D78D79A.9090705@marrscom.com> Message-ID: Now I'm feeling all nostalgic for the Hi-Fi heydays. When I bought that system I went to at least 10 hi-fi stores in PA and MD auditioning individual components. State College itself had five fully loaded hi-fi stores! The TA-2A I got a Hi-Fi house in State College. It had about 10 pairs of speakers in the "mid-fi" room and lord knows how many amps/receivers from Nak, Luxman, Onkyo, Sansui, Adcom, all the players. The guy refused to carry Sony. >:) Anyhow, the owner basically could switch anything to anything else and was driving these massive 300watt A/D/S towers. He said these things are bitch to drive, so if it sounds good on this, it'll likely sound good on anything. The little 40 w/c Nak kicked the crap out of anything under $1,000 on my little blind test drive (which was my drop dead upper limit, didn't even need to get close!). I think the TA-4 was $1100 or $1200 when new. From shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz Fri Mar 11 21:09:48 2011 From: shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz (Martin Short) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 09:09:48 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] Flexible Switch Extenders References: <000601cbdeeb$c8bef630$5a3ce290$@net> Message-ID: <7EC82377892A4614BE6E3935C35AB463@desktop> There are many manufacturers for Bowden cables, and many Auto workshops should be able to custom make one too.. any one who dabbles with old British cars will know "Quinton Hazel" :o). In fact your local bicycle shop should be able to custom make too...as mine did when I used to cycle, and are probably a better source as the wire tends to be finer section than auto appications. Some may sell you the components.. you just need the sheath and liner bought by the metre, wire the same, a couple of sheath ends usually brass, and a couple of ferrules, and some solder. The ferrules are usually soldered on using a small torch rather than an iron IME, unless you can find some crimp ferrules.. FWIW I repaired the suspension on a Thorens TD520 (leaf spring and bowden cable) using an old accelarator cable from a Honda Civic and a ferrule scrounged from the local bike shop.. The ladder/metal band 'cable' used in Nak's for azimuth/many Japanese amps for source switching is an altogether different proposition though... and while the theory is the same, finding some way to adapt a Bowden to the azimuth actuator could be interesting. ----- Original Message ----- From: Willy Hermann To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 1:01 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Flexible Switch Extenders The name is Bowden cable. If you find a source please share it. Willy On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 1:24 AM, R Kent wrote: About 1 or 2 years ago there was a brief discussion here about the flat flexible switch extenders often used in audio equipment to mount the electronics of the switch remotely from the controls on the front panel and transfer the operational movement to the remote . They are also used by Nakamichi in the 670 and 680 ZX as what they call Azimuth Adjustment Wires. Basically they are flat metal bands that slide inside an outer sheathing and look somewhat like ladders or ribbon cables. The principle is the same as bicycle brake cables with an inner wire and an outer sheath that counteracts the force of the inner cable as it moves. Someone posted the name of the generic name for this type of cable at the time and I think it was the name of the inventor....but I'm not sure now. Does anyone remember what the name was, and does anyone know a source for these types of mechanical cables? Robert Kent ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From calman46 at verizon.net Sat Mar 12 01:58:53 2011 From: calman46 at verizon.net (calman46) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 19:58:53 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] noise on play LX5 References: <201103111110.p2BB8cJJ032260@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <8BF496D3E2F14BD1888A970BBDE16DB0@james> I'm getting a noise from the deck only in the play mode on my LX5,any ideas what it could be ? thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 6:10 AM Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 97, Issue 7 > Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to > naktalk at naks.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > naktalk-request at naks.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > naktalk-owner at naks.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." > > > Naktalk digest mailing list > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Flexible Switch extenders (perry.nak at comcast.net) > 2. Re: Flexible Switch Extenders (Willy Hermann) > 3. 3-10-11 Nakamichi CDP-2A / CD Player 2 (Fred Marrs) > 4. RE: 3-10-11 Nakamichi CDP-2A / CD Player 2 (Beckner, Derrick) > 5. RE: 3-10-11 Nakamichi CDP-2A / CD Player 2 (Beckner, Derrick) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 11:47:07 +0000 > From: perry.nak at comcast.net > Subject: [naktalk] Flexible Switch extenders > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > <235950115-1299757631-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-978512823- at bda469.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> > > Content-Type: text/plain > > Are generically called Bowden cables. > Perry Esposito - From my phone > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 07:01:00 -0500 > From: Willy Hermann > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Flexible Switch Extenders > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > The name is Bowden cable. If you find a source please share it. > > Willy > > On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 1:24 AM, R Kent wrote: > >> About 1 or 2 years ago there was a brief discussion here about the flat >> flexible switch extenders often used in audio equipment to mount the >> electronics of the switch remotely from the controls on the front panel >> and >> transfer the operational movement to the remote . They are also used by >> Nakamichi in the 670 and 680 ZX as what they call Azimuth Adjustment >> Wires. >> Basically they are flat metal bands that slide inside an outer sheathing >> and >> look somewhat like ladders or ribbon cables. The principle is the same >> as >> bicycle brake cables with an inner wire and an outer sheath that >> counteracts >> the force of the inner cable as it moves. Someone posted the name of >> the >> generic name for this type of cable at the time and I think it was the >> name >> of the inventor....but I'm not sure now. Does anyone remember what the >> name >> was, and does anyone know a source for these types of mechanical cables? >> >> Robert Kent >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20110310/77f9854f/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 07:52:26 -0600 > From: Fred Marrs > Subject: [naktalk] 3-10-11 Nakamichi CDP-2A / CD Player 2 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <4D78D79A.9090705 at marrscom.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hey Guys, > > I need someone to educate me on some CD player Models. > > What is the Difference between the CDP-2A AND > > the CD PLAYER 2 ? Nothing ? Thanks F.M. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 10:52:06 -0500 > From: "Beckner, Derrick" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 3-10-11 Nakamichi CDP-2A / CD Player 2 > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > The CDP-2A came out earlier and was designed to work with the SA/TA- > series of receivers and the CR line of cassette decks. I bought one new > in.... damn... 1990? It was like $500 or so and was a terrific player in > its day, tremendous amount of punch, solidly built, really excellent > dynamic range. Replaced some Pioneer thing that me and my roommates > lovingly nicknamed Skippy. Utter POS, but hey, it was CD player. > > Of course now it is dinosaur. Didn't play CD-Rs at all (which didn't even > exist at its inception), no digital output, problems reading 80 minute > CDs. I think it had 16x oversampling which was pretty impressive in the > day. > > Not sure about the CD Player 2, but that was released with the Cassette > Deck x series which, personally, I think is when Nak started to head > downhill trying to break into the mass-market. The post-TA series of > receivers were pretty pedestrian. > > Nak really hit the sweet spot in the 80s with their entire line, the SR/TA > 1-4 + PA/CA 5,7, CR1-CR7 and CDP1-5 and them OMS5, 7 CD players. > > I had a full "2" series in 1990 as a newly minted college grad... TA-2, > CDP-2, CR-2, with Klipsch KG4s, and it was really a spectacular system to > start with. So much so my current lineup is... > > Nak TA-4A > Nak CR-5A > Klipsch Forte > > Of course many turntables, CD players, Uni-players have come and gone, but > the Nak - Klipsch marriage is really fantastic. Downside is crummy > sources sound really crummy as the cleanliness of the amp and the high > sensitivity of the speakers takes no prisoners. > > As much as I've tried no amp under $1K, and certainly no AV receiver can > match the excellent amplifier in this thing. Have used other preamps from > time, and really need to get one more video friendly, but the TA-4 will > likely be in my system as an amp until the day it goes to Naka heaven. > > Anyway, there's the long answer. :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Fred Marrs > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 8:52 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] 3-10-11 Nakamichi CDP-2A / CD Player 2 > > Hey Guys, > > I need someone to educate me on some CD player Models. > > What is the Difference between the CDP-2A AND > > the CD PLAYER 2 ? Nothing ? Thanks F.M. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 11:10:09 -0500 > From: "Beckner, Derrick" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 3-10-11 Nakamichi CDP-2A / CD Player 2 > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Now I'm feeling all nostalgic for the Hi-Fi heydays. > > When I bought that system I went to at least 10 hi-fi stores in PA and MD > auditioning individual components. State College itself had five fully > loaded hi-fi stores! The TA-2A I got a Hi-Fi house in State College. It > had about 10 pairs of speakers in the "mid-fi" room and lord knows how > many amps/receivers from Nak, Luxman, Onkyo, Sansui, Adcom, all the > players. The guy refused to carry Sony. >:) > > Anyhow, the owner basically could switch anything to anything else and was > driving these massive 300watt A/D/S towers. He said these things are > bitch to drive, so if it sounds good on this, it'll likely sound good on > anything. The little 40 w/c Nak kicked the crap out of anything under > $1,000 on my little blind test drive (which was my drop dead upper limit, > didn't even need to get close!). I think the TA-4 was $1100 or $1200 when > new. > > > > ------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 97, Issue 7 > ************************************** From bagua_dao at yahoo.com Sat Mar 12 14:09:00 2011 From: bagua_dao at yahoo.com (ying yang) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 05:09:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] NAK DR2 comparable with other NAK models in performance? Message-ID: <630271.45772.qm@web110315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>   How is the Nak DR 2 performance by itself and comparing with other similar NAK models such as BX300 if it can be compared or anywhere near it.   Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Sun Mar 13 04:33:15 2011 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 22:33:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 700ZXL oscillation Message-ID: I remember that someone posted a question about high frequency oscillation in playback in a 700ZXL. Was there ever an answer or solution? Willy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From perry.nak at comcast.net Sun Mar 13 13:13:47 2011 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 12:13:47 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak DR-2 Comparable Message-ID: <1004063943-1300018428-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2046284423-@bda469.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> The DR-2 is identical to the Cassette Deck 1,5 except is looks a thousand times better and has a more traditional aluminum faceplate. It has excellent performance. Perry Esposito - From my phone From paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se Sun Mar 13 18:55:20 2011 From: paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?P=E4r_Ericsson?=) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 18:55:20 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] T-100 References: <2066505531-1298031122-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-484680969-@bda469.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: I have bought a T-100 in mint condition! Sadly it has an issue. The oscillator start and stops all the time. So far i have cleaned the connector for the oscillator board without success. Before i continue i thought i should listen if anyone has troubleshooting tips for this problem. The unit has been unused for the last 10 years or so. Regards Pelle. From shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz Sun Mar 13 20:41:47 2011 From: shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz (shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 08:41:47 +1300 (NZDT) Subject: [naktalk] NAK DR2 comparable with other NAK models in performance? In-Reply-To: <201103131106.p2DB03In001845@zxe.naks.com> References: <201103131106.p2DB03In001845@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: >   > How is the Nak DR 2 performance by itself and comparing with other similar > NAK models such as BX300 if it can be compared or anywhere near it. >   > Thanks. > > > The DR2 is very similar to the Cassette deck 1.5, at the death knell was resurrected as the DR-10, and from memory basically similar the CR3 as well. IME, performance in isolation is still excellent, but doesn't quite have the 'air' of the earlier models, and I would rate the CR-3 as slightly 'better' (at least that is how I rank mine), and a BX-300 as higher in performance still. Still a deck worth having though... From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 13 21:26:33 2011 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (Ram) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 16:26:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] NAK DR2 comparable with other NAK models in performance? In-Reply-To: References: <201103131106.p2DB03In001845@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: I had the pleasure(displeasure) of owning a DR2 brand new in box. It's a decent performer but not in the league of the CR7, Dragon, Zxl or Zx series decks by a long shot. The sound is very tinny relatively and does not sound like a 3 head Nak. The BX series(even the 2head) will slaughter the Dr 2. IMHO, even the 600 series decks would outperform it. Recordings on the Dr 2 were not as accurate as the BX series, let alone the super decks . Moreover, these decks(many of them) were made in Malaysia and not Japan....so the build quality was sub par. Ram. On Mar 13, 2011, at 3:41 PM, shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz wrote: >> >> How is the Nak DR 2 performance by itself and comparing with other similar >> NAK models such as BX300 if it can be compared or anywhere near it. >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> > The DR2 is very similar to the Cassette deck 1.5, at the death knell was > resurrected as the DR-10, and from memory basically similar the CR3 as > well. > IME, performance in isolation is still excellent, but doesn't quite have > the 'air' of the earlier models, and I would rate the CR-3 as slightly > 'better' (at least that is how I rank mine), and a BX-300 as higher in > performance still. > Still a deck worth having though... > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Mon Mar 14 19:47:09 2011 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 12:47:09 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] A Facebook page? Message-ID: <000601cbe278$399378b0$acba6a10$@math.utah.edu> Has anyone thought about putting up a Facebook page for naktalk? Just wanted to know what your thoughts are about it. Vic Victor M. Gabrenas������������� ����Voice:��������������� 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah��������������� ��� FAX:������������������ 1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics�� ��� Email:�� ������ �gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233������������ Office:������ ��� ����LCB105 Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090������ From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 14 23:40:12 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 15:40:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] NAK DR2 comparable with other NAK models in performance? In-Reply-To: References: <201103131106.p2DB03In001845@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <429258.80970.qm@web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I bought a new DR-10 back in 2002. I agree with your comparisons Martin. The DR-10 has a good sound until you compare it with earlier models. Even seemingly 'mid-range' Naks seem to trump in terms of imaging, extended treble and a smooth bass. One thing I like is that the deck had a good built quality with it's playback amp circuit located just behind the transport. With a good layout, and the fact that it was built in Malaysia then the Far-East seems to give it a slight edge over other decks of the day. Regards, Bala ________________________________ From: "shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz" To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Mon, March 14, 2011 3:41:47 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK DR2 comparable with other NAK models in performance? > > How is the Nak DR 2 performance by itself and comparing with other similar > NAK models such as BX300 if it can be compared or anywhere near it. > > Thanks. > > > The DR2 is very similar to the Cassette deck 1.5, at the death knell was resurrected as the DR-10, and from memory basically similar the CR3 as well. IME, performance in isolation is still excellent, but doesn't quite have the 'air' of the earlier models, and I would rate the CR-3 as slightly 'better' (at least that is how I rank mine), and a BX-300 as higher in performance still. Still a deck worth having though... ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark8559 at hotmail.com Tue Mar 15 06:47:03 2011 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 23:47:03 -0600 Subject: FW: [naktalk] A Facebook page? In-Reply-To: <000601cbe278$399378b0$acba6a10$@math.utah.edu> References: <000601cbe278$399378b0$acba6a10$@math.utah.edu> Message-ID: That sounds like a good idea. I think it would make Naktalk more interesting, perhaps to another level. I joined Facebook some two+ years ago. Folks post cats and dogs, talk about cats and dogs, and you get these astrology messages and birthday notices. Therefore I go on it VERY seldom. The biggest benefit was reuniting with old 1970's high school buddies and babes. Meow Bow Wow Are you a Leo? Folks need to get a life! The life owning a Nakamichi cassette deck! > From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 12:47:09 -0600 > Subject: [naktalk] A Facebook page? > > Has anyone thought about putting up a Facebook page for naktalk? > > Just wanted to know what your thoughts are about it. > > Vic > > Victor M. Gabrenas -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From laurenh at gmail.com Tue Mar 15 07:46:57 2011 From: laurenh at gmail.com (Lauren Horn) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 22:46:57 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] A Facebook page? In-Reply-To: References: <000601cbe278$399378b0$acba6a10$@math.utah.edu> Message-ID: <6605121593265044954@unknownmsgid> I am not opposed to it per se, but I fear it might drive off some irreplaceable community members - and you are *all* irreplaceable, to my mind! --Lauren On Mar 14, 2011, at 10:20 PM, Mark Exstedt wrote: > That sounds like a good idea. > I think it would make Naktalk more interesting, perhaps to another level. > I joined Facebook some two+ years ago. Folks post cats and dogs, talk about cats and dogs, and you get these astrology messages and birthday notices. Therefore I go on it VERY seldom. The biggest benefit was reuniting with old 1970's high school buddies and babes. > Meow > Bow Wow > Are you a Leo? > Folks need to get a life! > The life owning a Nakamichi cassette deck! > > > > From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 12:47:09 -0600 > > Subject: [naktalk] A Facebook page? > > > > Has anyone thought about putting up a Facebook page for naktalk? > > > > Just wanted to know what your thoughts are about it. > > > > Vic > > > > Victor M. Gabrenas > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From mark8559 at hotmail.com Tue Mar 15 16:43:49 2011 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 09:43:49 -0600 Subject: FW: [naktalk] A Facebook page? In-Reply-To: <6605121593265044954@unknownmsgid> References: <000601cbe278$399378b0$acba6a10$@math.utah.edu>, , <6605121593265044954@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Very interesting point Lauren and I agree with your comments. Many of my friends refuse to have a Facebook page or go on it. Others who have one post the absolute minimum information about them. Don't 65% of employers check Facebook to gather information and interest on a person before hiring them? My final post on this subject. If folks want a Naktalk Facebook page, fine. If not, fine. > From: laurenh at gmail.com > Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 22:46:57 -0800 > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Facebook page? > To: naktalk at naks.com > > I am not opposed to it per se, but I fear it might drive off some > irreplaceable community members - and you are *all* irreplaceable, to > my mind! > > --Lauren > > On Mar 14, 2011, at 10:20 PM, Mark Exstedt wrote: > > > That sounds like a good idea. > > I think it would make Naktalk more interesting, perhaps to another level. > > I joined Facebook some two+ years ago. Folks post cats and dogs, talk about cats and dogs, and you get these astrology messages and birthday notices. Therefore I go on it VERY seldom. The biggest benefit was reuniting with old 1970's high school buddies and babes. > > Meow > > Bow Wow > > Are you a Leo? > > Folks need to get a life! > > The life owning a Nakamichi cassette deck! > > > > > > > From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 12:47:09 -0600 > > > Subject: [naktalk] A Facebook page? > > > > > > Has anyone thought about putting up a Facebook page for naktalk? > > > > > > Just wanted to know what your thoughts are about it. > > > > > > Vic > > > > > > Victor M. Gabrenas > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Tue Mar 15 18:12:42 2011 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 10:12:42 -0700 Subject: FW: [naktalk] A Facebook page? In-Reply-To: References: <000601cbe278$399378b0$acba6a10$@math.utah.edu> <6605121593265044954@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Although I don't participate much, to me Facebook is for chatting and elbow-rubbing. Naktalk is for sharing technical information about Nakamichi cassette products, especially their superb cassette decks. Also, Facebook is a bit of an open society, and the minute the discussion is opened up to everyone, you begin to get participants who operate at very low levels of knowledge. This includes the people who think *any* belt will work properly on a Nakamichi cassette, and those who believe any malfunction can be cured by "adjusting the heads." So . . . no. Fred Fred Longworth MBA, CHMM Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F San Diego, CA 92116 (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 Fax: (619) 282-7872 classicaudiorepair at gmail.com stereo1 at cox.net www.repairaudio.com On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 8:43 AM, Mark Exstedt wrote: > Very interesting point Lauren and I agree with your comments. > Many of my friends refuse to have a Facebook page or go on it. > Others who have one post the absolute minimum information about them. > Don't 65% of employers check Facebook to gather *information* and * > interest* on a person before hiring them? > My final post on this subject. If folks want a Naktalk Facebook page, fine. > If not, fine. > > > From: laurenh at gmail.com > > Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 22:46:57 -0800 > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Facebook page? > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > I am not opposed to it per se, but I fear it might drive off some > > irreplaceable community members - and you are *all* irreplaceable, to > > my mind! > > > > --Lauren > > > > On Mar 14, 2011, at 10:20 PM, Mark Exstedt wrote: > > > > > That sounds like a good idea. > > > I think it would make Naktalk more interesting, perhaps to another > level. > > > I joined Facebook some two+ years ago. Folks post cats and dogs, talk > about cats and dogs, and you get these astrology messages and birthday > notices. Therefore I go on it VERY seldom. The biggest benefit was reuniting > with old 1970's high school buddies and babes. > > > Meow > > > Bow Wow > > > Are you a Leo? > > > Folks need to get a life! > > > The life owning a Nakamichi cassette deck! > > > > > > > > > > From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 12:47:09 -0600 > > > > Subject: [naktalk] A Facebook page? > > > > > > > > Has anyone thought about putting up a Facebook page for naktalk? > > > > > > > > Just wanted to know what your thoughts are about it. > > > > > > > > Vic > > > > > > > > Victor M. 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URL: From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Tue Mar 15 18:22:29 2011 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 11:22:29 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] A Facebook page? In-Reply-To: References: <000601cbe278$399378b0$acba6a10$@math.utah.edu>, , <6605121593265044954@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <003001cbe335$900b42a0$b021c7e0$@math.utah.edu> I was thinking more a social aspect. Such as getting to know other members, share photos.etc. I personally keep my account tight. Vic From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Mark Exstedt Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 9:44 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: FW: [naktalk] A Facebook page? Very interesting point Lauren and I agree with your comments. Many of my friends refuse to have a Facebook page or go on it. Others who have one post the absolute minimum information about them. Don't 65% of employers check Facebook to gather information and interest on a person before hiring them? My final post on this subject. If folks want a Naktalk Facebook page, fine. If not, fine. > From: laurenh at gmail.com > Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 22:46:57 -0800 > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Facebook page? > To: naktalk at naks.com > > I am not opposed to it per se, but I fear it might drive off some > irreplaceable community members - and you are *all* irreplaceable, to > my mind! > > --Lauren > > On Mar 14, 2011, at 10:20 PM, Mark Exstedt wrote: > > > That sounds like a good idea. > > I think it would make Naktalk more interesting, perhaps to another level. > > I joined Facebook some two+ years ago. Folks post cats and dogs, talk about cats and dogs, and you get these astrology messages and birthday notices. Therefore I go on it VERY seldom. The biggest benefit was reuniting with old 1970's high school buddies and babes. > > Meow > > Bow Wow > > Are you a Leo? > > Folks need to get a life! > > The life owning a Nakamichi cassette deck! > > > > > > > From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 12:47:09 -0600 > > > Subject: [naktalk] A Facebook page? > > > > > > Has anyone thought about putting up a Facebook page for naktalk? > > > > > > Just wanted to know what your thoughts are about it. > > > > > > Vic > > > > > > Victor M. 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URL: From laurenh at gmail.com Tue Mar 15 18:25:25 2011 From: laurenh at gmail.com (Lauren Horn) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 09:25:25 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] A Facebook page? In-Reply-To: References: <000601cbe278$399378b0$acba6a10$@math.utah.edu> <6605121593265044954@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <-1118440197244009073@unknownmsgid> @Mark, you raise a good point of which I didn't think. I have an active Facebook page because I'm not worried about potential employers (though I might someday regret that); Anchorage, and in particular the local IT community, is so small that I've little expectation that they don't know or can't find out almost anything they want. But that's me. Facebook has a different "vibe" than does mailing list, as well as a different etiquette. It very likely would feel less focused on the subject at hand. Speaking of which, I should mention that I am *still* waiting on my LX-3 to come out of the shop after three months. The tech did a wonderful job on my monster Marantz 2385, and I know he has a long Nak history, having been one of two Nak techs in town. This will be my first Nak after an otherwise misspent youth longing for one, and I can't wait. But now I wonder whether I should already be looking for an LX-5 or other 3-head Nak to make the recordings I hope to make, and to hear the 3-head sound about which I keep hearing. Has anyone hear an opinion about which 3-head decks tend to offer the best bang for the buck on the used market? Is there a particular model that tends to be under-appreciated and underpriced despite being sonically excellent? A tall order, I know, but one can hope. : ) --Lauren On Mar 15, 2011, at 8:16 AM, Mark Exstedt wrote: > Very interesting point Lauren and I agree with your comments. > Many of my friends refuse to have a Facebook page or go on it. > Others who have one post the absolute minimum information about them. > Don't 65% of employers check Facebook to gather information and interest on a person before hiring them? > My final post on this subject. If folks want a Naktalk Facebook page, fine. If not, fine. > > > From: laurenh at gmail.com > > Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 22:46:57 -0800 > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Facebook page? > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > I am not opposed to it per se, but I fear it might drive off some > > irreplaceable community members - and you are *all* irreplaceable, to > > my mind! > > > > --Lauren > > > > On Mar 14, 2011, at 10:20 PM, Mark Exstedt wrote: > > > > > That sounds like a good idea. > > > I think it would make Naktalk more interesting, perhaps to another level. > > > I joined Facebook some two+ years ago. Folks post cats and dogs, talk about cats and dogs, and you get these astrology messages and birthday notices. Therefore I go on it VERY seldom. The biggest benefit was reuniting with old 1970's high school buddies and babes. > > > Meow > > > Bow Wow > > > Are you a Leo? > > > Folks need to get a life! > > > The life owning a Nakamichi cassette deck! > > > > > > > > > > From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 12:47:09 -0600 > > > > Subject: [naktalk] A Facebook page? > > > > > > > > Has anyone thought about putting up a Facebook page for naktalk? > > > > > > > > Just wanted to know what your thoughts are about it. > > > > > > > > Vic > > > > > > > > Victor M. Gabrenas > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From laurenh at gmail.com Tue Mar 15 19:36:00 2011 From: laurenh at gmail.com (Lauren Horn) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 10:36:00 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] A Facebook page? In-Reply-To: <003001cbe335$900b42a0$b021c7e0$@math.utah.edu> References: <000601cbe278$399378b0$acba6a10$@math.utah.edu> <6605121593265044954@unknownmsgid> <003001cbe335$900b42a0$b021c7e0$@math.utah.edu> Message-ID: <-8450168148400912258@unknownmsgid> So...a private group only for people who want it, and only for OT discussion? It's the last bit that worries me. Inevitably, IMO, some tech questions that would otherwise have appeared on the list would show up in the FB group. Avoiding that is my personal highest priority. --Lauren On Mar 15, 2011, at 10:31 AM, Victor Gabrenas wrote: I was thinking more a social aspect. Such as getting to know other members, share photos…etc. I personally keep my account tight. Vic *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On Behalf Of *Mark Exstedt *Sent:* Tuesday, March 15, 2011 9:44 AM *To:* naktalk at naks.com *Subject:* FW: [naktalk] A Facebook page? Very interesting point Lauren and I agree with your comments. Many of my friends refuse to have a Facebook page or go on it. Others who have one post the absolute minimum information about them. Don't 65% of employers check Facebook to gather *information* and *interest*on a person before hiring them? My final post on this subject. If folks want a Naktalk Facebook page, fine. If not, fine. > From: laurenh at gmail.com > Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 22:46:57 -0800 > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Facebook page? > To: naktalk at naks.com > > I am not opposed to it per se, but I fear it might drive off some > irreplaceable community members - and you are *all* irreplaceable, to > my mind! > > --Lauren > > On Mar 14, 2011, at 10:20 PM, Mark Exstedt wrote: > > > That sounds like a good idea. > > I think it would make Naktalk more interesting, perhaps to another level. > > I joined Facebook some two+ years ago. Folks post cats and dogs, talk about cats and dogs, and you get these astrology messages and birthday notices. Therefore I go on it VERY seldom. The biggest benefit was reuniting with old 1970's high school buddies and babes. > > Meow > > Bow Wow > > Are you a Leo? > > Folks need to get a life! > > The life owning a Nakamichi cassette deck! > > > > > > > From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 12:47:09 -0600 > > > Subject: [naktalk] A Facebook page? > > > > > > Has anyone thought about putting up a Facebook page for naktalk? > > > > > > Just wanted to know what your thoughts are about it. > > > > > > Vic > > > > > > Victor M. Gabrenas > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com Tue Mar 15 20:33:29 2011 From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 20:33:29 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nack for the buck? In-Reply-To: <-1118440197244009073@unknownmsgid> References: <000601cbe278$399378b0$acba6a10$@math.utah.edu> <6605121593265044954@unknownmsgid> <-1118440197244009073@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: very good to buy by not spending a lot of money are the Decks 660,670, 680, or ZX-7 If you want to listen to old cassettes you could buy a 582 because this model allows a very fast manual way to set the play back azimuth to a wrong recorded cassette. the are all sounding great, or lets say great like analog recordings on LP, all Nakamichi Decks do so, if the are in good shape. regards from europe Am 15.03.2011 um 18:25 schrieb Lauren Horn: > @Mark, you raise a good point of which I didn't think. I have an > active Facebook page because I'm not worried about potential employers > (though I might someday regret that); Anchorage, and in particular the > local IT community, is so small that I've little expectation that they > don't know or can't find out almost anything they want. > > But that's me. Facebook has a different "vibe" than does mailing > list, as well as a different etiquette. It very likely would feel > less focused on the subject at hand. > > Speaking of which, I should mention that I am *still* waiting on my > LX-3 to come out of the shop after three months. The tech did a > wonderful job on my monster Marantz 2385, and I know he has a long Nak > history, having been one of two Nak techs in town. This will be my > first Nak after an otherwise misspent youth longing for one, and I > can't wait. > > But now I wonder whether I should already be looking for an LX-5 or > other 3-head Nak to make the recordings I hope to make, and to hear > the 3-head sound about which I keep hearing. > > Has anyone hear an opinion about which 3-head decks tend to offer the > best bang for the buck on the used market? Is there a particular > model that tends to be under-appreciated and underpriced despite being > sonically excellent? A tall order, I know, but one can hope. : ) > > --Lauren > > On Mar 15, 2011, at 8:16 AM, Mark Exstedt > wrote: > >> Very interesting point Lauren and I agree with your comments. >> Many of my friends refuse to have a Facebook page or go on it. >> Others who have one post the absolute minimum information about them. >> Don't 65% of employers check Facebook to gather information and >> interest on a person before hiring them? >> My final post on this subject. If folks want a Naktalk Facebook >> page, fine. If not, fine. >> >>> From: laurenh at gmail.com >>> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 22:46:57 -0800 >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Facebook page? >>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>> >>> I am not opposed to it per se, but I fear it might drive off some >>> irreplaceable community members - and you are *all* >>> irreplaceable, to >>> my mind! >>> >>> --Lauren >>> >>> On Mar 14, 2011, at 10:20 PM, Mark Exstedt >>> wrote: >>> >>>> That sounds like a good idea. >>>> I think it would make Naktalk more interesting, perhaps to >>>> another level. >>>> I joined Facebook some two+ years ago. Folks post cats and dogs, >>>> talk about cats and dogs, and you get these astrology messages >>>> and birthday notices. Therefore I go on it VERY seldom. The >>>> biggest benefit was reuniting with old 1970's high school >>>> buddies and babes. >>>> Meow >>>> Bow Wow >>>> Are you a Leo? >>>> Folks need to get a life! >>>> The life owning a Nakamichi cassette deck! >>>> >>>> >>>>> From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu >>>>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 12:47:09 -0600 >>>>> Subject: [naktalk] A Facebook page? >>>>> >>>>> Has anyone thought about putting up a Facebook page for naktalk? >>>>> >>>>> Just wanted to know what your thoughts are about it. >>>>> >>>>> Vic >>>>> >>>>> Victor M. Gabrenas >>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >>>> naktalk >>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ========= >>> >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >>> naktalk >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From shoeihell at yahoo.com Tue Mar 15 17:50:04 2011 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 09:50:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RE:A Facebook page? In-Reply-To: <201103151118.p2FB96hS010442@zxe.naks.com> References: <201103151118.p2FB96hS010442@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <288079.43221.qm@web120706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Personally. I think sites like Facebook (social networking) are cesspools. The same kind of people that talk incessantly on their cell phones (about nothing) in grocery stores, dominate those sites. This site could probably be jazzed up with color, links and whatever....like Tapeheads.net. The guy that started that, Matt, was bored with the tape forum at Asylum. Anyway, I vote NO for Facebook Kevin Message: 3 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 23:47:03 -0600 From: Mark Exstedt Subject: FW: [naktalk] A Facebook page? To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" That sounds like a good idea. I think it would make Naktalk more interesting, perhaps to another level. I joined Facebook some two+ years ago. Folks post cats and dogs, talk about cats and dogs, and you get these astrology messages and birthday notices. 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A couple of questions to consider: * How would you ensure that the facebook conversations made it to the mailing list version - a second digest containing facebook threads? * Would the facebook mode of operation reduce Naktalk to inane comments? best regards from godzone Richard On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 4:43 AM, Mark Exstedt wrote: > Very interesting point Lauren and I agree with your comments. > Many of my friends refuse to have a Facebook page or go on it. > Others who have one post the absolute minimum information about them. > Don't 65% of employers check Facebook to gather *information* and * > interest* on a person before hiring them? > My final post on this subject. If folks want a Naktalk Facebook page, fine. > If not, fine. > > > From: laurenh at gmail.com > > Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 22:46:57 -0800 > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Facebook page? > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > I am not opposed to it per se, but I fear it might drive off some > > irreplaceable community members - and you are *all* irreplaceable, to > > my mind! > > > > --Lauren > > > > On Mar 14, 2011, at 10:20 PM, Mark Exstedt wrote: > > > > > That sounds like a good idea. > > > I think it would make Naktalk more interesting, perhaps to another > level. > > > I joined Facebook some two+ years ago. Folks post cats and dogs, talk > about cats and dogs, and you get these astrology messages and birthday > notices. Therefore I go on it VERY seldom. The biggest benefit was reuniting > with old 1970's high school buddies and babes. > > > Meow > > > Bow Wow > > > Are you a Leo? > > > Folks need to get a life! > > > The life owning a Nakamichi cassette deck! > > > > > > > > > > From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 12:47:09 -0600 > > > > Subject: [naktalk] A Facebook page? > > > > > > > > Has anyone thought about putting up a Facebook page for naktalk? > > > > > > > > Just wanted to know what your thoughts are about it. > > > > > > > > Vic > > > > > > > > Victor M. 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 15 23:37:32 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 15:37:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nack for the buck? In-Reply-To: References: <000601cbe278$399378b0$acba6a10$@math.utah.edu> <6605121593265044954@unknownmsgid> <-1118440197244009073@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <426288.619.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The 670 and 680 bring incredible amounts of performance for their price today. They both differ in terms of their sonic character with the 670 being a little warmer and a more easy going low frequency response. The 680 has a low frequency response you have to hear to believe, with better imaging and more crisp highs. Together with it's more flexible metering and record level adjusts, it gives more 'cassette recorder' then the 670.The lack of playback azimuth may seems like an important point, but the level of performance these machines deliver without pb azimuth is amazing. Great stuff. Bala ________________________________ From: Gerhard Wartha To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wed, March 16, 2011 3:33:29 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nack for the buck? very good to buy by not spending a lot of money are the Decks 660,670, 680, or ZX-7 If you want to listen to old cassettes you could buy a 582 because this model allows a very fast manual way to set the play back azimuth to a wrong recorded cassette. the are all sounding great, or lets say great like analog recordings on LP, all Nakamichi Decks do so, if the are in good shape. regards from europe Am 15.03.2011 um 18:25 schrieb Lauren Horn: > @Mark, you raise a good point of which I didn't think. I have an > active Facebook page because I'm not worried about potential employers > (though I might someday regret that); Anchorage, and in particular the > local IT community, is so small that I've little expectation that they > don't know or can't find out almost anything they want. > > But that's me. Facebook has a different "vibe" than does mailing > list, as well as a different etiquette. It very likely would feel > less focused on the subject at hand. > > Speaking of which, I should mention that I am *still* waiting on my > LX-3 to come out of the shop after three months. The tech did a > wonderful job on my monster Marantz 2385, and I know he has a long Nak > history, having been one of two Nak techs in town. This will be my > first Nak after an otherwise misspent youth longing for one, and I > can't wait. > > But now I wonder whether I should already be looking for an LX-5 or > other 3-head Nak to make the recordings I hope to make, and to hear > the 3-head sound about which I keep hearing. > > Has anyone hear an opinion about which 3-head decks tend to offer the > best bang for the buck on the used market? Is there a particular > model that tends to be under-appreciated and underpriced despite being > sonically excellent? A tall order, I know, but one can hope. : ) > > --Lauren > > On Mar 15, 2011, at 8:16 AM, Mark Exstedt wrote: > >> Very interesting point Lauren and I agree with your comments. >> Many of my friends refuse to have a Facebook page or go on it. >> Others who have one post the absolute minimum information about them. >> Don't 65% of employers check Facebook to gather information and interest on a >>person before hiring them? >> My final post on this subject. If folks want a Naktalk Facebook page, fine. If >>not, fine. >> >>> From: laurenh at gmail.com >>> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 22:46:57 -0800 >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Facebook page? >>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>> >>> I am not opposed to it per se, but I fear it might drive off some >>> irreplaceable community members - and you are *all* irreplaceable, to >>> my mind! >>> >>> --Lauren >>> >>> On Mar 14, 2011, at 10:20 PM, Mark Exstedt wrote: >>> >>>> That sounds like a good idea. >>>> I think it would make Naktalk more interesting, perhaps to another level. >>>> I joined Facebook some two+ years ago. Folks post cats and dogs, talk about >>>>cats and dogs, and you get these astrology messages and birthday notices. >>>>Therefore I go on it VERY seldom. The biggest benefit was reuniting with old >>>>1970's high school buddies and babes. >>>> Meow >>>> Bow Wow >>>> Are you a Leo? >>>> Folks need to get a life! >>>> The life owning a Nakamichi cassette deck! >>>> >>>> >>>>> From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu >>>>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 12:47:09 -0600 >>>>> Subject: [naktalk] A Facebook page? >>>>> >>>>> Has anyone thought about putting up a Facebook page for naktalk? >>>>> >>>>> Just wanted to know what your thoughts are about it. >>>>> >>>>> Vic >>>>> >>>>> Victor M. Gabrenas >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From laurenh at gmail.com Tue Mar 15 23:45:30 2011 From: laurenh at gmail.com (Lauren Horn) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 14:45:30 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nack for the buck? In-Reply-To: References: <000601cbe278$399378b0$acba6a10$@math.utah.edu> <6605121593265044954@unknownmsgid> <-1118440197244009073@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <3904206640493463144@unknownmsgid> Thank you very much! I do have a couple hundred laboriously created but now rather aged tapes in a box somewhere, and I would like to salvage them if I can. So thank you for the advice, and especially the tip on the 582. --Lauren On Mar 15, 2011, at 2:05 PM, Gerhard Wartha wrote: > very good to buy by not spending a lot of money are the Decks 660,670, 680, or ZX-7 > > If you want to listen to old cassettes you could buy a 582 because this model allows a very fast manual > way to set the play back azimuth to a wrong recorded cassette. > > the are all sounding great, or lets say great like analog recordings on LP, all Nakamichi Decks do so, if the are in good shape. > > > > regards from europe > > > Am 15.03.2011 um 18:25 schrieb Lauren Horn: > >> @Mark, you raise a good point of which I didn't think. I have an >> active Facebook page because I'm not worried about potential employers >> (though I might someday regret that); Anchorage, and in particular the >> local IT community, is so small that I've little expectation that they >> don't know or can't find out almost anything they want. >> >> But that's me. Facebook has a different "vibe" than does mailing >> list, as well as a different etiquette. It very likely would feel >> less focused on the subject at hand. >> >> Speaking of which, I should mention that I am *still* waiting on my >> LX-3 to come out of the shop after three months. The tech did a >> wonderful job on my monster Marantz 2385, and I know he has a long Nak >> history, having been one of two Nak techs in town. This will be my >> first Nak after an otherwise misspent youth longing for one, and I >> can't wait. >> >> But now I wonder whether I should already be looking for an LX-5 or >> other 3-head Nak to make the recordings I hope to make, and to hear >> the 3-head sound about which I keep hearing. >> >> Has anyone hear an opinion about which 3-head decks tend to offer the >> best bang for the buck on the used market? Is there a particular >> model that tends to be under-appreciated and underpriced despite being >> sonically excellent? A tall order, I know, but one can hope. : ) >> >> --Lauren >> >> On Mar 15, 2011, at 8:16 AM, Mark Exstedt wrote: >> >>> Very interesting point Lauren and I agree with your comments. >>> Many of my friends refuse to have a Facebook page or go on it. >>> Others who have one post the absolute minimum information about them. >>> Don't 65% of employers check Facebook to gather information and interest on a person before hiring them? >>> My final post on this subject. If folks want a Naktalk Facebook page, fine. If not, fine. >>> >>>> From: laurenh at gmail.com >>>> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 22:46:57 -0800 >>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Facebook page? >>>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>>> >>>> I am not opposed to it per se, but I fear it might drive off some >>>> irreplaceable community members - and you are *all* irreplaceable, to >>>> my mind! >>>> >>>> --Lauren >>>> >>>> On Mar 14, 2011, at 10:20 PM, Mark Exstedt wrote: >>>> >>>>> That sounds like a good idea. >>>>> I think it would make Naktalk more interesting, perhaps to another level. >>>>> I joined Facebook some two+ years ago. Folks post cats and dogs, talk about cats and dogs, and you get these astrology messages and birthday notices. Therefore I go on it VERY seldom. The biggest benefit was reuniting with old 1970's high school buddies and babes. >>>>> Meow >>>>> Bow Wow >>>>> Are you a Leo? >>>>> Folks need to get a life! >>>>> The life owning a Nakamichi cassette deck! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu >>>>>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>>> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 12:47:09 -0600 >>>>>> Subject: [naktalk] A Facebook page? >>>>>> >>>>>> Has anyone thought about putting up a Facebook page for naktalk? >>>>>> >>>>>> Just wanted to know what your thoughts are about it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Vic >>>>>> >>>>>> Victor M. Gabrenas >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From lenaw at flash.net Wed Mar 16 00:01:17 2011 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 16:01:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nack for the buck? In-Reply-To: <426288.619.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <000601cbe278$399378b0$acba6a10$@math.utah.edu> <6605121593265044954@unknownmsgid> <-1118440197244009073@unknownmsgid> <426288.619.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <227712.9736.qm@web80202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bala:          Both 670 and 680 have the same record level adjust. 680 has a better meter system though. They both have the same low frequency response although 680 have the same high frequency response for all three types of tapes while the 670 only has the same high frequency response as the 680 with Metal Tape.          Both are great playback decks for the money though. Mike ________________________________ From: Bala Ganesh Chandra To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, March 15, 2011 5:37:32 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nack for the buck? The 670 and 680 bring incredible amounts of performance for their price today. They both differ in terms of their sonic character with the 670 being a little warmer and a more easy going low frequency response. The 680 has a low frequency response you have to hear to believe, with better imaging and more crisp highs. Together with it's more flexible metering and record level adjusts, it gives more 'cassette recorder' then the 670.The lack of playback azimuth may seems like an important point, but the level of performance these machines deliver without pb azimuth is amazing. Great stuff. Bala ________________________________ From: Gerhard Wartha To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wed, March 16, 2011 3:33:29 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nack for the buck? very good to buy by not spending a lot of money are  the Decks 660,670, 680, or ZX-7 If you want to listen to old cassettes you could  buy a 582 because this model  allows a very fast manual way to set the play back azimuth to  a wrong recorded cassette. the are all sounding great, or lets say great like analog recordings on LP, all Nakamichi Decks do so, if the are in good shape. regards from europe Am 15.03.2011 um 18:25 schrieb Lauren Horn: > @Mark, you raise a good point of which I didn't think.  I have an > active Facebook page because I'm not worried about potential employers > (though I might someday regret that); Anchorage, and in particular the > local IT community, is so small that I've little expectation that they > don't know or can't find out almost anything they want. > > But that's me.  Facebook has a different "vibe" than does mailing > list, as well as a different etiquette.  It very likely would feel > less focused on the subject at hand. > > Speaking of which, I should mention that I am *still* waiting on my > LX-3 to come out of the shop after three months.  The tech did a > wonderful job on my monster Marantz 2385, and I know he has a long Nak > history, having been one of two Nak techs in town. This will be my > first Nak after an otherwise misspent youth longing for one, and I > can't wait. > > But now I wonder whether I should already be looking for an LX-5 or > other 3-head Nak to make the recordings I hope to make, and to hear > the 3-head sound about which I keep hearing. > > Has anyone hear an opinion about which 3-head decks tend to offer the > best bang for the buck on the used market?  Is there a particular > model that tends to be under-appreciated and underpriced despite being > sonically excellent?  A tall order, I know, but one can hope.  : ) > > --Lauren > > On Mar 15, 2011, at 8:16 AM, Mark Exstedt wrote: > >> Very interesting point Lauren and I agree with your comments. >> Many of my friends refuse to have a Facebook page or go on it. >> Others who have one post the absolute minimum information about them. >> Don't 65% of employers check Facebook to gather information and interest on a >>person before hiring them? >> My final post on this subject. If folks want a Naktalk Facebook page, fine. If >>not, fine. >> >>> From: laurenh at gmail.com >>> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 22:46:57 -0800 >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Facebook page? >>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>> >>> I am not opposed to it per se, but I fear it might drive off some >>> irreplaceable community members - and you are *all* irreplaceable, to >>> my mind! >>> >>> --Lauren >>> >>> On Mar 14, 2011, at 10:20 PM, Mark Exstedt wrote: >>> >>>> That sounds like a good idea. >>>> I think it would make Naktalk more interesting, perhaps to another level. >>>> I joined Facebook some two+ years ago. Folks post cats and dogs, talk about >>>>cats and dogs, and you get these astrology messages and birthday notices. >>>>Therefore I go on it VERY seldom. The biggest benefit was reuniting with old >>>>1970's high school buddies and babes. >>>> Meow >>>> Bow Wow >>>> Are you a Leo? >>>> Folks need to get a life! >>>> The life owning a Nakamichi cassette deck! >>>> >>>> >>>>> From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu >>>>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 12:47:09 -0600 >>>>> Subject: [naktalk] A Facebook page? >>>>> >>>>> Has anyone thought about putting up a Facebook page for naktalk? >>>>> >>>>> Just wanted to know what your thoughts are about it. >>>>> >>>>> Vic >>>>> >>>>> Victor M. Gabrenas >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From laurenh at gmail.com Wed Mar 16 01:25:42 2011 From: laurenh at gmail.com (Lauren Horn) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 16:25:42 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nack for the buck? In-Reply-To: <426288.619.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <000601cbe278$399378b0$acba6a10$@math.utah.edu> <6605121593265044954@unknownmsgid> <-1118440197244009073@unknownmsgid> <426288.619.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Bala. I'm looking into them. On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 2:37 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > The 670 and 680 bring incredible amounts of performance for their price > today. They both differ in terms of their sonic character with the 670 being > a little warmer and a more easy going low frequency response. The 680 has a > low frequency response you have to hear to believe, with better imaging and > more crisp highs. Together with it's more flexible metering and record level > adjusts, it gives more 'cassette recorder' then the 670.The lack of playback > azimuth may seems like an important point, but the level of performance > these machines deliver without pb azimuth is amazing. > > Great stuff. > > Bala > ________________________________ > From: Gerhard Wartha > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Wed, March 16, 2011 3:33:29 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Nack for the buck? > > very good to buy by not spending a lot of money are  the Decks 660,670, 680, > or ZX-7 > > If you want to listen to old cassettes you could  buy a 582 because this > model  allows a very fast manual > way to set the play back azimuth to  a wrong recorded cassette. > > the are all sounding great, or lets say great like analog recordings on LP, > all Nakamichi Decks do so, if the are in good shape. > > > > regards from europe > > > Am 15.03.2011 um 18:25 schrieb Lauren Horn: > >> @Mark, you raise a good point of which I didn't think.  I have an >> active Facebook page because I'm not worried about potential employers >> (though I might someday regret that); Anchorage, and in particular the >> local IT community, is so small that I've little expectation that they >> don't know or can't find out almost anything they want. >> >> But that's me.  Facebook has a different "vibe" than does mailing >> list, as well as a different etiquette.  It very likely would feel >> less focused on the subject at hand. >> >> Speaking of which, I should mention that I am *still* waiting on my >> LX-3 to come out of the shop after three months.  The tech did a >> wonderful job on my monster Marantz 2385, and I know he has a long Nak >> history, having been one of two Nak techs in town. This will be my >> first Nak after an otherwise misspent youth longing for one, and I >> can't wait. >> >> But now I wonder whether I should already be looking for an LX-5 or >> other 3-head Nak to make the recordings I hope to make, and to hear >> the 3-head sound about which I keep hearing. >> >> Has anyone hear an opinion about which 3-head decks tend to offer the >> best bang for the buck on the used market?  Is there a particular >> model that tends to be under-appreciated and underpriced despite being >> sonically excellent?  A tall order, I know, but one can hope.  : ) >> >> --Lauren >> >> On Mar 15, 2011, at 8:16 AM, Mark Exstedt wrote: >> >>> Very interesting point Lauren and I agree with your comments. >>> Many of my friends refuse to have a Facebook page or go on it. >>> Others who have one post the absolute minimum information about them. >>> Don't 65% of employers check Facebook to gather information and interest >>> on a person before hiring them? >>> My final post on this subject. If folks want a Naktalk Facebook page, >>> fine. If not, fine. >>> >>>> From: laurenh at gmail.com >>>> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 22:46:57 -0800 >>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Facebook page? >>>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>>> >>>> I am not opposed to it per se, but I fear it might drive off some >>>> irreplaceable community members - and you are *all* irreplaceable, to >>>> my mind! >>>> >>>> --Lauren >>>> >>>> On Mar 14, 2011, at 10:20 PM, Mark Exstedt wrote: >>>> >>>>> That sounds like a good idea. >>>>> I think it would make Naktalk more interesting, perhaps to another >>>>> level. >>>>> I joined Facebook some two+ years ago. Folks post cats and dogs, talk >>>>> about cats and dogs, and you get these astrology messages and birthday >>>>> notices. Therefore I go on it VERY seldom. The biggest benefit was reuniting >>>>> with old 1970's high school buddies and babes. >>>>> Meow >>>>> Bow Wow >>>>> Are you a Leo? >>>>> Folks need to get a life! >>>>> The life owning a Nakamichi cassette deck! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu >>>>>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>>> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 12:47:09 -0600 >>>>>> Subject: [naktalk] A Facebook page? >>>>>> >>>>>> Has anyone thought about putting up a Facebook page for naktalk? >>>>>> >>>>>> Just wanted to know what your thoughts are about it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Vic >>>>>> >>>>>> Victor M. Gabrenas >>>>> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>> Maintain your account here: >>>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 16 04:34:02 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 20:34:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nack for the buck? In-Reply-To: <227712.9736.qm@web80202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <000601cbe278$399378b0$acba6a10$@math.utah.edu> <6605121593265044954@unknownmsgid> <-1118440197244009073@unknownmsgid> <426288.619.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <227712.9736.qm@web80202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <761434.13173.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Mike, The 680ZX is spec'ed to 10Hz according to an independent review back in 1982. And it has independent adjustment for the three different tape types. These are in small pots underneath the VFD meter display. While they both have similar specs for the high frequency, the 680ZX has an edge in imaging, staging and sounds crisp. The 670 has a more easy going presentation. This could boil down to the rest of the system in which I did the evaluation but a few Naktalkers mailed me offline to confirm this observation. Again, it just could be our ears. Cheers! Bala ________________________________ From: LENA WONG To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wed, March 16, 2011 7:01:17 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nack for the buck? Bala: Both 670 and 680 have the same record level adjust. 680 has a better meter system though. They both have the same low frequency response although 680 have the same high frequency response for all three types of tapes while the 670 only has the same high frequency response as the 680 with Metal Tape. Both are great playback decks for the money though. Mike ________________________________ From: Bala Ganesh Chandra To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, March 15, 2011 5:37:32 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nack for the buck? The 670 and 680 bring incredible amounts of performance for their price today. They both differ in terms of their sonic character with the 670 being a little warmer and a more easy going low frequency response. The 680 has a low frequency response you have to hear to believe, with better imaging and more crisp highs. Together with it's more flexible metering and record level adjusts, it gives more 'cassette recorder' then the 670.The lack of playback azimuth may seems like an important point, but the level of performance these machines deliver without pb azimuth is amazing. Great stuff. Bala ________________________________ From: Gerhard Wartha To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wed, March 16, 2011 3:33:29 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nack for the buck? very good to buy by not spending a lot of money are the Decks 660,670, 680, or ZX-7 If you want to listen to old cassettes you could buy a 582 because this model allows a very fast manual way to set the play back azimuth to a wrong recorded cassette. the are all sounding great, or lets say great like analog recordings on LP, all Nakamichi Decks do so, if the are in good shape. regards from europe Am 15.03.2011 um 18:25 schrieb Lauren Horn: > @Mark, you raise a good point of which I didn't think. I have an > active Facebook page because I'm not worried about potential employers > (though I might someday regret that); Anchorage, and in particular the > local IT community, is so small that I've little expectation that they > don't know or can't find out almost anything they want. > > But that's me. Facebook has a different "vibe" than does mailing > list, as well as a different etiquette. It very likely would feel > less focused on the subject at hand. > > Speaking of which, I should mention that I am *still* waiting on my > LX-3 to come out of the shop after three months. The tech did a > wonderful job on my monster Marantz 2385, and I know he has a long Nak > history, having been one of two Nak techs in town. This will be my > first Nak after an otherwise misspent youth longing for one, and I > can't wait. > > But now I wonder whether I should already be looking for an LX-5 or > other 3-head Nak to make the recordings I hope to make, and to hear > the 3-head sound about which I keep hearing. > > Has anyone hear an opinion about which 3-head decks tend to offer the > best bang for the buck on the used market? Is there a particular > model that tends to be under-appreciated and underpriced despite being > sonically excellent? A tall order, I know, but one can hope. : ) > > --Lauren > > On Mar 15, 2011, at 8:16 AM, Mark Exstedt wrote: > >> Very interesting point Lauren and I agree with your comments. >> Many of my friends refuse to have a Facebook page or go on it. >> Others who have one post the absolute minimum information about them. >> Don't 65% of employers check Facebook to gather information and interest on a >>person before hiring them? >> My final post on this subject. If folks want a Naktalk Facebook page, fine. If >>not, fine. >> >>> From: laurenh at gmail.com >>> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 22:46:57 -0800 >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Facebook page? >>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>> >>> I am not opposed to it per se, but I fear it might drive off some >>> irreplaceable community members - and you are *all* irreplaceable, to >>> my mind! >>> >>> --Lauren >>> >>> On Mar 14, 2011, at 10:20 PM, Mark Exstedt wrote: >>> >>>> That sounds like a good idea. >>>> I think it would make Naktalk more interesting, perhaps to another level. >>>> I joined Facebook some two+ years ago. Folks post cats and dogs, talk about >>>>cats and dogs, and you get these astrology messages and birthday notices. >>>>Therefore I go on it VERY seldom. The biggest benefit was reuniting with old >>>>1970's high school buddies and babes. >>>> Meow >>>> Bow Wow >>>> Are you a Leo? >>>> Folks need to get a life! >>>> The life owning a Nakamichi cassette deck! >>>> >>>> >>>>> From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu >>>>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 12:47:09 -0600 >>>>> Subject: [naktalk] A Facebook page? >>>>> >>>>> Has anyone thought about putting up a Facebook page for naktalk? >>>>> >>>>> Just wanted to know what your thoughts are about it. >>>>> >>>>> Vic >>>>> >>>>> Victor M. Gabrenas >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The 680 has a > low frequency response you have to hear to believe, with better imaging and > more crisp highs. Together with it's more flexible metering and record level > adjusts, it gives more 'cassette recorder' then the 670.The lack of playback > azimuth may seems like an important point, but the level of performance > these machines deliver without pb azimuth is amazing. > > Great stuff. > > Bala > ________________________________ > From: Gerhard Wartha > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Wed, March 16, 2011 3:33:29 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Nack for the buck? > > very good to buy by not spending a lot of money are the Decks 660,670, 680, > or ZX-7 > > If you want to listen to old cassettes you could buy a 582 because this > model allows a very fast manual > way to set the play back azimuth to a wrong recorded cassette. > > the are all sounding great, or lets say great like analog recordings on LP, > all Nakamichi Decks do so, if the are in good shape. > > > > regards from europe > > > Am 15.03.2011 um 18:25 schrieb Lauren Horn: > >> @Mark, you raise a good point of which I didn't think. I have an >> active Facebook page because I'm not worried about potential employers >> (though I might someday regret that); Anchorage, and in particular the >> local IT community, is so small that I've little expectation that they >> don't know or can't find out almost anything they want. >> >> But that's me. Facebook has a different "vibe" than does mailing >> list, as well as a different etiquette. It very likely would feel >> less focused on the subject at hand. >> >> Speaking of which, I should mention that I am *still* waiting on my >> LX-3 to come out of the shop after three months. The tech did a >> wonderful job on my monster Marantz 2385, and I know he has a long Nak >> history, having been one of two Nak techs in town. This will be my >> first Nak after an otherwise misspent youth longing for one, and I >> can't wait. >> >> But now I wonder whether I should already be looking for an LX-5 or >> other 3-head Nak to make the recordings I hope to make, and to hear >> the 3-head sound about which I keep hearing. >> >> Has anyone hear an opinion about which 3-head decks tend to offer the >> best bang for the buck on the used market? Is there a particular >> model that tends to be under-appreciated and underpriced despite being >> sonically excellent? A tall order, I know, but one can hope. : ) >> >> --Lauren >> >> On Mar 15, 2011, at 8:16 AM, Mark Exstedt wrote: >> >>> Very interesting point Lauren and I agree with your comments. >>> Many of my friends refuse to have a Facebook page or go on it. >>> Others who have one post the absolute minimum information about them. >>> Don't 65% of employers check Facebook to gather information and interest >>> on a person before hiring them? >>> My final post on this subject. If folks want a Naktalk Facebook page, >>> fine. If not, fine. >>> >>>> From: laurenh at gmail.com >>>> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 22:46:57 -0800 >>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Facebook page? >>>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>>> >>>> I am not opposed to it per se, but I fear it might drive off some >>>> irreplaceable community members - and you are *all* irreplaceable, to >>>> my mind! >>>> >>>> --Lauren >>>> >>>> On Mar 14, 2011, at 10:20 PM, Mark Exstedt wrote: >>>> >>>>> That sounds like a good idea. >>>>> I think it would make Naktalk more interesting, perhaps to another >>>>> level. >>>>> I joined Facebook some two+ years ago. Folks post cats and dogs, talk >>>>> about cats and dogs, and you get these astrology messages and birthday >>>>> notices. Therefore I go on it VERY seldom. The biggest benefit was >reuniting >>>>> with old 1970's high school buddies and babes. >>>>> Meow >>>>> Bow Wow >>>>> Are you a Leo? >>>>> Folks need to get a life! >>>>> The life owning a Nakamichi cassette deck! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu >>>>>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>>> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 12:47:09 -0600 >>>>>> Subject: [naktalk] A Facebook page? >>>>>> >>>>>> Has anyone thought about putting up a Facebook page for naktalk? >>>>>> >>>>>> Just wanted to know what your thoughts are about it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Vic >>>>>> >>>>>> Victor M. Gabrenas >>>>> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>> Maintain your account here: >>>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I started of back in the early 80s with a BX-1 bought it brand new and still have it and it works great after a idler tire. then in I think in 2006 after i put the tire on the BX-1 and pulled out the old tapes and gave them a listen and thinking this really sounds good started looking on ebay for a one up on the bx-1 and came across a BX-300 and then well yea you get what I'm saying just can't have to many nak's and for the LX-5 it is a really good deck and you would not be disappointed with it and for that matter your LX-3 will probably sound great when you get it back good luck .  sorry for the long post      Dam beer Russ --- On Tue, 3/15/11, Lauren Horn wrote: From: Lauren Horn Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Facebook page? To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, March 15, 2011, 12:25 PM @Mark, you raise a good point of which I didn't think.  I have an active Facebook page because I'm not worried about potential employers (though I might someday regret that); Anchorage, and in particular the local IT community, is so small that I've little expectation that they don't know or can't find out almost anything they want. But that's me.  Facebook has a different "vibe" than does mailing list, as well as a different etiquette.  It very likely would feel less focused on the subject at hand. Speaking of which, I should mention that I am *still* waiting on my LX-3 to come out of the shop after three months.  The tech did a wonderful job on my monster Marantz 2385, and I know he has a long Nak history, having been one of two Nak techs in town. This will be my first Nak after an otherwise misspent youth longing for one, and I can't wait. But now I wonder whether I should already be looking for an LX-5 or other 3-head Nak to make the recordings I hope to make, and to hear the 3-head sound about which I keep hearing. Has anyone hear an opinion about which 3-head decks tend to offer the best bang for the buck on the used market?  Is there a particular model that tends to be under-appreciated and underpriced despite being sonically excellent?  A tall order, I know, but one can hope.  : ) --Lauren -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From d_h_gore at yahoo.com Wed Mar 16 01:50:34 2011 From: d_h_gore at yahoo.com (Don Gore) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 17:50:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RE:A Facebook page? In-Reply-To: <288079.43221.qm@web120706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <201103151118.p2FB96hS010442@zxe.naks.com> <288079.43221.qm@web120706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <598443.14316.qm@web65713.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> I'm an old telnet user so I think of Facebook and twitter as being for those who just like to socialize rather than exchange information. ________________________________ From: Kevin Fetner To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tue, March 15, 2011 12:50:04 PM Subject: [naktalk] RE:A Facebook page? Personally. I think sites like Facebook (social networking) are cesspools. The same kind of people that talk incessantly on their cell phones (about nothing) in grocery stores, dominate those sites. This site could probably be jazzed up with color, links and whatever....like Tapeheads.net. The guy that started that, Matt, was bored with the tape forum at Asylum. 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URL: From yregelman at gmail.com Wed Mar 16 02:04:21 2011 From: yregelman at gmail.com (Yuri Regelman) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 18:04:21 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] humming Dragon Message-ID: Hello Nak Gurus, I'm trying to troubleshoot a problem with my Dragon, and I'm hoping to glimpse some insights from you. The issue is that it is producing very slight AC noise in playback mode. The problem is only noticeable while playing silent portions of tape at high volumes. None of my other decks CR-7, RX-505 and ZX-7 exhibit any of AC type noise. So, while I am definitely nit-picking, and the issue is unnoticeable in normal use, it seems like it should not be there at all in a deck of this caliber. I've looked at the power supply rails on the amp board with a scope and don't see any AC ripple. The grounding wires seem to be properly attached, playback head wiring seems properly routed... nothing too obvious. I did stock all the large caps and I'm planning to replace them soon. But before I blindly charge ahead changing electrolytic caps hoping the issue would go away, I'd like to try to find the root cause. So my question is: do Dragons have some usual trouble spots that may result in AC hum being injected into the playback, and what are good ways to troubleshoot something like that? Any input is highly appreciated. Cheers, Yuri -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From David.Moore at team.telstra.com Wed Mar 16 02:10:50 2011 From: David.Moore at team.telstra.com (Moore, David L) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:10:50 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Nack for the buck? In-Reply-To: <227712.9736.qm@web80202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <000601cbe278$399378b0$acba6a10$@math.utah.edu> <6605121593265044954@unknownmsgid> <-1118440197244009073@unknownmsgid> <426288.619.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <227712.9736.qm@web80202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6A809DE3D3D91C4DA371BE6FC0954CE74A22355F70@WSMSG3101V.srv.dir.telstra.com> My choice of a budget Nak playback deck is the LX-5. I have bench tested many Nak models and the LX-5 is really outstanding. You do need to adjust the PB azimuth manually but it's very easy to do. Over the years I have owned : 682, 700ZXL, 1000ZXL, LX-5, ZX-9, and CR-7. I'm now down to just 2 Naks, the 700ZXL and the LX-5. Regards, David From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of LENA WONG Sent: Wednesday, 16 March 2011 10:01 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nack for the buck? Bala: Both 670 and 680 have the same record level adjust. 680 has a better meter system though. They both have the same low frequency response although 680 have the same high frequency response for all three types of tapes while the 670 only has the same high frequency response as the 680 with Metal Tape. Both are great playback decks for the money though. Mike ________________________________ From: Bala Ganesh Chandra To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, March 15, 2011 5:37:32 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nack for the buck? The 670 and 680 bring incredible amounts of performance for their price today. They both differ in terms of their sonic character with the 670 being a little warmer and a more easy going low frequency response. The 680 has a low frequency response you have to hear to believe, with better imaging and more crisp highs. Together with it's more flexible metering and record level adjusts, it gives more 'cassette recorder' then the 670.The lack of playback azimuth may seems like an important point, but the level of performance these machines deliver without pb azimuth is amazing. Great stuff. Bala ________________________________ From: Gerhard Wartha To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wed, March 16, 2011 3:33:29 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nack for the buck? very good to buy by not spending a lot of money are the Decks 660,670, 680, or ZX-7 If you want to listen to old cassettes you could buy a 582 because this model allows a very fast manual way to set the play back azimuth to a wrong recorded cassette. the are all sounding great, or lets say great like analog recordings on LP, all Nakamichi Decks do so, if the are in good shape. regards from europe Am 15.03.2011 um 18:25 schrieb Lauren Horn: > @Mark, you raise a good point of which I didn't think. I have an > active Facebook page because I'm not worried about potential employers > (though I might someday regret that); Anchorage, and in particular the > local IT community, is so small that I've little expectation that they > don't know or can't find out almost anything they want. > > But that's me. Facebook has a different "vibe" than does mailing > list, as well as a different etiquette. It very likely would feel > less focused on the subject at hand. > > Speaking of which, I should mention that I am *still* waiting on my > LX-3 to come out of the shop after three months. The tech did a > wonderful job on my monster Marantz 2385, and I know he has a long Nak > history, having been one of two Nak techs in town. This will be my > first Nak after an otherwise misspent youth longing for one, and I > can't wait. > > But now I wonder whether I should already be looking for an LX-5 or > other 3-head Nak to make the recordings I hope to make, and to hear > the 3-head sound about which I keep hearing. > > Has anyone hear an opinion about which 3-head decks tend to offer the > best bang for the buck on the used market? Is there a particular > model that tends to be under-appreciated and underpriced despite being > sonically excellent? A tall order, I know, but one can hope. : ) > > --Lauren > > On Mar 15, 2011, at 8:16 AM, Mark Exstedt > wrote: > >> Very interesting point Lauren and I agree with your comments. >> Many of my friends refuse to have a Facebook page or go on it. >> Others who have one post the absolute minimum information about them. >> Don't 65% of employers check Facebook to gather information and interest on a person before hiring them? >> My final post on this subject. If folks want a Naktalk Facebook page, fine. If not, fine. >> >>> From: laurenh at gmail.com >>> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 22:46:57 -0800 >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Facebook page? >>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>> >>> I am not opposed to it per se, but I fear it might drive off some >>> irreplaceable community members - and you are *all* irreplaceable, to >>> my mind! >>> >>> --Lauren >>> >>> On Mar 14, 2011, at 10:20 PM, Mark Exstedt > wrote: >>> >>>> That sounds like a good idea. >>>> I think it would make Naktalk more interesting, perhaps to another level. >>>> I joined Facebook some two+ years ago. Folks post cats and dogs, talk about cats and dogs, and you get these astrology messages and birthday notices. Therefore I go on it VERY seldom. The biggest benefit was reuniting with old 1970's high school buddies and babes. >>>> Meow >>>> Bow Wow >>>> Are you a Leo? >>>> Folks need to get a life! >>>> The life owning a Nakamichi cassette deck! >>>> >>>> >>>>> From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu >>>>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 12:47:09 -0600 >>>>> Subject: [naktalk] A Facebook page? >>>>> >>>>> Has anyone thought about putting up a Facebook page for naktalk? >>>>> >>>>> Just wanted to know what your thoughts are about it. >>>>> >>>>> Vic >>>>> >>>>> Victor M. Gabrenas >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fergus.cullen at gmail.com Wed Mar 16 10:50:36 2011 From: fergus.cullen at gmail.com (Fergus Cullen) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 09:50:36 +0000 Subject: FW: [naktalk] A Facebook page? In-Reply-To: References: <000601cbe278$399378b0$acba6a10$@math.utah.edu> <6605121593265044954@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Like Larry I don't post often but like to read everyone's posts. I was on Facebook but u left and won't be going back. If a Facebook profile is created I hope naktalk will continue in parallel. Fergus On 16 Mar 2011 09:21, "Larry Casey" wrote: > I also primarily lurk and do my yakking on audioasylum. > > I value the site and it has been very helpful as I came across Willy Hermann > and he did a nice job spiffing up my nak hi-com noise reduction unit and I > have him in the rolodex if my ZX7 ever hiccups on me. > > I am not a facebook user and am not going to sign up if Nak talk moves > over. Because I do not post on Naktalk no big deal but I do read most of > the comments with the current format. > > Cheers, Larry Casey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kroger1032 at rogers.com Wed Mar 16 13:29:50 2011 From: kroger1032 at rogers.com (KEVIN ROGERS) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 05:29:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] humming Dragon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <276075.68506.qm@web88206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I have noticed the sam problem with my Dragon.   Kevin Rogers --- On Wed, 3/16/11, Yuri Regelman wrote: From: Yuri Regelman Subject: [naktalk] humming Dragon To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, March 16, 2011, 1:04 AM Hello Nak Gurus, I'm trying to troubleshoot a problem with my Dragon, and I'm hoping to glimpse some insights from you. The issue is that it is producing very slight AC noise in playback mode.  The problem is only noticeable while playing silent portions of tape at high volumes.   None of my other decks CR-7, RX-505 and ZX-7 exhibit any of AC type noise. So, while I am definitely nit-picking, and the issue is unnoticeable in normal use, it seems like it should not be there at all in a deck of this caliber. I've looked at the power supply rails on the amp board with a scope and don't see any AC ripple. The grounding wires seem to be properly attached,  playback head wiring seems properly routed... nothing too obvious. I did stock all the large caps and I'm planning to replace them soon.  But before I blindly charge ahead changing electrolytic caps hoping the issue would go away, I'd like to try to find the root cause.  So my question is:  do Dragons have some usual trouble spots that may result in AC hum being injected into the playback, and what are good ways to troubleshoot something like that? Any input is highly appreciated. Cheers, Yuri -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Wed Mar 16 15:21:14 2011 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 07:21:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nack for the buck? In-Reply-To: <761434.13173.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <000601cbe278$399378b0$acba6a10$@math.utah.edu> <6605121593265044954@unknownmsgid> <-1118440197244009073@unknownmsgid> <426288.619.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <227712.9736.qm@web80202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <761434.13173.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <974454.18996.qm@web80204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Bala:               660, 670 and 680 all specified down to 10Hz(+/-3dB)  and all three have the same adjustments on "Dolby Level Sensitivity" only for all three tapes. The main difference between the 660/670 and the 680 is the dual speed and 1000ZXL Level Meters of the later. Like what you said whether there is any difference in sonic between the three is up to the listeners. In my opinion they are great playback decks and solidly built. Happy Listening, Mike ________________________________ From: Bala Ganesh Chandra To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, March 15, 2011 10:34:02 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nack for the buck? Hi Mike, The 680ZX is spec'ed to 10Hz according to an independent review back in 1982. And it has independent adjustment for the three different tape types. These are in small pots underneath the VFD meter display. While they both have similar specs for the high frequency, the 680ZX has an edge in imaging, staging and sounds crisp. The 670 has a more easy going presentation. This could boil down to the rest of the system in which I did the evaluation but a few Naktalkers mailed me offline to confirm this observation. Again, it just could be our ears. Cheers! Bala ________________________________ From: LENA WONG To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wed, March 16, 2011 7:01:17 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nack for the buck? Bala:          Both 670 and 680 have the same record level adjust. 680 has a better meter system though. They both have the same low frequency response although 680 have the same high frequency response for all three types of tapes while the 670 only has the same high frequency response as the 680 with Metal Tape.          Both are great playback decks for the money though. Mike ________________________________ From: Bala Ganesh Chandra To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, March 15, 2011 5:37:32 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nack for the buck? The 670 and 680 bring incredible amounts of performance for their price today. They both differ in terms of their sonic character with the 670 being a little warmer and a more easy going low frequency response. The 680 has a low frequency response you have to hear to believe, with better imaging and more crisp highs. Together with it's more flexible metering and record level adjusts, it gives more 'cassette recorder' then the 670.The lack of playback azimuth may seems like an important point, but the level of performance these machines deliver without pb azimuth is amazing. Great stuff. Bala ________________________________ From: Gerhard Wartha To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wed, March 16, 2011 3:33:29 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nack for the buck? very good to buy by not spending a lot of money are  the Decks 660,670, 680, or ZX-7 If you want to listen to old cassettes you could  buy a 582 because this model  allows a very fast manual way to set the play back azimuth to  a wrong recorded cassette. the are all sounding great, or lets say great like analog recordings on LP, all Nakamichi Decks do so, if the are in good shape. regards from europe Am 15.03.2011 um 18:25 schrieb Lauren Horn: > @Mark, you raise a good point of which I didn't think.  I have an > active Facebook page because I'm not worried about potential employers > (though I might someday regret that); Anchorage, and in particular the > local IT community, is so small that I've little expectation that they > don't know or can't find out almost anything they want. > > But that's me.  Facebook has a different "vibe" than does mailing > list, as well as a different etiquette.  It very likely would feel > less focused on the subject at hand. > > Speaking of which, I should mention that I am *still* waiting on my > LX-3 to come out of the shop after three months.  The tech did a > wonderful job on my monster Marantz 2385, and I know he has a long Nak > history, having been one of two Nak techs in town. This will be my > first Nak after an otherwise misspent youth longing for one, and I > can't wait. > > But now I wonder whether I should already be looking for an LX-5 or > other 3-head Nak to make the recordings I hope to make, and to hear > the 3-head sound about which I keep hearing. > > Has anyone hear an opinion about which 3-head decks tend to offer the > best bang for the buck on the used market?  Is there a particular > model that tends to be under-appreciated and underpriced despite being > sonically excellent?  A tall order, I know, but one can hope.  : ) > > --Lauren > > On Mar 15, 2011, at 8:16 AM, Mark Exstedt wrote: > >> Very interesting point Lauren and I agree with your comments. >> Many of my friends refuse to have a Facebook page or go on it. >> Others who have one post the absolute minimum information about them. >> Don't 65% of employers check Facebook to gather information and interest on a >>person before hiring them? >> My final post on this subject. If folks want a Naktalk Facebook page, fine. If >>not, fine. >> >>> From: laurenh at gmail.com >>> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 22:46:57 -0800 >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Facebook page? >>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>> >>> I am not opposed to it per se, but I fear it might drive off some >>> irreplaceable community members - and you are *all* irreplaceable, to >>> my mind! >>> >>> --Lauren >>> >>> On Mar 14, 2011, at 10:20 PM, Mark Exstedt wrote: >>> >>>> That sounds like a good idea. >>>> I think it would make Naktalk more interesting, perhaps to another level. >>>> I joined Facebook some two+ years ago. Folks post cats and dogs, talk about >>>>cats and dogs, and you get these astrology messages and birthday notices. >>>>Therefore I go on it VERY seldom. The biggest benefit was reuniting with old >>>>1970's high school buddies and babes. >>>> Meow >>>> Bow Wow >>>> Are you a Leo? >>>> Folks need to get a life! >>>> The life owning a Nakamichi cassette deck! >>>> >>>> >>>>> From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu >>>>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 12:47:09 -0600 >>>>> Subject: [naktalk] A Facebook page? >>>>> >>>>> Has anyone thought about putting up a Facebook page for naktalk? >>>>> >>>>> Just wanted to know what your thoughts are about it. >>>>> >>>>> Vic >>>>> >>>>> Victor M. Gabrenas >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Wed Mar 16 15:50:14 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 07:50:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Completely off topic part for Fisher Turntable In-Reply-To: <000c01cbe350$64445600$2ccd0200$@ca> References: <000c01cbe350$64445600$2ccd0200$@ca> Message-ID: <260675.24339.qm@web130120.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > ... either the transistor is not as sensitive as it was (is this > possible) or the LED is not as bright as it was... Or the LED drive is too low. -- Rob ________________________________ From: Ken Mashlan To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, March 15, 2011 4:34:31 PM Subject: [naktalk] Completely off topic part for Fisher Turntable Hi all... I know this isn't about a Nak, but my 1000zxl is on the bench next to the turntable, so it almost counts! Looking for a part for this Fisher Turntable - photo transistor and potentially LED. The service manual lists it as a SPS-102 and the LED SPL-114A. Looking on the net, they all seem to be discontinued, but I assume there is a substitute. What is happening is the transistor is working if I shine a bright light onto it, but when the LED is reflected on to it, so either the transistor is not as sensitive as it was (is this possible) or the LED is not as bright as it was... Any thoughts on substitutes? I am in NZ, but can organise shipping from the USA. Thanks... Ken -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjkent at comcast.net Wed Mar 16 16:02:08 2011 From: rjkent at comcast.net (R Kent) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 08:02:08 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Hum In-Reply-To: <201103161219.p2GCI33B013663@zxe.naks.com> References: <201103161219.p2GCI33B013663@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <002101cbe3eb$283df580$78b9e080$@net> Yuri, Try isolating your Dragon physically from your other gear by 12" or so and see if the AC hum goes away. The Dragon is known to be particularly susceptible to AC hum. I had a similar problem a few years ago and was able to solve it by re-arranging my stack of gear to separate the Dragon further from power supply components in my other components. Robert Kent From: Yuri Regelman Subject: [naktalk] humming Dragon To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello Nak Gurus, I'm trying to troubleshoot a problem with my Dragon, and I'm hoping to glimpse some insights from you. The issue is that it is producing very slight AC noise in playback mode. The problem is only noticeable while playing silent portions of tape at high volumes. None of my other decks CR-7, RX-505 and ZX-7 exhibit any of AC type noise. So, while I am definitely nit-picking, and the issue is unnoticeable in normal use, it seems like it should not be there at all in a deck of this caliber. I've looked at the power supply rails on the amp board with a scope and don't see any AC ripple. The grounding wires seem to be properly attached, playback head wiring seems properly routed... nothing too obvious. I did stock all the large caps and I'm planning to replace them soon. But before I blindly charge ahead changing electrolytic caps hoping the issue would go away, I'd like to try to find the root cause. So my question is: do Dragons have some usual trouble spots that may result in AC hum being injected into the playback, and what are good ways to troubleshoot something like that? Any input is highly appreciated. Cheers, Yuri From luis at peromarta.org Wed Mar 16 16:38:15 2011 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 16:38:15 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] A Facebook page? In-Reply-To: References: <000601cbe278$399378b0$acba6a10$@math.utah.edu> <6605121593265044954@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Hi Fergus! Tomorrow is St. Patrick's day. Any hint for a pint o' Stout ? Slán, LP. El 16/03/2011, a las 10:50, Fergus Cullen escribió: > Like Larry I don't post often but like to read everyone's posts. I was on Facebook but u left and won't be going back. If a Facebook profile is created I hope naktalk will continue in parallel. > Fergus > > On 16 Mar 2011 09:21, "Larry Casey" wrote: > > I also primarily lurk and do my yakking on audioasylum. > > > > I value the site and it has been very helpful as I came across Willy Hermann > > and he did a nice job spiffing up my nak hi-com noise reduction unit and I > > have him in the rolodex if my ZX7 ever hiccups on me. > > > > I am not a facebook user and am not going to sign up if Nak talk moves > > over. Because I do not post on Naktalk no big deal but I do read most of > > the comments with the current format. > > > > Cheers, Larry Casey > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From laurenh at gmail.com Wed Mar 16 17:11:07 2011 From: laurenh at gmail.com (Lauren Horn) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 08:11:07 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] A Facebook page? In-Reply-To: <133550.89096.qm@web113320.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <133550.89096.qm@web113320.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <-713043708189110767@unknownmsgid> Thanks, Russ, and to all others who have replied, some of whose messages I accidentally deleted before I could acknowledge them : /. I am very much looking forward to the liberation of my LX-3, but as I keep telling Carl, the tech, I'd rather have it done right than in a hurry. I went looking for a 680ZX, just to price them, and the first one I found was on eBay. The asking price was significantly higher that those of the other 680s that I found, but the description on this one said that it had been serviced "by the legendary Willy Herman." :) --Lauren On Mar 16, 2011, at 2:00 AM, Russ Seals wrote: I to am not really up for the facebook , not to say that maybe later on that I might have a account but as of now I'm kinda a private person not wanting my face or for that matter anything else on there. Aah Lauren the LX-5 is a great deck I got one of the bay and after checking it out for a time I sent it of to Tom and had him go over it and it is a great deck I really like the classic transport a lot. I started of back in the early 80s with a BX-1 bought it brand new and still have it and it works great after a idler tire. then in I think in 2006 after i put the tire on the BX-1 and pulled out the old tapes and gave them a listen and thinking this really sounds good started looking on ebay for a one up on the bx-1 and came across a BX-300 and then well yea you get what I'm saying just can't have to many nak's and for the LX-5 it is a really good deck and you would not be disappointed with it and for that matter your LX-3 will probably sound great when you get it back good luck . sorry for the long post Dam beer Russ --- On *Tue, 3/15/11, Lauren Horn * wrote: From: Lauren Horn Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Facebook page? To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, March 15, 2011, 12:25 PM @Mark, you raise a good point of which I didn't think. I have an active Facebook page because I'm not worried about potential employers (though I might someday regret that); Anchorage, and in particular the local IT community, is so small that I've little expectation that they don't know or can't find out almost anything they want. But that's me. Facebook has a different "vibe" than does mailing list, as well as a different etiquette. It very likely would feel less focused on the subject at hand. Speaking of which, I should mention that I am *still* waiting on my LX-3 to come out of the shop after three months. The tech did a wonderful job on my monster Marantz 2385, and I know he has a long Nak history, having been one of two Nak techs in town. This will be my first Nak after an otherwise misspent youth longing for one, and I can't wait. But now I wonder whether I should already be looking for an LX-5 or other 3-head Nak to make the recordings I hope to make, and to hear the 3-head sound about which I keep hearing. Has anyone hear an opinion about which 3-head decks tend to offer the best bang for the buck on the used market? Is there a particular model that tends to be under-appreciated and underpriced despite being sonically excellent? A tall order, I know, but one can hope. : ) --Lauren ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Pls excuse typos El 16/03/2011, a las 15:50, Ron escribió: > > ... either the transistor is not as sensitive as it was (is this > > possible) or the LED is not as bright as it was... > > Or the LED drive is too low. > > -- Rob > > > From: Ken Mashlan > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Tue, March 15, 2011 4:34:31 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Completely off topic part for Fisher Turntable > > Hi all... > > > > I know this isn't about a Nak, but my 1000zxl is on the bench next to the > turntable, so it almost counts! > > > > Looking for a part for this Fisher Turntable - photo transistor and > potentially LED. The service manual lists it as a SPS-102 and the LED > SPL-114A. > > > > Looking on the net, they all seem to be discontinued, but I assume there is > a substitute. What is happening is the transistor is working if I shine a > bright light onto it, but when the LED is reflected on to it, so either the > transistor is not as sensitive as it was (is this possible) or the LED is > not as bright as it was... > > > > Any thoughts on substitutes? I am in NZ, but can organise shipping from the > USA. > > > > Thanks... > > > > Ken > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Wed Mar 16 19:06:55 2011 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 11:06:55 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Hum In-Reply-To: <002101cbe3eb$283df580$78b9e080$@net> References: <201103161219.p2GCI33B013663@zxe.naks.com> <002101cbe3eb$283df580$78b9e080$@net> Message-ID: Tighten all pc-to-chassis grounds. Check all the output jacks for weak or open connections on the ground side. Check all voltage regulators with a voltmeter and an oscilloscope. Check power supply filter capacitors to see if one or more of them is beginning to open up -- very common. Verify that the shielding on the signal cables from the head assembly is intact. Do not use a regular ohmmeter for this check. Fred Fred Longworth MBA, CHMM Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F San Diego, CA 92116 (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 Fax: (619) 282-7872 classicaudiorepair at gmail.com stereo1 at cox.net www.repairaudio.com On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 8:02 AM, R Kent wrote: > Yuri, > Try isolating your Dragon physically from your other gear by 12" or so and > see if the AC hum goes away. The Dragon is known to be particularly > susceptible to AC hum. I had a similar problem a few years ago and was > able > to solve it by re-arranging my stack of gear to separate the Dragon further > from power supply components in my other components. > Robert Kent > > > From: Yuri Regelman > Subject: [naktalk] humming Dragon > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hello Nak Gurus, > I'm trying to troubleshoot a problem with my Dragon, and I'm hoping to > glimpse some insights from you. > The issue is that it is producing very slight AC noise in playback mode. > The problem is only noticeable > while playing silent portions of tape at high volumes. None of my other > decks CR-7, RX-505 and ZX-7 exhibit any of AC type noise. > So, while I am definitely nit-picking, and the issue is unnoticeable in > normal use, it seems like it should not be there at all in a deck of this > caliber. > I've looked at the power supply rails on the amp board with a scope and > don't see any AC ripple. 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URL: From shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz Wed Mar 16 23:27:24 2011 From: shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz (shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 11:27:24 +1300 (NZDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nack for the buck? In-Reply-To: <201103161216.p2GC9d8T013642@zxe.naks.com> References: <201103161216.p2GC9d8T013642@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <9a4836ba4234b5df0783e48dccc28bc2.squirrel@my.actrix.co.nz> Unfortunately, I think that the superb 670ZX's, 680ZX's, and ZX-7's especially are still not bargain machines, nor is the LX-5 for that matter... which is what the OP was looking for? These still routinely go for good dosh on Ebay and the like.. which runs against the Nak for a buck desire :o). Best bang for the buck is still the 582 IMO, and can still be obtained for reasonable money. Failing that, look for a 482, or better still a 482Z. Both should be a lot cheaper than anything else mentioned as a means of entry into the world of Nak three headers. Keep your LX-3 for playback of all your older tapes!. Martin. From laurenh at gmail.com Thu Mar 17 01:56:39 2011 From: laurenh at gmail.com (Lauren Horn) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 16:56:39 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nack for the buck? In-Reply-To: <9a4836ba4234b5df0783e48dccc28bc2.squirrel@my.actrix.co.nz> References: <201103161216.p2GC9d8T013642@zxe.naks.com> <9a4836ba4234b5df0783e48dccc28bc2.squirrel@my.actrix.co.nz> Message-ID: <-5363010097610932242@unknownmsgid> I was looking for bang-for-the-buck, true. I saw what appeared to be a 680zx in decent shape go for $40 on eBay, so I figure I can wait and look for bargains. I'm certainly going to keep an eye out for the 582, because it's closest to the Nak style I was "brought up on," albeit the ones I always wanted had analog, peak-reading VU meters. But I won't be too picky as long as it's a real Nak with a good head and transport. --Lauren On Mar 16, 2011, at 2:59 PM, shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz wrote: > Unfortunately, I think that the superb 670ZX's, 680ZX's, and ZX-7's > especially are still not bargain machines, nor is the LX-5 for that > matter... which is what the OP was looking for? These still routinely go > for good dosh on Ebay and the like.. which runs against the Nak for a buck > desire :o). > > Best bang for the buck is still the 582 IMO, and can still be obtained for > reasonable money. Failing that, look for a 482, or better still a 482Z. > Both should be a lot cheaper than anything else mentioned as a means of > entry into the world of Nak three headers. > Keep your LX-3 for playback of all your older tapes!. > > Martin. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 17 04:36:26 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 20:36:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nack for the buck? In-Reply-To: <-5363010097610932242@unknownmsgid> References: <201103161216.p2GC9d8T013642@zxe.naks.com> <9a4836ba4234b5df0783e48dccc28bc2.squirrel@my.actrix.co.nz> <-5363010097610932242@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <127646.39063.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> A 680ZX for 40 in decent shape? Grab it because they usually don't come better! Lower end decks came come in a little cheaper but not by much. The 680ZX is a good machine and has a performance that's better then the 582 by a few levels. Cheers! Bala ________________________________ From: Lauren Horn To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thu, March 17, 2011 8:56:39 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nack for the buck? I was looking for bang-for-the-buck, true. I saw what appeared to be a 680zx in decent shape go for $40 on eBay, so I figure I can wait and look for bargains. I'm certainly going to keep an eye out for the 582, because it's closest to the Nak style I was "brought up on," albeit the ones I always wanted had analog, peak-reading VU meters. But I won't be too picky as long as it's a real Nak with a good head and transport. --Lauren On Mar 16, 2011, at 2:59 PM, shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz wrote: > Unfortunately, I think that the superb 670ZX's, 680ZX's, and ZX-7's > especially are still not bargain machines, nor is the LX-5 for that > matter... which is what the OP was looking for? These still routinely go > for good dosh on Ebay and the like.. which runs against the Nak for a buck > desire :o). > > Best bang for the buck is still the 582 IMO, and can still be obtained for > reasonable money. 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The > 680ZX is a good machine and has a performance that's better then the 582 by > a few levels. > > Cheers! > Bala > > ________________________________ > From: Lauren Horn > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Thu, March 17, 2011 8:56:39 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nack for the buck? > > I was looking for bang-for-the-buck, true.  I saw what appeared to be > a 680zx in decent shape go for $40 on eBay, so I figure I can wait and > look for bargains.  I'm certainly going to keep an eye out for the > 582, because it's closest to the Nak style I was "brought up on," > albeit the ones I always wanted had analog, peak-reading VU meters. > But I won't be too picky as long as it's a real Nak with a good head > and transport. > > --Lauren > > On Mar 16, 2011, at 2:59 PM, shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz wrote: > >> Unfortunately, I think that the superb 670ZX's, 680ZX's, and ZX-7's >> especially are still not bargain machines, nor is the LX-5 for that >> matter... which is what the OP was looking for? These still routinely go >> for good dosh on Ebay and the like.. which runs against the Nak for a buck >> desire  :o). >> >> Best bang for the buck is still the 582 IMO, and can still be obtained for >> reasonable money. Failing that, look for a 482, or better still a 482Z. >> Both should be a lot cheaper than anything else mentioned as a means of >> entry into the world of Nak three headers. >> Keep your LX-3 for playback of all your older tapes!. >> >> Martin. >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From joyell.solie at sasktel.net Wed Mar 16 14:54:55 2011 From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 07:54:55 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] humming Dragon References: Message-ID: <005301cbe3e1$bb6dc0b0$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Yuri, as far as I know, you should always be able to see some ripple on your scope if you have it adjusted properly. There is always some ripple/noise present on the rails, it's just a matter of how much is acceptable. You might try setting your scope on one of your other decks till you can see the ripple nicely, to get a reference, then go back to the dragon. Good luck! Rainer S. ----- Original Message ----- From: Yuri Regelman To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 7:04 PM Subject: [naktalk] humming Dragon Hello Nak Gurus, I'm trying to troubleshoot a problem with my Dragon, and I'm hoping to glimpse some insights from you. The issue is that it is producing very slight AC noise in playback mode. The problem is only noticeable while playing silent portions of tape at high volumes. None of my other decks CR-7, RX-505 and ZX-7 exhibit any of AC type noise. So, while I am definitely nit-picking, and the issue is unnoticeable in normal use, it seems like it should not be there at all in a deck of this caliber. I've looked at the power supply rails on the amp board with a scope and don't see any AC ripple. The grounding wires seem to be properly attached, playback head wiring seems properly routed... nothing too obvious. I did stock all the large caps and I'm planning to replace them soon. But before I blindly charge ahead changing electrolytic caps hoping the issue would go away, I'd like to try to find the root cause. So my question is: do Dragons have some usual trouble spots that may result in AC hum being injected into the playback, and what are good ways to troubleshoot something like that? Any input is highly appreciated. Cheers, Yuri ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. 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If a Facebook >profile is created I hope naktalk will continue in parallel. >Fergus >On 16 Mar 2011 09:21, "Larry Casey" ><icsteelhead at gmail.com> wrote: > > I also primarily lurk and do my yakking on audioasylum. > > > > I value the site and it has been very helpful as I came across > Willy Hermann > > and he did a nice job spiffing up my nak hi-com noise reduction unit and I > > have him in the rolodex if my ZX7 ever hiccups on me. > > > > I am not a facebook user and am not going to sign up if Nak talk moves > > over. 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URL: From yregelman at gmail.com Wed Mar 16 18:06:05 2011 From: yregelman at gmail.com (Yuri Regelman) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 10:06:05 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Dragon Hum In-Reply-To: <002101cbe3eb$283df580$78b9e080$@net> References: <201103161219.p2GCI33B013663@zxe.naks.com> <002101cbe3eb$283df580$78b9e080$@net> Message-ID: Hi Robert, That is a good idea. I did try that, but no luck. I had it all the way out of the cabinet, pretty far away from other components while I was trying to troubleshoot it, but the noise was still there. Yuri On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 8:02 AM, R Kent wrote: > Yuri, > Try isolating your Dragon physically from your other gear by 12" or so and > see if the AC hum goes away. The Dragon is known to be particularly > susceptible to AC hum. I had a similar problem a few years ago and was > able > to solve it by re-arranging my stack of gear to separate the Dragon further > from power supply components in my other components. > Robert Kent > > > From: Yuri Regelman > Subject: [naktalk] humming Dragon > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hello Nak Gurus, > I'm trying to troubleshoot a problem with my Dragon, and I'm hoping to > glimpse some insights from you. > The issue is that it is producing very slight AC noise in playback mode. > The problem is only noticeable > while playing silent portions of tape at high volumes. None of my other > decks CR-7, RX-505 and ZX-7 exhibit any of AC type noise. > So, while I am definitely nit-picking, and the issue is unnoticeable in > normal use, it seems like it should not be there at all in a deck of this > caliber. > I've looked at the power supply rails on the amp board with a scope and > don't see any AC ripple. The grounding wires seem to be properly attached, > playback head wiring seems properly routed... nothing too obvious. > > I did stock all the large caps and I'm planning to replace them soon. But > before I blindly charge ahead changing electrolytic caps hoping the issue > would go away, > I'd like to try to find the root cause. > So my question is: do Dragons have some usual trouble spots that may > result > in AC hum being injected into the playback, and what are good ways to > troubleshoot something like that? > > Any input is highly appreciated. > Cheers, > Yuri > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Do not use a regular ohmmeter for this check. > > Fred > > Fred Longworth MBA, CHMM > Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 > 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F > San Diego, CA 92116 > (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 > Fax: (619) 282-7872 > classicaudiorepair at gmail.com > stereo1 at cox.net > www.repairaudio.com > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 8:02 AM, R Kent wrote: > >> Yuri, >> Try isolating your Dragon physically from your other gear by 12" or so and >> see if the AC hum goes away. The Dragon is known to be particularly >> susceptible to AC hum. I had a similar problem a few years ago and was >> able >> to solve it by re-arranging my stack of gear to separate the Dragon >> further >> from power supply components in my other components. >> Robert Kent >> >> >> From: Yuri Regelman >> Subject: [naktalk] humming Dragon >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Hello Nak Gurus, >> I'm trying to troubleshoot a problem with my Dragon, and I'm hoping to >> glimpse some insights from you. >> The issue is that it is producing very slight AC noise in playback mode. >> The problem is only noticeable >> while playing silent portions of tape at high volumes. None of my other >> decks CR-7, RX-505 and ZX-7 exhibit any of AC type noise. >> So, while I am definitely nit-picking, and the issue is unnoticeable in >> normal use, it seems like it should not be there at all in a deck of this >> caliber. >> I've looked at the power supply rails on the amp board with a scope and >> don't see any AC ripple. The grounding wires seem to be properly attached, >> playback head wiring seems properly routed... nothing too obvious. >> >> I did stock all the large caps and I'm planning to replace them soon. 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The main difference between the 660/670 and the 680 is the dual > speed and 1000ZXL Level Meters of the later. Like what you said whether > there is any difference in sonic between the three is up to the listeners. > In my opinion they are great playback decks and solidly built. > > > Happy Listening, > Mike > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Bala Ganesh Chandra > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Tue, March 15, 2011 10:34:02 PM > > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Nack for the buck? > > Hi Mike, > > The 680ZX is spec'ed to 10Hz according to an independent review back in > 1982. And it has independent adjustment for the three different tape types. > These are in small pots underneath the VFD meter display. While they both > have similar specs for the high frequency, the 680ZX has an edge in imaging, > staging and sounds crisp. The 670 has a more easy going presentation. This > could boil down to the rest of the system in which I did the evaluation but > a few Naktalkers mailed me offline to confirm this observation. Again, it > just could be our ears. > > Cheers! > Bala > > ------------------------------ > *From:* LENA WONG > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Wed, March 16, 2011 7:01:17 AM > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Nack for the buck? > > Bala: > Both 670 and 680 have the same record level adjust. 680 has a > better meter system though. They both have the same low frequency response > although 680 have the same high frequency response for all three types of > tapes while the 670 only has the same high frequency response as the 680 > with Metal Tape. > > Both are great playback decks for the money though. > > > Mike > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Bala Ganesh Chandra > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Tue, March 15, 2011 5:37:32 PM > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Nack for the buck? > > The 670 and 680 bring incredible amounts of performance for their price > today. They both differ in terms of their sonic character with the 670 being > a little warmer and a more easy going low frequency response. The 680 has a > low frequency response you have to hear to believe, with better imaging and > more crisp highs. Together with it's more flexible metering and record level > adjusts, it gives more 'cassette recorder' then the 670.The lack of playback > azimuth may seems like an important point, but the level of performance > these machines deliver without pb azimuth is amazing. > > Great stuff. > > Bala > ------------------------------ > *From:* Gerhard Wartha > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Wed, March 16, 2011 3:33:29 AM > *Subject:* [naktalk] Nack for the buck? > > very good to buy by not spending a lot of money are the Decks 660,670, > 680, or ZX-7 > > If you want to listen to old cassettes you could buy a 582 because this > model allows a very fast manual > way to set the play back azimuth to a wrong recorded cassette. > > the are all sounding great, or lets say great like analog recordings on LP, > all Nakamichi Decks do so, if the are in good shape. > > > > regards from europe > > > Am 15.03.2011 um 18:25 schrieb Lauren Horn: > > > @Mark, you raise a good point of which I didn't think. I have an > > active Facebook page because I'm not worried about potential employers > > (though I might someday regret that); Anchorage, and in particular the > > local IT community, is so small that I've little expectation that they > > don't know or can't find out almost anything they want. > > > > But that's me. Facebook has a different "vibe" than does mailing > > list, as well as a different etiquette. It very likely would feel > > less focused on the subject at hand. > > > > Speaking of which, I should mention that I am *still* waiting on my > > LX-3 to come out of the shop after three months. The tech did a > > wonderful job on my monster Marantz 2385, and I know he has a long Nak > > history, having been one of two Nak techs in town. This will be my > > first Nak after an otherwise misspent youth longing for one, and I > > can't wait. > > > > But now I wonder whether I should already be looking for an LX-5 or > > other 3-head Nak to make the recordings I hope to make, and to hear > > the 3-head sound about which I keep hearing. > > > > Has anyone hear an opinion about which 3-head decks tend to offer the > > best bang for the buck on the used market? Is there a particular > > model that tends to be under-appreciated and underpriced despite being > > sonically excellent? A tall order, I know, but one can hope. : ) > > > > --Lauren > > > > On Mar 15, 2011, at 8:16 AM, Mark Exstedt wrote: > > > >> Very interesting point Lauren and I agree with your comments. > >> Many of my friends refuse to have a Facebook page or go on it. > >> Others who have one post the absolute minimum information about them. > >> Don't 65% of employers check Facebook to gather information and interest > on a person before hiring them? > >> My final post on this subject. If folks want a Naktalk Facebook page, > fine. If not, fine. > >> > >>> From: laurenh at gmail.com > >>> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 22:46:57 -0800 > >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Facebook page? > >>> To: naktalk at naks.com > >>> > >>> I am not opposed to it per se, but I fear it might drive off some > >>> irreplaceable community members - and you are *all* irreplaceable, to > >>> my mind! > >>> > >>> --Lauren > >>> > >>> On Mar 14, 2011, at 10:20 PM, Mark Exstedt > wrote: > >>> > >>>> That sounds like a good idea. > >>>> I think it would make Naktalk more interesting, perhaps to another > level. > >>>> I joined Facebook some two+ years ago. Folks post cats and dogs, talk > about cats and dogs, and you get these astrology messages and birthday > notices. Therefore I go on it VERY seldom. The biggest benefit was reuniting > with old 1970's high school buddies and babes. > >>>> Meow > >>>> Bow Wow > >>>> Are you a Leo? > >>>> Folks need to get a life! > >>>> The life owning a Nakamichi cassette deck! > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu > >>>>> To: naktalk at naks.com > >>>>> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 12:47:09 -0600 > >>>>> Subject: [naktalk] A Facebook page? > >>>>> > >>>>> Has anyone thought about putting up a Facebook page for naktalk? > >>>>> > >>>>> Just wanted to know what your thoughts are about it. > >>>>> > >>>>> Vic > >>>>> > >>>>> Victor M. 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URL: From luis at peromarta.org Thu Mar 17 10:31:36 2011 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 10:31:36 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Where to Find PolyStyrene Mica caps In-Reply-To: <1776325151.2309685.1300291212945.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1776325151.2309685.1300291212945.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <79D0DA88-F576-4DD3-B5BB-3BCDB9B10438@peromarta.org> Any good metalized plastic cap should do. Micas do not usually need replacing. Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos El 16/03/2011, a las 17:00, brian.janke at comcast.net escribió: > I am recapping the PB board for my Nak 1000. I itemized values and quantity of the 17 (or so) Polystyrene Mica caps. I want to use 100 volt, 1% variance caps. I checked Mouser, DigiKey, and a few other on-line retailers, but these seem very difficult to find, and expensive. Should I look for Polypropylene or another family of caps? What retailers should I consider please? > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Thu Mar 17 19:47:08 2011 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 12:47:08 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] A Facebook page? Message-ID: <001e01cbe4d3$b81ea6c0$285bf440$@math.utah.edu> Well...It looks as if I asked the wrong question about Facebook. The idea was to attract more interest in world of cassettes. Not to move naktalk. Vic From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of goodguy Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 8:08 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: FW: [naktalk] A Facebook page? I would like to see Naktalk to stay right here. I'm on FB but I don't think it's the proper forum to discuss our Naks. At 05:50 AM 3/16/2011, you wrote: Like Larry I don't post often but like to read everyone's posts. I was on Facebook but u left and won't be going back. If a Facebook profile is created I hope naktalk will continue in parallel. Fergus On 16 Mar 2011 09:21, "Larry Casey" wrote: > I also primarily lurk and do my yakking on audioasylum. > > I value the site and it has been very helpful as I came across Willy Hermann > and he did a nice job spiffing up my nak hi-com noise reduction unit and I > have him in the rolodex if my ZX7 ever hiccups on me. > > I am not a facebook user and am not going to sign up if Nak talk moves > over. Because I do not post on Naktalk no big deal but I do read most of > the comments with the current format. > > Cheers, Larry Casey ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland When momentum meets resistance, push harder. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fergus.cullen at gmail.com Thu Mar 17 13:48:35 2011 From: fergus.cullen at gmail.com (Fergus Cullen) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 12:48:35 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] A Facebook page? In-Reply-To: References: <000601cbe278$399378b0$acba6a10$@math.utah.edu> <6605121593265044954@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Hi Luis I'll have one or two I suppose. Sure it would be rude not too :) Happy St Patrick's day! Fergus On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Luis Peromarta Regert wrote: > Hi Fergus! > > Tomorrow is St. Patrick's day. Any hint for a pint o' Stout ? > > Slán, > > LP. > > > El 16/03/2011, a las 10:50, Fergus Cullen escribió: > > Like Larry I don't post often but like to read everyone's posts. I was on > Facebook but u left and won't be going back. If a Facebook profile is > created I hope naktalk will continue in parallel. > Fergus > On 16 Mar 2011 09:21, "Larry Casey" wrote: > > I also primarily lurk and do my yakking on audioasylum. > > > > I value the site and it has been very helpful as I came across Willy > Hermann > > and he did a nice job spiffing up my nak hi-com noise reduction unit and > I > > have him in the rolodex if my ZX7 ever hiccups on me. > > > > I am not a facebook user and am not going to sign up if Nak talk moves > > over. 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URL: From brian.janke at comcast.net Thu Mar 17 15:17:54 2011 From: brian.janke at comcast.net (brian.janke at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 14:17:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] Where to Find Polypropylene Film caps In-Reply-To: <79D0DA88-F576-4DD3-B5BB-3BCDB9B10438@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <31385228.2363033.1300371474141.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Luis, You are correct, please excuse me.  The orange caps I itemized are Polypropylene Film rather than Polystyrene .  At Mouser.com I find 2.5% and 5% tolerance rather than 1% :(.  Are there other on-line retailers for 1% tolerance PP caps, or should I just go with the 2.5% & 5% tolerance on my playback board? Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luis Peromarta Regert " < luis @ peromarta .org> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" < naktalk @ naks .com> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 4:31:36 AM Subject: Re: [ naktalk ] Where to Find PolyStyrene Mica caps Any good metalized plastic cap should do. Micas do not usually need replacing.  Sent from iPhone . Pls excuse typos El 16/03/2011, a las 17:00, brian . janke @comcast.net escribió : I am recapping the PB board for my Nak 1000.  I itemized values and quantity of the 17 (or so) Polystyrene Mica caps.  I want to use 100 volt, 1% variance caps.  I checked Mouser, DigiKey , and a few other on-line retailers, but these seem very difficult to find, and expensive.  Should I look for Polypropylene or another family of caps?  What retailers should I consider please? ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki ! http :// www . naks .com/ wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk @ naks .com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http :// www . naks .com/mailman/ listinfo / naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki ! http :// www . naks .com/ wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                          Naktalk @ naks .com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http :// www . naks .com/mailman/ listinfo / naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yregelman at gmail.com Thu Mar 17 19:27:39 2011 From: yregelman at gmail.com (Yuri Regelman) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 11:27:39 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] humming Dragon In-Reply-To: <005301cbe3e1$bb6dc0b0$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> References: <005301cbe3e1$bb6dc0b0$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Message-ID: Hi Rainer, I've done that a little while ago. Putting the scope on the caps by the rectifier showed some ripple, but no more than in other decks. Moving down the chain and looking at it past the voltage regulators looked pretty darn clean. I'll try again and and do some careful A/B comparison, but I'm beginning to suspect that the issue is shielding/grounding related. This is where it becomes black magic to me. Thanks! I'll report back if I find anything interesting. Yuri On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 6:54 AM, Rainer & Joy-Ell wrote: > Yuri, as far as I know, you should always be able to see some ripple on > your scope if you have it adjusted properly. There is always some > ripple/noise present on the rails, it's just a matter of how much is > acceptable. You might try setting your scope on one of your other decks till > you can see the ripple nicely, to get a reference, then go back to the > dragon. > > Good luck! > Rainer S. > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Yuri Regelman > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 15, 2011 7:04 PM > *Subject:* [naktalk] humming Dragon > > Hello Nak Gurus, > I'm trying to troubleshoot a problem with my Dragon, and I'm hoping to > glimpse some insights from you. > The issue is that it is producing very slight AC noise in playback mode. > The problem is only noticeable > while playing silent portions of tape at high volumes. None of my other > decks CR-7, RX-505 and ZX-7 exhibit any of AC type noise. > So, while I am definitely nit-picking, and the issue is unnoticeable in > normal use, it seems like it should not be there at all in a deck of this > caliber. > I've looked at the power supply rails on the amp board with a scope and > don't see any AC ripple. The grounding wires seem to be properly attached, > playback head wiring seems properly routed... nothing too obvious. > > I did stock all the large caps and I'm planning to replace them soon. But > before I blindly charge ahead changing electrolytic caps hoping the issue > would go away, > I'd like to try to find the root cause. > So my question is: do Dragons have some usual trouble spots that may > result in AC hum being injected into the playback, and what are good ways to > troubleshoot something like that? > > Any input is highly appreciated. > Cheers, > Yuri > > > > > > ======= > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 7.0.0.21, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16880) > http://www.pctools.com > ======= > > ------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ======= > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 7.0.0.21, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16880) > http://www.pctools.com/ > ======= > > > > > > > ======= > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 7.0.0.21, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16880) > http://www.pctools.com > ======= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I generally prefer WIMA polypropylene as the Sound quality is excellent -   1% capacitors are used for RIAA equalization purpose on Phono stage requiring tight frequency  charecteristics   I choose left right channel caps  closer in value for better left right channel bandwidth match Kannan     --- On Thu, 3/17/11, brian.janke at comcast.net wrote: From: brian.janke at comcast.net Subject: Re: [naktalk] Where to Find Polypropylene Film caps To: luis at peromarta.org Cc: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, March 17, 2011, 10:17 AM #yiv590899562 p {margin:0;} Luis, You are correct, please excuse me.  The orange caps I itemized are Polypropylene Film rather than Polystyrene.  At Mouser.com I find 2.5% and 5% tolerance rather than 1% :(.  Are there other on-line retailers for 1% tolerance PP caps, or should I just go with the 2.5% & 5% tolerance on my playback board? Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luis Peromarta Regert" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 4:31:36 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Where to Find PolyStyrene Mica caps Any good metalized plastic cap should do. Micas do not usually need replacing.  Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos El 16/03/2011, a las 17:00, brian.janke at comcast.net escribió: I am recapping the PB board for my Nak 1000.  I itemized values and quantity of the 17 (or so) Polystyrene Mica caps.  I want to use 100 volt, 1% variance caps.  I checked Mouser, DigiKey, and a few other on-line retailers, but these seem very difficult to find, and expensive.  Should I look for Polypropylene or another family of caps?  What retailers should I consider please? ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Fri Mar 18 02:17:52 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 15:17:52 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Where to Find Polypropylene Film caps In-Reply-To: <798572.81260.qm@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <31385228.2363033.1300371474141.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <798572.81260.qm@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I obtained my WIMA caps from Mouser. I was able to find every cap I needed except for one, and for that one I used a polyester (only one I could find). Some of the caps were back-ordered and took over 3 months to arrive. With the earthquakes/tsunamis in Japan, if the caps need to be ordered it could be a very, very long wait. For the ones I ordered that were back-ordered, Mouser order a significant stock. The WIMA caps for my 581 and 582 were not available from DigiKey. Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of kannan srinivasaraghavan Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 1:57 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Where to Find Polypropylene Film caps 5% tolerance capacitors are more than adequate for Nakamichi cap repalcement purposes. I generally prefer WIMA polypropylene as the Sound quality is excellent - 1% capacitors are used for RIAA equalization purpose on Phono stage requiring tight frequency charecteristics I choose left right channel caps closer in value for better left right channel bandwidth match Kannan --- On Thu, 3/17/11, brian.janke at comcast.net wrote: From: brian.janke at comcast.net Subject: Re: [naktalk] Where to Find Polypropylene Film caps To: luis at peromarta.org Cc: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, March 17, 2011, 10:17 AM Luis, You are correct, please excuse me. The orange caps I itemized are Polypropylene Film rather than Polystyrene. At Mouser.com I find 2.5% and 5% tolerance rather than 1% :(. Are there other on-line retailers for 1% tolerance PP caps, or should I just go with the 2.5% & 5% tolerance on my playback board? Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luis Peromarta Regert" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 4:31:36 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Where to Find PolyStyrene Mica caps Any good metalized plastic cap should do. Micas do not usually need replacing. Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos El 16/03/2011, a las 17:00, brian.janke at comcast.net escribió: I am recapping the PB board for my Nak 1000. I itemized values and quantity of the 17 (or so) Polystyrene Mica caps. I want to use 100 volt, 1% variance caps. I checked Mouser, DigiKey, and a few other on-line retailers, but these seem very difficult to find, and expensive. Should I look for Polypropylene or another family of caps? 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URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Fri Mar 18 03:20:14 2011 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 19:20:14 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Where to Find Polypropylene Film caps In-Reply-To: References: <31385228.2363033.1300371474141.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <798572.81260.qm@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Very few parts are made in Japan. The cost of labor is too high there. However . . . I make orders to Mouser nearly every week. Excellent inventory. Decent prices. Fast shipping. Low shipping charges. Xlnt customer service. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 6:17 PM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: > I obtained my WIMA caps from Mouser. I was able to find every cap I > needed except for one, and for that one I used a polyester (only one I could > find). Some of the caps were back-ordered and took over 3 months to arrive. > With the earthquakes/tsunamis in Japan, if the caps need to be ordered it > could be a very, very long wait. For the ones I ordered that were > back-ordered, Mouser order a significant stock. The WIMA caps for my 581 and > 582 were not available from DigiKey. > > Aloha, > Cheryl > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *kannan srinivasaraghavan > *Sent:* Thursday, March 17, 2011 1:57 PM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Where to Find Polypropylene Film caps > > 5% tolerance capacitors are more than adequate for Nakamichi cap > repalcement purposes. I generally prefer WIMA polypropylene as the Sound > quality is excellent - > > 1% capacitors are used for RIAA equalization purpose on Phono stage > requiring tight frequency charecteristics > > I choose left right channel caps closer in value for better left right > channel bandwidth match > Kannan > > > > > --- On *Thu, 3/17/11, brian.janke at comcast.net *wrote: > > > From: brian.janke at comcast.net > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Where to Find Polypropylene Film caps > To: luis at peromarta.org > Cc: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Thursday, March 17, 2011, 10:17 AM > > Luis, > You are correct, please excuse me. The orange caps I itemized are > Polypropylene Film rather than Polystyrene. At Mouser.com I find 2.5% and > 5% tolerance rather than 1% :(. Are there other on-line retailers for 1% > tolerance PP caps, or should I just go with the 2.5% & 5% tolerance on my > playback board? > Brian > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Luis Peromarta Regert" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 4:31:36 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Where to Find PolyStyrene Mica caps > > Any good metalized plastic cap should do. Micas do not usually need > replacing. > > Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos > > El 16/03/2011, a las 17:00, brian.janke at comcast.netescribió: > > I am recapping the PB board for my Nak 1000. I itemized values and > quantity of the 17 (or so) Polystyrene Mica caps. I want to use 100 volt, > 1% variance caps. I checked Mouser, DigiKey, and a few other on-line > retailers, but these seem very difficult to find, and expensive. Should I > look for Polypropylene or another family of caps? 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Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 9:32 PM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: > Just curious -- where do they make most of them? > Aloha, > Cheryl > > ------------------------------ > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *Fred Longworth > *Sent:* Thursday, March 17, 2011 4:20 PM > > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Where to Find Polypropylene Film caps > > Very few parts are made in Japan. The cost of labor is too high there. > > However . . . I make orders to Mouser nearly every week. Excellent > inventory. Decent prices. Fast shipping. Low shipping charges. Xlnt customer > service. > > Fred > Classic Audio Repair > www.repairaudio.com > > * * * * * > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From RKunst at C-K.com Thu Mar 17 20:25:39 2011 From: RKunst at C-K.com (Ray Kunst) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 14:25:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A Facebook page? In-Reply-To: <001e01cbe4d3$b81ea6c0$285bf440$@math.utah.edu> Message-ID: Vic, You did not ask the wrong question. Its just that people on here do not really understand Facebook. I am on a MG forum, Bicycle forum, Camera forum, Music forum plus many others. There is absolutely no reason not to have a Nakamichi forum on Facebook. Those who disagree are misinformed. Well…..It looks as if I asked the wrong question about Facebook. The idea was to attract more interest in world of cassettes. Not to move naktalk. Vic From ct.waveform at googlemail.com Fri Mar 18 00:52:59 2011 From: ct.waveform at googlemail.com (Christian Thomas) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 23:52:59 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Where to Find PolyStyrene Mica caps In-Reply-To: <79D0DA88-F576-4DD3-B5BB-3BCDB9B10438@peromarta.org> References: <1776325151.2309685.1300291212945.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <79D0DA88-F576-4DD3-B5BB-3BCDB9B10438@peromarta.org> Message-ID: Can I just make the suggestion that you check exactly what type of caps they are and in which role. It isn't necessarily true to say that upgrading to better quality caps all round will improve the sound. Generally one doesn't use anything other than film caps in the signal path but ceramic and other types can be better suited for power supply bypassing than low esr film caps. Also, sometimes, a particular type of capacitor in an unusual role can be responsible for the distinctive, and good, sound of a product. I suppose this advice boils down to replacing like for like wherever possible - and by all means make reasonable use of advances since the deck was made. Tolerance improvements can only be good, if you can afford them, but they are not always needed in a power supply role. Hope this helps. CT On 17 March 2011 09:31, Luis Peromarta Regert wrote: > Any good metalized plastic cap should do. Micas do not usually need > replacing. > > > Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos > > El 16/03/2011, a las 17:00, brian.janke at comcast.net escribió: > > I am recapping the PB board for my Nak 1000. I itemized values and > quantity of the 17 (or so) Polystyrene Mica caps. I want to use 100 volt, > 1% variance caps. I checked Mouser, DigiKey, and a few other on-line > retailers, but these seem very difficult to find, and expensive. Should I > look for Polypropylene or another family of caps? 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URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Fri Mar 18 16:32:12 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 08:32:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Where to Find Polypropylene Film caps In-Reply-To: <31385228.2363033.1300371474141.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <31385228.2363033.1300371474141.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <162048.56038.qm@web130101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I've bought PP caps (1% and 2%) at both Digikey and Mouser. Be aware that tight tolerance does nothing for you unless it's actually needed. -- Ron El 16/03/2011, a las 17:00, brian.janke at comcast.net escribió: > > I am recapping the PB board for my Nak 1000. I itemized values and quantity of >the 17 (or so) Polystyrene Mica caps. I want to use 100 volt, 1% > > variance caps. I checked Mouser, DigiKey, and a few other on-line retailers, >but these seem very difficult to find, and expensive. 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Not metallized polyproylene. the cups the japanese sell in this shops are with 1 or 2% tolerance. If you use 5% cups you can select them to the same value if the work on left and right cannel. The voltage is much more important to take care off. regards from europe, gerhard >  > > > polypropylene Am 18.03.2011 um 02:17 schrieb Cheryl Kaupp: > I obtained my WIMA caps from Mouser. I was able to find every cap I > needed except for one, and for that one I used a polyester (only > one I could find). Some of the caps were back-ordered and took over > 3 months to arrive. > With the earthquakes/tsunamis in Japan, if the caps need to be > ordered it could be a very, very long wait. For the ones I ordered > that were back-ordered, Mouser order a significant stock. The WIMA > caps for my 581 and 582 were not available from DigiKey. > > Aloha, > Cheryl > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf Of kannan srinivasaraghavan > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 1:57 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Where to Find Polypropylene Film caps > > 5% tolerance capacitors are more than adequate for Nakamichi cap > repalcement purposes. I generally prefer WIMA polypropylene as the > Sound quality is excellent - > > 1% capacitors are used for RIAA equalization purpose on Phono stage > requiring tight frequency charecteristics > > I choose left right channel caps closer in value for better left > right channel bandwidth match > Kannan > > > > > --- On Thu, 3/17/11, brian.janke at comcast.net > wrote: > > From: brian.janke at comcast.net > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Where to Find Polypropylene Film caps > To: luis at peromarta.org > Cc: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Thursday, March 17, 2011, 10:17 AM > > Luis, > You are correct, please excuse me. The orange caps I itemized are > Polypropylene Film rather than Polystyrene. At Mouser.com I find > 2.5% and 5% tolerance rather than 1% :(. Are there other on-line > retailers for 1% tolerance PP caps, or should I just go with the > 2.5% & 5% tolerance on my playback board? > Brian > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Luis Peromarta Regert" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 4:31:36 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Where to Find PolyStyrene Mica caps > > Any good metalized plastic cap should do. Micas do not usually need > replacing. > > Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos > > El 16/03/2011, a las 17:00, brian.janke at comcast.net escribió: > > I am recapping the PB board for my Nak 1000. I itemized values and > quantity of the 17 (or so) Polystyrene Mica caps. I want to use > 100 volt, 1% variance caps. I checked Mouser, DigiKey, and a few > other on-line retailers, but these seem very difficult to find, and > expensive. Should I look for Polypropylene or another family of > caps? 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But there is nothing wrong with stimulating interest to others regarding a passion for analog recording and playback on a Nakamichi. Jim On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Victor Gabrenas wrote: > Well…..It looks as if I asked the wrong question about Facebook. The idea > was to attract more interest in world of cassettes. Not to move naktalk. > > > > Vic > > > > > > > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *goodguy > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 16, 2011 8:08 AM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* Re: FW: [naktalk] A Facebook page? > > > > I would like to see Naktalk to stay right here. I'm on FB but I don't > think it's the proper forum to discuss our Naks. > > At 05:50 AM 3/16/2011, you wrote: > > > Like Larry I don't post often but like to read everyone's posts. I was on > Facebook but u left and won't be going back. If a Facebook profile is > created I hope naktalk will continue in parallel. > Fergus > On 16 Mar 2011 09:21, "Larry Casey" wrote: > > I also primarily lurk and do my yakking on audioasylum. > > > > I value the site and it has been very helpful as I came across Willy > Hermann > > and he did a nice job spiffing up my nak hi-com noise reduction unit and > I > > have him in the rolodex if my ZX7 ever hiccups on me. > > > > I am not a facebook user and am not going to sign up if Nak talk moves > > over. 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Be aware that tight tolerance does nothing for you unless it's actually needed. -- Ron El 16/03/2011, a las 17:00, brian . janke @comcast.net escribió : > > I am recapping the PB board for my Nak 1000.  I itemized values and quantity of the 17 (or so) Polystyrene Mica caps.  I want to use 100 volt, 1% > variance caps.  I checked Mouser, DigiKey , and a few other on-line retailers, but these seem very difficult to find, and expensive.  Should I look for > Polypropylene or another family of caps?  What retailers should I consider please? ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki ! http :// www . naks .com/ wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                          Naktalk @ naks .com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http :// www . naks .com/mailman/ listinfo / naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Vic, You did not ask the wrong question. Its just that people on here do not really understand Facebook. I am on a MG forum, Bicycle forum, Camera forum, Music forum plus many others. There is absolutely no reason not to have a Nakamichi forum on Facebook. Those who disagree are misinformed. Well…..It looks as if I asked the wrong question about Facebook. The idea was to attract more interest in world of cassettes. Not to move naktalk. Vic -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rchrdpwll at gmail.com Fri Mar 18 20:06:57 2011 From: rchrdpwll at gmail.com (Richard Powell) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 08:06:57 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] A Facebook page? In-Reply-To: References: <001e01cbe4d3$b81ea6c0$285bf440$@math.utah.edu> Message-ID: "Those who disagree are misinformed." wow. it seems facebook makes the world simply black-and-white!? I've never before read such a polar view on Naktalk; is this a watershed moment? all the more reason to concentrate communications on one channel, IMHO. I like naktalk not only for its diverse content and patient community-spirited approach, but for the shades of grey, too. And that my comments and content on Naktalk do not have their copyright appropriated by a large corporation. kind regards Richard On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 8:25 AM, Ray Kunst wrote: > Vic, > You did not ask the wrong question. > Its just that people on here do not really understand Facebook. > I am on a MG forum, Bicycle forum, Camera forum, Music forum plus many > others. > There is absolutely no reason not to have a Nakamichi forum on Facebook. > Those who disagree are misinformed. > > > > Well…..It looks as if I asked the wrong question about Facebook. The idea > was to attract more interest in world of cassettes. Not to move naktalk. > > Vic > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From perry.nak at comcast.net Sat Mar 19 13:35:10 2011 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 12:35:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] 7414 CdS LDR on CR-7 and others? In-Reply-To: <454243705.3168163.1300536714513.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <866049956.3168954.1300538110533.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Hi all, While working on a CR-7, I was adjusting the Level Controller Gain Adjustment (Step 9 in the SM), and found both channels WAY off from the Source and each other. The source signal yielded 310mV (Pins 4 & 5) at 0dB (.775V), yet the output levels were in the 190-210mV range (Pins 2 & 1). One channel easily adjusted to match, yet the other topped out at about 285mV. Investigation yielded that the culprit is one of the pairs of 7414 CdS LDRs, part CDS102. This is an LED driven, pair of  Cadmium Sulphide Light Dependent Resistors (thanks, John!) Swapping them moved the issue to the other channel. In earlier Naks, a 12V 7214 is used, of which I've repaired in the past, if they had a burnt out LED.  T he 7414 appears to be a lower voltage version that uses the Level output of the first op-amp,  to drive the LED for bias back to the op amp on one resistor and optically isolated gain control to the second op-amp  on the second resistor. The feedback resistance of one resistor is what's off , so as such, is non repairable. This step in the manual allows you to match both chanels to each other, as any pair of LDRs is bound to be different from each other.  Most Naks with a fader use a single LDR, with one resistor used per cha nnel. Does anyone have a spare, or  parts CR-X deck that they can sacrifice the 7414 from? Naturally, I'd pay for it, (or trade spare parts) and shipping. I'd assume the CR series all use the 7414. It's easy to identify. Looks like a black jelly bean with flat ends with 2 leads on one flat  side and 4 leads on the other. My LDR works, it's just th at th e relative resistance of one channel to the other is different enough that I can't get sufficient gain.  Normally, when each resistor is used per channel, this difference is moot, as each channel is tweaked independently, so this LDR can likely be used in a circuit where each channel has independent adjustments. On t he CR-7 (and I assume the CR- 5, not sure on the CR-3,4) this is not the case.  For now, I matched both Levels to the lower 285mV value, and while it works,  it means that the auto cal circuit will always adjust level off by 25mV at 0dB.  I know this is very tech specific, but an y help woul d be greatly appreciated.  Thanks, Perry. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From perry.nak at comcast.net Sat Mar 19 13:39:04 2011 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 12:39:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] 7414 CdS LDR on CR-7 and others? Message-ID: <437920535.3169177.1300538344148.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> I could also trade a sealed MA-R90 or a sealed ZX-C90 for the 7414. I need one that bad! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From perry.nak at comcast.net Sat Mar 19 13:44:02 2011 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 12:44:02 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] Resent 7414 message easier to read. In-Reply-To: <1849614987.3169279.1300538503555.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1049082266.3169381.1300538642933.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> I keep forgetting Comcasts email gives one LONG sentence.  How irritating! Hi all, While working on a CR-7, I was adjusting the Level Controller Gain Adjustment (Step 9 in the SM), and found both channels WAY off from the Source and each other. The source signal yielded 310mV (Pins 4 & 5) at 0dB (.775V), yet the output levels were in the 190-210mV range (Pins 2 & 1). One channel easily adjusted  to match, yet the other topped out at about 285mV. Investigation yielded that the culprit is one of the pairs of 7414 CdS LDRs, part CDS102. This is an LED driven, pair of Cadmium Sulphide Light Dependent  Resistors (thanks, John!) Swapping them moved the issue to the other channel. In earlier Naks, a 12V 7214  is used, of which I've repaired in the past, if they had a burnt out LED.  The 7414 appears to be a lower voltage version that uses the Level output of the first op-amp, to drive the LED for bias back to the op amp on one resistor and optically isolated gain control to the second op-amp on the second resistor. The feedback resistance of one resistor is what's off, so as such, is non repairable. This step in the manual allows you to match both chanels to each other, as any pair of LDRs is bound to be different from each other.  Most Naks with a fader use a single LDR, with one resistor used per channel. Does anyone have a spare, or parts CR-X deck that they can sacrifice the 7414 from? Naturally, I'd pay for it, (or trade spare parts) and shipping. I'd assume the CR series all use the 7414. It's easy to identify. Looks like a black jelly bean with flat ends with 2 leads on one flat side and 4 leads on the other. My LDR works, it's just that the relative resistance of one channel to the other is different enough that I can't get sufficient gain.  Normally, when each resistor is used per channel, this difference is moot, as each channel is tweaked independently, so this LDR can likely be used in a circuit where each channel has independent adjustments. On the CR-7 (and I assume the CR-5, not sure on the CR-3,4) this is not the case.  For now, I matched both Levels to the lower 285mV value, and while it works, it means that the auto cal circuit will always adjust level off by 25mV at 0dB.   I know this is very tech specific, but any help would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks, Perry. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dgb100 at psu.edu Sat Mar 19 12:57:04 2011 From: dgb100 at psu.edu (Beckner, Derrick) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 07:57:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] A Facebook page? In-Reply-To: <349633.48736.qm@web120714.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <201103181118.p2IB8wSc020608@zxe.naks.com>, <349633.48736.qm@web120714.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Not to mention I think there is already a Nak page on facebook. ________________________________ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Fetner [shoeihell at yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 1:39 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] A Facebook page? The only people that don't "understand" are the ones talking about "moving" naktalk to Facebook. You could supplement this site if you want to, but not replace it. And most of you are forgetting one thing: what about Wouter? Don't you think you owe him the respect to see if he's interested, since this is HIS site? I'd like to see if a group could work there now that you mention it, other than the cesspool that I see on my own page and others. Kevin Message: 10 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 14:25:39 -0500 From: Ray Kunst > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Facebook page? To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Vic, You did not ask the wrong question. Its just that people on here do not really understand Facebook. I am on a MG forum, Bicycle forum, Camera forum, Music forum plus many others. There is absolutely no reason not to have a Nakamichi forum on Facebook. Those who disagree are misinformed. Well…..It looks as if I asked the wrong question about Facebook. The idea was to attract more interest in world of cassettes. Not to move naktalk. Vic From pbtanner at hotmail.com Sat Mar 19 13:07:42 2011 From: pbtanner at hotmail.com (Peter Tanner) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 12:07:42 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 582 calibration In-Reply-To: <923212.67723.qm@web130102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: , , , , , , , , , <923212.67723.qm@web130102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks for this, Ron. I've finally got around doing some checks with a friend. Everything seems to check out ok. As I've said EX and SX calibrate just fine. ZX is ok relatively and the switch is clean but if the record level is set at 0 db the bias cannot be brought below +3 db. Especially on the left channel on TDK metal tapes. Interestingly enough on the Nakamich ZX tape (I have 1) I can bring the bias down to 0 db. But the TDK's are too bright at +3. The trim pots VR 706 and 806 for ZX function well too. Of the resistors you mention which ones relate to ZX? Thanks Peter Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 06:33:35 -0800 From: ronami at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] 582 calibration To: naktalk at naks.com Peter, My schematic of the 582 is also difficult to read, but as far as I can make it, components associated with record calibration are as follows: R707, VR701, R701, C703 R807, VR801, R801, C803 VR706 VR806 All these are located on the the Rec. Cal. PCB. Components designated by VR are trim pots. Components in the 700 series are in the left channel, while those in the 800 group are in the right channel. First, I would visually check the tape switch and make sure it's clean and the ZX contacts make good contact (with Ohm meter). Trim pots can contribute to your problem by going bad, by deterioration of slider contact, or by incorrect adjustment. Start by measuring slider to both ends of all trim pots, comparing the left to right channel values. If one is obviously off kilter, try this: mark slider position, move it lock to lock a couple of times, then put it exactly where it was before; now see if the problem has changed/disappeared. Next step: compare values of all resistors between channels (measuring in circuit). Next step: if you have the means to check capacitors (leakage and values), lift one end of both caps and do it. If this is inconclusive, try to adjust record level. Results for the two channels will probably be wrong, but just determine whether channels are similar. If so, the caps are probably OK. Good luck, -- Ron From: Peter Tanner To: naktalk naktalk Sent: Tue, February 22, 2011 8:01:41 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] 582 calibration Hi Cheryl, Thanks for the suggestion however it's easier said than done. I am no expert at reading diagrams and up to now I am unable to find the components for ZX switching. I have changed the two caps as per Willy's advice. The big resistor next to them was running hot intermittently in the record mode so the caps were probably faulty or on their way out. They were orange pp caps.The resistor is cold now (I think it's R 319) and the record level is more stable and the right channel is perfect for bias adjust but the left is still up to +3 db and I can't bring it down to 0 or below if the record level is set at 0 db. So as Willy said there is not enough bias current or something else is wrong but the recordings are much better now with only the left channel sounding a little too bright. So I guess I'll have to live with it until some other suggestions or just use my other deck, a 481Z, for these newly acquired metal tapes. SX and EX are perfect. Thanks anyway Peter From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] 582 calibration Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 08:57:19 -1000 Hi Peter, Bummer. Since you say it seems okay on the EX and SX positions, then in addition to the oscillator caps that Willy suggested, I would get the schematic and trace out what components are switched into the circuit when you set the switch to ZX. Then verify that those components are within specs/functional. Aloha, Cheryl From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Peter Tanner Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 2:29 PM To: naktalk naktalk Subject: RE: [naktalk] 582 calibration I've tried that, Cheryl, thanks for the advice but it's still the same. Only on metal, ZX position. Got so frustrated that I've made some recordings using these TDK MA-X's on a 481 Z and the results are just fine so the tapes are good. I'd like to use the 582 though. Peter From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] 582 calibration Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 09:58:57 -1000 Hi Peter, I’ve run into this before on both my 581 and 582 and each time it leaves me scratching the old noggin for a few minutes. The symptom is the REC LEVEL is correctly set to 0 db but the BIAS will be too high and you won’t be able to get it down to 0 db. Try this: When you set the REC LEVEL, there should be 2 places within the pot/VR adjustment range where you can get the meter to read 0 db. Readjust the record level for each channel to the “other” place on the pot/VR where the meter reads 0 db. You should then be able to adjust the BIAS to 0 db. Good luck. Cheryl From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Peter Tanner Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 2:58 PM To: naktalk naktalk Subject: [naktalk] 582 calibration Hi All, I have acquired some metal tapes recently. TDK MA-X 100's. Some used, some new, still sealed. I am using a 582 which calibrates well for chrome or normal bias tapes generally. This is the first time I've used metal on it and the results are not so good. When I set the record level to 0 db on its 400hz tone then switch to 15 khz for bias the needles swing way over to the right, probably +10 db or more and I am unable to bring them down to 0 db or below. The recordings are too bright to the point of shrilly. If I bring the record level down to -6 or 7 db then the bias can be brought down to about + 2db but it's still too bright and the level is way off. Also, lately the record level goes off on the same tape that has already been set up when the deck is turned on after it's been off for a while. Both chrome and normal. Goes down to about -5 db and cannot be adjusted. Then eventually it goes back up to 0 on its own. As if it needed warming up. Could there be anything wrong with the bias circuit? Just guessing but it would be great if someone could help with this. 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URL: From jmlevitz at yahoo.com Sat Mar 19 19:48:21 2011 From: jmlevitz at yahoo.com (jayson levitz) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 11:48:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 582 calibration In-Reply-To: References: , , , , , , , , , <923212.67723.qm@web130102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <869310.15546.qm@web161914.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> That is strange since Nak tapes (EX, SX and ZX) were made by TDK. Therefore, Nak and TDK tapes should calibrate the same. Jayson. ________________________________ From: Peter Tanner To: naktalk naktalk Sent: Sat, March 19, 2011 8:07:42 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] 582 calibration Thanks for this, Ron. I've finally got around doing some checks with a friend. Everything seems to check out ok. As I've said EX and SX calibrate just fine. ZX is ok relatively and the switch is clean but if the record level is set at 0 db the bias cannot be brought below +3 db. Especially on the left channel on TDK metal tapes. Interestingly enough on the Nakamich ZX tape (I have 1) I can bring the bias down to 0 db. But the TDK's are too bright at +3. The trim pots VR 706 and 806 for ZX function well too. Of the resistors you mention which ones relate to ZX? Thanks   Peter   ________________________________ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 06:33:35 -0800 From: ronami at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] 582 calibration To: naktalk at naks.com Peter, My schematic of the 582 is also difficult to read, but as far as I can make it, components associated with record calibration are as follows: R707, VR701, R701, C703 R807, VR801, R801, C803 VR706 VR806 All these are located on the the Rec. Cal. PCB. Components designated by VR are trim pots. Components in the 700 series are in the left channel, while those in the 800 group are in the right channel. First, I would visually check the tape switch and make sure it's clean and the ZX contacts make good contact (with Ohm meter). Trim pots can contribute to your problem by going bad, by deterioration of slider contact, or by incorrect adjustment. Start by measuring slider to both ends of all trim pots, comparing the left to right channel values. If one is obviously off kilter, try this: mark slider position, move it lock to lock a couple of times, then  put it exactly where it was before; now see if the problem has changed/disappeared. Next step: compare values of all resistors between channels (measuring in circuit). Next step: if you have the means to check capacitors (leakage and values), lift one end of both caps and do it. If this is inconclusive, try to adjust record level. Results for the two channels will probably be wrong, but just determine whether channels are similar. If so, the caps are probably OK. Good luck, -- Ron ________________________________ From: Peter Tanner To: naktalk naktalk Sent: Tue, February 22, 2011 8:01:41 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] 582 calibration Hi Cheryl,   Thanks for the suggestion however it's easier said than done. I am no expert at reading diagrams and up to now I am unable to find the components for ZX switching. I have changed the two caps as per Willy's advice. The big resistor next to them was running hot intermittently in the record mode so the caps were probably faulty or on their way out. They were orange pp caps.The resistor is cold now (I think it's R 319) and the record level is more stable and the right channel is perfect for bias adjust but the left is still up to +3 db and I can't bring it down to 0 or below if the record level is set at 0 db. So as Willy said there is not enough bias current or something else is wrong but the recordings are much better now with only the left channel sounding a little too bright. So I guess I'll have to live with it until some other suggestions or just use my other deck, a 481Z, for these newly acquired metal tapes. SX and EX are perfect.   Thanks anyway   Peter   ________________________________ From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] 582 calibration Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 08:57:19 -1000 Hi Peter,   Bummer.   Since you say it seems okay on the EX and SX positions, then in addition to the oscillator caps that Willy suggested, I would get the schematic and trace out what components are switched into the circuit when you set the switch to ZX. Then verify that those components are within specs/functional.   Aloha, Cheryl     ________________________________ From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Peter Tanner Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 2:29 PM To: naktalk naktalk Subject: RE: [naktalk] 582 calibration   I've tried that, Cheryl, thanks for the advice but it's still the same. Only on metal, ZX position. Got so frustrated that I've made some recordings using these TDK MA-X's on a 481 Z and the results are just fine so the tapes are good. I'd like to use the 582 though.   Peter   ________________________________ From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] 582 calibration Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 09:58:57 -1000   Hi Peter,   I’ve run into this before on both my 581 and 582 and each time it leaves me scratching the old noggin for a few minutes. The symptom is the REC LEVEL is correctly set to 0 db but the BIAS will be too high and you won’t be able to get it down to 0 db.   Try this: When you set the REC LEVEL, there should be 2 places within the pot/VR adjustment range where you can get the meter to read 0 db. Readjust the record level for each channel to the “other” place on the pot/VR where the meter reads 0 db. You should then be able to adjust the BIAS to 0 db.   Good luck. Cheryl   ________________________________ From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Peter Tanner Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 2:58 PM To: naktalk naktalk Subject: [naktalk] 582 calibration   Hi All,   I have acquired some metal tapes recently. TDK MA-X 100's. Some used, some new, still sealed. I am using a 582 which calibrates well for chrome or normal bias tapes generally. This is the first time I've used metal on it and the results are not so good. When I set the record level to 0 db on its 400hz tone then switch to 15 khz for bias the needles swing way over to the right, probably +10 db or more and I am unable to bring them down to 0 db or below. The recordings are too bright to the point of shrilly. If I bring the record level down to -6 or 7 db then the bias can be brought down to about + 2db but it's still too bright and the level is way off. Also, lately the record level goes off on the same tape that has already been set up when the deck is turned on after it's been off for a while. Both chrome and normal. Goes down to about -5 db and cannot be adjusted. Then eventually it goes back up to 0 on its own. As if it needed warming up. Could there be anything wrong with the bias circuit? Just guessing but it would be great if someone could help with this. 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URL: From mech986 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 19 22:05:27 2011 From: mech986 at yahoo.com (Bart) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 14:05:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] A Facebook page? In-Reply-To: References: <201103181118.p2IB8wSc020608@zxe.naks.com>, <349633.48736.qm@web120714.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <472039.21668.qm@web81804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2204735148 Here's an example of a "discussion" type forum on Facebook. I am not an expert on it but it does seem like something could be fashioned to resemble a more structured forum rather than a "personal" page, if that's what you're after. I would suggest that a wider audience is always welcome, and Facebook could offer that. OTOH, IME, it's important to be able to moderate and screen members and posts so spammers and trolls can be addressed - that is easier in typical discussion boards and systems like Naktalk. The beauty is topics can be separated into thread and easier to see, also if a search capability is there, then can become a resource, much like AudioKarma or Lansing Heritage, 2 sites that I am very familiar with. As moderator of the Yahoo! LS3/5a newsgroup site, I am somewhat similarly in favor of moving to a more discussion board type site but have not the time or expertise to run such a site (yet). If Facebook has added features that act like a board, then it could be useful. But it obviously take someone some personal time and effort to address any problems. Regards, Bart ________________________________ From: "Beckner, Derrick" To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sat, March 19, 2011 4:57:04 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] A Facebook page? Not to mention I think there is already a Nak page on facebook. ________________________________ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Fetner [shoeihell at yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 1:39 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] A Facebook page? The only people that don't "understand" are the ones talking about "moving" naktalk to Facebook. You could supplement this site if you want to, but not replace it. And most of you are forgetting one thing: what about Wouter? Don't you think you owe him the respect to see if he's interested, since this is HIS site? I'd like to see if a group could work there now that you mention it, other than the cesspool that I see on my own page and others. Kevin Message: 10 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 14:25:39 -0500 From: Ray Kunst > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Facebook page? To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Vic, You did not ask the wrong question. Its just that people on here do not really understand Facebook. I am on a MG forum, Bicycle forum, Camera forum, Music forum plus many others. There is absolutely no reason not to have a Nakamichi forum on Facebook. Those who disagree are misinformed. Well…..It looks as if I asked the wrong question about Facebook. The idea was to attract more interest in world of cassettes. Not to move naktalk. 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URL: From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr Sat Mar 19 23:42:51 2011 From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (boitrel) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 23:42:51 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Polypropylene Film caps In-Reply-To: <8CBF275B-D122-4F9E-9FA0-9F3C5E941AE8@gmail.com> References: <31385228.2363033.1300371474141.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <798572.81260.qm@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8CBF275B-D122-4F9E-9FA0-9F3C5E941AE8@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D85316B.8000305@univ-rennes1.fr> Gerhard, Thanks for the valuable information. Is there a way or another to order on their WEBSITE in English? Last year, I had found Nikkei who sold the very same type of PP caps, but they went out of business about a year ago... Cheers from France Bernard Le 18/03/2011 06:44, Gerhard Wartha a écrit : > there are 4 shops in Osaka with all original PP-cups for the Naks. > And no earth quick in Osaka. > > I was there. The have web sides to order , but in japanese. > > Some man who are working in this shops speak english. > > I will post the web address in the next days. > Osaka is in the west off japan. > In a Nak we should use polypropylen ! Not metallized polyproylene. > > the cups the japanese sell in this shops are with 1 or 2% tolerance. > > If you use 5% cups you can select them to the same value if the work > on left and right cannel. > > The voltage is much more important to take care off. > > regards from europe, > > gerhard >> > > >> >> >> polypropylene >> > Am 18.03.2011 um 02:17 schrieb Cheryl Kaupp: > >> I obtained my WIMA caps from Mouser. I was able to find every cap I >> needed except for one, and for that one I used a polyester (only one >> I could find). Some of the caps were back-ordered and took over 3 >> months to arrive. >> With the earthquakes/tsunamis in Japan, if the caps need to be >> ordered it could be a very, very long wait. For the ones I ordered >> that were back-ordered, Mouser order a significant stock. The WIMA >> caps for my 581 and 582 were not available from DigiKey. >> Aloha, >> Cheryl >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] >> *On Behalf Of *kannan srinivasaraghavan >> *Sent:* Thursday, March 17, 2011 1:57 PM >> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Where to Find Polypropylene Film caps >> >> 5% tolerance capacitors are more than adequate for Nakamichi cap >> repalcement purposes. I generally prefer WIMA polypropylene as the >> Sound quality is excellent - >> 1% capacitors are used for RIAA equalization purpose on Phono stage >> requiring tight frequency charecteristics >> I choose left right channel caps closer in value for better left >> right channel bandwidth match >> Kannan >> >> >> --- On *Thu, 3/17/11, brian.janke at comcast.net >> /> >/* wrote: >> >> >> From: brian.janke at comcast.net >> > >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Where to Find Polypropylene Film caps >> To: luis at peromarta.org >> Cc: naktalk at naks.com >> Date: Thursday, March 17, 2011, 10:17 AM >> >> Luis, >> You are correct, please excuse me. The orange caps I itemized >> are Polypropylene Film rather than Polystyrene. At Mouser.com I >> find 2.5% and 5% tolerance rather than 1% :(. Are there other >> on-line retailers for 1% tolerance PP caps, or should I just go >> with the 2.5% & 5% tolerance on my playback board? >> Brian >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Luis Peromarta Regert" > > >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > >> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 4:31:36 AM >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Where to Find PolyStyrene Mica caps >> >> Any good metalized plastic cap should do. Micas do not usually >> need replacing. >> >> Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos >> >> El 16/03/2011, a las 17:00, brian.janke at comcast.net >> >> escribió: >> >> I am recapping the PB board for my Nak 1000. I itemized >> values and quantity of the 17 (or so) Polystyrene Mica caps. >> I want to use 100 volt, 1% variance caps. I checked Mouser, >> DigiKey, and a few other on-line retailers, but these seem >> very difficult to find, and expensive. Should I look for >> Polypropylene or another family of caps? 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Send Purchase Request, INCLUDING your PayPal email address to: nakamichi at marrscom.com From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com Sun Mar 20 08:03:56 2011 From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 08:03:56 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Polypropylene Film caps In-Reply-To: <4D85316B.8000305@univ-rennes1.fr> References: <31385228.2363033.1300371474141.JavaMail.root@sz0062a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <798572.81260.qm@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8CBF275B-D122-4F9E-9FA0-9F3C5E941AE8@gmail.com> <4D85316B.8000305@univ-rennes1.fr> Message-ID: <37435FA8-8597-4E29-855E-452F979412A8@gmail.com> Hi Bernard, My wife is Japanese, she will look for a english page for you. But it will be difficult to order, I did use a Japanese credit card to pay, when I did order on a web page. There is the first address http://eleshop.jp/shop/default.aspx and a photo from the coolest shop in Osaka. No worries, we will get you the 1500pF PP for what deck ? And how many do you need. Can you use 0,068 plus 0,082uF ? that is same like 1500pF. Digit is cool! call them, number is on the photo,ask the for a mail address, or I do it for you. The are many shops like this, http://digit.kyohritsu.com/ I was there and did go to all them to buy the PP for a 1000ZXL. . One shop did have near all IC from the ZXL. regards Gerhard / europe  Am 19.03.2011 um 23:42 schrieb boitrel: > Gerhard, > > Thanks for the valuable information. > Is there a way or another to order on their WEBSITE in English? > > Last year, I had found Nikkei who sold the very same type of PP > caps, but they went out of business about a year ago... > > Cheers from France > Bernard > > Le 18/03/2011 06:44, Gerhard Wartha a écrit : >> >> there are 4 shops in Osaka with all original PP-cups for the >> Naks. And no earth quick in Osaka. >> >> I was there. The have web sides to order , but in japanese. >> >> Some man who are working in this shops speak english. >> >> I will post the web address in the next days. >> Osaka is in the west off japan. >> In a Nak we should use polypropylen ! Not metallized polyproylene. >> >> the cups the japanese sell in this shops are with 1 or 2% tolerance. >> >> If you use 5% cups you can select them to the same value if the >> work on left and right cannel. >> >> The voltage is much more important to take care off. >> >> regards from europe, >> >> gerhard >> >>> >> >> >>> >>> >>> polypropylene >> Am 18.03.2011 um 02:17 schrieb Cheryl Kaupp: >> >>> I obtained my WIMA caps from Mouser. I was able to find every cap >>> I needed except for one, and for that one I used a polyester >>> (only one I could find). Some of the caps were back-ordered and >>> took over 3 months to arrive. >>> With the earthquakes/tsunamis in Japan, if the caps need to be >>> ordered it could be a very, very long wait. For the ones I >>> ordered that were back-ordered, Mouser order a significant stock. >>> The WIMA caps for my 581 and 582 were not available from DigiKey. >>> >>> Aloha, >>> Cheryl >>> >>> >>> >>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] >>> On Behalf Of kannan srinivasaraghavan >>> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 1:57 PM >>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Where to Find Polypropylene Film caps >>> >>> 5% tolerance capacitors are more than adequate for Nakamichi cap >>> repalcement purposes. I generally prefer WIMA polypropylene as >>> the Sound quality is excellent - >>> >>> 1% capacitors are used for RIAA equalization purpose on Phono >>> stage requiring tight frequency charecteristics >>> >>> I choose left right channel caps closer in value for better left >>> right channel bandwidth match >>> Kannan >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --- On Thu, 3/17/11, brian.janke at comcast.net >>> wrote: >>> >>> From: brian.janke at comcast.net >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Where to Find Polypropylene Film caps >>> To: luis at peromarta.org >>> Cc: naktalk at naks.com >>> Date: Thursday, March 17, 2011, 10:17 AM >>> >>> Luis, >>> You are correct, please excuse me. The orange caps I itemized >>> are Polypropylene Film rather than Polystyrene. At Mouser.com I >>> find 2.5% and 5% tolerance rather than 1% :(. Are there other on- >>> line retailers for 1% tolerance PP caps, or should I just go with >>> the 2.5% & 5% tolerance on my playback board? >>> Brian >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Luis Peromarta Regert" >>> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 4:31:36 AM >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Where to Find PolyStyrene Mica caps >>> >>> Any good metalized plastic cap should do. Micas do not usually >>> need replacing. >>> >>> Sent from iPhone. Pls excuse typos >>> >>> El 16/03/2011, a las 17:00, brian.janke at comcast.net escribió: >>> >>> I am recapping the PB board for my Nak 1000. I itemized values >>> and quantity of the 17 (or so) Polystyrene Mica caps. I want to >>> use 100 volt, 1% variance caps. I checked Mouser, DigiKey, and a >>> few other on-line retailers, but these seem very difficult to >>> find, and expensive. Should I look for Polypropylene or another >>> family of caps? 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In other words if the record level is set at 0 db and the bias at 0db on the TDK the Nakamichi tape will show -5 db on the bias. Record level is the same. Peter Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 11:48:21 -0700 From: jmlevitz at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] 582 calibration To: naktalk at naks.com That is strange since Nak tapes (EX, SX and ZX) were made by TDK. Therefore, Nak and TDK tapes should calibrate the same. Jayson. From: Peter Tanner To: naktalk naktalk Sent: Sat, March 19, 2011 8:07:42 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] 582 calibration Thanks for this, Ron. I've finally got around doing some checks with a friend. Everything seems to check out ok. As I've said EX and SX calibrate just fine. ZX is ok relatively and the switch is clean but if the record level is set at 0 db the bias cannot be brought below +3 db. Especially on the left channel on TDK metal tapes. Interestingly enough on the Nakamich ZX tape (I have 1) I can bring the bias down to 0 db. But the TDK's are too bright at +3. The trim pots VR 706 and 806 for ZX function well too. Of the resistors you mention which ones relate to ZX? Thanks Peter Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 06:33:35 -0800 From: ronami at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] 582 calibration To: naktalk at naks.com Peter, My schematic of the 582 is also difficult to read, but as far as I can make it, components associated with record calibration are as follows: R707, VR701, R701, C703 R807, VR801, R801, C803 VR706 VR806 All these are located on the the Rec. Cal. PCB. Components designated by VR are trim pots. Components in the 700 series are in the left channel, while those in the 800 group are in the right channel. First, I would visually check the tape switch and make sure it's clean and the ZX contacts make good contact (with Ohm meter). Trim pots can contribute to your problem by going bad, by deterioration of slider contact, or by incorrect adjustment. Start by measuring slider to both ends of all trim pots, comparing the left to right channel values. If one is obviously off kilter, try this: mark slider position, move it lock to lock a couple of times, then put it exactly where it was before; now see if the problem has changed/disappeared. Next step: compare values of all resistors between channels (measuring in circuit). Next step: if you have the means to check capacitors (leakage and values), lift one end of both caps and do it. If this is inconclusive, try to adjust record level. Results for the two channels will probably be wrong, but just determine whether channels are similar. If so, the caps are probably OK. Good luck, -- Ron From: Peter Tanner To: naktalk naktalk Sent: Tue, February 22, 2011 8:01:41 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] 582 calibration Hi Cheryl, Thanks for the suggestion however it's easier said than done. I am no expert at reading diagrams and up to now I am unable to find the components for ZX switching. I have changed the two caps as per Willy's advice. The big resistor next to them was running hot intermittently in the record mode so the caps were probably faulty or on their way out. They were orange pp caps.The resistor is cold now (I think it's R 319) and the record level is more stable and the right channel is perfect for bias adjust but the left is still up to +3 db and I can't bring it down to 0 or below if the record level is set at 0 db. So as Willy said there is not enough bias current or something else is wrong but the recordings are much better now with only the left channel sounding a little too bright. So I guess I'll have to live with it until some other suggestions or just use my other deck, a 481Z, for these newly acquired metal tapes. SX and EX are perfect. Thanks anyway Peter From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] 582 calibration Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 08:57:19 -1000 Hi Peter, Bummer. Since you say it seems okay on the EX and SX positions, then in addition to the oscillator caps that Willy suggested, I would get the schematic and trace out what components are switched into the circuit when you set the switch to ZX. Then verify that those components are within specs/functional. Aloha, Cheryl From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Peter Tanner Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 2:29 PM To: naktalk naktalk Subject: RE: [naktalk] 582 calibration I've tried that, Cheryl, thanks for the advice but it's still the same. Only on metal, ZX position. Got so frustrated that I've made some recordings using these TDK MA-X's on a 481 Z and the results are just fine so the tapes are good. I'd like to use the 582 though. Peter From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] 582 calibration Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 09:58:57 -1000 Hi Peter, I’ve run into this before on both my 581 and 582 and each time it leaves me scratching the old noggin for a few minutes. The symptom is the REC LEVEL is correctly set to 0 db but the BIAS will be too high and you won’t be able to get it down to 0 db. Try this: When you set the REC LEVEL, there should be 2 places within the pot/VR adjustment range where you can get the meter to read 0 db. Readjust the record level for each channel to the “other” place on the pot/VR where the meter reads 0 db. You should then be able to adjust the BIAS to 0 db. Good luck. Cheryl From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Peter Tanner Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 2:58 PM To: naktalk naktalk Subject: [naktalk] 582 calibration Hi All, I have acquired some metal tapes recently. TDK MA-X 100's. Some used, some new, still sealed. I am using a 582 which calibrates well for chrome or normal bias tapes generally. This is the first time I've used metal on it and the results are not so good. When I set the record level to 0 db on its 400hz tone then switch to 15 khz for bias the needles swing way over to the right, probably +10 db or more and I am unable to bring them down to 0 db or below. The recordings are too bright to the point of shrilly. If I bring the record level down to -6 or 7 db then the bias can be brought down to about + 2db but it's still too bright and the level is way off. Also, lately the record level goes off on the same tape that has already been set up when the deck is turned on after it's been off for a while. Both chrome and normal. Goes down to about -5 db and cannot be adjusted. Then eventually it goes back up to 0 on its own. As if it needed warming up. Could there be anything wrong with the bias circuit? 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It is okay if, somebody gets 100% plus for re-selling parts on Ebay, 40$ or so for one belt is not okay. regards from europe# Gerhard Am 18.03.2011 um 17:07 schrieb Fred Marrs: > > 3-18-2011, Nakamichi Factory Belt Kits and the Catastrophe in Japan > > > To my Valued Nakamichi Customers, > > The D3 and D4 Factory Belt Kits have arrived from Japan. > > > At this time, I do not know what the Future holds with my Factory > in Japan. > > I receive a Phone call on 3-10-11. That is my last communication > with them. > > IF, they were Affected or Gone, it will End the availability of the > Following Part > > Numbers. AGAIN, I do NOT know their fate at this time! > > > Nakamichi FACTORY Belt Kits > > OCO-82702-D1_____( DR-1, DR-2, DR-10, Cassette Deck 1.0 and 1.5, > CR-3A ) > > > Classic Transport > OCO-8096 - D2_____( 480 thru 582Z series, 660 thru 682ZX, LX-3, LX-5, > > _________________ RX-303, RX-505, ZX-7, 700ZXE, 700ZXL, 1000ZXL ) > > > OCO-80334 -D3____( ZX-9 ) Special Capstan Belt for ZX-9 only. > > > OCO-80634-D4_____( BX-300, CR-4, CR-5A, CR-7A, MR-1, ect ) > > > OCO-80034-D5_____( BX-1, BX-2, BX-100, BX-125, BX-150, CR-1A, CR-2A, > > __________________DR-3A, DR-8A, MR-2, Cassette Deck 2.0, RX-202, ect.) > > > Current Kit Prices: ( All Belts and Idler ) Shipping Included > Worldwide > > D-1 $ 36.95______ D-3 $ 36.95 > > D-2 $ 36.95______ D-4 $ 36.95______ D-5 $ 28.95 > > > I highly Recommend, you get them while you Can. > > Send Purchase Request, INCLUDING your PayPal email address to: > > nakamichi at marrscom.com > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From ronami at yahoo.com Sun Mar 20 16:26:51 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 08:26:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 7414 CdS LDR on CR-7 and others? In-Reply-To: <866049956.3168954.1300538110533.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <866049956.3168954.1300538110533.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <884260.24991.qm@web130107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Perry, Not long ago I faced a similar problem while repairing a Harmonic Distortion meter that utilizes a four cell Optocoupler. Unfortunately, CdS cells tend to deteriorate with time. Also unfortunately, there was absolutely no replacement to be found. As a result, the job turned out to be both very time consuming and expensive :-(. I'm afraid your chances of finding a good MCD7414F are kinda slim. However, since your coupler still works (even though the CdS resistor is out of whack), I would try to change the 1K LED drive resistor R218 just enough to move the gain to where it belongs. Looks like you need to increase gain by about 10%. However, since gain vs. drive current is not linear, the required value for R218 is not predictable. Try changing it to 1.1K or 1.2K, see what it buys you and take it from there. Good luck, -- Ron ________________________________ From: "perry.nak at comcast.net" To: Naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sat, March 19, 2011 8:35:10 AM Subject: [naktalk] 7414 CdS LDR on CR-7 and others? Hi all, While working on a CR-7, I was adjusting the Level Controller Gain Adjustment (Step 9 in the SM), and found both channels WAY off from the Source and each other. The source signal yielded 310mV (Pins 4 & 5) at 0dB (.775V), yet the output levels were in the 190-210mV range (Pins 2 & 1). One channel easily adjusted to match, yet the other topped out at about 285mV. Investigation yielded that the culprit is one of the pairs of 7414 CdS LDRs, part CDS102. This is an LED driven, pair of Cadmium Sulphide Light Dependent Resistors (thanks, John!) Swapping them moved the issue to the other channel. In earlier Naks, a 12V 7214 is used, of which I've repaired in the past, if they had a burnt out LED. The 7414 appears to be a lower voltage version that uses the Level output of the first op-amp, to drive the LED for bias back to the op amp on one resistor and optically isolated gain control to the second op-amp on the second resistor. The feedback resistance of one resistor is what's off, so as such, is non repairable. This step in the manual allows you to match both chanels to each other, as any pair of LDRs is bound to be different from each other. Most Naks with a fader use a single LDR, with one resistor used per channel. Does anyone have a spare, or parts CR-X deck that they can sacrifice the 7414 from? Naturally, I'd pay for it, (or trade spare parts) and shipping. I'd assume the CR series all use the 7414. It's easy to identify. Looks like a black jelly bean with flat ends with 2 leads on one flat side and 4 leads on the other. My LDR works, it's just that the relative resistance of one channel to the other is different enough that I can't get sufficient gain. Normally, when each resistor is used per channel, this difference is moot, as each channel is tweaked independently, so this LDR can likely be used in a circuit where each channel has independent adjustments. On the CR-7 (and I assume the CR-5, not sure on the CR-3,4) this is not the case. For now, I matched both Levels to the lower 285mV value, and while it works, it means that the auto cal circuit will always adjust level off by 25mV at 0dB. I know this is very tech specific, but any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Perry. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The trim pots VR 706 and 806 for ZX function well too. Of the resistors you mention which ones relate to ZX? Thanks Peter ________________________________ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 06:33:35 -0800 From: ronami at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] 582 calibration To: naktalk at naks.com Peter, My schematic of the 582 is also difficult to read, but as far as I can make it, components associated with record calibration are as follows: R707, VR701, R701, C703 R807, VR801, R801, C803 VR706 VR806 All these are located on the the Rec. Cal. PCB. Components designated by VR are trim pots. Components in the 700 series are in the left channel, while those in the 800 group are in the right channel. First, I would visually check the tape switch and make sure it's clean and the ZX contacts make good contact (with Ohm meter). Trim pots can contribute to your problem by going bad, by deterioration of slider contact, or by incorrect adjustment. Start by measuring slider to both ends of all trim pots, comparing the left to right channel values. If one is obviously off kilter, try this: mark slider position, move it lock to lock a couple of times, then put it exactly where it was before; now see if the problem has changed/disappeared. Next step: compare values of all resistors between channels (measuring in circuit). Next step: if you have the means to check capacitors (leakage and values), lift one end of both caps and do it. If this is inconclusive, try to adjust record level. Results for the two channels will probably be wrong, but just determine whether channels are similar. If so, the caps are probably OK. Good luck, -- Ron ________________________________ From: Peter Tanner To: naktalk naktalk Sent: Tue, February 22, 2011 8:01:41 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] 582 calibration Hi Cheryl, Thanks for the suggestion however it's easier said than done. I am no expert at reading diagrams and up to now I am unable to find the components for ZX switching. I have changed the two caps as per Willy's advice. The big resistor next to them was running hot intermittently in the record mode so the caps were probably faulty or on their way out. They were orange pp caps.The resistor is cold now (I think it's R 319) and the record level is more stable and the right channel is perfect for bias adjust but the left is still up to +3 db and I can't bring it down to 0 or below if the record level is set at 0 db. So as Willy said there is not enough bias current or something else is wrong but the recordings are much better now with only the left channel sounding a little too bright. So I guess I'll have to live with it until some other suggestions or just use my other deck, a 481Z, for these newly acquired metal tapes. SX and EX are perfect. Thanks anyway Peter ________________________________ From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] 582 calibration Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 08:57:19 -1000 Hi Peter, Bummer. Since you say it seems okay on the EX and SX positions, then in addition to the oscillator caps that Willy suggested, I would get the schematic and trace out what components are switched into the circuit when you set the switch to ZX. Then verify that those components are within specs/functional. Aloha, Cheryl ________________________________ From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Peter Tanner Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 2:29 PM To: naktalk naktalk Subject: RE: [naktalk] 582 calibration I've tried that, Cheryl, thanks for the advice but it's still the same. Only on metal, ZX position. Got so frustrated that I've made some recordings using these TDK MA-X's on a 481 Z and the results are just fine so the tapes are good. I'd like to use the 582 though. Peter ________________________________ From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] 582 calibration Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 09:58:57 -1000 Hi Peter, I’ve run into this before on both my 581 and 582 and each time it leaves me scratching the old noggin for a few minutes. The symptom is the REC LEVEL is correctly set to 0 db but the BIAS will be too high and you won’t be able to get it down to 0 db. Try this: When you set the REC LEVEL, there should be 2 places within the pot/VR adjustment range where you can get the meter to read 0 db. Readjust the record level for each channel to the “other” place on the pot/VR where the meter reads 0 db. You should then be able to adjust the BIAS to 0 db. Good luck. Cheryl ________________________________ From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Peter Tanner Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 2:58 PM To: naktalk naktalk Subject: [naktalk] 582 calibration Hi All, I have acquired some metal tapes recently. TDK MA-X 100's. Some used, some new, still sealed. I am using a 582 which calibrates well for chrome or normal bias tapes generally. This is the first time I've used metal on it and the results are not so good. When I set the record level to 0 db on its 400hz tone then switch to 15 khz for bias the needles swing way over to the right, probably +10 db or more and I am unable to bring them down to 0 db or below. The recordings are too bright to the point of shrilly. If I bring the record level down to -6 or 7 db then the bias can be brought down to about + 2db but it's still too bright and the level is way off. Also, lately the record level goes off on the same tape that has already been set up when the deck is turned on after it's been off for a while. Both chrome and normal. Goes down to about -5 db and cannot be adjusted. Then eventually it goes back up to 0 on its own. As if it needed warming up. Could there be anything wrong with the bias circuit? Just guessing but it would be great if someone could help with this. 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URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Sun Mar 20 19:37:38 2011 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 10:37:38 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nak mixer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Nakamichi never made a mixer available. Their philosophy was the simpler the better. They felt their tri-mike setup should be capable of capturing the live event by itself without any multi-mic mixing or equalization. Given the many examples at the time of multi-mic atrocities I tended to agree with them - especially for acoustic performances. I have heard some stunning recordings using only a 550 and a tri-mic setup. Best of luck. Willy On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 7:34 AM, Fergus Cullen wrote: > Hi All > > I'm getting more and more into the live recording end of things. Like I was > talking to Luis about when he visited Dublin, my 550 takes all the trouble > out of recording because I love the sound I get with just a couple of good > mics and a little noise reduction. To me it's perfect. I don't think I'll > ever need another set up. > > Right now I'm starting to add more mics to my set up (only one, sometimes > two) and I'm wondering if Nakamichi ever brought out a mic mixer with eq and > level control? > I have a nice, old Tascam mixer but it's 24 channel. I'm thinking of > something a little more compact. > > Best wishes > Fergus > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From laurenh at gmail.com Sun Mar 20 20:58:35 2011 From: laurenh at gmail.com (Lauren Horn) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 11:58:35 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] 3-18-2011, Nakamichi Factory Belt Kits and the Catastrophe in Japan In-Reply-To: <066452B2-45C8-4AE0-B670-9A8A01604FC5@gmail.com> References: <4D83834E.8030701@marrscom.com> <066452B2-45C8-4AE0-B670-9A8A01604FC5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9212371980623716768@unknownmsgid> Gerhard, While I understand that you might not be willing to buy belts at the prices offered by Marrs Communications, and that is certainly your privilege, I would like to offer that to at least some others, the value Mr. Marrs provides is indeed worth it. For me, his knowledge of the correct belts, the proper place to order them, how to import them, and above all his reputation will save me enough time, bother, and uncertainty that I do not at all mind paying his price. I have often found that paying more for a service up front means paying less in the long term. Regarding his suggestion that future supplies might be in doubt, I see no reason to suspect that this is anything but a warning of a possibility that might matter to folks on this list. Mr. Marrs has stated before that he does this as a spare-time, self-supporting hobby, and I think his conduct supports that. If he wanted to sow seeds of doubt merely to drum up sales, he could have (and, in my judgement, would have) used considerably stronger language in his notice. I don't mean to thrash you about this, and I hope you don't see it that way. I merely believe that Mr. Marrs has conducted himself honorably in his business and in this forum, and he deserves at least one voice raised in defense of his character. --Lauren On Mar 20, 2011, at 7:11 AM, Gerhard Wartha wrote: > Must be hard with your very expensive belts! > > If you have the address it must be easy to check this company. > > Naka repair is in the south off japan. And the are fine. > > It will be a way to get belts. > > You don�t get me to buy your belts faster because of the Catastrophe in Japan. > > It is okay if, somebody gets 100% plus for re-selling parts on Ebay, > 40$ or so for one belt is not okay. > > regards from europe# > > Gerhard > > > Am 18.03.2011 um 17:07 schrieb Fred Marrs: > >> >> 3-18-2011, Nakamichi Factory Belt Kits and the Catastrophe in Japan >> >> >> To my Valued Nakamichi Customers, >> >> The D3 and D4 Factory Belt Kits have arrived from Japan. >> >> >> At this time, I do not know what the Future holds with my Factory in Japan. >> >> I receive a Phone call on 3-10-11. That is my last communication with them. >> >> IF, they were Affected or Gone, it will End the availability of the Following Part >> >> Numbers. AGAIN, I do NOT know their fate at this time! >> >> >> Nakamichi FACTORY Belt Kits >> >> OCO-82702-D1_____( DR-1, DR-2, DR-10, Cassette Deck 1.0 and 1.5, CR-3A ) >> >> >> Classic Transport >> OCO-8096 - D2_____( 480 thru 582Z series, 660 thru 682ZX, LX-3, LX-5, >> >> _________________ RX-303, RX-505, ZX-7, 700ZXE, 700ZXL, 1000ZXL ) >> >> >> OCO-80334 -D3____( ZX-9 ) Special Capstan Belt for ZX-9 only. >> >> >> OCO-80634-D4_____( BX-300, CR-4, CR-5A, CR-7A, MR-1, ect ) >> >> >> OCO-80034-D5_____( BX-1, BX-2, BX-100, BX-125, BX-150, CR-1A, CR-2A, >> >> __________________DR-3A, DR-8A, MR-2, Cassette Deck 2.0, RX-202, ect.) >> >> >> Current Kit Prices: ( All Belts and Idler ) Shipping Included Worldwide >> >> D-1 $ 36.95______ D-3 $ 36.95 >> >> D-2 $ 36.95______ D-4 $ 36.95______ D-5 $ 28.95 >> >> >> I highly Recommend, you get them while you Can. >> >> Send Purchase Request, INCLUDING your PayPal email address to: >> >> nakamichi at marrscom.com >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From laurenh at gmail.com Sun Mar 20 21:07:16 2011 From: laurenh at gmail.com (Lauren Horn) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 12:07:16 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nak mixer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <239694404808078006@unknownmsgid> With all respect, Willy, to the best of my recollection the rather minimalist three-mike mixer that I auditioned at a local Nak dealer did itself bear the Nakimichi brand. I believe it was this one: http://www.nakmics.com/nak-mx100.htm It is not capable of anything more than setting levels and mixing the three mics down to two channels; perhaps you meant that Nakamichi never made a more elaborate mixer, and I simply misunderstood. Those are my two cents, at any rate. : ) --Lauren On Mar 20, 2011, at 11:12 AM, Willy Hermann wrote: Nakamichi never made a mixer available. Their philosophy was the simpler the better. They felt their tri-mike setup should be capable of capturing the live event by itself without any multi-mic mixing or equalization. Given the many examples at the time of multi-mic atrocities I tended to agree with them - especially for acoustic performances. I have heard some stunning recordings using only a 550 and a tri-mic setup. Best of luck. Willy On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 7:34 AM, Fergus Cullen wrote: > Hi All > > I'm getting more and more into the live recording end of things. Like I was > talking to Luis about when he visited Dublin, my 550 takes all the trouble > out of recording because I love the sound I get with just a couple of good > mics and a little noise reduction. To me it's perfect. I don't think I'll > ever need another set up. > > Right now I'm starting to add more mics to my set up (only one, sometimes > two) and I'm wondering if Nakamichi ever brought out a mic mixer with eq and > level control? > I have a nice, old Tascam mixer but it's 24 channel. 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URL: From luis at peromarta.org Sun Mar 20 21:23:04 2011 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 16:23:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak calibration tapes In-Reply-To: <632359.1233.qm@web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <632359.1233.qm@web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9D3FC64F-47D1-4A22-BE36-CAF80704B84B@peromarta.org> No difference. Use with confidence. Sent from iPad. Please excuse typos. On 20/03/2011, at 15:04, stelios kastanakis wrote: > Hello > I have a full set of nakamichi calibration tapes > I have notice tha they all have an A at the end of the number > Reading the Dragon's service manual it mention type B calibration tapes > What is the difference between the 2 types and what will be the effects on calibration procedure? > > Best regards > Strolls > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Sun Mar 20 21:37:16 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 10:37:16 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] 3-18-2011, Nakamichi Factory Belt Kits and the Catastrophe in Japan In-Reply-To: <066452B2-45C8-4AE0-B670-9A8A01604FC5@gmail.com> References: <4D83834E.8030701@marrscom.com> <066452B2-45C8-4AE0-B670-9A8A01604FC5@gmail.com> Message-ID: I purchased several kits from Fred. They were each a full set of belts -- not just one belt. Aloha, Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Gerhard Wartha Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 4:37 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] 3-18-2011,Nakamichi Factory Belt Kits and the Catastrophe in Japan Must be hard with your very expensive belts! If you have the address it must be easy to check this company. Naka repair is in the south off japan. And the are fine. It will be a way to get belts. You don´t get me to buy your belts faster because of the Catastrophe in Japan. It is okay if, somebody gets 100% plus for re-selling parts on Ebay, 40$ or so for one belt is not okay. regards from europe# Gerhard Am 18.03.2011 um 17:07 schrieb Fred Marrs: > > 3-18-2011, Nakamichi Factory Belt Kits and the Catastrophe in Japan > > From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com Sun Mar 20 22:09:11 2011 From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 22:09:11 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak calibration tapes In-Reply-To: <632359.1233.qm@web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <632359.1233.qm@web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The A series are little older and made with tape type 1, the are FE tape. The B series are made with metal Type 4 tape. No difference with working with them, except 120 and 70 usec. you can use both if you set azimuth. metal tape should last little longer at the same level. If you take care and don´t keep them near transformers, use them on good working transports only the will have a long life to do alignment or Level. regards from europe Am 20.03.2011 um 20:04 schrieb stelios kastanakis: > Hello > I have a full set of nakamichi calibration tapes > I have notice tha they all have an A at the end of the number > Reading the Dragon's service manual it mention type B calibration > tapes > What is the difference between the 2 types and what will be the > effects on calibration procedure? > > Best regards > Strolls > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Sun Mar 20 23:20:36 2011 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 14:20:36 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nak mixer In-Reply-To: <239694404808078006@unknownmsgid> References: <239694404808078006@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Yes, Lauren, you're correct. The MX-100 is part of the black box series and is basically the mic mixer section of any of the tri-mic capable decks. Since Fergus already owns a 550 he already has that one. He was asking for a more flexible mixer with level and eq for multiple mics. Willy On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 12:07 PM, Lauren Horn wrote: > With all respect, Willy, to the best of my recollection the rather > minimalist three-mike mixer that I auditioned at a local Nak dealer did > itself bear the Nakimichi brand. > > I believe it was this one: > > http://www.nakmics.com/nak-mx100.htm > > It is not capable of anything more than setting levels and mixing the three > mics down to two channels; perhaps you meant that Nakamichi never made a > more elaborate mixer, and I simply misunderstood. > > Those are my two cents, at any rate. > : ) > > --Lauren > > On Mar 20, 2011, at 11:12 AM, Willy Hermann < > willy at willyhermannservices.com> wrote: > > Nakamichi never made a mixer available. Their philosophy was the simpler > the better. They felt their tri-mike setup should be capable of capturing > the live event by itself without any multi-mic mixing or equalization. > Given the many examples at the time of multi-mic atrocities I tended to > agree with them - especially for acoustic performances. I have heard some > stunning recordings using only a 550 and a tri-mic setup. > > Best of luck. > Willy > > > On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 7:34 AM, Fergus Cullen < > fergus.cullen at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi All >> >> I'm getting more and more into the live recording end of things. Like I >> was talking to Luis about when he visited Dublin, my 550 takes all the >> trouble out of recording because I love the sound I get with just a couple >> of good mics and a little noise reduction. To me it's perfect. I don't think >> I'll ever need another set up. >> >> Right now I'm starting to add more mics to my set up (only one, sometimes >> two) and I'm wondering if Nakamichi ever brought out a mic mixer with eq and >> level control? >> I have a nice, old Tascam mixer but it's 24 channel. 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Aloha, Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Gerhard Wartha Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 4:37 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] 3-18-2011,Nakamichi Factory Belt Kits and the Catastrophe in Japan Must be hard with your very expensive belts! If you have the address it must be easy to check this company. Naka repair is in the south off japan. And the are fine. It will be a way to get belts. You don´t get me to buy your belts faster because of the Catastrophe in Japan. It is okay if, somebody gets 100% plus for re-selling parts on Ebay, 40$ or so for one belt is not okay. regards from europe# Gerhard Am 18.03.2011 um 17:07 schrieb Fred Marrs: > > 3-18-2011, Nakamichi Factory Belt Kits and the Catastrophe in Japan > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From laurenh at gmail.com Mon Mar 21 01:48:31 2011 From: laurenh at gmail.com (Lauren Horn) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 16:48:31 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nak mixer In-Reply-To: References: <239694404808078006@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <-8980745161005176434@unknownmsgid> I just learned something new! I didn't realize that Nakamichi ever made tri-mic decks. Thanks, as always, for the benefit of your experience. --Lauren On Mar 20, 2011, at 4:17 PM, Willy Hermann wrote: Yes, Lauren, you're correct. The MX-100 is part of the black box series and is basically the mic mixer section of any of the tri-mic capable decks. Since Fergus already owns a 550 he already has that one. He was asking for a more flexible mixer with level and eq for multiple mics. Willy On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 12:07 PM, Lauren Horn wrote: > With all respect, Willy, to the best of my recollection the rather > minimalist three-mike mixer that I auditioned at a local Nak dealer did > itself bear the Nakimichi brand. > > I believe it was this one: > > http://www.nakmics.com/nak-mx100.htm > > It is not capable of anything more than setting levels and mixing the three > mics down to two channels; perhaps you meant that Nakamichi never made a > more elaborate mixer, and I simply misunderstood. > > Those are my two cents, at any rate. > : ) > > --Lauren > > On Mar 20, 2011, at 11:12 AM, Willy Hermann < > willy at willyhermannservices.com> wrote: > > Nakamichi never made a mixer available. Their philosophy was the simpler > the better. They felt their tri-mike setup should be capable of capturing > the live event by itself without any multi-mic mixing or equalization. > Given the many examples at the time of multi-mic atrocities I tended to > agree with them - especially for acoustic performances. I have heard some > stunning recordings using only a 550 and a tri-mic setup. > > Best of luck. > Willy > > > On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 7:34 AM, Fergus Cullen < > fergus.cullen at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi All >> >> I'm getting more and more into the live recording end of things. Like I >> was talking to Luis about when he visited Dublin, my 550 takes all the >> trouble out of recording because I love the sound I get with just a couple >> of good mics and a little noise reduction. To me it's perfect. I don't think >> I'll ever need another set up. >> >> Right now I'm starting to add more mics to my set up (only one, sometimes >> two) and I'm wondering if Nakamichi ever brought out a mic mixer with eq and >> level control? >> I have a nice, old Tascam mixer but it's 24 channel. I'm thinking of >> something a little more compact. >> >> Best wishes >> Fergus >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! >> http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! > http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Mon Mar 21 06:32:36 2011 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 22:32:36 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 3-18-2011, Nakamichi Factory Belt Kits and the Catastrophe in Japan In-Reply-To: <9212371980623716768@unknownmsgid> References: <4D83834E.8030701@marrscom.com> <066452B2-45C8-4AE0-B670-9A8A01604FC5@gmail.com> <9212371980623716768@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: I own a repair shop, and I've ordered belts from Fred Marrs because they are of exceptional quality. I would rather pay more for exceptional quality than go "on the cheap" and get some belt that "sort of" works. Here's the bottom line. One of the reasons that we all like Nakamichi cassette decks is because the wow-and-flutter figure is utterly outstanding. Most belts available on the marketplace are thicker and have the wrong degree of elasticity. They work -- sort of. Then you run the set on the wow-and-flutter meter, and you find that the performance is degraded. When you install a Marrs belt, the set "meets spec." Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Lauren Horn wrote: > Gerhard, > > While I understand that you might not be willing to buy belts at the > prices offered by Marrs Communications, and that is certainly your > privilege, I would like to offer that to at least some others, the > value Mr. Marrs provides is indeed worth it. > > For me, his knowledge of the correct belts, the proper place to order > them, how to import them, and above all his reputation will save me > enough time, bother, and uncertainty that I do not at all mind paying > his price. I have often found that paying more for a service up front > means paying less in the long term. > > Regarding his suggestion that future supplies might be in doubt, I see > no reason to suspect that this is anything but a warning of a > possibility that might matter to folks on this list. Mr. Marrs has > stated before that he does this as a spare-time, self-supporting > hobby, and I think his conduct supports that. If he wanted to sow > seeds of doubt merely to drum up sales, he could have (and, in my > judgement, would have) used considerably stronger language in his > notice. > > I don't mean to thrash you about this, and I hope you don't see it > that way. I merely believe that Mr. Marrs has conducted himself > honorably in his business and in this forum, and he deserves at least > one voice raised in defense of his character. > > --Lauren > > On Mar 20, 2011, at 7:11 AM, Gerhard Wartha > wrote: > > > Must be hard with your very expensive belts! > > > > If you have the address it must be easy to check this company. > > > > Naka repair is in the south off japan. And the are fine. > > > > It will be a way to get belts. > > > > You don�t get me to buy your belts faster because of the Catastrophe in > Japan. > > > > It is okay if, somebody gets 100% plus for re-selling parts on Ebay, > > 40$ or so for one belt is not okay. > > > > regards from europe# > > > > Gerhard > > > > > > Am 18.03.2011 um 17:07 schrieb Fred Marrs: > > > >> > >> 3-18-2011, Nakamichi Factory Belt Kits and the Catastrophe in Japan > >> > >> > >> To my Valued Nakamichi Customers, > >> > >> The D3 and D4 Factory Belt Kits have arrived from Japan. > >> > >> > >> At this time, I do not know what the Future holds with my Factory in > Japan. > >> > >> I receive a Phone call on 3-10-11. That is my last communication with > them. > >> > >> IF, they were Affected or Gone, it will End the availability of the > Following Part > >> > >> Numbers. AGAIN, I do NOT know their fate at this time! > >> > >> > >> Nakamichi FACTORY Belt Kits > >> > >> OCO-82702-D1_____( DR-1, DR-2, DR-10, Cassette Deck 1.0 and 1.5, CR-3A ) > >> > >> > >> Classic Transport > >> OCO-8096 - D2_____( 480 thru 582Z series, 660 thru 682ZX, LX-3, LX-5, > >> > >> _________________ RX-303, RX-505, ZX-7, 700ZXE, 700ZXL, 1000ZXL ) > >> > >> > >> OCO-80334 -D3____( ZX-9 ) Special Capstan Belt for ZX-9 only. > >> > >> > >> OCO-80634-D4_____( BX-300, CR-4, CR-5A, CR-7A, MR-1, ect ) > >> > >> > >> OCO-80034-D5_____( BX-1, BX-2, BX-100, BX-125, BX-150, CR-1A, CR-2A, > >> > >> __________________DR-3A, DR-8A, MR-2, Cassette Deck 2.0, RX-202, ect.) > >> > >> > >> Current Kit Prices: ( All Belts and Idler ) Shipping Included Worldwide > >> > >> D-1 $ 36.95______ D-3 $ 36.95 > >> > >> D-2 $ 36.95______ D-4 $ 36.95______ D-5 $ 28.95 > >> > >> > >> I highly Recommend, you get them while you Can. > >> > >> Send Purchase Request, INCLUDING your PayPal email address to: > >> > >> nakamichi at marrscom.com > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sinuhe at r-grieco.net Sun Mar 20 21:07:20 2011 From: sinuhe at r-grieco.net (Raffaele Grieco) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 21:07:20 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak mixer References: Message-ID: <34A0F132A4AB4F08BA85ED29785D12A2@portatile> To tell the full story, Nakamichi actually built two mixing devices: the 610 "Control Preamplifier", also called 'the mixing preamp': it was able to mix up to five microphones (2x L, 2x R and a L/R blend), two phono, one tuner and two aux. But if you are (were) interested in a portable device, the MX-100 let you mix 3 mics in the Tri-mic setting. Google has plenty of entries for both of them. Regards, Raffaele From zero_duke at yahoo.co.uk Mon Mar 21 03:11:07 2011 From: zero_duke at yahoo.co.uk (Claudio) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 23:11:07 -0300 Subject: [naktalk] 3-18-2011, Nakamichi Factory Belt Kits and the Catastrophe in Japan In-Reply-To: <9212371980623716768@unknownmsgid> References: <4D83834E.8030701@marrscom.com> <066452B2-45C8-4AE0-B670-9A8A01604FC5@gmail.com> <9212371980623716768@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <19831EFC-E0A6-4E94-8971-AE99660F4510@yahoo.co.uk> I bought some belts from Fred some time ago. So, I can say Lauren Horn speaks my mind. Regards, Claudio Sent from the MacBook On 20 Mar 2011, at 16:58, Lauren Horn wrote: > Gerhard, > > While I understand that you might not be willing to buy belts at the > prices offered by Marrs Communications, and that is certainly your > privilege, I would like to offer that to at least some others, the > value Mr. Marrs provides is indeed worth it. > > For me, his knowledge of the correct belts, the proper place to order > them, how to import them, and above all his reputation will save me > enough time, bother, and uncertainty that I do not at all mind paying > his price. I have often found that paying more for a service up front > means paying less in the long term. > > Regarding his suggestion that future supplies might be in doubt, I see > no reason to suspect that this is anything but a warning of a > possibility that might matter to folks on this list. Mr. Marrs has > stated before that he does this as a spare-time, self-supporting > hobby, and I think his conduct supports that. If he wanted to sow > seeds of doubt merely to drum up sales, he could have (and, in my > judgement, would have) used considerably stronger language in his > notice. > > I don't mean to thrash you about this, and I hope you don't see it > that way. I merely believe that Mr. Marrs has conducted himself > honorably in his business and in this forum, and he deserves at least > one voice raised in defense of his character. > > --Lauren > > On Mar 20, 2011, at 7:11 AM, Gerhard Wartha wrote: > >> Must be hard with your very expensive belts! >> >> If you have the address it must be easy to check this company. >> >> Naka repair is in the south off japan. And the are fine. >> >> It will be a way to get belts. >> >> You don�t get me to buy your belts faster because of the Catastrophe in Japan. >> >> It is okay if, somebody gets 100% plus for re-selling parts on Ebay, >> 40$ or so for one belt is not okay. >> >> regards from europe# >> >> Gerhard >> >> >> Am 18.03.2011 um 17:07 schrieb Fred Marrs: >> >>> >>> 3-18-2011, Nakamichi Factory Belt Kits and the Catastrophe in Japan >>> >>> >>> To my Valued Nakamichi Customers, >>> >>> The D3 and D4 Factory Belt Kits have arrived from Japan. >>> >>> >>> At this time, I do not know what the Future holds with my Factory in Japan. >>> >>> I receive a Phone call on 3-10-11. That is my last communication with them. >>> >>> IF, they were Affected or Gone, it will End the availability of the Following Part >>> >>> Numbers. AGAIN, I do NOT know their fate at this time! >>> >>> >>> Nakamichi FACTORY Belt Kits >>> >>> OCO-82702-D1_____( DR-1, DR-2, DR-10, Cassette Deck 1.0 and 1.5, CR-3A ) >>> >>> >>> Classic Transport >>> OCO-8096 - D2_____( 480 thru 582Z series, 660 thru 682ZX, LX-3, LX-5, >>> >>> _________________ RX-303, RX-505, ZX-7, 700ZXE, 700ZXL, 1000ZXL ) >>> >>> >>> OCO-80334 -D3____( ZX-9 ) Special Capstan Belt for ZX-9 only. >>> >>> >>> OCO-80634-D4_____( BX-300, CR-4, CR-5A, CR-7A, MR-1, ect ) >>> >>> >>> OCO-80034-D5_____( BX-1, BX-2, BX-100, BX-125, BX-150, CR-1A, CR-2A, >>> >>> __________________DR-3A, DR-8A, MR-2, Cassette Deck 2.0, RX-202, ect.) >>> >>> >>> Current Kit Prices: ( All Belts and Idler ) Shipping Included Worldwide >>> >>> D-1 $ 36.95______ D-3 $ 36.95 >>> >>> D-2 $ 36.95______ D-4 $ 36.95______ D-5 $ 28.95 >>> >>> >>> I highly Recommend, you get them while you Can. >>> >>> Send Purchase Request, INCLUDING your PayPal email address to: >>> >>> nakamichi at marrscom.com >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From r1seals at yahoo.com Mon Mar 21 04:05:21 2011 From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 20:05:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 3-18-2011, Nakamichi Factory Belt Kits and the Catastrophe in Japan In-Reply-To: <9212371980623716768@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <183285.43794.qm@web113307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> and i second that.... and btw  Fred thanks for the heads up --- On Sun, 3/20/11, Lauren Horn wrote: From: Lauren Horn Subject: Re: [naktalk] 3-18-2011, Nakamichi Factory Belt Kits and the Catastrophe in Japan To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Sunday, March 20, 2011, 2:58 PM Gerhard, While I understand that you might not be willing to buy belts at the prices offered by Marrs Communications, and that is certainly your privilege, I would like to offer that to at least some others, the value Mr. Marrs provides is indeed worth it. For me, his knowledge of the correct belts, the proper place to order them, how to import them, and above all his reputation will save me enough time, bother, and uncertainty that I do not at all mind paying his price.  I have often found that paying more for a service up front means paying less in the long term. Regarding his suggestion that future supplies might be in doubt, I see no reason to suspect that this is anything but a warning of a possibility that might matter to folks on this list. Mr. Marrs has stated before that he does this as a spare-time, self-supporting hobby, and I think his conduct supports that.  If he wanted to sow seeds of doubt merely to drum up sales, he could have (and, in my judgement, would have) used considerably stronger language in his notice. I don't mean to thrash you about this, and I hope you don't see it that way.  I merely believe that Mr. Marrs has conducted himself honorably in his business and in this forum, and he deserves at least one voice raised in defense of his character. --Lauren On Mar 20, 2011, at 7:11 AM, Gerhard Wartha wrote: > Must be hard with your very expensive belts! > > If you have the address it must be easy to check this company. > > Naka repair is in the south off japan. And the are fine. > > It will be a way to get belts. > > You don�t get me to buy your belts faster because of the Catastrophe in Japan. > > It is okay if, somebody gets 100% plus for re-selling parts on Ebay, > 40$ or so for one belt is not okay. > > regards from europe# > > Gerhard > > > Am 18.03.2011 um 17:07 schrieb Fred Marrs: > >> >> 3-18-2011, Nakamichi Factory Belt Kits and the Catastrophe in Japan >> >> >> To my Valued Nakamichi Customers, >> >> The D3 and D4 Factory Belt Kits have arrived from Japan. >> >> >> At this time, I do not know what the Future holds with my Factory in Japan. >> >> I receive a Phone call on 3-10-11. That is my last communication with them. >> >> IF, they were Affected or Gone, it will End the availability of the Following Part >> >> Numbers. AGAIN, I do NOT know their fate at this time! >> >> >> Nakamichi FACTORY Belt Kits >> >> OCO-82702-D1_____( DR-1, DR-2, DR-10, Cassette Deck 1.0 and 1.5, CR-3A ) >> >> >> Classic Transport >> OCO-8096 - D2_____( 480 thru 582Z series, 660 thru 682ZX, LX-3, LX-5, >> >> _________________ RX-303, RX-505, ZX-7, 700ZXE, 700ZXL, 1000ZXL ) >> >> >> OCO-80334 -D3____( ZX-9 ) Special Capstan Belt for ZX-9 only. >> >> >> OCO-80634-D4_____( BX-300, CR-4, CR-5A, CR-7A, MR-1, ect ) >> >> >> OCO-80034-D5_____( BX-1, BX-2, BX-100, BX-125, BX-150, CR-1A, CR-2A, >> >> __________________DR-3A, DR-8A, MR-2, Cassette Deck 2.0, RX-202, ect.) >> >> >> Current Kit Prices: ( All Belts and Idler ) Shipping Included Worldwide >> >> D-1 $ 36.95______ D-3 $ 36.95 >> >> D-2 $ 36.95______ D-4 $ 36.95______ D-5 $ 28.95 >> >> >> I highly Recommend, you get them while you Can. >> >> Send Purchase Request, INCLUDING your PayPal email address to: >> >> nakamichi at marrscom.com >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fergus.cullen at gmail.com Mon Mar 21 08:15:49 2011 From: fergus.cullen at gmail.com (Fergus Cullen) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 07:15:49 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak mixer In-Reply-To: References: <239694404808078006@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Thanks for your input. Yes, the recordings I get with the 550 alone are (to my ears) perfect. I'm just curious if Nakamichi ever went down this road. If they did I might give it a try some time. Fergus On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 10:20 PM, Willy Hermann < willy at willyhermannservices.com> wrote: > Yes, Lauren, you're correct. The MX-100 is part of the black box series > and is basically the mic mixer section of any of the tri-mic capable decks. > Since Fergus already owns a 550 he already has that one. He was asking for > a more flexible mixer with level and eq for multiple mics. > > Willy > > > > On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 12:07 PM, Lauren Horn wrote: > >> With all respect, Willy, to the best of my recollection the rather >> minimalist three-mike mixer that I auditioned at a local Nak dealer did >> itself bear the Nakimichi brand. >> >> I believe it was this one: >> >> http://www.nakmics.com/nak-mx100.htm >> >> It is not capable of anything more than setting levels and mixing the >> three mics down to two channels; perhaps you meant that Nakamichi never made >> a more elaborate mixer, and I simply misunderstood. >> >> Those are my two cents, at any rate. >> : ) >> >> --Lauren >> >> On Mar 20, 2011, at 11:12 AM, Willy Hermann < >> willy at willyhermannservices.com> wrote: >> >> Nakamichi never made a mixer available. Their philosophy was the simpler >> the better. They felt their tri-mike setup should be capable of capturing >> the live event by itself without any multi-mic mixing or equalization. >> Given the many examples at the time of multi-mic atrocities I tended to >> agree with them - especially for acoustic performances. I have heard some >> stunning recordings using only a 550 and a tri-mic setup. >> >> Best of luck. >> Willy >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 7:34 AM, Fergus Cullen < >> fergus.cullen at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi All >>> >>> I'm getting more and more into the live recording end of things. Like I >>> was talking to Luis about when he visited Dublin, my 550 takes all the >>> trouble out of recording because I love the sound I get with just a couple >>> of good mics and a little noise reduction. To me it's perfect. I don't think >>> I'll ever need another set up. >>> >>> Right now I'm starting to add more mics to my set up (only one, sometimes >>> two) and I'm wondering if Nakamichi ever brought out a mic mixer with eq and >>> level control? >>> I have a nice, old Tascam mixer but it's 24 channel. 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URL: From perry.nak at comcast.net Mon Mar 21 13:24:26 2011 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 12:24:26 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak calibration tapes Message-ID: <2000718841-1300710267-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-689011919-@bda469.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Rev B calibration tapes are Type IV, while Rev A are Type I, the only (albeit significant) difference. Perry Esposito - From my phone From luis at peromarta.org Mon Mar 21 13:25:39 2011 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 08:25:39 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi calibration tapes In-Reply-To: <798334.94626.qm@web31607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <798334.94626.qm@web31607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Rev. b in newer. Use your A tapes to calibrate with confidence. Sent from iPad. Please excuse typos. 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URL: From perry.nak at comcast.net Mon Mar 21 13:34:16 2011 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 12:34:16 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Factory Belt Kits and the Catastrophe in Japan Message-ID: <1688134105-1300710857-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1091457023-@bda469.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Marrs belts that actually work correctly and are dimensionally correct can not be had at any price even close to what he charges anymore. If you have a source, please share it. He is the only low cost provider of an item that if not available, totally obsoletes many of our decks. It is not cheap to maintain an inventory of that size and variety, on a specialized item and he sure isn't getting rich on them! I am sure he has gotten many emails asking if the factory he uses was affected, so that orders can be placed if needed. I email him a few times a year and have gotten excellent service and prices with a single email. I have an order for him right here, as a matter of fact. Perry Esposito - From my phone From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 21 22:37:11 2011 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 14:37:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Factory Belt Kits and the Catastrophe in Japan In-Reply-To: <1688134105-1300710857-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1091457023-@bda469.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <537703.44477.qm@web112717.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I ditto that. Ram --- On Mon, 3/21/11, perry.nak at comcast.net wrote: From: perry.nak at comcast.net Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Factory Belt Kits and the Catastrophe in Japan To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, March 21, 2011, 8:34 AM Marrs belts that actually work correctly and are dimensionally correct can not be had at any price even close to what he charges anymore. If you have a source, please share it.  He is the only low cost provider of an item that if not available, totally obsoletes many of our decks. It is not cheap to maintain an inventory of that size and variety, on a specialized item and he sure isn't getting rich on them! I am sure he has gotten many emails asking if the factory he uses was affected, so that orders can be placed if needed. I email him a few times a year and have gotten excellent service and prices with a single email. I have an order for him right here, as a matter of fact. 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Question: how is tuned the height of each pressure roller assembly, held with bushing and not nuts? thanks Bernard From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Tue Mar 22 17:22:10 2011 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 09:22:10 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] pressure roller ass'y height adjustment nut In-Reply-To: <4D88A190.9070101@univ-rennes1.fr> References: <4D88A190.9070101@univ-rennes1.fr> Message-ID: The height of a pressure roller assembly is normally non-critical unless a tape guide is attached to the pressure roller assembly. The hex-nut alignment is for the tape guide. Fred Fred Longworth MBA, CHMM Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F San Diego, CA 92116 (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 Fax: (619) 282-7872 classicaudiorepair at gmail.com stereo1 at cox.net www.repairaudio.com On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 6:18 AM, boitrel wrote: > Hi, > > In the 682ZX transport (and presumably in th 68x series), both pressure > roller assemblies are equipped (and tuned in height I suppose) by height > adjustment nuts. > > But this is not true in the other machines with the classic transport, for > which bushing is found instead of adjustable nuts. > > Question: how is tuned the height of each pressure roller assembly, held > with bushing and not nuts? > > thanks > Bernard > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The > hex-nut alignment is for the tape guide. > > Fred > > Fred Longworth MBA, CHMM > Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 > 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F > San Diego, CA 92116 > (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 > Fax: (619) 282-7872 > classicaudiorepair at gmail.com > stereo1 at cox.net > www.repairaudio.com > > On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 6:18 AM, boitrel > > wrote: > > Hi, > > In the 682ZX transport (and presumably in th 68x series), both > pressure roller assemblies are equipped (and tuned in height I > suppose) by height adjustment nuts. > > But this is not true in the other machines with the classic > transport, for which bushing is found instead of adjustable nuts. > > Question: how is tuned the height of each pressure roller > assembly, held with bushing and not nuts? > > thanks > Bernard > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Vic ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From perry.nak at comcast.net Wed Mar 23 12:52:53 2011 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 11:52:53 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] pressure roller ass'y height adjustment nut Message-ID: <962812777-1300881189-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1914767444-@bda469.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> For all the later decks with the split brass bushing, the easiest way is to only adjust the height with the transport removed from the deck. This allows easy access to both the bushing without interference and to the pin that the bushing is mounted to. By carefully inserting a medium sized jewelers screwdriver into the slot in the bushing, you can turn the bushing while applying pressure inward or outward and it will move in fine amounts in or out. What you must be careful of is not to apply too little pressure to split the slot lest you rotate the pin embedded in the nylon of the plate. On most later decks there is additional pin sticking out the back of the nylon, so you can grasp it with needle nose pliers and prevent pin spin or motion. Too much pressure and you risk widening the split and the bushing comes loose and comes off. I have had to remove many of these style arms due to solidified lube and on some the pin had actually turned just due to repeated operation. Too much slack in the pin joint and the plate is ruined as the alignment will be off. I'm sure the original installation tool was some kind of forked extended pliers that allowed direct compression or extraction of the bushing while fixed at the end to the pin. Perry Esposito - From my phone From hockeyeast at yahoo.com Wed Mar 23 12:33:45 2011 From: hockeyeast at yahoo.com (rich) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 04:33:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] facebook Message-ID: <33625.50761.qm@web31505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> facebook would be a great idea -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dougg at mmsav.com Wed Mar 23 14:39:02 2011 From: dougg at mmsav.com (Doug Guth) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 09:39:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] pressure roller ass'y height adjustment nut In-Reply-To: <201103231102.p2NB04ZY000863@zxe.naks.com> References: <201103231102.p2NB04ZY000863@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD4630166A6BA@mail.mmsav.com> Hello Bernard, I usually use a tiny screwdriver inserted in the split brass collar and gently twist it up or down to center the pressure roller on the tape path. I then use some lacquer to seal the setting. Thanks, Doug Guth BSBE, CTS Field Service Engineer Multi Media Services 1029 Thousand Oaks Blvd. Greenville, SC,  29607 (864) 297-8533 dougg at mmsav.com From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr Wed Mar 23 17:06:17 2011 From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (boitrel) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 17:06:17 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] pressure roller ass'y height adjustment nut In-Reply-To: <962812777-1300881189-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1914767444-@bda469.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <962812777-1300881189-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1914767444-@bda469.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <4D8A1A79.30305@univ-rennes1.fr> Thank's a lot for your clear explanations. bernard Le 23/03/2011 12:52, perry.nak at comcast.net a écrit : > For all the later decks with the split brass bushing, the easiest way is to only adjust the height with the transport removed from the deck. This allows easy access to both the bushing without interference and to the pin that the bushing is mounted to. By carefully inserting a medium sized jewelers screwdriver into the slot in the bushing, you can turn the bushing while applying pressure inward or outward and it will move in fine amounts in or out. What you must be careful of is not to apply too little pressure to split the slot lest you rotate the pin embedded in the nylon of the plate. On most later decks there is additional pin sticking out the back of the nylon, so you can grasp it with needle nose pliers and prevent pin spin or motion. Too much pressure and you risk widening the split and the bushing comes loose and comes off. I have had to remove many of these style arms due to solidified lube and on some the pin had actually turned just due to repeated operation. Too ! > much slack in the pin joint and the plate is ruined as the alignment will be off. I'm sure the original installation tool was some kind of forked extended pliers that allowed direct compression or extraction of the bushing while fixed at the end to the pin. > Perry Esposito - From my phone > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From Philip.Stone at imail.org Wed Mar 23 21:26:08 2011 From: Philip.Stone at imail.org (Philip Stone) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 14:26:08 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 1975 model In-Reply-To: <4D8A1A79.30305@univ-rennes1.fr> References: <962812777-1300881189-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1914767444-@bda469.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <4D8A1A79.30305@univ-rennes1.fr> Message-ID: <0217E9C88D8C4648A494117ED772272965DF13FEF1@LP-EXMBVS07.CO.IHC.COM> Hello everyone, I have a chance to acquire the 1975 model 700. The owner is original and has all his original paperwork. Deck is in fine VISUAL condition and everything works. My question, Is the plain 700 worth getting and is $350 a reasonable price? Thank you. Phil From luis at peromarta.org Thu Mar 24 12:41:10 2011 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 07:41:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 1975 model In-Reply-To: <0217E9C88D8C4648A494117ED772272965DF13FEF1@LP-EXMBVS07.CO.IHC.COM> References: <962812777-1300881189-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1914767444-@bda469.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <4D8A1A79.30305@univ-rennes1.fr> <0217E9C88D8C4648A494117ED772272965DF13FEF1@LP-EXMBVS07.CO.IHC.COM> Message-ID: <2D666ACD-73B9-4C31-A0E7-F54C0AC72961@peromarta.org> An old tritracer is not a great deck, if it was a zxl or zxe then 350 would be fine for an excellent unit. IMHO 350 buys you a much better machine. Sent from iPad. Please excuse typos. El 23/03/2011, a las 16:26, Philip Stone escribió: > > > Hello everyone, > > I have a chance to acquire the 1975 model 700. > The owner is original and has all his original paperwork. > Deck is in fine VISUAL condition and everything works. > > My question, > > Is the plain 700 worth getting and is $350 a reasonable price? > > Thank you. > Phil > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ronami at yahoo.com Thu Mar 24 14:23:15 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 06:23:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 1975 model In-Reply-To: <0217E9C88D8C4648A494117ED772272965DF13FEF1@LP-EXMBVS07.CO.IHC.COM> References: <962812777-1300881189-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1914767444-@bda469.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <4D8A1A79.30305@univ-rennes1.fr> <0217E9C88D8C4648A494117ED772272965DF13FEF1@LP-EXMBVS07.CO.IHC.COM> Message-ID: <267692.28790.qm@web130108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I owned one for several years (bought new) and thought is was a great deck. However, compared to newer models, I think you can do a lot better with $350. For example, a 582 (that replaced my 700) in good condition would be a better choice for lower cost, unless the 700 variable speed is very important to you. -- Ron ________________________________ From: Philip Stone To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wed, March 23, 2011 4:26:08 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 1975 model Hello everyone, I have a chance to acquire the 1975 model 700. The owner is original and has all his original paperwork. Deck is in fine VISUAL condition and everything works. My question, Is the plain 700 worth getting and is $350 a reasonable price? Thank you. Phil ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeruff at yahoo.com Thu Mar 24 14:20:24 2011 From: jeruff at yahoo.com (jesse ruff) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 06:20:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 1975 model In-Reply-To: <2D666ACD-73B9-4C31-A0E7-F54C0AC72961@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <815943.55210.qm@web83704.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I had the 700 II and I loved it when it worked (for about a month!).  It sounded awesome I thought--to be honest, I haven't heard a deck yet that sounded that good.  However, once the take up reel broke (I think it was the take-up reel), it was useless unless I wanted to use it as a gigantic mic preamp!  And apparently that part no longer exists...I would say about half what he's asking would be more like it, and maybe you'll get longer out of it.  If the deck has been used consistently, you'll probably have better luck; the one I bought had sat in some rich guy's basement for 20 years.  Jesse   --- On Thu, 3/24/11, Luis Peromarta Regert wrote: From: Luis Peromarta Regert Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 1975 model To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, March 24, 2011, 7:41 AM An old tritracer is not a great deck, if it was a zxl or zxe then 350 would be fine for an excellent unit. IMHO 350 buys you a much better machine. Sent from iPad. Please excuse typos. El 23/03/2011, a las 16:26, Philip Stone escribió: > > > Hello everyone, > > I have a chance to acquire the 1975 model 700. > The owner is original and has all his original paperwork. > Deck is in fine VISUAL condition and everything works. > > My question, > > Is the plain 700 worth getting and is $350 a reasonable price? > > Thank you. > Phil > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Philip.Stone at imail.org Thu Mar 24 17:10:19 2011 From: Philip.Stone at imail.org (Philip Stone) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 10:10:19 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 1975 model In-Reply-To: <815943.55210.qm@web83704.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <2D666ACD-73B9-4C31-A0E7-F54C0AC72961@peromarta.org> <815943.55210.qm@web83704.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0217E9C88D8C4648A494117ED772272965DF140343@LP-EXMBVS07.CO.IHC.COM> Thank you all for your replies. I will pass on this unit. I am really fond of the rx202 rx303 and rx505 units I don't know why. Maybe it's just the cool factor. I have a rx202 that is nearly worn out. A rx303 that is completely worn out. I think a rx505 would be really fun. Thanks again! Phil From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of jesse ruff Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 7:20 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 1975 model I had the 700 II and I loved it when it worked (for about a month!). It sounded awesome I thought--to be honest, I haven't heard a deck yet that sounded that good. However, once the take up reel broke (I think it was the take-up reel), it was useless unless I wanted to use it as a gigantic mic preamp! And apparently that part no longer exists...I would say about half what he's asking would be more like it, and maybe you'll get longer out of it. If the deck has been used consistently, you'll probably have better luck; the one I bought had sat in some rich guy's basement for 20 years. Jesse --- On Thu, 3/24/11, Luis Peromarta Regert wrote: From: Luis Peromarta Regert Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 1975 model To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, March 24, 2011, 7:41 AM An old tritracer is not a great deck, if it was a zxl or zxe then 350 would be fine for an excellent unit. IMHO 350 buys you a much better machine. Sent from iPad. Please excuse typos. El 23/03/2011, a las 16:26, Philip Stone > escribió: > > > Hello everyone, > > I have a chance to acquire the 1975 model 700. > The owner is original and has all his original paperwork. > Deck is in fine VISUAL condition and everything works. > > My question, > > Is the plain 700 worth getting and is $350 a reasonable price? > > Thank you. > Phil > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Fri Mar 25 15:18:39 2011 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 07:18:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RE:Nakamichi 700 1975 model In-Reply-To: <201103251117.p2PB8SsX008995@zxe.naks.com> References: <201103251117.p2PB8SsX008995@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <500597.33598.qm@web120702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I have a RX-505 and love the deck. It's very cold and analytical however, so your source is important. It's also a mechanical marvel with lots of features. The 700ZXL as far as listening 'to', I think is a better deck-very warm and endearing. However, it's been a Problem Betty from the start of my ownership-even with Willy fixing it twice. Kevin ________________________________ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 10:10:19 -0600 From: Philip Stone Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 1975 model To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <0217E9C88D8C4648A494117ED772272965DF140343 at LP-EXMBVS07.CO.IHC.COM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thank you all for your replies. I will pass on this unit. I am really fond of the rx202 rx303 and rx505 units I don't know why. Maybe it's just the cool factor. I have a rx202 that is nearly worn out. A rx303 that is completely worn out. I think a rx505 would be really fun. Thanks again! Phil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It's also a mechanical marvel with lots of features. The 700ZXL as far as listening 'to', I think is a better deck-very warm and endearing. However, it's been a Problem Betty from the start of my ownership-even with Willy fixing it twice. Kevin ________________________________ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 10:10:19 -0600 From: Philip Stone > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 1975 model To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <0217E9C88D8C4648A494117ED772272965DF140343 at LP-EXMBVS07.CO.IHC.COM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thank you all for your replies. I will pass on this unit. I am really fond of the rx202 rx303 and rx505 units I don't know why. Maybe it's just the cool factor. I have a rx202 that is nearly worn out. A rx303 that is completely worn out. I think a rx505 would be really fun. Thanks again! Phil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Sat Mar 26 19:11:00 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 08:11:00 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] RE:Nakamichi 700 1975 model In-Reply-To: <0217E9C88D8C4648A494117ED772272965DF1F235B@LP-EXMBVS07.CO.IHC.COM> References: <201103251117.p2PB8SsX008995@zxe.naks.com><500597.33598.qm@web120702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <0217E9C88D8C4648A494117ED772272965DF1F235B@LP-EXMBVS07.CO.IHC.COM> Message-ID: You might want to consider contacting one of the folks on here who professionally rebuild Naks. I got my 682zx directly for Willy Hermann. It works perfectly, looks great, and it was cheaper than buying from ebay. Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Philip Stone Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 7:14 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE:Nakamichi 700 1975 model That is good information thank you. I would love to find a ZXL local but the state I live in I have never seen one. I just can't stand buying from the bay. Thinks are either broken during delivery Or they are not as advertised. Thanks! Phil From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Fetner Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 8:19 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] RE:Nakamichi 700 1975 model I have a RX-505 and love the deck. It's very cold and analytical however, so your source is important. It's also a mechanical marvel with lots of features. The 700ZXL as far as listening 'to', I think is a better deck-very warm and endearing. However, it's been a Problem Betty from the start of my ownership-even with Willy fixing it twice. Kevin _____ Phil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From laurenh at gmail.com Sat Mar 26 19:52:41 2011 From: laurenh at gmail.com (Lauren Horn) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 10:52:41 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RE:Nakamichi 700 1975 model In-Reply-To: References: <201103251117.p2PB8SsX008995@zxe.naks.com> <500597.33598.qm@web120702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <0217E9C88D8C4648A494117ED772272965DF1F235B@LP-EXMBVS07.CO.IHC.COM> Message-ID: Does Willy have a web site or price list for what he has in stock? On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: > You might want to consider contacting one of the folks on here who > professionally rebuild Naks. > I got my 682zx directly for Willy Hermann. It works perfectly, looks great, > and it was cheaper than buying from ebay. > > Aloha, > Cheryl > ________________________________ > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Philip Stone > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 7:14 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE:Nakamichi 700 1975 model > > That is good information thank you. I would love to find a ZXL local but the > state I live in > > I have never seen one. I just can’t stand buying from the bay. Thinks are > either broken during delivery > > Or they are not as advertised. > > > > Thanks! > > Phil > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Kevin Fetner > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 8:19 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] RE:Nakamichi 700 1975 model > > > > I have a RX-505 and love the deck. It's very cold and analytical however, so > your source is important. It's also a mechanical marvel with lots of > features. The 700ZXL as far as listening 'to', I think is a better deck-very > warm and endearing. However, it's been a Problem Betty from the start of my > ownership-even with Willy fixing it twice. > > Kevin > > ________________________________ > > Phil > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Sat Mar 26 20:56:04 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 09:56:04 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] RE:Nakamichi 700 1975 model In-Reply-To: References: <201103251117.p2PB8SsX008995@zxe.naks.com><500597.33598.qm@web120702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com><0217E9C88D8C4648A494117ED772272965DF1F235B@LP-EXMBVS07.CO.IHC.COM> Message-ID: He has a web site: http://www.willyhermannservices.com/ Aloha, Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Lauren Horn Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:53 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE:Nakamichi 700 1975 model Does Willy have a web site or price list for what he has in stock? On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: > You might want to consider contacting one of the folks on here who > professionally rebuild Naks. > I got my 682zx directly for Willy Hermann. It works perfectly, looks > great, and it was cheaper than buying from ebay. > > Aloha, > Cheryl > ________________________________ > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf Of Philip Stone > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 7:14 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE:Nakamichi 700 1975 model > > That is good information thank you. I would love to find a ZXL local > but the state I live in > > I have never seen one. I just can’t stand buying from the bay. Thinks > are either broken during delivery > > Or they are not as advertised. > > > > Thanks! > > Phil > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf Of Kevin Fetner > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 8:19 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] RE:Nakamichi 700 1975 model > > > > I have a RX-505 and love the deck. It's very cold and analytical > however, so your source is important. It's also a mechanical marvel > with lots of features. The 700ZXL as far as listening 'to', I think is > a better deck-very warm and endearing. However, it's been a Problem > Betty from the start of my ownership-even with Willy fixing it twice. > > Kevin > > ________________________________ > > Phil > > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > ==== >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > ==== >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > ==== > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From laurenh at gmail.com Sat Mar 26 23:11:43 2011 From: laurenh at gmail.com (Lauren Horn) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 14:11:43 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RE:Nakamichi 700 1975 model In-Reply-To: References: <201103251117.p2PB8SsX008995@zxe.naks.com> <500597.33598.qm@web120702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <0217E9C88D8C4648A494117ED772272965DF1F235B@LP-EXMBVS07.CO.IHC.COM> Message-ID: Ah! Muchas obligato. On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: > > He has a web site: http://www.willyhermannservices.com/ > > Aloha, > Cheryl > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Lauren Horn > Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:53 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE:Nakamichi 700 1975 model > > Does Willy have a web site or price list for what he has in stock? > > On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: >> You might want to consider contacting one of the folks on here who >> professionally rebuild Naks. >> I got my 682zx directly for Willy Hermann. It works perfectly, looks >> great, and it was cheaper than buying from ebay. >> >> Aloha, >> Cheryl >> ________________________________ >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >> Behalf Of Philip Stone >> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 7:14 AM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE:Nakamichi 700 1975 model >> >> That is good information thank you. I would love to find a ZXL local >> but the state I live in >> >> I have never seen one. I just can’t stand buying from the bay. Thinks >> are either broken during delivery >> >> Or they are not as advertised. >> >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> Phil >> >> >> >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >> Behalf Of Kevin Fetner >> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 8:19 AM >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] RE:Nakamichi 700 1975 model >> >> >> >> I have a RX-505 and love the deck. It's very cold and analytical >> however, so your source is important. It's also a mechanical marvel >> with lots of features. The 700ZXL as far as listening 'to', I think is >> a better deck-very warm and endearing. However, it's been a Problem >> Betty from the start of my ownership-even with Willy fixing it twice. >> >> Kevin >> >> ________________________________ >> >> Phil >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------===== >> ==== >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------===== >> ==== >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your >> account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------===== >> ==== >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account > here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Sun Mar 27 00:04:55 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 13:04:55 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] RE:Nakamichi 700 1975 model In-Reply-To: References: <201103251117.p2PB8SsX008995@zxe.naks.com><500597.33598.qm@web120702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com><0217E9C88D8C4648A494117ED772272965DF1F235B@LP-EXMBVS07.CO.IHC.COM> Message-ID: No problemo! :-) -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Lauren Horn Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 12:12 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE:Nakamichi 700 1975 model Ah! Muchas obligato. On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: > > He has a web site: http://www.willyhermannservices.com/ > > Aloha, > Cheryl > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf Of Lauren Horn > Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:53 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE:Nakamichi 700 1975 model > > Does Willy have a web site or price list for what he has in stock? > > On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: >> You might want to consider contacting one of the folks on here who >> professionally rebuild Naks. >> I got my 682zx directly for Willy Hermann. It works perfectly, looks >> great, and it was cheaper than buying from ebay. >> >> Aloha, >> Cheryl >> ________________________________ >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >> Behalf Of Philip Stone >> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 7:14 AM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE:Nakamichi 700 1975 model >> >> That is good information thank you. I would love to find a ZXL local >> but the state I live in >> >> I have never seen one. I just can’t stand buying from the bay. Thinks >> are either broken during delivery >> >> Or they are not as advertised. >> >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> Phil >> >> >> >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >> Behalf Of Kevin Fetner >> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 8:19 AM >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] RE:Nakamichi 700 1975 model >> >> >> >> I have a RX-505 and love the deck. It's very cold and analytical >> however, so your source is important. It's also a mechanical marvel >> with lots of features. The 700ZXL as far as listening 'to', I think >> is a better deck-very warm and endearing. However, it's been a >> Problem Betty from the start of my ownership-even with Willy fixing it twice. >> >> Kevin >> >> ________________________________ >> >> Phil >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== >> = >> ==== >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== >> = >> ==== >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your >> account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------==== >> = >> ==== >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > ==== >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > ==== >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > account > here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > ==== > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > ==== >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > ==== >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > ==== > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From shoeihell at yahoo.com Sat Mar 26 14:58:12 2011 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 06:58:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RE:Nakamichi 700 1975 model In-Reply-To: <201103261117.p2QB8SQV011820@zxe.naks.com> References: <201103261117.p2QB8SQV011820@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <810456.64463.qm@web120710.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> This is true about ebay.....sometimes you will find a deck that has been professionally serviced, but you'll pay dearly. Otherwise, expect problems, go for a much lower price and then off to a tech. With craigslist, you can at least see the deck and fool with it etc. Don't ever buy a RX-505 with the cassette bay window broken or missing....you'll never find one. Kevin ________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 11:13:31 -0600 From: Philip Stone Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE:Nakamichi 700 1975 model To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <0217E9C88D8C4648A494117ED772272965DF1F235B at LP-EXMBVS07.CO.IHC.COM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" That is good information thank you. I would love to find a ZXL local but the state I live in I have never seen one. I just can't stand buying from the bay. Thinks are either broken during delivery Or they are not as advertised. Thanks! Phil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From perry.nak at comcast.net Sun Mar 27 18:28:45 2011 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 16:28:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] Re: 7414 LDR progress on CR-7 In-Reply-To: <128601cbea41$25395800$6fac0800$@org> Message-ID: <1122476427.91756.1301243325375.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> OK, it turns out changing the LED dropping resistor, to increase the intensity made only small changes in the resistance and subsequent signal, so I tried my next idea, which was, since the output resistor is a simple voltage bridge, if I increase R119 from 30k ohm to say 47kohm, would this work enough to give me the voltage level I need. (Ron suggested the same thing, thanks!) It actually worked pretty well! Since the only time the resistance would be max, is when the fade is used, it would mean that I wouldn't get as even channel to channel fade, no big deal. Then I tried a test, that is not in the manual, which is to hit "Test"- "Min" and check that the two levels tracked each other OK. Not as close as I'd like to see, with around 167mV normal, and the corrected one only went to 200mV. Then I tried "Test" - "Max", and came up way short, normal is around 580mV and corrected one only went to 420mV, so I had greatly reduced span, vs the original, but then I also noticed something at max level. Right before my eyes, the level was dropping on that channel. In a matter of minutes I was down to 380mV. So apparantly, what I thought was drift at "Center" was actually a changing resistance on the LDR, with constant LED input, which meant either the LED was crapping out, or the LDR itself was. If the resistance can't be held steady for a set inout, then the LDR is useless, as that would mean a varying record gain during operation. CRAP! So, then I did some experimentation and long story short, turns out the only difference between a 7414 and 7214 is indeed the LED. I had another bad 7214 and dremeled off the 12V LED, and inserted a standard 2.4V red 3mm led, some epoxy, and voila, perfect 7414, with no drift and matching levels at Min, Center, Max. Back in business! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joyell.solie at sasktel.net Sun Mar 27 20:49:52 2011 From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 12:49:52 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: 7414 LDR progress on CR-7 References: <1122476427.91756.1301243325375.JavaMail.root@sz0163a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <001201cbecaf$c202dab0$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Way to go Perry! Excellent work! Cheers, Rainer ----- Original Message ----- From: perry.nak at comcast.net To: vulmet ; naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:28 AM Subject: [naktalk] Re: 7414 LDR progress on CR-7 OK, it turns out changing the LED dropping resistor, to increase the intensity made only small changes in the resistance and subsequent signal, so I tried my next idea, which was, since the output resistor is a simple voltage bridge, if I increase R119 from 30k ohm to say 47kohm, would this work enough to give me the voltage level I need. (Ron suggested the same thing, thanks!) It actually worked pretty well! Since the only time the resistance would be max, is when the fade is used, it would mean that I wouldn't get as even channel to channel fade, no big deal. Then I tried a test, that is not in the manual, which is to hit "Test"- "Min" and check that the two levels tracked each other OK. Not as close as I'd like to see, with around 167mV normal, and the corrected one only went to 200mV. Then I tried "Test" - "Max", and came up way short, normal is around 580mV and corrected one only went to 420mV, so I had greatly reduced span, vs the original, but then I also noticed something at max level. Right before my eyes, the level was dropping on that channel. In a matter of minutes I was down to 380mV. So apparantly, what I thought was drift at "Center" was actually a changing resistance on the LDR, with constant LED input, which meant either the LED was crapping out, or the LDR itself was. If the resistance can't be held steady for a set inout, then the LDR is useless, as that would mean a varying record gain during operation. CRAP! So, then I did some experimentation and long story short, turns out the only difference between a 7414 and 7214 is indeed the LED. I had another bad 7214 and dremeled off the 12V LED, and inserted a standard 2.4V red 3mm led, some epoxy, and voila, perfect 7414, with no drift and matching levels at Min, Center, Max. 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Perry Esposito - From my phone From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Mar 28 15:35:00 2011 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 06:35:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 7414-7214 LEDS In-Reply-To: <92752974-1301312669-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-133649155-@bda469.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <200303.31174.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Great Help to many service techs and DIY techs here in Naktalk - thanks Perry for posting this Also best wishes in your effort to substitute where part repalcement is difficult kannan --- On Mon, 3/28/11, perry.nak at comcast.net wrote: > From: perry.nak at comcast.net > Subject: [naktalk] 7414-7214 LEDS > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Monday, March 28, 2011, 7:44 AM > Since I hate when people don't give > specifics here are > The part numbers, all Mouser, I  used to replace the > leds > > > 3mm red leds are Mouser 604-WP71045RD5V > > 12v red 3mm are 696-LX3044ID-12V > > Clear LEDs for decks like Dragon that have bulbs for > counters are 593-VAOL-3LWY4 > > I use 3.9k to replace the flame resistor on the positive > side of the led. > > I hope this can save some other decks. > Perry Esposito - From my phone > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >           Also check out the wiki! > http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                 >         Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From s.manship at tiscali.co.uk Mon Mar 28 16:31:14 2011 From: s.manship at tiscali.co.uk (Stephen Manship) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 15:31:14 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Facebook Message-ID: <006101cbed54$cb2e3530$618a9f90$@manship@tiscali.co.uk> Hi all. Long-term lurker here, but very grateful for all the very informed discussions re. all things Nak. I am also an avid Facebook user and became a 'fan' of a Nak group a couple of years ago, which seemed to die a death. I would welcome a Facebook group and would certainly not see it as a replacement to this mailing list. It would more likely be a more light-hearted means of showing pictures of our beloved hardware and perhaps a means of meeting up for social evenings. I do think it should be a closed group though, as pictures of valuable hardware could be ceased upon by naughty people. All IMHO of course J -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Philip.Stone at imail.org Mon Mar 28 18:43:21 2011 From: Philip.Stone at imail.org (Philip Stone) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 10:43:21 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] RE:Nakamichi 700 1975 model In-Reply-To: <810456.64463.qm@web120710.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <201103261117.p2QB8SQV011820@zxe.naks.com> <810456.64463.qm@web120710.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0217E9C88D8C4648A494117ED772272965DF1F2A98@LP-EXMBVS07.CO.IHC.COM> That is great information. You know I should write to the folks that make turntable Covers and see if they can make a batch of those. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Fetner Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:58 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] RE:Nakamichi 700 1975 model This is true about ebay.....sometimes you will find a deck that has been professionally serviced, but you'll pay dearly. Otherwise, expect problems, go for a much lower price and then off to a tech. With craigslist, you can at least see the deck and fool with it etc. Don't ever buy a RX-505 with the cassette bay window broken or missing....you'll never find one. Kevin ________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 11:13:31 -0600 From: Philip Stone > Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE:Nakamichi 700 1975 model To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <0217E9C88D8C4648A494117ED772272965DF1F235B at LP-EXMBVS07.CO.IHC.COM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" That is good information thank you. I would love to find a ZXL local but the state I live in I have never seen one. I just can't stand buying from the bay. Thinks are either broken during delivery Or they are not as advertised. Thanks! Phil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Philip.Stone at imail.org Mon Mar 28 18:46:26 2011 From: Philip.Stone at imail.org (Philip Stone) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 10:46:26 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] RE:Nakamichi 700 1975 model In-Reply-To: References: <201103251117.p2PB8SsX008995@zxe.naks.com><500597.33598.qm@web120702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <0217E9C88D8C4648A494117ED772272965DF1F235B@LP-EXMBVS07.CO.IHC.COM> Message-ID: <0217E9C88D8C4648A494117ED772272965DF1F2AAE@LP-EXMBVS07.CO.IHC.COM> I will do that thanks! From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 12:11 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE:Nakamichi 700 1975 model You might want to consider contacting one of the folks on here who professionally rebuild Naks. I got my 682zx directly for Willy Hermann. It works perfectly, looks great, and it was cheaper than buying from ebay. Aloha, Cheryl ________________________________ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Philip Stone Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 7:14 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE:Nakamichi 700 1975 model That is good information thank you. I would love to find a ZXL local but the state I live in I have never seen one. I just can't stand buying from the bay. Thinks are either broken during delivery Or they are not as advertised. Thanks! Phil From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Fetner Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 8:19 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] RE:Nakamichi 700 1975 model I have a RX-505 and love the deck. It's very cold and analytical however, so your source is important. It's also a mechanical marvel with lots of features. The 700ZXL as far as listening 'to', I think is a better deck-very warm and endearing. However, it's been a Problem Betty from the start of my ownership-even with Willy fixing it twice. Kevin ________________________________ Phil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2011\2011-May.txt.txt ************************************************************************ From lenaw at flash.net Sun May 1 00:36:30 2011 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 15:36:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 In-Reply-To: References: <924013.77154.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48084.47203.qm@web112715.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <256522.46739.qm@web113206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <9A498AFC-0169-4D68-8679-D60CE65DCB4F@yahoo.com> <378799.53005.qm@web113212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <741025.82652.qm@web80208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Unfortunately there is so many ways to express what "in working order" mean in the real world. So I believe the best way is to ask questions before you bid. In this case you will get more chance to win in case of a dispute. I also got ripped off by buyer as well recently. The buyer even post a positive feedback before he post a credit card fraud to PayPal. Ebay needs buyers to make money so they have to protect the buyers  :O(( ________________________________ From: Fergus Cullen To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sat, April 30, 2011 8:30:29 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 I was ripped off by a buyer just before Christmas. It was considerable amount of money too and I wasn't even allowed the chance to prove my innocence. Unfortunately Ebay always sides with the buyer. At the same time I think if a seller says an item is 'in working order' it should work when it is received by the buyer. On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 2:26 AM, Rick >'} wrote: > You're receiving a refund from eBay yet you are broadcasting your > dissatisfaction on the message board - sounds like crying to me - and buyers > are always right on eBay? - I think not - been active on eBay for 15+ years > (active buyer and seller - small items to very high dollar) - buyers are not > always right - they can be deceptive also ... > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > If you want to improve, be content to be thought foolish and stupid > > Epictetus > > --------- > > Bad politicians are sent to Washington by good people who don't vote > > William E. Simon > > ________________________________ > From: Ram > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Fri, April 29, 2011 8:05:51 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 > > Hi Rick, > Please chill. No one here is complaining or crying!  I am getting my money > back and the other members here are just horrified by what I showed in a > photo I received. > If that seller had a little honesty he would not have sent the deck with all > the cobwebs and dog hair and what not in the well.....and not claimed that > it plays but at times rew and play stop. This deck was never played on in am > eon. No cassette could have played in it....they way I got it. > That's why I like eBay. Buyers are almost always right. > Rick, if you are going to justify the seller, I do not  know what to say > here! > Ram. > > > > On Apr 29, 2011, at 5:36 PM, "Rick >'}" wrote: > > I dont understand what all the fuss is about - the seller didnt offer a > warranty... you, compared to other units on eBay, "stole" the unit and now > you are unhappy - I mean, c'mon -- you are buying electronics from a seller > you dont know and .... buyer beware! - get over yourself - and guess what, > electronics do fail - all the time - you dont know if they knew all the > problems or not - stop crying. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Sun May 1 02:20:13 2011 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 17:20:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 In-Reply-To: References: <924013.77154.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48084.47203.qm@web112715.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <256522.46739.qm@web113206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <9A498AFC-0169-4D68-8679-D60CE65DCB4F@yahoo.com> <378799.53005.qm@web113212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <116393.25877.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >I'd be quite cautious before leaving negative feedback, they can do the same to >you, you know? No they can't.  On eBay sellers can only click the Positive feedback button or no feedback.  eBay took away the seller ability to click Negative or Neutral feedback.  Which really sucks.   ________________________________ From: Christian Thomas To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sat, April 30, 2011 6:27:18 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 I'd be quite cautious before leaving negative feedback, they can do the same to you, you know?  I tend to reserve -ve feedback (which in all other instances is a good thing ;) for when others obviously need warning. Christian On 30 April 2011 02:26, Rick >'} wrote: You're receiving a refund from eBay yet you are broadcasting your dissatisfaction on the message board - sounds like crying to me - and buyers are always right on eBay? - I think not - been active on eBay for 15+ years (active buyer and seller - small items to very high dollar) - buyers are not always right - they can be deceptive also ... > ___________________________________________________________________ > > >If you want to improve, be content to be thought foolish and stupid > > >Epictetus > > >--------- > > >Bad politicians are sent to Washington by good people who don't vote > > >William E. Simon > > > > > ________________________________ From: Ram > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Fri, April 29, 2011 8:05:51 PM > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 > > > >Hi Rick, > > >Please chill. No one here is complaining or crying!  I am getting my money back >and the other members here are just horrified by what I showed in a photo I >received. > > >If that seller had a little honesty he would not have sent the deck with all the >cobwebs and dog hair and what not in the well.....and not claimed that it plays >but at times rew and play stop. This deck was never played on in am eon. No >cassette could have played in it....they way I got it. > > >That's why I like eBay. Buyers are almost always right.  > > >Rick, if you are going to justify the seller, I do not  know what to say here! > > >Ram. > > > > >On Apr 29, 2011, at 5:36 PM, "Rick >'}" wrote: > > >I dont understand what all the fuss is about - the seller didnt offer a >warranty... you, compared to other units on eBay, "stole" the unit and now you >are unhappy - I mean, c'mon -- you are buying electronics from a seller you dont >know and .... buyer beware! - get over yourself - and guess what, electronics do >fail - all the time - you dont know if they knew all the problems or not - stop >crying. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Sun May 1 02:24:46 2011 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 17:24:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 In-Reply-To: References: <924013.77154.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48084.47203.qm@web112715.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <256522.46739.qm@web113206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <9A498AFC-0169-4D68-8679-D60CE65DCB4F@yahoo.com> <378799.53005.qm@web113212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <719979.72721.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> eBay/PayPal does not always side with the seller.  I had two disputes against me about a year ago, both for Stax earspeaker adapters by the way, and they sided with me, the seller, on one and sided with the buyer on the other.  I have no idea what I did right on the one I won and what I did wrong on the one I lost.  It seems to be completely random. ________________________________ From: Fergus Cullen To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sat, April 30, 2011 6:30:29 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 I was ripped off by a buyer just before Christmas. It was considerable amount of money too and I wasn't even allowed the chance to prove my innocence. Unfortunately Ebay always sides with the buyer. At the same time I think if a seller says an item is 'in working order' it should work when it is received by the buyer. On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 2:26 AM, Rick >'} wrote: > You're receiving a refund from eBay yet you are broadcasting your > dissatisfaction on the message board - sounds like crying to me - and buyers > are always right on eBay? - I think not - been active on eBay for 15+ years > (active buyer and seller - small items to very high dollar) - buyers are not > always right - they can be deceptive also ... > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > If you want to improve, be content to be thought foolish and stupid > > Epictetus > > --------- > > Bad politicians are sent to Washington by good people who don't vote > > William E. Simon > > ________________________________ > From: Ram > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Fri, April 29, 2011 8:05:51 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 > > Hi Rick, > Please chill. No one here is complaining or crying!  I am getting my money > back and the other members here are just horrified by what I showed in a > photo I received. > If that seller had a little honesty he would not have sent the deck with all > the cobwebs and dog hair and what not in the well.....and not claimed that > it plays but at times rew and play stop. This deck was never played on in am > eon. No cassette could have played in it....they way I got it. > That's why I like eBay. Buyers are almost always right. > Rick, if you are going to justify the seller, I do not  know what to say > here! > Ram. > > > > On Apr 29, 2011, at 5:36 PM, "Rick >'}" wrote: > > I dont understand what all the fuss is about - the seller didnt offer a > warranty... you, compared to other units on eBay, "stole" the unit and now > you are unhappy - I mean, c'mon -- you are buying electronics from a seller > you dont know and .... buyer beware! - get over yourself - and guess what, > electronics do fail - all the time - you dont know if they knew all the > problems or not - stop crying. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sun May 1 04:14:04 2011 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (Ram) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 22:14:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Repair service in Chicago? In-Reply-To: References: <11055.78940.qm@web83714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <3E03BCDF-7B1F-4DCD-8821-F710644C7542@peromarta.org> Message-ID: Thanks Willy. I happen to own the 801 and the 802 series 3 monitors and have for the past 16 years or so but did not have a clue about the facts you mentioned. A nice history lesson! Ram. On Apr 30, 2011, at 5:00 PM, Willy Hermann wrote: > Don't confuse the two companies - it's easy to do. B&W loudspeakers is a manufacturing concern. They have factories in Worthing England and in China as well as a research facility in Steyning England. They don't fix Nakamichis. John Bowers and Roy Wilkins started a hifi shop in the late 50's in Worthing. John got interested in speakers and began making his own. This eventually became his passion and he left the retail business. It's that retail business which is now repairing Nakamichi. John Bowers ran B&W (any ran it very well) for many years. He died in the early 90's and Joe Atkins bought the company. Joe also owns Classe Audio and Rotel. For years the speakers were only called B&W and the shop was only called Bowers and Wilkins. The two web sites now are bowersandwilkins.co.uk and bowers-wilkins.com or bwspeakers.com . > > Willy > > On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 4:10 AM, Guy Facey wrote: > Wow, amazing > I upgraded my wife's old B&W DM5s 2 years ago (she'd had them since about 1980 - we've been together since 1982 - and the rubber surrounding the cone had gone) for some new B&Ws, in fact we pushed the boat out and bought surround sound all in B&W (meant I couldn't afford the front pair I wanted, but hey). > So that's a really nice surprise, means I'll have to visit B&W this summer, just looked at the web site and it's v encouraging. > Thanks > Guy > > On 29 April 2011 18:16, Luis Peromarta Regert wrote: > B&W are your friends. They read this list so probably will conatct you off list. > > http://www.bowersandwilkins.co.uk/nakamichi%20home.html > > Best rgds, LP. > > > > El 29/04/2011, a las 05:31, Guy Facey escribió: > > > I live in Hong Kong but travel each year to England. 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URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Sun May 1 05:01:59 2011 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 20:01:59 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 582 bulbs In-Reply-To: References: <924013.77154.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48084.47203.qm@web112715.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <256522.46739.qm@web113206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <9A498AFC-0169-4D68-8679-D60CE65DCB4F@yahoo.com> <378799.53005.qm@web113212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Some of the pundits may disagree with me, but Dave is unquestionably the #1 "lamp guy". He is to lamps what Marrs is to Nak belts. He sells very high quality lamps, including odd values, and *he tests every one before shipping.* http://home.earthlink.net/~dwojo/index.html Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 7:00 AM, Vyju wrote: > Hi, > > I picked up a Nakamichi 582 deck recently.I have serviced the deck and > replaced all the belts with replacements from Marrs Communications . > > The deck works fine but all the small bulbs on the control > buttons(play,FF,Rew etc ) have failed.Only the green light on the stop > button works. > > I would like to replace the bulbs,can someone tell me a source for these > bulbs? > > Regards > Rajiv > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lporretta at shaw.ca Sun May 1 00:09:55 2011 From: lporretta at shaw.ca (LUIS PORRETTA) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 15:09:55 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 In-Reply-To: References: <924013.77154.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48084.47203.qm@web112715.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <256522.46739.qm@web113206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <9A498AFC-0169-4D68-8679-D60CE65DCB4F@yahoo.com> <378799.53005.qm@web113212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Another issue to be aware of is that regardless of the text in your ebay advertisement, Paypal will always find in favor of the buyer if they complain about the item received. I sold an amplifier a few months ago described in the advertisement as 'being sold 'as is', not tested so no returns...please bid accordingly". The eBay dolt (and they are not uncommon) received the amp and it worked, though one of the meter lights was not working. He demanded his cash back. I called Paypal and they looked through the advertisement as we spoke. They agreed that the client got exactly what was described, but said that REGARDLESS of the description in the text, for the sake of their customer relations they will ALWAYS find against the seller. They do not want to lose trade either and will protect their interests by whetever means is legally allowed to them. Ebay painted a target on the back of its its sellers couple of years ago when it revoked a sellers ability to warn potential buyers of dangerous clients by removing a their right to leave any feedback whatsoever. Buyers will always have a 100% positive feedback. Sellers are in open season. Luis Porretta > I was ripped off by a buyer just before Christmas. It was considerable > amount of money too and I wasn't even allowed the chance to > prove my > innocence. Unfortunately Ebay always sides with the buyer. At > the same > time I think if a seller says an item is 'in working order' it should > work when it is received by the buyer. > > > > On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 2:26 AM, Rick >'} > wrote: > > You're receiving a refund from eBay yet you are broadcasting your > > dissatisfaction on the message board - sounds like crying to > me - and buyers > > are always right on eBay? - I think not - been active on eBay > for 15+ years > > (active buyer and seller - small items to very high dollar) - > buyers are not > > always right - they can be deceptive also ... > > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spacepup at hotmail.com Sun May 1 00:23:00 2011 From: spacepup at hotmail.com (Sean Reid) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 18:23:00 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 In-Reply-To: References: <924013.77154.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, <48084.47203.qm@web112715.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, , , <256522.46739.qm@web113206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <9A498AFC-0169-4D68-8679-D60CE65DCB4F@yahoo.com>, <378799.53005.qm@web113212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, Message-ID: I'm just a noob here, but I'd like to throw my 2 cents in. This whole topic is very subjective, and based on each person's experience. For myself, eBay and PayPal have never been a help when trying to get refunded on purchases that didn't work out. Sellers have sent me items that flat out did not work, then offered insulting "refunds" (one that didn't even cover the ridiculously inflated shipping charge... charged me $15, the package shows up, shipping was closer to $4). Somehow eBay didn't see that as a problem, and I was basically told "oh well, tough luck". I totally agree that it's a resonable expectation that an item function as it should when you receive it, unless it's sold as parts or for repair, otherwise why would you want to buy it in the first place? But results definitely vary when it comes to Buyers being right all the time... maybe it's just my luck... > Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 14:30:29 +0100 > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 > From: fergus.cullen at gmail.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > > I was ripped off by a buyer just before Christmas. It was considerable > amount of money too and I wasn't even allowed the chance to prove my > innocence. Unfortunately Ebay always sides with the buyer. At the same > time I think if a seller says an item is 'in working order' it should > work when it is received by the buyer. > > > > On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 2:26 AM, Rick >'} wrote: > > You're receiving a refund from eBay yet you are broadcasting your > > dissatisfaction on the message board - sounds like crying to me - and buyers > > are always right on eBay? - I think not - been active on eBay for 15+ years > > (active buyer and seller - small items to very high dollar) - buyers are not > > always right - they can be deceptive also ... > > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > > > If you want to improve, be content to be thought foolish and stupid > > > > Epictetus > > > > --------- > > > > Bad politicians are sent to Washington by good people who don't vote > > > > William E. Simon > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Ram > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Sent: Fri, April 29, 2011 8:05:51 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 > > > > Hi Rick, > > Please chill. No one here is complaining or crying! I am getting my money > > back and the other members here are just horrified by what I showed in a > > photo I received. > > If that seller had a little honesty he would not have sent the deck with all > > the cobwebs and dog hair and what not in the well.....and not claimed that > > it plays but at times rew and play stop. This deck was never played on in am > > eon. No cassette could have played in it....they way I got it. > > That's why I like eBay. Buyers are almost always right. > > Rick, if you are going to justify the seller, I do not know what to say > > here! > > Ram. > > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 2011, at 5:36 PM, "Rick >'}" wrote: > > > > I dont understand what all the fuss is about - the seller didnt offer a > > warranty... you, compared to other units on eBay, "stole" the unit and now > > you are unhappy - I mean, c'mon -- you are buying electronics from a seller > > you dont know and .... buyer beware! - get over yourself - and guess what, > > electronics do fail - all the time - you dont know if they knew all the > > problems or not - stop crying. > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fgiddi at windstream.net Sun May 1 01:18:51 2011 From: fgiddi at windstream.net (Fran Giddinmgs) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 19:18:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 582 bulbs In-Reply-To: References: <924013.77154.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com><48084.47203.qm@web112715.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><256522.46739.qm@web113206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><9A498AFC-0169-4D68-8679-D60CE65DCB4F@yahoo.com> <378799.53005.qm@web113212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4DBC98DB.4050001@windstream.net> On 4/30/2011 10:00 AM, Vyju wrote: > Hi, > I picked up a Nakamichi 582 deck recently.I have serviced the deck and > replaced all the belts with replacements from Marrs Communications . > The deck works fine but all the small bulbs on the control > buttons(play,FF,Rew etc ) have failed.Only the green light on the stop > button works. > I would like to replace the bulbs,can someone tell me a source for > these bulbs? > Regards > Rajiv > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Any deck that I plan on keeping or receiver whatever I try to replace bulbs with leds, there is the matter of installing a resistor in line with the led to drop the required voltage so that your led has between 3 to 5 volts. 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URL: From columbiafl2000 at yahoo.com Sun May 1 04:32:00 2011 From: columbiafl2000 at yahoo.com (Rick >'}) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 19:32:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 In-Reply-To: <741025.82652.qm@web80208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <924013.77154.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48084.47203.qm@web112715.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <256522.46739.qm@web113206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <9A498AFC-0169-4D68-8679-D60CE65DCB4F@yahoo.com> <378799.53005.qm@web113212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <741025.82652.qm@web80208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <719322.85689.qm@web113214.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Lena - correct - the buyer MUST ask lots of questions if they have concerns or the ad isnt incredibly clear (this ad stated NO REFUNDS, so, regardless of what they FEEL the ad stated/implied, the buyer is RIPPING OFF THE SELLER due to the no refund policy stated --- the buyer has complete control over how much they are willing to pay - that is what makes it an auction - for eBay to so haphazardly defend the buyer and give the money back so freely via PayPal is criminal - an eBay auction is no different than purchasing at a local auction when you bid on items (or, when you purchase via Craigslist/garage sale - if you do NOT insist they show you the electronic is in working order, then, you get full responsibility) - the buyer, in this case, has a history of purchasing lots of electronics via eBay and is experienced with Nak - it's still just a case of sour grapes since his "find at such a great price" isnt what he expected - and those, like us who sell on eBay, get the short end of the stick with buyers such as Ram.  ___________________________________________________________________ If you want to improve, be content to be thought foolish and stupid Epictetus --------- Bad politicians are sent to Washington by good people who don't vote William E. Simon ________________________________ From: LENA WONG To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sat, April 30, 2011 6:36:30 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 Unfortunately there is so many ways to express what "in working order" mean in the real world. So I believe the best way is to ask questions before you bid. In this case you will get more chance to win in case of a dispute. I also got ripped off by buyer as well recently. The buyer even post a positive feedback before he post a credit card fraud to PayPal. Ebay needs buyers to make money so they have to protect the buyers  :O(( ________________________________ From: Fergus Cullen To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sat, April 30, 2011 8:30:29 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 I was ripped off by a buyer just before Christmas. It was considerable amount of money too and I wasn't even allowed the chance to prove my innocence. Unfortunately Ebay always sides with the buyer. At the same time I think if a seller says an item is 'in working order' it should work when it is received by the buyer. On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 2:26 AM, Rick >'} wrote: > You're receiving a refund from eBay yet you are broadcasting your > dissatisfaction on the message board - sounds like crying to me - and buyers > are always right on eBay? - I think not - been active on eBay for 15+ years > (active buyer and seller - small items to very high dollar) - buyers are not > always right - they can be deceptive also ... > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > If you want to improve, be content to be thought foolish and stupid > > Epictetus > > --------- > > Bad politicians are sent to Washington by good people who don't vote > > William E. Simon > > ________________________________ > From: Ram > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Fri, April 29, 2011 8:05:51 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 > > Hi Rick, > Please chill. No one here is complaining or crying!  I am getting my money > back and the other members here are just horrified by what I showed in a > photo I received. > If that seller had a little honesty he would not have sent the deck with all > the cobwebs and dog hair and what not in the well.....and not claimed that > it plays but at times rew and play stop. This deck was never played on in am > eon. No cassette could have played in it....they way I got it. > That's why I like eBay. Buyers are almost always right. > Rick, if you are going to justify the seller, I do not  know what to say > here! > Ram. > > > > On Apr 29, 2011, at 5:36 PM, "Rick >'}" wrote: > > I dont understand what all the fuss is about - the seller didnt offer a > warranty... you, compared to other units on eBay, "stole" the unit and now > you are unhappy - I mean, c'mon -- you are buying electronics from a seller > you dont know and .... buyer beware! - get over yourself - and guess what, > electronics do fail - all the time - you dont know if they knew all the > problems or not - stop crying. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spacepup at hotmail.com Sun May 1 05:40:46 2011 From: spacepup at hotmail.com (Sean Reid) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 23:40:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] peculiar issue with LX-5 In-Reply-To: <942372.9284.qm@web112711.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: , <942372.9284.qm@web112711.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi again everyone, Seeing as you were so helpful, so quickly with my last query, here comes another :) A year or two back, I bought a re-conditioned LX-5 from Vlad in TX. The unit is beautiful, sounds amazing, records equally well. It's really lovely, and Vlad did a great job on it. It, however, has one strange quirk, that neither he, nor I, could really find any reason for. It seems that this deck "doesn't like" one particular type of cassette... and it's not that it won't play it, or record on it, or anything like that... read on... When I insert the tape, and close the tray, i can play or fast-forward to my heart's content. But when it comes time to rewind, it's like the rewind take up spindle isn't long enough to reach the hub on the cassette... as a result, it spins freely, and just barely touches the hub on the cassette, resulting in what was initially a very disturbing grindy noise (once i figured out it wasn't the deck making the noise, i calmed down significantly). I can actually stick my finger through the window in the faceplate, apply some pressure on the left side of the cassette shell, then it will "hook up" and rewind. Now, the obvious easy solution is not to use that brand of tape in the player, but I'd just bought 5 boxes of them, and I don't really want to see them go to waste. Any ideas? I'd love to hear them :) Sean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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One instance was for a Naktalk member( Hope you are still here with us)  about 3 years ago, who claimed he had not received  the full complement of tapes he bought!( Bought two and received one ten pack) I have even won a case on ebay where an item was sold as not working and the buyer filed a complaint. Honesty is the best policy for buying or selling anything anywhere/ Regards, Ram. --- On Sat, 4/30/11, Scott Johnson wrote: From: Scott Johnson Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Saturday, April 30, 2011, 8:24 PM eBay/PayPal does not always side with the seller.  I had two disputes against me about a year ago, both for Stax earspeaker adapters by the way, and they sided with me, the seller, on one and sided with the buyer on the other.  I have no idea what I did right on the one I won and what I did wrong on the one I lost.  It seems to be completely random. From: Fergus Cullen To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sat, April 30, 2011 6:30:29 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 I was ripped off by a buyer just before Christmas. It was considerable amount of money too and I wasn't even allowed the chance to prove my innocence. Unfortunately Ebay always sides with the buyer. At the same time I think if a seller says an item is 'in working order' it should work when it is received by the buyer. On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 2:26 AM, Rick >'} wrote: > You're receiving a refund from eBay yet you are broadcasting your > dissatisfaction on the message board - sounds like crying to me - and buyers > are always right on eBay? - I think not - been active on eBay for 15+ years > (active buyer and seller - small items to very high dollar) - buyers are not > always right - they can be deceptive also ... > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > If you want to improve, be content to be thought foolish and stupid > > Epictetus > > --------- > > Bad politicians are sent to Washington by good people who don't vote > > William E. Simon > > ________________________________ > From: Ram > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Fri, April 29, 2011 8:05:51 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 > > Hi Rick, > Please chill. No one here is complaining or crying!  I am getting my money > back and the other members here are just horrified by what I showed in a > photo I received. > If that seller had a little honesty he would not have sent the deck with all > the cobwebs and dog hair and what not in the well.....and not claimed that > it plays but at times rew and play stop. This deck was never played on in am > eon. No cassette could have played in it....they way I got it. > That's why I like eBay. Buyers are almost always right. > Rick, if you are going to justify the seller, I do not  know what to say > here! > Ram. > > > > On Apr 29, 2011, at 5:36 PM, "Rick >'}" wrote: > > I dont understand what all the fuss is about - the seller didnt offer a > warranty... you, compared to other units on eBay, "stole" the unit and now > you are unhappy - I mean, c'mon -- you are buying electronics from a seller > you dont know and .... buyer beware! - get over yourself - and guess what, > electronics do fail - all the time - you dont know if they knew all the > problems or not - stop crying. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Sun May 1 17:14:28 2011 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 07:14:28 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] peculiar issue with LX-5 In-Reply-To: References: <942372.9284.qm@web112711.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: That problem is caused by a small split in the end of the outer supply hub shaft. The cogs on the hubs are pushed forward by springs so that if they mis-align when you load a tape, as soon as the machine begins to turn the cog will engage the tapes hub. When the end splits the shaft widens a bit and prevents the cog from traveling all the way to the end of the shaft. The fix I've come up with is to remove the cog and shaft, then carefully file off a bit of each of the six sides of the shaft. The split is still there but the shaft will no longer bind the cog and it will engage the tape properly. Best of luck. Willy On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 7:40 PM, Sean Reid wrote: > Hi again everyone, > > Seeing as you were so helpful, so quickly with my last query, here comes > another :) > > A year or two back, I bought a re-conditioned LX-5 from Vlad in TX. The > unit is beautiful, sounds amazing, records equally well. It's really > lovely, and Vlad did a great job on it. It, however, has one strange quirk, > that neither he, nor I, could really find any reason for. It seems that > this deck "doesn't like" one particular type of cassette... and it's not > that it won't play it, or record on it, or anything like that... read on... > > When I insert the tape, and close the tray, i can play or fast-forward to > my heart's content. But when it comes time to rewind, it's like the rewind > take up spindle isn't long enough to reach the hub on the cassette... as a > result, it spins freely, and just barely touches the hub on the cassette, > resulting in what was initially a very disturbing grindy noise (once i > figured out it wasn't the deck making the noise, i calmed down > significantly). I can actually stick my finger through the window in the > faceplate, apply some pressure on the left side of the cassette shell, then > it will "hook up" and rewind. > > Now, the obvious easy solution is not to use that brand of tape in the > player, but I'd just bought 5 boxes of them, and I don't really want to see > them go to waste. > > Any ideas? 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URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Sun May 1 19:45:11 2011 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 10:45:11 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 582 bulbs In-Reply-To: References: <924013.77154.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48084.47203.qm@web112715.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <256522.46739.qm@web113206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <9A498AFC-0169-4D68-8679-D60CE65DCB4F@yahoo.com> <378799.53005.qm@web113212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: LED's vary in their operating voltage. For example, common red and green LED's require approximately 2 volts. The less-common white and blue LED's take about 4-5 volts. Current is typically 10mA. An LED will replace a point-source incandescent indicator lamp with no trouble. The only problem is finding where to mount the outboard series dropping resistor, since the original lamp generally uses 4-10 more volts than the LED requires. I have seen literally hundreds of instances where this resistor has been installed in a manner that looks tacky, and presents some hazard to surrounding circuitry -- or where the value of resistor chosen is technically incorrect, resulting in damage to the LED. LED's are a poor choice for the ubiquitous "fuse type" lamps used in the radio dials of vintage stereo and quad receivers. Since they are point sources, and fuse-type lamps generate an emission >.5" long, many "upgrades" from fuse-lamps to LED's result in an unpleasant fence-post effect, in which the light and dark spots alternate across the dial. At my shop, I've had to "undo" a few "upgrades" because the LED's were so ugly. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 7:00 AM, Vyju wrote: > Hi, > > I picked up a Nakamichi 582 deck recently.I have serviced the deck and > replaced all the belts with replacements from Marrs Communications . > > The deck works fine but all the small bulbs on the control > buttons(play,FF,Rew etc ) have failed.Only the green light on the stop > button works. > > I would like to replace the bulbs,can someone tell me a source for these > bulbs? > > Regards > Rajiv > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ziomaury at teletu.it Sun May 1 11:54:53 2011 From: ziomaury at teletu.it (ziomaury) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 11:54:53 +0200 Subject: R: R: R: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor In-Reply-To: <567174.77332.qm@web130107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <266156.89238.qm@web130107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <443323.39599.qm@web130104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <003f01cc05a2$b4560980$1d021c80$@teletu.it> <567174.77332.qm@web130107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003c01cc07e5$d39e1680$7ada4380$@teletu.it> Many thanks, Ron. I’ll notify you when done and about the result. Best regards, Maurizio Da: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Per conto di Ron Inviato: sabato 30 aprile 2011 20:37 A: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Oggetto: Re: R: R: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor Maurizio, Removing the reel motor is not very difficult. However, there are three tricky steps in the description below (7, 8 and 10) that are a bit tricky, so be careful. In the list of steps below, 'top' or 'right' refer to the deck normal orientation, as seen from the front. Also, numbers following part names refer to the designation numbers from Fig. 6.5, page 18 of the CR-7 service manual. I'll appreciate any comments/corrections/observations you may wish to make. So, here's how I do it: 1. Remove top cover. How: remove two screws, 2 on each side. 2. Remove cassette well door. 3. Remove front part of the cassette case (24). How: remove 2 black countersunk head screws on the left. Hold the left side and pull forward and to the left to disengage. Note location of the spring on the left plastic bracket and make sure it's correctly positioned prior to reassembly 4. Remove the cassette back plate. How: remove 2 black screws from the top of the plate. The plate fits into slots in the cassette guides at the bottom of the well. Pull the top of the plate forward and up to disengage. 5. Remove the left hub. How: press down on the hub. This exposes a 3.2mm plastic washer -- pull it off, then remove the hub, a metal washer, a plastic spring holder and a spring, in this order. 6. In a similar fashion, remove the right hub. 7. The reel motor plate is held by 2 screws and a nut, all accessible from the rear. For now, remove the upper left screw and loosen (do not remove) the 4mm nut. You may use a 5/32" nut driver.The plate and motor will remain in place. 8. Mark the positive terminal of the reel motor with a dab of red paint, if not already so marked. Unsolder the motor leads. 9. Dismount the capstan motor. It is held in place by 4 screws, all accessible from the front. How: put a piece of plastic sleeving on each capstan, for protection. Manually lift the head block as far as it will go and use a strong rubber band hooked to the post at the top to keep it in place. Top left screw is located under the left hub hole, a bit to the left. Top right screw is located about 1/2" above the right cassette guide. Lower right screw is located under the right pinch roller. Lower left screw is located under and to the left of the left pinch roller. Its head will be hidden under a segment of an L bracket (16). To expose the head (partially), push the L bracket segment down. Use a thin Philips #1 screwdriver. Once the capstan motor standoff is free, release the L bracket. This will keep the screw captive, so it will not fall out. 10. Remove the reel motor plate with the reel motor attached. How: Move the capstan motor back so as to permit access to the lower screw holding the reel motor plate in place. Use a right angle Philips #1 screwdriver. Loosen the screw (do not remove). 11. Replace reel motor. 12. Reassemble in reverse order. Good luck, -- Ron _____ From: Ziomaury To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thu, April 28, 2011 8:49:25 AM Subject: R: R: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor Hallo Ron. I’ve found a technical lab that repair hi-fi equipments. They’re able to remove the reel motor and replace the arm but, if it’s not too much trouble for you, the best is that you send me the instruction about this. I’m sorry to bother you. Thanks and regards, Maurizio Da: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Per conto di Ron Inviato: giovedì 21 aprile 2011 16:38 A: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Oggetto: Re: R: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor > ... another way to replace the arm of idler tire without remove the reel motor? Not that I know of. There isn't enough room to work on the motor when it's installed in the deck. BTW, your English is fine. -- Ron _____ From: Ziomaury To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thu, April 21, 2011 3:40:04 AM Subject: R: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor Hallo Ron, Thanks for your explanation. I’m agree with you about that remove the reel motor is very difficult. There’s another way to replace the arm of idler tire without remove the reel motor? Thanks and regards, Maurizio P.S. Sorry for my English (very basic!) Da: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Per conto di Ron Inviato: mercoledì 20 aprile 2011 22:25 A: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Oggetto: Re: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor Maurizio, Removing the reel motor is a comparatively big job. Some people prefer to remove the transport form the deck. Personally, I prefer to do it in the deck. In any case, it's an elaborate job. If you've never done it, it's not a good idea to learn on your own CR07 :-). I highly recommend you have it done by a professional. If you insist on doing it yourself anyway, please let me now and I'll post instructions. Good luck, -- Ron From: Ziomaury < ziomaury at teletu.it> To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wed, April 20, 2011 10:24:18 AM Subject: [naktalk] How to remove the complete reel motor Hallo. I’ve tried to replace the idle tire on a CR7-E but unfortunately I’ve break the plastic idle arm. To replace the arm I think that the best is remove the complete reel motor. I don’t understand how I must do it. Can somebody help me about this? Many thanks. Maurizio -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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He sells very high quality lamps, including odd values, and he tests every one before shipping. http://home.earthlink.net/~dwojo/index.html Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 7:00 AM, Vyju wrote: Hi, I picked up a Nakamichi 582 deck recently.I have serviced the deck and replaced all the belts with replacements from Marrs Communications . The deck works fine but all the small bulbs on the control buttons(play,FF,Rew etc ) have failed.Only the green light on the stop button works. I would like to replace the bulbs,can someone tell me a source for these bulbs? 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I happen to own the 801 and the 802 series 3 monitors and have for the past 16 years or so but did not have a clue about the facts you mentioned. A nice history lesson! Ram. On Apr 30, 2011, at 5:00 PM, Willy Hermann wrote: Don't confuse the two companies - it's easy to do.  B&W loudspeakers is a manufacturing concern.  They have factories in Worthing England and in China as well as a research facility in Steyning England.  They don't fix Nakamichis.  John Bowers and Roy Wilkins started a hifi shop in the late 50's in Worthing.  John got interested in speakers and began making his own.  This eventually became his passion and he left the retail business.  It's that retail business which is now repairing Nakamichi.  John Bowers ran B&W (any ran it very well) for many years.  He died in the early 90's and Joe Atkins bought the company.  Joe also owns Classe Audio and Rotel.  For years the speakers were only called B&W and the shop was only called Bowers and Wilkins.  The two web sites now are bowersandwilkins.co.uk and bowers-wilkins.com or bwspeakers.com . > > >Willy > > >On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 4:10 AM, Guy Facey wrote: > >Wow, amazing >>I upgraded my wife's old B&W DM5s 2 years ago (she'd had them since about 1980 - >>we've been together since 1982 - and the rubber surrounding the cone had gone) >>for some new B&Ws, in fact we pushed the boat out and bought surround sound all >>in B&W (meant I couldn't afford the front pair I wanted, but hey). >>So that's a really nice surprise, means I'll have to visit B&W this summer, just >>looked at the web site and it's v encouraging. >>Thanks >>Guy >> >> >>On 29 April 2011 18:16, Luis Peromarta Regert wrote: >> >>B&W are your friends. They read this list so probably will conatct you off >list. >>> >>>http://www.bowersandwilkins.co.uk/nakamichi%20home.html >>> >>>Best rgds, LP. >>> >>> >>> >>>El 29/04/2011, a las 05:31, Guy Facey escribió: >>> >>> >>>> I live in Hong Kong but travel each year to England. 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When I insert the tape, and close the tray, i can play or fast-forward to my heart's content.  But when it comes time to rewind, it's like the rewind take up spindle isn't long enough to reach the hub on the cassette... as a result, it spins freely, and just barely touches the hub on the cassette, resulting in what was initially a very disturbing grindy noise (once i figured out it wasn't the deck making the noise, i calmed down significantly).  I can actually stick my finger through the window in the faceplate, apply some pressure on the left side of the cassette shell, then it will "hook up" and rewind. Now, the obvious easy solution is not to use that brand of tape in the player, but I'd just bought 5 boxes of them,  and I don't really want to see them go to waste. 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URL: From lporretta at shaw.ca Sun May 1 17:29:07 2011 From: lporretta at shaw.ca (Luis Porretta) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 08:29:07 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 In-Reply-To: <347814.69283.qm@web112717.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <719979.72721.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <347814.69283.qm@web112717.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007d01cc0814$832f6030$898e2090$@ca> Ram, <> I am not in the least surprised. <> I am astonished, though if this occurred a few years ago when eBay was more reasonable about these things it would make more sense. I lost a case (as I have already described) recently where I sold something as not working and the buyer complained. As I noted PayPal told me that regardless of what a seller writes in their description PayPal will always find against a seller in these circumstances as they also have to protect their business interests. In all fairness, they were sympathetic, but that was that. Another scam that is growing in popularity on eBay as buyers become aware of the fact that sellers have little recourse against them, is claiming not to have received a package. There was a time that PayPal would find for the seller if a tracking number could be provided. They have now changed this policy also. They will only find in favour of the seller if there is a signature proving receipt at the other end. To ensure that a seller is covered by PayPal a seller MUST have a signature as well as a tracking number to prove delivery. Just for the record, I was eBay's 125'th sign on and on their advisory committee way back when. I was originally very excited about the concept of eBay. It was a business of the people, by the people, but as the corporate screws tightened around its throat it has become another monstrous corporate juggernaut. Attempting to pretend otherwise, John Donahue, CEO of eBay recently referred to eBay sellers as 'his children', a patronizing phrase that sums up much of the modern ethos of eBay. Luis Honesty is the best policy for buying or selling anything anywhere/ Regards, Ram. --- On Sat, 4/30/11, Scott Johnson wrote: From: Scott Johnson Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Saturday, April 30, 2011, 8:24 PM eBay/PayPal does not always side with the seller. I had two disputes against me about a year ago, both for Stax earspeaker adapters by the way, and they sided with me, the seller, on one and sided with the buyer on the other. I have no idea what I did right on the one I won and what I did wrong on the one I lost. It seems to be completely random. _____ From: Fergus Cullen To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sat, April 30, 2011 6:30:29 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 I was ripped off by a buyer just before Christmas. It was considerable amount of money too and I wasn't even allowed the chance to prove my innocence. Unfortunately Ebay always sides with the buyer. At the same time I think if a seller says an item is 'in working order' it should work when it is received by the buyer. On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 2:26 AM, Rick >'} wrote: > You're receiving a refund from eBay yet you are broadcasting your > dissatisfaction on the message board - sounds like crying to me - and buyers > are always right on eBay? - I think not - been active on eBay for 15+ years > (active buyer and seller - small items to very high dollar) - buyers are not > always right - they can be deceptive also ... > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > If you want to improve, be content to be thought foolish and stupid > > Epictetus > > --------- > > Bad politicians are sent to Washington by good people who don't vote > > William E. Simon > > ________________________________ > From: Ram > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Fri, April 29, 2011 8:05:51 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 > > Hi Rick, > Please chill. No one here is complaining or crying! I am getting my money > back and the other members here are just horrified by what I showed in a > photo I received. > If that seller had a little honesty he would not have sent the deck with all > the cobwebs and dog hair and what not in the well.....and not claimed that > it plays but at times rew and play stop. This deck was never played on in am > eon. No cassette could have played in it....they way I got it. > That's why I like eBay. Buyers are almost always right. > Rick, if you are going to justify the seller, I do not know what to say > here! > Ram. > > > > On Apr 29, 2011, at 5:36 PM, "Rick >'}" wrote: > > I dont understand what all the fuss is about - the seller didnt offer a > warranty... you, compared to other units on eBay, "stole" the unit and now > you are unhappy - I mean, c'mon -- you are buying electronics from a seller > you dont know and .... buyer beware! - get over yourself - and guess what, > electronics do fail - all the time - you dont know if they knew all the > problems or not - stop crying. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Sun May 1 17:38:23 2011 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 08:38:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 99, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: <201105011307.p41CwQDH010736@zxe.naks.com> References: <201105011307.p41CwQDH010736@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <546807.39816.qm@web120718.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Ram, Rick is trying to paint you as an obscene buyer. Obviously he has issues on ebay from a seller's viewpoint and I think you were squarely within your right to complain about the Nak deck. You didn't "steal" anything, as you can't predict what the final auction price will be....it might have been several times that and has everything to do with the seller's language about a working deck in the auction. Many of us know this language and have bought items that couldn't have possibly worked in yrs. Call it what you want, but I call it lying/misrepresenting/fraud. ebay chose to end the feedback wars between buyers & sellers by favoring the buyers. They probably could have made a more equitable solution, but this is what they chose and what we live with. Frankly, the buyer/seller wars were a disgrace to humanity with both sides distorting facts and it became a junkyard dogfight just to buy/sell anything vintage. We even argued about it here before ebay changed their policy. As a seller now, you have to put many disclaimers into your auction.....even warn against trying to do something illegal/unethical as a buyer. It's all you can do. Personally, I quit selling because I knew it was a matter of time before some nutcase would destroy my 100% rating. When you don't have the high numbers as a seller, even one "sour grape" can torpedo your rating. I had two sales go bad in the last yr with broken or misrepresented items. I was very careful what I said to the seller in both cases and always made sure I used ebay's 'response' system, so everything was documented. Both sellers threatened to blackmark me and win in the disputes-one even said they were going 'to teach me a lesson'. Both lost primarily because of the language they used in their ebay responses. And PayPal came through with the money part both times. One seller wanted the item back, the other not. I don't remember exactly, but one seller did manage to blackmark me by posting a comment somewhere....ebay caught it, removed the comment and reprimanded the seller with a warning that they were in violation of ebay policy. Not content, the seller got my email address and sent me an private email saying that 'he & his wife were praying for my personal well-being'. As I said...nutcases are out there. Kevin ________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 03:10:09 -0700 (PDT) From: shanti ramachandran Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <988576.68395.qm at web112720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Just for the record now. Please know and be advised that anything you buy on ebay using paypal is returnable if not as described. Period. Document with photos and thats it. Open a case and if seller refuses return and full refund escalate to a claim. Ebay even pays to ship item back. Sour or sweet grapes does not matter on ebay. Buyers are KINGS! Ram. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Sun May 1 20:36:31 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 08:36:31 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 582 bulbs In-Reply-To: References: <924013.77154.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com><48084.47203.qm@web112715.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><256522.46739.qm@web113206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><9A498AFC-0169-4D68-8679-D60CE65DCB4F@yahoo.com><378799.53005.qm@web113212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I found some tiny red and green 12V lamps at either DigiKey or Mouser (can't remember which right now). After I get a chance to see if they will work in my 581 and 582 (which each have one or two burned out bulbs), I will let everyone know if they worked and what the part numbers are and who the source is. Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred Longworth Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 7:45 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 582 bulbs LED's vary in their operating voltage. For example, common red and green LED's require approximately 2 volts. The less-common white and blue LED's take about 4-5 volts. Current is typically 10mA. An LED will replace a point-source incandescent indicator lamp with no trouble. The only problem is finding where to mount the outboard series dropping resistor, since the original lamp generally uses 4-10 more volts than the LED requires. I have seen literally hundreds of instances where this resistor has been installed in a manner that looks tacky, and presents some hazard to surrounding circuitry -- or where the value of resistor chosen is technically incorrect, resulting in damage to the LED. LED's are a poor choice for the ubiquitous "fuse type" lamps used in the radio dials of vintage stereo and quad receivers. Since they are point sources, and fuse-type lamps generate an emission >.5" long, many "upgrades" from fuse-lamps to LED's result in an unpleasant fence-post effect, in which the light and dark spots alternate across the dial. At my shop, I've had to "undo" a few "upgrades" because the LED's were so ugly. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 7:00 AM, Vyju wrote: Hi, I picked up a Nakamichi 582 deck recently.I have serviced the deck and replaced all the belts with replacements from Marrs Communications . The deck works fine but all the small bulbs on the control buttons(play,FF,Rew etc ) have failed.Only the green light on the stop button works. I would like to replace the bulbs,can someone tell me a source for these bulbs? Regards Rajiv ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Mon May 2 00:32:45 2011 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 15:32:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 99, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: <546807.39816.qm@web120718.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <818754.39926.qm@web112715.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thanks Kevin. I could not have said it better myself. Ram. --- On Sun, 5/1/11, Kevin Fetner wrote: From: Kevin Fetner Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 99, Issue 1 To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sunday, May 1, 2011, 11:38 AM Ram, Rick is trying to paint you as an obscene buyer. Obviously he has issues on ebay from a seller's viewpoint and I think you were squarely within your right to complain about the Nak deck. You didn't "steal" anything, as you can't predict what the final auction price will be....it might have been several times that and has everything to do with the seller's language about a working deck in the auction. Many of us know this language and have bought items that couldn't have possibly worked in yrs. Call it what you want, but I call it lying/misrepresenting/fraud. ebay chose to end the feedback wars between buyers & sellers by favoring the buyers. They probably could have made a more equitable solution, but this is what they chose and what we live with. Frankly, the buyer/seller wars were a disgrace to humanity with both sides distorting facts and it became a junkyard dogfight just to buy/sell anything vintage. We even argued about it here before ebay changed their policy. As a seller now, you have to put many disclaimers into your auction.....even warn against trying to do something illegal/unethical as a buyer. It's all you can do. Personally, I quit selling because I knew it was a matter of time before some nutcase would destroy my 100% rating. When you don't have the high numbers as a seller, even one "sour grape" can torpedo your rating. I had two sales go bad in the last yr with broken or misrepresented items. I was very careful what I said to the seller in both cases and always made sure I used ebay's 'response' system, so everything was documented.  Both sellers threatened to blackmark me and win in the disputes-one even said they were going 'to teach me a lesson'.  Both lost primarily because of the language they used in their ebay responses. And PayPal came through with the money part both times. One seller wanted the item back, the other not. I don't remember exactly, but one seller did manage to blackmark me by posting a comment somewhere....ebay caught it, removed the comment and reprimanded the seller with a warning that they were in violation of ebay policy. Not content, the seller got my email address and sent me an private email saying that 'he & his wife were praying for my personal well-being'. As I said...nutcases are out there. Kevin Message: 1 Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 03:10:09 -0700 (PDT) From: shanti ramachandran Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beocord 9000 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <988576.68395.qm at web112720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Just for the record now. Please know and be advised that anything you buy on ebay using paypal is returnable if not as described. Period. Document with photos and thats it. Open a case and if seller refuses  return and full refund escalate to a claim. Ebay even pays to ship item back. Sour or sweet grapes does not matter on ebay. Buyers are KINGS! 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In-Reply-To: <745656.50139.qm@web161915.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <11055.78940.qm@web83714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <3E03BCDF-7B1F-4DCD-8821-F710644C7542@peromarta.org> <745656.50139.qm@web161915.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Jayson, These are the monitors to have if you have an amp with enough amps to drive them. Ram. On May 1, 2011, at 7:21 AM, jayson levitz wrote: > Hi Willy and Ram. > > I too had no clue about B&W. I currently have B&W Matrix 801 Series 2 speakers in my system, and have had them since 1988. At that time, recording studios used them as their reference monitors. In fact, a Dec, 1987 review in Stereophile called these speakers the "pinnacle of current full-range dynamic loudspeaker design." Of course, a lot has changed since then, but I still love these speakers. > > Jayson > > From: Ram > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Sat, April 30, 2011 10:14:04 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Repair service in Chicago? > > Thanks Willy. > > I happen to own the 801 and the 802 series 3 monitors and have for the past 16 years or so but did not have a clue about the facts you mentioned. A nice history lesson! > > Ram. > > > > On Apr 30, 2011, at 5:00 PM, Willy Hermann wrote: > >> Don't confuse the two companies - it's easy to do. B&W loudspeakers is a manufacturing concern. They have factories in Worthing England and in China as well as a research facility in Steyning England. They don't fix Nakamichis. John Bowers and Roy Wilkins started a hifi shop in the late 50's in Worthing. John got interested in speakers and began making his own. This eventually became his passion and he left the retail business. It's that retail business which is now repairing Nakamichi. John Bowers ran B&W (any ran it very well) for many years. He died in the early 90's and Joe Atkins bought the company. Joe also owns Classe Audio and Rotel. For years the speakers were only called B&W and the shop was only called Bowers and Wilkins. The two web sites now are bowersandwilkins.co.uk and bowers-wilkins.com or bwspeakers.com . >> >> Willy >> >> On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 4:10 AM, Guy Facey wrote: >> Wow, amazing >> I upgraded my wife's old B&W DM5s 2 years ago (she'd had them since about 1980 - we've been together since 1982 - and the rubber surrounding the cone had gone) for some new B&Ws, in fact we pushed the boat out and bought surround sound all in B&W (meant I couldn't afford the front pair I wanted, but hey). >> So that's a really nice surprise, means I'll have to visit B&W this summer, just looked at the web site and it's v encouraging. >> Thanks >> Guy >> >> On 29 April 2011 18:16, Luis Peromarta Regert wrote: >> B&W are your friends. They read this list so probably will conatct you off list. >> >> http://www.bowersandwilkins.co.uk/nakamichi%20home.html >> >> Best rgds, LP. >> >> >> >> El 29/04/2011, a las 05:31, Guy Facey escribió: >> >> > I live in Hong Kong but travel each year to England. 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URL: From 4sje5 at comcast.net Sun May 1 20:33:37 2011 From: 4sje5 at comcast.net (js) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 11:33:37 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 References: <924013.77154.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, <48084.47203.qm@web112715.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, , , <256522.46739.qm@web113206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <9A498AFC-0169-4D68-8679-D60CE65DCB4F@yahoo.com>, <378799.53005.qm@web113212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, Message-ID: So the seller was supposed to supply the packing materials, packing labor and the trip to the Post Office/UPS store/whatever for free? JS ----- Original Message ----- From: Sean Reid To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 3:23 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 I'm just a noob here, but I'd like to throw my 2 cents in. This whole topic is very subjective, and based on each person's experience. For myself, eBay and PayPal have never been a help when trying to get refunded on purchases that didn't work out. Sellers have sent me items that flat out did not work, then offered insulting "refunds" (one that didn't even cover the ridiculously inflated shipping charge... charged me $15, the package shows up, shipping was closer to $4). Somehow eBay didn't see that as a problem, and I was basically told "oh well, tough luck". I totally agree that it's a resonable expectation that an item function as it should when you receive it, unless it's sold as parts or for repair, otherwise why would you want to buy it in the first place? But results definitely vary when it comes to Buyers being right all the time... maybe it's just my luck... > Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 14:30:29 +0100 > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 > From: fergus.cullen at gmail.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > > I was ripped off by a buyer just before Christmas. It was considerable > amount of money too and I wasn't even allowed the chance to prove my > innocence. Unfortunately Ebay always sides with the buyer. At the same > time I think if a seller says an item is 'in working order' it should > work when it is received by the buyer. > > > > On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 2:26 AM, Rick >'} wrote: > > You're receiving a refund from eBay yet you are broadcasting your > > dissatisfaction on the message board - sounds like crying to me - and buyers > > are always right on eBay? - I think not - been active on eBay for 15+ years > > (active buyer and seller - small items to very high dollar) - buyers are not > > always right - they can be deceptive also ... > > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > > > If you want to improve, be content to be thought foolish and stupid > > > > Epictetus > > > > --------- > > > > Bad politicians are sent to Washington by good people who don't vote > > > > William E. Simon > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Ram > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Sent: Fri, April 29, 2011 8:05:51 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 > > > > Hi Rick, > > Please chill. No one here is complaining or crying! I am getting my money > > back and the other members here are just horrified by what I showed in a > > photo I received. > > If that seller had a little honesty he would not have sent the deck with all > > the cobwebs and dog hair and what not in the well.....and not claimed that > > it plays but at times rew and play stop. This deck was never played on in am > > eon. No cassette could have played in it....they way I got it. > > That's why I like eBay. Buyers are almost always right. > > Rick, if you are going to justify the seller, I do not know what to say > > here! > > Ram. > > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 2011, at 5:36 PM, "Rick >'}" wrote: > > > > I dont understand what all the fuss is about - the seller didnt offer a > > warranty... you, compared to other units on eBay, "stole" the unit and now > > you are unhappy - I mean, c'mon -- you are buying electronics from a seller > > you dont know and .... buyer beware! - get over yourself - and guess what, > > electronics do fail - all the time - you dont know if they knew all the > > problems or not - stop crying. > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: <11055.78940.qm@web83714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <3E03BCDF-7B1F-4DCD-8821-F710644C7542@peromarta.org> <745656.50139.qm@web161915.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <609635.89070.qm@web161916.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hi Ram. Actually, the 801's are very efficient.  Their power handling capabilities are 50 to 600 watts.  My amp, a Jeff Rowland Design Group Model 5 (also from 1988 or 89) puts out 150 per channel, more than enough to blow my walls down in my living room.  And trust me, I do play my system loud. P.S. Do you live in NYC?  If you do, I think I am near you.   Jayson ________________________________ From: Ram To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sun, May 1, 2011 8:00:00 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Repair service in Chicago? Hi Jayson, These are the monitors to have if you have an amp with enough amps to drive them. Ram. On May 1, 2011, at 7:21 AM, jayson levitz wrote: Hi Willy and Ram. > >I too had no clue about B&W.  I currently have B&W Matrix 801 Series 2 speakers >in my system, and have had them since 1988.  At that time, recording studios >used them as their reference monitors.  In fact, a Dec, 1987 review in >Stereophile called these speakers the "pinnacle of current full-range dynamic >loudspeaker design."  Of course, a lot has changed since then, but I still love >these speakers. > >Jayson > > > > ________________________________ From: Ram >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Sat, April 30, 2011 10:14:04 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Repair service in Chicago? > > >Thanks Willy. > > >I happen to own the 801 and the 802 series 3 monitors and have for the past 16 >years or so but did not have a clue about the facts you mentioned. A nice >history lesson! > > >Ram. > > > > >On Apr 30, 2011, at 5:00 PM, Willy Hermann >wrote: > > >Don't confuse the two companies - it's easy to do.  B&W loudspeakers is a >manufacturing concern.  They have factories in Worthing England and in China as >well as a research facility in Steyning England.  They don't fix Nakamichis. > John Bowers and Roy Wilkins started a hifi shop in the late 50's in Worthing. > John got interested in speakers and began making his own.  This eventually >became his passion and he left the retail business.  It's that retail business >which is now repairing Nakamichi.  John Bowers ran B&W (any ran it very well) >for many years.  He died in the early 90's and Joe Atkins bought the company. > Joe also owns Classe Audio and Rotel.  For years the speakers were only called >B&W and the shop was only called Bowers and Wilkins.  The two web sites now are >bowersandwilkins.co.uk and bowers-wilkins.com or bwspeakers.com . > >> >> >>Willy >> >> >>On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 4:10 AM, Guy Facey wrote: >> >>Wow, amazing >>>I upgraded my wife's old B&W DM5s 2 years ago (she'd had them since about 1980 - >>>we've been together since 1982 - and the rubber surrounding the cone had gone) >>>for some new B&Ws, in fact we pushed the boat out and bought surround sound all >>>in B&W (meant I couldn't afford the front pair I wanted, but hey). >>>So that's a really nice surprise, means I'll have to visit B&W this summer, just >>>looked at the web site and it's v encouraging. >>>Thanks >>>Guy >>> >>> >>>On 29 April 2011 18:16, Luis Peromarta Regert wrote: >>> >>>B&W are your friends. They read this list so probably will conatct you off >>list. >>>> >>>>http://www.bowersandwilkins.co.uk/nakamichi%20home.html >>>> >>>>Best rgds, LP. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>El 29/04/2011, a las 05:31, Guy Facey escribió: >>>> >>>> >>>>> I live in Hong Kong but travel each year to England. 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I lost a case (as I > have already described) recently where I sold something as not working and > the buyer complained. As I noted PayPal told me that regardless of what a > seller writes in their description PayPal will always find against a seller > in these circumstances as they also have to protect their business > interests. In all fairness, they were sympathetic, but that was that. > > > > Another scam that is growing in popularity on eBay as buyers become aware > of the fact that sellers have little recourse against them, is claiming not > to have received a package. There was a time that PayPal would find for the > seller if a tracking number could be provided. They have now changed this > policy also. They will only find in favour of the seller if there is a > signature proving receipt at the other end. To ensure that a seller is > covered by PayPal a seller MUST have a signature as well as a tracking > number to prove delivery. > > > > Just for the record, I was eBay’s 125’th sign on and on their advisory > committee way back when. I was originally very excited about the concept of > eBay. It was a business of the people, by the people, but as the corporate > screws tightened around its throat it has become another monstrous corporate > juggernaut. Attempting to pretend otherwise, John Donahue, CEO of eBay > recently referred to eBay sellers as ‘his children’, a patronizing phrase > that sums up much of the modern ethos of eBay. > > > > Luis > > Honesty is the best policy for buying or selling anything anywhere/ > > Regards, > > Ram. > > --- On *Sat, 4/30/11, Scott Johnson * wrote: > > > From: Scott Johnson > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Saturday, April 30, 2011, 8:24 PM > > eBay/PayPal does not always side with the seller. I had two disputes > against me about a year ago, both for Stax earspeaker adapters by the way, > and they sided with me, the seller, on one and sided with the buyer on the > other. I have no idea what I did right on the one I won and what I did > wrong on the one I lost. It seems to be completely random. > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Fergus Cullen > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Sat, April 30, 2011 6:30:29 AM > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 > > I was ripped off by a buyer just before Christmas. It was considerable > amount of money too and I wasn't even allowed the chance to prove my > innocence. Unfortunately Ebay always sides with the buyer. At the same > time I think if a seller says an item is 'in working order' it should > work when it is received by the buyer. > > > > On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 2:26 AM, Rick >'} > > wrote: > > You're receiving a refund from eBay yet you are broadcasting your > > dissatisfaction on the message board - sounds like crying to me - and > buyers > > are always right on eBay? - I think not - been active on eBay for 15+ > years > > (active buyer and seller - small items to very high dollar) - buyers are > not > > always right - they can be deceptive also ... > > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > > > If you want to improve, be content to be thought foolish and stupid > > > > Epictetus > > > > --------- > > > > Bad politicians are sent to Washington by good people who don't vote > > > > William E. Simon > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Ram > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > Sent: Fri, April 29, 2011 8:05:51 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 > > > > Hi Rick, > > Please chill. No one here is complaining or crying! I am getting my > money > > back and the other members here are just horrified by what I showed in a > > photo I received. > > If that seller had a little honesty he would not have sent the deck with > all > > the cobwebs and dog hair and what not in the well.....and not claimed > that > > it plays but at times rew and play stop. This deck was never played on in > am > > eon. No cassette could have played in it....they way I got it. > > That's why I like eBay. 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Do you live in NYC?  If you do, I think I am near you.     Jayson From: Ram To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sun, May 1, 2011 8:00:00 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Repair service in Chicago? Hi Jayson, These are the monitors to have if you have an amp with enough amps to drive them. Ram. On May 1, 2011, at 7:21 AM, jayson levitz wrote: Hi Willy and Ram.   I too had no clue about B&W.  I currently have B&W Matrix 801 Series 2 speakers in my system, and have had them since 1988.  At that time, recording studios used them as their reference monitors.  In fact, a Dec, 1987 review in Stereophile called these speakers the "pinnacle of current full-range dynamic loudspeaker design."  Of course, a lot has changed since then, but I still love these speakers.   Jayson From: Ram To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sat, April 30, 2011 10:14:04 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Repair service in Chicago? Thanks Willy. I happen to own the 801 and the 802 series 3 monitors and have for the past 16 years or so but did not have a clue about the facts you mentioned. A nice history lesson! Ram. On Apr 30, 2011, at 5:00 PM, Willy Hermann wrote: Don't confuse the two companies - it's easy to do.  B&W loudspeakers is a manufacturing concern.  They have factories in Worthing England and in China as well as a research facility in Steyning England.  They don't fix Nakamichis.  John Bowers and Roy Wilkins started a hifi shop in the late 50's in Worthing.  John got interested in speakers and began making his own.  This eventually became his passion and he left the retail business.  It's that retail business which is now repairing Nakamichi.  John Bowers ran B&W (any ran it very well) for many years.  He died in the early 90's and Joe Atkins bought the company.  Joe also owns Classe Audio and Rotel.  For years the speakers were only called B&W and the shop was only called Bowers and Wilkins.  The two web sites now are bowersandwilkins.co.uk and bowers-wilkins.com or bwspeakers.com . Willy On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 4:10 AM, Guy Facey wrote: Wow, amazing I upgraded my wife's old B&W DM5s 2 years ago (she'd had them since about 1980 - we've been together since 1982 - and the rubber surrounding the cone had gone) for some new B&Ws, in fact we pushed the boat out and bought surround sound all in B&W (meant I couldn't afford the front pair I wanted, but hey). So that's a really nice surprise, means I'll have to visit B&W this summer, just looked at the web site and it's v encouraging. Thanks Guy On 29 April 2011 18:16, Luis Peromarta Regert wrote: B&W are your friends. They read this list so probably will conatct you off list. http://www.bowersandwilkins.co.uk/nakamichi%20home.html Best rgds, LP. El 29/04/2011, a las 05:31, Guy Facey escribió: > I live in Hong Kong but travel each year to England. 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Ram. --- On Sun, 5/1/11, jayson levitz wrote: >From: jayson levitz >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Repair service in Chicago? >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Date: Sunday, May 1, 2011, 8:42 PM > > >Hi Ram. > >Actually, the 801's are very efficient.  Their power handling capabilities are >50 to 600 watts.  My amp, a Jeff Rowland Design Group Model 5 (also from 1988 or >89) puts out 150 per channel, more than enough to blow my walls down in my >living room.  And trust me, I do play my system loud. > >P.S. Do you live in NYC?  If you do, I think I am near you.   > >Jayson > > > > ________________________________ From: Ram >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Sun, May 1, 2011 8:00:00 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Repair service in Chicago? > > >Hi Jayson, > > >These are the monitors to have if you have an amp with enough amps to drive >them. > > >Ram. > > > > > >On May 1, 2011, at 7:21 AM, jayson levitz wrote: > > >Hi Willy and Ram. >> >>I too had no clue about B&W.  I currently have B&W Matrix 801 Series 2 speakers >>in my system, and have had them since 1988.  At that time, recording studios >>used them as their reference monitors.  In fact, a Dec, 1987 review in >>Stereophile called these speakers the "pinnacle of current full-range dynamic >>loudspeaker design."  Of course, a lot has changed since then, but I still love >>these speakers. >> >>Jayson >> >> >> >> ________________________________ From: Ram >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Sent: Sat, April 30, 2011 10:14:04 PM >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Repair service in Chicago? >> >> >>Thanks Willy. >> >> >>I happen to own the 801 and the 802 series 3 monitors and have for the past 16 >>years or so but did not have a clue about the facts you mentioned. A nice >>history lesson! >> >> >>Ram. >> >> >> >> >>On Apr 30, 2011, at 5:00 PM, Willy Hermann >>wrote: >> >> >>Don't confuse the two companies - it's easy to do.  B&W loudspeakers is a >>manufacturing concern.  They have factories in Worthing England and in China as >>well as a research facility in Steyning England.  They don't fix Nakamichis. >> John Bowers and Roy Wilkins started a hifi shop in the late 50's in Worthing. >> John got interested in speakers and began making his own.  This eventually >>became his passion and he left the retail business.  It's that retail business >>which is now repairing Nakamichi.  John Bowers ran B&W (any ran it very well) >>for many years.  He died in the early 90's and Joe Atkins bought the company. >> Joe also owns Classe Audio and Rotel.  For years the speakers were only called >>B&W and the shop was only called Bowers and Wilkins.  The two web sites now are >>bowersandwilkins.co.uk and bowers-wilkins.com or bwspeakers.com . >> >>> >>> >>>Willy >>> >>> >>>On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 4:10 AM, Guy Facey wrote: >>> >>>Wow, amazing >>>>I upgraded my wife's old B&W DM5s 2 years ago (she'd had them since about 1980 - >>>>we've been together since 1982 - and the rubber surrounding the cone had gone) >>>>for some new B&Ws, in fact we pushed the boat out and bought surround sound all >>>>in B&W (meant I couldn't afford the front pair I wanted, but hey). >>>>So that's a really nice surprise, means I'll have to visit B&W this summer, just >>>>looked at the web site and it's v encouraging. >>>>Thanks >>>>Guy >>>> >>>> >>>>On 29 April 2011 18:16, Luis Peromarta Regert wrote: >>>> >>>>B&W are your friends. They read this list so probably will conatct you off >>>list. >>>>> >>>>>http://www.bowersandwilkins.co.uk/nakamichi%20home.html >>>>> >>>>>Best rgds, LP. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>El 29/04/2011, a las 05:31, Guy Facey escribió: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I live in Hong Kong but travel each year to England. Nobody seems to know >>>>>>anyone in HK but does anyone know a Nak technician in England? >>>>>> thanks >>>>>> Guy >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> >>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >-----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fergus.cullen at gmail.com Tue May 3 09:40:07 2011 From: fergus.cullen at gmail.com (Fergus Cullen) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 08:40:07 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 In-Reply-To: References: <924013.77154.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48084.47203.qm@web112715.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <256522.46739.qm@web113206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <9A498AFC-0169-4D68-8679-D60CE65DCB4F@yahoo.com> <378799.53005.qm@web113212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Only buyers can leave negative feedback. Very unfair. On 30 Apr 2011 22:35, "Christian Thomas" wrote: > I'd be quite cautious before leaving negative feedback, they can do the same > to you, you know? I tend to reserve -ve feedback (which in all other > instances is a good thing ;) for when others obviously need warning. > > > Christian > > On 30 April 2011 02:26, Rick >'} wrote: > >> You're receiving a refund from eBay yet you are broadcasting your >> dissatisfaction on the message board - sounds like crying to me - and buyers >> are always right on eBay? - I think not - been active on eBay for 15+ years >> (active buyer and seller - small items to very high dollar) - buyers are not >> always right - they can be deceptive also ... >> >> ___________________________________________________________________ >> >> >> If you want to improve, be content to be thought foolish and stupid >> >> >> Epictetus >> >> >> --------- >> >> >> Bad politicians are sent to Washington by good people who don't vote >> >> >> William E. Simon >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Ram >> >> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> *Sent:* Fri, April 29, 2011 8:05:51 PM >> >> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 >> >> Hi Rick, >> >> Please chill. No one here is complaining or crying! I am getting my money >> back and the other members here are just horrified by what I showed in a >> photo I received. >> >> If that seller had a little honesty he would not have sent the deck with >> all the cobwebs and dog hair and what not in the well.....and not claimed >> that it plays but at times rew and play stop. This deck was never played on >> in am eon. No cassette could have played in it....they way I got it. >> >> That's why I like eBay. Buyers are almost always right. >> >> Rick, if you are going to justify the seller, I do not know what to say >> here! >> >> Ram. >> >> >> >> On Apr 29, 2011, at 5:36 PM, "Rick >'}" wrote: >> >> I dont understand what all the fuss is about - the seller didnt offer a >> warranty... you, compared to other units on eBay, "stole" the unit and now >> you are unhappy - I mean, c'mon -- you are buying electronics from a seller >> you dont know and .... buyer beware! - get over yourself - and guess what, >> electronics do fail - all the time - you dont know if they knew all the >> problems or not - stop crying. >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Wed May 4 03:11:09 2011 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 18:11:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Repair service in Chicago? In-Reply-To: <404926.22339.qm@web112703.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <565552.52905.qm@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ram, I lived in Long Island in the early 60's.  I was 4 and 5 years old.  Don't remember much but had lots of fun in the neighborhood. Bob N --- On Mon, 5/2/11, shanti ramachandran wrote: From: shanti ramachandran Subject: Re: [naktalk] Repair service in Chicago? To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, May 2, 2011, 6:08 AM Yep. Not at all far. i am in Long Island. May be we can catch up some time. Ram. --- On Sun, 5/1/11, jayson levitz wrote: From: jayson levitz Subject: Re: [naktalk] Repair service in Chicago? To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Sunday, May 1, 2011, 8:42 PM Hi Ram.   Actually, the 801's are very efficient.  Their power handling capabilities are 50 to 600 watts.  My amp, a Jeff Rowland Design Group Model 5 (also from 1988 or 89) puts out 150 per channel, more than enough to blow my walls down in my living room.  And trust me, I do play my system loud.   P.S. Do you live in NYC?  If you do, I think I am near you.     Jayson From: Ram To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sun, May 1, 2011 8:00:00 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Repair service in Chicago? Hi Jayson, These are the monitors to have if you have an amp with enough amps to drive them. Ram. On May 1, 2011, at 7:21 AM, jayson levitz wrote: Hi Willy and Ram.   I too had no clue about B&W.  I currently have B&W Matrix 801 Series 2 speakers in my system, and have had them since 1988.  At that time, recording studios used them as their reference monitors.  In fact, a Dec, 1987 review in Stereophile called these speakers the "pinnacle of current full-range dynamic loudspeaker design."  Of course, a lot has changed since then, but I still love these speakers.   Jayson From: Ram To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sat, April 30, 2011 10:14:04 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Repair service in Chicago? Thanks Willy. I happen to own the 801 and the 802 series 3 monitors and have for the past 16 years or so but did not have a clue about the facts you mentioned. A nice history lesson! Ram. On Apr 30, 2011, at 5:00 PM, Willy Hermann wrote: Don't confuse the two companies - it's easy to do.  B&W loudspeakers is a manufacturing concern.  They have factories in Worthing England and in China as well as a research facility in Steyning England.  They don't fix Nakamichis.  John Bowers and Roy Wilkins started a hifi shop in the late 50's in Worthing.  John got interested in speakers and began making his own.  This eventually became his passion and he left the retail business.  It's that retail business which is now repairing Nakamichi.  John Bowers ran B&W (any ran it very well) for many years.  He died in the early 90's and Joe Atkins bought the company.  Joe also owns Classe Audio and Rotel.  For years the speakers were only called B&W and the shop was only called Bowers and Wilkins.  The two web sites now are bowersandwilkins.co.uk and bowers-wilkins.com or bwspeakers.com . Willy On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 4:10 AM, Guy Facey wrote: Wow, amazing I upgraded my wife's old B&W DM5s 2 years ago (she'd had them since about 1980 - we've been together since 1982 - and the rubber surrounding the cone had gone) for some new B&Ws, in fact we pushed the boat out and bought surround sound all in B&W (meant I couldn't afford the front pair I wanted, but hey). So that's a really nice surprise, means I'll have to visit B&W this summer, just looked at the web site and it's v encouraging. Thanks Guy On 29 April 2011 18:16, Luis Peromarta Regert wrote: B&W are your friends. They read this list so probably will conatct you off list. http://www.bowersandwilkins.co.uk/nakamichi%20home.html Best rgds, LP. El 29/04/2011, a las 05:31, Guy Facey escribió: > I live in Hong Kong but travel each year to England. 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Very unfair. On 30 Apr 2011 22:35, "Christian Thomas" wrote: > I'd be quite cautious before leaving negative feedback, they can do the same > to you, you know? I tend to reserve -ve feedback (which in all other > instances is a good thing ;) for when others obviously need warning. > > > Christian > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... 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After the auction ended, the buyer demanded local pick up (of which I denied). Later the buyer left negative feedback stating 'didn't allow local pick up'. (the buyer never paid or received his item) Very unfair. ________________________________ Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 08:40:07 +0100 Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 From: fergus.cullen at gmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Only buyers can leave negative feedback. Very unfair. On 30 Apr 2011 22:35, "Christian Thomas" wrote: > I'd be quite cautious before leaving negative feedback, they can do the same > to you, you know? I tend to reserve -ve feedback (which in all other > instances is a good thing ;) for when others obviously need warning. > > > Christian > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Another buyer tried to extort me for a refund on the postage costs clearly stated in the terms of the auction after he bid and paid for it - I had to go legal since he turned out to be a proper crook, buying under one account and selling the same items under another, charging an even higher postage on the same item he bought from me claiming he had to cover his VAT ??!!! In the end ebay removed his comments but claimed they could not remove the negative. The latest blemish on my account (I tend to get one bastard per year) was a buyer who received a full refund from me because the camera I was selling as "mint and in perfect working order" had been opened (by me) to clear the dust from the viewfinder - i.e. it was apparently not mint, or rather not a virgin. I relisted it and got 50 pounds more from a very happy buyer but the negative from the other guy is still on the account. Very unfair is a massive understatement. I used to have 10-12 sales a month, now I do maybe that in a year, the chances of being screwed as a seller are just too big. On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Mark Exstedt wrote: > I had an Ebay ad on cassette tapes (one year ago) stating 'no local pick > up allowed' (as I don't allow local pick up on any of my items). > After the auction ended, the buyer demanded local pick up (of which I > denied). > Later the buyer left negative feedback stating 'didn't allow local pick > up'. > (the buyer never paid or received his item) > Very unfair. > > > ------------------------------ > Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 08:40:07 +0100 > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 > From: fergus.cullen at gmail.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Only buyers can leave negative feedback. Very unfair. > > > On 30 Apr 2011 22:35, "Christian Thomas" > wrote: > > I'd be quite cautious before leaving negative feedback, they can do the > same > > to you, you know? I tend to reserve -ve feedback (which in all other > > instances is a good thing ;) for when others obviously need warning. > > > > > > Christian > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- "Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jvbrhg at seanet.com Wed May 4 18:15:07 2011 From: jvbrhg at seanet.com (JVBRHG) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 09:15:07 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 References: <924013.77154.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, <48084.47203.qm@web112715.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, , , <256522.46739.qm@web113206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <9A498AFC-0169-4D68-8679-D60CE65DCB4F@yahoo.com>, <378799.53005.qm@web113212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, , Message-ID: <97611DB18452467E9B05304D2EDE272B@jvbrhg> Mark- Do you not allow "local pick up" for security reasons....or ? Randall ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Exstedt To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 7:47 AM Subject: FW: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 I had an Ebay ad on cassette tapes (one year ago) stating 'no local pick up allowed' (as I don't allow local pick up on any of my items). After the auction ended, the buyer demanded local pick up (of which I denied). Later the buyer left negative feedback stating 'didn't allow local pick up'. (the buyer never paid or received his item) Very unfair. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 08:40:07 +0100 Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 From: fergus.cullen at gmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Only buyers can leave negative feedback. Very unfair. On 30 Apr 2011 22:35, "Christian Thomas" wrote: > I'd be quite cautious before leaving negative feedback, they can do the same > to you, you know? 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URL: From rpierce000 at centurytel.net Fri May 6 09:31:12 2011 From: rpierce000 at centurytel.net (Bob Pierce) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 00:31:12 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 In-Reply-To: <97611DB18452467E9B05304D2EDE272B@jvbrhg> References: <924013.77154.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, <48084.47203.qm@web112715.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, , , <256522.46739.qm@web113206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <9A498AFC-0169-4D68-8679-D60CE65DCB4F@yahoo.com>, <378799.53005.qm@web113212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, , <97611DB18452467E9B05304D2EDE272B@jvbrhg> Message-ID: <0d4c01cc0bbf$94729ca0$bd57d5e0$@net> I do not allow local pickup both for security and PITA reasons. I used to� but then I had one guy drive off on me with stuff in his back seat, another wanted to write a check and a third wanted to follow me home, and when I said �No� he tried to anyway. That last one was IT. Everything ships from �the Seattle area� so that the real loonies can�t find my family. BTW, you CAN protest negative feedback. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of JVBRHG Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 9:15 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 Mark- Do you not allow "local pick up" for security reasons....or ? Randall ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Exstedt To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 7:47 AM Subject: FW: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 I had an Ebay ad on cassette tapes (one year ago) stating 'no local pick up allowed' (as I don't allow local pick up on any of my items). After the auction ended, the buyer demanded local pick up (of which I denied). Later the buyer left negative feedback stating 'didn't allow local pick up'. (the buyer never paid or received his item) Very unfair. _____ Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 08:40:07 +0100 Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 From: fergus.cullen at gmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Only buyers can leave negative feedback. Very unfair. 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URL: From george.valkov at gmail.com Fri May 6 11:09:03 2011 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 10:09:03 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 In-Reply-To: <0d4c01cc0bbf$94729ca0$bd57d5e0$@net> References: <924013.77154.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48084.47203.qm@web112715.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <256522.46739.qm@web113206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <9A498AFC-0169-4D68-8679-D60CE65DCB4F@yahoo.com> <378799.53005.qm@web113212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <97611DB18452467E9B05304D2EDE272B@jvbrhg> <0d4c01cc0bbf$94729ca0$bd57d5e0$@net> Message-ID: As a seller you can protest negative feedback in a very protracted and complicated process and IF ebay finds in your favour they will only remove the comments but not the feedback, so your account will still show the negative feedback and it will still be calculated in your rating. I went through that and it involved mailing hard copies of all correspondence and other supporting documents to an overseas address, all at my cost. On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 8:31 AM, Bob Pierce wrote: > I do not allow local pickup both for security and PITA reasons. > > > > I used to… but then I had one guy drive off on me with stuff in his back > seat, another wanted to write a check and a third wanted to follow me home, > and when I said “No” he tried to anyway. > > > > That last one was IT. > > > > Everything ships from “the Seattle area” so that the real loonies can’t > find my family. > > > > BTW, you CAN protest negative feedback. > > > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *JVBRHG > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 04, 2011 9:15 AM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 > > > > Mark- > > > > Do you not allow "local pick up" for security reasons....or ? > > > > Randall > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Mark Exstedt > > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 04, 2011 7:47 AM > > *Subject:* FW: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 > > > > I had an Ebay ad on cassette tapes (one year ago) stating 'no local pick up > allowed' (as I don't allow local pick up on any of my items). > After the auction ended, the buyer demanded local pick up (of which I > denied). > Later the buyer left negative feedback stating 'didn't allow local pick > up'. > (the buyer never paid or received his item) > Very unfair. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 08:40:07 +0100 > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 > From: fergus.cullen at gmail.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Only buyers can leave negative feedback. Very unfair. > > On 30 Apr 2011 22:35, "Christian Thomas" > wrote: > > I'd be quite cautious before leaving negative feedback, they can do the > same > > to you, you know? I tend to reserve -ve feedback (which in all other > > instances is a good thing ;) for when others obviously need warning. > > > > > > Christian > > > ------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- "Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark8559 at hotmail.com Fri May 6 14:56:31 2011 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 06:56:31 -0600 Subject: FW: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 In-Reply-To: <97611DB18452467E9B05304D2EDE272B@jvbrhg> References: <924013.77154.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, , <48084.47203.qm@web112715.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, , , , , , <256522.46739.qm@web113206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, , <9A498AFC-0169-4D68-8679-D60CE65DCB4F@yahoo.com>, , <378799.53005.qm@web113212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, , , , , , <97611DB18452467E9B05304D2EDE272B@jvbrhg> Message-ID: Pretty much. I'm just like most other folks. Also - sometimes my audio gear has a high inventory. From: jvbrhg at seanet.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 09:15:07 -0700 Mark- Do you not allow "local pick up" for security reasons....or ? Randall ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Exstedt To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 7:47 AM Subject: FW: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 I had an Ebay ad on cassette tapes (one year ago) stating 'no local pick up allowed' (as I don't allow local pick up on any of my items). After the auction ended, the buyer demanded local pick up (of which I denied). Later the buyer left negative feedback stating 'didn't allow local pick up'. (the buyer never paid or received his item) Very unfair. Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 08:40:07 +0100 Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ram's Ebay BX-300 From: fergus.cullen at gmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Only buyers can leave negative feedback. Very unfair. On 30 Apr 2011 22:35, "Christian Thomas" wrote: > I'd be quite cautious before leaving negative feedback, they can do the same > to you, you know? 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URL: From tr463rsb at comcast.net Fri May 6 22:10:58 2011 From: tr463rsb at comcast.net (RSB) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 16:10:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Ebay and Paypal In-Reply-To: <201105061010.p46A8HHn032060@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <201105062012.p46KBK4S001197@zxe.naks.com> I quit using ebay a while back. Their "Paypal Only" system is to their benefit only. The hidden truth is that you don't get anywhere near the same chargeback protection you get with a conventional credit card. They hold all the cards and arbitrate any disagreements, so if you happen to lose to a big Ebay merchant, good luck! This happened to me when I bought a movie poster with a cashiers check - seller cashed/signed the check then claimed it was someone else who signed it and sent me nothing in return. Ebay did nothing even after I considered them in collusion for fraud. Rob Branson Nak 505 ** From luis at peromarta.org Sat May 7 00:15:08 2011 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 00:15:08 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR7E In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Try bw in UK. Paul cc'ed above Sent from iPad. Pls excuse typos. El 06/05/2011, a las 13:40, Gyula Rácz escribió: > HI all, > > > > Could you please help me to find a repair station near Muncih Germany where they are able to fix my CR7E, and can calibrate it and give me a certificate? It has a driving issue most probably the belt is broken so it does not turn the tape though the motor is running I would also like to run a complete check & calibration on it. > > > > Thanks > > > > Gyula > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat May 7 22:30:35 2011 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 13:30:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Remotes! Message-ID: <422341.46885.qm@web112710.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi, It seems the price of anything Nakamichi is going sky high off late on ebay USA. I just was watching item number 280668032786, listed by a respected Naktalk member and the  simple RM 200 remote is already bid up to $330.00! I had bought this same exact remote for $100( and thought I paid too much 4 years ago, and use Scott's remote anyway for wireless ease of use) The same can be said of decks too. Where are we headed? The stratosphere? There is one exception though. The 700 ZXL does not get as much respect as its 1000 brethren.....even wen serviced and sold. Ebay logic just beats me! I guess its all about perception! Am I glad to be an avid Nakamichi collector! Regards and Happy summer to all! Ram. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Sun May 8 01:12:04 2011 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 16:12:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Remotes! In-Reply-To: <422341.46885.qm@web112710.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <422341.46885.qm@web112710.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <207724.90226.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> There's currently another RM-200 on for $250 buy-it-now.  That guy who wins at $330 or more is going to be pissed.  ________________________________ From: shanti ramachandran To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sat, May 7, 2011 1:30:35 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Remotes! Hi, It seems the price of anything Nakamichi is going sky high off late on ebay USA. I just was watching item number 280668032786, listed by a respected Naktalk member and the  simple RM 200 remote is already bid up to $330.00! I had bought this same exact remote for $100( and thought I paid too much 4 years ago, and use Scott's remote anyway for wireless ease of use) The same can be said of decks too. Where are we headed? The stratosphere? There is one exception though. The 700 ZXL does not get as much respect as its 1000 brethren.....even wen serviced and sold. Ebay logic just beats me! I guess its all about perception! Am I glad to be an avid Nakamichi collector! Regards and Happy summer to all! Ram. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com Sun May 8 07:31:51 2011 From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha) Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 07:31:51 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Remotes! In-Reply-To: <207724.90226.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <422341.46885.qm@web112710.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <207724.90226.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <79DDDE68-56EC-4183-8AFB-E859CEF62152@gmail.com> He is not pissed! Because for some guys money do not mean that much. The pay just how much it needs. The don´t need or like money, the don´t care about it. The are not afraid to spend it! Like the USA did spend money to get to the moon.. I think he wants a Original Box. And he is right. It is boring to read about money, and how much the Nakamichis rise on Ebay . We watch Ebay anyway. So, good luck, to buy the old equipment in close to new condition. If the are no capacitors or rubber belts, in the equipment, it can be possible. kind regards Gerhard/ Europe And it is good to see how many people are spending a lot for getting that what they want.! Am 08.05.2011 um 01:12 schrieb Scott Johnson: > There's currently another RM-200 on for $250 buy-it-now. That guy > who wins at $330 or more is going to be pissed. > > From: shanti ramachandran > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Sat, May 7, 2011 1:30:35 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Remotes! > > Hi, > It seems the price of anything Nakamichi is going sky high off late > on ebay USA. I just was watching item number 280668032786, listed > by a respected Naktalk member and the simple RM 200 remote is > already bid up to $330.00! I had bought this same exact remote for > $100( and thought I paid too much 4 years ago, and use Scott's > remote anyway for wireless ease of use) > > The same can be said of decks too. Where are we headed? The > stratosphere? > > There is one exception though. The 700 ZXL does not get as much > respect as its 1000 brethren.....even wen serviced and sold. Ebay > logic just beats me! > > I guess its all about perception! Am I glad to be an avid Nakamichi > collector! > > Regards and Happy summer to all! > > Ram. > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Sun May 8 12:55:10 2011 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 12:55:10 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Caps used in Nakamichi decks Message-ID: <000001cc0d6e$669adad0$33d09070$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Hi all, I wonder what the color of the Caps used in Nakamichi decks means. I have seen Blue, Orange and Grey caps. The orange ones are sealed on the backside. Is it right to make the following conclusion for replacement: Blue caps : replace with normal power caps. Orange caps : use high grade audio caps Grey caps: use high grade audio caps BiPolar such as the green BP caps from Nichicon? Is this the right way to go? Regards Norman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun May 8 15:34:23 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 23:34:23 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Caps used in Nakamichi decks In-Reply-To: <000001cc0d6e$669adad0$33d09070$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> References: <000001cc0d6e$669adad0$33d09070$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Message-ID: Hi Norman, Are you mentioning about the signal caps specifically? Bala Sent from my iPhone On May 8, 2011, at 20:55, "Norman van Wijnen" wrote: > Hi all, > > > > I wonder what the color of the Caps used in Nakamichi decks means. I have seen Blue, Orange and Grey caps. > > The orange ones are sealed on the backside. Is it right to make the following conclusion for replacement: > > Blue caps : replace with normal power caps. > > Orange caps : use high grade audio caps > > Grey caps: use high grade audio caps BiPolar such as the green BP caps from Nichicon? > > > > Is this the right way to go? > > > > Regards > > Norman > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Sun May 8 16:44:14 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 07:44:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Caps used in Nakamichi decks In-Reply-To: <000001cc0d6e$669adad0$33d09070$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> References: <000001cc0d6e$669adad0$33d09070$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Message-ID: <317793.46632.qm@web130124.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Choosing a cap by body color is the same as choosing a woman by hair color -- it meas nothing and can be changed at will with no effect on either performance or fidelity :-). By the same token, the PP orange caps that have a high failure rate after 20 years or so could have been of any other color. -- Ron ________________________________ From: Norman van Wijnen To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sun, May 8, 2011 6:55:10 AM Subject: [naktalk] Caps used in Nakamichi decks Hi all, I wonder what the color of the Caps used in Nakamichi decks means. I have seen Blue, Orange and Grey caps. The orange ones are sealed on the backside. Is it right to make the following conclusion for replacement: Blue caps : replace with normal power caps. Orange caps : use high grade audio caps Grey caps: use high grade audio caps BiPolar such as the green BP caps from Nichicon? Is this the right way to go? Regards Norman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Sun May 8 18:55:12 2011 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 18:55:12 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Caps used in Nakamichi decks In-Reply-To: <317793.46632.qm@web130124.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <000001cc0d6e$669adad0$33d09070$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> <317793.46632.qm@web130124.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001501cc0da0$b2f7bb50$18e731f0$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Haha, Yes thats true, but i mentioned that Nakamichi uses 3 ranges of caps in the decks from SHOEI. Or isn' t that the case? Norman Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens Ron Verzonden: zondag 8 mei 2011 16:44 Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Onderwerp: Re: [naktalk] Caps used in Nakamichi decks Choosing a cap by body color is the same as choosing a woman by hair color -- it meas nothing and can be changed at will with no effect on either performance or fidelity :-). By the same token, the PP orange caps that have a high failure rate after 20 years or so could have been of any other color. -- Ron _____ From: Norman van Wijnen To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sun, May 8, 2011 6:55:10 AM Subject: [naktalk] Caps used in Nakamichi decks Hi all, I wonder what the color of the Caps used in Nakamichi decks means. I have seen Blue, Orange and Grey caps. The orange ones are sealed on the backside. Is it right to make the following conclusion for replacement: Blue caps : replace with normal power caps. Orange caps : use high grade audio caps Grey caps: use high grade audio caps BiPolar such as the green BP caps from Nichicon? Is this the right way to go? Regards Norman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon May 9 01:49:43 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 09:49:43 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Caps used in Nakamichi decks In-Reply-To: <001501cc0da0$b2f7bb50$18e731f0$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> References: <000001cc0d6e$669adad0$33d09070$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> <317793.46632.qm@web130124.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001501cc0da0$b2f7bb50$18e731f0$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Message-ID: <88837141-4604-436C-9A1D-6A756A817785@yahoo.com> Hi Norman, The Shoei caps are electrolytic caps. The colour variation denotes temperature derating. Bala Sent from my iPhone On May 9, 2011, at 2:55, "Norman van Wijnen" wrote: > Haha, > > > > Yes thats true, but i mentioned that Nakamichi uses 3 ranges of caps in the decks from SHOEI. Or isn’ t that the case? > > > > Norman > > > > Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens Ron > Verzonden: zondag 8 mei 2011 16:44 > Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Onderwerp: Re: [naktalk] Caps used in Nakamichi decks > > > > > Choosing a cap by body color is the same as choosing a woman > by hair color -- it meas nothing and can be changed at will with > no effect on either performance or fidelity :-). > > By the same token, the PP orange caps that have a high failure rate > after 20 years or so could have been of any other color. > > -- Ron > > > > > > From: Norman van Wijnen > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Sun, May 8, 2011 6:55:10 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Caps used in Nakamichi decks > > Hi all, > > > > I wonder what the color of the Caps used in Nakamichi decks means. I have seen Blue, Orange and Grey caps. > > The orange ones are sealed on the backside. Is it right to make the following conclusion for replacement: > > Blue caps : replace with normal power caps. > > Orange caps : use high grade audio caps > > Grey caps: use high grade audio caps BiPolar such as the green BP caps from Nichicon? > > > > Is this the right way to go? > > > > Regards > > Norman > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net Mon May 9 11:10:02 2011 From: N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net (N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 11:10:02 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Caps used in Nakamichi decks In-Reply-To: <88837141-4604-436C-9A1D-6A756A817785@yahoo.com> References: <000001cc0d6e$669adad0$33d09070$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> <317793.46632.qm@web130124.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001501cc0da0$b2f7bb50$18e731f0$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> <88837141-4604-436C-9A1D-6A756A817785@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2646.145.44.29.96.1304932202.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> Thanks Bala, Doesn't use Nakamichi special audio (electrolytic) caps in there classic decks? In case of replacement because of failure should we go for dedicated audio electrolytic caps or multi purpose ones? Norman Op Ma, 9 mei, 2011 1:49 am schreef Bala Ganesh: > Hi Norman, > > > The Shoei caps are electrolytic caps. The colour variation denotes > temperature derating. > > Bala > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 9, 2011, at 2:55, "Norman van Wijnen" > wrote: > > >> Haha, >> >> >> >> >> Yes thats true, but i mentioned that Nakamichi uses 3 ranges of caps in >> the decks from SHOEI. Or isn’ t that the case? >> >> >> >> Norman >> >> >> >> >> Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens >> Ron >> Verzonden: zondag 8 mei 2011 16:44 >> Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Onderwerp: Re: [naktalk] Caps used in Nakamichi decks >> >> >> >> >> >> Choosing a cap by body color is the same as choosing a woman >> by hair color -- it meas nothing and can be changed at will with no >> effect on either performance or fidelity :-). >> >> By the same token, the PP orange caps that have a high failure rate >> after 20 years or so could have been of any other color. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Norman van Wijnen >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Sent: Sun, May 8, 2011 6:55:10 AM >> Subject: [naktalk] Caps used in Nakamichi decks >> >> >> Hi all, >> >> >> >> >> I wonder what the color of the Caps used in Nakamichi decks means. I >> have seen Blue, Orange and Grey caps. >> >> The orange ones are sealed on the backside. Is it right to make the >> following conclusion for replacement: >> >> Blue caps : replace with normal power caps. >> >> >> Orange caps : use high grade audio caps >> >> >> Grey caps: use high grade audio caps BiPolar such as the green BP caps >> from Nichicon? >> >> >> >> Is this the right way to go? >> >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> >> Norman >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------====== >> ==> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------======= >> => Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------====== >> ==========---------------------------------------------------------==== >> ===== >> > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon May 9 13:34:18 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 21:34:18 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Caps used in Nakamichi decks In-Reply-To: <2646.145.44.29.96.1304932202.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> References: <000001cc0d6e$669adad0$33d09070$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> <317793.46632.qm@web130124.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001501cc0da0$b2f7bb50$18e731f0$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> <88837141-4604-436C-9A1D-6A756A817785@yahoo.com> <2646.145.44.29.96.1304932202.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> Message-ID: Hi Norman, The components used in Naks are standard commercial e caps. Standard replacement from Nichocon, Rubycon or Elna will be ok. There is of course the temptations to go exotic with black gates etc. But there isn't much to gain by doing this. Bala Sent from my iPhone On May 9, 2011, at 19:10, N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net wrote: > Thanks Bala, > > Doesn't use Nakamichi special audio (electrolytic) caps in there classic > decks? In case of replacement because of failure should we go for > dedicated audio electrolytic caps or multi purpose ones? > > Norman > > > Op Ma, 9 mei, 2011 1:49 am schreef Bala Ganesh: >> Hi Norman, >> >> >> The Shoei caps are electrolytic caps. The colour variation denotes >> temperature derating. >> >> Bala >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> On May 9, 2011, at 2:55, "Norman van Wijnen" >> wrote: >> >> >>> Haha, >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Yes thats true, but i mentioned that Nakamichi uses 3 ranges of caps in >>> the decks from SHOEI. Or isn’ t that the case? >>> >>> >>> >>> Norman >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens >>> Ron >>> Verzonden: zondag 8 mei 2011 16:44 >>> Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Onderwerp: Re: [naktalk] Caps used in Nakamichi decks >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Choosing a cap by body color is the same as choosing a woman >>> by hair color -- it meas nothing and can be changed at will with no >>> effect on either performance or fidelity :-). >>> >>> By the same token, the PP orange caps that have a high failure rate >>> after 20 years or so could have been of any other color. >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Norman van Wijnen >>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>> Sent: Sun, May 8, 2011 6:55:10 AM >>> Subject: [naktalk] Caps used in Nakamichi decks >>> >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I wonder what the color of the Caps used in Nakamichi decks means. I >>> have seen Blue, Orange and Grey caps. >>> >>> The orange ones are sealed on the backside. Is it right to make the >>> following conclusion for replacement: >>> >>> Blue caps : replace with normal power caps. >>> >>> >>> Orange caps : use high grade audio caps >>> >>> >>> Grey caps: use high grade audio caps BiPolar such as the green BP caps >>> from Nichicon? >>> >>> >>> >>> Is this the right way to go? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> >>> Norman >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------====== >>> ==> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------======= >>> => Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------====== >>> ==========---------------------------------------------------------==== >>> ===== >>> >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From lenaw at flash.net Mon May 9 13:49:54 2011 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 04:49:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Caps used in Nakamichi decks In-Reply-To: <2646.145.44.29.96.1304932202.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> References: <000001cc0d6e$669adad0$33d09070$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> <317793.46632.qm@web130124.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001501cc0da0$b2f7bb50$18e731f0$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> <88837141-4604-436C-9A1D-6A756A817785@yahoo.com> <2646.145.44.29.96.1304932202.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> Message-ID: <534070.58695.qm@web80206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Norman:               You can try the audio grade Nichicon Muse family of capacitors if you want to in both the signal paths as well as power supply. Go to the Nichicon website and get the catalog which will give you a better picture on what they offer. This is just one of the many choices you can select. I use Nichicon Muse before and have good results. Others would have different recommendations. Good Luck, Mike ________________________________ From: "N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net" To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Mon, May 9, 2011 4:10:02 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Caps used in Nakamichi decks Thanks Bala, Doesn't use Nakamichi special audio (electrolytic) caps in there classic decks? In case of replacement because of failure should we go for dedicated audio electrolytic caps or multi purpose ones? Norman Op Ma, 9 mei, 2011 1:49 am schreef Bala Ganesh: > Hi Norman, > > > The Shoei caps are electrolytic caps. The colour variation denotes > temperature derating. > > Bala > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 9, 2011, at 2:55, "Norman van Wijnen" > wrote: > > >> Haha, >> >> >> >> >> Yes thats true, but i mentioned that Nakamichi uses 3 ranges of caps in >> the decks from SHOEI.  Or isn’ t that the case? >> >> >> >> Norman >> >> >> >> >> Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens >> Ron >> Verzonden: zondag 8 mei 2011 16:44 >> Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Onderwerp: Re: [naktalk] Caps used in Nakamichi decks >> >> >> >> >> >> Choosing a cap by body color is the same as choosing a woman >> by hair color -- it meas nothing and can be changed at will with no >> effect on either performance or fidelity  :-). >> >> By the same token, the PP orange caps that have a high failure rate >> after 20 years or so could have been of any other color. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Norman van Wijnen >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Sent: Sun, May 8, 2011 6:55:10 AM >> Subject: [naktalk] Caps used in Nakamichi decks >> >> >> Hi all, >> >> >> >> >> I wonder what the color of the Caps used in Nakamichi decks means. I >> have seen Blue, Orange and Grey caps. >> >> The orange ones are sealed on the backside. Is it right to make the >> following conclusion for replacement: >> >> Blue caps : replace with normal power caps. >> >> >> Orange caps : use high grade audio caps >> >> >> Grey caps: use high grade audio caps BiPolar such as the green BP caps >> from Nichicon? >> >> >> >> Is this the right way to go? >> >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> >> Norman >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------====== >> ==>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------======= >> =>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------====== >> ==========---------------------------------------------------------==== >> ===== >> > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >  Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So is this a case of a defective playback head or do all Dragons have similar noise emphasis on the right channel? Thanks! Yuri From max at bgock.com Sat May 7 05:54:13 2011 From: max at bgock.com (Max Dawson) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 22:54:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-1 Smell Question Message-ID: <6D611B2C-9BFB-4B0D-A85C-BB055F320ED9@bgock.com> I am as of today the new owner of a lovely Nakamichi BX-1. I've been playing around with it all day, and I'm starting to notice a distinct smell coming out of it. I wouldn't call it a burning smell - more a *hot* smell. The deck is working fine and sounding great, and when I popped off the case and looked inside everything seemed OK. The only unusual thing I noticed was that the area around the power supply was a bit warm. Does anyone have any ideas about what I might be experiencing? Although I spent some time cleaning it, the deck does have a bit of grime, which I realize could be a part of this. Any advice would be greatly appreciated! From fabprevost at gmail.com Sat May 7 22:28:13 2011 From: fabprevost at gmail.com (Fabrice Prevost) Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 16:28:13 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Service - Philadelphia, PA / Baltimore, MD area Message-ID: Any recomendations for a service shop in Philadelphia or Baltimore for Nakamichi cassette decks...I have a rx 505 and Cr7a - no issues just thinking a service is in order....thx Fab -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon May 9 15:32:48 2011 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 06:32:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] is Dragon's right playback channel inherently more noisy than left? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <503745.77581.qm@web33301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> No such thing I have ever noticed - check the amplifiers for NAAC part ( they are 2 sets for NAAC tracking - as there are actually 6 Playback preamps total. If this is happening even when you play reverse- it means some part of shielding is the issue on the playback amp So check cabling from the head - Also check powersupply decoupling for the right cannel Kannan --- On Fri, 5/6/11, Yuri Regelman wrote: > From: Yuri Regelman > Subject: [naktalk] is Dragon's right playback channel inherently more noisy than left? > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Friday, May 6, 2011, 7:14 PM > I've been chasing my tale trying to > find the cause of the right > channel on my dragon being noiser than the left (with and > without a > tape) > It seems like there is more hiss on the right channel no > matter what I > do.  I ended up replacing all the caps, op-amps and > fet's on the input > stage, calibrating playback reference levels and still, the > right > channel in forward and reverse has more > noise.   I tapped into the > audio path before the 4066 cmos switches to make sure > nothing down the > signal path is introducing the problem. > The only explanation I can come up at this point is that > the noise is > inherent in the playback head.  The right channel > happens to be the > NAAC split type.  So is this a case of a defective > playback head or do > all Dragons have similar noise emphasis on the right > channel? > > Thanks! > Yuri > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >           Also check out the wiki! > http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                 >         Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From ronami at yahoo.com Wed May 11 00:46:33 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 15:46:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX-1 Smell Question In-Reply-To: <6D611B2C-9BFB-4B0D-A85C-BB055F320ED9@bgock.com> References: <6D611B2C-9BFB-4B0D-A85C-BB055F320ED9@bgock.com> Message-ID: <875212.64051.qm@web130106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> "A bit" warm is probably OK, but nothing should be too hot to the touch. I would let it run for several hours with the cover on (but not bolted), then lift the cover and see if anything is too hot. The smell could be due to dust and/or pollution that accumulated during a longish period of storage. If so, it should slowly disappear. -- Ron ________________________________ From: Max Dawson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Fri, May 6, 2011 11:54:13 PM Subject: [naktalk] BX-1 Smell Question I am as of today the new owner of a lovely Nakamichi BX-1. I've been playing around with it all day, and I'm starting to notice a distinct smell coming out of it. I wouldn't call it a burning smell - more a *hot* smell. The deck is working fine and sounding great, and when I popped off the case and looked inside everything seemed OK. The only unusual thing I noticed was that the area around the power supply was a bit warm. Does anyone have any ideas about what I might be experiencing? 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URL: From ct.waveform at googlemail.com Mon May 9 21:43:42 2011 From: ct.waveform at googlemail.com (Christian Thomas) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 20:43:42 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Caps used in Nakamichi decks In-Reply-To: <534070.58695.qm@web80206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <317793.46632.qm@web130124.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <88837141-4604-436C-9A1D-6A756A817785@yahoo.com> <2646.145.44.29.96.1304932202.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> <534070.58695.qm@web80206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Norman My recommendation, for what it worth, is to try and mimic whatever was in there to begin with. In general I do not believe in "exoticising" other people's circuits unless they have made an acknowledged mistake or have got it plain wrong. Almost always you upset the balance of the circuit and most of the so called improvements tend to not be that long lasting. Ie. they may be to your taste initially but may prove wearing over time. Most of what Nakamichi did is pretty good and if you do it as a restorer (rather than a tweaker) would, you will at least always have the deck as it was supposed to be. Also, some of the tweaks that people do with lower esr caps for insance, can be actually deleterious. There are plenty of positions, in power supplies for instance, where you actively don't want the best capacitor possible - or it is a complete waste of money. If you can't find direct replacements then you can find old datasheets which will give you an idea of what type of makeup and price point the caps had. Then, from the range of a good manufacturer like Rubycon you can pick comparable types. I don't personally believe signal caps should need replacing unless they are physically damaged or dried out. They do not get the current overload that PS caps do and rarely get hot. My final piece of advice would be to try to go with one manufacturer throughout and, if you use more than one range, try to pick related ones from the same period. For example, Rubycon took a leap forward 10 or so years ago with their ZAs and ZLs (ZAs now discontinued). These are excellent capacitors but would be precisely what you don't want to put in a 70s or early 80s deck. But older and once premium but now cheaper lines will have the technology and characteristics of the era. Having said that, the main reservoir caps obey slightly different rules - and you can certainly break the single brand rule here. There really are good caps and ones that simply don't work. You'll have a number of recommendations from here (though I certainly wouldn't go so far as Black Gates or necessarily any of the very low ESR computer caps. Again Rubycon have done plenty of good caps of this size, as have BC and others. Nor do you have to go a long way up the price range to get something satifactory and I think plenty of people are happy with the ALS 30 or 40s (? model here) which are about a fiver each. But something with that spec or marginally better should fit well. All the best Christian On 9 May 2011 12:49, LENA WONG wrote: > Norman: > You can try the audio grade Nichicon Muse family of > capacitors if you want to in both the signal paths as well as power supply. > Go to the Nichicon website and get the catalog which will give you a better > picture on what they offer. This is just one of the many choices you can > select. I use Nichicon Muse before and have good results. Others would have > different recommendations. > > > Good Luck, > Mike > > ------------------------------ > *From:* "N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net" > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Mon, May 9, 2011 4:10:02 AM > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Caps used in Nakamichi decks > > Thanks Bala, > > Doesn't use Nakamichi special audio (electrolytic) caps in there classic > decks? In case of replacement because of failure should we go for > dedicated audio electrolytic caps or multi purpose ones? > > Norman > > > Op Ma, 9 mei, 2011 1:49 am schreef Bala Ganesh: > > Hi Norman, > > > > > > The Shoei caps are electrolytic caps. The colour variation denotes > > temperature derating. > > > > Bala > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > On May 9, 2011, at 2:55, "Norman van Wijnen" > > wrote: > > > > > >> Haha, > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Yes thats true, but i mentioned that Nakamichi uses 3 ranges of caps in > >> the decks from SHOEI. Or isn’ t that the case? > > >> > >> > >> > >> Norman > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens > >> Ron > >> Verzonden: zondag 8 mei 2011 16:44 > >> Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >> Onderwerp: Re: [naktalk] Caps used in Nakamichi decks > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Choosing a cap by body color is the same as choosing a woman > >> by hair color -- it meas nothing and can be changed at will with no > >> effect on either performance or fidelity :-). > >> > >> By the same token, the PP orange caps that have a high failure rate > >> after 20 years or so could have been of any other color. > >> > >> -- Ron > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> From: Norman van Wijnen > >> To: naktalk at naks.com > >> Sent: Sun, May 8, 2011 6:55:10 AM > >> Subject: [naktalk] Caps used in Nakamichi decks > >> > >> > >> Hi all, > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> I wonder what the color of the Caps used in Nakamichi decks means. I > >> have seen Blue, Orange and Grey caps. > >> > >> The orange ones are sealed on the backside. Is it right to make the > >> following conclusion for replacement: > >> > >> Blue caps : replace with normal power caps. > >> > >> > >> Orange caps : use high grade audio caps > >> > >> > >> Grey caps: use high grade audio caps BiPolar such as the green BP caps > >> from Nichicon? > >> > >> > >> > >> Is this the right way to go? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Regards > >> > >> > >> Norman > >> > >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------====== > >> ==> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------======= > >> => Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------====== > >> ==========---------------------------------------------------------==== > >> ===== > >> > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at duplicationstation.com.au Tue May 10 10:03:58 2011 From: info at duplicationstation.com.au (Pete @ Duplication Station) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 18:03:58 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] newbie question - Nak 480 Message-ID: <3BA7D86B-84F5-4E85-816B-A60564263D32@duplicationstation.com.au> Hi guys, I recently bought a Nak 480, and it was running well.. However yesterday I place a cassette in it & while it would now FF, neither play nor REW work any longer, at least with this cassette. I haven't been able to test another yet as now I can't eject the cassette either. Seems like all hell has broken loose all at once! Any clues as to where i should start looking for a solution? pete From scootersemail at yahoo.com Tue May 10 23:39:16 2011 From: scootersemail at yahoo.com (scott) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 14:39:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] AC hum follows notes on music Message-ID: <885593.29831.qm@web111410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I just received a RX-505 from a friend. After listening to it for a while I noticed a low AC hum on the program. It seems to follow the program volume like a compressor pumping. In other words it gets louder with the volume of the material and stops when there is no signal. It isnt really loud but noticable. On classical music where there is a single piano note played its very noticable and as I mentioned it pumps with the notes played. It all goes away when you push stop. Is there a compression circut or some AGC circut on this deck? Wondered if anyone knows what I mean or has experienced this. Since I never had a Nakamichi deck before I just wondered if it was normal. thanks, scott From yregelman at gmail.com Wed May 11 05:06:24 2011 From: yregelman at gmail.com (Yuri Regelman) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 20:06:24 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] is Dragon's right playback channel inherently more noisy than left? In-Reply-To: <503745.77581.qm@web33301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <503745.77581.qm@web33301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Kannan, Thank you for the pointers. I believe I may have figured the issue, but I've yet to try the fix. I captured a spectrogram of the noise without a tape, as well as the spectrogram of the 400Hz calibration tape. Interestingly enough, the noise levels start the same on the low end and start diverging reaching max difference at around 2 kHz, at which point the noise level difference stays constant at 2db for the rest of the spectrum. In the 400hz tape experiment, the level of the test tone is the same on both channels (as expected), but the noise levels start diverging in exact same manner as in the case without the tape. There is more noise contributed by the tape, but the max difference is still 2db, consistently present after 2khz. This 2khz point is the same as the a point on the playback equalization graph in the service manual and makes me believe that there is a resistor tolerance issue in the playback preamp/EQ circuit, namely r506, r505 and their alter egos on the other channels. I'm guessing that it is a coincidence that the emphasis was on the right channel in both forward and reverse in my case. 2db difference may not necessarily seem like much since the spec usually advertises +/-3db tolerance, but aggregated over the large frequency range it does add up to a lot of missing signal on one channel vs the other. I'll try matching the resistor values more closely across the channels and see if it evens out the response curves. I'll keep you posted. Thanks, Yuri On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 6:32 AM, kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > No such thing I have ever noticed - check the amplifiers for NAAC part ( they are 2 sets for NAAC tracking - as there are actually 6 Playback preamps total. If this is happening even when you play reverse- it means some part of shielding is the issue on the playback amp > So check cabling from the head - > Also check powersupply decoupling for the right cannel > Kannan > > --- On Fri, 5/6/11, Yuri Regelman wrote: > >> From: Yuri Regelman >> Subject: [naktalk] is Dragon's right playback channel inherently more noisy than left? >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> Date: Friday, May 6, 2011, 7:14 PM >> I've been chasing my tale trying to >> find the cause of the right >> channel on my dragon being noiser than the left (with and >> without a >> tape) >> It seems like there is more hiss on the right channel no >> matter what I >> do.  I ended up replacing all the caps, op-amps and >> fet's on the input >> stage, calibrating playback reference levels and still, the >> right >> channel in forward and reverse has more >> noise.   I tapped into the >> audio path before the 4066 cmos switches to make sure >> nothing down the >> signal path is introducing the problem. >> The only explanation I can come up at this point is that >> the noise is >> inherent in the playback head.  The right channel >> happens to be the >> NAAC split type.  So is this a case of a defective >> playback head or do >> all Dragons have similar noise emphasis on the right >> channel? >> >> Thanks! >> Yuri >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>           Also check out the wiki! >> http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >>         Naktalk at naks.com >> mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Wed May 11 06:57:09 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 18:57:09 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] newbie question - Nak 480 In-Reply-To: <3BA7D86B-84F5-4E85-816B-A60564263D32@duplicationstation.com.au> References: <3BA7D86B-84F5-4E85-816B-A60564263D32@duplicationstation.com.au> Message-ID: I suspect the 480 is the same as the 581/582. The eject mechanism is acomplished via a cable. The clamp that secures the end of the cable is plastic and tends to break with age. There is a tech sheet on the wiki for repairing the clamp. You will need to open the cabinet to do the repair. Once the cabinet is off you can manually eject the cassette by activating the arm/spring assembly that is normally operated by the cable. After you remove that cassette, you can try another cassette to see if you actually have a problem with the deck or just a problem with a particular tape. Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Pete @ Duplication Station Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 10:04 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] newbie question - Nak 480 Hi guys, I recently bought a Nak 480, and it was running well.. However yesterday I place a cassette in it & while it would now FF, neither play nor REW work any longer, at least with this cassette. I haven't been able to test another yet as now I can't eject the cassette either. Seems like all hell has broken loose all at once! Any clues as to where i should start looking for a solution? pete ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed May 11 07:35:40 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 15:35:40 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] newbie question - Nak 480 In-Reply-To: <3BA7D86B-84F5-4E85-816B-A60564263D32@duplicationstation.com.au> References: <3BA7D86B-84F5-4E85-816B-A60564263D32@duplicationstation.com.au> Message-ID: Hi Pete, The problem seems to come from the cam wheel not operating freely as it should. Pop off the cover the locate the large geared wheel on the right of the transport as you look from the top front. Giving it a push towards the left should get it to the stop position. When it is at this position, the head assembly retracts completely and released the cassette well door. If the stuck cam us the problem, a clean and lube and new belts are in order for your machine. Bala Sent from my iPhone On May 10, 2011, at 18:03, "Pete @ Duplication Station" wrote: > Hi guys, > > I recently bought a Nak 480, and it was running well.. However yesterday I place a cassette in it & while it would now FF, neither play nor REW work any longer, at least with this cassette. I haven't been able to test another yet as now I can't eject the cassette either. Seems like all hell has broken loose all at once! > > Any clues as to where i should start looking for a solution? > > pete > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed May 11 08:30:36 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 23:30:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Caps used in Nakamichi decks In-Reply-To: References: <317793.46632.qm@web130124.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <88837141-4604-436C-9A1D-6A756A817785@yahoo.com> <2646.145.44.29.96.1304932202.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> <534070.58695.qm@web80206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <668454.40615.qm@web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Christian, One exception to this though, my suggestion, would be a upgrade in the rectifiers. Newer, faster rectifiers with quieting caps across the rectifiers definitely improve the noise floor and resolution a little bit. However, care must be exercised to ensure that the change does not work to the detriment of the sound of the deck. Regards, Bala ________________________________ From: Christian Thomas To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, May 10, 2011 5:43:42 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Caps used in Nakamichi decks Hi Norman My recommendation, for what it worth, is to try and mimic whatever was in there to begin with. In general I do not believe in "exoticising" other people's circuits unless they have made an acknowledged mistake or have got it plain wrong. Almost always you upset the balance of the circuit and most of the so called improvements tend to not be that long lasting. Ie. they may be to your taste initially but may prove wearing over time. Most of what Nakamichi did is pretty good and if you do it as a restorer (rather than a tweaker) would, you will at least always have the deck as it was supposed to be. Also, some of the tweaks that people do with lower esr caps for insance, can be actually deleterious. There are plenty of positions, in power supplies for instance, where you actively don't want the best capacitor possible - or it is a complete waste of money. If you can't find direct replacements then you can find old datasheets which will give you an idea of what type of makeup and price point the caps had. Then, from the range of a good manufacturer like Rubycon you can pick comparable types. I don't personally believe signal caps should need replacing unless they are physically damaged or dried out. They do not get the current overload that PS caps do and rarely get hot. My final piece of advice would be to try to go with one manufacturer throughout and, if you use more than one range, try to pick related ones from the same period. For example, Rubycon took a leap forward 10 or so years ago with their ZAs and ZLs (ZAs now discontinued). These are excellent capacitors but would be precisely what you don't want to put in a 70s or early 80s deck. But older and once premium but now cheaper lines will have the technology and characteristics of the era. Having said that, the main reservoir caps obey slightly different rules - and you can certainly break the single brand rule here. There really are good caps and ones that simply don't work. You'll have a number of recommendations from here (though I certainly wouldn't go so far as Black Gates or necessarily any of the very low ESR computer caps. Again Rubycon have done plenty of good caps of this size, as have BC and others. Nor do you have to go a long way up the price range to get something satifactory and I think plenty of people are happy with the ALS 30 or 40s (? model here) which are about a fiver each. But something with that spec or marginally better should fit well. All the best Christian On 9 May 2011 12:49, LENA WONG wrote: Norman: > You can try the audio grade Nichicon Muse family of capacitors if >you want to in both the signal paths as well as power supply. Go to the Nichicon >website and get the catalog which will give you a better picture on what they >offer. This is just one of the many choices you can select. I use Nichicon Muse >before and have good results. Others would have different recommendations. > > >Good Luck, >Mike > > > > ________________________________ From: "N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net" >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Mon, May 9, 2011 4:10:02 AM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Caps used in Nakamichi decks > > >Thanks Bala, > >Doesn't use Nakamichi special audio (electrolytic) caps in there classic >decks? In case of replacement because of failure should we go for >dedicated audio electrolytic caps or multi purpose ones? > >Norman > > >Op Ma, 9 mei, 2011 1:49 am schreef Bala Ganesh: >> Hi Norman, >> >> >> The Shoei caps are electrolytic caps. The colour variation denotes >> temperature derating. >> >> Bala >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> On May 9, 2011, at 2:55, "Norman van Wijnen" >> wrote: >> >> >>> Haha, >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Yes thats true, but i mentioned that Nakamichi uses 3 ranges of caps in >>> the decks from SHOEI. Or isn’ t that the case? > >>> >>> >>> >>> Norman >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens >>> Ron >>> Verzonden: zondag 8 mei 2011 16:44 >>> Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Onderwerp: Re: [naktalk] Caps used in Nakamichi decks >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Choosing a cap by body color is the same as choosing a woman >>> by hair color -- it meas nothing and can be changed at will with no >>> effect on either performance or fidelity :-). >>> >>> By the same token, the PP orange caps that have a high failure rate >>> after 20 years or so could have been of any other color. >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Norman van Wijnen >>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>> Sent: Sun, May 8, 2011 6:55:10 AM >>> Subject: [naktalk] Caps used in Nakamichi decks >>> >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I wonder what the color of the Caps used in Nakamichi decks means. I >>> have seen Blue, Orange and Grey caps. >>> >>> The orange ones are sealed on the backside. Is it right to make the >>> following conclusion for replacement: >>> >>> Blue caps : replace with normal power caps. >>> >>> >>> Orange caps : use high grade audio caps >>> >>> >>> Grey caps: use high grade audio caps BiPolar such as the green BP caps >>> from Nichicon? >>> >>> >>> >>> Is this the right way to go? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> >>> Norman >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------====== >>> ==> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------======= >>> => Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------====== >>> ==========---------------------------------------------------------==== >>> ===== >>> >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net Wed May 11 09:14:28 2011 From: N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net (N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 09:14:28 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Caps used in Nakamichi decks In-Reply-To: References: <317793.46632.qm@web130124.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <88837141-4604-436C-9A1D-6A756A817785@yahoo.com> <2646.145.44.29.96.1304932202.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> <534070.58695.qm@web80206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2353.145.44.29.96.1305098068.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> Hi Christian and Mike, Thanks for all the advise. In order to compare caps we need to have the specs of the old Shoei caps. Is there a place we can get that information? I have not found anything on the web. Norman Op Ma, 9 mei, 2011 9:43 pm schreef Christian Thomas: > Hi Norman > > > My recommendation, for what it worth, is to try and mimic whatever was in > there to begin with. In general I do not believe in "exoticising" other > people's circuits unless they have made an acknowledged mistake or have > got it plain wrong. Almost always you upset the balance of the circuit > and most of the so called improvements tend to not be that long lasting. > Ie. they > may be to your taste initially but may prove wearing over time. Most of > what Nakamichi did is pretty good and if you do it as a restorer (rather > than a tweaker) would, you will at least always have the deck as it was > supposed to be. Also, some of the tweaks that people do with lower esr > caps for insance, can be actually deleterious. There are plenty of > positions, in power supplies for instance, where you actively don't want > the best capacitor possible - or it is a complete waste of money. > > If you can't find direct replacements then you can find old datasheets > which will give you an idea of what type of makeup and price point the > caps had. Then, from the range of a good manufacturer like Rubycon you can > pick comparable types. I don't personally believe signal caps should need > replacing unless they are physically damaged or dried out. They do not > get the current overload that PS caps do and rarely get hot. My final > piece of advice would be to try to go with one manufacturer throughout > and, if you use more than one range, try to pick related ones from the > same period. For example, Rubycon took a leap forward 10 or so years ago > with their ZAs and ZLs (ZAs now discontinued). These are excellent > capacitors but would be precisely what you don't want to put in a 70s or > early 80s deck. But older and once premium but now cheaper lines will > have the technology and characteristics of the era. > > Having said that, the main reservoir caps obey slightly different rules - > and you can certainly break the single brand rule here. There really > are good caps and ones that simply don't work. You'll have a number of > recommendations from here (though I certainly wouldn't go so far as Black > Gates or necessarily any of the very low ESR computer caps. Again > Rubycon > have done plenty of good caps of this size, as have BC and others. Nor do > you have to go a long way up the price range to get something > satifactory and I think plenty of people are happy with the ALS 30 or 40s > (? model here) > which are about a fiver each. But something with that spec or marginally > better should fit well. > > All the best > Christian > On 9 May 2011 12:49, LENA WONG wrote: > > >> Norman: >> You can try the audio grade Nichicon Muse family of >> capacitors if you want to in both the signal paths as well as power >> supply. Go to the Nichicon website and get the catalog which will give >> you a better picture on what they offer. This is just one of the many >> choices you can select. I use Nichicon Muse before and have good >> results. Others would have different recommendations. >> >> >> Good Luck, >> Mike >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* "N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net" >> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> *Sent:* Mon, May 9, 2011 4:10:02 AM >> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Caps used in Nakamichi decks >> >> >> Thanks Bala, >> >> >> Doesn't use Nakamichi special audio (electrolytic) caps in there >> classic decks? In case of replacement because of failure should we go >> for dedicated audio electrolytic caps or multi purpose ones? >> >> Norman >> >> >> >> Op Ma, 9 mei, 2011 1:49 am schreef Bala Ganesh: >> >>> Hi Norman, >>> >>> >>> >>> The Shoei caps are electrolytic caps. The colour variation denotes >>> temperature derating. >>> >>> Bala >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> >>> >>> On May 9, 2011, at 2:55, "Norman van Wijnen" >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Haha, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Yes thats true, but i mentioned that Nakamichi uses 3 ranges of >>>> caps in the decks from SHOEI. Or isn’ t that the case? >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Norman >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] >>>> Namens >>>> Ron >>>> Verzonden: zondag 8 mei 2011 16:44 >>>> Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> Onderwerp: Re: [naktalk] Caps used in Nakamichi decks >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Choosing a cap by body color is the same as choosing a woman >>>> by hair color -- it meas nothing and can be changed at will with no >>>> effect on either performance or fidelity :-). >>>> >>>> By the same token, the PP orange caps that have a high failure rate >>>> after 20 years or so could have been of any other color. >>>> >>>> -- Ron >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Norman van Wijnen >>>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>>> Sent: Sun, May 8, 2011 6:55:10 AM >>>> Subject: [naktalk] Caps used in Nakamichi decks >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I wonder what the color of the Caps used in Nakamichi decks means. >>>> I >>>> have seen Blue, Orange and Grey caps. >>>> >>>> The orange ones are sealed on the backside. Is it right to make the >>>> following conclusion for replacement: >>>> >>>> Blue caps : replace with normal power caps. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Orange caps : use high grade audio caps >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Grey caps: use high grade audio caps BiPolar such as the green BP >>>> caps from Nichicon? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Is this the right way to go? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Norman >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------== >>>> ===> >> ==> Also check out the wiki! >>>> http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=== >>>> ===> >> => Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: >>>> >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------== >>>> ===> >> >>>> ==========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ===> >> ====> >> >>>> >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> >>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------====== >> ==> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> >>> Maintain your account here: >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------====== >> ==> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------======= >> => Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------======= >> => Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------====== >> ==> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------======= >> => Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------======= >> => Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------====== >> ==> >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------======== > = > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net Wed May 11 12:20:57 2011 From: N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net (N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 12:20:57 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] AC hum follows notes on music In-Reply-To: <885593.29831.qm@web111410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <885593.29831.qm@web111410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3690.145.44.29.96.1305109257.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> Hi Scott, In the '80's i bought a NR200 dolby C unit. This unit had also a pumping noise. The unit pumps also after recalibration. I've send that unit to Transtec (former Nakamichi importer here in the Netherlands) and after a time of listening to the unit they decided to replace the Dolby ic's. After that replacement the unit works flawless. Strange story after all but your case does remind me. Maybe a Dolby IC problem Norman Op Di, 10 mei, 2011 11:39 pm schreef scott: > I just received a RX-505 from a friend. After listening to it for a while > I noticed a low AC hum on the program. It seems to follow the program > volume like a compressor pumping. In other words it gets louder with the > volume of the material and stops when there is no signal. It isnt really > loud but noticable. On classical music where there is a single piano note > played its very noticable and as I mentioned it pumps with the notes > played. It all goes away when you push stop. Is there a compression > circut or some AGC circut on this deck? Wondered if anyone knows what I > mean or has experienced this. Since I never had a Nakamichi deck before I > just wondered if it was normal. thanks, scott > ========---------------------------------------------------------======== > = > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Wed May 11 13:07:19 2011 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 04:07:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] AC hum follows notes on music In-Reply-To: <885593.29831.qm@web111410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <763709.18233.qm@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> All Naks have muting transistors - to mute the playback during transport operations other than play/record and FF/Pause/rev together. your sample may have issues with one or more of such muting circuit causing issues kannan --- On Tue, 5/10/11, scott wrote: > From: scott > Subject: [naktalk] AC hum follows notes on music > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Tuesday, May 10, 2011, 5:39 PM > I just received a RX-505 from a > friend. After listening to it for a while I noticed a low AC > hum on the program. It seems to follow the program volume > like a compressor pumping. In other words it gets louder > with the volume of the material and stops when there is no > signal. It isnt really loud but noticable. On classical > music where there is a single piano note played its very > noticable and as I mentioned it pumps with the notes played. > It all goes away when you push stop. Is there a compression > circut or some AGC circut on this deck? Wondered if anyone > knows what I mean or has experienced this. Since I never had > a Nakamichi deck before I just wondered if it was normal. > thanks, > scott > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >           Also check out the wiki! > http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                 >         Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed May 11 13:54:27 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 21:54:27 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] AC hum follows notes on music In-Reply-To: <885593.29831.qm@web111410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <885593.29831.qm@web111410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Scott, The pumping reminds me of a bad setting on an outboard DBX unit. I would suspect the Dolby NR circuits. Check the caps and ensure their working ok. Bala. Sent from my iPhone On May 11, 2011, at 7:39, scott wrote: > I just received a RX-505 from a friend. After listening to it for a while I noticed a low AC hum on the program. It seems to follow the program volume like a compressor pumping. In other words it gets louder with the volume of the material and stops when there is no signal. It isnt really loud but noticable. On classical music where there is a single piano note played its very noticable and as I mentioned it pumps with the notes played. It all goes away when you push stop. Is there a compression circut or some AGC circut on this deck? Wondered if anyone knows what I mean or has experienced this. Since I never had a Nakamichi deck before I just wondered if it was normal. > thanks, > scott > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From dieseldude1 at gmail.com Wed May 11 07:41:08 2011 From: dieseldude1 at gmail.com (Samuel Crider) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 00:41:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Caps used in Nakamichi decks In-Reply-To: References: <317793.46632.qm@web130124.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <88837141-4604-436C-9A1D-6A756A817785@yahoo.com> <2646.145.44.29.96.1304932202.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> <534070.58695.qm@web80206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: After repairing/moding equipment for many years in the lifelong search for audio bliss... I have conculded that in new R&D development. The choice of caps must of been of first order. Thus all development foward is tweaked and built around the voicing of the caps in question. Which means if the desired audio outcome could not be obtaied, then and only then a change in cap choice would be made. At which point the process repeated. The cats at Nak really operated outside the normal confines. Which is what made them so desiberable. So, my advice is to pick up a donor unit and repair with the oem caps. The newer units may have lower pf thus shifting the oem circuit. Needless to say, I have attempted many a cap upgrade with questionable results. So, with all that being said...I totally do agree with using Hexfred's as well as improved slightly larger filters in power supplys. As for the rest of the ballpart, if you can stick with oem. Best of luck, Samuel Crider New Orleans ZX-7,BX-300,MR-3's etc. On 5/9/11, Christian Thomas wrote: > Hi Norman > > My recommendation, for what it worth, is to try and mimic whatever was in > there to begin with. In general I do not believe in "exoticising" other > people's circuits unless they have made an acknowledged mistake or have got > it plain wrong. Almost always you upset the balance of the circuit and most > of the so called improvements tend to not be that long lasting. Ie. they > may be to your taste initially but may prove wearing over time. Most of > what Nakamichi did is pretty good and if you do it as a restorer (rather > than a tweaker) would, you will at least always have the deck as it was > supposed to be. Also, some of the tweaks that people do with lower esr caps > for insance, can be actually deleterious. There are plenty of positions, in > power supplies for instance, where you actively don't want the best > capacitor possible - or it is a complete waste of money. > > If you can't find direct replacements then you can find old datasheets which > will give you an idea of what type of makeup and price point the caps had. > Then, from the range of a good manufacturer like Rubycon you can pick > comparable types. I don't personally believe signal caps should need > replacing unless they are physically damaged or dried out. They do not get > the current overload that PS caps do and rarely get hot. My final piece of > advice would be to try to go with one manufacturer throughout and, if you > use more than one range, try to pick related ones from the same period. For > example, Rubycon took a leap forward 10 or so years ago with their ZAs and > ZLs (ZAs now discontinued). These are excellent capacitors but would be > precisely what you don't want to put in a 70s or early 80s deck. But older > and once premium but now cheaper lines will have the technology and > characteristics of the era. > > Having said that, the main reservoir caps obey slightly different rules - > and you can certainly break the single brand rule here. There really are > good caps and ones that simply don't work. You'll have a number of > recommendations from here (though I certainly wouldn't go so far as Black > Gates or necessarily any of the very low ESR computer caps. Again Rubycon > have done plenty of good caps of this size, as have BC and others. Nor do > you have to go a long way up the price range to get something satifactory > and I think plenty of people are happy with the ALS 30 or 40s (? model here) > which are about a fiver each. But something with that spec or marginally > better should fit well. > > All the best > Christian > On 9 May 2011 12:49, LENA WONG wrote: > >> Norman: >> You can try the audio grade Nichicon Muse family of >> capacitors if you want to in both the signal paths as well as power >> supply. >> Go to the Nichicon website and get the catalog which will give you a >> better >> picture on what they offer. This is just one of the many choices you can >> select. I use Nichicon Muse before and have good results. Others would >> have >> different recommendations. >> >> >> Good Luck, >> Mike >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* "N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net" >> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> *Sent:* Mon, May 9, 2011 4:10:02 AM >> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Caps used in Nakamichi decks >> >> Thanks Bala, >> >> Doesn't use Nakamichi special audio (electrolytic) caps in there classic >> decks? In case of replacement because of failure should we go for >> dedicated audio electrolytic caps or multi purpose ones? >> >> Norman >> >> >> Op Ma, 9 mei, 2011 1:49 am schreef Bala Ganesh: >> > Hi Norman, >> > >> > >> > The Shoei caps are electrolytic caps. The colour variation denotes >> > temperature derating. >> > >> > Bala >> > >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > >> > >> > On May 9, 2011, at 2:55, "Norman van Wijnen" >> > wrote: >> > >> > >> >> Haha, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Yes thats true, but i mentioned that Nakamichi uses 3 ranges of caps in >> >> the decks from SHOEI. Or isn’ t that the case? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Norman >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens >> >> Ron >> >> Verzonden: zondag 8 mei 2011 16:44 >> >> Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >> Onderwerp: Re: [naktalk] Caps used in Nakamichi decks >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Choosing a cap by body color is the same as choosing a woman >> >> by hair color -- it meas nothing and can be changed at will with no >> >> effect on either performance or fidelity :-). >> >> >> >> By the same token, the PP orange caps that have a high failure rate >> >> after 20 years or so could have been of any other color. >> >> >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Norman van Wijnen >> >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> >> Sent: Sun, May 8, 2011 6:55:10 AM >> >> Subject: [naktalk] Caps used in Nakamichi decks >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi all, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I wonder what the color of the Caps used in Nakamichi decks means. I >> >> have seen Blue, Orange and Grey caps. >> >> >> >> The orange ones are sealed on the backside. Is it right to make the >> >> following conclusion for replacement: >> >> >> >> Blue caps : replace with normal power caps. >> >> >> >> >> >> Orange caps : use high grade audio caps >> >> >> >> >> >> Grey caps: use high grade audio caps BiPolar such as the green BP caps >> >> from Nichicon? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Is this the right way to go? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> >> >> >> >> Norman >> >> >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------====== >> >> ==> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------======= >> >> => Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------====== >> >> ==========---------------------------------------------------------==== >> >> ===== >> >> >> > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > From lenaw at flash.net Wed May 11 16:58:08 2011 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 07:58:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Caps used in Nakamichi decks In-Reply-To: <2353.145.44.29.96.1305098068.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> References: <317793.46632.qm@web130124.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <88837141-4604-436C-9A1D-6A756A817785@yahoo.com> <2646.145.44.29.96.1304932202.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> <534070.58695.qm@web80206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <2353.145.44.29.96.1305098068.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> Message-ID: <872437.87515.qm@web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Norman:                    Shoei might have been bought out by somebody. I recall I download a copy of Shoei catalog couple of years ago and I will try to find it later today. If I locate it I will send an update email to you. Mike ________________________________ From: "N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net" To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wed, May 11, 2011 2:14:28 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Caps used in Nakamichi decks Hi Christian and Mike, Thanks for all the advise. In order to compare caps we need to have the specs of the old Shoei caps. Is there a place we can get that information? I have not found anything on the web. Norman Op Ma, 9 mei, 2011 9:43 pm schreef Christian Thomas: > Hi Norman > > > My recommendation, for what it worth, is to try and mimic whatever was in >  there to begin with.  In general I do not believe in "exoticising" other >  people's circuits unless they have made an acknowledged mistake or have > got it plain wrong.  Almost always you upset the balance of the circuit > and most of the so called improvements tend to not be that long lasting. > Ie. they > may be to your taste initially but may prove wearing over time.  Most of > what Nakamichi did is pretty good and if you do it as a restorer (rather > than a tweaker) would, you will at least always have the deck as it was > supposed to be.  Also, some of the tweaks that people do with lower esr > caps for insance, can be actually deleterious.  There are plenty of > positions, in power supplies for instance, where you actively don't want > the best capacitor possible - or it is a complete waste of money. > > If you can't find direct replacements then you can find old datasheets > which will give you an idea of what type of makeup and price point the > caps had. Then, from the range of a good manufacturer like Rubycon you can > pick comparable types.  I don't personally believe signal caps should need >  replacing unless they are physically damaged or dried out.  They do not > get the current overload that PS caps do and rarely get hot.  My final > piece of advice would be to try to go with one manufacturer throughout > and, if you use more than one range, try to pick related ones from the > same period.  For example, Rubycon took a leap forward 10 or so years ago > with their ZAs and ZLs (ZAs now discontinued).  These are excellent > capacitors but would be precisely what you don't want to put in a 70s or > early 80s deck.  But older and once premium but now cheaper lines will > have the technology and characteristics of the era. > > Having said that, the main reservoir caps obey slightly different rules - >  and you can certainly break the single brand rule here.  There really > are good caps and ones that simply don't work.  You'll have a number of > recommendations from here (though I certainly wouldn't go so far as Black >  Gates or necessarily any of the very low ESR computer caps.  Again > Rubycon > have done plenty of good caps of this size, as have BC and others.  Nor do >  you have to go a long way up the price range to get something > satifactory and I think plenty of people are happy with the ALS 30 or 40s > (? model here) > which are about a fiver each.  But something with that spec or marginally > better should fit well. > > All the best > Christian > On 9 May 2011 12:49, LENA WONG wrote: > > >> Norman: >> You can try the audio grade Nichicon Muse family of >> capacitors if you want to in both the signal paths as well as power >> supply. Go to the Nichicon website and get the catalog which will give >> you a better picture on what they offer. This is just one of the many >> choices you can select. I use Nichicon Muse before and have good >> results. Others would have different recommendations. >> >> >> Good Luck, >> Mike >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* "N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net" >> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> *Sent:* Mon, May 9, 2011 4:10:02 AM >> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Caps used in Nakamichi decks >> >> >> Thanks Bala, >> >> >> Doesn't use Nakamichi special audio (electrolytic) caps in there >> classic decks? In case of replacement because of failure should we go >> for dedicated audio electrolytic caps or multi purpose ones? >> >> Norman >> >> >> >> Op Ma, 9 mei, 2011 1:49 am schreef Bala Ganesh: >> >>> Hi Norman, >>> >>> >>> >>> The Shoei caps are electrolytic caps. The colour variation denotes >>> temperature derating. >>> >>> Bala >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> >>> >>> On May 9, 2011, at 2:55, "Norman van Wijnen" >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Haha, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Yes thats true, but i mentioned that Nakamichi uses 3 ranges of >>>> caps in the decks from SHOEI.  Or isn’ t that the case? >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Norman >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] >>>> Namens >>>> Ron >>>> Verzonden: zondag 8 mei 2011 16:44 >>>> Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> Onderwerp: Re: [naktalk] Caps used in Nakamichi decks >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Choosing a cap by body color is the same as choosing a woman >>>> by hair color -- it meas nothing and can be changed at will with no >>>> effect on either performance or fidelity  :-). >>>> >>>> By the same token, the PP orange caps that have a high failure rate >>>>  after 20 years or so could have been of any other color. >>>> >>>> -- Ron >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Norman van Wijnen >>>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>>> Sent: Sun, May 8, 2011 6:55:10 AM >>>> Subject: [naktalk] Caps used in Nakamichi decks >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I wonder what the color of the Caps used in Nakamichi decks means. >>>> I >>>> have seen Blue, Orange and Grey caps. >>>> >>>> The orange ones are sealed on the backside. Is it right to make the >>>>  following conclusion for replacement: >>>> >>>> Blue caps : replace with normal power caps. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Orange caps : use high grade audio caps >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Grey caps: use high grade audio caps BiPolar such as the green BP >>>> caps from Nichicon? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Is this the right way to go? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Norman >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------== >>>> ===> >> ==>          Also check out the wiki! >>>> http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=== >>>> ===> >> =>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: >>>> >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------== >>>> ===> >> >>>> ==========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ===> >> ====> >> >>>> >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> >>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------====== >> ==> >  Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> >>> Maintain your account here: >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------====== >> ==> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------======= >> =>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------======= >> =>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------====== >> ==> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------======= >> =>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------======= >> =>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------====== >> ==> >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------======== > = > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >  Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Wed May 11 21:05:11 2011 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 12:05:11 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] BX-1 Smell Question In-Reply-To: <875212.64051.qm@web130106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <6D611B2C-9BFB-4B0D-A85C-BB055F320ED9@bgock.com> <875212.64051.qm@web130106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The issue is often not "does it get hot?" but rather, "does it keep getting hotter and hotter?" At my repair shop we use a digital thermometer that measures infra-red emissions from the target object and converts these data into temperature. Voltage regulator transistors, for example, will run very hot, but after, say, fifteen minutes warmup time, the temperature should stabalize. If it doesn't, you have a problem. Ron is correct about the "smell" being due to dust and pollution that have gathered on internal parts. It's also true that some parts, especially power resistors, sometimes give off a faint odor that appears to be "natural" to the device. Fred Fred Longworth MBA, CHMM Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F San Diego, CA 92116 (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 Fax: (619) 282-7872 classicaudiorepair at gmail.com stereo1 at cox.net www.repairaudio.com On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 3:46 PM, Ron wrote: > > "A bit" warm is probably OK, but nothing should > be too hot to the touch. I would let it run for several > hours with the cover on (but not bolted), then lift the > cover and see if anything is too hot. > > The smell could be due to dust and/or pollution that > accumulated during a longish period of storage. If so, > it should slowly disappear. > > -- Ron > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Max Dawson > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Sent:* Fri, May 6, 2011 11:54:13 PM > *Subject:* [naktalk] BX-1 Smell Question > > I am as of today the new owner of a lovely Nakamichi BX-1. I've been > playing around with it all day, and I'm starting to notice a distinct smell > coming out of it. I wouldn't call it a burning smell - more a *hot* smell. > The deck is working fine and sounding great, and when I popped off the case > and looked inside everything seemed OK. The only unusual thing I noticed was > that the area around the power supply was a bit warm. > > Does anyone have any ideas about what I might be experiencing? Although I > spent some time cleaning it, the deck does have a bit of grime, which I > realize could be a part of this. Any advice would be greatly appreciated! > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From adrian at mechner.net Thu May 12 10:23:15 2011 From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 01:23:15 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 480Z recording problems, Please help. Message-ID: <010c01cc107d$d7ff2200$87fd6600$@net> I got a non working 480Z. Tape did not move in any way (FF, REW or Play) I figured it out very fast that is was dried grease and 30 sec later I had a running deck! I started doing recording tests and during my test at half of a 90 min tape (when I had to turn a vinyl) I was sure the recording started normally. I only found out at end of tape that after having paused the recording at half tape it stopped working proper. As of now there is superb play and recording is at very low (controls at max and signal at min). I figured it out after reading A loot that it's only one cause for that, the orange capacitors. I have the service manual for the 480 (non Z). I have a hard time finding the right orange caps to be replaced (C 302 and C303 at 4700 Pico Farad). Would you mind telling me where to find them or eventually post a photo. I know it sounds stupid, but the C 303 appears to be electrolytic so this is why I'm asking. I also have that very bad smell which had been described for a BX 1 not a long time ago. I must say that the unit is perfectly clean but I have the feeling that the power source heats up in excess. I took it out of the house and left it powered on, but the smell is still present. Any advice here? Other than that it works fine; the sound is stunning. I compared it against my 3 Head Sony 615S and I really got mad on how bad the Sony is if you have a Nak to test it against. I burned a disc with a test signal generated by the Sony at - 18dB and did BIAS adjustments in rec mode before the rec function died. The recording was perfect at almost any position of the adjustment control and only right channel blinked on one LED with BIAS at +max with TDK SA, Maxell UR II and even Maxell UR. I would really want to restore this unit because I can tell it's worth doing it. Thanks in advance, Edit/Delete Message Adrian S. Mechner -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.gif Type: image/gif Size: 2102 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ct.waveform at googlemail.com Thu May 12 16:41:06 2011 From: ct.waveform at googlemail.com (Christian Thomas) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 15:41:06 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] AC hum follows notes on music In-Reply-To: References: <885593.29831.qm@web111410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Scott Another possibility - hope it doesn't add to the confusion - but my instinct points me to a power supply problem. Maybe the main power supply caps have almost completely gone. This could manifest for a couple of reasons. When under load the current draw will increase and the output voltage will follow the charging ripple, meaning that more is on the supply lines. Moreover, this could mean lower voltages prior to regulators which could mean they stop regulating as they fall earlier into their drop out gap. This would put ripple directly into the power lines of amplifier sections. The happy thing about this is that you can quite easily check for it. A multimeter will be perfectly adequate to let you see if the voltages sag though a scope will really tell you what's going on. And, if you plump for changing the caps, you will have done no harm (see recent posts on this subject) and maybe some good. Let's see if some of the real Nak specialists concur with this and if it gets their endorsement, you may have an easy answer. Best wishes Christian On 11 May 2011 12:54, Bala Ganesh wrote: > Hi Scott, > > The pumping reminds me of a bad setting on an outboard DBX unit. I would > suspect the Dolby NR circuits. Check the caps and ensure their working ok. > > Bala. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 11, 2011, at 7:39, scott wrote: > > > I just received a RX-505 from a friend. After listening to it for a while > I noticed a low AC hum on the program. It seems to follow the program volume > like a compressor pumping. In other words it gets louder with the volume of > the material and stops when there is no signal. It isnt really loud but > noticable. On classical music where there is a single piano note played its > very noticable and as I mentioned it pumps with the notes played. It all > goes away when you push stop. Is there a compression circut or some AGC > circut on this deck? Wondered if anyone knows what I mean or has experienced > this. 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The 582 plays everything without a hitch with some tension in play back which releases once the fast forward button is pressed. On the 581 the little tension felt disk and spring seem to be ok. The idler tire is good too. Apparently it was changed a few years ago according to my friend. The cam adjustment for play and stop is correct. So I don't know. According to the manual the take up hub and the supply hub have different numbers. F14 and F15 respectively. To me they look identical. If anyone knows the difference please tell me. When we put a stronger spring in front of the tension felt disk the playback tension was good and the bad cassettes played but it slowed down the fast forward drastically as the higher tension became constant without being released in fast forward. So that was no good. Anyway, only a very few tapes are affected as the deck plays really well otherwise and after all it was supposed to be a "parts deck" but it turned out to be really solid and sounds good so if anyone has any ideas on this I'd highly appreciate it. Once again no tension on the left hub in playback. Thanks Peter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri May 13 06:00:26 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 21:00:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 581 transport problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <98973.79122.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Peter, Have you checked that the pinch rollers are in good condition and that they are engaging full stroke ? Bala ________________________________ From: Peter Tanner To: naktalk naktalk Sent: Fri, May 13, 2011 9:45:03 AM Subject: [naktalk] 581 transport problem Hi everybody, I got a 581 some time ago. Was nonfunctional and I got it for parts for my 582. A friend sold it to me and it was for almost nothing. It looked good but I had no time so for months I never touched it but a week ago I finally got around checking it out. It needed a new control motor belt and the eject mechanism had to be fixed. I did that and it works and sounds just fine. Put one of Fred Marrs capstan belt on it as well. So a parts deck turned out to be a good one. There is only one little problem though. The supply hub doesn't seem to have any tension on it in play back so some of the poorer quality tapes tend to get skewed and chewed up especially if there is an inherent problem with the cassettes themselves. The guides are adjusted properly with Willy's gauge. The 582 plays everything without a hitch with some tension in play back which releases once the fast forward button is pressed. On the 581 the little tension felt disk and spring seem to be ok. The idler tire is good too. Apparently it was changed a few years ago according to my friend. The cam adjustment for play and stop is correct. So I don't know. According to the manual the take up hub and the supply hub have different numbers. F14 and F15 respectively. To me they look identical. If anyone knows the difference please tell me. When we put a stronger spring in front of the tension felt disk the playback tension was good and the bad cassettes played but it slowed down the fast forward drastically as the higher tension became constant without being released in fast forward. So that was no good. Anyway, only a very few tapes are affected as the deck plays really well otherwise and after all it was supposed to be a "parts deck" but it turned out to be really solid and sounds good so if anyone has any ideas on this I'd highly appreciate it. Once again no tension on the left hub in playback. Thanks Peter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Tim Someone last week asked about TDK-SM professional tapes. Tim, I think. Well yesterday I gave them a test in a ZX-7, CR-5, and an LX-5. I had these tapes around for several years and they had been recorded on once and maybe played a couple times at the most. I know sound is different to everyone but I have to say that these tapes are every bit as good as any metal I've tried, on all these 3 decks. If anyone has a chance to get some, I would highly recommend them. Bob N I just bought some TDK SM Pro Premium High bias tape from J&R for $4 each. Looks like pretty good specs, I think. Anyone have experience with these? Comparable to TDK SA? Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ram. --- On Thu, 5/12/11, Tim and Pam Sepper wrote: From: Tim and Pam Sepper Subject: [naktalk] Re: TDK SM - Sony XR 60 cassettes To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, May 12, 2011, 11:45 PM Thanks Bob; that confirmed what I had suspected regarding this tape.  Here are some specs on this tape from J&R’s website photo: Professional Multitrack Studio Master, High Bias position type II, cobalt absorbed super avilyn, 70 microsecond EQ, 680 coercivity, 1750 guass remanence, whatever those specs mean.  But, I see the cost of the tape at JR.com is now up to $6 each.  I noticed tonight that one can get Sony XR 60 metal tape at NationalAudioCompany.com for only $2.50 each!  That may be the best deal if the tape is good.  Any users of it?  Is this Sony metal tape compatible with the metal type IV equalization setting on my DR-1?  I have a bias fine tune so I assume it can be tweaked.  Tim      Someone last week asked about TDK-SM professional tapes.  Tim, I think.Well yesterday I gave them a test in a ZX-7, CR-5, and an LX-5.  I had these tapes around for several years and they had been recorded on once and maybe played a couple times at the most.  I know sound is different to everyone but I have to say that these tapes are every bit as good as any metal I've tried, on all these 3 decks.  If anyone has a chance to get some, I would highly recommend them.Bob N  I just bought some TDK SM Pro Premium High bias tape from J&R for $4 each.Looks like pretty good specs, I think.  Anyone have experience with these?Comparable to TDK SA?  Tim       -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It needed a new control motor belt and the eject mechanism had to be fixed. I did that and it works and sounds just fine. Put one of Fred Marrs capstan belt on it as well. So a parts deck turned out to be a good one. There is only one little problem though. The supply hub doesn't seem to have any tension on it in play back so some of the poorer quality tapes tend to get skewed and chewed up especially if there is an inherent problem with the cassettes themselves. The guides are adjusted properly with Willy's gauge. The 582 plays everything without a hitch with some tension in play back which releases once the fast forward button is pressed. On the 581 the little tension felt disk and spring seem to be ok. The idler tire is good too. Apparently it was changed a few years ago according to my friend. The cam adjustment for play and stop is correct. So I don't know. According to the manual the take up hub and the supply hub have different numbers. F14 and F15 respectively. To me they look identical. If anyone knows the difference please tell me. When we put a stronger spring in front of the tension felt disk the playback tension was good and the bad cassettes played but it slowed down the fast forward drastically as the higher tension became constant without being released in fast forward. So that was no good. Anyway, only a very few tapes are affected as the deck plays really well otherwise and after all it was supposed to be a "parts deck" but it turned out to be really solid and sounds good so if anyone has any ideas on this I'd highly appreciate it. Once again no tension on the left hub in playback. Thanks Peter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pbtanner at hotmail.com Fri May 13 19:30:10 2011 From: pbtanner at hotmail.com (Peter Tanner) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 17:30:10 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 581 transport problem In-Reply-To: <98973.79122.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: , <98973.79122.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes, I have, Bala. Both are good and clean. Checked speed too. Right on. I think there must be something else there. The left hub or supply hub should be restrained somehow in play mode so that the tape is tensioned. This tensionig is released as soon as the fast forward is engaged. At least that's what the other two decks I have do. A 582 and a 481Z in mint condition. They play everything regardless the quality of the cassette. Peter Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 21:00:26 -0700 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] 581 transport problem To: naktalk at naks.com Peter, Have you checked that the pinch rollers are in good condition and that they are engaging full stroke ? Bala From: Peter Tanner To: naktalk naktalk Sent: Fri, May 13, 2011 9:45:03 AM Subject: [naktalk] 581 transport problem Hi everybody, I got a 581 some time ago. Was nonfunctional and I got it for parts for my 582. A friend sold it to me and it was for almost nothing. It looked good but I had no time so for months I never touched it but a week ago I finally got around checking it out. It needed a new control motor belt and the eject mechanism had to be fixed. I did that and it works and sounds just fine. Put one of Fred Marrs capstan belt on it as well. So a parts deck turned out to be a good one. There is only one little problem though. The supply hub doesn't seem to have any tension on it in play back so some of the poorer quality tapes tend to get skewed and chewed up especially if there is an inherent problem with the cassettes themselves. The guides are adjusted properly with Willy's gauge. The 582 plays everything without a hitch with some tension in play back which releases once the fast forward button is pressed. On the 581 the little tension felt disk and spring seem to be ok. The idler tire is good too. Apparently it was changed a few years ago according to my friend. The cam adjustment for play and stop is correct. So I don't know. According to the manual the take up hub and the supply hub have different numbers. F14 and F15 respectively. To me they look identical. If anyone knows the difference please tell me. When we put a stronger spring in front of the tension felt disk the playback tension was good and the bad cassettes played but it slowed down the fast forward drastically as the higher tension became constant without being released in fast forward. So that was no good. Anyway, only a very few tapes are affected as the deck plays really well otherwise and after all it was supposed to be a "parts deck" but it turned out to be really solid and sounds good so if anyone has any ideas on this I'd highly appreciate it. Once again no tension on the left hub in playback. Thanks Peter ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ewv.tap.nak at moosecove.org Fri May 13 19:30:32 2011 From: ewv.tap.nak at moosecove.org (Erich Veyhl) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 13:30:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] transistors no longer available? In-Reply-To: <201105131009.p4DA88oU020274@zxe.naks.com> References: <201105131009.p4DA88oU020274@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <0LL500ATO9YT7EA0@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> As a general question, are there transistors used in vintage decks (including portables) that are no longer replaceable with an equivalent from any source? Are some types becoming so rare that they should be acquired and saved because they may not be available in the foreseeable future? From pbtanner at hotmail.com Sat May 14 00:07:12 2011 From: pbtanner at hotmail.com (Peter Tanner) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 22:07:12 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 581 transport problem In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Thanks Cheryl, they are in position. I was wondering if this symptom, lack of tension on the supply reel, is not caused by those little rubber pads underneath. They are engaged by the control cam but I am not quite sure in what manner and what they actually do. Somewhere along the line something is supposed to brake that supply hub in playback mode so that the tape is streched before it hits the supply guide. Then that braking action is released once the deck is in fast forward mode. Cheers Peter From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] 581 transport problem Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 11:06:40 -1000 Peter, Check and make sure the supply hub/reel is assembled correctly. The top part has 3 square rectangular teeth that fit in 3 matching "detent" positions. These two main pieces NOT fit such that the teeth "engage" the slots. Aloha, Cheryl From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Peter Tanner Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 1:45 PM To: naktalk naktalk Subject: [naktalk] 581 transport problem Hi everybody, I got a 581 some time ago. Was nonfunctional and I got it for parts for my 582. A friend sold it to me and it was for almost nothing. It looked good but I had no time so for months I never touched it but a week ago I finally got around checking it out. It needed a new control motor belt and the eject mechanism had to be fixed. I did that and it works and sounds just fine. Put one of Fred Marrs capstan belt on it as well. So a parts deck turned out to be a good one. There is only one little problem though. The supply hub doesn't seem to have any tension on it in play back so some of the poorer quality tapes tend to get skewed and chewed up especially if there is an inherent problem with the cassettes themselves. The guides are adjusted properly with Willy's gauge. The 582 plays everything without a hitch with some tension in play back which releases once the fast forward button is pressed. On the 581 the little tension felt disk and spring seem to be ok. The idler tire is good too. Apparently it was changed a few years ago according to my friend. The cam adjustment for play and stop is correct. So I don't know. According to the manual the take up hub and the supply hub have different numbers. F14 and F15 respectively. To me they look identical. If anyone knows the difference please tell me. When we put a stronger spring in front of the tension felt disk the playback tension was good and the bad cassettes played but it slowed down the fast forward drastically as the higher tension became constant without being released in fast forward. So that was no good. Anyway, only a very few tapes are affected as the deck plays really well otherwise and after all it was supposed to be a "parts deck" but it turned out to be really solid and sounds good so if anyone has any ideas on this I'd highly appreciate it. Once again no tension on the left hub in playback. Thanks Peter ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat May 14 02:12:00 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 10:12:00 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] 581 transport problem In-Reply-To: References: <98973.79122.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Then there would be two places I would suspect your problem to be: 1. Assembly of the supply side spindles ( springs, washers, fasteners) 2. Checking of the tape tension. Also, are the reel spindle brakes being released correctly? There is a very delicate white plastic 'yoke' that flexes when releasing or applying the brakes. Check that this assembly is ok. Bala Sent from my iPhone On May 14, 2011, at 3:30, Peter Tanner wrote: > Yes, I have, Bala. Both are good and clean. Checked speed too. Right on. > I think there must be something else there. The left hub or supply hub should be restrained somehow in play mode so that the tape is tensioned. This tensionig is released as soon as the fast forward is engaged. At least that's what the other two decks I have do. A 582 and a 481Z in mint condition. They play everything regardless the quality of the cassette. > > Peter > Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 21:00:26 -0700 > From: bg3009 at yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 581 transport problem > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Peter, > > Have you checked that the pinch rollers are in good condition and that they are engaging full stroke ? > > Bala > > From: Peter Tanner > To: naktalk naktalk > Sent: Fri, May 13, 2011 9:45:03 AM > Subject: [naktalk] 581 transport problem > > Hi everybody, > > I got a 581 some time ago. Was nonfunctional and I got it for parts for my 582. A friend sold it to me and it was for almost nothing. It looked good but I had no time so for months I never touched it but a week ago I finally got around checking it out. It needed a new control motor belt and the eject mechanism had to be fixed. I did that and it works and sounds just fine. Put one of Fred Marrs capstan belt on it as well. So a parts deck turned out to be a good one. There is only one little problem though. The supply hub doesn't seem to have any tension on it in play back so some of the poorer quality tapes tend to get skewed and chewed up especially if there is an inherent problem with the cassettes themselves. The guides are adjusted properly with Willy's gauge. The 582 plays everything without a hitch with some tension in play back which releases once the fast forward button is pressed. On the 581 the little tension felt disk and spring seem to be ok. The idler tire is good too. Apparently it was changed a few years ago according to my friend. The cam adjustment for play and stop is correct. So I don't know. According to the manual the take up hub and the supply hub have different numbers. F14 and F15 respectively. To me they look identical. If anyone knows the difference please tell me. When we put a stronger spring in front of the tension felt disk the playback tension was good and the bad cassettes played but it slowed down the fast forward drastically as the higher tension became constant without being released in fast forward. So that was no good. Anyway, only a very few tapes are affected as the deck plays really well otherwise and after all it was supposed to be a "parts deck" but it turned out to be really solid and sounds good so if anyone has any ideas on this I'd highly appreciate it. Once again no tension on the left hub in playback. 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URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Sat May 14 02:27:37 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 17:27:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] transistors no longer available? In-Reply-To: <0LL500ATO9YT7EA0@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <149785.57404.qm@web130104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> AFAIK, all transistors used in Nak decks are Si. Even if original types are no longer available, it's highly likely that a suitable replacement can be found for most of them, though not all. This, however, is not true for some key ICs such as processors. -- Ron --- On Fri, 5/13/11, Erich Veyhl wrote: > From: Erich Veyhl > Subject: [naktalk] transistors no longer available? > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Friday, May 13, 2011, 1:30 PM > As a general question, are there > transistors used in vintage decks (including portables) that > are no longer replaceable with an equivalent from any > source?  Are some types becoming so rare that they > should be acquired and saved because they may not be > available in the foreseeable future? > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the > wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                 >        Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Sat May 14 02:58:52 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 14:58:52 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] 581 transport problem In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Is the little spring properly engaged? _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Peter Tanner Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 12:07 PM To: naktalk naktalk Subject: RE: [naktalk] 581 transport problem Thanks Cheryl, they are in position. I was wondering if this symptom, lack of tension on the supply reel, is not caused by those little rubber pads underneath. They are engaged by the control cam but I am not quite sure in what manner and what they actually do. Somewhere along the line something is supposed to brake that supply hub in playback mode so that the tape is streched before it hits the supply guide. Then that braking action is released once the deck is in fast forward mode. Cheers Peter _____ From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] 581 transport problem Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 11:06:40 -1000 Peter, Check and make sure the supply hub/reel is assembled correctly. The top part has 3 square rectangular teeth that fit in 3 matching "detent" positions. These two main pieces NOT fit such that the teeth "engage" the slots. Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Peter Tanner Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 1:45 PM To: naktalk naktalk Subject: [naktalk] 581 transport problem Hi everybody, I got a 581 some time ago. Was nonfunctional and I got it for parts for my 582. A friend sold it to me and it was for almost nothing. It looked good but I had no time so for months I never touched it but a week ago I finally got around checking it out. It needed a new control motor belt and the eject mechanism had to be fixed. I did that and it works and sounds just fine. Put one of Fred Marrs capstan belt on it as well. So a parts deck turned out to be a good one. There is only one little problem though. The supply hub doesn't seem to have any tension on it in play back so some of the poorer quality tapes tend to get skewed and chewed up especially if there is an inherent problem with the cassettes themselves. The guides are adjusted properly with Willy's gauge. The 582 plays everything without a hitch with some tension in play back which releases once the fast forward button is pressed. On the 581 the little tension felt disk and spring seem to be ok. The idler tire is good too. Apparently it was changed a few years ago according to my friend. The cam adjustment for play and stop is correct. So I don't know. According to the manual the take up hub and the supply hub have different numbers. F14 and F15 respectively. To me they look identical. If anyone knows the difference please tell me. When we put a stronger spring in front of the tension felt disk the playback tension was good and the bad cassettes played but it slowed down the fast forward drastically as the higher tension became constant without being released in fast forward. So that was no good. Anyway, only a very few tapes are affected as the deck plays really well otherwise and after all it was supposed to be a "parts deck" but it turned out to be really solid and sounds good so if anyone has any ideas on this I'd highly appreciate it. Once again no tension on the left hub in playback. Thanks Peter ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scootersemail at yahoo.com Sat May 14 03:10:24 2011 From: scootersemail at yahoo.com (scott) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 18:10:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: 505 AC hum also in source button In-Reply-To: <201105131017.p4DA88oV020274@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <585681.32914.qm@web111401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> christian, I will check into that. Thanks.. I found another way to get the hum..There is a Monitor button that selects TAPE or SOURCE. When I push this button "in" to SOURCE its really noticable. If any one can think of why that would bring in the hum let me know.. thanks Hi Scott Another possibility - hope it doesn't add to the confusion - but my instinct points me to a power supply problem. Maybe the main power supply caps have almost completely gone. This could manifest for a couple of reasons. When under load the current draw will increase and the output voltage will follow the charging ripple, meaning that more is on the supply lines. Moreover, this could mean lower voltages prior to regulators which could mean they stop regulating as they fall earlier into their drop out gap. This would put ripple directly into the power lines of amplifier sections. The happy thing about this is that you can quite easily check for it. A multimeter will be perfectly adequate to let you see if the voltages sag though a scope will really tell you what's going on. And, if you plump for changing the caps, you will have done no harm (see recent posts on this subject) and maybe some good. Let's see if some of the real Nak specialists concur with this and if it gets their endorsement, you may have an easy answer. Best wishes Christian From dieseldude1 at gmail.com Sat May 14 03:10:39 2011 From: dieseldude1 at gmail.com (Samuel Crider) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 20:10:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] transistors no longer available? In-Reply-To: <0LL500ATO9YT7EA0@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> References: <201105131009.p4DA88oU020274@zxe.naks.com> <0LL500ATO9YT7EA0@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: Yes,yes & yes. Might consider picking up a parts unit. That way the needed transistors might even be in the correct hfe ranges. Which is a huge plus. Best of luck. Samuel On 5/13/11, Erich Veyhl wrote: > As a general question, are there transistors used in vintage decks > (including portables) that are no longer replaceable with an > equivalent from any source? Are some types becoming so rare that > they should be acquired and saved because they may not be available > in the foreseeable future? > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat May 14 09:42:41 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 17:42:41 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] transistors no longer available? In-Reply-To: References: <201105131009.p4DA88oU020274@zxe.naks.com> <0LL500ATO9YT7EA0@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <6AB8BD87-0C84-44D0-86EC-440BB5C73D9C@yahoo.com> Oh! Which one should we be looking at? Older Naks are still a fave among many of us and unobtanium parts would Certainly spoil our day. Bala Sent from my iPhone On May 14, 2011, at 11:10, Samuel Crider wrote: > Yes,yes & yes. Might consider picking up a parts unit. That way the > needed transistors might even be in the correct hfe ranges. Which is a > huge plus. > > Best of luck. > > Samuel > > On 5/13/11, Erich Veyhl wrote: >> As a general question, are there transistors used in vintage decks >> (including portables) that are no longer replaceable with an >> equivalent from any source? Are some types becoming so rare that >> they should be acquired and saved because they may not be available >> in the foreseeable future? >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Sat May 14 10:09:14 2011 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 01:09:14 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] transistors no longer available? In-Reply-To: References: <201105131009.p4DA88oU020274@zxe.naks.com> <0LL500ATO9YT7EA0@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: If anyone runs into transistors that are "unobtainium" (as they often say over at audiokarma.org), I am an expert on transistor substitutions. Please email me back-channel at -- classicaudiorepair at gmail.com -- and I will help you find a substitute. Most people know that substitutes should be similar in voltage, current, and power capability, but what is often overlooked is: (1) gain, (2) noise figure, and (3) bandwidth. Regards, Fred Fred Longworth MBA, CHMM Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F San Diego, CA 92116 (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 Fax: (619) 282-7872 classicaudiorepair at gmail.com stereo1 at cox.net www.repairaudio.com On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Samuel Crider wrote: > Yes,yes & yes. Might consider picking up a parts unit. That way the > needed transistors might even be in the correct hfe ranges. Which is a > huge plus. > > Best of luck. > > Samuel > > On 5/13/11, Erich Veyhl wrote: > > As a general question, are there transistors used in vintage decks > > (including portables) that are no longer replaceable with an > > equivalent from any source? 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URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Sat May 14 10:17:13 2011 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 01:17:13 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: 505 AC hum also in source button In-Reply-To: <585681.32914.qm@web111401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <201105131017.p4DA88oV020274@zxe.naks.com> <585681.32914.qm@web111401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I concur about power supply. If this were in my shop, I would put my oscilloscope on the power supply lines feeding into the preamp circuits active when SOURCE is selected. I would also use a digital multimeter (DMM) to check the voltages coming from the regulated power supply. Transistor failure in the regulated power supply is very common, but capacitor failure is by far the most common malfunction. In my repair shop, replacement of electrolytic capacitors is the most common service we provide. Electrolytics are failing in droves. The highest failure items are caps that *get hot due to being located next to power resistors and regulator transistors* and/or that handle *high currents* (which cause them to get hot inside) and/or that are *physically small in size*. Fred Fred Longworth MBA, CHMM Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F San Diego, CA 92116 (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 Fax: (619) 282-7872 classicaudiorepair at gmail.com stereo1 at cox.net www.repairaudio.com On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 6:10 PM, scott wrote: > christian, > I will check into that. Thanks.. > I found another way to get the hum..There is a Monitor button that selects > TAPE or SOURCE. When I push this button "in" to SOURCE its really noticable. > If any one can think of why that would bring in the hum let me know.. > thanks > > > Hi Scott > > Another possibility - hope it doesn't add to the confusion - but my > instinct > points me to a power supply problem. Maybe the main power supply caps have > almost completely gone. This could manifest for a couple of reasons. When > under load the current draw will increase and the output voltage will > follow > the charging ripple, meaning that more is on the supply lines. Moreover, > this could mean lower voltages prior to regulators which could mean they > stop regulating as they fall earlier into their drop out gap. This would > put ripple directly into the power lines of amplifier sections. > > The happy thing about this is that you can quite easily check for it. A > multimeter will be perfectly adequate to let you see if the voltages sag > though a scope will really tell you what's going on. And, if you plump for > changing the caps, you will have done no harm (see recent posts on this > subject) and maybe some good. > > Let's see if some of the real Nak specialists concur with this and if it > gets their endorsement, you may have an easy answer. > > Best wishes > > Christian > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pbtanner at hotmail.com Sun May 15 23:25:07 2011 From: pbtanner at hotmail.com (Peter Tanner) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 21:25:07 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 581 transport problem In-Reply-To: References: , , , , Message-ID: What little spring? The one that pushes the little felt tension pad against the hub? If that's what you mean then yes. It's engaged. From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] 581 transport problem Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 14:58:52 -1000 Is the little spring properly engaged? From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Peter Tanner Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 12:07 PM To: naktalk naktalk Subject: RE: [naktalk] 581 transport problem Thanks Cheryl, they are in position. I was wondering if this symptom, lack of tension on the supply reel, is not caused by those little rubber pads underneath. They are engaged by the control cam but I am not quite sure in what manner and what they actually do. Somewhere along the line something is supposed to brake that supply hub in playback mode so that the tape is streched before it hits the supply guide. Then that braking action is released once the deck is in fast forward mode. Cheers Peter From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] 581 transport problem Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 11:06:40 -1000 Peter, Check and make sure the supply hub/reel is assembled correctly. The top part has 3 square rectangular teeth that fit in 3 matching "detent" positions. These two main pieces NOT fit such that the teeth "engage" the slots. Aloha, Cheryl From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Peter Tanner Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 1:45 PM To: naktalk naktalk Subject: [naktalk] 581 transport problem Hi everybody, I got a 581 some time ago. Was nonfunctional and I got it for parts for my 582. A friend sold it to me and it was for almost nothing. It looked good but I had no time so for months I never touched it but a week ago I finally got around checking it out. It needed a new control motor belt and the eject mechanism had to be fixed. I did that and it works and sounds just fine. Put one of Fred Marrs capstan belt on it as well. So a parts deck turned out to be a good one. There is only one little problem though. The supply hub doesn't seem to have any tension on it in play back so some of the poorer quality tapes tend to get skewed and chewed up especially if there is an inherent problem with the cassettes themselves. The guides are adjusted properly with Willy's gauge. The 582 plays everything without a hitch with some tension in play back which releases once the fast forward button is pressed. On the 581 the little tension felt disk and spring seem to be ok. The idler tire is good too. Apparently it was changed a few years ago according to my friend. The cam adjustment for play and stop is correct. So I don't know. According to the manual the take up hub and the supply hub have different numbers. F14 and F15 respectively. To me they look identical. If anyone knows the difference please tell me. When we put a stronger spring in front of the tension felt disk the playback tension was good and the bad cassettes played but it slowed down the fast forward drastically as the higher tension became constant without being released in fast forward. So that was no good. Anyway, only a very few tapes are affected as the deck plays really well otherwise and after all it was supposed to be a "parts deck" but it turned out to be really solid and sounds good so if anyone has any ideas on this I'd highly appreciate it. Once again no tension on the left hub in playback. 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URL: From pbtanner at hotmail.com Sun May 15 23:34:56 2011 From: pbtanner at hotmail.com (Peter Tanner) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 21:34:56 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 581 transport problem In-Reply-To: References: , <98973.79122.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, , Message-ID: Bala, as far as I can see the supply side hub is ok. But I don't remember seeing any white "plastic yoke" under the brakes. Where would that be? As for the tape tension, that's exactly the problem I have. There isn't enough. I thought some kind of mechanism would do that. The left, supply side brake somehow? CC: naktalk at naks.com From: bg3009 at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] 581 transport problem Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 10:12:00 +1000 To: naktalk at naks.com Then there would be two places I would suspect your problem to be: 1. Assembly of the supply side spindles ( springs, washers, fasteners) 2. Checking of the tape tension. Also, are the reel spindle brakes being released correctly? There is a very delicate white plastic 'yoke' that flexes when releasing or applying the brakes. Check that this assembly is ok. Bala Sent from my iPhone On May 14, 2011, at 3:30, Peter Tanner wrote: Yes, I have, Bala. Both are good and clean. Checked speed too. Right on. I think there must be something else there. The left hub or supply hub should be restrained somehow in play mode so that the tape is tensioned. This tensionig is released as soon as the fast forward is engaged. At least that's what the other two decks I have do. A 582 and a 481Z in mint condition. They play everything regardless the quality of the cassette. Peter Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 21:00:26 -0700 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] 581 transport problem To: naktalk at naks.com Peter, Have you checked that the pinch rollers are in good condition and that they are engaging full stroke ? Bala From: Peter Tanner To: naktalk naktalk Sent: Fri, May 13, 2011 9:45:03 AM Subject: [naktalk] 581 transport problem Hi everybody, I got a 581 some time ago. Was nonfunctional and I got it for parts for my 582. A friend sold it to me and it was for almost nothing. It looked good but I had no time so for months I never touched it but a week ago I finally got around checking it out. It needed a new control motor belt and the eject mechanism had to be fixed. I did that and it works and sounds just fine. Put one of Fred Marrs capstan belt on it as well. So a parts deck turned out to be a good one. There is only one little problem though. The supply hub doesn't seem to have any tension on it in play back so some of the poorer quality tapes tend to get skewed and chewed up especially if there is an inherent problem with the cassettes themselves. The guides are adjusted properly with Willy's gauge. The 582 plays everything without a hitch with some tension in play back which releases once the fast forward button is pressed. On the 581 the little tension felt disk and spring seem to be ok. The idler tire is good too. Apparently it was changed a few years ago according to my friend. The cam adjustment for play and stop is correct. So I don't know. According to the manual the take up hub and the supply hub have different numbers. F14 and F15 respectively. To me they look identical. If anyone knows the difference please tell me. When we put a stronger spring in front of the tension felt disk the playback tension was good and the bad cassettes played but it slowed down the fast forward drastically as the higher tension became constant without being released in fast forward. So that was no good. Anyway, only a very few tapes are affected as the deck plays really well otherwise and after all it was supposed to be a "parts deck" but it turned out to be really solid and sounds good so if anyone has any ideas on this I'd highly appreciate it. Once again no tension on the left hub in playback. 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon May 16 05:01:21 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 20:01:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 581 transport problem In-Reply-To: References: , <98973.79122.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, , Message-ID: <759873.78482.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Peter, The standard reel brakes are a different mechanism that lift both brakes simultaneously during play, f-fwd or rewind. I would suppose that if that is faulty (broken), and the brake fails to lift, it could provide resistance on one of the reels, thus causing this problem. But since the problem is only happening on two of the three modes, this may not be the cause. It is important that the tape path is accurately adjusted to ensure that tape travel is smooth and the tape does not waver in-between the pinch rollers and capstans. One thing that's a pain is if the capstans are in parallel contact with the pinch rollers. If all else is ok, then the felt on F-15 may need to be changed. Better if you can get another F-15 to change. Regards, Bala ________________________________ From: Peter Tanner To: naktalk naktalk Sent: Mon, May 16, 2011 7:34:56 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] 581 transport problem Bala, as far as I can see the supply side hub is ok. But I don't remember seeing any white "plastic yoke" under the brakes. Where would that be? As for the tape tension, that's exactly the problem I have. There isn't enough. I thought some kind of mechanism would do that. The left, supply side brake somehow? ________________________________ CC: naktalk at naks.com From: bg3009 at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] 581 transport problem Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 10:12:00 +1000 To: naktalk at naks.com Then there would be two places I would suspect your problem to be: 1. Assembly of the supply side spindles ( springs, washers, fasteners) 2. Checking of the tape tension. Also, are the reel spindle brakes being released correctly? There is a very delicate white plastic 'yoke' that flexes when releasing or applying the brakes. Check that this assembly is ok. Bala Sent from my iPhone On May 14, 2011, at 3:30, Peter Tanner wrote: Yes, I have, Bala. Both are good and clean. Checked speed too. Right on. >I think there must be something else there. The left hub or supply hub should be >restrained somehow in play mode so that the tape is tensioned. This tensionig is >released as soon as the fast forward is engaged. At least that's what the other >two decks I have do. A 582 and a 481Z in mint condition. They play everything >regardless the quality of the cassette. > >Peter >________________________________ Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 21:00:26 -0700 >From: bg3009 at yahoo.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] 581 transport problem >To: naktalk at naks.com > > >Peter, > >Have you checked that the pinch rollers are in good condition and that they are >engaging full stroke ? > > >Bala > > > > ________________________________ From: Peter Tanner >To: naktalk naktalk >Sent: Fri, May 13, 2011 9:45:03 AM >Subject: [naktalk] 581 transport problem > > Hi everybody, > >I got a 581 some time ago. Was nonfunctional and I got it for parts for my 582. >A friend sold it to me and it was for almost nothing. It looked good but I had >no time so for months I never touched it but a week ago I finally got >around checking it out. It needed a new control motor belt and the eject >mechanism had to be fixed. I did that and it works and sounds just fine. Put one >of Fred Marrs capstan belt on it as well. So a parts deck turned out to be a >good one. There is only one little problem though. The supply hub doesn't seem >to have any tension on it in play back so some of the poorer quality tapes tend >to get skewed and chewed up especially if there is an inherent problem with the >cassettes themselves. The guides are adjusted properly with Willy's gauge. The >582 plays everything without a hitch with some tension in play back which >releases once the fast forward button is pressed. On the 581 the little tension >felt disk and spring seem to be ok. The idler tire is good too. Apparently it >was changed a few years ago according to my friend. The cam adjustment for play >and stop is correct. So I don't know. According to the manual the take up hub >and the supply hub have different numbers. F14 and F15 respectively. To me they >look identical. If anyone knows the difference please tell me. When we put a >stronger spring in front of the tension felt disk the playback tension was good >and the bad cassettes played but it slowed down the fast forward drastically as >the higher tension became constant without being released in fast forward. So >that was no good. Anyway, only a very few tapes are affected as the deck plays >really well otherwise and after all it was supposed to be a "parts deck" but it >turned out to be really solid and sounds good so if anyone has any ideas on this >I'd highly appreciate it. 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URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Tue May 17 04:27:32 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 16:27:32 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] 581 transport problem In-Reply-To: References: , , , , Message-ID: It's been a while since I took the transport apart, but as I recall the spring has a bent end and the bent end needs to fit in it's special spot. If I get a chance tomorrow I will take it apart and give you better instructions. Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Peter Tanner Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 11:25 AM To: naktalk naktalk Subject: RE: [naktalk] 581 transport problem What little spring? The one that pushes the little felt tension pad against the hub? If that's what you mean then yes. It's engaged. _____ From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] 581 transport problem Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 14:58:52 -1000 Is the little spring properly engaged? _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Peter Tanner Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 12:07 PM To: naktalk naktalk Subject: RE: [naktalk] 581 transport problem Thanks Cheryl, they are in position. I was wondering if this symptom, lack of tension on the supply reel, is not caused by those little rubber pads underneath. They are engaged by the control cam but I am not quite sure in what manner and what they actually do. Somewhere along the line something is supposed to brake that supply hub in playback mode so that the tape is streched before it hits the supply guide. Then that braking action is released once the deck is in fast forward mode. Cheers Peter _____ From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] 581 transport problem Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 11:06:40 -1000 Peter, Check and make sure the supply hub/reel is assembled correctly. The top part has 3 square rectangular teeth that fit in 3 matching "detent" positions. These two main pieces NOT fit such that the teeth "engage" the slots. Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Peter Tanner Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 1:45 PM To: naktalk naktalk Subject: [naktalk] 581 transport problem Hi everybody, I got a 581 some time ago. Was nonfunctional and I got it for parts for my 582. A friend sold it to me and it was for almost nothing. It looked good but I had no time so for months I never touched it but a week ago I finally got around checking it out. It needed a new control motor belt and the eject mechanism had to be fixed. I did that and it works and sounds just fine. Put one of Fred Marrs capstan belt on it as well. So a parts deck turned out to be a good one. There is only one little problem though. The supply hub doesn't seem to have any tension on it in play back so some of the poorer quality tapes tend to get skewed and chewed up especially if there is an inherent problem with the cassettes themselves. The guides are adjusted properly with Willy's gauge. The 582 plays everything without a hitch with some tension in play back which releases once the fast forward button is pressed. On the 581 the little tension felt disk and spring seem to be ok. The idler tire is good too. Apparently it was changed a few years ago according to my friend. The cam adjustment for play and stop is correct. So I don't know. According to the manual the take up hub and the supply hub have different numbers. F14 and F15 respectively. To me they look identical. If anyone knows the difference please tell me. When we put a stronger spring in front of the tension felt disk the playback tension was good and the bad cassettes played but it slowed down the fast forward drastically as the higher tension became constant without being released in fast forward. So that was no good. Anyway, only a very few tapes are affected as the deck plays really well otherwise and after all it was supposed to be a "parts deck" but it turned out to be really solid and sounds good so if anyone has any ideas on this I'd highly appreciate it. Once again no tension on the left hub in playback. 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URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Tue May 17 04:39:21 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 16:39:21 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] UPDATE - Nakamichi 582 bulbs In-Reply-To: References: <924013.77154.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com><48084.47203.qm@web112715.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><256522.46739.qm@web113206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><9A498AFC-0169-4D68-8679-D60CE65DCB4F@yahoo.com><378799.53005.qm@web113212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Okay, it looks like these bulbs are going to work nicely. I have one of the green ones poked into the solder holes of the PAUSE light and it seems to work just fine. They fit nicely in the rubber bulb housing on the 581/582. They have to be inserted with the longer leg in the upper hole. Unfortunately, they do not come in a clear or white which is why I got red and green. Digi-Key p/n 67-1061-ND -- green Manufacturer p/n SSL-LX3044GD-12V 67-1067-ND -- red SSL-LX3044ID-12V After soldering into position I'll leave one on for an extended period and report back if there are any overheating issues. Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 8:37 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 582 bulbs I found some tiny red and green 12V lamps at either DigiKey or Mouser (can't remember which right now). After I get a chance to see if they will work in my 581 and 582 (which each have one or two burned out bulbs), I will let everyone know if they worked and what the part numbers are and who the source is. Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred Longworth Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 7:45 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 582 bulbs LED's vary in their operating voltage. For example, common red and green LED's require approximately 2 volts. The less-common white and blue LED's take about 4-5 volts. Current is typically 10mA. An LED will replace a point-source incandescent indicator lamp with no trouble. The only problem is finding where to mount the outboard series dropping resistor, since the original lamp generally uses 4-10 more volts than the LED requires. I have seen literally hundreds of instances where this resistor has been installed in a manner that looks tacky, and presents some hazard to surrounding circuitry -- or where the value of resistor chosen is technically incorrect, resulting in damage to the LED. LED's are a poor choice for the ubiquitous "fuse type" lamps used in the radio dials of vintage stereo and quad receivers. Since they are point sources, and fuse-type lamps generate an emission >.5" long, many "upgrades" from fuse-lamps to LED's result in an unpleasant fence-post effect, in which the light and dark spots alternate across the dial. At my shop, I've had to "undo" a few "upgrades" because the LED's were so ugly. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 7:00 AM, Vyju wrote: Hi, I picked up a Nakamichi 582 deck recently.I have serviced the deck and replaced all the belts with replacements from Marrs Communications . The deck works fine but all the small bulbs on the control buttons(play,FF,Rew etc ) have failed.Only the green light on the stop button works. I would like to replace the bulbs,can someone tell me a source for these bulbs? Regards Rajiv ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net Tue May 17 08:41:00 2011 From: N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net (N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 08:41:00 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] 581 transport problem In-Reply-To: References: , , , , Message-ID: <1766.145.44.29.96.1305614460.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> Hi Cheryl, I have the same question about that little felt tension pad. There is indeed a special spot where the bent seems to fit. But doing so the tension pad doesn't touch the supply reel in the right way (as far as i can see). I wonder if the tension pad must fit into that hole. Otherwise', if this is not the case, then that hole would be useless. I am confused. Regards Norman Op Di, 17 mei, 2011 4:27 am schreef Cheryl Kaupp: > It's been a while since I took the transport apart, but as I recall the > spring has a bent end and the bent end needs to fit in it's special spot. > If > I get a chance tomorrow I will take it apart and give you better > instructions. Cheryl > > > _____ > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf > Of Peter Tanner > Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 11:25 AM > To: naktalk naktalk > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 581 transport problem > > > > What little spring? The one that pushes the little felt tension pad > against the hub? If that's what you mean then yes. It's engaged. > > > _____ > > > From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 581 transport problem > Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 14:58:52 -1000 > > > > Is the little spring properly engaged? > > > _____ > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf > Of Peter Tanner > Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 12:07 PM > To: naktalk naktalk > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 581 transport problem > > > > Thanks Cheryl, they are in position. I was wondering if this symptom, > lack of tension on the supply reel, is not caused by those little rubber > pads underneath. They are engaged by the control cam but I am not quite > sure in what manner and what they actually do. Somewhere along the line > something is supposed to brake that supply hub in playback mode so that > the tape is streched before it hits the supply guide. Then that braking > action is released once the deck is in fast forward mode. Cheers > > > Peter > > > > _____ > > > From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 581 transport problem > Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 11:06:40 -1000 > > > > Peter, > > > Check and make sure the supply hub/reel is assembled correctly. The top > part has 3 square rectangular teeth that fit in 3 matching "detent" > positions. These two main pieces NOT fit such that the teeth "engage" the > slots. > > Aloha, > Cheryl > > > _____ > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf > Of Peter Tanner > Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 1:45 PM > To: naktalk naktalk > Subject: [naktalk] 581 transport problem > > > > Hi everybody, > > > I got a 581 some time ago. Was nonfunctional and I got it for parts for > my 582. A friend sold it to me and it was for almost nothing. It looked > good but I had no time so for months I never touched it but a week ago I > finally got around checking it out. It needed a new control motor belt and > the eject mechanism had to be fixed. I did that and it works and sounds > just fine. Put one of Fred Marrs capstan belt on it as well. So a parts > deck turned out to be a good one. There is only one little problem though. > The supply hub > doesn't seem to have any tension on it in play back so some of the poorer > quality tapes tend to get skewed and chewed up especially if there is an > inherent problem with the cassettes themselves. The guides are adjusted > properly with Willy's gauge. The 582 plays everything without a hitch > with some tension in play back which releases once the fast forward button > is pressed. On the 581 the little tension felt disk and spring seem to be > ok. The idler tire is good too. Apparently it was changed a few years ago > according to my friend. The cam adjustment for play and stop is correct. > So > I don't know. According to the manual the take up hub and the supply hub > have different numbers. F14 and F15 respectively. To me they look > identical. If anyone knows the difference please tell me. When we put a > stronger spring in front of the tension felt disk the playback tension was > good and the bad cassettes played but it slowed down the fast forward > drastically as the higher tension became constant without being released > in fast forward. So that was no good. Anyway, only a very few tapes are > affected as the deck plays really well otherwise and after all it was > supposed to be a "parts deck" but it turned out to be really solid and > sounds good so if anyone has any ideas on this I'd highly appreciate it. > Once again no tension on the > left hub in playback. Thanks > > Peter > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------======== > = > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------======== > = > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------======== > = > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ronami at yahoo.com Tue May 17 17:01:44 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 08:01:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] UPDATE - Nakamichi 582 bulbs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <83378.64085.qm@web130120.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Cheryl, a better way to prevent overheating is to use lamps rated for the correct voltage and current. If memory serves (it's been a while, better check the schematic or P/L), these should be 12V/25mA bulbs. Using higher current bulbs  is not advisable  :-). -- Ron --- On Mon, 5/16/11, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: From: Cheryl Kaupp Subject: RE: [naktalk] UPDATE - Nakamichi 582 bulbs To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Monday, May 16, 2011, 10:39 PM   Okay, it looks like these bulbs are going to work nicely. I have one of the green ones poked into the solder holes of the PAUSE light and it seems to work just fine.   They fit nicely in the rubber bulb housing on the 581/582. They have to be inserted with the longer leg in the upper hole.   Unfortunately, they do not come in a clear or white which is why I got red and green.   Digi-Key p/n 67-1061-ND   -- green  Manufacturer p/n SSL-LX3044GD-12V                    67-1067-ND   -- red                               SSL-LX3044ID-12V   After soldering into position I'll leave one on for an extended period and report back if there are any overheating issues.   Aloha, Cheryl From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 8:37 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 582 bulbs I found some tiny red and green 12V lamps at either DigiKey or Mouser (can't remember which right now). After I get a chance to see if they will work in my 581 and 582 (which each have one or two burned out bulbs), I will let everyone know if they worked and what the part numbers are and who the source is.   Cheryl   From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred Longworth Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 7:45 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 582 bulbs LED's vary in their operating voltage. For example, common red and green LED's require approximately 2 volts. The less-common white and blue LED's take about 4-5 volts. Current is typically 10mA. An LED will replace a point-source incandescent indicator lamp with no trouble. The only problem is finding where to mount the outboard series dropping resistor, since the original lamp generally uses 4-10 more volts than the LED requires. I have seen literally hundreds of instances where this resistor has been installed in a manner that looks tacky, and presents some hazard to surrounding circuitry -- or where the value of resistor chosen is technically incorrect, resulting in damage to the LED. LED's are a poor choice for the ubiquitous "fuse type" lamps used in the radio dials of vintage stereo and quad receivers. Since they are point sources, and fuse-type lamps generate an emission >.5" long, many "upgrades" from fuse-lamps to LED's result in an unpleasant fence-post effect, in which the light and dark spots alternate across the dial. At my shop, I've had to "undo" a few "upgrades" because the LED's were so ugly. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 7:00 AM, Vyju wrote: Hi,   I picked up a Nakamichi 582 deck recently.I have serviced the deck and replaced all the belts with replacements from Marrs Communications .   The deck works fine but all the small bulbs on the control buttons(play,FF,Rew etc ) have failed.Only the green light on the stop button works.   I would like to replace the bulbs,can someone tell me a source for these bulbs?   Regards Rajiv    ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Tue May 17 17:48:49 2011 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 07:48:49 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] 581 transport problem In-Reply-To: <1766.145.44.29.96.1305614460.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> References: <1766.145.44.29.96.1305614460.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> Message-ID: Have you noticed that it's very difficult to align the metal pad backing plate with the white plastic base for the reel hub shaft? The reason for that notch is so that, in assembly, you can clip the baking plate in the down position, then mount the lower and upper hub pieces and holding cap. Once done you slide the pad backing plate to the side and it springs up to meet the lower hub. Nak thought of everything. Have you discovered the same type holder for the brakes which allows you to remount the two transport plinths? Willy On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 10:41 PM, wrote: > Hi Cheryl, > > I have the same question about that little felt tension pad. > There is indeed a special spot where the bent seems to fit. > But doing so the tension pad doesn't touch the supply reel in the right way > (as far as i can see). I wonder if the tension pad must fit into that hole. > Otherwise', if this is not the case, then that hole would be useless. > I am confused. > > Regards Norman > > Op Di, 17 mei, 2011 4:27 am schreef Cheryl Kaupp: > > It's been a while since I took the transport apart, but as I recall the > > spring has a bent end and the bent end needs to fit in it's special spot. > > If > > I get a chance tomorrow I will take it apart and give you better > > instructions. Cheryl > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > > Behalf > > Of Peter Tanner > > Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 11:25 AM > > To: naktalk naktalk > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 581 transport problem > > > > > > > > What little spring? The one that pushes the little felt tension pad > > against the hub? If that's what you mean then yes. It's engaged. > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 581 transport problem > > Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 14:58:52 -1000 > > > > > > > > Is the little spring properly engaged? > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > > Behalf > > Of Peter Tanner > > Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 12:07 PM > > To: naktalk naktalk > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 581 transport problem > > > > > > > > Thanks Cheryl, they are in position. I was wondering if this symptom, > > lack of tension on the supply reel, is not caused by those little rubber > > pads underneath. They are engaged by the control cam but I am not quite > > sure in what manner and what they actually do. Somewhere along the line > > something is supposed to brake that supply hub in playback mode so that > > the tape is streched before it hits the supply guide. Then that braking > > action is released once the deck is in fast forward mode. Cheers > > > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 581 transport problem > > Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 11:06:40 -1000 > > > > > > > > Peter, > > > > > > Check and make sure the supply hub/reel is assembled correctly. The top > > part has 3 square rectangular teeth that fit in 3 matching "detent" > > positions. These two main pieces NOT fit such that the teeth "engage" the > > slots. > > > > Aloha, > > Cheryl > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > > Behalf > > Of Peter Tanner > > Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 1:45 PM > > To: naktalk naktalk > > Subject: [naktalk] 581 transport problem > > > > > > > > Hi everybody, > > > > > > I got a 581 some time ago. Was nonfunctional and I got it for parts for > > my 582. A friend sold it to me and it was for almost nothing. It looked > > good but I had no time so for months I never touched it but a week ago I > > finally got around checking it out. It needed a new control motor belt > and > > the eject mechanism had to be fixed. I did that and it works and sounds > > just fine. Put one of Fred Marrs capstan belt on it as well. So a parts > > deck turned out to be a good one. There is only one little problem > though. > > The supply hub > > doesn't seem to have any tension on it in play back so some of the poorer > > quality tapes tend to get skewed and chewed up especially if there is an > > inherent problem with the cassettes themselves. The guides are adjusted > > properly with Willy's gauge. The 582 plays everything without a hitch > > with some tension in play back which releases once the fast forward > button > > is pressed. On the 581 the little tension felt disk and spring seem to be > > ok. The idler tire is good too. Apparently it was changed a few years ago > > according to my friend. The cam adjustment for play and stop is correct. > > So > > I don't know. According to the manual the take up hub and the supply hub > > have different numbers. F14 and F15 respectively. To me they look > > identical. If anyone knows the difference please tell me. When we put a > > stronger spring in front of the tension felt disk the playback tension > was > > good and the bad cassettes played but it slowed down the fast forward > > drastically as the higher tension became constant without being released > > in fast forward. So that was no good. Anyway, only a very few tapes are > > affected as the deck plays really well otherwise and after all it was > > supposed to be a "parts deck" but it turned out to be really solid and > > sounds good so if anyone has any ideas on this I'd highly appreciate it. > > Once again no tension on the > > left hub in playback. 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URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Tue May 17 18:56:34 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 06:56:34 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] UPDATE - Nakamichi 582 bulbs In-Reply-To: <83378.64085.qm@web130120.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <83378.64085.qm@web130120.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: These are 20mA bulbs so they should be okay. Since they aren't the OEM version, I'm probably being extra cautious. The hardest part is that the OEM bulbs have legs that are very fine wire and easy to bend/form. The legs are these are much thicker. I plan to push them into the socket as far as possible to give a little bit of working room and then use some very small jeweler's pliers to bend then into position. We'll see how many of them that I break... Fortunately, they are inexpensive so if I break a few it doesn't really matter (53 cents each in singles, 41 cents each in quanitites of 10). Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 5:02 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] UPDATE - Nakamichi 582 bulbs Cheryl, a better way to prevent overheating is to use lamps rated for the correct voltage and current. If memory serves (it's been a while, better check the schematic or P/L), these should be 12V/25mA bulbs. Using higher current bulbs is not advisable :-). -- Ron --- On Mon, 5/16/11, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: From: Cheryl Kaupp Subject: RE: [naktalk] UPDATE - Nakamichi 582 bulbs To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Monday, May 16, 2011, 10:39 PM Okay, it looks like these bulbs are going to work nicely. I have one of the green ones poked into the solder holes of the PAUSE light and it seems to work just fine. They fit nicely in the rubber bulb housing on the 581/582. They have to be inserted with the longer leg in the upper hole. Unfortunately, they do not come in a clear or white which is why I got red and green. Digi-Key p/n 67-1061-ND -- green Manufacturer p/n SSL-LX3044GD-12V 67-1067-ND -- red SSL-LX3044ID-12V After soldering into position I'll leave one on for an extended period and report back if there are any overheating issues. Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 8:37 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 582 bulbs I found some tiny red and green 12V lamps at either DigiKey or Mouser (can't remember which right now). After I get a chance to see if they will work in my 581 and 582 (which each have one or two burned out bulbs), I will let everyone know if they worked and what the part numbers are and who the source is. Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred Longworth Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 7:45 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 582 bulbs LED's vary in their operating voltage. For example, common red and green LED's require approximately 2 volts. The less-common white and blue LED's take about 4-5 volts. Current is typically 10mA. An LED will replace a point-source incandescent indicator lamp with no trouble. The only problem is finding where to mount the outboard series dropping resistor, since the original lamp generally uses 4-10 more volts than the LED requires. I have seen literally hundreds of instances where this resistor has been installed in a manner that looks tacky, and presents some hazard to surrounding circuitry -- or where the value of resistor chosen is technically incorrect, resulting in damage to the LED. LED's are a poor choice for the ubiquitous "fuse type" lamps used in the radio dials of vintage stereo and quad receivers. Since they are point sources, and fuse-type lamps generate an emission >.5" long, many "upgrades" from fuse-lamps to LED's result in an unpleasant fence-post effect, in which the light and dark spots alternate across the dial. At my shop, I've had to "undo" a few "upgrades" because the LED's were so ugly. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 7:00 AM, Vyju wrote: Hi, I picked up a Nakamichi 582 deck recently.I have serviced the deck and replaced all the belts with replacements from Marrs Communications . The deck works fine but all the small bulbs on the control buttons(play,FF,Rew etc ) have failed.Only the green light on the stop button works. I would like to replace the bulbs,can someone tell me a source for these bulbs? 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URL: From pbtanner at hotmail.com Mon May 16 18:02:04 2011 From: pbtanner at hotmail.com (Peter Tanner) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 16:02:04 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 581 transport problem In-Reply-To: <759873.78482.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: , , <98973.79122.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, , , , , , <759873.78482.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Bala, I'll change that felt. Regards, Peter Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 20:01:21 -0700 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] 581 transport problem To: naktalk at naks.com Hi Peter, The standard reel brakes are a different mechanism that lift both brakes simultaneously during play, f-fwd or rewind. I would suppose that if that is faulty (broken), and the brake fails to lift, it could provide resistance on one of the reels, thus causing this problem. But since the problem is only happening on two of the three modes, this may not be the cause. It is important that the tape path is accurately adjusted to ensure that tape travel is smooth and the tape does not waver in-between the pinch rollers and capstans. One thing that's a pain is if the capstans are in parallel contact with the pinch rollers. If all else is ok, then the felt on F-15 may need to be changed. Better if you can get another F-15 to change. Regards, Bala From: Peter Tanner To: naktalk naktalk Sent: Mon, May 16, 2011 7:34:56 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] 581 transport problem Bala, as far as I can see the supply side hub is ok. But I don't remember seeing any white "plastic yoke" under the brakes. Where would that be? As for the tape tension, that's exactly the problem I have. There isn't enough. I thought some kind of mechanism would do that. The left, supply side brake somehow? CC: naktalk at naks.com From: bg3009 at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] 581 transport problem Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 10:12:00 +1000 To: naktalk at naks.com Then there would be two places I would suspect your problem to be: 1. Assembly of the supply side spindles ( springs, washers, fasteners) 2. Checking of the tape tension. Also, are the reel spindle brakes being released correctly? There is a very delicate white plastic 'yoke' that flexes when releasing or applying the brakes. Check that this assembly is ok. Bala Sent from my iPhone On May 14, 2011, at 3:30, Peter Tanner wrote: Yes, I have, Bala. Both are good and clean. Checked speed too. Right on. I think there must be something else there. The left hub or supply hub should be restrained somehow in play mode so that the tape is tensioned. This tensionig is released as soon as the fast forward is engaged. At least that's what the other two decks I have do. A 582 and a 481Z in mint condition. They play everything regardless the quality of the cassette. Peter Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 21:00:26 -0700 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] 581 transport problem To: naktalk at naks.com Peter, Have you checked that the pinch rollers are in good condition and that they are engaging full stroke ? Bala From: Peter Tanner To: naktalk naktalk Sent: Fri, May 13, 2011 9:45:03 AM Subject: [naktalk] 581 transport problem Hi everybody, I got a 581 some time ago. Was nonfunctional and I got it for parts for my 582. A friend sold it to me and it was for almost nothing. It looked good but I had no time so for months I never touched it but a week ago I finally got around checking it out. It needed a new control motor belt and the eject mechanism had to be fixed. I did that and it works and sounds just fine. Put one of Fred Marrs capstan belt on it as well. So a parts deck turned out to be a good one. There is only one little problem though. The supply hub doesn't seem to have any tension on it in play back so some of the poorer quality tapes tend to get skewed and chewed up especially if there is an inherent problem with the cassettes themselves. The guides are adjusted properly with Willy's gauge. The 582 plays everything without a hitch with some tension in play back which releases once the fast forward button is pressed. On the 581 the little tension felt disk and spring seem to be ok. The idler tire is good too. Apparently it was changed a few years ago according to my friend. The cam adjustment for play and stop is correct. So I don't know. According to the manual the take up hub and the supply hub have different numbers. F14 and F15 respectively. To me they look identical. If anyone knows the difference please tell me. When we put a stronger spring in front of the tension felt disk the playback tension was good and the bad cassettes played but it slowed down the fast forward drastically as the higher tension became constant without being released in fast forward. So that was no good. Anyway, only a very few tapes are affected as the deck plays really well otherwise and after all it was supposed to be a "parts deck" but it turned out to be really solid and sounds good so if anyone has any ideas on this I'd highly appreciate it. Once again no tension on the left hub in playback. 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URL: From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com Tue May 17 17:26:14 2011 From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 17:26:14 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 581 transport problem In-Reply-To: References: , , , , Message-ID: My be that bicture can help you! If not make a photo from the part of the transport. I can send you a photo from the same part in the transport model. regards Am 17.05.2011 um 04:27 schrieb Cheryl Kaupp: > It's been a while since I took the transport apart, but as I recall > the spring has a bent end and the bent end needs to fit in it's > special spot. If I get a chance tomorrow I will take it apart and > give you better instructions. > Cheryl > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf Of Peter Tanner > Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 11:25 AM > To: naktalk naktalk > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 581 transport problem > > What little spring? The one that pushes the little felt tension pad > against the hub? If that's what you mean then yes. It's engaged. > > From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 581 transport problem > Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 14:58:52 -1000 > > Is the little spring properly engaged? > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf Of Peter Tanner > Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 12:07 PM > To: naktalk naktalk > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 581 transport problem > > Thanks Cheryl, they are in position. I was wondering if this > symptom, lack of tension on the supply reel, is not caused by those > little rubber pads underneath. They are engaged by the control cam > but I am not quite sure in what manner and what they actually do. > Somewhere along the line something is supposed to brake that supply > hub in playback mode so that the tape is streched before it hits > the supply guide. Then that braking action is released once the > deck is in fast forward mode. > Cheers > > Peter > > From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 581 transport problem > Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 11:06:40 -1000 > > Peter, > > Check and make sure the supply hub/reel is assembled correctly. The > top part has 3 square rectangular teeth that fit in 3 matching > "detent" positions. These two main pieces NOT fit such that the > teeth "engage" the slots. > > Aloha, > Cheryl > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf Of Peter Tanner > Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 1:45 PM > To: naktalk naktalk > Subject: [naktalk] 581 transport problem > > Hi everybody, > > I got a 581 some time ago. Was nonfunctional and I got it for parts > for my 582. A friend sold it to me and it was for almost nothing. > It looked good but I had no time so for months I never touched it > but a week ago I finally got around checking it out. It needed a > new control motor belt and the eject mechanism had to be fixed. I > did that and it works and sounds just fine. Put one of Fred Marrs > capstan belt on it as well. So a parts deck turned out to be a good > one. There is only one little problem though. The supply hub > doesn't seem to have any tension on it in play back so some of the > poorer quality tapes tend to get skewed and chewed up especially if > there is an inherent problem with the cassettes themselves. The > guides are adjusted properly with Willy's gauge. The 582 plays > everything without a hitch with some tension in play back which > releases once the fast forward button is pressed. On the 581 the > little tension felt disk and spring seem to be ok. The idler tire > is good too. Apparently it was changed a few years ago according to > my friend. The cam adjustment for play and stop is correct. So I > don't know. According to the manual the take up hub and the supply > hub have different numbers. F14 and F15 respectively. To me they > look identical. If anyone knows the difference please tell me. When > we put a stronger spring in front of the tension felt disk the > playback tension was good and the bad cassettes played but it > slowed down the fast forward drastically as the higher tension > became constant without being released in fast forward. So that was > no good. Anyway, only a very few tapes are affected as the deck > plays really well otherwise and after all it was supposed to be a > "parts deck" but it turned out to be really solid and sounds good > so if anyone has any ideas on this I'd highly appreciate it. Once > again no tension on the left hub in playback. 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Bob N --- On Sat, 5/14/11, Fred Longworth wrote: From: Fred Longworth Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: 505 AC hum also in source button To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Saturday, May 14, 2011, 1:17 AM I concur about power supply. If this were in my shop, I would put my oscilloscope on the power supply lines feeding into the preamp circuits active when SOURCE is selected. I would also use a digital multimeter (DMM) to check the voltages coming from the regulated power supply. Transistor failure in the regulated power supply is very common, but capacitor failure is by far the most common malfunction. In my repair shop, replacement of electrolytic capacitors is the most common service we provide. Electrolytics are failing in droves. The highest failure items are caps that get hot due to being located next to power resistors and regulator transistors and/or that handle high currents (which cause them to get hot inside) and/or that are physically small in size. Fred Fred Longworth  MBA, CHMM Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F San Diego, CA 92116 (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 Fax: (619) 282-7872 classicaudiorepair at gmail.com stereo1 at cox.net www.repairaudio.com On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 6:10 PM, scott wrote: christian,  I will check into that. Thanks.. I found another way to get the hum..There is a Monitor button that selects TAPE or SOURCE. When I push this button "in" to SOURCE its really noticable. If any one can think of why that would bring in the hum let me know.. thanks Hi Scott Another possibility - hope it doesn't add to the confusion - but my instinct points me to a power supply problem.  Maybe the main power supply caps have almost completely gone.  This could manifest for a couple of reasons.  When under load the current draw will increase and the output voltage will follow the charging ripple, meaning that more is on the supply lines.  Moreover, this could mean lower voltages prior to regulators which could mean they stop regulating as they fall earlier into their drop out gap.  This would put ripple directly into the power lines of amplifier sections. The happy thing about this is that you can quite easily check for it.  A multimeter will be perfectly adequate to let you see if the voltages sag though a scope will really tell you what's going on.  And, if you plump for changing the caps, you will have done no harm (see recent posts on this subject) and maybe some good. Let's see if some of the real Nak specialists concur with this and if it gets their endorsement, you may have an easy answer. 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URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Tue May 17 22:03:25 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 10:03:25 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] UPDATE - Nakamichi 582 bulbs In-Reply-To: References: <83378.64085.qm@web130120.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Okay, the 582 has new STOP and PAUSE LEDs and they are running very cool -- don't even feel warm to the touch. With the faceplate back on the new LEDs are a tiny bit less bright than the originals because of their green lens -- but they seem to be working great. The red LED appers brighter than the green and will probably look more like the OEM bulb. Caution is required when removing the old bulbs because the rubber (?) socket is old and very brittle. If you can push the old bulb out from the leg side it will do less damage to the socket. If the legs break off the old bulb then a sewing needle works. Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 6:57 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] UPDATE - Nakamichi 582 bulbs These are 20mA bulbs so they should be okay. Since they aren't the OEM version, I'm probably being extra cautious. The hardest part is that the OEM bulbs have legs that are very fine wire and easy to bend/form. The legs are these are much thicker. I plan to push them into the socket as far as possible to give a little bit of working room and then use some very small jeweler's pliers to bend then into position. We'll see how many of them that I break... Fortunately, they are inexpensive so if I break a few it doesn't really matter (53 cents each in singles, 41 cents each in quanitites of 10). Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 5:02 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] UPDATE - Nakamichi 582 bulbs Cheryl, a better way to prevent overheating is to use lamps rated for the correct voltage and current. If memory serves (it's been a while, better check the schematic or P/L), these should be 12V/25mA bulbs. Using higher current bulbs is not advisable :-). -- Ron --- On Mon, 5/16/11, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: From: Cheryl Kaupp Subject: RE: [naktalk] UPDATE - Nakamichi 582 bulbs To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Monday, May 16, 2011, 10:39 PM Okay, it looks like these bulbs are going to work nicely. I have one of the green ones poked into the solder holes of the PAUSE light and it seems to work just fine. They fit nicely in the rubber bulb housing on the 581/582. They have to be inserted with the longer leg in the upper hole. Unfortunately, they do not come in a clear or white which is why I got red and green. Digi-Key p/n 67-1061-ND -- green Manufacturer p/n SSL-LX3044GD-12V 67-1067-ND -- red SSL-LX3044ID-12V After soldering into position I'll leave one on for an extended period and report back if there are any overheating issues. Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 8:37 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 582 bulbs I found some tiny red and green 12V lamps at either DigiKey or Mouser (can't remember which right now). After I get a chance to see if they will work in my 581 and 582 (which each have one or two burned out bulbs), I will let everyone know if they worked and what the part numbers are and who the source is. Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred Longworth Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 7:45 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 582 bulbs LED's vary in their operating voltage. For example, common red and green LED's require approximately 2 volts. The less-common white and blue LED's take about 4-5 volts. Current is typically 10mA. An LED will replace a point-source incandescent indicator lamp with no trouble. The only problem is finding where to mount the outboard series dropping resistor, since the original lamp generally uses 4-10 more volts than the LED requires. I have seen literally hundreds of instances where this resistor has been installed in a manner that looks tacky, and presents some hazard to surrounding circuitry -- or where the value of resistor chosen is technically incorrect, resulting in damage to the LED. LED's are a poor choice for the ubiquitous "fuse type" lamps used in the radio dials of vintage stereo and quad receivers. Since they are point sources, and fuse-type lamps generate an emission >.5" long, many "upgrades" from fuse-lamps to LED's result in an unpleasant fence-post effect, in which the light and dark spots alternate across the dial. At my shop, I've had to "undo" a few "upgrades" because the LED's were so ugly. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 7:00 AM, Vyju wrote: Hi, I picked up a Nakamichi 582 deck recently.I have serviced the deck and replaced all the belts with replacements from Marrs Communications . The deck works fine but all the small bulbs on the control buttons(play,FF,Rew etc ) have failed.Only the green light on the stop button works. I would like to replace the bulbs,can someone tell me a source for these bulbs? 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URL: From pbtanner at hotmail.com Tue May 17 19:34:07 2011 From: pbtanner at hotmail.com (Peter Tanner) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 17:34:07 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 581 transport problem In-Reply-To: References: , , , , , , <1766.145.44.29.96.1305614460.squirrel@webmail.internl.net>, Message-ID: Hi Willy, I've figured that part out somehow. The problem I have is that even with the spring pushing the metal backing of the felt correctly against the lower hub I still don't have enough tension on the supply hub in play. This lack of tension can produce skewing problems with commercially produced prerecorded cassettes that are mechanically not as good as a blank TDK SAX or Maxell. If I put a somewhat stronger spring in the tension gets better but the fast forward slows down especially with C 100 tapes. Pinch rollers are good and guides are adjusted correctly. On my 582 and 481Z in play mode when I put my finger on the supply hub there is a noticeable drag. It immediately disappears when the fast forward button is pressed and they play everything without a hitch. On the 581 the drag is exactly the same in fast forward as in play. Also the manual gives two different nos for the supply hub and the take up hub. F15 and F14 respectively. They look identical to me. What's the difference? Thanks Peter Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 07:48:49 -0800 Subject: Re: [naktalk] 581 transport problem From: willy at willyhermannservices.com To: naktalk at naks.com Have you noticed that it's very difficult to align the metal pad backing plate with the white plastic base for the reel hub shaft? The reason for that notch is so that, in assembly, you can clip the baking plate in the down position, then mount the lower and upper hub pieces and holding cap. Once done you slide the pad backing plate to the side and it springs up to meet the lower hub. Nak thought of everything. Have you discovered the same type holder for the brakes which allows you to remount the two transport plinths? Willy On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 10:41 PM, wrote: Hi Cheryl, I have the same question about that little felt tension pad. There is indeed a special spot where the bent seems to fit. But doing so the tension pad doesn't touch the supply reel in the right way (as far as i can see). I wonder if the tension pad must fit into that hole. Otherwise', if this is not the case, then that hole would be useless. I am confused. Regards Norman Op Di, 17 mei, 2011 4:27 am schreef Cheryl Kaupp: > It's been a while since I took the transport apart, but as I recall the > spring has a bent end and the bent end needs to fit in it's special spot. > If > I get a chance tomorrow I will take it apart and give you better > instructions. Cheryl > > > _____ > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf > Of Peter Tanner > Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 11:25 AM > To: naktalk naktalk > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 581 transport problem > > > > What little spring? The one that pushes the little felt tension pad > against the hub? If that's what you mean then yes. It's engaged. > > > _____ > > > From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 581 transport problem > Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 14:58:52 -1000 > > > > Is the little spring properly engaged? > > > _____ > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf > Of Peter Tanner > Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 12:07 PM > To: naktalk naktalk > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 581 transport problem > > > > Thanks Cheryl, they are in position. I was wondering if this symptom, > lack of tension on the supply reel, is not caused by those little rubber > pads underneath. They are engaged by the control cam but I am not quite > sure in what manner and what they actually do. Somewhere along the line > something is supposed to brake that supply hub in playback mode so that > the tape is streched before it hits the supply guide. Then that braking > action is released once the deck is in fast forward mode. Cheers > > > Peter > > > > _____ > > > From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 581 transport problem > Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 11:06:40 -1000 > > > > Peter, > > > Check and make sure the supply hub/reel is assembled correctly. The top > part has 3 square rectangular teeth that fit in 3 matching "detent" > positions. These two main pieces NOT fit such that the teeth "engage" the > slots. > > Aloha, > Cheryl > > > _____ > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf > Of Peter Tanner > Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 1:45 PM > To: naktalk naktalk > Subject: [naktalk] 581 transport problem > > > > Hi everybody, > > > I got a 581 some time ago. Was nonfunctional and I got it for parts for > my 582. A friend sold it to me and it was for almost nothing. It looked > good but I had no time so for months I never touched it but a week ago I > finally got around checking it out. It needed a new control motor belt and > the eject mechanism had to be fixed. I did that and it works and sounds > just fine. Put one of Fred Marrs capstan belt on it as well. So a parts > deck turned out to be a good one. There is only one little problem though. > The supply hub > doesn't seem to have any tension on it in play back so some of the poorer > quality tapes tend to get skewed and chewed up especially if there is an > inherent problem with the cassettes themselves. The guides are adjusted > properly with Willy's gauge. The 582 plays everything without a hitch > with some tension in play back which releases once the fast forward button > is pressed. On the 581 the little tension felt disk and spring seem to be > ok. The idler tire is good too. Apparently it was changed a few years ago > according to my friend. The cam adjustment for play and stop is correct. > So > I don't know. According to the manual the take up hub and the supply hub > have different numbers. F14 and F15 respectively. To me they look > identical. If anyone knows the difference please tell me. When we put a > stronger spring in front of the tension felt disk the playback tension was > good and the bad cassettes played but it slowed down the fast forward > drastically as the higher tension became constant without being released > in fast forward. So that was no good. Anyway, only a very few tapes are > affected as the deck plays really well otherwise and after all it was > supposed to be a "parts deck" but it turned out to be really solid and > sounds good so if anyone has any ideas on this I'd highly appreciate it. > Once again no tension on the > left hub in playback. 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URL: From sadler at hawaii.edu Wed May 18 01:30:13 2011 From: sadler at hawaii.edu (Dan Sadler) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 13:30:13 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 Rescued Needs Belt Message-ID: <06923178-01BD-4789-8ACA-A6F617FBFA98@hawaii.edu> I recently rescued an LX-3 that was headed to the dump and brought it home. It had most likely been stored in AC it's entire life and seemed in good condition. I had to poke and prod a little under the hood before the mechanism would lift up to engage the tape, but all the functions seemed to work. Not having an amplifier, I had to find an adapter to get my 1/8 headphones connected but am now listening to all my tapes from the 80's. Of course it is a little bigger than my ipod but much more satisfying to push those big buttons and watch the tape spin. My five year old son is the biggest fan and is having a blast listening to the classics. All was well until he reported that a tape was stuck and the deck was making a funny sound. It was a "books on tape" from the public library that was due the next day and sure enough it wouldn't eject, though some motor seemed to run continuously. I took the cover off and found that the square profile belt that engages the lifting mechanism was broken. I manually turned one of the wheels and was able to remove the tape. At that point I found this group through google and have been combing the archives for repair tips. It seems there has been a lot of history in finding acceptable replacement belts. My question is whether I should go with the Kit from Marrs or if I could get back up and running with one of the other online vendors? Should I only replace the broken belt or also swap out the others (I think they are originals) while the top is off. I'm not sure I will be able to discern differences in W&F through my headphones but mainly want to get back to listening to my tapes and also show my son how things can be fixed. I also see a lot of threads about replacing the idler tire, sounds tricky but I'll attempt it if I need to. What is the proper way to determine when to replace the idler? What symptoms are exhibited? Thanks in advance for the advice. One day I hope to get a turntable and introduce my son to my old vinyl and the other joys of analogue. Dan From jontebus at comhem.se Wed May 18 12:50:03 2011 From: jontebus at comhem.se (Jonas Karlsson) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 12:50:03 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] ISO: Serviced Nakamichi Dragon Message-ID: <288AE171-90B9-45FC-A2B9-D6F05CE9116A@comhem.se> Hi there! Looking for a serviced (or well maintained) Nakamichi Dragon deck! Preferably late s/n, but as long as it's serviced properly I guess the year of produce is not important. Don't hesitate to contact me. I live in Sweden, so any EU-country is prefered as no importtax will be added to a shipment. All the best /Jonas Karlsson, Gothenburg, Sweden From tbnast at isomedia.com Wed May 18 17:55:07 2011 From: tbnast at isomedia.com (Thomas B. Nast) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 08:55:07 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Takeup problem on MR-1 Message-ID: <4DD3EBDB.9040808@isomedia.com> I just discovered this wonderful list! The ReVox community needs an analog to it. There are two MR-1's on my bench, one mine and one a friend's. Mine is so dead it may become a donor, but my friend's is worth saving, as it only has one bad habit. Problem: When a tape is played about halfway (or less) through, the takeup reel stops taking up and the loose tape detector then stops the transport. Details: the hubs are powered through gears, not the failure-prone tire. Rewind and FF work fine (about 6.6v at the hub motor), which makes me think the hub motor is OK (but I am not a Nak expert). Voltage to the hub motor is ~3.3v to 3.4v during play. It seems as if the voltage increases a bit as the tape plays through, yet I can't identify any feedback loop for the hub motor on the schematic (again, I'm just an amateur). Reel stoppage is quickly followed by transport disengagement, but it seems as if the hub motor is only receiving ~2.0v prior to disengagement. With the tape door closed but without a tape inserted, the takeup hub spins strongly, even when loaded by pinching with fingers. So I don't know if this is a transport problem or something on the main board. Hopefully, this is a problem others have run into and solved. Thomas From scootersemail at yahoo.com Thu May 19 00:03:59 2011 From: scootersemail at yahoo.com (scott) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 15:03:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: AC Humm in 505 In-Reply-To: <201105181017.p4IA8TUp003766@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <377134.59905.qm@web111401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> HI Bob, Yes I do get it in the headphones. I got the schematic and was looking at it , and it looks like the headphones get the audio right from the rear outputs. I did also tighten all the screws on the board and even the one on top on the corner. Looks like it will have to go to component level and backtrack through the path. I will have to look through the posts for some good audio grade replacement caps that are up to NAK standards. thanks... scott "I hope I'm not repeating now but have you checked all the cables? Have you disconnected all cables and listen through headphones to see if you still have the hum?" Bob N From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Thu May 19 01:15:23 2011 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 01:15:23 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 Rescued Needs Belt In-Reply-To: <06923178-01BD-4789-8ACA-A6F617FBFA98@hawaii.edu> References: <06923178-01BD-4789-8ACA-A6F617FBFA98@hawaii.edu> Message-ID: <004401cc15b1$774c8540$65e58fc0$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Hi Dan, Welcome here . The Belts from Marrs are top quality so i would go for it. He sells complete sets that replaces all belts for your LX-3 Norman -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens Dan Sadler Verzonden: woensdag 18 mei 2011 1:30 Aan: naktalk at naks.com Onderwerp: [naktalk] LX-3 Rescued Needs Belt I recently rescued an LX-3 that was headed to the dump and brought it home. It had most likely been stored in AC it's entire life and seemed in good condition. I had to poke and prod a little under the hood before the mechanism would lift up to engage the tape, but all the functions seemed to work. Not having an amplifier, I had to find an adapter to get my 1/8 headphones connected but am now listening to all my tapes from the 80's. Of course it is a little bigger than my ipod but much more satisfying to push those big buttons and watch the tape spin. My five year old son is the biggest fan and is having a blast listening to the classics. All was well until he reported that a tape was stuck and the deck was making a funny sound. It was a "books on tape" from the public library that was due the next day and sure enough it wouldn't eject, though some motor seemed to run continuously. I took the cover off and found that the square profile belt that engages the lifting mechanism was broken. I manually turned one of the wheels and was able to remove the tape. At that point I found this group through google and have been combing the archives for repair tips. It seems there has been a lot of history in finding acceptable replacement belts. My question is whether I should go with the Kit from Marrs or if I could get back up and running with one of the other online vendors? Should I only replace the broken belt or also swap out the others (I think they are originals) while the top is off. I'm not sure I will be able to discern differences in W&F through my headphones but mainly want to get back to listening to my tapes and also show my son how things can be fixed. I also see a lot of threads about replacing the idler tire, sounds tricky but I'll attempt it if I need to. What is the proper way to determine when to replace the idler? What symptoms are exhibited? Thanks in advance for the advice. One day I hope to get a turntable and introduce my son to my old vinyl and the other joys of analogue. 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I  will have to look through the posts for some good audio grade replacement caps that are up to NAK standards. thanks... scott "I hope I'm not repeating now but have you checked all the cables?  Have you disconnected all cables and listen through headphones to see if you still have the hum?" Bob N ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I will have to look through the posts for some good audio grade replacement caps that are up to NAK standards. thanks... scott "I hope I'm not repeating now but have you checked all the cables? Have you disconnected all cables and listen through headphones to see if you still have the hum?" Bob N ========---------------------------------------------------------======== = Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------======== = Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======== = ____________________________________________________________ Penny Stock Jumping 3000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4dd530d03c617223e3m06duc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Sat May 21 03:47:15 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 15:47:15 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] 581 transport problem In-Reply-To: References: , , , , , , <1766.145.44.29.96.1305614460.squirrel@webmail.internl.net>, Message-ID: Is the brake in the right position on the supply reel? It is quite possible to put it together with the brake in the wrong position. Don't ask me how I know. :-) Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Peter Tanner Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 7:34 AM To: naktalk naktalk Subject: RE: [naktalk] 581 transport problem Hi Willy, I've figured that part out somehow. The problem I have is that even with the spring pushing the metal backing of the felt correctly against the lower hub I still don't have enough tension on the supply hub in play. This lack of tension can produce skewing problems with commercially produced prerecorded cassettes that are mechanically not as good as a blank TDK SAX or Maxell. If I put a somewhat stronger spring in the tension gets better but the fast forward slows down especially with C 100 tapes. Pinch rollers are good and guides are adjusted correctly. On my 582 and 481Z in play mode when I put my finger on the supply hub there is a noticeable drag. It immediately disappears when the fast forward button is pressed and they play everything without a hitch. On the 581 the drag is exactly the same in fast forward as in play. Also the manual gives two different nos for the supply hub and the take up hub. F15 and F14 respectively. They look identical to me. What's the difference? Thanks Peter _____ Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 07:48:49 -0800 Subject: Re: [naktalk] 581 transport problem From: willy at willyhermannservices.com To: naktalk at naks.com Have you noticed that it's very difficult to align the metal pad backing plate with the white plastic base for the reel hub shaft? The reason for that notch is so that, in assembly, you can clip the baking plate in the down position, then mount the lower and upper hub pieces and holding cap. Once done you slide the pad backing plate to the side and it springs up to meet the lower hub. Nak thought of everything. Have you discovered the same type holder for the brakes which allows you to remount the two transport plinths? Willy On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 10:41 PM, wrote: Hi Cheryl, I have the same question about that little felt tension pad. There is indeed a special spot where the bent seems to fit. But doing so the tension pad doesn't touch the supply reel in the right way (as far as i can see). I wonder if the tension pad must fit into that hole. Otherwise', if this is not the case, then that hole would be useless. I am confused. Regards Norman Op Di, 17 mei, 2011 4:27 am schreef Cheryl Kaupp: > It's been a while since I took the transport apart, but as I recall the > spring has a bent end and the bent end needs to fit in it's special spot. > If > I get a chance tomorrow I will take it apart and give you better > instructions. Cheryl > > > _____ > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf > Of Peter Tanner > Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 11:25 AM > To: naktalk naktalk > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 581 transport problem > > > > What little spring? The one that pushes the little felt tension pad > against the hub? If that's what you mean then yes. It's engaged. > > > _____ > > > From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 581 transport problem > Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 14:58:52 -1000 > > > > Is the little spring properly engaged? > > > _____ > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf > Of Peter Tanner > Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 12:07 PM > To: naktalk naktalk > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 581 transport problem > > > > Thanks Cheryl, they are in position. I was wondering if this symptom, > lack of tension on the supply reel, is not caused by those little rubber > pads underneath. They are engaged by the control cam but I am not quite > sure in what manner and what they actually do. Somewhere along the line > something is supposed to brake that supply hub in playback mode so that > the tape is streched before it hits the supply guide. Then that braking > action is released once the deck is in fast forward mode. Cheers > > > Peter > > > > _____ > > > From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 581 transport problem > Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 11:06:40 -1000 > > > > Peter, > > > Check and make sure the supply hub/reel is assembled correctly. The top > part has 3 square rectangular teeth that fit in 3 matching "detent" > positions. These two main pieces NOT fit such that the teeth "engage" the > slots. > > Aloha, > Cheryl > > > _____ > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf > Of Peter Tanner > Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 1:45 PM > To: naktalk naktalk > Subject: [naktalk] 581 transport problem > > > > Hi everybody, > > > I got a 581 some time ago. Was nonfunctional and I got it for parts for > my 582. A friend sold it to me and it was for almost nothing. It looked > good but I had no time so for months I never touched it but a week ago I > finally got around checking it out. It needed a new control motor belt and > the eject mechanism had to be fixed. I did that and it works and sounds > just fine. Put one of Fred Marrs capstan belt on it as well. So a parts > deck turned out to be a good one. There is only one little problem though. > The supply hub > doesn't seem to have any tension on it in play back so some of the poorer > quality tapes tend to get skewed and chewed up especially if there is an > inherent problem with the cassettes themselves. The guides are adjusted > properly with Willy's gauge. The 582 plays everything without a hitch > with some tension in play back which releases once the fast forward button > is pressed. On the 581 the little tension felt disk and spring seem to be > ok. The idler tire is good too. Apparently it was changed a few years ago > according to my friend. The cam adjustment for play and stop is correct. > So > I don't know. According to the manual the take up hub and the supply hub > have different numbers. F14 and F15 respectively. To me they look > identical. If anyone knows the difference please tell me. When we put a > stronger spring in front of the tension felt disk the playback tension was > good and the bad cassettes played but it slowed down the fast forward > drastically as the higher tension became constant without being released > in fast forward. So that was no good. Anyway, only a very few tapes are > affected as the deck plays really well otherwise and after all it was > supposed to be a "parts deck" but it turned out to be really solid and > sounds good so if anyone has any ideas on this I'd highly appreciate it. > Once again no tension on the > left hub in playback. 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URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Sat May 21 04:12:38 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 16:12:38 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] UPDATE - Nakamichi 582 bulbs In-Reply-To: References: <83378.64085.qm@web130120.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: BTW, Mouser has these bulbs for 23 cents each in singles. _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 6:57 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] UPDATE - Nakamichi 582 bulbs These are 20mA bulbs so they should be okay. Since they aren't the OEM version, I'm probably being extra cautious. The hardest part is that the OEM bulbs have legs that are very fine wire and easy to bend/form. The legs are these are much thicker. I plan to push them into the socket as far as possible to give a little bit of working room and then use some very small jeweler's pliers to bend then into position. We'll see how many of them that I break... Fortunately, they are inexpensive so if I break a few it doesn't really matter (53 cents each in singles, 41 cents each in quanitites of 10). Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 5:02 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] UPDATE - Nakamichi 582 bulbs Cheryl, a better way to prevent overheating is to use lamps rated for the correct voltage and current. If memory serves (it's been a while, better check the schematic or P/L), these should be 12V/25mA bulbs. Using higher current bulbs is not advisable :-). -- Ron --- On Mon, 5/16/11, Cheryl Kaupp wrote: From: Cheryl Kaupp Subject: RE: [naktalk] UPDATE - Nakamichi 582 bulbs To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Monday, May 16, 2011, 10:39 PM Okay, it looks like these bulbs are going to work nicely. I have one of the green ones poked into the solder holes of the PAUSE light and it seems to work just fine. They fit nicely in the rubber bulb housing on the 581/582. They have to be inserted with the longer leg in the upper hole. Unfortunately, they do not come in a clear or white which is why I got red and green. Digi-Key p/n 67-1061-ND -- green Manufacturer p/n SSL-LX3044GD-12V 67-1067-ND -- red SSL-LX3044ID-12V After soldering into position I'll leave one on for an extended period and report back if there are any overheating issues. Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 8:37 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 582 bulbs I found some tiny red and green 12V lamps at either DigiKey or Mouser (can't remember which right now). After I get a chance to see if they will work in my 581 and 582 (which each have one or two burned out bulbs), I will let everyone know if they worked and what the part numbers are and who the source is. Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred Longworth Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 7:45 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 582 bulbs LED's vary in their operating voltage. For example, common red and green LED's require approximately 2 volts. The less-common white and blue LED's take about 4-5 volts. Current is typically 10mA. An LED will replace a point-source incandescent indicator lamp with no trouble. The only problem is finding where to mount the outboard series dropping resistor, since the original lamp generally uses 4-10 more volts than the LED requires. I have seen literally hundreds of instances where this resistor has been installed in a manner that looks tacky, and presents some hazard to surrounding circuitry -- or where the value of resistor chosen is technically incorrect, resulting in damage to the LED. LED's are a poor choice for the ubiquitous "fuse type" lamps used in the radio dials of vintage stereo and quad receivers. Since they are point sources, and fuse-type lamps generate an emission >.5" long, many "upgrades" from fuse-lamps to LED's result in an unpleasant fence-post effect, in which the light and dark spots alternate across the dial. At my shop, I've had to "undo" a few "upgrades" because the LED's were so ugly. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 7:00 AM, Vyju wrote: Hi, I picked up a Nakamichi 582 deck recently.I have serviced the deck and replaced all the belts with replacements from Marrs Communications . The deck works fine but all the small bulbs on the control buttons(play,FF,Rew etc ) have failed.Only the green light on the stop button works. I would like to replace the bulbs,can someone tell me a source for these bulbs? 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URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sat May 21 04:21:41 2011 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sat, 21 May 2011 04:21:41 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] donations: 1000, 250, 350 Message-ID: <2c84aebfbef5332aa456043ef0cd6e29.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Contact me off-list, Wouter Here are the descriptions the owner gave: I have a Nak 350 in its original box the box is water-damaged but intact - not resellable with all accesories. The 350 is reported not to work and the case may have some issues. Location San Francisco. I must ship this out by the 25th or it goes into long term storage. I have a Nak 250 with the usual chips in the case and the broken cassette lid springs no longer work - lid missing the hinge points and its power supply. I believe this unit works. I dont have the original box. I must ship this out by the 25th May or it goes into longterm storage. Location San Francisco. I have a Nak 1's either a spare assembly or a defective unit removed for repair. I must ship this out by the 25th May or it goes into storage - I am leaving the country. Location for pickup is San Francisco. From mark8559 at hotmail.com Sat May 21 16:19:14 2011 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Sat, 21 May 2011 08:19:14 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 700II Stops 1/3 the way through while Playing a Tape In-Reply-To: References: <239914.40433.qm@web95016.mail.in2.yahoo.com>, , , , Message-ID: Received a 700II which works fine, but goes into stop mode about 1/3 - 1/2 through on both 60 and 90 minute tapes. I used this older post as a reference to fix the problem, but still no luck. Perhaps it may be a clutch problem? Although the top reel does not easily stop with light finger pressure applied to the top reel. The previous owner had new belts install two years ago and the belt tension seems fine. Any suggestions? Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 17:55:11 -0600 Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 700 stops after starting to play tapes From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Remove the tape door and enter play mode. If the top reel is easily stopped with light finger pressure, or the reel stops intermittently, then you have a clutch and/or belt problem. The reel motor should last another 30 years. tom brucker From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Christian Thomas Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 6:21 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 700 stops after starting to play tapes Has no one replied to this? I would guess that the spool uptake motor is getting a bit weak and sticky. The tape then gets loose after the capstan and an auto cutout stops the tape from playing. The full time solution to this is to replace the motor but this is probably a shame since the problem is likely to be caused by the lubricating grease thickening up through lack of use and age rather than any actual damage. Squirting various solvents and oils into the motor is one route to curing this. Ideally you would remove the motor and then run it for a few hours in each direction. Alternatively you can do a bit of squirting into some of the holes and around the phosphor bronze bearings and FF and Rewind it without a tape for a couple of hours in each direction (keeping a monitor of the temperature - though this shouldn't be a problem.) You may find this starts to allow you perhaps 10 minutes into the tape before it stops again, in which case more of the same is required. Overnight soaks also help as it takes some time for the bronze to take up the new oil. Hope this helps. CT On 6 December 2010 15:55, Mitchell, Mike K wrote: I have used my Nak 700 since ~1975 and only cleaned it every couple years and put in new belts ~5 years ago. Yesterday the tapes would start for a few seconds then stop as if the motor did not have enough power to drive the tape. The tapes are all "loose" ie not too tight. Ideas? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ct.waveform at googlemail.com Sat May 21 17:06:30 2011 From: ct.waveform at googlemail.com (Christian Thomas) Date: Sat, 21 May 2011 16:06:30 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 700II Stops 1/3 the way through while Playing a Tape In-Reply-To: References: <239914.40433.qm@web95016.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi all, I was just about to reply to this thinking I could help and then I noticed that someone had kindly posted my last reply on the subject and saved me the trouble. Thank you. Only thing I can add to that is that light oil is probably desirable; to penetrate quicker and, I suspect, for longevity of repair too. Watch oil would probably be about the mark, at a guess. But then I did mine with 3-in-One. Have some cleaner on hand in case it goes on the belts. Best CT -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fergus.cullen at gmail.com Sat May 21 21:02:47 2011 From: fergus.cullen at gmail.com (Fergus Cullen) Date: Sat, 21 May 2011 20:02:47 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Japanese model numbers Message-ID: Hi all Sorry if this seems like a weird question... Did Naks have different model numbers in Japan? If so is there any way to find out what they were? Thanks Fergus From p9019 at yahoo.com Sun May 22 01:04:28 2011 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sat, 21 May 2011 16:04:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Japanese model numbers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <477207.58582.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes, but only for some of the model in the late 80's, early 90's.  They typically added a zero at the end.  The ST-7 in the US is the ST-70 in Japan and the ST-7E in Europe. You can look at the service manuals of each unit to see if a Japan version had a different model number, but, I don't think anyone has compiled a list.  I have my massive Nakamichi model list web page which lists different model numbers, but, I'm not sure it's 100% correct.  http://www.nakremotes.com/Geo/Model_List.html ________________________________ From: Fergus Cullen To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sat, May 21, 2011 12:02:47 PM Subject: [naktalk] Japanese model numbers Hi all Sorry if this seems like a weird question... Did Naks have different model numbers in Japan? If so is there any way to find out what they were? Thanks Fergus ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sun May 22 01:37:10 2011 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (Ram) Date: Sat, 21 May 2011 19:37:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Japanese model numbers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1EEF851A-EAA8-449B-9E50-B9251DBFC75A@yahoo.com> Hi, Yes as far I know the CR7A/E as it's known in the USA and the EU region, the Japanese version was captioned "CR70" in Japan. Similarly the ZX5 was the Japanese version of the LX5 in the west. I do not know of any other model number changes in Nakamichis. If any one is so knowledgeable, please educate us, Ram On May 21, 2011, at 3:02 PM, Fergus Cullen wrote: > Hi all > > Sorry if this seems like a weird question... > > Did Naks have different model numbers in Japan? If so is there any way > to find out what they were? > > Thanks > Fergus > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sun May 22 04:56:41 2011 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (=?utf-8?B?V291dGVyIEhlaWprZQ==?=) Date: Sat, 21 May 2011 22:56:41 -0400 Subject: =?utf-8?B?UmU6IFtuYWt0YWxrXSBKYXBhbmVzZSBtb2RlbCBudW1iZXJz?= Message-ID: <201105220256.p4M2uXF7026752@smtp-vbr18.xs4all.nl> It is also listed on naks.com on pages of affected decks. Wouter Sent from my HTC ----- Reply message ----- From: "Scott Johnson" Date: Sat, May 21, 2011 19:04 Subject: [naktalk] Japanese model numbers To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Yes, but only for some of the model in the late 80's, early 90's.  They typically added a zero at the end.  The ST-7 in the US is the ST-70 in Japan and the ST-7E in Europe. You can look at the service manuals of each unit to see if a Japan version had a different model number, but, I don't think anyone has compiled a list.  I have my massive Nakamichi model list web page which lists different model numbers, but, I'm not sure it's 100% correct.  http://www.nakremotes.com/Geo/Model_List.html ________________________________ From: Fergus Cullen To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sat, May 21, 2011 12:02:47 PM Subject: [naktalk] Japanese model numbers Hi all Sorry if this seems like a weird question... Did Naks have different model numbers in Japan? 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URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Sun May 22 05:42:58 2011 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sat, 21 May 2011 20:42:58 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Japanese model numbers In-Reply-To: <201105220256.p4M2uXF7026752@smtp-vbr18.xs4all.nl> References: <201105220256.p4M2uXF7026752@smtp-vbr18.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <4D506BEF-6B90-46B6-8DC1-551D5BBE5430@yahoo.com> For the tape decks only the CR series have different model numbers in Japan except maybe the ZX-5 which is Japan only and the BX-300 which virtually the same and marketed to the rest of the world. On May 21, 2011, at 7:56 PM, "Wouter Heijke" wrote: > It is also listed on naks.com on pages of affected decks. > > Wouter > > Sent from my HTC > > ----- Reply message ----- > From: "Scott Johnson" > Date: Sat, May 21, 2011 19:04 > Subject: [naktalk] Japanese model numbers > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Yes, but only for some of the model in the late 80's, early 90's. They > typically added a zero at the end. The ST-7 in the US is the ST-70 in Japan and > the ST-7E in Europe. > You can look at the service manuals of each unit to see if a Japan version had a > different model number, but, I don't think anyone has compiled a list. I have > my massive Nakamichi model list web page which lists different model numbers, > but, I'm not sure it's 100% correct. > http://www.nakremotes.com/Geo/Model_List.html > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Fergus Cullen > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Sat, May 21, 2011 12:02:47 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Japanese model numbers > > Hi all > > Sorry if this seems like a weird question... > > Did Naks have different model numbers in Japan? 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon May 23 14:54:24 2011 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 05:54:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Japanese model numbers In-Reply-To: <4D506BEF-6B90-46B6-8DC1-551D5BBE5430@yahoo.com> References: <201105220256.p4M2uXF7026752@smtp-vbr18.xs4all.nl> <4D506BEF-6B90-46B6-8DC1-551D5BBE5430@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <941730.76212.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Another question that doesn't seem to have a clear answer on the archives is, if the Japanese versions were any different from the International versions. Almost all other Japanese manufacturers did this, and as such, domestic models are highly sort after today. But with Naks? Bala ________________________________ From: Scott Johnson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sun, May 22, 2011 1:42:58 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Japanese model numbers For the tape decks only the CR series have different model numbers in Japan except maybe the ZX-5 which is Japan only and the BX-300 which virtually the same and marketed to the rest of the world. On May 21, 2011, at 7:56 PM, "Wouter Heijke" wrote: It is also listed on naks.com on pages of affected decks. > >Wouter > >Sent from my HTC > >----- Reply message ----- >From: "Scott Johnson" >Date: Sat, May 21, 2011 19:04 >Subject: [naktalk] Japanese model numbers >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >Yes, but only for some of the model in the late 80's, early 90's. They >typically added a zero at the end. The ST-7 in the US is the ST-70 in Japan and > >the ST-7E in Europe. >You can look at the service manuals of each unit to see if a Japan version had a > >different model number, but, I don't think anyone has compiled a list. I have >my massive Nakamichi model list web page which lists different model numbers, >but, I'm not sure it's 100% correct. >http://www.nakremotes.com/Geo/Model_List.html > > > > >________________________________ >From: Fergus Cullen >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Sat, May 21, 2011 12:02:47 PM >Subject: [naktalk] Japanese model numbers > >Hi all > >Sorry if this seems like a weird question... > >Did Naks have different model numbers in Japan? 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Although the top reel does not easily stop with light finger pressure applied to the top reel. The previous owner had new belts install two years ago and the belt tension seems fine. Any suggestions? Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 17:55:11 -0600 Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 700 stops after starting to play tapes From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Remove the tape door and enter play mode. If the top reel is easily stopped with light finger pressure, or the reel stops intermittently, then you have a clutch and/or belt problem.  The reel motor should last another 30 years.   tom brucker   From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Christian Thomas Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 6:21 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 700 stops after starting to play tapes   Has no one replied to this?   I would guess that the spool uptake motor is getting a bit weak and sticky.  The tape then gets loose after the capstan and an auto cutout stops the tape from playing.  The full time solution to this is to replace the motor but this is probably a shame since the problem is likely to be caused by the lubricating grease thickening up through lack of use and age rather than any actual damage.   Squirting various solvents and oils into the motor is one route to curing this.  Ideally you would remove the motor and then run it for a few hours in each direction.  Alternatively you can do a bit of squirting into some of the holes and around the phosphor bronze bearings and FF and Rewind it without a tape for a couple of hours in each direction (keeping a monitor of the temperature - though this shouldn't be a problem.)  You may find this starts to allow you perhaps 10 minutes into the tape before it stops again, in which case more of the same is required.  Overnight soaks also help as it takes some time for the bronze to take up the new oil.  Hope this helps.   CT On 6 December 2010 15:55, Mitchell, Mike K wrote: I have used my Nak 700 since ~1975 and only cleaned it every couple years and put in new belts ~5 years ago.  Yesterday the tapes would start for a few seconds then stop as if the motor did not have enough power to drive the tape.  The tapes are all "loose" ie not too tight.  Ideas? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From letsboogienow at hotmail.com Sun May 22 03:41:19 2011 From: letsboogienow at hotmail.com (M I) Date: Sat, 21 May 2011 21:41:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Japanese model numbers In-Reply-To: <1EEF851A-EAA8-449B-9E50-B9251DBFC75A@yahoo.com> References: , <1EEF851A-EAA8-449B-9E50-B9251DBFC75A@yahoo.com> Message-ID: I thought the ZX5 was the Japanese version of the BX300? Can anyone clarify? > From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Japanese model numbers > Date: Sat, 21 May 2011 19:37:10 -0400 > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Hi, > > Yes as far I know the CR7A/E as it's known in the USA and the EU region, the Japanese version was captioned "CR70" in Japan. Similarly the ZX5 was the Japanese version of the LX5 in the west. > > I do not know of any other model number changes in Nakamichis. 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On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 4:42 AM, Scott Johnson wrote: > For the tape decks only the CR series have different model numbers in Japan > except maybe the ZX-5 which is Japan only and the BX-300 which virtually the > same and marketed to the rest of the world. > > > > > On May 21, 2011, at 7:56 PM, "Wouter Heijke" wrote: > > It is also listed on naks.com on pages of affected decks. > > Wouter > > Sent from my HTC > > ----- Reply message ----- > From: "Scott Johnson" > Date: Sat, May 21, 2011 19:04 > Subject: [naktalk] Japanese model numbers > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Yes, but only for some of the model in the late 80's, early 90's.  They > typically added a zero at the end.  The ST-7 in the US is the ST-70 in Japan > and > the ST-7E in Europe. > You can look at the service manuals of each unit to see if a Japan version > had a > different model number, but, I don't think anyone has compiled a list.  I > have > my massive Nakamichi model list web page which lists different model > numbers, > but, I'm not sure it's 100% correct. > http://www.nakremotes.com/Geo/Model_List.html > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Fergus Cullen > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Sat, May 21, 2011 12:02:47 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Japanese model numbers > > Hi all > > Sorry if this seems like a weird question... > > Did Naks have different model numbers in Japan? If so is there any way > to find out what they were? > > Thanks > Fergus > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From scootersemail at yahoo.com Mon May 23 03:32:59 2011 From: scootersemail at yahoo.com (scott) Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 18:32:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: 505 ac hum In-Reply-To: <201105201017.p4KA8TGN011001@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <840955.73468.qm@web111402.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> "Scott, Did you listen to the headphones while ALL the cables were disconnected? " Bob N Hi Bob, Yes its all disconnected except for the headphones. ,Also the suggestion to swap the plug around was tried. The humm does seem to surge with program volume which makes sense to an earlier suggestion that it is a capacitor not keeping up with the increase of voltage. So it looks like troubleshooting to component level with a schematic . I not up to that though as I dont have a scope to see the 60 cycle wave form on the various parts. Thanks for all the replies, scott From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue May 24 02:23:13 2011 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 17:23:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Japanese model numbers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <199296.72202.qm@web112704.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Yes. I stand corrected. The ZX 5 is the Japanese Bx300 no the LX5. Sorry for the oversight Ram --- On Sat, 5/21/11, M I wrote: From: M I Subject: RE: [naktalk] Japanese model numbers To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Saturday, May 21, 2011, 9:41 PM I thought the ZX5 was the Japanese version of the BX300? Can anyone clarify?   > From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Japanese model numbers > Date: Sat, 21 May 2011 19:37:10 -0400 > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Hi, > > Yes as far I know the CR7A/E as it's known in the USA and the EU region, the Japanese version was captioned "CR70" in Japan. Similarly the ZX5 was the Japanese version of the LX5 in the west. > > I do not know of any other model number changes in Nakamichis. If any one is so knowledgeable, please educate us, > > Ram > > > > On May 21, 2011, at 3:02 PM, Fergus Cullen wrote: > > > Hi all > > > > Sorry if this seems like a weird question... > > > > Did Naks have different model numbers in Japan? 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URL: From koman56 at hol.gr Tue May 24 16:21:39 2011 From: koman56 at hol.gr (Manolis Komninos) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 17:21:39 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Problem with a BX-300 Message-ID: <4DDBBEF3.9090206@hol.gr> Hi everybody! I just received a BX-300 bought from ebay Germany. The seller had described the unit as tested and all functions working very well. Unfortunately as soon as i plugged in the AC power cord and tried to power up the unit it will not do anything. Nothing powers or lights up, it is a s good as dead...... I have no reason to believe that the seller has intentionally misinformed me (and all the ebay buyers) about the condition of the deck, as he was the owner with a very good feedback and not a business seller.....I only opened the top cover and checked the 2 bulb fuses next to the power supply which seem to be OK (not burned). Before doing anything with the deck does anyone have any idea of what might have happened to the unit? Is there anything i could check IOT to power up the deck? The box (not the original but a very sturdy one) had no outer damages (to show possible mistreatment by the mail services) and the unit was sufficiently wrapped up with lots of plastic bubble wrap .....Any input will be very much appreciated. PS One thing, i think, i noticed when i plugged in the unit for the first time, is that the red peak level lights lit up (the 2 lower ones) for only a second and then went dead, but it could be my "imagination" as everything happened too fast....... Manos Athens- Greece From tbnast at isomedia.com Tue May 24 21:11:07 2011 From: tbnast at isomedia.com (Thomas B. Nast) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 12:11:07 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 transport nut Message-ID: <4DDC02CB.7050200@isomedia.com> I've pulled a testing-good reel motor from a donor MR-1, and am attempting to transplant it into an otherwise-good MR-1. Procedure is, basically (1) remove transport from chassis, (2) remove reels from spindles, (3) remove capstan motor assembly, then (4) remove reel motor. Fiddly, but straightforward. However, both the donor and receiver transports have shed a brass 5.0 mm (o.d.) nut along the way. (This is *not* the smaller nut that helps secure the reel motor assembly.) I've not no idea where that nut comes from, but no doubt it needs to go back. Anybody know? Many thanks. Thomas From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Wed May 25 00:43:01 2011 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (Ram) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 18:43:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Problem with a BX-300 In-Reply-To: <4DDBBEF3.9090206@hol.gr> References: <4DDBBEF3.9090206@hol.gr> Message-ID: Is the unit set for 22-240 volts operation? Or was it on 110 volts and plugged into a 220-240 outlet? Ram On May 24, 2011, at 10:21 AM, Manolis Komninos wrote: > Hi everybody! > I just received a BX-300 bought from ebay Germany. The seller had described the unit as tested and all functions working very well. Unfortunately as soon as i plugged in the AC power cord and tried to power up the unit it will not do anything. Nothing powers or lights up, it is a s good as dead...... > I have no reason to believe that the seller has intentionally misinformed me (and all the ebay buyers) about the condition of the deck, as he was the owner with a very good feedback and not a business seller.....I only opened the top cover and checked the 2 bulb fuses next to the power supply which seem to be OK (not burned). > Before doing anything with the deck does anyone have any idea of what might have happened to the unit? Is there anything i could check IOT to power up the deck? The box (not the original but a very sturdy one) had no outer damages (to show possible mistreatment by the mail services) and the unit was sufficiently wrapped up with lots of plastic bubble wrap .....Any input will be very much appreciated. > PS One thing, i think, i noticed when i plugged in the unit for the first time, is that the red peak level lights lit up (the 2 lower ones) for only a second and then went dead, but it could be my "imagination" as everything happened too fast....... > Manos > Athens- Greece > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Wed May 25 00:44:25 2011 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 15:44:25 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Problem with a BX-300 In-Reply-To: <4DDBBEF3.9090206@hol.gr> References: <4DDBBEF3.9090206@hol.gr> Message-ID: Manos, The first thing I would check is for shipping damage, a loose connector, or maybe a crack in the circuit board. Then I would get out my ohmmeter and see what the resistance was looking into the line cord with the power switch ON. If you get infinity, then either the power switch is bad, there's a crack in a board you haven't found, or the transformer primary is open. In this case, I would look closely at the power switch and transformer primary separately. Good luck with this. The BX-300 is a nice deck. Fred Classic Audio Repair www.repairaudio.com * * * * * On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 7:21 AM, Manolis Komninos wrote: > Hi everybody! > I just received a BX-300 bought from ebay Germany. The seller had described > the unit as tested and all functions working very well. Unfortunately as > soon as i plugged in the AC power cord and tried to power up the unit it > will not do anything. Nothing powers or lights up, it is a s good as > dead...... > I have no reason to believe that the seller has intentionally misinformed > me (and all the ebay buyers) about the condition of the deck, as he was the > owner with a very good feedback and not a business seller.....I only opened > the top cover and checked the 2 bulb fuses next to the power supply which > seem to be OK (not burned). > Before doing anything with the deck does anyone have any idea of what might > have happened to the unit? Is there anything i could check IOT to power up > the deck? 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URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Wed May 25 01:39:39 2011 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 15:39:39 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Problem with a BX-300 In-Reply-To: <4DDBBEF3.9090206@hol.gr> References: <4DDBBEF3.9090206@hol.gr> Message-ID: Hi Manos - Still buying decks are you? I know this may be a little obvious but is the voltage the same in Greece as Germany? Willy On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 6:21 AM, Manolis Komninos wrote: > Hi everybody! > I just received a BX-300 bought from ebay Germany. The seller had described > the unit as tested and all functions working very well. Unfortunately as > soon as i plugged in the AC power cord and tried to power up the unit it > will not do anything. Nothing powers or lights up, it is a s good as > dead...... > I have no reason to believe that the seller has intentionally misinformed > me (and all the ebay buyers) about the condition of the deck, as he was the > owner with a very good feedback and not a business seller.....I only opened > the top cover and checked the 2 bulb fuses next to the power supply which > seem to be OK (not burned). > Before doing anything with the deck does anyone have any idea of what might > have happened to the unit? Is there anything i could check IOT to power up > the deck? 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URL: From koman56 at hol.gr Wed May 25 13:15:39 2011 From: koman56 at hol.gr (Manolis Komninos) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 14:15:39 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Problem with a BX 300 In-Reply-To: <201105251006.p4PA05Y6020726@zxe.naks.com> References: <201105251006.p4PA05Y6020726@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <4DDCE4DB.707@hol.gr> Dear friends thank you all for your inputs! Willy and Ram, yes the deck is only 220V AC (for Europe) and we use the same voltage with the Germans. Willy, yes i still try to collect NAKs but i have lowered my ambitions for less expensive models (i have been trying to get a ZX-9 as you know......but not any more, at least not for the near future...( and noticed you had one on sale on ebay but not to ship overseas..... i wonder why as you would get a better offer! ) This BX 300 is in very good state but now i must start checking out what happened to it during transportation, fortunately i only paid 120 euro (175 USD) which is a good price for it....Fred thank you very much for your valuable inputs i will have to take them to my tech as -even if i do have a good Voltmeter at home- i am not sure i am able to check all the points you suggested (i probably need more simple instructions (and of course i can't ask you that) but he will be able to follow your points..... If any one else in the forum has any other suggestions please pass it over so i can then take them all together to my tech... Thanks again! Manos From claude-bonnafous at wanadoo.fr Wed May 25 14:39:03 2011 From: claude-bonnafous at wanadoo.fr (Claude BONNAFOUS) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 14:39:03 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 transport nut Message-ID: <1196E91D36D440AAB003C0816ED47E0C@CLO2842> Hi Thomas, this nut is a bit dumbfounding as it is not at all used as a regular nut but as a spacer. You can see where it is supposed to go if you look at the service manual; page 14, it is L 28. Hope this helps, regards, Claude. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjkent at comcast.net Wed May 25 18:06:25 2011 From: rjkent at comcast.net (R Kent) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 09:06:25 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 Spare Nuts In-Reply-To: <201105251009.p4PA88KO020745@zxe.naks.com> References: <201105251009.p4PA88KO020745@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <000601cc1af5$b33bc450$19b34cf0$@net> Thomas, The spare nuts are most likely nuts that were used as spacers in the real motor assembly by Nakamichi in the CR decks and I believe the BX, and MR decks as well. It generally falls out when you remove the real motor assembly and is difficult to tell where it comes from. If you have the service manual it will help. Also, the gear modification bulletin OOD-SI-3117 can be helpful....these are available from the naks.com wiki. I had the same problem when I did a gear mod on a CR-5 some years ago, and got some helpful guidance from Kannan. Additionally, the following clip from a post by Willy describes a little better where the nut spacer is located: "Two notes - when you get the spooling motor plate off notice that there's a nut loose on a shaft holding the brake assembly in place. Yes, that really is a nut that Nakamichi is using for a spacer and it has to go back in the same place. Also, the spring plate which pushes down on the cassette box when it's loaded weaves into the top of the transport plate. It needs to be back in that position when you replace the motor plate. I can't tell you how many times I've gotten all the way through reassembly only to find that I didn't get that plate back in place. Best of luck. Willy" Hope this helps, Robert Kent From: "Thomas B. Nast" Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 transport nut I've pulled a testing-good reel motor from a donor MR-1, and am attempting to transplant it into an otherwise-good MR-1. Procedure is, basically (1) remove transport from chassis, (2) remove reels from spindles, (3) remove capstan motor assembly, then (4) remove reel motor. Fiddly, but straightforward. However, both the donor and receiver transports have shed a brass 5.0 mm (o.d.) nut along the way. (This is *not* the smaller nut that helps secure the reel motor assembly.) I've not no idea where that nut comes from, but no doubt it needs to go back. Anybody know? Many thanks. Thomas From claude-bonnafous at wanadoo.fr Wed May 25 15:00:31 2011 From: claude-bonnafous at wanadoo.fr (Claude BONNAFOUS) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 15:00:31 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 transport nut Message-ID: <66489FD42A7D4536A9FA05F480705418@CLO2842> Thomas, you could also use the "Sankyo gear conversion" instructions, available from Naks documents, that somewhat shows where that nut should go, even if it says: "remember the original position" !! Claude. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Can you state the P/N or provide an exact description of where it came from? -- Ron --- On Tue, 5/24/11, Thomas B. Nast wrote: > From: Thomas B. Nast > Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 transport nut > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Tuesday, May 24, 2011, 3:11 PM > I've pulled a testing-good reel motor > from a donor MR-1, and am attempting to transplant it into > an otherwise-good MR-1. > > Procedure is, basically (1) remove transport from chassis, > (2) remove reels from spindles, (3) remove capstan motor > assembly, then (4) remove reel motor.  Fiddly, but > straightforward. > > However, both the donor and receiver transports have shed a > brass 5.0 mm (o.d.) nut along the way.  (This is *not* > the smaller nut that helps secure the reel motor > assembly.)  I've not no idea where that nut comes from, > but no doubt it needs to go back. > > Anybody know? > > Many thanks. > > Thomas > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the > wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                 >        Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sun May 29 14:56:51 2011 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 14:56:51 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: Beocord 9000 update] Message-ID: ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: Beocord 9000 update From: "Christian Thomas" Date: Sun, May 29, 2011 04:03 To: -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi Guys The Beocord 9000 is now turning and it works. Praise the Lord. I can hear some great things, but only in parts. Otherwise it’s a pretty mixed bag, and on some material I have felt my system really struggling to make sense of things coming from it. In some ways it has taken me back to places I had forgotten about, being truly awful on bad tapes. Not having Dolby A doesn’t help – it has everything else up to HX-Pro (though where that is I can’t immediately see) so a large number of recordings are going to be out of bounds – and an FeCr setting doesn’t quite make it right. Believe me, I am trying to like this deck, and I do hear some great things. It is more detailed than the Bx-300, but I don’t have the feeling on speed stability or sense of power of that machine. I’m not sure if the flat belt I bought was new and if MikeM is reading this, perhaps he can tell me. I am getting all sorts of modulation from time to time, and it’s really intolerant of stretched or misused tapes. I’m building up my cassette collection from charity shops so one can rarely tell their condition, but these are the same tapes played on the BX-300. It doesn’t sound to me as though it’s shagged out. In fact my suspicion is that it has been underused. There isn’t that soggy, soft sound that I know from amplifiers where the supply capacitors have really had their day. Nor do I have the sense of a general roll off from the heads being worn. As I say, while not really where I expect things to be nowadays – where we take the top end for granted – it really seems pretty good up there given the medium. In fact, if I could get the rest of it right I’m sure it wouldn’t notice for a moment. I wasted £3.99 on eBay for a service manual which I could barely read, only to find they can be had for free at beoworld.com. From looking at the innards, not the manual, it seems the head amplifier centres around a very old TLO72 which would explain (to me at least) quite a bit of the sound. I’m fond of this as an op amp because it’s sharp and lively and has plenty of get up and go, but it’s not the finest thing around. It will sound cleaner than many of the contemporary op amps and seems to be nicely balanced out here. But it might also explain why I don’t feel the power and smoothness in orchestral build-ups – and there really does seem to be a lack of bass in this respect – though what is there is really quite good. But there are polystyrene capacitors abounding in the signal path and this too (though I have never tried them alongside a TLO72) would also give wonderful results in all detailed ways. It’s the modulation problems – and these can be right up into the lower midband – the speed stability and the sheer crappiness on less than perfect tapes (and I also get a feeling that this is not just the physically imperfect but also less than ideal quality seems to be penalised more than on the Nak) that really need sorting out. I don’t really know where to go on this so would like to hand it over to the experts. I don’t believe the machine is as bad as I’m hearing. I may not think it is yet a Nak beater but I would like to give it a chance. But nor do I think it is entirely the transport mechanism that is at fault. I suspect that there are things going on – beyond it just needing a damned good service – that only those in the know will know. I can get a new belt for the flywheel, and the pinch roller rubber is slightly perished, but instinctively I feel the problems run deeper. I have some good kit here with which to test it, including an Audio Precision analyser but really need some guidance as to what to do next, not least knowing whether I can do it stand-alone or need some independent test tapes. (The AP can make test tones that it can recognise -certainly on a CD, so presumably on tape too, though I don’t have a lead to try it - and then tell you the distortion as it picks up the fundamentals.) I suppose I ought to be able to work out a mechanism by which one can tell the alignment from this, or it must be in a paper somewhere, but guidance is always welcome from those with experience. I am only too happy to share any and all of my findings with the group as a whole – and tapes if it comes to that. Incidentally, this is my attitude in all things, certainly to the bounds of what is fair, though I won’t be making tapes all day. Thanks for all your help so far. I know this is not a Nakamichi deck, but it probably deserves a place in the Pantheon of good decks, even if not on present showing. Best wishes to you all Christian Thomas PS BTW, I am in the UK, unlike the majority here who seem to be in the US. It means I have to miss out on an awful lot of good decks going free, but in this instance it may have also a bearing on what you can ask me do on this topic. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jacques (\__/) (='.'=) (")_(") From rkrause at multiplan.com.br Mon May 30 03:30:28 2011 From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause) Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 22:30:28 -0300 Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: Beocord 9000 update] References: Message-ID: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC4037EE74F@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br> Dear all, Although I am a Nak fan and owner of a "distressed" Nak 600, my question to you concerns my Akai reel to reel deck. Because I live in Brazil I'm at a loss for expert servicing of my hi fi equipment, so other than having to ship (way too expensive) or bring it in myself (out of Brazil...!) to the USA and ship it to some repair center, I've so far been successful in making small repairs myself. This time, however, I've adjusted my capstan drive on my Akai GX365D as directed in the service manual and was not successful. The solenoid seems to be OK given that when it is activated it will hold well the plunger (very strong hold) which leads me to think that I am missing something when making the adjustments. The problem is that it does not seem to have the strength to pull the plunger all the way, although it does hold it well if I push it down. I've adjusted the pressure to about the 1.8Kg recommended and have adjusted the tape shifter lever to the 0.5mm clearance as stated in the manual. I am sending a coulpe of pictures if this may help. The rubber band (in the photo) is to keep the tension arm up and not disengage the solenoid. Please see if there are any hints you may give me as to how to adjust these components or, if not, who could help me here. Thank you all for your assistance. Rodrigo Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes privilegiadas e/ou de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem autorizacao do remetente. Portanto, se voce recebeu esta mensagem por engano, por favor, nos informe respondendo imediatamente a este e-mail e em seguida apague-a. A empresa MULTIPLAN nao se responsabiliza por conclusoes, opinioes, ou outras informacoes nesta mensagem que nao se relacionem com sua linha de negocios. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: DSC_0841.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 4348395 bytes Desc: DSC_0841.JPG URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Tue May 31 05:13:27 2011 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 20:13:27 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: Beocord 9000 update] In-Reply-To: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC4037EE74F@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br> References: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC4037EE74F@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br> Message-ID: Rodrigo, Check the pinch roller arm pivot bearing (some call it the hinge bearing.) This gets sticky, and sometimes almost totally freezes up, on many R2R decks -- esp. Teac and Akai. This results in weak contact between the pinch roller and the capstan shaft. To service this, the arm pivot bearing needs to be fully disassembled, and the old gummed-up lubricant completely cleaned out. Relube with machine oil, not grease. Fred Fred Longworth MBA, CHMM Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F San Diego, CA 92116 (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 Fax: (619) 282-7872 classicaudiorepair at gmail.com stereo1 at cox.net www.repairaudio.com On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 6:30 PM, Rodrigo Krause wrote: > Dear all, > > Although I am a Nak fan and owner of a "distressed" Nak 600, my question to > you concerns my Akai reel to reel deck. Because I live in Brazil I'm > at a loss for expert servicing of my hi fi equipment, so other than > having to ship (way too expensive) or bring it in myself (out of > Brazil...!) to the USA and > ship it to some repair center, I've so far been successful in making > small repairs myself. > > This time, however, I've adjusted my capstan drive on my Akai GX365D as > directed in the service manual and was not successful. The solenoid seems to > be OK given > that when it is activated it will hold well the plunger (very strong > hold) which leads me to think that I am missing something when > making the adjustments. The problem is that it does not seem to have the > strength to pull the plunger all the way, although it does hold it well if > I > push it down. > I've adjusted the pressure to about the 1.8Kg recommended and have > adjusted the tape shifter lever to the 0.5mm clearance as stated in the > manual. > I am sending a coulpe of pictures if this may help. The rubber band (in > the photo) is to keep the tension arm up and not disengage the solenoid. > Please see if there are any hints you may give me as to how to adjust > these components or, if not, who could help me here. > Thank you all for your assistance. > Rodrigo > > Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes privilegiadas e/ou > de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem autorizacao do > remetente. > > Portanto, se voce recebeu esta mensagem por engano, por favor, nos informe > respondendo imediatamente a este e-mail e em seguida apague-a. > > A empresa MULTIPLAN nao se responsabiliza por conclusoes, opinioes, ou outras > informacoes nesta mensagem que nao se relacionem com sua linha de negocios. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Get 50-90% off your city's best! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4de3ad7999721052edst03vuc From adrian at mechner.net Mon May 30 12:23:25 2011 From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner) Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 03:23:25 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] (no subject) Message-ID: <000c01cc1eb3$9ccbc140$d66343c0$@net> Hi to all of you! I need some advice for selling my two Naks. Both are in excellent working order, are used on regular basis at least for one hour/day. One is a MR2 in perfect cosmetic condition I would rate it at a 9,5. Inside it's a joy to take a look. Heads show no wear at all and Bias is on 0 for Maxell XLII, TDK SA and FUJI METAL al well as Maxell UR. Has both handles in separate bag with all mounting hardware. The other one is a CR3A in cosmetic condition 8. No scratches on front, only a few tiny signs on the upper front edge nicely tinted and the cover has normal ware signs but iun a decent manner. 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The 9000 is, to my knowledge, one of the few of their products that universally gets the audiophile stamp of approval. Having aired my slight prejudice (which perhaps should not be repeated on Beoworld), I shall try to repost the same question there. Best wishes Christian On 29 May 2011 18:31, Jacques Frantz wrote: > Hi, > > You really should post on the Beoworld forum! > I'll wait for you down there! > > Jacques > > (\__/) > (='.'=) > (")_(") > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Though it may not best, as I say. But you will know from experience, and some other maybe too, what sort of difference giving the pinch roller fresh rubber makes. All the best Christian On 31 May 2011 04:13, Fred Longworth wrote: > Rodrigo, > > Check the pinch roller arm pivot bearing (some call it the hinge bearing.) > This gets sticky, and sometimes almost totally freezes up, on many R2R decks > -- esp. Teac and Akai. This results in weak contact between the pinch roller > and the capstan shaft. > > To service this, the arm pivot bearing needs to be fully disassembled, and > the old gummed-up lubricant completely cleaned out. Relube with machine oil, > not grease. > > Fred > > Fred Longworth MBA, CHMM > Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 > 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F > San Diego, CA 92116 > (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 > Fax: (619) 282-7872 > classicaudiorepair at gmail.com > stereo1 at cox.net > www.repairaudio.com > > On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 6:30 PM, Rodrigo Krause wrote: > >> Dear all, >> >> Although I am a Nak fan and owner of a "distressed" Nak 600, my question >> to you concerns my Akai reel to reel deck. Because I live in Brazil I'm >> at a loss for expert servicing of my hi fi equipment, so other than >> having to ship (way too expensive) or bring it in myself (out of >> Brazil...!) to the USA and >> ship it to some repair center, I've so far been successful in making >> small repairs myself. >> >> This time, however, I've adjusted my capstan drive on my Akai GX365D as >> directed in the service manual and was not successful. The solenoid seems to >> be OK given >> that when it is activated it will hold well the plunger (very strong >> hold) which leads me to think that I am missing something when >> making the adjustments. The problem is that it does not seem to have the >> strength to pull the plunger all the way, although it does hold it well if >> I >> push it down. >> I've adjusted the pressure to about the 1.8Kg recommended and have >> adjusted the tape shifter lever to the 0.5mm clearance as stated in the >> manual. >> I am sending a coulpe of pictures if this may help. The rubber band (in >> the photo) is to keep the tension arm up and not disengage the solenoid. >> Please see if there are any hints you may give me as to how to adjust >> these components or, if not, who could help me here. >> Thank you all for your assistance. >> Rodrigo >> >> Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes privilegiadas e/ou >> de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem autorizacao do >> remetente. >> >> Portanto, se voce recebeu esta mensagem por engano, por favor, nos informe >> respondendo imediatamente a este e-mail e em seguida apague-a. >> >> A empresa MULTIPLAN nao se responsabiliza por conclusoes, opinioes, ou outras >> informacoes nesta mensagem que nao se relacionem com sua linha de negocios. >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fergus.cullen at gmail.com Tue May 31 12:58:51 2011 From: fergus.cullen at gmail.com (Fergus Cullen) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 11:58:51 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Looking for CM-300 mics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As far as I know you can find them online (expensive I guess) or substitute with other more readily available ones. On 31 May 2011 08:48, "jim phillips" wrote: > Are the correct fitting batteries still available for them? > > > At 06:38 AM 5/28/2011, you wrote: >>Hi >> >>I'm on a mic search again. This time I'm looking for a set of three >>Nak CM-300s. >>If anyone hears of any for sale please let me know. >> >>Thanks! >> >>-- >>Fergus >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Groupon™ Official Site > 1 ridiculously huge coupon a day. Get 50-90% off your city's best! > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4de3ad7999721052edst03vuc > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkrause at multiplan.com.br Tue May 31 11:50:32 2011 From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 06:50:32 -0300 Subject: Res: Re: [naktalk] [Fwd: Beocord 9000 update] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40338E0CE@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br> Thaank you Fred. I"ll try that and let you know how it worked out. It just seems that everything is just fine... Regards, Rodrigo ________________________________ De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Enviada em: Tue May 31 00:13:27 2011 Assunto: Re: [naktalk] [Fwd: Beocord 9000 update] Rodrigo, Check the pinch roller arm pivot bearing (some call it the hinge bearing.) This gets sticky, and sometimes almost totally freezes up, on many R2R decks -- esp. Teac and Akai. This results in weak contact between the pinch roller and the capstan shaft. To service this, the arm pivot bearing needs to be fully disassembled, and the old gummed-up lubricant completely cleaned out. Relube with machine oil, not grease. Fred Fred Longworth MBA, CHMM Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F San Diego, CA 92116 (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 Fax: (619) 282-7872 classicaudiorepair at gmail.com stereo1 at cox.net www.repairaudio.com On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 6:30 PM, Rodrigo Krause wrote: Dear all, Although I am a Nak fan and owner of a "distressed" Nak 600, my question to you concerns my Akai reel to reel deck. Because I live in Brazil I'm at a loss for expert servicing of my hi fi equipment, so other than having to ship (way too expensive) or bring it in myself (out of Brazil...!) to the USA and ship it to some repair center, I've so far been successful in making small repairs myself. This time, however, I've adjusted my capstan drive on my Akai GX365D as directed in the service manual and was not successful. The solenoid seems to be OK given that when it is activated it will hold well the plunger (very strong hold) which leads me to think that I am missing something when making the adjustments. The problem is that it does not seem to have the strength to pull the plunger all the way, although it does hold it well if I push it down. I've adjusted the pressure to about the 1.8Kg recommended and have adjusted the tape shifter lever to the 0.5mm clearance as stated in the manual. I am sending a coulpe of pictures if this may help. The rubber band (in the photo) is to keep the tension arm up and not disengage the solenoid. Please see if there are any hints you may give me as to how to adjust these components or, if not, who could help me here. Thank you all for your assistance. Rodrigo Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes privilegiadas e/ou de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem autorizacao do remetente. Portanto, se voce recebeu esta mensagem por engano, por favor, nos informe respondendo imediatamente a este e-mail e em seguida apague-a. A empresa MULTIPLAN nao se responsabiliza por conclusoes, opinioes, ou outras informacoes nesta mensagem que nao se relacionem com sua linha de negocios. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes privilegiadas e/ou de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem autorizacao do remetente. Portanto, se voce recebeu esta mensagem por engano, por favor, nos informe respondendo imediatamente a este e-mail e em seguida apague-a. 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Kevin ________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 10:45:14 -0400 From: jim phillips Subject: Re: [naktalk] Looking for CM-300 mics To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Are the correct fitting batteries still available for them? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aswett1 at rochester.rr.com Tue May 31 23:03:09 2011 From: aswett1 at rochester.rr.com (Al Swett) Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 17:03:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Looking for CM-300 mics References: Message-ID: When I went looking for these batteries 8 years ago, I found a link which directed me to the Eveready 206 which I found on Amazon just now...$6.39 from "Batteries". Here's the link with the information (and some other ideas)...amazing it's still active: http://www.wagnerone.com/enteract/dat/portable_power/nak.html ----- Original Message ----- From: Fergus Cullen To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 6:58 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Looking for CM-300 mics As far as I know you can find them online (expensive I guess) or substitute with other more readily available ones. On 31 May 2011 08:48, "jim phillips" wrote: > Are the correct fitting batteries still available for them? > > > At 06:38 AM 5/28/2011, you wrote: >>Hi >> >>I'm on a mic search again. This time I'm looking for a set of three >>Nak CM-300s. >>If anyone hears of any for sale please let me know. >> >>Thanks! >> >>-- >>Fergus >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Groupon™ Official Site > 1 ridiculously huge coupon a day. 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URL: g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2011\2011-November.txt.txt ************************************************************************ From shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz Tue Nov 1 00:52:29 2011 From: shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz (shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 12:52:29 +1300 (NZDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dolby Level 400Hz 200nWb/m Test Tape In-Reply-To: <201110311106.p9VB05gY031255@zxe.naks.com> References: <201110311106.p9VB05gY031255@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <6d16fd264ce5842799880a9e04ae1eb8.squirrel@my.actrix.co.nz> Stelios, FWIW I use a set of these tapes to 'tune up' my own decks here in NZ, and am very happy with them. (I've added in the 3Khz speed, and 15Khz alignment to make the basic set for Nakking) They perform equivalent to the genuine Nakamichi factory tapes I own, and are easily obtainable at a fair price. IME, most genuine test tapes I have come across are overly expensive and pretty well 'stuffed' from years of use. I'll add a caveat in that I have met the seller (a list-member here also). Gennady has a passion for our decks, and is a thoroughly nice person. The other caveat is that I am 'home hack' not a Techie, so Willy's comments as a "real" tech will be probably of more value to you though. cheers, M > Hi >   > In my last ebay search  trying to find a 400hz test tape equivalent to > Nakamichi DA09005 > i found  out that Willy Herman bought a tape from a person in NewZealand ( > item 220882774978). > Willy i'd like to know your opinion about this tape.Is it worth to buy it > , because it's a little bit expensive. >   > Best regards >   > Stelios From uraldurusu at ttmail.com Tue Nov 1 05:34:36 2011 From: uraldurusu at ttmail.com (Ural Durusu) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 06:34:36 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon ZX Tape Calibration Message-ID: <923E19E866B44290AEDB568BB517176D@surdokmdnb> Hello, While calibrating the ZX tapes few seconds later the start of bias adjustment NAAC moves the playback head and the left channel lights drops 5-7 segments down and the right channel 1-2. ( I hear the NAAC sound but the direction light is not flashing). After that the adjustment knobs does not have any affect. When switched back to level adjustment also the left channel level lights are dropped as above. Turns to normal when the NAAC is reset and does the same at bias adjustment after few seconds later at every try. This only happens at ZX tape type. What can be the problem? Thank you for your comments. Regards, Ural Durusu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stekast at yahoo.com Tue Nov 1 08:54:32 2011 From: stekast at yahoo.com (stelios kastanakis) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 00:54:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dolby Level 400Hz 200nWb/m Test Tape In-Reply-To: <6d16fd264ce5842799880a9e04ae1eb8.squirrel@my.actrix.co.nz> References: <201110311106.p9VB05gY031255@zxe.naks.com> <6d16fd264ce5842799880a9e04ae1eb8.squirrel@my.actrix.co.nz> Message-ID: <1320134072.12563.YahooMailNeo@web161402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hi   You guys are amazing. You help me a lot and I have decide to buy a full set of tapes. I have already contact Gennady and I hope that I will have them in a few days. Thank you all for your help  Regards Stelios   ________________________________ From: "shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz" To: stelios kastanakis ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2011 1:52 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dolby Level 400Hz 200nWb/m Test Tape Stelios, FWIW I use a set of these  tapes to 'tune up' my own decks here in NZ, and am very happy with them. (I've added in the 3Khz speed, and 15Khz alignment to make the basic set for Nakking) They perform equivalent to the genuine Nakamichi factory tapes I own, and are easily obtainable at a fair  price. IME, most genuine test tapes I have come across are overly expensive and pretty well 'stuffed' from years of use. I'll add a caveat in that I have met the seller (a list-member here also). Gennady has a passion for our decks, and is a thoroughly nice person. The other caveat is that I am 'home hack' not a Techie, so Willy's comments as a "real" tech will be probably of more value to you though. cheers, M > Hi >   > In my last ebay search  trying to find a 400hz test tape equivalent to > Nakamichi DA09005 > i found  out that Willy Herman bought a tape from a person in NewZealand ( > item 220882774978). > Willy i'd like to know your opinion about this tape.Is it worth to buy it > , because it's a little bit expensive. >   > Best regards >   > Stelios -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Tue Nov 1 19:53:13 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 08:53:13 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] NAK 580 In-Reply-To: <20111028223657.03VHX.19484.imail@eastrmwml49> References: <20111028223657.03VHX.19484.imail@eastrmwml49> Message-ID: Since no one else has responded I'll take a whack, but bear in mind I have no experience with a 580 and it is different than my 581. You didn't state whether you are a novice or advanced tech type, so for this post will be directed to a novice. Unless you are mechanically adept, don't even consider oiling the capstans. You have to remove and then partially disassemble the transport to do so. If they are working quietly and smoothly and you are a novice then just leave them alone. Replacing the bulb shouldn't be too difficult. It is probably a 12 volt bulb. When you take off the front cover be careful because the wires that attach to the vu-meters are very fragile and the connections are easy to break. If you take it apart and put it back together and the vu-meter(s) no longer work then you probably broke a wire and will need to re-solder it. Have you tried the user calibration process before thinking about factory type calibration? I did find a picture of a 580 and it does appear to have user calibration pots on the front. Look for a 580 manual on the wiki and follow the user bias/record level calibration instructions. Also, look for a 580 service manual on the wiki. In the parts section it should tell you what bulb you will need to replace the vu-meter bulb. Aloha, Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of spmcmanus at cox.net Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 4:37 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] NAK 580 Hi guys It's been awhile, I just acquired a 580,have some questions... One bulb is burned out over the VU meter, how difficult is it to change out and what voltage is the bulb? This deck has a manual bias adjustment one for each chanel.The manual suggests using test equipment which I do not have,It appears to be set about the 12 o'clock position.Is this the factory setting? How do I set the the bias adjustment? I use mainly Maxell XL II from the 80's & 90's. Finally, it has dual capstans, do these need to be oiled or are they factory sealed? Thanks for your help. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From spmcmanus at cox.net Wed Nov 2 02:11:25 2011 From: spmcmanus at cox.net (spmcmanus at cox.net) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 21:11:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] NAK 580 Message-ID: <20111101211125.S51WD.22532.imail@eastrmwml45> Thanks for responding! Well since the initial posting I noticed that the cassette well light was intermittent,probably during shipping some thing jarred loose and by your advice I'll try to remove the front cover and check it out. The capstans are quiet so I best leave them alone. Now about the bias setting, I guess what I'm asking for is since they are adjusted individually with a screwdriver can, you tell me approximately what the setting would be for Maxell type II tapes? The slot for the adjustment is currently in about the 12 o'clock position. I realize this can be adjusted by ear(user preference) I just thought some one might have had this model and could shed some light on the bias setting. I know I could record some white noise, I find it hard to do it this way though. Finally, if anyone knows of any particulars on the 580 to get the most (best recordings) from this deck I would be most grateful. Again, thankyou in advance for responding... From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Wed Nov 2 17:18:12 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 06:18:12 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] NAK 580 In-Reply-To: <20111101211125.S51WD.22532.imail@eastrmwml45> References: <20111101211125.S51WD.22532.imail@eastrmwml45> Message-ID: I dug up a copy of the user's manual and see that you do need an external signal generator to adjust the bias since there is no built-in 15k test tone. There is no exact postion that the bias pots should be in -- they may vary slightly in each machine due to electronic component variances as well as tape variances. I would suggest that you use your PC as the signal generator if you have a sound card. There are free shareware programs on the internet. I've been using some freeware level meters to help in adjusting my Naks. If I recall correctly there are also several freeware signal generator programs -- search for "freeware signal generator" and download a few different ones to play with. Just install the programs and connect your PC sound card output to the input of the 580. You will need a cable that has a stereo mini connector on one end (for the PC output) and dual RCA's on the other end (for the Nak input). We often forget what useful things we can do with our PC's. Perry was the one who turned me on to the idea of using a PC rather than looking for expensive equipment that will rarely get used by someone who occasionally tinkers. Have fun, Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of spmcmanus at cox.net Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 3:11 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] NAK 580 Thanks for responding! Well since the initial posting I noticed that the cassette well light was intermittent,probably during shipping some thing jarred loose and by your advice I'll try to remove the front cover and check it out. The capstans are quiet so I best leave them alone. Now about the bias setting, I guess what I'm asking for is since they are adjusted individually with a screwdriver can, you tell me approximately what the setting would be for Maxell type II tapes? The slot for the adjustment is currently in about the 12 o'clock position. I realize this can be adjusted by ear(user preference) I just thought some one might have had this model and could shed some light on the bias setting. I know I could record some white noise, I find it hard to do it this way though. Finally, if anyone knows of any particulars on the 580 to get the most (best recordings) from this deck I would be most grateful. Again, thankyou in advance for responding... ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From adrian at mechner.net Wed Nov 2 17:50:23 2011 From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 09:50:23 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] NAK 580 In-Reply-To: References: <20111101211125.S51WD.22532.imail@eastrmwml45> Message-ID: <001501cc997f$844ee100$8ceca300$@net> Make it like I did: Burn a disc with that signal and use your CD. Adrian -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Kaupp Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 9:18 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAK 580 I dug up a copy of the user's manual and see that you do need an external signal generator to adjust the bias since there is no built-in 15k test tone. There is no exact postion that the bias pots should be in -- they may vary slightly in each machine due to electronic component variances as well as tape variances. I would suggest that you use your PC as the signal generator if you have a sound card. There are free shareware programs on the internet. I've been using some freeware level meters to help in adjusting my Naks. If I recall correctly there are also several freeware signal generator programs -- search for "freeware signal generator" and download a few different ones to play with. Just install the programs and connect your PC sound card output to the input of the 580. You will need a cable that has a stereo mini connector on one end (for the PC output) and dual RCA's on the other end (for the Nak input). We often forget what useful things we can do with our PC's. Perry was the one who turned me on to the idea of using a PC rather than looking for expensive equipment that will rarely get used by someone who occasionally tinkers. Have fun, Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of spmcmanus at cox.net Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 3:11 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] NAK 580 Thanks for responding! Well since the initial posting I noticed that the cassette well light was intermittent,probably during shipping some thing jarred loose and by your advice I'll try to remove the front cover and check it out. The capstans are quiet so I best leave them alone. Now about the bias setting, I guess what I'm asking for is since they are adjusted individually with a screwdriver can, you tell me approximately what the setting would be for Maxell type II tapes? The slot for the adjustment is currently in about the 12 o'clock position. I realize this can be adjusted by ear(user preference) I just thought some one might have had this model and could shed some light on the bias setting. I know I could record some white noise, I find it hard to do it this way though. Finally, if anyone knows of any particulars on the 580 to get the most (best recordings) from this deck I would be most grateful. Again, thankyou in advance for responding... ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From spmcmanus at cox.net Thu Nov 3 01:44:43 2011 From: spmcmanus at cox.net (spmcmanus at cox.net) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 20:44:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] NAK 580 Message-ID: <20111102204443.6W939.36211.imail@eastrmwml33> Now we're talk'in,I'll see about downloading a tone from one of those sites! This could be awesome ! Thanks very much... From g.p.lyskin at paradise.net.nz Fri Nov 4 05:31:02 2011 From: g.p.lyskin at paradise.net.nz (Gennady Lyskin) Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2011 17:31:02 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] Test Tapes proper usage Message-ID: <626B0377D88642A1BD1AB6CE07835BC4@emachinef0bb72> Hello felllow Nak-Lovers, Please let me remind you the Alignment Tapes proper handling rules. A Test Tape is a consumable item. It does not last forever, but you can get 100% of its lifetime using it properly. Generally speaking, you should treat the Alignment Tapes as GOLD :)) One Test Tone is recorded on each tape at the Level corresponding to the Equalization curve. The reasons why test tones have to be recorded on separate tapes are: Firstly, - to speed up adjustment process. It is faster to change a cassette than to rewind it to find required portion on the tape, and, secondary, what is more important, - to safe tape. Lifetime of tape depends on number of playbacks and rewinds. Physical pressure from capstan-pinch roller pair and tape guides demagnetises tape. With the single tone recorded on each tape, every time you put the cassette in the deck, you CONTINUE using the tape from that point you stopped tape playback last time. When you reach the end of the test signal, rewind the tape (entire cassette at once) and mark it "1 full pass", and so on up to 50 full passes, what is normal lifetime of any Alignment Tape. After 50 passes, accuracy of the recorded signal level of the Level and Frequency Response tapes is out of specs, and the tape is not usable anymore for fine adjustments. The Speed tapes are stretched (especially by double-capstan mechanisms), and they give readings lower than actual speed. Speed of decks adjusted using such "tired" test tapes is higher than nominal. The Stretched Azimuth tapes give unstable and uncertain readings. Each Tape is a Full-track tape, but it should be played back in one direction. Use the labelled side of the cassette only. Change the side of the cassette for DRAGON's Reverse PB adjustments. Multiple rewinds from one tone to the other tone recorded on the same tape of cheap cassettes found on the market decrease lifetime of those tapes dramatically. Please note, my tapes recorded on new TDK, TEAC or AMPEX 682 or 472 professional US-made tape. TDK SA C60s and C90s are currently out of stock (due to your orders, thanks for that!). I still have TDK B60s and D60s. Each Tape is a Master tape (not a copy). Thank you for your time, and, again, for your orders! Cheers, Gennady From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com Fri Nov 4 09:03:28 2011 From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 09:03:28 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Test Tapes proper usage In-Reply-To: <626B0377D88642A1BD1AB6CE07835BC4@emachinef0bb72> References: <626B0377D88642A1BD1AB6CE07835BC4@emachinef0bb72> Message-ID: <72CADF18-AAB2-458A-A9F0-8CD9F2764FBE@gmail.com> Hi,Gennady, If that would all be like that, you must have had new original Nakamichi Test tapes to make a clone. I have 8 original Naka tapes in use. Yes ! If the get use a lot on not de magnetized capstans the would lose a little on high kHZLevel. to notes, just on the high frequencies tapes like 15kHz or more. But the lose this level on both cannels and there for you still can use them very good to align head azimuth. Old test tapes sometimes the have little taps or errors for 1 or two seconds, but the are much longer and you will find the best way to align to the full tape. Naka did use the thick tape material like 46minute ( 60 min ) TDK tape. TDK did make the Test-tapes, I did ask Nakamichi Repair in Japan. I have a 3kHZ Nakamichi Speed TEST LP to test turntables. If I use this and compare it to the DRAGON or REVOX Quartz synchronized transport with the old original speed tapes. All Naka tapes are still the same Speed ! There are not not stretched at all. That would need years on every day use. Even some old SONY Speed Test tapes are still working perfect. I offer you to send you 5 or 7 NOS TDK- SA 60 from Japan 1982. Please record your 15kH and your 20kHz, on two tapes, I would like to compare them to the original tapes. You can keep the rest of the tapes and sell them with test-tones. Kind regards Gerhard Am 04.11.2011 um 05:31 schrieb Gennady Lyskin: > Hello felllow Nak-Lovers, > > Please let me remind you the Alignment Tapes proper handling rules. > > A Test Tape is a consumable item. > > It does not last forever, but you can get 100% of its lifetime > using it properly. > > Generally speaking, you should treat the Alignment Tapes as GOLD :)) > > One Test Tone is recorded on each tape at the Level corresponding > to the Equalization curve. > The reasons why test tones have to be recorded on separate tapes are: > > Firstly, - to speed up adjustment process. It is faster to change a > cassette than to rewind it > > to find required portion on the tape, > > and, secondary, what is more important, - to safe tape. > > Lifetime of tape depends on number of playbacks and rewinds. > > Physical pressure from capstan-pinch roller pair and tape guides > demagnetises tape. > > With the single tone recorded on each tape, every time you put the > cassette in the deck, > > you CONTINUE using the tape from that point you stopped tape > playback last time. > > When you reach the end of the test signal, rewind the tape (entire > cassette at once) and mark it "1 full pass", > > and so on up to 50 full passes, what is normal lifetime of any > Alignment Tape. > > After 50 passes, accuracy of the recorded signal level of the Level > and Frequency Response tapes is out of specs, > > and the tape is not usable anymore for fine adjustments. > > The Speed tapes are stretched (especially by double-capstan > mechanisms), and they give readings lower than actual speed. > > Speed of decks adjusted using such "tired" test tapes is higher > than nominal. > > The Stretched Azimuth tapes give unstable and uncertain readings. > > Each Tape is a Full-track tape, but it should be played back in one > direction. > > Use the labelled side of the cassette only. > > Change the side of the cassette for DRAGON's Reverse PB adjustments. > > > > Multiple rewinds from one tone to the other tone recorded on the > same tape of cheap cassettes found on the market > > decrease lifetime of those tapes dramatically. > > > > Please note, my tapes recorded on new TDK, TEAC or AMPEX 682 or 472 > professional US-made tape. > > > > TDK SA C60s and C90s are currently out of stock (due to your > orders, thanks for that!). > > I still have TDK B60s and D60s. > > > > Each Tape is a Master tape (not a copy). > > > > Thank you for your time, and, again, for your orders! > > > > Cheers, > > > > Gennady > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From g.p.lyskin at paradise.net.nz Fri Nov 4 12:05:09 2011 From: g.p.lyskin at paradise.net.nz (Gennady Lyskin) Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2011 00:05:09 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] Test Tapes proper usage References: <626B0377D88642A1BD1AB6CE07835BC4@emachinef0bb72> <72CADF18-AAB2-458A-A9F0-8CD9F2764FBE@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4446DF1804914BD080AED83677486C99@emachinef0bb72> Hi, Gerhard, Thanks for your offer. NOS stands for New Old Stock, but I do not use old tapes. FYI, aging of crystal resonators (Quartz) used in PLL is about 0.03 % over 1 year. The PLL Ref oscillators should be calibrated every year. My OTARI decks needed from 0.12 % to 0.31 % PLL Oscillator frequency correction to maintain nominated speed. Cheers, Gennady ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerhard Wartha" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Test Tapes proper usage > Hi,Gennady, > > If that would all be like that, you must have had new original Nakamichi > Test tapes to make a clone. > > I have 8 original Naka tapes in use. > > Yes ! If the get use a lot on not de magnetized capstans the would lose > a little on high kHZLevel. > to notes, just on the high frequencies tapes like 15kHz or more. > > But the lose this level on both cannels and there for you still can use > them very good to align head azimuth. > > Old test tapes sometimes the have little taps or errors for 1 or two > seconds, but the are much longer and you will find > > the best way to align to the full tape. > > Naka did use the thick tape material like 46minute ( 60 min ) TDK tape. > TDK did make the Test-tapes, I did ask Nakamichi Repair > in Japan. > > I have a 3kHZ Nakamichi Speed TEST LP to test turntables. > > If I use this and compare it to the DRAGON or REVOX Quartz synchronized > transport with the old original speed tapes. > > All Naka tapes are still the same Speed ! There are not not stretched at > all. That would need years on every day use. > > Even some old SONY Speed Test tapes are still working perfect. > > I offer you to send you 5 or 7 NOS TDK- SA 60 from Japan 1982. > > Please record your 15kH and your 20kHz, on two tapes, > I would like to compare them to the original tapes. > > You can keep the rest of the tapes and sell them with test-tones. > > Kind regards > > Gerhard > > > > > Am 04.11.2011 um 05:31 schrieb Gennady Lyskin: > >> Hello felllow Nak-Lovers, >> >> Please let me remind you the Alignment Tapes proper handling rules. >> >> A Test Tape is a consumable item. >> >> It does not last forever, but you can get 100% of its lifetime using it >> properly. >> >> Generally speaking, you should treat the Alignment Tapes as GOLD :)) >> >> One Test Tone is recorded on each tape at the Level corresponding to the >> Equalization curve. >> The reasons why test tones have to be recorded on separate tapes are: >> >> Firstly, - to speed up adjustment process. It is faster to change a >> cassette than to rewind it >> >> to find required portion on the tape, >> >> and, secondary, what is more important, - to safe tape. >> >> Lifetime of tape depends on number of playbacks and rewinds. >> >> Physical pressure from capstan-pinch roller pair and tape guides >> demagnetises tape. >> >> With the single tone recorded on each tape, every time you put the >> cassette in the deck, >> >> you CONTINUE using the tape from that point you stopped tape playback >> last time. >> >> When you reach the end of the test signal, rewind the tape (entire >> cassette at once) and mark it "1 full pass", >> >> and so on up to 50 full passes, what is normal lifetime of any Alignment >> Tape. >> >> After 50 passes, accuracy of the recorded signal level of the Level and >> Frequency Response tapes is out of specs, >> >> and the tape is not usable anymore for fine adjustments. >> >> The Speed tapes are stretched (especially by double-capstan mechanisms), >> and they give readings lower than actual speed. >> >> Speed of decks adjusted using such "tired" test tapes is higher than >> nominal. >> >> The Stretched Azimuth tapes give unstable and uncertain readings. >> >> Each Tape is a Full-track tape, but it should be played back in one >> direction. >> >> Use the labelled side of the cassette only. >> >> Change the side of the cassette for DRAGON's Reverse PB adjustments. >> >> >> >> Multiple rewinds from one tone to the other tone recorded on the same >> tape of cheap cassettes found on the market >> >> decrease lifetime of those tapes dramatically. >> >> >> >> Please note, my tapes recorded on new TDK, TEAC or AMPEX 682 or 472 >> professional US-made tape. >> >> >> >> TDK SA C60s and C90s are currently out of stock (due to your orders, >> thanks for that!). >> >> I still have TDK B60s and D60s. >> >> >> >> Each Tape is a Master tape (not a copy). >> >> >> >> Thank you for your time, and, again, for your orders! >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> >> Gennady >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From andrey.butuzov at gmail.com Fri Nov 4 13:24:37 2011 From: andrey.butuzov at gmail.com (Andrey Butuzov) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 16:24:37 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Test Tapes proper usage Message-ID: <4eb3d98b.042d0e0a.0ad5.36ab@mx.google.com> Hi, Gerhard! Do you have 5 Hz RAMM Speed ​​Check Tape DA09061A? Its specs very important for Gennady to make clone! Best regards, Andrey. >Hi,Gennady, >If that would all be like that, you must have had new original >Nakamichi Test tapes to make a clone. >I have 8 original Naka tapes in use. >Kind regards >Gerhard -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joyell.solie at sasktel.net Sun Nov 6 04:17:39 2011 From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell) Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 21:17:39 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] tilt guage Message-ID: <001d01cc9c32$a6ebf080$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> I was wondering if anyone can tell me if the original nakamichi head tilt gauge measures across the head width or just within tape travel width? Cheers, Rainer S. ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. 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URL: From Alex at rubli.net Tue Nov 8 15:44:09 2011 From: Alex at rubli.net (Alex Rubli) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 08:44:09 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 420 amplifier In-Reply-To: <201111081110.pA8B8N5K028702@zxe.naks.com> References: <201111081110.pA8B8N5K028702@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <3438A74E-A07E-4E23-8869-5E4846D7C6ED@rubli.net> Dear fellow Does anybody happen to have a schematic of the Nakamichi 420 Amplifier ? thanx ! Alexander From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue Nov 8 18:35:49 2011 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 18:35:49 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 420 amplifier In-Reply-To: <3438A74E-A07E-4E23-8869-5E4846D7C6ED@rubli.net> References: <201111081110.pA8B8N5K028702@zxe.naks.com> <3438A74E-A07E-4E23-8869-5E4846D7C6ED@rubli.net> Message-ID: <391db99210735d2c73b1397b8e04fb35.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Done! Thanks to Willy we now have this service manual! Here's the link: http://download.naks.com/manuals/service/420_ServiceManual.pdf Enjoy, Wouter >I just scanned my copy for Naks.com - Wouter - can you add this to the >documents page please? > >Willy > >> Dear fellow >> >> Does anybody happen to have a schematic of the Nakamichi 420 Amplifier ? >> >> thanx ! >> >> Alexander From davidt124 at internode.on.net Thu Nov 10 00:03:54 2011 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 09:03:54 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 105, Issue 8 In-Reply-To: <201111081110.pA8B8N5K028702@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Curious. Is there no wisdom on this one? On 8/11/11 9:10 PM, "naktalk-request at naks.com" wrote: >Message: 1 >Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 21:43:43 +1000 >From: David Thompson >Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 vs auto calibration >To: Naktalk >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >I have been comparing calibration on a ZX-9 and two decks with auto >calibration. >All three will calibrate good TDK SA and MA tapes but while the ZX-9 will >calibrate several TDK AD tapes but the other decks cannot auto calibrate >them ­ >they both show low level on the right channel. > >Can anyone suggest why this is so? > >David From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 10 00:56:21 2011 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 15:56:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 105, Issue 8 In-Reply-To: References: <201111081110.pA8B8N5K028702@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <1320882981.17543.YahooMailNeo@web112708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Ok Ill take a shot at this one.  There is a possibility that your auto calibrating decks are out of specs on the normal bias circuitry?? Or try changing the tape and/or the batch of the ADs. Finally, are your autocal decks Naks?? Ram. ________________________________ From: David Thompson To: Naktalk Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 6:03 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 105, Issue 8 Curious. Is there no wisdom on this one? On 8/11/11 9:10 PM, "naktalk-request at naks.com" wrote: >Message: 1 >Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 21:43:43 +1000 >From: David Thompson >Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 vs auto calibration >To: Naktalk >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >I have been comparing calibration on a ZX-9 and two decks with auto >calibration. >All three will calibrate good TDK SA and MA tapes but while the ZX-9 will >calibrate several TDK AD tapes but the other decks cannot auto calibrate >them ­ >they both show low level on the right channel. > >Can anyone suggest why this is so? > >David ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Is there no wisdom on this one? > > On 8/11/11 9:10 PM, "naktalk-request at naks.com" > wrote: > > >Message: 1 > >Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 21:43:43 +1000 > >From: David Thompson > >Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 vs auto calibration > >To: Naktalk > >Message-ID: > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > >I have been comparing calibration on a ZX-9 and two decks with auto > >calibration. > >All three will calibrate good TDK SA and MA tapes but while the ZX-9 will > >calibrate several TDK AD tapes but the other decks cannot auto calibrate > >them ­ > >they both show low level on the right channel. > > > >Can anyone suggest why this is so? > > > >David > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have types 2 and 3 calibrating well on the 682ZX and sounding great so I will stick with them. I have just sold the other deck - a 700ZXE. David > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 15:56:21 -0800 (PST) >From: shanti ramachandran >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 105, Issue 8 >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Message-ID: > <1320882981.17543.YahooMailNeo at web112708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >Ok Ill take a shot at this one. > >There is a possibility that your auto calibrating decks are out of specs >on the normal bias circuitry?? Or try changing the tape and/or the batch >of the ADs. >Finally, are your autocal decks Naks?? > >Ram. > > > > >________________________________ >From: David Thompson >To: Naktalk >Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 6:03 PM >Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 105, Issue 8 > >Curious. Is there no wisdom on this one? > >On 8/11/11 9:10 PM, "naktalk-request at naks.com" >wrote: > >>Message: 1 >>Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 21:43:43 +1000 >>From: David Thompson >>Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 vs auto calibration >>To: Naktalk >>Message-ID: >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >>I have been comparing calibration on a ZX-9 and two decks with auto >>calibration. >>All three will calibrate good TDK SA and MA tapes but while the ZX-9 will >>calibrate several TDK AD tapes but the other decks cannot auto calibrate >>them ­ >>they both show low level on the right channel. >> >>Can anyone suggest why this is so? >> >>David > > > >Message: 3 >Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 16:48:04 -0800 >From: Willy Hermann >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 105, Issue 8 >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Message-ID: > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >Wisdom? Not too sure about that. The ZX-9 has a greater adjustment range >than the auto adjust decks but two other things are possible: 1. the TDK >AD >tape is bad - I've had a couple of those bad out of new box with one edge >low in output and funky. 2. The auto adjust decks aren't calibrated >properly. I''ve especially seen lots of CR-7A's which have been badly >mis-calibrated since it calibrates differently than any other deck. > >Willy > > From spacepup at hotmail.com Sun Nov 13 07:08:02 2011 From: spacepup at hotmail.com (Sean Reid) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 01:08:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak decks for sale In-Reply-To: <6C6633EA-6B76-4515-BFE9-FD5976C4C32B@orange.fr> References: <6C6633EA-6B76-4515-BFE9-FD5976C4C32B@orange.fr> Message-ID: Hi everyone, I have 3 Nakamichi decks available for sale, as follows: Nakamichi DragonNakamichi LX-5Nakamichi RX-505 all are in perfect working condition (2 recently repaired, one repaired approx. 2 years ago, with little use since)cosmetically, they are all in wonderful shape as well (between about an 8.5 to 10 out of 10 condition).they all come with some kind of bonus (remote controls, product boxes, service/user manuals) I can provide pics/videos of any of these units on request. Please contact me for details. 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Thank for your help. >  >Regards. >  >Ural Durusu >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alpha at iinet.net.au Mon Nov 14 16:53:42 2011 From: alpha at iinet.net.au (Nigel Day) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 23:53:42 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nak decks for sale In-Reply-To: References: <6C6633EA-6B76-4515-BFE9-FD5976C4C32B@orange.fr> Message-ID: Hi Sean How much are you asking for the Dragon? Regards Nigel -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Sean Reid Sent: Sunday, 13 November 2011 2:08 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak decks for sale Hi everyone, I have 3 Nakamichi decks available for sale, as follows: Nakamichi Dragon Nakamichi LX-5 Nakamichi RX-505 all are in perfect working condition (2 recently repaired, one repaired approx. 2 years ago, with little use since) cosmetically, they are all in wonderful shape as well (between about an 8.5 to 10 out of 10 condition). they all come with some kind of bonus (remote controls, product boxes, service/user manuals) I can provide pics/videos of any of these units on request. Please contact me for details. Thanks in advance, Sean From upshaw937 at msn.com Mon Nov 14 21:06:32 2011 From: upshaw937 at msn.com (FRANCIS UPSHAW) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 20:06:32 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak decks for sale In-Reply-To: References: <6C6633EA-6B76-4515-BFE9-FD5976C4C32B@orange.fr>, Message-ID: hi ya sean, how much are u asking forthe rx505 From: spacepup at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak decks for sale Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 01:08:02 -0500 Hi everyone, I have 3 Nakamichi decks available for sale, as follows: Nakamichi DragonNakamichi LX-5Nakamichi RX-505 all are in perfect working condition (2 recently repaired, one repaired approx. 2 years ago, with little use since)cosmetically, they are all in wonderful shape as well (between about an 8.5 to 10 out of 10 condition).they all come with some kind of bonus (remote controls, product boxes, service/user manuals) I can provide pics/videos of any of these units on request. Please contact me for details. 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URL: From spacepup at hotmail.com Wed Nov 16 23:14:45 2011 From: spacepup at hotmail.com (Sean Reid) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 17:14:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak decks for sale In-Reply-To: References: <6C6633EA-6B76-4515-BFE9-FD5976C4C32B@orange.fr>, , , Message-ID: i'm asking $550, comes with wired remote and copies of service/user manual... will have pics this evening thanks,Sean From: upshaw937 at msn.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak decks for sale Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 20:06:32 +0000 hi ya sean, how much are u asking forthe rx505 From: spacepup at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak decks for sale Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 01:08:02 -0500 Hi everyone, I have 3 Nakamichi decks available for sale, as follows: Nakamichi DragonNakamichi LX-5Nakamichi RX-505 all are in perfect working condition (2 recently repaired, one repaired approx. 2 years ago, with little use since)cosmetically, they are all in wonderful shape as well (between about an 8.5 to 10 out of 10 condition).they all come with some kind of bonus (remote controls, product boxes, service/user manuals) I can provide pics/videos of any of these units on request. 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URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Thu Nov 17 17:44:57 2011 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 08:44:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk]Re: Nak decks for sale In-Reply-To: <201111171117.pAHB8CJB002105@zxe.naks.com> References: <201111171117.pAHB8CJB002105@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <1321548297.43660.YahooMailNeo@web120702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Decent price if it's 100%, calibrated and doesn't need any service. Not so good if the deck has to be sent to Willy, or ESL etc. I guess it also depends on how badly you want a RX-505.;-) Kevin ________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 17:14:45 -0500 From: Sean Reid Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak decks for sale To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" i'm asking $550, comes with wired remote and copies of service/user manual... will have pics this evening thanks,Sean From: upshaw937 at msn.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak decks for sale Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 20:06:32 +0000 hi ya sean, how much are u asking forthe rx505 From: spacepup at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak decks for sale Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 01:08:02 -0500 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lucidsound at ic24.net Thu Nov 17 20:39:01 2011 From: lucidsound at ic24.net (Lucidsounds) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 19:39:01 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Not Recording Message-ID: <959F9EC4914C4D848BDEE130CEA2B283@Magdallen> I picked up a very nice condition ZX-7. Playback sounds excellent, but there is a problem on Record, in that all I get on the tape is a rustling noise. I can just get a calibration signal to record - just - if I turn the front-panel bias and level controls fully CW. Is this likely to be an 'orange cap' issue or is there a logic switch somewhere that is worth checking out? Many thanks in advance, Keith. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adrian at mechner.net Thu Nov 17 22:20:42 2011 From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 13:20:42 -0800 Subject: [naktalk]Re: Nak decks for sale In-Reply-To: <1321548297.43660.YahooMailNeo@web120702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <201111171117.pAHB8CJB002105@zxe.naks.com> <1321548297.43660.YahooMailNeo@web120702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001d01cca56e$c3b0ef00$4b12cd00$@net> Is anyone interested in GENUINE factory sealed TDK SA the original ones from 1991? Super Avilyn!!! These are the ones that we all loved and basically are gone now. Tape made in Japan Assembled in USA "Super Precision Anti-Resonance Cassette Mechanism" @1991 TDK Corporation TDK ELECTRONICS CORP. 12 Harbor Park Drive, Port Washington, N.Y. 11050 USA From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Fetner Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 8:45 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk]Re: Nak decks for sale Decent price if it's 100%, calibrated and doesn't need any service. Not so good if the deck has to be sent to Willy, or ESL etc. I guess it also depends on how badly you want a RX-505.;-) Kevin _____ Message: 1 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 17:14:45 -0500 From: Sean Reid Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak decks for sale To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" i'm asking $550, comes with wired remote and copies of service/user manual... will have pics this evening thanks,Sean From: upshaw937 at msn.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak decks for sale Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 20:06:32 +0000 hi ya sean, how much are u asking forthe rx505 From: spacepup at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak decks for sale Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 01:08:02 -0500 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Thu Nov 17 23:04:04 2011 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 14:04:04 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Not Recording In-Reply-To: <959F9EC4914C4D848BDEE130CEA2B283@Magdallen> References: <959F9EC4914C4D848BDEE130CEA2B283@Magdallen> Message-ID: Try replacing C306/C307 in the bias oscillator circuit. That's the usual cause. Willy On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Lucidsounds wrote: > ** > I picked up a very nice condition ZX-7. Playback sounds excellent, but > there is a problem on Record, in that all I get on the tape is a rustling > noise. I can just get a calibration signal to record - just - if I turn > the front-panel bias and level controls fully CW. > > Is this likely to be an 'orange cap' issue or is there a logic switch > somewhere that is worth checking out? > > Many thanks in advance, > > Keith. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From emberphoto at hotmail.com Thu Nov 17 23:17:44 2011 From: emberphoto at hotmail.com (Steve Ember) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 17:17:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk]Re: Nak decks for sale In-Reply-To: <001d01cca56e$c3b0ef00$4b12cd00$@net> References: <201111171117.pAHB8CJB002105@zxe.naks.com>, <1321548297.43660.YahooMailNeo@web120702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>, <001d01cca56e$c3b0ef00$4b12cd00$@net> Message-ID: Yes! Have you any to sell? Are they C-90s? From: adrian at mechner.net To: shoeihell at yahoo.com; naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk]Re: Nak decks for sale Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 13:20:42 -0800 CC: Is anyone interested in GENUINE factory sealed TDK SA the original ones from 1991?Super Avilyn!!!These are the ones that we all loved and basically are gone now…Tape made in Japan Assembled in USA“Super Precision Anti-Resonance Cassette Mechanism”@1991 TDK CorporationTDK ELECTRONICS CORP.12 Harbor Park Drive, Port Washington,N.Y. 11050 USA From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Fetner Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 8:45 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk]Re: Nak decks for sale Decent price if it's 100%, calibrated and doesn't need any service. Not so good if the deck has to be sent to Willy, or ESL etc. I guess it also depends on how badly you want a RX-505.;-) Kevin Message: 1 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 17:14:45 -0500 From: Sean Reid Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak decks for sale To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" i'm asking $550, comes with wired remote and copies of service/user manual... will have pics this evening thanks,Sean From: upshaw937 at msn.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak decks for sale Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 20:06:32 +0000 hi ya sean, how much are u asking forthe rx505 From: spacepup at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak decks for sale Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 01:08:02 -0500 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bagua_dao at yahoo.com Fri Nov 18 07:48:19 2011 From: bagua_dao at yahoo.com (ying yang) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 22:48:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Service Manual : Is it easily useful for a technician ? Message-ID: <1321598899.9225.YahooMailNeo@web122512.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I want to change the belt in my ZX680 and tire and belt in the RX505 I am wondering if it is easily readable and user friendly for a technician to make use of them to fix the above. I am thinking of getting them to assist a techincian to fix them. Is it true to say that even if a Service Manual the ordinary man in the street will not be able to get around to fix those 2 issues ? Thank you all . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hiero at telfort.nl Fri Nov 18 13:32:30 2011 From: hiero at telfort.nl (wv) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 13:32:30 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 700ZXL in Europe Message-ID: <932BBBD0-6ADD-4FB6-80B0-E7445B0F9E6C@telfort.nl> Hi, on the Dutch site Marktplaats a 700ZXL incl Dolby-C NR-100 is for sale. Link: http://link.marktplaats.nl/502912455 Translation by Google: 700ZXL incl vintage Nakamichi Dolby C NR-100, probably the best deck ever built. Washes and plays fine. Strings still for sale. Incl. manual, Nakamichi book about the background and basic concepts and the original folder. Mail me for more info. Bids will be deleted nonsense -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fred at marrscom.com Fri Nov 18 14:00:50 2011 From: fred at marrscom.com (Fred Marrs) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 07:00:50 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] MARRS COMMUNICATIONS - SEND ORDERS ! Message-ID: <4EC65702.4020200@marrscom.com> *NEW WEBSITE : http:www.marrscommunications.com SEND ORDERS !! I NEED TRAFFIC ! * From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 18 17:04:17 2011 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 08:04:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Service Manual : Is it easily useful for a technician ? In-Reply-To: <1321598899.9225.YahooMailNeo@web122512.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1321598899.9225.YahooMailNeo@web122512.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1321632257.69776.YahooMailNeo@web112712.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> The belt on the two decks can be done by the ordinary man on the street( like me) The idler tire on the other hand requires expertise in nap classic transports and is difficult even with access to a service manual as it entails disassembly of part of it to get to the idler tire. Doable for some, but not for a guy like me. Ram. ________________________________ From: ying yang To: "naktalk at naks.com" Cc: "mailman at naks.com" Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 1:48 AM Subject: [naktalk] Service Manual : Is it easily useful for a technician ? I want to change the belt in my ZX680 and tire and belt in the RX505 I am wondering if it is easily readable and user friendly for a technician to make use of them to fix the above. I am thinking of getting them to assist a techincian to fix them. Is it true to say that even if a Service Manual the ordinary man in the street will not be able to get around to fix those 2 issues ? Thank you all . ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adrian at mechner.net Fri Nov 18 17:52:19 2011 From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 08:52:19 -0800 Subject: [naktalk]Re: Nak decks for sale In-Reply-To: References: <201111171117.pAHB8CJB002105@zxe.naks.com>, <1321548297.43660.YahooMailNeo@web120702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>, <001d01cca56e$c3b0ef00$4b12cd00$@net> Message-ID: <002701cca612$6fde6610$4f9b3230$@net> I have only C60. I can email a few photos if you want. This are probably the last ones ever to find and I would/might let them go for $10 +shipping I got the entire inventory from the one who kept them. For now I have 11 (out of 12 because I had to do tests on one of them to make sure it's A+++ and it is) And 24 (the last ones) are on their way. I only wanted to know if in this community there would be any demand before posting on epay. So, please let me know if you want any and thanks for reading, Adrian From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Steve Ember Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 2:18 PM To: Nakamichi Talk Subject: RE: [naktalk]Re: Nak decks for sale Yes! Have you any to sell? Are they C-90s? _____ From: adrian at mechner.net To: shoeihell at yahoo.com; naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk]Re: Nak decks for sale Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 13:20:42 -0800 CC: Is anyone interested in GENUINE factory sealed TDK SA the original ones from 1991? Super Avilyn!!! These are the ones that we all loved and basically are gone now. Tape made in Japan Assembled in USA "Super Precision Anti-Resonance Cassette Mechanism" @1991 TDK Corporation TDK ELECTRONICS CORP. 12 Harbor Park Drive, Port Washington, N.Y. 11050 USA From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Fetner Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 8:45 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk]Re: Nak decks for sale Decent price if it's 100%, calibrated and doesn't need any service. Not so good if the deck has to be sent to Willy, or ESL etc. I guess it also depends on how badly you want a RX-505.;-) Kevin _____ Message: 1 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 17:14:45 -0500 From: Sean Reid Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak decks for sale To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" i'm asking $550, comes with wired remote and copies of service/user manual... will have pics this evening thanks,Sean From: upshaw937 at msn.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak decks for sale Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 20:06:32 +0000 hi ya sean, how much are u asking forthe rx505 From: spacepup at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak decks for sale Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 01:08:02 -0500 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Fri Nov 18 18:15:24 2011 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 09:15:24 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Service Manual : Is it easily useful for a technician ? In-Reply-To: <1321598899.9225.YahooMailNeo@web122512.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1321598899.9225.YahooMailNeo@web122512.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I think you will find the capstan belt is fairly easy to replace but the idler tire requires splitting the transport which is not easy for an experienced technician and well beyond the capabilities of most (with the exception of Cheryl in Hawaii). The service manual does not give you a step-by-step instruction for any of it. Best of luck Willy On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 10:48 PM, ying yang wrote: > I want to change the belt in my ZX680 and tire and belt in the RX505 > > I am wondering if it is easily readable and user friendly for a technician > to make use of them to fix the above. > I am thinking of getting them to assist a techincian to fix them. > > Is it true to say that even if a Service Manual the ordinary man in the > street will not be able to get around to fix those 2 issues ? > > Thank you all . > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adrian at mechner.net Fri Nov 18 18:47:47 2011 From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 09:47:47 -0800 Subject: [naktalk]Re: Nak decks for sale In-Reply-To: <002701cca612$6fde6610$4f9b3230$@net> References: <201111171117.pAHB8CJB002105@zxe.naks.com>, <1321548297.43660.YahooMailNeo@web120702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>, <001d01cca56e$c3b0ef00$4b12cd00$@net> <002701cca612$6fde6610$4f9b3230$@net> Message-ID: <000301cca61a$2fc03d30$8f40b790$@net> Here is a link to photos regarding the TDK SA60: http://s1190.photobucket.com/albums/z446/20021001/TDK%20SA60/ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Mechner Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 8:52 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk]Re: Nak decks for sale I have only C60. I can email a few photos if you want. This are probably the last ones ever to find and I would/might let them go for $10 +shipping I got the entire inventory from the one who kept them. For now I have 11 (out of 12 because I had to do tests on one of them to make sure it's A+++ and it is) And 24 (the last ones) are on their way. I only wanted to know if in this community there would be any demand before posting on epay. So, please let me know if you want any and thanks for reading, Adrian From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Steve Ember Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 2:18 PM To: Nakamichi Talk Subject: RE: [naktalk]Re: Nak decks for sale Yes! Have you any to sell? Are they C-90s? _____ From: adrian at mechner.net To: shoeihell at yahoo.com; naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk]Re: Nak decks for sale Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 13:20:42 -0800 CC: Is anyone interested in GENUINE factory sealed TDK SA the original ones from 1991? Super Avilyn!!! These are the ones that we all loved and basically are gone now. Tape made in Japan Assembled in USA "Super Precision Anti-Resonance Cassette Mechanism" @1991 TDK Corporation TDK ELECTRONICS CORP. 12 Harbor Park Drive, Port Washington, N.Y. 11050 USA From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Fetner Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 8:45 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk]Re: Nak decks for sale Decent price if it's 100%, calibrated and doesn't need any service. Not so good if the deck has to be sent to Willy, or ESL etc. I guess it also depends on how badly you want a RX-505.;-) Kevin _____ Message: 1 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 17:14:45 -0500 From: Sean Reid Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak decks for sale To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" i'm asking $550, comes with wired remote and copies of service/user manual... will have pics this evening thanks,Sean From: upshaw937 at msn.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak decks for sale Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 20:06:32 +0000 hi ya sean, how much are u asking forthe rx505 From: spacepup at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak decks for sale Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 01:08:02 -0500 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 18 20:40:49 2011 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 11:40:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk]Re: Nak decks for sale In-Reply-To: <000301cca61a$2fc03d30$8f40b790$@net> References: <201111171117.pAHB8CJB002105@zxe.naks.com>, <1321548297.43660.YahooMailNeo@web120702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>, <001d01cca56e$c3b0ef00$4b12cd00$@net> <002701cca612$6fde6610$4f9b3230$@net> <000301cca61a$2fc03d30$8f40b790$@net> Message-ID: <1321645249.30349.YahooMailNeo@web112712.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Adrian, Good tapes these that you have for sale. Best SAs? Not by a long shot. That accolade goes to the TDK SAs' made between 1979 and 1985, the best being the 1979 and the 1982 version. I base this upon my personal experience with these tapes from 1973 up until now. The 1990s began with compromise in quality and deteriorated from the late 80s quality by a long shot. I have some of the 1982 and 1979 running marathons on my Naks even now with no issues whatsoever.Sounds the way I recorded them almost three decades ago! I also believe that $10 per 1991 SA is a bit too steep! Of course this is just my HO. Thanks and good luck. Ram. ________________________________ From: Adrian Mechner To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 12:47 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk]Re: Nak decks for sale Here is a link to photos regarding the TDK SA60:   http://s1190.photobucket.com/albums/z446/20021001/TDK%20SA60/     From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Mechner Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 8:52 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk]Re: Nak decks for sale   I have only C60. I can email a few photos if you want. This are probably the last ones ever to find and I would/might let them go for $10 +shipping I got the entire inventory from the one who kept them. For now I have 11 (out of 12 because I had to do tests on one of them  to make sure it’s A+++ and it is) And 24  (the last ones) are on their way. I only wanted to know if in this community there would be any demand before posting on epay. So, please let me know if you want any and thanks for reading, Adrian From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Steve Ember Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 2:18 PM To: Nakamichi Talk Subject: RE: [naktalk]Re: Nak decks for sale   Yes! Have you any to sell? Are they C-90s? ________________________________ From: adrian at mechner.net To: shoeihell at yahoo.com; naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk]Re: Nak decks for sale Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 13:20:42 -0800 CC: Is anyone interested in GENUINE factory sealed TDK SA the original ones from 1991? Super Avilyn!!! These are the ones that we all loved and basically are gone now… Tape made in Japan Assembled in USA “Super Precision Anti-Resonance Cassette Mechanism” @1991 TDK Corporation TDK ELECTRONICS CORP. 12 Harbor Park Drive, Port Washington, N.Y. 11050 USA   From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Fetner Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 8:45 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk]Re: Nak decks for sale   Decent price if it's 100%, calibrated and doesn't need any service. Not so good if the deck has to be sent to Willy, or ESL etc. I guess it also depends on how badly you want a RX-505.;-)   Kevin ________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 17:14:45 -0500 From: Sean Reid Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak decks for sale To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" i'm asking $550, comes with wired remote and copies of service/user manual... will have pics this evening thanks,Sean From: upshaw937 at msn.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak decks for sale Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 20:06:32 +0000 hi ya sean, how much are u asking forthe rx505 From: spacepup at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak decks for sale Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 01:08:02 -0500 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Fri Nov 18 21:04:50 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 10:04:50 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] Service Manual : Is it easily useful for a technician ? In-Reply-To: References: <1321598899.9225.YahooMailNeo@web122512.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: *grin* The belts are pretty easy and with a bit of dexterity can be changed without splitting open the transport. Don't know about the other models, but in my 581 and 582 I was able to change all of the belts without removing the transport from the unit. I removed both the case and the bottom panel to get good access. But I have small hands/fingers and can get inside the tight spaces in the transport without splitting it (and plastic crochet hooks :-)). The tire is more difficult just as Willy says. The tire assembly is somewhat fragile and you must be careful not to break the shaft that the tire/wheel assembly pivots on. I chose to cut off the old tire to minimize stress to the assembly (with a very small exacto knife), but putting on the new one requires that you hold the wheel firmly while working the new tire onto the wheel. The tire doesn't stretch a lot which makes it interesting to install. Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Willy Hermann Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 7:15 AM To: ying yang; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Service Manual : Is it easily useful for a technician ? I think you will find the capstan belt is fairly easy to replace but the idler tire requires splitting the transport which is not easy for an experienced technician and well beyond the capabilities of most (with the exception of Cheryl in Hawaii). The service manual does not give you a step-by-step instruction for any of it. Best of luck Willy On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 10:48 PM, ying yang wrote: I want to change the belt in my ZX680 and tire and belt in the RX505 I am wondering if it is easily readable and user friendly for a technician to make use of them to fix the above. I am thinking of getting them to assist a techincian to fix them. Is it true to say that even if a Service Manual the ordinary man in the street will not be able to get around to fix those 2 issues ? Thank you all . ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mrm12000 at cableone.net Fri Nov 18 20:34:40 2011 From: mrm12000 at cableone.net (mrm12000 at cableone.net) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:34:40 -0700 Subject: [naktalk]Re: Nak decks for sale In-Reply-To: <000301cca61a$2fc03d30$8f40b790$@net> References: <201111171117.pAHB8CJB002105@zxe.naks.com> <1321548297.43660.YahooMailNeo@web120702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <001d01cca56e$c3b0ef00$4b12cd00$@net> <002701cca612$6fde6610$4f9b3230$@net> <000301cca61a$2fc03d30$8f40b790$@net> Message-ID: Not to jack your thread, but I have a half dozen of these tapes as C-90s, along with other vintage TDK and Maxell CrO2 and some metal tapes. All are sealed. Respond to me directly with interest, and I can shoot a few pictures. On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Adrian Mechner wrote: > Here is a link to photos regarding the TDK SA60:**** > > ** ** > > http://s1190.photobucket.com/albums/z446/20021001/TDK%20SA60/**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *Adrian Mechner > *Sent:* Friday, November 18, 2011 8:52 AM > *To:* 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > *Subject:* RE: [naktalk]Re: Nak decks for sale**** > > ** ** > > I have only C60.**** > > I can email a few photos if you want.**** > > This are probably the last ones ever to find and I would/might let them go > for $10 +shipping**** > > I got the entire inventory from the one who kept them. For now I have 11 > (out of 12 because I had to do tests on one of them to make sure it’s A+++ > and it is)**** > > And 24 (the last ones) are on their way.**** > > I only wanted to know if in this community there would be any demand > before posting on epay.**** > > So, please let me know if you want any and thanks for reading,**** > > Adrian**** > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] > *On Behalf Of *Steve Ember > *Sent:* Thursday, November 17, 2011 2:18 PM > *To:* Nakamichi Talk > *Subject:* RE: [naktalk]Re: Nak decks for sale**** > > ** ** > > Yes! > Have you any to sell? Are they C-90s?**** > ------------------------------ > > From: adrian at mechner.net > To: shoeihell at yahoo.com; naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk]Re: Nak decks for sale > Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 13:20:42 -0800 > CC: **** > > Is anyone interested in GENUINE factory sealed TDK SA the original ones > from 1991?**** > > Super Avilyn!!!**** > > These are the ones that we all loved and basically are gone now…**** > > Tape made in Japan **** > > Assembled in USA**** > > “Super Precision Anti-Resonance Cassette Mechanism”**** > > @1991 TDK Corporation**** > > TDK ELECTRONICS CORP.**** > > 12 Harbor Park Drive, Port Washington,**** > > N.Y. 11050 USA**** > > **** > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] > *On Behalf Of *Kevin Fetner > *Sent:* Thursday, November 17, 2011 8:45 AM > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Subject:* [naktalk]Re: Nak decks for sale**** > > **** > > Decent price if it's 100%, calibrated and doesn't need any service. Not so > good if the deck has to be sent to Willy, or ESL etc. I guess it also > depends on how badly you want a RX-505.;-) **** > > **** > > Kevin**** > ------------------------------ > > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 17:14:45 -0500 > From: Sean Reid > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak decks for sale > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > i'm asking $550, comes with wired remote and copies of service/user > manual... will have pics this evening > thanks,Sean > > From: upshaw937 at msn.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak decks for sale > Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 20:06:32 +0000 > > hi ya sean, how much are u asking forthe rx505 > > From: spacepup at hotmail.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Nak decks for sale > Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 01:08:02 -0500 > > > > > > > **** > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= > **** > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adrian at mechner.net Fri Nov 18 21:11:27 2011 From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:11:27 -0800 Subject: [naktalk]Re: Nak decks for sale In-Reply-To: <1321645249.30349.YahooMailNeo@web112712.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <201111171117.pAHB8CJB002105@zxe.naks.com>, <1321548297.43660.YahooMailNeo@web120702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>, <001d01cca56e$c3b0ef00$4b12cd00$@net> <002701cca612$6fde6610$4f9b3230$@net> <000301cca61a$2fc03d30$8f40b790$@net> <1321645249.30349.YahooMailNeo@web112712.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000901cca62e$41b4b4d0$c51e1e70$@net> I hope that you are aware of the fact that we talk about a product that is no longer in production. I stated that these tapes are PROBABLY the best you can buy today. The price is subject to the market. Talking of “steep”, check this out: http://www.ebay.com/itm/2001-Hot-Wheels-1st-Nationals-Staff-67-Camaro-GREEN-/150301971624?pt=Diecast_Vehicles &hash=item22feb214a8 And the point of your respond was??? Adrian From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 11:41 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk]Re: Nak decks for sale Hi Adrian, Good tapes these that you have for sale. Best SAs? Not by a long shot. That accolade goes to the TDK SAs' made between 1979 and 1985, the best being the 1979 and the 1982 version. I base this upon my personal experience with these tapes from 1973 up until now. The 1990s began with compromise in quality and deteriorated from the late 80s quality by a long shot. I have some of the 1982 and 1979 running marathons on my Naks even now with no issues whatsoever.Sounds the way I recorded them almost three decades ago! I also believe that $10 per 1991 SA is a bit too steep! Of course this is just my HO. Thanks and good luck. Ram. _____ From: Adrian Mechner To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 12:47 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk]Re: Nak decks for sale Here is a link to photos regarding the TDK SA60: http://s1190.photobucket.com/albums/z446/20021001/TDK%20SA60/ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Mechner Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 8:52 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk]Re: Nak decks for sale I have only C60. I can email a few photos if you want. This are probably the last ones ever to find and I would/might let them go for $10 +shipping I got the entire inventory from the one who kept them. For now I have 11 (out of 12 because I had to do tests on one of them to make sure it’s A+++ and it is) And 24 (the last ones) are on their way. I only wanted to know if in this community there would be any demand before posting on epay. So, please let me know if you want any and thanks for reading, Adrian From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Steve Ember Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 2:18 PM To: Nakamichi Talk Subject: RE: [naktalk]Re: Nak decks for sale Yes! Have you any to sell? Are they C-90s? _____ From: adrian at mechner.net To: shoeihell at yahoo.com; naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk]Re: Nak decks for sale Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 13:20:42 -0800 CC: Is anyone interested in GENUINE factory sealed TDK SA the original ones from 1991? Super Avilyn!!! These are the ones that we all loved and basically are gone now… Tape made in Japan Assembled in USA “Super Precision Anti-Resonance Cassette Mechanism” @1991 TDK Corporation TDK ELECTRONICS CORP. 12 Harbor Park Drive, Port Washington, N.Y. 11050 USA From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Fetner Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 8:45 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk]Re: Nak decks for sale Decent price if it's 100%, calibrated and doesn't need any service. Not so good if the deck has to be sent to Willy, or ESL etc. I guess it also depends on how badly you want a RX-505.;-) Kevin _____ Message: 1 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 17:14:45 -0500 From: Sean Reid Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak decks for sale To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" i'm asking $550, comes with wired remote and copies of service/user manual... will have pics this evening thanks,Sean From: upshaw937 at msn.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak decks for sale Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 20:06:32 +0000 hi ya sean, how much are u asking forthe rx505 From: spacepup at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak decks for sale Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 01:08:02 -0500 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spacepup at hotmail.com Fri Nov 18 23:08:17 2011 From: spacepup at hotmail.com (Sean Reid) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 17:08:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk]Re: Nak decks for sale In-Reply-To: References: <201111171117.pAHB8CJB002105@zxe.naks.com>, <1321548297.43660.YahooMailNeo@web120702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>, <001d01cca56e$c3b0ef00$4b12cd00$@net>, , <002701cca612$6fde6610$4f9b3230$@net>, <000301cca61a$2fc03d30$8f40b790$@net>, Message-ID: i wouldn't worry about any threadjacking... that ship sailed long ago :P Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:34:40 -0700 Subject: Re: [naktalk]Re: Nak decks for sale From: mrm12000 at cableone.net To: naktalk at naks.com Not to jack your thread, but I have a half dozen of these tapes as C-90s, along with other vintage TDK and Maxell CrO2 and some metal tapes. All are sealed. Respond to me directly with interest, and I can shoot a few pictures. On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Adrian Mechner wrote: Here is a link to photos regarding the TDK SA60: http://s1190.photobucket.com/albums/z446/20021001/TDK%20SA60/ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Mechner Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 8:52 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk]Re: Nak decks for sale I have only C60.I can email a few photos if you want. This are probably the last ones ever to find and I would/might let them go for $10 +shipping I got the entire inventory from the one who kept them. For now I have 11 (out of 12 because I had to do tests on one of them to make sure it’s A+++ and it is) And 24 (the last ones) are on their way. I only wanted to know if in this community there would be any demand before posting on epay. So, please let me know if you want any and thanks for reading, Adrian From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Steve Ember Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 2:18 PM To: Nakamichi Talk Subject: RE: [naktalk]Re: Nak decks for sale Yes! Have you any to sell? Are they C-90s? From: adrian at mechner.net To: shoeihell at yahoo.com; naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk]Re: Nak decks for sale Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 13:20:42 -0800 CC: Is anyone interested in GENUINE factory sealed TDK SA the original ones from 1991? Super Avilyn!!! These are the ones that we all loved and basically are gone now… Tape made in Japan Assembled in USA “Super Precision Anti-Resonance Cassette Mechanism” @1991 TDK Corporation TDK ELECTRONICS CORP. 12 Harbor Park Drive, Port Washington, N.Y. 11050 USA From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Fetner Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 8:45 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk]Re: Nak decks for sale Decent price if it's 100%, calibrated and doesn't need any service. Not so good if the deck has to be sent to Willy, or ESL etc. I guess it also depends on how badly you want a RX-505.;-) Kevin Message: 1 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 17:14:45 -0500 From: Sean Reid Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak decks for sale To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" i'm asking $550, comes with wired remote and copies of service/user manual... will have pics this evening thanks,Sean From: upshaw937 at msn.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak decks for sale Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 20:06:32 +0000 hi ya sean, how much are u asking forthe rx505 From: spacepup at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak decks for sale Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 01:08:02 -0500 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Fri Nov 18 23:40:29 2011 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 15:40:29 -0700 Subject: [naktalk]Re: Nak decks for sale In-Reply-To: <000901cca62e$41b4b4d0$c51e1e70$@net> References: <201111171117.pAHB8CJB002105@zxe.naks.com>, <1321548297.43660.YahooMailNeo@web120702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>, <001d01cca56e$c3b0ef00$4b12cd00$@net> <002701cca612$6fde6610$4f9b3230$@net> <000301cca61a$2fc03d30$8f40b790$@net> <1321645249.30349.YahooMailNeo@web112712.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <000901cca62e$41b4b4d0$c51e1e70$@net> Message-ID: <003c01cca643$130e0f90$392a2eb0$@math.utah.edu> http://www.ebay.com/itm/TDK-SA-90-New-Blank-Cassette-/180756435801?pt=Music_Cassettes&hash=item2a15ec5359 I still have some Sony XR60C Metal tapes….If interested contact me off list. Vic From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Mechner Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 1:11 PM To: 'shanti ramachandran'; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk]Re: Nak decks for sale I hope that you are aware of the fact that we talk about a product that is no longer in production. I stated that these tapes are PROBABLY the best you can buy today. The price is subject to the market. Talking of “steep”, check this out: http://www.ebay.com/itm/2001-Hot-Wheels-1st-Nationals-Staff-67-Camaro-GREEN-/150301971624?pt=Diecast_Vehicles &hash=item22feb214a8 And the point of your respond was??? Adrian From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 11:41 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk]Re: Nak decks for sale Hi Adrian, Good tapes these that you have for sale. Best SAs? Not by a long shot. That accolade goes to the TDK SAs' made between 1979 and 1985, the best being the 1979 and the 1982 version. I base this upon my personal experience with these tapes from 1973 up until now. The 1990s began with compromise in quality and deteriorated from the late 80s quality by a long shot. I have some of the 1982 and 1979 running marathons on my Naks even now with no issues whatsoever.Sounds the way I recorded them almost three decades ago! I also believe that $10 per 1991 SA is a bit too steep! Of course this is just my HO. Thanks and good luck. Ram. _____ From: Adrian Mechner To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 12:47 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk]Re: Nak decks for sale Here is a link to photos regarding the TDK SA60: http://s1190.photobucket.com/albums/z446/20021001/TDK%20SA60/ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Mechner Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 8:52 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk]Re: Nak decks for sale I have only C60. I can email a few photos if you want. This are probably the last ones ever to find and I would/might let them go for $10 +shipping I got the entire inventory from the one who kept them. For now I have 11 (out of 12 because I had to do tests on one of them to make sure it’s A+++ and it is) And 24 (the last ones) are on their way. I only wanted to know if in this community there would be any demand before posting on epay. So, please let me know if you want any and thanks for reading, Adrian From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Steve Ember Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 2:18 PM To: Nakamichi Talk Subject: RE: [naktalk]Re: Nak decks for sale Yes! Have you any to sell? Are they C-90s? _____ From: adrian at mechner.net To: shoeihell at yahoo.com; naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk]Re: Nak decks for sale Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 13:20:42 -0800 CC: Is anyone interested in GENUINE factory sealed TDK SA the original ones from 1991? Super Avilyn!!! These are the ones that we all loved and basically are gone now… Tape made in Japan Assembled in USA “Super Precision Anti-Resonance Cassette Mechanism” @1991 TDK Corporation TDK ELECTRONICS CORP. 12 Harbor Park Drive, Port Washington, N.Y. 11050 USA From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Fetner Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 8:45 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk]Re: Nak decks for sale Decent price if it's 100%, calibrated and doesn't need any service. Not so good if the deck has to be sent to Willy, or ESL etc. I guess it also depends on how badly you want a RX-505.;-) Kevin _____ Message: 1 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 17:14:45 -0500 From: Sean Reid Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak decks for sale To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" i'm asking $550, comes with wired remote and copies of service/user manual... will have pics this evening thanks,Sean From: upshaw937 at msn.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak decks for sale Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 20:06:32 +0000 hi ya sean, how much are u asking forthe rx505 From: spacepup at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak decks for sale Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 01:08:02 -0500 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From spacepup at hotmail.com Fri Nov 18 23:59:16 2011 From: spacepup at hotmail.com (Sean Reid) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 17:59:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk]Re: Nak decks for sale In-Reply-To: References: <201111171117.pAHB8CJB002105@zxe.naks.com>, , <1321548297.43660.YahooMailNeo@web120702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>, , <001d01cca56e$c3b0ef00$4b12cd00$@net>, , <002701cca612$6fde6610$4f9b3230$@net>, <000301cca61a$2fc03d30$8f40b790$@net>, <1321645249.30349.YahooMailNeo@web112712.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, Message-ID: i'd have to agree with you, price-wise, Ram... although these are far better tapes than what is available now, still 5-screw shells and whatnot, i've sold a ton of them and the 90 min variety go for about $5 on a good day. some mid-late 80's SA's i had went for about 7 or 8 dollars a piece. just my 2 cents worth here... Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 11:40:49 -0800 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk]Re: Nak decks for sale To: naktalk at naks.com Hi Adrian, Good tapes these that you have for sale. Best SAs? Not by a long shot. That accolade goes to the TDK SAs' made between 1979 and 1985, the best being the 1979 and the 1982 version. I base this upon my personal experience with these tapes from 1973 up until now. The 1990s began with compromise in quality and deteriorated from the late 80s quality by a long shot. I have some of the 1982 and 1979 running marathons on my Naks even now with no issues whatsoever.Sounds the way I recorded them almost three decades ago! I also believe that $10 per 1991 SA is a bit too steep! Of course this is just my HO. Thanks and good luck. Ram. From: Adrian Mechner To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 12:47 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk]Re: Nak decks for sale Here is a link to photos regarding the TDK SA60: http://s1190.photobucket.com/albums/z446/20021001/TDK%20SA60/ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Mechner Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 8:52 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk]Re: Nak decks for sale I have only C60.I can email a few photos if you want.This are probably the last ones ever to find and I would/might let them go for $10 +shippingI got the entire inventory from the one who kept them. For now I have 11 (out of 12 because I had to do tests on one of them to make sure it’s A+++ and it is)And 24 (the last ones) are on their way.I only wanted to know if in this community there would be any demand before posting on epay.So, please let me know if you want any and thanks for reading,AdrianFrom: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Steve Ember Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 2:18 PM To: Nakamichi Talk Subject: RE: [naktalk]Re: Nak decks for sale Yes! Have you any to sell? Are they C-90s?From: adrian at mechner.net To: shoeihell at yahoo.com; naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk]Re: Nak decks for sale Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 13:20:42 -0800 CC: Is anyone interested in GENUINE factory sealed TDK SA the original ones from 1991?Super Avilyn!!!These are the ones that we all loved and basically are gone now…Tape made in Japan Assembled in USA“Super Precision Anti-Resonance Cassette Mechanism”@1991 TDK CorporationTDK ELECTRONICS CORP.12 Harbor Park Drive, Port Washington,N.Y. 11050 USA From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Fetner Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 8:45 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk]Re: Nak decks for sale Decent price if it's 100%, calibrated and doesn't need any service. Not so good if the deck has to be sent to Willy, or ESL etc. I guess it also depends on how badly you want a RX-505.;-) Kevin Message: 1 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 17:14:45 -0500 From: Sean Reid Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak decks for sale To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" i'm asking $550, comes with wired remote and copies of service/user manual... will have pics this evening thanks,Sean From: upshaw937 at msn.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak decks for sale Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 20:06:32 +0000 hi ya sean, how much are u asking forthe rx505 From: spacepup at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak decks for sale Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 01:08:02 -0500 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Sat Nov 19 16:34:08 2011 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 07:34:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re:Service Manual : Is it easily useful for a technician? In-Reply-To: <201111191117.pAJB8Eog012656@zxe.naks.com> References: <201111191117.pAJB8Eog012656@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <1321716848.29219.YahooMailNeo@web120702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Many yrs ago when I bought my "working fine" RX-505 on ebay....it didn't work at all and hadn't worked in yrs...what a surprise. Anyway, thinking it might just be the idler tire, I set about to replace it. After a very long scrutiny of the transport system, I was able to take a jewelry screwdriver, bend the working end to 90 degrees with heat, remove a motor and then the idler tire assembly.  My tire was rock hard like plastic. Although victorious in reinstalling without splitting the case, I managed to break a pot that works the cassette  flip drawer mechanism rooting around in there. Then started a very long hunt for a substitute pot which never panned out. Eventually after much begging, Tom B here sent me a used pot from a donor deck. You can't believe how thin the shaft is on that pot. From the manufacturer of that pot, it looks like the shaft was turned down even further then it originally started out! Turned out (two techs later), there were some electronic problems with the deck above and beyond the idler tire. Anyway point is that yes, you can change the idler tire without splitting the case...but unless you have a very high mechanical aptitude and much patience, I wouldn't try it. Kevin  ________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 08:04:17 -0800 (PST) From: shanti ramachandran Subject: Re: [naktalk] Service Manual : Is it easily useful for a     technician ? To: ying yang ,    Talk about Nakamichi Cassette     Decks Message-ID:     <1321632257.69776.YahooMailNeo at web112712.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The belt on the two decks can be done by the ordinary man on the street( like me) The idler tire on the other hand requires expertise in nap classic transports and is difficult even with access to a service manual as it entails disassembly of part of it to get to the idler tire. Doable for some, but not for a guy like me. Ram. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Sat Nov 19 18:04:52 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 09:04:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Service Manual : Is it easily useful for a technician ? In-Reply-To: <1321598899.9225.YahooMailNeo@web122512.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1321598899.9225.YahooMailNeo@web122512.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1321722292.59400.YahooMailNeo@web130109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> A service manual is like any other tool: it can make a job easier (in some cases, possible) to do, but does not guaranties that the user is knowledgeable or capable of actually doing it. Of the two jobs you mention, I would say that the first is a piece of cake, even without a manual, while the second is pretty tough, even with a manual. Good luck, -- Ron >________________________________ > From: ying yang >To: "naktalk at naks.com" >Cc: "mailman at naks.com" >Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 1:48 AM >Subject: [naktalk] Service Manual : Is it easily useful for a technician ? > > >I want to change the belt in my ZX680 and tire and belt in the RX505 > > >I am wondering if it is easily readable and user friendly for a technician to make use of them to fix the above. >I am thinking of getting them to assist a techincian to fix them. > > >Is it true to say that even if a Service Manual the ordinary man in the street will not be able to get around to fix those 2 issues ? > > >Thank you all . >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spacepup at hotmail.com Sun Nov 20 02:26:05 2011 From: spacepup at hotmail.com (Sean Reid) Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 20:26:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] question about power transformers In-Reply-To: <1321722292.59400.YahooMailNeo@web130109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <1321598899.9225.YahooMailNeo@web122512.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>, <1321722292.59400.YahooMailNeo@web130109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: any of the techs here happen to know what the DC Output is on the Power Transformers for North American models of the RX-303 and RX-202 (120V AC Input)? hope to hear back soon,Sean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From next at muchomail.com Sun Nov 20 14:15:20 2011 From: next at muchomail.com (MWB) Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 05:15:20 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Problem: Nak RX-505E just keeps rewinding on startup! Message-ID: <20111120051520.BA48E289@m0005309.ppops.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Sun Nov 20 16:45:23 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 07:45:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] question about power transformers In-Reply-To: References: <1321598899.9225.YahooMailNeo@web122512.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>, <1321722292.59400.YahooMailNeo@web130109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1321803923.20682.YahooMailNeo@web130108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I am not sure that I understand your question. The power transformer outputs AC, not DC. Looking at the RX-303 schematic, for example, you can see there are two secondary windings. One for the 5VDC supply, the other for the +12V, -12V and +20V supplies.  AC Voltages are not specified. However, output of the raw (before regulation) +12V supply is shown as +20V. Since maximum raw DC is (VAC * 1.414 - 1.4V), the minimum AC voltage from the transformer works out to about 15VAC. It's probably 18-20VAC. Since this secondary is center tapped, the voltage out of that coil is about 38VAC, center tapped. Bear in mind, this is a guesstimate. As to the +5V supply, we can go through a similar analysis to guess the AC voltage, but I am not sure what purpose this will serve. It certainly won't be accurate enough to serve as data for special winding a replacement transformer.  -- Ron >________________________________ > From: Sean Reid >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 8:26 PM >Subject: [naktalk] question about power transformers > > > >any of the techs here happen to know what the DC Output is on the Power Transformers for North American models of the RX-303 and RX-202 (120V AC Input)? > > >hope to hear back soon, >Sean >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adrian at mechner.net Sun Nov 20 17:04:58 2011 From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner) Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 08:04:58 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Problem: Nak RX-505E just keeps rewinding on startup! In-Reply-To: <20111120051520.BA48E289@m0005309.ppops.net> References: <20111120051520.BA48E289@m0005309.ppops.net> Message-ID: <000d01cca79e$2718a660$7549f320$@net> This is a typically cam problem. You will need to adjust the position of the cam. I would say that there were problems with the engagement of the heads and someone did some “hocus-pocus” with the cam motor but did not mount the cam back in the right position. It’s my shot, could be something else in the IC, but this is worth checking. Adrian From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of MWB Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 5:15 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Problem: Nak RX-505E just keeps rewinding on startup! Hello, I have a problem with my Nakamichi RX-505E :-( As soon as I turn on the machine, it starts rewinding and the control motor spinning continuously. No matter what button I press, the machine won't stop rewinding. Interestingly, the rewind button led isn't flashing while is machine is rewinding, but the cue led is. Any suggestions on what to adjust? Thanks for reading, Peter _____ The Free Email with so much more! =====> http://www.MuchoMail.com <===== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From next at muchomail.com Sun Nov 20 20:31:49 2011 From: next at muchomail.com (MWB) Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 11:31:49 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Problem: Nak RX-505E just keeps rewinding on startup! Message-ID: <20111120113149.BA489127@m0005309.ppops.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Sun Nov 20 22:28:47 2011 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 13:28:47 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Problem: Nak RX-505E just keeps rewinding on startup! In-Reply-To: <20111120113149.BA489127@m0005309.ppops.net> References: <20111120113149.BA489127@m0005309.ppops.net> Message-ID: With all the problems you list I would have to suspect a power supply issue. Make sure all the rails are up and at their proper voltages before proceeding. Willy On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 11:31 AM, MWB wrote: > Hi Adrian, > > Let me try to explain my RX-505E problem in some detail: > > The cassette slot "shows" side B. If I pull the cassette "drawbridge" out > and rotate the slot to "side A" and then turn on the machine, the > drawbridge closes and the slot returns to "side B" > > When I turn on the machine the Cam Motor and Reel Motor immidiately start > to spin driving the right reel hub and incrementing/increasing the counter. > The Control Cam doesn't rotate but is at the end of its range showing an > "R". > The CUE button is constantly lit. The STOP button goes through the usual > startup blinking sequence, and after this I can press any of the buttons > making them momentarily light up. If I press Rewind then the counter starts > to decrease, however reel hub doesn't change direction, but continues to > rewind. > > After pressing various buttons for a short while the Master Fade Down > Button start to slightly turn on, thereby lighting up both fader buttons. > After this has occured, every time I press a button the Master Fade Down > button turns off and on again. > > I've tried removing the belt from the Cam Motor (which runs continously) > and rotate the control cam by hand to see if the cam position would turn > off the cam motor and reel motor. The only thing that happens is that both > motors contiune to spin while I'm making the head bridge go up or down - > disengaging or engaging the rewinding of the cassette. > > > Any ideas or suggestions would be welcome, > Peter > > > --- adrian at mechner.net wrote: > > From: "Adrian Mechner" > To: , "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" < > naktalk at naks.com> > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Problem: Nak RX-505E just keeps rewinding on > startup! > Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 08:04:58 -0800 > > This is a typically cam problem. You will need to adjust the position of > the cam. > > I would say that there were problems with the engagement of the heads and > someone did some “hocus-pocus” with the cam motor but did not mount the > cam back in the right position. > > It’s my shot, could be something else in the IC, but this is worth > checking. > > Adrian > > > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *MWB > *Sent:* Sunday, November 20, 2011 5:15 AM > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Subject:* [naktalk] Problem: Nak RX-505E just keeps rewinding on startup! > > > > Hello, > > I have a problem with my Nakamichi RX-505E :-( > > As soon as I turn on the machine, it starts rewinding and the control > motor spinning continuously. No matter what button I press, the machine > won't stop rewinding. > > Interestingly, the rewind button led isn't flashing while is machine is > rewinding, but the cue led is. Any suggestions on what to adjust? > > Thanks for reading, > Peter > > ------------------------------ > > The Free Email with so much more! > =====> http://www.MuchoMail.com <===== > > > ------------------------------ > The Free Email with so much more! > =====> http://www.MuchoMail.com <===== > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tom_chr at jubii.dk Mon Nov 21 00:09:00 2011 From: tom_chr at jubii.dk (T C R) Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 15:09:00 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Looking for a RX-303/505 Eject/Load button Message-ID: <9386741845684103BFE101394F0AC481@mail2world.com> Hello, I'm looking for a intact "Eject/Load" button as found on the Nakamichi RX-303/505 models. I'm crossing my fingers and hoping that someone out there has some spare RX parts. Best regards, Michael

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In-Reply-To: References: <20111120113149.BA489127@m0005309.ppops.net> Message-ID: <1321928764.94939.YahooMailNeo@web122506.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> My RX505 cassette well mechanism is working well and turns the cassette A side over to the B side automatically when the A side ends and after the B side ends it stops and when I eject it it opens out and return to the A side facing me. I suppose this is normal procecure of the mechanism.   Now I have bought a TIRE for it because the old tire is faulty and giving out a clacking sound as the tape progress forward to the Left. But when I press FF it gives off a loud noise and will not move which I believe confirms that the TIRE has hardened.   Along with the TIRE (the Vendor was kind enough ) came a sheet explaining that RX505 is similar to RX202 and among other steps the way to  get at the IDLER wheel is to PULL out the cassette well for a short distance when power is off and manually turn the cassette cradle to 90degree position in a 12oclock and 6oclock position so that there is space to move the Philips screw in to remove the claw on the right inside of the cassette well before  getting access inside.   Frankly I am trying to read over and over again the instructions (I will not attempt to proceed without the help of a experienced technician since I understand how formidable the replacement of the TIRE is from experts here)   I just wonder pulling out the moveable cassette well does'nt it dislocate the whole mechanism and thus cause mechanical misalignment which may render the whole automatic Unidirectional Reverse mechanisn which is currently working well to fail and thereby cause a gigantic disabling of a unique feature of this model for the sake of changing the TIRE ?   I am in a dilemma . I am technically ignorant though I do all the DIY stuff at home and I am rather meticulous in what I do and I have a digital camera for standy if at a point in time I need a technician's help to change the TIRE. But before that can happen I am earnestly seeking help from forumners here who own or have changed the RX505 TIRE to give a BIG helping hand. This will also help others who face the same situaton and would not be practical to send the  equipment across the country or overseas.   I live in a country where Naks are as rare as hen's teeth and cassette decks are history and of a bygone era. Only a handful of people out there as I can perceive are still stuck in this format with whatever commercialy recorded cassttes they have left as there are is no market for it.People use cassette for recording their karaoke lessons on hand-held recorders and even then this is giving way to those digital small gadgets that journalists use. I am a handful in the Jurassic age for nostalgic reasons and I believe a valid reason for the warm sound from a cassette tape never mind if I have to toil to clean the cassette heads often.   So please lend a helping towards a Safe and Sound step by step procedure to change the TIRE for the common good. I can't possibly send to the other side of the world to USA as it will not just break my bank account but also the attendant risks of damage to and fro unless it is spoilt and can only be diagnosed and repaired in USA. Thank you everyone who can advise and chip in.   Baguadao  ________________________________ From: Willy Hermann To: next at muchomail.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 5:28 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Problem: Nak RX-505E just keeps rewinding on startup! With all the problems you list I would have to suspect a power supply issue.  Make sure all the rails are up and at their proper voltages before proceeding. Willy On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 11:31 AM, MWB wrote: Hi Adrian, > >Let me try to explain my RX-505E problem in some detail: > >The cassette slot "shows" side B. If I pull the cassette "drawbridge" out and rotate the slot to "side A" and then turn on the machine, the drawbridge closes and the slot returns to "side B" > >When I turn on the machine the Cam Motor and Reel Motor immidiately start to spin driving the right reel hub and incrementing/increasing the counter. The Control Cam doesn't rotate but is at the end of its range showing an "R". >The CUE button is constantly lit. The STOP button goes through the usual startup blinking sequence, and after this I can press any of the buttons making them momentarily light up. If I press Rewind then the counter starts to decrease, however reel hub doesn't change direction, but continues to rewind. > >After pressing various buttons for a short while the Master Fade Down Button start to slightly turn on, thereby lighting up both fader buttons. After this has occured, every time I press a button the Master Fade Down button turns off and on again. > >I've tried removing the belt from the Cam Motor (which runs continously) and rotate the control cam by hand to see if the cam position would turn off the cam motor and reel motor. The only thing that happens is that both motors contiune to spin while I'm making the head bridge go up or down - disengaging or engaging the rewinding of the cassette. > > >Any ideas or suggestions would be welcome, >Peter > > >--- adrian at mechner.net wrote: > >From: "Adrian Mechner" >To: , "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Problem: Nak RX-505E just keeps rewinding on startup! >Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 08:04:58 -0800 > > >This is a typically cam problem. You will need to adjust the position of the cam. >I would say that there were problems with the engagement of the heads and someone did some “hocus-pocus”  with the cam motor but did not mount the cam back in the right position. >It’s my shot, could be something else in the IC, but this is worth checking. >Adrian >  >From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of MWB >Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 5:15 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Problem: Nak RX-505E just keeps rewinding on startup!   >Hello, > >I have a problem with my Nakamichi RX-505E :-( > >As soon as I turn on the machine, it starts rewinding and the control motor spinning continuously. No matter what button I press, the machine won't stop rewinding. > >Interestingly, the rewind button led isn't flashing while is machine is rewinding, but the cue led is. Any suggestions on what to adjust? > >Thanks for reading, >Peter >  > >________________________________ > >The Free Email with so much more! >=====> http://www.MuchoMail.com <===== >  > >>________________________________ >The Free Email with so much more! >=====> http://www.MuchoMail.com <===== >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alphonse_lessourci at yahoo.com Tue Nov 22 09:56:44 2011 From: alphonse_lessourci at yahoo.com (Bertrand Briole) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 09:56:44 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Problem: Nak RX-505E just keeps rewinding on startup! In-Reply-To: <1321928764.94939.YahooMailNeo@web122506.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <20111120113149.BA489127@m0005309.ppops.net> <1321928764.94939.YahooMailNeo@web122506.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4ECB63CC.9050209@yahoo.com> The RX-505 is not at all similar to the RX-202! and particularly not for changing the tire that,itself, is different. You need to take out the transport from the chassis, and here is a picture of what you see once the transport out, and the cassette plate removed. At this point on the RX-202, you would be able to see the tire. In your case, with the RX-505, you still have to dismantle the transport, which is the tuff part of the job, to get access to the tire (which, again, is bigger than that of RX-202) If you have never done it, be carefull to try this on a RX-505 Where are you located? Al Le 22/11/2011 03:26, ying yang a écrit : > My RX505 cassette well mechanism is working well and turns the > cassette A side over to the B side automatically when the A side ends > and after the B side ends it stops and when I eject it it opens out > and return to the A side facing me. I suppose this is normal procecure > of the mechanism. > Now I have bought a TIRE for it because the old tire is faulty and > giving out a clacking sound as the tape progress forward to the Left. > But when I press FF it gives off a loud noise and will not move which > I believe confirms that the TIRE has hardened. > Along with the TIRE (the Vendor was kind enough ) came a sheet > explaining that RX505 is similar to RX202 and among other steps the > way to get at the IDLER wheel is to PULL out the cassette well for a > short distance when power is off and manually turn the cassette cradle > to 90degree position in a 12oclock and 6oclock position so that there > is space to move the Philips screw in to remove the claw on the right > inside of the cassette well before getting access inside. > Frankly I am trying to read over and over again the instructions (I > will not attempt to proceed without the help of a experienced > technician since I understand how formidable the replacement of the > TIRE is from experts here) > I just wonder pulling out the moveable cassette well does'nt it > dislocate the whole mechanism and thus cause mechanical misalignment > which may render the whole automatic Unidirectional Reverse mechanisn > which is currently working well to fail and thereby cause a gigantic > disabling of a unique feature of this model for the sake of changing > the TIRE ? > I am in a dilemma . I am technically ignorant though I do all the DIY > stuff at home and I am rather meticulous in what I do and I have a > digital camera for standy if at a point in time I need a technician's > help to change the TIRE. But before that can happen I am earnestly > seeking help from forumners here who own or have changed the RX505 > TIRE to give a BIG helping hand. This will also help others who face > the same situaton and would not be practical to send the equipment > across the country or overseas. > I live in a country where Naks are as rare as hen's teeth and cassette > decks are history and of a bygone era. Only a handful of people out > there as I can perceive are still stuck in this format with whatever > commercialy recorded cassttes they have left as there are is no market > for it.People use cassette for recording their karaoke lessons on > hand-held recorders and even then this is giving way to those digital > small gadgets that journalists use. I am a handful in the Jurassic age > for nostalgic reasons and I believe a valid reason for the warm sound > from a cassette tape never mind if I have to toil to clean the > cassette heads often. > So please lend a helping towards a Safe and Sound step by step > procedure to change the TIRE for the common good. I can't possibly > send to the other side of the world to USA as it will not just break > my bank account but also the attendant risks of damage to and fro > unless it is spoilt and can only be diagnosed and repaired in USA. > > Thank you everyone who can advise and chip in. > Baguadao > *From:* Willy Hermann > *To:* next at muchomail.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > *Sent:* Monday, November 21, 2011 5:28 AM > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Problem: Nak RX-505E just keeps rewinding on > startup! > > With all the problems you list I would have to suspect a power supply > issue. Make sure all the rails are up and at their proper voltages > before proceeding. > > Willy > > On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 11:31 AM, MWB > wrote: > > Hi Adrian, > > Let me try to explain my RX-505E problem in some detail: > > The cassette slot "shows" side B. If I pull the cassette > "drawbridge" out and rotate the slot to "side A" and then turn on > the machine, the drawbridge closes and the slot returns to "side B" > > When I turn on the machine the Cam Motor and Reel Motor > immidiately start to spin driving the right reel hub and > incrementing/increasing the counter. The Control Cam doesn't > rotate but is at the end of its range showing an "R". > The CUE button is constantly lit. The STOP button goes through the > usual startup blinking sequence, and after this I can press any of > the buttons making them momentarily light up. If I press Rewind > then the counter starts to decrease, however reel hub doesn't > change direction, but continues to rewind. > > After pressing various buttons for a short while the Master Fade > Down Button start to slightly turn on, thereby lighting up both > fader buttons. After this has occured, every time I press a button > the Master Fade Down button turns off and on again. > > I've tried removing the belt from the Cam Motor (which runs > continously) and rotate the control cam by hand to see if the cam > position would turn off the cam motor and reel motor. The only > thing that happens is that both motors contiune to spin while I'm > making the head bridge go up or down - disengaging or engaging the > rewinding of the cassette. > > > Any ideas or suggestions would be welcome, > Peter > > > --- adrian at mechner.net wrote: > > From: "Adrian Mechner" > > To: >, "'Talk about > Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Problem: Nak RX-505E just keeps rewinding > on startup! > Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 08:04:58 -0800 > > This is a typically cam problem. You will need to adjust the > position of the cam. > I would say that there were problems with the engagement of the > heads and someone did some “hocus-pocus” with the cam motor but > did not mount the cam back in the right position. > It’s my shot, could be something else in the IC, but this is worth > checking. > Adrian > *From:*naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com > ] *On Behalf Of *MWB > *Sent:* Sunday, November 20, 2011 5:15 AM > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Subject:* [naktalk] Problem: Nak RX-505E just keeps rewinding on > startup! > Hello, > > I have a problem with my Nakamichi RX-505E :-( > > As soon as I turn on the machine, it starts rewinding and the > control motor spinning continuously. No matter what button I > press, the machine won't stop rewinding. > > Interestingly, the rewind button led isn't flashing while is > machine is rewinding, but the cue led is. Any suggestions on what > to adjust? > > Thanks for reading, > Peter > The Free Email with so much more! > =====> http://www.MuchoMail.com <===== > > > The Free Email with so much more! > =====> http://www.MuchoMail.com <===== > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: RX-505E_out.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 154123 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bagua_dao at yahoo.com Tue Nov 22 12:11:02 2011 From: bagua_dao at yahoo.com (ying yang) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 03:11:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Problem: Nak RX-505E just keeps rewinding on startup! In-Reply-To: <1321928764.94939.YahooMailNeo@web122506.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <20111120113149.BA489127@m0005309.ppops.net> <1321928764.94939.YahooMailNeo@web122506.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1321960262.60426.YahooMailNeo@web122520.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Thank you Bertrand Briole for this picture. This looks like the RX505 looking up from the bottom. But how did you get to this stage ? And where is the Idler wheel and the Tire ? the Tire located. Can you assist on how you get to here and how to proceed further ? Thank you once again for taking time to post the picture . Url : http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20111122/5f338d92/RX-505E_out.jpg ________________________________ From: ying yang To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Cc: bagua_dao ying yang Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 10:26 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Problem: Nak RX-505E just keeps rewinding on startup! My RX505 cassette well mechanism is working well and turns the cassette A side over to the B side automatically when the A side ends and after the B side ends it stops and when I eject it it opens out and return to the A side facing me. I suppose this is normal procecure of the mechanism.   Now I have bought a TIRE for it because the old tire is faulty and giving out a clacking sound as the tape progress forward to the Left. But when I press FF it gives off a loud noise and will not move which I believe confirms that the TIRE has hardened.   Along with the TIRE (the Vendor was kind enough ) came a sheet explaining that RX505 is similar to RX202 and among other steps the way to  get at the IDLER wheel is to PULL out the cassette well for a short distance when power is off and manually turn the cassette cradle to 90degree position in a 12oclock and 6oclock position so that there is space to move the Philips screw in to remove the claw on the right inside of the cassette well before  getting access inside.   Frankly I am trying to read over and over again the instructions (I will not attempt to proceed without the help of a experienced technician since I understand how formidable the replacement of the TIRE is from experts here)   I just wonder pulling out the moveable cassette well does'nt it dislocate the whole mechanism and thus cause mechanical misalignment which may render the whole automatic Unidirectional Reverse mechanisn which is currently working well to fail and thereby cause a gigantic disabling of a unique feature of this model for the sake of changing the TIRE ?   I am in a dilemma . I am technically ignorant though I do all the DIY stuff at home and I am rather meticulous in what I do and I have a digital camera for standy if at a point in time I need a technician's help to change the TIRE. But before that can happen I am earnestly seeking help from forumners here who own or have changed the RX505 TIRE to give a BIG helping hand. This will also help others who face the same situaton and would not be practical to send the  equipment across the country or overseas.   I live in a country where Naks are as rare as hen's teeth and cassette decks are history and of a bygone era. Only a handful of people out there as I can perceive are still stuck in this format with whatever commercialy recorded cassttes they have left as there are is no market for it.People use cassette for recording their karaoke lessons on hand-held recorders and even then this is giving way to those digital small gadgets that journalists use. I am a handful in the Jurassic age for nostalgic reasons and I believe a valid reason for the warm sound from a cassette tape never mind if I have to toil to clean the cassette heads often.   So please lend a helping towards a Safe and Sound step by step procedure to change the TIRE for the common good. I can't possibly send to the other side of the world to USA as it will not just break my bank account but also the attendant risks of damage to and fro unless it is spoilt and can only be diagnosed and repaired in USA. Thank you everyone who can advise and chip in.   Baguadao  From: Willy Hermann To: next at muchomail.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 5:28 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Problem: Nak RX-505E just keeps rewinding on startup! With all the problems you list I would have to suspect a power supply issue.  Make sure all the rails are up and at their proper voltages before proceeding. Willy On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 11:31 AM, MWB wrote: Hi Adrian, > >Let me try to explain my RX-505E problem in some detail: > >The cassette slot "shows" side B. If I pull the cassette "drawbridge" out and rotate the slot to "side A" and then turn on the machine, the drawbridge closes and the slot returns to "side B" > >When I turn on the machine the Cam Motor and Reel Motor immidiately start to spin driving the right reel hub and incrementing/increasing the counter. The Control Cam doesn't rotate but is at the end of its range showing an "R". >The CUE button is constantly lit. The STOP button goes through the usual startup blinking sequence, and after this I can press any of the buttons making them momentarily light up. If I press Rewind then the counter starts to decrease, however reel hub doesn't change direction, but continues to rewind. > >After pressing various buttons for a short while the Master Fade Down Button start to slightly turn on, thereby lighting up both fader buttons. After this has occured, every time I press a button the Master Fade Down button turns off and on again. > >I've tried removing the belt from the Cam Motor (which runs continously) and rotate the control cam by hand to see if the cam position would turn off the cam motor and reel motor. The only thing that happens is that both motors contiune to spin while I'm making the head bridge go up or down - disengaging or engaging the rewinding of the cassette. > > >Any ideas or suggestions would be welcome, >Peter > > >--- adrian at mechner.net wrote: > >From: "Adrian Mechner" >To: , "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Problem: Nak RX-505E just keeps rewinding on startup! >Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 08:04:58 -0800 > > >This is a typically cam problem. You will need to adjust the position of the cam. >I would say that there were problems with the engagement of the heads and someone did some “hocus-pocus”  with the cam motor but did not mount the cam back in the right position. >It’s my shot, could be something else in the IC, but this is worth checking. >Adrian >  >From:naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of MWB >Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 5:15 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Problem: Nak RX-505E just keeps rewinding on startup!  >Hello, > >I have a problem with my Nakamichi RX-505E :-( > >As soon as I turn on the machine, it starts rewinding and the control motor spinning continuously. No matter what button I press, the machine won't stop rewinding. > >Interestingly, the rewind button led isn't flashing while is machine is rewinding, but the cue led is. Any suggestions on what to adjust? > >Thanks for reading, >Peter >  >The Free Email with so much more! >=====> http://www.MuchoMail.com <===== >  >The Free Email with so much more! >=====> http://www.MuchoMail.com <===== >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From perry.nak at comcast.net Tue Nov 22 14:06:25 2011 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 13:06:25 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RX505 tire change. Message-ID: <365227791-1321967185-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-533915696-@b18.c16.bise6.blackberry> First off, changing the tire on an RX202 is not even remotely similar to a 505. Classic transport vs a Sankyo. So pay no attention to that. Next, I have an RX303 right on my bench that is pretty identical mechanically to the 505 that needs a new tire and belt so this weekend I will take step by step photos of the proper and easy way to change them and email them to anyone that wants them. If anything, this seems to have come up a thousand times, and has been written about so many times, it has taken a life on its own. I can be reached at my naktalk email. Perry Esposito - From my phone From alphonse_lessourci at yahoo.com Tue Nov 22 14:05:22 2011 From: alphonse_lessourci at yahoo.com (Alphonse Lessourci) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 14:05:22 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Problem: Nak RX-505E just keeps rewinding on startup! In-Reply-To: <1321960262.60426.YahooMailNeo@web122520.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <20111120113149.BA489127@m0005309.ppops.net> <1321928764.94939.YahooMailNeo@web122506.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1321960262.60426.YahooMailNeo@web122520.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4ECB9E12.1010609@yahoo.com> To get at this stage, you have to follow the various figures/procedures indicated in the Service Manual. Because of the complex procedure, I do not think a written step-by-step analysis of the removal exists (can anyone confirm)? page 15: removal of the top and front page 17: extract the mechanism assembly page 20: remove the mechanism from the UDAR plate and then pages 14 and 25: separate the two half valves of the mechanism (assembled upside down in the RX series), the idler assembly is there between the two aluminium plates (as usual) for the Nakamichi transport. (labelled 13 in fig 5.19). Cross your fingers... Al From tango0040 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 22 15:29:32 2011 From: tango0040 at yahoo.com (T T) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 06:29:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RX505 tire change. In-Reply-To: <365227791-1321967185-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-533915696-@b18.c16.bise6.blackberry> References: <365227791-1321967185-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-533915696-@b18.c16.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <1321972172.71165.YahooMailNeo@web110116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Perry: I would love to be on your e-mail list for this. Thanks, JT ________________________________ From: "perry.nak at comcast.net" To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 8:06:25 AM Subject: [naktalk] RX505 tire change. First off, changing the tire on an RX202 is not even remotely similar to a 505. Classic transport vs a Sankyo. So pay no attention to that. Next, I have an RX303 right on my bench that is pretty identical mechanically to the 505 that needs a new tire and belt so this weekend I will take step by step photos of the proper and easy way to change them and email them to anyone that wants them. If anything, this seems to have come up a thousand times, and has been written about so many times, it has taken a life on its own. I can be reached at my naktalk email. Perry Esposito - From my phone ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Tue Nov 22 19:48:38 2011 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 10:48:38 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Problem: Nak RX-505E just keeps rewinding on startup! In-Reply-To: <1321928764.94939.YahooMailNeo@web122506.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <20111120113149.BA489127@m0005309.ppops.net> <1321928764.94939.YahooMailNeo@web122506.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: WAIT!! The RX-505 may look similar to the RX-202 but it's not at all. The RX-202 uses the Sankyo mechanism for which changing the spooling idler is relatively easy. The RX-505 uses the "classic" transport which is a much more difficult job. Cheryl just gave a decent description of how she has gone about replacing the tire on that mechanism (in a 580) without separating the plinths of the transport. The RX-505 uses basically the same transport but mounts it upside down. You have to remove the transport, turn it over and then follow her procedure for replacement. I understand your predicament - best of luck. BTW - if the vendor from whom you bought the tire is telling you that replacement is like the RX-202 then you probably have the wrong tire. The classic transport takes a larger tire than the Sankyo transport. Willy On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 6:26 PM, ying yang wrote: > My RX505 cassette well mechanism is working well and turns the cassette A > side over to the B side automatically when the A side ends and after the B > side ends it stops and when I eject it it opens out and return to the A > side facing me. I suppose this is normal procecure of the mechanism. > > Now I have bought a TIRE for it because the old tire is faulty and giving > out a clacking sound as the tape progress forward to the Left. But when I > press FF it gives off a loud noise and will not move which I believe > confirms that the TIRE has hardened. > > Along with the TIRE (the Vendor was kind enough ) came a sheet explaining > that RX505 is similar to RX202 and among other steps the way to get at the > IDLER wheel is to PULL out the cassette well for a short distance when > power is off and manually turn the cassette cradle to 90degree position in > a 12oclock and 6oclock position so that there is space to move the Philips > screw in to remove the claw on the right inside of the cassette well > before getting access inside. > > Frankly I am trying to read over and over again the instructions (I will > not attempt to proceed without the help of a experienced technician since I > understand how formidable the replacement of the TIRE is from experts here) > > I just wonder pulling out the moveable cassette well does'nt it dislocate > the whole mechanism and thus cause mechanical misalignment which may render > the whole automatic Unidirectional Reverse mechanisn which is currently > working well to fail and thereby cause a gigantic disabling of a unique > feature of this model for the sake of changing the TIRE ? > > I am in a dilemma . I am technically ignorant though I do all the DIY > stuff at home and I am rather meticulous in what I do and I have a digital > camera for standy if at a point in time I need a technician's help to > change the TIRE. But before that can happen I am earnestly seeking help > from forumners here who own or have changed the RX505 TIRE to give a BIG > helping hand. This will also help others who face the same situaton and > would not be practical to send the equipment across the country or > overseas. > > I live in a country where Naks are as rare as hen's teeth and cassette > decks are history and of a bygone era. Only a handful of people out there > as I can perceive are still stuck in this format with whatever commercialy > recorded cassttes they have left as there are is no market for it.People > use cassette for recording their karaoke lessons on hand-held recorders and > even then this is giving way to those digital small gadgets that > journalists use. I am a handful in the Jurassic age for nostalgic reasons > and I believe a valid reason for the warm sound from a cassette tape never > mind if I have to toil to clean the cassette heads often. > > So please lend a helping towards a Safe and Sound step by step procedure > to change the TIRE for the common good. I can't possibly send to the other > side of the world to USA as it will not just break my bank account but also > the attendant risks of damage to and fro unless it is spoilt and can only > be diagnosed and repaired in USA. > > Thank you everyone who can advise and chip in. > > Baguadao > > *From:* Willy Hermann > *To:* next at muchomail.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks < > naktalk at naks.com> > *Sent:* Monday, November 21, 2011 5:28 AM > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Problem: Nak RX-505E just keeps rewinding on > startup! > > With all the problems you list I would have to suspect a power supply > issue. Make sure all the rails are up and at their proper voltages before > proceeding. > > Willy > > On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 11:31 AM, MWB wrote: > > Hi Adrian, > > Let me try to explain my RX-505E problem in some detail: > > The cassette slot "shows" side B. If I pull the cassette "drawbridge" out > and rotate the slot to "side A" and then turn on the machine, the > drawbridge closes and the slot returns to "side B" > > When I turn on the machine the Cam Motor and Reel Motor immidiately start > to spin driving the right reel hub and incrementing/increasing the counter. > The Control Cam doesn't rotate but is at the end of its range showing an > "R". > The CUE button is constantly lit. The STOP button goes through the usual > startup blinking sequence, and after this I can press any of the buttons > making them momentarily light up. If I press Rewind then the counter starts > to decrease, however reel hub doesn't change direction, but continues to > rewind. > > After pressing various buttons for a short while the Master Fade Down > Button start to slightly turn on, thereby lighting up both fader buttons. > After this has occured, every time I press a button the Master Fade Down > button turns off and on again. > > I've tried removing the belt from the Cam Motor (which runs continously) > and rotate the control cam by hand to see if the cam position would turn > off the cam motor and reel motor. The only thing that happens is that both > motors contiune to spin while I'm making the head bridge go up or down - > disengaging or engaging the rewinding of the cassette. > > > Any ideas or suggestions would be welcome, > Peter > > > --- adrian at mechner.net wrote: > > From: "Adrian Mechner" > To: , "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" < > naktalk at naks.com> > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Problem: Nak RX-505E just keeps rewinding on > startup! > Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 08:04:58 -0800 > > This is a typically cam problem. You will need to adjust the position of > the cam. > I would say that there were problems with the engagement of the heads and > someone did some “hocus-pocus” with the cam motor but did not mount the > cam back in the right position. > It’s my shot, could be something else in the IC, but this is worth > checking. > Adrian > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *MWB > *Sent:* Sunday, November 20, 2011 5:15 AM > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Subject:* [naktalk] Problem: Nak RX-505E just keeps rewinding on startup! > > Hello, > > I have a problem with my Nakamichi RX-505E :-( > > As soon as I turn on the machine, it starts rewinding and the control > motor spinning continuously. No matter what button I press, the machine > won't stop rewinding. > > Interestingly, the rewind button led isn't flashing while is machine is > rewinding, but the cue led is. Any suggestions on what to adjust? > > Thanks for reading, > Peter > > The Free Email with so much more! > =====> http://www.MuchoMail.com <===== > > > > The Free Email with so much more! > =====> http://www.MuchoMail.com <===== > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alphonse_lessourci at yahoo.com Tue Nov 22 16:45:58 2011 From: alphonse_lessourci at yahoo.com (Alphonse Lessourci) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 16:45:58 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RX505 tire change. In-Reply-To: <365227791-1321967185-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-533915696-@b18.c16.bise6.blackberry> References: <365227791-1321967185-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-533915696-@b18.c16.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <4ECBC3B6.7020009@yahoo.com> Le 22/11/2011 14:06, perry.nak at comcast.net a écrit : > First off, changing the tire on an RX202 is not even remotely similar to a 505. Classic transport vs a Sankyo. So pay no attention to that. Next, I have an RX303 right on my bench that is pretty identical mechanically to the 505 that needs a new tire and belt so this weekend I will take step by step photos of the proper and easy way to change them and email them to anyone that wants them. If anything, this seems to have come up a thousand times, and has been written about so many times, it has taken a life on its own. I can be reached at my > naktalk email. > Perry Esposito - From my phone > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Hi Perry, I will be the second to appreciate your step-by-step photos with the RX-303! Thanks Al From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 22 17:23:38 2011 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 08:23:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RX505 tire change. In-Reply-To: <1321972172.71165.YahooMailNeo@web110116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1321979018.30689.YahooMailClassic@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Perry, I would also like a copy.  I don't have either deck yet but hopefully someday soon!Thank you.  Bob --- On Tue, 11/22/11, T T wrote: From: T T Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX505 tire change. To: "perry.nak at comcast.net" , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, November 22, 2011, 6:29 AM Hi Perry: I would love to be on your e-mail list for this. Thanks,JT From: "perry.nak at comcast.net" To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 8:06:25 AM Subject: [naktalk] RX505 tire change. First off, changing the tire on an RX202 is not even remotely similar to a 505. Classic transport vs a Sankyo. So pay no attention to that. Next, I have an RX303 right on my bench that is pretty identical mechanically to the 505 that needs a new tire and belt so this weekend I will take step by step photos of the proper and easy way to change them and email them to anyone that wants them. If anything, this seems to have come up a thousand times, and has been written about so many times, it has taken a life on its own. I can be reached at my naktalk email. 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URL: From francis.morrin at gmail.com Tue Nov 22 18:38:11 2011 From: francis.morrin at gmail.com (Fran Morrin) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 17:38:11 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RX505 tire change. In-Reply-To: <1321972172.71165.YahooMailNeo@web110116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <365227791-1321967185-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-533915696-@b18.c16.bise6.blackberry> <1321972172.71165.YahooMailNeo@web110116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: If this is the classic mechanism similar to the one in a 480 then there is a thread over on tapeheads about a way to fit the tire without splitting the mech. I think its called "building ships in a bottle" or something similar. Worked for me..... Fran On Nov 22, 2011 3:53 p.m., "T T" wrote: > Hi Perry: > > I would love to be on your e-mail list for this. > > Thanks, > JT > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* "perry.nak at comcast.net" > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 22, 2011 8:06:25 AM > *Subject:* [naktalk] RX505 tire change. > > First off, changing the tire on an RX202 is not even remotely similar to a > 505. Classic transport vs a Sankyo. So pay no attention to that. Next, I > have an RX303 right on my bench that is pretty identical mechanically to > the 505 that needs a new tire and belt so this weekend I will take step by > step photos of the proper and easy way to change them and email them to > anyone that wants them. If anything, this seems to have come up a thousand > times, and has been written about so many times, it has taken a life on its > own. 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URL: From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Wed Nov 23 01:01:12 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 14:01:12 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] RX505 tire change. In-Reply-To: References: <365227791-1321967185-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-533915696-@b18.c16.bise6.blackberry><1321972172.71165.YahooMailNeo@web110116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Okay, confession time. The first one I replaced (582) was done this way because I was afraid to open the transport. Be aware that it is very frustrating and is likely to take longer to accomplish that removing and opening the transport (at least for the classic). You must be very careful that you don't damage the wheel's shaft that connects the wheel/tire to the pivot arm assembly. It sounds easier to do than it is. Space is very cramped and this is coming from someone with small fingers. In the end I was successful but it took 2 weeks for my fingers to heal... I did the second one (581) the right way and it was much easier -- and yes, I was nervous about opening the transport. It was one heck of a learning experience, and after reasembling the transport incorrectly (cam alignment pin out of place) I ended up having to figure out how the transport worked so that I could fix it. No regrets. But a few digital pics of the cam, cam pin and motor, prior to dis-assembly, would have been a smart thing to do. Months ago I sent out Perry's instructions for opening the classic transport (along with comments from a complete novice hacker). After I finish cleaning up my mechanics toolbox I'll try to find that old email if anyone is interested. Aloha, Cheryl _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fran Morrin Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 7:38 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; T T Cc: perry.nak at comcast.net Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX505 tire change. If this is the classic mechanism similar to the one in a 480 then there is a thread over on tapeheads about a way to fit the tire without splitting the mech. I think its called "building ships in a bottle" or something similar. Worked for me..... Fran On Nov 22, 2011 3:53 p.m., "T T" wrote: Hi Perry: I would love to be on your e-mail list for this. Thanks, JT _____ From: "perry.nak at comcast.net" To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 8:06:25 AM Subject: [naktalk] RX505 tire change. First off, changing the tire on an RX202 is not even remotely similar to a 505. Classic transport vs a Sankyo. So pay no attention to that. Next, I have an RX303 right on my bench that is pretty identical mechanically to the 505 that needs a new tire and belt so this weekend I will take step by step photos of the proper and easy way to change them and email them to anyone that wants them. 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(SOLVED) In-Reply-To: <20111122142722.BA455D3F@m0005296.ppops.net> References: <20111122142722.BA455D3F@m0005296.ppops.net> Message-ID: Willy is the man! Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 14:27:22 -0800 From: next at muchomail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Problem: Nak RX-505E keeps rewinding on startup! (SOLVED) Hi guys, Well, I finally solved the problem with the constant rewinding at startuo. There weren't any problems with the Cam Motor or anything related to the Cam Control. After Willy suggested I measure the voltages on the power supply rails, I found out that three of them, MD3, MD4 and LD7, didn't have -12V on them like they're supposed to. So, I checked the connecting caps and found a faulty one at C407, rated at 100my 25V. After replacing the defective cap, the RX-505E starts up and runs without any problems :-) Thanks for reading, Peter The Free Email with so much more! =====> http://www.MuchoMail.com <===== ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From next at muchomail.com Wed Nov 23 18:29:45 2011 From: next at muchomail.com (MWB) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 09:29:45 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Seeking advice on restoring lettering on '80s black Nakamichi buttons Message-ID: <20111123092945.BA463D26@m0005299.ppops.net> Hi, I've had a couple of Nakamichis such as the Dragon and RX-505E and I've noticed that the gold lettering on the buttons is rather thin/weak and gets worn off quite easily over time. So far, I've been avoiding pressing directly on the lettering, but it would be great if there was some way to repair the silk screen print. Does anyone have suggestions on restoring/remaking the goldish lettering/symbols on the buttons which is typical on the black Nakamichis of the '80s? Maybe some kind of transfer tape or label maker? Best regards, Peter _____________________________________________________________ The Free Email with so much more! =====> http://www.MuchoMail.com <===== From next at muchomail.com Wed Nov 23 21:43:37 2011 From: next at muchomail.com (MWB) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 12:43:37 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] How about we make a Nakamichi Letraset custom dry transfer for worn buttons? Message-ID: <20111123124337.BA3DC82B@resin03.mta.everyone.net> Quite a few Nakamichis over the years are probably missing the signature Nakamichi gold lettering/symbols on the most used buttons. It would seem that the silk screen print isn't the most durable as one would hope, since the "Gold" era Nakamichis such as the Dragon, the RX-, ZX- and CR-series are all quite suseptile to the lettering wearing off the buttons under normal use. I thought that one solution to this common problem is to redo the buttons by using a Letraset Custom Dry Transfer. If we could match the "gold" color using PANTONE color system and transfer the gold lettering on every model in high resolution to a A4 sheet, we would be able to order a sheet from Letraset at http://www.letraset.com/products/113-Colour/ . This could be an affordable solution to all those missing letters. I'm thinking: 1. Photograph every button on every model 2. Clean and rescale the text/sumbols into black positive artwork 3. Set up a single A4 or - if possible - two A5 pages with the all the lettering and symbols What do you think? Any ideas or suggestions? Sincerely, Peter _____________________________________________________________ The Free Email with so much more! =====> http://www.MuchoMail.com <===== From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com Thu Nov 24 07:49:46 2011 From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 07:49:46 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] How about we make a Nakamichi Letraset custom dry transfer for worn buttons? In-Reply-To: <20111123124337.BA3DC82B@resin03.mta.everyone.net> References: <20111123124337.BA3DC82B@resin03.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: If the main buttons are getting up-used, we can use small screen "sheats" sorry I don´t know the name of it. The material who is on new mobil phone screens. Or just don´t use you finger nails to touch this buttons. For Power ON/ Off I use the main switch on a 240 Volt taple-socket. g Am 23.11.2011 um 21:43 schrieb MWB: > Quite a few Nakamichis over the years are probably missing the > signature Nakamichi gold lettering/symbols on the most used > buttons. It would seem that the silk screen print isn't the most > durable as one would hope, since the "Gold" era Nakamichis such as > the Dragon, the RX-, ZX- and CR-series are all quite suseptile to > the lettering wearing off the buttons under normal use. > > I thought that one solution to this common problem is to redo the > buttons by using a Letraset Custom Dry Transfer. > > If we could match the "gold" color using PANTONE color system and > transfer the gold lettering on every model in high resolution to a > A4 sheet, we would be able to order a sheet from Letraset at http:// > www.letraset.com/products/113-Colour/ . This could be an affordable > solution to all those missing letters. > > I'm thinking: > > 1. Photograph every button on every model > 2. Clean and rescale the text/sumbols into black positive artwork > 3. Set up a single A4 or - if possible - two A5 pages with the all > the lettering and symbols > > What do you think? Any ideas or suggestions? > > Sincerely, > Peter > > _____________________________________________________________ > The Free Email with so much more! > =====> http://www.MuchoMail.com <===== > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From ct.waveform at googlemail.com Thu Nov 24 04:54:19 2011 From: ct.waveform at googlemail.com (Christian Thomas) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 03:54:19 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] How about we make a Nakamichi Letraset custom dry transfer for worn buttons? In-Reply-To: <20111123124337.BA3DC82B@resin03.mta.everyone.net> References: <20111123124337.BA3DC82B@resin03.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: I'd guess that you should be able to get it, or something very close, off the shelf. It's not a custom font. But I suggest you may need a coating of some sort, like you see on keyboards, else the letters would just come straight off again. Things may have advanced since I last used Letraset in anger, but the last thing you want are those flimsy letters by themselves under people's fingers. They'd really need to cover more than just the shape of the letters but go outside them as well. And the adhesive would have to be a bit more durable than I remember. Christian On 23 November 2011 20:43, MWB wrote: > Quite a few Nakamichis over the years are probably missing the signature > Nakamichi gold lettering/symbols on the most used buttons. It would seem > that the silk screen print isn't the most durable as one would hope, since > the "Gold" era Nakamichis such as the Dragon, the RX-, ZX- and CR-series > are all quite suseptile to the lettering wearing off the buttons under > normal use. > > I thought that one solution to this common problem is to redo the buttons > by using a Letraset Custom Dry Transfer. > > If we could match the "gold" color using PANTONE color system and transfer > the gold lettering on every model in high resolution to a A4 sheet, we > would be able to order a sheet from Letraset at > http://www.letraset.com/products/113-Colour/ . This could be an > affordable solution to all those missing letters. > > I'm thinking: > > 1. Photograph every button on every model > 2. Clean and rescale the text/sumbols into black positive artwork > 3. Set up a single A4 or - if possible - two A5 pages with the all the > lettering and symbols > > What do you think? Any ideas or suggestions? > > Sincerely, > Peter > > _____________________________________________________________ > The Free Email with so much more! > =====> http://www.MuchoMail.com <===== > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Christian Thomas Has just (on 15/10/11) solved the root problem of loudspeaker and crossover design, after 25 years. It is so simple once you have pieced it together. I now need your investment to keep the work going and complete the product range including amplifier. Current price approx £3000/percent, up to 20% - covering approx 6 months and then proper fundraising for production. 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Applying Letraset on flat paper on a drawing board is relatively easy, but doing it on an odd shaped button was not. I had better success doing front panels, though. -- Ron >________________________________ > From: MWB >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 3:43 PM >Subject: [naktalk] How about we make a Nakamichi Letraset custom dry transfer for worn buttons? > >Quite a few Nakamichis over the years are probably missing the signature Nakamichi gold lettering/symbols on the most used buttons.  It would seem that the silk screen print isn't the most durable as one would hope, since the "Gold" era Nakamichis such as the Dragon, the RX-, ZX- and CR-series are all quite suseptile to the lettering wearing off the buttons under normal use. > >I thought that one solution to this common problem is to redo the buttons by using a Letraset Custom Dry Transfer. > >If we could match the "gold" color using PANTONE color system and transfer the gold lettering on every model in high resolution to a A4 sheet, we would be able to order a sheet from Letraset at http://www.letraset.com/products/113-Colour/ . This could be an affordable solution to all those missing letters. > >I'm thinking: > >1. Photograph every button on every model >2. Clean and rescale the text/sumbols into black positive artwork >3. Set up a single A4 or - if possible - two A5 pages with the all the lettering and symbols > >What do you think? Any ideas or suggestions? > >Sincerely, >Peter > >_____________________________________________________________ >The Free Email with so much more! >=====> http://www.MuchoMail.com <===== >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Playback sounds excellent, but there is a problem on Record, in that all I get on the tape is a rustling noise. I can just get a calibration signal to record - just - if I turn the front-panel bias and level controls fully CW. Is this likely to be an 'orange cap' issue or is there a logic switch somewhere that is worth checking out? 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URL: From joyell.solie at sasktel.net Fri Nov 25 22:11:48 2011 From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell) Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 15:11:48 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Not Recording References: <959F9EC4914C4D848BDEE130CEA2B283@Magdallen> Message-ID: <001001ccabb6$d8fbcd00$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Keith, I just did the bias caps on my ZX9, (not sure if they are exacly the same) and left main board in place and just loosened the board beneath it to gain better access to the top of the board to insert the new caps. Could have installed new caps to bottom of board without even doing that. Mine had the main board facing down with silk screening on the bottom(facing up) so turned out to be quit easy! Cheers, Rainer ----- Original Message ----- From: Lucidsounds To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Not Recording Thanks - I checked the four orange caps in the bias oscillator and they were waaay out. But I had to dismantle virtually the entire machine just to get to the main board which seems crazy. Took hours. And that means more hours reassembling it to test it. Is there any easy way of working on the main board without having to take the whole front off? How would you diagnose a fault otherwise? Crazy! ----- Original Message ----- From: Willy Hermann To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Not Recording Try replacing C306/C307 in the bias oscillator circuit. That's the usual cause. Willy On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Lucidsounds wrote: I picked up a very nice condition ZX-7. Playback sounds excellent, but there is a problem on Record, in that all I get on the tape is a rustling noise. I can just get a calibration signal to record - just - if I turn the front-panel bias and level controls fully CW. Is this likely to be an 'orange cap' issue or is there a logic switch somewhere that is worth checking out? 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URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Fri Nov 25 22:19:41 2011 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 13:19:41 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Not Recording In-Reply-To: References: <959F9EC4914C4D848BDEE130CEA2B283@Magdallen> Message-ID: You shouldn't have to take the front off to get to the bias oscillator caps. They're on the top board toward the left side. You can loosen that board and get to those caps reasonably easily. Willy On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Lucidsounds wrote: > ** > Thanks - I checked the four orange caps in the bias oscillator and they > were waaay out. But I had to dismantle virtually the entire machine just > to get to the main board which seems crazy. Took hours. And that means > more hours reassembling it to test it. > > Is there any easy way of working on the main board without having to take > the whole front off? How would you diagnose a fault otherwise? > > Crazy! > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Willy Hermann > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Thursday, November 17, 2011 10:04 PM > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Not Recording > > Try replacing C306/C307 in the bias oscillator circuit. That's the usual > cause. > > Willy > > On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Lucidsounds wrote: > >> ** >> I picked up a very nice condition ZX-7. Playback sounds excellent, but >> there is a problem on Record, in that all I get on the tape is a rustling >> noise. I can just get a calibration signal to record - just - if I turn >> the front-panel bias and level controls fully CW. >> >> Is this likely to be an 'orange cap' issue or is there a logic switch >> somewhere that is worth checking out? >> >> Many thanks in advance, >> >> Keith. >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > ------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lucidsound at ic24.net Fri Nov 25 22:31:29 2011 From: lucidsound at ic24.net (Lucidsounds) Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 21:31:29 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Not Recording References: <959F9EC4914C4D848BDEE130CEA2B283@Magdallen> <001001ccabb6$d8fbcd00$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Message-ID: <2E3E883A070140C9A0DB9CD60F1FB025@Magdallen> Hi Rainer, Yes that might be the answer. Thanks for that, mine is the same configuration as yours so will give it a try. Cheers! ----- Original Message ----- From: Rainer & Joy-Ell To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Not Recording Keith, I just did the bias caps on my ZX9, (not sure if they are exacly the same) and left main board in place and just loosened the board beneath it to gain better access to the top of the board to insert the new caps. Could have installed new caps to bottom of board without even doing that. Mine had the main board facing down with silk screening on the bottom(facing up) so turned out to be quit easy! Cheers, Rainer ----- Original Message ----- From: Lucidsounds To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Not Recording Thanks - I checked the four orange caps in the bias oscillator and they were waaay out. But I had to dismantle virtually the entire machine just to get to the main board which seems crazy. Took hours. And that means more hours reassembling it to test it. Is there any easy way of working on the main board without having to take the whole front off? How would you diagnose a fault otherwise? Crazy! ----- Original Message ----- From: Willy Hermann To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Not Recording Try replacing C306/C307 in the bias oscillator circuit. That's the usual cause. Willy On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Lucidsounds wrote: I picked up a very nice condition ZX-7. Playback sounds excellent, but there is a problem on Record, in that all I get on the tape is a rustling noise. I can just get a calibration signal to record - just - if I turn the front-panel bias and level controls fully CW. Is this likely to be an 'orange cap' issue or is there a logic switch somewhere that is worth checking out? 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URL: From spacepup at hotmail.com Sat Nov 26 04:08:09 2011 From: spacepup at hotmail.com (Sean Reid) Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 22:08:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Polaroid cassettes In-Reply-To: <1321851478.8654.YahooMailClassic@web83711.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1321851478.8654.YahooMailClassic@web83711.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: i just ordered up a few boxes of these... if anyone wants to try one out before purchasing (minimum order on that website is a box of 10) let me know. Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 20:57:58 -0800 From: jeruff at yahoo.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Polaroid cassettes Anyone see/try these? Look interesting at least... http://www.totalmedia.com/store/audio-1/cassettes-1233/?gclid=CPml25v4xqwCFacEQAodo34jrA Notice the Sony Metals they're selling too... ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lucidsound at ic24.net Sat Nov 26 15:33:04 2011 From: lucidsound at ic24.net (Lucidsounds) Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 14:33:04 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? References: <959F9EC4914C4D848BDEE130CEA2B283@Magdallen><001001ccabb6$d8fbcd00$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> <2E3E883A070140C9A0DB9CD60F1FB025@Magdallen> Message-ID: Having resolved the bias problem, I can now see that the playback response drops off sharply. The reason being the heads look to be well worn on this machine. Any suggestions as to what can be done about that? Are they even available? Thanks, Lucid. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alpha at iinet.net.au Sat Nov 26 12:13:02 2011 From: alpha at iinet.net.au (Nigel Day) Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 19:13:02 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nak decks for sale In-Reply-To: References: <6C6633EA-6B76-4515-BFE9-FD5976C4C32B@orange.fr>, , , Message-ID: Hi Sean I contacted you recently about the Dragon. Is it still for sale? Do you have any pictures? What is the asking price? Regards Nigel -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Sean Reid Sent: Thursday, 17 November 2011 6:15 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak decks for sale i'm asking $550, comes with wired remote and copies of service/user manual... will have pics this evening thanks, Sean ________________________________ From: upshaw937 at msn.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak decks for sale Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 20:06:32 +0000 hi ya sean, how much are u asking forthe rx505 ________________________________ From: spacepup at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak decks for sale Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 01:08:02 -0500 Hi everyone, I have 3 Nakamichi decks available for sale, as follows: Nakamichi Dragon Nakamichi LX-5 Nakamichi RX-505 all are in perfect working condition (2 recently repaired, one repaired approx. 2 years ago, with little use since) cosmetically, they are all in wonderful shape as well (between about an 8.5 to 10 out of 10 condition). they all come with some kind of bonus (remote controls, product boxes, service/user manuals) I can provide pics/videos of any of these units on request. Please contact me for details. Thanks in advance, Sean ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Nov 26 17:20:31 2011 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 08:20:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Polaroid cassettes In-Reply-To: References: <1321851478.8654.YahooMailClassic@web83711.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1322324431.4322.YahooMailNeo@web112713.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Let us know how these are. BTW, I shall send those SA pics soon. Been busy with kids back from college  and the holiday! Ram. ________________________________ From: Sean Reid To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 10:08 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Polaroid cassettes i just ordered up a few boxes of these... if anyone wants to try one out before purchasing (minimum order on that website is a box of 10) let me know. ________________________________ Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 20:57:58 -0800 From: jeruff at yahoo.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Polaroid cassettes Anyone see/try these?  Look interesting at least... http://www.totalmedia.com/store/audio-1/cassettes-1233/?gclid=CPml25v4xqwCFacEQAodo34jrA Notice the Sony Metals they're selling too... ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joyell.solie at sasktel.net Sat Nov 26 18:36:10 2011 From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell) Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 11:36:10 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? References: <959F9EC4914C4D848BDEE130CEA2B283@Magdallen><001001ccabb6$d8fbcd00$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0><2E3E883A070140C9A0DB9CD60F1FB025@Magdallen> Message-ID: <001001ccac61$e3cb52e0$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> I would make sure heads are in alignment, absolutely crucial to good performance! Cheers, Rainer ----- Original Message ----- From: Lucidsounds To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 8:33 AM Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? Having resolved the bias problem, I can now see that the playback response drops off sharply. The reason being the heads look to be well worn on this machine. Any suggestions as to what can be done about that? Are they even available? Thanks, Lucid. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lucidsound at ic24.net Sat Nov 26 19:28:31 2011 From: lucidsound at ic24.net (Lucidsounds) Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 18:28:31 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? References: <959F9EC4914C4D848BDEE130CEA2B283@Magdallen><001001ccabb6$d8fbcd00$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0><2E3E883A070140C9A0DB9CD60F1FB025@Magdallen> <001001ccac61$e3cb52e0$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Message-ID: Alignment is not the problem, the problem is what looks like rust across the face of the heads. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rainer & Joy-Ell To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? I would make sure heads are in alignment, absolutely crucial to good performance! Cheers, Rainer ----- Original Message ----- From: Lucidsounds To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 8:33 AM Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? Having resolved the bias problem, I can now see that the playback response drops off sharply. The reason being the heads look to be well worn on this machine. Any suggestions as to what can be done about that? Are they even available? 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URL: From tom_chr at jubii.dk Sat Nov 26 17:38:09 2011 From: tom_chr at jubii.dk (T C R) Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 08:38:09 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Info about Original Nakamichi Remotes? Message-ID: Hi, I have been trying to find some information regarding the Nakamichi Remotes. So far I have gathered the following: RM-5 - Nakamichi Standard Remote Control RM-7C - Nakamichi Wireless CR-7 Remote RM-15 - Nakamichi RX-505 Remote RM-20 - Nakamichi Dragon Remote RM-580 - Nakamichi Wireless Remote It seems that the original remotes were optional, thus are pretty hard to come by these days. What is the rarest? - Michael

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So far I have gathered the following: RM-5 - Nakamichi Standard Remote Control RM-7C - Nakamichi Wireless CR-7 Remote RM-15 - Nakamichi RX-505 Remote RM-20 - Nakamichi Dragon Remote RM-580 - Nakamichi Wireless Remote It seems that the original remotes were optional, thus are pretty hard to come by these days. What is the rarest? - Michael _______________________________________________________________ Vær med til at sikre en levende verden - Klik her! Din første blækpatron til skriveren byder vi på - hurtig levering! - www.inkClub.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Happy Holidays. ________________________________ From: tom_chr at jubii.dk To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 08:38:09 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Info about Original Nakamichi Remotes? Hi, I have been trying to find some information regarding the Nakamichi Remotes. So far I have gathered the following: RM-5 - Nakamichi Standard Remote Control RM-7C - Nakamichi Wireless CR-7 Remote RM-15 - Nakamichi RX-505 Remote RM-20 - Nakamichi Dragon Remote RM-580 - Nakamichi Wireless Remote It seems that the original remotes were optional, thus are pretty hard to come by these days. What is the rarest? - Michael _______________________________________________________________ Vær med til at sikre en levende verden - Klik her! 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URL: From bagua_dao at yahoo.com Sun Nov 27 06:06:44 2011 From: bagua_dao at yahoo.com (ying yang) Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 21:06:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Info about Original Nakamichi Remotes? In-Reply-To: <1322351555.36642.YahooMailNeo@web112711.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1322351555.36642.YahooMailNeo@web112711.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1322370404.14699.YahooMailNeo@web122510.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Would not a wireless remote provide more freedom of movement distance-wise then a wired remote ? Any wired remote would be restricted by the length of the cable. If the cable is say 3 meters (9feet) for purpose of Play, Pause, FF, Rewind, Stop operations then it is not much of a help then against getting up and down and walking to an fro between the deck and the chair. Is there any other facility other then those mentioned above that attracts deck owners to want a wired remote ? ________________________________ From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Info about Original Nakamichi Remotes? Yep. I saw that one for $399. I have seen the Rm-20 go for an average of $225-260 regularly. Its surprising that I have bought Dragons ( working) on ebay for $399 some years ago. Ram. ________________________________ From: Mark Exstedt To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 4:46 PM Subject: FW: [naktalk] Info about Original Nakamichi Remotes?   The highest price of any Nak remote I came across on Ebay was an RM-20. Sold for $399. I guess the RM-20 sells best on a global Ebay auction. Happy Holidays. ________________________________ From: tom_chr at jubii.dk To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 08:38:09 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Info about Original Nakamichi Remotes? Hi, I have been trying to find some information regarding the Nakamichi Remotes. So far I have gathered the following: RM-5 - Nakamichi Standard Remote Control RM-7C - Nakamichi Wireless CR-7 Remote RM-15 - Nakamichi RX-505 Remote RM-20 - Nakamichi Dragon Remote RM-580 - Nakamichi Wireless Remote It seems that the original remotes were optional, thus are pretty hard to come by these days. What is the rarest? - Michael _______________________________________________________________ Vær med til at sikre en levende verden - Klik her! 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URL: From davidt124 at internode.on.net Sun Nov 27 12:45:21 2011 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 21:45:21 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 head Message-ID: I happen to have a new record head for a ZX-7. It was the last of a studio's stock of them for its ZX-7s. But I was advised that it may not improve things if the play head is not replaced also. Getting a proper alignment may be what you need and sufficient even if the heads are a little worn. David >Message: 1 >Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 14:33:04 -0000 >From: "Lucidsounds" >Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >Having resolved the bias problem, I can now see that the playback response drops off >sharply. The reason being the heads look to be well worn on this machine. >Any suggestions as to what can be done about that? 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Perry Esposito - From my phone From tango0040 at yahoo.com Sun Nov 27 16:03:43 2011 From: tango0040 at yahoo.com (T T) Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 07:03:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RX303 tire replacement In-Reply-To: <1812019135-1322397637-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-835814249-@b18.c16.bise6.blackberry> References: <1812019135-1322397637-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-835814249-@b18.c16.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <1322406223.80610.YahooMailNeo@web110102.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Perry: I did not get the link to the pics and instructions, please advise. Thanks, JT ________________________________ From: "perry.nak at comcast.net" To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 7:40:38 AM Subject: [naktalk] RX303 tire replacement Everyone that emailed me should have gotten an email link to the pics and instructions. Let me know of any questions or problems. Perry Esposito - From my phone ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Sun Nov 27 18:30:26 2011 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 09:30:26 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Info about Original Nakamichi Remotes? In-Reply-To: <1322370404.14699.YahooMailNeo@web122510.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1322351555.36642.YahooMailNeo@web112711.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1322370404.14699.YahooMailNeo@web122510.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: You must remember the vintage of these machines. Wireless remotes were not generally available during the production of the majority of the machines in question. I remember how amazed everyone was when the CR-7A came out that you could adjust the azimuth from across the room! Wired remotes were great in that they were remote. We all put up with the wires because there was no alternative. Willy On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 9:06 PM, ying yang wrote: > Would not a wireless remote provide more freedom of movement distance-wise > then a wired remote ? > > > Any wired remote would be restricted by the length of the cable. If the > cable is say 3 meters (9feet) for purpose of Play, Pause, FF, Rewind, Stop > operations then it is not much of a help then against getting up and down > and walking to an fro between the deck and the chair. Is there any other > facility other then those mentioned above that attracts deck owners to want > a wired remote ? > > ------------------------------ > *From:* shanti ramachandran > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Sunday, November 27, 2011 7:52 AM > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Info about Original Nakamichi Remotes? > > Yep. I saw that one for $399. I have seen the Rm-20 go for an average of > $225-260 regularly. > Its surprising that I have bought Dragons ( working) on ebay for $399 some > years ago. > > Ram. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Mark Exstedt > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Sent:* Saturday, November 26, 2011 4:46 PM > *Subject:* FW: [naktalk] Info about Original Nakamichi Remotes? > > > The highest price of any Nak remote I came across on Ebay was an RM-20. > Sold for $399. > I guess the RM-20 sells best on a global Ebay auction. > Happy Holidays. > ------------------------------ > From: tom_chr at jubii.dk > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 08:38:09 -0800 > Subject: [naktalk] Info about Original Nakamichi Remotes? > > Hi, > > I have been trying to find some information regarding the Nakamichi > Remotes. So far I have gathered the following: > > RM-5 - Nakamichi Standard Remote Control > RM-7C - Nakamichi Wireless CR-7 Remote > RM-15 - Nakamichi RX-505 Remote > RM-20 - Nakamichi Dragon Remote > RM-580 - Nakamichi Wireless Remote > > It seems that the original remotes were optional, thus are pretty hard to > come by these days. What is the rarest? > > - Michael > _______________________________________________________________ > > Vær med til at sikre en levende verden - Klik her! > Din første blækpatron til skriveren byder vi på - hurtig levering! - > www.inkClub.com > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! > http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alphonse_lessourci at yahoo.com Sun Nov 27 20:17:13 2011 From: alphonse_lessourci at yahoo.com (Alphonse Lessourci) Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 20:17:13 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RX303 tire replacement In-Reply-To: <1812019135-1322397637-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-835814249-@b18.c16.bise6.blackberry> References: <1812019135-1322397637-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-835814249-@b18.c16.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <4ED28CB9.3080208@yahoo.com> Le 27/11/2011 13:40, perry.nak at comcast.net a écrit : > Everyone that emailed me should have gotten an email link to the pics and instructions. Let me know of any questions or problems. > Perry Esposito - From my phone > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Hi Perry I did not either receive the link. Al From shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz Sun Nov 27 22:53:05 2011 From: shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz (shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:53:05 +1300 (NZDT) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? In-Reply-To: <201111271106.pARB05wp008099@zxe.naks.com> References: <201111271106.pARB05wp008099@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: That sounds more like Oxide build up.. heads need a good clean?? > Alignment is not the problem, the problem is what looks like rust across > the face of the heads. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rainer & Joy-Ell > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 5:36 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? > > > I would make sure heads are in alignment, absolutely crucial to good > performance! > > Cheers, > Rainer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lucidsounds > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 8:33 AM > Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? > > > Having resolved the bias problem, I can now see that the playback > response drops off sharply. The reason being the heads look to be > well worn on this machine. > > Any suggestions as to what can be done about that? Are they even > available? > > Thanks, > > Lucid. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From lucidsound at ic24.net Sun Nov 27 23:42:02 2011 From: lucidsound at ic24.net (Lucidsounds) Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 22:42:02 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? References: <201111271106.pARB05wp008099@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Indeed, but IPA and even a drop of acetone won't shift it. Ideas? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 9:53 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? > That sounds more like Oxide build up.. heads need a good clean?? > >> Alignment is not the problem, the problem is what looks like rust across >> the face of the heads. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Rainer & Joy-Ell >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 5:36 PM >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >> >> >> I would make sure heads are in alignment, absolutely crucial to good >> performance! >> >> Cheers, >> Rainer >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Lucidsounds >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 8:33 AM >> Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >> >> >> Having resolved the bias problem, I can now see that the playback >> response drops off sharply. The reason being the heads look to be >> well worn on this machine. >> >> Any suggestions as to what can be done about that? Are they even >> available? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Lucid. >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Mon Nov 28 04:08:01 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 17:08:01 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? In-Reply-To: References: <201111271106.pARB05wp008099@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: The 582 I bought off ebay looked like the heads were rusted -- even under 3x magnification it looked like rust. The top layer was very hard to get off -- it was like it had hardened into something impervious to solvents. But after working at it and saturating the rust colored substance numerous times it began to soften and come off. It took about 9 rounds of cleaning with new q-tips each time to finally get it all off. Eventually a nice, smooth, shiny head was revealed. Aloha, Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Lucidsounds Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 12:42 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? Indeed, but IPA and even a drop of acetone won't shift it. Ideas? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 9:53 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? > That sounds more like Oxide build up.. heads need a good clean?? > >> Alignment is not the problem, the problem is what looks like rust across >> the face of the heads. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Rainer & Joy-Ell >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 5:36 PM >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >> >> >> I would make sure heads are in alignment, absolutely crucial to good >> performance! >> >> Cheers, >> Rainer >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Lucidsounds >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 8:33 AM >> Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >> >> >> Having resolved the bias problem, I can now see that the playback >> response drops off sharply. The reason being the heads look to be >> well worn on this machine. >> >> Any suggestions as to what can be done about that? Are they even >> available? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Lucid. >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From perry.nak at comcast.net Mon Nov 28 13:29:25 2011 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 12:29:25 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Remotes? Message-ID: <1158008861-1322483365-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-76998918-@b18.c16.bise6.blackberry> There is also the RM-100, 200, &300. They are even earlier versions for earlier decks. The 200 is the same as the RM-5 functionally. The main reason I want them (I have 7) is because they are original and some what unique and rare. Scott Johnson is the definitive Nak remote expert and has a web page. Perry Esposito - From my phone From shoeihell at yahoo.com Mon Nov 28 16:23:45 2011 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 07:23:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk]Re: Info about Original Nakamichi Remotes? In-Reply-To: <201111281117.pASB8OO1012459@zxe.naks.com> References: <201111281117.pASB8OO1012459@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <1322493825.91234.YahooMailNeo@web120709.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Scott Johnson, a member here, has his own informative Nak site and builds wireless remote systems for all Naks where possible. It won't say 'Nak' and you won't pay almost as much for his system as you did your deck, but they work just fine.  Kevin ________________________________ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 09:30:26 -0800 From: Willy Hermann Subject: Re: [naktalk] Info about Original Nakamichi Remotes? To: ying yang ,    Talk about Nakamichi Cassette     Decks Message-ID:     Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" You must remember the vintage of these machines.  Wireless remotes were not generally available during the production of the majority of the machines in question.  I remember how amazed everyone was when the CR-7A came out that you could adjust the azimuth from across the room!  Wired remotes were great in that they were remote.  We all put up with the wires because there was no alternative. Willy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rajivdallas at gmail.com Mon Nov 28 16:34:26 2011 From: rajivdallas at gmail.com (rajivdallas at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 15:34:26 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] How to control CR7A from a Harmony remote... Message-ID: <2025798049-1322494464-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1496761489-@b15.c7.bise6.blackberry> I recently got myself a Harmony remote and saw their website had the Nak CR7 listed in it database. My question is - What do I need to hook up to the CR7 as a receiver to respond to the Harmony commands? Is there something available out there or something I need to build and if so how? Thanks Rajiv Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr Mon Nov 28 18:10:33 2011 From: bernard.boitrel at univ-rennes1.fr (boitrel) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 18:10:33 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] How to control CR7A from a Harmony remote... In-Reply-To: <2025798049-1322494464-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1496761489-@b15.c7.bise6.blackberry> References: <2025798049-1322494464-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1496761489-@b15.c7.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <4ED3C089.3010203@univ-rennes1.fr> You simply connect your Harmony to your computer with the wire supplied, and configure the remote for the CR-7 that you find on their database et voila, it works beautifully! Once configured, it becomes obvious which buttons work for the + and - azimuth bernard Le 28/11/2011 16:34, rajivdallas at gmail.com a écrit : > I recently got myself a Harmony remote and saw their website had the Nak CR7 listed in it database. > > My question is - What do I need to hook up to the CR7 as a receiver to respond to the Harmony commands? Is there something available out there or something I need to build and if so how? > > Thanks > Rajiv > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From lucidsound at ic24.net Mon Nov 28 19:31:52 2011 From: lucidsound at ic24.net (Lucidsounds) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 18:31:52 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? References: <201111271106.pARB05wp008099@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Yes that sounds like the same thing. The problem I have with the ZX-7 is the door and pad lifter are in the way as well, so I think I need to remove those and then hopefully that will give me better access. Someone suggested a wooden toothpick together with some strong solvents. I don't think the deck has had a bad life, because the mechanics are all in good order and cosmetics are good. Lack of use in a damp environment perhaps? Thanks for replying! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryl Kaupp" To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 3:08 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? > > The 582 I bought off ebay looked like the heads were rusted -- even under > 3x > magnification it looked like rust. > > The top layer was very hard to get off -- it was like it had hardened into > something impervious to solvents. But after working at it and saturating > the > rust colored substance numerous times it began to soften and come off. It > took about 9 rounds of cleaning with new q-tips each time to finally get > it > all off. Eventually a nice, smooth, shiny head was revealed. > > Aloha, > Cheryl > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Lucidsounds > Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 12:42 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? > > Indeed, but IPA and even a drop of acetone won't shift it. Ideas? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 9:53 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? > > >> That sounds more like Oxide build up.. heads need a good clean?? >> >>> Alignment is not the problem, the problem is what looks like rust across >>> the face of the heads. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Rainer & Joy-Ell >>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 5:36 PM >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >>> >>> >>> I would make sure heads are in alignment, absolutely crucial to good >>> performance! >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Rainer >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Lucidsounds >>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 8:33 AM >>> Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >>> >>> >>> Having resolved the bias problem, I can now see that the playback >>> response drops off sharply. The reason being the heads look to be >>> well worn on this machine. >>> >>> Any suggestions as to what can be done about that? Are they even >>> available? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Lucid. >>> >>> >>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- >>> >>> >>> >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Mon Nov 28 20:30:50 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 09:30:50 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? In-Reply-To: References: <201111271106.pARB05wp008099@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: You will definitely need to remove the pad lifter to do a thorough cleaning. Make a note on the orientation as I seem to recall there was a slight difference on the front edge versus the back edge. Or, it could have just been my old eyes... I don't think you need to remove the door on your ZX (besides, it can be a real pain). On the 581/582 the clear plastic panel is easy to remove. You just grab it at the top and pull if off. To re-install you need to make sure you insert the bottom edge correctly. On the 682zx the clear plastic panel has a small thumbscrew on each side that holds it on. Don't know how it works on the ZX-7 but it is likely similar to these other models and is easily removeable. Yeah, Nakamichi thought of darn near everything. Once you get the clear plastic panel out of the door you will have really good access for head cleaning. Have fun and report back! Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Lucidsounds Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 8:32 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? Yes that sounds like the same thing. The problem I have with the ZX-7 is the door and pad lifter are in the way as well, so I think I need to remove those and then hopefully that will give me better access. Someone suggested a wooden toothpick together with some strong solvents. I don't think the deck has had a bad life, because the mechanics are all in good order and cosmetics are good. Lack of use in a damp environment perhaps? Thanks for replying! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryl Kaupp" To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 3:08 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? > > The 582 I bought off ebay looked like the heads were rusted -- even under > 3x > magnification it looked like rust. > > The top layer was very hard to get off -- it was like it had hardened into > something impervious to solvents. But after working at it and saturating > the > rust colored substance numerous times it began to soften and come off. It > took about 9 rounds of cleaning with new q-tips each time to finally get > it > all off. Eventually a nice, smooth, shiny head was revealed. > > Aloha, > Cheryl > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Lucidsounds > Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 12:42 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? > > Indeed, but IPA and even a drop of acetone won't shift it. Ideas? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 9:53 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? > > >> That sounds more like Oxide build up.. heads need a good clean?? >> >>> Alignment is not the problem, the problem is what looks like rust across >>> the face of the heads. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Rainer & Joy-Ell >>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 5:36 PM >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >>> >>> >>> I would make sure heads are in alignment, absolutely crucial to good >>> performance! >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Rainer >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Lucidsounds >>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 8:33 AM >>> Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >>> >>> >>> Having resolved the bias problem, I can now see that the playback >>> response drops off sharply. The reason being the heads look to be >>> well worn on this machine. >>> >>> Any suggestions as to what can be done about that? Are they even >>> available? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Lucid. >>> >>> >>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- >>> >>> >>> >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hvd51 at verizon.net Mon Nov 28 20:08:07 2011 From: hvd51 at verizon.net (Horace Dufresne) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:08:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] cassette deck 2 Message-ID: Hi, I have been watching this forum for some time now and have gotten info . I now have question about a cassette deck 2 I just got for very little money. The FF and RW work but it does not play. The capstan motor appears to be dead as there is 12.3 v at the motor terminals, but the motor does not turn. I have another one and the capstan runs from turn-on. Does anyone know where parts can be had. Thank you. Horace Dufresne From lucidsound at ic24.net Mon Nov 28 21:30:33 2011 From: lucidsound at ic24.net (Lucidsounds) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 20:30:33 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? References: <201111271106.pARB05wp008099@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <5E4D0B766D934AD190C5037438D8A9A0@Magdallen> On the ZX there is no glass or clear plastic panel. Weird but there you go. You can remove the outer door cover easy, but it's still a real pain trying to reach the heads, so I think that door is gonna have to come off. I can't see how you would reach down to remove the pad lifter otherwise. Both of those will make cleaning the head a whole lot easier. Will report back, Cheers! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryl Kaupp" To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 7:30 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? > > > You will definitely need to remove the pad lifter to do a thorough > cleaning. > Make a note on the orientation as I seem to recall there was a slight > difference on the front edge versus the back edge. Or, it could have just > been my old eyes... > > I don't think you need to remove the door on your ZX (besides, it can be a > real pain). > > On the 581/582 the clear plastic panel is easy to remove. You just grab it > at the top and pull if off. To re-install you need to make sure you insert > the bottom edge correctly. > > On the 682zx the clear plastic panel has a small thumbscrew on each side > that holds it on. Don't know how it works on the ZX-7 but it is likely > similar to these other models and is easily removeable. Yeah, Nakamichi > thought of darn near everything. > > Once you get the clear plastic panel out of the door you will have really > good access for head cleaning. > > Have fun and report back! > Cheryl > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Lucidsounds > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 8:32 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? > > Yes that sounds like the same thing. The problem I have with the ZX-7 is > the door and pad lifter are in the way as well, so I think I need to > remove > those and then hopefully that will give me better access. Someone > suggested > a wooden toothpick together with some strong solvents. I don't think the > deck has had a bad life, because the mechanics are all in good order and > cosmetics are good. Lack of use in a damp environment perhaps? > > Thanks for replying! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cheryl Kaupp" > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 3:08 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? > > >> >> The 582 I bought off ebay looked like the heads were rusted -- even under >> 3x >> magnification it looked like rust. >> >> The top layer was very hard to get off -- it was like it had hardened >> into >> something impervious to solvents. But after working at it and saturating >> the >> rust colored substance numerous times it began to soften and come off. It >> took about 9 rounds of cleaning with new q-tips each time to finally get >> it >> all off. Eventually a nice, smooth, shiny head was revealed. >> >> Aloha, >> Cheryl >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >> Behalf >> Of Lucidsounds >> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 12:42 PM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >> >> Indeed, but IPA and even a drop of acetone won't shift it. Ideas? >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 9:53 PM >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >> >> >>> That sounds more like Oxide build up.. heads need a good clean?? >>> >>>> Alignment is not the problem, the problem is what looks like rust >>>> across >>>> the face of the heads. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Rainer & Joy-Ell >>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 5:36 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >>>> >>>> >>>> I would make sure heads are in alignment, absolutely crucial to good >>>> performance! >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Rainer >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Lucidsounds >>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 8:33 AM >>>> Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >>>> >>>> >>>> Having resolved the bias problem, I can now see that the playback >>>> response drops off sharply. The reason being the heads look to be >>>> well worn on this machine. >>>> >>>> Any suggestions as to what can be done about that? Are they even >>>> available? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Lucid. >>>> >>>> >>>> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> >>>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: >>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> >>>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>>> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> -- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> >>>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: >>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> >>>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz Mon Nov 28 21:30:30 2011 From: shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz (shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 09:30:30 +1300 (NZDT) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? In-Reply-To: <201111281106.pASB044U012438@zxe.naks.com> References: <201111281106.pASB044U012438@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <0d4832197251c376038870a5a8faf85e.squirrel@my.actrix.co.nz> Acetone evaporates too quickly to deal with some of the really tough encrustations, same issue with the 'professional' hexane based cleaners, and sounds like you have a hard crust build up of both oxide and binder from crappy tape formulations!. This will raise eyebrows in some quarters, but in the face of, or lack of any other easy domestic option, the best thing I have found to deal with really badly crusted heads is to use a cotton bud lightly dampened with MEK and just keep at it. The important thing is that the 'bud' is just dampened with MEK, not dripping or saturated so that it minimises any potential solvent attack on the potting compounds used in the head itself. I'd begin with the MEK and if it starts to shift the oxide easily, go back to IPA straight away and see how that goes, reintroducing the MEK clean if needed to induce further breakdown or deaL with stubborn spots. Good luck > Indeed, but IPA and even a drop of acetone won't shift it. Ideas? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 9:53 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? > > >> That sounds more like Oxide build up.. heads need a good clean?? >> >>> Alignment is not the problem, the problem is what looks like rust >>> across >>> the face of the heads. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Rainer & Joy-Ell >>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 5:36 PM >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >>> >>> >>> I would make sure heads are in alignment, absolutely crucial to good >>> performance! >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Rainer >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Lucidsounds >>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 8:33 AM >>> Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >>> >>> >>> Having resolved the bias problem, I can now see that the playback >>> response drops off sharply. The reason being the heads look to be >>> well worn on this machine. >>> >>> Any suggestions as to what can be done about that? Are they even >>> available? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Lucid. >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From kaupp240 at hotmail.com Mon Nov 28 22:37:36 2011 From: kaupp240 at hotmail.com (Cheryl Kaupp) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 11:37:36 -1000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? In-Reply-To: <5E4D0B766D934AD190C5037438D8A9A0@Magdallen> References: <201111271106.pARB05wp008099@zxe.naks.com> <5E4D0B766D934AD190C5037438D8A9A0@Magdallen> Message-ID: Bummer. Hope it goes well. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Lucidsounds Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 10:31 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? On the ZX there is no glass or clear plastic panel. Weird but there you go. You can remove the outer door cover easy, but it's still a real pain trying to reach the heads, so I think that door is gonna have to come off. I can't see how you would reach down to remove the pad lifter otherwise. Both of those will make cleaning the head a whole lot easier. Will report back, Cheers! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryl Kaupp" To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 7:30 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? > > > You will definitely need to remove the pad lifter to do a thorough > cleaning. > Make a note on the orientation as I seem to recall there was a slight > difference on the front edge versus the back edge. Or, it could have just > been my old eyes... > > I don't think you need to remove the door on your ZX (besides, it can be a > real pain). > > On the 581/582 the clear plastic panel is easy to remove. You just grab it > at the top and pull if off. To re-install you need to make sure you insert > the bottom edge correctly. > > On the 682zx the clear plastic panel has a small thumbscrew on each side > that holds it on. Don't know how it works on the ZX-7 but it is likely > similar to these other models and is easily removeable. Yeah, Nakamichi > thought of darn near everything. > > Once you get the clear plastic panel out of the door you will have really > good access for head cleaning. > > Have fun and report back! > Cheryl > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Lucidsounds > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 8:32 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? > > Yes that sounds like the same thing. The problem I have with the ZX-7 is > the door and pad lifter are in the way as well, so I think I need to > remove > those and then hopefully that will give me better access. Someone > suggested > a wooden toothpick together with some strong solvents. I don't think the > deck has had a bad life, because the mechanics are all in good order and > cosmetics are good. Lack of use in a damp environment perhaps? > > Thanks for replying! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cheryl Kaupp" > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 3:08 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? > > >> >> The 582 I bought off ebay looked like the heads were rusted -- even under >> 3x >> magnification it looked like rust. >> >> The top layer was very hard to get off -- it was like it had hardened >> into >> something impervious to solvents. But after working at it and saturating >> the >> rust colored substance numerous times it began to soften and come off. It >> took about 9 rounds of cleaning with new q-tips each time to finally get >> it >> all off. Eventually a nice, smooth, shiny head was revealed. >> >> Aloha, >> Cheryl >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >> Behalf >> Of Lucidsounds >> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 12:42 PM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >> >> Indeed, but IPA and even a drop of acetone won't shift it. Ideas? >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 9:53 PM >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >> >> >>> That sounds more like Oxide build up.. heads need a good clean?? >>> >>>> Alignment is not the problem, the problem is what looks like rust >>>> across >>>> the face of the heads. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Rainer & Joy-Ell >>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 5:36 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >>>> >>>> >>>> I would make sure heads are in alignment, absolutely crucial to good >>>> performance! >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Rainer >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Lucidsounds >>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 8:33 AM >>>> Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Replacement Heads? >>>> >>>> >>>> Having resolved the bias problem, I can now see that the playback >>>> response drops off sharply. The reason being the heads look to be >>>> well worn on this machine. >>>> >>>> Any suggestions as to what can be done about that? Are they even >>>> available? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Lucid. >>>> >>>> >>>> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> >>>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: >>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> >>>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>>> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> -- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> >>>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: >>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> >>>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 28 23:44:38 2011 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:44:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk]Re: Info about Original Nakamichi Remotes? In-Reply-To: <1322493825.91234.YahooMailNeo@web120709.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <201111281117.pASB8OO1012459@zxe.naks.com> <1322493825.91234.YahooMailNeo@web120709.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1322520278.98942.YahooMailNeo@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Speaking of wireless remotes, does anyone have a Revox B710 or B710 Mk II tape deck that would be willing to test my latest unit?  The deck must have a connector in the Remote Control - Tape Drive spot on the back of the deck which not all B710's have.   Scott J. ________________________________ From: Kevin Fetner To: "naktalk at naks.com" Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 7:23 AM Subject: [naktalk]Re: Info about Original Nakamichi Remotes? Scott Johnson, a member here, has his own informative Nak site and builds wireless remote systems for all Naks where possible. It won't say 'Nak' and you won't pay almost as much for his system as you did your deck, but they work just fine.  Kevin ________________________________ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 09:30:26 -0800 From: Willy Hermann Subject: Re: [naktalk] Info about Original Nakamichi Remotes? To: ying yang ,    Talk about Nakamichi Cassette     Decks Message-ID:     Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" You must remember the vintage of these machines.  Wireless remotes were not generally available during the production of the majority of the machines in question.  I remember how amazed everyone was when the CR-7A came out that you could adjust the azimuth from across the room!  Wired remotes were great in that they were remote.  We all put up with the wires because there was no alternative. 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In-Reply-To: <1158008861-1322483365-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-76998918-@b18.c16.bise6.blackberry> References: <1158008861-1322483365-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-76998918-@b18.c16.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <1322522022.41946.YahooMailNeo@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You might find this web page useful.  It lists all the remotes that people have been listing with a list of which decks they work with. http://www.nakremotes.com/Geo/Nak_Remotes.html   ________________________________ From: "perry.nak at comcast.net" To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 4:29 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Remotes? There is also the RM-100, 200, &300. They are even earlier versions for earlier decks. The 200 is the same as the RM-5 functionally. The main reason I want them (I have 7) is because they are original and some what unique and rare. Scott Johnson is the definitive Nak remote expert and has a web page. 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Li) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 03:58:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] How to control CR7A From a Harmony remote Message-ID: <1322567929.84318.YahooMailNeo@web122511.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> As Bernard attests the codes for the CR-7A resides in the Logitech Harmony remotes database and is transferred into the Harmony remote from PC via cable.  It does work beautifully and on the Harmony 700 remote I've got am able to assign another pair of buttons for azimuth fine tuning. What drove me to the Harmony is the ability to also control the Nakamichi SR-4A receiver with the connected CR-7A.  There seems to be Nak synergy in this pairing along with a SR-3A / 670ZX paired in the heart of another system.  Both pair sound very musical and record / playback tapes wonderfully. Fred in CT -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fsclaol at yahoo.com Tue Nov 29 13:32:43 2011 From: fsclaol at yahoo.com (Fred S.C. Li) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 04:32:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Info about Original Nakamichi Remotes BEWARE Message-ID: <1322569963.62896.YahooMailNeo@web122507.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Hard wire was the only way to go LONG ago, remember hardwired telephone handsets? %>0 The RM-15 was great for the 10-20 Mins using the remote with the RX-505 I had.  Unfortunately, it was winter, low humidity and a static charge was building while I was walking on a rug and shuffling on a sofa.  When I pushed "Play / >" the charge "snapped" back to the 505 and she was never the same ever.....  Tried to have the RX repaired with no success, I hope she was able to be parted out and lives on.  RIP. So beware and make sure to ground yourself before using one of the wired remotes or support Scott or use an alternate unteathered remote.      Fred in CT -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mlszacchi at msn.com Tue Nov 29 20:39:52 2011 From: mlszacchi at msn.com (mark slusarski) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 14:39:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Rare CR-7A Opportunity Message-ID: Dear Nakamichi Enthusiasts: I have been on the Naktalk mailing list since 2010. However, this is my first posting. Prior to listing on AudiogoN or eBay I first wanted to inform the Naktalk community regarding an opportunity to acquire one of the most highly rated Nakamichi decks in rare “once in a lifetime” 10/10 mint condition. This is not your usual exaggeration. I am offering for your consideration an absolutely pristine Nakamichi CR-7A cassette deck with a total of 45 minutes of record time and 45 minutes of playback time since the date of manufacture. The sole purpose of the one side of cassette recording with playback was to demonstrate that the deck is in fully functioning operational condition despite the time in storage. I cannot imagine that there are very many vintage decks with these low minutes still in existence. I am the original owner and purchased the CR-7A new from an authorized Nakamichi dealer. The deck has been in boxed storage (original box and packing material) since the date of purchase (approx. 1990). The circumstance regarding the storage of this unit is that I am a geologist by profession and was in constant transit and had limited opportunity to indulge my hobby. I am about to enter into retirement and have other interests at this stage of my life. The CR-7A is in absolutely flawless cosmetic condition (no imperfections of any type) and as far as I am able to determine, in flawless electronic and mechanical condition (although I suspect some rubber components may need to be replaced at some time due to age). The deck includes the original owner’s manual with all Nakamichi supplied accessories including the wireless RM-7C Remote Control Unit which has never been removed from the sealed plastic bag in which it was packaged (I have been following the recent discussions regarding Nak remotes), the Nakamichi supplied polishing cloth which also has never been removed from the packaging, all promotional literature, and the limited warranty card that was included with the unit In addition to the CR-7A, I will also be offering 15 new, unused, cellophane sealed TDK MA-XG 90 Metal Position Type IV cassette tapes (Made in Japan). These were purchased at approximately the same time as the CR-7A and are packaged 5 to a box. The TDK MA-XG 90’s have a die cast alloy metal frame with stainless steel tape guide pins for durability and a lifetime warranty. These tapes were considered TDK’s premier metal cassette at the time and fully capable of demonstrating the state-of-the-art audio performance of the CR-7A. It is my understanding that these cassettes, in new condition, are rather scarce and selling for considerable money on eBay. A visit to eBay indicated a selling price per tape of $54.63 (on 09-25-11) and $84.99 (on 11-18-11). The bottom line. I have described the items as accurately as possible. I intend to sell the CR-7A, all accessories, and the 15 TDK MA-XG 90 cassette tapes as a unit. I am asking $2500 +. Make an offer. The deck in its original box to be double packed. Buyer to pay shipping costs and insurance since I cannot exercise any control over the shipping process and the potentially destructive intentions of UPS or FedEx. Should there be any interest I will only consider domestic (US) inquires at this time. I am providing my e-mail address: mlszacchi at msn.com. Any seriously interested party should use this address to contact me. I will in turn provide my telephone number as I prefer direct communication for the purpose of answering any questions that you may have. I will be glad to provide photographs. I will, however, be out of the country during December and available in January. This will provide an opportunity to consider my offer. For future reference, I also have a Nakamichi LX-5 with approximately 80 hrs. of total use that I also intend to sell. This deck has an estimated 30 hrs. of record time and 50 hrs. of playback time. It is also in excellent condition and has been in storage for many years. What else? Many other vintage equipment items of low-use (not exceeding 100 hrs.) including, for example, Audio Research and CJ integrated amps, ReVox B77 and Tandberg TD 20A R-to-R tape decks, Phase Linear (my age is showing) 400 Series 2 power amp (professionally restored at a cost of over $300 in 2009 and in storage since the restoration), PL 4000 Auto-Correlate preamp, and PL 5100 Series 2 tuner (zero minutes – only turned on once to verfy that the display lit up and the tuner powered up), John Iverson Eagle 2c power amp, Thiel CS3 (in absolutely beautiful rosewood) and other speakers, additional misc. EQ. And for what it is worth I drive a Bahama Blue ’64 VW bug (the only real Volkswagens are air-cooled) with 33,000 original miles. Sorry, it will not be offered for sale. If Naktalk is not the proper venue for this message please let me know and I apologize. Just trying to determine if there is any interest from fellow Nakamichi enthusiasts. Thank you for your consideration. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From angel9esoteric at gmail.com Tue Nov 29 21:48:20 2011 From: angel9esoteric at gmail.com (MD) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 15:48:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Rare CR-7A Opportunity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: $700 as usual. On 11/29/11, mark slusarski wrote: > > Dear Nakamichi Enthusiasts: > > I have been on the Naktalk mailing list since 2010. However, this is my > first posting. Prior to listing on AudiogoN or eBay I first wanted to > inform the Naktalk community regarding an opportunity to acquire one of the > most highly rated Nakamichi decks in rare “once in a lifetime” 10/10 mint > condition. This is not your usual exaggeration. > > I am offering for your consideration an absolutely pristine Nakamichi CR-7A > cassette deck with a total of 45 minutes of record time and 45 minutes of > playback time since the date of manufacture. The sole purpose of the one > side of cassette recording with playback was to demonstrate that the deck is > in fully functioning operational condition despite the time in storage. I > cannot imagine that there are very many vintage decks with these low minutes > still in existence. > > I am the original owner and purchased the CR-7A new from an authorized > Nakamichi dealer. The deck has been in boxed storage (original box and > packing material) since the date of purchase (approx. 1990). The > circumstance regarding the storage of this unit is that I am a geologist by > profession and was in constant transit and had limited opportunity to > indulge my hobby. I am about to enter into retirement and have other > interests at this stage of my life. > > The CR-7A is in absolutely flawless cosmetic condition (no imperfections of > any type) and as far as I am able to determine, in flawless electronic and > mechanical condition (although I suspect some rubber components may need to > be replaced at some time due to age). The deck includes the original owner’s > manual with all Nakamichi supplied accessories including the wireless RM-7C > Remote Control Unit which has never been removed from the sealed plastic bag > in which it was packaged (I have been following the recent discussions > regarding Nak remotes), the Nakamichi supplied polishing cloth which also > has never been removed from the packaging, all promotional literature, and > the limited warranty card that was included with the unit > > In addition to the CR-7A, I will also be offering 15 new, unused, cellophane > sealed TDK MA-XG 90 Metal Position Type IV cassette tapes (Made in Japan). > These were purchased at approximately the same time as the CR-7A and are > packaged 5 to a box. The TDK MA-XG 90’s have a die cast alloy metal frame > with stainless steel tape guide pins for durability and a lifetime warranty. > These tapes were considered TDK’s premier metal cassette at the time and > fully capable of demonstrating the state-of-the-art audio performance of the > CR-7A. It is my understanding that these cassettes, in new condition, are > rather scarce and selling for considerable money on eBay. A visit to eBay > indicated a selling price per tape of $54.63 (on 09-25-11) and $84.99 (on > 11-18-11). > > The bottom line. I have described the items as accurately as possible. I > intend to sell the CR-7A, all accessories, and the 15 TDK MA-XG 90 cassette > tapes as a unit. I am asking $2500 +. Make an offer. The deck in its > original box to be double packed. Buyer to pay shipping costs and insurance > since I cannot exercise any control over the shipping process and the > potentially destructive intentions of UPS or FedEx. > > Should there be any interest I will only consider domestic (US) inquires at > this time. I am providing my e-mail address: mlszacchi at msn.com. Any > seriously interested party should use this address to contact me. I will in > turn provide my telephone number as I prefer direct communication for the > purpose of answering any questions that you may have. I will be glad to > provide photographs. I will, however, be out of the country during December > and available in January. This will provide an opportunity to consider my > offer. > > For future reference, I also have a Nakamichi LX-5 with approximately 80 > hrs. of total use that I also intend to sell. This deck has an estimated 30 > hrs. of record time and 50 hrs. of playback time. It is also in excellent > condition and has been in storage for many years. What else? Many other > vintage equipment items of low-use (not exceeding 100 hrs.) including, for > example, Audio Research and CJ integrated amps, ReVox B77 and Tandberg TD > 20A R-to-R tape decks, Phase Linear (my age is showing) 400 Series 2 power > amp (professionally restored at a cost of over $300 in 2009 and in storage > since the restoration), PL 4000 Auto-Correlate preamp, and PL 5100 Series 2 > tuner (zero minutes – only turned on once to verfy that the display lit up > and the tuner powered up), John Iverson Eagle 2c power amp, Thiel CS3 (in > absolutely beautiful rosewood) and other speakers, additional misc. EQ. And > for what it is worth I drive a Bahama Blue ’64 VW bug (the only real > Volkswagens are air-cooled) with 33,000 original miles. Sorry, it will not > be offered for sale. > > If Naktalk is not the proper venue for this message please let me know and I > apologize. Just trying to determine if there is any interest from fellow > Nakamichi enthusiasts. Thank you for your consideration. From tim.skorick at gmail.com Tue Nov 29 21:55:06 2011 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 15:55:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Rare CR-7A Opportunity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thiel CS3? Wow! You have quite an enviable array of audio awesomeness! -Tim On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 2:39 PM, mark slusarski wrote: > Dear Nakamichi Enthusiasts: > > ****** > > I have been on the Naktalk mailing list since 2010. However, this is my > first posting. Prior to listing on AudiogoN or eBay I first wanted to > inform the Naktalk community regarding an opportunity to acquire one of the > most highly rated Nakamichi decks in rare “once in a lifetime” 10/10 > mint condition. This is not your usual exaggeration. > > **** > > I am offering for your consideration an absolutely pristine Nakamichi > CR-7A cassette deck with a total of 45 *minutes* of record time and 45 * > minutes* of playback time since the date of manufacture. The sole purpose > of the one side of cassette recording with playback was to demonstrate that > the deck is in fully functioning operational condition despite the time in > storage. I cannot imagine that there are very many vintage decks with these > low minutes still in existence. > > **** > > I am the original owner and purchased the CR-7A new from an authorized > Nakamichi dealer. The deck has been in boxed storage (original box and > packing material) since the date of purchase (approx. 1990). The > circumstance regarding the storage of this unit is that I am a geologist by > profession and was in constant transit and had limited opportunity to > indulge my hobby. I am about to enter into retirement and have other > interests at this stage of my life. > > **** > > The CR-7A is in absolutely flawless cosmetic condition (no imperfections > of any type) and as far as I am able to determine, in flawless electronic > and mechanical condition (although I suspect some rubber components may > need to be replaced at some time due to age). The deck includes the > original owner’s manual with all Nakamichi supplied accessories including > the wireless RM-7C Remote Control Unit which has *never* been removed > from the sealed plastic bag in which it was packaged (I have been following > the recent discussions regarding Nak remotes), the Nakamichi supplied > polishing cloth which also has *never* been removed from the packaging, > all promotional literature, and the limited warranty card that was included > with the unit > > > ** > > In addition to the CR-7A, I will also be offering 15 new, unused, > cellophane sealed TDK MA-XG 90 Metal Position Type IV cassette tapes (Made > in Japan). These were purchased at approximately the same time as the CR-7A > and are packaged 5 to a box. The TDK MA-XG 90’s have a die cast alloy > metal frame with stainless steel tape guide pins for durability and a > lifetime warranty. These tapes were considered TDK’s premier metal cassette > at the time and fully capable of demonstrating the state-of-the-art audio > performance of the CR-7A. It is my understanding that these cassettes, in > new condition, are rather scarce and selling for considerable money on > eBay. A visit to eBay indicated a selling price per tape of $54.63 (on > 09-25-11) and $84.99 (on 11-18-11). ** > > > > The bottom line. I have described the items as accurately as possible. I > intend to sell the CR-7A, all accessories, and the 15 TDK MA-XG 90 cassette > tapes as a unit. I am asking $2500 +. Make an offer. The deck in its > original box to be double packed. Buyer to pay shipping costs and insurance > since I cannot exercise any control over the shipping process and the > potentially destructive intentions of UPS or FedEx. > > **** > > Should there be any interest I will only consider domestic (US) inquires > at this time. I am providing my e-mail address: mlszacchi at msn.com. Any > seriously interested party should use this address to contact me. I will in > turn provide my telephone number as I prefer direct communication for the > purpose of answering any questions that you may have. I will be glad to > provide photographs. I will, however, be out of the country during December > and available in January. This will provide an opportunity to consider my > offer. > > **** > > For future reference, I also have a Nakamichi LX-5 with approximately 80 > hrs. of total use that I also intend to sell. This deck has an estimated 30 > hrs. of record time and 50 hrs. of playback time. It is also in > excellent condition and has been in storage for many years. What else? Many > other vintage equipment items of low-use (not exceeding 100 > hrs.) including, for example, Audio Research and CJ integrated amps, ReVox > B77 and Tandberg TD 20A R-to-R tape decks, Phase Linear (my age is showing) > 400 Series 2 power amp (professionally restored at a cost of over $300 in > 2009 and in storage since the restoration), PL 4000 Auto-Correlate preamp, > and PL 5100 Series 2 tuner (*zero* minutes – only turned on once to verfy > that the display lit up and the tuner powered up), John Iverson Eagle 2c > power amp, Thiel CS3 (in absolutely beautiful rosewood) and other speakers, > additional misc. EQ. And for what it is worth I drive a Bahama Blue ’64 VW > bug (the only real Volkswagens are air-cooled) with 33,000 original miles. > Sorry, it will *not* be offered for sale. > > **** > > If Naktalk is not the proper venue for this message please let me know and > I apologize. Just trying to determine if there is any interest from fellow > Nakamichi enthusiasts. Thank you for your consideration.**** > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fred at marrscom.com Wed Nov 30 17:51:08 2011 From: fred at marrscom.com (Fred Marrs) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 10:51:08 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 11-30-11 Marrs Communications Current Website Contents. Update ! Message-ID: <4ED65EFC.6030403@marrscom.com> 11-30-11 Hello Everyone, This website status update will more than likely remain current until 2012. Current contents consist of the Following Brands and Formats. Aiwa : Cassette Belt. Premium and Factory Kits. Akai : Cassette and R/R. Premium and Factory Kits. Ampex : Premium R/R Belt Kits. B&O : Cassette Deck, Beocenter, CD Player and Turntable Belts. BIC : Cassette Deck Kits California Audio Labs : CD Player Belts Carver : Cassette and CD Player Belts C.E.C : CD Transport Belt Kits Denon : CD Player Belts Dokorder : Premium R/R Belt Kits. Fostex : Cassette and R/R Belts. ( A-8, R-8, Limited Stock ) Harman Kardon / Rabco : Turntable Belts and Kits. Luxman : Cassette Premium. CD Player and Turntable Belts. Marantz : Cassette Premium and Factory Kits. CD Player Belts. Marantz : Premium Turntable Belts. NAD : Premium Cassette Kits Nakamichi : Factory Belt Kits. CD Player Belts. Onkyo : CD Player Belts Philips : CD Player and CD Transport Belt Kits. ( CDM-1 ). Pioneer : Cassette Premium and Factory Kits. R/R Premium Kits. Pioneer : Premium Turntable. Roberts : R/R Premium Kits. Sansui : Cassette Premium Kits. R/R Premium. Premium Turntable Belts. Sony : Cassette Premium Kits. Sony Elcaset Kits. Sony DAT Belts. Sony : CD Player Belts. Sony Walkman Belts. Premium R/R Kits. Tandberg : Azimuth Belts. Premium Cassette Kits. Premium R/R Kits. Tascam : Cassette Premium Kits. Premium R/R Belts. Teac : Cassette Premium Kits. Premium R/R Belts. Technics : Cassette Premium Kits. Premium R/R Kits. Yamaha : Cassette Premium and Factory Kits. Yamaha CD Player. Yamaha : Premium Turntable Belts. From mlszacchi at msn.com Wed Nov 30 18:33:27 2011 From: mlszacchi at msn.com (mark slusarski) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 12:33:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Rare CR-7A Opportunity - Photos Message-ID: Dear Nakamichi Enthusiasts: In response to several individuals who have requested photos of the CR-7A and TDK MA-XG 90 cassettes I described in my e-mail on 11-29-11, I am glad to comply. To the one person who wrote that my e-mail was basically BS and a pack of lies, it must be a burden to be so judgmental with such a limited grasp of the facts. 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Appreciate any comments Thanks Mike Mitchell From andrewspencer at eircom.net Tue Oct 4 12:54:14 2011 From: andrewspencer at eircom.net (Andy Spencer) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 11:54:14 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR4 Stopping During Playback Message-ID: I recently acquired a CR4 which is in excellent condition, however, has a problem of stopping during playback. On removing the cassette from the drawer there is a small loop of tape that hasn’t been wound flat in the shell (if that makes sense). It also sometimes won’t FF or REW after this has happened, however, if you go back to the deck a few days later it will work again for a few minutes before stopping. Could this be a simple capstan belt replacement job (if this is simple) or does it sound like the capstan motor needs replacing? Any suggestions of things to try before I ship this back to B&W in the UK at great cost! Your assistance is appreciated. Regards. 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Ram. --- On Tue, 10/4/11, Andy Spencer wrote: From: Andy Spencer Subject: [naktalk] CR4 Stopping During Playback To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, October 4, 2011, 6:54 AM I recently acquired a CR4 which is in excellent condition, however, has a problem of stopping during playback. On removing the cassette from the drawer there is a small loop of tape that hasn’t been wound flat in the shell (if that makes sense).   It also sometimes won’t FF or REW after this has happened, however, if you go back to the deck a few days later it will work again for a few minutes before stopping.   Could this be a simple capstan belt replacement job (if this is simple) or does it sound like the capstan motor needs replacing?   Any suggestions of things to try before I ship this back to B&W in the UK at great cost!   Your assistance is appreciated.   Regards.   Andy Dublin, Ireland -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Oct 4 17:46:23 2011 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 08:46:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR4 Stopping During Playback In-Reply-To: <1317738794.94493.YahooMailClassic@web112708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1317738794.94493.YahooMailClassic@web112708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1317743183.99065.YahooMailNeo@web160711.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> CR4/A/E  never had idler tire - All CR3 and 4 A/E decks had only gear Drive transport Since reel drive motor issue is not easily replaceable by an user - you need an Nak tech to do it kannan  From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2011 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR4 Stopping During Playback This Andy, is a typical symptom in the Snkyo mechanism decks. The culprit is either the rubber idler tire driving the reels has worn out, or the reel motor itself has lost its torque. Most likely it is the idler tire issue which is an easy fix. You can buy one here on ebay. It is a self fix. http://www.ebay.com/itm/NAKAMICHI-Cassette-Service-Idler-Tire-Repair-Part-Fix-/300359184815?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item45eecd71af Good luck. Ram. --- On Tue, 10/4/11, Andy Spencer wrote: >From: Andy Spencer >Subject: [naktalk] CR4 Stopping During Playback >To: naktalk at naks.com >Date: Tuesday, October 4, 2011, 6:54 AM > > >I recently acquired a CR4 which is in excellent condition, however, has a problem of stopping during playback. On removing >the cassette from the drawer there is a small loop of tape that hasn’t been wound flat in the shell (if that makes sense). > >It also sometimes won’t FF or REW after this has happened, however, if you go back to the deck a few days later it will work again >for a few minutes before stopping. > >Could this be a simple capstan belt replacement job (if this is simple) or does it sound like the capstan motor needs replacing? > >Any suggestions of things to try before I ship this back to B&W in the UK at great cost! > >Your assistance is appreciated. > >Regards. > >Andy >Dublin, Ireland >-----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > >========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Could this be a simple capstan belt replacement job (if this is simple) or does it sound like the capstan motor needs replacing? Any suggestions of things to try before I ship this back to B&W in the UK at great cost! Your assistance is appreciated. Regards. Andy Dublin, Ireland ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andrewspencer at eircom.net Tue Oct 4 17:47:25 2011 From: andrewspencer at eircom.net (Andy Spencer) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 16:47:25 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR4 Stopping During Playback In-Reply-To: <1317738794.94493.YahooMailClassic@web112708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1317738794.94493.YahooMailClassic@web112708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4D2067D242B94804A0073E1074DA2BF1@AndysPC> Ram Thanks for your response, I have just taken the rear metal cassette well plate off the deck and there isn’t an idler tire there it has some sort of gear mechanism there instead.of the idler tire. Does this mean it is probably the motor? Regards. Andy From: shanti ramachandran Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 3:33 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR4 Stopping During Playback This Andy, is a typical symptom in the Snkyo mechanism decks. The culprit is either the rubber idler tire driving the reels has worn out, or the reel motor itself has lost its torque. Most likely it is the idler tire issue which is an easy fix. You can buy one here on ebay. It is a self fix. http://www.ebay.com/itm/NAKAMICHI-Cassette-Service-Idler-Tire-Repair-Part-Fix-/300359184815?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item45eecd71af Good luck. Ram. --- On Tue, 10/4/11, Andy Spencer wrote: From: Andy Spencer Subject: [naktalk] CR4 Stopping During Playback To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, October 4, 2011, 6:54 AM I recently acquired a CR4 which is in excellent condition, however, has a problem of stopping during playback. On removing the cassette from the drawer there is a small loop of tape that hasn’t been wound flat in the shell (if that makes sense). It also sometimes won’t FF or REW after this has happened, however, if you go back to the deck a few days later it will work again for a few minutes before stopping. Could this be a simple capstan belt replacement job (if this is simple) or does it sound like the capstan motor needs replacing? Any suggestions of things to try before I ship this back to B&W in the UK at great cost! Your assistance is appreciated. Regards. 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URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 4 20:26:19 2011 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (Ram) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 14:26:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR4 Stopping During Playback In-Reply-To: <4D2067D242B94804A0073E1074DA2BF1@AndysPC> References: <1317738794.94493.YahooMailClassic@web112708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4D2067D242B94804A0073E1074DA2BF1@AndysPC> Message-ID: Yes it does. Sorry. Ram Sent from my iPhone On Oct 4, 2011, at 11:47 AM, "Andy Spencer" wrote: > Ram > > Thanks for your response, I have just taken the rear metal cassette well plate off the deck and there isn’t an idler tire there it has some sort of gear > mechanism there instead.of the idler tire. > > Does this mean it is probably the motor? > > Regards. > > Andy > > From: shanti ramachandran > Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 3:33 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR4 Stopping During Playback > > This Andy, is a typical symptom in the Snkyo mechanism decks. The culprit is either the rubber idler tire driving the reels has worn out, or the reel motor itself has lost its torque. Most likely it is the idler tire issue which is an easy fix. > > You can buy one here on ebay. It is a self fix. > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/NAKAMICHI-Cassette-Service-Idler-Tire-Repair-Part-Fix-/300359184815?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item45eecd71af > > Good luck. > > Ram. > > > --- On Tue, 10/4/11, Andy Spencer wrote: > > From: Andy Spencer > Subject: [naktalk] CR4 Stopping During Playback > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Tuesday, October 4, 2011, 6:54 AM > > I recently acquired a CR4 which is in excellent condition, however, has a problem of stopping during playback. On removing > the cassette from the drawer there is a small loop of tape that hasn’t been wound flat in the shell (if that makes sense). > > It also sometimes won’t FF or REW after this has happened, however, if you go back to the deck a few days later it will work again > for a few minutes before stopping. > > Could this be a simple capstan belt replacement job (if this is simple) or does it sound like the capstan motor needs replacing? > > Any suggestions of things to try before I ship this back to B&W in the UK at great cost! > > Your assistance is appreciated. > > Regards. > > Andy > Dublin, Ireland > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > wlmailhtml:/mc/compose?to=Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adrian at mechner.net Tue Oct 4 18:49:06 2011 From: adrian at mechner.net (Adrian Mechner) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 09:49:06 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR4 Stopping During Playback In-Reply-To: <1317743183.99065.YahooMailNeo@web160711.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1317738794.94493.YahooMailClassic@web112708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1317743183.99065.YahooMailNeo@web160711.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001b01cc82b5$885a6a20$990f3e60$@net> Excellent condition and the described issue don’t match up… I used to purchase myself a lot of good looking crap on epay or CL, but it always turned out it was crap (had issues which don’t show at first but the owner knew about…) I would still believe that no one would simply give up a 100% Nak just because he got tired of it. I confirm the fact that the CR4 does not have an idler tire but a gear drive ( a ½” wheel with teeth). There is no issue with friction loss or anything related to that. I would eliminate a “low torque motor too”; you should go from checking how free the wheels spin first of all. And then you could start doing some reading in the service manual and start cleaning the transport. I would do that only if the rest is perfect and if I had spend too much on it in the first place. Good Luck, Adrian From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of kannan srinivasaraghavan Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 8:46 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR4 Stopping During Playback CR4/A/E never had idler tire - All CR3 and 4 A/E decks had only gear Drive transport Since reel drive motor issue is not easily replaceable by an user - you need an Nak tech to do it kannan From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2011 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR4 Stopping During Playback This Andy, is a typical symptom in the Snkyo mechanism decks. The culprit is either the rubber idler tire driving the reels has worn out, or the reel motor itself has lost its torque. Most likely it is the idler tire issue which is an easy fix. You can buy one here on ebay. It is a self fix. http://www.ebay.com/itm/NAKAMICHI-Cassette-Service-Idler-Tire-Repair-Part-Fix-/300359184815?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item45eecd71af Good luck. Ram. --- On Tue, 10/4/11, Andy Spencer wrote: From: Andy Spencer Subject: [naktalk] CR4 Stopping During Playback To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, October 4, 2011, 6:54 AM I recently acquired a CR4 which is in excellent condition, however, has a problem of stopping during playback. On removing the cassette from the drawer there is a small loop of tape that hasn’t been wound flat in the shell (if that makes sense). It also sometimes won’t FF or REW after this has happened, however, if you go back to the deck a few days later it will work again for a few minutes before stopping. Could this be a simple capstan belt replacement job (if this is simple) or does it sound like the capstan motor needs replacing? Any suggestions of things to try before I ship this back to B&W in the UK at great cost! Your assistance is appreciated. Regards. 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URL: From thomas36245-net at yahoo.com Tue Oct 4 19:39:45 2011 From: thomas36245-net at yahoo.com (thomas) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 10:39:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR4 Stopping During Playback In-Reply-To: <1317743183.99065.YahooMailNeo@web160711.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1317749985.38597.YahooMailClassic@web80604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Andy ; Before you do anything expensive ...Make sure the rubber pinch rollers are clean and have good traction. Lube the pinch roller arm bearings with a little oil.  Then check if there is a cam system inside that needs lubing and or an adjustment for play, ff,rew, and record positions. After that you can try to fix the reel drive motor by sliding a small screw driver between the pulley and motor itself and while it is running, slide the shaft out and in for awhile which will scrub off carbon from the brushes and armature contact area inside the motor...also try to get a drop of oil on the motor bearing. Then if all this fails....you can send the deck away for repairs.    Thomas --- On Tue, 10/4/11, kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: From: kannan srinivasaraghavan Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR4 Stopping During Playback To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, October 4, 2011, 11:46 AM CR4/A/E  never had idler tire - All CR3 and 4 A/E decks had only gear Drive transport Since reel drive motor issue is not easily replaceable by an user - you need an Nak tech to do it kannan  From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2011 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR4 Stopping During Playback This Andy, is a typical symptom in the Snkyo mechanism decks. The culprit is either the rubber idler tire driving the reels has worn out, or the reel motor itself has lost its torque. Most likely it is the idler tire issue which is an easy fix. You can buy one here on ebay. It is a self fix. http://www.ebay.com/itm/NAKAMICHI-Cassette-Service-Idler-Tire-Repair-Part-Fix-/300359184815?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item45eecd71af Good luck. Ram. --- On Tue, 10/4/11, Andy Spencer wrote: From: Andy Spencer Subject: [naktalk] CR4 Stopping During Playback To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, October 4, 2011, 6:54 AM I recently acquired a CR4 which is in excellent condition, however, has a problem of stopping during playback. On removing the cassette from the drawer there is a small loop of tape that hasn’t been wound flat in the shell (if that makes sense).   It also sometimes won’t FF or REW after this has happened, however, if you go back to the deck a few days later it will work again for a few minutes before stopping.   Could this be a simple capstan belt replacement job (if this is simple) or does it sound like the capstan motor needs replacing?   Any suggestions of things to try before I ship this back to B&W in the UK at great cost!   Your assistance is appreciated.   Regards.   Andy Dublin, Ireland -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------=================---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From francis.morrin at gmail.com Tue Oct 4 19:42:49 2011 From: francis.morrin at gmail.com (Fran Morrin) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 18:42:49 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR4 Stopping During Playback In-Reply-To: <807BBE3D7E7C457D82217065089DEDBD@superdator> References: <807BBE3D7E7C457D82217065089DEDBD@superdator> Message-ID: Andy - this mighthelp for taking it apart.... what's the spares availability like? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEzrpQlHveQ Fran (yes, that fran!) On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 3:39 PM, Pär Ericsson wrote: > ** > If the loop is on the right hand side of the right hand capstan you need to > replace the reel motor. > > Regards Pelle. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Andy Spencer > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 04, 2011 12:54 PM > *Subject:* [naktalk] CR4 Stopping During Playback > > I recently acquired a CR4 which is in excellent condition, however, has a > problem of stopping during playback. On removing > the cassette from the drawer there is a small loop of tape that hasn’t been > wound flat in the shell (if that makes sense). > > It also sometimes won’t FF or REW after this has happened, however, if you > go back to the deck a few days later it will work again > for a few minutes before stopping. > > Could this be a simple capstan belt replacement job (if this is simple) or > does it sound like the capstan motor needs replacing? > > Any suggestions of things to try before I ship this back to B&W in the UK > at great cost! > > Your assistance is appreciated. > > Regards. > > Andy > Dublin, Ireland > > ------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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After that you can try to fix the reel drive motor by sliding a small screw driver between the pulley and motor itself and while it is running, slide the shaft out and in for awhile which will scrub off carbon from the brushes and armature contact area inside the motor...also try to get a drop of oil on the motor bearing. Then if all this fails....you can send the deck away for repairs.    Thomas --- On Tue, 10/4/11, kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: From: kannan srinivasaraghavan Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR4 Stopping During Playback To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, October 4, 2011, 11:46 AM CR4/A/E  never had idler tire - All CR3 and 4 A/E decks had only gear Drive transport Since reel drive motor issue is not easily replaceable by an user - you need an Nak tech to do it kannan  From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2011 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR4 Stopping During Playback This Andy, is a typical symptom in the Snkyo mechanism decks. The culprit is either the rubber idler tire driving the reels has worn out, or the reel motor itself has lost its torque. Most likely it is the idler tire issue which is an easy fix. You can buy one here on ebay. It is a self fix. http://www.ebay.com/itm/NAKAMICHI-Cassette-Service-Idler-Tire-Repair-Part-Fix-/300359184815?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item45eecd71af Good luck. Ram. --- On Tue, 10/4/11, Andy Spencer wrote: From: Andy Spencer Subject: [naktalk] CR4 Stopping During Playback To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, October 4, 2011, 6:54 AM I recently acquired a CR4 which is in excellent condition, however, has a problem of stopping during playback. On removing the cassette from the drawer there is a small loop of tape that hasn’t been wound flat in the shell (if that makes sense).   It also sometimes won’t FF or REW after this has happened, however, if you go back to the deck a few days later it will work again for a few minutes before stopping.   Could this be a simple capstan belt replacement job (if this is simple) or does it sound like the capstan motor needs replacing?   Any suggestions of things to try before I ship this back to B&W in the UK at great cost!   Your assistance is appreciated.   Regards.   Andy Dublin, Ireland -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------=================---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Wed Oct 5 17:49:38 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 08:49:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR4 Stopping During Playback In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1317829778.33222.YahooMailNeo@web130101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Andy, In all likelihood, this is a take up problem. As already stated, the most likely suspect is the reel motor (less likely, but possible, the driver circuit). To test, run the deck in FF or REW (no cassette) and measure the voltage at the motor terminals. Should be 8V to 9V. If seriously lower, disconnect one terminal and measure again. If the voltage is now normal, suspect the motor. If still low, suspect the electronics. If the motor: a simple (but often not successful for long) cure is to spray cleaning solution into the reel motor, both ends of the shaft, trying hard to get some of it into the motor. If/when this doesn't work, try rebuilding the motor (this requires removing it from the transport, which is best left to someone that has already done this at least a couple of times). The final solution is replacing the motor with a known good one (same comment as above). Good luck, -- Ron >________________________________ >From: Andy Spencer >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2011 6:54 AM >Subject: [naktalk] CR4 Stopping During Playback > > >I recently acquired a CR4 which is in excellent condition, however, has a problem of stopping during playback. On removing >the cassette from the drawer there is a small loop of tape that hasn’t been wound flat in the shell (if that makes sense). >  >It also sometimes won’t FF or REW after this has happened, however, if you go back to the deck a few days later it will work again >for a few minutes before stopping. >  >Could this be a simple capstan belt replacement job (if this is simple) or does it sound like the capstan motor needs replacing? >  >Any suggestions of things to try before I ship this back to B&W in the UK at great cost! >  >Your assistance is appreciated. >  >Regards. >  >Andy >Dublin, Ireland >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Oct 6 09:51:06 2011 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 09:51:06 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] BX125 anyone? Message-ID: Anyone needs a BX125? One was donated today. It is somewhere in the US, didn't ask where yet. Reply off list if you want to get in touch with the owner. Wouter From uraldurusu at ttmail.com Sun Oct 9 22:29:52 2011 From: uraldurusu at ttmail.com (Ural Durusu) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 23:29:52 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon BIAS Adjustment Message-ID: <22E166E5B93947DC8B989D7121C26BBA@surdokmdnb> Hello, When I set the Bias to "0 CAL" point the recorded signal is treble than the original. Signal comes normal if I set the Bias 2 segments down from the 0 point. If there is no any other Bias adjustment inside the deck other than the front panel what should be the problem. Thank you for your time. Regards Ural Durusu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From KSLWinter at comcast.net Mon Oct 10 04:23:33 2011 From: KSLWinter at comcast.net (Winter Family) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 22:23:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 1000 speed problem Message-ID: I am restoring a 1000 and am having a speed issue. Speed is fine for 20 or 30 seconds, then starts floating all over the place. I replaced the orange caps, polystyrene cap and the 4558 on the speed board (all were responding negatively to freeze spray) to no avail. I have a feeling it may be the photo-sensor in the motor due to an erratic waveform on the scope, but that could be because of the erratic speed (don't you love a feedback loop?) Any help would be most appreciated. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From perry.nak at comcast.net Mon Oct 10 17:56:07 2011 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 15:56:07 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Bias adjustment Message-ID: <1141112726-1318262168-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1950294678-@b18.c16.bise6.blackberry> I assume you mean you have to adjust the 15kHz bias adjust for 2 segments lower than zero on the meter for the actual signal to be exactly -20dB? This is not uncommon, in fact it is normal to have to adjust it for 1 segment above 0 for best response. The test tone and meters probably need adjustment, very common and easy with the right gear. Perry Esposito - From my phone From luis at peromarta.org Mon Oct 10 18:20:38 2011 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 18:20:38 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Bias adjustment In-Reply-To: <1141112726-1318262168-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1950294678-@b18.c16.bise6.blackberry> References: <1141112726-1318262168-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1950294678-@b18.c16.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: Agree. El 10/10/2011, a las 17:56, perry.nak at comcast.net escribió: > I assume you mean you have to adjust the 15kHz bias adjust for 2 segments lower than zero on the meter for the actual signal to be exactly -20dB? This is not uncommon, in fact it is normal to have to adjust it for 1 segment above 0 for best response. The test tone and meters probably need adjustment, very common and easy with the right gear. > Perry Esposito - From my phone > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From stekast at yahoo.com Mon Oct 10 15:50:13 2011 From: stekast at yahoo.com (stelios kastanakis) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 06:50:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon dolby c problem Message-ID: <1318254613.90157.YahooMailNeo@web161402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hello to all   This is my second post about the same problem. I have a problem with Dolby C . Recordings with my Dragon  with dolby c performs very bad (no treble at all) to all my other decks (ZX 9  BX-300 and to my TD-1000 of my car) All the decks are perfectly aligned .(electronics and heads). Recordings with dolby b/off  perfoms perfect to all my decks. Recordings with dolby c perfoms good only on Dragon . I have something in thought,may be it's the decoding part of Dolby.   Any help will be appreciate   Regards   Stelios -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From uraldurusu at ttmail.com Mon Oct 10 19:30:29 2011 From: uraldurusu at ttmail.com (Ural Durusu) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 20:30:29 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Bias adjustment References: <1141112726-1318262168-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1950294678-@b18.c16.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <1227D51A283044A098024A3A8B513723@surdokmdnb> Yes you are rght you described the problem better than me. Now I see. But in Turkey there is no Nak expert. As far as I know. Thank you for the information. Best regards. Ural ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 6:56 PM Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Bias adjustment >I assume you mean you have to adjust the 15kHz bias adjust for 2 segments >lower than zero on the meter for the actual signal to be exactly -20dB? >This is not uncommon, in fact it is normal to have to adjust it for 1 >segment above 0 for best response. The test tone and meters probably need >adjustment, very common and easy with the right gear. > Perry Esposito - From my phone > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Thu Oct 20 18:56:10 2011 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 18:56:10 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Unbelievable prices Nakamichi 1000 ZXL LIMITED Message-ID: <000601cc8f49$2b509e30$81f1da90$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> http://www.ebay.de/itm/Nakamichi-1000-ZXL-LIMITED-1000ZXL-GOLD-best-of-rare- top-most-wanted-/190589117489?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_77 &hash=item2c5fff2431 Wow 11000 euro's for a 1000zxl Unlimited Little bit overpriced, regards Norman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Oct 20 20:37:29 2011 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 20:37:29 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Unbelievable prices Nakamichi 1000 ZXL LIMITED In-Reply-To: <000601cc8f49$2b509e30$81f1da90$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> References: <000601cc8f49$2b509e30$81f1da90$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Message-ID: Amazing! Nice picture! Wouter > > Wow > > > > 11000 euro's for a 1000zxl Unlimited > > > > Little bit overpriced, > > From serge_sh at bk.ru Thu Oct 20 21:59:31 2011 From: serge_sh at bk.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2VyZ2l5IFNoZXZjaHVr?=) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 23:59:31 +0400 Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmVbMl06IFtuYWt0YWxrXSBVbmJlbGlldmFibGUgcHJpY2VzIE5ha2FtaWNo?= =?UTF-8?B?aSAxMDAwIFpYTCBMSU1JVEVE?= In-Reply-To: References: <000601cc8f49$2b509e30$81f1da90$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Message-ID: Hi everybody! I've seen this picture 2 years ago... Be careful. This is fraud. Serge. 20 октября 2011, 23:24 от "Wouter Heijke" : > > Amazing! > > Nice picture! > > Wouter > > > > > Wow > > > > > > > > 11000 euro's for a 1000zxl Unlimited > > > > > > > > Little bit overpriced, > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From fergus.cullen at gmail.com Thu Oct 20 23:06:08 2011 From: fergus.cullen at gmail.com (Fergus Cullen) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 22:06:08 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Unbelievable prices Nakamichi 1000 ZXL LIMITED In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: How can you tell? Can someone fake their Ebay ID & positive feedback? On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 8:59 PM, Sergiy Shevchuk wrote: > Hi everybody! > > I've seen this picture 2 years ago... > > Be careful. This is fraud. > > Serge. > > > 20 октября 2011, 23:24 от "Wouter Heijke" : > > > > Amazing! > > > > Nice picture! > > > > Wouter > > > > > > > > Wow > > > > > > > > > > > > 11000 euro's for a 1000zxl Unlimited > > > > > > > > > > > > Little bit overpriced, > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Fergus New limited CD release from the Japanese underground here: http://anmailorder.wordpress.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com Fri Oct 21 09:51:12 2011 From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 09:51:12 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Unbelievable prices Nakamichi 1000 ZXL LIMITED In-Reply-To: References: <000601cc8f49$2b509e30$81f1da90$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Message-ID: Price and picture are made for "not selling!" "See what I have on Nakamichi Decks "! The last ZXL he sold to a Ebay Member in England, than he got it back because of not working. That was bad luck, nice from him to take it back! A black ZXL does look much better anyway. G Am 20.10.2011 um 20:37 schrieb Wouter Heijke: > > Amazing! > > Nice picture! > > Wouter > >> >> Wow >> >> >> >> 11000 euro's for a 1000zxl Unlimited >> >> >> >> Little bit overpriced, >> >> > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From george.valkov at gmail.com Fri Oct 21 10:20:12 2011 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 09:20:12 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Unbelievable prices Nakamichi 1000 ZXL LIMITED In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No, they can hack your account and take it over, setting up a listing in your name. 2011/10/20 Fergus Cullen > How can you tell? Can someone fake their Ebay ID & positive feedback? > > > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 8:59 PM, Sergiy Shevchuk wrote: > >> Hi everybody! >> >> I've seen this picture 2 years ago... >> >> Be careful. This is fraud. >> >> Serge. >> >> >> 20 октября 2011, 23:24 от "Wouter Heijke" : >> > >> > Amazing! >> > >> > Nice picture! >> > >> > Wouter >> > >> > > >> > > Wow >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > 11000 euro's for a 1000zxl Unlimited >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Little bit overpriced, >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> > Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > > -- > Fergus > > New limited CD release from the Japanese underground here: > http://anmailorder.wordpress.com/ > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- "Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From g.p.lyskin at paradise.net.nz Fri Oct 21 10:52:51 2011 From: g.p.lyskin at paradise.net.nz (Guennadi Lyskine) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 21:52:51 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] 5 Hz RAMM Speed Check Tape DA09061A ? Message-ID: Hello NAKTALK Members, Does anybody have any information regarding the Nakamichi 5 Hz RAMM Speed Check Tape DA09061A? What is the absolute Fluxivity Level in nWb/m at 5 Hz, or relative Level in dB re 200 nWb/m at 400 Hz? Does the original tape label contain this information? If it does, please, may I have a picture of that label? I have recorded the 5 Hz full-track prototype compact cassette tape with MOL of 212 nWb/m at 5 Hz. It will give from -6 dBref to 0 dBref output level of the 1st (unequalized) stage of the Repro amplifier at the RAMM slow mode. I think it is enough to make a clone of the DA09061A tape and to do the RAMM detector gain adjustments of the Nakamichi 1000ZXL and 700ZXL tape decks. Thanks in advance, Gennady (bluesman60s) From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Fri Oct 21 12:17:03 2011 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 12:17:03 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 5 Hz RAMM Speed Check Tape DA09061A ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000f01cc8fda$9441e250$bcc5a6f0$@van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Hi Gennady, Is it possible to buy a 5hz tape from you when your project has finished ? I am looking also for this tape to adjust my 1000ZXL. Regards Norman -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens Guennadi Lyskine Verzonden: vrijdag 21 oktober 2011 10:53 Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Onderwerp: [naktalk] 5 Hz RAMM Speed Check Tape DA09061A ? Hello NAKTALK Members, Does anybody have any information regarding the Nakamichi 5 Hz RAMM Speed Check Tape DA09061A? What is the absolute Fluxivity Level in nWb/m at 5 Hz, or relative Level in dB re 200 nWb/m at 400 Hz? Does the original tape label contain this information? If it does, please, may I have a picture of that label? I have recorded the 5 Hz full-track prototype compact cassette tape with MOL of 212 nWb/m at 5 Hz. It will give from -6 dBref to 0 dBref output level of the 1st (unequalized) stage of the Repro amplifier at the RAMM slow mode. I think it is enough to make a clone of the DA09061A tape and to do the RAMM detector gain adjustments of the Nakamichi 1000ZXL and 700ZXL tape decks. Thanks in advance, Gennady (bluesman60s) ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From g.p.lyskin at paradise.net.nz Sat Oct 22 10:44:40 2011 From: g.p.lyskin at paradise.net.nz (Guennadi Lyskine) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 21:44:40 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] 5 Hz RAMM Speed Check Tape DA09061A ? References: <000f01cc8fda$9441e250$bcc5a6f0$%van.wijnen@inter.nl.net> Message-ID: Hi Norman, Yes, it is possible. Please drop me a word offlist. I will keep you informed. Thanks for your question. Cheers, Gennady ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman van Wijnen" To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 11:17 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] 5 Hz RAMM Speed Check Tape DA09061A ? > Hi Gennady, > > Is it possible to buy a 5hz tape from you when your project has finished ? > I am looking also for this tape to adjust my 1000ZXL. > > Regards Norman > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Namens > Guennadi Lyskine > Verzonden: vrijdag 21 oktober 2011 10:53 > Aan: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Onderwerp: [naktalk] 5 Hz RAMM Speed Check Tape DA09061A ? > > Hello NAKTALK Members, > > Does anybody have any information regarding the Nakamichi 5 Hz RAMM Speed > Check Tape DA09061A? > What is the absolute Fluxivity Level in nWb/m at 5 Hz, or relative Level > in > dB re 200 nWb/m at 400 Hz? > Does the original tape label contain this information? If it does, please, > may I have a picture of that label? > I have recorded the 5 Hz full-track prototype compact cassette tape with > MOL > > of 212 nWb/m at 5 Hz. > It will give from -6 dBref to 0 dBref output level of the 1st > (unequalized) > stage of the Repro amplifier at the RAMM slow mode. > I think it is enough to make a clone of the DA09061A tape and to do the > RAMM > > detector gain adjustments of the Nakamichi 1000ZXL and 700ZXL tape decks. > > Thanks in advance, > > Gennady (bluesman60s) > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From nakamichi at marrscom.com Mon Oct 24 11:41:37 2011 From: nakamichi at marrscom.com (Fred M.) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 04:41:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 10-23-11 MARRS vs eBay STATUS Message-ID: <4EA532D1.3090409@marrscom.com> *10-23-11 MARRS vs eBay STATUS* ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 10-23-11 EMAIL FOR ORDERS OR QUESTIONS : nakamichi at marrscom.com NEGATIVE FEEDBACK UPDATE : TO DATE EVERY NEGATIVE RECEIVED IN 2011, IS DUE TO BUYERS NOT SENDING THEIR MODEL NUMBER WITH PAYMENT ! THIS IS THE ONLY REASON ! ( EXCEPT ONE (1) ) SENDING YOUR MODEL NUMBER IS THE BUYERS RESPONSIBILITY. DOCUMENTED PROOF MARRS HAS DONE NOTHING WRONG, OR HAS NEVER TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF ANY CUSTOMER, IS AVAILABLE UPON REQUEST ! * ORDERS ARE BEING ACCEPTED * ORDERS DO SHIP DAILY * ALL ORDERS RECEIVED THROUGH 10-23-11, HAVE BEEN MAILED eBay BUYERS : DO NOT PANIC DURING MY BATTLE WITH eBay. THEY ARE AT FAULT, AND I HAVE THE DOCUMENTED PROOF. MARRS is HERE and will REMAIN to be HERE. ALL CONCERNS WILL BE ADDRESSED. IF YOU LEAVE NEGATIVE FEEDBACK, BEFORE NOTIFYING ME OF A PROBLEM, I WILL DO NOTHING TO HELP YOU. I THINK THIS IS MORE THAN FAIR. BE PATIENT, I RECEIVE OVER 100 eBay MESSAGES EVERY DAY ! ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS, OR THE RESOLUTION OF A PROBLEM, ARE HANDLED IN THE ORDER RECEIVED. PLEASE READ THIS VERY IMPORTANT MESSAGE PERTAINING TO SELLER COMPLAINTS ABOUT eBay ! ************************************************** ************************************ In MARRS DEFENSE : Please read this PUBLIC information about CURRENT Seller Complaints about eBay / PayPal **** NEW EBAY / PAYPAL PUBLIC INFORMATION **** This PUBLIC information may be Found on the Web and is Dated : 9-28-2011 PayPal and eBay have teamed up, and are currently holding hundreds of millions of dollars of eBay sales proceeds, and tens of thousands of reputable sellers' accounts are affected ! Here is the scam: eBay changed its policy for seller standards ninety days ago, under the "guise" of buyer "protection". Sellers may not have more than one below average rating on the detailed seller ratings. One per hundred that is, and if they do, their PayPal account is frozen for twenty-one days for all proceeds of all sales. Note that this rating is not in respect to feedback, which could be 100 percent perfect, but ratings on how fast an item was shipped, communication, description and et cetera. So, if you fall below the 99th percentile, you are categorized a "substandard seller". Therefore, eBay requires of PayPal that they withhold all sales proceeds of the sale--even shipping ! After fifteen days, eBay takes out the fees from the sale from the seller, _ a week before the seller is even paid ! Ebay has gone too far this time. It is currently estimated that over 50,000 eBay seller accounts are frozen--every day ! * This should Confirm : eBay has Major " FEEDBACK PROGRAM PROBLEMS " with their Sellers. MARRS COMMUNICATIONS is current a VICTIM. Thank You, Fred M. From nakamichi at marrscom.com Mon Oct 24 16:47:18 2011 From: nakamichi at marrscom.com (Fred M.) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 09:47:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 10-24-11 NO LONGER ON EBAY TAPEHEADS NAKTALK Message-ID: <4EA57A76.1040502@marrscom.com> *MARRS NO LONGER ON eBAY / WEBSITE ONLY !* ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *10-24-11 MARRS WILL NO LONGER TOLERATE eBAY TO BE VERY CLEAR, THIS IS MARRS DECISION. eBay DID NOT BAN ME. I AM SURE YOU WILL HEAR CLAIMS TO THE CONTRARY. *** AFTER DOING SOME RESEARCH, TO RECONFIRM EVERY STATEMENT I MADE ABOUT eBay IN MY LAST POST IS 100% ACCURATE, I DISCOVERED SOMETHING ELSE.* IN THE PAST 90 DAYS, MARRS HAS REPLACED $1,192.00 AT MY COST, IN BELT KITS TO eBAY BUYERS, WHO FILED DISPUTES CLAIMING "NON RECEIPT". SINCE I SHIPPED FREE WORLDWIDE, I DID NOT PURCHASE " PROOF OF DELIVERY ". ( STUPID, I KNOW ). I KNOW THE POSTAL SERVICE IS NOT PERFECT, BUT GIVE ME A BREAK ! SEVERAL YEARS AGO, eBAY HAD A BIG PROBLEM WITH BUYERS GETTING RIPPED OFF BY SELLERS. eBay CHANGED THEIR POLICIES, AND NOW THEY HAVE THE OPPOSITE PROBLEM, SELLERS ARE GETTING RIPPED OFF. SINCE THEIR POLICY CHANGES, eBAY HAS DRAWN " BOTTOM FEEDERS " AS BUYERS. THEY KNOW WITH A LITTLE LYING, THEY CAN GET THEIR PURCHASE FREE ! I AM DONE WITH eBAY AND THEIR BUYERS. I MISS THE DAYS WHEN BUSINESS WAS DONE ON A HANDSHAKE ? PROOF, THIS WORLD IS IN A DOWNHILL SPIRAL. SAD. I COULD WRITE A BOOK ON THE "LOOPHOLES" IN THE Ebay SYSTEM, WHICH IS ENGINEERED AGAINST THEIR SELLERS. ************************************************** ********************************* TO ALL CUSTOMERS, PAST AND PRESENT : IF ANYONE TELLS YOU THEY GOT " RIPPED OFF " BY MARRS COMMUNICATIONS, IT IS AN OUTRIGHT LIE, AND I HAVE THE PROOF ! * I WILL BE RELYING ON MY WEBSITE FOR ORDERS. * PAYMENTS CAN BE MADE USING A US POSTAL MONEY ORDER, AT A " DISCOUNTED " PRICE * FOR CONVENIENCE AND SECURITY, PAYMENTS CAN ALSO BE MADE USING PAYPAL, SO YOU WILL HAVE THEIR PROTECTION. * ALL BELTS ARE GUARANTEED FOR 5 YEARS. NO HASSLE, JUST SAVE YOUR RECEIPT. * YOUR SATISFACTION IS 100% GUARANTEED ! * MY PERSONAL PHONE NUMBER WILL BE FURNISHED AFTER, YOU MAKE A PURCHASE. ( UPON REQUEST ) ************************************************** *********************************** EFFECTIVE 10-26-11,WEBSITE OPEN. http://www.marrscommunications.com EMAIL : orders at marrscom.com ************************************************** ********************************** TO ALL CUSTOMERS WHO HAVE BEEN HAPPY WITH MY SERVICE, AND THE QUALITY OF MY BELTS IN THE PAST, WHICH IS THE MAJORITY, PLEASE SPREAD THE WORD ABOUT MY WEBSITE. I NEED YOUR HELP, DUE TO THE LOSS IN " TRAFFIC " ON eBAY THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO " MY SIDE " OF THE STORY. ( THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTING BUT THE TRUTH ). YOUR BUSINESS IS GREATLY APPRECIATED ! FRED M. From tim.skorick at gmail.com Mon Oct 24 20:38:01 2011 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:38:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 10-24-11 NO LONGER ON EBAY TAPEHEADS NAKTALK In-Reply-To: <4EA57A76.1040502@marrscom.com> References: <4EA57A76.1040502@marrscom.com> Message-ID: For the record, I've never once had a problem with your merchandise, delivery times, or your customer service. eBay begone, I wish you the best of luck in your independent web business. -Tim On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Fred M. wrote: > > *MARRS NO LONGER ON eBAY / WEBSITE ONLY !* > ------------------------------**------------------------------** > ------------ > *10-24-11 MARRS WILL NO LONGER TOLERATE eBAY > > TO BE VERY CLEAR, THIS IS MARRS DECISION. eBay DID NOT BAN ME. I AM SURE > YOU WILL HEAR CLAIMS TO THE CONTRARY. > > *** > AFTER DOING SOME RESEARCH, TO RECONFIRM EVERY STATEMENT I MADE ABOUT eBay > IN MY LAST POST IS 100% ACCURATE, I DISCOVERED SOMETHING ELSE.* > > IN THE PAST 90 DAYS, MARRS HAS REPLACED $1,192.00 AT MY COST, IN BELT KITS > TO eBAY BUYERS, WHO FILED DISPUTES CLAIMING "NON RECEIPT". > SINCE I SHIPPED FREE WORLDWIDE, I DID NOT PURCHASE " PROOF OF DELIVERY ". ( > STUPID, I KNOW ). > > I KNOW THE POSTAL SERVICE IS NOT PERFECT, BUT GIVE ME A BREAK ! > > SEVERAL YEARS AGO, eBAY HAD A BIG PROBLEM WITH BUYERS GETTING RIPPED OFF BY > SELLERS. > eBay CHANGED THEIR POLICIES, AND NOW THEY HAVE THE OPPOSITE PROBLEM, > SELLERS ARE GETTING RIPPED OFF. > > SINCE THEIR POLICY CHANGES, eBAY HAS DRAWN " BOTTOM FEEDERS " AS BUYERS. > THEY KNOW WITH A LITTLE LYING, THEY CAN GET THEIR PURCHASE FREE ! > > I AM DONE WITH eBAY AND THEIR BUYERS. > > I MISS THE DAYS WHEN BUSINESS WAS DONE ON A HANDSHAKE ? > PROOF, THIS WORLD IS IN A DOWNHILL SPIRAL. SAD. > > I COULD WRITE A BOOK ON THE "LOOPHOLES" IN THE Ebay SYSTEM, WHICH IS > ENGINEERED AGAINST THEIR SELLERS. > > **************************************************** > *********************************** > > TO ALL CUSTOMERS, PAST AND PRESENT : > > IF ANYONE TELLS YOU THEY GOT " RIPPED OFF " BY MARRS COMMUNICATIONS, IT IS > AN OUTRIGHT LIE, AND I HAVE THE PROOF ! > > * I WILL BE RELYING ON MY WEBSITE FOR ORDERS. > > * PAYMENTS CAN BE MADE USING A US POSTAL MONEY ORDER, AT A " DISCOUNTED " > PRICE > > * FOR CONVENIENCE AND SECURITY, PAYMENTS CAN ALSO BE MADE USING PAYPAL, SO > YOU WILL HAVE THEIR PROTECTION. > > * ALL BELTS ARE GUARANTEED FOR 5 YEARS. NO HASSLE, JUST SAVE YOUR RECEIPT. > > * YOUR SATISFACTION IS 100% GUARANTEED ! > > * MY PERSONAL PHONE NUMBER WILL BE FURNISHED AFTER, YOU MAKE A PURCHASE. ( > UPON REQUEST ) > > **************************************************** > ************************************* > > EFFECTIVE 10-26-11,WEBSITE OPEN. > > http://www.**marrscommunications.com > > EMAIL : orders at marrscom.com > > **************************************************** > ************************************ > > TO ALL CUSTOMERS WHO HAVE BEEN HAPPY WITH MY SERVICE, AND THE QUALITY OF MY > BELTS IN THE PAST, WHICH IS THE MAJORITY, > > PLEASE SPREAD THE WORD ABOUT MY WEBSITE. > > I NEED YOUR HELP, DUE TO THE LOSS IN " TRAFFIC " ON eBAY > > THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO " MY SIDE " OF THE STORY. ( THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE > TRUTH, AND NOTING BUT THE TRUTH ). > > YOUR BUSINESS IS GREATLY APPRECIATED ! > > FRED M. > > > ========----------------------**------------------------------** > -----========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========----------------------**------------------------------** > -----========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/**listinfo/naktalk > ========----------------------**------------------------------** > -----========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fergus.cullen at gmail.com Mon Oct 24 21:20:38 2011 From: fergus.cullen at gmail.com (Fergus Cullen) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 20:20:38 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 10-24-11 NO LONGER ON EBAY TAPEHEADS NAKTALK In-Reply-To: <4EA57A76.1040502@marrscom.com> References: <4EA57A76.1040502@marrscom.com> Message-ID: I've had the same problem on Ebay. Some friends too. It's very stressful to deal with claims like this when you've done nothing wrong. Also you're totally right; These days Ebay completely favours the buyer which sounds like a good idea but in theory it's a whole different ball game. Fergus On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Fred M. wrote: > > *MARRS NO LONGER ON eBAY / WEBSITE ONLY !* > ------------------------------**------------------------------** > ------------ > *10-24-11 MARRS WILL NO LONGER TOLERATE eBAY > > TO BE VERY CLEAR, THIS IS MARRS DECISION. eBay DID NOT BAN ME. I AM SURE > YOU WILL HEAR CLAIMS TO THE CONTRARY. > > *** > AFTER DOING SOME RESEARCH, TO RECONFIRM EVERY STATEMENT I MADE ABOUT eBay > IN MY LAST POST IS 100% ACCURATE, I DISCOVERED SOMETHING ELSE.* > > IN THE PAST 90 DAYS, MARRS HAS REPLACED $1,192.00 AT MY COST, IN BELT KITS > TO eBAY BUYERS, WHO FILED DISPUTES CLAIMING "NON RECEIPT". > SINCE I SHIPPED FREE WORLDWIDE, I DID NOT PURCHASE " PROOF OF DELIVERY ". ( > STUPID, I KNOW ). > > I KNOW THE POSTAL SERVICE IS NOT PERFECT, BUT GIVE ME A BREAK ! > > SEVERAL YEARS AGO, eBAY HAD A BIG PROBLEM WITH BUYERS GETTING RIPPED OFF BY > SELLERS. > eBay CHANGED THEIR POLICIES, AND NOW THEY HAVE THE OPPOSITE PROBLEM, > SELLERS ARE GETTING RIPPED OFF. > > SINCE THEIR POLICY CHANGES, eBAY HAS DRAWN " BOTTOM FEEDERS " AS BUYERS. > THEY KNOW WITH A LITTLE LYING, THEY CAN GET THEIR PURCHASE FREE ! > > I AM DONE WITH eBAY AND THEIR BUYERS. > > I MISS THE DAYS WHEN BUSINESS WAS DONE ON A HANDSHAKE ? > PROOF, THIS WORLD IS IN A DOWNHILL SPIRAL. SAD. > > I COULD WRITE A BOOK ON THE "LOOPHOLES" IN THE Ebay SYSTEM, WHICH IS > ENGINEERED AGAINST THEIR SELLERS. > > **************************************************** > *********************************** > > TO ALL CUSTOMERS, PAST AND PRESENT : > > IF ANYONE TELLS YOU THEY GOT " RIPPED OFF " BY MARRS COMMUNICATIONS, IT IS > AN OUTRIGHT LIE, AND I HAVE THE PROOF ! > > * I WILL BE RELYING ON MY WEBSITE FOR ORDERS. > > * PAYMENTS CAN BE MADE USING A US POSTAL MONEY ORDER, AT A " DISCOUNTED " > PRICE > > * FOR CONVENIENCE AND SECURITY, PAYMENTS CAN ALSO BE MADE USING PAYPAL, SO > YOU WILL HAVE THEIR PROTECTION. > > * ALL BELTS ARE GUARANTEED FOR 5 YEARS. NO HASSLE, JUST SAVE YOUR RECEIPT. > > * YOUR SATISFACTION IS 100% GUARANTEED ! > > * MY PERSONAL PHONE NUMBER WILL BE FURNISHED AFTER, YOU MAKE A PURCHASE. ( > UPON REQUEST ) > > **************************************************** > ************************************* > > EFFECTIVE 10-26-11,WEBSITE OPEN. > > http://www.**marrscommunications.com > > EMAIL : orders at marrscom.com > > **************************************************** > ************************************ > > TO ALL CUSTOMERS WHO HAVE BEEN HAPPY WITH MY SERVICE, AND THE QUALITY OF MY > BELTS IN THE PAST, WHICH IS THE MAJORITY, > > PLEASE SPREAD THE WORD ABOUT MY WEBSITE. > > I NEED YOUR HELP, DUE TO THE LOSS IN " TRAFFIC " ON eBAY > > THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO " MY SIDE " OF THE STORY. ( THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE > TRUTH, AND NOTING BUT THE TRUTH ). > > YOUR BUSINESS IS GREATLY APPRECIATED ! > > FRED M. > > > ========----------------------**------------------------------** > -----========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========----------------------**------------------------------** > -----========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/**listinfo/naktalk > ========----------------------**------------------------------** > -----========= > -- Fergus New limited CD release from the Japanese underground here: http://anmailorder.wordpress.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fergus.cullen at gmail.com Mon Oct 24 21:39:37 2011 From: fergus.cullen at gmail.com (Fergus Cullen) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 20:39:37 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 10-24-11 NO LONGER ON EBAY TAPEHEADS NAKTALK In-Reply-To: References: <4EA57A76.1040502@marrscom.com> Message-ID: Or should I say 'in practice' ! On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Fergus Cullen wrote: > I've had the same problem on Ebay. Some friends too. It's very stressful to > deal with claims like this when you've done nothing wrong. > Also you're totally right; These days Ebay completely favours the buyer > which sounds like a good idea but in theory it's a whole different ball > game. > > Fergus > > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Fred M. wrote: > >> >> *MARRS NO LONGER ON eBAY / WEBSITE ONLY !* >> ------------------------------**------------------------------** >> ------------ >> *10-24-11 MARRS WILL NO LONGER TOLERATE eBAY >> >> TO BE VERY CLEAR, THIS IS MARRS DECISION. eBay DID NOT BAN ME. I AM SURE >> YOU WILL HEAR CLAIMS TO THE CONTRARY. >> >> *** >> AFTER DOING SOME RESEARCH, TO RECONFIRM EVERY STATEMENT I MADE ABOUT eBay >> IN MY LAST POST IS 100% ACCURATE, I DISCOVERED SOMETHING ELSE.* >> >> IN THE PAST 90 DAYS, MARRS HAS REPLACED $1,192.00 AT MY COST, IN BELT KITS >> TO eBAY BUYERS, WHO FILED DISPUTES CLAIMING "NON RECEIPT". >> SINCE I SHIPPED FREE WORLDWIDE, I DID NOT PURCHASE " PROOF OF DELIVERY ". >> ( STUPID, I KNOW ). >> >> I KNOW THE POSTAL SERVICE IS NOT PERFECT, BUT GIVE ME A BREAK ! >> >> SEVERAL YEARS AGO, eBAY HAD A BIG PROBLEM WITH BUYERS GETTING RIPPED OFF >> BY SELLERS. >> eBay CHANGED THEIR POLICIES, AND NOW THEY HAVE THE OPPOSITE PROBLEM, >> SELLERS ARE GETTING RIPPED OFF. >> >> SINCE THEIR POLICY CHANGES, eBAY HAS DRAWN " BOTTOM FEEDERS " AS BUYERS. >> THEY KNOW WITH A LITTLE LYING, THEY CAN GET THEIR PURCHASE FREE ! >> >> I AM DONE WITH eBAY AND THEIR BUYERS. >> >> I MISS THE DAYS WHEN BUSINESS WAS DONE ON A HANDSHAKE ? >> PROOF, THIS WORLD IS IN A DOWNHILL SPIRAL. SAD. >> >> I COULD WRITE A BOOK ON THE "LOOPHOLES" IN THE Ebay SYSTEM, WHICH IS >> ENGINEERED AGAINST THEIR SELLERS. >> >> **************************************************** >> *********************************** >> >> TO ALL CUSTOMERS, PAST AND PRESENT : >> >> IF ANYONE TELLS YOU THEY GOT " RIPPED OFF " BY MARRS COMMUNICATIONS, IT IS >> AN OUTRIGHT LIE, AND I HAVE THE PROOF ! >> >> * I WILL BE RELYING ON MY WEBSITE FOR ORDERS. >> >> * PAYMENTS CAN BE MADE USING A US POSTAL MONEY ORDER, AT A " DISCOUNTED " >> PRICE >> >> * FOR CONVENIENCE AND SECURITY, PAYMENTS CAN ALSO BE MADE USING PAYPAL, SO >> YOU WILL HAVE THEIR PROTECTION. >> >> * ALL BELTS ARE GUARANTEED FOR 5 YEARS. NO HASSLE, JUST SAVE YOUR RECEIPT. >> >> * YOUR SATISFACTION IS 100% GUARANTEED ! >> >> * MY PERSONAL PHONE NUMBER WILL BE FURNISHED AFTER, YOU MAKE A PURCHASE. ( >> UPON REQUEST ) >> >> **************************************************** >> ************************************* >> >> EFFECTIVE 10-26-11,WEBSITE OPEN. >> >> http://www.**marrscommunications.com >> >> EMAIL : orders at marrscom.com >> >> **************************************************** >> ************************************ >> >> TO ALL CUSTOMERS WHO HAVE BEEN HAPPY WITH MY SERVICE, AND THE QUALITY OF >> MY BELTS IN THE PAST, WHICH IS THE MAJORITY, >> >> PLEASE SPREAD THE WORD ABOUT MY WEBSITE. >> >> I NEED YOUR HELP, DUE TO THE LOSS IN " TRAFFIC " ON eBAY >> >> THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO " MY SIDE " OF THE STORY. ( THE TRUTH, THE >> WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTING BUT THE TRUTH ). >> >> YOUR BUSINESS IS GREATLY APPRECIATED ! >> >> FRED M. >> >> >> ========----------------------**------------------------------** >> -----========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========----------------------**------------------------------** >> -----========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/** >> listinfo/naktalk >> ========----------------------**------------------------------** >> -----========= >> > > > > -- > Fergus > > New limited CD release from the Japanese underground here: > http://anmailorder.wordpress.com/ > > > > -- Fergus New limited CD release from the Japanese underground here: http://anmailorder.wordpress.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rpierce000 at centurytel.net Mon Oct 24 21:55:01 2011 From: rpierce000 at centurytel.net (Bob Pierce) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 12:55:01 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 10-24-11 NO LONGER ON EBAY TAPEHEADS NAKTALK In-Reply-To: References: <4EA57A76.1040502@marrscom.com> Message-ID: <01da01cc9286$d25c7790$771566b0$@centurytel.net> We sell on ebay and on our site, www.bttrains.com for any N scale enthusiasts on this list, and have had only one problem and that was as a buyer. Believe me, as a buyer you are not treated very well either. We had ONE seller rip us off for eight items. We had to go through support EIGHT TIMES. Each time we were told that we had to contact the seller, even though they did not reply to email and are in Hong Kong and they would not link the cases in any way. I eventually gave up and just took the hit, black marks as a buyer for non payment are not as bad as black marks as a seller. I am VERY concerned about the locked PayPal account. We use ours for a LOT of transactions that are NOT eBay. Do they lock up the whole account or only what covers the eBay transactions? Thank you for bringing this up, Bob Pierce BT Trains A fellow eBayer From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fergus Cullen Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 12:21 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] 10-24-11 NO LONGER ON EBAY TAPEHEADS NAKTALK I've had the same problem on Ebay. Some friends too. It's very stressful to deal with claims like this when you've done nothing wrong. Also you're totally right; These days Ebay completely favours the buyer which sounds like a good idea but in theory it's a whole different ball game. Fergus On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Fred M. wrote: *MARRS NO LONGER ON eBAY / WEBSITE ONLY !* ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *10-24-11 MARRS WILL NO LONGER TOLERATE eBAY TO BE VERY CLEAR, THIS IS MARRS DECISION. eBay DID NOT BAN ME. I AM SURE YOU WILL HEAR CLAIMS TO THE CONTRARY. *** AFTER DOING SOME RESEARCH, TO RECONFIRM EVERY STATEMENT I MADE ABOUT eBay IN MY LAST POST IS 100% ACCURATE, I DISCOVERED SOMETHING ELSE.* IN THE PAST 90 DAYS, MARRS HAS REPLACED $1,192.00 AT MY COST, IN BELT KITS TO eBAY BUYERS, WHO FILED DISPUTES CLAIMING "NON RECEIPT". SINCE I SHIPPED FREE WORLDWIDE, I DID NOT PURCHASE " PROOF OF DELIVERY ". ( STUPID, I KNOW ). I KNOW THE POSTAL SERVICE IS NOT PERFECT, BUT GIVE ME A BREAK ! SEVERAL YEARS AGO, eBAY HAD A BIG PROBLEM WITH BUYERS GETTING RIPPED OFF BY SELLERS. eBay CHANGED THEIR POLICIES, AND NOW THEY HAVE THE OPPOSITE PROBLEM, SELLERS ARE GETTING RIPPED OFF. SINCE THEIR POLICY CHANGES, eBAY HAS DRAWN " BOTTOM FEEDERS " AS BUYERS. THEY KNOW WITH A LITTLE LYING, THEY CAN GET THEIR PURCHASE FREE ! I AM DONE WITH eBAY AND THEIR BUYERS. I MISS THE DAYS WHEN BUSINESS WAS DONE ON A HANDSHAKE ? PROOF, THIS WORLD IS IN A DOWNHILL SPIRAL. SAD. I COULD WRITE A BOOK ON THE "LOOPHOLES" IN THE Ebay SYSTEM, WHICH IS ENGINEERED AGAINST THEIR SELLERS. ************************************************** ********************************* TO ALL CUSTOMERS, PAST AND PRESENT : IF ANYONE TELLS YOU THEY GOT " RIPPED OFF " BY MARRS COMMUNICATIONS, IT IS AN OUTRIGHT LIE, AND I HAVE THE PROOF ! * I WILL BE RELYING ON MY WEBSITE FOR ORDERS. * PAYMENTS CAN BE MADE USING A US POSTAL MONEY ORDER, AT A " DISCOUNTED " PRICE * FOR CONVENIENCE AND SECURITY, PAYMENTS CAN ALSO BE MADE USING PAYPAL, SO YOU WILL HAVE THEIR PROTECTION. * ALL BELTS ARE GUARANTEED FOR 5 YEARS. NO HASSLE, JUST SAVE YOUR RECEIPT. * YOUR SATISFACTION IS 100% GUARANTEED ! * MY PERSONAL PHONE NUMBER WILL BE FURNISHED AFTER, YOU MAKE A PURCHASE. ( UPON REQUEST ) ************************************************** *********************************** EFFECTIVE 10-26-11,WEBSITE OPEN. http://www.marrscommunications.com EMAIL : orders at marrscom.com ************************************************** ********************************** TO ALL CUSTOMERS WHO HAVE BEEN HAPPY WITH MY SERVICE, AND THE QUALITY OF MY BELTS IN THE PAST, WHICH IS THE MAJORITY, PLEASE SPREAD THE WORD ABOUT MY WEBSITE. I NEED YOUR HELP, DUE TO THE LOSS IN " TRAFFIC " ON eBAY THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO " MY SIDE " OF THE STORY. ( THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTING BUT THE TRUTH ). YOUR BUSINESS IS GREATLY APPRECIATED ! FRED M. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- Fergus New limited CD release from the Japanese underground here: http://anmailorder.wordpress.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 24 23:22:28 2011 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:22:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 10-24-11 NO LONGER ON EBAY TAPEHEADS NAKTALK In-Reply-To: <4EA57A76.1040502@marrscom.com> References: <4EA57A76.1040502@marrscom.com> Message-ID: <1319491348.36559.YahooMailNeo@web112714.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Fred, I feel for you. I know the deal since I buy and sell on ebay regularly, sometimes, expensive items. As a buyer one is completely protected by ebay...no questions asked, if communication is made promptly. However, as a seller its horrible.Sellers have no rights no matter how right they may be. In fact a recent buyer of my auction demanded a full refund (after I authorized return with a free label as per my policy) prior to returning an expensive item and insisted that he would not return the item unless the money was returned. If I had pursued with this buyer through ebay, I am sure he would have returned the item, but sure as well, would have left  left a negative for me for no fault of mine.....(yes the item was not working but I offered full refund and a return shipping label!) I returned the payment and kept on sweet talking and prayed I got the item back, which I luckily did.All I do was heave a sigh of relief and move on, of course having blocked the person as a bidder in my auctions.Thats all the rights we have as sellers! However, Fred, your policy of shipping without tracking is next to business suicide. You never ship anything on ebay without tracking. In summary, due diligence is the way to go. Good luck Fred....and all of you too! Ram. ________________________________ From: Fred M. To: "naktalk at naks.com" Cc: "nakamichi at marrscom.com" Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 10:47 AM Subject: [naktalk] 10-24-11 NO LONGER ON EBAY TAPEHEADS NAKTALK *MARRS NO LONGER ON eBAY / WEBSITE ONLY !* ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *10-24-11 MARRS WILL NO LONGER TOLERATE eBAY TO BE VERY CLEAR, THIS IS MARRS DECISION. eBay DID NOT BAN ME. I AM SURE YOU WILL HEAR CLAIMS TO THE CONTRARY. *** AFTER DOING SOME RESEARCH, TO RECONFIRM EVERY STATEMENT I MADE ABOUT eBay IN MY LAST POST IS 100% ACCURATE, I DISCOVERED SOMETHING ELSE.* IN THE PAST 90 DAYS, MARRS HAS REPLACED $1,192.00 AT MY COST, IN BELT KITS TO eBAY BUYERS, WHO FILED DISPUTES CLAIMING "NON RECEIPT". SINCE I SHIPPED FREE WORLDWIDE, I DID NOT PURCHASE " PROOF OF DELIVERY ". ( STUPID, I KNOW ). I KNOW THE POSTAL SERVICE IS NOT PERFECT, BUT GIVE ME A BREAK ! SEVERAL YEARS AGO, eBAY HAD A BIG PROBLEM WITH BUYERS GETTING RIPPED OFF BY SELLERS. eBay CHANGED THEIR POLICIES, AND NOW THEY HAVE THE OPPOSITE PROBLEM, SELLERS ARE GETTING RIPPED OFF. SINCE THEIR POLICY CHANGES, eBAY HAS DRAWN " BOTTOM FEEDERS " AS BUYERS. THEY KNOW WITH A LITTLE LYING, THEY CAN GET THEIR PURCHASE FREE ! I AM DONE WITH eBAY AND THEIR BUYERS. I MISS THE DAYS WHEN BUSINESS WAS DONE ON A HANDSHAKE ? PROOF, THIS WORLD IS IN A DOWNHILL SPIRAL. SAD. I COULD WRITE A BOOK ON THE "LOOPHOLES" IN THE Ebay SYSTEM, WHICH IS ENGINEERED AGAINST THEIR SELLERS. ************************************************** ********************************* TO ALL CUSTOMERS, PAST AND PRESENT : IF ANYONE TELLS YOU THEY GOT " RIPPED OFF " BY MARRS COMMUNICATIONS, IT IS AN OUTRIGHT LIE, AND I HAVE THE PROOF ! * I WILL BE RELYING ON MY WEBSITE FOR ORDERS. * PAYMENTS CAN BE MADE USING A US POSTAL MONEY ORDER, AT A " DISCOUNTED " PRICE * FOR CONVENIENCE AND SECURITY, PAYMENTS CAN ALSO BE MADE USING PAYPAL, SO YOU WILL HAVE THEIR PROTECTION. * ALL BELTS ARE GUARANTEED FOR 5 YEARS. NO HASSLE, JUST SAVE YOUR RECEIPT. * YOUR SATISFACTION IS 100% GUARANTEED ! * MY PERSONAL PHONE NUMBER WILL BE FURNISHED AFTER, YOU MAKE A PURCHASE. ( UPON REQUEST ) ************************************************** *********************************** EFFECTIVE 10-26-11,WEBSITE OPEN. http://www.marrscommunications.com EMAIL : orders at marrscom.com ************************************************** ********************************** TO ALL CUSTOMERS WHO HAVE BEEN HAPPY WITH MY SERVICE, AND THE QUALITY OF MY BELTS IN THE PAST, WHICH IS THE MAJORITY, PLEASE SPREAD THE WORD ABOUT MY WEBSITE. I NEED YOUR HELP, DUE TO THE LOSS IN " TRAFFIC " ON eBAY THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO " MY SIDE " OF THE STORY. ( THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTING BUT THE TRUTH ). YOUR BUSINESS IS GREATLY APPRECIATED ! FRED M. ========---------------------------------------------------------=========         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidt124 at internode.on.net Tue Oct 25 07:21:14 2011 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 15:21:14 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Dolby C noise Message-ID: My 682ZX deck is producing some static noise in the right channel with Dolby C turned on. It has a ticking pulse that flicks the bar from ­20 to ­15db. It occurs in Play with no tape in the deck. There is occasional slight noise in the Off position and next to none in the B position. I have tried cleaning the toggle switch with CRC 2-26 but with little effect. Is there a preferred cleaning method or could it be a faulty capacitor? I would appreciate any pointers please. David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ti at amb.org Mon Oct 24 22:40:48 2011 From: ti at amb.org (Ti Kan) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 13:40:48 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 10-24-11 NO LONGER ON EBAY TAPEHEADS NAKTALK In-Reply-To: References: <4EA57A76.1040502@marrscom.com> Message-ID: <20111024204048.GA21539@bazooka.amb.org> PayPal, being owned by ebay, also has the same policy and I've been burned before. It's difficult not to accept PayPal, though, in this day and age of online commerce, doing that would mean significant loss of business, as well as credit card fees (if you become a merchant that accepts credit cards directly, that is). -Ti On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Fergus Cullen wrote: > I've had the same problem on Ebay. Some friends too. It's very stressful to > deal with claims like this when you've done nothing wrong. > Also you're totally right; These days Ebay completely favours the buyer > which sounds like a good idea but in theory it's a whole different ball > game. > > Fergus > > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Fred M. wrote: >> >> *MARRS NO LONGER ON eBAY / WEBSITE ONLY !* >> ------------------------------**------------------------------** >> ------------ >> *10-24-11 MARRS WILL NO LONGER TOLERATE eBAY >> >> TO BE VERY CLEAR, THIS IS MARRS DECISION. eBay DID NOT BAN ME. I AM SURE >> YOU WILL HEAR CLAIMS TO THE CONTRARY. >> >> *** >> AFTER DOING SOME RESEARCH, TO RECONFIRM EVERY STATEMENT I MADE ABOUT eBay >> IN MY LAST POST IS 100% ACCURATE, I DISCOVERED SOMETHING ELSE.* >> >> IN THE PAST 90 DAYS, MARRS HAS REPLACED $1,192.00 AT MY COST, IN BELT KITS >> TO eBAY BUYERS, WHO FILED DISPUTES CLAIMING "NON RECEIPT". >> SINCE I SHIPPED FREE WORLDWIDE, I DID NOT PURCHASE " PROOF OF DELIVERY ". >> ( STUPID, I KNOW ). >> >> I KNOW THE POSTAL SERVICE IS NOT PERFECT, BUT GIVE ME A BREAK ! >> >> SEVERAL YEARS AGO, eBAY HAD A BIG PROBLEM WITH BUYERS GETTING RIPPED OFF >> BY SELLERS. >> eBay CHANGED THEIR POLICIES, AND NOW THEY HAVE THE OPPOSITE PROBLEM, >> SELLERS ARE GETTING RIPPED OFF. >> >> SINCE THEIR POLICY CHANGES, eBAY HAS DRAWN " BOTTOM FEEDERS " AS BUYERS. >> THEY KNOW WITH A LITTLE LYING, THEY CAN GET THEIR PURCHASE FREE ! >> >> I AM DONE WITH eBAY AND THEIR BUYERS. >> >> I MISS THE DAYS WHEN BUSINESS WAS DONE ON A HANDSHAKE ? >> PROOF, THIS WORLD IS IN A DOWNHILL SPIRAL. SAD. >> >> I COULD WRITE A BOOK ON THE "LOOPHOLES" IN THE Ebay SYSTEM, WHICH IS >> ENGINEERED AGAINST THEIR SELLERS. >> >> **************************************************** >> *********************************** >> >> TO ALL CUSTOMERS, PAST AND PRESENT : >> >> IF ANYONE TELLS YOU THEY GOT " RIPPED OFF " BY MARRS COMMUNICATIONS, IT IS >> AN OUTRIGHT LIE, AND I HAVE THE PROOF ! >> >> * I WILL BE RELYING ON MY WEBSITE FOR ORDERS. >> >> * PAYMENTS CAN BE MADE USING A US POSTAL MONEY ORDER, AT A " DISCOUNTED " >> PRICE >> >> * FOR CONVENIENCE AND SECURITY, PAYMENTS CAN ALSO BE MADE USING PAYPAL, SO >> YOU WILL HAVE THEIR PROTECTION. >> >> * ALL BELTS ARE GUARANTEED FOR 5 YEARS. NO HASSLE, JUST SAVE YOUR RECEIPT. >> >> * YOUR SATISFACTION IS 100% GUARANTEED ! >> >> * MY PERSONAL PHONE NUMBER WILL BE FURNISHED AFTER, YOU MAKE A PURCHASE. ( >> UPON REQUEST ) >> >> **************************************************** >> ************************************* >> >> EFFECTIVE 10-26-11,WEBSITE OPEN. >> >> http://www.**marrscommunications.com >> >> EMAIL : orders at marrscom.com >> >> **************************************************** >> ************************************ >> >> TO ALL CUSTOMERS WHO HAVE BEEN HAPPY WITH MY SERVICE, AND THE QUALITY OF >> MY BELTS IN THE PAST, WHICH IS THE MAJORITY, >> >> PLEASE SPREAD THE WORD ABOUT MY WEBSITE. >> >> I NEED YOUR HELP, DUE TO THE LOSS IN " TRAFFIC " ON eBAY >> >> THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO " MY SIDE " OF THE STORY. ( THE TRUTH, THE >> WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTING BUT THE TRUTH ). >> >> YOUR BUSINESS IS GREATLY APPRECIATED ! >> >> FRED M. From jmrecchia at gmail.com Tue Oct 25 01:33:34 2011 From: jmrecchia at gmail.com (Flavio Belato) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 21:33:34 -0200 Subject: [naktalk] 10-24-11 NO LONGER ON EBAY TAPEHEADS NAKTALK In-Reply-To: <4EA57A76.1040502@marrscom.com> References: <4EA57A76.1040502@marrscom.com> Message-ID: Hello. I feel for you. I would like to say to everyone that I bought a "Nakamichi Dragon complete 3 belt kit" from Marrs Communications and I received quickly, the communication was perfect and the kit worked very well. I recommend your products to everyone! I wish you best of luck! Best regards from Brazil. Flavio. 2011/10/24 Fred M. > > *MARRS NO LONGER ON eBAY / WEBSITE ONLY !* > ------------------------------**------------------------------** > ------------ > *10-24-11 MARRS WILL NO LONGER TOLERATE eBAY > > TO BE VERY CLEAR, THIS IS MARRS DECISION. eBay DID NOT BAN ME. I AM SURE > YOU WILL HEAR CLAIMS TO THE CONTRARY. > > *** > AFTER DOING SOME RESEARCH, TO RECONFIRM EVERY STATEMENT I MADE ABOUT eBay > IN MY LAST POST IS 100% ACCURATE, I DISCOVERED SOMETHING ELSE.* > > IN THE PAST 90 DAYS, MARRS HAS REPLACED $1,192.00 AT MY COST, IN BELT KITS > TO eBAY BUYERS, WHO FILED DISPUTES CLAIMING "NON RECEIPT". > SINCE I SHIPPED FREE WORLDWIDE, I DID NOT PURCHASE " PROOF OF DELIVERY ". ( > STUPID, I KNOW ). > > I KNOW THE POSTAL SERVICE IS NOT PERFECT, BUT GIVE ME A BREAK ! > > SEVERAL YEARS AGO, eBAY HAD A BIG PROBLEM WITH BUYERS GETTING RIPPED OFF BY > SELLERS. > eBay CHANGED THEIR POLICIES, AND NOW THEY HAVE THE OPPOSITE PROBLEM, > SELLERS ARE GETTING RIPPED OFF. > > SINCE THEIR POLICY CHANGES, eBAY HAS DRAWN " BOTTOM FEEDERS " AS BUYERS. > THEY KNOW WITH A LITTLE LYING, THEY CAN GET THEIR PURCHASE FREE ! > > I AM DONE WITH eBAY AND THEIR BUYERS. > > I MISS THE DAYS WHEN BUSINESS WAS DONE ON A HANDSHAKE ? > PROOF, THIS WORLD IS IN A DOWNHILL SPIRAL. SAD. > > I COULD WRITE A BOOK ON THE "LOOPHOLES" IN THE Ebay SYSTEM, WHICH IS > ENGINEERED AGAINST THEIR SELLERS. > > **************************************************** > *********************************** > > TO ALL CUSTOMERS, PAST AND PRESENT : > > IF ANYONE TELLS YOU THEY GOT " RIPPED OFF " BY MARRS COMMUNICATIONS, IT IS > AN OUTRIGHT LIE, AND I HAVE THE PROOF ! > > * I WILL BE RELYING ON MY WEBSITE FOR ORDERS. > > * PAYMENTS CAN BE MADE USING A US POSTAL MONEY ORDER, AT A " DISCOUNTED " > PRICE > > * FOR CONVENIENCE AND SECURITY, PAYMENTS CAN ALSO BE MADE USING PAYPAL, SO > YOU WILL HAVE THEIR PROTECTION. > > * ALL BELTS ARE GUARANTEED FOR 5 YEARS. NO HASSLE, JUST SAVE YOUR RECEIPT. > > * YOUR SATISFACTION IS 100% GUARANTEED ! > > * MY PERSONAL PHONE NUMBER WILL BE FURNISHED AFTER, YOU MAKE A PURCHASE. ( > UPON REQUEST ) > > **************************************************** > ************************************* > > EFFECTIVE 10-26-11,WEBSITE OPEN. > > http://www.**marrscommunications.com > > EMAIL : orders at marrscom.com > > **************************************************** > ************************************ > > TO ALL CUSTOMERS WHO HAVE BEEN HAPPY WITH MY SERVICE, AND THE QUALITY OF MY > BELTS IN THE PAST, WHICH IS THE MAJORITY, > > PLEASE SPREAD THE WORD ABOUT MY WEBSITE. > > I NEED YOUR HELP, DUE TO THE LOSS IN " TRAFFIC " ON eBAY > > THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO " MY SIDE " OF THE STORY. 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Each time we were told that we had to contact the seller, even though > they did not reply to email and are in Hong Kong and they would not link the > cases in any way. I eventually gave up and just took the hit, black marks as > a buyer for non payment are not as bad as black marks as a seller.**** > > ** ** > > I am VERY concerned about the locked PayPal account. We use ours for a LOT > of transactions that are NOT eBay. Do they lock up the whole account or only > what covers the eBay transactions?**** > > ** ** > > Thank you for bringing this up,**** > > Bob Pierce**** > > BT Trains**** > > A fellow eBayer**** > > ** ** > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *Fergus Cullen > *Sent:* Monday, October 24, 2011 12:21 PM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] 10-24-11 NO LONGER ON EBAY TAPEHEADS NAKTALK**** > > ** ** > > I've had the same problem on Ebay. Some friends too. It's very stressful to > deal with claims like this when you've done nothing wrong. **** > > Also you're totally right; These days Ebay completely favours the buyer > which sounds like a good idea but in theory it's a whole different ball > game.**** > > ** ** > > Fergus**** > > ** ** > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Fred M. wrote:** > ** > > > *MARRS NO LONGER ON eBAY / WEBSITE ONLY !* > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *10-24-11 MARRS WILL NO LONGER TOLERATE eBAY > > TO BE VERY CLEAR, THIS IS MARRS DECISION. eBay DID NOT BAN ME. I AM SURE > YOU WILL HEAR CLAIMS TO THE CONTRARY. > > *** > AFTER DOING SOME RESEARCH, TO RECONFIRM EVERY STATEMENT I MADE ABOUT eBay > IN MY LAST POST IS 100% ACCURATE, I DISCOVERED SOMETHING ELSE.* > > IN THE PAST 90 DAYS, MARRS HAS REPLACED $1,192.00 AT MY COST, IN BELT KITS > TO eBAY BUYERS, WHO FILED DISPUTES CLAIMING "NON RECEIPT". > SINCE I SHIPPED FREE WORLDWIDE, I DID NOT PURCHASE " PROOF OF DELIVERY ". ( > STUPID, I KNOW ). > > I KNOW THE POSTAL SERVICE IS NOT PERFECT, BUT GIVE ME A BREAK ! > > SEVERAL YEARS AGO, eBAY HAD A BIG PROBLEM WITH BUYERS GETTING RIPPED OFF BY > SELLERS. > eBay CHANGED THEIR POLICIES, AND NOW THEY HAVE THE OPPOSITE PROBLEM, > SELLERS ARE GETTING RIPPED OFF. > > SINCE THEIR POLICY CHANGES, eBAY HAS DRAWN " BOTTOM FEEDERS " AS BUYERS. > THEY KNOW WITH A LITTLE LYING, THEY CAN GET THEIR PURCHASE FREE ! > > I AM DONE WITH eBAY AND THEIR BUYERS. > > I MISS THE DAYS WHEN BUSINESS WAS DONE ON A HANDSHAKE ? > PROOF, THIS WORLD IS IN A DOWNHILL SPIRAL. SAD. > > I COULD WRITE A BOOK ON THE "LOOPHOLES" IN THE Ebay SYSTEM, WHICH IS > ENGINEERED AGAINST THEIR SELLERS. > > ************************************************** > ********************************* > > TO ALL CUSTOMERS, PAST AND PRESENT : > > IF ANYONE TELLS YOU THEY GOT " RIPPED OFF " BY MARRS COMMUNICATIONS, IT IS > AN OUTRIGHT LIE, AND I HAVE THE PROOF ! > > * I WILL BE RELYING ON MY WEBSITE FOR ORDERS. > > * PAYMENTS CAN BE MADE USING A US POSTAL MONEY ORDER, AT A " DISCOUNTED " > PRICE > > * FOR CONVENIENCE AND SECURITY, PAYMENTS CAN ALSO BE MADE USING PAYPAL, SO > YOU WILL HAVE THEIR PROTECTION. > > * ALL BELTS ARE GUARANTEED FOR 5 YEARS. NO HASSLE, JUST SAVE YOUR RECEIPT. > > * YOUR SATISFACTION IS 100% GUARANTEED ! > > * MY PERSONAL PHONE NUMBER WILL BE FURNISHED AFTER, YOU MAKE A PURCHASE. ( > UPON REQUEST ) > > ************************************************** > *********************************** > > EFFECTIVE 10-26-11,WEBSITE OPEN. > > http://www.marrscommunications.com > > EMAIL : orders at marrscom.com > > ************************************************** > ********************************** > > TO ALL CUSTOMERS WHO HAVE BEEN HAPPY WITH MY SERVICE, AND THE QUALITY OF MY > BELTS IN THE PAST, WHICH IS THE MAJORITY, > > PLEASE SPREAD THE WORD ABOUT MY WEBSITE. > > I NEED YOUR HELP, DUE TO THE LOSS IN " TRAFFIC " ON eBAY > > THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO " MY SIDE " OF THE STORY. ( THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE > TRUTH, AND NOTING BUT THE TRUTH ). > > YOUR BUSINESS IS GREATLY APPRECIATED ! > > FRED M. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > **** > > > > **** > > ** ** > > -- > Fergus**** > > ** ** > > New limited CD release from the Japanese underground here:**** > > http://anmailorder.wordpress.com/**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Fergus New limited CD release from the Japanese underground here: http://anmailorder.wordpress.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It basically says that if they make a mistake, tough, if I make a mistake, I have to use THEIR records to prove it and if anything goes wrong they can charge me fees to straighten it out, even if they screwed it up in the first place! This is more than eBay, this is the little guy and the big guy, but I have NO idea how to fight the war, the big guys control too much of my life. (And I apologize to whomever is reading this for them). Bob -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ti Kan Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 1:41 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] 10-24-11 NO LONGER ON EBAY TAPEHEADS NAKTALK PayPal, being owned by ebay, also has the same policy and I've been burned before. It's difficult not to accept PayPal, though, in this day and age of online commerce, doing that would mean significant loss of business, as well as credit card fees (if you become a merchant that accepts credit cards directly, that is). -Ti On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Fergus Cullen wrote: > I've had the same problem on Ebay. Some friends too. It's very > stressful to deal with claims like this when you've done nothing wrong. > Also you're totally right; These days Ebay completely favours the > buyer which sounds like a good idea but in theory it's a whole > different ball game. > > Fergus > > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Fred M. wrote: >> >> *MARRS NO LONGER ON eBAY / WEBSITE ONLY !* >> ------------------------------**------------------------------** >> ------------ >> *10-24-11 MARRS WILL NO LONGER TOLERATE eBAY >> >> TO BE VERY CLEAR, THIS IS MARRS DECISION. eBay DID NOT BAN ME. I AM >> SURE YOU WILL HEAR CLAIMS TO THE CONTRARY. >> >> *** >> AFTER DOING SOME RESEARCH, TO RECONFIRM EVERY STATEMENT I MADE ABOUT >> eBay IN MY LAST POST IS 100% ACCURATE, I DISCOVERED SOMETHING ELSE.* >> >> IN THE PAST 90 DAYS, MARRS HAS REPLACED $1,192.00 AT MY COST, IN BELT >> KITS TO eBAY BUYERS, WHO FILED DISPUTES CLAIMING "NON RECEIPT". >> SINCE I SHIPPED FREE WORLDWIDE, I DID NOT PURCHASE " PROOF OF DELIVERY ". >> ( STUPID, I KNOW ). >> >> I KNOW THE POSTAL SERVICE IS NOT PERFECT, BUT GIVE ME A BREAK ! >> >> SEVERAL YEARS AGO, eBAY HAD A BIG PROBLEM WITH BUYERS GETTING RIPPED >> OFF BY SELLERS. >> eBay CHANGED THEIR POLICIES, AND NOW THEY HAVE THE OPPOSITE PROBLEM, >> SELLERS ARE GETTING RIPPED OFF. >> >> SINCE THEIR POLICY CHANGES, eBAY HAS DRAWN " BOTTOM FEEDERS " AS BUYERS. >> THEY KNOW WITH A LITTLE LYING, THEY CAN GET THEIR PURCHASE FREE ! >> >> I AM DONE WITH eBAY AND THEIR BUYERS. >> >> I MISS THE DAYS WHEN BUSINESS WAS DONE ON A HANDSHAKE ? >> PROOF, THIS WORLD IS IN A DOWNHILL SPIRAL. SAD. >> >> I COULD WRITE A BOOK ON THE "LOOPHOLES" IN THE Ebay SYSTEM, WHICH IS >> ENGINEERED AGAINST THEIR SELLERS. >> >> **************************************************** >> *********************************** >> >> TO ALL CUSTOMERS, PAST AND PRESENT : >> >> IF ANYONE TELLS YOU THEY GOT " RIPPED OFF " BY MARRS COMMUNICATIONS, >> IT IS AN OUTRIGHT LIE, AND I HAVE THE PROOF ! >> >> * I WILL BE RELYING ON MY WEBSITE FOR ORDERS. >> >> * PAYMENTS CAN BE MADE USING A US POSTAL MONEY ORDER, AT A " DISCOUNTED " >> PRICE >> >> * FOR CONVENIENCE AND SECURITY, PAYMENTS CAN ALSO BE MADE USING >> PAYPAL, SO YOU WILL HAVE THEIR PROTECTION. >> >> * ALL BELTS ARE GUARANTEED FOR 5 YEARS. NO HASSLE, JUST SAVE YOUR RECEIPT. >> >> * YOUR SATISFACTION IS 100% GUARANTEED ! >> >> * MY PERSONAL PHONE NUMBER WILL BE FURNISHED AFTER, YOU MAKE A >> PURCHASE. ( UPON REQUEST ) >> >> **************************************************** >> ************************************* >> >> EFFECTIVE 10-26-11,WEBSITE OPEN. >> >> http://www.**marrscommunications.com >> >> >> EMAIL : orders at marrscom.com >> >> **************************************************** >> ************************************ >> >> TO ALL CUSTOMERS WHO HAVE BEEN HAPPY WITH MY SERVICE, AND THE QUALITY >> OF MY BELTS IN THE PAST, WHICH IS THE MAJORITY, >> >> PLEASE SPREAD THE WORD ABOUT MY WEBSITE. >> >> I NEED YOUR HELP, DUE TO THE LOSS IN " TRAFFIC " ON eBAY >> >> THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO " MY SIDE " OF THE STORY. ( THE TRUTH, THE >> WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTING BUT THE TRUTH ). >> >> YOUR BUSINESS IS GREATLY APPRECIATED ! >> >> FRED M. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From fred at marrscom.com Tue Oct 25 13:24:56 2011 From: fred at marrscom.com (Fred Marrs) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 06:24:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 10-25-11 NO LONGER ON EBAY NAKTALK Message-ID: <4EA69C88.5020507@marrscom.com> 10-25-11 Absolutely correct about the mailing with no " proof " of delivery. Free Shipping sure brought a Ton of business, especially Non-US Customers. Worked great for about 4 years. These problems only started this year. As to PayPal : So far, they are only holding payment on purchases made on the eBay site. Payment made Directly are Not being Held. Please spread the word about my website. The loss of traffic is going to be killer. Thanks to All, Fred M. nakamichi at marrscom.com http://www.marrscommunications.com From stekast at yahoo.com Tue Oct 25 15:46:05 2011 From: stekast at yahoo.com (stelios kastanakis) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 06:46:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RE: 10-24-11 NO LONGER ON EBAY TAPEHEADS NAKTALK Message-ID: <1319550365.76134.YahooMailNeo@web161405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hi   The trough is that i never had a problem about delivery of your belts. By the way , i have recently bought some belts for my zx-9 and i wasn't able to leave you a possitive  feedback, because strangely i have lost you from my purchase history.   Regards   Stelios -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Tue Oct 25 16:06:12 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 07:06:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dolby C noise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1319551572.51609.YahooMailNeo@web130109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The cause could be any number of things. Yes, a bad cap is a possibility, as well as a bad active device (IC or transistor), coil or even resistor, but high on my list of things to check would be a bad solder joint and/or a hairline crack in a PCB track.  The 'correct' way to locate the area where the problem originates is to trace the signal on the PCB, to but since you already know that it's in Dolby-C, the area is already defined. Try to tap on the PCB and components in this area, lightly, with the handle of a screw driver while lisening to the static. If you can hear a difference due to the tapping, try to zero in on the exact PCB trace or component. A freezing spray and/or heat gun may help. If tapping/heating/freezing have no effect, I would then resort to signal tracing. Good luck, -- Ron >________________________________ >From: David Thompson >To: Naktalk >Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 1:21 AM >Subject: [naktalk] Dolby C noise > > >My 682ZX deck is producing some static noise in the right channel with Dolby C turned on. It has a ticking pulse that flicks the bar from –20 to –15db. It occurs in Play with no tape in the deck. There is occasional slight noise in the Off position and next to none in the B position. I have tried cleaning the toggle switch with CRC 2-26 but with little effect. Is there a preferred cleaning method or could it be a faulty capacitor? >I would appreciate any pointers please. > > >David >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Tue Oct 25 17:29:30 2011 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 08:29:30 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dolby C noise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My bet is on one of the orange drop caps in the Dolby circuit. I just had two with your same symptom and found the caps as the cause. Although I don't usually recommend it I think replacing all of the orange drop caps in both channels of the Dolby circuit is appropriate. Best of luck. Willy On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 10:21 PM, David Thompson wrote: > My 682ZX deck is producing some static noise in the right channel with > Dolby C turned on. It has a ticking pulse that flicks the bar from –20 to > –15db. It occurs in Play with no tape in the deck. There is occasional > slight noise in the Off position and next to none in the B position. I have > tried cleaning the toggle switch with CRC 2-26 but with little effect. Is > there a preferred cleaning method or could it be a faulty capacitor? > I would appreciate any pointers please. > > David > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yregelman at gmail.com Tue Oct 25 17:35:08 2011 From: yregelman at gmail.com (Yuri Regelman) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 08:35:08 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 10-24-11 NO LONGER ON EBAY TAPEHEADS NAKTALK In-Reply-To: References: <4EA57A76.1040502@marrscom.com> Message-ID: I've bought many belt kits from Fred. I never had a problem with communication, delivery or the product itself. He does a great service for us and I hope he keeps at it, Ebay or not. I trust him and I can send him a personal check in the mail for my next purchase if need be. Just my 2 cents. Cheers, Yuri On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Flavio Belato wrote: > Hello. > > I feel for you. > > I would like to say to everyone that I bought a "Nakamichi Dragon complete 3 > belt kit" from Marrs Communications and I received quickly, the > communication was perfect and the kit worked very well. > I recommend your products to everyone! > > I wish you best of luck! > > Best regards from Brazil. > > Flavio. > > 2011/10/24 Fred M. >> >> *MARRS NO LONGER ON eBAY / WEBSITE ONLY !* >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *10-24-11 MARRS WILL NO LONGER TOLERATE eBAY >> >> TO BE VERY CLEAR, THIS IS MARRS DECISION. eBay DID NOT BAN ME. I AM SURE >> YOU WILL HEAR CLAIMS TO THE CONTRARY. >> >> *** >> AFTER DOING SOME RESEARCH, TO RECONFIRM EVERY STATEMENT I MADE ABOUT eBay >> IN MY LAST POST IS 100% ACCURATE, I DISCOVERED SOMETHING ELSE.* >> >> IN THE PAST 90 DAYS, MARRS HAS REPLACED $1,192.00 AT MY COST, IN BELT KITS >> TO eBAY BUYERS, WHO FILED DISPUTES CLAIMING "NON RECEIPT". >> SINCE I SHIPPED FREE WORLDWIDE, I DID NOT PURCHASE " PROOF OF DELIVERY ". >> ( STUPID, I KNOW ). >> >> I KNOW THE POSTAL SERVICE IS NOT PERFECT, BUT GIVE ME A BREAK ! >> >> SEVERAL YEARS AGO, eBAY HAD A BIG PROBLEM WITH BUYERS GETTING RIPPED OFF >> BY SELLERS. >> eBay CHANGED THEIR POLICIES, AND NOW THEY HAVE THE OPPOSITE PROBLEM, >> SELLERS ARE GETTING RIPPED OFF. >> >> SINCE THEIR POLICY CHANGES, eBAY HAS DRAWN " BOTTOM FEEDERS " AS BUYERS. >> THEY KNOW WITH A LITTLE LYING, THEY CAN GET THEIR PURCHASE FREE ! >> >> I AM DONE WITH eBAY AND THEIR BUYERS. >> >> I MISS THE DAYS WHEN BUSINESS WAS DONE ON A HANDSHAKE ? >> PROOF, THIS WORLD IS IN A DOWNHILL SPIRAL. SAD. >> >> I COULD WRITE A BOOK ON THE "LOOPHOLES" IN THE Ebay SYSTEM, WHICH IS >> ENGINEERED AGAINST THEIR SELLERS. >> >> ************************************************** >> ********************************* >> >> TO ALL CUSTOMERS, PAST AND PRESENT : >> >> IF ANYONE TELLS YOU THEY GOT " RIPPED OFF " BY MARRS COMMUNICATIONS, IT IS >> AN OUTRIGHT LIE, AND I HAVE THE PROOF ! >> >> * I WILL BE RELYING ON MY WEBSITE FOR ORDERS. >> >> * PAYMENTS CAN BE MADE USING A US POSTAL MONEY ORDER, AT A " DISCOUNTED " >> PRICE >> >> * FOR CONVENIENCE AND SECURITY, PAYMENTS CAN ALSO BE MADE USING PAYPAL, SO >> YOU WILL HAVE THEIR PROTECTION. >> >> * ALL BELTS ARE GUARANTEED FOR 5 YEARS. NO HASSLE, JUST SAVE YOUR RECEIPT. >> >> * YOUR SATISFACTION IS 100% GUARANTEED ! >> >> * MY PERSONAL PHONE NUMBER WILL BE FURNISHED AFTER, YOU MAKE A PURCHASE. ( >> UPON REQUEST ) >> >> ************************************************** >> *********************************** >> >> EFFECTIVE 10-26-11,WEBSITE OPEN. >> >> http://www.marrscommunications.com >> >> EMAIL : orders at marrscom.com >> >> ************************************************** >> ********************************** >> >> TO ALL CUSTOMERS WHO HAVE BEEN HAPPY WITH MY SERVICE, AND THE QUALITY OF >> MY BELTS IN THE PAST, WHICH IS THE MAJORITY, >> >> PLEASE SPREAD THE WORD ABOUT MY WEBSITE. >> >> I NEED YOUR HELP, DUE TO THE LOSS IN " TRAFFIC " ON eBAY >> >> THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO " MY SIDE " OF THE STORY. ( THE TRUTH, THE >> WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTING BUT THE TRUTH ). >> >> YOUR BUSINESS IS GREATLY APPRECIATED ! >> >> FRED M. >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From rpierce000 at centurytel.net Tue Oct 25 18:04:44 2011 From: rpierce000 at centurytel.net (Bob Pierce) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 09:04:44 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 10-25-11 NO LONGER ON EBAY NAKTALK In-Reply-To: <4EA69C88.5020507@marrscom.com> References: <4EA69C88.5020507@marrscom.com> Message-ID: <036c01cc932f$d0f86ef0$72e94cd0$@centurytel.net> When we built our site we worried a lot if the investment was worth it. It took a LOT of work and we were getting a good revenue stream from eBay. 80% of our revenue is now from the site, only 3 months later, and most of it is from people who NEVER heard of us before. Find one of the $100 free AdWords promos and spend it, that will kick your sales. Break a belt! Bob -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Fred Marrs Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 4:25 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: A-fred at marrscom.com Subject: [naktalk] 10-25-11 NO LONGER ON EBAY NAKTALK 10-25-11 Absolutely correct about the mailing with no " proof " of delivery. Free Shipping sure brought a Ton of business, especially Non-US Customers. Worked great for about 4 years. These problems only started this year. As to PayPal : So far, they are only holding payment on purchases made on the eBay site. Payment made Directly are Not being Held. Please spread the word about my website. The loss of traffic is going to be killer. Thanks to All, Fred M. nakamichi at marrscom.com http://www.marrscommunications.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se Tue Oct 25 18:19:26 2011 From: paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?P=E4r_Ericsson?=) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 18:19:26 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Dolby C noise References: Message-ID: <5FB03DF8EC574D629F34C5FD5A16D005@superdator> I had the samme problem on a recently purchased ZX-7. Replaced all orange caps on the Dolby and main board and voila! Problem gone! I always replace all orange but this is acctually the first time i have heard with my own ears the effect of bad orange caps. Pelle. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Thompson To: Naktalk Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 7:21 AM Subject: [naktalk] Dolby C noise My 682ZX deck is producing some static noise in the right channel with Dolby C turned on. It has a ticking pulse that flicks the bar from -20 to -15db. It occurs in Play with no tape in the deck. There is occasional slight noise in the Off position and next to none in the B position. I have tried cleaning the toggle switch with CRC 2-26 but with little effect. Is there a preferred cleaning method or could it be a faulty capacitor? I would appreciate any pointers please. David ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spacepup at hotmail.com Tue Oct 25 19:14:50 2011 From: spacepup at hotmail.com (Sean Reid) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 13:14:50 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 10-24-11 NO LONGER ON EBAY TAPEHEADS NAKTALK In-Reply-To: <4EA57A76.1040502@marrscom.com> References: <4EA57A76.1040502@marrscom.com> Message-ID: Just wanted to throw my 2 cents worth in here. Dealt with Fred a couple of times, and it was always a good experience. He pretty much trips over himself to help you if there are any problems, and offers good advice, free of charge. It's a shame that eBay is (d)evolving into this inhospitable place... I'm noticing it as well as a seller... it's pretty much dumb luck that I haven't had any kind of troubles, but I can see exactly how it could all spiral out of control in the blink of an eye. I'll always point business your way Fred. You've been good to me, so I'm more than happy to return the favour, and then some :) > Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 09:47:18 -0500 > From: nakamichi at marrscom.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > CC: nakamichi at marrscom.com > Subject: [naktalk] 10-24-11 NO LONGER ON EBAY TAPEHEADS NAKTALK > > > *MARRS NO LONGER ON eBAY / WEBSITE ONLY !* > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *10-24-11 MARRS WILL NO LONGER TOLERATE eBAY > > TO BE VERY CLEAR, THIS IS MARRS DECISION. eBay DID NOT BAN ME. I AM SURE > YOU WILL HEAR CLAIMS TO THE CONTRARY. > > *** > AFTER DOING SOME RESEARCH, TO RECONFIRM EVERY STATEMENT I MADE ABOUT > eBay IN MY LAST POST IS 100% ACCURATE, I DISCOVERED SOMETHING ELSE.* > > IN THE PAST 90 DAYS, MARRS HAS REPLACED $1,192.00 AT MY COST, IN BELT > KITS TO eBAY BUYERS, WHO FILED DISPUTES CLAIMING "NON RECEIPT". > SINCE I SHIPPED FREE WORLDWIDE, I DID NOT PURCHASE " PROOF OF DELIVERY > ". ( STUPID, I KNOW ). > > I KNOW THE POSTAL SERVICE IS NOT PERFECT, BUT GIVE ME A BREAK ! > > SEVERAL YEARS AGO, eBAY HAD A BIG PROBLEM WITH BUYERS GETTING RIPPED OFF > BY SELLERS. > eBay CHANGED THEIR POLICIES, AND NOW THEY HAVE THE OPPOSITE PROBLEM, > SELLERS ARE GETTING RIPPED OFF. > > SINCE THEIR POLICY CHANGES, eBAY HAS DRAWN " BOTTOM FEEDERS " AS BUYERS. > THEY KNOW WITH A LITTLE LYING, THEY CAN GET THEIR PURCHASE FREE ! > > I AM DONE WITH eBAY AND THEIR BUYERS. > > I MISS THE DAYS WHEN BUSINESS WAS DONE ON A HANDSHAKE ? > PROOF, THIS WORLD IS IN A DOWNHILL SPIRAL. SAD. > > I COULD WRITE A BOOK ON THE "LOOPHOLES" IN THE Ebay SYSTEM, WHICH IS > ENGINEERED AGAINST THEIR SELLERS. > > ************************************************** > ********************************* > > TO ALL CUSTOMERS, PAST AND PRESENT : > > IF ANYONE TELLS YOU THEY GOT " RIPPED OFF " BY MARRS COMMUNICATIONS, IT > IS AN OUTRIGHT LIE, AND I HAVE THE PROOF ! > > * I WILL BE RELYING ON MY WEBSITE FOR ORDERS. > > * PAYMENTS CAN BE MADE USING A US POSTAL MONEY ORDER, AT A " DISCOUNTED > " PRICE > > * FOR CONVENIENCE AND SECURITY, PAYMENTS CAN ALSO BE MADE USING PAYPAL, > SO YOU WILL HAVE THEIR PROTECTION. > > * ALL BELTS ARE GUARANTEED FOR 5 YEARS. NO HASSLE, JUST SAVE YOUR RECEIPT. > > * YOUR SATISFACTION IS 100% GUARANTEED ! > > * MY PERSONAL PHONE NUMBER WILL BE FURNISHED AFTER, YOU MAKE A PURCHASE. > ( UPON REQUEST ) > > ************************************************** > *********************************** > > EFFECTIVE 10-26-11,WEBSITE OPEN. > > http://www.marrscommunications.com > > EMAIL : orders at marrscom.com > > ************************************************** > ********************************** > > TO ALL CUSTOMERS WHO HAVE BEEN HAPPY WITH MY SERVICE, AND THE QUALITY OF > MY BELTS IN THE PAST, WHICH IS THE MAJORITY, > > PLEASE SPREAD THE WORD ABOUT MY WEBSITE. > > I NEED YOUR HELP, DUE TO THE LOSS IN " TRAFFIC " ON eBAY > > THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO " MY SIDE " OF THE STORY. ( THE TRUTH, THE > WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTING BUT THE TRUTH ). > > YOUR BUSINESS IS GREATLY APPRECIATED ! > > FRED M. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sheldance at gmail.com Wed Oct 26 08:55:06 2011 From: sheldance at gmail.com (Sheldon Trewin) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 00:55:06 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Tape Skew Message-ID: <89B26D46-4175-4894-BE94-1A48FCB5C0D7@gmail.com> The problem I am experiencing is not with my Nak, but with my Denon DRM-500. I have never had this issue before. I believe what I am experiencing is called "tape skew." Basically the tape being taken up by the right reel is spooling more towards one side than in the centre of the spool. This is not affecting the sound quality, nor is it creasing the tape. However it does but me that my tapes aren't spooling correctly. I did notice that the erase head doesn't seem to be aligned with the play/rec head. I tried loosening the left hand screw on the erase head to bring it to a stranger position but this does not seem to help with the spooling. Does the erase head need to be screwed in completely or can it be slightly unscrewed to make up for the misalignment? And what else could be causing my tape to skew? The pinch roller is very clean and not shiny, and it doesn't look to be uneven, although its hard to tell. Any input would be appreciated. Thanks, Sheldon From davidt124 at internode.on.net Wed Oct 26 09:17:00 2011 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 17:17:00 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX socket Message-ID: Thanks for the tips on the Dolby C noise. I will check them out. Another problem is that the plastic mount part of the socket for the headphone plug has broken up. Local suppliers only have sockets with a larger mount hole ­ 11mm instead of the 8.5mm original. Can anyone supply me with an original or know where I can get one to fit? Cheers David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Wed Oct 26 15:55:41 2011 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 06:55:41 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX socket In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David - I have a few I'm parting out. Contact me off the forum at willy at willyhs.com Willy On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 12:17 AM, David Thompson wrote: > Thanks for the tips on the Dolby C noise. I will check them out. > > Another problem is that the plastic mount part of the socket for the > headphone plug has broken up. > Local suppliers only have sockets with a larger mount hole – 11mm instead > of the 8.5mm original. > > Can anyone supply me with an original or know where I can get one to fit? > > Cheers > > David > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidt124 at internode.on.net Thu Oct 27 07:00:36 2011 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 15:00:36 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX Dolby C noise Message-ID: Spot on there. I replaced the orange caps on the dolby board today and the noise in gone. This deck has been serviced by B&W in London so presumably they don't replace orange caps unless necessary. Thanks David >Message: 4 >Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 08:29:30 -0700 >From: Willy Hermann > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dolby C noise >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" >My bet is on one of the orange drop caps in the Dolby circuit. I just had two with your same symptom and found the caps as the cause. Although I don't usually recommend it I think replacing all of the orange drop caps in both channels of the Dolby circuit is appropriate. >Best of luck. >Willy On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 10:21 PM, David Thompson wrote: > My 682ZX deck is producing some static noise in the right channel with > Dolby C turned on. It has a ticking pulse that flicks the bar from –20 to > –15db. It occurs in Play with no tape in the deck. There is occasional > slight noise in the Off position and next to none in the B position. I have > tried cleaning the toggle switch with CRC 2-26 but with little effect. Is > there a preferred cleaning method or could it be a faulty capacitor? > I would appreciate any pointers please. > > David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spacepup at hotmail.com Wed Oct 26 10:32:29 2011 From: spacepup at hotmail.com (Sean Reid) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 04:32:29 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX socket In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi David, have you got a pic of the part that you need for the headphone jack? i can look around and see if i can locate anything similar. are you looking for an exact match, or something that will fit properly and do the job? Sean Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 17:17:00 +1000 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX socket Thanks for the tips on the Dolby C noise. I will check them out. Another problem is that the plastic mount part of the socket for the headphone plug has broken up.Local suppliers only have sockets with a larger mount hole – 11mm instead of the 8.5mm original. Can anyone supply me with an original or know where I can get one to fit? Cheers David ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidt124 at internode.on.net Fri Oct 28 01:33:15 2011 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 09:33:15 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Headphone jack Message-ID: Thanks Sean, but Ron has the right one for me. David >Message: 3 >Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 04:32:29 -0400 >From: Sean Reid >Subject: RE: [naktalk] 682ZX socket >To: >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" >Hi David, >have you got a pic of the part that you need for the headphone jack? i can look around and see if i can locate anything similar. are you looking for an exact match, or something that will fit properly and do the job? >Sean >Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 17:17:00 +1000 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX socket -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From joyell.solie at sasktel.net Fri Oct 28 14:55:52 2011 From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 06:55:52 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon bias Message-ID: <001801cc9570$ed9baca0$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> I'm having problems with flaky bias on my dragon, 15 khz bias levels were getting irratic and hard to adjust and now only lite up bottom of meters. checked caps for bias oscillator c311(orange), c312, and c321, out of circuit they all test good but c312(elecrolytic) is 10uf cap on board(looks original) but shows 100uf in service manual! Is this a misprint? should I replace caps even though they test good? can it happen that orange cap test good and still is no good? Is the bias oscillator unit itself known to fail? any help greatly appreciated ! :) Cheers, Rainer S. ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. 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I am a 69 year old retiree and sometimes I gorgot how to post a NEW THREAD or to add/reply/respond to an existing thread and I request your kind consideration of assist me and I will put your instructions in microsoft word so that I will not forget.   The 2 postings are   (1)   ----"  My RX505 has a "ticking sound" or "clicking sound" as it moves. It does not however affect the sound from the speakers. Both pins are moving. Of the 2 gears with the black plastic heads and spring behind that go through the cassette ; the one on the right does not move while the one on the Left moves. This Left movement can be felt by my finger and if I touch against it with some force and for a short time it will stop spinning will stop or somethimes the cassette well will open and close and the operation is stopped. When I first tried playing it after this set was in storage for several years, it played. The when I wanted to replay a piece from the cassette and mistakenly pressed the FF (Fast Forward) key it made a much louder "ticking" or "clicking" sound and gorunded to a halt completely. I thought all was lost not being technically knowledgeable. It refused to move though I tried a few times and with different cassettes. All lights for the other funtions were on. About half an hour later I tried and the sound was very faint and the speed was incorrect as it did not sound rght. The following day (probably it had sufficient sleep LOL) I tried a tape and viola ! it was working. Now I believe one day anytime soon this set will give up spinning as there is an inherent problem. Can anyone advise if it is the wheel tyre that is giving the problem of if there is any other parts giving this particular problem. If it is the wheel type where can I source it and if it is any other part where is it available. Thank you for all assistance. Have a good day. Baguadao.   " (2)   -----  My RX505 FADER POSITION is lighted and on each time I switch on my set. It remains though I am playing a cassette. Is it normal ? I refer to PERRY.NAM response Sat Jul 2 12:45:44 CEST 2011 to a member : " It is likely the LDR has failed. LDR is light dependent resistor . In the manual it has a CdS prefix for cadmium sulfide. It consists of an LED with 2 LDRs in a single beetle shaped component for 6 leads total, and likely the LED has failed. It is possible to open the component and replace the LED. Perry Esposito - From my phone " Is his response relevant to my query ? If so what is the specification number for the LED so that I can look for it as replacement. If after the LED replacement what position is normal ? Thank you.  "    Thak you very much.     baguadao   bagua_dao at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From stekast at yahoo.com Sun Oct 30 19:36:10 2011 From: stekast at yahoo.com (stelios kastanakis) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 11:36:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dolby Level 400Hz 200nWb/m Test Tape Message-ID: <1319999770.8603.YahooMailNeo@web161422.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hi   In my last ebay search  trying to find a 400hz test tape equivalent to Nakamichi DA09005 i found  out that Willy Herman bought a tape from a person in NewZealand ( item 220882774978). Willy i'd like to know your opinion about this tape.Is it worth to buy it , because it's a little bit expensive.   Best regards   Stelios -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From g.p.lyskin at paradise.net.nz Mon Oct 31 12:54:14 2011 From: g.p.lyskin at paradise.net.nz (Gennady Lyskin) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 00:54:14 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] Test tapes. Updates. Message-ID: <4C5AB55ED3B841ED89AE56CCAD7A2E35@emachinef0bb72> Hello, Members, The Cassette tapes with signals higher than 1 kHz recorded on new Chrome Type II tape as follows: 3 kHz Speed, 10 kHz and 15 kHz Azimuth tapes recorded on 17 micron TDK SA C60, AMPEX 682 High Bias PRO series C30 or AMPEX 472 STUDIO AUDIO C30 cassette (your choice). 4 -20 kHz Frequency Response tapes recorded on 17 micron TDK SA C60, 11 micron TDK SA C90, 17 micron AMPEX 682 High Bias PRO series C30 or 11 micron C90, AMPEX 472 STUDIO AUDIO 17 micron C30 cassette, TEAC 11 micron C90 (your choice). The other low frequency cassette tapes recorded on 17 micron Type I TDK B60 or D60 normal Bias tapes. These tapes are better for low frequency recording with low distortion (THD+N) Shipping cost on eBay is high because they requested "Proof of Delivery" (tracking number) which costs $44US to ship worldwide from New Zealand. NAKTALK Members can order the tapes directly from me off list. Payment can be done to my PayPal account directly. Shipping is $10US worldwide. I'm still working on 5 Hz RAMM Sped and Detector Gain test tape for N700ZXL and N1000ZXL(LTD). Regards, Gennady From willy at willyhermannservices.com Mon Oct 31 16:41:49 2011 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 10:41:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dolby Level 400Hz 200nWb/m Test Tape In-Reply-To: <1319999770.8603.YahooMailNeo@web161422.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1319999770.8603.YahooMailNeo@web161422.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I purchased both a 400Hz 200nWm tape and a 15kHz -20dB tape from the guy in New Zealand (Guennadi Lyskine g.p.lyskin at paradise.net.nz) after emailing him about the way these tapes are made. He uses an Otari MX5050 open reel deck modified to run 1/8" tape and has an impressive calibration system to assure correct flux levels. Yes, they're expensive but real test tapes have always been so due to the fact that they can't be mass produced and require very specialized and perfectly maintained equipment. I have found these tape to be of excellent quality and am using them rather than my quite tired Nakamichi tapes for all calibrations. 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Yes, they're expensive but real test tapes have always been so due to the fact that they can't be mass produced and require very specialized and perfectly maintained equipment. I have found these tape to be of excellent quality and am using them rather than my quite tired Nakamichi tapes for all calibrations. Willy On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 11:36 AM, stelios kastanakis wrote: Hi In my last ebay search trying to find a 400hz test tape equivalent to Nakamichi DA09005 i found out that Willy Herman bought a tape from a person in NewZealand ( item 220882774978). Willy i'd like to know your opinion about this tape.Is it worth to buy it , because it's a little bit expensive. 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This is because in the 3 head deck, the PB head is optimized for PB, while in a 2 head deck it's a compromise between PB and REC requirements.  The MR-2 is a nice entry level deck for occasional home use, but has nothing to recommend it in your particular application (though, probably still better than a Sansui). Whether a 2 head deck is 'good enough' depends on the quality of your tapes. My own choice would be a CR-7(expensive) followed by a DR-1. -- Ron >________________________________ >From: Kurt Tuckerman >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 2:58 PM >Subject: [naktalk] deck for playback only > > > >Group, I have a budget-conscious project coming up in 2 months. It involves transferring the contents of at least 1000 cassettes (of every type, recorded on dozens of different decks) into digital. These are all recordings of independent musicians from the 70s and 80s, at least 500 from just one musician now deceased. I promised the musician's family that I would "someday" accomplish this feat for them. I now have a volunteer who is dedicated to starting this task and I want to get him started by setting up a workstation area. >I want to get feedback on what type of deck to use. I have a Nak MR-2 that I converted to gear-drive on the spindles years ago. Now, it runs maximum speed regardless of the potentiometer setting, and I am sure needs a new head. So it needs attention. I also have a Sansui D-550M 3-head deck which I recall needed a new head as well. Lastly, I have a cheap but new Pyle PT-649D. >I was going to set up a scope and VTVM for maximizing output, phase etc on each tape because they are going to be all over the place.  >  >Is a 3-head deck is still advantageous when the requirement is just playback? >Would you recommend the MR-2 over the Sansui? Or should I buy something else? >Which would be easier to get parts for, like heads? >What's the best azimuth tape and where to get it? >Any suggestions on hi-quality PC sound cards for archiving? >  >Regards, Kurt  >  > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ktuck16 at hotmail.com Sun Sep 4 17:58:06 2011 From: ktuck16 at hotmail.com (Kurt Tuckerman) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 11:58:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: deck for playback only In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Group, Thank you all for your advice and suggestions. I received some very well thought out responses. It looks like the CR-7, DR-1, or Cassette Deck One will be the deck(s) I need to consider. The Dragon is beautiful but out of my budget! Can anyone give a guess as to the approximate value of these 3 decks, for good working units? Are there still parts available such as Playback heads and belts for these decks? Regards, Kurt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rajivdallas at gmail.com Sun Sep 4 19:56:30 2011 From: rajivdallas at gmail.com (rajivdallas at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 17:56:30 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: deck for playback only In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <669790676-1315158990-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-865749428-@b18.c7.bise6.blackberry> Kurt I have been on the very same quest for years to try and find the perfect "playback" deck to transfer thousands of live show I have on tape. IMHO, after much research and $$$ being spent I have to say - there is just no comparison with the Dragon and the CR7 (purists on the list who swear by the 1000 calm down - I am talking of tapes recorded on "other" decks not just Naks)....I say this from experience as I own them all now incl the DR1, the cassette deck 1 (the other two that allow manual pb azimuth adjustment) and several older decks like the 682 etc.... The Dragon is a tad bit warmer and analog sounding while the CR7 sounds very clean and almost digital at times....its very close though.... In terms of price - the Dragon and CR7 are up there and its a crap shoot if you are getting a well calibrated one or not....usually $650 and above....the DR1 and CD1 go anywhere from 275 to 400ish.... The one I would love to try as an alternate pb deck would be the Tandberg 3014A but that is just tooo pricey to have as an alternate deck..... Hope this helps Rajiv Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Kurt Tuckerman Sender: naktalk-bounces at naks.com Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 11:58:06 To: NAK Talk Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] RE: deck for playback only ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sun Sep 4 22:23:58 2011 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (Ram Ramachandran) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 16:23:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: deck for playback only In-Reply-To: <669790676-1315158990-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-865749428-@b18.c7.bise6.blackberry> References: <669790676-1315158990-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-865749428-@b18.c7.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <921DFE9A-7E55-4818-B71A-D2387A443DBC@yahoo.com> Rajiv, The Tandberg 3014A is a superb deck(yes I had it completely overhauled by The Soundsmith here in NY) but you are again missing the point here. It is not a playback head adjustable deck like the cr7 or the Dragon. The Tandberg uses record head alignment like the 1000 ZXL or the 670/680 series decks.Therefore what good would it be on prerecorded tapes or tapes made in other machines? I have used the 3014A side by side with the Dragon/CR7 and 1000ZXL and can tell you that while I sold the Tandberg a few months ago, I still have 3 Dragons and a Cr 7 besides the ZXLs in my Nak stable. The Tandberg was not as sweet sounding to me as the Naks I kept.make mo mistake, it's a great deck by any standards and there are those who prefer it to a Nak. Regards, Ram. Sent from my iPad On Sep 4, 2011, at 1:56 PM, rajivdallas at gmail.com wrote: > Kurt > > I have been on the very same quest for years to try and find the perfect "playback" deck to transfer thousands of live show I have on tape. > > IMHO, after much research and $$$ being spent I have to say - there is just no comparison with the Dragon and the CR7 (purists on the list who swear by the 1000 calm down - I am talking of tapes recorded on "other" decks not just Naks)....I say this from experience as I own them all now incl the DR1, the cassette deck 1 (the other two that allow manual pb azimuth adjustment) and several older decks like the 682 etc.... > > The Dragon is a tad bit warmer and analog sounding while the CR7 sounds very clean and almost digital at times....its very close though.... > > In terms of price - the Dragon and CR7 are up there and its a crap shoot if you are getting a well calibrated one or not....usually $650 and above....the DR1 and CD1 go anywhere from 275 to 400ish.... > > The one I would love to try as an alternate pb deck would be the Tandberg 3014A but that is just tooo pricey to have as an alternate deck..... > > Hope this helps > Rajiv > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kurt Tuckerman > Sender: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 11:58:06 > To: NAK Talk > Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: [naktalk] RE: deck for playback only > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From letsboogienow at hotmail.com Sun Sep 4 23:37:35 2011 From: letsboogienow at hotmail.com (M I) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 17:37:35 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: deck for playback only In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Kurt: I recognise you have come to a decision and have ruled out the Dragon due to cost, but I would like to suggest thinking a little bit ahead as to when you make those recordings you are planning. For instance, is someone going to be around all the time to monitor the recording? There may be instances when the quality of the recording varies due to azimuth error not necessarily because of incorrect azimuth on the deck that made the copies but as a result of inconsistent tape abnormalities that contribute to inferior sound that only a deck with PB azimuth adjustment could remedy. Also, could it be possible that different decks were used on the same side of a recording? With a deck where the PB azimuth is manual someone has to be around to monitor this.....if on the other hand the deck is a Dragon, then you dont have to worry since it constantly monitors the azimuth via NAAC. Just my two cents mi From: ktuck16 at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 11:58:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: deck for playback only Group, Thank you all for your advice and suggestions. I received some very well thought out responses. It looks like the CR-7, DR-1, or Cassette Deck One will be the deck(s) I need to consider. The Dragon is beautiful but out of my budget! Can anyone give a guess as to the approximate value of these 3 decks, for good working units? Are there still parts available such as Playback heads and belts for these decks? Regards, Kurt ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From ktuck16 at hotmail.com Mon Sep 5 18:41:22 2011 From: ktuck16 at hotmail.com (Kurt Tuckerman) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 12:41:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: deck for playback only In-Reply-To: References: , , , Message-ID: mi, You are correct, the Dragon would be better for the reasons you state. But, is the Dragon mechanical head mechanism self-calibrating to the electronic control? Or does it rely on an initial calibration by a technician that can drift over time, resulting in tapes that are consistently "off" a little bit? That is one of my concerns. Plus, with the big up-front cost I would be locked in to using that deck no matter what. I hate being low on funds but that is my punishment for having too many hobbies! I live in a vacation area, and have traded housing to an individual who is going to monitor & log these recordings, 3 C-90s a day, 5 days a week. Do you think he will make it through the year? That's 782 tapes. Regards, Kurt From: letsboogienow at hotmail.comthe agreed-upon year? To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: deck for playback only Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 17:37:35 -0400 Kurt: I recognise you have come to a decision and have ruled out the Dragon due to cost, but I would like to suggest thinking a little bit ahead as to when you make those recordings you are planning. For instance, is someone going to be around all the time to monitor the recording? There may be instances when the quality of the recording varies due to azimuth error not necessarily because of incorrect azimuth on the deck that made the copies but as a result of inconsistent tape abnormalities that contribute to inferior sound that only a deck with PB azimuth adjustment could remedy. Also, could it be possible that different decks were used on the same side of a recording? With a deck where the PB azimuth is manual someone has to be around to monitor this.....if on the other hand the deck is a Dragon, then you dont have to worry since it constantly monitors the azimuth via NAAC. Just my two cents mi From: ktuck16 at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 11:58:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: deck for playback only Group, Thank you all for your advice and suggestions. I received some very well thought out responses. It looks like the CR-7, DR-1, or Cassette Deck One will be the deck(s) I need to consider. The Dragon is beautiful but out of my budget! Can anyone give a guess as to the approximate value of these 3 decks, for good working units? Are there still parts available such as Playback heads and belts for these decks? 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URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Mon Sep 5 19:35:23 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 10:35:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RE: deck for playback only In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1315244123.33963.YahooMailNeo@web130105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Can't give you going prices for Nak decks. They're all over the place and depend on condition and seller honesty. Many (most?) CR-7 parts are common to the high end CR and BX series decks, so, with exceptions, parts are available.  -- Ron >________________________________ >From: Kurt Tuckerman >To: NAK Talk >Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2011 11:58 AM >Subject: [naktalk] RE: deck for playback only > > > >Group, >  >Thank you all for your advice and suggestions. I received some very well thought out responses. It looks like the CR-7, DR-1, or Cassette Deck One will be the deck(s) I need to consider. 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URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Mon Sep 5 21:53:41 2011 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 12:53:41 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] RE: deck for playback only In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Kurt - The mechanical mechanism which changes the play head azimuth on the Dragon is driven by an electronic circuit which must be correctly set to work properly. However, in the hundreds of Dragons I've worked on I've seen only a couple in which that adjustment was very far off. I see lots more where the mechanical block has become sticky or the tape path has some other mechanical problem. These problems will not allow the machine to do the job the electronics are trying to do. Once a Dragon is in proper alignment it should work for years provided it's used regularly and the tape path is kept clean. I have to agree with the consensus on this forum that the Dragon is THE machine for your job. You will be using the digital form of the music from here on and will be listening to whatever the final playing was able to provide. To chintz here is likely to haunt you for years to come. Best of luck with the project. Willy On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Kurt Tuckerman wrote: > mi, > You are correct, the Dragon would be better for the reasons you state. > But, is the Dragon mechanical head mechanism self-calibrating to the > electronic control? Or does it rely on an initial calibration by a > technician that can drift over time, resulting in tapes that are > consistently "off" a little bit? That is one of my concerns. Plus, with the > big up-front cost I would be locked in to using that deck no matter what. I > hate being low on funds but that is my punishment for having too many > hobbies! I live in a vacation area, and have traded housing to an individual > who is going to monitor & log these recordings, 3 C-90s a day, 5 days a > week. Do you think he will make it through the year? That's 782 tapes. > Regards, Kurt > > ------------------------------ > From: letsboogienow at hotmail.comthe agreed-upon year? > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: deck for playback only > Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 17:37:35 -0400 > > Kurt: > > I recognise you have come to a decision and have ruled out the Dragon due > to cost, but I would like to suggest thinking a little bit ahead as to when > you make those recordings you are planning. For instance, is someone going > to be around all the time to monitor the recording? There may be instances > when the quality of the recording varies due to azimuth error not > necessarily because of incorrect azimuth on the deck that made the copies > but as a result of inconsistent tape abnormalities that contribute to > inferior sound that only a deck with PB azimuth adjustment could remedy. > Also, could it be possible that different decks were used on the same side > of a recording? With a deck where the PB azimuth is manual someone has to be > around to monitor this.....if on the other hand the deck is a Dragon, then > you dont have to worry since it constantly monitors the azimuth via NAAC. > > Just my two cents > mi > > ------------------------------ > From: ktuck16 at hotmail.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 11:58:06 -0400 > Subject: [naktalk] RE: deck for playback only > > Group, > > Thank you all for your advice and suggestions. I received some very well > thought out responses. It looks like the CR-7, DR-1, or Cassette Deck > One will be the deck(s) I need to consider. The Dragon is beautiful but out > of my budget! > > Can anyone give a guess as to the approximate value of these 3 decks, for > good working units? > > Are there still parts available such as Playback heads and belts for these > decks? > > Regards, Kurt > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ktuck16 at hotmail.com Tue Sep 6 18:15:36 2011 From: ktuck16 at hotmail.com (Kurt Tuckerman) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 12:15:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: deck for playback only In-Reply-To: References: , , , , Message-ID: Willy, thank you for your reply on this issue. I really appreciate your input. I am going to try to get a Dragon deck. I have an equal number of cassettes not related to this particular artist, so I really need to get "real" about accomplishing the dubs. Regards, Kurt Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 12:53:41 -0700 Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: deck for playback only From: willy at willyhermannservices.com To: naktalk at naks.com Kurt - The mechanical mechanism which changes the play head azimuth on the Dragon is driven by an electronic circuit which must be correctly set to work properly. However, in the hundreds of Dragons I've worked on I've seen only a couple in which that adjustment was very far off. I see lots more where the mechanical block has become sticky or the tape path has some other mechanical problem. These problems will not allow the machine to do the job the electronics are trying to do. Once a Dragon is in proper alignment it should work for years provided it's used regularly and the tape path is kept clean. I have to agree with the consensus on this forum that the Dragon is THE machine for your job. You will be using the digital form of the music from here on and will be listening to whatever the final playing was able to provide. To chintz here is likely to haunt you for years to come. Best of luck with the project. Willy On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Kurt Tuckerman wrote: mi, You are correct, the Dragon would be better for the reasons you state. But, is the Dragon mechanical head mechanism self-calibrating to the electronic control? Or does it rely on an initial calibration by a technician that can drift over time, resulting in tapes that are consistently "off" a little bit? That is one of my concerns. Plus, with the big up-front cost I would be locked in to using that deck no matter what. I hate being low on funds but that is my punishment for having too many hobbies! I live in a vacation area, and have traded housing to an individual who is going to monitor & log these recordings, 3 C-90s a day, 5 days a week. Do you think he will make it through the year? That's 782 tapes. Regards, Kurt From: letsboogienow at hotmail.comthe agreed-upon year? To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: deck for playback only Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 17:37:35 -0400 Kurt: I recognise you have come to a decision and have ruled out the Dragon due to cost, but I would like to suggest thinking a little bit ahead as to when you make those recordings you are planning. For instance, is someone going to be around all the time to monitor the recording? There may be instances when the quality of the recording varies due to azimuth error not necessarily because of incorrect azimuth on the deck that made the copies but as a result of inconsistent tape abnormalities that contribute to inferior sound that only a deck with PB azimuth adjustment could remedy. Also, could it be possible that different decks were used on the same side of a recording? With a deck where the PB azimuth is manual someone has to be around to monitor this.....if on the other hand the deck is a Dragon, then you dont have to worry since it constantly monitors the azimuth via NAAC. Just my two cents mi From: ktuck16 at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 11:58:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: deck for playback only Group, Thank you all for your advice and suggestions. I received some very well thought out responses. It looks like the CR-7, DR-1, or Cassette Deck One will be the deck(s) I need to consider. The Dragon is beautiful but out of my budget! Can anyone give a guess as to the approximate value of these 3 decks, for good working units? Are there still parts available such as Playback heads and belts for these decks? 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URL: From jphscott at mac.com Tue Sep 6 19:14:19 2011 From: jphscott at mac.com (Scotts at Hollybush) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2011 18:14:19 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RE: deck for playback only In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: if you can find a decent Cassette Deck 1 or 1.5, they offer the best possible value, as they seem to go on eBay for $100-ish. It's actually a superior deck to the later DR1 (where they cut costs), but for some reason it's not fashionable, perhaps because they changed the styling. Don't buy the 2, though, even though they give them away. I can attest to the fact that the playback quality is very good on the 1, even when compared with the CR7 (which I also own). IMHO (and that of Bowers & Wilkins, UK agents) the latter is the best of the lot, unless you really need something that autoreverses (=Dragon). I don't, and I suspect you don't either. John Scott Mobile: 07786 543 462 / +44 77 86 54 34 62 This e-mail message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not an addressee or otherwise authorised to receive this message, you should not use, copy, disclose or take any action based on this e-mail or any information contained in the message. If you have received this material in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. On 6 Sep 2011, at 17:15, Kurt Tuckerman wrote: > Willy, thank you for your reply on this issue. I really appreciate your input. I am going to try to get a Dragon deck. I have an equal number of cassettes not related to this particular artist, so I really need to get "real" about accomplishing the dubs. Regards, Kurt > > Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 12:53:41 -0700 > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: deck for playback only > From: willy at willyhermannservices.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Kurt - > > The mechanical mechanism which changes the play head azimuth on the Dragon is driven by an electronic circuit which must be correctly set to work properly. However, in the hundreds of Dragons I've worked on I've seen only a couple in which that adjustment was very far off. I see lots more where the mechanical block has become sticky or the tape path has some other mechanical problem. These problems will not allow the machine to do the job the electronics are trying to do. Once a Dragon is in proper alignment it should work for years provided it's used regularly and the tape path is kept clean. I have to agree with the consensus on this forum that the Dragon is THE machine for your job. You will be using the digital form of the music from here on and will be listening to whatever the final playing was able to provide. To chintz here is likely to haunt you for years to come. > > Best of luck with the project. > > Willy > > On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Kurt Tuckerman wrote: > mi, > You are correct, the Dragon would be better for the reasons you state. But, is the Dragon mechanical head mechanism self-calibrating to the electronic control? Or does it rely on an initial calibration by a technician that can drift over time, resulting in tapes that are consistently "off" a little bit? That is one of my concerns. Plus, with the big up-front cost I would be locked in to using that deck no matter what. I hate being low on funds but that is my punishment for having too many hobbies! I live in a vacation area, and have traded housing to an individual who is going to monitor & log these recordings, 3 C-90s a day, 5 days a week. Do you think he will make it through the year? That's 782 tapes. > Regards, Kurt > > From: letsboogienow at hotmail.comthe agreed-upon year? > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: deck for playback only > Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 17:37:35 -0400 > > Kurt: > > I recognise you have come to a decision and have ruled out the Dragon due to cost, but I would like to suggest thinking a little bit ahead as to when you make those recordings you are planning. For instance, is someone going to be around all the time to monitor the recording? There may be instances when the quality of the recording varies due to azimuth error not necessarily because of incorrect azimuth on the deck that made the copies but as a result of inconsistent tape abnormalities that contribute to inferior sound that only a deck with PB azimuth adjustment could remedy. Also, could it be possible that different decks were used on the same side of a recording? With a deck where the PB azimuth is manual someone has to be around to monitor this.....if on the other hand the deck is a Dragon, then you dont have to worry since it constantly monitors the azimuth via NAAC. > > Just my two cents > mi > > From: ktuck16 at hotmail.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 11:58:06 -0400 > Subject: [naktalk] RE: deck for playback only > > Group, > > Thank you all for your advice and suggestions. I received some very well thought out responses. It looks like the CR-7, DR-1, or Cassette Deck One will be the deck(s) I need to consider. The Dragon is beautiful but out of my budget! > > Can anyone give a guess as to the approximate value of these 3 decks, for good working units? > > Are there still parts available such as Playback heads and belts for these decks? > > Regards, Kurt > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here:http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From serge_sh at bk.ru Tue Sep 6 22:38:17 2011 From: serge_sh at bk.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2VyZ2l5IFNoZXZjaHVr?=) Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2011 00:38:17 +0400 Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6IFtuYWt0YWxrXSBSRTogZGVjayBmb3IgcGxheWJhY2sgb25seQ==?= In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Kurt. I have in my collection all top decks Nakamichi from the 2nd generation. All of them are in great technical condition (well serviced). That's why I can make compare them all. Of course Dragon is a great deck, but I think that only for playback. You can take a look at 660ZX, 670ZX, 680ZX. They are not so expencive but they are doing better results in recording than Dragon. 660ZX is my favorite machine (without tape/ source monitoring). Good luck, Sergey. 06 сентября 2011, 21:05 от Kurt Tuckerman : Willy, thank you for your reply on this issue. I really appreciate your input. I am going to try to get a Dragon deck. I have an equal number of cassettes not related to this particular artist, so I really need to get "real" about accomplishing the dubs. Regards, Kurt   ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 12:53:41 -0700 Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: deck for playback only From: willy at willyhermannservices.com To: naktalk at naks.com Kurt - The mechanical mechanism which changes the play head azimuth on the Dragon is driven by an electronic circuit which must be correctly set to work properly.  However, in the hundreds of Dragons I've worked on I've seen only a couple in which that adjustment was very far off.  I see lots more where the mechanical block has become sticky or the tape path has some other mechanical problem.  These problems will not allow the machine to do the job the electronics are trying to do.  Once a Dragon is in proper alignment it should work for years provided it's used regularly and the tape path is kept clean.  I have to agree with the consensus on this forum that the Dragon is THE machine for your job.  You will be using the digital form of the music from here on and will be listening to whatever the final playing was able to provide.  To chintz here is likely to haunt you for years to come. Best of luck with the project. Willy On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Kurt Tuckerman wrote: mi, You are correct, the Dragon would be better for the reasons you state. But, is the Dragon mechanical head mechanism self-calibrating to the electronic control? Or does it rely on an initial calibration by a technician that can drift over time, resulting in tapes that are consistently "off" a little bit? That is one of my concerns. Plus, with the big up-front cost I would be locked in to using that deck no matter what. I hate being low on funds but that is my punishment for having too many hobbies! I live in a vacation area, and have traded housing to an individual who is going to monitor & log these recordings, 3 C-90s a day, 5 days a week. Do you think he will make it through the year? That's 782 tapes.  Regards, Kurt   ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: letsboogienow at hotmail.comthe agreed-upon year? To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: deck for playback only Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 17:37:35 -0400 Kurt:   I recognise you have come to a decision and have ruled out the Dragon due to cost, but I would like to suggest thinking a little bit ahead as to when you make those recordings you are planning. For instance, is someone going to be around all the time to monitor the recording? There may be instances when the quality of the recording varies due to azimuth error not necessarily because of incorrect azimuth on the deck that made the copies but as a result of inconsistent tape abnormalities  that contribute to inferior sound that only a deck with PB azimuth adjustment could remedy. Also, could it be possible that different decks were used on the same side of a recording? With a deck where the PB azimuth is manual someone has to be around to monitor this.....if on the other hand the deck is a Dragon, then you dont have to worry since it constantly monitors the azimuth via NAAC.    Just my two cents mi   ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ktuck16 at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 11:58:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: deck for playback only Group,   Thank you all for your advice and suggestions. I received some very well thought out responses. It looks like the CR-7, DR-1, or Cassette Deck One will be the deck(s) I need to consider. 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David From mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk Wed Sep 7 13:45:08 2011 From: mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk (Mercedes Benz) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 11:45:08 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300E distorting on left channel only on maximum output In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi everyone, Just acquired a BX-300E which works fine except that when I turn the output slider to max the sound distorts on the left channel. If I move the slider to number 6 position and turn the volume up on my amp instead then the sound is not distorted. I have also noticed that the left channel meter is always 1 or 2 db higher than the right channel when playing. I have cleaned the heads and demagnetised them. I have also thoroughly cleaned the output control using Deoxit but still get the same result. Can someone kindly let me know what might be the cause of this behaviour and how it can be fixed? Any help will be appreciated. Thanks & kind regards. 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If not, I would follow the signal path to the deck output, changing volume and comparing to the right channel as I go along.  If the problem does exist at the output control top, I would trace backward in a similar fashion. Once a point is found where the problem appears, it is usually a simple matter to determine the exact fault. -- Ron >________________________________ >From: Mercedes Benz >To: NakTalk >Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 7:45 AM >Subject: [naktalk] BX-300E distorting on left channel only on maximum output > > > >Hi everyone, > > >Just acquired a BX-300E which works fine except that when I turn the output slider to max the sound distorts on the left channel.  > > >If I move the slider to number 6 position and turn the volume up on my amp instead then the sound is not distorted. I have also noticed that the left channel meter is always 1 or 2 db higher than the right channel when playing. > > >I have cleaned the heads and demagnetised them. I have also thoroughly cleaned the output control using Deoxit but still get the same result.  > > >Can someone kindly let me know what might be the cause of this behaviour and how it can be fixed? Any help will be appreciated. > > >Thanks & kind regards. > > >Nadeem > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk Thu Sep 8 19:13:36 2011 From: mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk (Mercedes Benz) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 17:13:36 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300E distorting on left channel only on maximum output In-Reply-To: <1315406528.35288.YahooMailNeo@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: , , <1315406528.35288.YahooMailNeo@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ok, after some more testing I noticed that it only happens on tapes recorded with slightly higher level. For instance, I played a tape which was recorded with level meters lighting up to +5db plays on this deck with left meter touching +7db and sometimes even +10db while the right channel stays at +5db max. On this tape when I turn the output control to max the sound distorts so I have to reduce it to 6 and then its fine. Another tape which was recorded with +3db max level plays fine without distortion but the left meter still goes upto +7db while the right meter at +5db. Does it give any clues as to what might be the problem? Thanks & kind regards Nadeem Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 07:42:08 -0700 From: ronami at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300E distorting on left channel only on maximum output To: naktalk at naks.com There exist a large number of causes for such a fault. Many of these can be difficult to locate, but very easy to fix, once located. As a first guess, I would suspect the circuitry between the output control and the deck output. There isn't that much of it. What I would do is play a tape and use a signal tracer to see whether the problem exists at the output control top (the 'top' is the outside lug that is not grounded). If not, I would follow the signal path to the deck output, changing volume and comparing to the right channel as I go along. If the problem does exist at the output control top, I would trace backward in a similar fashion. Once a point is found where the problem appears, it is usually a simple matter to determine the exact fault. -- Ron From: Mercedes Benz To: NakTalk Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 7:45 AM Subject: [naktalk] BX-300E distorting on left channel only on maximum output Hi everyone, Just acquired a BX-300E which works fine except that when I turn the output slider to max the sound distorts on the left channel. If I move the slider to number 6 position and turn the volume up on my amp instead then the sound is not distorted. I have also noticed that the left channel meter is always 1 or 2 db higher than the right channel when playing. I have cleaned the heads and demagnetised them. I have also thoroughly cleaned the output control using Deoxit but still get the same result. Can someone kindly let me know what might be the cause of this behaviour and how it can be fixed? Any help will be appreciated. Thanks & kind regards. 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URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Thu Sep 8 22:19:15 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 13:19:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300E distorting on left channel only on maximum output In-Reply-To: References: , , <1315406528.35288.YahooMailNeo@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1315513155.58027.YahooMailNeo@web130112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> How do you know the deck is distorting and not the amp/receiver? Check by leaving the deck output control alone and advancing the amp volume control. Does it still distort then? -- Ron >________________________________ >From: Mercedes Benz >To: NakTalk >Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2011 1:13 PM >Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX-300E distorting on left channel only on maximum output > > > >Ok, after some more testing I noticed that it only happens on tapes recorded with slightly higher level.  > > >For instance, I played a tape which was recorded with level meters lighting up to +5db plays on this deck with left meter touching +7db and sometimes even +10db while the right channel stays at +5db max. On this tape when I turn the output control to max the sound distorts so I have to reduce it to 6 and then its fine. > > >Another tape which was recorded with +3db max level plays fine without distortion but the left meter still goes upto +7db while the right meter at +5db. > > >Does it give any clues as to what might be the problem? > > >Thanks & kind regards > > >Nadeem  > > > > > > > >________________________________ >Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 07:42:08 -0700 >From: ronami at yahoo.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300E distorting on left channel only on maximum output >To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > >There exist a large number of causes for such a fault. Many of > >these can be difficult to locate, but very easy to fix, once  >located. > > > >As a first guess, I would suspect the circuitry between the output > >control and the deck output. There isn't that much of it. What I > >would do is play a tape and use a signal tracer to see whether the > >problem exists at the output control top (the 'top' is the outside lug > >that is not grounded). If not, I would follow the signal path to the > >deck output, changing volume and comparing to the right channel > >as I go along.  > > >If the problem does exist at the output control top, I would trace > >backward in a similar fashion. Once a point is found where the > >problem appears, it is usually a simple matter to determine the > >exact fault. > >-- Ron > > > > > >>________________________________ >>From: Mercedes Benz >>To: NakTalk >>Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 7:45 AM >>Subject: [naktalk] BX-300E distorting on left channel only on maximum output >> >> >> >>Hi everyone, >> >> >>Just acquired a BX-300E which works fine except that when I turn the output slider to max the sound distorts on the left channel.  >> >> >>If I move the slider to number 6 position and turn the volume up on my amp instead then the sound is not distorted. I have also noticed that the left channel meter is always 1 or 2 db higher than the right channel when playing. >> >> >>I have cleaned the heads and demagnetised them. I have also thoroughly cleaned the output control using Deoxit but still get the same result.  >> >> >>Can someone kindly let me know what might be the cause of this behaviour and how it can be fixed? 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URL: From nakdoc77 at gmail.com Thu Sep 8 23:12:41 2011 From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com (Tom Brucker) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 16:12:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL In-Reply-To: References: <003c01cc5f58$c8fa4f30$5aeeed90$@math.utah.edu> <1314195887.79686.YahooMailNeo@web130123.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1314198767.91705.YahooMailRC@web80202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Tom Mageras won a $7000 auction for a Ltd. that was supposed to be in Spain. He sent the money (check) and the deck never arrived. The $3,000 deck and spare parts is a different deck. Vic, I know you know of a ZXL that is a LTD inside..... Anyway, I am posting because Tom Mageras' 1000ZXL Ltd has appeared on London Craigslist! http://london.craigslist.co.uk/ele/2577499590.html Are any of our UK friends willing to try and get a real address for the seller? The photos and description are an exact match for the eBay scammer. One problem Tom is facing is he cannot identify which country the deck is actually in order to file a police report. On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Fergus Cullen wrote: > How did you pay? If it was by Paypal you can get a full refund no problem > as it was not as described. > > Fergus > > > On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 4:12 PM, LENA WONG wrote: > >> He can request a full refund including shipping cost from the seller if >> it is true that the item is not as described (which is obviously not in this >> case). >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Ron >> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> *Sent:* Wed, August 24, 2011 9:24:47 AM >> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL >> >> > Our friend Tom was taken on the Limited he won. It looked legitimate! >> >> I feel for Tom, but I seriously doubted it was legit. >> >> > Did anyone notice it was missing the Limited cassette well back plate? >> >> That was a clear giveaway, not to mention the obviously incorrect >> rear panel. I did miss the serial number, though. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Victor Gabrenas >> *To:* 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' >> *Sent:* Saturday, August 20, 2011 12:47 PM >> *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] 1000ZXL >> >> Our friend Tom was taken on the Limited he won. It looked legitimate! >> What a shame! >> >> Did anyone notice it was missing the Limited cassette well back plate? >> >> >> Vic >> >> *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On >> Behalf Of *Willy Hermann >> *Sent:* Friday, August 19, 2011 9:18 PM >> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> *Subject:* [naktalk] 1000ZXL >> >> I fear someone just got burned on that eBay auction - paying over $3,000 >> for a non working 1000ZXL. You could tell from the serial number (starting >> with A117) that the machine was not a limited. The limited serial number >> starts with A110. This looked like a 1000ZXL which someone had tried to >> make look like a 1000ZXL Limited and had in the process managed to blow it >> up in some way. A gold face plate does NOT a 1000ZXL Limited make! >> >> Willy >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > > -- > Fergus > > New limited CD release from the Japanese underground here: > http://anmailorder.wordpress.com/ > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Tom Brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Pike Nashville, TN USA 37220 hitech77 at earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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My originals have a slight > curve to them and I'd like to confirm that this is by design and is > not a result of wear. > Thanks, > Yuri > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Tom Brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Pike Nashville, TN USA 37220 hitech77 at earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nakdoc77 at gmail.com Thu Sep 8 23:18:41 2011 From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com (Tom Brucker) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 16:18:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] test tapes In-Reply-To: <000e01cc5de2$001e7590$005b60b0$@math.utah.edu> References: <004b01cc5a27$defd7a40$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> <000e01cc5de2$001e7590$005b60b0$@math.utah.edu> Message-ID: I have Tom Mageras' 400Hz level tape and 15 kHz azimuth tapes in stock. send an email for more info. tom brucker On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 3:04 PM, Victor Gabrenas wrote: > I still have some 3KHz speed wow and flutter on BASF super chrome. > Recorded with a Studer A80QRC full track. I would need to put it in a shell. > Let me know if you are interested. **** > > ** ** > > Vic **** > > ** ** > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *Rainer & Joy-Ell > *Sent:* Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:14 PM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* [naktalk] test tapes**** > > ** ** > > I would like to purchase set of test tapes(or at least a speed reference > tape). Where are we with the test tapes? who has the best ones?**** > > > > > > > ======= > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 7.0.0.26, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.17770) > http://www.pctools.com > ======= **** > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Tom Brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Pike Nashville, TN USA 37220 hitech77 at earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I > already have a 680 at eslabs and it looks like this one might have to make a > trip too. Your thoughts. > > Sent from my iPhone > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Tom Brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Pike Nashville, TN USA 37220 hitech77 at earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nakdoc77 at gmail.com Thu Sep 8 23:23:02 2011 From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com (Tom Brucker) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 16:23:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 700ZXE recording noise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Is it low frequency rushing noise? If so, the small value orange caps on the dolby board cause this, so perhaps your new parts are bad? tom brucker On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 12:59 AM, David Thompson wrote: > Can anyone suggest a reason for noisy recording on a 700ZX-E? > I have replaced all orange caps and some transistors on the bias oscillator > pcb. > > David > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Tom Brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Pike Nashville, TN USA 37220 hitech77 at earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george.valkov at gmail.com Fri Sep 9 08:34:54 2011 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 07:34:54 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL In-Reply-To: References: <003c01cc5f58$c8fa4f30$5aeeed90$@math.utah.edu> <1314195887.79686.YahooMailNeo@web130123.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1314198767.91705.YahooMailRC@web80202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I am on the case with the UK listing and will let you know what happens. On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 10:12 PM, Tom Brucker wrote: > Tom Mageras won a $7000 auction for a Ltd. that was supposed to be in > Spain. He sent the money (check) and the deck never arrived. The $3,000 > deck and spare parts is a different deck. Vic, I know you know of a ZXL that > is a LTD inside..... > > Anyway, I am posting because Tom Mageras' 1000ZXL Ltd has appeared on > London Craigslist! > http://london.craigslist.co.uk/ele/2577499590.html > Are any of our UK friends willing to try and get a real address for the > seller? The photos and description are an exact match for the eBay > scammer. One problem Tom is facing is he cannot identify which country the > deck is actually in order to file a police report. > > > > On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Fergus Cullen wrote: > >> How did you pay? If it was by Paypal you can get a full refund no problem >> as it was not as described. >> >> Fergus >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 4:12 PM, LENA WONG wrote: >> >>> He can request a full refund including shipping cost from the seller if >>> it is true that the item is not as described (which is obviously not in this >>> case). >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* Ron >>> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> *Sent:* Wed, August 24, 2011 9:24:47 AM >>> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL >>> >>> > Our friend Tom was taken on the Limited he won. It looked legitimate! >>> >>> I feel for Tom, but I seriously doubted it was legit. >>> >>> > Did anyone notice it was missing the Limited cassette well back plate? >>> >>> That was a clear giveaway, not to mention the obviously incorrect >>> rear panel. I did miss the serial number, though. >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* Victor Gabrenas >>> *To:* 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' >>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 20, 2011 12:47 PM >>> *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] 1000ZXL >>> >>> Our friend Tom was taken on the Limited he won. It looked legitimate! >>> What a shame! >>> >>> Did anyone notice it was missing the Limited cassette well back plate? >>> >>> >>> Vic >>> >>> *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On >>> Behalf Of *Willy Hermann >>> *Sent:* Friday, August 19, 2011 9:18 PM >>> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> *Subject:* [naktalk] 1000ZXL >>> >>> I fear someone just got burned on that eBay auction - paying over $3,000 >>> for a non working 1000ZXL. You could tell from the serial number (starting >>> with A117) that the machine was not a limited. The limited serial number >>> starts with A110. This looked like a 1000ZXL which someone had tried to >>> make look like a 1000ZXL Limited and had in the process managed to blow it >>> up in some way. A gold face plate does NOT a 1000ZXL Limited make! >>> >>> Willy >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Fergus >> >> New limited CD release from the Japanese underground here: >> http://anmailorder.wordpress.com/ >> >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > > -- > Tom Brucker > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Pike > Nashville, TN USA > 37220 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- "Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From g.p.lyskin at paradise.net.nz Fri Sep 9 04:27:27 2011 From: g.p.lyskin at paradise.net.nz (Gennady Lyskin) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 14:27:27 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] test tapes References: <004b01cc5a27$defd7a40$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Message-ID: I record Professional Studio Test Cassette Tape Sets Recorded on new TDK 18u tape Each Tape is a Full-track Master tape (not a copy). It is recorded OFF SHELL using an OTARI 0.15" (3.81mm) Reel-to-Reel MX-5050BIII-F-P4 Production full- track tape recorder and professional test equipment. The Capstan motor controlled by digital Quartz- Locked PLL, and can work at standard speeds with 0.01% accuracy, and at any speed from 1-7/8 to 30 ips using an external clock generator (Yes I can record a cassette at 30 IPS if you need it) Reproduction (Playback) Head of that recorder is a 4-track 4-channel head to measure Level unevenness @ 400 Hz ACROSS the tape before recording. Tapes with difference in Level more than 0.2 dB discarded Reproduction Equalization calibrated using Constant Magnetic Field Transducer Time Constant: 3180us + 120us Fe or 3180us + 70us Cr Service Pack Included: Dolby Level 400Hz 200nWbm DIN Level 315 Hz 250 nWb/m Tascam +1dB Level Tascam -3 dB Level Tascam Level 1 kHz 160 nWb/m 3 kHz Speed, WOW&F 15/15" 2.38 cm/sec 3 kHz Speed, WOW&F 1-7/8" 4.76 cm/sec 3 kHz Speed, WOW&F 3-3/4" 9.53 cm/sec Azimuth 10 kHz Azimuth 15 kHz Frequency Response 50 Hz Frequency Response 100 Hz Frequency Response 315 Hz Frequency Response 400 Hz Frequency Response 1 kHz Frequency Response 4 kHz Frequency Response 10 kHz Frequency Response 15 kHz Frequency Response 20 kHz Frequency Response Test Cassettes description: Standard: IEC (Prague) 1981 Type II CrO Time Constant: 3180us + 70us Recorded 20dB below 200nWb/m @ 400Hz Level Level fluctuation less than +/-0.2 dB measured. Typically +/-0.1 dB Frequency fluctuation +/-0.01% measured Two tones recorded on each tape (except 315 Hz Reference Tape): 315 Hz Reference Tone, duration 30 sec, and the Test Tone at the level corresponding to the Equalization curve, duration 9.5 min Duration of each Tape 10 min recorded at the BEGINNING of the Tape from 00 min 10 sec to 10min 10 sec You may order custom set with different Speed (15/16", 1-7/8" or 3-3/4"), different Frequencies and Equalization. Just give me the desired Standard Equalization curve Time Constants (3180us + 120us for Type I Ferro, 1590us+120us for Old Nakamichil e.t.c). Gennady ----- Original Message ----- From: Rainer & Joy-Ell To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 2:14 PM Subject: [naktalk] test tapes I would like to purchase set of test tapes(or at least a speed reference tape). Where are we with the test tapes? who has the best ones? ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.26, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.17770) http://www.pctools.com ======= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sheldance at gmail.com Fri Sep 9 08:33:43 2011 From: sheldance at gmail.com (Sheldon Trewin) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 00:33:43 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Broken Erase Head Message-ID: <8A4FC230-3A65-4A69-A525-0B0DAD9CB6EC@gmail.com> Hello all. I have a Cassette Deck 2, made in Japan, 1991, in AMAZING shape. I was cleaning the heads the other day when a piece of plastic on the left of the erase head broke, and the metal "fork" broke off (don't know the technical term for it, sorry!) HOW could this have happened? Also, is the only way to fix it to install a new erase head? It doesn't seem to affect playback or recording, but I DO notice a very faint squeaking noise coming from that area now when tapes are being played back. Just wondering if this is bad to play tapes without that piece in place. I will try and attach a picture as well. Thanks! Sheldon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 323285_246945112008101_100000778421816_648317_1867293293_o.jpg Type: image/jpg Size: 68816 bytes Desc: not available URL: From classicaudiorepair at gmail.com Fri Sep 9 10:34:42 2011 From: classicaudiorepair at gmail.com (Fred Longworth) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 01:34:42 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Broken Erase Head In-Reply-To: <8A4FC230-3A65-4A69-A525-0B0DAD9CB6EC@gmail.com> References: <8A4FC230-3A65-4A69-A525-0B0DAD9CB6EC@gmail.com> Message-ID: The metal "fork" is called the tape guide. It's function is to align the tape correctly on the erase head. It also helps maintain alignment for the other functions (e.g. play). A missing tape guide is a very bad thing. You need to find an exact replacement erase head, complete with guide. This needs to be installed using non-magnetic tools--and then aligned Every once in a while the plastic retainer for the tape guide is still intact enough so that the owner or a tech can easily determine the original position of the guide. In this case, the guide can be CAREFULLY reattached using super-glue. NOTE: this is a difficult glue job. Fred Fred Longworth MBA, CHMM Classic Audio Repair - est. 1994 3401 Adams Ave., Ste's E and F San Diego, CA 92116 (619) 282-9101 (800) 544-2100 Fax: (619) 282-7872 classicaudiorepair at gmail.com stereo1 at cox.net www.repairaudio.com On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 11:33 PM, Sheldon Trewin wrote: > Hello all. I have a Cassette Deck 2, made in Japan, 1991, in AMAZING shape. > > I was cleaning the heads the other day when a piece of plastic on the left > of the erase head broke, and the metal "fork" broke off (don't know the > technical term for it, sorry!) HOW could this have happened? Also, is the > only way to fix it to install a new erase head? > > It doesn't seem to affect playback or recording, but I DO notice a very > faint squeaking noise coming from that area now when tapes are being played > back. 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URL: From shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz Fri Sep 9 12:26:22 2011 From: shorty1275nz at actrix.co.nz (Martin Short) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 22:26:22 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Gennady's test tapes References: <004b01cc5a27$defd7a40$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Message-ID: Dear All, I have Gennady's tapes for the Dolby level cal, 3Khz 1 7/8" speed, and 15KHZ azimuth, (the key ones for me for Nak maintenance) and can vouch for their performance.. excellent tapes. I see no difference between Gennady's tapes and my Nak factory tapes.. I'll qualify that in that I only have a T-100.. no scope. Apart from being a match to the factory tapes, for me anyway, they are available locally in NZ and made in NZ by a complete gentleman with a passion for our gear.. which for us Antipodeans is great, and very reasonably priced too. cheers, Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: Gennady Lyskin To: Rainer & Joy-Ell ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 2:27 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] test tapes I record Professional Studio Test Cassette Tape Sets Recorded on new TDK 18u tape Each Tape is a Full-track Master tape (not a copy). It is recorded OFF SHELL using an OTARI 0.15" (3.81mm) Reel-to-Reel MX-5050BIII-F-P4 Production full- track tape recorder and professional test equipment. The Capstan motor controlled by digital Quartz- Locked PLL, and can work at standard speeds with 0.01% accuracy, and at any speed from 1-7/8 to 30 ips using an external clock generator (Yes I can record a cassette at 30 IPS if you need it) Reproduction (Playback) Head of that recorder is a 4-track 4-channel head to measure Level unevenness @ 400 Hz ACROSS the tape before recording. Tapes with difference in Level more than 0.2 dB discarded Reproduction Equalization calibrated using Constant Magnetic Field Transducer Time Constant: 3180us + 120us Fe or 3180us + 70us Cr Service Pack Included: Dolby Level 400Hz 200nWbm DIN Level 315 Hz 250 nWb/m Tascam +1dB Level Tascam -3 dB Level Tascam Level 1 kHz 160 nWb/m 3 kHz Speed, WOW&F 15/15" 2.38 cm/sec 3 kHz Speed, WOW&F 1-7/8" 4.76 cm/sec 3 kHz Speed, WOW&F 3-3/4" 9.53 cm/sec Azimuth 10 kHz Azimuth 15 kHz Frequency Response 50 Hz Frequency Response 100 Hz Frequency Response 315 Hz Frequency Response 400 Hz Frequency Response 1 kHz Frequency Response 4 kHz Frequency Response 10 kHz Frequency Response 15 kHz Frequency Response 20 kHz Frequency Response Test Cassettes description: Standard: IEC (Prague) 1981 Type II CrO Time Constant: 3180us + 70us Recorded 20dB below 200nWb/m @ 400Hz Level Level fluctuation less than +/-0.2 dB measured. Typically +/-0.1 dB Frequency fluctuation +/-0.01% measured Two tones recorded on each tape (except 315 Hz Reference Tape): 315 Hz Reference Tone, duration 30 sec, and the Test Tone at the level corresponding to the Equalization curve, duration 9.5 min Duration of each Tape 10 min recorded at the BEGINNING of the Tape from 00 min 10 sec to 10min 10 sec You may order custom set with different Speed (15/16", 1-7/8" or 3-3/4"), different Frequencies and Equalization. Just give me the desired Standard Equalization curve Time Constants (3180us + 120us for Type I Ferro, 1590us+120us for Old Nakamichil e.t.c). Gennady ----- Original Message ----- From: Rainer & Joy-Ell To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 2:14 PM Subject: [naktalk] test tapes I would like to purchase set of test tapes(or at least a speed reference tape). Where are we with the test tapes? who has the best ones? ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. 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The deck is now with Bala in Brisbane who I hope is sorting it out. David >From: Tom Brucker >Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700ZXE recording noise >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Message-ID: > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >Is it low frequency rushing noise? If so, the small value orange caps on the >dolby board cause this, so perhaps your new parts are bad? >tom brucker >On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 12:59 AM, David Thompson >wrote: > Can anyone suggest a reason for noisy recording on a 700ZX-E? > I have replaced all orange caps and some transistors on the bias oscillator > pcb. > > David From gregorybotha at me.com Fri Sep 9 20:27:44 2011 From: gregorybotha at me.com (Gregory Botha) Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 20:27:44 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 103, Issue 2 In-Reply-To: <201109061017.p86A89Q5002085@zxe.naks.com> References: <201109061017.p86A89Q5002085@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <7D079ABB-B362-4BEA-8BE1-FB1A3878DA97@me.com> Hi Thomas, You're probably correct on this one and thanks for the suggestion. I managed to find an original Sony Mirror Cassette to help me take a closer look at the tracking. I just need to find some time to get on with it. I'll let you know what the outcome is. Regards, Greg Sent from my iPad On 06 Sep 2011, at 12:17, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 10:15:59 -0700 (PDT) > From: thomas > Subject: [naktalk] Sony TC-K990ES Eating Tapes > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > <1315242959.26691.YahooMailClassic at web80602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Gregory ; This is in response to your Sony deck problem back in July. I think I found the fix ! I just fixed a Sony dual capstan deck with the same eating tapes at the beginning of the tape problem. I found the fix over at the Tapeheads forum. Very simple....I just turned the supply ( left side ) pinch roller arm position adjustment nut !/8 turn counter clockwise and now no more tape eating. It's very finicky...a quarter turn was a little too much. Yours may require turning in the other direction so use a disposable tape till you get it just right. The problem is caused by tape skew on some tapes. Thomas -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ct.waveform at googlemail.com Sat Sep 10 04:53:39 2011 From: ct.waveform at googlemail.com (Christian Thomas) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 03:53:39 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] dragon pinch roller surface flatness. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Tom I'm not so sure about that. Whether or not they were crowned to begin with, which I would guess they were, even if they look flat, I suspect they ought to be. I have looked into this area for other reasons, not as a true expert but as an enquirer and it is extraordinarily complex. Crowns can be absolutely tiny, as in tenths of a mm, but they do their job. The maths is fiendish and I guess that, like so many things, the so-called experts went by rules of thumb. The virtue of centring is readily seen. And in the case of a pinch roller, pressed up against, I presume, a straight roller, evenness of pressure would come into play. My guess is that wouldn't be achieved with a flat surface. In fact, I'm quite sure it wouldn't. The last place you want all the tugging is at the edges of the tape because that is where the effects and resultant movement would be greatest. I would hazard a guess that 2 to 3 tenths of a mm of crown would be about right. It certainly won't do any harm, though it may cost more to make. Can we find someone who has designed one of these things and who really knows? CT PS. What happened to my love, Julie? On 8 September 2011 22:14, Tom Brucker wrote: > The rollers should be flat. I don't recall any deck that has crowned > rollers. > > > On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 1:48 AM, Yuri Regelman wrote: > >> Hi folks, >> Does anyone happen to know the exact dimensions of the Dragon rollers, >> and in particular the amount arc exhibited by the surface? I'm >> considering having the rollers rebuilt. My originals have a slight >> curve to them and I'd like to confirm that this is by design and is >> not a result of wear. >> Thanks, >> Yuri >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > > -- > Tom Brucker > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Pike > Nashville, TN USA > 37220 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Greg From willy at willyhermannservices.com Sat Sep 10 18:42:22 2011 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 09:42:22 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 Distortion issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There's a project for one of the more artistic of the NakTalk members -- a "cassette tape rules" or some such would make a swell T-shirt. Let's see if anyone takes it on as. Willy On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 8:24 PM, Craig Sires wrote: > I also am experiencing this issue. When the output is on full, definite > distortion in the lower frequencies. I bought a very nice looking, fully > operational, (supposedly) 300 with original packaging last year from Ebay. > We all know how that can go. > Besides that, I wanted to say that this is my first post here although I've > been reading, (lurking), for several years. I can't thank the contributors > enough for the insights and knowledge I've gained regarding all things > Nakamichi. > Now if I could just find one of those T-shirts... > Regards, Craig > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Sun Sep 11 00:12:29 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 15:12:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] dragon pinch roller surface flatness. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1315692749.91558.YahooMailNeo@web130122.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > I'm not so sure about that.  Whether or not they were crowned to begin with [....] I suspect they ought to be. Cristian, unfounded suspicions can lead to embarrassing conclusions  :). Note than crowned pulleys are used on rubber belts, that are pliable and can conform to the pulley shape, to make them self aligning. Since the last thing we want from recording tape is pliability, it does not make sense to crown pinch rollers. The only result will be uneven tape to capstan pressure, which is not what we are after, either. The flat pinch rollers do result in a non self-aligning capstan/tape/pinch roller system. You can easily convince yourself of that by taking the pinch roller a bit out of alignment (either by mis-adjusting or by bending the arm) and then viewing the resulting tape damage.  Bottom line: Tom is absolutely right. Pinch rollers should be flat and absolutely parallel with the capstans. > The maths is fiendish... Compared to what? Quantum mechanics? Partial differential equations? Descriptive geometry? > What happened to my love, Julie? She must have taken up with a so called expert  :-). -- Ron >________________________________ >From: Christian Thomas >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Friday, September 9, 2011 10:53 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] dragon pinch roller surface flatness. > > >Hi Tom > > >I'm not so sure about that.  Whether or not they were crowned to begin with, which I would guess they were, even if they look flat, I suspect they ought to be. > > >I have looked into this area for other reasons, not as a true expert but as an enquirer and it is extraordinarily complex.  Crowns can be absolutely tiny, as in tenths of a mm, but they do their job.  The maths is fiendish and I guess that, like so many things, the so-called experts went by rules of thumb. > > >The virtue of centring is readily seen.  And in the case of a pinch roller, pressed up against, I presume, a straight roller, evenness of pressure would come into play.  My guess is that wouldn't be achieved with a flat surface.  In fact, I'm quite sure it wouldn't.  The last place you want all the tugging is at the edges of the tape because that is where the effects and resultant movement would be greatest.  > > >I would hazard a guess that 2 to 3 tenths of a mm of crown would be about right.  It certainly won't do any harm, though it may cost more to make.  Can we find someone who has designed one of these things and who really knows? > > >CT > > >PS.  What happened to my love, Julie? > > >On 8 September 2011 22:14, Tom Brucker wrote: > >The rollers should be flat. I don't recall any deck that has crowned rollers. >> >> >> >>On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 1:48 AM, Yuri Regelman wrote: >> >>Hi folks, >>>Does anyone happen to know the exact dimensions of the Dragon rollers, >>>and in particular the amount arc exhibited by the surface?  I'm >>>considering having the rollers rebuilt.  My originals have a slight >>>curve to them and I'd like to confirm that this is by design and is >>>not a result of wear. >>>Thanks, >>>Yuri >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >> >>-- >> >>Tom Brucker >>Hi Tech Service >>2934 Nolensville Pike >>Nashville, TN USA >>37220 >>hitech77 at earthlink.net >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vidalgo at gmail.com Sat Sep 10 14:03:44 2011 From: vidalgo at gmail.com (Vitaly Ovseitsev) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 14:03:44 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] dragon pinch roller surface flatness. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi folks, I have various new pinch rollers for cassette decks. Not dedicated to Nakamichi's, just as a spare parts, purchased years ago from various suppliers. All of them - with slightly curved working surface. It's easy visible when putting a roller to any flat metal shining surface. cheers Vitaly On 9/10/11, Christian Thomas wrote: > Hi Tom > > I'm not so sure about that. Whether or not they were crowned to begin with, > which I would guess they were, even if they look flat, I suspect they ought > to be. > > I have looked into this area for other reasons, not as a true expert but as > an enquirer and it is extraordinarily complex. Crowns can be absolutely > tiny, as in tenths of a mm, but they do their job. The maths is fiendish > and I guess that, like so many things, the so-called experts went by rules > of thumb. > > The virtue of centring is readily seen. And in the case of a pinch roller, > pressed up against, I presume, a straight roller, evenness of pressure would > come into play. My guess is that wouldn't be achieved with a flat surface. > In fact, I'm quite sure it wouldn't. The last place you want all the > tugging is at the edges of the tape because that is where the effects and > resultant movement would be greatest. > > I would hazard a guess that 2 to 3 tenths of a mm of crown would be about > right. It certainly won't do any harm, though it may cost more to make. > Can we find someone who has designed one of these things and who really > knows? > > CT > > PS. What happened to my love, Julie? > > On 8 September 2011 22:14, Tom Brucker wrote: > >> The rollers should be flat. I don't recall any deck that has crowned >> rollers. >> >> >> On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 1:48 AM, Yuri Regelman wrote: >> >>> Hi folks, >>> Does anyone happen to know the exact dimensions of the Dragon rollers, >>> and in particular the amount arc exhibited by the surface? I'm >>> considering having the rollers rebuilt. My originals have a slight >>> curve to them and I'd like to confirm that this is by design and is >>> not a result of wear. >>> Thanks, >>> Yuri >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Tom Brucker >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Pike >> Nashville, TN USA >> 37220 >> hitech77 at earthlink.net >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > From pool at dutch-design.de Sat Sep 10 16:38:12 2011 From: pool at dutch-design.de (Albert-Jan Pool) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 16:38:12 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Replacement for Nakamichi 582 Message-ID: <62419BE0-DD5E-4E14-A6D1-A5DD679B744D@dutch-design.de> My good old 582 recently gave up. A am thinking of buying a more recent Nakamichi deck of equivalent quality (dual capstan, tape pad lifter, 3 heads, calibration) and figured that Nakamiche CR-4 would be a good option. Can anybody out here tell me what the differnces between Nakamichi CR-4 and CR 4E are? thanks in advance! From gerhard.wartha at gmail.com Sat Sep 10 18:03:01 2011 From: gerhard.wartha at gmail.com (Gerhard Wartha) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 18:03:01 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] dragon pinch roller surface flatness. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, The original rollers from the classic transport (ZX, ZX-9 ) are not flat. I would not make sense if the rollers, working in very similar transport like DRAGON, would be flat. I my hand I ám holding a NOS pinch roller from NAKAMICHI 1000. Even this roller from 1975 is not flat. I did buy new rollers from a Naka repair shop in Japan for the ZX transport. This new rollers made in 2004 are not flat. I hope it helps. See photo. regards.  Am 10.09.2011 um 04:53 schrieb Christian Thomas: > Hi Tom > > I'm not so sure about that. Whether or not they were crowned to > begin with, which I would guess they were, even if they look flat, > I suspect they ought to be. > > I have looked into this area for other reasons, not as a true > expert but as an enquirer and it is extraordinarily complex. > Crowns can be absolutely tiny, as in tenths of a mm, but they do > their job. The maths is fiendish and I guess that, like so many > things, the so-called experts went by rules of thumb. > > The virtue of centring is readily seen. And in the case of a pinch > roller, pressed up against, I presume, a straight roller, evenness > of pressure would come into play. My guess is that wouldn't be > achieved with a flat surface. In fact, I'm quite sure it > wouldn't. The last place you want all the tugging is at the edges > of the tape because that is where the effects and resultant > movement would be greatest. > > I would hazard a guess that 2 to 3 tenths of a mm of crown would be > about right. It certainly won't do any harm, though it may cost > more to make. Can we find someone who has designed one of these > things and who really knows? > > CT > > PS. What happened to my love, Julie? > > On 8 September 2011 22:14, Tom Brucker wrote: > The rollers should be flat. I don't recall any deck that has > crowned rollers. > > > On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 1:48 AM, Yuri Regelman > wrote: > Hi folks, > Does anyone happen to know the exact dimensions of the Dragon rollers, > and in particular the amount arc exhibited by the surface? I'm > considering having the rollers rebuilt. 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The 600's seem to play tapes made on other decks very well too. Also the stereo imaging is fantastic , much better than any of my other decks....enjoy your new deck !    Thomas. --- On Sat, 9/10/11, Gregory Botha wrote: From: Gregory Botha Subject: [naktalk] NIB Nakamichi 600 To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Saturday, September 10, 2011, 11:15 AM Hi Guys, I so excited to have found a NIB Nakamichi 600, it arrived yesterday. I've been looking for one for a while as it is an interesting looking deck, what with the wedge shape design and all. The seller I bought if from also had a NIB Nakamichi 700, these must both be a rare find these days. The deck plays beautifully BTW. I noticed that the VU Meters are Peak Meters and respond faster than the usual VU Meters found on decks of that era. It also has another interesting feature call I.M Suppression which I haven't seen on other decks before. I took some pictures for anyone interested, have a look here :- http://www.flickr.com/photos/42434267 at N02/sets/72157627635786590/. Enjoy! Greg ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From emberphoto at hotmail.com Sat Sep 10 18:54:36 2011 From: emberphoto at hotmail.com (Steve Ember) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 12:54:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] NIB Nakamichi 600 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What a lucky guy you are, Gregory - to find one of these classics new in the box! By now, those are odds almost rivaling winning the lottery. Even though it only had Dolby-B, those peak reading meters allowed one to make amazingly quiet tapes with the sureness of not over-driving the tape! Do let us know if you ever get bored with it ;-) Steve > From: gregorybotha at me.com > Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 17:15:52 +0200 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] NIB Nakamichi 600 > > Hi Guys, > > I so excited to have found a NIB Nakamichi 600, it arrived yesterday. I've been looking for one for a while as it is an interesting looking deck, what with the wedge shape design and all. The seller I bought if from also had a NIB Nakamichi 700, these must both be a rare find these days. The deck plays beautifully BTW. I noticed that the VU Meters are Peak Meters and respond faster than the usual VU Meters found on decks of that era. It also has another interesting feature call I.M Suppression which I haven't seen on other decks before. > > I took some pictures for anyone interested, have a look here :- http://www.flickr.com/photos/42434267 at N02/sets/72157627635786590/. > > Enjoy! > > Greg > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sun Sep 11 02:46:30 2011 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (Ram) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 19:46:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Replacement for Nakamichi 582 In-Reply-To: <62419BE0-DD5E-4E14-A6D1-A5DD679B744D@dutch-design.de> References: <62419BE0-DD5E-4E14-A6D1-A5DD679B744D@dutch-design.de> Message-ID: <975B5202-C2B1-4FBB-899F-8370C115BF2B@yahoo.com> The cr 4e is made for Europe and will run on 220-240 volts. The cr4 will have multiple voltage capability. Finally there is a cr4a version sold in north america which runs at 110 volts. Ram On Sep 10, 2011, at 9:38 AM, Albert-Jan Pool wrote: > My good old 582 recently gave up. A am thinking of buying a more recent Nakamichi deck of equivalent quality (dual capstan, tape pad lifter, 3 heads, calibration) and figured that Nakamiche CR-4 would be a good option. Can anybody out here tell me what the differnces between Nakamichi CR-4 and CR 4E are? > > thanks in advance! > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From josephjean at verizon.net Sun Sep 11 03:10:38 2011 From: josephjean at verizon.net (goodguy) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 21:10:38 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] NIB Nakamichi 600 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0LRC00JEU39QMDH0@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> Congrats to you! I have a Dragon and a 600. The 600 is quite a surprise. At 11:15 AM 9/10/2011, you wrote: >Hi Guys, > >I so excited to have found a NIB Nakamichi 600, it arrived >yesterday. I've been looking for one for a while as it is an >interesting looking deck, what with the wedge shape design and all. >The seller I bought if from also had a NIB Nakamichi 700, these must >both be a rare find these days. The deck plays beautifully BTW. I >noticed that the VU Meters are Peak Meters and respond faster than >the usual VU Meters found on decks of that era. It also has another >interesting feature call I.M Suppression which I haven't seen on >other decks before. > >I took some pictures for anyone interested, have a look here :- >http://www.flickr.com/photos/42434267 at N02/sets/72157627635786590/. > >Enjoy! > >Greg >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland When momentum meets resistance, push harder. From gregorybotha at me.com Sun Sep 11 14:41:07 2011 From: gregorybotha at me.com (Gregory Botha) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 14:41:07 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 103, Issue 7 In-Reply-To: <201109111019.p8BA91Gs020133@zxe.naks.com> References: <201109111019.p8BA91Gs020133@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <7DC73913-1101-4FC6-977E-6DA796FCA089@me.com> Hi Steve, Thanks. It was the 600 that recently went on eBay and the price did go sky high. I had to wake up at 04h00 in the morning to do the final bidding. The guy I was bidding against probably wanted it as much as me 8-). BTW, I checked the tape path on my Sony TC-990ES with a mirror cassette and I could see that it was off a bit (not sitting in the middle of the erase head). I had to turn the left hand pinch roller adjustment in about half a turn to get it tracking properly and so far it seems to be cured. I tested it with a TDK tape that manifested this problem very badly and so far so good. Thanks again Thomas for the suggestion. Regards, Greg On 11 Sep 2011, at 12:19 PM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > Message: 10 > Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 12:54:36 -0400 > From: Steve Ember > Subject: RE: [naktalk] NIB Nakamichi 600 > To: Nakamichi Talk > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > What a lucky guy you are, Gregory - to find one of these classics new in the box! By now, those are odds almost rivaling winning the lottery. > > Even though it only had Dolby-B, those peak reading meters allowed one to make amazingly quiet tapes with the sureness of not over-driving the tape! > > Do let us know if you ever get bored with it ;-) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Sun Sep 11 01:23:22 2011 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per Borgen) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 01:23:22 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] NIB Nakamichi 600 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wow. Congratulation. I just love the design of that deck. Very nice pictures btw. I have one myself in store - also in pristine looking condition like yours. I look forward to be able to listen to it once - some people in here really rank it high. Per 2011/9/10 Gregory Botha > Hi Guys, > > I so excited to have found a NIB Nakamichi 600, it arrived yesterday. I've > been looking for one for a while as it is an interesting looking deck, what > with the wedge shape design and all. The seller I bought if from also had a > NIB Nakamichi 700, these must both be a rare find these days. The deck plays > beautifully BTW. I noticed that the VU Meters are Peak Meters and respond > faster than the usual VU Meters found on decks of that era. It also has > another interesting feature call I.M Suppression which I haven't seen on > other decks before. > > I took some pictures for anyone interested, have a look here :- > http://www.flickr.com/photos/42434267 at N02/sets/72157627635786590/. > > Enjoy! > > Greg > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ct.waveform at googlemail.com Sun Sep 11 02:42:05 2011 From: ct.waveform at googlemail.com (Christian Thomas) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 01:42:05 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] dragon pinch roller surface flatness. In-Reply-To: <1315692749.91558.YahooMailNeo@web130122.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <1315692749.91558.YahooMailNeo@web130122.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Ron It was the take up that I was concerned with, and then the evenness of pressure as the tape passes a flat surface (if you can call a roller that.) The post below may bear me out. Or at least say that other engineers have thought similar things. As for the maths, have you ever actually done maths on a practical mechanical problem? I have, but I do not always succeed. I know my limits. They may be below those of some friends of mine, but they still speak to me after I fail. Most of the mathematics you broadly quote are vastly simpler - as is usually the case in neat solutions. Partial diffs are really a method to a solution, not really a barrier as such. I have looked into this subject in belts of various sorts, and in this instance the compliance of the tape is plenty enough to warrant a camber. But if you would like to give Naktalk the definitive mathematical reasoning of why a crown provides self-centring then you can count me in as a gripped reader. If you do it properly I guess you will run out of real processing power. As far as I'm concerned, once one reaches the limit of what one can hold in one's mind, to be processed, inevitably defines the limit of one's ability - and that I would label fiendish. You solve the problem, and show us that it is as simple as you think. CT On 10 September 2011 23:12, Ron wrote: > > > I'm not so sure about that. Whether or not they were crowned to begin > with [....] I suspect they ought to be. > > Cristian, unfounded suspicions can lead to embarrassing > conclusions :). > > Note than crowned pulleys are used on rubber belts, that > are pliable and can conform to the pulley shape, to make > them self aligning. Since the last thing we want from > recording tape is pliability, it does not make sense to > crown pinch rollers. The only result will be uneven tape > to capstan pressure, which is not what we are after, either. > > The flat pinch rollers do result in a non self-aligning > capstan/tape/pinch roller system. You can easily convince > yourself of that by taking the pinch roller a bit out of > alignment (either by mis-adjusting or by bending the arm) > and then viewing the resulting tape damage. > > Bottom line: Tom is absolutely right. Pinch rollers should > be flat and absolutely parallel with the capstans. > > > The maths is fiendish... > > Compared to what? Quantum mechanics? Partial differential > equations? Descriptive geometry? > > > What happened to my love, Julie? > > She must have taken up with a so called expert :-). > > -- Ron > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Christian Thomas > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Friday, September 9, 2011 10:53 PM > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] dragon pinch roller surface flatness. > > Hi Tom > > I'm not so sure about that. Whether or not they were crowned to begin > with, which I would guess they were, even if they look flat, I suspect they > ought to be. > > I have looked into this area for other reasons, not as a true expert but as > an enquirer and it is extraordinarily complex. Crowns can be absolutely > tiny, as in tenths of a mm, but they do their job. The maths is fiendish > and I guess that, like so many things, the so-called experts went by rules > of thumb. > > The virtue of centring is readily seen. And in the case of a pinch roller, > pressed up against, I presume, a straight roller, evenness of pressure would > come into play. My guess is that wouldn't be achieved with a flat surface. > In fact, I'm quite sure it wouldn't. The last place you want all the > tugging is at the edges of the tape because that is where the effects and > resultant movement would be greatest. > > I would hazard a guess that 2 to 3 tenths of a mm of crown would be about > right. It certainly won't do any harm, though it may cost more to make. > Can we find someone who has designed one of these things and who really > knows? > > CT > > PS. What happened to my love, Julie? > > On 8 September 2011 22:14, Tom Brucker wrote: > > The rollers should be flat. I don't recall any deck that has crowned > rollers. > > > On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 1:48 AM, Yuri Regelman wrote: > > Hi folks, > Does anyone happen to know the exact dimensions of the Dragon rollers, > and in particular the amount arc exhibited by the surface? I'm > considering having the rollers rebuilt. My originals have a slight > curve to them and I'd like to confirm that this is by design and is > not a result of wear. > Thanks, > Yuri > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > -- > Tom Brucker > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Pike > Nashville, TN USA > 37220 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Anyone? -- Ron >________________________________ >From: Gerhard Wartha >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 12:03 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] dragon pinch roller surface flatness. > > >Hi, > > >The original rollers from the classic transport (ZX, ZX-9 ) are not flat. I would not make sense if the rollers, working in  very similar transport like DRAGON, would  be flat. > > >I my hand I ám holding a NOS pinch roller from NAKAMICHI 1000. Even this  roller  from 1975 is not flat. > > >I did buy new rollers from a Naka repair shop in Japan for the ZX transport. > > >This new rollers made in 2004 are not flat.  > > >I hope it helps. > > >See photo. > > >regards. > > > > > >Am 10.09.2011 um 04:53 schrieb Christian Thomas: > >Hi Tom >> >> >>I'm not so sure about that.  Whether or not they were crowned to begin with, which I would guess they were, even if they look flat, I suspect they ought to be. >> >> >>I have looked into this area for other reasons, not as a true expert but as an enquirer and it is extraordinarily complex.  Crowns can be absolutely tiny, as in tenths of a mm, but they do their job.  The maths is fiendish and I guess that, like so many things, the so-called experts went by rules of thumb. >> >> >>The virtue of centring is readily seen.  And in the case of a pinch roller, pressed up against, I presume, a straight roller, evenness of pressure would come into play.  My guess is that wouldn't be achieved with a flat surface.  In fact, I'm quite sure it wouldn't.  The last place you want all the tugging is at the edges of the tape because that is where the effects and resultant movement would be greatest.  >> >> >>I would hazard a guess that 2 to 3 tenths of a mm of crown would be about right.  It certainly won't do any harm, though it may cost more to make.  Can we find someone who has designed one of these things and who really knows? >> >> >>CT >> >> >>PS.  What happened to my love, Julie? >> >> >>On 8 September 2011 22:14, Tom Brucker wrote: >> >>The rollers should be flat. I don't recall any deck that has crowned rollers. >>> >>> >>> >>>On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 1:48 AM, Yuri Regelman wrote: >>> >>>Hi folks, >>>>Does anyone happen to know the exact dimensions of the Dragon rollers, >>>>and in particular the amount arc exhibited by the surface?  I'm >>>>considering having the rollers rebuilt.  My originals have a slight >>>>curve to them and I'd like to confirm that this is by design and is >>>>not a result of wear. >>>>Thanks, >>>>Yuri >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>> >>> >>>-- >>> >>>Tom Brucker >>>Hi Tech Service >>>2934 Nolensville Pike >>>Nashville, TN USA >>>37220 >>>hitech77 at earthlink.net >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>         Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>                       Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The Idea for a curved roller is to work like an Iron. ( very little ) A flat roller, aligned not exact to the Capstans would pull the tape in one direction. A cur-fed roller not. The direction will by the tape guides ( plastic ) only, instead of the rubber. The function of the pinch roller is to pull the tape against the capstan to get the capstan movements to the tape. The strait way for the tape to the heads will be made by the Cassette rollers ( Plastic )and the tape guides from the transport.( plastic) I think I have one NOS- CR- Roller, I will look at it too. We will not know why Nakamichi did make this rollers flat or cur- fed, if we replace them we should do it like the Naka Engineers would do. Better we don´t change anything. Like we all know, they did know a lot! Kind regards G Am 11.09.2011 um 15:58 schrieb Ron: > Gerhard, > > Thanks for taking the trouble to photograph your pinch roller. > > I don't have a classic transport pinch roller handy, but do have > pinch rollers for MR-1 and CR-7 (both use the same Sankyo > transport), all of which are original Nakamichi. I just checked > those against a metal ruler and all were perfectly flat, all the > way to the edge. This makes sense to me, as, Engineering wise, > the goal is to apply equal pressure along the tape width, which > a curved roller will not. > > Seems to me this discussion (controversy?) can be easily > resolved by someone that has in his/her possession an original > Dragon pinch roller in like-new condition. Anyone? > > -- Ron > > From: Gerhard Wartha > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 12:03 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] dragon pinch roller surface flatness. > > Hi, > > The original rollers from the classic transport (ZX, ZX-9 ) are not > flat. I would not make sense if the rollers, working in very > similar transport like DRAGON, would be flat. > > I my hand I ám holding a NOS pinch roller from NAKAMICHI 1000. Even > this roller from 1975 is not flat. > > I did buy new rollers from a Naka repair shop in Japan for the ZX > transport. > > This new rollers made in 2004 are not flat. > > I hope it helps. > > See photo. > > regards. > > > > Am 10.09.2011 um 04:53 schrieb Christian Thomas: > >> Hi Tom >> >> I'm not so sure about that. Whether or not they were crowned to >> begin with, which I would guess they were, even if they look flat, >> I suspect they ought to be. >> >> I have looked into this area for other reasons, not as a true >> expert but as an enquirer and it is extraordinarily complex. >> Crowns can be absolutely tiny, as in tenths of a mm, but they do >> their job. The maths is fiendish and I guess that, like so many >> things, the so-called experts went by rules of thumb. >> >> The virtue of centring is readily seen. And in the case of a >> pinch roller, pressed up against, I presume, a straight roller, >> evenness of pressure would come into play. My guess is that >> wouldn't be achieved with a flat surface. In fact, I'm quite sure >> it wouldn't. The last place you want all the tugging is at the >> edges of the tape because that is where the effects and resultant >> movement would be greatest. >> >> I would hazard a guess that 2 to 3 tenths of a mm of crown would >> be about right. It certainly won't do any harm, though it may >> cost more to make. Can we find someone who has designed one of >> these things and who really knows? >> >> CT >> >> PS. What happened to my love, Julie? >> >> On 8 September 2011 22:14, Tom Brucker wrote: >> The rollers should be flat. I don't recall any deck that has >> crowned rollers. >> >> >> On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 1:48 AM, Yuri Regelman >> wrote: >> Hi folks, >> Does anyone happen to know the exact dimensions of the Dragon >> rollers, >> and in particular the amount arc exhibited by the surface? I'm >> considering having the rollers rebuilt. My originals have a slight >> curve to them and I'd like to confirm that this is by design and is >> not a result of wear. >> Thanks, >> Yuri >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> >> >> >> -- >> Tom Brucker >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Pike >> Nashville, TN USA >> 37220 >> hitech77 at earthlink.net >> >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > roller.jpg>========--------------------------------------------------- > ------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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References: <1315749503.82570.YahooMailNeo@web130111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9C59FDB3-1E08-463E-831A-8110B8700F2C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <416F74A819054CCA8046B4F62A83AF79@emachinef0bb72> Hi everyone, let me put my 2 cents regarding this discussion. Flat pinch rollers used on simple cheap transports with low roller-capstan pressure designed for thin tapes like Sankyo transports in CRs. Any serious transport mechanism has more or less curved or stepped pinch roller. The radius of capstan + tape is longer than capstan radius only. If the sides of the roller touch capstan and the middle part of the roller touches tape simultaneously, the roller slips on the capstan making squeaking noise and increased W&F. The thicker the tape the more noticeable noise and W&F. Professional Reel-to-Reel T-recorders with 50u tape have curved or step-machined pinch rollers. Working surface of those rollers touches tape only. Usually capstan is mat-finished to increase tape-capstan friction. 1/4" 6.25 mm tape rollers have 6.1 mm working surface. They should have sufficient pressure to drive tape. I hope this will help. Cheers, Gennady ----- Original Message ----- From: Gerhard Wartha To: Ron ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 8:26 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] dragon pinch roller surface flatness. Hi, Ron, Nakamichi did develop the CR- transport to make the transport smaller and cheaper. The most Decks of this time ( 1985) are made in Thailand or other countries. I think it was cheaper to fabricate a flat pinch roller than a ZX-pitch roller. If we look close to a cassette tape and his side ends, we will see this ends will lift up a little, special if the tape gets pulled. The Idea for a curved roller is to work like an Iron. ( very little ) A flat roller, aligned not exact to the Capstans would pull the tape in one direction. A cur-fed roller not. The direction will by the tape guides ( plastic ) only, instead of the rubber. The function of the pinch roller is to pull the tape against the capstan to get the capstan movements to the tape. The strait way for the tape to the heads will be made by the Cassette rollers ( Plastic )and the tape guides from the transport.( plastic) I think I have one NOS- CR- Roller, I will look at it too. We will not know why Nakamichi did make this rollers flat or cur-fed, if we replace them we should do it like the Naka Engineers would do. Better we don´t change anything. Like we all know, they did know a lot! Kind regards G Am 11.09.2011 um 15:58 schrieb Ron: Gerhard, Thanks for taking the trouble to photograph your pinch roller. I don't have a classic transport pinch roller handy, but do have pinch rollers for MR-1 and CR-7 (both use the same Sankyo transport), all of which are original Nakamichi. I just checked those against a metal ruler and all were perfectly flat, all the way to the edge. This makes sense to me, as, Engineering wise, the goal is to apply equal pressure along the tape width, which a curved roller will not. Seems to me this discussion (controversy?) can be easily resolved by someone that has in his/her possession an original Dragon pinch roller in like-new condition. Anyone? -- Ron -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gerhard Wartha To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 12:03 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] dragon pinch roller surface flatness. Hi, The original rollers from the classic transport (ZX, ZX-9 ) are not flat. I would not make sense if the rollers, working in very similar transport like DRAGON, would be flat. I my hand I ám holding a NOS pinch roller from NAKAMICHI 1000. Even this roller from 1975 is not flat. I did buy new rollers from a Naka repair shop in Japan for the ZX transport. This new rollers made in 2004 are not flat. I hope it helps. See photo. regards. Am 10.09.2011 um 04:53 schrieb Christian Thomas: Hi Tom I'm not so sure about that. Whether or not they were crowned to begin with, which I would guess they were, even if they look flat, I suspect they ought to be. I have looked into this area for other reasons, not as a true expert but as an enquirer and it is extraordinarily complex. Crowns can be absolutely tiny, as in tenths of a mm, but they do their job. The maths is fiendish and I guess that, like so many things, the so-called experts went by rules of thumb. The virtue of centring is readily seen. And in the case of a pinch roller, pressed up against, I presume, a straight roller, evenness of pressure would come into play. My guess is that wouldn't be achieved with a flat surface. In fact, I'm quite sure it wouldn't. The last place you want all the tugging is at the edges of the tape because that is where the effects and resultant movement would be greatest. I would hazard a guess that 2 to 3 tenths of a mm of crown would be about right. It certainly won't do any harm, though it may cost more to make. Can we find someone who has designed one of these things and who really knows? CT PS. What happened to my love, Julie? On 8 September 2011 22:14, Tom Brucker wrote: The rollers should be flat. I don't recall any deck that has crowned rollers. On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 1:48 AM, Yuri Regelman wrote: Hi folks, Does anyone happen to know the exact dimensions of the Dragon rollers, and in particular the amount arc exhibited by the surface? I'm considering having the rollers rebuilt. My originals have a slight curve to them and I'd like to confirm that this is by design and is not a result of wear. 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URL: From mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk Mon Sep 12 18:18:45 2011 From: mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk (Mercedes Benz) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 16:18:45 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300E distorting on left channel only on maximum output In-Reply-To: <1315512937.23341.YahooMailNeo@web130101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: , , <1315406528.35288.YahooMailNeo@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> , <1315512937.23341.YahooMailNeo@web130101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Ron, Thanks for the clarification. I don't have a signal tracer but would have to make one now that I need it. There are a few kits available here in the UK so I will have to get one assembled asap.Will a headphone Amp + a pair of modified DMM test leads work as a signal tracer or will the signal be too weak for the Amp? Kind regards Nadeem Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 13:15:37 -0700 From: ronami at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300E distorting on left channel only on maximum output To: mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk Nadeem, You need a signal tracer to perform the test I described (see quote below). A DMM won't be useful, because it shows a signal level, but not whether it's distorted. To use a signal tracer you simply touch the instrument probe tip to a circuit point and hear the signal present there through the tracer speaker. If you don't have a signal tracer, you can fashion one from an amplifier plus speaker. The combination has to be good enough so you'll be able to tell whether the sound is distorted by the deck. -- Ron From: Mercedes Benz To: ronami at yahoo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 1:24 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX-300E distorting on left channel only on maximum output Hi Ron, Thanks for your detailed reply. I was kind of hoping that it was the output control which was faulty but as you have described it could be anything.Just to be a bit clearer as I haven't done anything like this before, what should I be looking for when I test the output control top for a fault? Can I also use a DMM to trace the fault as I don't have a signal tracer? Kind regardsNadeem Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 07:42:08 -0700 From: ronami at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300E distorting on left channel only on maximum output To: naktalk at naks.com There exist a large number of causes for such a fault. Many of these can be difficult to locate, but very easy to fix, once located. As a first guess, I would suspect the circuitry between the output control and the deck output. There isn't that much of it. What I would do is play a tape and use a signal tracer to see whether the problem exists at the output control top (the 'top' is the outside lug that is not grounded). If not, I would follow the signal path to the deck output, changing volume and comparing to the right channel as I go along. If the problem does exist at the output control top, I would trace backward in a similar fashion. Once a point is found where the problem appears, it is usually a simple matter to determine the exact fault. -- Ron From: Mercedes Benz To: NakTalk Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 7:45 AM Subject: [naktalk] BX-300E distorting on left channel only on maximum output Hi everyone, Just acquired a BX-300E which works fine except that when I turn the output slider to max the sound distorts on the left channel. If I move the slider to number 6 position and turn the volume up on my amp instead then the sound is not distorted. I have also noticed that the left channel meter is always 1 or 2 db higher than the right channel when playing. I have cleaned the heads and demagnetised them. I have also thoroughly cleaned the output control using Deoxit but still get the same result. Can someone kindly let me know what might be the cause of this behaviour and how it can be fixed? Any help will be appreciated. Thanks & kind regards. 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URL: From mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk Mon Sep 12 18:23:18 2011 From: mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk (Mercedes Benz) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 16:23:18 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300E distorting on left channel only on maximum output In-Reply-To: <1315513155.58027.YahooMailNeo@web130112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: , , , , <1315406528.35288.YahooMailNeo@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, , <1315513155.58027.YahooMailNeo@web130112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have now tested the Amp and also the interconnects using another deck and they are both fine. Its the BX-300 which is distorting on left channel when output is turned to max. Regards Nadeem Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 13:19:15 -0700 From: ronami at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300E distorting on left channel only on maximum output To: naktalk at naks.com How do you know the deck is distorting and not the amp/receiver?Check by leaving the deck output control alone and advancing the amp volume control. Does it still distort then? -- Ron From: Mercedes Benz To: NakTalk Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2011 1:13 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX-300E distorting on left channel only on maximum output Ok, after some more testing I noticed that it only happens on tapes recorded with slightly higher level. For instance, I played a tape which was recorded with level meters lighting up to +5db plays on this deck with left meter touching +7db and sometimes even +10db while the right channel stays at +5db max. On this tape when I turn the output control to max the sound distorts so I have to reduce it to 6 and then its fine. Another tape which was recorded with +3db max level plays fine without distortion but the left meter still goes upto +7db while the right meter at +5db. Does it give any clues as to what might be the problem? Thanks & kind regards Nadeem Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 07:42:08 -0700 From: ronami at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300E distorting on left channel only on maximum output To: naktalk at naks.com There exist a large number of causes for such a fault. Many of these can be difficult to locate, but very easy to fix, once located. As a first guess, I would suspect the circuitry between the output control and the deck output. There isn't that much of it. What I would do is play a tape and use a signal tracer to see whether the problem exists at the output control top (the 'top' is the outside lug that is not grounded). If not, I would follow the signal path to the deck output, changing volume and comparing to the right channel as I go along. If the problem does exist at the output control top, I would trace backward in a similar fashion. Once a point is found where the problem appears, it is usually a simple matter to determine the exact fault. -- Ron From: Mercedes Benz To: NakTalk Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 7:45 AM Subject: [naktalk] BX-300E distorting on left channel only on maximum output Hi everyone, Just acquired a BX-300E which works fine except that when I turn the output slider to max the sound distorts on the left channel. If I move the slider to number 6 position and turn the volume up on my amp instead then the sound is not distorted. I have also noticed that the left channel meter is always 1 or 2 db higher than the right channel when playing. I have cleaned the heads and demagnetised them. I have also thoroughly cleaned the output control using Deoxit but still get the same result. Can someone kindly let me know what might be the cause of this behaviour and how it can be fixed? Any help will be appreciated. Thanks & kind regards. 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URL: From ronami at yahoo.com Mon Sep 12 21:36:08 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 12:36:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300E distorting on left channel only on maximum output In-Reply-To: References: , , <1315406528.35288.YahooMailNeo@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> , <1315512937.23341.YahooMailNeo@web130101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1315856168.24971.YahooMailNeo@web130110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> A headphone Amp + a shielded test lead will do, but will generally be limited to cases where the signal is at 'line level' (as in this case).  You may wish to search for a vintage instrument, making sure that it's in good working order. Consider the EICO 150 (or 147A, the older 147 or even older 145), Heathkit IT-12 (or the older T-4 or T-3). Older units have a higher likelihood of problems, but are generally lower in cost. -- Ron >________________________________ >From: Mercedes Benz >To: NakTalk >Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 12:18 PM >Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX-300E distorting on left channel only on maximum output > > > >Hi Ron, > > >Thanks for the clarification. I don't have a signal tracer but would have to make one now that I need it. > > >There are a few kits available here in the UK so I will have to get one assembled asap. >Will a headphone Amp + a pair of modified DMM test leads work as a signal tracer or will the signal be too weak for the Amp?  > > >Kind regards > > >Nadeem > > > > > > > >________________________________ >Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 13:15:37 -0700 >From: ronami at yahoo.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300E distorting on left channel only on maximum output >To: mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk > > >Nadeem, > > >You need a signal tracer to perform the test I described (see > >quote below). A DMM won't be useful, because it shows a signal > >level, but not whether it's distorted.  > > >To use a signal tracer you simply touch the instrument probe tip > >to a circuit point and hear the signal present there through the tracer > >speaker. > > > >If you don't have a signal tracer, you can fashion one from an > >amplifier plus speaker. The combination has to be good enough > >so you'll be able to tell whether the sound is distorted by the > >deck.  > > >-- Ron > > > > > > > >>________________________________ >>From: Mercedes Benz >>To: ronami at yahoo.com >>Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 1:24 PM >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX-300E distorting on left channel only on maximum output >> >> >> >>Hi Ron, >> >> >>Thanks for your detailed reply. >> >> >>I was kind of hoping that it was the output control which was faulty but as you have described it could be anything. >>Just to be a bit clearer as I haven't done anything like this before, what should I be looking for when I test the output control top for a fault? Can I also use a DMM to trace the fault as I don't have a signal tracer? >> >> >>Kind regards >>Nadeem >> >> >> >>________________________________ >>Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 07:42:08 -0700 >>From: ronami at yahoo.com >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300E distorting on left channel only on maximum output >>To: naktalk at naks.com >> >> >> >> >>There exist a large number of causes for such a fault. Many of >> >>these can be difficult to locate, but very easy to fix, once  >>located. >> >> >> >>As a first guess, I would suspect the circuitry between the output >> >>control and the deck output. There isn't that much of it. What I >> >>would do is play a tape and use a signal tracer to see whether the >> >>problem exists at the output control top (the 'top' is the outside lug >> >>that is not grounded). If not, I would follow the signal path to the >> >>deck output, changing volume and comparing to the right channel >> >>as I go along.  >> >> >>If the problem does exist at the output control top, I would trace >> >>backward in a similar fashion. Once a point is found where the >> >>problem appears, it is usually a simple matter to determine the >> >>exact fault. >> >>-- Ron >> >> >> >> >> >>>________________________________ >>>From: Mercedes Benz >>>To: NakTalk >>>Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 7:45 AM >>>Subject: [naktalk] BX-300E distorting on left channel only on maximum output >>> >>> >>> >>>Hi everyone, >>> >>> >>>Just acquired a BX-300E which works fine except that when I turn the output slider to max the sound distorts on the left channel.  >>> >>> >>>If I move the slider to number 6 position and turn the volume up on my amp instead then the sound is not distorted. I have also noticed that the left channel meter is always 1 or 2 db higher than the right channel when playing. >>> >>> >>>I have cleaned the heads and demagnetised them. I have also thoroughly cleaned the output control using Deoxit but still get the same result.  >>> >>> >>>Can someone kindly let me know what might be the cause of this behaviour and how it can be fixed? 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URL: From yregelman at gmail.com Mon Sep 12 22:37:18 2011 From: yregelman at gmail.com (Yuri Regelman) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 13:37:18 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] dragon pinch roller surface flatness. In-Reply-To: <416F74A819054CCA8046B4F62A83AF79@emachinef0bb72> References: <1315749503.82570.YahooMailNeo@web130111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9C59FDB3-1E08-463E-831A-8110B8700F2C@gmail.com> <416F74A819054CCA8046B4F62A83AF79@emachinef0bb72> Message-ID: For what its worth, all the used nakamichi pinch rollers that I came across from dragon, cr-7, 581 do have a slight curve. I never had a chance to inspect a brand new sample, and was not sure whether the curve was part of the original design or developed over the decades of wear and cleaning, so I thought I'd pose the question to a larger group. Gerhard's photo of the brand new roller shows a curve that is similar to the curve I've observed on my used rollers, which makes me think that my rollers are probably not as worn as I thought they might be. Nevertheless, it seems like there is a need to capture the exact dimensions of the NOS parts, while they are still in existence, so that we could have an option of having either Fred or Terry produce replacements down the road. Terry mentioned to me that he does not have factory specs for dragon rollers, while he does have factory specs and drawings for rollers from many other decks. It seems like there is a void to fill :) Yuri On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 12:36 AM, Guennadi Lyskine wrote: > > > Hi everyone, let me put my 2 cents regarding this discussion. > > Flat pinch rollers used on simple cheap transports with low roller-capstan > pressure designed for thin tapes like Sankyo transports in CRs. > > Any serious transport mechanism has more or less curved or stepped pinch > roller. > > The radius of capstan + tape is longer than capstan radius only. > > If the sides of the roller touch capstan and the middle part of the roller > touches tape simultaneously, the roller slips on the capstan making > squeaking noise and increased W&F. > > The thicker the tape the more noticeable noise and W&F. > > Professional Reel-to-Reel T-recorders with 50u tape have curved or > step-machined pinch rollers. > >  Working surface of those rollers touches tape only. > >  Usually capstan is mat-finished to increase tape-capstan friction. > > 1/4" 6.25 mm tape rollers have 6.1 mm working surface. They should have > sufficient pressure to drive tape. > > I hope this will help. > > Cheers, > > Gennady > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gerhard Wartha > To: Ron ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 8:26 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] dragon pinch roller surface flatness. > Hi, Ron, > Nakamichi did develop the CR- transport to make the transport smaller and > cheaper. > The most Decks of this time ( 1985) are made in Thailand  or other > countries. > I think it was cheaper to fabricate a flat pinch roller than a ZX-pitch > roller. > If we look close to a cassette tape and his side ends, we will see this ends > will lift up a little, special if the tape gets pulled. > The Idea for a  curved roller is to work like an Iron. ( very little ) > A  flat roller, aligned not exact  to the Capstans would pull the tape in > one direction. > A cur-fed roller not. The direction will by the tape guides ( plastic ) > only, instead of the rubber. > The function of the pinch roller is to pull the tape against the capstan to > get the capstan movements to the tape. > The strait way for the tape to the heads will be made by the Cassette > rollers ( Plastic )and the tape guides from the transport.( plastic) > I think I have one NOS- CR- Roller, I will look at it too. > We will not know why  Nakamichi did make this rollers flat or cur-fed, if we > replace them we should do it  like the Naka > Engineers would do.  Better we don´t change anything. > Like we all know, they did know a lot! > Kind regards > G > > > Am 11.09.2011 um 15:58 schrieb Ron: > > Gerhard, > Thanks for taking the trouble to photograph your pinch roller. > > I don't have a classic transport pinch roller handy, but do have > pinch rollers for MR-1 and CR-7 (both use the same Sankyo > transport), all of which are original Nakamichi. I just checked > those against a metal ruler and all were perfectly flat, all the > way to the edge. This makes sense to me, as, Engineering wise, > the goal is to apply equal pressure along the tape width, which > a curved roller will not. > > Seems to me this discussion (controversy?) can be easily > resolved by someone that has in his/her possession an original > Dragon pinch roller in like-new condition. Anyone? > -- Ron > > ________________________________ > From: Gerhard Wartha > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 12:03 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] dragon pinch roller surface flatness. > > Hi, > The original rollers from the classic transport (ZX, ZX-9 ) are not flat. I > would not make sense if the rollers, working in  very similar transport like > DRAGON, would  be flat. > I my hand I ám holding a NOS pinch roller from NAKAMICHI 1000. Even this >  roller  from 1975 is not flat. > I did buy new rollers from a Naka repair shop in Japan for the ZX transport. > This new rollers made in 2004 are not flat. > I hope it helps. > See photo. > regards. > > > Am 10.09.2011 um 04:53 schrieb Christian Thomas: > > Hi Tom > I'm not so sure about that.  Whether or not they were crowned to begin with, > which I would guess they were, even if they look flat, I suspect they ought > to be. > I have looked into this area for other reasons, not as a true expert but as > an enquirer and it is extraordinarily complex.  Crowns can be absolutely > tiny, as in tenths of a mm, but they do their job.  The maths is fiendish > and I guess that, like so many things, the so-called experts went by rules > of thumb. > The virtue of centring is readily seen.  And in the case of a pinch roller, > pressed up against, I presume, a straight roller, evenness of pressure would > come into play.  My guess is that wouldn't be achieved with a flat surface. >  In fact, I'm quite sure it wouldn't.  The last place you want all the > tugging is at the edges of the tape because that is where the effects and > resultant movement would be greatest. > I would hazard a guess that 2 to 3 tenths of a mm of crown would be about > right.  It certainly won't do any harm, though it may cost more to make. >  Can we find someone who has designed one of these things and who really > knows? > CT > PS.  What happened to my love, Julie? > > On 8 September 2011 22:14, Tom Brucker wrote: > > The rollers should be flat. I don't recall any deck that has crowned > rollers. > > On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 1:48 AM, Yuri Regelman wrote: > > Hi folks, > Does anyone happen to know the exact dimensions of the Dragon rollers, > and in particular the amount arc exhibited by the surface?  I'm > considering having the rollers rebuilt.  My originals have a slight > curve to them and I'd like to confirm that this is by design and is > not a result of wear. > Thanks, > Yuri > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > -- > Tom Brucker > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Pike > Nashville, TN USA > 37220 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > roller.jpg>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ________________________________ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From ct.waveform at googlemail.com Tue Sep 13 02:53:26 2011 From: ct.waveform at googlemail.com (Christian Thomas) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 01:53:26 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] dragon pinch roller surface flatness. In-Reply-To: References: <1315749503.82570.YahooMailNeo@web130111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9C59FDB3-1E08-463E-831A-8110B8700F2C@gmail.com> <416F74A819054CCA8046B4F62A83AF79@emachinef0bb72> Message-ID: Thank you Yuri I thought I was on the losing end of this discussion. A flat roller will NOT give even pressure across the tape. The crown may be tiny but what happens in practice is that the edges lift, giving a different radius. No one, including me, seems to have a proper sense of the self-centring effects of a crowned roller - and bear in mind that this is before it is pinched - but this would seem to me to be important. You would all be astonished at the tininess of crowns on things like cam belts but they keep them in line at tens of thousands of revs. I think it is a pre-requisite to have a crown. Tapes are flexible. Don't stretch them, but keep them within their elastic region, and make the best of that quality. For me this thread shows the difference between capable amateurs and proper manufacturers making a product for people. It must be among the most basic criteria for making a tape player, yet all the experts want to make a Philips cassette player. Do it flat by all means, and have the tape wander all you like - because there is nothing to keep it central. Don't complain to me when the edges are scrunched up and you've lost a tenth of what was recorded. I am fixed and firm on this. There is no possible reason to have a flat pinch roller rubber. Best CT On 12 September 2011 21:37, Yuri Regelman wrote: > For what its worth, all the used nakamichi pinch rollers that I came > across from dragon, cr-7, 581 do have a slight curve. I never had a > chance to inspect a brand new sample, and was not sure whether the > curve was part of the original design or developed over the decades of > wear and cleaning, so I thought I'd pose the question to a larger > group. Gerhard's photo of the brand new roller shows a curve that is > similar to the curve I've observed on my used rollers, which makes me > think that my rollers are probably not as worn as I thought they might > be. > > Nevertheless, it seems like there is a need to capture the exact > dimensions of the NOS parts, while they are still in existence, so > that we could have an option of having either Fred or Terry produce > replacements down the road. Terry mentioned to me that he does not > have factory specs for dragon rollers, while he does have factory > specs and drawings for rollers from many other decks. It seems like > there is a void to fill :) > > Yuri > > > > On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 12:36 AM, Guennadi Lyskine > wrote: > > > > > > Hi everyone, let me put my 2 cents regarding this discussion. > > > > Flat pinch rollers used on simple cheap transports with low > roller-capstan > > pressure designed for thin tapes like Sankyo transports in CRs. > > > > Any serious transport mechanism has more or less curved or stepped pinch > > roller. > > > > The radius of capstan + tape is longer than capstan radius only. > > > > If the sides of the roller touch capstan and the middle part of the > roller > > touches tape simultaneously, the roller slips on the capstan making > > squeaking noise and increased W&F. > > > > The thicker the tape the more noticeable noise and W&F. > > > > Professional Reel-to-Reel T-recorders with 50u tape have curved or > > step-machined pinch rollers. > > > > Working surface of those rollers touches tape only. > > > > Usually capstan is mat-finished to increase tape-capstan friction. > > > > 1/4" 6.25 mm tape rollers have 6.1 mm working surface. They should have > > sufficient pressure to drive tape. > > > > I hope this will help. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Gennady > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Gerhard Wartha > > To: Ron ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 8:26 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] dragon pinch roller surface flatness. > > Hi, Ron, > > Nakamichi did develop the CR- transport to make the transport smaller and > > cheaper. > > The most Decks of this time ( 1985) are made in Thailand or other > > countries. > > I think it was cheaper to fabricate a flat pinch roller than a ZX-pitch > > roller. > > If we look close to a cassette tape and his side ends, we will see this > ends > > will lift up a little, special if the tape gets pulled. > > The Idea for a curved roller is to work like an Iron. ( very little ) > > A flat roller, aligned not exact to the Capstans would pull the tape in > > one direction. > > A cur-fed roller not. The direction will by the tape guides ( plastic ) > > only, instead of the rubber. > > The function of the pinch roller is to pull the tape against the capstan > to > > get the capstan movements to the tape. > > The strait way for the tape to the heads will be made by the Cassette > > rollers ( Plastic )and the tape guides from the transport.( plastic) > > I think I have one NOS- CR- Roller, I will look at it too. > > We will not know why Nakamichi did make this rollers flat or cur-fed, if > we > > replace them we should do it like the Naka > > Engineers would do. Better we don´t change anything. > > Like we all know, they did know a lot! > > Kind regards > > G > > > > > > Am 11.09.2011 um 15:58 schrieb Ron: > > > > Gerhard, > > Thanks for taking the trouble to photograph your pinch roller. > > > > I don't have a classic transport pinch roller handy, but do have > > pinch rollers for MR-1 and CR-7 (both use the same Sankyo > > transport), all of which are original Nakamichi. I just checked > > those against a metal ruler and all were perfectly flat, all the > > way to the edge. This makes sense to me, as, Engineering wise, > > the goal is to apply equal pressure along the tape width, which > > a curved roller will not. > > > > Seems to me this discussion (controversy?) can be easily > > resolved by someone that has in his/her possession an original > > Dragon pinch roller in like-new condition. Anyone? > > -- Ron > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Gerhard Wartha > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 12:03 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] dragon pinch roller surface flatness. > > > > Hi, > > The original rollers from the classic transport (ZX, ZX-9 ) are not flat. > I > > would not make sense if the rollers, working in very similar transport > like > > DRAGON, would be flat. > > I my hand I ám holding a NOS pinch roller from NAKAMICHI 1000. Even this > > roller from 1975 is not flat. > > I did buy new rollers from a Naka repair shop in Japan for the ZX > transport. > > This new rollers made in 2004 are not flat. > > I hope it helps. > > See photo. > > regards. > > > > > > Am 10.09.2011 um 04:53 schrieb Christian Thomas: > > > > Hi Tom > > I'm not so sure about that. Whether or not they were crowned to begin > with, > > which I would guess they were, even if they look flat, I suspect they > ought > > to be. > > I have looked into this area for other reasons, not as a true expert but > as > > an enquirer and it is extraordinarily complex. Crowns can be absolutely > > tiny, as in tenths of a mm, but they do their job. The maths is fiendish > > and I guess that, like so many things, the so-called experts went by > rules > > of thumb. > > The virtue of centring is readily seen. And in the case of a pinch > roller, > > pressed up against, I presume, a straight roller, evenness of pressure > would > > come into play. My guess is that wouldn't be achieved with a flat > surface. > > In fact, I'm quite sure it wouldn't. The last place you want all the > > tugging is at the edges of the tape because that is where the effects and > > resultant movement would be greatest. > > I would hazard a guess that 2 to 3 tenths of a mm of crown would be about > > right. It certainly won't do any harm, though it may cost more to make. > > Can we find someone who has designed one of these things and who really > > knows? > > CT > > PS. What happened to my love, Julie? > > > > On 8 September 2011 22:14, Tom Brucker wrote: > > > > The rollers should be flat. I don't recall any deck that has crowned > > rollers. > > > > On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 1:48 AM, Yuri Regelman > wrote: > > > > Hi folks, > > Does anyone happen to know the exact dimensions of the Dragon rollers, > > and in particular the amount arc exhibited by the surface? I'm > > considering having the rollers rebuilt. My originals have a slight > > curve to them and I'd like to confirm that this is by design and is > > not a result of wear. > > Thanks, > > Yuri > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > -- > > Tom Brucker > > Hi Tech Service > > 2934 Nolensville Pike > > Nashville, TN USA > > 37220 > > hitech77 at earthlink.net > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > roller.jpg>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk Tue Sep 13 09:12:49 2011 From: mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk (Mercedes Benz) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 07:12:49 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300E distorting on left channel only on maximum output In-Reply-To: <1315856168.24971.YahooMailNeo@web130110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: , , , , <1315406528.35288.YahooMailNeo@web130103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, , , <1315512937.23341.YahooMailNeo@web130101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, , <1315856168.24971.YahooMailNeo@web130110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the suggestions Ron but none of the models you have suggested are available in the UK. So I am now thinking that since I have the headphone amp available, I can use a piece of shielded coaxial RG-58 cable to make the probe and see if it works. If it doesn't then I have no other choice but to build one myself from either a few available kits or some circuit diagrams available on a few diy websites. Kind regards Nadeem Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 12:36:08 -0700 From: ronami at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300E distorting on left channel only on maximum output To: naktalk at naks.com A headphone Amp + a shielded test lead will do, but will generally be limited to cases where the signal is at 'line level' (as in this case). You may wish to search for a vintage instrument, making sure that it's in good working order. Consider the EICO 150 (or 147A, the older 147 or even older 145), Heathkit IT-12 (or the older T-4 or T-3). Older units have a higher likelihood of problems, but are generally lower in cost. -- Ron From: Mercedes Benz To: NakTalk Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 12:18 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX-300E distorting on left channel only on maximum output Hi Ron, Thanks for the clarification. I don't have a signal tracer but would have to make one now that I need it. There are a few kits available here in the UK so I will have to get one assembled asap.Will a headphone Amp + a pair of modified DMM test leads work as a signal tracer or will the signal be too weak for the Amp? Kind regards Nadeem Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 13:15:37 -0700 From: ronami at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300E distorting on left channel only on maximum output To: mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk Nadeem, You need a signal tracer to perform the test I described (see quote below). A DMM won't be useful, because it shows a signal level, but not whether it's distorted. To use a signal tracer you simply touch the instrument probe tip to a circuit point and hear the signal present there through the tracer speaker. If you don't have a signal tracer, you can fashion one from an amplifier plus speaker. The combination has to be good enough so you'll be able to tell whether the sound is distorted by the deck. -- Ron From: Mercedes Benz To: ronami at yahoo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 1:24 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX-300E distorting on left channel only on maximum output Hi Ron, Thanks for your detailed reply. I was kind of hoping that it was the output control which was faulty but as you have described it could be anything.Just to be a bit clearer as I haven't done anything like this before, what should I be looking for when I test the output control top for a fault? Can I also use a DMM to trace the fault as I don't have a signal tracer? Kind regardsNadeem Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 07:42:08 -0700 From: ronami at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300E distorting on left channel only on maximum output To: naktalk at naks.com There exist a large number of causes for such a fault. Many of these can be difficult to locate, but very easy to fix, once located. As a first guess, I would suspect the circuitry between the output control and the deck output. There isn't that much of it. What I would do is play a tape and use a signal tracer to see whether the problem exists at the output control top (the 'top' is the outside lug that is not grounded). If not, I would follow the signal path to the deck output, changing volume and comparing to the right channel as I go along. If the problem does exist at the output control top, I would trace backward in a similar fashion. Once a point is found where the problem appears, it is usually a simple matter to determine the exact fault. -- Ron From: Mercedes Benz To: NakTalk Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 7:45 AM Subject: [naktalk] BX-300E distorting on left channel only on maximum output Hi everyone, Just acquired a BX-300E which works fine except that when I turn the output slider to max the sound distorts on the left channel. If I move the slider to number 6 position and turn the volume up on my amp instead then the sound is not distorted. I have also noticed that the left channel meter is always 1 or 2 db higher than the right channel when playing. I have cleaned the heads and demagnetised them. I have also thoroughly cleaned the output control using Deoxit but still get the same result. Can someone kindly let me know what might be the cause of this behaviour and how it can be fixed? Any help will be appreciated. Thanks & kind regards. 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URL: From davidt124 at internode.on.net Tue Sep 13 12:59:43 2011 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 20:59:43 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Rewind squeak Message-ID: Thanks Willy. It turned out to be the takeup reel hub. A touch of lubricant quietened it down. David >Message: 1 >Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 08:27:16 -0700 >From: Willy Hermann >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Rewind noise >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Message-ID: > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >Probably a slipping spooling idler tire. >Willy >On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 12:04 AM, David Thompson wrote: > What makes the rewind squeal? It is happening on any tape on one classic > deck but not another. > > David From ronami at yahoo.com Tue Sep 13 16:16:16 2011 From: ronami at yahoo.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 07:16:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] dragon pinch roller surface flatness. In-Reply-To: References: <1315749503.82570.YahooMailNeo@web130111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9C59FDB3-1E08-463E-831A-8110B8700F2C@gmail.com> <416F74A819054CCA8046B4F62A83AF79@emachinef0bb72> Message-ID: <1315923376.60599.YahooMailNeo@web130124.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > ... all the used nakamichi pinch rollers that I cameacross from dragon, cr-7, 581 do have a slight curve. Before giving up on this topic -- the other day I checked rollers from Sankyo DD transports (CR-7, MR-1) against a steel ruler and they were flat.  I guess that like many other high end audio topics, we all find what we expect to fund  :-). -- Ron >________________________________ >From: Yuri Regelman >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 4:37 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] dragon pinch roller surface flatness. > >For what its worth, all the used nakamichi pinch rollers that I came >across from dragon, cr-7, 581 do have a slight curve.  I never had a >chance to inspect a brand new sample, and was not sure whether the >curve was part of the original design or developed over the decades of >wear and cleaning, so I thought I'd pose the question to a larger >group.  Gerhard's photo of the brand new roller shows a curve that is >similar to the curve I've observed on my used rollers, which makes me >think that my rollers are probably not as worn as I thought they might >be. > >Nevertheless, it seems like there is a need to capture the exact >dimensions of the NOS parts, while they are still in existence, so >that we could have an option of having either Fred or Terry produce >replacements down the road.  Terry mentioned to me that he does not >have factory specs for dragon rollers, while he does have factory >specs and drawings for rollers from many other decks.  It seems like >there is a void to fill :) > >Yuri > > > >On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 12:36 AM, Guennadi Lyskine > wrote: >> >> >> Hi everyone, let me put my 2 cents regarding this discussion. >> >> Flat pinch rollers used on simple cheap transports with low roller-capstan >> pressure designed for thin tapes like Sankyo transports in CRs. >> >> Any serious transport mechanism has more or less curved or stepped pinch >> roller. >> >> The radius of capstan + tape is longer than capstan radius only. >> >> If the sides of the roller touch capstan and the middle part of the roller >> touches tape simultaneously, the roller slips on the capstan making >> squeaking noise and increased W&F. >> >> The thicker the tape the more noticeable noise and W&F. >> >> Professional Reel-to-Reel T-recorders with 50u tape have curved or >> step-machined pinch rollers. >> >>  Working surface of those rollers touches tape only. >> >>  Usually capstan is mat-finished to increase tape-capstan friction. >> >> 1/4" 6.25 mm tape rollers have 6.1 mm working surface. They should have >> sufficient pressure to drive tape. >> >> I hope this will help. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Gennady >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Gerhard Wartha >> To: Ron ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 8:26 AM >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] dragon pinch roller surface flatness. >> Hi, Ron, >> Nakamichi did develop the CR- transport to make the transport smaller and >> cheaper. >> The most Decks of this time ( 1985) are made in Thailand  or other >> countries. >> I think it was cheaper to fabricate a flat pinch roller than a ZX-pitch >> roller. >> If we look close to a cassette tape and his side ends, we will see this ends >> will lift up a little, special if the tape gets pulled. >> The Idea for a  curved roller is to work like an Iron. ( very little ) >> A  flat roller, aligned not exact  to the Capstans would pull the tape in >> one direction. >> A cur-fed roller not. The direction will by the tape guides ( plastic ) >> only, instead of the rubber. >> The function of the pinch roller is to pull the tape against the capstan to >> get the capstan movements to the tape. >> The strait way for the tape to the heads will be made by the Cassette >> rollers ( Plastic )and the tape guides from the transport.( plastic) >> I think I have one NOS- CR- Roller, I will look at it too. >> We will not know why  Nakamichi did make this rollers flat or cur-fed, if we >> replace them we should do it  like the Naka >> Engineers would do.  Better we don´t change anything. >> Like we all know, they did know a lot! >> Kind regards >> G >> >> >> Am 11.09.2011 um 15:58 schrieb Ron: >> >> Gerhard, >> Thanks for taking the trouble to photograph your pinch roller. >> >> I don't have a classic transport pinch roller handy, but do have >> pinch rollers for MR-1 and CR-7 (both use the same Sankyo >> transport), all of which are original Nakamichi. I just checked >> those against a metal ruler and all were perfectly flat, all the >> way to the edge. This makes sense to me, as, Engineering wise, >> the goal is to apply equal pressure along the tape width, which >> a curved roller will not. >> >> Seems to me this discussion (controversy?) can be easily >> resolved by someone that has in his/her possession an original >> Dragon pinch roller in like-new condition. Anyone? >> -- Ron >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Gerhard Wartha >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 12:03 PM >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] dragon pinch roller surface flatness. >> >> Hi, >> The original rollers from the classic transport (ZX, ZX-9 ) are not flat. I >> would not make sense if the rollers, working in  very similar transport like >> DRAGON, would  be flat. >> I my hand I ám holding a NOS pinch roller from NAKAMICHI 1000. Even this >>  roller  from 1975 is not flat. >> I did buy new rollers from a Naka repair shop in Japan for the ZX transport. >> This new rollers made in 2004 are not flat. >> I hope it helps. >> See photo. >> regards. >> >> >> Am 10.09.2011 um 04:53 schrieb Christian Thomas: >> >> Hi Tom >> I'm not so sure about that.  Whether or not they were crowned to begin with, >> which I would guess they were, even if they look flat, I suspect they ought >> to be. >> I have looked into this area for other reasons, not as a true expert but as >> an enquirer and it is extraordinarily complex.  Crowns can be absolutely >> tiny, as in tenths of a mm, but they do their job.  The maths is fiendish >> and I guess that, like so many things, the so-called experts went by rules >> of thumb. >> The virtue of centring is readily seen.  And in the case of a pinch roller, >> pressed up against, I presume, a straight roller, evenness of pressure would >> come into play.  My guess is that wouldn't be achieved with a flat surface. >>  In fact, I'm quite sure it wouldn't.  The last place you want all the >> tugging is at the edges of the tape because that is where the effects and >> resultant movement would be greatest. >> I would hazard a guess that 2 to 3 tenths of a mm of crown would be about >> right.  It certainly won't do any harm, though it may cost more to make. >>  Can we find someone who has designed one of these things and who really >> knows? >> CT >> PS.  What happened to my love, Julie? >> >> On 8 September 2011 22:14, Tom Brucker wrote: >> >> The rollers should be flat. I don't recall any deck that has crowned >> rollers. >> >> On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 1:48 AM, Yuri Regelman wrote: >> >> Hi folks, >> Does anyone happen to know the exact dimensions of the Dragon rollers, >> and in particular the amount arc exhibited by the surface?  I'm >> considering having the rollers rebuilt.  My originals have a slight >> curve to them and I'd like to confirm that this is by design and is >> not a result of wear. >> Thanks, >> Yuri >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> -- >> Tom Brucker >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Pike >> Nashville, TN USA >> 37220 >> hitech77 at earthlink.net >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > roller.jpg>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ________________________________ >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yregelman at gmail.com Tue Sep 13 20:09:31 2011 From: yregelman at gmail.com (Yuri Regelman) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 11:09:31 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] dragon pinch roller surface flatness. In-Reply-To: <1315923376.60599.YahooMailNeo@web130124.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <1315749503.82570.YahooMailNeo@web130111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9C59FDB3-1E08-463E-831A-8110B8700F2C@gmail.com> <416F74A819054CCA8046B4F62A83AF79@emachinef0bb72> <1315923376.60599.YahooMailNeo@web130124.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ron, There is definitely a lot of placebo going on in the realm of high end audio :) However, physical dimensions are easily and objectively measured. I'm hoping to find those precise measurements for new old stock parts so that we are able to replicate them when needed. I don't personally care if in the end the surface is flat or curved, as long as that is what Nakamichi's original design dictates. Empirically, I do buy into the curved surface "theory" more than into flat, since it matches my observations of the used parts, and the photo supplied by Gerhard of a brand new roller. I don't doubt that you have measured a flat surface on your samples, so it may all boil down to decades of wear, and the question remains: which samples show more wear and how did those parts measure when they were brand new? As for my measurements, I did both, the flat ruler test and caliper measurements. I still have the used 581 rollers and bx-125 sankyo roller out of the respective mechanisms, and I'd be happy to repeat the ruler test and take some photos. Thanks, Yuri On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 7:16 AM, Ron wrote: >> ... all the used nakamichi pinch rollers that I came across from dragon, >> cr-7, 581 do have a slight curve. > Before giving up on this topic -- the other day I checked rollers > from Sankyo DD transports (CR-7, MR-1) against a steel ruler > and they were flat. > I guess that like many other high end audio topics, we all find > what we expect to fund  :-). > -- Ron > > ________________________________ > From: Yuri Regelman > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 4:37 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] dragon pinch roller surface flatness. > > For what its worth, all the used nakamichi pinch rollers that I came > across from dragon, cr-7, 581 do have a slight curve.  I never had a > chance to inspect a brand new sample, and was not sure whether the > curve was part of the original design or developed over the decades of > wear and cleaning, so I thought I'd pose the question to a larger > group.  Gerhard's photo of the brand new roller shows a curve that is > similar to the curve I've observed on my used rollers, which makes me > think that my rollers are probably not as worn as I thought they might > be. > > Nevertheless, it seems like there is a need to capture the exact > dimensions of the NOS parts, while they are still in existence, so > that we could have an option of having either Fred or Terry produce > replacements down the road.  Terry mentioned to me that he does not > have factory specs for dragon rollers, while he does have factory > specs and drawings for rollers from many other decks.  It seems like > there is a void to fill :) > > Yuri > > > > On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 12:36 AM, Guennadi Lyskine > wrote: >> >> >> Hi everyone, let me put my 2 cents regarding this discussion. >> >> Flat pinch rollers used on simple cheap transports with low roller-capstan >> pressure designed for thin tapes like Sankyo transports in CRs. >> >> Any serious transport mechanism has more or less curved or stepped pinch >> roller. >> >> The radius of capstan + tape is longer than capstan radius only. >> >> If the sides of the roller touch capstan and the middle part of the roller >> touches tape simultaneously, the roller slips on the capstan making >> squeaking noise and increased W&F. >> >> The thicker the tape the more noticeable noise and W&F. >> >> Professional Reel-to-Reel T-recorders with 50u tape have curved or >> step-machined pinch rollers. >> >>  Working surface of those rollers touches tape only. >> >>  Usually capstan is mat-finished to increase tape-capstan friction. >> >> 1/4" 6.25 mm tape rollers have 6.1 mm working surface. They should have >> sufficient pressure to drive tape. >> >> I hope this will help. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Gennady >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Gerhard Wartha >> To: Ron ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 8:26 AM >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] dragon pinch roller surface flatness. >> Hi, Ron, >> Nakamichi did develop the CR- transport to make the transport smaller and >> cheaper. >> The most Decks of this time ( 1985) are made in Thailand  or other >> countries. >> I think it was cheaper to fabricate a flat pinch roller than a ZX-pitch >> roller. >> If we look close to a cassette tape and his side ends, we will see this >> ends >> will lift up a little, special if the tape gets pulled. >> The Idea for a  curved roller is to work like an Iron. ( very little ) >> A  flat roller, aligned not exact  to the Capstans would pull the tape in >> one direction. >> A cur-fed roller not. The direction will by the tape guides ( plastic ) >> only, instead of the rubber. >> The function of the pinch roller is to pull the tape against the capstan >> to >> get the capstan movements to the tape. >> The strait way for the tape to the heads will be made by the Cassette >> rollers ( Plastic )and the tape guides from the transport.( plastic) >> I think I have one NOS- CR- Roller, I will look at it too. >> We will not know why  Nakamichi did make this rollers flat or cur-fed, if >> we >> replace them we should do it  like the Naka >> Engineers would do.  Better we don´t change anything. >> Like we all know, they did know a lot! >> Kind regards >> G >> >> >> Am 11.09.2011 um 15:58 schrieb Ron: >> >> Gerhard, >> Thanks for taking the trouble to photograph your pinch roller. >> >> I don't have a classic transport pinch roller handy, but do have >> pinch rollers for MR-1 and CR-7 (both use the same Sankyo >> transport), all of which are original Nakamichi. I just checked >> those against a metal ruler and all were perfectly flat, all the >> way to the edge. This makes sense to me, as, Engineering wise, >> the goal is to apply equal pressure along the tape width, which >> a curved roller will not. >> >> Seems to me this discussion (controversy?) can be easily >> resolved by someone that has in his/her possession an original >> Dragon pinch roller in like-new condition. Anyone? >> -- Ron >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Gerhard Wartha >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 12:03 PM >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] dragon pinch roller surface flatness. >> >> Hi, >> The original rollers from the classic transport (ZX, ZX-9 ) are not flat. >> I >> would not make sense if the rollers, working in  very similar transport >> like >> DRAGON, would  be flat. >> I my hand I ám holding a NOS pinch roller from NAKAMICHI 1000. Even this >>  roller  from 1975 is not flat. >> I did buy new rollers from a Naka repair shop in Japan for the ZX >> transport. >> This new rollers made in 2004 are not flat. >> I hope it helps. >> See photo. >> regards. >> >> >> Am 10.09.2011 um 04:53 schrieb Christian Thomas: >> >> Hi Tom >> I'm not so sure about that.  Whether or not they were crowned to begin >> with, >> which I would guess they were, even if they look flat, I suspect they >> ought >> to be. >> I have looked into this area for other reasons, not as a true expert but >> as >> an enquirer and it is extraordinarily complex.  Crowns can be absolutely >> tiny, as in tenths of a mm, but they do their job.  The maths is fiendish >> and I guess that, like so many things, the so-called experts went by rules >> of thumb. >> The virtue of centring is readily seen.  And in the case of a pinch >> roller, >> pressed up against, I presume, a straight roller, evenness of pressure >> would >> come into play.  My guess is that wouldn't be achieved with a flat >> surface. >>  In fact, I'm quite sure it wouldn't.  The last place you want all the >> tugging is at the edges of the tape because that is where the effects and >> resultant movement would be greatest. >> I would hazard a guess that 2 to 3 tenths of a mm of crown would be about >> right.  It certainly won't do any harm, though it may cost more to make. >>  Can we find someone who has designed one of these things and who really >> knows? >> CT >> PS.  What happened to my love, Julie? >> >> On 8 September 2011 22:14, Tom Brucker wrote: >> >> The rollers should be flat. I don't recall any deck that has crowned >> rollers. >> >> On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 1:48 AM, Yuri Regelman >> wrote: >> >> Hi folks, >> Does anyone happen to know the exact dimensions of the Dragon rollers, >> and in particular the amount arc exhibited by the surface?  I'm >> considering having the rollers rebuilt.  My originals have a slight >> curve to them and I'd like to confirm that this is by design and is >> not a result of wear. >> Thanks, >> Yuri >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> -- >> Tom Brucker >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Pike >> Nashville, TN USA >> 37220 >> hitech77 at earthlink.net >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > >> roller.jpg>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ________________________________ >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From perry.nak at comcast.net Wed Sep 14 13:46:12 2011 From: perry.nak at comcast.net (perry.nak at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 11:46:12 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Rewind squeak Message-ID: <201319351-1316000779-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-790707089-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry> FWIW, rewind squeak on a classic deck is also often the reel table shaft needing lube. It's more a screech - fingernails on blackboard kind of sound than a squeak. You can pop the triangular cap off the end of the take up reel shaft and slide the top half of the spindle off and put a single drop of sewing machine oil on the shaft with the deck on its rear, so the oil will run towards the base near the felt clutch, and cure it. Be careful to align the 3 prongs into their slots, not next to them. To verify if it is the reel shaft just lightly touch the rotating spindle while in rewind and if the screech pitch changes or goes away then that is likely it. Perry Esposito - From my phone From nakdoc77 at gmail.com Sat Sep 17 00:41:29 2011 From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com (Tom Brucker) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 17:41:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] dragon pinch roller surface flatness. In-Reply-To: References: <1315749503.82570.YahooMailNeo@web130111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9C59FDB3-1E08-463E-831A-8110B8700F2C@gmail.com> <416F74A819054CCA8046B4F62A83AF79@emachinef0bb72> <1315923376.60599.YahooMailNeo@web130124.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Everyone should remember that Nakamichi engineers were aware of seemingly all the variables in cassette design. You have to give them credit for solving so many problems as early as 1972! The engineers were most concerned about tape skew. I'm 100% sure that the best pinch roller design is matched to the appropriate single or dual capstan deck, 2 head or 3 head, pad lifter or conventional guide. Each design variable dictates which type of roller, flat or crowned, will give the least skew. I think the answer may well be that both exist, but should not be interchanged. We are so lucky that the rubber roller seem to last forever! tom brucker On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 1:09 PM, Yuri Regelman wrote: > Ron, > There is definitely a lot of placebo going on in the realm of high end > audio :) However, physical dimensions are easily and objectively > measured. I'm hoping to find those precise measurements for new old > stock parts so that we are able to replicate them when needed. I > don't personally care if in the end the surface is flat or curved, as > long as that is what Nakamichi's original design dictates. > Empirically, I do buy into the curved surface "theory" more than into > flat, since it matches my observations of the used parts, and the > photo supplied by Gerhard of a brand new roller. I don't doubt that > you have measured a flat surface on your samples, so it may all boil > down to decades of wear, and the question remains: which samples show > more wear and how did those parts measure when they were brand new? > > As for my measurements, I did both, the flat ruler test and caliper > measurements. I still have the used 581 rollers and bx-125 sankyo > roller out of the respective mechanisms, and I'd be happy to repeat > the ruler test and take some photos. > Thanks, > Yuri > > On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 7:16 AM, Ron wrote: > >> ... all the used nakamichi pinch rollers that I came across from dragon, > >> cr-7, 581 do have a slight curve. > > Before giving up on this topic -- the other day I checked rollers > > from Sankyo DD transports (CR-7, MR-1) against a steel ruler > > and they were flat. > > I guess that like many other high end audio topics, we all find > > what we expect to fund :-). > > -- Ron > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Yuri Regelman > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 4:37 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] dragon pinch roller surface flatness. > > > > For what its worth, all the used nakamichi pinch rollers that I came > > across from dragon, cr-7, 581 do have a slight curve. I never had a > > chance to inspect a brand new sample, and was not sure whether the > > curve was part of the original design or developed over the decades of > > wear and cleaning, so I thought I'd pose the question to a larger > > group. Gerhard's photo of the brand new roller shows a curve that is > > similar to the curve I've observed on my used rollers, which makes me > > think that my rollers are probably not as worn as I thought they might > > be. > > > > Nevertheless, it seems like there is a need to capture the exact > > dimensions of the NOS parts, while they are still in existence, so > > that we could have an option of having either Fred or Terry produce > > replacements down the road. Terry mentioned to me that he does not > > have factory specs for dragon rollers, while he does have factory > > specs and drawings for rollers from many other decks. It seems like > > there is a void to fill :) > > > > Yuri > > > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 12:36 AM, Guennadi Lyskine > > wrote: > >> > >> > >> Hi everyone, let me put my 2 cents regarding this discussion. > >> > >> Flat pinch rollers used on simple cheap transports with low > roller-capstan > >> pressure designed for thin tapes like Sankyo transports in CRs. > >> > >> Any serious transport mechanism has more or less curved or stepped pinch > >> roller. > >> > >> The radius of capstan + tape is longer than capstan radius only. > >> > >> If the sides of the roller touch capstan and the middle part of the > roller > >> touches tape simultaneously, the roller slips on the capstan making > >> squeaking noise and increased W&F. > >> > >> The thicker the tape the more noticeable noise and W&F. > >> > >> Professional Reel-to-Reel T-recorders with 50u tape have curved or > >> step-machined pinch rollers. > >> > >> Working surface of those rollers touches tape only. > >> > >> Usually capstan is mat-finished to increase tape-capstan friction. > >> > >> 1/4" 6.25 mm tape rollers have 6.1 mm working surface. They should have > >> sufficient pressure to drive tape. > >> > >> I hope this will help. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> > >> Gennady > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Gerhard Wartha > >> To: Ron ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 8:26 AM > >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] dragon pinch roller surface flatness. > >> Hi, Ron, > >> Nakamichi did develop the CR- transport to make the transport smaller > and > >> cheaper. > >> The most Decks of this time ( 1985) are made in Thailand or other > >> countries. > >> I think it was cheaper to fabricate a flat pinch roller than a ZX-pitch > >> roller. > >> If we look close to a cassette tape and his side ends, we will see this > >> ends > >> will lift up a little, special if the tape gets pulled. > >> The Idea for a curved roller is to work like an Iron. ( very little ) > >> A flat roller, aligned not exact to the Capstans would pull the tape > in > >> one direction. > >> A cur-fed roller not. The direction will by the tape guides ( plastic ) > >> only, instead of the rubber. > >> The function of the pinch roller is to pull the tape against the capstan > >> to > >> get the capstan movements to the tape. > >> The strait way for the tape to the heads will be made by the Cassette > >> rollers ( Plastic )and the tape guides from the transport.( plastic) > >> I think I have one NOS- CR- Roller, I will look at it too. > >> We will not know why Nakamichi did make this rollers flat or cur-fed, > if > >> we > >> replace them we should do it like the Naka > >> Engineers would do. Better we don´t change anything. > >> Like we all know, they did know a lot! > >> Kind regards > >> G > >> > >> > >> Am 11.09.2011 um 15:58 schrieb Ron: > >> > >> Gerhard, > >> Thanks for taking the trouble to photograph your pinch roller. > >> > >> I don't have a classic transport pinch roller handy, but do have > >> pinch rollers for MR-1 and CR-7 (both use the same Sankyo > >> transport), all of which are original Nakamichi. I just checked > >> those against a metal ruler and all were perfectly flat, all the > >> way to the edge. This makes sense to me, as, Engineering wise, > >> the goal is to apply equal pressure along the tape width, which > >> a curved roller will not. > >> > >> Seems to me this discussion (controversy?) can be easily > >> resolved by someone that has in his/her possession an original > >> Dragon pinch roller in like-new condition. Anyone? > >> -- Ron > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> From: Gerhard Wartha > >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 12:03 PM > >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] dragon pinch roller surface flatness. > >> > >> Hi, > >> The original rollers from the classic transport (ZX, ZX-9 ) are not > flat. > >> I > >> would not make sense if the rollers, working in very similar transport > >> like > >> DRAGON, would be flat. > >> I my hand I ám holding a NOS pinch roller from NAKAMICHI 1000. Even this > >> roller from 1975 is not flat. > >> I did buy new rollers from a Naka repair shop in Japan for the ZX > >> transport. > >> This new rollers made in 2004 are not flat. > >> I hope it helps. > >> See photo. > >> regards. > >> > >> > >> Am 10.09.2011 um 04:53 schrieb Christian Thomas: > >> > >> Hi Tom > >> I'm not so sure about that. Whether or not they were crowned to begin > >> with, > >> which I would guess they were, even if they look flat, I suspect they > >> ought > >> to be. > >> I have looked into this area for other reasons, not as a true expert but > >> as > >> an enquirer and it is extraordinarily complex. Crowns can be absolutely > >> tiny, as in tenths of a mm, but they do their job. The maths is > fiendish > >> and I guess that, like so many things, the so-called experts went by > rules > >> of thumb. > >> The virtue of centring is readily seen. And in the case of a pinch > >> roller, > >> pressed up against, I presume, a straight roller, evenness of pressure > >> would > >> come into play. My guess is that wouldn't be achieved with a flat > >> surface. > >> In fact, I'm quite sure it wouldn't. The last place you want all the > >> tugging is at the edges of the tape because that is where the effects > and > >> resultant movement would be greatest. > >> I would hazard a guess that 2 to 3 tenths of a mm of crown would be > about > >> right. It certainly won't do any harm, though it may cost more to make. > >> Can we find someone who has designed one of these things and who really > >> knows? > >> CT > >> PS. What happened to my love, Julie? > >> > >> On 8 September 2011 22:14, Tom Brucker wrote: > >> > >> The rollers should be flat. I don't recall any deck that has crowned > >> rollers. > >> > >> On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 1:48 AM, Yuri Regelman > >> wrote: > >> > >> Hi folks, > >> Does anyone happen to know the exact dimensions of the Dragon rollers, > >> and in particular the amount arc exhibited by the surface? I'm > >> considering having the rollers rebuilt. My originals have a slight > >> curve to them and I'd like to confirm that this is by design and is > >> not a result of wear. > >> Thanks, > >> Yuri > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Tom Brucker > >> Hi Tech Service > >> 2934 Nolensville Pike > >> Nashville, TN USA > >> 37220 > >> hitech77 at earthlink.net > >> > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > >> >> > >> > roller.jpg>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Tom Brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Pike Nashville, TN USA 37220 hitech77 at earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nakdoc77 at gmail.com Sat Sep 17 00:42:41 2011 From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com (Tom Brucker) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 17:42:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 700ZXE recording In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bala has moved? Wow. I need his email if you have it, please. tom brucker On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 5:38 AM, David Thompson wrote: > Tom > > Thanks for your response to my old message. > I replaced those caps too - the only ones I could get were goldplated ones > from the US. The deck is now with Bala in Brisbane who I hope is sorting it > out. > > David > > > >From: Tom Brucker > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700ZXE recording noise > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Message-ID: > > > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > >Is it low frequency rushing noise? If so, the small value orange caps on > the > >dolby board cause this, so perhaps your new parts are bad? > > >tom brucker > > >On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 12:59 AM, David Thompson > >wrote: > > > Can anyone suggest a reason for noisy recording on a 700ZX-E? > > I have replaced all orange caps and some transistors on the bias > oscillator > > pcb. > > > > David > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Tom Brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Pike Nashville, TN USA 37220 hitech77 at earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nakdoc77 at gmail.com Sat Sep 17 00:47:41 2011 From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com (Tom Brucker) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 17:47:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Broken Erase Head In-Reply-To: <8A4FC230-3A65-4A69-A525-0B0DAD9CB6EC@gmail.com> References: <8A4FC230-3A65-4A69-A525-0B0DAD9CB6EC@gmail.com> Message-ID: The fork is the tape guide. I believe an erase head from any Sankyo deck mechanism (BX1) will replace yours. There is a height alignment but you may get lucky and be able to drop a new head in with no alignment. An 'open cassette" or "mirror cassette will be useful for a check of the alignment. The squeak may be a bit of plastic from the broken guide, and it might crease a tape, so look at it with a magnifier before playing more tapes. tom brucker On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 1:33 AM, Sheldon Trewin wrote: > Hello all. I have a Cassette Deck 2, made in Japan, 1991, in AMAZING shape. > > > I was cleaning the heads the other day when a piece of plastic on the left > of the erase head broke, and the metal "fork" broke off (don't know the > technical term for it, sorry!) HOW could this have happened? Also, is the > only way to fix it to install a new erase head? > > It doesn't seem to affect playback or recording, but I DO notice a very > faint squeaking noise coming from that area now when tapes are being played > back. Just wondering if this is bad to play tapes without that piece in > place. > > I will try and attach a picture as well. > > Thanks! > > Sheldon > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Tom Brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Pike Nashville, TN USA 37220 hitech77 at earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nakdoc77 at gmail.com Sat Sep 17 00:49:09 2011 From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com (Tom Brucker) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 17:49:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL In-Reply-To: References: <003c01cc5f58$c8fa4f30$5aeeed90$@math.utah.edu> <1314195887.79686.YahooMailNeo@web130123.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1314198767.91705.YahooMailRC@web80202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thank you! I got a phone call from a Tennessee Nak collector about the LTD in london... tom brucker On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 1:34 AM, george valkov wrote: > I am on the case with the UK listing and will let you know what happens. > > > On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 10:12 PM, Tom Brucker wrote: > >> Tom Mageras won a $7000 auction for a Ltd. that was supposed to be in >> Spain. He sent the money (check) and the deck never arrived. The $3,000 >> deck and spare parts is a different deck. Vic, I know you know of a ZXL that >> is a LTD inside..... >> >> Anyway, I am posting because Tom Mageras' 1000ZXL Ltd has appeared on >> London Craigslist! >> http://london.craigslist.co.uk/ele/2577499590.html >> Are any of our UK friends willing to try and get a real address for the >> seller? The photos and description are an exact match for the eBay >> scammer. One problem Tom is facing is he cannot identify which country the >> deck is actually in order to file a police report. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Fergus Cullen wrote: >> >>> How did you pay? If it was by Paypal you can get a full refund no problem >>> as it was not as described. >>> >>> Fergus >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 4:12 PM, LENA WONG wrote: >>> >>>> He can request a full refund including shipping cost from the >>>> seller if it is true that the item is not as described (which is obviously >>>> not in this case). >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From:* Ron >>>> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> *Sent:* Wed, August 24, 2011 9:24:47 AM >>>> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL >>>> >>>> > Our friend Tom was taken on the Limited he won. It looked >>>> legitimate! >>>> >>>> I feel for Tom, but I seriously doubted it was legit. >>>> >>>> > Did anyone notice it was missing the Limited cassette well back plate? >>>> >>>> That was a clear giveaway, not to mention the obviously incorrect >>>> rear panel. I did miss the serial number, though. >>>> >>>> -- Ron >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From:* Victor Gabrenas >>>> *To:* 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' >>>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 20, 2011 12:47 PM >>>> *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] 1000ZXL >>>> >>>> Our friend Tom was taken on the Limited he won. It looked legitimate! >>>> What a shame! >>>> >>>> Did anyone notice it was missing the Limited cassette well back plate? >>>> >>>> >>>> Vic >>>> >>>> *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On >>>> Behalf Of *Willy Hermann >>>> *Sent:* Friday, August 19, 2011 9:18 PM >>>> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> *Subject:* [naktalk] 1000ZXL >>>> >>>> I fear someone just got burned on that eBay auction - paying over $3,000 >>>> for a non working 1000ZXL. You could tell from the serial number (starting >>>> with A117) that the machine was not a limited. The limited serial number >>>> starts with A110. This looked like a 1000ZXL which someone had tried to >>>> make look like a 1000ZXL Limited and had in the process managed to blow it >>>> up in some way. A gold face plate does NOT a 1000ZXL Limited make! >>>> >>>> Willy >>>> >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: >>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: >>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Fergus >>> >>> New limited CD release from the Japanese underground here: >>> http://anmailorder.wordpress.com/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Tom Brucker >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Pike >> Nashville, TN USA >> 37220 >> hitech77 at earthlink.net >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > > -- > "Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals > built the Titanic." > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Tom Brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Pike Nashville, TN USA 37220 hitech77 at earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nakdoc77 at gmail.com Sat Sep 17 00:54:15 2011 From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com (Tom Brucker) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 17:54:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL Limited face plate? In-Reply-To: <000601cc5dd9$c7a138e0$56e3aaa0$@math.utah.edu> References: <000601cc5dd9$c7a138e0$56e3aaa0$@math.utah.edu> Message-ID: I haven't heard who bought the eBay deck. I hope they did get Limited insides. What a horror if 2 decks were switched at birth! In the old days we could call Nak with a serial number and they'd tell us who the dealer was. I caught a $30,000 robber who stole 3 decks in Florida and brought them to Nashville. When he came in with his 1000II and asked for service, he put the deck on the floor. I said to myself "this man did not pay for this deck!", call Nak, and then the dealer. The guy was busted immediately. tom brucker On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 2:05 PM, Victor Gabrenas wrote: > Anyone know the story on this item on ebay? > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260837112446&ssPageName=A > DME:B:SS:US:1123 > > I might have the insides of this machine. > > > Vic > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Tom Brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Pike Nashville, TN USA 37220 hitech77 at earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nakdoc77 at gmail.com Sat Sep 17 00:56:55 2011 From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com (Tom Brucker) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 17:56:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Power Problem In-Reply-To: References: <5320BBE536C44803939634C10E4EF758@surdokmdnb> <00a001cc56cf$e4e45510$aeacff30$@net> Message-ID: Ural, Remove the top cover, loosen the 2 screws on the power switch mount bracket, and change the position of the bracket towards the front. That may solve your strange problem. tom brucker On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Ural Durusu wrote: > ** > Thank you for all. I will take the deck to a service shop ask them to make > necessary measurements which are mentioned here. > > Regards, > > Ural > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Adrian Mechner > *To:* 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:06 PM > *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] Dragon Power Problem > > In my opinion as an engineer, even so I don’t know about this > particularly heat protection, I would do this:**** > > The heat protections which click usually are bimetal ones. That means it’s > a reaction of the material it’s made of. The malfunction in time is called > material fatigue. This can generate different values at which it shuts off > (reacts to heat). No big deal; I would simply eliminate it since I know my > deck works just fine.**** > > On the other hand, if the protection works fine, the must be suddenly a > heat source... This would mean that some part is starting to heat up (very > common for this decks). I would try first of all to find the heat source and > go from there.**** > > If you say that the all around temperature is normal, I would eliminate the > protection or find a replacement.**** > > Take care,**** > > Adrian **** > > ** ** > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *Ural Durusu > *Sent:* Sunday, August 07, 2011 6:24 AM > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Subject:* [naktalk] Dragon Power Problem**** > > ** ** > > Hello, Is there a thermal interlock at the power switch? When the deck is > warm after one ore more playback hours, if I power off then power on, power > switch does not click and lock. It locks after the deck is cooled down. I ve > opened the top cover and blew air on to the power switch board and instantly > lock the power switch. 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URL: From nakdoc77 at gmail.com Sat Sep 17 01:03:20 2011 From: nakdoc77 at gmail.com (Tom Brucker) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 18:03:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Rewind squeak In-Reply-To: <201319351-1316000779-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-790707089-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry> References: <201319351-1316000779-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-790707089-@b25.c16.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: It can also be a hardened or worn idler tire. tom brucker On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 6:46 AM, wrote: > FWIW, rewind squeak on a classic deck is also often the reel table shaft > needing lube. It's more a screech - fingernails on blackboard kind of sound > than a squeak. You can pop the triangular cap off the end of the take up > reel shaft and slide the top half of the spindle off and put a single drop > of sewing machine oil on the shaft with the deck on its rear, so the oil > will run towards the base near the felt clutch, and cure it. Be careful to > align the 3 prongs into their slots, not next to them. To verify if it is > the reel shaft just lightly touch the rotating spindle while in rewind and > if the screech pitch changes or goes away then that is likely it. > Perry Esposito - From my phone > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Tom Brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Pike Nashville, TN USA 37220 hitech77 at earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 17 02:57:23 2011 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (Ram Ramachandran) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 20:57:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 700ZXE recording In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Another one bites the dust! So sad! Ram Sent from my iPad On Sep 16, 2011, at 6:42 PM, Tom Brucker wrote: > Bala has moved? Wow. I need his email if you have it, please. > > tom brucker > > On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 5:38 AM, David Thompson wrote: > Tom > > Thanks for your response to my old message. > I replaced those caps too - the only ones I could get were goldplated ones > from the US. The deck is now with Bala in Brisbane who I hope is sorting it > out. > > David > > > >From: Tom Brucker > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700ZXE recording noise > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Message-ID: > > > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > >Is it low frequency rushing noise? If so, the small value orange caps on the > >dolby board cause this, so perhaps your new parts are bad? > > >tom brucker > > >On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 12:59 AM, David Thompson > >wrote: > > > Can anyone suggest a reason for noisy recording on a 700ZX-E? > > I have replaced all orange caps and some transistors on the bias oscillator > > pcb. > > > > David > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > -- > Tom Brucker > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Pike > Nashville, TN USA > 37220 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 17 03:00:36 2011 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (Ram Ramachandran) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 21:00:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] dragon pinch roller surface flatness. In-Reply-To: References: <1315749503.82570.YahooMailNeo@web130111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9C59FDB3-1E08-463E-831A-8110B8700F2C@gmail.com> <416F74A819054CCA8046B4F62A83AF79@emachinef0bb72> <1315923376.60599.YahooMailNeo@web130124.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I am addressing this to Jeff Galin of ESL and Willy Hermann to clarify this flatness or contour of the pinch rollers, at least on Naks. Please settle this issue once and for all so we can have closure on this important matter ? I am sure you both have seem them all. Thanks Ram On Sep 16, 2011, at 6:41 PM, Tom Brucker wrote: > Everyone should remember that Nakamichi engineers were aware of seemingly all the variables in cassette design. You have to give them credit for solving so many problems as early as 1972! The engineers were most concerned about tape skew. I'm 100% sure that the best pinch roller design is matched to the appropriate single or dual capstan deck, 2 head or 3 head, pad lifter or conventional guide. Each design variable dictates which type of roller, flat or crowned, will give the least skew. I think the answer may well be that both exist, but should not be interchanged. We are so lucky that the rubber roller seem to last forever! > > tom brucker > > On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 1:09 PM, Yuri Regelman wrote: > Ron, > There is definitely a lot of placebo going on in the realm of high end > audio :) However, physical dimensions are easily and objectively > measured. I'm hoping to find those precise measurements for new old > stock parts so that we are able to replicate them when needed. I > don't personally care if in the end the surface is flat or curved, as > long as that is what Nakamichi's original design dictates. > Empirically, I do buy into the curved surface "theory" more than into > flat, since it matches my observations of the used parts, and the > photo supplied by Gerhard of a brand new roller. I don't doubt that > you have measured a flat surface on your samples, so it may all boil > down to decades of wear, and the question remains: which samples show > more wear and how did those parts measure when they were brand new? > > As for my measurements, I did both, the flat ruler test and caliper > measurements. I still have the used 581 rollers and bx-125 sankyo > roller out of the respective mechanisms, and I'd be happy to repeat > the ruler test and take some photos. > Thanks, > Yuri > > On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 7:16 AM, Ron wrote: > >> ... all the used nakamichi pinch rollers that I came across from dragon, > >> cr-7, 581 do have a slight curve. > > Before giving up on this topic -- the other day I checked rollers > > from Sankyo DD transports (CR-7, MR-1) against a steel ruler > > and they were flat. > > I guess that like many other high end audio topics, we all find > > what we expect to fund :-). > > -- Ron > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Yuri Regelman > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 4:37 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] dragon pinch roller surface flatness. > > > > For what its worth, all the used nakamichi pinch rollers that I came > > across from dragon, cr-7, 581 do have a slight curve. I never had a > > chance to inspect a brand new sample, and was not sure whether the > > curve was part of the original design or developed over the decades of > > wear and cleaning, so I thought I'd pose the question to a larger > > group. Gerhard's photo of the brand new roller shows a curve that is > > similar to the curve I've observed on my used rollers, which makes me > > think that my rollers are probably not as worn as I thought they might > > be. > > > > Nevertheless, it seems like there is a need to capture the exact > > dimensions of the NOS parts, while they are still in existence, so > > that we could have an option of having either Fred or Terry produce > > replacements down the road. Terry mentioned to me that he does not > > have factory specs for dragon rollers, while he does have factory > > specs and drawings for rollers from many other decks. It seems like > > there is a void to fill :) > > > > Yuri > > > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 12:36 AM, Guennadi Lyskine > > wrote: > >> > >> > >> Hi everyone, let me put my 2 cents regarding this discussion. > >> > >> Flat pinch rollers used on simple cheap transports with low roller-capstan > >> pressure designed for thin tapes like Sankyo transports in CRs. > >> > >> Any serious transport mechanism has more or less curved or stepped pinch > >> roller. > >> > >> The radius of capstan + tape is longer than capstan radius only. > >> > >> If the sides of the roller touch capstan and the middle part of the roller > >> touches tape simultaneously, the roller slips on the capstan making > >> squeaking noise and increased W&F. > >> > >> The thicker the tape the more noticeable noise and W&F. > >> > >> Professional Reel-to-Reel T-recorders with 50u tape have curved or > >> step-machined pinch rollers. > >> > >> Working surface of those rollers touches tape only. > >> > >> Usually capstan is mat-finished to increase tape-capstan friction. > >> > >> 1/4" 6.25 mm tape rollers have 6.1 mm working surface. They should have > >> sufficient pressure to drive tape. > >> > >> I hope this will help. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> > >> Gennady > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Gerhard Wartha > >> To: Ron ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 8:26 AM > >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] dragon pinch roller surface flatness. > >> Hi, Ron, > >> Nakamichi did develop the CR- transport to make the transport smaller and > >> cheaper. > >> The most Decks of this time ( 1985) are made in Thailand or other > >> countries. > >> I think it was cheaper to fabricate a flat pinch roller than a ZX-pitch > >> roller. > >> If we look close to a cassette tape and his side ends, we will see this > >> ends > >> will lift up a little, special if the tape gets pulled. > >> The Idea for a curved roller is to work like an Iron. ( very little ) > >> A flat roller, aligned not exact to the Capstans would pull the tape in > >> one direction. > >> A cur-fed roller not. The direction will by the tape guides ( plastic ) > >> only, instead of the rubber. > >> The function of the pinch roller is to pull the tape against the capstan > >> to > >> get the capstan movements to the tape. > >> The strait way for the tape to the heads will be made by the Cassette > >> rollers ( Plastic )and the tape guides from the transport.( plastic) > >> I think I have one NOS- CR- Roller, I will look at it too. > >> We will not know why Nakamichi did make this rollers flat or cur-fed, if > >> we > >> replace them we should do it like the Naka > >> Engineers would do. Better we don´t change anything. > >> Like we all know, they did know a lot! > >> Kind regards > >> G > >> > >> > >> Am 11.09.2011 um 15:58 schrieb Ron: > >> > >> Gerhard, > >> Thanks for taking the trouble to photograph your pinch roller. > >> > >> I don't have a classic transport pinch roller handy, but do have > >> pinch rollers for MR-1 and CR-7 (both use the same Sankyo > >> transport), all of which are original Nakamichi. I just checked > >> those against a metal ruler and all were perfectly flat, all the > >> way to the edge. This makes sense to me, as, Engineering wise, > >> the goal is to apply equal pressure along the tape width, which > >> a curved roller will not. > >> > >> Seems to me this discussion (controversy?) can be easily > >> resolved by someone that has in his/her possession an original > >> Dragon pinch roller in like-new condition. Anyone? > >> -- Ron > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> From: Gerhard Wartha > >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 12:03 PM > >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] dragon pinch roller surface flatness. > >> > >> Hi, > >> The original rollers from the classic transport (ZX, ZX-9 ) are not flat. > >> I > >> would not make sense if the rollers, working in very similar transport > >> like > >> DRAGON, would be flat. > >> I my hand I ám holding a NOS pinch roller from NAKAMICHI 1000. Even this > >> roller from 1975 is not flat. > >> I did buy new rollers from a Naka repair shop in Japan for the ZX > >> transport. > >> This new rollers made in 2004 are not flat. > >> I hope it helps. > >> See photo. > >> regards. > >> > >> > >> Am 10.09.2011 um 04:53 schrieb Christian Thomas: > >> > >> Hi Tom > >> I'm not so sure about that. Whether or not they were crowned to begin > >> with, > >> which I would guess they were, even if they look flat, I suspect they > >> ought > >> to be. > >> I have looked into this area for other reasons, not as a true expert but > >> as > >> an enquirer and it is extraordinarily complex. Crowns can be absolutely > >> tiny, as in tenths of a mm, but they do their job. The maths is fiendish > >> and I guess that, like so many things, the so-called experts went by rules > >> of thumb. > >> The virtue of centring is readily seen. And in the case of a pinch > >> roller, > >> pressed up against, I presume, a straight roller, evenness of pressure > >> would > >> come into play. My guess is that wouldn't be achieved with a flat > >> surface. > >> In fact, I'm quite sure it wouldn't. The last place you want all the > >> tugging is at the edges of the tape because that is where the effects and > >> resultant movement would be greatest. > >> I would hazard a guess that 2 to 3 tenths of a mm of crown would be about > >> right. It certainly won't do any harm, though it may cost more to make. > >> Can we find someone who has designed one of these things and who really > >> knows? > >> CT > >> PS. What happened to my love, Julie? > >> > >> On 8 September 2011 22:14, Tom Brucker wrote: > >> > >> The rollers should be flat. I don't recall any deck that has crowned > >> rollers. > >> > >> On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 1:48 AM, Yuri Regelman > >> wrote: > >> > >> Hi folks, > >> Does anyone happen to know the exact dimensions of the Dragon rollers, > >> and in particular the amount arc exhibited by the surface? I'm > >> considering having the rollers rebuilt. My originals have a slight > >> curve to them and I'd like to confirm that this is by design and is > >> not a result of wear. > >> Thanks, > >> Yuri > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Tom Brucker > >> Hi Tech Service > >> 2934 Nolensville Pike > >> Nashville, TN USA > >> 37220 > >> hitech77 at earthlink.net > >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > >> >> > >> roller.jpg>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Also check out the wiki! 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URL: From ct.waveform at googlemail.com Sat Sep 17 03:56:05 2011 From: ct.waveform at googlemail.com (Christian Thomas) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 02:56:05 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL In-Reply-To: References: <003c01cc5f58$c8fa4f30$5aeeed90$@math.utah.edu> <1314195887.79686.YahooMailNeo@web130123.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1314198767.91705.YahooMailRC@web80202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Guys Don't know if it's important but I have Gmail flashing that the last 4 posts, up to Tom B at 23.49 "May not have been sent by their senders." Haven't ever seen this before - hacked thread or mail, perhaps. If someone is IT savvy it may be worth checking - or taking the convos private. Christian On 16 September 2011 23:49, Tom Brucker wrote: > Thank you! I got a phone call from a Tennessee Nak collector about the LTD > in london... > > tom brucker > > On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 1:34 AM, george valkov wrote: > >> I am on the case with the UK listing and will let you know what happens. >> >> >> On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 10:12 PM, Tom Brucker wrote: >> >>> Tom Mageras won a $7000 auction for a Ltd. that was supposed to be in >>> Spain. He sent the money (check) and the deck never arrived. The $3,000 >>> deck and spare parts is a different deck. Vic, I know you know of a ZXL that >>> is a LTD inside..... >>> >>> Anyway, I am posting because Tom Mageras' 1000ZXL Ltd has appeared on >>> London Craigslist! >>> http://london.craigslist.co.uk/ele/2577499590.html >>> Are any of our UK friends willing to try and get a real address for the >>> seller? The photos and description are an exact match for the eBay >>> scammer. One problem Tom is facing is he cannot identify which country the >>> deck is actually in order to file a police report. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Fergus Cullen >> > wrote: >>> >>>> How did you pay? If it was by Paypal you can get a full refund no >>>> problem as it was not as described. >>>> >>>> Fergus >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 4:12 PM, LENA WONG wrote: >>>> >>>>> He can request a full refund including shipping cost from the >>>>> seller if it is true that the item is not as described (which is obviously >>>>> not in this case). >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> *From:* Ron >>>>> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>> *Sent:* Wed, August 24, 2011 9:24:47 AM >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL >>>>> >>>>> > Our friend Tom was taken on the Limited he won. It looked >>>>> legitimate! >>>>> >>>>> I feel for Tom, but I seriously doubted it was legit. >>>>> >>>>> > Did anyone notice it was missing the Limited cassette well back >>>>> plate? >>>>> >>>>> That was a clear giveaway, not to mention the obviously incorrect >>>>> rear panel. I did miss the serial number, though. >>>>> >>>>> -- Ron >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> *From:* Victor Gabrenas >>>>> *To:* 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' >>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 20, 2011 12:47 PM >>>>> *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] 1000ZXL >>>>> >>>>> Our friend Tom was taken on the Limited he won. It looked legitimate! >>>>> What a shame! >>>>> >>>>> Did anyone notice it was missing the Limited cassette well back plate? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Vic >>>>> >>>>> *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On >>>>> Behalf Of *Willy Hermann >>>>> *Sent:* Friday, August 19, 2011 9:18 PM >>>>> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>> *Subject:* [naktalk] 1000ZXL >>>>> >>>>> I fear someone just got burned on that eBay auction - paying over >>>>> $3,000 for a non working 1000ZXL. You could tell from the serial number >>>>> (starting with A117) that the machine was not a limited. The limited serial >>>>> number starts with A110. This looked like a 1000ZXL which someone had tried >>>>> to make look like a 1000ZXL Limited and had in the process managed to blow >>>>> it up in some way. A gold face plate does NOT a 1000ZXL Limited make! >>>>> >>>>> Willy >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>> Maintain your account here: >>>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>> Maintain your account here: >>>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Fergus >>>> >>>> New limited CD release from the Japanese underground here: >>>> http://anmailorder.wordpress.com/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: >>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tom Brucker >>> Hi Tech Service >>> 2934 Nolensville Pike >>> Nashville, TN USA >>> 37220 >>> hitech77 at earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> "Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of >> professionals built the Titanic." >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > > -- > Tom Brucker > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Pike > Nashville, TN USA > 37220 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ct.waveform at googlemail.com Sat Sep 17 03:59:15 2011 From: ct.waveform at googlemail.com (Christian Thomas) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 02:59:15 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL Limited face plate? In-Reply-To: References: <000601cc5dd9$c7a138e0$56e3aaa0$@math.utah.edu> Message-ID: See other thread, but ditto on this thread, starting with Tom B's reply. The other thread started with Fergus' message. This is what Gmail says" This message may not have been sent by: nakdoc77 at gmail.com " And it's in that bright yellow type. CT On 16 September 2011 23:54, Tom Brucker wrote: > I haven't heard who bought the eBay deck. I hope they did get Limited > insides. What a horror if 2 decks were switched at birth! In the old days > we could call Nak with a serial number and they'd tell us who the dealer > was. I caught a $30,000 robber who stole 3 decks in Florida and brought them > to Nashville. When he came in with his 1000II and asked for service, he put > the deck on the floor. I said to myself "this man did not pay for this > deck!", call Nak, and then the dealer. The guy was busted immediately. > > tom brucker > > > > > On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 2:05 PM, Victor Gabrenas wrote: > >> Anyone know the story on this item on ebay? >> >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260837112446&ssPageName=A >> DME:B:SS:US:1123 >> >> I might have the insides of this machine. >> >> >> Vic >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > > -- > Tom Brucker > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Pike > Nashville, TN USA > 37220 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Flavio. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dball1 at woh.rr.com Sat Sep 17 17:58:30 2011 From: dball1 at woh.rr.com (Dennis Ball) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 11:58:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL In-Reply-To: References: <003c01cc5f58$c8fa4f30$5aeeed90$@math.utah.edu> <1314195887.79686.YahooMailNeo@web130123.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1314198767.91705.YahooMailRC@web80202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Christian, it does the same with your messages. It's nothing to worry about. Since the messages are being forwarded by the NakTalk mailing list, the authentication part of the message that Google looks for is missing. Dennis On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 9:56 PM, Christian Thomas < ct.waveform at googlemail.com> wrote: > Hi Guys > > Don't know if it's important but I have Gmail flashing that the last 4 > posts, up to Tom B at 23.49 "May not have been sent by their senders." > Haven't ever seen this before - hacked thread or mail, perhaps. > > If someone is IT savvy it may be worth checking - or taking the convos > private. > > Christian > > > > On 16 September 2011 23:49, Tom Brucker wrote: > >> Thank you! I got a phone call from a Tennessee Nak collector about the >> LTD in london... >> >> tom brucker >> >> On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 1:34 AM, george valkov wrote: >> >>> I am on the case with the UK listing and will let you know what happens. >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 10:12 PM, Tom Brucker wrote: >>> >>>> Tom Mageras won a $7000 auction for a Ltd. that was supposed to be in >>>> Spain. He sent the money (check) and the deck never arrived. The $3,000 >>>> deck and spare parts is a different deck. Vic, I know you know of a ZXL that >>>> is a LTD inside..... >>>> >>>> Anyway, I am posting because Tom Mageras' 1000ZXL Ltd has appeared on >>>> London Craigslist! >>>> http://london.craigslist.co.uk/ele/2577499590.html >>>> Are any of our UK friends willing to try and get a real address for the >>>> seller? The photos and description are an exact match for the eBay >>>> scammer. One problem Tom is facing is he cannot identify which country the >>>> deck is actually in order to file a police report. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Fergus Cullen < >>>> fergus.cullen at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> How did you pay? If it was by Paypal you can get a full refund no >>>>> problem as it was not as described. >>>>> >>>>> Fergus >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 4:12 PM, LENA WONG wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> He can request a full refund including shipping cost from the >>>>>> seller if it is true that the item is not as described (which is obviously >>>>>> not in this case). >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> *From:* Ron >>>>>> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>>> *Sent:* Wed, August 24, 2011 9:24:47 AM >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL >>>>>> >>>>>> > Our friend Tom was taken on the Limited he won. It looked >>>>>> legitimate! >>>>>> >>>>>> I feel for Tom, but I seriously doubted it was legit. >>>>>> >>>>>> > Did anyone notice it was missing the Limited cassette well back >>>>>> plate? >>>>>> >>>>>> That was a clear giveaway, not to mention the obviously incorrect >>>>>> rear panel. I did miss the serial number, though. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- Ron >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> *From:* Victor Gabrenas >>>>>> *To:* 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' >>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 20, 2011 12:47 PM >>>>>> *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] 1000ZXL >>>>>> >>>>>> Our friend Tom was taken on the Limited he won. It looked >>>>>> legitimate! >>>>>> What a shame! >>>>>> >>>>>> Did anyone notice it was missing the Limited cassette well back plate? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Vic >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On >>>>>> Behalf Of *Willy Hermann >>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, August 19, 2011 9:18 PM >>>>>> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>>> *Subject:* [naktalk] 1000ZXL >>>>>> >>>>>> I fear someone just got burned on that eBay auction - paying over >>>>>> $3,000 for a non working 1000ZXL. You could tell from the serial number >>>>>> (starting with A117) that the machine was not a limited. The limited serial >>>>>> number starts with A110. This looked like a 1000ZXL which someone had tried >>>>>> to make look like a 1000ZXL Limited and had in the process managed to blow >>>>>> it up in some way. A gold face plate does NOT a 1000ZXL Limited make! >>>>>> >>>>>> Willy >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>>> >>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>> Maintain your account here: >>>>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>> >>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>>> >>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>> Maintain your account here: >>>>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>> >>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Fergus >>>>> >>>>> New limited CD release from the Japanese underground here: >>>>> http://anmailorder.wordpress.com/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>> Maintain your account here: >>>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tom Brucker >>>> Hi Tech Service >>>> 2934 Nolensville Pike >>>> Nashville, TN USA >>>> 37220 >>>> hitech77 at earthlink.net >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: >>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> "Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of >>> professionals built the Titanic." >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Tom Brucker >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Pike >> Nashville, TN USA >> 37220 >> hitech77 at earthlink.net >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ct.waveform at googlemail.com Sat Sep 17 21:39:04 2011 From: ct.waveform at googlemail.com (Christian Thomas) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 20:39:04 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL In-Reply-To: References: <003c01cc5f58$c8fa4f30$5aeeed90$@math.utah.edu> <1314195887.79686.YahooMailNeo@web130123.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1314198767.91705.YahooMailRC@web80202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Dennis That may be true, but this is the first time I have seen it. And it hasn't, for instance, done it on your mail, now. In any case, just a warning as the culprit appears to be a hacker and may even be a member of Naktalk. (Now, there's a thought. He knows enough or almost enough about them. Back threads on ZXLs perhaps?) Christian On 17 September 2011 16:58, Dennis Ball wrote: > Hi Christian, it does the same with your messages. It's nothing to worry > about. Since the messages are being forwarded by the NakTalk mailing list, > the authentication part of the message that Google looks for is missing. > > Dennis > > > On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 9:56 PM, Christian Thomas < > ct.waveform at googlemail.com> wrote: > >> Hi Guys >> >> Don't know if it's important but I have Gmail flashing that the last 4 >> posts, up to Tom B at 23.49 "May not have been sent by their senders." >> Haven't ever seen this before - hacked thread or mail, perhaps. >> >> If someone is IT savvy it may be worth checking - or taking the convos >> private. >> >> Christian >> >> >> >> On 16 September 2011 23:49, Tom Brucker wrote: >> >>> Thank you! I got a phone call from a Tennessee Nak collector about the >>> LTD in london... >>> >>> tom brucker >>> >>> On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 1:34 AM, george valkov wrote: >>> >>>> I am on the case with the UK listing and will let you know what happens. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 10:12 PM, Tom Brucker wrote: >>>> >>>>> Tom Mageras won a $7000 auction for a Ltd. that was supposed to be in >>>>> Spain. He sent the money (check) and the deck never arrived. The $3,000 >>>>> deck and spare parts is a different deck. Vic, I know you know of a ZXL that >>>>> is a LTD inside..... >>>>> >>>>> Anyway, I am posting because Tom Mageras' 1000ZXL Ltd has appeared on >>>>> London Craigslist! >>>>> http://london.craigslist.co.uk/ele/2577499590.html >>>>> Are any of our UK friends willing to try and get a real address for the >>>>> seller? The photos and description are an exact match for the eBay >>>>> scammer. One problem Tom is facing is he cannot identify which country the >>>>> deck is actually in order to file a police report. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Fergus Cullen < >>>>> fergus.cullen at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> How did you pay? If it was by Paypal you can get a full refund no >>>>>> problem as it was not as described. >>>>>> >>>>>> Fergus >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 4:12 PM, LENA WONG wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> He can request a full refund including shipping cost from the >>>>>>> seller if it is true that the item is not as described (which is obviously >>>>>>> not in this case). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> *From:* Ron >>>>>>> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>>>> *Sent:* Wed, August 24, 2011 9:24:47 AM >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > Our friend Tom was taken on the Limited he won. It looked >>>>>>> legitimate! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I feel for Tom, but I seriously doubted it was legit. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > Did anyone notice it was missing the Limited cassette well back >>>>>>> plate? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That was a clear giveaway, not to mention the obviously incorrect >>>>>>> rear panel. I did miss the serial number, though. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- Ron >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> *From:* Victor Gabrenas >>>>>>> *To:* 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' >>>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 20, 2011 12:47 PM >>>>>>> *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] 1000ZXL >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Our friend Tom was taken on the Limited he won. It looked >>>>>>> legitimate! >>>>>>> What a shame! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Did anyone notice it was missing the Limited cassette well back >>>>>>> plate? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Vic >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On >>>>>>> Behalf Of *Willy Hermann >>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, August 19, 2011 9:18 PM >>>>>>> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>>>> *Subject:* [naktalk] 1000ZXL >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I fear someone just got burned on that eBay auction - paying over >>>>>>> $3,000 for a non working 1000ZXL. You could tell from the serial number >>>>>>> (starting with A117) that the machine was not a limited. The limited serial >>>>>>> number starts with A110. This looked like a 1000ZXL which someone had tried >>>>>>> to make look like a 1000ZXL Limited and had in the process managed to blow >>>>>>> it up in some way. A gold face plate does NOT a 1000ZXL Limited make! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Willy >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>>> Maintain your account here: >>>>>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>>> Maintain your account here: >>>>>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Fergus >>>>>> >>>>>> New limited CD release from the Japanese underground here: >>>>>> http://anmailorder.wordpress.com/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>>> >>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>> Maintain your account here: >>>>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>> >>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Tom Brucker >>>>> Hi Tech Service >>>>> 2934 Nolensville Pike >>>>> Nashville, TN USA >>>>> 37220 >>>>> hitech77 at earthlink.net >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>> Maintain your account here: >>>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> "Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of >>>> professionals built the Titanic." >>>> >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: >>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tom Brucker >>> Hi Tech Service >>> 2934 Nolensville Pike >>> Nashville, TN USA >>> 37220 >>> hitech77 at earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dball1 at woh.rr.com Sun Sep 18 01:11:27 2011 From: dball1 at woh.rr.com (Dennis Ball) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 19:11:27 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL In-Reply-To: References: <003c01cc5f58$c8fa4f30$5aeeed90$@math.utah.edu> <1314195887.79686.YahooMailNeo@web130123.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1314198767.91705.YahooMailRC@web80202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Christian It doesn't do it on my account because I'm not using a Google gmail based email account. It's most likely something new for Google and will show up on all emails from list members using gmail. I've noticed them from you, Christian Thomas, (ct.waveform at googlemail.com), Flavio Belato, (jmrecchia at gmail.com), Tom Brucker, (nakdoc77 at gmail.com), etc. Dennis On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 3:39 PM, Christian Thomas < ct.waveform at googlemail.com> wrote: > > Hi Dennis > That may be true, but this is the first time I have seen it. And it hasn't, for instance, done it on your mail, now. > In any case, just a warning as the culprit appears to be a hacker and may even be a member of Naktalk. (Now, there's a thought. He knows enough or almost enough about them. Back threads on ZXLs perhaps?) > Christian > > On 17 September 2011 16:58, Dennis Ball wrote: >> >> Hi Christian, it does the same with your messages. It's nothing to worry about. Since the messages are being forwarded by the NakTalk mailing list, the authentication part of the message that Google looks for is missing. >> Dennis >> >> On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 9:56 PM, Christian Thomas < ct.waveform at googlemail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Guys >>> Don't know if it's important but I have Gmail flashing that the last 4 posts, up to Tom B at 23.49 "May not have been sent by their senders." Haven't ever seen this before - hacked thread or mail, perhaps. >>> If someone is IT savvy it may be worth checking - or taking the convos private. >>> Christian >>> >>> >>> On 16 September 2011 23:49, Tom Brucker wrote: >>>> >>>> Thank you! I got a phone call from a Tennessee Nak collector about the LTD in london... >>>> >>>> tom brucker >>>> >>>> On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 1:34 AM, george valkov wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I am on the case with the UK listing and will let you know what happens. >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 10:12 PM, Tom Brucker wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Tom Mageras won a $7000 auction for a Ltd. that was supposed to be in Spain. He sent the money (check) and the deck never arrived. The $3,000 deck and spare parts is a different deck. Vic, I know you know of a ZXL that is a LTD inside..... >>>>>> >>>>>> Anyway, I am posting because Tom Mageras' 1000ZXL Ltd has appeared on London Craigslist! >>>>>> http://london.craigslist.co.uk/ele/2577499590.html >>>>>> Are any of our UK friends willing to try and get a real address for the seller? The photos and description are an exact match for the eBay scammer. One problem Tom is facing is he cannot identify which country the deck is actually in order to file a police report. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Fergus Cullen < fergus.cullen at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How did you pay? If it was by Paypal you can get a full refund no problem as it was not as described. >>>>>>> Fergus >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 4:12 PM, LENA WONG wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> He can request a full refund including shipping cost from the seller if it is true that the item is not as described (which is obviously not in this case). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ________________________________ >>>>>>>> From: Ron >>>>>>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>>>>> Sent: Wed, August 24, 2011 9:24:47 AM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > Our friend Tom was taken on the Limited he won. It looked legitimate! >>>>>>>> I feel for Tom, but I seriously doubted it was legit. >>>>>>>> > Did anyone notice it was missing the Limited cassette well back plate? >>>>>>>> That was a clear giveaway, not to mention the obviously incorrect >>>>>>>> rear panel. I did miss the serial number, though. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- Ron >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ________________________________ >>>>>>>> From: Victor Gabrenas >>>>>>>> To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' >>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 12:47 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: RE: [naktalk] 1000ZXL >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Our friend Tom was taken on the Limited he won. It looked legitimate! >>>>>>>> What a shame! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Did anyone notice it was missing the Limited cassette well back plate? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Vic >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Willy Hermann >>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 9:18 PM >>>>>>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>>>>> Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I fear someone just got burned on that eBay auction - paying over $3,000 for a non working 1000ZXL. You could tell from the serial number (starting with A117) that the machine was not a limited. The limited serial number starts with A110. This looked like a 1000ZXL which someone had tried to make look like a 1000ZXL Limited and had in the process managed to blow it up in some way. A gold face plate does NOT a 1000ZXL Limited make! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Willy >>>>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Fergus >>>>>>> New limited CD release from the Japanese underground here: >>>>>>> http://anmailorder.wordpress.com/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Tom Brucker >>>>>> Hi Tech Service >>>>>> 2934 Nolensville Pike >>>>>> Nashville, TN USA >>>>>> 37220 >>>>>> hitech77 at earthlink.net >>>>>> >>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> "Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic." >>>>> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tom Brucker >>>> Hi Tech Service >>>> 2934 Nolensville Pike >>>> Nashville, TN USA >>>> 37220 >>>> hitech77 at earthlink.net >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Sun Sep 18 12:38:04 2011 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta Regert) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 12:38:04 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Decks for sale ! Message-ID: <0D81E471-FA5A-4A0A-81FA-6E173335163F@peromarta.org> Dear Nakkers, My stable has grown a little too much. With great regret I have to let go some machines. Both 3 headed, both are great decks and very popular. Both are european 220V units. ZX7: Excellent cosmetic condition. Perfect mechanical / electronic condition, to factory specs. All rubbers new, including belts, pinch rollers, tape guides, etc. Will be professionally packed. http://naks.com/products/nakamichi_zx7.html BX-300: Good cosmetic condition. Some scratches on front, have been covered so you can't tell from 1 meter distance.. Perfect mechanical electronic condition, to factory specs. Will calibrate to whatever tape (if I have it, or TDK D/SA/MA) before leaving. All rubbers new, including belts, pinch rollers, tape guides, etc. Original box. http://naks.com/products/nakamichi_bx300.html The complete service only is worth 350€ on the ZX7, 250€ on the BX-300. Please make your serious offer accordingly. Will send pictures to anyone who's interested. No time wasters, please. Any questions, please feel free to ask. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ct.waveform at googlemail.com Sun Sep 18 04:11:26 2011 From: ct.waveform at googlemail.com (Christian Thomas) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 03:11:26 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL In-Reply-To: References: <003c01cc5f58$c8fa4f30$5aeeed90$@math.utah.edu> <1314195887.79686.YahooMailNeo@web130123.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1314198767.91705.YahooMailRC@web80202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: It probably is something new. One never knows what Gmail is going to look like from week to week. Still, the other points may be worth noting. C On 18 September 2011 00:11, Dennis Ball wrote: > Hi Christian > > It doesn't do it on my account because I'm not using a Google gmail based > email account. It's most likely something new for Google and will show up > on all emails from list members using gmail. > > I've noticed them from you, Christian Thomas, (ct.waveform at googlemail.com), Flavio > Belato, (jmrecchia at gmail.com), Tom Brucker, (nakdoc77 at gmail.com), etc. > > Dennis > > > On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 3:39 PM, Christian Thomas < > ct.waveform at googlemail.com> wrote: > > > > Hi Dennis > > That may be true, but this is the first time I have seen it. And it > hasn't, for instance, done it on your mail, now. > > In any case, just a warning as the culprit appears to be a hacker and may > even be a member of Naktalk. (Now, there's a thought. He knows enough or > almost enough about them. Back threads on ZXLs perhaps?) > > Christian > > > > On 17 September 2011 16:58, Dennis Ball wrote: > >> > >> Hi Christian, it does the same with your messages. It's nothing to > worry about. Since the messages are being forwarded by the NakTalk mailing > list, the authentication part of the message that Google looks for is > missing. > >> Dennis > >> > >> On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 9:56 PM, Christian Thomas < > ct.waveform at googlemail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi Guys > >>> Don't know if it's important but I have Gmail flashing that the last 4 > posts, up to Tom B at 23.49 "May not have been sent by their senders." > Haven't ever seen this before - hacked thread or mail, perhaps. > >>> If someone is IT savvy it may be worth checking - or taking the convos > private. > >>> Christian > >>> > >>> > >>> On 16 September 2011 23:49, Tom Brucker wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Thank you! I got a phone call from a Tennessee Nak collector about > the LTD in london... > >>>> > >>>> tom brucker > >>>> > >>>> On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 1:34 AM, george valkov < > george.valkov at gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> I am on the case with the UK listing and will let you know what > happens. > >>>>> > >>>>> On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 10:12 PM, Tom Brucker > wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Tom Mageras won a $7000 auction for a Ltd. that was supposed to be > in Spain. He sent the money (check) and the deck never arrived. The $3,000 > deck and spare parts is a different deck. Vic, I know you know of a ZXL that > is a LTD inside..... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Anyway, I am posting because Tom Mageras' 1000ZXL Ltd has appeared > on London Craigslist! > >>>>>> http://london.craigslist.co.uk/ele/2577499590.html > >>>>>> Are any of our UK friends willing to try and get a real address for > the seller? The photos and description are an exact match for the eBay > scammer. One problem Tom is facing is he cannot identify which country the > deck is actually in order to file a police report. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Fergus Cullen < > fergus.cullen at gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> How did you pay? If it was by Paypal you can get a full refund no > problem as it was not as described. > >>>>>>> Fergus > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 4:12 PM, LENA WONG > wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> He can request a full refund including shipping cost from the > seller if it is true that the item is not as described (which is obviously > not in this case). > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> ________________________________ > >>>>>>>> From: Ron > >>>>>>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >>>>>>>> Sent: Wed, August 24, 2011 9:24:47 AM > >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Our friend Tom was taken on the Limited he won. It looked > legitimate! > >>>>>>>> I feel for Tom, but I seriously doubted it was legit. > >>>>>>>> > Did anyone notice it was missing the Limited cassette well back > plate? > >>>>>>>> That was a clear giveaway, not to mention the obviously incorrect > >>>>>>>> rear panel. I did miss the serial number, though. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> -- Ron > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> ________________________________ > >>>>>>>> From: Victor Gabrenas > >>>>>>>> To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > >>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 12:47 PM > >>>>>>>> Subject: RE: [naktalk] 1000ZXL > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Our friend Tom was taken on the Limited he won. It looked > legitimate! > >>>>>>>> What a shame! > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Did anyone notice it was missing the Limited cassette well back > plate? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Vic > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] > On Behalf Of Willy Hermann > >>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 9:18 PM > >>>>>>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >>>>>>>> Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I fear someone just got burned on that eBay auction - paying over > $3,000 for a non working 1000ZXL. You could tell from the serial number > (starting with A117) that the machine was not a limited. The limited serial > number starts with A110. This looked like a 1000ZXL which someone had tried > to make look like a 1000ZXL Limited and had in the process managed to blow > it up in some way. A gold face plate does NOT a 1000ZXL Limited make! > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Willy > >>>>>>>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>>>>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > >>>>>>>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>>>>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>>>>>>> Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>>>>>>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>>>>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > >>>>>>>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>>>>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>>>>>>> Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>>>>>>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> Fergus > >>>>>>> New limited CD release from the Japanese underground here: > >>>>>>> http://anmailorder.wordpress.com/ > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>>>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > >>>>>>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>>>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>>>>>> Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>>>>>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> Tom Brucker > >>>>>> Hi Tech Service > >>>>>> 2934 Nolensville Pike > >>>>>> Nashville, TN USA > >>>>>> 37220 > >>>>>> hitech77 at earthlink.net > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > >>>>>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>>>>> Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>>>>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> "Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of > professionals built the Titanic." > >>>>> > >>>>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > >>>>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>>>> Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>>>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Tom Brucker > >>>> Hi Tech Service > >>>> 2934 Nolensville Pike > >>>> Nashville, TN USA > >>>> 37220 > >>>> hitech77 at earthlink.net > >>>> > >>>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > >>>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>>> Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>> > >>> > >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>> Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > >> > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://www.naks.com/wiki > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkrause at multiplan.com.br Mon Sep 19 02:17:33 2011 From: rkrause at multiplan.com.br (Rodrigo Krause) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 21:17:33 -0300 Subject: Res: [naktalk] Decks for sale ! In-Reply-To: <0D81E471-FA5A-4A0A-81FA-6E173335163F@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <382EB200D8357149B166678763023AC40338E37D@SMTZEX01.mti.com.br> Hi Luis, I am interested in the ZX7. How can we talk more specifically? My email is rkrause at multiplan.com.br. Regards, Rodrigo ________________________________ De: naktalk-bounces at naks.com Para: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Enviada em: Sun Sep 18 07:38:04 2011 Assunto: [naktalk] Decks for sale ! Dear Nakkers, My stable has grown a little too much. With great regret I have to let go some machines. Both 3 headed, both are great decks and very popular. Both are european 220V units. ZX7: Excellent cosmetic condition. Perfect mechanical / electronic condition, to factory specs. All rubbers new, including belts, pinch rollers, tape guides, etc. Will be professionally packed. http://naks.com/products/nakamichi_zx7.html BX-300: Good cosmetic condition. Some scratches on front, have been covered so you can't tell from 1 meter distance.. Perfect mechanical electronic condition, to factory specs. Will calibrate to whatever tape (if I have it, or TDK D/SA/MA) before leaving. All rubbers new, including belts, pinch rollers, tape guides, etc. Original box. http://naks.com/products/nakamichi_bx300.html The complete service only is worth 350€ on the ZX7, 250€ on the BX-300. Please make your serious offer accordingly. Will send pictures to anyone who's interested. No time wasters, please. Any questions, please feel free to ask. Esta mensagem, incluindo seus anexos, pode conter informacoes privilegiadas e/ou de carater confidencial, nao podendo ser retransmitida sem autorizacao do remetente. Portanto, se voce recebeu esta mensagem por engano, por favor, nos informe respondendo imediatamente a este e-mail e em seguida apague-a. A empresa MULTIPLAN nao se responsabiliza por conclusoes, opinioes, ou outras informacoes nesta mensagem que nao se relacionem com sua linha de negocios. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From avss01 at gmail.com Mon Sep 19 03:42:24 2011 From: avss01 at gmail.com (avss01) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 11:42:24 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Pinch Roller Curvature Message-ID: Hi all Just thought I would relay my findings into the pinch roller question. I have just looked at four original pinch rollers that I removed from 2 680ZXs that I have just fully refurbished. Each does indeed have a very noticeable curvature or raised profile in the center. Simply holding them on a mirror surface and looking with a magnifying glass with a light source behind shows this very clearly. I also looked at two 'new' generic rollers that I purchased from 'Revox De' eBay seller in Germany. They are as flat as a tack...no curvature whatsoever. I have never noticed this before or was even aware of this curvature until the topic was raised here on Naktalk. I am a little sorry that I changed these rollers, but at the same time I can say that I have noticed no ill effects in my 482, 670ZX or two 680XZs that I have replaced the rollers in...I can always put the originals back in after a re-condition. The two new rollers I have are earmarked for my ZX-9, but I think I will now reconsider if it is really necessary. This is obviously done for a very precise reason, probably to combat against tape skew etc. I guess the lesson here for classic transports is to keep the originals if you can but that at a pinch (pun intended) you can get away with flat ones if you really have to. Regards David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: